How did the Northwest Army die

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How did the Northwest Army die

A.A. Deineka. Defense of Petrograd

Smoot. 1919 year. The offensive of the Northwest Army of Yudenich was choked a few steps from the old capital of Russia. The White Guards were very close to the outskirts of Petrograd, but never reached them. The fierce battle lasted 3 weeks and ended with the defeat of the whites. The troops of the North-Western Army on November 4 1919 began a retreat to the west. In the course of fierce battles, by the end of November, the remnants of the white troops were pressed against the Estonian border.

Defense of Petrograd


The main forces of the Yudenich army, which went on the attack on the Petrograd direction on October 10, 1919 (total about 19 thousand bayonets and sabers, 57 guns and about 500 machine guns, 4 armored trains and 6 tanks) with the support of Estonian troops and the British squadron, they quickly broke into the defense of the 7th Red Army, which did not expect an enemy attack, and in mid-October reached the distant approaches to Petrograd. On October 16, the White Guards captured Krasnoe Selo, on the 17th - Gatchina, on the 20th - Pavlovsk and Detskoe Selo (now Pushkin), reached Strelna, Ligovo and Pulkovo heights - the last defensive line of the Reds 12-15km from the city. The offensive of the 2nd Corps of the Northwest Army (NWA), which launched an attack on the Luga direction on September 28 and launched an attack on Pskov on October 10, was stopped at the turn of 20-30 km north of Pskov by the 40th.



The situation in the Petrograd region was critical. 7-I army was defeated and demoralized. Its units, having lost contact with the command, isolated from each other, retreated, in fact fled, without any resistance. Attempts by the Soviet command to stabilize the situation by introducing reserves into the battle were unsuccessful. The rear units had very low combat readiness, fell apart at the first contact with the enemy, or did not reach the front line at all.

October 15 1919 The Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) Decided to keep Petrograd. The head of the Soviet government, Lenin, called for the mobilization of all forces and means for the defense of the city. The direct leadership of the defense of Petrograd was led by Trotsky. The mobilization of workers between the ages of 18 and 40 was announced, and at the same time groups of communists, workers, and Baltic sailors were formed and sent to the front lines. Troops and reserves were transferred to Petrograd from the center of the country and other fronts. In total, from 15 October to 4 November 1919, 45 regiments, 9 battalions, 17 individual units, 13 artillery and 5 cavalry divisions, 7 armored trains, etc. and on the approaches to it. In a short time, 3 defensive lines were erected. They were reinforced with naval artillery - Baltic Fleet ships were introduced into the Neva. The 7-I Soviet Army, which was headed by Reliable from October 17, was put in order by the most stringent methods, regrouped and replenished.

Meanwhile, the situation of the NWA has worsened. The right flank of white did not manage to intercept the Nikolaev railway in time. This allowed the Red Command to continuously transfer reinforcements to Petrograd. In the Tosno region, the Reds began to form a Kharlamov strike group. On the left flank, the Estonians failed to seize the fort “Krasnaya Gorka” and other fortifications on the coast of the Gulf of Finland. Estonian forces and the British fleet were diverted to the offensive of the Bermondt-Avalov Western Volunteer Army in Riga. Perhaps this was just an excuse not to risk expensive ships in possible clashes with the forces of the Red Baltic Fleet and skirmishes with powerful coastal batteries. The British preferred to wage war with alien "cannon fodder."

In addition, London, pushing the NWA to Petrograd and not providing it with effective military and material support, at the same time subjugated the Baltic neoplasms. Estonia benefited from cooperation with England, political and military patronage, and economic assistance. Therefore, for its part, the Estonian government made every effort to consolidate ties with England. Britain, having established an actual protectorate over Estonia, did not stop there and in the person of Lloyd George conducted persistent negotiations with Estonia on a long-term lease of the islands of Ezel and Dago. The negotiations were successful and only the intervention of France, jealous of the success of the British, prevented England from creating a new base in the Baltic.

Estonians also negotiated with the Soviet government on the basis of recognition of Estonia’s independence and the Bolsheviks’ refusal of all kinds of hostile actions against it. The NWA offensive on Petrograd strengthened Estonia's negotiating position. In the beginning, the Estonians supported the White Guards, and then left to their own devices. Yudenich’s army was simply sold favorably.

Anyway, this led to the fact that the entire coast remained in the hands of the Reds, the left wing of the NWA was open for flanking attacks from the remaining units of the enemy and the Red Baltic Fleet in coastal strongholds. From the areas of Peterhof, Oranienbaum, and Strelna, the Reds began to threaten the left flank of the Yudenich army, and attacks on Ropsha began on October 19. Without any opposition, the red fleet began to land troops.

At Pulkovo Heights, a fierce battle raged. The Reds began to provide desperate resistance, fought, regardless of the losses. The Bashkir group of troops and workers' detachments were thrown into battle. They suffered huge losses. White could not stand such a struggle for exhaustion. They suffered smaller losses, but could not make up for them. The pace of the advance of Yudenich’s army from October 18 slowed down and by the end of the 20-th, the White offensive was stopped. In addition, the White Guards began to have problems with supply. Ammunition in the immediate rear was used, but failed to establish a supply - a bridge across the river. Yamburg’s meadow, blown up in the summer, could not be restored.

Thus, the NWA was doomed to defeat due to the numerical superiority of the enemy, who relied on the crowded, industrialized and good communications areas. The Yudenich army did not have its own military-economic base, internal resources and was critically dependent on foreign military assistance. Its resources were quickly depleted, they were enough only for a short breakthrough to Petrograd. And in order to mobilize people in the occupied territory, it was necessary time, which the whites did not have. The White Guards did not wait for real help from England and France. In particular, the British limited themselves to ship raids and air raids on the coast, which did not have special military significance. The French promised help (weapon, ammunition), but they pulled time and NWA did not get it.


Map source: https://bigenc.ru


Counterattack of the Red Army


Simultaneously with the defense of the city, the Soviet command was preparing a counterattack. There was enough strength for this. In the Tosno-Kolpino area, the Kharlamov Assault Group (7,5 thousand bayonets and sabers, 12 guns) was assembled. It included troops that arrived from Moscow, Tula, Tver, Novgorod and other cities: a cadet brigade, a brigade of the 21th Infantry Division, the Latvian Rifle Regiment (it was removed from the Kremlin), 2 of the Cheka, and about 3 of railway guard regiments . It was also strengthened by one brigade of the 2th Infantry Division, deployed from Pulkovo Heights.

