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"Your talk is not needed by the working people. The guard is tired!"

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100 years ago, in the second half of January 1918, the Bolsheviks forcibly dispersed the Constituent Assembly. The decision was right: another “talking room” gathered, which could not change anything. Russia and Russian civilization, which had been condemned by the West to partition and murder, had to be resolutely and toughly rescued, the time for talk was over.


The dictatorship of the Bolsheviks was at this moment the most expedient and right step. Only the party of Russian communists had a project for the development of a new (Soviet) civilization program and ideology corresponding to the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population of Russia. It was based on social justice and the construction of a new "bright world", where there will be no parasitism of a small social stratum over the people.

constituent Assembly

The 5 (18) of January in the Tauride Palace in Petrograd was the official opening of the Constituent Assembly - an elected body of 786 delegates, which it was decided to convene shortly after the February Revolution to determine the future state system of Russia. Elections to it took place in November 1917, after October, but the Bolsheviks who seized power did not dare to disperse it immediately, because the idea of ​​the Constituent Assembly was very popular in society.

As a result of the elections, more than half of the seats in the assembly were received by socialist revolutionaries (Social Revolutionaries), about a quarter - by the Bolsheviks, and the liberal party of the Cadets also showed a good result. Such well-known politicians such as Alexander Kerensky, Cossack atamans Alexander Dutov and Alexey Kaledin, Ukrainian nationalist Simon Petliura, etc. were elected to the Assembly. That is, people who had actually killed “old Russia” and wanted to remain at the top of the government got into the Constituent Assembly.

The victory of the Bolsheviks and the Soviet government proclaimed by them was under threat. The leader of the Bolsheviks, Vladimir Lenin, viewed the results of his party critically: “Combining the three main groups of parties in the elections to the Constituent Assembly, we get the following result: the party of the proletariat (Bolsheviks) - 9,02 million [voters], 25%; the parties of the petty-bourgeois democracy (socialists, revolutionaries, Mensheviks, etc.) - 22,62 million, 62%; landowners and bourgeois parties (cadets, etc.) - 4,62 million, 13% ". Of the deputies present at the first meeting of 410, the majority were also right Social Revolutionaries and their allies, while the Bolsheviks and Left Social Revolutionaries had only 155 mandates (38,5%).

"Your talk is not needed by the working people. The guard is tired!"

Meeting Meeting

On the same day, January 18, Pravda published a decree signed by Moses Uritzky, a member of the board of the Cheka, banning all meetings and demonstrations in Petrograd in the areas adjacent to the Tauride Palace due to “fears of any provocations and pogroms ". The fears were not in vain: the Right SRs initially really prepared to withdraw armed supporters on this day, as well as two "razagitirovannye" regiment, accompanied by armored cars. But in the morning of January 18, the Social Revolutionaries refused to use force and invited the soldiers to come out in support of the Constituent Assembly unarmed, so that there was no bloodshed. This proposal aroused a storm of indignation among the soldiers: “Why, comrades, are you really laughing at us? Or are you kidding? ”We are not small children and, if they went to fight with the Bolsheviks, they would do it quite consciously ... And the blood ... blood, perhaps, would not have been spilled, if we left the whole regiment armed ".

As a result, clashes really began on the streets of Petrograd and Moscow. The Bolsheviks blocked the approaches to the Tauride Palace by the forces of Latvian shooters loyal to them. Latvian regiments amid general chaos and the collapse of 1917, retained organization and fighting capacity. They historically hated the Germans, so they could not desert and leave for Latvia, occupied by German troops. After a truce with the Germans, the Latvian units were removed from the front and the 8 regiments became the strike force of the Bolsheviks (they were then deployed into the 16 regiments). In addition, the Bolsheviks had another strong trump card - detachments of sailors. Criminal elements joined them, various representatives of the "bottom", so the sailors were a very peculiar part of the "army" of the Reds. But the liberals, various socialists hostile to the Bolsheviks, did not have this either. They preferred to make spotlights, talk about the need for action (rather than act) and reform, etc.

