The battle for Krasnoyarsk and Irkutsk. How the "allies" surrendered Kolchak

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The battle for Krasnoyarsk and Irkutsk. How the "allies" surrendered Kolchak

Last photo of Kolchak

Smoot. 1919 year. 100 years ago, on December 18, 1919, the Krasnoyarsk operation of the Red Army began. December 20, Soviet troops liberated Tomsk, January 7, 1920 - Krasnoyarsk. The People's Revolutionary Army of the Political Center captured Irkutsk. January 5, 1920 Kolchak resigned as the "supreme ruler."

Disaster development


On December 11, 1919, under pressure from the Pepeliaev brothers (the commander of the 1st Army Anatoly Pepelyaev and the head of the Siberian government Viktor Pepeliaev), Kolchak was ousted by Commander-in-Chief General Sakharov. The new commander-in-chief was appointed General Kappel, who hoped to stop the enemy at the turn of the Yenisei, and get help from the Transbaikal troops of Ataman Semenov. Kolchak appointed Semenov as commander of the troops of the Far East and the Irkutsk district, ordered the Cossacks to restore order in Irkutsk, where the Socialist Revolutionaries were preparing an uprising. The admiral himself hurried to the new capital - Irkutsk.



The rear was seething, believing that the war was lost. The Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, other democrats got out of the underground, meetings were held everywhere, and "the transfer of power into the hands of the people" was announced. The slogan “Down with the war!” Gained popularity again. The rear units and garrisons quickly became victims of all kinds of propagandists. In Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk and Vladivostok, Kolchak’s power collapsed. The Czechs, taking care only of themselves and their looted good, again supported the socialists. Foreigners, “allies,” merged Kolchak, and hurriedly tried to escape east on the best trains. And the English general Knox, with a large staff of officers, and the head of the French mission, Jeanin, the Americans, and other foreigners, commissars under the Siberian government, railway and other commissions, all rushed to the Pacific Ocean.

The catastrophe was deepening. On December 14, 1919, units of the 27th Soviet division liberated Novonikolaevsk (Novosibirsk). By mid-December, Soviet troops entered the Ob River line. Partisans entered Semipalatinsk on December 3 to the south of the railway, on December 10 they liberated Barnaul, on the 13th - Biysk, on the 15th - Ust-Kamenogorsk. The resistance of the White Guards along the Trans-Siberian Railway was virtually paralyzed.

The retreating Kolchakites fell into the zone of action of the zone of action of the partisans. Already in the fall, detachments of Siberian partisans began to merge into entire “armies” - Kravchenko, Zverev, Shchetinkin, Mamontov, Rogov, Kalandarishvili. The "armies" of the rebels usually numbered several hundred or thousands of people, but they represented real strength, since during major operations all local peasants joined them. For the time being they were kept in the depths of the Siberian taiga. But the Kolchak regime collapsed. Kolchak units fell apart, were demoralized. The Czechs ceased to guard the Siberian Railway and only sought to escape with the looted goods. As a result, the partisans began to go out onto the railroad and attack the defenseless cities. It was one of the terrible episodes of the Russian Troubles - the peasant war, the war of peasants against any power and state, the war of the village and the city. In this situation, the arrival of the Red Army was a real salvation for the cities that became the prey of the rebels.

The Soviet command used the broad partisan movement of Siberia to their advantage. In December 1919, joint operations of regular units of the Red Army and partisans began in the main direction of the offensive. The partisan "army" Kravchenko-Shchetinkina, located in the Minusinsk-Achinsk-Krasnoyarsk region, numbered up to 15 thousand soldiers and consisted of 5 regiments. By order of the Soviet command, partisans from Altai began to be transferred to the area of ​​the Siberian Railway. Also partisans of Western Siberia began to be credited to the reserve regiments of the Red Army. Persons over 35 years old were exempted from service.

The liberation of Tomsk


From Novonikolaevsk, units of the Red Army launched an offensive on Tomsk and Mariinsk. The 30th and 27th rifle divisions advanced at the forefront. In Tomsk there were quite a few different white troops, the main forces of the 1st Army Pepelyaev. However, it was not possible to organize the defense of the city. The troops had already completely decomposed, were losing control and did not even want to go east. Pepelyaev, seeing this situation, fled from Tomsk (although before that he accused General Sakharov of surrendering Omsk). Then he suffered typhus, and in the spring of 1920 the general fled to China. On the evening of December 20, 1919, the 2nd brigade of the 30th division entered the city, not meeting resistance anywhere. Kolchak units left in Tomsk piled up weapon. At this time, the Red Command even preferred not to mess with the many captive Kolchakites and white refugees, they were simply disarmed and sent home.

At the same time, other regiments of the 30th division and units of the 27th division reached the Taiga junction station. Here, the Red Army first caught up with the rear guard of the intervention troops - the 5th division of Polish legionnaires. The Poles covered the evacuation by rail. The Soviet 27th division, supported by partisans, dealt a powerful blow to the enemy on December 23. At the same time, workstations revolted. Soviet troops virtually completely destroyed 4 thousand. enemy regiment, which was supported by two armored trains and artillery. Both armored trains and more than 20 guns were captured. Two other Polish regiments of 8 thousand people were defeated at Anzhero-Sudzhensk and laid down their arms.

So the Czechs did not want to fight, the main obstacle to the rapid advance of the Reds to the east was only the distance, the tiredness of the troops from constant movement, winter, snow drifts on roads, bridges blown up by Kolchak’s, other railway structures, poor condition of roads clogged by damaged locomotives, burned wagons and abandoned trains. In addition, crowds of refugees and released prisoners, who independently sought salvation, were killed by the masses from cold, hunger and typhoid. Sometimes the Kappel people wandered through the snow, periodically reminding themselves of the red avant-gardes.

Battle of Krasnoyarsk


South of the railway, where parts of the 35th division were advancing, Kuznetsk was occupied on December 26. On December 28, 1919, Soviet troops, with the support of partisans, liberated Mariinsk, and on January 2, 1920, Achinsk. Here there was a connection of parts of the Red Army with the partisans Kravchenko and Schetinkin.

The Red Army was to take the last major enemy stronghold in Siberia - Krasnoyarsk. Here was located the 1st Siberian Corps under the command of General Zinevich. The city had large stockpiles of weapons, ammunition and equipment. This was the last large base of the Kolchak army. The remnants of broken white parts retreated here. The White Command hoped to detain the Reds in the Krasnoyarsk region, retain Eastern Siberia, and restore the army for a new campaign in the spring of 1920. But nothing came of it.

The garrison commander General Zinevich, having waited when five letter trains of Kolchak traveled east, beyond Krasnoyarsk, broke away from the army, raised a rebellion. On December 23, he transferred civilian power to the "Committee for Public Security", which shared the political platform of the Irkutsk Political Center (SRs). Zinevich began telegraphic armistice negotiations with the Reds and demanded the same from the retreating white troops under the command of Kappel. Thus, Kolchak was cut off from his troops, without protection among a hostile environment. It is possible that the Socialist-Revolutionaries, Czechs, and Western "allies" specifically carried out this operation to put Kolchak in a hopeless situation.

And the army under the command of Kappel was put on the brink of complete destruction, finding himself between two fires, losing the last base and supply line. Kolchakites tried to tighten negotiations with Zinevich, at which time they were in a hurry to Krasnoyarsk. Parts moved in accelerated marches through dense forests, deep snows, making unprecedented stories hike, losing daily horseback, part of the convoy and artillery. It was especially difficult for the troops of the 3rd Army, which was moving south of the railway, where there were almost no roads, in the high terrain covered with taiga. From defense and rear-guard battles in order to delay the Red Army had to be completely abandoned. It was necessary to quickly go to Krasnoyarsk, while it is still possible to break through. The enemy forces in Krasnoyarsk were constantly intensifying. Down the Yenisei from Minusinsk was the partisan army of Shchetinkin.

