The war of February and October as a confrontation between two civilization projects

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The civil war in Russia was the war of February against October, two revolutionary projects that were continuations of two civilization matrices. It was a war of two civilization projects - Russian and Western. They were represented by red and white.


S.V. Gerasimov. For the power of the Soviets. 1957 year




It was a disaster much worse than fighting the external enemy, even the worst. This war has split the civilization, the people, the family and even the very person of man. It caused severe wounds, which for a long time determined the development of the country and society. This split still predetermines the present of Russia.

At the same time, the civil war was inextricably linked to countering the external threat, the war for the survival of Russia — the war against the western interventionists. The role of the West in the generation and course of the civil war in Russia in modern times is often underestimated. Although this was a major factor in the fratricidal carnage on the territory of Russian civilization. In 1917-1921 West led the war against Russian arms and white nationalists, in particular Poles. Lenin rightly pointed out the December 2 of 1919 of the year: “World imperialism, which caused us, in essence, a civil war and is guilty of prolonging it ...”

The February-March revolution of 1917 of the year (in fact, a palace coup, in its consequences, the revolution) was caused by a civilizational conflict, as was the subsequent civil war. The project of the Romanovs as a whole was pro-Western, the westernized elite of Russia, the intelligentsia and the bourgeoisie generally adhered to a liberal, Westernist ideology. The majority of the people — the peasantry (the overwhelming majority of the population of the Russian empire) and the workers — yesterday’s peasants — maintained a connection with the Russian civilization matrix.

However, the pro-Western elite of the Russian Empire believed that autocracy hampered the development of the country along the western path. The political, military, administrative, industrial-financial and most of the intellectual elite of Russia tried to make Russia "sweet France or Holland (England)". The king was overthrown, contrary to the myth created in the Liberal Russia in 1990-ies, not the Red Guards and Bolshevik commissars, and members of the upper class - the most prominent politicians, members of the Duma, the generals, the great princes. The noble, wealthy class of the empire. At the same time, many revolutionaries of the Februaryists were simultaneously freemasons, members of closed clubs and lodges.

These people had strength and connections, wealth and power, but they did not have full power in the country. Tsarism prevented - Russian autocracy. They wanted to destroy autocracy, reform the archaic political system in Russia and get full power. That is, the bourgeoisie, which had the estate, was to become the complete masters in the country, following the example of England, France and the USA. Russian Westerners needed liberal democracy, in which real power belongs to money bags, the market needs economic freedom. Finally, Russian liberal Westerners simply liked living in Europe - so sweet and civilized. They believed that Russia should become a part of European civilization and to go on the Western path of development.

Thus, the revolution and the civil war in Russia was generated not by a class conflict, but a civilizational one. Class interests are only part of the conflict, the visible part of it. Suffice it to recall how the Russian officers (generally from one class) during the civil war was divided almost in half between white and red. So, in the Red Army served about 70-75 thousand officers of the former Imperial Army -. About a third of the old officer corps, in the White Army -. About 100 thousand (40%), other officers tried to remain neutral, or fled, and did not fight. In the Red Army there were 639 generals and officers of the General Staff, in the White Army - 750. From 100 Red Commanders to 1918-1922 - 82 were former royal generals. That is the color of Russian imperial army was divided between red and white is almost equally. At the same time, most officers did not accept the “class position”, that is, they did not join the Bolshevik Party. They chose the Red Army as the spokesman of the civilizational interests of the majority of the people.

The red project created a new world on the ruins of the old and at the same time carried the beginnings of a deeply national, Russian civilizational project. The project of the Bolsheviks absorbed such basic values ​​for the Russian matrix code as justice, the primacy of truth over the law, the spiritual principle over the material, the general over the particular. At the same time, Bolshevism adopted the Russian work ethic — the fundamental role of productive, honest work in the life and lifestyle of the Russian people. Communism stood on the priority of labor, rejected the world of robbery, appropriation, was against social parasitism. The Bolsheviks offered the image of a "bright future" - a just world, the Christian Kingdom of God on earth. This Russian civilization basis of Bolshevism manifested itself almost immediately and attracted the people, including a significant part of the officers.

During the civil war, they fought for the truth, on the question of how people should live in Russia. February crushed one of the main pillars of Russian civilization - its statehood, killed “old Russia”. The revolutionaries of the Februaryists, who formed the Provisional Government, were guided by the Western development matrix, the Western model of the liberal bourgeois state. They enthusiastically broke all the institutions of the traditional, old Russian statehood - the army, the police, etc. The destruction of the Russian statehood became the most important consequence of the February revolution.

Liberal Westerners took the first role in society, and they demolished “old Russia”. The liquidation of autocracy and the destruction of the old Russian army became the basis for the all-Russian turmoil. At the same time, the Bolsheviks, who relied on the workers, began to create a new reality, a world, a new Soviet statehood, an alternative to the Western model that the Provisional Government was trying to build. This gave rise to one of the most powerful social conflicts for the whole history Russia. The stronger the new pro-Western power tried to bend the traditional society under them, bearing in itself the beginnings of the Russian civilization matrix, the more they met resistance.

In particular, the peasants went their way. Already in 1917, they began their war of peasants. After the fall of the sacred (sacred) for the peasants of the royal power, the peasantry began to redistribute land and pogrom landlord estates. The peasants did not accept the new power, the Provisional Government. The peasantry no longer wanted to pay taxes, serve in the army, obey the authorities. Peasants are now trying to implement their project of freemen, free communities.

A civilizational split, not a class split, is clearly visible in the example of Georgia. There, during the collapse of the Russian empire after February, the Georgian Mensheviks, Zhordania, Chkhenkeli, Chkheidze, Tsereteli, and others, took power. They were prominent members of the Russian Social Democratic Workers Party (RSDLP), revolutionaries who destroyed the autocracy and the Russian empire. The Georgian Mensheviks were part of the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Soviet. In class terms, the Mensheviks expressed the interests of the workers. Thus, in Georgia, the Mensheviks formed the Red Guard from among the workers, disarmed the soldiers' Soviets, in which the Bolsheviks and Russians by nationality prevailed. The Georgian Menshevik government suppressed the Bolshevik uprisings, and in foreign policy focused from the beginning on Germany, and then on Britain.

The internal policy of the government of Zhordania was socialist and anti-Russian. An agrarian reform was quickly carried out in Georgia: the landlord’s land was confiscated without ransom and sold to peasants on credit. Then mines and most of the industry were nationalized. A monopoly on foreign trade was introduced. That is, the Georgian Marxists pursued a typical socialist policy.

However, the socialist Georgian government was the irreconcilable enemy of the Russians and the Bolsheviks. Tiflis in every way suppressed a large Russian community within Georgia, although objectively Russian specialists, employees and military were needed by the young state, which is experiencing huge personnel problems. Tiflis quarreled with the White Army under the command of Denikin, and even fought with the Whites for Sochi (How Georgia tried to seize Sochi; How the Whites crushed the Georgian invaders), although objectively the white and Georgian Mensheviks were to become allies against the Reds. They even had common patrons - the British. And this Georgian government was the enemy of the Bolsheviks. The essence of the confrontation between socialist Georgia and Soviet Russia was well explained by Jordania in his speech 16 January 1920: “Our road leads to Europe, the road of Russia to Asia. I know that our people will say that we are on the side of imperialism. Therefore, I must say with all determination: I would prefer Western imperialism to the fanatics of the East! ”Thus, socialist and nationalist Georgia chose the Western path of development, hence the confrontation with all Russians (and whites and reds), and the opposition of Georgian and Russian socialists.

Poland demonstrates the same example. The future dictator of Poland, Jozef Pilsudski, began as a revolutionary and a socialist, a fan of Engels and the leader of the Polish Socialist Party. And he ended up as an ardent nationalist, whose main point in the political program was “deep hatred of Russia” and the restoration of Great Poland (Rzeczpospolita) from sea to sea. Poland again became the tool of the masters of the West in the millennial struggle against Russian civilization.

It is clear that civilization conflict is only the foundation, the foundation, it does not cancel the social, class conflict that has matured in Russia. He was associated with the struggle of economic formations. The invasion of capitalism undermined the old feudal, caste society and its statehood in Russia. In this regard, the reforms of Alexander II, especially the peasant reform, undercut the foundations of the old system in Russia, but did not approve capitalism. The ideology of the whites - “capitalists, bourgeois and kulaks”, just stood for the victory of capitalism in Russia, the Western model of development. The same forces that were against predatory capitalism, but were in favor of modernizing Russia, went for the red ones. The way out of the historical deadlock, which Russia entered at the turn of the XIX - XX centuries, and which led to the 1917 catastrophe of the year, these forces saw in the establishment of a socialist Soviet system, a new, but not a capitalist formation.

