"Perm disaster"

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100 years ago, on the night of 24 on December 25 of 1918, Kolchak's troops, defeating the 3 th Red Army, took Perm. However, the successful offensive of the white army stopped the counter-attack of the 5 th Red Army, which took Ufa on 31 in December and created a threat to the left wing and rear of the Siberian Army.

Situation on the Eastern Front



By the beginning of November 1918, the Red Army on the Eastern Front achieved serious success: on the right flank (4-I Red Army), in the center (1-I and 5-I armies). At the same time, the 2 Red Army occupied the Izhevsk-Votkinsk District (How to suppress the Izhevsk-Votkinsk uprising; Sturm Izhevsk), which the wedge entered the red front and for quite a long time connected considerable forces of the Reds, restricting their operational freedom. These successes were accompanied by the disintegration of the Directorate’s troops, especially in the Ufa area. The 3 th Red Army, which had opposed the main enemy forces, was in a more difficult position. However, the defense was stable, and the Reds achieved a number of private successes.

Thus, the overall situation at the front was favorable for the Reds and made it possible to develop the offensive during the new campaign. Therefore, the main command of the Red Army decided that the crisis on the Eastern Front was overcome and it was possible to strengthen other fronts at the expense of its troops, mainly the Southern. At the same time, only the right flank of the Eastern Front was weakened; the left, that is, the 3 Army, was strengthened - the 5 and 7 rifle divisions and the brigade of the 4 rifle division. So, November 6 proposed to separate the entire 1 Army from the Eastern Front to reinforce the Southern Front. At the same time, in the rear, mid-flight reinforcements began to be sent not to the Eastern, but to the Southern Front. The new units formed in the rear of the Eastern Front also redirected. For example, on November 4, the 10 rifle division, which was completing the formation in Vyatka, was ordered to be transferred to the Tambov-Kozlov region, to be sent to the Western Front.

At the same time, the Red Army continued its offensive on the Eastern Front. This was due to a number of factors. First, it was connected with the force of the initial blow of the Reds in the Ufa direction, which they inflicted on the whites. Secondly, there was a process of internal decomposition of the army of the Directoire, its combat effectiveness has fallen sharply. Third, the Czechoslovak units, which were the core of the white army, began to leave the front line. The Czechs, who sympathized with the social-democratic government, did not support the military coup in Omsk, but under pressure from the Entente did not oppose the coup. In addition, they were tired of the war and no longer wanted to fight when they received the news of the surrender of Germany. The slogan "home" has become the most popular among Czech legionnaires. They began to leave the front, and after leaving the military atmosphere the Czechoslovak army quickly decomposed, the main activity of the legionnaires was personal and collective enrichment before returning to their homeland. Their military trains now resembled freight trains full of various good things stolen in Russia.

Therefore, in November, all the armies of the Red Eastern Front continued their offensive, except for the 3. So, from 11 to 17 in November 1918, the Reds advanced on the Orenburg direction to two transitions to Orenburg. Also the Reds were advancing in the Ufa direction, attacking Birsk in the Menzelinsky direction, they took the city of Belebey. In the Votkinsk direction, after the capture of Votkinsk 11 - November 13, the Reds forced the Kama. Only in the Perm region fights went with varying success.

Only in early December, the situation has changed. In the Ufa direction, White launched a counterattack, trying to restrain the Reds. In the area of ​​Belebey, fierce battles started, he was temporarily lost in red. On the Sarapul sector, the 2 Army continued to slowly develop success, occupying a wide lane on the left bank of the Kama. At the site of the 3 Army, the Whites began to crowd the Reds.