While Zinevich was negotiating with the Reds about surrender, planning to maintain the power of the Zemstvo government (Social Revolutionaries) in the city, the local organization of the Bolsheviks prepared their uprising. January 4, 1920 in Krasnoyarsk the uprising of the Bolsheviks began. He was supported by the Yenisei partisans. The workers' detachments, soldiers and partisans who came over to their side, prepared the city for defense. On January 5, the advanced units of the Kappel army tried to recapture the city, but their weak attacks were repelled. After this, Kappel and Wojciechowski decided to break through bypassing Krasnoyarsk to the east, they decided not to take the city, since the enemy received strong reinforcements. There was a threat that if the assault fails or drags out, the Red Army will come up and Kolchak’s will be between a rock and a hard place. It was decided to bypass the city from the north.

January 6 Kolchak went on a breakthrough. But at this time, Soviet troops overtook the remnants of the 2nd and 3rd white armies. Guards of partisans from the “army” of Schetinkin came to the aid of the Soviet troops. Kolchakites were surrounded. An army of sled carts swept through. Either they tried to return to the west, then again they turned east, or they went south and north. There was no right battle. Fights took place here and there, both sides both defended and attacked. Some White Guard units surrendered, others fought fiercely. A haphazard, chaotic battle in the space of dozens of miles lasted all day. By night, White’s resistance was broken. On the night of January 6-7, units of the 30th Infantry Division entered Krasnoyarsk. In fact, the Kolchak army ceased to exist. In the area of ​​Krasnoyarsk, about 60 thousand Kolchakites were wounded, wounded or captured. According to other sources, about 20 thousand people. It is possible that a large figure includes all refugees, rear officers, officials, civilians, etc. The White Guards lost all the carts and artillery.

With Kappel, up to 12 thousand people made their way to the east bank of the Yenisei. The remaining white troops continued their campaign in Transbaikalia. Part of the troops, with Kappel and Wojciechowski, went north along the Yenisei, then moved along the Kan River to Kansk to get off onto the railway again. It was an extremely difficult route, with almost no villages, that is, housing supplies. At the mouth of the Kan River, the detachment of General Perkhurov separated from the general column (after his captivity, General Sukin led the people), who moved further along the Yenisei to its confluence with the Angara, then along the Angara to the mouth of the Ilim River, then along Ilim to the village of Ilimsk and Ust-Kut (in March 1920, the remnants of the detachment reached Chita). Another group, which was soon led by General Sakharov, continued to move along the Siberian Highway and the railway, catching up with previously departed units and detachments.


The Great Siberian Ice Campaign (from Krasnoyarsk). Map source: http://irkipedia.ru/

Rise of the Political Center


While the Red Army completed the rout of the White Guards, major events took place in the Baikal region that accelerated the fall of the Kolchak regime. In the second half of December 1919, uprisings of workers and soldiers began in the cities of Eastern Siberia. December 17, Kirensk revolted. On December 21, soldiers and workers of Cheremkhov revolted. The Czechs did not intervene. Cheremkhovsky railway battalion joined the rebels. At the same time, the power of the Socialist Revolutionary Political Center was established in Nizhneudinsk and Balagansk.

The political center, headed by Fedorovich, Akhmatov and Kosminsky, tried to use the fall of the Kolchak government to establish its power in Siberia and the Far East, and create a “democratic government”. The Czechs and the Entente supported this idea, hoping with the help of the Socialist Revolutionaries to create a new puppet regime and maintain control over Siberia and the Far East. Many of the rear garrison soldiers who followed the slogan of turning the war against the Reds, officers and even commanders of formations (like General Zinevich in Krasnoyarsk) followed the Socialist Revolutionaries. Especially strong were the Social Revolutionaries in Irkutsk. A significant part of the officers of the Irkutsk garrison supported the Social Revolutionaries. Using this, the Social Revolutionaries prepared an uprising. The rebels were led by Captain Nikolai Kalashnikov.

On the eve of the speech, counterintelligence of the headquarters of the Irkutsk military district was able to arrest the revolutionary Socialist Revolutionary Committee, only a few people disappeared. But the uprising could not be prevented. On December 24, by order of the Political Center, Kalashnikov and Merkhalev led a speech in Glazkov of the 53rd Siberian Rifle Regiment. At the same time, the Irkutsk brigade revolted. With the transfer to the rebels of the local brigade, in their hands were the important military depots of Batareynaya station, which she guarded. Workers' squads were created in Glazkov and in the Znamensky suburb of Irkutsk. The rebels formed the People's Revolutionary Army, led by Kalashnikov.

However, the rebels could not immediately capture the entire city. The planned transfer of a number of units in the city center to the side of the rebels was paralyzed due to the arrests of the leaders of the Political Center. The units remaining loyal to Kolchak (the most sturdy were the junkers and cadets) were separated from the rebels by the still not frozen Angara. The pontoon bridge was torn down by an ice drift, and the steamers were controlled by the interventionists. Major General Sychev, the head of the Irkutsk garrison, planned to attack the rebels, but General Zhanen, the commander of the interventionists, forbade him. He declared the strip where the rebels were neutral. Czech troops did not intervene.

Ataman Semenov, whom Kolchak appointed commander of the Trans-Baikal, Amur and Irkutsk military districts, and promoted to lieutenant general, only now, after the uprising in Irkutsk, he sensed a threat to himself. He sent to Irkutsk a small detachment led by Major General Skipetrov (about 1 thousand people). Semenovtsy arrived by rail to Irkutsk on December 30. They were supported by three armored trains. However, white armored trains didn’t get to the Irkutsk station, as the railroad workers launched a steam locomotive towards the main armored train, damaging it and the way. Then White launched an attack on Glazkov. But their attack was stopped by the Czechs. They demanded the withdrawal of troops to the Baikal station, threatening to use armed force otherwise. The Czech Orlik armored train was more powerful in armament than the three armored trains of the Semenovites combined. Having no connection with the city, due to the small number and low combat effectiveness of his detachment, preparedness of the enemy’s defense, large forces of workers and peasants' squads and partisans, Skipetrov retreated.

Then, Czech troops, with the support of the Americans, destroyed the Semyonov armored train, defeated and captured the Semenovites at Baikal station and other points. Thus, the interventionists unblocked the section of the Siberian railway, which was controlled by the chieftain.

Meanwhile, the Kolchak units remaining to Irkutsk under pressure from the interventionists were completely disorganized. General Sychev with a group of officers fled for Lake Baikal. On January 4, 1920, in the center of Irkutsk, a military-revolutionary organization of the Political Center revolted, the remaining white units and local Irkutsk Cossacks moved to its side. The Irkutsk junkers held on for some time, then laid down their arms. The Kolchakov government in Irkutsk was arrested. By January 5, all of Irkutsk was under the control of the Political Center. Formed by the Political Center, the Provisional Council of the Siberian People’s Administration declared itself a power in the territory "cleared of the power of reaction" from Irkutsk to Krasnoyarsk. The Provisional Council was declared the supreme body of state and legislative power in Siberia, and the Political Center - the executive body of the Provisional Council.

"Nizhdeuda seat" Kolchak


Preparation for the transfer of power to the Socialist Revolutionaries and its seizure was made with the consent of the interventionists, whose headquarters were at that time in Irkutsk. The Entente, making sure that the Kolchak regime was fully used, again tried to bet on the Social Revolutionaries in order to help them maintain their presence in eastern Russia. True, the Japanese at first had a different position than the Americans, British and French. The Japanese, in order to preserve their protege Ataman Semenov, to whom the "supreme ruler" transferred great powers, tried to help the admiral. But under pressure from Janen and Graves (American general, US representative in the Far East and Siberia), the Japanese soon lost.