According to the plan of the Red Command, the main attack on the right flank of the NWF from the Kolpin area in the general direction was delivered to the Gatchina by the Kharlamov Assault Group. After the defeat of the enemy in the Gatchina region, Soviet troops were to develop an offensive along the Volosovo-Yamburg railway. An auxiliary attack on the left flank of the enemy from the Gulf of Finland on Krasnoe Selo was dealt by the 6-I rifle division of Shakhov, reinforced by a detachment of cadets. In the center of the front of the 7 Army, the main forces of the 2 Army Rifle Division fought, fortified by detachments of Petrograd workers. The 15 Army was to launch an offensive in a meadow direction.

After a 3-minute artillery preparation supported by the Baltic ships fleetOn October 21, 1919 the troops of the 7th Army (about 26 thousand bayonets and sabers, over 450 guns and over 700 machine guns, 4 armored trains, 11 armored vehicles) went on the counterattack. The battles were stubborn, at first white tried to continue the offensive. On October 23, the troops of the Shock Group captured Pavlovsky and Detskiy Selo. On October 24, the White Guards on their left flank hit Strelna, but were defeated. The 5th Liven Division suffered heavy losses.

The White Command tried to maintain a position at Petrograd. Having discovered a deep detour of the Reds in the Krasnoye Selo region, White transferred the 1 Division of the 2 Corps to Petrograd, thereby exposing the Luga direction. On October 25, Yudenich brought into battle the last reserves, reinforced by a tank detachment. Both sides attacked, the oncoming battle unfolded. During 26 October, some items changed hands several times. But by the end of the day all the attacks of the White Guards were repulsed, the Reds continued the offensive. Soviet troops captured Krasnoye Selo and the Plyuss station on the Pskov-Luga railway. The stubborn battles in the Gatchina region continued for another week. Despite the transition to the offensive of the 15-th Soviet army on the puddle of 26 October, which threatened the communications and rear of the NWA, white tried to stay at the old capital. Taking advantage of the weakness of some of the red units, the White Guards counterattacked and succeeded. So the Talabar regiment of the 2 division on the night of October 28 broke through the front with an unexpected blow and captured Ropsha on October 30. On October 31, the White Guards attacked the positions of the 6 Rifle Division.

But in general, these were already the last bursts of activity of the Yudenich army. The offensive of the 15-th Soviet army led to the collapse of the defense of the NWA. White simply did not have the strength to attack Petrograd at the same time and maintain its position in other sectors of the front. The 15-I and 10-I rifle divisions advancing on the flanks of the 19 Army met serious resistance from the Whites and moved slowly. Located in the center of the 11-I division, located between the stations of the Struga Bely and Plyussa, attacked without encountering any resistance due to the absence of the enemy. The Reds intercepted the Luga-Gdov railway and on October 31 occupied Luga, threatening the rear of the NWA. Two regiments of the North-West Army - Narva and Gdovskiy, departing from the station of Batetskaya, were surrounded. They were forced to break through with the battle, suffered heavy losses. White began to move towards Gatchina and Gdov.

On the site of the 7-th Soviet army, the whites, not receiving the message in time about the fall of the Luga and the advance of the Reds along the Plyussa River to the rear of the NWA, or ignoring the threat, on November 1-2 continued attacks in the area of ​​Krasnoye Selo. Only on the night of November 3 did White leave Gatchina without a fight. The refusal to fight for Gatchina, given the withdrawal of units of the 15 Army to the rear of the NWA, saved Yudenich’s army from complete defeat at the beginning of November 1919. However, strategically the white army was already doomed. Without armed and material assistance from outside, Yudenich’s army could not exist.

The fall of Gdov and Yamburg


From November 4 to 1919, the army of Yudenich began a general retreat to the west. The White Guards retreated to Yamburg and Gdov positions. The troops of the 7 and 15 red armies proceeded to pursue the enemy. However, the movement was not swift. The troops were tired of the fighting, the organization was weak, the rear did not cope with the supply of units, there was not enough transport, etc. Severe frosts ensued, and the soldiers did not have good uniforms. The troops of the 15 Army attacked in the vicinity of Art. Volosovo and Gdov. To operate behind enemy lines in the Gdov direction, a cavalry group was formed consisting of the cavalry regiment of the 11th Infantry Division and the Estonian Cavalry Regiment. 3 - On 6 on November, a red cavalry group raided enemy rear. The Red cavalrymen captured many prisoners, some of the soldiers were simply disarmed and dispersed to their homes, trophies (some were taken with them, others destroyed), destroyed telephone and telegraph communications, defeated and scattered several enemy units.

Meanwhile, units of the 15 Army took Mshinskaya Station, and units of the 7 Army approached Volosovo Station. Here the White Guards put up strong resistance. From the side of the Reds along the line of this railway, the armored train "Chernomorets" had an active assistance to the infantry. On the night of November 7 Art. Volosovo was taken by the troops of the 7 Army. On the same day, units of the 15 Army entered the Volosovo region. The 10-th division of the 15-th army, overcoming the enemy’s resistance in the Gdov direction, occupied the Gnd-Gnx X-th division.

By November 11 and November 12, the Soviet troops of both armies reached the lower reaches of the river. Meadows. NWA struggled to keep Yamburg, its last defensive line, and to retain at least an insignificant part of Russian territory. An English military mission hastily convened a military conference in Narva, with representatives of England, Estonia and SZA. But no real help to the NWA was provided. With the support of the Chernomorets armored train, the Reds broke into the enemy’s defenses and on November 14 broke into Yamburg, capturing about 600 people and freeing 500 captured Red Army soldiers. By November 23, the front had stabilized. Estonians reinforced the whites, the Estonian 1 and 3 divisions defended the Narva region and the line north of the Narva-Yamburg railway.

