Military Review

Battle for the South: how the Red Army inflicted a strategic defeat on the white

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Smoot. 1919 year. 100 years ago, in December 1919, the Soviet troops of the Southern and Southeastern Front inflicted a heavy defeat on the Armed Forces of the South of Russia. Denikin’s army left Kharkov and Kiev, and the whites continued their retreat south. The main forces of the Don army were defeated and driven back beyond the Don.


General situation at the front


Having suffered a serious defeat in the Kursk-Oryol and Voronezh directions (Battle of Voronezh; Oryol-Kromsk battle), White abandoned the offensive, suffered heavy losses (up to half the composition of the Volunteer Army), lost their strategic initiative and went on the defensive. On the flanks, VSYUR troops relied on Kiev and Tsaritsyn, and in the center they kept the Kharkov region.

The Kiev group of General Dragomirov defended on the left flank. The 12-I Soviet Army broke through to the Dnieper left bank, broke the link between the troops of Dragomirov and the Volunteer Army. By November 18, the Reds occupied Bakhmach and began to threaten the left flank of the Volunteer Army. In the center, leaving Kursk, the Volunteer Army fought, which, replacing Mai-Mayevsky, was led by Wrangel. He took the army in disaster. On the left flank of the 12-I Soviet army marched south along the Dnieper, on the right - Budyonny's cavalry broke through. White troops lost half of the squad in heavy battles, retreated. The retreating rear and refugees blocked all roads. Parts that had previously switched to self-supply were increasingly engaged in robbery, speculation and looting. Wrangel himself made the following conclusion: “There is no army as a fighting force!”

Next was the front of the Don army of General Sidorin. 9-I Red Army defeated the White Cossacks. The 2-th Cavalry Corps Dumenko took Uryurinsk, deeply wedged into the enemy’s defense between the 1 and 2 Don Cases. The defense of Horpe was broken. Don Cossacks retreated to the Don. There was a deep gap between the Volunteer and Don armies, into which Budyonny's cavalry cut through.

The Caucasian army of Pokrovsky was defending on the right flank in the Tsaritsyn area, which, due to its small number, pulled all forces into the Tsaritsyn fortified area. With the beginning of the ice drift, the Volga parts were transferred to the right bank. Their place was immediately taken by the 50-I rifle division of the 11-th Soviet army. Tsaritsyn began to undergo regular artillery shelling. From the north and south, White’s defense was regularly checked by units of the 10 and 11 Soviet armies.


"Trumpeters of the First Cavalry Army." Artist M. B. Grekov. 1934. Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow

By mid-November 1919, the troops of the red Southern Front, pursuing the enemy, reached the line of Novograd-Volynsky, Zhytomyr, northwest of Kiev, Nizhyn, Kursk, Liski and Talovaya. The Soviet armies of the Southeast Front were located south of Talova, Archedinskaya, north of Tsaritsyn and along the left bank of the Volga to Astrakhan, having bridgeheads near Black Yar and Enotaevsk. The Southern Front, under the command of A. I. Egorov, included the 12th, 14th, 13th, 8th and 1st Cavalry armies. The Southeast Front under the command of V. I. Shorin included the 9th, 10th and 11th armies, and the forces of the Volga-Caspian flotilla. In total, Soviet troops totaled about 144 thousand people., About 900 guns and over 3800 machine guns.

Plans of the Soviet command


Having defeated the main forces of the Volunteer Army in the battles for Oryol and Voronezh, and defeating part of the forces of the Don Army, the Red Command continued the offensive without a pause. The commander-in-chief of the Red Army, Sergei Kamenev (a graduate of the General Staff Academy, a former colonel of the tsarist army), proposed delivering three cutting blows to the enemy. The troops of the 13 and 14 red armies delivered the first blow in the Kursk-Kharkov direction with the task of dissecting the Volunteer Army into two parts and, in cooperation with the units of the neighboring 12 Army and the 1 Horse and 8 Army, destroy the enemy army.

The 2nd strike was delivered by the adjacent wings of the Southern Front (1st Cavalry and 8th Armies) and the South-Eastern Front (9th Army, Consolidated Cavalry Corps) at the joint between the Volunteer and Don Don Army in order to complete the division, defeat separately, liberate the Donetsk region and go to Taganrog and Rostov-on-Don. Thus, the Reds from the Voronezh region had to break through to the Sea of ​​Azov, dismember the troops of the FYUR, cutting off volunteers fighting in the Kharkov, Donbass and Little Russia regions from the Cossack regions of the Don and Kuban. The Soviet command calculated that, having lost contact with the volunteers, the Cossack front would quickly stagger and collapse. Therefore, the 1st Cavalry Budenny corps on November 17, 1919 deployed to the 1st Cavalry Army. The Budyonny strike group initially consisted of: 4th, 6th and 11th cavalry divisions, the 9th and 12th infantry divisions of the 8th army were operatively subordinate, in cooperation with it they had to advance, cover the flanks , 40th and 42nd divisions. The group also included a detachment of armored trains, an armored squad of trucks with machine gun mounts and aviation squad.

The third blow was dealt by the left wing of the Southeast Front - the 10 and 11 I Soviet armies. The main objective of the operation is the liberation of Tsaritsyn, the separation of the forces of the Don and the Caucasian army, their defeat and access to Novocherkassk, the liberation of the Don region.


White Command Plans


The general idea of ​​White was to go on the defensive, to keep the flanks - Kiev and Tsaritsyn, to keep the borders of the Dnieper and the Don. Use the right wing of the Volunteer Army and the left wing of the Don Army to counter-attack the enemy strike group, which broke through in the Voronezh-Rostov direction.