To strengthen the power of the Political Center, to give the Socialist-Revolutionaries to take power in Irkutsk and other Siberian cities, the interventionists blocked Kolchak. December 27, 1919 Kolchak reached Nizhneudinsk. Zhanen from Irkutsk ordered not to let the Kolchak train and the gold train “in the form of their safety” go further. The Czechs blocked the convoy of the “supreme ruler, unhooked and stole the locomotives. The protests did not lead to anything. Kolchak ordered Kappel to go to the rescue. The white commander could not fulfill this order, his units were too far from Nizhneudinsk, breaking through the dense forests, deep snow and fighting off the reds.

For Kolchak, the "Nizhneudinsky sitting" began. The station was declared "neutral." The Czechs acted as guarantors of the admiral's security. Therefore, the rebels did not meddle here. Companions invited Kolchak to run to the border of Mongolia. An old highway of 250 miles long led from Nizhneudinsk there. Part of the gold could be loaded onto carts. There was a convoy for the guard - more than 500 fighters. However, Kolchak missed this chance. Gathering a soldier, he said that he was not going to Irkutsk, but was temporarily staying in Nizhneudinsk. The admiral offered to stay with him to all those who are ready to share his fate and believe in him, giving the rest freedom of action. By morning, almost everyone had left. The "supreme ruler" remained completely defenseless. The Czechs immediately took the gold train under their "protection". Communication was also in their hands, and Kolchak was completely divorced from the events.

While Kolchak was sitting in Nizhneudinsk, negotiations were held in Irkutsk with his ministers, the "emergency troika" Minister of War, General Khanzhin, Minister of Railways Larionov and Acting Head of Government, Interior Minister Cherven-Vodali, with representatives of the Political Center. Negotiations were conducted on the train of General Janin, on his initiative and under his chairmanship. That is, the West "led" Kolchak to the very last moment, first used, and then surrendered. At first, the Kolchak “troika” resisted the conspiracy, but under pressure from the “allies” it was forced to recognize the Political Center and accept the conditions put forward by it.

For Kolchak, the interventionists demanded the abdication of the supreme power (he no longer had real power, but a legal act was required), guaranteeing in this case a safe trip abroad. It was a hoax. The issue of extradition has already been resolved. With the help of Kolchak, Janin decided to solve the problem of the safe evacuation of foreign missions and troops to the east, plus supplying their trains with coal. The Entente also needed his extradition to establish "friendship" with the new Siberian "democratic" government. The political center needed Kolchak to legally strengthen its power and to bargain with the Bolsheviks.

On January 3, 1920, in Nizhneudinsk, Kolchak received a telegram from the Council of Ministers with the signatures of Cherven-Vodali, Khanzhin and Larionov demanding the renunciation of power and its transfer to Denikin, as the new Supreme Ruler. On January 5, 1920, the troops of the Political Center established full control over Irkutsk. General Hanzhin was arrested. Kolchak's position was hopeless. Partisans and Reds advanced in the West, rebels in Nizhneudinsk, and Political Center in Irkutsk. On January 5, the admiral signed the abdication of power, passing it to Denikin, who was appointed deputy supreme commander in summer. In the Russian East, all military and civil power was transferred to Semenov.

After that, a wagon with Kolchak and a gold train, guarded by the Czechs, were allowed to Irkutsk. On January 10, the train left Nizhneudinsk. At the station Cheremkhovo local revkom and workers demanded to transfer the admiral and gold to them. The Czechs managed to agree, the representatives of the labor squad were included in the guard. On January 15, the train arrived in Irkutsk. They put up additional security. "Allies" have already fled from Irkutsk. In the evening, the Czechs announced to the admiral that they were giving it to the local authorities. Kolchak and his Prime Minister Pepelyaev were imprisoned.

The Japanese did not know about this, they believed that Kolchak would be taken east. Upon learning of the admiral's betrayal, they protested and demanded the release of Kolchak. The fact is that the Japanese are a warrior nation, such dark affairs are not in their style. And the nations of Western democracies - England, France and the United States, are traders, they are always happy about a bargain, agreement. Therefore, the Japanese voice remained lonely, no one supported them. The Japanese command had only a few companies in Irkutsk, and therefore could not confirm its opinion by force. As a result, the Japanese left the city.


Decree of the Supreme Ruler Admiral Kolchak of January 4, 1920
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  1. +1
    18 December 2019 06: 51
    If you publish documents, do not write a gag at the end (((((((The fact that the Japanese are a warrior nation, such dark affairs are not in their style. And the nations of Western democracies - England, France and the USA, are traders, they are always happy for a bargain, agreement (((((. I was pleased with the conclusion.
    1. +3
      18 December 2019 16: 58
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      The fact is that the Japanese are a warrior nation, such dark affairs are not in their style.

      And what is their style, to quietly replace the sword of a dangerous rival with a piece of wood, and therefore it is easy to kill him in a duel, and most importantly to sing this "feat"
  2. -3
    18 December 2019 07: 23
    The West has always hated Russia and betrayed it.
    This happened this time too ...
    1. +5
      18 December 2019 07: 32
      Olgovich (Andrey)
      The West has always hated Russia and betrayed it.
      This happened this time too ...
      You tell your bloody tsar to a lousy one.
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            1. +2
              18 December 2019 11: 23
              Olgovich (Andrey)
              The world around you that is incomprehensible to you is from ignorance of Russian History and the depressingly slow process of modeling the laws of the world around us on the basis of axiomatic provisions.
              Well, I thought that I could not wait for a clear answer! Spinning around in a frying pan is all yours.
              FACTS you can’t get anywhere: it hurts! yes
              Here you are with your "facts" and stand all the time in a raskoryachka, as the last one, God forgive me!
              1. -3
                18 December 2019 11: 28
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                Well, I thought that I could not wait for a clear answer! Spinning around in a frying pan is all yours.

                Clearly Ask, did not try?

                does it hurt from the FACTS?
                This is a consequence of the slow process of modeling the laws of the world on the basis of axiomatic provisions and there is nothing to be done .....hi
                1. +3
                  18 December 2019 11: 30
                  Olgovich (Andrey)
                  Clearly ask, did not try?
                  I repeat for those who do not get off the armored train. HOW can one simultaneously love the tsar’s nonsense and the white generals who overthrew him? What is not clear in the question?
                  1. -4
                    18 December 2019 11: 34
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    I repeat for those who do not get off the armored train. HOW can one simultaneously love the tsar’s nonsense and the white generals who overthrew him? What is not clear in the question?


                    We read Stalin in the "Short Course on the History of the VKPBEE": there EVERYTHING is clearly indicated.

                    or too complicated a document for you?
                    1. +1
                      18 December 2019 11: 43
                      Olgovich (Andrey)
                      We read Stalin in the "Short Course on the History of the VKPBEE": there EVERYTHING is clearly indicated.
                      Rotten excuse. However, what else can you expect from you, what are such excuses!

                      For the most forgetful, the king was overthrown in February by his own generals and even some relatives took part.
                      1. -5
                        18 December 2019 12: 42
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        Rotten excuse. However, what else can you expect from you, what are such excuses!

                        A. Makedonsky, I can read and understand for you. A short course - I can’t.!
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        For the most forgetful, the king was overthrown in February some of his generals and even relatives took part.

