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Victory of the Red Army on the Don

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In February, the Red Army detachments managed to suppress the anti-revolutionary center on the Don by supporting the population, numerical superiority and a good supply of ammunition from the warehouses of the old army.


The defeat of the counterrevolutionary forces on the Don

6 (19) December 1917 was the year the Soviet government established the Southern Revolutionary Front to combat the counter-revolution. V. Antonov-Ovseenko was appointed commander-in-chief of the troops of the front. The immediate task of the Soviet troops was to cut off Ukraine from the Don and cover the Don Region from several sides. Initially, the total number of forces aimed at Ukraine and the Don, was only a few thousand bayonets and sabers. In December, several thousand soldiers arrived in Kharkiv from Petrograd, Moscow and other cities led by the commander Antonov-Ovseenko and his deputy, the chief of staff, a former officer of the tsarist army Muravyov. Antonov-Ovseenko handed over command of the troops of the front in Ukraine to the chief of staff of the front, Muravyov, and himself headed the struggle against the Kaledinians.

The main forces of Ataman Kaledin were concentrated in the Kamenskaya - Glubokaya - Millerovo - Likhaya area. A volunteer army was formed in Rostov-on-Don and Novocherkassk (about 2 thousand fighters). In addition, separate Cossack guerrilla-type detachments and several regular Cossack units occupied the Gorlovo-Makeevsky district of Donbass, displacing Red Guard units from there. However, the White Cossacks and the Whites could not create a strong army and front during this period to oppose the movement of the Red detachments. This was due to the split of the Cossacks, which could expose and arm the whole army. If a small part of the Cossacks armed themselves against the Bolsheviks, and supported Kaledin, the majority was tired of the war, declared "neutrality" and even sympathized with the Soviet power.

Kornilov and Kaledin in January 1918 of the year divided. Leaving the officer's battalion to the ataman with a battery to protect Novocherkassk and as a core for the Don troops, the Volunteer Army (DA) moved to Rostov. White leaders were counting on the support of the big city, the local rich (industrialists, bankers, etc.), and the rise of the officers — thousands of officers lived in Rostov. However, as before, the bourgeois capitalists miscalculated the White movement, but the officers still tried to stay away from the conflict.

By December 25 1917 (January 7 1918) Antonov-Ovseyenko troops almost without resistance occupied the western part of the Donetsk basin. From here he planned, by acting in columns of Sivers and Sablin, to destroy the main forces of Kaledin in the Voronezh area. The column Sablina was from Lugansk to develop an attack on the station Likhaya; the column of Sivers, providing it from the south, had to go to the station Zverevo, in order to then turn onto Millerovo. At the same time, from the direction of Voronezh, a column of Petrova formed in Voronezh was supposed to attack on, and its advanced units had reached Chertkovo station by that time.

Meanwhile, the punitive Cossack detachments of Chernetsov, Lazarev, Semiletov made their raids on the territory of Eastern Donbass. The attacks were accompanied by flashes of Cossack terror. Kaledinians defeated Yasinovsky and Bokov-Crystal Mine Councils. Fierce fighting ensued in the area of ​​Yuzovka and neighboring Makeevka. December 19 (January 1) Cossacks broke into the Brestovo-Bogodukhovsky mine. December 22 (January 4) Sivers column entered the Donbass, where it joined with the partisans from the mines. On the night of 21 on December 22 (January 3-4), the Red Guards launched an offensive from Yuzovka. The fighting engulfed the area of ​​Yuzovka, Khanzhenkov, Makeyevka, Mospin, Ilovaisk. The fierce battle at the Prokhorovsky mine between Yuzovka and Makeevka lasted about a day and ended with the victory of the Red Guard.

During this period, there was some lull in the fighting. As N. Ye. Kakurin noted in his work “How the Revolution Fought”: a hitch was characteristic “for the initial period of the Civil War: military units on both sides arbitrarily began to conclude an armistice with each other”. Petrova’s column set up talks with the Cossacks at Chertkov; The Cossacks, pressed by Sivers column south of Yuzovka, asked for a truce. Sablin's detachment was weak to actively advance. Reinforcements sent from the front proved to be ineffective. Moving up to st. Ilovaiskaya, Sievers was forced to stop. Two regiments from his column refused to obey, they had to be disarmed and sent to the rear.

The enemy, taking advantage of this circumstance and collecting small effective reserves, with short blows threw back both Antonov-Ovseenko columns. December 27 (January 9), having suffered heavy losses, Sievers' troops left part of the Yuzovo-Makeevsky district and retreated to Nikitovka. Unfavorable situation has developed around Lugansk. On the night of December 28 (January 10), the Cossacks occupied Debaltseve. December 29-31 (January 11-13) Chernetsov's detachment occupied the Yasinovskaya commune in Makeyevka. Miner groups of Yuzovka, Makeevka, Enakiyev and a group of troops under the command of Sivers came to the rescue of the mine. Yasinovsky mine was repulsed. Sivers' troops, which were joined by 4 thou. Red Donbass guards, launched an offensive through Ilovaisk and Taganrog on Rostov. A group of troops commanded by Sablina, also reinforced by local Red Guards, from the Luhansk region, launched an offensive against Rostov through Zverevo-Kamenskaya-Novocherkassk. 12 (25) January 1918, the Soviet troops occupied Makeevka.

Meanwhile, the Don government was losing control over the situation on the Don. Returning from the front, the regular regiments of 10 (23) in January held their own congress in the village of Kamenskaya. Among the revolutionary regiments were the former Life Guard Cossack and Ataman regiments, who spent a long time in the capital and engaged in "politics". The Cossacks announced the overthrow of Ataman Kaledin and the transfer of power to a revolutionary committee headed by Fyodor Podtelkov. The revolutionary Cossacks demanded disarmament and the expulsion of the Kornilovites. Kaledin sent the 10 th regiment to disperse the congress and arrest the instigators. But even this regiment, which was considered the support of the ataman, did not execute the order, declared it "neutrality" and joined the protesters. Then, against the revolutionary Cossacks, the Chernetsov detachment was abandoned. The revolutionary Cossacks had a great advantage in strength. But the whole mass of revolutionary regiments, batteries and individual units could not withstand the onslaught of several hundred determined fighters. As a result, Kaledin with great difficulty managed to oust the Don Revolutionary Committee from the limits of the region. The revolutionary Cossacks, although they had the advantage in manpower, did not want to fight.