True, supporters of the Constituent Assembly, despite the ban, responded with demonstrations of support, in which they participated, according to various estimates, from 10 to 100 thousand people. Among them were armed men, but the majority were unarmed - intellectuals, employees, workers. The soldiers opened barrage so that the protesters did not pass to the Tauride Palace. Several thousand people nevertheless marched to the palace with slogans - “Long live the Constituent Assembly!” As a result, this crowd was also dispersed. During the dispersal of the demonstrations were killed and wounded.

An eyewitness to the events, D. N. Bogdanov, a worker at the Obukhov Works, recalled: “I, as a participant in the March 9 of January 1905, must state the fact that I didn’t see such a harsh reprisal there that our“ comrades ”who still dare to call themselves as such, in conclusion, I must say that after the shooting and the wildness that the Red Guards and sailors worked with our comrades, and even more so when they began to pull out the flags and break the poles, and then burn them on the fire, I could not understand what country i am in: or to a socialist country, or in a country of savages, who are capable of doing everything that the Nikolaev satraps could not do, now Lenin's good fellows have done. ” Among the dead were prominent activists of the Social Revolutionary Party. The same fate awaited the Moscow demonstration in defense of the Constituent Assembly, where more than 50 people were injured during the skirmishes from both sides more than 200 were injured. In particular, the building of the Dorogomilovsky Council was blown up, where the Chief of Staff of the Red Guard District and several Red Guardsmen were killed.

Thus, the Soviet government did not repeat the mistakes of the tsarist regime and the Provisional Government, which by their lack of will and weakness made the anarchy in the capital prevail, which ultimately destroyed the “old Russia”. After the victory of the Februaryists of the capital, the army and the whole country were plunged into anarchy, “meetingovshchina”, the soldiers decided at meetings whether to fight the enemy and listen to the officers (or better to finish them). The army completely collapsed and collapsed. The soldiers returned to their homes in masses, the country was saturated weapons and people who are ready to shed blood who have not yet cooled off from the war. The peasants began their war with the landed estates, divided the land. The criminal revolution began, whole gangster "armies" are formed. National suburbs seethed and separated from Russia, began the massacre of Russians on the outskirts. In the Crimea and Central Asia, the forerunners of the current jihadists — Islamists and Basmachis — began to stir. The Western powers, Turkey and Japan began to divide the “Russian pie”. The economy was collapsing, the transport system was in chaos, in some places hunger had already begun. The rich began to flee, exporting capital and values ​​to the West and East. That is, Russia was writhing in agony, and February revolutionaries wanted to continue talking "about the fate of Russia", already in the framework of the Constituent Assembly.

The meeting of the Constituent Assembly itself opened with the proposal of the chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Bolshevik Yakov Sverdlov to recognize all decrees and resolutions of the Council of People’s Commissars (SNK) and to accept the draft Declaration of the Rights of the Working and Exploited People written by Lenin. The declaration declared Russia "the Republic of Soviets of Workers, Soldiers and Peasants' Deputies." But the deputies of the 237 meeting voted against 146 decided not to consider this declaration at all. So they actually rejected the Soviet power as illegitimate. Then 244 was elected by the Socialist-Revolutionary Centrist Viktor Chernov by the votes of the meeting.

Already on the night of January 6 (19) (the meeting was still going on) the Bolsheviks left the Tauride Palace in protest against the refusal of the Constituent Assembly to accept their declaration. Fedor Raskolnikov, representative of the Bolshevik faction, said: “Not wanting to cover up the crimes of the enemies of the people for a minute, we declare that we are leaving the Constituent Assembly in order to transfer to the Soviet authorities of deputies the final decision on the attitude to the counter-revolutionary part of the Constituent Assembly.” An hour after the departure of the Bolsheviks, the Left SRs also left the palace. The remaining deputies in the hall continued their work and adopted a number of documents: the law on land, proclaiming the land as public property, declaring Russia a democratic federal republic and calling on the belligerent powers to begin peace negotiations. During the meeting, “spectators” actively participated in it - revolutionary sailors (they mostly adhered to anarchist positions), which Uritzky wrote out passes, who was appointed by the Bolsheviks as the Commissioner of the All-Russian Commission for the Convocation of the Constituent Assembly.

