General battle for Russia

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Smoot. 1919 year. 100 years ago, on 11-13 on October 1919 of the year, the Red Army launched a counterattack on the Southern Front. The Reds attacked in the Oryol and Voronezh directions. In the decisive battle of the Civil War, a radical change occurred in favor of the Reds. The Moscow campaign of Denikin’s army in Moscow crashed.

General battle for Russia

The entry of the Reds into the Eagle. Oryol Museum of Local Lore




Offensive VSYUR on Moscow


Fulfilling Denikin’s “Moscow Directive” of 3 on July 1919, all three armies of the FYUR (Volunteer, Don and Caucasian Armies) launched an offensive with varying success. The Wrangel’s Caucasian army fought on the far approaches to Saratov, the Sidorin Don Army in the central direction, the May-Mayevsky Volunteer Army in the Kursk direction.

At the same time, the white armies diverged hundreds of miles. On the left flank, whites discovered the weakness of the reds in Little Russia. On the western flank, the Southern Front of the Reds was destroyed most of all, which was associated with the extremely unsatisfactory fighting efficiency of the former rebel detachments in Little Russia, which joined the ranks of the Red Army. Denikinites easily occupied huge spaces and did not have the opportunity to gain a foothold there and organize a full-fledged defense. Maneuver warfare required constant movement. It was possible to cover the captured Yekaterinoslav region only with the development of the offensive, the pursuit and destruction of the weak 12th and 14th red armies. That is, it was necessary to capture the lower reaches of the Dnieper in order to cover the left flank of the Volunteer Army advancing on Kursk and Kiev. As a result, Denikin’s plan was adjusted. Without canceling the task of the offensive in the Moscow direction, the Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Socialist Liberation Union on July 30 (August 12) issued a new directive. It provided for the transfer of part of the Volunteer Army and the 3rd separate corps to the west. The Kiev group of troops of General Bredov is being formed to attack Kiev. The 3rd Army Corps of Schilling received the task with the assistance of the White Black Sea fleet take Kherson and Nikolaev, then Odessa.


Denikin and Wrangel at the parade in Tsaritsyn, 1919 year. Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org


Thus, the white command decided to use the favorable situation in the western direction to occupy the regions of New Russia and Little Russia. The quick attack did not let the Reds come to their senses, put themselves in order, organize a tough defense and take advantage of the force. Denikin’s army also captured rich lands, received a food base, human reserves and huge military supplies left over from various armies (starting with the tsar’s). The North Caucasus could not become a full-fledged base of the All-Union Socialist League, it was already exhausted by previous mobilization. As the war moved away from the region, fewer people wanted to leave their native places. In addition, the movement in the Kiev direction brought Denikin's army closer to Poland, which opposed Soviet Russia.

The advancing Armed Forces of the South of Russia were constantly intensifying. Victories strengthened the ranks of Denikin's army. Volunteer army in the beginning of May in the Donetsk basin totaled, after the capture of Kharkov 25 June, despite all the heavy losses incurred in battles and from illnesses, the combat strength of the army was 26 thousand people. By the time of the capture of Poltava on 31 in July, the army had grown to 40 thousand soldiers. The Don army, which had previously been defeated and numbered up to 15 thousand by the beginning of May, numbered 20 thousand by 28 in June and 20 thousand soldiers by the 45 of July. The 3 Army Corps, with a force of only about 4 thousand people, who in early June launched an offensive from the Ak-Manai positions, replenishing along the way, went all over Crimea, 23 - 24 took Odessa on August. On the basis of the corps, a group of forces of the Novorossiysk region was formed under the command of General Schilling of up to 16 thousand people. In total, the number of VSYUR increased from May to October from about 65 thousand to 150 thousand people.

The seizure by the White Guards of huge areas caused the rise of all anti-Soviet elements, which strengthened the ranks of the All-Union Socialist League. Denikin's army was on the moral rise, but it did not last long. The bulk of the people were indifferent, or hostile, to the whites, and only waited for the arrival of the reds to openly speak. Denikin’s army will soon face a large-scale insurgent, peasant movement in the rear, which, as in the East of Russia (Kolchak’s army), will become one of the leading causes of the defeat of the white movement.


Source of maps: https://bigenc.ru


Mammoth Raid


The Soviet command of emergency measures restored the combat capability of the Southern Front. In Little Russia, the former Ukrainian armies were reorganized on the basis of a regular principle, replaced by a number of weak commanders. The commander in chief of the Red Army, Watsetis, was replaced by Kamenev (former commander of the Eastern Front), the commander of the Southern Front, Gittis was replaced by Egorov. The most brutal measures (revolutionary tribunals, detachments, etc.) restored discipline in units. All reserves went south. New mobilization carried out, the army replenished. Several divisions were removed and sent to the Southern Front from the Eastern and Western Fronts. New fortified areas are being created - Saratov, Astrakhan, Voronezh, Kursk and Kiev. The number of troops of the Southern Front reached over 180 thousand people and about 900 guns. As a result, the pace of the offensive of Denikin’s army in July - the first half of August slowed down sharply and progress was negligible. Only the Caucasian army 26 July captured Kamyshin.

The Soviet command was preparing for a counterattack. Just as in the spring, they planned to defeat the white army with two powerful converging blows. On the left wing, the main blow was to be delivered by the Shorin Special Group (units of the 9 and 10 armies); Selivyachev’s group (units of the 8 and 13 armies) attacked Kupyansk, at the junction of the Volunteer and Don armies. With the success of the first stage of the operation, Shorin's group was to break through to Rostov-on-Don, cutting off the Don region from the North Caucasus. Support operations were to be carried out by the 11 Army from Astrakhan and the 14 Army in Little Russia.

Due to the lengthy preparations, the plan became known to the Allied command. The White Command decided to deliver a preemptive strike to the horse corps. Initially, it was planned that the 4th Cossack Corps of Mamontov and the 2th Don Corps of Konovalov would break the front at the junction of the 8 and 9 Red Army, then would rush to Moscow, raising a large-scale uprising behind enemy lines. However, Konovalov’s corps was linked by battles at the front; only Mamontov’s corps was sent to the raid. His tasks were narrowed. The Cossacks were to walk along the rear of the Southern Front, take Kozlov, where the headquarters of the Red Front was. This was to lead to a disorganization of enemy control and communications, and frustrate the advance of the Southern Front. Then, due to the deterioration of the situation and data on the arrival of large red forces, the task was further limited. The corps was aimed at Voronezh, in the rear of the Selivyachev group.

On the morning of August 10 1919 the Mamontov corps (about 9 thousand bayonets and sabers, 12 guns, 12 armored trains and 3 armored vehicles) struck the joint of the Soviet armies, northwest of Novokhopyorsk. Cossacks easily broke through the front, the Reds' attempts to stop the breakthrough were unsuccessful. The Cossacks went north. That is, Mamontov violated the order, since he had to go west. Heavy rains that washed away roads became an excuse. Another reason - the Mammoth did not want to get involved in a battle with a strong group of Selivyachev. It was easier to go north, to smash and plunder the rear, avoiding a collision with the enemy. The Mammoth soldiers of 11 August intercepted the Gryazi-Borisoglebsk railway, and 3 the thousands of Red Army soldiers who were replenishing to the front, were taken prisoner and dismissed to their homes. Then the Cossacks captured the field training camp, where they dispersed several thousand more mobilized peasants. Also seized several trains with ammunition and property.


Commander of the 4 th Cavalry Corps of the Don Army, Lieutenant General K. K. Mamontov (Mamantov)


They tried to intercept Mamontov’s corps, but without success. Parts of the 56th Infantry Division were sent from the reserve of Shorin's group, but its vanguard was in the upper reaches of the river. Values ​​were scattered by the Cossacks. To cover the Tambov-Balashov railway, a cavalry brigade was advanced, but it was also scattered by the Mamontov corps. Then the Cossacks went around the enemy’s fortified position south of Tambov and on August 18 occupied the city. The city was captured by many captured, mobilized Tambov peasants. They were allowed to go home. More food and clothing depots were seized. During the raid, the Cossacks seized so many trophies and goods that they even handed out property and provisions to the local population. Of course, not for reasons of humanism, unusual for the Cossacks, but because there was so much good that there was nowhere to do. 22 August Cossacks were in Kozlov (Michurinsk). The headquarters of the Southern Front, which was located in Kozlov, fled.

In this situation, the Council of Defense of the Soviet Republic introduced martial law in six provinces (including Voronezh and Tambov). Revolutionary committees were created in district towns and railway stations to mobilize all forces for the defense of their territories. On August 25, a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Southern Front, Lashevich was appointed commander of the Internal Front (by September 10, about 12 thousand bayonets and sabers, 67 guns and more than 200 machine guns, plus aviation and armored trains). The Internal Front also included separate detachments of communists, internationalists, and special-purpose units (a total of about 11 thousand soldiers).

The Reds could not block and destroy the Mamontov corps. Taking advantage of the inconsistency of the enemy’s forces, the August 25 Cossacks began moving from Kozlov to the west and north-west. On their way, whites destroyed front and army depots, destroyed railway stations and bridges, dispersed several tens of thousands of peasants mobilized into the Red Army. A separate infantry brigade was formed from volunteers (later the Tula Infantry Division). On August 27, a small detachment of Mammoth soldiers occupied Ranenburg. The Red Command decided that the main enemy forces were located there, and began to concentrate its main group in this area. Meanwhile, Mamontov turned the corps on Lebedyan, and on August 28 captured this city. Then the Cossacks without any problems Xnumx August occupied Yelets, 31 September - Zadonsk, 5 September - Kastornoye, 6 September - Usman and 7 September - Voronezh.