However, this victory was tactical. With the passivity and even hostility of the bulk of the Cossacks and the population of the whole region and to the Don government and white, their defeat became inevitable. The finally decomposed Don units were replaced on the Voronezh and Kharkov directions by units of the Volunteer Army. This measure allowed the defenders to temporarily halt the progress of the columns of Sievers and Sablin. The column of Sablina, weakened by the allocation of part of their forces to help Sivers, who was advancing on the Taganrog direction, moved to help the troops of the Don Revolutionary Committee, which were pressed by Kaledinians. January 31 captured the Likhuyu station, but the next day received a strong counter-attack from the volunteer units and withdrew with heavy losses, leaving Zverevo station as well. The Sivers column attacking Taganrog was also defeated in a clash with volunteer units and went to Art. Amvrosievka.


Krasnogvardeisky detachment led by R. F. Sivers, 1918

However, at that time an uprising began in Taganrog, where the workers of the Baltic Works (5 thousand people) revolted, knocking the whites from the city. In addition, the columns of Sablina and Sivers received reinforcements from the Northern Front — several regiments and batteries of the old army, and several revolutionary detachments. Sivers also received a powerful armored train with naval guns. On January 21 (February 3), Sivers’s column moved forward again and on January 26 (February 8) established contact with the rebels in Taganrog. The white shell front collapsed.

Kaledinians and Kornilovs were able to put another strong counter-attack on the Sablin column. Red Cossack regiments, retreating from Kamenskaya, gathered near Glubokaya. Here, Golubov, a military foreman, stood out; he began to put together an efficient unit on the basis of the 27 regiment. The White Cossacks of Chernetsov made a detour and attacked Deep not by rail, where they were waited, from the steppe. The revolutionary Cossacks ran again. But then the Red Cossacks joined up with a column of Petrov that approached from Voronezh. Chernetsov's squad hit the pincers and was crushed, the white commander himself was killed. The red parts of Golubov, Petrov and Sablina moved to Novocherkassk.

In addition, at this moment, the encirclement of the center of counter-revolution on the part of Tsaritsyn and the Caucasus affected. The headquarters of the Southeastern Revolutionary Army was created in Tsaritsyn, the commander of which was elected the cornet of Autonomists. This headquarters began to concentrate the forces of the 39 Infantry Division of the old army from the Caucasian front at the station Tikhoretskaya. This division was supposed to develop an offensive against Yekaterinodar — the stakes of the counter-revolutionary Kuban government. He was twice attacked by local revolutionary troops, who tried to attack Ekaterinodar from Novorossiysk, but without success. Bataysk 13 February was occupied by units of the 39 Infantry Division. But the Reds could not advance further.

28 January (10 February) 1918, Red detachments occupied Taganrog and launched an offensive against Rostov. The Reds were moving slowly because of damage to the ways by the enemy and fearing for their rear. Further defense of Novocherkassk and Rostov became meaningless. Don Cossacks did not want to fight. Moreover, the revolutionary Cossacks already became the striking force of the red detachments. The small Volunteer Army could not stop the enemy, which, as it moved, was reinforced with reinforcements from local workers and Cossacks, received reinforcements from the central regions and the old front. Kornilov and Alekseev decided to retreat to the Kuban, where Yekaterinodar was still holding and there was hope for the support of the Kuban Cossacks. Kaledin offered to pull the entire Volunteer Army to Novocherkassk. Kornilov and Alekseev were against. “I cannot defend Don from the Don,” said Kornilov. In Novocherkassk, YES turned out to be in a “cauldron” and was doomed to death. January 28 (February 10) General Kornilov notified Kaledin that the volunteers could not protect Novocherkassk and go to the Kuban. Kornilov asked him to return the officer battalion.

29 January (11 February) Kaledin gathered a government meeting at which he informed about the decision of the command of the Volunteer Army and that only 147 fighters remained to protect the Don region from the Bolsheviks at the front. Members of the Don government declared that there was no possibility to defend the capital, and offered the ataman to go to the stanitsa, who remained loyal and continue the fight. Tired, psychologically broken, Kaledin declared that he considered it unacceptable to run and hide in the villages and in such conditions he resigned from his duties as a military ataman. On the same day, General Kaledin committed suicide with a shot to the heart. In his suicide letter to General Alekseev, he explained his departure from life "by the refusal of the Cossacks to follow their chieftain."

The next day the Military Circle elected General A. M. Nazarov as a troop ataman. Nazarov during World War II commanded the 20 Don Cossack Regiment, was chief of the 2 Trans-Baikal Cossack Brigade, and since March 1917 was appointed commander of the 8 Don Cossack Division, and already in April 1917, he was commander of the Caucasian Cavalry Division. On the way to the Caucasus, Kaledin was retained, and became the commander of the Taganrog garrison, then the marching chieftain of the Don army. General Nazarov refused to leave Novocherkassk with the detachment of the Marching Ataman General P. Popov (1500 fighters), who went to Zadonsk steppes to continue the fight. The DA representative in Novocherkassk, General Lukomsky, proposed Nazarov to join Kornilov. Nazarov refused.

The death of Kaledin for some time shook the Don. The youth fell silent, the old men began to arm themselves, declaring that Don had sinned before his chieftain and should atone for the blame. Cossacks flocked to the city of Novocherkassk in thousands, general mobilization was announced, new units were formed. Red offensive stopped. With the Romanian front made his way with weapons in the hands of the 6 th Don regiment and immediately went against the Reds. However, soon the wave of enthusiasm died out. 6 th Don regiment succumbed to propaganda and refused to fight. The Cossacks, shouting and shaking their weapons, again went home. February 12 (25) Red Cossacks N. Golubov occupied Novocherkassk without a fight. Nazarov and the Chairman of the Troop Circle E. A. Voloshinov were arrested. February 18 them and other representatives of the Don government were shot.