In this way, The 1917 revolution of the year led to the fact that from its very beginning a civilizational conflict emerged - the Western and Russian civilizational matrices, a conflict of economic formations - capitalist and new socialist, and two types of statehood - the liberal bourgeois republic and the Soviet government. These two types of statehood, the authorities were different in ideology, social and economic aspirations. They belonged to two different civilizations.

October was the civilization choice of the Russian people. February, which was represented by the Cadet liberals (the future ideologues of the White movement) and the Menshevik Marxists, who considered themselves "the power of Europe", represented the Western model of development, civilization. They quite persistently called the Bolsheviks "the power of Asia", "Asiatic". Also, some philosophers, ideologists identified Bolshevism with Slavophilism, the Russian "Black Hundreds". Thus, the Russian philosopher N. Berdyaev repeatedly said: “Bolshevism is much more traditional than is customary to think. He agrees with the peculiarity of the Russian historical process. Russification and orientalization of Marxism took place ”(orientalism, from the Latin. Orientalis - Eastern, giving the Eastern character). In Russia, Marxism became Russian communism, which absorbed the fundamental principles of the Russian civilization matrix.

Fevralist-Westerners and whites did not have full support in any major social group of Russia. The pro-Western elite and intelligentsia of Russia saw the ideal in a liberal-bourgeois republic based on civil liberties and a market economy (capitalism). And the ideal of the liberal-bourgeois state was incompatible with the ideals of the overwhelming majority of the people, except for the social elite of the society, the bourgeoisie, large and medium-sized owners. The peasants preserved the patriarchal ideal of a family-society (Christian commune) living on the basis of conscience and truth. The workers, for the most part just emerged from the peasant class, maintained the outlook of the communal peasants.

The civil war showed that the people are behind Russian Bolshevism, as an expression of the Russian civilization matrix. The white project, in fact, pro-Western, tried to make Russia part of a “sweet, enlightened Europe” and was defeated.
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  1. +4
    28 February 2019 05: 18
    The white project, in fact, pro-Western, tried to make Russia part of a “sweet, enlightened Europe” and was defeated.
    The people made their choice. Article plus.
    1. -1
      28 February 2019 07: 34
      Quote: Destiny
      The people made their choice. Article plus.

      THEN the people made a choice ... And now? Does anyone offer us any choice? has the Western (individualistic) model really won? Maybe it's not the people but the leader?
      1. -9
        28 February 2019 08: 59
        Quote: aybolyt678
        THEN the people made a choice ... And now? Does anyone offer us any choice? has the Western (individualistic) model really won? Maybe it's not the people but the leader?

        Why then ?! The people almost always have the leader they deserve for one reason or another. Speaking about "the people made their choice" you again, like the overwhelming majority of your comrades in the struggle, cannot but speak on behalf of the people. Who authorized you to do this, I am already tired of asking the question and not only to you .. I would like to ask you something else - which people made their choice? Maybe I don't know and he really authorized you to speak on his own behalf? Before you start putting your cons, I would ask people to think so, what kind of people are they? The entire top of the Bolsheviks is so international (to put it mildly) that there are just two Russians there. There were entire subdivisions of internationalists in the Red Army, while so many have been said about the most rabid ones that I don't want to repeat myself. Many of them were formed from captured military personnel who fought against the Russian Empire! This is generally beyond the bounds ... In addition to the Bolshevik leaders proper, the commissars, commanders, security officers are entirely internationalists! This is what they, for the most part, carried out punitive measures against the Russian mass uprisings that broke out against the Bolshevik government throughout the country! At the same time, gas was often used as a weapon of mass destruction. So forgive what or what kind of peoples are they actually talking about? Of course, as always, you can simply answer "lying, the enemy of the communists and the henchman of capitalism and imperialism, there was no such thing because it never happened," or just tidy up the minuses, but you've done it more than once. I would very much like to hear arguments refuting my "lies". In any case, thank you all for your attention.
        1. +4
          28 February 2019 09: 43
          Quote: Cheslav Czursky
          In addition to the Bolshevik leaders themselves, the commissars, commanders, and Chekists are entirely internationalists!

          Sounds piquant considering that in the Red Army from 90% to 100% of division commanders, commanders of armies and fronts and their chiefs of staff were tsarist officers and generals. Were they "completely internationalists"?
          On the other hand, whites also carried out punitive measures against the Russian mass uprisings that broke out against the White Guard authorities throughout the country! And they often used gas as a weapon of mass destruction. What nation did the white officers belong to?
          1. -4
            28 February 2019 10: 43
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Sounds piquant considering that in the Red Army from 90% to 100% of division commanders, commanders of armies and fronts and their chiefs of staff were tsarist officers and generals. Were they "completely internationalists"?

            Yes, there was such an order from Bronstein, after which military experts began to be put on command positions in the Red Army. At the same time, the military expert's family was under vigilant control. The military expert himself was controlled by the commissar. Without the signature of the commissioner, the order of the military expert was invalid, that says about everything. During the civil war, the Red Army served about 75 former officers. For the most part, these were representatives of the intelligentsia (liberal-minded), graduates of warrant officers' schools to replace the regular officers of the monarchists killed and wounded on the fronts of the First World War. Of the 000 commanders, 20 were military experts, out of 17 army commanders, 100 were military experts. The percentage of those who were transferred to the White Army was much less than that of the Red Army. You can't assign a commissioner to every Red Army soldier. The Whites naturally used gas against the Reds, just as the Reds did it regularly in combat. There are no significant facts about the use of chemical weapons by the Beli against the civilian population. At the same time, I want to say that if you think that I have some kind of sympathy for the White movement as such, you are very mistaken. I cannot feel this in particular for the generals and officers of the Februaryists who have changed their oaths. And such generals as Alekseev and Ruzsky, who had betrayed the Tsar, soon regretted it. The notes of Lieutenant General K.V. Sakharov, who also betrayed his oath and gave a telegram for his abdication, about the mood of the people. He wrote about the disappointment with which the peasants met the White Army in 82: "The Russian land has risen. For what are they ready to give their blood, sacrifice their lives and families? Not for the parties and not for the cheap slogans of the socialists do they go into mortal battle with the International ... They say, "We must end this case. How they destroyed our land. They did not need a king. You see, the authorities themselves wanted. All the enemies of the tsarist must be exterminated ... "The version that the White Army is marching with priests and banners and singing Christ is Risen was very widespread among the peasants ... Then K. V. Sakharov writes:" Five weeks later when I arrived at the front , the peasants conveyed their thoughts to me when I bypassed our military positions west of Ufa: "You see, Your Excellency, what a bad luck. But the people were completely dreaming, they thought the end of the torment. They heard with the white army. Mikhail Leksandrovich himself is walking again. He has mercy on everyone, gives everyone land ... the Orthodox people revived the commissars, even in some places they began to beat them. Everyone was waiting for ours to come, there was a little more patience ... But in reality it turned out not that right! Let me remind you that a man who betrayed the Tsar wrote about this with sorrow.
            However, in the ranks of the whites it was not only the Republicans who were fighting, but people of monarchical convictions who remained faithful to the oath and honor of the officer — Generals Markov, Kappel, Krasnov, Wrangel, Kolchak, Diterikhs. Colonels Drozdovsky, Gershelman, Glazenap, Kiriyenko and thousands of other loyal officers.
            "The tsar must appear only when the Bolsheviks are over, when the bloody struggle that lies ahead of their overthrow subsides. The tsar must not only enter Moscow on a white horse, he must not have the blood of civil war on him - and he must appear a symbol of reconciliation and supreme grace. " Ruler of the South of Russia Peter Nikolaevich Wrangel
            1. -1
              28 February 2019 15: 31
              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              The family of the military specialist was under vigilant control.

              Judging by the recorded information - only on paper.
              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              There are no significant facts about the use of chemical weapons by whites against civilians.

              As well as red.
              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              But in fact, it turned out wrong!

              And what exactly happened?
              Sakharov’s words are also confirmed from the red side:
              “Despondency and complete hopelessness reigned everywhere, and people did not even hide their despair and in casual conversations openly complained that the Bolsheviks had brought them with their requisitions and all their policies to complete ruin, full of poverty, ... No one hid their hatred of the new regime, and everyone was waiting for liberation from the outside, from the French, the British, the Germans ... It was amazing that no one was afraid to speak out loud about their hatred of the Bolsheviks and about their “counterrevolutionary” hopes and desires. " (G.A. Solomon).
              But when this "who" came, the Russian people no longer waited for the "who" to desecrate "them from those who came, but they themselves took up arms, giving the Reds the opportunity only to consolidate the victory ...
              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              the oaths and honor of the officer remaining true - Generals Markov, Kappel, Krasnov, Wrangel, Kolchak,

              Others - well, BUT Krasnov !!! If what he did is a fidelity to honor and oath, then dishonor and betrayal as concepts in this world do not exist ...