Already on 12 of September the Reds knocked out the Mammoth members from Voronezh. The Red Command attempted to encircle and destroy the enemy corps south of Voronezh. To do this, the Horse Corps of Budenny (he led an offensive on the Tsaritsyno direction) and the 37th Infantry Division were removed from the front. But the White Cossacks, instead of moving south, along the left bank of the Don to Liski, turned southwest. On 17 of September, the Mamontov corps forced Don in the Gremyachye area. On 19 of September, the Mamontovites united with the 3-m Kuban corps of General Shkuro, who was nominated from the Stary Oskol region to help break through.

Thus, the 40-day raid of the 4-th Don corps greatly disorganized the rear of the Southern Front, diverted significant enemy forces (about 40 thousand bayonets and sabers) to fight the Cossack cavalry, which led to the weakening of the Red strike groups. However, White failed to completely disrupt the advance of the Southern Front. This was due to the inconsistency of the Mamontov’s corps with the main forces of the Don Army. At the same time, the Cossacks were carried away by robberies, did not fulfill the main task of forging the main enemy forces in battle, the corps decomposed very much by the end of the raid, overgrown with huge convoys with looted goods, and lost most of its combat effectiveness. Cossacks from warriors turned into looters. The trophies were huge. By the time they went out, carts up to 60 km long were stretching behind Mamontov’s corps. And after connecting with their own, a significant part of the Cossacks with convoys went to their native villages, to take the loot and mark. Only about 2 thousand sabers remained at the front of the corps.



Disruption of the Soviet counteroffensive


Shorin's special group went on the offensive on August 14 on August 1919. Budenny Corps was advancing on the western flank. The operation was supported by the Volga Military Flotilla and the Marine Corps Kozhanov. The offensive initially developed successfully. Bloodless in continuous battles, Wrangel’s troops were forced to retreat, retreat to Tsaritsyn. Reds 22 August recaptured Kamyshin and in early September went to Tsaritsyn. From the south, from the Astrakhan region, the 11-I Red Army also tried to advance on Tsaritsyn, but it was defeated and driven back by the whites. Part of the army was cut off from Astrakhan, blocked in the Black Yar region.

Meanwhile, the Soviet supreme command created a new front - Turkestan led by Frunze. It included the 1, 4 and 11 armies. In early September, Frunze arrived in Astrakhan. Comfronta pulled up reinforcements and made a risky and brave decision. He loaded ammunition onto the ships, took with him his headquarters and the entire army command, and broke into the Black Yar. The arrival of Frunze and the entire command restored the morale of the cut off units. Frunze launched an attack from the environment. At the same time hit from Astrakhan. The blockade was broken. 11-I army again went to Tsaritsyn. But already without Frunze, who returned to the Turkestan direction, where the situation also escalated.

As a result, a fierce battle broke out for Tsaritsyn. The Reds attacked the city from north and south. On 5 of September, units of the 10 Army launched an assault on the city, but the forces of the 28 and 38 Rifle Divisions and the landing squad of Kozhanov’s sailors were not enough; The Red Army broke through the main defensive positions of the whites, but Tsaritsyn again confirmed the glory of the impregnable fortress. Wrangel threw the last reserves into battle, the Kuban cavalry launched a counterattack. Fierce fighting continued for several days, then there was a lull. Denikins kept Tsaritsyn, but lost their strategic advantage in this direction. East of Tsaritsyn, the 11-I Red Army united with the 10-I, cutting off Denikin’s army from the Ural Army.

With their right flank, Shorin's group inflicted a number of attacks on the Don Army. Don Cossacks retreated again. In the villages had to carry out mobilization. The Reds pushed the White Cossacks to the line of Khopr and Don, but could not break through the front. It was not possible to force the water line. The 2th Don Corps of Konovalov threw the enemy behind Khoper. In September, Shorin's group again tried to advance. Parts of the 9 Army reached the Don on a site in 150 km, and captured a number of villages. The Cossacks retreated to the high, right bank and took pre-prepared positions. All attempts by the Red Army to force a hand were repelled. On this front stabilized. The offensive of Shorin's group ran out of steam.

The 13-I and 14-I red armies were preparing for an attack on the Kharkov direction. Their operations were scheduled for August 16, but the whites identified the enemy. Three days earlier, Kutepov’s corps struck. The Western Army Group, preparing the offensive, was crushed and driven back. Units of the 13 Army retreated to Kursk, the 14 Army to Konotop. As a result, the Selivyachev group launched an offensive without support from the western direction. Units of the 8-th Red Army broke through the enemy’s defenses, occupied the area of ​​Kupyansk. The Reds were 40 km from Kharkov, intercepted the Kharkov-Belgorod railway, even captured the staff train of the commander of the May-Mayevsky Volunteer Army. However, the White Command organized flanking counterattacks to encircle and destroy the Soviet group. From under Yekaterinoslav, the 8th Cavalry Corps of Shkuro was transferred here. On August 26, White launched a counterattack. The Reds of September 3 began to retreat, and by September 12 they left for Kursk. Selivyachev managed to avoid the environment, but the group suffered heavy losses.

Thus, the counterattack of the Red Army did not stop the enemy, although it slowed its advance in the central direction and improved the situation on the eastern flank. On the western flank, the situation was catastrophic. The defeat of the Selivyatchev group opened the May-Mayevsky army the path to new victories in New Russia and Little Russia. Denikin’s army again seized the strategic initiative and resumed the offensive in the Moscow direction.



To be continued ...
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  1. -2
    11 October 2019 06: 22
    Commander-in-Chief of the Red Army Watcetis Commander-in-Chief of the Southern Front Gittisa replaced by Egorova.

    Wacetis Joachim, according to the verdict of the Military College of the USSR Armed Forces 1938 -fascist, spy, terrorist. Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on charges of committing crimes under Art. 58-1 “b”, 58-8 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR were sentenced to capital punishment (execution) with confiscation of property and deprivation of military rank. He was shot on July 28, 1938 at the Kommunarka training ground.

    Egorov Alexander, Marshal of the USSR, VK of the Armed Forces of the USSR recognized as a spy, traitor, fascist. Shot on February 23, 1939, on the Day of the Red Army and Navy.

    Gittis Vladimir-according to the verdict of the Military College of the USSR Armed Forces 1938 - fascist, spy, terrorist. Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on charges of committing crimes under Art. 58-1 “b”, 58-8 and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR were sentenced to capital punishment (execution) with confiscation of property and deprivation of military rank. He was shot on July 28, 1938 at the Kommunarka training ground.

    Steel hedgehog gauntlets!
    1. +5
      11 October 2019 08: 10
      Olgovich (Andrey)
      Vatsetsis Ioakim, according to the sentence of the Military Collegium of the USSR Armed Forces in 1938, is a fascist, spy, terrorist.
      Well...? What's next?
      Can you remind you of the military ranks that Krasnov and Shkuro wore in the SS troops? And your favorite Denikin, calling on the American government to war with the USSR, is that how?
      There is nothing to blame on the mirror if the curve itself is on the face.
      1. +2
        11 October 2019 08: 41
        Monarchobelogvardeytsy they are .. They do not notice for themselves when their ancestors went to the service of the Nazis ..
        1. +4
          11 October 2019 08: 47
          But they really like to expose the purges in the USSR, like a scarecrow, they say, how the "bloody" Stalin dealt with the red commanders later. At the same time, they completely forget how they cleaned out all the leaders of the Great French Revolution in the same way. Anyway, any revolution devours those who gave birth to it.
          1. 0
            14 October 2019 09: 53
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            At the same time, they completely forget how in the same way they cleaned out all the figures of the Great French Revolution. Anyway, any revolution devours those who gave birth to it.

            And in America, blacks hang
          2. +2
            14 October 2019 10: 07
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            But they really like to expose the purges in the USSR, like a scarecrow, they say, how the "bloody" Stalin dealt with the red commanders later. At the same time, they completely forget how they cleaned out all the leaders of the Great French Revolution in the same way. Anyway, any revolution devours those who gave birth to it.

            There were repressions against those who walked under the table in 1917, what did they have to do with the revolution?
            And the children of "enemies of the people" for suffering? Is this also an echo of the revolution?
            1. -2
              14 October 2019 10: 10
              I’m not at all interested in getting into a dispute with you, so don’t try. Anyway, you will not give out anything new and interesting except your mantras to the mountain.
              1. +1
                14 October 2019 10: 17
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                I’m not at all interested in getting into a dispute with you, so don’t try. Anyway, you will not give out anything new and interesting except your mantras to the mountain.

                Mantras and stamps are with you, as an example of a revolution that devours those who gave birth to it.
        2. +3
          11 October 2019 09: 07
          Olgovich copy-paste this information in any post about Civil. As if that could change the outcome of the war.
          1. +4
            11 October 2019 09: 30
            Moskovit (Alexey)
            Olgovich copy-paste this information in any post about Civil. As if that could change the outcome of the war.
            And what remains for him, only godlessly lie. Because the result of the Civil War really can’t be broken by anything and can’t be corrected with any lie.
            White got what he deserved.
          2. -5
            11 October 2019 11: 40
            Quote: Moskovit
            Olgovich copy-paste this information in any post about Civil.

            Dull liar. Neither did he write about Yegorov’s fate, nor about Vatsetis.

            Another question is what fate most Bolshevik "heroes" gr. slaughterhouse is surprisingly monotonous and written like a carbon copy. Yes

            So this is a question for carbon copy writers. request
            Quote: Moskovit
            As if that could change the outcome of the war.

            The outcome of the war is known: on State Flag of Russia over the country, see more often. Yes

            And if you are a Muscovite, then try find on her map: Lenin Square, Bolshevik Street, Ilycha Square, ul. October 25, the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution, compatriots, communist st. etc. Yes

            Good luck in finding yesterday! hi
            1. +2
              11 October 2019 12: 14
              I’ve found it myself. In Kuban. I’m not interested in what’s happening in Moscow .. But what’s happening in that, real Russia .. And this day is today .. Few people remember Wrangel and Denikin, not to mention the skins-Krasnov ibn with him.
              1. -5
                11 October 2019 12: 38
                Quote: 210ox
                I’ve found it myself. In Kuban. I’m not interested in what is in Moscow .. But here’s what’s in that, real Russia going on..