Victory of the Red Army on the Don

Major General, marching, and then military ataman of the Don Cossack Army, Anatoly Nazarov (1876 - 1918)

The volunteer army in Rostov was in a critical situation. The generals Alekseev and Kornilov decided to retreat to the south, in the direction of Ekaterinodar, hoping to raise the Kuban Cossacks and enter into an alliance with the peoples of the Caucasus, making the Kuban region a base for further military operations. Their whole "army" in the number of fighters at that time was equal to a regiment - 2,5 thousand people. Since the beginning of the formation, 6 thousand people signed up for the army, but the rest died, were injured or went missing. On the night of 9 (22) in February 1918, the Volunteer Army crossed the ice to the left bank of the Don and went from the village to the village. She stopped in the village of Olginskaya. Here it was reorganized into three infantry regiments - Combined Officer, Kornilov Shock and Guerrilla. February 25 volunteers moved to Ekaterinodar.

10 (23) February red occupied Rostov. 10 (23) in March, the Don Revolutionary Committee proclaimed on the territory of the Region of the Don Army “an independent Don Soviet republic in a blood union with the Russian Soviet Republic”. At the head of the Don Republic was Cossack Podhorunzhi F. Propulsion Podtyolkov. Soviet power lasted in Rostov until the beginning of May 1918. In early May, German troops occupied the western part of the Don Army Region, including Rostov, Nakhichevan-on-Don, Taganrog, Millerovo, Chertkovo. On May 16, in Novocherkassk, the ataman of the Great Don Army was elected General P. N. Krasnov, who entered into an alliance with Germany.

Results

The first stage of the Civil War ended in favor of the Soviet government. The main counter-revolutionary foci — Ukraine and the Don — were extinguished. Also, the Reds took up in the Orenburg province and the Ural region, where a coalition of the Ural and Orenburg Cossacks, hostile to Soviet power, was formed, led by ataman Dutov. January 31 1918 of the year whites were driven out of Orenburg, ataman Dutov fled to Verkhneuralsk.

Success had a strategic character: in just two months, the Soviet government extended to the whole Don region and Little Russia, Ukraine. It seemed that some hotbeds of civil war would be crushed and peace would come. However, in February 1918, external forces intervened - Turkish, Romanian and Austro-German invaders. External invasion allowed to restore the base for the development and expansion of the scale of unrest. In addition, the invasion of the troops of the Entente — Britain, France, the USA and Japan — and the uprising of the Czechoslovak Corps, inspired by the masters of the West, soon began, which allowed the establishment of the power of counter-revolutionary forces in eastern Russia. The second stage of the war began, much larger, already with real armies and fronts.

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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 6 March 2018 07: 12
    +9
    On December 6 (19), 1917, the Soviet government established the Southern Revolutionary Front to Combat Counter-Revolution

    You look, you just made a speech with the so-called Decree on eternal peace for all, and bam! -Front opened a new one! belay fool And not against the invaders, but against ....their fellow citizens, the hero of Russia, the people's chosen deputy of the Assembly of Russia, the hero of the Lutsk breakthrough of General Kaledin! Short only did not recognize the seizure of power by criminals and continued to live a normal normal life: he prepared and held elections to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly. Moreover, the German front was removed the remaining legacy units for fratricidal war
    They didn’t have time for the invaders, they agreed with them at the expense of the present to the invaders a third of Russia, they had to beat their own, having made a war worse than the world!
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 6 March 2018 07: 48
      +9
      So for the Bolsheviks, Russians are not their own, but ALIENS, as well as vice versa.
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 08: 09
      +6
      Dear Olgovich, among the Bolsheviks and their last ones, they always — promise the golden mountains, but make it completely torrential to their promises.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 6 March 2018 16: 54
        +3
        such a pain. what a pain Argentina Jamaica 5: 0

        and all this was observed by Nikolai 2
    3. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 6 March 2018 10: 17
      +16
      Quote: Olgovich
      You look, you just made a speech with the so-called Decree on eternal peace for all, and bam! -Front opened a new one! And not against the invaders, but against .... their fellow citizens

      Another cry of Yar ... Olgovna laughing laughing laughing
      The whole bastard was hateful, she hated the Bolsheviks before the October Revolution, and after it, she immediately began to fight against the Soviet regime. It is a pity, then the Bolsheviks did not immediately let these foreign litter into consumption, many victims could have been avoided.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 10: 34
        +7
        Good gentleman, how can one not treat hatred towards figures who during the years of foreign aggression call for the defeat of their native country?
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        these foreign litter

        These words of yours brilliantly characterize the Bolsheviks, who first used German money to achieve their goals, and then in Brest they traded their homeland without a twinge of conscience in order to maintain their power.
        1. BAI
          BAI 6 March 2018 10: 59
          +16
          during the years of foreign aggression call for the defeat of their native country?

          1. And it was the Bolsheviks who started the WWI?
          2. And what is the point of the Bolsheviks to fight for the "allies" who do not recognize them?
          3. The army is decomposed and does not want to fight. She had already demolished ALL who insisted on continuing the war - the king, the Provisional Government. The Bolsheviks-anyone, but not masochists and not id_i_o_t_y. They perfectly understood how the continuation of the war would end for them — they would be swept away (the tsar and the Provisional Government did not understand this).
          4. Name at least one reason for the continuation of the war for the ordinary peasant or worker, on whose behalf the Bolsheviks spoke.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 11: 44
            +6
            I will answer you on points:
            1) The war began Austria-Hungary and Germany. They declared war on Russia and took hostile action against it. Any government defending the interests of Russia should have continued the war until victory over the aggressor.
            2) And what was the point of the Bolsheviks staging a coup in the midst of the war and during its treacherous conduct anti-war propaganda?
            3) Do not lie. The interim government fell due to the Bolshevik coup, and not the actions of the army. In the same way, the king was curtailed as a result of a conspiracy, not an army uprising.
            4) You know, it is the duty of a citizen or citizen to protect his homeland from a foreign aggressor. You do not wonder, what were the reasons for the continuation of the war in 1944, when the Germans were driven out of the territory of the USSR? And it’s good if you didn’t forget that the Germans claimed during the years of WWII against the Russian Baltic States and Ukraine. So the sense of protecting themselves from the dictatorship of the Germans was more than ordinary peasants and workers.
            1. BAI
              BAI 6 March 2018 16: 39
              +5
              Let's go through the points again.
              1.
              The war was launched by Austria-Hungary and Germany.