For this blow, an equestrian group was formed - the 4th cavalry corps of Mamontov, the remains of the 3th cavalry corps of Shkuro. The 2th Kuban Corps of Ulagai was transferred, which was taken from the composition of the Caucasian Army, the Plastun brigade of the Don Army and other units. The general command was carried out by Mamontov. The new commander Wrangel immediately came into conflict with Shkuro and Mamontov, whom he considered the main culprits of the disorder of the horse corps. Skin dropped out due to illness. Wrangel, who had earlier sharply criticized Mamontov, decided to take the command of the group away from General Mamantov, leaving him the commander of the 4 horse corps and subordinate General Ulagay. Offended Mamontov left the troops. This intensified the decay of the Kuban and Don people, who refused to fight and sought to leave for their native villages.

Angry Denikin gave the order to dismiss Mamontov from command. However, he met the resistance of the Don Ataman Bogaevsky and the command of the Don Army. The Don leadership indicated that the removal of Mamontov had a negative impact on the army, and the 4th Don Corps was generally scattered and only Mamontov could assemble it. Indeed, when the 4 Corps was transferred back to the Don Army, Mamontov led it again, gathered a significant number of fighters, and subsequently the Don Mammoths dealt several strong blows to the red cavalry. As a result, Denikin had to give in to the Cossacks and give the Don units from the horse group back to the Don Army.

Thus, a full-fledged equestrian group was never formed. White decomposed. Military failures, mistakes and discord among the command could not but affect the troops. General Ulagay on 11 of December reported on the complete lack of combat capability of his group: “... Don units, although of large composition, do not at all want and cannot withstand the lightest pressure from the enemy ... There are absolutely no Kuban and Tere units ... There is almost no artillery machine guns, too ... ". The desertion of the Kuban took on a massive scale. Army commander Wrangel, instead of collecting regiments somewhere in the rear of the army in order to put them in order, gave the order to withdraw the "personnel" of the Kuban divisions to the Kuban for reformation. As a result, Cossacks and deserters evading the battle moved to a legal position and masses reached the rear. For Don, whole regiments went home, on good horses, armed, which caused bewilderment and bitterness among the remaining Cossacks. The flight only intensified. Returning to their native villages, the Cossacks finally decomposed and lost their combat effectiveness.

With the collapse of the equestrian group, the position of the Volunteer Army became even more difficult. Volunteers subsequently had to make the most difficult flank march under attacks from the right flank of the powerful Soviet 1th Cavalry Army.

In addition, the discord continued in the supreme command of the All-Union Socialist League. General Wrangel believed that the situation on the right flank of the Volunteer Army forces him to break off ties with the Don Army and withdraw troops to the Crimea. Referring to the inevitability of breaking ties with the Headquarters, he requested the appointment of a commander of all of the Kiev region, New Russia and the Volunteer Army. Denikin was categorically against the departure to the Crimea. If the volunteers did not resist, then it was necessary to retreat to Rostov in order to maintain contact with the Don army. The departure of volunteers to the Crimea, according to the commander in chief, would immediately destroy the Cossack front, would cause the loss of the Don and the entire North Caucasus. Cossacks would react to such acts as betrayal.

Objective reasons for a strategic change in favor of the Red Army


The White Movement was not able to achieve support from wide sections of the population (Why did the White Army lose?) So the peak of the victories of Denikin’s army in September - October of the 1919 of the White was about 150 thousand people, Kolchak had about 50 thousand soldiers, and Yudenich, Miller and Tolstov - 20 thousand people each. The Red Army at that time already numbered up to 3,5 million people (in the spring there were about 1,5 million).

Despite the introduction of mobilization, the principle of the formation of the armies of the All-Union Socialist League remained half voluntary. Mobilization was effective only where they met the support of the population, that is, they were on the verge of volunteering - mainly in Cossack regions. In the bulk of the people mobilization caused a negative result. The peasants in their mass met news they were hostile about mobilization and preferred to go to the red partisans, rebels and "green" gangs. This led to the formation of a "second front" in the rear of the whites, which became one of the main reasons for the defeat of the White Army. The townspeople, even in such large cities as Kiev and Odessa, were either neutral or hostile to Denikinists, supported the Bolsheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, nationalists, anarchists, etc. The bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia (wealthy urban strata) did not want to go to the front, they preferred debate about the future of Russia, fled abroad. Cities did not give White powerful support. The officers who were hostile to the Bolsheviks fought for a long time, and by the fall of 1919, their mobilization resource had been exhausted. Many officers joined the Red Army, while others preferred fleeing abroad, biding, or joining nationalist regimes.

Another reason for the defeat of the White Army is the central position of Soviet Russia regarding white formations. The Bolsheviks retained the most industrialized, populated part of Russia. Provinces with the most developed communications. With capitals - Moscow and Petrograd. This made it possible to maneuver forces, from one front to another, the successive defeat of the white armies.

Also, the Red Command was able in the shortest possible time to create a new army of Russia - the Red Army. If at first it was a semi-partisan formation, with the voluntary principle of manning, now the regular army has fought. The Bolsheviks skillfully used up to a third of the tsarist officers and generals, general staff, military experts. If the white armies at first had complete superiority in the quality of the units, they beat the more numerous enemy. Now the situation has changed radically. In the Red Army appeared elite, special units, with high fighting spirit, disciplined, well-armed and with combat experience. Skilled, brave and experienced commanders, generals advanced. The White Army, on the contrary, was greatly degraded, decomposed.