                Here's what's going on:

                It -Ekaterinodar!. Yes
                Quote: 210ox
                And this day is today .. Few people recall Wrangel and Denikin, not to mention the skins-Krasnov Ibn with him

                Today, many people don’t remember Swiss Iliche not only, but don't know.
                hi
                1. +2
                  11 October 2019 12: 43
                  Olgovich (Andrey)
                  Today, many people not only don’t remember Swiss Iliche, but they don’t know.
                  Correctly true heroes in the furnace of history, and surfaced to the surface, something that does not sink. Krasnov and Shkuro are really your real heroes. You will not say anything. Tell me who your friend is (idol) and I will tell you who you are ...
                  Minions of the traitors of the Russian people, that’s who your whole monarchist shobla is, and you have the corresponding idols!

                  P.S. By the way, the mummers in your picture have the same relation to the Cossacks as a dung fly to a bee. I tell you as a hereditary Don Cossack, who has nothing to do with these mummers clowns.
                  1. -6
                    11 October 2019 12: 50
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    Right real heroes in the furnace stories

                    The history of SAMA drowns the stove - than it considers necessary. Yes
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    Minions traitors to the Russian people, that's who your whole monarch shobla, and your idols are appropriate!

                    What is so much anger in you? request recourse hi
                    1. +3
                      11 October 2019 12: 59
                      Olgovich (Andrey)
                      The history of SAMA drowns the stove - than it considers necessary. yes
                      Nothing of the kind, the winners write the story. Now in Russia like you have prevailed, and so far they can frolic. The question is how long. The story she knows you are developing in a spiral, so it is not yet known who will take it.
                      What is so much anger in you? request recourse hi
                      But I don’t feel any other feelings towards the enemies.
                      1. -4
                        11 October 2019 13: 52
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        Nothing of the kind, the story is being written Winners.

                        That's it. And it has nothing to do with full BANKRUPTS.
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        Now in Russia like you have prevailed, and so far they can frolic. The question is how long. The story she knows you are developing in a spiral, so it is not yet known who will take it.

                        lol
                        You, with ALL your SINGLE POWER power, crashed. ABOUT than you?
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        But I don’t feel any other feelings towards the enemies. [i] [/ i]went around

                        Yes
                      2. +2
                        11 October 2019 14: 55
                        Olgovich (Andrey)
                        You, with ALL your SINGLE POWER power, crashed. What are you speaking about?
                        This is more suited to your little king. It was he who wrote that he was "the owner of the Russian land", didn't he?
                        And the Secretary General of the CPSU did not have sole power in the USSR, he was a collegial body of the CPSU Central Committee, and he made key decisions. And Misha-tagged managed to drag out into his team outright traitors.
                        Why don’t you like history so much?
                      3. -4
                        11 October 2019 15: 13
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        This is more suited to your little king. It was he who wrote that he was "the owner of the Russian land", didn't he?

                        The war was the worst in history.

                        And in .... 1991, what happened, huh? Other than universal peace and prosperity? belay request
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        And the Secretary General of the CPSU did not have sole power in the USSR, he was collegial Authority CPSU Central Committee, he made key decisions

                        lol Yeah...
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        And Misha-tagged managed to drag out into his team outright traitors.

                        Non-traitors, real Lenin-Marx bolsheviks - WHERE SHARE?! request lol am
                      4. +1
                        11 October 2019 15: 20
                        Olgovich (Andrey)
                        The war was the worst in history.
                        The scariest war in history is just the same as World War II and for some reason the people didn’t get to overthrow Stalin, but on the contrary united around the leader, if not the whole overwhelming majority defended the homeland. But by 1917, your lack of grace, the front was bursting at the seams and the people were not eager to fight further, because he understood WHOSE selfish interests he was laying down his life for. That is why mass fraternities with the Germans and mass desertion from the front.
                        According to the story you are TWO!
                      5. -1
                        12 October 2019 06: 30
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        The scariest war in history is just the same The second World

                        In ... 1917? belay lol
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        people did not climb Stalin toppleand vice versa united around the leader, if not all, then the overwhelming majority defended the homeland.

                        Read Stalin's Toast 1945: he was very afraid of this. Therefore, they were silent to death about wild defeats-environments-disasters-losses: they were afraid ...
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        here, by 1917, at your lack of grace, the front was bursting at the seams and the people were not eager to fight further, because he understood WHOSE selfish interests he was laying down his life for. That is why mass fraternities with the Germans and mass desertion from the front.

                        The mass heroism was shown by the army and the people: more than 3 million awarded only with the George Cross, almost the entire army of 1914 died in the battles for the Fatherland.
                        And NEVER in the Second World War more than a million Russian citizens fought against their country, as MILLION Soviet citizens did in the Second World War.
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        According to the story you are TWO!

                        You, by the way, Nick-does not shake, "expert"?
                        Among your cohort, Napoleons are more common ... hi
                      6. +3
                        11 October 2019 19: 06
                        If you listen to the communists, then Misha-tagged is just a lump and a superbrain. He managed to do what the CIA, Mossad and all other enemies combined could not do. Everywhere he put his agents, who destroyed the USSR. And where was the KGB looking? My great-grandfather Mikhail Matveenko, a Knight of St. George, who served 18 years, was shot by the KGB-NKVD in Khabarovsk because at a meeting at the Sutara mine (in the Jewish Autonomous Region), where he was exiled from Voronezh province, he simply dropped the phrase before May 1: "Why should we celebrate May 1, if we have our own Easter holiday, and we will celebrate it." What vigilant comrades were! They saw everything and everyone knew, even that a simple exiled sergeant-major-artilleryman in the distant taiga said, and here they have Misha, the marked Soviet homeland, to thunderous applause from 18 million members of the CPSU and N-million the number of followers handed over and no one knew anything ... And why didn't you expose him and shoot him? Don't keep everyone for ... Your question to you, why don't you like history so much?
                2. -2
                  11 October 2019 23: 34
                  Something is inaudible that the mummers of unbelted Caucasians drove somewhere. More and more in their own way. For this future they will have, like their predecessors.
                  1. -1
                    12 October 2019 06: 34
                    Quote: lexus
                    Something is not heard to the mummers unbelted Caucasians drove somewhere. More and more in their own way. For this future they will have, like their predecessors.

                    Xenophobe Bolshevik?
                    You have not only the future, but already and the past: everything turned out to be a lie ...
                3. +2
                  11 October 2019 23: 38
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Today, many people not only don’t remember Swiss Iliche, but they don’t know.

                  What are you happy about? This only testifies to the state policy of debilitating youth.
                  1. -4
                    12 October 2019 06: 39
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    state policy of debilitating youth.

                    Debilization is when the most reading country in the world, tens of millions, "stuck" with cans to the TV, charging water from a Chumak and treating enuresis from Kashpirovsky, at the same time stealing from slave Izaura. This is the "level", yes!
                    1. +3
                      12 October 2019 11: 31
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Debilization is when the most reading country in the world, tens of millions, "stuck" with cans to the TV, charging water from a Chumak and treating enuresis from Kashpirovsky, at the same time stealing from slave Izaura. This is the "level", yes!

                      So these are your comrades-in-arms who hated the Soviet regime, and started this business, they prepared the people for the fact that in tsarist Russia, when there were capitalists and landowners and there was private property, everything was fine. And the people swallowed the privatization, And when the neo-bourgeoisie took over everything, it began to debilitate the people so that it would stop fighting them, and you continue to participate in this debilitation.
                      1. -4
                        12 October 2019 12: 14
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        So these are your comrades-in-arms who have hated the Soviet regime, and have begun this business

                        belay lol
                        What's wrong with you?!

                        It is YOU and YOUR comrades-in-arms who have UNIVERSALLY raised those who, in tens of millions, charged cans of water with a TV, cried over Isaura, invested in MMM and elected the notorious Dr. Yeltsin and Kravchuk. Or are they ... for YEAR appeared out of nowhere? belay fool

                        This is YOUR upbringing.
                      2. +2
                        12 October 2019 12: 25
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        This is YOUR upbringing.

                        Alas, this is all the work of your supporters - opponents of socialism. Lenin: he warned that "the bourgeoisie is sneaking into power," and so it happened. As soon as Khrushchev rehabilitated the enemies of the people, they began to make their way into all the governing bodies of the country and began to work on changing the Soviet consciousness. Hitler helped them in this, because the best sons of the Soviet people died in the Great Patriotic War.
                      3. -2
                        12 October 2019 13: 21
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Alas, this is all the work of your supporters - opponents of socialism.

                        Where did they come from, and where did you get to? At yoursomething of power?
                        Tens of millions of water-loaders - WHERE come from, eh? Not from tens of thousands of schools, huh?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        IN AND. Lenin: he warned that "the bourgeoisie is sneaking into power," and so it happened. As soon as Khrushchev rehabilitated the enemies of the people, they began to make their way into all the governing bodies of the country and began to work on changing the Soviet consciousness.

                        Only in your reality, millions of enemies of the people do nothing but make their way up to "harm". It's called a persecution mania. And again the question is WHERE YOU were, such powerful fighters, and ... untenable?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Hitler helped them in this, of course. best sons of the Soviet people perished in the Great Patriotic War.

                        Well, what are you talking about? Are there any worse ones? This is Maresyev, Pokryshkin, Zhukov, Marinesko, and the worst? fool
                      4. -1
                        12 October 2019 14: 48
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Well, what are you talking about? Are there any worse ones? This is Maresyev, Pokryshkin, Zhukov, Marinesko, and the worst?

                        No need to jerk. everyone you called were heroes, but they were politically illiterate and Khrushchev at their XX and XXI congresses hung noodles on their ears. Since they knew little about Marxism, they did not even understand. what happened to socialism and the country.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Where did they come from, and where did you get to? Under your authority?