              July 31 in the Russian Empire declared general mobilization in the army.
              On the same day, a "threatening war" was declared in Germany. Germany presents Russia with an ultimatum: stop conscription, or Germany declares war on Russia.
              On August 1, Germany declared war on Russia.
              Everything seemed to be clear - Germany declared war on Russia. But between the events of July 31 and August 1 it is necessary to put the words of B.M. Shaposhnikov (who, I hope, does not need to be explained): "The beginning of general mobilization is an unconditional declaration of war." Those. according to the norms of that time, Russia unofficially declared war on Germany. The Tsar, in the near future, began a war for which Russia was not ready.
              "With great care I picked my nose" did not pass without a trace.

              2.
              And what was the point of the Bolsheviks to arrange a coup in the midst of war

              And when else? During periods of defeat, the current government has minimal support. Dissatisfaction with the war is an excellent occasion that cannot be used. Look how Putin is criticized for Syria. Only Putin, unlike the tsar, has the support of the majority of the population.

              3.
              Do not lie. The interim government fell due to the Bolshevik coup, and not the actions of the army. In the same way, the king was curtailed as a result of a conspiracy, not an army uprising.

              In my opinion, this statement should be addressed to you. The Provisional Government fell as a result of the actions of the Bolsheviks WITH THE MOST ACTIVE support of the army and the ABSOLUTE unwillingness of the Army to defend the Provisional Government. The female battalion and the few junkers are not an army.

              4.
              You know, a citizen or citizen has such a duty to protect his homeland from a foreign aggressor
              This is true when the government enjoys the support of the population and society is united. The binding here of World War II is completely inappropriate. It is more correct to focus on Poroshenko and the anti-terrorist operation in the Donbass = opposition to "aggression" of Russia. You completely and completely repeat his demagogy. When a state fights against a true aggressor, it is one: 1812, 1941-1945. When artificially fabricated, there is no unity: WWII, the war in Ukraine.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 18: 26
                +3
                This is what strikes me in your comments, as it is outright Russophobia and transcendent cynicism.
                Quote: BAI
                July 31 in the Russian Empire declared general mobilization in the army.
                On the same day, a "threatening war" was declared in Germany. Germany presents Russia with an ultimatum: stop conscription, or Germany declares war on Russia.

                Tell me, did you specifically “forget” that on July 28, Austria-Hungary, hostile to Russia, announced a complete mobilization? Do you really think that Russia should have been defenseless in the face of such an action, especially since
                Quote: BAI
                The beginning of general mobilization is an unconditional declaration of war. "

                2.
                Quote: BAI
                when else? During periods of defeat, the current government has minimal support.

                Are you incapable of understanding the simple idea that a coup in the midst of war is a betrayal of the homeland? The Bolsheviks committed an act of betrayal in relation to their homeland and people.
                3.
                Quote: BAI
                With the most active support from the army and the absolute unwillingness of the army

                First, you confuse active support and passive inaction.
                Secondly, you forget that the Army responded to the Bolshevik coup by creating the White movement.
                4.
                Quote: BAI
                Poroshenko and the ATO in the Donbass = opposition to the "aggression" of Russia. You completely and completely repeat

                Cynicism, amazing in its impudence. Do you really not see the difference between the war with your own citizens, unleashed by the Bandera regime and the defense of the Fatherland from foreign aggression? During the Second World War, German troops actually stood on the territory of Russia and the Germans cherished plans to tear away Russian territories. Here is a real map of German plans in those years:
                1. BAI
                  BAI 6 March 2018 21: 04
                  +3
                  Tell me, did you specifically “forget” that on July 28, Austria-Hungary, hostile to Russia, announced a complete mobilization?

                  Russia stood up for the union of Serbia. She could not fight either Germany or Austria-Hungary. All that happened is the political mistakes of the king.
                  a coup in the midst of war is treason to the motherland?

                  Treason to the Homeland - entering the war for the interests of others in an unprepared state.
                  First, you confuse active support and passive inaction.
                  Secondly, you forget that the Army responded to the Bolshevik coup by creating the White movement.

                  Is the Baltic Fleet in general, and Aurora in particular, not active support, but passive inaction? Aren't you funny yourself?
                  White movement? Compare the strength of the Red Army and the white units. And do not talk about mobilization, if there is no desire to fight, there is always desertion.
                  Do you really not see the difference between the war with your own citizens, unleashed by the Bandera regime and the defense of the Fatherland from foreign aggression?

                  I see very well. (My father fought). And I see very well the difference between demagogy and hypocrisy on the one hand and the actual state of things on the other. The Bolsheviks saved Russia from destruction - the complete collapse of the state and from foreign occupation - as, by the way, shown on your map. To make peace, not surrender when you are threatened by defeat, is a political victory. The interventionists in Russia appeared due to the actions of the tsar and the Pr-v-va, and not the Bolsheviks. They simply had to be cleaned up by their predecessors.
                  And finally
                  undisguised Russophobia and transcendental cynicism.

                  So, to defend the tsar and blaspheme the Bolsheviks is Russophilia and conscientiousness, and to defend the Bolsheviks and criticize the tsar is Russophobia and cynicism? In my opinion, all these 4 words have a different meaning.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 March 2018 10: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: BAI
                    She could not fight either Germany or Austria-Hungary. All that happened is the political mistakes of the king.

                    She could not help but fight: Schlieffen’s plan, are you not familiar? Is it really hard to read? Quickly defeat France, then ALL forces to Russia. Or was it adopted .... June 31?
                    A-Hungary concentrated troops on the borders of Russia and Russia was forced thereafter to mobilize. Moreover, Germany was specifically declared that it was only against the threat of A-Hungary.
                    That there was no June 22. Or do you like the course of events on June 22?
                    Read the source telegrams, chronology, memoirs, and not kommagitki.
                    Quote: BAI
                    All that happened is the political mistakes of the king.

                    Thanks to the Emperor, the World War did NOT start in 1907, 1909, 1912. A-Hungary SAME concentrated forces on the border of Serbia, and Germany SAME was ready for war. Russia has resolved the issue.
                    Thanks to the Emperor and the Government, WWI remained the main front in the West. In contrast to the terrible failure of the owls of leadership before WWII, when WWII remained mainly in Russia.
                    Quote: BAI
                    Treason to the Homeland - entering the war for the interests of others in an unprepared state.