Thus, the Bolsheviks won because they offered the people a draft of the future in the interests of the majority. They had faith, an image of the future and a program. They had an iron will and energy. Finally, the Bolsheviks had a powerful organization, and not a “swamp” like the whites.
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  1. Mcar
    Mcar 6 December 2019 05: 32
    +16
    Thus, the Bolsheviks won because they proposed to the people majority project for the future. They had faith, image of the future and program. They had iron will and energy. Finally, the Bolsheviks had powerful organizationand not a “swamp”, like the whites.

    Involuntarily compared to today ...

    A project of the future in the interests of the majority is not and is not expected.
    Programs and faith in the image of a better future were not given by the helmsmen to the people.
    The Kremlin nobility point blank has neither iron will nor energy.
    Language does not turn out to call organization powerful: there is a message, but there is no fulfillment - a swamp.

    So can they defeat the peoples of Russia?
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 07: 21
      +7
      It is precisely that, through the efforts of American advisers to the president-drunk, the absence of ideology is spelled out in the Constitution. Those. we do not have a clear understanding of where we are going and for what.
      In the United States, officially, there is also no ideology, but there is an ideology of enslavement of the whole world on the Anglo-Saxon gene level and they live with this ideology, with the holy belief that they can invade the affairs of the whole world, for the sake of their interests. Trump said that oil in Syria is their oil and the whole world shook it silently, no one even uttered a sound, try Russia to say something similar, there will be a screech all over the world.
      It is urgently necessary to acquire an ideology and do not care what others will say, otherwise we will still stagnate in the swamp!
      1. Mcar
        Mcar 6 December 2019 07: 49
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        It is urgently necessary to acquire an ideology and do not care what others will say, otherwise we will still stagnate in the swamp!

        Ideology is a form of thinking of groups of people, therefore the same set of ideas cannot be essentially suitable for all social groups and communities.

        In the USSR, such as there are now stratifications into groups, classes, and strata. The people as a whole were monolithic and, accordingly, ideology could be unified. Now this is not possible. Well, judge for yourself - what common ideals can a steelmaker and oligarch have? No, something very basic from the unifying one can be found, but ideas on how to live, where to move, what to dream about, what to die for, etc. various.

        A common ideology for a country as socially divided as Russia is unlikely to find. They can’t find her, no matter how hard they try. They invent all sorts of nonsense to an ideology that has nothing to do with anything else.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 08: 27
          +7
          McAr (Alexander)
          A common ideology for a country as socially divided as Russia is unlikely to find. They can’t find her, no matter how hard they try. They invent all sorts of nonsense to an ideology that has nothing to do with anything else.
          I agree that November 4 alone is worth it. "Day of National Unity" damn burnt. The most paradoxical is that if we celebrate the day of the expulsion of the Poles, then it again falls on November 7, and not on the 4th. And the parade in honor of the Parade on November 7, 1941 is generally the height of the insanity of the new authorities. And what was that Parade in honor of?
          We’re breaking every spear about the Civilian’s spears with crystal bakers, the Mausoleum is being draped on May 9, a parade in honor of the Parade is being appointed, monuments to Kolchak, Wrangel and Solzhenitsyn are being erected.
          Hence the conclusion that the civil war has been going on for more than 100 years and it is not over. The authorities, feeling their helplessness and worthlessness before the Soviet especially, the Stalinist period, are trying with all their might to pour mud on it and erase the memory of ordinary people, but the more they try, the more people appear who are nostalgic for Stalin. And the more power will try, the greater the opposition among the people will grow.
          For some reason, the authorities in our country are diligently unable to understand that it is necessary to fight against the Soviet past not by methods of dousing with mud, but by methods that are better and fairer than it was during the USSR and only this way, but not otherwise. The only misfortune is that neither the government itself, nor the current system in Russia can ever provide this. It is always easier to steal than to build and build!

          P.S. I don’t have a photo for some reason, but anyone can look at the grave of Stalin, drowning to the very bust in flowers, and at the monument to Kolchak, where the flowers, if any, were brought by a couple of crazy ones, like our local crust bakers.
          That's the whole indicator of folk love and support!
      2. Solieri
        Solieri 6 December 2019 08: 31
        0
        Troubles. 1919 year. 100 years ago, in December 1919, Soviet troops The southern and southeastern front inflicted a heavy defeat on the Armed forces of the South of Russia.

        Dear author! There were no Soviet troops at that time, but there were troops of the Red Army! Please correct!
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 08: 34
          +3
          Solleri (Fantastronych)
          Dear author! There were no Soviet troops at that time, but there were troops of the Red Army! Please correct!
          This author does not stoop to such trifles; he has been pointed out many times already!
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 December 2019 10: 46
          -7
          Quote: Salieri
          There were no Soviet troops at that time, but there were troops of the Red Army!

          Well, yes, there was Soviet power, but there were no Soviet troops ... belay
          What is it like?
          The author has every right to say so.
          1. Solieri
            Solieri 6 December 2019 12: 05
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Well, yes, there was Soviet power, but there were no Soviet troops ...
            What is it like?
            The author has every right to say so.

            The official name of the Soviet Army, (Red Army) was received by the Red Army only in 1946 ... Soviet Power - this is the Red Army at that time. The author only shows illiteracy and no less and no more.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 6 December 2019 12: 21
              -9
              Quote: Salieri
              formal Soviet name Army, (Red Army) The Red Army received only 1946 ... Soviet Power is the Red Army while. The author only shows his ignorance and no less and no more.