Aware of the catastrophic situation of the army, on November 14, Yudenich from Narva sent an urgent telegram to the Estonian commander-in-chief, General Laidoner, and asked to transfer all rear services to the left bank of the Narova, to take the NWA under Estonian patronage. Only on 16 was the Estonians allowed the transfer of logistics, refugees and spare parts to the other side of the Narova. The White Guards who were crossing into Estonian territory were disarmed. Moreover, Estonian troops carried out uniform robbery of what they found among whites and refugees. The journalist Grossen described this event as follows: “The unfortunate Russians, despite the winter cold, literally undressed, and everything was mercilessly taken away. Gold crosses were torn from his chest, wallets were taken away, rings were removed from his fingers. In front of the Russian troops, Estonians removed from the soldiers, trembling from the cold, a new English uniform, in exchange for which rags were given, but this was not always the case. “They did not spare the warm underwear, and torn overcoats were thrown over the naked bodies of the unfortunate vanquished.” Many people froze, many died of exhaustion, and an epidemic of typhoid has begun.

Most of the NWA troops remained on the right bank of the river. Narova and together with Estonians conducted military operations against the Red Army and defended the area of ​​Narva. Divisions and regiments melted before our eyes. Hundreds of soldiers defected, crossed to the side of the Reds. On November 22, an Estonian general, commander of the 1 th Estonian division stationed in Narva, Teniysson said: "There is no Northwest army anymore, there is human dust." Yudenich, under pressure from dissatisfied generals, handed over the command of the army to General Glazenap.

Thus, with desperate efforts, White managed to wrest from the outlined “cauldron”, but SZA lost its Russian territory, where it was planned to create a bridgehead for further operations. As a result, during a fierce battle, by the end of November, the remnants of Yudenich’s army were pressed against the Estonian border. The White Guards retained only a small bridgehead (up to 25 km wide, about 15 km deep). The Soviet troops failed to eliminate the enemy bridgehead on the move.

The death of the army


The new commander Glazenap ordered by all means to stay on Russian territory. However, the fate of the Northwest Army was a foregone conclusion. The army was bloodless, demoralized. In December 1919, the Allies ceased assistance to the NWA. Famine began. Troops that did not have winter uniforms were freezing and dying of hunger. Typhoid has begun. 31 December 1919 g. Soviet Russia entered into a truce with Estonia. Estonia pledged not to contain white troops on its territory. Moscow recognized the independence of Estonia and pledged not to fight against it.

At the end of December 1919 - early January 1920 the troops of the North-West Army left the bridgehead, moved to Estonia, where they were interned. 15 of thousands of SZA soldiers and officers were first disarmed, and then 5 of thousands of them - were captured and sent to concentration camps. Thousands of refugees are also located here. People were kept in the winter under the open sky or in unheated “coffin” barracks. Without normal clothes, in old cast-offs, without medical support, when typhoid raged. Estonia refused to feed the internees due to a lack of their own food supplies. Prisoners were fed only at the expense of the American food mission. They also drove prisoners to hard work - repairing roads, sawing. Thousands died of hunger, cold and typhoid. Others fled to Soviet Russia in thousands, where they saw the only salvation.

So the Estonian government "paid" with the White Guards for helping to create their own state. Also, the Estonian nationalist authorities carried out a “sweeping” of the young state from the Russian presence (including refugees from the Petrograd province) - mass evictions of Russians, deprivation of their civil rights, murders, imprisonment and camps.

Secret report of the North-Western Front on the situation of Russians in Estonia (Archive of the Russian Revolution, edited by Hesse. 1921.): “They began to kill Russians right on the street, lock them in prisons and concentration camps, and generally oppress them in every possible way. Refugees from the Petrograd province, the number of which was more than 10 000, were treated worse than cattle. They were forced to lie for days on a crackling frost on the railroad ties. The mass of children and women has died. Everyone had typhus. There were no disinfectants. Under such conditions, sister's doctors also became infected and died. ... The American and Danish Red Crosses did what they could, but no one could help on a large scale. Who was strong, withstood, the rest died. ”

22 January 1920 year by order of the army of Yudenich, the North-Western Army was eliminated. Yudenich himself, with the consent of the Estonian authorities, was arrested by supporters of the “field commander” Bulak-Balakhovich, who was in conflict with the command of the NWA. Under pressure from the Entente command, he was released, but he was not allowed into the troops. Through Scandinavia, Yudenich went to England, then to France.
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  1. +2
    27 November 2019 06: 34
    So the Estonian government "paid" with the White Guards for helping to create their own state. Also, the Estonian nationalist authorities carried out a “sweeping” of the young state from the Russian presence (including refugees from the Petrograd province) - mass evictions of Russians, deprivation of their civil rights, murders, imprisonment and camps.
    The more good the Tribalts did, the more "grateful" they were to us. In the USSR, they were generally provided with heavenly conditions and what is the gratitude?
    As I understand it, these Nazi dregs only understand power and respect it. In general, a star, a star and once again a star must be given, and given hard so that at least 100 years is enough, otherwise the mouth would be banged not only in Kaliningrad, but also in Ivangorod, damn it.
    1. +1
      27 November 2019 09: 40
      what a cruel age
      and it all started with great champagne balls with whole shops
      they didn’t know how to milk cows - they died
    2. +10
      27 November 2019 10: 06
      Well, so they claim to Ivangorod and Pechora on the events of those days-the Tartu peace treaty. if they hadn’t come with all sorts of Yudenichs, part of the Russian land would not have passed to them. it’s funny when they accuse Lenin of this program. and what is he to blame for - that there was no strength in a bloodless country to drive them back? 20 years later, Stalin will return back and will ... again be to blame. yes, our monarchists cannot please
      1. +7
        27 November 2019 10: 43
        Andy (Andrey)
        yes, our monarchists cannot please
        Andrei hi . What is true is true! The trouble is that they themselves do not know who they are for. They chose to be the bloody tsar’s icons an idiot and a rag, who rode everything and everything and at the same time refuse to believe that the tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, but his own circle, including members of the royal family. They immediately drag in the mythical CSS, which in reality was just a bunch of demagogues and could not bring anything good to Russia. That is, they are for those who are against those who do not know who they are against.
        Madhouse in a word. fool
  2. 0
    27 November 2019 06: 44
    Through Scandinavia, Yudenich went to England, then to France.

    It happens
  3. -7
    27 November 2019 07: 38
    Yudenich is the Yudenich-genius of war: with such insignificant forces, Petrograd almost took it!
    Although he was opposed by many times superior forces with untold reserves and reserves of all c. industrial area. Plus, of course, the great courage and skill of the soldiers and officers of Russia.