After the military coup of 18 in November of 1918, when, under the conditions of complete military and economic insolvency of the Social Democratic Provisional Government (Directory), the military, with the consent of the Entente, appointed the “supreme ruler” Admiral Alexander Kolchak. The dictator retained the White Czechs' military strategy: the advance of the main army forces in the Perm-Vyatka direction, access to Vologda, in order to connect with the northern parts of the whites and the interventionists, to gain access to the ports of Arkhangelsk and Murmansk. In fact, Kolchak inherited the military plans of the Czechoslovak command, which sought to find a closer way to Europe (northern ports) than Vladivostok. This idea was supported by the Entente and it was followed by General Vasily Boldyrev, Commander-in-Chief of the Directorate forces. November 2 General 1918 prepared a directive on the offensive of the Yekaterinburg group of the Siberian Army to capture Perm and reach the line of the Kama River.

"Perm disaster"

Supreme Ruler A. V. Kolchak hands the regimental banner. 1919

However, in fact it was a strategic impasse. The White Command, due to the interests of the Entente, neglected the main operational direction (toward Moscow) and the more important southern, where it was possible to establish contact with strong armies of the White Cossacks on the Don and Kuban (through the Volga and Tsaritsyn). The northern direction was very extensive and absorbed the main strike force of the White Army, communications here were less developed. By the time of Kolchak's offensive, the northern front of the Entente and the Whites was finally constrained by the onset of winter and could not help the Kolchak troops with a counterstrike. Even with the full success of the operation and the connection of the Eastern and Northern anti-Bolshevik fronts, whites received vast areas with a small population and a weak economic (industrial and agrarian) potential. The Bolsheviks retained control over the most developed central part of Russia. The northern front was too weak to seriously enhance the combat potential of Kolchak's army. The invaders did not want to go deep into Russia and did not want to be in the first roles in battles with the Reds. The West was solving the problem of fomenting a fratricidal civil war in Russia, and was not going to use its troops for decisive operations on the vast Russian expanses. Not surprisingly, the Czechoslovak units, which were under the control of the Entente, soon left the White Guard front, which also affected the activity of the Kolchak army.

The 2 Red Army, under the command of V.I. Shorin, consisted of 9,5 thousand bayonets and sabers with 43 guns and 230 machine guns. The M.N. Lashevich's 3 Army had more than 28 thousand bayonets and sabers with 96 guns and 442 machine guns. They were opposed by the Ekaterinburg and Perm groups of the Siberian Army: more than 73,5 thousand bayonets and sabers, 70 guns and 230 machine guns.


Artillery of the White Czechs near Kungur

Perm operation

November 29 1918 of the year, White launched the Perm operation. The offensive was launched by the Yekaterinburg group of the Siberian Army (1 of the Central Siberian Army Corps of General A. Pepeliaev and the 2 of the Czech division), numbering about 45 thousand fighters. 3-I red army under the onslaught of superior enemy forces begins to lose its stability. November 30 Reds leave Vyya station, depart to Kalino and Chusovaya stations. White breaks through the front of the 3 army. December 11 Kolchak take the Lysva plant, December 14 come to the line Chusovoy plant - Kungur. Reds are trying to stop the enemy at the turn of the river. Chusovaya, but due to heavy losses (up to half of the personnel) and weak combat capability of the units, they continued to retreat to Kungur and Perm.

It should be noted that the main reason for the rapid defeat of the 3 th Red Army was not its numerical weakness compared to the enemy, but qualitative weakness. By this time, the army had enough reserves, but its best personnel from the Ural proletariat were already knocked out, and the influx from the center of the country from relatively well-trained and disciplined, politically literate units ceased. The 3 Red Army was replenished with marching battalions with companies from the mobilized peasants of the Vyatka and Perm gubernias, which were distinguished by weak combat and political training. They only decomposed the rest of the troops, not reinforcing them. Also among the reasons for the defeat of the Reds note: the length of the front (400 km), lack of food and fodder, natural conditions (hard frosts, deep snow) in the face of lack of winter clothing, shoes, fuel and vehicles.