                        I wrote to you. that Khrushchev rehabilitated all enemies of the people and they crept into power. In 1962, my worker father went on strike together with other workers in support of the Novocherskassk workers, and my mother, also a worker, knew with her class instinct that a revolution had to be made again. I was then a pioneer and asked: "How is it, we have Soviet power?" To which she replied: "No, sonny, again the bourgeoisie rose to power."
                      5. 0
                        13 October 2019 07: 00
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No need to jerk. everyone you called were heroes but they were politically illiterate

                        Who are you, to insult Zhukov, Maresyev, Pokryshkin, whom you and little finger don't stand? They are a million times smarter and more normal than you.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Khrushchev rehabilitated all the enemies of the people and they sneaked into power.

                        What underground tunnels sneaked? lol
                        And you - WHERE were ?! Hid from the terrible Trotskyists in yet lol deeper moves?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        their class instinct understood
                        lol
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        "No father-in-law, again the bourgeoisie rose to power."

                        Those. Bolsheviks raised ... bourgeois lol
                      6. -1
                        13 October 2019 11: 39
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Who are you, to insult Zhukov, Maresyev, Pokryshkin

                        No need to juggle, read the text carefully. I do not insult anyone, I only write that our heroes turned out to be illiterate Marxists, they did not stop Khrushchev when he destroyed socialism and planted a bomb under the USSR.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        What underground tunnels sneaked?

                        Ernch again. Yes, Khrushchev drove all the enemies and they really crept into the governing bodies, and our heroes kept silent again, said nothing when they pardoned the Esau, Vlasov, Bandera, Trotskyites.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Those. Bolsheviks raised ... bourgeois

                        Read carefully, otherwise you are engaged in ordinary "trollism" The Bolsheviks imprisoned the bourgeoisie, Khrushchev released them, allowed them to enter the governing bodies, having seized power. they selected their own kind as assistants.
                      7. +1
                        13 October 2019 12: 25
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I do not insult anyone, I only write that our heroes turned out to be illiterate Marxists, they did not stop Khrushchev when he destroyed socialism and planted a bomb under the USSR.

                        The insult is "illiterate".
                        Who are you to judge HEROES OF THE COUNTRY?
                        They turned out to be LIQUID and NORMAL people.
                        But illiterate and abnormal, for example, at the 20th Congress, it didn’t turn out: -The resolution on the condemnation of the cult of personality was approved UNANIMOUSLY.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Khrushchev dropped all enemies and they really sneaked to governing bodies

                        so HOW-sneaked? Through a dig under the Spasskaya Tower?
                        Learn the meaning of the word "sneaked" and how it fits in with public events.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        and our heroes were silent again, said nothing when they pardoned the Esau, Vlasov, Bandera, Trotskyites.

                        To do this, there is the COURT and the Armed Forces of the USSR.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The Bolsheviks planted bourgeoisie, Khrushchev released them

                        What tenacious bourgeoisie were after the camps and executions. ditches! The names of the "revived" bourgeoisie are on the barrel!
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        allowed them to governing organs

                        Surnames issued, admitted to power by the bourgeoisie and-on the table!
                        Your empty trolling and chatter are not needed.
                      8. -1
                        13 October 2019 22: 57
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The insult is "illiterate".

                        Is this an insult. This is a statement of fact. I called them "illiterate Marxists" because they did not understand the main thing, that as long as classes exist, the class struggle is inevitable, and therefore, until the complete victory of communism, the Soviet state should be nothing more than the dictatorship of the proletariat, otherwise capitalism will be restored. and it happened with their tacit consent.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        HOW-sneaked? Through a dig under the Spasskaya Tower?

                        I thought you were smarter and you yourself understand Lenin's figurative expression that “the proletariat is fighting - the bourgeoisie is sneaking into power.” This happened in the USSR in 50-90, the bourgeoisie quietly gradually seized power, pushing back the working class.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        To do this, there is the COURT and the Armed Forces of the USSR.

                        I don’t understand, do you agree with the Khrushchev’s amnesty and the subsequent restoration in all civil rights of the Vlasovites and Bandera?

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Surnames issued, admitted to power by the bourgeoisie and-on the table!

                        And you dig up the ins and outs of the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the RSFSR, and of other Gorbachev-era republics, and you will see most of them are from the former, or from the kulaks, or were sitting, or recruited, picking writers, artists, etc., there is the same picture . In Ukraine, for example, the first president himself told how he wore guerrillas from the OUN-UPA to eat,
            2. +4
              11 October 2019 13: 15
              You are a very strange person. For example, as in a song, I live on Lenin Street. I often walk along the street of the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution. Metro Ilyich sometimes visit. He used to live near Menzhinsky Street.
              In Moscow, hundreds of streets and lanes bear the names of the heroes of the Civil and various communist figures. Are you up to date with the results of the referendum on Voikovskaya? Advanced Muscovites do not want to change its name.
              And the farther the current government moves away from the people, the greater the demand for the socialist idea. They don’t remember the tsar’s king, in which Russia was a backward country with an illiterate and impoverished population.
              1. 0
                11 October 2019 14: 20
                Quote: Moskovit
                You are a very strange person. For example, as in a song, I live on Lenin Street. I often walk along the street of the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution. Metro Ilyich sometimes visit.

                You are a very amazing person who walks where nothing exists: you live on, for a long time, used, the so-called. "Lenin" square (Paveletskaya), pl. 50th anniversary of the October Revolution (this MANEZHNAYA), the area of ​​the so-called. "ilicha" (Rogozhskaya outpost), Bolshevik (B. Predtechensky lane) and used streets of other zalkinds
                Quote: Moskovit
                Metro Ilyich Square

                That is Beneath the earth, it’s the place, yes! lol
                Quote: Moskovit
                In Moscow, hundreds of streets and lanes bear the names of the heroes of the Civil and various communist figures.

                To you to:
                The streets and other territorial units of Moscow, which were renamed or to which historical names were returned in 1990-1993.

                There you will find your second-hand Zalkinda, Kalinin, Furman, Iliche, Ulyanovsk, Sverdlov Square, Pavlmorozov, Bolshevik, etc., etc.
                Quote: Moskovit
                And the farther the current government moves away from the people, the greater the demand for the socialist idea.

                Did the people authorize you to speak? No? No.
                Quote: Moskovit
                They don’t remember the tsar-priest, under whom Russia was backward a country with an illiterate and impoverished population.

                Nope, they "remember" the VKPB, under which Russia became a country with Dying and the poor by the population.
                1. +1
                  11 October 2019 15: 26
                  Olgovich (Andrey)
                  Nope, they "remember" the VKPB, under which Russia became a country with a dying out and impoverished population.
                  Well enough is already in fact! Where did you find the dying population? Can you bring a schedule, or as always blah blah blah? So frankly lying is not tired?
                  The impoverished population was just in the Republic of Ingushetia, and also disenfranchised. Enough already carry your nonsense, tired.
                  Do you want to live in the Republic of Ingushetia on the position of a peasant, moreover, an ordinary, not a fist? No?
                  1. -2
                    12 October 2019 06: 48
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    Well enough is already in fact! Where did you find the dying population? Can you bring a schedule, or as always blah blah blah? So frankly it’s not tired of?

                    Tired of your dashing but illiterate pressure: a demographic catastrophe since the 1930s, a depopulation of Russians since 1964, the Russian Cross-1992.
                    Demosocop to help you.
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    The impoverished population was just in the Republic of Ingushetia, and also disenfranchised. Enough already carry your nonsense, tired.
                    Do not want to live in RI in the position of a peasant, and the usual, and not a fist? No?

                    Of peasants RI we. And, of course, I would like to be a free peasant of the Republic of Ingushetia, rather than a disenfranchised collective farmer and a "wealthy person" of the times of built socialism in 1933.
      2. 0
        11 October 2019 08: 54
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Well...? What's next?

        Further, the wives were also shot: for example, Galina Tseshkovskaya (Egorova) amazing beauty woman (the spy turned out to be Yes ).

        So "further" these heroes c. slaughterhousesmoat at Kommunarka. All.
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Can you remind you of the military ranks that Krasnov and Shkuro wore in the SS troops?

        Is the Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army of the USSR, FIRST DEPUTY. USSR DEFENSE MINISTER (like Egorov)? belay recourse
        1. +2
          11 October 2019 09: 00
          Olgovich (Andrey) Today, 08:54
          Then the wives were also shot: for example, Galina Tseshkovskaya (Egorova), a woman of amazing beauty (the spy turned out to be yes).
          So what? Well, they shot, so it was for what.
          My great-grandfather was also taken away from me in the 38th and disappeared, maybe they shot, maybe he died in the camp, but I don’t even try to condemn anyone, because I don’t know why and under what article I was arrested. But grandfather and grandmother (they took her father) Stalin idolized until the end of his life.
          And who do you think I will believe more in my ancestors or in such liars like you and your kind?
          1. -3
            11 October 2019 09: 11
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            So what? Well, shot, then was for what.

            Never mind! request
            I agree with you: Egorovs, Vatsetis, Bukharins and other Lions of the Revolution, the brackets and similar heroes — have received COMPLETELY and deservedly — for everything that they have done to the country.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            And who do you think I will believe more in my ancestors or in such liars like you and your kind?

            To documents it is necessary to believe, or not only one god, then the second, then the third ..
            1. +2
              11 October 2019 09: 20
              Olgovich (Andrey)
              Documents must be trusted, and not just one god, then the second, then the third ..
              So I believe the DOCUMENTS, but not your fakes.
              Anyway, I believe in the MATTERS of people, common sense and my ancestors who survived this time.
              So the case shows that your mediocre, worthless rag-tsar profiled everything and everyone, and Stalin made a superpower out of a backward and ruined country that broke the back of the entire "European Union" under the flag of the Third Reich.
              That's all FACTS!
              And then only yours empty boltology, about the sour banks and dairy rivers during the bloody tsar’s recession.
      3. +4
        14 October 2019 10: 04
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And your favorite Denikin, calling on the American government to war with the USSR, is that how?