    The betrayal of the Entente, without which Russia could not fight, the betrayal of Estonia, which the Bolsheviks bought for gold (11 tons) and the provision of independence, played a decisive role. Plus anti-Russian ram - red Latvians and red Estonian mercenaries (they captured Pskov).

    In short, the Bolsheviks again gathered all the Russophosian abomination into their allies. Russophobic, for we read what they did to the Russians in recognized Estonian councils:
    The Russians began to be killed right on the street, locked up in prisons and concentration camps, generally oppressed in every possible way by all means. Refugees from the Petrograd province, the number of which was more than 10, were treated worse than cattle. They were forced to lie for days on a crackling frost on the railroad ties. The mass of children and women has died. Everyone had typhus. There were no disinfectants. Under such conditions, sister's doctors also became infected and died. ...


    What did the tips do to help these Russian citizens? And ... nothing, rejoiced that they were killing Russia .....

    It must be remembered that today, every year, on the birthday of Garoch-Kesteshyan ADOLFA IOFFE (aka millionaire and People's Commissar of the so-called SNK), Estonian diplomats are holding a memorial service at his grave, with candles lit: a sign of eternal gratitude to independent Estonia comrade Ioffe for independence from Russia.

    It must also be remembered that with a vie independent of the advice in modern Latvia, the memory of the red lat. shooters are honored there and the monuments are protected by them: after all, they fought for the independence of Latvia against Russia .....

    No wonder: for example, the SS Sturmbanführer, the owner of the Iron Cross, Peteris (aka red arrow shooter), was awarded Order of the Red Banner for the struggle with Yudenich.

    By the way, two Lat commanders of the red division, hastily fled from Riga’s beloved Red Army in 1944 to their beloved Red Army ... damned London ...
    1. +8
      27 November 2019 08: 06
      Olgovich (Andrey)
      It is not surprising: for example, the SS Sturmbanfuhrer, the owner of the Iron Cross, Peteris (aka red lance shooter), was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for the fight against Yudenich.
      Oooh, olgovich in the morning, not sober, sat on his favorite skate. And you can’t list the beloved whites that you later served with the Germans? Moreover, they served not for fear, but for conscience. Unless of course this can be called a conscience.
      1. -7
        27 November 2019 10: 01
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Oooh, olgovich in the morning, not sober, sat on his favorite skate

        Why don’t you greet today with your ward? request
        By the way, Alexander "Suvorov", say hello to Alexander the Great and Napoleon. Yes
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And you can’t list the beloved whites that you later served with the Germans? Moreover, they served not for fear, but for conscience. Unless of course it can be called a conscience

        Of course, name the white SS men with the Order of the Red Banner and the Iron Cross. Yes

        Answer, by the way, why it is TWO commanders of the Latvian Red Division, who so violently killed Russian peasants in the name of revolution, lived quietly and worked under the invaders in Riga, and in 1944 fled from their beloved Red Army to Germany, and then to London *

        Citizens of the USSR in the service of Germany was ORDERING more white. At the same time, whites had nothing to do with the USSR.
        1. +7
          27 November 2019 10: 26
          Olgovich (Andrey)
          Why don’t you greet today with your ward?
          Well hello patient, if you really want to.
          By the way, Alexander "Suvorov", say hello to Alexander the Great and Napoleon.
          So you are more comfortable, all the same, the neighbors in the beds no matter how.
          Citizens of the USSR in the service of Germany was ORDERING more white. At the same time, whites had nothing to do with the USSR.
          No regime is immune from betrayal. In addition, many citizens of the USSR were forced to serve the Germans and went to the partisans at the first opportunity. Gil-Rodionov as an example to you. But there are no examples of the transition of whites from the Germans to the Red Army. Since the whites served the Germans, as I already wrote, "for conscience", and not for fear, like many prisoners of war. In addition, among the citizens of the USSR there were many underdeveloped sympathizers of the former whites. So it's more yours than ours.
          Of course, name the white SS men with the Order of the Red Banner and the Iron Cross.
          Well, let’s put the whites they could not award with orders of the USSR, but the Germans served more than enough cavaliers of the orders of the Republic of Ingushetia:
          KRASNOV P.N. (brigade-führer of the fascist SS troops) - Knight of the Order of St. George 4th degree and Golden St. George’s arms with St. George ribbons, General of the Russian Imperial Army, ataman of the Great Don Army.
          KRASNOV S.N. (brigade-führer of the Nazi SS troops) - brother Krasnov PN, who was hanged with his brother-traitor.
          Domanov T. I. (Major General of the Nazi Wehrmacht) - Chevalier of St. George's Crosses of the 1st degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree, 4th degree with St. George ribbons.
          SEVASTYANOV A.N. (Major General of the Fascist Wehrmacht) - Knight of the St. George Cross 4th degree with St. George ribbon. Red Army Commander, and then changed the oath and became the Major General of the ROA.
          SEMENOV G.M. (Lieutenant General of the Nazi Wehrmacht) - Knight of the Order of St. George, 4th art. and the Golden Arms “For Courage” with St. George ribbons.
          STEIPHON B.A. (Lieutenant General of the Nazi Wehrmacht) - Chevalier of the St. George Arms, commander of the Russian Corps, Lieutenant General.
          TURKUL A.V. (Major General of the Nazi Wehrmacht) - Knight of the Order of St. George 4th degree, Golden Arms “For Courage”, St. George Cross 3rd degree, St. George Cross 4th degree with St. George ribbons.
          Enough or continue? As we see Sevastyanov A.N. managed to betray both yours and ours. And there were many such shifters, it is a pity that they did not manage to clean everyone in 37-39. Then they slurped.
          At the same time, very many worthy officers of the former RI faithfully served in the ranks of the Red Army. Marshal Shaposhnikov and General Karbyshev are vivid examples of this. Here are really worthy people and officers who could definitely say HONOR I HAVE!
          1. -5
            27 November 2019 12: 51
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            SEMENOV G.M. (Lieutenant General of the Nazi Wehrmacht

            How? Right Wehrmacht?
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            KRASNOV P.N. (brigade-führer of the fascist SS troops