              About illiteracy, you'd better keep quiet:
              Comrades! You already know how great the capture of Kazan took on for the entire Russian revolution, which marked a turning point in the mood of our army, its transition to firm, decisive victorious actions. The heavy sacrifices you made in battles save the Republic of Soviets. The strength of the republic in the struggle against imperialists depends on the strengthening of the army; the victory of socialism in Russia and in the whole world depends. Heartily I greet the heroic Soviet troops, An army of vanguard exploited fighting for the overthrow of exploitation, and wish you continued success.

              With comradely and communist greetings
              V. Ulyanov (Lenin)


              as Lenin called the troops, so the author
              1. Solieri
                Solieri 6 December 2019 15: 57
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                With all my heart I welcome the heroic
                Soviet troops
                , an army of vanguard exploited, fighting to overthrow exploitation, and wish you continued success.

                With comradely and communist greetings
                V. Ulyanov (Lenin)

                Please provide a link. Otherwise, it's just Fake. Could V.I. Lenin so-called the Red Army, but the author could.
              2. Solieri
                Solieri 6 December 2019 16: 43
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                as Lenin called the troops, so the author

                Olgovich (Andrey), are you just an illiterate liberalist or a monarchist? Word Lenin capitalized. Learn the great Russian language!
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 7 December 2019 07: 24
                  -6
                  Quote: Salieri
                  Word Lenin capitalized. Learn the great Russian language!

                  Yes you? lol

                  word lenin:

                  Great Dictionary of Russian language.
                  the search word is missing
                  orthographic dictionary
                  the search word is missing
                  Management in Russian
                  the search word is missing
                  Russian verbal stress
                  the search word is missing
                  Dictionary of proper names
                  the search word is missing
                  Synonym dictionary
                  etc.
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                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 7 December 2019 11: 58
                      -3
                      Quote: Salieri
                      "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                      And arguing with a woman is the same
                      What to draw water sieve:
                      Deliver us from these three, God! .. "

                      Pushkin remarkably expressed that, on the basis of which I stop communicating with you, an ignoramus hi
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                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 8 December 2019 09: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Olgovich (Andrey)! This is higher than M. Yu. Lermontov, not A.S. Pushkin!

                        This is a magnificent Pushkin.
                        «Fight, grunts, boob boob,
                        You will not wait my friend
                        A slap in the face of my hand.
                        Your solemn face
                        Goosily so much like a woman
                        What only asks for jelly "
                        .

                        Like reading you ... lol
                        .
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Learn the Great Russian Language for BeginningLo! I don’t communicate with corrupt people like you. Apparently, with understanding the meaning of Russian expressions you have big problems and not only.

                        To begin, learn to write in Russian.
                        How are the Soviet troops of the Gr War? Are you at war with them all? lol
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                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 8 December 2019 11: 33
                        -2
                        Quote: Salieri

                        Only an ignorant ignoramus can write his stupid opuses on history and at the same time not know V.I. Lenin, as well as the history of Russia, arguing nonsense about the Red Army, not even knowing what it was called at that time.


                        1. I agree with the dictionaries given. RUSSIAN LANGUAGE
                        2. Are you still fighting ... Lenin for the Red Army against .. SOVIET troops ?! belay
                        The ignorant still has a newspaper from 1918: "Soviet Troops of the North Caucasus ”(Pravda No. 235 for 1918). Butt with her too. lol
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Confuse M. Yu. Lermontov with A. S. Pushkin, can only an ignoramus like you, Olgovich (Andrey) !. Complete ignorance and neglect of the Russian language - learn the punctuation section and not only, illiterate.

                        1. belay Where is it? Pushkin, to which I referred to you given,. -cm. higher
                        2. For punctuation, let's be more specific, with examples. And then PONA look like a BOLD
                        Quote: Salieri
                        For you and about you:
                        “Half-milord, half-merchant,
                        Half-wise, half-ignorant ...
                        Half-scoundrel, but there is hope
                        What will be complete at last. "

                        Milaaai, this is written in ...19th century for N.M. Vorontsova. If you think that I am Vorntsov of the 19th century, then you should join the company of A. Makedosnky and Napoleon. yes
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Only Jew will write lies and nonsense from time to time, jumping on VO, so that only his statement would be the last. Otherwise rabbi will condemn!

                        Nope, it’s abruptly Macedonian ... recourse belay
                        Well, at least far ..... yes
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                      7. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 8 December 2019 12: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Salieri
                        You are completely illiterate in Russian, ignorant Olgovich! It will be rightalo.

                        belay fool lol This YOU wrote:
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Learn the Great Russian Language for BeginningLO!

                        And this is for you to eliminate illiteracy:
                        : Large Explanatory Dictionary
                        BEGINNING, a; Wed 1. The starting point, the edge of smth., Having an extension; the space adjacent to this point, the face (opposite: end). N. ways. N. streets. N. river, mountain range. Here he takes his m. mountain stream. 2. The first moment, the first period of smth., Flowing in time, the first stage of smth. action, development of phenomena. N. academic year. N. transition to the market. N. work on the project. N. life path. Put n .; give n to smth. (to begin). For BEGINNINGS


                        So will there be examples of punctuation or, as usual, in the bushes? wink
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Underage, illiterate and deceitful strategist!