              Quote: Cheslav Czursky
              The Tsar must appear ... The Tsar ... must enter Moscow on a white horse ... ". The ruler of the south of Russia Pyotr Nikolaevich Wrangel


              "Russia is not a Romanov patrimony!" (Petr Nikolaevich Wrangel)
              1. -10
                28 February 2019 19: 43
                Sugar, I'm reading you and marveling. So white peasants were poisoned by gas and that’s it! Well, about the Reds, it is widely known about the use of gas against the Tambov peasants, as well as the taking of hostages by the families of the rebels and simply sympathizing peasants with their mass executions. Can you bring anything at least close with respect to white? And what did the Bolsheviks do with the Tambov region ?!
                1. -7
                  28 February 2019 20: 27
                  And now, what else I wanted to say, why did you bring here this phrase really spoken by Wrangel? What does this confirm !? Wasn't Wrangel a monarchist to the bone? Did he change the oath? No, he did not change his beliefs until the end of his life. And this phrase is probably the result of his personal experiences. Many then monarchist officers perceived renunciation with bewilderment. Many believed that another emperor should ascend to the throne. They could not know all the details. Even brutally shooting the royal family, the Bolsheviks at first tried with a fright to hide the fact of their atrocities. May the Lord rest the innocently slaughtered princes, the prince and the king with the queen, who remained to the end by them faithful people in his kingdom. Low bow.
                  1. +2
                    1 March 2019 17: 13
                    The oath, if the question is put this way, has not been changed by anyone, except for a few top generals. But since the "object" of the oath by his lawless act freed all subjects from it, the question could not stand like that in principle.
                    Quote: Halado romane
                    Many then monarchist officers perceived renunciation with bewilderment.

                    Even more - with joy. "They rejoiced as at Easter."
                    Quote: Halado romane
                    Many believed that another emperor should ascend to the throne.

                    This is closer to the truth, but very little. Many believed that the emperor should not exist at all, or he should reign, but not rule.

                    Quote: Halado romane
                    They could not know all the details

                    For example, what?
                2. 0
                  28 February 2019 23: 19
                  Quote: Halado romane
                  it’s widely known that gas was used against the Tambov peasants,

                  And you can be more specific where when they poisoned.
                  I know three cases:
                  - when attacking at night, the Reds fired gas shells at the attacking cavalry.
                  -fired at a section of the forest where Antonov is supposed to be, the dead were not found, three live horses were found (one of Antonov himself)
                  -After returning from the Polish campaign, they threw off planes.
                  At the same time, in order not to poison cattle, the local population was warned in advance where they would poison.
                  This is not Western democracy, where the gases in the crowd.
                  Anyway, if you took it from Wikipedia, then from fiction from B.V. Sennikova. The Tambov uprising of 1918-1921, as it’s not possible to get to know the originals, because Boris Vladimirovich refers to the mysterious “author’s archive” allegedly found by him under the floor of the Winter Church of the Kazan Monastery in Tambov, and that the texts themselves do not withstand any criticism, no docking and error.
                  1. -2
                    1 March 2019 10: 14
                    Read the prikam of the command of the troops of the Tambov province # 0116 printed in typographical print run. Signed by Tukhachevsky and Kakurin. In addition to 250 cylinders of chlorine, the Communists also demanded air bombs. But it turned out that there are none in the warehouses. But firing was carried out by chemical shells. This is one of the first examples or even the first use of gases in suppressing the performances of one’s own people.
                    1. +1
                      1 March 2019 17: 29
                      This order on the "or even the first" use of gases to suppress the actions of their own people is dated June 12, 1921.
                      And before this "first":
                      "April 1919
                      You can’t enter right away, because in addition to barrels of melinite, we installed eleven shells with suffocating gas. These shells are quite large in size and painted, in contrast to simple ones, in blue.
                      It is necessary to check the results of the underground explosion; just in case, we take handkerchiefs soaked in water with us as some protection from gases: in case they have not evaporated yet. Not far from the entrance, we notice that the floor, walls and ceiling are covered with a thick layer of soot and soot. It must have been bad for Messrs. to the Bolsheviks! "(A.A. Stolypin)

                      Then: "A Czech battery and an armored car fired at the village of Biryusa and Kontorka with shells with asphyxiant gases." (P.D. Krivolutsky, "Shitkinsky partisans")

                      "With the knowledge of Rozanov, units of the Czechoslovak corps in June 1919 shelled the partisan areas of the Taishet district (Shitka partisan front) of the village of Biryusa, St. Akul'shet. More than two hundred local residents and partisans died from poisoning. the end of the punitive operation, they were loaded into the "echelons of death." (A. Lifantyev, "Essays on the Shitkin Partisans")

                      "" Since the end of 1920, the artillery has focused all its attention on the destruction of the aul [Gimry]. The shooting was carried out with a bomb, grenade, shrapnel and chemical shells. ... During the operation, 1.333 shells were fired in the aul, of which: 3-inch field grenade 343 Shrapnel "" 155 Chem. 3-inch shells 217 Bombs 6-inch 394 Shrapnel 6-inch 62 Bombs 48-line 142 Shrapnel 48 lines. 19"
                      (Todorsky A. Red Army in the mountains. Actions in Dagestan).
                3. +2
                  1 March 2019 17: 05
                  Halado, how amazed I am to read you!
                  Quote: Halado romane
                  Can you bring anything at least close with respect to white?

                  You would also ask whether it is possible to bring the facts of the creation of the concentration camps by the Germans in World War II, while the facts of their creation by the British in the Boer are widely known!
                  If you used gases and took hostages EVEN red, how could this not be done by white ?! It just doesn't fit in my head.

                  I answer your question - CAN! And even NEEDED. So that from now on there would be SUCH questions.
                  Milking start read at least Stolypin.
          2. 0
            28 February 2019 10: 59
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            What nation did the white officers belong to?

            to internationalists laughing
            1. 0
              28 February 2019 12: 08
              Quote: aybolyt678
              to internationalists

              No. In that case, to the Republicans - Liberals - Socialists - Democrats. They carried out a coup - the Bolsheviks carried out a coup. Then they shot each other. Then the Bolsheviks shot each other and a lot of outsiders. Now everything goes on a knurled one. And one and the other, as always, are in opposition. I hope the second and third acts of this "Marlyson Ballet" will not happen in the absence of the first.
              1. +3
                28 February 2019 13: 25
                Quote: Felix Beinarovich
                They made a coup — the Bolsheviks made a coup.

                strange, but did you hear the Socialist-Revolutionaries, Esdeks, anarchists and many other other things ??? wassat and even half a year after October, everything was less or less peaceful, as far as possible in a country with a disowned king and dispersed government and a bunch of foreign agents sowing unrest. There were no more than 10% of all revolutionaries in the Revolutionary Military Council in October 17.
                Internationalists are people of different nationalities united by a common goal.
                1. -4
                  28 February 2019 14: 51
                  Strange, have you heard of the Constituent Assembly election? Really did not hear who dispersed him and why? Maybe you heard such an interesting slogan - we will turn the imperialist war into a civil war? But wasn’t Lenin and Marx talking about the midwife of history? With your comment in general, what did you want to say?
          3. -2
            28 February 2019 11: 24
            Even more piquant is the operation "Spring", which expressed deep "gratitude" to the military experts.
          4. +4
            28 February 2019 23: 55
            By the way, it was White who started the terror. Moreover, the terror was planned even before the coming of the Reds to power. Read the memoirs "Grannies of the Russian counter-revolution Berg"
    2. +3
      28 February 2019 07: 37
      Nothing of the kind. There was no choice * of a civilizational path *. The temporary ones immediately after coming to power began to divide RUSSIA into zones of occupation by the Allies of the Entente, and the Germans * were ceded * to the territories of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE since the Germans were already there.
      The Germans started the war so that on * legal * grounds the RUSSIAN EMPIRE became a colony. As the British did with India.
      The British and French carried out a February coup to finally seize and divide the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. The tsar began to interfere with them not by his behavior-politics, but by the fact that he had too many relatives among the Germans, and they were afraid to miss.
      The people made their choice to the * civilizational path * the choice is not related. THE PEOPLES OF RUSSIA did not want to be destroyed like the Indians in America or the blacks in Africa.
    3. -10
      28 February 2019 08: 37
      The white project, in fact, pro-Western, tried to make Russia part of a “sweet, enlightened Europe” and was defeated.
      The people are grass under the wind. Stronger wind, more slopes. And yes, the choice is made ... look at the flag over the Kremlin and the coat of arms on the coins.
      1. BAI
        +4
        28 February 2019 09: 15
        It is not the flag and coat of arms on the towers that determine consciousness. Where necessary - the stars stayed.
        1. +1
          28 February 2019 10: 47
          Quote: BAI
          It is not the flag and coat of arms on the towers that determine consciousness. Where necessary - the stars stayed.