December 15 Corps Pepeliaeva, pursuing the 3 th army, occupied the station Kalino and Chusovaya. The command of the red 3 Army had still strong quantitatively, but obviously, weakly qualitative reserves. The forces of the 29 and 30 divisions of the rifle divisions occupied random positions in a continuous wooded and swampy area with a length of 40 - 50 km, which covered Perm from the north and east. Therefore, there were strong breaks in the red defense line. The Red command from Perm reinforced its left flank with three regiments of local formations from the special division (up to 5 thousand) and the Separate Kama Brigade (2 thousand fighters). The reinforcement of the 29 division from Perm sent several echelons of the 4 division of the Urals. Then, the last army reserve, the brigade of the 4 Ural Division, was withdrawn from Perm. As a result, the 3 Army was left without reserves, which were used to no avail, and Perm without a garrison and proper defense. The Whites used the enemy’s mistakes and the wooded area in order to break through to Perm between the separate sections of the defense of the 3 Army, which was formed due to the betrayal of one of the new regiments.

December 24 Kolchak united the Yekaterinburg and Perm groups into a new Siberian army under the supervision of R. Gaida. December 21 Kolchak took Kungur. On the night of 24 on 25 December, the White Guards captured Perm. The Reds left the city without a fight and ran along the railway line to Glazov. The Kolchak army captured the reserve battalion of the 29 Infantry Division, large reserves and artillery - 33 guns. White on the move forced the Kama and seized a large bridgehead on its right bank. There was a threat of a breakthrough of Kolchak's troops to Vyatka and the collapse of the entire left flank of the Red Eastern Front. However, soon the successful offensive of the Siberian army on the Perm direction went out. December 27 due to the success of the 5 Red Army in the Ufa direction, the White command stopped the attack in the Perm direction and began withdrawing troops to the reserve. The front of the 3 Red Army stabilized in front of Glazov. On December 31, Kolchak began the formation of a new separate Western army under the command of General M. V. Khanzhin (as part of the 3 Urals Corps, Kama and Samara Army Groups, later on 8 Ufa and 9 Volga Corps), to act on Ufa direction.

The High Command of the Reds drew attention to the crisis situation in the sector of the 3 Army. 10 December 1918 of the year it ordered to restore the position at the front, and parry the enemy's strike on Perm by maneuvering the forces of the 2 and 5 armies. However, 3-I army could not restore the situation due to the lack of front reserves, which could immediately be thrown into battle on a dangerous direction. And the results of the operations of the 2 and 5 armies could not immediately affect the sector of the 3 armies. Therefore, the Reds continued to conduct stubborn oncoming battles and in some places to advance in the Orenburg, Ufa and Sarapul directions to the east, and the 3-I army continued to retreat. December 14 the main command in connection with the crisis in the area 3-th army sets the task of the Eastern Front to develop an offensive on the front of Yekaterinburg - Chelyabinsk. On December 22, the High Command again instructed the 2 army to come to the aid of the 3.

After the fall of Perm, the main command took measures to strengthen the defense of Izhevsk and Votkinsk. The 2 th Red Army was categorically ordered to stop the advance to the east and turn north to act in the flank and rear of the Perm enemy group. December 27 decided to leave the 1 Army on the Eastern Front, canceling its transfer to the south. December 31 5 Red Army troops took Ufa, creating threats of a breakthrough of the white front. 6 January 1919 of the year Kolchak confirms the transition of troops to defense in the Perm area, and sets the goal to defeat the red group in the Ufa area and recapture the city.

In mid-January, the Red Command 1919 organized a counter-offensive in order to recapture Perm, Kungur and restore the situation at the front. The operation was attended by troops of the 3 Army (more than 20 thousand bayonets and sabers) and the 2 Army (18,5 thousand people), which was reinforced by the 7 Rifle Division's brigade from the reserve of the High Command and two regiments from 5 army. Also an auxiliary strike on Krasnoufimsk was delivered by the shock group of the 5 Army (4 thousand people), which in the Ufa area turned to defense by the main forces. January 19 The 1919 of the year launched the 2 army from the south and the strike group of the 5 army, January 21 - the 3 army. The operation did not lead to success, it affected: haste in organization and slowness in regrouping, lack of superiority in forces in the 2 Army, and also harsh winter conditions. By January 28, the 2 Red Army advanced to 20 — 40 km, the 3 Army — to 10 –20 km, the 5 Army's strike group to 35 - 40 km. Red troops could not create a serious threat to the Perm group of whites. Unable to break through the front of the enemy, the Reds went over to the defensive.