                        You touched me! yes

                        ps. SHO there with .. Soviet troops in 1918? belay lol
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                      9. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 8 December 2019 14: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Olgovich (Andrey), an ignoramus and here does not know anything, distorting the meaning of what I wrote! My proposal says about the beginning, the starting point and no more members of in the offer no., related to the beginning. Learn Russian, Jewish "literate". You don't even understand what you are writing about, trying to distort what you have written!

                        Once again, for the "tanker": Quote:
                        Solieri
                        Learn the great Russian language for Start!

                        Which "members" - to which beginning? lol
                        DICTIONARY cited by me - memorize, finally.
                        Quote: Salieri
                        You are apparently blinded, dear Olgovich! Learn Russian - punctuation rules and more.

                        So where are the punctuation errors ME?
                        Quote: Salieri
                        Do not forget your mind illiterate clown.


                        what a hot little one! lol
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            2. Solieri
              Solieri 6 December 2019 16: 57
              0
              Greeting Red Army regarding the capture of Kazan
              Kazan, Trotsky

              I greet with delight a brilliant victory Red Army.
              Let it serve as a guarantee that the union of workers and revolutionary peasants will completely break up the bourgeoisie, break down all the resistance of the exploiters and ensure the victory of world socialism.
              Long live the world workers revolution!

              Lenin
              Written September 11, 1918

              Published on September 12, 1918 in the newspapers Pravda No. 195 and Izvestia VTsIK No. 197

              Is printed by manuscript.
      3. Civil
        Civil 6 December 2019 12: 31
        0
        It is precisely that, through the efforts of American advisers to the president-drunk, the absence of ideology is spelled out in the Constitution.

        Ideology is a collection of ideas and interests of a certain group of people posing as the interests of the whole people.
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    3. Civil
      Civil 6 December 2019 09: 55
      0
      As of December 06.12.2019, XNUMX - both sides lost. All the stated goals of the parties are not realized. A meaningless civil war has come out.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 10: 24
        +5
        Civil (Vadim)
        As of December 06.12.2019, XNUMX - both sides lost. All the stated goals of the parties are not realized. A meaningless civil war has come out.
        Well, why, for now, we must admit that whites gained the upper hand in 1991 and so far they are in power. After all, the White fought precisely for such a Russia, where a small handful of capitalists own everything, and the bulk of the people are powerless.
        Another thing is that the war is not over yet and whether it will end at all!
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 December 2019 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Well, why, for now, we must admit that whites gained the upper hand in 1991 and so far they are in power. After all, the White fought precisely for such a Russia, where a small handful of capitalists own everything, and the bulk of the people are powerless.

          Clear boys are in power. And there are no goals there like those of white and red. This is the end of the story.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2019 06: 29
    +1
    The Bolsheviks won because they managed to attract the masses, convinced that they were right ...
    question, but what, who and why are we leading somewhere ???
    By inertia, motion cannot be infinite ....
  3. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 6 December 2019 06: 50
    +2
    The photo is hard to see, there is a man in a helmet. It’s interesting, as I saw a film of the 20s about the Citizen, there the riders are not in budenovki, but in French-style helmets.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 6 December 2019 18: 02
      0
      https://war-time.ru/foto/item/shlem-adriana-m1916-m1915-adrianka-podborka-2
      1. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 7 December 2019 08: 39
        +1
        Thank you, I mean, that this helmet was actively used in the GW, after the PMV.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 7 December 2019 09: 07
          +1
          . The Red Army and the whites used these helmets to the limit.
          41st year, Theater. Vakhtangov organized a local air defense squad. The soldiers of the detachment were armed with French helmets of Adrian. They simply took them from the theater props and went to the roofs to defend the capital ...
  4. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 6 December 2019 07: 56
    0
    The current Bolsheviks are clinging to the feeder, pushing their sides. Work out ... Depict the opposition ...
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 08: 43
      +9
      This is where you now saw the Bolsheviks? They are now except that in a state of squirrels you can see. If you are talking about the current Communist Party, because they are not Bolsheviks or even communists, a real communist cannot be an oligarch (albeit quasi-miserable in relation to other sharks of capitalism). None of the current Communist Party, well, with the possible exception of ordinary members, can be considered a communist, certainly neither Zyuganov nor Grudinin have absolutely nothing to do with real communists.
      I'll tell you more, these are leeches parasitizing on people's nostalgia for the times of the USSR. These are the real parasites that sucked to the trough and supposedly depicting the opposition. I stopped respecting Zyuganov and stopped believing the Communist Party of the Russian Federation after the 1996 elections, when he won, but shamefully drained his electorate to a drunk. After that, he died for me, as a person and as a leader! He is a political corpse and produces corpses like Grudinin around him. Until the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is cleansed of such "leaders", this movement will never win.
      1. solzh
        solzh 6 December 2019 08: 54
        +1
        But there are no other communist parties in our elections. And those that are on the lists are hardly communist. There is RKRP, but for some reason they are not participating in the elections. So it remains to vote only for the Communist Party.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 09: 23
        +2
        In general, I agree, but even the current Grudinin are afraid. I’m dealing with several regional newspapers, so this year the administration massively promoted him the article on what a bad Grudinin is, a man and a family man. Those. absolutely the same text in different newspapers was published simultaneously.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 6 December 2019 09: 37
          +1
          They will be afraid of anyone who is not from their cage, it does not matter Grudinin or anyone else. It’s just that any outside candidate will not be suitable for the top, for his arrival will threaten a new redistribution of property with all the ensuing deaths, mutilated corpses and other delights. Therefore, Putin’s heir will also be out of the cage, maybe someone from those that are in sight, for example, Volodin or Shoigu, or maybe someone who jumps out of the box just before the election.
          In any case, it is useless to wait for a new Stalin from this shobla.
        2. 7,62x54
          7,62x54 6 December 2019 09: 46
          +3
          They are afraid of Grudinin, but they are afraid of ordinary tractor drivers who wanted to drive to the Kremlin from the Kuban, or the same shaman walking across the country on foot. Because Grudinin is a man from the troupe, with his role as a distributor. And ordinary hard workers from the people, they have more confidence.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 09: 41
      +4
      They (the Communist Party) are the same Bolsheviks as the Communists. None! The top is for sure!
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 6 December 2019 10: 41
    -13
    Another reason for the defeat of the White Army is the central position of Soviet Russia regarding white formations. The Bolsheviks retained the most industrialized, populated part of Russia. Provinces with the most developed communications. With capitals - Moscow and Petrograd. This made it possible to maneuver forces, from one front to another, the successive defeat of the white armies