          As for the stars, they remained only as identification marks in the Russian Aerospace Forces, but even then they are planning to replace them with dotted ones as it is now on some SU-57.
          1. BAI
            +3
            28 February 2019 10: 51
            A red star will still remain a red star, no matter how distorted it is.

            1. +1
              28 February 2019 11: 14
              You presented a photo with a new star of the Russian army, a dotted star with a vertical gap, but this is not the final version of the star, since this star is ultimately three-colored.
      2. -3
        28 February 2019 09: 15
        Quote: kalibr
        The white project is essentially pro-Western,

        Of course it is, but not all. Part simply eager for power. At the same time, the warring parties do not need to be generalized. Among the whites were not only pro-Western liberals whose hands actually actually made the February revolution. The monarchists also joined them in the civil war, not because of political convictions, but because of the unacceptability of the Bolshevik ideology for them. Among the reds there were far from not only ideological fighters but also internationalists, most of whom were dumb earners, or rather robbed Russia, and then safely dumped into their bourgeois countries. They did not need any communism for nothing! Subsequently, almost all of them fought in Nazi Germany against the Red Army.
      3. +4
        28 February 2019 11: 05
        Quote: kalibr
        The people are grass under the wind. Stronger wind, more slopes. And yes, the choice is made ... look at the flag over the Kremlin and the coat of arms on the coins.

        an ambiguous phrase, and if you look at whose cars the streets are filled? whose clothes are we wearing? whose phones and computers do we use? and finally, who owns the retail chains: IKEA, MERLIN, CONTINENT, AUCHAN, RED AND WHITE, HOLDIDISCOUNTER, DNS? etc.?
        or, I do not understand, maybe you mean 100 years ago?
        1. +1
          28 February 2019 17: 05
          Red and White is exclusively ours))) fives and magnets too ... remembered them and heartburn ..
      4. +6
        28 February 2019 13: 11
        kalibr "And yes, the choice has been made ... look at the flag over the Kremlin and the coat of arms on the coins.
        fellow
      5. 0
        1 March 2019 22: 24
        Quote: kalibr
        ... look at the flag over the Kremlin and the coat of arms on the coins.

        Probably, the diploma of higher education and the awards of their ancestors were thrown out ---- the emblem of the USSR is also there. The pension for the age of socialism is also returned.
  2. +6
    28 February 2019 05: 26
    Very correct article! The author was not afraid to equate Christian values ​​with the original Russian and Bolshevik values, this will certainly cause a storm of indignation, although I see the truth in this. I always believed that the moral code of the builder of communism originates in the 10 commandments of God. So to speak, historical development.
  3. +3
    28 February 2019 06: 10
    Those who carried out the February Revolution, the seizure of the USSR, staged "color revolutions" - Maidans on the territory of the former USSR, wanted to own the country, but turned out to be unworthy and incapable of owning the country. None of them, unlike the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters, was able to GIVE the country large-scale development, GIVE the people great social benefits, and sharply reduce the death rate of the people.
  4. -10
    28 February 2019 06: 47
    For some reason, not a word about the national composition of the Bolshevik leaders. This is the whole root cause of the struggle. It was not a civil war, but a war of the Orthodox and Judaizers.
    1. +8
      28 February 2019 07: 02
      And what national composition of Bolshevik leaders do you choose? Real or cooked up in the West for a bunch of obscure Jewish surnames?
      Lists like A. Dikiy's lists, where there are Jews in the SNK, VTsIK, etc. almost 90% are obtained in a very prosaic way. First, it is the registration of those who are not Jews as Jews. Secondly, this is the reduction in one list of people who were part of the Council of People's Commissars, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, etc. at different times. And thirdly, it is the removal of Russians from the lists. It is impossible not to note a couple more details that migrate from the book of A. Dikiy to her like. These are absolutely fantastic people's commissariats, such as the evacuation commissariat, state land or denominations. ... At the head of these fictitious Commissariats are fictitious people who, and how could it be otherwise, "are" Jews.
      1. -3
        28 February 2019 09: 12
        Putin V.V. at one time, he clearly and unequivocally said that 85% of the composition of the Council of People's Commissars was Jewish, and in this case the president’s words are trustworthy, and the world Jewish community agreed with this. One can only guess about the bizarre ties of Jewish communities and communities ...,
        1. +9
          28 February 2019 09: 44
          Putin, I remember, also said that in the USSR no products were produced more complicated than galoshes ...
          1. -5
            28 February 2019 09: 48
            do not confuse Jews with galoshes, and think about why galoshes were made and the role of Jews in their production
            1. +11
              28 February 2019 09: 52
              Nobody confuses Jews with galoshes and it’s not about them, but about lies in history. Including from the mouth of the president.
              1. -6
                28 February 2019 10: 01
                History is a scientific discipline, so there is no lie ..., is drawing a science ?, no., Just an instrument of cognition, and history is political drawing as we want and draw ....
                1. +4
                  28 February 2019 13: 53
                  Quote: wooja
                  History is a scientific discipline, so there is no lies.

                  That is, if I say, for example, that under Vladimir the Baptist the Slavs lived in Australia, will this be true? laughing
                  1. -4
                    28 February 2019 13: 59
                    and what is the truth? as you say, it will be so, and a beautiful drawing of the truth will only increase the impact, history-- all the same, scientific discipline, the form of a scientific and political presentation ....
                    1. -2
                      28 February 2019 21: 33
                      Quote: wooja
                      and what is the truth?

                      the truth is based on facts and their interpretation. Not to be confused with Truth! Knowledge and Opinion!
                      Quote: wooja
                      beautiful drawing of truth
                      - The CPSU drew, drew the Truth and DRAWED! There is one principle by which the truth can be determined - it is always unpleasant! They kill for truth, not their own strangers!
                      1. -3
                        28 February 2019 21: 45
                        facts...? Yes, you can interpret them as you like, the CPSU was a poor engineer, and her graphics were disgusting. Lies are no less disgusting and they also kill for them ...., lies and truth are just subjective assessments of an objective event (what really happened)
                2. 0
                  28 February 2019 21: 26
                  Quote: wooja
                  and history-- political plotting as we want and draw ....

                  Unfortunately, the result of historical events is a reality that we do not really want to accept. Therefore, it would be more accurate lol - that history draws our future. drinks
                  1. -2
                    28 February 2019 21: 33
                    drawings are drawn by draftsmen .... and a draftsman only drafts what they say and show him, but we live in reality and build it according to drawings ....
          2. +4
            28 February 2019 12: 53
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Putin, I remember, also said that in the USSR no products were produced more complicated than galoshes ...

            and also about meat, he said that there were livestock and there was no meat. I know for sure that this is not so.
        2. +1
          28 February 2019 23: 35
          Marquis, how many Russians do you think are in this room?

          “All but me and foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
          -You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.

          “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.

          —But all together they are Russians.
          1. 0
            28 February 2019 23: 43
            sad, and who are the Russians after that? , and Russophobia appears in a different light ....,
            1. 0
              28 February 2019 23: 54
              Quote: wooja

              sadly

              And who are the Americans, the Chinese, you can not talk about black Jews.
              1. 0
                1 March 2019 00: 05
                according to Kyustin’s quote, the Russians are powerful, they used to be called Rus, and the Americans, Chinese and Ethiopian Jews are peoples. A shattered society, a loss of unity ..., an unformed nation ...
          2. -1
            1 March 2019 02: 27
            Quote: naidas
            Marquis, how many Russians do you think are in this room?

            “All but me and foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
            -You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.

            “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.

            —But all together they are Russians.