Map Source: Sovetskaya historical encyclopedia

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Kolchak's army, on its right flank, broke through the red front and defeated the 3 Army, captured Perm and Kungur. The first stage in creating a connection with the Northern Front through Vyatka and Vologda was successfully implemented. White captured a large urban center and important Motovilikhinsky factories, as well as a serious communications hub - water, railway and unpaved roads.

However, the further development plan of the offensive of the white command did not receive. This was due, firstly, to the measures of the red command. December 31 Red 5-I army took Ufa. Kolchak was forced to stop the attack on the Perm direction. The White Siberian Army went over to the defensive, repelling the Reds' counter-offensive and preparing a new strike in the Ufa direction.

Secondly, this was due to the strategic mistake of the white command. White stepped on the rake a second time, advancing in the northern, Perm direction. This direction, due to its vast space, climatic and local conditions (swamps and continuous forests), small population and weak economic potential, greatly hampered offensive operations and absorbed the strike forces of the White Army. In addition, the Northern Front of the invaders and the whites by this time was constrained by winter conditions and could not help the army of Kolchak. A part of the Czechoslovakia by this time left the front.

Thus, the first success of the whites did not lead to a decisive result, and the neglect of the white command to the main operational direction soon led Kolchak's army to a general defeat.

In the Soviet leadership, the loss of Perm became a pretext for the inner-party struggle: Lenin-Stalin against Trotsky-Sverdlov. Lenin used the situation to restore his position as the leader of the party and the commander-in-chief, who were shaken after his injury and temporary absence on the political Olympus. Also, the “Perm disaster” became the next stage after the Tsaritsyn conflict in the confrontation of Stalin and Trotsky. Even before the Perm operation, the people's commissar for military affairs and the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic, Trotsky came into conflict with the local Bolsheviks and the leadership of the 3 army, demanding to punish the commissars who were to follow the military specialists (in particular, in the summer of 1918, the commander of the 3 th army B. Theological switched to the side of the whites). Then Stalin and Dzerzhinsky were assigned to investigate the events of the “Perm catastrophe”.

5 January 1919 of the year Central Committee members arrived in Vyatka - the headquarters of the 3 Army. After conducting an investigation, they placed responsibility on the Revolutionary Military Council and the command of the 3 Army. Among the reasons for the defeat identified by Stalin and Dzerzhinsky were: errors of the army command, decomposition of the rear (began arrests of suppliers who were found to be negligent, inactive, drunkenness and other official crimes); weak local party and soviet organs (their cleaning and strengthening has begun); The "clogging" of the army by "class alien, counterrevolutionary elements" (Dzerzhinsky tightened the policy towards military experts); lack of human and material reserves, poor material supply of the army. The party-investigative commission also noted the errors of the RVSR led by Trotsky, in particular, the lack of establishing normal interaction between the 2 and 3 armies. Lenin praised the work of the commission. Later, in 1930 - 1940-ies, Soviet historiography began to evaluate the activities of Trotsky in this episode of the Civil War as treacherous.


Perm cannons in Motovilikha. Photo source: https://ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. +5
    25 December 2018 05: 22
    Mdaa ... what to fight in the conditions of the Siberian winter and the great distances of Siberia I will tell you this extremely.
    The Red Army was forged from such conditions of the war ... it is not surprising that in its ranks there formed a galaxy of magnificent commanders of the Red Army and later the Soviet Army.
    1. +11
      25 December 2018 05: 47
      Quote: The same Lech
      Mdaa ... what to fight in the conditions of the Siberian winter and the great distances of Siberia, I’ll tell you this extremely ...