        Denikin wrote a letter to US President Truman, where he called for pressure on the USSR in all directions, but did not call for war.
    2. +4
      11 October 2019 11: 23
      But for example, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Gorodovikov, Egoriev (he replaced Gittis as a com-front, not Yegorov), Book, Timoshenko, Tyulenev, Shchelokov, etc. and others.
      Also, white officers went over to the red ones and became generals ...
      So, for completeness of statistics ...
      1. -4
        11 October 2019 11: 53
        Quote: Sahar Medovich
        But for example, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Gorodovikov, Egoriev (he replaced Gittis as a com-front, not Yegorov), Book, Tymoshenko, Tyulenev, Schelokov et al et al.

        Only biographies of the HEROES of the article are taken. AND the executed their "others and others." -can be listed indefinitely.
        Take at least a list commanders of the fr war:

        Antonov-Ovseenko, Vladimir Alexandrovich
        В
        Wacetis, Joachim Joachimovich
        Г
        Gittis, Vladimir Mikhailovich
        Е
        Egorov, Alexander Ilyich
        Egoriev, Vladimir Nikolaevich
        К
        Kamenev, Sergey Sergeevich
        Cork, August Ivanovich
        Korotaev, Yakov Nikolaevich
        Л
        Lazarevich, Vladimir Salamanovich
        Lebedev, Pavel Pavlovich
        Lewandowski, Mikhail Karlovich
        etc.

        the difference in the end of life between them (the majority) -only- day of execution 37 or 38gg Yes
        Good luck in learning! hi
        1. -1
          11 October 2019 12: 28
          Well, "ad infinitum" is somewhat exaggerated. I must confess that I did not understand that it was only about the heroes of the article, you said: "for what you have done to the country." So I thought: those whom I have listed, apparently, have not done anything like this? If so, what have they done? They seemed to be doing one thing ...
          Good luck in your studies!
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            11 October 2019 12: 45
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            Well, "ad infinitum" is somewhat exaggerated.

            You will not have enough life to at least simply list the names of all.
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            . I confess I did not understand that we are only talking about the heroes of the article,

            Discuss the ARTICLE: it lists the mentioned persons, about them and said additional data
            Quote: Sahar Medovich
            If so, then what have they done? It seems to have done one thing ...

            Questions to the PB VKPb and VKVS USSR. Yes
            1. +2
              11 October 2019 13: 55
              PB VKPb and VKVS - authorities, I agree. But you have an answer, then no?
              1. -4
                11 October 2019 14: 56
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                PB VKPb and VKVS - authorities, I agree. But you have an answer, then no?

                How is it not?
                I repeat: this is just wonderful, instructive and deserving of the destruction of the above. hi
                1. +3
                  11 October 2019 16: 54
                  This is not the answer to my question. What does "according to merit" mean? What is this merit?
                  1. -2
                    12 October 2019 06: 54
                    Quote: Sahar Medovich
                    This is not the answer to my question. What does "according to merit" mean? What is this merit?

                    belay
                    SENTENCES-given: all- recognized as traitors
                    I agree.
                    1. +3
                      12 October 2019 08: 43
                      Yeah, and then rehabilitated. Recognized by honest people or even heroes?
                      1. -1
                        12 October 2019 09: 06
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Yeah and then rehabilitated.

                        And with that-agree! Yes

                        Because she showed all the absurdity of the so-called. "sentences" of the so-called "justice" of that medieval system.

                        And the punishment for their crimes, the betrayal of Russia, these characters have already suffered in 37-41.

                        and a very, very cruel punishment: the good name, personality, achievements, families and descendants were trampled, and the bullet was sent ..... by their own comrades in the struggle. Complete annihilation ......
                        You won’t wish such an enemy .....
                      2. 0
                        12 October 2019 14: 53
                        And agree with THIS - so they are good people for you? Finally? On the other hand, rehabilitation was canceled for some rehabilitated people at first - do you agree with this? No. And some were generally denied rehabilitation, for example, Kolchak. Do you support this decision? Yes And a couple of weeks ago it was said that the prosecutor’s office considers the repressions to be mostly justified - you won’t dispute this? Well really? laughing
                      3. 0
                        13 October 2019 07: 28
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        And agree with THIS - so they are good people for you? Finally?

                        for the tanker I will repeat the reason for agreeing with the rehabilitation:
                        Because she showed all the absurdity of the so-called. "sentences" of the so-called "justice" of that medieval system.

                        Didn’t get it again?
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        On the other hand, rehabilitation was canceled for some rehabilitated people at first - do you agree with this? And some were generally denied rehabilitation, for example, Kolchak. Do you support this decision? And a couple of weeks ago it was said that the prosecutor’s office considers the repressions to be mostly justified - you won’t dispute this? Well really?


                        I will explain again: the main thing is:

                        -the traitors to the motherland who committed crimes against her and her people since 1917- were destroyed. Those. retribution overtook them .. Moreover, they were crushed to dust with their families (which is too much). More severe punishment does not happen.

                        Rehabilitation exposed the absurdity and lawlessness of the system as a whole.

                        Both that and that are good.

                        A.V. Kolchak does NOT need rehabilitation - over him did not have court. And how could there be a legal "court" ... of an illegal government?
                        And then, do, say, policemen who were killed according to the so-called "sentences" need rehabilitation? "vigilantes" in 1905? But the warriors themselves, yes, they were tried.

                        Am I clearly spelling out? Yes
                      4. -2
                        13 October 2019 10: 13
                        So far, it’s clear that you are not making ends meet. If you consider them criminals and their execution - justice, then you should not agree with their rehabilitation, despite the fact that they were formally convicted innocently. In other words, according to your logic, it’s good that they beat us in the face, and not according to the passport.
                        But then you must approve of the execution, for example, of Krasnov, because his crimes against Russia and its people are harder for any than the Reds. Even if his accusation of treason is formally wrong. And for some reason you do not approve of it! Judge objectively!
                      5. 0
                        13 October 2019 11: 05
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        So far, it’s clear that you are not making ends meet. If you consider them criminals and their execution - justice, then you should not agree with their rehabilitation, despite the fact that they were formally convicted innocently.

                        THIRD TIME:
                        -These subjects betrayed Russia and destroyed Russia in 1917-1922.
                        The supreme justice has triumphed - they were destroyed, and by their power, which is extremely instructive for them and educational for the rest ..
                        Those. they, I believe, are criminals from 1917 to the present day, without interruptions. Everything is logical.

                        - Rehabilitation showed the whole system - in all its glory. Also edifying and good for everyone.
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        But then you must approve of the execution, for example, of Krasnov, because his crimes against Russia and its people are harder for any than the Reds.

                        Not harder. The Tukhachevskys, Bukharins, Yegorovs and others. Sentences from owls. the authorities were, according to available information, larger-scale (destruction of the USSR state itself) and more terrible.

                        Krasnov convicted, then condemned.

                        By the way, why did yours hide-secret the verdict to Krasnov? Where is he? Maybe he wasn’t?
    3. +2
      11 October 2019 11: 23
      "Steel iron gauntlets!"

      Yezhov himself turned out to be a spy. He was preparing a "coup d'etat", so in the indictment. And it was exposed by the faithful Leninists, real communists - Lavrenty Beria and Bogdan Kobulov.
      Although, stop. These were then shot for "treason in the form of espionage and conspiracy to seize power."
      Something I'm completely confused about who is a spy and who is not a spy. belay
  2. +4
    11 October 2019 07: 55
    The Oryol-Kromsk operation became a turning point.
    It is examined in detail up to an hour.
    However, even before that, the VSYUR had overtaken, scattered during the implementation of the Moscow Directive. Egorov’s scheme ultimately led to success
  3. +4
    11 October 2019 09: 36
    In general, to be honest, the name does not match the content.
    And indeed far from reality.
    What is the name, what is the content ...
    1. +2
      11 October 2019 14: 12
      Here in the comments they try to blabber, trying to hide behind the ideology the factual errors with which the article abounds.
      Where is smaug78 with his thirst for documents?
      Aw! Dracocha! Maybe here we ask you to refer to the documents in a couple of very interesting places?)))
      Or the right hand will not bite the left?)))
  4. -2
    11 October 2019 10: 35
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Well, they shot, so it was for what.

    And nothing that was also shot by the enemies of the people-spy-saboteurs from the Yezhov Caudla? And that the executed, the same aforementioned Red commanders and their relatives innocently destroyed by the executioners were completely rehabilitated by the Soviet justice and all charges were dropped? And after all this, your language turns to write about innocent victims - "was for what?" You are a descendant of those nkvdshnyh guardians, again your hands itch?
    1. +1
      11 October 2019 11: 33
      Whispering in the night (Nikolai) And what about the executed, the same mentioned red commanders and their relatives innocently destroyed by the executioners, the Soviet justice completely rehabilitated and dropped all the charges?
      Not all were rehabilitated. Under Beria, there were two rehabilitations; approximately 600 thousand people were rehabilitated, mainly according to minor articles and terms of up to 3-5 years. This amounted to about a quarter of all previously convicted. I agree here.
      But "rehabilitation" under Khrushch, this is a completely different song, there they rehabilitated almost everyone in a crowd, including obvious criminals: Bandera, forest brothers and other filth, which for some reason Stalin regretted, although their place is not like camps, but generally on the gallows. So rehabilitation rehabilitation ROSNE!
      And after all this, your language turns to write about innocent victims - "was for what?"
      Of course, there were innocents, but not all!
      You are a descendant of those NKVdshnyh guard, are your hands itching again?
      I am a descendant of a veteran of two wars and he served in the artillery. But I myself served in the internal troops and could have kicked me in the face for a whirligig. Because these same "guards" were among the first to meet the war and the last to end it. So it’s not for you to pour mud on the NKVD troops with your broomstick!
  5. -2
    11 October 2019 13: 25
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    Correctly true heroes in the furnace of history, and surfaced to the surface, something that does not sink.