    Yes it is. In addition, ALL the reserves of the huge Russian army of WWI were captured by the Bolsheviks, almost all the plants.

    White didn't have ANYTHING. All weapons were either obtained in battle or supplied by the Allies unevenly, often not intermittently ... Somehow the party arrived ... foil for fencing!
    The principle of the formation of the armies of the All-Union Federal Reserve for Ukraine, despite the introduction of mobilization, remained half volunteer.

    Yes, it was precisely the PEOPLE'S army, in contrast to the Reds, where the "voluntariness" in the formation of the army was completely BROKEN. And only the most brutal mobilization, with the executions of deviators, hostages of the families of those called up, mass reprisals against deserters allowed them to recruit an army. And all the same, up to 50% -DESERT.
    In the Red Army appeared elite, special units, with high morale, disciplined

    Yes: the Latvian and Estonian red mercenaries and other Magyars left a terrible bloody trace in the history of Russia. Sturmbannfuhrer SSHe is red. Latvian shooter Peteris, holder of the Order of the Red Banner and the Iron Cross - a vivid example of this ...
    ,
    the Bolsheviks won because they offered the people a draft of the future in majority interests. They had faith, an image of the future and a program.

    Yeah, only the majority forgot to ask about it. And - they were DEATHLY afraid of his opinion, without having held elections for more than 70 years and constantly deceiving him.
    Finally, the Bolsheviks had powerful organizationand not a “swamp”, like the whites.

    Naturally: whites had democracy with its natural flaws, and not a powerful Mafia organization: Coz Nostra also had an iron discipline.

    But, in contrast to the fans of the "powerful organization", they did not have to, disciplined, on command, in chorus shout: "Glory to Egoda!", "Death to Egoda!", Glory to Yezhov! "," Death to Yegoda! ", etc.

    By the way, is this "powerful"? lol Only a few tens of years — and there is no trace of it — with the complete indifference of members of the organization. But democracy was and is.

    И Flag of Russia roars over the country.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 6 December 2019 12: 40
      +6
      I was always amazed when, in one topic about the Civil War, there was an idea that all the reserves were in the hands of the Bolsheviks, etc. etc. and the idea that the "Reds" were not supported and they only "knocked out" support. By the beginning of the Civil War, members of the RCP (b) were 0,4% of the empire's active population (over 20 years old). That is, one Bolshevik among 249 non-Bolsheviks.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 December 2019 13: 05
        -12
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        I was always amazed when, in one topic about the Civil War, there was an idea that all the reserves were in the hands of the Bolsheviks, etc. etc. and the thought that the "Reds" were not supported and they only "knocked out" support

        Nothing unusual: people with poor understanding always live surrounded by sheer "oddities" hi
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 6 December 2019 16: 30
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      Yes, it was the PEOPLE'S army

      It is strange only that whites themselves thought otherwise. Having occupied a territory of 42 million people had a "people's" army of 150 thousand? Consisting all the more (believe for a minute!) HALF of volunteers. Those. there were 75 thousand of those? Compared with the 900 thousand deserters who arrived in the Red Army, who do not even realize that "massacres" are being committed over them and their families ... this is a difficult to compare ratio. And that's not counting the mass of red volunteers.
      In fact, there were even fewer volunteers in the “volunteer army”, and “peasants and workers mobilized forcibly by force” fought in it, as a result of which, to put it mildly, “there was no inner adhesion between officers and soldiers” (Shkuro). According to other White Guards, it was “not felt” like this: “The saddest thing is the mood of the soldiers. Young people constitute the best element, but, on the other hand, it is equally easily amenable to processing by both officers and Bolshevik agitators. And those, of course, are available.
      As for the old soldiers, most of them among them look at the officers from undercover and, of course, they will run to the Bolsheviks as soon as possible. Only fear holds them. All this is a bit like tamers in a cage with wild animals. The tamer is standing, holding a revolver in one hand and looking into the beast’s eyes, and he is afraid to turn his back on him. Unsuccessful movement, a little distraction - and the tamer died. So it is here. The officers are sleeping with a rifle at the head of the bed, with a revolver under the pillow and almost with a hand grenade on the night table. In the evening, the shutters are carefully locked and the locks at the doors are inspected ”(Stolypin)
      Quote: Olgovich
      White didn't have ANYTHING

      Yeah, nothing at all. Only the red ones passing through the territories liberated from white constantly got weapons (up to and including tanks) in the form of trophies and ammunition, uniforms and medicines, as a rule, new and in huge quantities.
      And in general: “The supply of the White armies was incomparably superior to that of the Reds. The troops of the Southern Front bore the greatest hardships due to the insufficient supply of all types, from bread to rifle and artillery supplies, while England and France supplied the whites to a sufficient extent ”(Egorov)
      However, there is nothing to be surprised at.
      The whites had NATURAL (more precisely, you will not say!) Flaws that did not have the slightest relation to democracy and should be called in one short word: Bardak. What we are now observing under the “flag of Russia” for the third decade ...
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 December 2019 08: 02
        -6
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        It is strange only that whites themselves thought otherwise. Having occupied a territory of 42 million people had a "people's" army of 150 thousand?