      And don't say ...
      But Perm has nothing to do with Siberia. This is the European part of Russia. Urals
      1. 0
        25 December 2018 06: 08
        One hell ... what the terrain is thoroughly blown through by the chilling winds ... mollusk do not grieve.
        1. +6
          25 December 2018 10: 00
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          One damn thing ... the terrain is thoroughly blown through by the chilling winds ... cold mother Mama Do not Cry.
          For a number of parameters, we are even worse than in Siberia, because humid climate. At temperatures that are ridiculous for Siberians in -25, due to winds and high humidity, it may feel like oak trees, as in Novosibirsk -40. And in the summer the sun doesn’t pamper us, frequent rains, overcast and humidity, humidity ...
          1. +4
            25 December 2018 15: 47
            how tired I am of reading about these "terrible minus 25", welcome to our Kolyma laughing
          2. +3
            26 December 2018 01: 29
            It’s like, but I have a homeland and a happy childhood ... Well, it’s damp - yes, but in bulk mushrooms and, if with a rope, carefully go down to the karst funnel in the forest and put your ear to the ground, you can hear the underground river rustling.
            1. +3
              26 December 2018 07: 06
              Quote: Rusfaner
              To whom it is, but I have a homeland and a happy childhood ...
              Duck is also my homeland, I like it here))) But the climate is difficult. Not Sochi, objectively.
    2. +3
      25 December 2018 07: 41
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Mdaa ... to fight in the conditions of the Siberian winter and the great distances of Siberia I will tell you this extremely.

      Well, that’s why the main fights went along the Trans-Siberian Railway. I was interested in this photo
      especially the signature under it: "Artillery of White Czechs near Kungur"
      And most importantly, he is always associated with white-covers, but forgive the face of the first gun’s loading, it clearly has Caucasian features, and the clothes of all calculations, which reminds me of the Cossacks. Since I don’t see the stripes on the left sleeve of their clothes, these are the ones they can see when viewed in Omsk

      But the officer watching the shooting with binoculars has it, but not the fact that he commands there.
      And such white whales ....
      1. +1
        25 December 2018 09: 30
        But what kind of guns are these for White, the caliber is clearly less than three inches, probably 47 mm. For the first time I see, usually on all sides in the Civil caliber 76 mm and above.
        1. +5
          25 December 2018 15: 50
          these are trench guns, and in my opinion just 75-77mm ..., look at the shells in the photo ....
          1. +1
            25 December 2018 21: 41
            The shells, of course, are similar to the 76 mm, but the guns are small, most likely, the powder filling in them is also small, since decent anti-recoil devices are not visible. In other words, the shell is not unified with the three-inch 1902 of the year.
            1. +2
              25 December 2018 22: 01
              it is quite possible
            2. +3
              27 December 2018 23: 09
              Quote: Aviator_
              The shells, of course, are similar to the 76 mm, but the guns are small, most likely, the powder filling in them is also small, since decent anti-recoil devices are not visible. In other words, the shell is not unified with the three-inch 1902 of the year.

              This is a 76 mm mountain gun mod. 1909, only without shield cover, or its variants: 76-mm anti-storm (sample 1910) or short (sample 1913) gun. The shells for them did not differ from the 1902 divisions, but for short guns the powder charge was reduced.
              1. 0
                28 December 2018 08: 34
                Thanks for the info. Here I am talking about the same thing - the weight of gunpowder is different.
      2. BAI
        +1
        25 December 2018 10: 39
        This is the Czechs, 1919, but where there are different opinions. Most of this photo is found in the description of events near Samara.
        1. +2
          25 December 2018 11: 27
          Quote: BAI
          This photo is most often found when describing events near Samara.