Lenin ordered not to disperse the meeting immediately, but to wait for the meeting to end and then close the Tauride Palace and not to let anyone in there the next day. The meeting, however, was delayed until late at night, and then until the morning. Commissioner Dybenko (he was also elected to the Constituent Assembly from the Baltic fleet) stated to the chief of security Zheleznyakov that it was required to disperse the Meeting by force immediately, without waiting for the end of the meeting. The meeting was roughly interrupted at 5 a.m. when the head of the palace guard, sailor Anatoly Zheleznyakov (“sailor Zheleznyak”), entering the hall, said: “I received instructions to inform you that all those present left the meeting room because the guard tired and wants to sleep. " The next day, when the deputies approached the palace, they found the doors closed, and next to them stood a guard with machine guns and two artillery pieces. The security service stated that there would be no meeting, since it was forbidden by the Bolshevik government, and showed the machine gun: “If you don’t disperse, we’ll tickle”.


Viktor Chernov is a Russian political figure, one of the founders of the Socialist Revolutionary Party and its main ideologue.

The Pravda newspaper that day came out with an editorial: “The servants of bankers, capitalists and landowners, the allies of Kaledin, Dutov, slaves of the American dollar, the murderers from around the corner - right-wing Social Revolutionaries demand all themselves and their masters - enemies of the people - in the Constituent Assembly. In words, as if joining the demands of the people: land, peace and control, in fact they are trying to overwhelm the noose around the neck of socialist power and revolution. But the workers, peasants and soldiers will not fall for the bait of the false words of the worst enemies of socialism, in the name of the socialist revolution and the socialist Soviet republic, they will sweep away all its obvious and hidden murderers. ” On January 21, the decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly was published.

Thus the short work of the Constituent Assembly ended ingloriously. It was the right step, the February revolutionaries who had already killed the Russian autocracy and the Russian Empire received a majority in the Assembly. Their power led to the complete collapse of Russian statehood. Russia was in agony and to continue the path of “Western democracy” and demagogy meant to deprive the people and civilization of all chances for recovery. The Bolsheviks took power and offered the people and Russia a new development project, an idea (socialism, social justice) and a program. At the same time they had the organization, will and determination to achieve their goal.

It is clear that among the party of Russian communists there were also “enemies of the people” - revolutionaries-internationalists, Trotskyists, who, like the feminists (Westerners, masons), solved the problems of the owners of the West to eliminate Russian civilization and Russian super-ethnos. But in general, the vector of the Bolshevik Party was correct. And the “fifth column” eventually won and created the advanced civilization of humanity - the Soviet Union (red empire), restored the territory of the Russian empire and gave all people not only in Russia, but throughout the world hope for a fair world order.


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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 January 2018 06: 24
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    The decision was right, got together another "talking room", which could not change anything.
    Acceleration of the Constituent Assembly - crime against the Russian state and the Russian peopleleading to the civil massacre.
    elections to the Constituent Assembly were recognized as the most perfect elections in the world — free, universal, secret, equal. For the first time in the world, women took part in mass participation.
    And the people said their word, denying the Bolsheviks power. And they did not have the slightest right to speak on behalf of the people.
    The people were outraged by the usurpation of power by the Communists, why on earth should he recognize them?
    The chance was lost peacefully, in the conference room, and not on the battlefields, to solve the problems of Russia.
    the Bolsheviks arrested elected representatives, despite parliamentary immunity, banned the Cadets, killed them, beaten, shot huge demonstrations in support of the Assembly by forces of Latvian Russophobes-showed their true face - dictatorships, lies and hypocrisy.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 19 January 2018 06: 40
      +6
      Everything has already happened. Just one wave of destroyers, replaced by another wave.

      According to Talkov:
      "You annoyed the forces of evil.
      And it is evident that they brought them so that they decided to blind you. "
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 January 2018 07: 53
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      Quote: Olgovich
      The dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is a crime against the Russian state and the Russian people, which led to a civil massacre.

      Yes, this is the actual beginning of the CIVIL WAR.
    3. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 19 January 2018 08: 49
      +4
      elections to the Constituent Assembly were recognized as the most perfect elections in the world — free, universal, secret, equal.

      But still I would not say that these were absolutely free elections - the “anti-revolutionary" (monarchist, conservative) parties were not allowed to attend them.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 January 2018 10: 06
        +5
        Quote: Dzmicer
        "anti-revolutionary" (monarchist, conservative) parties were not admitted to them.