    Your real heroes your Stalin sent to the furnace of history. Look for them there, with respect to the entire Leninist guard, almost all those who made the revolution, and then defended it!
  6. -2
    11 October 2019 13: 31
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    [
    But "rehabilitation" under Khrushch, this is a completely different song, there they rehabilitated almost everyone in a crowd, including obvious criminals: Bandera, forest brothers and other filth, which for some reason Stalin regretted, although their place is not like camps, but generally on the gallows. So rehabilitation rehabilitation ROSNE!

    Learn the materiel, Mr. Stalinist, and do not continue to confuse Khrushchev’s rehabilitation of political prisoners, for which he bowed deeply, and Khrushchev’s amnesty to Bandera, forest brothers, Vlasov and others. Amnesty and rehabilitation are fundamentally different things, let it be known to you.

    But I myself served in the internal troops and for the guard I could give in the face.

    I would also give any Stalinist in the face, who would have praised the Nkvdshny pigs, not only Yezhov’s, but also Yagodov’s and Beria’s.
    1. -1
      11 October 2019 14: 42
      Whispering in the night (Nikolai)
      I would also give any Stalinist in the face, who would have praised the Nkvdshny pigs, not only Yezhov’s, but also Yagodov’s and Beria’s.
      But for such things you no longer have to beat the face, and bring to trial for insulting the memory of the dead. For those who still haven’t taken off the armored train, I give a link to the material posted on VO 21.04.2015/230/73533 about the battle of XNUMX regiments of the NKVD escort troops for Rostov-on-Don. https://topwar.ru/XNUMX-posledniy-rubezh-na-zelenom-ostrove-konvoynyy-polk-stoyal-nasmert.html
      Go and kill yourself against the wall after your vile words about the fallen heroes who have completely fulfilled their duty to the Motherland.

      P.S. What is your rat's answer to comments, or where is the "Reply" button you don't know?
      1. 0
        11 October 2019 16: 18
        But for such things you no longer have to beat the face, and bring to trial for insulting the memory of the dead. For those who still haven’t taken off the armored train, I give a link to the material posted on VO 21.04.2015/230/73533 about the battle of XNUMX regiments of the NKVD escort troops for Rostov-on-Don. https://topwar.ru/XNUMX-posledniy-rubezh-na-zelenom-ostrove-konvoynyy-polk-stoyal-nasmert.html

        And for insulting the memory of Yezhov and Frinovsky, or Ryumin, or Beria and Kobulov, do you want to bring me to court? And what does the NKVD troops have to do with it, for those who are in the tank I explain that I am writing not about the troops, but about the investigators and operatives of the NKVD (MGB), who beat out confessions from innocent Soviet citizens and sent them to death and to the camps. That's for trying to smear these executioners and for insulting the memory of their innocent victims (Quote: Alexander Suvorov - "Well, they shot, so it was for what"), fully rehabilitated by the court and you need to beat the face and bring to court!

        P.S. What is your rat's answer to comments, or where is the "Reply" button you don't know?

        Do not be nervous, Mr. Stalinist, control yourself)
        1. -3
          11 October 2019 16: 25
          Whispering in the night (Nikolai) And what does the NKVD troops have to do with it, for those who are in the tank I explain that I’m writing not about the troops, but about the investigators and operas of the NKVD (MGB), who knocked out confessions from innocent Soviet citizens and sent them to death and to the camps.
          Well, what's the matter, go to the police, the investigative committee, the prosecutor's office and tell them that they are "nkvdshny pigs" (please note this expression of yours). After all, they also knock out testimonies and sometimes imprison innocent people, don't they? Or is the intestine small?
          1. 0
            11 October 2019 16: 32
            Those who are engaged in this in modern law enforcement agencies, and there are such, are also pigs, no doubt. But the scale is not the same as it was at the time of the New Year’s’s, nobody puts down lists for repression by category from the center to places, relatives of the victims are not touched up to the seventh generation, family members only because family members of the repressed are not sent to camps for years, as your KGB cattle.
            1. 0
              11 October 2019 16: 46
              Whispering in the night (Nikolai)
              Those who are engaged in this in modern law enforcement agencies, and there are such, are also pigs, no doubt. But the scale is not the same as it was at the time of the New Year’s’s, nobody puts down lists for repression by category from the center to places, relatives of the victims are not touched up to the seventh generation, family members only because family members of the repressed are not sent to camps for years, as your KGB cattle.
              The scale is not the one who speaks, the nude is blessed who believes ...
              But as for family members, not all family members were touched, do not star. Only those who represented a clear danger were touched.
              My grandmother, with her repressed father, unlearned at school and worked as an accountant at one of the largest aluminum smelters in the country. And no one oppressed her in any way. So do not zvizdet, not about wine. Most of them were just the same guilty.
              Yes, and the time was pre-war, not a match for the present, and, accordingly, acted much harder in accordance with the international situation.
              1. +1
                11 October 2019 17: 28
                But as for family members, not all family members were touched, do not star. Only those who represented a clear danger were touched.

                Well, tell me what kind of "crime" was committed, for example, by the wife of the same Marshal Yegorov, fully rehabilitated by the Soviet court after the mustachioed tyrant died? And, for example, the daughter of another hero of the civil war Uborevich Mira Uborevich, who at the time of her father's execution by Yezhov's executioners was only 13 years old? And thousands of other wives, children, brothers, parents, etc. repressed? "Danger", you say, did they represent any kind? And what, for this to shoot innocent people or in camps for years? You personally, in my opinion, are also dangerous for the country, like all Stalinists, can they repress you too, because the time is difficult, perhaps pre-war? And all your relatives who are also against the wall, and the rest in the camps, how do you like this perspective?
  7. -4
    11 October 2019 23: 36
    Results were expected. The People’s Army relishfully gave the master's asshole.
    1. -5
      12 October 2019 07: 02
      Quote: lexus
      Results were expected. The People’s Army relishfully gave the master's asshole.

      [b] [/ b] "Narodnaya" was headed by the SNK (40% were noblemen, 15% were millionaires, all parasites who never worked), "lord" was headed by peasant and soldier children: Denikin, Kornilov, Alekseev, etc.
      1. 0
        12 October 2019 15: 01
        That is, in the civilian nobles defeated the peasants? Insanity is stronger ..., I want to say: sensation however! fool
        1. -1
          13 October 2019 07: 37
          Quote: Sahar Medovich
          That is, in the civilian nobles defeated the peasants? Insanity is stronger ..., I want to say: sensation however!

          Marasmus-he is in the sand-crusts that have frozen the day before yesterday: a rupture of the Grzhd. the war was on a different border: legal, Russian, people's power (white) and usupatory, anitrus, anti-people power (Bolsheviks)
          1. 0
            13 October 2019 10: 24
            Wrong. The alignment was as follows: the power of the people, fighting for the good of all people and, as it turned out in the course of events, for the state interests of Russia (red) and the power of anti-people, unjust and, willy-nilly, anti-Russian (white). In terms of legality, whites are no better than reds, but the main thing then was that the overwhelming majority of the people rejected the "legality" with which whites were associated. Moreover, this rejection matured for tens of years until 1917.
            1. -1
              13 October 2019 11: 27
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              Wrong.

              Right.
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              as it turned out in the course of events, for the state interests of Russia (red) and anti-people’s power, unjust and, perforce, anti-Russian (white)

              Yeah, state. interests were in .... CUTS of Russia into parts, in the 17th centuryк belay -when look at the WINDOW already ?!
              Or maybe a huge Russophobic Poland, fed by you at the expense of Russia and cut by you from the German state lands conquered by RUSSIAN blood. interest ... in Russia?
              Or indigenization of Russian lands in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and the pr-state interest of Russia?

              People’s power - FULLY advocated for the free election of the people, regardless of the result.
              "People's" (aninational) power throughout its short history PANICALLY afraid of the election of this people and has never held them.
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              In terms of legality, white is no better than red

              recognized the legitimacy of whites: Emperor-VP-US-Bely. The illegality of the Reds, they themselves admitted: a temporary SNK was created BEFORE the lawful and recognized CSS, and the CSS they .... dispersed ..
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              the overwhelming majority of the people rejected the "legality" with which whites were associated.

              And, in your parallel reality, apparently, the ELECTIONS passed, on which they won! lol belay
              1. 0
                13 October 2019 14: 58
                I look out the window and see what a century ago it was under the "Vrieberal-shitcrats" who were part of the VP, and now in its reincarnated clone. White is white at all times. Only our great-grandfathers kicked them out of Russia, so as not to stink, but their great-grandchildren ... but it's not over yet!
                Is the "legality" of the whites who overthrew the emperor recognized? By whom? Does the fact that they themselves staged coups confirm their "legitimacy"? If so, then the Bolsheviks who overthrew the VP are no less legitimate. Moreover, the choice of them by the people took place in reality, the one and only.
                1. -1
                  14 October 2019 07: 04
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  our great-grandfathers kicked them out of their Russia, so as not to stink, but their great-grandchildren ... but not yet evening!

                  So what are "their great-grandchildren" if their great-grandfathers ... "kicked out"? belay lol
                  So if something stinks, then this is from the rest. hi
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  Is the "legality" of the whites who overthrew the emperor recognized? By whom?

                  Everybody
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  Does the fact that they themselves staged coups confirm their "legitimacy"?

                  Learn Stalin (February Revolution): The revolution was made by the PROLETARIAT. And led by Bolsheviks
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  If so, then the Bolsheviks who overthrew the VP are no less legitimate.