          Purely visually, I will willingly believe that this is the Perm region. Hills, trees. The structure is also very typical, I can't explain exactly why, but it looks "very local".
          I have been to Samara Oblast, but it seems to me that the area is different. Even if we assume that this is a Lada (hills from here) - somehow it does not look like. And the tree in the Samara region is not the main tree. Deciduous and pine, and few trees. But we have these Christmas trees on every corner.
      3. +2
        25 December 2018 17: 23
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Mdaa ... to fight in the conditions of the Siberian winter and the great distances of Siberia I will tell you this extremely.

        Well, that’s why the main fights went along the Trans-Siberian Railway. I was interested in this photo
        especially the signature under it: "Artillery of White Czechs near Kungur"

        We have a guy from Kungur at work, I’ll show him a photo, he can tell me what kind of place it is.
    3. +1
      25 December 2018 13: 38
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Red Army was forged from such conditions of the war ... it is not surprising that in its ranks a galaxy of magnificent Red Army commanders was formed

      Yeah, it's just your unreasonable speculation. If the Red Army forged in such conditions, then why did it show itself so poorly in the war with Finland? the same disregard for supply, which has not changed at all from the Civil ...

      And the whole "galaxy of great commanders" who emerged from the Civil War (those who survived the repressions of 31-39), amicably and with a crash sat down in a puddle in 1941-42. These are the facts.
  2. +6
    25 December 2018 05: 53
    An excellent article, and showing very well who Kolchak was, a pro-Western puppet, so do not put monuments and boards on him, but a count of aspen and anathema ..
    1. +9
      25 December 2018 06: 06
      Yes, the entire white movement for Western money existed, this is the question "xy from xy".
      1. -5
        25 December 2018 13: 39
        Quote: GKS 2111

        Yes, all the white movement for Western money existed, er

        Dear, study the question before you say something. And for the record - the "old Bolsheviks" - in general, an international team of professional revolutionaries, created and financed EXCLUSIVELY with Western money, and before which the modern "navalnata" are mere children. So that's it.
        1. +1
          25 December 2018 20: 00
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          The "old Bolsheviks" are generally an international team of professional revolutionaries, created and financed EXCLUSIVELY with Western money, and before whom the modern "navalnata" are mere children.

          Therefore, they forgave the debts of the London Club and the French, white people would give honor to the land.
    2. +5
      25 December 2018 06: 11
      Kolchak, a pro-Western puppet, so do not put monuments and boards on him, but a stake aspen and anathema ..

      Yes, grateful heh heh descendants while making monuments and films about him ... though other grateful descendants are looking for where to stick a stake in his grave ... as you know, Kolchak’s body was pushed into the ice hole ... crayfish and fish have done their job a long time ago.
      1. +3
        25 December 2018 06: 46
        mdya movie, of course HAT.
      2. +4
        25 December 2018 19: 28
        The same LYOKHA "Yes, grateful heh heh descendants so far make monuments and films about him.
        Yes ... but we all do not understand the figures of the white movement.))) They also wanted the best ... as it was ...)))

      3. -2
        26 December 2018 13: 18
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        . True, other grateful descendants are looking for where to stick a stake in his grave ... as you know, Kolchak’s body was pushed into the ice hole ... crabs and fish have long done their job.

        It would be better if these descendants tried to somehow preserve at least the country that was built on the ideas of Marxism, but no, in 1991, no one got up off the couch, or rather, everyone stood in lines for bluish hens and toilet paper. crying

        But no, 30 years have passed since the time when the descendants of those who killed Kolchak and destroyed the "White Movement" squandered their state, and instead of doing normal things, they are still stubbornly looking for his body. to "stick a stake in his grave" ... that's a truly useless part of society ... hi
    3. -1
      27 December 2018 21: 58
      Quote: Conductor
      An excellent article, and showing very well who Kolchak was, a pro-Western puppet, so do not put monuments and boards on him, but a count of aspen and anathema ..