            He was no brigadefuhrer, why superfluous to compose.
            1. +4
              27 November 2019 13: 17
              bober1982 (vladimir)
              How? Right Wehrmacht?
              Sorry for what I bought. Taken from here: https://www.sites.google.com/site/donskiekazakinacisty/publikacii/georgievsiekavaleryrossiinasluzbeugitlera
              Although of course Krasnov was not in the SS troops, but this does not cancel the fact that he served the Nazis, so do not carp at the words. But Shkuro was:
              In 1944, by special decree of Himmler, Shkuro was appointed head of the Reserve of Cossack Forces at the Main Headquarters of the SS Troops, enlisted as SS groupführer and Lieutenant General of the SS troops with the right to wear the German general uniform and receive maintenance under this rank.
              That's better? Did this clarification somehow change the picture of betrayal or your crunchy worldview?
              1. -6
                27 November 2019 13: 22
                About Semyonov modestly kept silent, to confuse Germany with Japan and China, this is of course something.
                I didn’t give a hint about Shkuro, why bother talking?
                Krasnov, of course, served the Nazis, but, as you put it, found fault with free historical distortions, nothing more.
                1. +3
                  27 November 2019 14: 13
                  bober1982 (vladimir)
                  About Semyonov modestly kept silent, to confuse Germany with Japan and China, this is of course something.
                  Well, why did you keep silent. I gave you a link from where I copied. Sorry, I did not have time to double-check, there was no time.
                  Of course you are right, Semenov did not serve the Germans. But again, this does not cancel the fact of his betrayal, what difference does it make to whom the traitor serves the Germans, Japanese or Americans, if he acts against the interests of his homeland, doesn’t it?
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2019 14: 14
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    if he acts against the interests of his homeland, right?

                    So
              2. -2
                28 November 2019 14: 59
                TURKUL A.V. (Major General of the Nazi Wehrmacht) - Knight of the Order of St. George 4th degree, Golden Arms “For Courage”, St. George Cross 3rd degree, St. George Cross 4th degree with St. George ribbons.
                Why did you write Turkula to the Wehrmacht? A.V. Turkul did not serve a day in the Wehrmacht. In 1945, he was listed in the KONR Armed Forces with the rank of major general. This is not the Wehrmacht, but the army allied with Germany. and the Communist Party ?!
          2. -9
            27 November 2019 13: 18
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            By the way, Alexander "Suvorov", say hello to Alexander the Great and Napoleon.
            So you are more comfortable, all the same, the neighbors in the beds no matter how.

            belay
            How, my dear? belay
            Aren't you Aleksandr "Suvorov" ?! And Alexandra the Great and Napoleons ALWAYS coexist with "Aleskandras Suvorovs". Yes
            So bow to them there! hi
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            No regime is immune from betrayal. In addition, many citizens of the USSR were forced to serve the Germans and went to the partisans at the first opportunity. Gil-Rodionov as an example to you. But there are no examples of the transition of whites from the Germans to the Red Army. Since the whites served the Germans, as I already wrote, "for conscience", and not for fear, like many prisoners of war. In addition, among the citizens of the USSR there were many underdeveloped sympathizers of the former whites. So it's rather yoursthan ours.

            Show an example in History of such a number of traitors (1 million) in the service of the enemy.
            Let me remind you that there wasn’t such a thing in the WTO.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Well, put white could not award the USSR

            many: Govorov, for example, Alexandrov, Semenov and many others.
            You are not here in Copenhagen lol

            But there is not a single "Red Banner" SS man, only you have such.

            Another member of the RKPb is wonderful, he is also a member of the NSDAP, he is also a tyrannist in the civil war in Russia, he is Chairman of the Tribunal of the Hitler Reich R. Freisler, perfectly applied his worked out in Gr. the arsenal of torture was already in the Reich (he loved this thing, yes), he sent THOUSAND anti-fascists to be executed.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            As we see Sevastyanov A.N. managed to betray both yours and ours.

            USSR citizen Sevastyanov betrayed only the USSR, like your Vlasov, was never white ..
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            At the same time, very many worthy officers of the former RI faithfully served in the ranks of the Red Army. Marshal Shaposhnikov and General Karbyshev are vivid examples of this. Here are really worthy people and officers who could definitely say HONOR I HAVE!

            Yes Yes. ...... ...... 405 (!) people from HUNDRED THOUSAND Russian officers fought in the Second World War.
            Well, "very many" ....
            1. +6
              27 November 2019 14: 07
              Olgovich (Andrey)
              I remind that in WTO there wasn’t such a thing.
              And what kind of beast is such a VtoV ?!
              Show an example in History of such a number of traitors (1 million) in the service of the enemy.
              And where are the epic battles of this "1 million" traitors? Who was the ROA fighting with? The number of ROA at its peak did not exceed 120-130 thousand people. and had no effect on the course of hostilities.
              And do not confuse warm with soft here.
              During the WWII, the Germans simply did not use Russian prisoners of war as armed units, but they also were used only occasionally during the Second World War. The Germans did not trust the traitors. But during the WWII there was a mass fraternization from the enemy and mass desertion from the front. They deserted not even by regiments, but by entire divisions, which was not observed at all during the Second World War.
              So here yours do not dance. The Germans simply had different goals for the war. If WWII was an inter-war war of world capital for expanding the resource base and markets, then WWII was a war to destroy the Slavs as a nation and seize their territory. And these are, as it were, two big differences.
              1. -6
                27 November 2019 14: 37
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                And what kind of beast is such a VtoV ?!

                Go to VO and find, finally, KNOWLEDGE
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                And where are the epic battles of this "1 million" traitors? Who was the ROA fighting with? The number of ROA at its peak did not exceed 120-130 thousand people. and had no effect on the course of hostilities.
                And do not confuse warm with soft here.

                EVERYWHERE, because they were everywhere.
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                But during the WWII there was a mass fraternization from the enemy and mass desertion from the front. They deserted not even by regiments, but by entire divisions, which was not observed at all during the Second World War.

                That's for sure: so many deserters and draft deviators in Imp. Of Russia It was never : In the USSR there were 4 млн in the Second World War. And still thousands and thousands of linden armor: for example, Starostina football players otmazyvat 60 (!) People
                And already on prisoners, especially: conscience prisoners-5 million-there is tsarist Russia to such numbers ...!

                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                The Germans simply had different goals for the war.