            Please allow one more definition of Russians:
            "As far as a Russian person is, he is a Black Hundred. As far as a church man is, he is a Black Hundred. As far as he is international, he is not Russian!" (V.I.Ulyanov-Lenin)
      2. -10
        28 February 2019 09: 22
        Irina, is Trotsky really one of the Tambov peasants ?! Stalin, too, no matter how very Russian, gave this "Tambov ktestian" the palm, as a hero who organized the revolution. In general, were Russian peasants in the Bolshevik government?
        1. +1
          28 February 2019 09: 33
          The head of the country himself, the "president", was a peasant.
        2. -3
          28 February 2019 09: 53
          Trotsky, almost a peasant, of the successful Bronstein grain traders, very successfully married a relative of either the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers ... such are our peasants
          1. +2
            28 February 2019 13: 55
            Almost is almost, Trotsky is Trotsky, and the talk about the head of state of the USSR is the original Russian peasant.
            1. -3
              28 February 2019 14: 05
              Is Kalinin perhaps a peasant origin, a specialty is a servant, but sadly he worked as a servant, life is sometimes unpredictable ..., Lomonosov is also a Pomarine fisherman, so what are the achievements of this head of state?
              1. +2
                28 February 2019 16: 00
                Colossal.
                1. -3
                  28 February 2019 16: 03
                  yes, colossal, das is fantastic, colossal !!!!!! uh, uh ...
      3. -7
        28 February 2019 09: 29
        Irina, why talk a lot? You just give the Russian list of the first Bolshevik government, naturally without throwing Communists by nationality out of it? And from your lips I would very much like to hear a list of faithful Leninists who were subsequently shot by Comrade Stalin as enemies of the people, traitors and Western spies! This is how they then in this case fought against intervention, so to speak, easier than their employers? Stalin could not be wrong!
    2. 0
      28 February 2019 07: 51
      Quote: kiril1246
      For some reason, not a word about the national composition of the Bolshevik leaders.

      Before writing this, study the national composition of students of higher educational institutions of Russia at that time. Despite the total number of Jews at 4 percent of Russia's population, most of them studied at many universities. These are the traditions. And there is no tragedy in this. The tragedy of the Judaizers began with Yagoda, who did everything to ensure that representatives of Jewish nationality were at key posts, regardless of personal qualities.
      1. -3
        28 February 2019 08: 01
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Before writing this, study the national composition of students of higher educational institutions of Russia at that time. Despite the total number of Jews at 4 percent of Russia's population, most of them studied at many universities. These are the traditions.

        It’s strange to hear about such traditions, there was a percentage rate at the time. And you say that in spite of it, there were a majority of Jews in some universities? Do you think that some are smarter than others?
        1. -4
          28 February 2019 09: 32
          Quote: kiril1246
          It’s strange to hear about such traditions, there was a percentage rate at the time.

          The percentage rate, as well as military service for the Jews, was optional
  5. -8
    28 February 2019 06: 53
    Lenin rightly noted on December 2, 1919: "World imperialism, which caused us, in essence, a civil war and is guilty of prolonging it ..."

    And what could he say to dump everything from a sore head to a healthy one?
    Do not remember the same. that before the Civil War thief-did not havewhat she started 25 October 1917 g?

    Why. with what fright, tens of millions of people who at the elections have chosen another power, they had to obey minority who suffered a crushing defeat in the election?

    No wonder the Bolsheviks were afraid of elections, like fire, my whole story...
    1. +8
      28 February 2019 07: 07
      That’s the whole point that the enemies of the Bolsheviks unleashed the Civil War after the October Revolution in order to regain their parasitism and enrichment at the expense of Russia and the Russian people, and raging against the Bolsheviks, captured the USSR to parasitize and enrich themselves at the expense of the country and people, and again unleashed Civil war, if someone wants to rob them of a freebie.
      And what is this nonsense about "other power"? And what kind of nonsense is there that the Russian people choose this advantageous only to the enemies of the communists, and to the detriment of the country and the people of power and the System?
      1. -8
        28 February 2019 07: 54
        Quote: tatra
        This is the whole point that the enemies of the Bolsheviks unleashed the Civil War after the October Revolution

        Nevrag of the Communists, you do not catch the connection? Before the thief, there was no Gr. war, after it appeared.
        WHY did the power of the Bolsheviks have to recognize TENS of millions of people who did not elect them anywhere? Do not get the question?
        1. +8
          28 February 2019 08: 42
          Quote: Olgovich
          WHY did the power of the Bolsheviks have to recognize TENS of millions of people who did not elect them anywhere?

          Tell me. If you get something sick, which doctor will you go to? To the one who graduated from the institute or to the one who bought the diploma in the transition? The answer is obvious to those who have studied for seven years. So why are you governing the country, on which the life of every citizen in it depends, with such ease want to transfer to a managerically illiterate people?

          First you need to give basic knowledge of management, and only then - the right to choose a manager. But as soon as the people receive this knowledge, the parasites will no longer be able to rob the people.



          "... ME Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote about this as follows:" A man is not even afraid of internal politics, because he simply does not understand it. No matter how you pester him, he will still think that this is not "internal politics ", but simply a divine allowance, like a pestilence, hunger, flood, with the only difference that this time the embodiment of this allowance is a pompadour. Does he need to understand what domestic politics is? - opinions on this matter can be different, but I, for my part, say bluntly: beware, gentlemen! because as soon as the peasant understands what domestic politics is - ni-ni, c'est fini! ”(you will end).
          - That is, M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin was convinced that: If society understands what "domestic politics" is, then it will become impossible to abuse its ignorance in the field of sociology, as a result of which the policy will inevitably change qualitatively ... "Excerpt from the book of the USSR VP:" Foundations of Sociology ".
          1. -2
            28 February 2019 09: 10
            Quote: Boris55
            So why are you governing the country, on which the life of every citizen in it depends, with such ease want to transfer to a managerically illiterate people?

            Quote: Boris55
            So why do you rule the country, on which the life of every citizen in it depends, with such ease you want convey managerially to an illiterate people?

            Who gave you the rights to determine when, what and to whom? Define Who is literate enough, who isn’t? None! Smarter people were ....

            By the way, the first, the so-called. "SNK" - gathering never worked anywhere by anyone and uncontrolled oversized lobsters. So they did, learning and experimenting.

            PS "Mom, send MONEY !!" (the over-aged Ulyanov appealed to his mother a pensioner from Paris. Zurich, Geneva, etc.). And slalom, containing a tourist, his Lamprey and her mother ....
            1. +7
              28 February 2019 09: 24
              Quote: Olgovich
              Determine- Who is literate enough, who is not?

              How competent we are in management can be judged by who we chose to manage us. If you are satisfied with the laws adopted by our chosen ones: increasing VAT, increasing utility bills, pension reform, etc., then we have a different view of our literacy in administration.
              1. -3
                28 February 2019 09: 56
                Quote: Boris55
                How competent we are in management can be judged by who we chose to manage us. If you are satisfied with the laws adopted by our chosen ones: increasing VAT, increasing utility bills, pension reform, etc., then we have a different view of our literacy in administration.

                What does this have to do with TOPIC? No ...
                1. +3
                  28 February 2019 10: 52
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What does this have to do with TOPIC? No ...

                  It was you who first touched on the topic of elections: "WHY should the power of the Bolsheviks be recognized by TENS of million people who have not elected them ANYWHERE?"
                  1. -1
                    28 February 2019 12: 27
                    Quote: Boris55
                    It was you who first touched on the topic of elections: "WHY should the power of the Bolsheviks be recognized by TENS of million people who have not elected them ANYWHERE?"

                    I ask again: what is the relation
                    Quote: Boris55
                    laws adopted by our chosen ones: increase in VAT, increase in utility billspension reform and
                    has to ....1917 g ?! belay lol
          2. +2
            28 February 2019 10: 15
            Quote: Boris55
            If society understands what “internal politics” is, then it will become impossible to abuse its ignorance in the field of sociology, as a result of which politics will inevitably change qualitatively ... "

            politics has changed qualitatively. The people have no opportunity to influence her
            1. 0
              28 February 2019 12: 09
              Quote: aybolyt678
              politics has changed qualitatively. The people have no opportunity to influence her

              If this statement of yours were true, then we would never have a freebie TV and haliba radio stations.
              1. +1
                28 February 2019 21: 40
                Quote: Boris55
                then we would never have a freebie TV and freebie radio stations.

                Halyav - is it from Haley, milk that was given free of charge in the synagogues?
                you have deviated from the topic, I insist that politics has changed and TV and radio stations are instruments of power for the formation of public opinion, in order to manage it. Therefore, power affects us through them, but we do not!
        2. +10
          28 February 2019 09: 16
          Quote: Olgovich
          WHY did the power of the Bolsheviks have to recognize TENS of millions of people who did not elect them anywhere? Do not get the question?

          In my opinion, this does not reach you. If the citizens of Russia did not support the Bolsheviks, their (Bolsheviks) power would not last even a few days. The people supported the Bolsheviks and, as a result, the Reds defeated the civil war, and the white fled abroad under the financing of Hitler, the USA, France and Britain, splashing out tons of lies and lies against the Soviet system and people, including the Russian people. And it is a fact!
          1. -5
            28 February 2019 10: 01
            Quote: solzh
            In my opinion, this does not reach you.