                  The emperors called for the subordination of the EaP, like the Soviets (1 congress of councils)
                  Quote: Sahar Medovich
                  Moreover, the choice of their people took place in reality, the one and only.

                  There were no elections under the Bolsheviks, NEVER- they fear of them all went crazy.
                  1. -2
                    14 October 2019 22: 47
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    There were NO elections under the Bolsheviks NEVER, because of fear of them all went crazy.

                    Well, how much can you drive this blizzard? Beginning in 1917, in Soviet Russia and in other Soviet republics there were elections to local, republican, and then to the Union Soviets. As long as there was a threat of counter-revolution, the bourgeois elements were defeated in their rights and were not allowed to vote. As soon as Soviet power was strengthened, the Constitution of 19z6 legalized universal suffrage, and in the elections of 1937-1938. all voters vote for the bloc of party and non-party.

                    I.V. Stalin said: “There is no need to nominate candidates from the Communists separately from non-partisans, since the Communist Party has the sole and main goal of the interests of all working people, and therefore candidates from the party and non-partisans will coincide because their interests coincide”

                    For example, in 1937, 855 communists and 288 non-partisans were elected to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Among the deputies were the best Stakhanovites, prominent scientists and artists, artists, party, Soviet, economic workers, and military personnel.
                    Compare with current tips, councils, thoughts, etc.
                    1. -3
                      15 October 2019 08: 54
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Well, how much can you drive this blizzard? Beginning in 1917, in Soviet Russia and in other Soviet republics, there were elections to local, republican, and then to the Union Soviets.

                      These "elections" can only be called inadequate elections: NOT competitive, NOT free, Unequal, NOT universal
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      were defeated in their rights and were not allowed to vote.

                      Violation of the ELEMENTARY rights of the people and man.
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      in the elections of 1937-1938 all voters vote in favor block party and non-partisan.

                      What kind of beast is this? PARTIES rivals WHERE ?! Where is their right to organize, to print, to radio, to meetings, processions, to elections. to freedom of agitation?
                      How many seconds would you hold on to power, having resolved all this after an unprecedented famine in the world of 33 g?
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I.V. Stalin said: “There is no need to nominate candidates from communists separately from non-partisans, since the Communist Party has the sole and main goal of the interests of all working people, and therefore candidates from the party and non-partisans will coincide because their interests coincide”

                      Who knows what? And another Pupkin said something different. And what ?: RIGHTS of every citizen to choose, where? request:
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      For example, in 1937, 855 communists and 288 non-partisans were elected to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Among the deputies were the best Stakhanovites, prominent scientists and artists, artists, party, Soviet, economic workers, and military personnel.

                      spit on the count. Communists: how many Cadets, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, Octobrists and other parties of Russia were there?
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Among the deputies were the best Stakhanovites, prominent figures of science and art, artists. Party, Soviet, economic workers, military personnel.

                      So outstanding that part ... they shot their own and dug in, where.
                      Now, thank God, no!
                      1. 0
                        15 October 2019 22: 05
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Violation of the ELEMENTARY rights of the people and man.

                        No need to cheat, in 1937-1938 the New Constitution was adopted and on it all your fists, merchants, nobles, all former were allowed to vote. And the fact that there were no Cadet Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, that their parties disintegrated, and most of them joined the RCP (B.), And immediately began the struggle against the Leninist and Stalinist Central Committees.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        So outstanding that part ... they shot their own and dug in, where.

                        There was a class struggle, it was all: among them enemies were attacked, and were slandered by the same enemies.
                      2. -2
                        16 October 2019 08: 17
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No need to cheat, in 1937-1938 the New Constitution was adopted and on it all your fists, merchants, nobles, all former were allowed to vote.

                        Those. acknowledge that the MILLIONS OF CITIZENS of the country were NOT GIVEN the right to vote. So much for ... "freedom".
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And the fact that there were no Cadet Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, that their parties disintegrated, and most of them joined the RCP (B.), And immediately began the struggle against the Leninist and Stalinist Central Committees.

                        All parties except the only- destroyed. The Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Cadets, for the most part, are DESTINATED physically.

                        Learn what "CHOICE", "CHOICE" is. One candidate is that choice? Are you quite already?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        There was a class struggle, it was all: among them enemies were attacked, and were slandered by the same enemies.

                        There was a medieval stiffness squabble of spiders in the bank - in the struggle for power, with the mutual destruction of each other
                      3. 0
                        16 October 2019 18: 26
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Those. acknowledge that the MILLIONS OF CITIZENS of the country were NOT GIVEN the right to vote. So much for ... "freedom".

                        Not only I admit, but I think it is right, there was a dictatorship of the proletariat, and while there was a threat of the victory of the counter-revolution, it has the right to restrict the rights of all bourgeois elements to protect the Soviet power. These are the basics of Marxism.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        All parties except the one-destroyed. The Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Cadets, for the most part, are DESTINATED physically.

                        It’s also correct, all these parties fought against the Soviet regime, they were dissolved, such as Savinkov was tried, but many of their members were admitted to the RCP (b). Example, Vyshinsky is a former Menshevik.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn what "ELECTION" is .... One candidate is what a choice?

                        You do not understand the essence of the Soviet elections. Today how? You are offered from a dozen millionaires to choose one that you will be exploited for five years, and under Stalin they offered one worker who will work for the people. Moreover, this candidate was selected and discussed in production teams, and if he then worked poorly, he was recalled.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        There was a medieval stiffness squabble of spiders in the bank - in the struggle for power,

                        This is now a power squabble to get to the feeding trough and steal, and then there was really a class struggle. In those days you won’t get sick, from the head, the deputy was strictly asked, for anti-people’s acts, theft could lose not only a party membership card, but also life.
                      4. 0
                        17 October 2019 09: 07
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Not only I admit, but I think it is right, there was a dictatorship of the proletariat

                        Hack the knot: ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL FROM BIRTH and have EQUAL rights. And 3% do not have no right dictate 97% of the others.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Conscious authorities to restrict the rights of all bourgeois elements. These are the basics of Marxism.

                        Do not give a damn about "Marskism" and other "isms" that violate the MAIN human rights.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        It’s also correct, all these parties fought against the Soviet regime, they were dissolved, such as Savinkov was tried, but many of their members were admitted to the RCP (b). Example, Vyshinsky is a former Menshevik.

                        And owls. power is that sacred cow? Why is it impossible for the people to fight for another power, who decided it and for what reason? you have no right to deprive people of parties and beliefs.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        You do not understand the essence of the Soviet elections. Today how? You are offered from a dozen millionaires to choose one that you will be exploited for five years, and under Stalin they offered one worker who will work for the people. Moreover, this candidate was selected and discussed in production teams, and if he then worked poorly, he was recalled.

                        I understand very well: the election did not exist in principle.
                        Leave this nonsense for the 70s of the last century. And the choice involves SELECT from several candidates and the right not to go to them
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        This is now a power squabble to get to the feeding trough and steal, and then there was really a class struggle.

                        compared the carrot with a finger: your spiders were mortally afraid of each other, doused each other with wild nicknames and slops, beat, tortured each other, mercilessly and destroyed each other at the first opportunity: 70% of the Central Committee of the so-called. "Congress of winners" - the elite of VKPBE-interrupted each other in mortal combat.
                        Where, in what country of the world was this? Nowhere and never.
                      5. 0
                        17 October 2019 18: 15
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Hack a knot: ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL FROM BIRTH and have EQUAL rights. And 3% have no right to dictate 97% of the others.

                        Ohhh! But with this I more than agree, only for some reason today 3% have become millionaires, and 97% are poor, and these 3%, who have robbed 97%, dictate their conditions to them. This is unfair, here the Bolsheviks are fighting so that everyone has a job, and if you are for justice, then you must understand this.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Do not give a damn about "Marskism" and other "isms" that violate the MAIN human rights ... You have no right to deprive the people of parties and beliefs.

                        Spit while you can - bourgeois democracy. But, under the dictatorship of the proletariat, if you publicly spit. then you are being isolated, because Marxism is the ideology of the working people, its weapon of defense against the bourgeoisie, and its denial is an act against the people.
                        Ha the rest of your crap is tired of answering, because except us, nobody reads your nonsense on this page.
                      6. -2
                        18 October 2019 08: 18
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Ohhh! But with this I more than agree, only for some reason today

                        we talk about YESTERDAY when you deprived MILLIONS of citizens elementary rights, including the right to life.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        . This is unfair

                        how many people, so many "justice".
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        the Bolsheviks are fighting

                        Refer to the Sex Reform League (C) Yes
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Spit while you can - bourgeois democracy. But, under the dictatorship of the proletariat, if you publicly spit. then they isolate you, because Marxism

                        do not care about Marxism and the threats from extinct clown relics who do not understand how ridiculous they are and are ridiculous today.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Ha the rest of your crap is tired of answering, because except us, nobody reads your nonsense on this page.

                        Amusingly lol
                      7. 0
                        18 October 2019 18: 27
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        we are talking about YESTERDAY, when you deprived MILLIONS of citizens of the country of basic rights, including the right to life.

                        "Yesterday" everything was correct. The dictatorship of the proletariat is democracy for the majority of the people, for its working part. The dictatorship of the proletariat suppressed the parasitic part of society, so that there would be no return to the present "today". Unfortunately, Khrushchev abolished the dictatorship of the proletariat and the working class stopped fighting the bourgeoisie and degenerates. The result is the current "today", exactly what you described very accurately: 3% have been deprived of only 97%.
                      8. -1
                        19 October 2019 07: 11
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        "Yesterday" everything was correct. The dictatorship of the proletariat - this is democracy
                        for most people

                        fool Learn what "democracy" is
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The dictatorship of the proletariat suppressed the parasitic part of society, so that there would be no return to the current "today"

                        Hack:
                        All people are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and must act towards each other in a spirit of brotherhood.