                    They attacked us - read about slaughterhouse in Kalisz, arranged by the Germans on August 1. How is it different from WWII?
                    Quote: BAI
                    White movement? Compare the strength of the Red Army and the white units. And do not talk about mobilization, if there is no desire to fight, there is always desertion.

                    It was mobilization and violent, for voluntary mobilization in the Red Army completely failed. For deserters the family and fellow villagers-property and lives
                    Quote: BAI
                    So, to defend the tsar and blaspheme the Bolsheviks is Russophilia and conscientiousness, and to defend the Bolsheviks and criticize the tsar is Russophobia and cynicism?

                    In many ways, yes. Find the expression among the Bolsheviks Russophiles-Bolsheviks lol laughing
        2. Rastas
          Rastas 7 March 2018 19: 12
          +5
          No one presented evidence of the use of German gold by the Bolsheviks; everything was fake. Emigrant historian Melgunov agreed that there was no evidence, after the July uprising in the 17th, the Provisional Government organized a show trial, prepared 22 volumes of materials, but did not accumulate anything. Why such a fact, if it was, did not use Hitler in the 41st for anti-Bolshevik propaganda. Imagine what kind of information bomb would be.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 March 2018 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Another cry of Yar ... Olgovna

        Not at rKassa to cry lol
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        The whole bastard was hateful, she hated the Bolsheviks even before the October Revolution, and after it, she immediately began to wage a struggle against the Soviet regime.

        The White Guard was born AFTER the Thief, after October 25, 1917, in battles in Moscow against accomplices of the German invaders. Before the thief, she was not there, her FUTURE members fought with the German occupiers, in contrast to the bald tourists (accomplices of the occupants) who sat out in the war in .... Switzerland), instead of defending the Fatherland.
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        It is a pity, then the Bolsheviks did not immediately let these foreign litter into consumption, many victims could have been avoided.

        Yeah, if bald tourists had been DRAGED to the wheelbarrows for construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway on lawful grounds, they would have brought double benefit: for the FIRST time in life they would have earned a penny for life, benefiting the country and would have disappeared there forever.
        And they in exile (at the resort) gobbled up grouse, skated, got married, sunbathed, and fat so that the tourist’s mother-in-law was amazed: "Ek you SPILL!"
        It was a mistake, yes ....
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 6 March 2018 11: 20
          +6
          So why did you cry from the fact that the Soviet government began to defend itself from the bastard of loathing? :
          Quote: Olgovich
          You look, you just made a speech with the so-called Decree on eternal peace for all, and bam! -Front opened a new one! And not against the invaders, but against .... their fellow citizens

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          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 March 2018 11: 33
            +3
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            So why did you cry from the fact that the Soviet government began to defend itself from the bastard of loathing? :

            You with the RUSSIAN language are at odds if you do not distinguish my amazement (from what was promised and actually made by the Bolsheviks) from crying. yes
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Soviet power began defend oneself
            Do not defend, but ATTACK, first on the VP, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev, then it Don’t read the Don article again? belay
            But they defended themselves from it-in Moscow, in St. Petersburg, on the Don, Little Russia, Kuban, and the Urals.
            Those. attack-defense, attack-defense ...
            Learned or more repeat time? lol hi
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 6 March 2018 11: 46
              +7
              Mr. Brehlo, you yourself were different, they say the Bolsheviks promised the world, but for some reason you yourself began to beat the bastard of Bogelo. So I explained to you that at first the bastard opposed the Soviet government, and only then, the Soviet government began to beat them. And not the other way around.
              Okay, digest it for now, I know it takes you a long time wink
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 March 2018 13: 52
                +3
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Mr. Brehlo, you yourself varied, they say, the Bolsheviks promised the world, but for some reason they themselves began to beat the bastard of Bölödel.

                RUSSIAN language - respect and learn, not different, but was amazed that instead of the promised peace, they unleashed .... the war, and even with their own people, stopping for this war ... with foreign occupiers! fool belay

                Quote: rkkasa 81
                So I explained to you that at first the bastard opposed the Soviet government, and only then, the Soviet government began to beat them. And not the other way around.

                You are fellow students for 3 class open (more complicated, see, do not pull hi ): ow power FIRST attacked to the Provisional Government and Peter, FIRST attacked on the existing authorities in Moscow, Kiev, she FIRST attacked the Don.
                Look imperishable-комиксы lol "Lenin in October" - maybe the pictures will get better yes
                THIRD TIME to repeat? hi
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 8 March 2018 02: 40
                +5
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                ..... first, the bastard opposed the Soviet government, and only then, the Soviet government began to beat them. And not the other way around.
                Okay, digest it for now, I know it takes you a long time wink
                And how could it be assimilated by him? / Her? If in 100 years he has not acquired / not acquired, then now it is doubtful.
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 11: 46
            +4
            Soviet authority"? To defend oneself? Yes, you are pretty impudent! This Russia and the Russian people defended themselves against German accomplices and traitors who staged an anti-people coup during the years of unrest and war.
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 01: 19
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          The White Guard was born after the thief, after October 25, 1917, in battles in Moscow against accomplices of the German invaders.

          The White Guard was born because its representatives had been deprived of Soviet power by private property, with the help of which they mercilessly exploited the workers, and all the privileges that placed them over the common people.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 6 March 2018 13: 28
        +6
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        It is a pity, then the Bolsheviks did not immediately let these foreign litter into consumption

        what But the Bolsheviks were not foreign litter? And if there were, then why didn’t they let themselves into consumption?
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        many victims could have been avoided.