            And it didn’t reach you, for you are not able to answer the SIMPLE question:
            WHY did the Bolshevik authorities have to recognize TENS of millions of people who NEVER EVER elected them?
            ...
            Quote: solzh
            And this is a fact!
            .
            factis a catastrophe of 91 g, today's borders of Russia and the Russian Cross:
            ALL these are the "achievements" of the RULING PARTY ONLY.
            1. +4
              28 February 2019 21: 46
              Quote: Olgovich
              And it didn’t reach you, for you are not able to answer the SIMPLE question:
              WHY did the Bolshevik authorities have to recognize TENS of millions of people who NEVER EVER elected them?

              this power was recognized, in the 20s, whether it was chosen or not it did not matter. Another is that under the dissatisfaction with the authorities in the 80s and under the desire for change, Perestroika was carried out by which the AUTHORITY WANTED! but the people are not!wassat But it seems that they are completely different authorities!
              1. -4
                1 March 2019 09: 20
                Quote: aybolyt678
                this power was recognized, in the 20s, whether it was chosen or not it did not matter.

                Important. NO country had so many MILLIONS of internal enemies of the people than the "people's" lol authorities.
                1. 0
                  1 March 2019 12: 07
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Important. NONE of the countries had so many MILLIONS of internal enemies of the people than the "people's" government.

                  More specifically, how many millions ?? what years?
                  1. -2
                    1 March 2019 12: 43
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    More specifically, how many millions ?? what years?

                    If you don’t know, there’s nothing to talk about, then there’s no educational program.
                  2. -4
                    1 March 2019 12: 43
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    More specifically, how many millions ?? what years?

                    If you don’t know, there’s nothing to talk about, then there’s no educational program.
                  3. -4
                    1 March 2019 12: 44
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    More specifically, how many millions ?? what years?

                    If you don’t know, there’s nothing to talk about, then there’s no educational program.
                    1. +1
                      1 March 2019 13: 09
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      If you don’t know, there’s nothing to talk about, then there’s no educational program.

                      I know if I would teach you a math lesson Yes
                      1. -3
                        1 March 2019 15: 04
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        I know if I would teach you a math lesson

                        if in the course, do not ask stupid questions.
                  4. -3
                    1 March 2019 12: 44
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Important. NONE of the countries had so many MILLIONS of internal enemies of the people than the "people's" government.

                    More specifically, how many millions ?? what years?

                    If you don’t know, there’s nothing to talk about, then there’s no educational program.
            2. +4
              28 February 2019 23: 02
              Quote: Olgovich
              And it didn’t reach you, for you are not able to answer the SIMPLE question:
              WHY did the Bolshevik authorities have to recognize TENS of millions of people who NEVER EVER elected them?

              Enough to speculate on the fact that supposedly no one chose the Bolsheviks anywhere.
              Have you forgotten about the Tips? Which workers, soldiers and peasants, in February-March 1917 created for management and which supported the whole people?
              Dual power arose in the country: the interim government and the Soviets, but as a result of the anti-people policy of the interim government and the betrayal of the interests of the workers by the Menshevik leadership of the first Soviets, the latter supported the Bolsheviks and elected them to their leadership. After this, the Soviets, under the leadership of the Bolsheviks, took power into their own hands throughout the country. The triumphal march of Soviet power is a fact. Advice - this was the power of the people, and this is also a fact.
              1. -4
                1 March 2019 09: 22
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Enough to speculate on the fact that supposedly no one chose the Bolsheviks anywhere.
                Have you forgotten about the Tips? Which workers, soldiers and peasants, in February-March 1917 created for management and which supported by all the people?

                Grab an EMPTY chatter-agitation.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                the first Soviets, the latter supported the Bolsheviks and elected them to their leadership.

                Lying.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                After this, the Soviets, under the leadership of the Bolsheviks, took power into their own hands throughout the country.

                False
                Quote: Alexander Green
                The triumphal march of Soviet power is a fact

                False
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Advice - this was the power of the people, and this is also a fact.

                Lying.
                1. 0
                  1 March 2019 12: 12
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  False

                  you’ve just never been a boss at a state-owned enterprise. I was. 36 people subordinates, for all in the answer. And everything is responsible. And people, you know ... a hybrid of a rat with a monkey, which has wolf genes and knows how to talk, sometimes with caution, and sometimes it is strictly necessary. And they substitute and poison.
                  1. -1
                    1 March 2019 15: 06
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    you are just the boss were not never at a state-owned enterprise

                    lol
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    people, you know .... a rat hybrid with a monkey, who has wolf genes and knows how to speak,

                    What a nightmare, what's wrong with you ?!
                2. +2
                  1 March 2019 21: 49
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Lying.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Lying.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Lying.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Lying.

                  No matter how much you say "HALVA", your mouth will not become sweeter.
                  1. +1
                    1 March 2019 22: 44
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    .... How many do not say "HALVA" - in the mouth will not become sweeter.

                    Greetings, Alexander, Somewhere something stuck, the replays went. But earlier the replays were more interesting .....
                  2. -1
                    2 March 2019 09: 07
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    No matter how much you say "HALVA", your mouth will not become sweeter.

                    Therefore, you and BORING lol
                    1. +1
                      2 March 2019 23: 44
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Therefore, you and BORING

                      Well, if sent to you, then be proud, you are the only one.
    2. +5
      28 February 2019 07: 56
      Quote: Olgovich
      No wonder the Bolsheviks were afraid of elections, like fire, their whole history ..

      Yes, because there were very few literate Marxists. There are a lot of gorlopans.
      1. -6
        28 February 2019 08: 42
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Yes, because there were very few literate Marxists.

        Yes, because they knew a terrible result for themselves
        1. +3
          28 February 2019 11: 12
          Quote: Olgovich
          Yes, because they knew a terrible result for themselves

          Yes, because public consciousness is a hungry girl who does not know what she needs and knows what she wants, and this consciousness in those days needed to be turned over and formed, and this is not a generation
          1. -7
            28 February 2019 12: 37
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Yes, because public consciousness is a hungry girl who does not know what she needs and knows what she wants, and this consciousness in those days needed to be turned over and formed, and this is not one generation

            This is Who gave it the right to decide: what to turn over and whom to form ?! belay
            What kind of game?
            they could not form MYSELF, they were bitten, they killed, they brought up ebnov, and the great Russian people -didn't need in their manual.
            1. +6
              28 February 2019 13: 19
              Quote: Olgovich
              This is Who gave it the right to decide: what to turn over and whom to form ?!

              Nobody gives the Power Law, it can only be had or taken away. smile
              Quote: Olgovich
              and the great Russian people did not need their guidance.
              Great? - greatness is a slogan. Russian? - Russian is not a nationality, this is a property of the soul, it is a language and a cultural matrix with socially oriented thinking,. And bosses are not chosen laughing
              Quote: Olgovich
              they MYSELF were not able to form, they were bitten,

              the path to power is ALWAYS at the bones of competitors. wink
              Olgovich, you are one of those idealists who manipulate beautiful words without offering anything, Communism is a social device of the future, only it will not be based on universal prosperity and prosperity, but on the need to survive in conditions of lack of resources. And Russia, in spite of "untold" wealth, has long been living in conditions of shortage, due to their inaccessibility, the experience of the past teaches a lot.
              1. -6
                28 February 2019 14: 55
                Quote: aybolyt678
                the path to power is ALWAYS at the bones of competitors.

                Show me, WHERE the first composition of the SNK of the RSFSR, the first composition of the Politburo, the first composition of the SNK of the USSR, the 75% congress, the Central Committee, etc., were completely destroyed by their own.

                Good "teachers"! lol
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Olgovich, you are one of those idealists who manipulate beautiful words without offering anything,


                Where is there something proposed .... offer? belay
                We are discussing the ARTICLE of bygone days, remember!
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Communism is a social device the future,

                lol laughing
                1. +2
                  28 February 2019 21: 57
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Show me, WHERE the first composition of the SNK of the RSFSR, the first composition of the Politburo, the first composition of the SNK of the USSR, the 75% congress, the Central Committee, etc., were completely destroyed by their own.

                  the question is incomprehensible. In France, during the revolution, at first they cut off his head, then Robespierre, the Directory, and then Bonaparte were given to the British to eat. always so in revolutions!
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Where is there something proposed .... offer? belay
                  We are discussing the ARTICLE of bygone days, remember!

                  analogy as a method of knowing the world allows you to plan the future. The article is trying to find an analogy between yesterday and today. And this generally succeeds. You do not make a difference between the Central Committee 20x, 30x, 40, and up to the present day. And these are completely different eras. The goals and principles of these Central Committees were completely different. Nowadays, no one wants to head the very first Central Committee to change power.
                  1. -5
                    1 March 2019 09: 27
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    the question is incomprehensible. In France, during the revolution, at first they cut off his head, then Robespierre, the Directory, and then Bonaparte were given to the British to eat. always so in revolutions!