      This entire article is almost completely taken from the Soviet historical encyclopedia - briefly, dryly and ideologically. There is even a link to it under the map. The same map is in the Soviet Military Encyclopedia (SVE), and the article is even shorter.
      As for pro-Western puppets, look for them among the Bolsheviks. Their entire company came to power using money received from bankers from the United States.
  3. +2
    25 December 2018 07: 33
    Central operations offensive Kolchak, Siberians flashed
    but the strategy was worth earning
  4. 0
    25 December 2018 08: 37
    At first I thought that Oleinikov’s article, but when it came to
    The White Command, because of the interests of the Entente, neglected the main operational area (to Moscow)

    I immediately recognized the author and quit reading. smile
    1. -10
      25 December 2018 09: 21
      Quote: The calculator
      I immediately recognized the author and quit reading.

      They threw it in vain: they would have learned a lot of new things, for example, that which is not Council of Ministers Russia appointed Kolchak, and ... anonymous military. lol
      And also about the military plans of the Entente, about which she did not suspect.
      Sorry about world government this time is not said ....

      And not Perm disaster, but Perm victory happened at that time.
      1. 0
        4 January 2019 23: 44
        Monarchism is an incurable diagnosis.
  5. +4
    25 December 2018 09: 21
    As can be seen from the article, Stalin took an active part in the destruction of the boulder-idols. Here are just the local bulkhrusts at the VO, for some reason they are building it in hidden monarchists.
    1. -7
      25 December 2018 10: 08
      Quote: ruigat
      Stalin took an active part in the destruction of the boulder-idols.

      Only in WWI did the bulk-cracked idols fight for Russia, and Dzhugashvili skerked on the links from the service.
      But then he turned around widely - letting Russians into consumption. So until the 53rd and did not stop the hero, while his friend Lavrenty did not capitalize.
      1. +8
        25 December 2018 15: 14
        So in the WWII all fought for the Republic of Ingushetia. And boulder-shaped idols (Denikin, Yudenich, Alekseev) and red heroes (Chapaev, Budyonny, Schors). But in civilian red heroes fought for the future of the country and the common people, and the boulder-idols for the interests of foreign owners and their own nishtyak trough. Stalin destroyed the Russians by orders of magnitude less than your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, as can be seen from the demographic dynamics.
        1. -5
          25 December 2018 15: 37
          Quote: ruigat
          So in the WWII all fought for the Republic of Ingushetia.

          Who's everyone? Dzhugashvili and Vladimir Ilyich were buried in the bushes and called for the defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia.
          Quote: ruigat
          and red heroes (Chapaev, Budyonny, Schors)

          Those. the red heroes were full of fools - at first they fought against the Germans, then for those who poured all their many years of front-line labor into the sewers?
          Quote: ruigat
          than your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, as can be seen from the demographic dynamics.

          I don’t have any owners, I don’t know such. Vekselbergs with Abramovichs of the same blood as your revolutionary heroes. I Lazari in the hosts unnecessarily - this is your bgatiya.
          1. +5
            25 December 2018 17: 43
            Quote: The calculator
            then for those who leaked all their many years of front-line labor into the sewers?

            In fact, the front-line soldiers supported the Bolsheviks for this very reason. So that their "front-line labors" do not become even more "long-term".
            1. -2
              25 December 2018 18: 32
              Well, according to this logic, can Vlasovites and policemen, that's why they went to Hitler? To prevent front-line works from becoming perennial? And what - a bayonet to the ground and a step march to the German collective farm for peaceful labor.
              If Budyonny and Dzhugashvili can be traded in the homeland, then what is worse for Vlasov?
              Just a man wanted to relax))
              1. +3
                26 December 2018 14: 02
                No, the logic here is different. Vlasovites and policemen went to the enemy of the Russians to Hitler, because it seemed to them that he would win. When they realized that he would lose, they betrayed him. If there was a chance, they would betray someone else.
                But Budyonny and Dzhugashvili fought against those who tried to trade the homeland of the type of Krasnov or the same Vlasov. For the same reason, the mass of tsarist generals and officers held the Bolsheviks, and then many white emigrants.
            2. -5
              26 December 2018 09: 03
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              Actually, this is precisely why the Bolshevik front-line soldiers supported it.