                Yes?
                But the Germans themselves write that practically THE SAME: we read the Germans today
                :
                Erster weltkrieg
                :
                "Deutschlands Griff nach der Krim
            2. 0
              30 November 2019 22: 39
              Of course, "very many" is overkill. We forget that the "youngest" career officers of the Russian Imperial Army, second lieutenants graduated on December 1, 1914, were born in 1896. and a little older. According to the decree on mobilization of June 22, 1941, 1905-1918 was called up from the reserve. That is, "old men" were not called up. They could only join the people's militia. We must not forget that a significant part of the officers who fought on the side of the Reds during the Civil War, after its end, were dismissed from the Red Army, and it made no practical sense to call them up as battalion commanders in 1941. In the cadres of the army, they remained only in high command positions and teachers in military academies
              1. -4
                1 December 2019 09: 26
                Quote: swan49
                Of course, "very many" is overkill. We forget that the "youngest" career officers of the Russian Imperial Army, second lieutenants graduated on December 1, 1914, were born in 1896. and a little older. According to the decree on mobilization of June 22, 1941, 1905-1918 was called up from the reserve. That is, "old men" were not called up. They could only join the people's militia. We must not forget that a significant part of the officers who fought on the side of the Reds during the Civil War, after its end, were dismissed from the Red Army, and it made no practical sense to call them up as battalion commanders in 1941. In the cadres of the army, they remained only in high command positions and teachers in military academies

                in the Wehrmacht, many THOUSAND WWII officers fought, their experience was invaluable.

                In the USSR, 405 people. It’s ridiculous. Tragically.

                Millions of "old fighters-soldiers fought in the Red Army
    2. +11
      27 November 2019 09: 13
      Russophobic abomination just dragged Yudenich. Estonians and others. For which he paid.
      1. +6
        27 November 2019 09: 49
        Quote: 210ox
        For which he paid.

        Especially remember Bulak-Balakhovich. This "general" during his life served in the army of Ingushetia, the Red Army, the White Army, the Army of Estonia, and the army of Poland. He was once warmed by Yudenich, for which, as a token of gratitude, Bulak-Balakhovich planned to arrest Yudenich and hand him over to the Reds, for money. But they failed and had to flee to Poland.
      2. -8
        27 November 2019 10: 10
        Quote: 210ox
        Russophobic abomination just dragged Yudenich. Estonians and others. For which he paid.


        Invaders of St. Petersburg were protected precisely by cr. Latvian arrows near Pulkovo and red Estonian regiments near Pskov. These were ordinary mercenaries recognized by the councils of independent Latvia-Estonia.

        And this abomination still annually READS your Adolf Ioffe for donated Russian gold, Russian lands and people. Like on SHABASH, gathering in the person of ambassadors, etc., at his grave at the Novodevichy cemetery. .
      3. -8
        27 November 2019 13: 22
        Well, the Bolsheviks dragged the red Latvian shooters. True, they became more famous as punishers.
        1. 0
          30 November 2019 19: 59
          In our area, in the Ukrainian South-East, until their death, rural old people remembered these Bolshevik mercenaries - "Latvian riflemen", "Red Estonians" and "Red Chinese", as the most rabid punitive beast among many others, converted into civilian, "gray-brown" bandyugans and "troops" ...
          No wonder then many former "Latvian riflemen", in their own Baltic states, actively collaborated with the local "secret police" and the Hitlerite Gestapo, with their inherent maniac sadism eradicating "communist elements" - they didn't care who they serve, just to be in power and be able to satisfy their sadistic needs ...
    3. +6
      27 November 2019 09: 46
      Allies showed their true face. Yudenich relied on Judah. The logical outcome of the adventure.
    4. +8
      27 November 2019 09: 58
      Quote: Olgovich
      What did the tips do to help these Russian citizens? And ... nothing, rejoiced that they were killing Russia .....

      just now these "Russian citizens" went to kill no less Russians. so it's their problem that they did not agree with their accomplices, Estonia and the Entente.

      Quote: Olgovich
      Plus anti-Russian ram - red Latvians and red Estonian mercenaries (they captured Pskov)

      yeah, and from that side even more anti-Russian white Estonians pressed forward (unlike the red ones who fought for political beliefs, the white ones went openly behind the ground). well done olgovich- you change shoes on the fly
      1. -7
        27 November 2019 10: 33
        Quote: Andy
        just now these "Russian citizens" went to kill no less Russians. so it's their problem that they did not agree with their accomplices, Estonia and the Entente.

        Most of them were civilian REFUGEES, as in any gr. the war. Russian refugees who did not give a damn about anti-Russian authorities.

        And the whites did not go to kill the Russians, but to return power to them.

        And who killed whom eloquently says History: victims of the citizen. war, bruised October 25, 17 g, famines, millions of exiles of peasants, exceeded the victims of the terrible world war by more than ORDER.
        Quote: Andy
        yeah, and from that side even more anti-Russian white Estonians pressed forward (unlike the red ones who fought for political beliefs, the white ones went openly behind the ground). well done olgovich- you change shoes on the fly

        1. Red Latvians / Estonians fought FOR MONEY and against the RUSSIANS, which is why they are honored today by the anti-communist leaders of Latvia. The Reds and the Whites there long ago agreed that both of them fought for independent Latvia against Russia.

        2. What are the "lands"? The Reds gave Estonia (tattoo agreement) even those lands where ONLY Russians lived and of which they never dreamed. And presented them with Russian GOLD, many TONS-Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. "Rusaki", yes ....

        Today, by the way, Estonia and Latvia demand these lands back, This is all an eructation of the betrayal of Russia.
        1. +8
          27 November 2019 10: 37
          I wrote to you above which lands and why. and they came to these lands together with the Yudenichs. for the money you say, actually the military gets a salary. I didn’t think that mercenaries serve in the Soviet and current armies laughing
          1. +7
            27 November 2019 10: 43
            By the way, if the state paid the salary in red, then WHO paid the whites, who financed them would you answer or be ashamed? that's who the mercenaries are
          2. -13
            27 November 2019 13: 37
            Quote: Andy
            To me above, I wrote off which lands and why. and they came to these lands together with the Yudenichs

            My friend, you are again not Copenhagen, although it is clearly written to you: according to the Tartu Treaty white Estonia received from RED:

            - RUSSIAN lands where no Estonians even stink,
            -Russian gold (11 tons),
            - INDEPENDENCE and
            - gold transit through it, gold, antiques, currency and precious stones stolen by the Bolsheviks in Russia. People there made good money on this.

            Most went to the USA.
            Same with Latvia.