                    What was the "revolution" in 1937? WHERE has this been seen, as here? what france of the 18th century, what are you talking about?
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    analogy as a method of knowing the world allows you to plan the future. The article is trying to find an analogy between yesterday and today. And this generally succeeds. You do not make a difference between the Central Committee 20x, 30x, 40, and up to the present day. And these are completely different eras. The goals and principles of these Central Committees were completely different. Nowadays, no one wants to head the very first Central Committee to change power.

                    The article does not offer any analogies.

                    The Central Committee is all from one boiler, one ointment of myrrh.
                    1. +1
                      1 March 2019 14: 48
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The Central Committee is all from one boiler, one ointment of myrrh.

                      Is there anyone good and right for you? or will you smear them all with myrrh?
                    2. +3
                      1 March 2019 15: 04
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      What was the "revolution" in 1937? WHERE has this been seen, as here?

                      1937-38 It was a time when not only the “social elevator” was working, lifting people from the bottom to the highest leadership posts, but also the “social garbage chute”, in which unworthy representatives of the elite were dumped. The time when the "big bosses" were shot and their family members were imprisoned. About tempor about mores! smile
    3. +2
      28 February 2019 08: 09
      it’s true, the Bolsheviks took power, without any democratic procedures, it so happened, poorly, poorly, but they ruled the country, but they didn’t really need it ...., a paradox ..., for the most part, people are non-Russian, commercial, some suggested doing the base of world terrorism from Russia, others to start another world war ..., the compromise won ...-- t Stalin, but he was quickly put in place and all sins hung ..., Stalin's worst sin was an attempt to hold elections on an alternative based in 1936 ...,
    4. BAI
      +8
      28 February 2019 09: 24
      How much can I juggle? It is a well-known fact - the civil war began in the February Revolution, with the killings of policemen and officers in St. Petersburg. Further - just took on a different scale.
      1. -7
        28 February 2019 12: 47
        Quote: BAI
        How much can I juggle? Well-known fact - civil war started in February revolution, with the killings of police and officers in St. Petersburg.

        In Russia daily going around 50 Kills.
        Is, in your opinion, a Civil War? fool

        WHAT power fought with WHAT power until October? This is gr. war, not murder.
        Quote: BAI
        Next - just accepted other scales.

        Yeah: they just started to kill more police officers fool
        1. 0
          2 March 2019 09: 39
          Quote: Olgovich
          In Russia, about 50 murders occur daily.

          crime is a normal reaction of normal people to abnormal living conditions. The exception is 5% of people who are psychiatrist patients.
    5. -9
      28 February 2019 09: 33
      Quote: Olgovich
      Why. with what fright, the tens of millions of people who elected OTHER authority in the elections, had to submit to the minority, which suffered a crushing defeat in the elections?

      Olgovich, stop immediately! The Bolsheviks always know how the people are better, that's why they always broadcast on their behalf! And they always correct or try to correct people's mistakes, especially if they vote "wrong"!
    6. 0
      28 February 2019 09: 46
      The trick is that not only Lenin said this.
  6. +1
    28 February 2019 07: 46
    the author is pompous and why write in a difficult party style when the era of the party is over, it’s easier to be, easier ..., it was never a secret that the February revolution was paid by Britain ... and the Bolsheviks also drew from this feeder, there were no , the fact that the Bolsheviks won in October was a jamb of Februaryists, and the Bolsheviks put together a coalition and picked up power, though the government was a big surprise ...., as a result, the party returned to its roots - it sold everything ....
  7. +6
    28 February 2019 08: 18
    Civil war is not a war between white and red, as they try to convince us of this. On the one and the other side the same peasants fought. This is a war of some, for the right to continue to parasitize with impunity on the people and others, for the right to simply live. For reference. The almost general staff of the tsarist army sided with the Bolsheviks. More details about the participation of officers of the tsarist army on the side of the Bolsheviks in the Military District: https://topwar.ru/23528-oficery-i-generaly-carskoy-armii-na-sluzhbe-sovetskoy-respubliki.html “History does not condemn us, who remained at home and honestly performed our duty, but those who hindered this, forgot the interests of their country and sought out foreigners who are clear opponents of Russia in the past and in the future” - M.D. Bonch-Bruevich.

    In February there was a bourgeois coup, in October - the Trotskyist, who staged the genocide of the Russian people. The people's power began to be built by Stalin in the 1924 year.
    1. -1
      28 February 2019 09: 21
      The October 1917 coup is more to Trotsky’s merit, a good organizer, as far as Stalin is concerned, in 1924 he was one of many Bolsheviks, and Trotsky’s comrade-in-arms, he does not build power but is engaged in party work and weaves intrigues ....
      1. +5
        28 February 2019 09: 30
        Quote: wooja
        he does not build power, but is engaged in party work and weaves intrigue ...

        I wonder how the schemer won the war? laughing

        In 1924, after the death of Lenin, Stalin carried out the "Lenin call" to the party. As a result, the balance of power in the party was upset. The majority from the Trotskyists went to the Bolsheviks (all decisions in the party were made by a majority vote), which made it possible to stop the country's slide towards building a bourgeois society, carry out industrialization and prepare for the bloodiest war of the 20th century.
        1. +2
          28 February 2019 09: 38
          the war will be in 17 years, and intrigue .... is a necessary thing for coming to power.
      2. +1
        28 February 2019 10: 23
        Quote: wooja
        engaged in party work and weaves intrigue ....

        you will intrigue a lot of intrigues as the people's commissar for nationalities ... a position where there are many problems, a minimum of groundwork and influence.
        1. 0
          28 February 2019 10: 32
          the modest position of the Secretary General ... at that time was purely technical, but what was the potential, the selection of personnel with all the ensuing consequences ... and who was then interested in the national policy ...
    2. 0
      28 February 2019 23: 46
      Quote: Boris55
      Civil war is not a war between white and red

      I agree with this, with the rest of the doubt. The Civil War is a war for land and won who received the support of the majority of the population.
  8. -1
    28 February 2019 08: 38
    Quote: aybolyt678
    The author did not hesitate to equate Christian values ​​to the originally Russian and Bolshevik values, this will certainly cause a storm of indignation, although I see the truth in this. I have always believed that the moral code of the builder of communism originates in the 10 commandments of God. So say historical development.

    And here in Penza, the head of the local cell of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation again called for fighting religion ...
    1. +3
      28 February 2019 09: 11
      Quote: kalibr
      And here in Penza, the head of the local cell of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation again called for fighting religion ...

      Birthmarks are not so easy to get rid of.
      Hereditary genes make themselves felt. laughing
    2. +2
      28 February 2019 09: 27
      A true communist ... religion is opium for the people, tell drugs - no. as for the values ​​- the Bolsheviks, Russians, Christians ...., values ​​cannot leave anyone indifferent, and if they are still accessible and poorly lying ...., but they have no price ...
      1. 0
        28 February 2019 10: 56
        Quote: wooja
        A true communist ... religion is opium for the people

        in fact, at the time of the coup, religion had lost its influence, but values ​​really remained. And the Party took over the function of forming values, nor having the necessary personnel and traditions for this. Therefore, punctures. The Church’s loss of her influence is the result of her departure from the people and her concern for prosperity in heaven. Anti-religious slogans are not a call to study generally useless information, but to study Marxism. However, everyone understands the slogans in their own way.
    3. -3
      28 February 2019 10: 26
      Quote: kalibr
      And here in Penza, the head of the local cell of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation again called for fighting religion ...

      religion today, oddly enough, an island of morality, may be the only one. Culture has not been such for a long time
    4. +1
      1 March 2019 17: 27
      I think that it’s not necessary to fight religion, but anyone else’s free interpretations of this religion, this phrase amazes me. I know how you yourself, Vyacheslav Olegovich, wrote that you can not accurately convey other people's words, especially if you yourself did not hear. ???? In this case, maybe the construction of the phrase was different.
  9. 0
    28 February 2019 08: 56
    It's all good. Just what is this new "project"? Personally, I want my daughter to live normally. Without revolutions and other junk, "Deneg net, but you dare."
    1. +3
      28 February 2019 09: 15
      Quote: bandabas
      Just what is this new "project"?

      This is the great secret of all the bourgeois of the World, but we know it:

  10. +5
    28 February 2019 09: 16
    If you look at the history of that time, then the civil war began immediately after February. and began it, the outskirts of R.I. the same Finns, Balts, Caucasian peoples, and Little Russia joined them, in the person of the so-called Rada. in short, everyone ran, where. who is to the Germans, under the wing, who lay under the Entente. one RSDLP created power, and gave an ideology that satisfied almost all the nations of R.I. and this is her merit.
  11. 0
    28 February 2019 09: 31
    The civilization matrix, the sacredness of power — only Samsonov can use empty words. Like the article. Nothing new from Samsonov’s repertoire.
    1. 0
      28 February 2019 10: 33
      good comment
  12. -1
    28 February 2019 11: 07
    Quote: Olgovich
    fact is a catastrophe of 91 g, today's borders of Russia and the Russian Cross:
    ALL these are the "achievements" of the RULING PARTY ONLY.