        You will be surprised, but having a territory with a population of 150 million people, at the beginning of 1918, the recruitment of volunteers into the "people's" army of "guards and government officials" FULLY ... failed.

        And here are the "Dobgovoltsy" gathered there:
        On the history of the Red Army, a delegate to the VIII Congress of the RCP (b) Sokolnikov, a member of the Central Committee of the Bolsheviks:
        selection was created worst elements. These worst elements were joined by those who joined the volunteer army not in order to fight and die, but because they were left without occupation, because they were thrown out into the street as a result of the catastrophic breaking of the entire social structure. Finally, the half-rotten remains of the old army went there ... In the end, a system of independent small detachments was formed, which were grouped around individual leaders. These units ultimately set their task not so much the struggle and defense of Soviet power and the gains of the revolution, how much banditry, looting. They turned into partisan detachments, which were the backbone of adventurism.
        lol
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        As for the old soldiers, among them the majority looks sneakily at the officers and, of course, when

        For all this chatter there is the fact of desertion in the "people's" army of workers up to 50%
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        Yeah, nothing at all. Only the red ones passing through the territories liberated from white constantly got weapons (up to and including tanks) in the form of trophies and ammunition, uniforms and medicines, as a rule, new and colossal quantity.

        Yes Yes...
        Denikin about France:
        “We did not receive any real help from her: no firm diplomatic support <...>, neither credit, nor supply ”.

        What was received from England was not on time and was not enough.
        In the Red Army-was ALL- from the factories and bases of the Russian Army
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        sufficiently supplied the whites ”(Egorov)

        Oh, you already have fascist and traitor (by definition of the VK of the USSR Armed Forces) Egorov - "authority". Bravo! lol
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        The whites had NATURAL (more precisely, you will not say!) Flaws that did not have the slightest relation to democracy and should be called in one short word: Bardak. What we are now observing under the “flag of Russia” for the third decade ...


        Let's go without a mess, in a single system, disciplined, on command, shout in chorus: "Glory to Egode!", "Death to Egoda!", Glory to Yezhov! "," Death to Yezhov! ", Glory to Merkulov!", "Death to Merkulov", etc.
        Bored, I understand .... hi
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 7 December 2019 14: 58
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          You will be surprised

          I won’t be surprised. There is a better example: the emperor and his successors - the VP with the same population lost their army
          Quote: Olgovich
          And here are the "Dobgovoltsy" gathered there:

          The important thing is not the beginning, but the end result. On the other hand, it was like this: “The White Cause” perished. Started by “almost saints”, it fell into the hands of “almost gangsters” (Shulgin). Feel the difference. wink
          Quote: Olgovich
          For all this chatter

          Not chatter, but a statement of facts. Numerous.
          Quote: Olgovich
          there is a fact of desertion in the "people's" army of workers up to 50%

          UP TO 50%? For White, desertion facts amounted to OT 50%. Feel the difference. wink
          Quote: Olgovich
          Denikin about France:
          “We have not received any real help from her: neither firm diplomatic support <...>, nor

          More precisely:
          "And nevertheless, French policy did not make its" choice ", remaining at a crossroads: France divided its attention between the Armed Forces of the South, Ukraine, Finland and Poland, providing more serious support to Poland alone, and only to save it later entered into more close relations with the command of the South in the final, Crimean period of the struggle.This circumstance gave the whole French policy in the "Russian question" the character of indecision, instability, baseless fortune-telling and the absence of that share of risk that is legal and inevitable in any large political enterprise.
          As a result, we did not receive any real help from her: neither firm diplomatic support, especially important in relation to Poland, nor credit, nor supplies "
          Those. for some reason they helped a lot of people, but only Denikin had to. Habitually, listen ... lol
          Denikin about England:
          "And in February, the delivery of British supplies began. Since then, we have rarely experienced a shortage of combat supplies. The medical unit has improved."
          Quote: Olgovich
          What was received from England was not on time and was not enough.

          Not enough, yes: "Uniforms and equipment, although they came in large sizes, but far from satisfying the needs of the fronts"
          WHY? “In addition, it was gradually plundered at the base, in spite of the imposition of the death penalty“ for the theft of items of state-owned weapons and uniforms. ” ... It is remarkable that all kinds of theft of military property and the sale of it to the side were met in society with an indifferent, often patronizing attitude. The market has its own laws: its extreme compression causes opposition, alien to moral motives. The uniforms received on the Don, after distribution to the Cossacks usually in the stanitsa and hid at the bottom of the still not devastated Cossack hideouts "(Denikin).
          "Despite the enormous wealth of local funds in the territory occupied by the troops of the South of Russia and the LARGE (- SM) material assistance in military supplies provided to us by the British, the troops needed everything. The main supply agencies of the headquarters did not cope with their task and did not know how to properly Most of the property supplied by the British was wasted, and while not only all rear administrations and institutions, but also a significant number of inhabitants were dressed in fresh English uniforms, the troops received the most insignificant amount of things.
          ... … The huge (! -SM.) Supplies delivered by the British were shamelessly plundered "(Wrangel).
          Democracy, yeah. The one in which the "free market, which itself will regulate everything", right? laughing
          Quote: Olgovich
          What is received from England - not on time