            Today, Estonia and Latvia are demanding RETURN by Russia of the lands that were given to them according to Tartus and R. contracts.

            Ie the results of the betrayal of Russia, still in the ranks ....

            These are just facts, my friend.
            Serve Them Yes
            1. +6
              27 November 2019 14: 22
              are you sane the Bolsheviks were forced to recognize this territory as Estonia, but the Estonians rushed in there with the assistance of the Yudenichs. and this article is about the same. and then everyone ran out of steam - and proud Ests and Bolsheviks, to drive them out of there and most of all Yudenichi, accomplices of the Estonians to seize the Russian land ... I do not care about empty words about the one and indivisible if you act together with the invader
              1. +8
                27 November 2019 14: 55
                an article about juveniles and aesthetes for OCTOBER-NOVEMBER AND THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY 1920. Tartu peace treaty is marked by the Estonians annually with the flag hanging on February 2 (1920 !!!). but the monarchist and point blank does not want to see the fact, they say Yudenich separately, and ests separately ... no matter how!
              2. -10
                27 November 2019 14: 57
                Quote: Andy
                are you sane the Bolsheviks were forced to recognize this territory as Estonia, but the Estonians rushed in there with the assistance of the Yudenichs. and this article is about the same. and then everyone ran out of steam - and proud Ests and Bolsheviks, to drive them out of there and most of all Yudenichi, accomplices of the Estonians to seize the Russian land ... I do not care about empty words about the one and indivisible if you act together with the invader

                Weird question:

                YOU ARE THIRD times unable to understand: the Bolsheviks gave Estonia all that RUSSIAN that it NEVER belonged to!

                The Bolsheviks gave the Russian NARVU and other lands from the Petrograd province of Estonia Until Yudenich, ignoramus! Find out and Remember, finally!

                And 11 tons of gold-also Judenich forced the enemies to give?

                If you were more literate, you would know that Estonia was presented not just like that, but because

                f) DESTROYED everything Russian in their land (it was safer than red),

                b) became the official and legal (and illegal) sales window for the loot (the huckster is called) in EUROPE AND WORLD (as it became) for the blolsheviks

                . ALL looted gold, the values ​​of Russia now passed through it and Latvia (they also fed it before burping with RUSSIAN lands (Pitalovo) and RUSSIAN gold).

                Here's what you need to know about great. "patriots"
              3. -2
                28 November 2019 15: 35
                That the great Leninis and the even greater Bronstein were granted to Russia by Russian lands and paid in gold for the treason of the Northwest Army, no one doubts except the Soviet ones.
    5. +7
      27 November 2019 10: 20
      Olgovich "What did the councils do to help these Russian citizens?"
      That is, the Soviets are to blame for choosing the Estonians as their allies?))))) And did the Whites come from which country?)))) At that time, the Estonians were not White's allies giving them their territory to form their army? And then the Northwest Government did not recognize the sovereignty of Estonia on August 11, 1919? Maybe not those white allies sought themselves?
      1. -11
        27 November 2019 14: 09
        Quote: Nagaibak
        That is, the councils are to blame for choosing Estonians as allies?)

        In Russian, do not understand at all?

        After the Treaty of Tartu, Russians in Estonia and not only refugees were exterminated by Estonians, and the “people's” regime was OBLIGED to take care of the fate of compatriots.

        He spat on them, as in 1991
        Quote: Nagaibak
        At that time, did the Estonians not be white allies, giving them their territory to form their army? And then the Northwest Government did not recognize the sovereignty of Estonia on August 11, 1919? Maybe not those white allies sought themselves?

        They weren’t, of course: they spit on Russia and they needed only their independence, which they tried to get from both white and red.

        FFP was convened by the Allies, and Yudenich said more than once: "Take Petrograd, turn back to Revel. "

        But the Bolsheviks gave them EVERYTHING: tons of gold, independence, Russian lands (Narva, etc.), people, money, trade, smuggling, EVERYTHING,
        1. +6
          27 November 2019 14: 18
          Olgovich "You don't understand Russian at all?"
          Drink a sedative.))).)))
          Olgovich "NWP was convened by the allies, and Yudenich declared more than once:" Take Petrograd, turn back to Revel. "
          Who knows who convened there. Recognized? Recognized.)))) What is the question? And Yudenich had to tongue less. But how is he? - The genius of war.)))) And how did the politician turn out to be?)))) And in 1991 who spat on them? Your favorite Yeltsin and Gorbachev.)))
          1. -9
            27 November 2019 15: 05
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Olgovich "You don't understand Russian at all?"
            Drink a sedative.))).)))

            With advice, to advice. lol
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Who knows who convened there. Recognized? Recognized.)))) What is the question? And Yudenich had to tongue less. But how is he? -Genius of war.)))) And how did the politician turn out to be?))

            So and you recognize, what do you want there?
            Quote: Nagaibak
            And in 1991, who spat on them? Your favorite Yeltsin and Gorbachev.)))

            Oops! YOUR Communists made a revolution of 91, as in the 17th, and they are mine ?!
            This is generally beyond ... negative
            1. +5
              27 November 2019 19: 02
              Olgovich "Oops! YOUR communists made a revolution 91, as in the 17th century, and they are mine ?!"
              Actually, in the year 91 it was a counter-revolution.)))) Therefore, they are yours. And if it were not for these non-Communists in 91 you would glorify the CPSU at party meetings with the same enthusiasm with which you oppose the Communists on the sidelines of the Military Review.)))) You do not look like a dissident.)))))))))))) )))) laughing
              1. -4
                28 November 2019 09: 35
                Quote: Nagaibak
                Actually, in the year 91 it was a counter-revolution.)))) Therefore, they are yours.

                What are you carrying? EBNy-nomenclature of the Communist Party of the highest rank.
                Quote: Nagaibak
                And if it were not for these non-Communists in 91 you would glorify the CPSU at party meetings with the same enthusiasm with which you oppose the Communists on the sidelines of the Military Observation.))))

                It was never the Communist Party, although offered.

                Did not want.
                1. +1
                  28 November 2019 11: 00
                  Olgovich "I have never been a Communist Party of the Soviet Union, although they were offered."
                  Yes Yes Yes... laughing Willingly I believe. You, along with Academician Sakharov, fought against the Communists wink
                  1. -4
                    28 November 2019 11: 27
                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    Yes, yes, yes ... I readily believe.