              The thief was carried out by non-front-line soldiers, and the cowards who were sitting in the garrison in St. Petersburg and afraid that they would be sent to the front. Two shipping orders were also issued. But they did not obey the order, the "council" ... canceled them fool
              So they decided to drop those who gave orders.
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              So that their "front-line works" do not become even more "long-term".

              belay fool lol
              Their labors have become MUCH more perennial by the efforts of the majority of people right up to 1922 and much more critical. Only they didn’t beat the invaders, but their fellow citizens, while others have long been building a peaceful life.
              1. 0
                26 December 2018 16: 56
                In Petrograd - those who did not want to go to the front. And who was at the front - deserted from there by hundreds of thousands. They carried out a thief throughout Russia.
                And that the war went on until 1922 - not their fault. And they beat in this war incl. occupiers.
          2. 0
            26 December 2018 08: 37
            Who's everyone? Dzhugashvili and Vladimir Ilyich were buried in the bushes and called for the defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia.

            So they were enemies of the tsarist regime of the Republic of Ingushetia before, but they managed to make the bully-crystal idols enemies and those who fought for them.
            Those. the red heroes were full of fools - at first they fought against the Germans, then for those who poured all their many years of front-line labor into the sewers?

            Against the background of these fools, all sorts of "white knights" like Skoropadsky, Krasnov, Drozdovsky, who in words are against the "Brest shame", but in fact kissed the Germans on the gums, and fought against their own people, look generally disgusting.
            I don’t have any owners, I don’t know such. Vekselbergs with Abramovichs of the same blood as your revolutionary heroes. I Lazari in the hosts unnecessarily - this is your bgatiya.

            Well, are you so bad about your founding fathers? They created you (new bulkhrust crust-mankurts), nurtured. Monuments to your boulder-idol idols put, Great Soviet past denigrate, even canonized the most miserable of the kings, and you shun them.
        2. -1
          27 December 2018 22: 13
          Quote: ruigat
          But in civilian red heroes fought for the future of the country and the common people, and the boulder-idols for the interests of foreign owners and their own nishtyak trough.

          Naive simplicity. How simple is it for you !?
          1. -1
            28 December 2018 02: 07
            Naive simplicity. How simple is it for you !?

            You do not have a naive complexity, obviously everything is not easy?
      2. 0
        25 December 2018 20: 12
        Quote: The calculator
        Only in WWI did the Bulk-Crunch idols fight for Russia

        Remind me, because of what the WWI began, I suppose I fought for the royal Ponte Pan-Slavinism and the Turkish Straits, and fought with Germany and Austria.
        1. 0
          27 December 2018 22: 10
          Quote: naidas
          Remind me, because of what the WWI began, I suppose I fought for the royal Ponte Pan-Slavinism and the Turkish Straits, and fought with Germany and Austria.

          And what do you have against pan-Slavism?
          For your information, this term is correctly spelled just like that - Pan-Slavism, and not like yours.
  6. +2
    25 December 2018 17: 17
    Yeah ... Superficial article. There is very little about the Permian disaster itself. I have read materials from both sides, even visited the old positions of the Red Eagles regiment of the 29th Infantry Division. Philip Ivanovich Golikov, the future Marshal, fought in it.
  7. +7
    27 December 2018 09: 20
    There is a retelling of well-known events, and not an author's study. And it is depressing.
    Map - not from the Soviet historical encyclopedia, but from the Soviet military encyclopedia of 1976, under the editorship of Marshal Ogarkov
    1. +7
      27 December 2018 09: 37
      From where and retelling
  8. 0
    19 February 2019 15: 41
    The history of the Civil War is still not being used to its full extent: why are the Czech Republic still not presented with claims for participating in our civil war, and for robbing the gold reserves of Russia, which was exported to Prague, and became the basis for the formation of the state and economy of the Czech Republic in 20-30s?