                        1.Oh, illiteracy in general beyond: MARCH, hear. in MARCH there was a renunciation, an ignoramus! lol
                        2. NOBODY from the Romanovs-did not participate (and do not need fake nonsense about the red bow).
                      2. -1
                        18 December 2019 13: 03
                        lgovich (Andrey)
                        Oh, illiteracy is generally beyond
                        Really beyond literacy. FEBRUARY Revolution !!!, I did not say a word about the abdication.
                        hear
                        Hey, you don’t take me to hear me ...
                        NOBODY from the Romanovs did not participate (and do not need fake nonsense about the red bow).
                        In the days of the February Revolution, Kirill Vladimirovich, instead of supporting Nicholas II, took steps that, according to historian V. M. Khrustalyov, adversely affected the history of Russia. He became the first member of the imperial family to violate the oath of the tsar and declare that he personally and the military unit entrusted to him went over to the side of the State Duma and were glad of the revolution [6]. His behavior in the days of the revolution was subsequently blamed on him by his opponents [7].

                        At the beginning of the riots, along with the Grand Dukes Mikhail Alexandrovich and Pavel Alexandrovich, he participated in the preparation of the draft manifesto on the constitutional order (“Grand Duke's manifesto”), which they wanted to submit to Nicholas II for signature. The plan provided for the preservation on the throne of Emperor Nicholas II through partial concessions to the moderate wing of the revolutionaries (adoption of the constitution and the appointment of a “responsible ministry” - Russia became a constitutional monarchy) [6].

                        Kirill Vladimirovich, according to the memoirs of a number of contemporaries and in his own words, on March 1 (14), 1917, went over to the side of the revolution wearing a “red bow”. As the palace commandant V.N. Voeikov recalled [6]:

                        The Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, with royal monograms on uniform and a red bow on his shoulder, appeared on March 1 at 4 hours 15 minutes in the State Duma, where he reported to the Chairman of the Duma MV Rodzianko: “I have the honor to appear to your Excellency. I am at your disposal, like all the people. I wish the good of Russia, ”and said that the Guards crew is at the full disposal of the State Duma.
                        - Voeikov V. With the Tsar and without the Tsar. - Helsingfors, 1936 .-- S. 251.

                        Olgovich (Andrey) I read and understand for you Short course - I can’t.!
                        Rotten excuse!
                      3. -2
                        19 December 2019 08: 15
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        truly transcendental illiteracy. FEBRUARY Revolution !!!,

                        Get yours, unlearned ::
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        For the most forgetful, king overthrown in February
                        IN MARCH!
                        Shame .... Shame on you, Macedonian?
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        The Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, with royal monograms on uniform and a red bow on his shoulder, appeared on March 1 at 4 hours 15 minutes in the State Duma, where he reported to the Chairman of the Duma MV Rodzianko: “I have the honor to appear to your Excellency. I am at your disposal, like all the people. I wish the good of Russia, ”and said that the Guards crew is at the full disposal of the State Duma.
                        - Voeikov V. With the Tsar and without the Tsar. - Helsingfors, 1936

                        Witnesses, former members of the Duma: the former comrade of the Chairman of the State Duma S.T. Varun-Secret, who was standing next to Rodzianko when he talked with Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, confirms this testimony:

                        The Grand Duke entered, accompanied by two officers; all three were dressed in uniform - in black overcoats, with headpieces threaded under shoulder straps - and none of them had any bows or any unformed differences».

                        Colonel Engelhardt, also a member of the State Duma:

                        At the head of the Guards crew appeared Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich. "He came into my office, contrary to existing stories, he did not have a red bow on his shoulder."

                        The absence of a red bow and the true intentions of Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich were testified by the Times correspondent»R. Wilton

                        They came with shoulder straps to the only legitimate authority in the capital, as a force to RESTORE ORDER. : Lieutenant General Mosolov:

                        Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich, at the head of the Guards crew he commanded, went to the Duma, hoping to contribute to this establishing order in the capital and saving the Dynasty at a critical moment. This attempt did not find support and remained inconclusive. ”


                        Ignoramus ....
                      4. -1
                        19 December 2019 08: 17
                        Olgovich (Andrey)
                        Ignoramus ....
                        To say more about fool
                      5. +1
                        18 December 2019 17: 58
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        NOBODY from the Romanovs did not participate (and do not need fake nonsense about the red bow).

                        A typo is not a fake, but a fact. This is K.V. Romanov.
                        And NN Romanov (aka the Younger, aka Long), though "kneeling", demanded the abdication of the namesake nephew from the throne. Another uncle, S.M. Romanov, also made a similar request ... Yes, in fact, all the Romanovs one way or another ...
                      6. -4
                        19 December 2019 09: 13
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich

                        A typo is not a fake, but a fact. This is K.V. Romanov.
                        And NN Romanov (aka the Younger, aka Long), though "kneeling", demanded the abdication of the namesake nephew from the throne. Another uncle, S.M. Romanov, also made a similar request ... Yes, in fact, all the Romanovs one way or another ...

                        Do not carry nonsense.
                      7. +3
                        19 December 2019 11: 27
                        Do not tell lies.
                      8. -3
                        19 December 2019 13: 41
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Do not tell lies.

                        to school! Yes
                        Three "U" foreign tourists to help you.
                    2. +4
                      18 December 2019 12: 00
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      We read Stalin in the "Short course on the history of the VKPBEE"

                      Is Capital Already a Handbook?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      - question
                      Who, throughout the entire history of Russia, was the customer, or the murderer of the Grand Dukes or Tsars? According to the "bloody" (by the way - this is the name the Russian people called it), one need not go into the excursion - an isolated case.
    2. +2
      18 December 2019 11: 49
      Quote: Olgovich
      The West has always hated Russia

      Olgovich - I completely agree with you, Kolchak, as the representative of the British crown did everything for the collapse of Russia.
      1. -7
        18 December 2019 12: 36
        Quote: Serg Koma
        Olgovich - I completely agree with you, Kolchak, as the representative of the British crown did everything for the collapse of Russia.

        Excuse me, what did Kolchak have to do with the SECTION of Russia that occurred after 1922 to 1940 ?! belay lol
        1 remember. that Russia has decreased over the past 18 years by the THIRTEEN GERMANY — it has these borders today.

        This was done by the Anitrus power that defeated Russia (see article)
        1. +4
          18 December 2019 13: 44
          Quote: Olgovich
          Anitrus authorities did it.

          And again, I agree with you good The power of Kolchak was anti-Russian, aimed at the collapse, both economic, demographic and territorial of the Great Country. The English manager acted in the interests of their masters, and they (the West), as you correctly noted
          Quote: Olgovich
          The West has always hated Russia and betrayed it.
          This happened this time too ...
          Hence the conclusion - who needed a Civil War that weakened the state and put it on the brink of complete collapse and division into "spheres of influence"? - first of all to the West.
          Territorial losses of Russia have occurred more than once, you yourself are well aware of the examples, then everything returned with the toric and multiplied. So stop throwing stones - they come back laughing
          1. -2
            19 December 2019 09: 26
            Quote: Serg Koma
            And again, I agree with you, Kolchak’s power was anti-Russian, aimed at the collapse, both economic, demographic, and territorial of the Great Country. The English manager acted in the interests of their masters, and they (the West), as you correctly noted

            And as I agree with you! Yes

            It was the ANTI-RUSSIAN power that plagued Russia to the borders of the 17th century, while Kolchak was FOR RUSSIAN Odessa, RUSSIAN Uralsk, RUSSIAN Nikolaev.

            But the anti-Russians turned them ... MIKOLAEV and ORAL.
            Quote: Serg Koma
            Hence the conclusion - who needed a Civil War that weakened the state and put it on the brink of complete collapse and division into "spheres of influence"? - first of all to the West.

            Taki yes! If you read a foreign tourist from Swissthen you would know his slogan of turning the war for the Fatherland into CIVIL WAR. He came from the West -from the German occupiers.
            Quote: Serg Koma
            Territorial losses of Russia have occurred more than once, you yourself are well aware of the examples, then everything returned with the toric and multiplied. So stop throwing stones - they come back

            SUCH losses, as with a foreign tourist, Russia has never suffered. ....It's simple fact
            1. -1
              20 December 2019 06: 55
              Quote: Olgovich
              It was the ANTI-RUSSIAN power that plagued Russia to the borders of the 17th century, while Kolchak was FOR RUSSIAN Odessa, RUSSIAN Uralsk, RUSSIAN Nikolaev.