                    I do not care .. you believe it or not. hi
                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    You, along with Academician Sakharov, fought against the Communists

                    in the ranks of the GUS. Yes
        2. +6
          27 November 2019 17: 22
          After the Treaty of Tartu, Russians in Estonia and not only refugees were destroyed by Estonians and the "people's" regime was OBLIGED to take care of the fate of compatriots

          this happened even before the Treaty of Tartu, about three months. Thanks to the "wise" policies of someone. Therefore, there is no need to hang a causal relationship where it does not exist.
          stated more than once: "Take Petrograd, turn back to Revel"

          Another example of inability to assess what is happening around. I can’t imagine how, with such empty bravado, these leaders would then bring the country back to life. If on the more sane side this happened with such a creak later.
          But the Bolsheviks gave them EVERYTHING: tons of gold, independence, Russian lands (Narva, etc.), people, money, trade, smuggling, EVERYTHING,

          independence - or the Bolsheviks agreed with the independence that the "whites" gave to Estonia earlier.
          Russian lands (Narva, etc.) - well, by the way, I will not say, but in 1917 Narva expressed a "desire by the majority" to withdraw to Estonia by the direct expression of the will of the inhabitants of Narva and nearby volosts.
          tons of gold - did not the inhabitants of Estonia participate in the creation of the country's gold reserve and did not have a right to it?
          1. -3
            28 November 2019 09: 40
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            this happened even before the Treaty of Tartu, about three months. Thanks to the "wise" policies of someone. Therefore, there is no need to hang a causal relationship where it does not exist.

            do not carry nonsense: EVERYTHING started after the THIEF-before it was NOTHING,
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            Another example of inability to assess what is happening around. I can’t imagine how, with such empty bravado, these leaders would then bring the country back to life. If on the more sane side this happened with such a creak later.

            Look at Finland. and the USSR. What's not clear?
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            independence - well, or the Bolsheviks agreed with the independence that Estonia previously given "white".

            You are illiterate: SNK recognized it much earlier:
            Decree of the Council of People's Commissars
            on the recognition of the independence of the Estland Soviet Republic

            7th of December 1918

            In response to a request from the Estland Soviet Government, the Council of People's Commissars declares:

            1. The Russian Soviet Government recognizes nindependence of the Estland Soviet Republic.
            1. +2
              28 November 2019 11: 19
              this happened before the Tartu Treaty, for about three months.

              EVERYTHING started after the Thief-before her there was NOTHING

              "Three months before the Treaty of Tartu" this is after the revolution, what are you overexcited?
              Look at Finland. and the USSR.

              Look at the Principality of Finland and the Russian Empire. Even then, it developed without regard to its "suzerain" and better than him. Only the Finns would not have ruled us after civilian life, our leaders would have done it. So it's an incorrect comparison. Even omitting the fact that the "scale of the disaster" was incomparable.
              SNK recognized her much earlier

              SNK recognized Estland earlier Soviet Republic in the draft constitution which it was an autonomous part of the RSFSR.
              But the independence of the Republic of Estonia (without Soviet) was first recognized by whites, and only then by the Council of People's Commissars. That those that those are forced.
              1. -4
                28 November 2019 11: 35
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic

                "Before the Treaty of Tartu, about three months" this is after the revolution, why are you overexcited?

                for sure! like today, too, after the thief. lol
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Look at the Principality of Finland and the Russian Empire. Even then, it developed without regard to its "suzerain" and better than him. Only the Finns would not have ruled us after civilian life, our leaders would have done it. So it's an incorrect comparison. Even omitting the fact that the "scale of the disaster" was incomparable.

                Your woulds are worthless.
                Part of Russia Finland lived in 91 g for ORDER better than the USSR (also parts of Russia).
                This is a fact.
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                SNK recognized earlier the Estland Soviet Republic

                You do not understand in Russian? ONCE AGAIN: 1. The Russian Soviet Government recognizes INDEPENDENCE Estland Soviet Republic.
                See dictionary
    6. +3
      27 November 2019 19: 07
      Quote: Olgovich
      Entente betrayal, without which Russia could not fight


      And with whom did Russia fight at that moment? And why couldn’t she fight without the Entente’s supply? Oh yes. A bunch of insurgents, scum, sold to foreigners, fought against their own people.
      1. -3
        28 November 2019 09: 51
        Quote: sergo1914

        And with whom did Russia fight at that moment? And why couldn’t she fight without the Entente’s supply?

        1.With bandits who seized power by force, contrary to the will of the people in the elections.
        2. While Russia was at war with the invaders, bandits seized warehouses, power and industry from it.
        Quote: sergo1914
        Oh yes. A bunch of insurgents, scum, sold to foreigners, fought against their own people.

        Here I agree: the minions of the German occupiers, who sold them a third of the country forever in Brest, also fought against its people. And the victims of this war are terrifying: they are more than an order of magnitude greater than the victims of the WWII.

        Some victims of the famine of peace 32-33 g, for several months, FOUR times the victims of the WORLD four-year war
  4. +4
    27 November 2019 07: 57
    The Reds intercepted the Luga-Gdov railway and occupied Luga on October 31, threatening the rear of the NWA.

    It is possible in more detail about railway. Luga Gdov. For the first time I hear about this. Railway passed through Gdov (now absent). Pskov-Narva (Shales). To the east of Gdov there is only, mainly a dirt road, Gdov-Plyussa.
    1. +1
      27 November 2019 11: 54
      There was such a railway: Gdov-Pskov-Idritsa-Polotsk. After the Great Patriotic War, it was not restored. There were still lines Novgorod - Staraya Russa and Budogoshch - Chudovo - Weimarn. They suffered the same fate.
      1. +1
        27 November 2019 12: 51
        That's about Pskov-Gdov, I know. But Luga-Gdov, this is from the realm of fantasy.
        1. 0
          27 November 2019 13: 01
          The fastest way was the Volosovo-Mshinskaya line with access to the Warsaw passage. (There was such a line)
  5. +6
    27 November 2019 15: 35
    The glory to the god-enemies died there and the road. And just do not whine. That they say they are Russian. They were enemies. And what nation the enemies are. Uninteresting.
  6. +2
    27 November 2019 21: 49
    What does it mean to fight against your country, hoping for Western help. Full kaput and scam!