        They voted for the cadets.
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 19 January 2018 10: 18
          +6
          This fact does not negate the fact that it was allowed to choose only between varieties of red (the Cadets are essentially Social Democrats), which in fact was a restriction on competition and freedom of expression of the people.
    4. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 09: 01
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      Olgovich Today, 06: 24 New
      The dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is a crime against the Russian state and the Russian people, which led to a civil massacre.
      Well, everything, the carcasses of the light, Olgovich sat on his favorite skate. Give debelism fool to the masses ...
      Only full fool may argue that at that time, the CSS could have really changed anything in Russia, which is rapidly falling apart. Regular talkers who simply seized power, while they can do nothing but tear their throats at rallies.
      Russia had to be saved, radically and cruelly, and in places and cruelly, which the Bolsheviks did with success.

      Again for especially fool "gifted", not burdened by knowledge of history. The bourgeoisie and the white officers unleashed a civil war in order to maintain their dominant position over the oppressed people. The rest is FALSE and provocation!

      P.S. And let it be ... laughing laughing laughing
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 09: 08
        16
        The CSS could lead disparate forces to agreement. And then clean up. The proof of this is the slogan of the White movement (which the CSS did not deny and believed that only the CSS could determine the political system of Russia) - "For a united and indivisible Russia."
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Again, for those especially "gifted", not burdened by knowledge of history. Civil war unleashed

        People who dispersed the popularly elected Constituent Assembly and usurped power.
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Russia had to be saved, radically and cruelly, and in places and cruelly, which the Bolsheviks did with success.

        Successfully?

        To give up the most industrially developed territories and recognize the independence of the Privislinsky Territory, Estonia and Finland — is, in your opinion, a salvation? Good rescuers, nothing to say ...
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 09: 20
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          Lieutenant Teterin Today, 09:08 ↑
          The CSS could lead disparate forces to agreement.
          Only in your inflamed mind, no more.
          And then clean up.
          Well, yes, IF my grandmother had a parting, then she would be ...
          The proof of this is the slogan of the White movement (which the CSS did not deny and believed that only the CSS could determine the political system of Russia) - "For a united and indivisible Russia."
          Super... good I precipitated after such a "killer" argument and "evidence" ... laughing belay wassat
          About the Brest Peace, so again this must be said thanks first to your nonsense tsar Nikolashka, and then to the even more idiotic Kerensky, and even to your little bit generals with an officer who unleashed the civil massacre. That's really true from a sick head to a healthy one.
          GUARANTEE, you are all here, together home-grown monarcho-white-poor girls, you can at least confirm your vision of history until the second coming ... For example, let’s say yours took in 1991, so you are here and “fragrant” like a bunch of famous substance BUT this is only for now. I believe that the time will come and the people, as it once was, will chase you and those like you with a filthy broom from Russia, but for now, frolic. While the wind is without stones ... laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 19 January 2018 09: 33
            +2
            Whose is yours? 1991 - came and was actively introduced into the brain: "And why didn’t they stop at the February revolution?"

            And is there really no difference between imperial thinking and liberal thinking, giving away everything and everything.
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 09: 35
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Only in your inflamed mind, no more.

            That is, you think that the Russian people could not come to an agreement? This is your thought that gives away to racism and Russophobia in the style of "genossa" Himmler.

            Quote: Varyag_0711
            About the Brest Peace, so again this must be said thanks first to your nonsense Tsar Nikolashka,.

            Are you serious? Or just pretend to be so ... alternatively gifted? The All-Russian Emperor Nicholas II, having taken command of the army, stopped the German advance (Vilna-Molodetskaya operation), created the conditions for the victorious Lutsk breakthrough, the Trebizond operation, the defeat of the Turks in the Caucasus and northern Mesopotamia. The emperor is connected with the Brest disgrace? Under that document are the signatures of the Bolshevik usurpers, not Nicholas II.
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            to the little generals with an officer, who unleashed a civil massacre.