              Something everything is really bad for you ... Count how many territories were lost only during Nika's (i.e., before 1017)? Who was in power from 1894 to 1917 and brought the country to revolution? Like the West sponsored Civil War influenced the economic / demographic / defense state of the country? Maybe Kolchak was for "united Russia" - but under the protectorate of his masters. Therefore, after the end of the First World War, all the forces of the Entente countries switched to Russia - England did not need a strong Russia, it needed a "raw material appendage" under the English (in terms of spheres of influence) control. Therefore, they did not spare any money ... The presence of foreign contingents and "advisers" is evidence of this.
              So your accusations that only the Bolsheviks are to blame for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia are strongly biased, the tsar, the VP, the Civil War, and accordingly Kolchak are no less guilty of this ....
              “Let me disagree with the opinion that Bolshevism was the decisive cause of the collapse of the army: it found only fertile soil in a systematically decomposing and decaying organism” - Denikin.
              1. -2
                20 December 2019 09: 40
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Something everything is really bad for you ... Count how many territories were lost only during Nika's (i.e., before 1017)?

                if you even knew a little the history of YOUR Homeland. you would know that the territory of Russia under the last emperor ROSLA and at a tremendous pace
                Quote: Serg Koma
                brought the country to revolution?

                PMV and the traitors of the Bolsheviks.
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Like a West sponsored Civil War

                why TENS of millions of people. who chose non-Bolshevik power. were supposed to accept the seizure of power by a handful of Bolsheviks who were depressed in the elections? think
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Maybe Kolchak was for "united Russia" - but under the protectorate of his masters.

                a lie. and here the transfer to the invaders of the THREE countries is a fact of treason of the Bolsheviks.
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Therefore, after the end of the First World War, all the forces of countries Entente and switched to Russia

                You do not know anything, alas.
                Quote: Serg Koma
                So your accusations that only the Bolsheviks are to blame for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia are strongly biased, the tsar, the VP, the Civil War, and accordingly Kolchak are no less guilty of this ...

                No see above
                Quote: Serg Koma
                “Let me disagree with the opinion that Bolshevism was the decisive cause of the collapse of the army: it found only fertile soil in a systematically decomposing and decaying organism” - Denikin.

                and then read on!
            2. 0
              20 December 2019 07: 29
              Quote: Olgovich
              SUCH losses, as with a foreign tourist

              Who do you mean - Kolchak? laughing
    3. +4
      18 December 2019 12: 42
      It is not true to identify Kolchak, at that time an admiral in the British service, with Russia. Just a "tool", the traitors of their people (the white movement, at least its leaders) were used as long as it was effective. Whoever does not look closely from the leaders behind all the English, French, Japanese "ears" will immediately show up ....
      1. -5
        18 December 2019 12: 56
        Quote: Jarserge
        It is not true to identify Kolchak, at that time an admiral in the British service, with Russia.

        Is this your decision? What a fright? belay
        Quote: Jarserge
        Just a "tool", the traitors of their people (the white movement, at least its leaders) were used as long as it was effective. Whoever does not look closely from the leaders behind all the English, French, Japanese "ears" will immediately show up ....

        My dear man, you have not answered a SIMPLE question: WHERE are the THIRTEEN GERMANIES cut off by the "patriots" from RUSSIA and turned into ANTI-Russia by them?

        Did Kolchak do this? The motto of the Russian State is "United and Indivisible Russia"remember.
        Your idols not only cut the country, but also deprived her name is Russia for 70 years. None of the countries of the world have ever pushed themselves to such a thing.
        1. +1
          18 December 2019 13: 19
          Do not distort. Mr. Kolchak is a traitor to the level of Gorbachev. Yes, he DOES IT AT THE SOURCES of the ANTI-RUSSIAN branch, For he swore an oath to the Emperor, but entered into a conspiracy, supported the liberal party, being the commander of the Black Sea Fleet. You will not argue how the collapse of Russia began? And subsequently was a British puppet. In the archive of the Foreign Office are his requests for admission to the Royal Navy. so whose interests were lobbied by the pseudo-patriot Kolchak who still scares children in some places in Siberia
          1. -5
            19 December 2019 09: 37
            Quote: Jarserge
            Do not distort. Mr. Kolchak is a traitor to the level of Gorbachev. Yes, he DOES IT AT THE SOURCES of the ANTI-RUSSIAN branch, For he swore an oath to the Emperor, but entered into a conspiracy, supported the liberal party, being the commander of the Black Sea Fleet.

            Do not talk nonsense: he did not participate in any "conspiracy", he fought. The war for the Fatherland was going on, if they forgot.
            As well as "conspiracy" there was NO. about which there are no documents, no participants, no program "
            Quote: Jarserge
            You will not argue how the collapse of Russia began?

            The collapse of Russia began on October 25, 17, as well as the Grazhd war: LEARN, finally: ALL independence declared after the thief !!
            Quote: Jarserge
            And subsequently was a British puppet. In the archive of the Foreign Office are his requests for admission to the royal fleet frighten

            For the war with the allies against the occupiers of Russia, to whom the traitors gave forever the THREE Euros. Of Russia
            Quote: Jarserge
            so whose interests lobbied for the pseudo-patriot Kolchak

            RUSSIA and RUSSIAN PEOPLE, which has Odessa, Uralsk, Nikolaev and other-RUSSIAN cities. not the so-called "ussry" and so on. anti-Rus.
            If a patriot of "Ukraine", then yes ...
            1. -2
              20 December 2019 18: 22
              Learn history. This is me about the "non-participation" in the conspiracy of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Kolchak. Tell me how it happened? Siberia did not support the Bolsheviks, apart from the rare points along the Transsib. Where did thousands of partisans suddenly appear in the rear of the Kolchak army, such that they drove all this trash to the Pacific Ocean? In general, it's boring with you. you do not know anything only as a political worker some slogans
              1. 0
                21 December 2019 08: 31
                Quote: Jarserge
                Learn history. This is me about the "non-participation" in the conspiracy of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Kolchak.

                Addresses, passwords, appearances, on the table, a liar.
                Quote: Jarserge
                Tell me how it happened? Siberia did not support the Bolsheviks, not counting the rare points along the Trans-Siberian Railway. Why did thousands of partisans suddenly appear in the rear of the Kolchak army and such that they drove all this trash to the Pacific Ocean?

                partisans persecuted? belay lol
                Quote: Jarserge
                And in general bored with You. you know nothing only as a political worker, one slogan

                You go to the circus, there you will have fun and the very place. hi
        2. +4
          18 December 2019 13: 40
          None of the countries of the world have podgrazhilas such never

          Why? Change of name? Changing the form of government?
          1. -4
            19 December 2019 09: 43
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            Why? Change of name? Changing the form of government?

            you again do not understand Russian? For tankers:,
            deprived of her name-Russia for 70 years.

            ALL countries had their own names, except for our country. which he was cut out: America, FR Germany, Swiss confederation. United Kingdom Great Britain and Northern Ireland etc. Again incomprehensible?
            Sorry then...
            1. -1
              22 December 2019 10: 13
              In Russian, only you don’t understand, the bundle on your forehead chopping you is ours.
              You are talking about changing the name of the country (it was called Russia, it was called the USSR). And then say that this (name change) was not with any of the countries of the world. You are healthy?
              And it would be nice to include Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates, Australia, and Yugoslavia would not be superfluous in the list of federations (although the WB forgotten there) (although it already rested in the Bose). And with them how? Fit into your logic?
              1. -1
                22 December 2019 11: 30
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                In Russian, only you don’t understand, the bundle on your forehead chopping you is ours.
                You are talking about changing the name of the country (it was called Russia, it was called the USSR)

                I'm talking about depriving the country of her own name "Russia"... There was "Russia" in the name of the country and-struck out

                There is NO country in the world devoid of its own name, except Russia.
                United States AMERICA, SWISS Confederation, etc.
                Everyone has names — America, Switzerland, etc. Except for my country.