        bully Where is that more? And so the whole country was flooded with blood !!!
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 6 March 2018 07: 18
    +3
    Tired of people already fighting by 1918.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 6 March 2018 07: 28
    +4
    Sablin Yu.V. - Left SR, from May 1919 member of the RCP (b) party In the Red Army since February 1918. Member of the Civil War. At the beginning of 1918 he commanded the troops of the northern sector of the front to combat Kaledin. In March - April 1918 - commander of the 4th Army. Since April 1918 - military commissar of the Moscow region of the Western veil. Member of the Left Social Revolutionary rebellion in Moscow in July 1918, for which the Revolutionary Tribunal at the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on November 27, 1918 sentenced him to one year in prison. Taking into account the military merits before the revolution, the Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee was amnestied on November 29, 1918. Since December 1918 he commanded rebel forces in the Kharkov region. He was awarded two orders of the Red Banner. After the Civil War, in senior positions in the troops and the central apparatus of the Red Army. He was arrested on September 25, 1936 by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on June 19, 1937 and was sentenced to death on charges of belonging to an anti-Soviet organization. He was rehabilitated by a resolution of the Military Collegium of December 12, 1956.
  4. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 08: 08
    +9
    The author, as always, manipulates facts and frankly lies. Sivers detachments deployed uniform terror on the Don, exterminating all the more or less suspicious and objectionable “people's” authorities, which, in fact, provoked the desperate resistance of the Cossacks, who defended their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It was this, and not “foreign intervention,” that caused the Civil War to erupt.
    1. BAI
      BAI 6 March 2018 11: 14
      +11
      The author has nothing to do with it.
      The civil war began in 1917, when a brutal crowd killed several thousand policemen and officers in St. Petersburg, and the Provisional Government did not restore order (the Bolsheviks were not mentioned at that time). Then it went on increasing. In the Civil War there are no right and guilty, but it stops only when the winner does not completely destroy the enemy. And the Bolsheviks won the Civil. Accordingly, the whites, and those who supported them, were subject to unconditional destruction. It’s like in the wild - the struggle for existence. Where there is a taimen - there is no pike, where there is a pike - there is no taimen. Someone is eating someone. The law of nature, not society.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 March 2018 11: 35
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        The civil war began in 1917, when in St. Petersburg a brutal crowd killed several thousand police and officers,

        WHAT power with WHAT fought something? request
        Read your Bolsheviks: they determined it with May 1918
        1. BAI
          BAI 6 March 2018 16: 44
          +3
          Read your Bolsheviks: they have been defining it since May 1918

          And it was politically important for the interim government and the Bolsheviks to declare a bloodless seizure of power. Therefore, ALL lied! Unlike you, I am for an objective coverage of events, not fitting the facts to your favorite point of view.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 6 March 2018 14: 24
      +9
      Lieutenant, you always have nothing to do with the interventionists ... Apparently from good intentions, the Germans handed over weapons to the ataman Krasnov from the captured warehouses of the Russian army .. Yes, and a curious fact. During the WWII, the Allies were in no hurry to supply the Russian army with modern weapons tanks, the latest aircraft, but for the White Army they tried ... During the years of civil ...
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 18: 29
        +1
        In the years of civil just the “allies” were in no hurry with supplies. The article even about their deliveries was on “VO” https://topwar.ru/974-kak-soyuzniki-belym-pomogal
        i.html
        The “Allies” supplied Bely with open junk and in volumes much less than what was stipulated by the agreements.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 01: 23
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The Allies supplied White with outright junk

          Especially the tanks.
        2. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 7 March 2018 04: 22
          +4
          And Wrangel argued that the mat. help of the allies was "huge."
        3. Nehist
          Nehist 11 March 2018 20: 45
          0
          Especially consider why the British landed in Arkhangelsk, then yes the help was very small ....
  5. Luga
    Luga 6 March 2018 11: 49
    +16
    Oh, these apologists of the white movement - Teterin and Olgovich ... It seems, give them arms now - they will begin to kill the Communists and then they will say that the Communists again unleashed the terror. Well, honestly, I’m surprised how you can’t understand that while the civil war is going on, there are no right and guilty people, because the rightness of any side can be determined by the only criterion - victory. This is not a national liberation and not imperialist war, this is a war in which the winner is not determined by superiority in military art, patriotic spirit, etc., all of the participants are the same. Here, the force that has a wider and more powerful social base wins. If social and economic contradictions in the country have reached such a critical level that they can only be resolved with weapons, then the one who ultimately won is on whose side the majority is right. In the case of Russia at the beginning of the twentieth century, these were the Bolsheviks. No matter how vile, from the point of view of individuals, whose positions I, by the way, do not share, they (the Bolsheviks) were not, no matter what nasty things, again from the point of view of the same people, they objectively won, and therefore were right.
    And to deny their final and irrevocable victory by 1922 can only absolutely exalted, biased and stupid people.
    At the same time, who started the war - Kornilov, Lenin, Kaledin, Trotsky, Podtelkov, Chernetsov or "masters of the West" is absolutely unimportant, because the reason is important, not the reason. And this reason lies in the very social and economic contradictions. And these contradictions arose under the tsarist government. They arose, deepened and expanded to such an extent that they could only be resolved by war. So who is to blame for the civil war?
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 6 March 2018 11: 53
      +4
      I agree. There are no right, not guilty. You can remember the atrocities of some, you can cruelty of others. and when they are tied with blood, you will no longer be sensible.

      And there can be no subjunctive mood. Everything was mixed in the melting pot. And we are his children.
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 6 March 2018 16: 53
      +1
      In any case, I will put the author Samsonov for today's article a well-deserved plus. good Thank you! hi
  6. sigdoc
    sigdoc 6 March 2018 12: 31
    +5
    And with which of the invaders did the white “patriots” fight?
    The same patriots won in Iraq and Libya, and now the Great dictator is on the path to the prosperity of a united and great Syria.
    Whatever the Bolsheviks were, the whites were an order of magnitude worse.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 6 March 2018 13: 19
      +5
      Quote: sigdoc
      And with which of the invaders did the white “patriots” fight?

      That Reds also did not fight with the interventionists, name at least one battle between the Reds and the interventionists?
      1. sigdoc
        sigdoc 6 March 2018 13: 27
        +4
        With the Germans near St. Petersburg, the Czechs in Siberia, with the Poles in Ukraine.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 6 March 2018 13: 41
        +7
        Quote: RUSS
        name at least one battle between the Reds and the invaders?

        laughing February 23 tongue
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 March 2018 17: 52
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        That Reds also did not fight with the interventionists, name at least one battle between the Reds and the interventionists?