                        Equal rights- remember?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        the working class has ceased to struggle with the bourgeoisie and the degenerates.

                        Un elected politicians stop killing and robbing citizens
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The result is the current "today", exactly what you described very accurately: 3% have been deprived of only 97%.

                        But ALL live - LONGER and RICHER ..
                      9. 0
                        19 October 2019 13: 12
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn what "democracy" is

                        Democracy was invented in ancient slave-holding Rome for the wealthy patricians, and for the slaves a whip. But for socialism there is a dictatorship of the proletariat, which is democracy for the working people, and the parasite is a whip.
                      10. -1
                        19 October 2019 13: 18
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Democracy invented in ancient slaveholding Rome for the wealthy patricians, and for the slaves a whip. But for socialism there is a dictatorship of the proletariat, which is democracy for workersand the parasite - the whip.

                        Learn what "democracy" is. It is the rule of the people. ALL people.
                        rather than elected "classes" of workers fool
                      11. 0
                        19 October 2019 20: 23
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn what "democracy" is. It is the rule of the people. THE WHOLE people, not the chosen "classes" of workers

                        True democracy happens only in a homogeneous society, in a class society it is class. Talking about democracy today, when all the property in the country was dominated by the bourgeoisie, is an ordinary deception of workers by formal equality, but in reality it is bourgeois oppression and exploitation.
                      12. 0
                        20 October 2019 07: 05
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        True democracy happens only in a homogeneous society, in a class society it is class.

                        Class democracy is cool! good
                        Only- stupidly lol
                      13. -1
                        20 October 2019 10: 34
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Class democracy is cool!
                        Just stupid

                        Well, why is it stupid? Do you think that in today's class society you have the same rights and opportunities as Deripaska or Miller and others like them? No, this is democracy, and for you - the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
                        All democracy in capitalist society boils down to the fact that once every five years you choose those who will "have" you for the next five years.
                      14. 0
                        20 October 2019 10: 44
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, why is it stupid? Do you think that in today's class society you have the same rights and opportunities as Deripaska or Miller and others like them? No, this is democracy, and for you - the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
                        All democracy in capitalist society boils down to the fact that once every five years you choose those who will "have" you for the next five years.

                        Finally, learn the definition of "DEMOCRACY".
                        And where do you shove it?
                      15. -1
                        20 October 2019 21: 53
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Finally, learn the definition of "DEMOCRACY".

                        I described the essence of democracy to you based on Lenin, and the definition and content of democracy are two different things.
                      16. -1
                        21 October 2019 09: 26
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I painted the essence of democracy for you, relying on Lenin

                        And this ... who is this? request I do not know such scientists or authorities or successful leaders.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        and the definition and content of democracy are two different things.

                        you send this to the Dictionary: "the definition of an object .... does not match its content."
                        That's why they laugh lol
                      17. 0
                        21 October 2019 23: 23
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And this ... who is this?

                        Have you really degraded so far that you have already slipped to the level of victims of the exam.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        you send it to the Dictionary: "the definition of an object .... does not correspond to its content."
                        That's why they laugh

                        What's so funny? Definition, like form, is the way in which content exists. and they do not always correspond to it.

                        Here is the definition of democracy.
                        Democracy is a form of political organization of society, based on the recognition of the people as a source of power, on their right to participate in public affairs and to empower citizens with a wide range of rights and freedoms.

                        And here is the real content of democracy:
                        the formal (and unreal) equality of political rights and freedoms of all citizens, which covers the rule of the bourgeoisie over the working people.
                      18. 0
                        22 October 2019 08: 52
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Is your degradation so far gone that you have already slipped to the level of victims of the exam

                        He is NOBODY.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Definition is the way content exists
                        belay request lol And send it to the Dictionary. Let them laugh.
                        Now learn what "definition" is
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Democracy is a form of political organization of society, based on the recognition of the people as a source of power, on their right to participate in public affairs and to empower citizens with a wide range of rights and freedoms.

                        Yes.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        the formal (and unreal) equality of political rights and freedoms of all citizens, which covers the rule of the bourgeoisie over the working people.

                        throw out Yes
                      19. -1
                        22 October 2019 19: 47
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        He is NOBODY.

                        Well, yes, the whole world, even enemies, recognize the great importance of V.I. Lenin, you alone are not. This suggests that you have either megalomania or schizophrenia ...

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And here is the real content of democracy:: the formal (and unrealistic) equality of political rights and freedoms of all citizens, which covers the rule of the bourgeoisie over the working people.

                        throw out

                        What for? This is true. Do you really think that you have the same rights and opportunities with Deripaska and Miller and others like them?
                      20. 0
                        23 October 2019 08: 43
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, yes, the whole world, even enemies, recognize the great importance of V.I. Lenin

                        Hitler also had a huge impact on history.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        This suggests that you, or delusions of grandeur, or schizophrenia...

                        once again I remind you: the madmen are the first to shout about the madness ... of those around
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        This is true. Do you really think that about you equal rights and opportunities with Deripaska and Miller and others like them.

                        Of course, yes: we go to one section. Yes
                        Opportunities are equal and cannot be: someone is turkish, someone is smart.

                        PS You have already sent your this: Definition is the way content exists- to the Dictionary? lol laughing
                      21. -1
                        23 October 2019 17: 24
                        [quote = Olgovich] Opportunities are equal and cannot be: someone is turak, someone is smart [/ qute]
                        No, it’s not because of that, but because today some kind of impudent, knows how to push everyone with his elbows, and someone suffers because of modesty and decently. Is this really right?

                        Well, tell me, is it really fair? I worked to build a gas pipeline from the Volga through Ukraine to Europe, and now several crooks have privatized it. Do you think this is fair? I believe that this should be in the ownership
                        state to work for the whole nation. So all the Bolsheviks want what is bad here?

                        At the expense of the dictionary. if there were Soviet scientists there today, many of them would agree with me that the form and content would not coincide with each other.
                      22. 0
                        24 October 2019 09: 01
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No, it’s not because of that, but because today some kind of impudent, knows how to push everyone with his elbows, and someone suffers because of modesty and decently. Is this really right?

                        because of this.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I workedto build a gas pipeline from the Volga through Ukraine to Europe, and now several crooks have privatized it. Do you think this is fair? I believe that this should be in the ownership
                        state to work for the whole nation. So all the Bolsheviks want what is bad here?

                        You received a SALARY for this.
                        You think primitively: it must belong to someone who can EFFECTively lead.
                        A successful company is MUCH FAVORABLE to the state and people (pays huge taxes, creates slave jobs). than the unprofitable state company stolen by everyone.
                        those. the state may also be the owner, but only if it is effective. But there are problems with this.

                        But the subsoil-should belong only to the people.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        At the expense of the dictionary. if there were Soviet scientists there today, many of them would agree with me that the form and content would not coincide with each other.

                        We are not about form, but about defining
                      23. -2
                        24 October 2019 19: 55
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You think primitively: it must belong to someone who can EFFECTively lead.

                        Why on earth? I was building, and someone will come and say: "Get out of here, I will own it, because I will effectively manage it", Yes, you are just a godsend for all exploiters, just a singer of private property ..

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        We are not about form, but about definition

                        Let it be known to you that both form and definition are a way of the existence of content and may not coincide with it.
                      24. 0
                        25 October 2019 09: 00
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Why on earth? I built

                        I do not understand: salary, as promised in the contract, received? Yes?
                        What other questions ?! belay
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        and someone will come and say: "Get out of here, I will own it, because I will effectively manage it"

                        YOU- who prevented privatization? You tried? No?
                        So what are the questions?
                      25. 0
                        25 October 2019 19: 40
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I do not understand: salary, as promised in the contract, received? Yes?
                        What other questions?

                        But you don’t understand this, I was building a gas pipeline for the whole people and not for a crook with stolen money. The people already understood that the bourgeoisie had deceived him with privatization, and you continued to bend its line, so I would not be surprised that the time would come and the people would want to get even with everyone who had deceived him and who had helped them do it.
                        About participation in privatization. Do not tell people, our vouchers cost exactly two bottles of vodka.
                      26. 0
                        26 October 2019 09: 01
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I built a gas pipeline for the whole people

                        Built for SALARY. Without her, you would have no SPIRIT there.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        That's why I will not be surprisedthat time will come and the people will want to get even with everyone who deceived him and who helped them do it.

                        "Forever surprised" lol
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        About participation in privatization. Do not tell people, our vouchers cost exactly two bottles of vodka.

                        Who had enough brains, so much and cost. Sorry....
                      27. -1
                        26 October 2019 09: 28
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Who had enough brains, so much and cost. Sorry..

                        You have not settled down yet?
                  2. -1
                    15 October 2019 03: 45
                    Does the remaining whites smell? That's noticeable. Was the "legality" of whites recognized by everyone? Yes ... on the territory of that very car. Elections under the Bolsheviks were constant.
                    1. -2
                      15 October 2019 09: 03
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      From the remaining whites stinks?

                      Again, the first time you do not understand? Reread again!
                      Quote: Sahar Medovich
                      The elections under the Bolsheviks were permanent.
                      The true clothes of the naked king are visible to everyone except the king. You went further than him: you yourself know that nature is not covered by anything.
  8. 0
    16 October 2019 10: 16
    Guys, not new, sir! What Disassemblies in Russia were going on in the Beginning of the 17th century. (Time of Troubles), but what about the way the Rurikovich in the 12th Century had a Brawl better and not to remember, sir!
  9. 0
    21 December 2019 13: 27
    Yes, then the capitalist Jews destroyed the Russian state !!!! And now the government kisses the ass of the olegarchs, businessmen and other nouveau riche, offending the people along the way, and then the people will get tired of all this and again the historians will describe us the battles instead of defending the people now, again as then people hate the gendarmes and other power-hungers but then the gendarmes didn’t even sell drugs, now the police, as murderers from Auschwitz, are killing Russian Russians’s support !!!!!