                Did it get there? No? Then only on the forehead and only that instrument. hi
                1. -1
                  22 December 2019 12: 46
                  And in the name of the RSFSR, too, crossed out?
                  There was "Swaziland" in the name of the country and - deleted, it became "Eswatini".
                  There was "India (British)" in the name of the country and - deleted, became "Pakistan"
                  There was "Rzecz Pospolita" in the name of the country and - they deleted it, became a lot of people.
                  There was "Burma" in the name of the country and - deleted, became "Myanmar".
                  There was "Qing Empire" in the name of the country and - deleted, became the "Republic of China".
                  There were "Sweden, Norway, Denmark" in the names of the countries and - crossed out, became "Kalmar Union". In order to become Sweden, Norway and Denmark again in a century and a half.
                  There was "Rattanakosin" in the name of the country and - deleted, became Thailand.
                  There was "Eastern Mark" in the name of the country and - deleted, became Austria
                  There were "Gosh, Stelland, Transvaal" and - crossed out, became South Africa
                  Was the "Durrani Empire" and - deleted, became "Afghanistan and Iran"
                  There was "Francia" in the name of the country and - deleted, became almost all of Europe.
                  There was "Yamato" in the name of the country and - deleted, became "Japan".
                  Was "Nobatia" in the name of the country and - deleted, became "Sudan".
                  And other, and other ...
                  And about the USA it’s incorrect - that the USA, that Australia got names on a geographical basis
                  About the United States and Switzerland, in general, a pearl in relation to our conversation - find me in federal units (states or cantons) the one that bears the name of America or Switzerland? And at the same time, explain why the fear should change the name of the EXISTING country? Now, if the USA or Switzerland cease to exist, then we will discuss their new names, whether "America and Switzerland" will remain in them or not laughing
                  Let's better talk about the "blue" Ivan Franko wassat tongue
                  1. -2
                    22 December 2019 13: 42
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    And in the name of the RSFSR, too, crossed out?


                    belay
                    See the name of the whole COUNTRY: there is no name "Russia"
                    .
                    The RSFSR on the world map was not, the name Russia on it was erased for 70 years.
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    There was "India (British)" in the name of the country and - deleted, became "Pakistan"

                    Again it didn’t reach: there is a NAME, an OWN NAME for each country, the same USA -AMERICA the states.

                    And impersonal on Mars can also be on the moon: without a clan, without a tribe, and all and no one.
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    About the United States and Switzerland, in general, pearl in relation to our conversation - find me in federal units (states or cantons) that which is called America or Switzerland?

                    Which side to the conversation? By the way, find a republic in the USSR that bore the name "union"
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    And at the same time explain, with what fright, the name of the EXISTING country should change?

                    Ask your foreign tourists why on earth did they destroy the EXISTING country and its name. More dullness, yes, there was ..
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Now, if the USA or Switzerland cease to exist, then we will discuss their new names, whether "America and Switzerland" will remain in them or not

                    what nonsense .... request
                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    Let's better talk about the "blue" Ivan Franko

                    Your interest in pigeon themes is more appropriate on other sites.
                    1. -1
                      22 December 2019 14: 44
                      See the name of the whole COUNTRY: there is no name "Russia"

                      See any country from the list above, the same.
                      See the name "Myanmar": the name "Burma" is not there.
                      See the name of Rzeczpospolita, there are no names "Poland or Lithuania".
                      And so on. You pass off the usual thing in history (changing the name of the state) for something supernatural and which never happened fool
                      The RSFSR on the world map was not, the name Russia on it was erased for 70 years.

                      Austria was not on the map, Japan was not, etc. see the list, the name "Eastern Brand", "Yamato" is erased - and not for 70 years, but more and is unlikely to return. So what?
                      Again did not get it: there is a NAME, an OWN NAME for each country, the same USA - AMERICA states

                      it didn’t reach you that the name appeared due to the geographical name of the mainland, and not to the previously existing state with that name (America), from which the federation was formed, which left the name of the past country in its name. The 13 colonies that called themselves USA were called New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Providence, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, both Carolina and Georgia. Where is the word America in these names?
                      And I’ll tell you a secret - the USSR is also an OWN name.
                      Which side to the conversation? By the way, find a republic in the USSR that bore the name "union"

                      So no! This is what I am trying to convey to you - not necessarily a newly formed federation is called the old state formation, or an integral part of the federation. Only for you this is normal in Switzerland, but not in the USSR.
                      Ask your foreign tourists why on earth did they destroy an EXISTING country and its name

                      Let me remind you - the theme of our pick - your pearl that no country in the world has changed its name
                      Therefore, "why on earth was destroyed" to the topic of conversation is irrelevant.
                      We do not find out why Swaziland YEAR BACK destroyed and made Esvatini, and further down the list.
                      what nonsense ...

                      this is nonsense to give an example of a change of name for a disappeared country and a country that in its place appeared with countries with which a similar metamorphosis did not occur.
                      Your interest in pigeon themes is more appropriate on other sites.

                      Is that my interest?
                      erect monuments to the drunk pedophile Shevchenko or the blue Franco

                      These are your words. About Frank do not explain?
                      1. -1
                        23 December 2019 10: 16
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        See any country from the list above, the same.

                        I look and see: US AMERICA.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        See the name "Myanmar": the name "Burma" is not there.

                        Naturally: the people threw out an alien stupid foreign name and returned their own.
                        All , like us-We will now RUSSIA.
                        What's not clear?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And so on.

                        where next? fool
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You pass off the usual thing in history (changing the name of the state) for something supernatural and which never happened

                        For mankurta-Liquidation the name of a power is a natural thing, but for a normal person, by no means. This is a crime and a tragedy.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Austria was not on the map, Japan was not, etc. see the list

                        Russia-WAS on the map. And -NOT become. We don’t see the difference point-blank? fool
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        it didn’t reach you that the name appeared due to the geographical name of the mainland, and not to the previously existing state with that name (America),

                        WHO denies this, ignoramus? fool
                        And America, the name OWN, has come, no?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        both Carolina and Georgia. Where is the word America in these names?

                        b, again: show the republic with the name "union" angry
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And I’ll tell you a secret - the USSR is also an OWN name.

                        So what? People were also crippled:
                        Dazdraperma - from “Long live the First of May!”.
                        Dazdrasmygda - from “Long live the bow of the city and the village!”.


                        The country was deprived of her OWN name "Russia", replacing with some kind of Martian ... "union" fool
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Let me remind you - the theme of our pick - your pearl that no country in the world has changed its name

                        What are you carrying? fool
                        I'm talking about the intentional destruction of the NAME OF THE COUNTRY, which already existed for almost a THOUSAND YEARS!
                        And the second: there is no such country: without a name, without a face, without a tribe (either on Mars, or on the moon).
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        We do not find out why Swaziland YEAR BACK destroyed and made Esvatini, and further down the list.

                        See above- about Burma, maybe it will
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Is that my interest?
                        erect monuments to the drunk pedophile Shevchenko or the blue Franco

                        These are your words. About Frank do not explain?

                        Remember what you apologized for.
    4. +2
      18 December 2019 17: 34
      Quote: Olgovich
      The West has always hated Russia and betrayed it.