        In fact, during the battles of the 6th Army of General Samoilo with the British, it came down to the use of chemical weapons. Well, aviation, river monitors and magnetic mines on that theater were the norm.
        You can also take the Baltic: there, in addition to the shameful campaign of Raskolnikov and the raid on the Kronstadt of the British TCA, there were quite successful operations:
        - the sinking of the L-55 submarine (after an unsuccessful attack, the Azard and Gabriel EMs were fired upon and, when evading, ended up in a minefield),
        - drowning EM Vittoria (distinguished submarine "Panther"),
        - the only battle in the history of the Baltic “Sevastopol” with enemy ships, in which the Petropavlovsk LC took part (the Azard EM, pursued by the 7th British EM, brought them to the LC, the British under fire 305 mm and 120 mm got close to the LK at 47 kb, then turned around and left).
  7. Opera
    Opera 6 March 2018 14: 27
    +4
    Quote: Luga
    And these contradictions arose under the tsarist government. They arose, deepened and expanded to such an extent that they could only be resolved by war. So who is to blame for the civil war?

    Apparently, to resolve these contradictions, professional revolutionaries from Europe and the USA were drawn to Russia by the "kindest soul" ... But this, as you say, is no longer important! In your opinion, it is important who eventually won even if he fired from a gun with a crooked muzzle and from around the corner! Leave this passage of yours without comment. And about the victory ... the USSR did not last 69 years. It broke up on December 20, 1991. Just a reminder - today, March 6, 2018, 14 hours 26 minutes Moscow time, the country of Russia (RF).
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 6 March 2018 15: 22
      +1
      Well, whether the state of the Russian Federation is Russia is a debatable issue. For example, the historian S.V. Volkov strongly disagrees with this and his arguments are quite convincing. hi
      1. Opera
        Opera 6 March 2018 15: 31
        +2
        Many historians completely disagree with each other at all! There are different points of view and historical concepts, including and completely radical!) I think you know this? There are still political historians and historians from politics ...)))) The fact that you know this too I have absolutely no doubt!
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 6 March 2018 15: 41
        +2
        For me, Russia is more than the current Russian Federation.
        1. Opera
          Opera 6 March 2018 15: 45
          +3
          Of course, if we talk about the Russian lands generously distributed to the right and left together with the Russian people!
        2. Gloomy
          Gloomy 6 March 2018 15: 46
          +2
          About that and speech.
          There is no legal or political succession between the Russian Empire / Republic and the Russian Federation, not a single legalization of the Republic of Ingushetia / RR in the Russian Federation is valid (but the USSR has a wagon and a small cart)
          Territory and population are also not consistent.
          The anthem (state symbol) is again Soviet.
          There are many nuances that indicate that the Russian Federation MAY only become Russia in the future.
          1. Opera
            Opera 6 March 2018 15: 52
            0
            If we are talking about form and essence, how strange this question now lies more on the philosophical plane than on the legal one and certainly this is not the closest political issue on the agenda! Everything will come to its natural essence with God's help. Russians just have to choose the right priorities.
            1. shuravi
              shuravi 6 March 2018 17: 03
              +6
              Quote: Oper
              If we are talking about form and essence, how strange this question now lies more on the philosophical plane than on the legal one and certainly this is not the closest political issue on the agenda! Everything will come to its natural essence with God's help. Russians just have to choose the right priorities.



              That's for sure. Priorities






              1. RUSS
                RUSS 7 March 2018 19: 23
                0
                Quote: shuravi
                That's for sure. Priorities

                You rightly indicated the patriarch of the schismatic Filaret.
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 01: 35
            +4
            Quote: Cheerful
            The Russian Federation can only in the future become Russia.

            The Russian Federation can only become a renewed Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which, after the establishment of the power of the workers' councils in them, will again be united in the Soviet Union.
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 8 March 2018 02: 52
        +2
        Quote: Cheerful
        Well, whether the state of the Russian Federation is Russia is a debatable issue. For example, the historian S.V. Volkov strongly disagrees with this and his arguments are quite convincing. hi

        But many citizens may not agree with anything. Why is Volkov only known? Some still find the earth flat
    2. Luga
      Luga 6 March 2018 17: 45
      +5
      Quote: Oper
      Apparently, to resolve these contradictions, professional revolutionaries from Europe and the USA were drawn to Russia by the "kindest soul" ...

      Exactly. All possible viruses flock to a weakened body. Remember 90. But who weakened this organism? The Russian empire was brought to a helpless state and in the end the Romanovs, in particular, Nicholas II, collapsed. His board created a breeding ground for parasites, ranging from members of the august surname to "street preachers", including Milyukov, Rodzianko, Kerensky, etc.
      .
      Quote: Oper
      But this, as you say, is no longer important! In your opinion, it is important who eventually won even if he fired from a gun with a crooked muzzle and from around the corner!

      It is important who managed to stop this bacchanalia. Methods of termination can be discussed and criticized, but if they have led to success, everything else is secondary. So, the subjunctive mood that history does not know.
      Quote: Oper
      The USSR did not exist for a full 69 years. Decayed 20 December 1991 year.

      During this time, actually restoring the Empire within its former borders and even expanding them (the Warsaw Pact), as well as lifting the country out of the ruins of the Civil War, setting up roads, bridges, schools, libraries, hospitals, cities, factories and power plants, winning the Second World War, creating a huge scientific and industrial base, an atomic bomb, jet aircraft and having managed to be the first in the world to go into space. Not bad for almost 70 years ...
      Quote: Oper
      I just remind you - today is 6 of March 2018 of the year 14 of hours 26 of minutes Moscow time, the country is Russia (RF).

      It’s good that you remember this, but it’s not necessary to brag, it’s not such a high achievement.
      And why are you doing this? To the fact that the USSR will soon exist for 30 years? So I remember. Or do you think that Gorbachev's perestroika, which resulted, in fact, in a revolution, is the continuation of the Civil War, which did not end in 1922 (I heard such a point of view)? Well, then analyze and compare the economic and political situation of the Russian Empire and the USSR on the eve of their collapse, find what they have in common, how they differ, highlight the reasons (economic and social) of these or those events, compare ... Or do you have the only one like Samosnov the engine of progress is the struggle of the "superethnos of the Russians" against the "masters of the West"
      or the Masonic conspiracy, experiments of aliens, God's business - to choose from? If something like that, then of course I’m talking to you in vain and will abstain, but if not, it would be interesting to get acquainted with your conclusions regarding whether perestroika is a continuation of the Civil War and why.
      Well, or explain what you had in mind, with such pathos, notifying your colleagues and me personally about the current date and the exact time of sending the message.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 01: 47
        +3
        Quote: Luga
        is perestroika a continuation of the civil war and why.