    Since 2000, one party has ruled solely in Russia. Following your logic, the same year 1991 is waiting for our country.
    1. -3
      28 February 2019 13: 19
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Since 2000, one party has ruled solely in Russia. Following your logic, the same year 1991 is waiting for our country.

      There are TENS parties in Russia. In the USSR, ONE.
      Differences, of course, you do not see ..... lol
      1. +2
        1 March 2019 01: 42
        Quote: Olgovich
        There are TENS parties in Russia. In the USSR, ONE.
        Differences, of course, you do not see ....

        The main difference is not in the number of parties, but in the fact that in Russia "dozens" of bourgeois parties have established the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and in the USSR there was one party that established dictatorship of the proletariat. As soon as it was abandoned in the USSR in 1961, the restoration of capitalism began, ending with the establishment of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
        So: either the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, or the dictatorship of the proletariat - there is no other.
    2. +1
      28 February 2019 22: 05
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Since 2000, one party has ruled solely in Russia. Following your logic, the same year 1991 is waiting for our country.

      our country is waiting even worse than 1991. Mass stupidity, extinction, enslavement has been going on for a long time, but will take a different scale
      1. -1
        1 March 2019 09: 30
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Mass stupor, extinction, enslavement

        Yeah, and the empty streets when charging water in front of the TV set is a sign of a big mind.
        Extinction - since 1964, demographic catastrophe - since 1930
        1. +1
          1 March 2019 12: 05
          Quote: Olgovich
          Yeah, and the empty streets when charging water in front of the TV set is a sign of a big mind.

          And do not tell me at what time the broadcast of Energy is going on ?? laughing
          then there was a shortage of entertainment, here the people got hooked. Now money is in short supply, and no charged water can be attracted. Everyone feels that money is getting harder and harder and therefore unhappy, but you are right, you aren’t smart enough, before even the people were stupid even though Stalin was wise and thought for him, and now nobody cares about the people. The stupid the better.
  13. +4
    28 February 2019 11: 32
    The Februaryists did not have any civilization project, just stupid copying of Western patterns, just like now.))) If you remember whose dynasty is the founders of Westernism in Russia, then the Romanovs justly got it. Whatever the Bolsheviks, the author is right, they presented the project closest to the Russian archetype, naturally received a positive answer.
    1. -3
      28 February 2019 17: 02
      color coup paid by the British ..., the Russian archeotype .... what words,
  14. +2
    28 February 2019 17: 00
    The respected author is instantly recognizable - "matrix", "civilization" and so on ... but you can just express it less pretentiously ... in my opinion
    1. +1
      28 February 2019 18: 48
      old school styling
  15. 0
    28 February 2019 21: 42
    Eh, you read and understand - we have no allies except the army and navy
    1. 0
      28 February 2019 23: 33
      'it's bad that there are no allies ... that something went wrong, the army and the navy may simply not be enough, that the authorities are doing something wrong.
    2. 0
      28 February 2019 23: 51
      Quote: Mexican.29
      Eh, you read and understand - we have no allies except the army and navy

      It is a pity that in addition to these two, a third brain ally is missing in the heads.
  16. +1
    28 February 2019 23: 52
    The February "revolution" - in fact, one of the first "color" revolutions - the project of the World Behind the Scenes was mainly realized with money and with the ideological support of Britain. Here the goals of the British Empire - the ever-worst and permanent enemy of Russia and the World Behind the Scenes - of the formation of the richest and most influential people of the West, who believed that they and only they should decide and direct the financial and economic, and therefore political, development of the Oycumene ... The general task number 1 was to knock Russia out of the number of victorious countries on the eve of victory, to prevent Russia from gaining the promised Straits and further post-war growth of its industry, economy and influence. T e - "the policy of keeping Russia" in its pure form has not undergone significant changes to this day. Russia, both then and now, is perceived as a big cake, which for some reason does not belong to Mirva Behind the scenes, and therefore is divided and eaten by the wrong people. February is not a revolution in its purest form, but the first Maidan. It was successfully implemented, but ignominiously failed. Like most of the Maidans, the post-Maidan government turned out to be incapable of solving either domestic political, military or economic problems and fell under the burden of unresolved problems. Those who came to power were those who were able to raise the power dumped in the dust and lead the entire people of the Russian Empire, and not the nationally-oriented handfuls, to solid statehood, to order and prosperity. As a result, the Red Idea succeeded in solving the problem of a prosperous, world-wide, strong, united and indivisible Russia. But work to destroy the USSR continued and was crowned with partial success in 1991. Yeltsin's Russia - weak, torn apart by wonders and terror, unsuitable to support economic, scientific, military development, and capable only of serving as a semi-colonial raw material donor to the West quite suited the World Backstage. Putin's arrival broke all plans. Therefore, all those who speak out today from big or small minds against the President, willingly or unwillingly, are leading Russia back to the state of February, contributing to the implementation of the plans of the World Backstage. By the way, the World Backstage today, in contrast to February 1917, does not at all fulfill the plans of individual states, peoples or governments. Moreover, it often acts against the national interests of those states whose elite is part of the world behind the scenes.
  17. +5
    1 March 2019 01: 22
    The author tries to explain the February and October Revolutions of 1917 from liberal-bourgeois positions, but this only leads away from the truth. Revolutions are always of a class nature, and therefore must be considered from class positions.

    «... the revolution and civil war in Russia was generated not so much by class as by civilization conflict ”

    “February-March Revolution of 1917 (actually a palace coup, in consequence, the revolution was caused by a civilizational conflict. ”


    Firstly, the February revolution was not a palace coup; the bourgeoisie would not dare to present an ultimatum to the tsar if there were no armed workers and soldiers standing outside the windows.
    The proletarian masses took to the streets, who forced the monarchy to leave, but the big bourgeoisie took advantage of the results of the mass demonstrations.
    Secondly, when did this bourgeois state system come to be called Western? This is a natural development of the whole world of humanity. In the bowels of monarchist Russia, capitalism was already developing, and the monarchy really impeded its further development, therefore a transition to another form of government was needed, and this is natural

    “It was a disaster much worse than a fight with an external enemy, even with the most terrible. This war split civilization, people, families, and even the very person»


    It was not the war that split the people, the split occurred with the advent of the classes of the oppressors and the oppressed, since then the class struggle began, which from time to time escalated, then subsided. With the development of society, the class struggle also developed, and under capitalism, the oppressed class, thanks to the scientific theory of Marxism-Leninism, was able to take power into its own hands, and the civil war is just an acute phase of the class struggle, the severity of which depends on the balance of class forces. In Soviet Russia, the civil war took on a protracted nature only because of intervention by the interventionists.

    “In the class sense, the Mensheviks expressed the interests of the workers ...”, “... Georgian Marxists pursued a typical socialist policy”


    These are ordinary pearls.
    First of all. the Mensheviks expressed the interests of the petty bourgeoisie, and the Bolsheviks expressed the interests of the workers.
    Secondly, the nationalization of enterprises and the sale of land to peasants is not socialism. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production, land and mineral resources.

    PS The Great October Socialist Revolution does not need liberal bourgeois justification, because Marxists do not hide their goal - the destruction of private property, because all evil on earth is from private property ..
  18. +2
    2 March 2019 14: 18
    What a debate, right holivar. But the thesis that in a civil war is won by those whom the people supported White’s supporters to overturn will be problematic.
  19. 0
    5 March 2019 19: 15
    The main conclusion: for almost 100 years the Russian people, who are dying out in an organized manner, have been living in the Zionist occupation and do not yet know about it; almost all of them were hiding and are hiding under masks of Russian surnames. A civil war is when some Russian goyim zombified by the Zionists killed other Russian goyim - they killed about 30 million Russians ... Result: today, in the 21st century, in the richest country in the world with its natural resources for the most part, the Russian people live on the brink of poverty and survival ... They destroy systematically, systematically, brutally ... On Israeli websites today they print statements that during the Second World War, Russian traitors and Vlasovites killed 3 million Jews ... And according to the Talmud, for one murdered Jew, they destroy 1000 goyim ... So count themselves ... Russian people do not know their TRUE Russian history at all - it was all composed by the Germans and Zionists under the masks of Russian surnames ... And today Russians do not know the whole truth - the entire information space in Russia is secret Zionist, but they are all hiding behind masks Russian surnames, such as "Sobchak-Finkelstein" - their name is Legion.