      IS ALWAYS? And here, there was a case, someone assured me that pre-Soviet Russia ALWAYS had a "MASS of Alliance Treaties" that were observed, and if they were violated, then "everyone, like people" and only the USSR in the West was afraid and did not trust him. Why, I wonder why the West ALWAYS hated Russia? After all, there were not always “ISIS” (Comintern, the wildest events of the 30s (millions of exiles, hundreds of thousands of executions in a year. ”Or ... always? No.
      1. -3
        19 December 2019 09: 46
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        IS ALWAYS? And here, there was a case, someone assured me that pre-Soviet Russia ALWAYS had "MASS OF ALLIANCE CONTRACTS"that were observed, and if they were violated, then" everyone, like people "and only the USSR in the West feared and did not trust him.

        One does not exclude the other: feelings are one thing, and rationality and the need for joint action is another.

        Or are such ordinary things too complicated for some weak little heads? What do you think?request lol

        Why, I wonder, did the West ALWAYS hate Russia? After all, there were not always “ISIS” (Comintern, the wildest events of the 30s (millions of exiles, hundreds of thousands of executions in a year. ”Or ... always?

        Competitor. In everything. Again .... an unfamiliar word? belay
        So- "herself, herself !!" (C) .See. Ozhegov's dictionary.
        1. 0
          19 December 2019 11: 33
          Quote: Olgovich
          One does not exclude the other


          Quote: Olgovich
          Competitor. In everything.

          That is, in our dispute I was right? Q.E.D.
          Quote: Olgovich
          are such ordinary things too complicated for some weak little heads? What do you think?

          I think yes. Especially judging by what you wrote.
  3. 0
    18 December 2019 07: 33
    The tragedy of the people when the Russians killed the Russians is vividly shown in the article! But nevertheless, all evil spirits from their native land were swept away by a filthy broom!
    1. 0
      18 December 2019 11: 38
      General Maurice Janin, who led the French military mission at Kolchak’s headquarters, suggested Kolchak take the gold ..
      “I’d better pass it on to the Bolsheviks than you. I don’t believe allies, ”replied the Supreme Ruler of Russia to the Frenchman’s proposal.
      The aforementioned general ordered the Czechs to arrest the admiral, which they did not without pleasure.
  4. +2
    18 December 2019 08: 33
    The situation in Siberia during the war was described cognitively, if it were not for the author’s gag, it would have been very good. As for the British, French and Czechs, from the point of view of their interests, they acted logically: they could not get Siberia quickly, and they did not want to fight here for the long and hopelessly here for the interests of their protege. More precisely, their troops did not want to, the generals, maybe they were glad to give orders, only who will execute them? And the gold reserve has already been taken - and what else is there to do in Siberia?
  5. +3
    18 December 2019 09: 19
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    If you publish documents, do not write a gag at the end (((((((The fact that the Japanese are a warrior nation, such dark affairs are not in their style. And the nations of Western democracies - England, France and the USA, are traders, they are always happy for a bargain, agreement (((((. I was pleased with the conclusion.

    If the author is wrong in what, it is that the kolchak was abandoned not by the allies, but by the owners with homies. Like an unnecessary puppy in the country.
    1. +1
      18 December 2019 10: 12
      Well, yes, with such "allies" and enemies are not necessary. Vaughn Nikolashka also believed that they were his allies, but these "allies", I would even say relatives, were not allowed to enter the door. And rightly so. Not figs was for the interests of Britain and France to fit in.
  6. +9
    18 December 2019 09: 29
    In the sense of "betrayed"? Did they owe something to someone? It's nice to read about the executions of tsarist generals. That's where the traitors are, so traitors who have fully received what they deserve!
    The tsarist generals understood nothing, absolutely nothing, either in politics, or in the economy, or in governing the country. But at the same time, without hesitation, they destroyed the tsarist government, believing that they would cope with everything. Truly heroes, eat them through the rocker! In order to conclude the PRESENT allied treaties and to achieve their implementation, it is necessary to BE ABLE to do this. These people did not know how. And the country was destroyed!
    The Bolsheviks in the first place saved the country as a whole. Along the way, of course, destroying the perpetrators of the monstrous collapse. Dog - dog death.
    1. +4
      18 December 2019 10: 31
      Michael3 (Michael)
      It is pleasant to read about the executions of tsarist generals. That’s where the traitors are, so traitors who are fully deserved!
      And now, monuments are being erected to these corrupt creatures, and memorial boards are hung up by the bloody executioners.
      1. -4
        18 December 2019 11: 12
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Shove your "research" back where you took them out

        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And now these corrupt creatures

        Typology of rudeness as protective, due to limitation or fanaticism. Not controlled by consciousness.
        For people who grew up in the USSR and post-Soviet Russia, the rudeness of everyday life is so mastered that it rarely causes even annoyance - it has become for us something like muddy water for fish that grew in it and did not know any other water.
        Rozin V.G., Novosibirsk, Research Institute of Physiology
        1. +2
          18 December 2019 11: 26
          bober1982 (vladimir)
          For people who grew up in the USSR
          Well, where are we to you, who grew up under the king of peas ... laughing laughing laughing
          it became for us a kind of muddy water for the fish that grew in it and did not know any other water.
          Well, you are the bakers fool everyones in violets grew up, you probably even go to the toilet with violets ?!
          1. -4
            18 December 2019 11: 42
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            you probably even go to the toilet with violets ?!

            Everything about the latrines spoke, you fell morally.
            1. 0
              18 December 2019 11: 47
              Those. you can insult me, but answer me silent? Do not wait!
              1. -1
                18 December 2019 13: 07
                Having descended to direct insults, you greatly humiliate yourself. Learn to SPEAK. Not a problem to tear the opponent to shreds without saying a single bad word to him)
                1. 0
                  18 December 2019 13: 24
                  ihail3 (Michael)
                  Having descended to direct insults, you greatly humiliate yourself.
                  If you didn’t notice, then I didn’t start it. Here is a comment by a beaver:
                  The typology of rudeness, as protective, is determined by narrow-mindedness or fanaticism. Not controlled by consciousness.
                  For people who grew up in the USSR and post-Soviet Russia, the rudeness of everyday life is so mastered that it rarely causes even annoyance - it has become for us something like muddy water for fish that grew in it and did not know any other water.
                  This is not an insult in your opinion?
                  And silently tolerating insults is not in my character.
        2. 0
          18 December 2019 13: 06
          The typology of rudeness, as protective, is determined by narrow-mindedness or fanaticism. Not controlled by consciousness.
          That there was no rudeness in your environment, there is a time-tested remedy. Exquisitely polite nobles and aristocrats (and not only, not even so much) carried weapons every day, and used them with the slightest disrespect, anyway, real or apparent. So politeness appeared - a way to communicate without killing each other. Are you ready to answer daily with your life for your words and actions?
      2. +1
        18 December 2019 13: 01
        So are there less traitors now? No matter how much. So they perpetuate their own kind.
  7. +4
    18 December 2019 11: 30
    If anything, then the contingent of Japanese interventionists consisted of 70 tons of soldiers, which was more than all the wax interventionists with the Czechs. Therefore, they could "confirm their opinion by force", especially since the main forces were located in Transbaikalia. They felt they were masters of the entire controlled territory, so much so that the Germans in the Second World War had to strain their imaginations in order to repeat their "exploits" over the Russian population. So there is no need to talk about the nobility of the warrior nation. Not to beat, but to the waist in Russian blood, these warriors with women, children and old people.
    1. 0
      18 December 2019 11: 46
      For local bakeries fool , the invaders are "holy" people who fought with the "bloody ginger". On the other hand, and what to take from the poor?
  8. 0
    18 December 2019 13: 38
    Ataman Semenov became famous for such unprecedented cruelty towards prisoners of war and the civilian population (having far surpassed the Cheka) that the Americans actually switched to the side of the Reds. Since, they had to protect thousands of people fleeing the sadists of Semenov.
    1. -7
      18 December 2019 13: 55
      Semenov was distinguished by illegibility in the means to achieve the goal, he was uneducated, had not a rich broad horizons, but was brave and had a natural Cossack savvy. And such a person became one of the leaders of the White movement. By the degree of cruelty Semenov did not differ from the Reds, the real livestock breeding, on both sides.
      1. -3
        18 December 2019 14: 03
        In any case, the Americans and the Japanese managed to bring thousands of representatives of the intelligentsia on their ships (most of them were refugees from St. Petersburg, Moscow, and other large cities), whom either the Semenovites or the Chekists would inevitably destroy.
        1. +2
          19 December 2019 11: 42
          Is it inevitable, right? Did the evil KGB exterminate everyone who remained to draw such conclusions?
    2. +1
      18 December 2019 14: 28
      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Ataman Semenov became famous for such unprecedented cruelty towards prisoners of war and the civilian population (having far surpassed the Cheka) that the Americans actually switched to the side of the Reds. Since, they had to protect thousands of people fleeing the sadists of Semenov.