        Perestroika, like the civil war, is a type of class struggle. The class struggle after the Great October Socialist Revolution did not subside for a moment, it simply passed into the ideological sphere. And while proletarian class ideology prevailed in society, the victory was for socialism. After the Great Patriotic War, the class consciousness of the Soviet people changed, and after Stalin's death, the petty-bourgeois consciousness prevailed in the leadership, which led to the curtailment of the construction of socialism. At the end of the 80s of the last century, the degenerated party and economic Soviet nomenclature wanted to supplement its power with the ownership of private property so that it could be inherited. This is precisely the reason for Gorbachev's perestroika, the subsequent counter-revolutionary coup and privatization. And in order to deceive the working people, they came up with a voucherization.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 8 March 2018 03: 06
          +2
          Good evening, Alexander! I allow myself to disagree with you on certain points. It was precisely after the death of Stalin, after the arrival of Khrushchev, the elite began to think about their private property instead of socialist. And under Khrushchev, new laws appeared. Just at first the actions in this direction were hidden. Well, with the hunchback, the process began to accelerate and socialist property instantly became the private property of individual dodgers.
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 8 March 2018 08: 27
            +1
            Dima, you’re right about 97 percent: even during the life of Stalin, some of the party elite took care of their beloved, and then it gradually accumulated and overflowed.
            Regarding M. S., I will again draw an analogy from peasant life: he acted like a stupid coachman, he let go of the reins and let him “whistle”, and the horses were carried.
            Or an example from Gaidai: “Operation Y” when Shurik looked after the test and babysitting his granddaughter. Krylov’s about it for sure: "trouble, since the cake starts to stitch boots"
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 8 March 2018 21: 22
              0
              Part of the socialist property has so far been preserved by the state. It will soon be seen whether the next stage is destined to plunder the remnants of the legacy of the USSR — final privatization.
  8. antivirus
    antivirus 6 March 2018 17: 05
    +6
    again about BBukwitzah
    What would soldiers get from capturing the Straits of Istanbul?
    and wider-- from the victory in WWI?

    -Work 12 hours without a social package? And without a pension?
    what conditions did dr --Fr and Engl, Germ and AustrVengr have ???
    maybe RI was equal to China. not Europe?
    and this equality destroyed the "European Russia" and put it on a par with the colonies of the allies ???
    how long would a simple peasant get?
    "16 million bayonets" - the poor or the rich?
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 6 March 2018 18: 34
      +5
      In fact, from the capture of the straits, Russian peasants would have been given the opportunity to freely import the agricultural products they sell and, as a result, increased incomes. This is an immutable law of economics.
      And yes, by 1913 there was no longer a worker for at 12 o’clock. Not to mention the 8-hour working day at state-owned factories.
      At the beginning of the 20th century in most developed capitalist countries, a 10-12-hour working day was established. In Russia, as a result of a strike of workers in 1897, a law on working hours was passed, which allowed an 11,5-hour working day in 1908 at the factories of the Moscow province, for example, as a limit. The average working day was 9,5 hours for adult workers and 7,5 hours for minors.
      http://bse.sci-lib.com/article094716.html
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 7 March 2018 01: 54
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        In fact, from the capture of the straits, Russian peasants would be able to freely import agricultural products they sell

        Dear, import of products is not prevented by straits, but by the owners of the world market. And how they let strangers go there, in Russia today, probably, every schoolchild knows.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 8 March 2018 07: 02
          0
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          In fact, from the capture of the straits, Russian peasants would be able to freely import agricultural products they sell

          Dear, import of products is not prevented by straits, but by the owners of the world market. And how they let strangers go there, in Russia today, probably, every schoolchild knows.

          Actually, then there was a different situation: in the context of globalization, there is a mistress of the world market.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 8 March 2018 18: 29
            +3
            Quote: Monarchist
            Actually, then there was a different situation: in the context of globalization, there is a mistress of the world market.

            No, dear, you are mistaken.
            The world market began to take shape in the Middle Ages. But already at the time of the birth of capitalism, monopoly began to take shape, which led to the so-called "trade wars" between countries directed against it.
            At the beginning of the 20th century, the process of the formation of a new world economic order accelerated, contradictions between countries escalated, which led to the first world war for sales markets.
            By this time, America had already ousted Russia from the world wheat market, for example, if in the 1860s Russia provided 35% of wheat imported by England, then in 1913 it was only 9%. Accordingly, the share of deliveries in the import of other countries decreased as well.
            I do not think that after the war, America would allow Russia to regain its former glory of the breadbasket of Europe.
      2. Rastas
        Rastas 7 March 2018 19: 08
        +3
        The lieutenant would have received nothing of the sort from the straits. The apologist for the capture of Constantinople was the liberal Milyukov and the narrow group of trading magnates behind him, who would have made a profit by buying cheap grain from the peasants. And you forget the chronology Russia entered the war in August 14th, then the capture of the straits, as a goal, could not be set, because Turkey entered the war in October 14th. And the Russian soldiers did not understand why they needed any Dyrdynely, as Brusilov wrote in his memoirs, that the soldiers did not know about the Serbs, nor who are the Slavs, they killed some sort of Herz-Pepper-Hertz Serbs there, and why now it is necessary for them to harness, it was not clear to the Russian peasant.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 8 March 2018 08: 14
          0
          Raskat, point by point: a) Brusilov wrote his memoirs with the expectation that they would be published under the conditions of Soviet Russia, and then the WWII was not quoted. For example, for obvious reasons, he did not mention his orders for the execution. The liberals will be disappointed, but the first detachments were not created by Stalin, but also in the PMV.b) many times already it was said about the reasons for the WWII and the entry of Russia into it so that enough about it
          1. Rastas
            Rastas 8 March 2018 09: 37
            +2
            So it was not only Brusilov who wrote, but also the emigrant tsar general Kersnovsky. Or did he also serve the Bolsheviks?
          2. Sugar Honeyovich
            Sugar Honeyovich 8 March 2018 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: Monarchist
            the first detachments did not create Stalin


            Not only that: repressions against those who surrendered were also outlined in the WWII
  9. Yak28
    Yak28 6 March 2018 18: 01
    +7
    In the days of wild capitalism, when the poor king was whitewashed, and everything Soviet was doused with lies, suddenly an article appeared with the headline "Victory of the Red Army on the Don" Of course +