          And how exactly at the wrong time? Just before the arrival of the Reds, since it got them? That is, like Kolchak?
          "Knox spoke out very sharply that, in fact, we should not help, since we have no organization and most of the material assistance provided to us ends up being the property of the Reds. Knox is very offended that after the defeat of the Kappel corps, dressed in a new with a pinch of English uniforms and equipment, which switched to red, stupid Omsk scoffers began to call him the intendant of the Red Army and wrote a libelous letter in his name from Trotsky with gratitude for the good equipment (Budberg) laughing laughing
          The British, of course, love democracy, but love can have a limit! laughing laughing laughing
          Quote: Olgovich
          Oh, you already have a fascist and traitor (by definition of the VK of the USSR Armed Forces) Egorov - "authority". Bravo!

          In no way worse than your authorities: Sokolnikov and Trotsky. Bravissimo!
          Quote: Olgovich
          Bored, I understand.

          You wouldn’t understand ... There you are ... being taught. good
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 8 December 2019 11: 04
            -2
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            I won’t be surprised. There is a better example: the emperor and his successors - the VP with the same population lost their army

            Rave?
            The army is demobilized by the so-called SNK. It is a fact,
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            The important thing is not the beginning, but the end result. On the other hand, it was like this: “The White Cause” perished. Started by “almost saints”, it fell into the hands of “almost gangsters” (Shulgin). Feel the difference.

            The end result is so disgraceful that nothing more happened in the world: the "naked" regime collapsed so instantly and monumental, and CAM, that the enemies were in shock.
            To bring an unfortunate victim and a puppet of the regime is simply mean.
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            WHY? "It, moreover,

            The blind man does not "notice" what EXCEPT. And THAT he doesn't "see" lol laughing
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Democracy, yeah. The one in which the "free market, which itself will regulate everything", right?

            If stealing from you is democracy, then the USSR is the country of the most advanced democracy: there have never been so many "thieves" convicted of three stolen spikelets in one country in the world.
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            And how exactly at the wrong time? Just before the arrival of the Reds, since it got them? That is, like Kolchak?

            Most already paid for by Kolchak were not only late, but simply WAS NOT even sent. Knox thus justified their theft.

            As regards the armament of the enemy, the Bolsheviks have no equal: 80% armoredx forces and artillery of the Finnish army were .... TROPHY conscientious tanks. Sclerosis?
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            In no way worse than your authorities: Sokolnikov and Trotsky. Bravissimo!

            belay They are YOURS, dear man, they are the "WINNERS" in the civil war-Lion of the Revolution lol -founder and commander of the Red Army.
            Or are they -... bandits, in your opinion? Those. bandits-won in Gr. war ?! those. Are you for bandits ?! Confused, who are your heroes?
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            UP TO 50%? For White, desertion facts amounted to OT 50%. Feel the difference.

            Leave your own bullshit.
            Quote: Sugar Honeyovich

            You wouldn’t understand ... There you are ... being taught.

            belay fool lol

            Come on, lover of "order", train:: without a mess, in a single formation, disciplined, on command, shout in chorus: "Glory to Egode!", "Death to Egoda!", Glory to Yezhov! "," Death to Yezhov! ", Glory to Merkulov! "," Death to Merkulov ", etc. One-two, one-two ... yes
  6. antivirus
    antivirus 6 December 2019 15: 56
    +1
    decided to take command of the group from General Mamantov, leaving him the commander of the 4th cavalry corps and subordinated to General Ulagay. Offended Mamontov left the troops. This intensified the decay of the Kuban and Don people, who refused to fight and sought to leave for their native villages.

    -with such heroes-generals Nicholas 2 fought against the Germans - just a little "offended"
  7. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 6 December 2019 16: 08
    -4
    Won the organization-agitation-repression. L.D. Trotsky. Who does not agree?
    1. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 6 December 2019 18: 20
      +6
      And they lost the disorganization, pseudo-agitation, repression. Kolchak, Denikin, Yudenich, Wrangel and so on. Objections impossible? laughing
  8. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 7 December 2019 02: 07
    -1
    Quote: Sahar Medovich
    What we are now observing under the “flag of Russia” for the third decade ...

    The moans of the Zaputinians that crises, sanctions, or market conditions are beginning to annoy. For anything, Stalin did not stop for 11-13 years to achieve a result. Neither the illiteracy of the population, nor the lack of specialists, nor the consequences of two wars.
    Have you noticed that the flag is the same as those Belys that the current Belyes have? Maybe the reason for setting goals? Well, they did not want and do not want people to live well.
    1. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 7 December 2019 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      the flag is the same as those Belys that the current Belyes have? Maybe the reason for setting goals? Well, they did not want and do not want people to live well.

      Exactly and no other way. hi
      1. agond
        agond 6 February 2020 22: 50
        0
        Nevertheless, Linin was a humanist, he gathered dissenters from the intelligentsia in 1922, put them on a ship and sent them to Europe, but he could put them on a train and send them to Siberia, perhaps this would be fairer, by the way, the Old Believers went away on foot and by themselves.