      I completely agree about Semyonov, but about the Americans in more detail, whom did they "save" there? About the concentration camps near Arkhangelsk, arranged by American "rescuers", I suppose you have never heard of?
  9. +6
    18 December 2019 15: 24
    I liked the article. The author, not accepting either side, clearly and clearly outlined the chronology of events. Reading this article, I constantly caught myself thinking: "What kind of patchwork quilt the empire turned into after the revolutions and what efforts, victims of economic losses cost this patchwork quilt to sew into a single whole. "And after reading the comments to the article, I concluded that with the next violent change of power, Russia will again be pulled apart. Will there be a force capable of reuniting these pieces and what efforts of the victim will be required for this is impossible to predict.
  10. +5
    18 December 2019 16: 34
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    I repeat for those who do not get off the armored train. HOW can one simultaneously love the tsar’s nonsense and the white generals who overthrew him? What is not clear in the question?


    We read Stalin in the "Short Course on the History of the VKPBEE": there EVERYTHING is clearly indicated.

    or too complicated a document for you?
    Bulk-crunches live in a parallel universe, which does not intersect with ours. In their alternative maniamir, they simply do not know that Nicolas No. 2 was arrested by the future white leader, General Alekseev, and Nicolas’s family No. 2 was arrested by the White Guard’s icon General Kornilov. The Bulkokhrusty’s maniamir is not even suspected that the future deserter from the Russian fleet and the English agent Kolchak actively welcomed the overthrow of the monarchy. For the inhabitants of the Manyamir, the Bolsheviks are to blame for everything - from the death of Pompeii to the extinction of the Dront bird.
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    2. -4
      18 December 2019 18: 08
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      Quote: Laurel
      Bulk-crunches live in a parallel universe, which does not intersect with ours.

      In the real world, Soviet Lenin lovers V.I. Lenin were taken to Switzerland on a personal order of the Minister of the Interior of the Austrian Empire in August 1914. In the spring of 1917, Lenin, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) and other Bolsheviks swept freely during the war in Germany with the permission of Emperor Wilhelm (while thousands of Russians sat in German camps behind barbed wire). In the real world, congresses of the revolutionary party of the RSDLP are held in the Kingdom of Great Britain, the headquarters of the International are located in London. banker), Trotsky-Bronstein has an adviser to the English SIS officer George Hill, and the leader of the world revolution Dzhugashvili kisses the sword donated by the English king for faithful service to the crown.
      1. +2
        18 December 2019 18: 38
        You have little knowledge of the International, and therefore an extremely strange idea. Plus the obvious manipulation of "Lenin's wires by personal order", which are nothing more than a ban on being in the country. But even if we take all this porridge at face value, then I want to ask - so what? No, really, so what?
        1. -3
          18 December 2019 19: 47
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          I want to ask - and what? No, really, so what?

          Well, the fighter with the monarchy Dzhugashvili likes to kiss the gift of the English king, but what is it ?! Well, British intelligence officers are traveling around the Soviet Republic with Cheka’s mandates signed by Dzerzhinsky and Peters - and sho? Well, Canadian Colonel Joseph Boyldyk is sitting in the People’s Commissariat for Railways of the RSFSR helping the Soviet Union! Well, a Russian citizen, V. Ulyanov, is freely traveling with a gang of socialists in Germany during the Russian-German war — and what is this ?! Well, the revolutionary orders Bronstein to assist the royal troops in Murmansk, but what ?! All this in the name of the victory of the revolution over British imperialism!
          1. +1
            18 December 2019 21: 32
            ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            Well, the fighter with the monarchy Dzhugashvili loves to kiss the gift of the English king
            Sorry, but only a complete scoundrel can write this. This sword, no matter who it was presented, was presented in honor of the memory and courage of millions of Soviet soldiers who fell in the battles for Stalingrad! If you didn’t know this, you are ignorant, if you knew, then what is written by you at least as vile as a maximum to kill you is not enough for such words!
          2. +1
            18 December 2019 21: 58
            and what happened in the end with this English imperialism ???? :)
            1. -3
              19 December 2019 03: 36
              Quote: Red Hero
              and what happened in the end with this English imperialism ???? :)

              British imperialism was ideologically defeated by the only true doctrine of Marxism-Stalinism. In the 1930s, the Kingdom of Great Britain granted the USSR a license for the T-26 tanks, assistance in the work on the T-28 and T-35. Mutually during the famine of the 1930s. in Ukraine, the export of cheap Soviet grain to England amounted to 40% of consumption. About leasing during the Second World War, Churchill tanks and Aircobra aircraft for the Red Army are already known. I will add that during the Cold War, to fight American imperialism, the British had to install Rolls-Royce engines on the Soviet MiG-15 fighters: the Soviet industry was unable to manufacture jet turbines. It is generally not clear how the Soviet State could fight imperialism without the help of Kingdom of England ?!
              1. 0
                19 December 2019 21: 25
                “The capitalists will not only sell us a rope, on which we hang them, they will give it to us on credit” :)
          3. +1
            19 December 2019 14: 43
            Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            and what is that ?!

            But the truth - what is it? In the years 1915-16. All sorts of princes-counts went to meet with the Germans, came to Russia from Germany with messages from cousin Willy to cousin Nicky and Alix ... and nothing!
      2. +2
        18 December 2019 21: 52
        and the leader of the world revolution, Dzhugashvili kisses the sword, donated by the English king for his faithful service to the crown.
        Address to the site administrators! Dear administrators, HOW on the site, at least positioning itself as patriotic, there are still people, if you can call them people, after these words, and they still are not sent to the ban forever ?!
        This something, just spat on the memory of millions of Soviet people who fell in the fight against the Nazi invaders, and it, this body, is still on the site. I understand that they will rather ban me, but there is a limit to indecency.
        I NEED TO CALL THE RESIDENT FOR ANSWER !!!
        1. -5
          19 December 2019 03: 41
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          You tell your bloody tsar to a lousy one.

          As much as the Soviet patriot "Alexander Suvorov" hates the Russian Tsar, he adores the English King just as much!
          1. +3
            19 December 2019 10: 55
            Hatred is too strong a feeling, and the ex-monarch who left for the Land of Happy Hunt more than 100 years ago simply does not deserve it. It is enough that he deserved hatred from the people, which ultimately led him and his family to a famous basement. But what he deserves is an objective assessment. But it is like that - an insignificant, stupid and evil king reigned the country into two unnecessary wars and lost them, brought the country entrusted to him to death and decay, destroyed everything that it and our ancestors had created for centuries, caused the death of millions of people. Contempt is what he deserves.