            Is it you who so “respectfully” speaks of about the Russian people who defended Russia for 4 years against German aggression? You can immediately see the big "patriot" ... And the officer organization of Alekseev would not have appeared without the Bolsheviks seizing power. Understand, finally, the White movement is the immune response of society to the usurpation of power by Bolshevik terrorists. The Bolsheviks and only the Bolsheviks began the Civil War, ignoring the will of the people.
            And about 1991 ... Better be silent. Whole nation he was silent in December 1991. He watched as the country was pulled apart and was silent. Silent of the CPSU. The KGB was silent. The Komsomol was silent. The Army was silent. Everyone sat exactly at the fifth point and were silent. Here is the price of the entire Soviet system and Soviet statehood, coupled with society. When it was unlawful and against the will of the people, expressed in a referendum, the Soviet Union was divided, Soviet society sat smoothly. When in 1917 the Bolsheviks seized power against the will of the people, then Russian society fought for another 4 years for their country with weapons in their hands.
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 January 2018 10: 20
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            About the Brest Peace, so again this must be said thanks first to your nonsense tsar Nikolashka, and then to the even more idiotic Kerensky, and even to your little bit generals with an officer who unleashed the civil massacre

            So they would deal with war and peace. SAMI and without you. You, who spent the whole war in Switzerland, how sideways to Russia and the war with the world? fool NOBODY instructed you anything!
            Pictured: both top leaders of the Bolsheviks on Brest betrayal. Two "workers and peasants" lol (they are two millionaires), two RUSSIAN lol Communist
            not a day, who have never worked before, who have not fought, hid abroad ADOLF JOFFE and LEIBA BRONSTEIN. Traitors to the feat and memory of millions of Russian soldiers
            PS A "tired" sailor Zheleznyak very soon put to rest, forever. What I wanted, I got it. Share.
            PS 2 Adolfik EVERY YEAR ESTONIAN embassy arranges commemoration for the grave - thanks from Estonia for the Russian lands donated to Estonia and Russian gold. This is a small separate "Brest" Such is the "best Estonian"
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 19 January 2018 16: 32
              +6
              I see that you SPECIALLY pretend that you don’t understand that the Brest peace was necessary for Russia as air. You are so blind in your hatred of communism that you would approve of the occupation of Russia by Germany, but not absolutely necessary peace with Germany. Lenin's genius was that he foresaw that in a short time the German Empire would capitulate to the Entente and Russia would be able to denounce the Brest Peace without threats to itself.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 January 2018 08: 01
                +5
                Quote: Seeker
                I see that you SPECIALLY pretend that you do not understand that the Brest peace was necessary for Russia as air.

                This usurper was necessary for the Bolsheviks, like air, Russia doesn’t
                Quote: Seeker
                You are so blind in your hatred of communism. That would approve the occupation of Russia by Germany

                What an occupation, dear man ?! The Germans There were no forces for the occupation of Russia, and even with the slightest resistance, which was still there. But the Leninists had to concentrate on the CIVIL massacre with their fellow citizens.
                The Germans already took everything that was enough strength. And this required half a million soldiers, which predetermined their imminent defeat in the West.
                Quote: Seeker
                Lenin's genius was that he foresaw that in a short time the German Empire would surrender to the Entente and Russia would be able to denounce the Brest Peace without threats to itself.

                Are you out of your mind? The defeat of Germany with the entry of the United States into the war in April was clear to any tanner, even Lenin. lol .
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 21 January 2018 00: 53
                  +3
                  Therefore, he was afraid that the revolutionary situation would pass.
                  "Your talk is not needed by the working people. The guard is tired!"

                  how could their chatter tire you? there was no television then, they would go again to rob wine shops as in February.
          4. Sergey Medvedev
            Sergey Medvedev 20 January 2018 00: 33
            +2
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Let's just say in 1991 yours took

            No, it’s just yours who continued the new stage of the destruction of Russia in 1991. Again, the Communists (Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich) reduced our country. You still can’t calm down, put forward Grudinin - an oligarch of the state farm scale and a chameleon that rushes between different parties. In all Soviet history, there was only one ray of light in the dark kingdom - Stalin. So he shot and transplanted all “faithful Leninists”. First, the congress, then smaller ghouls. And so it is necessary to treat you - in Stalinist style!
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 19 January 2018 13: 46
          +7
          smile Interestingly, a picture from a presentation on History (9cl.) Or, as usual with https://blogs.korrespondent.net/blog/events/38014
          04 /?
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 16: 45
            +4
            In other words, do you agree with the data in the infographic?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 19 January 2018 16: 48
              +7
              The original answer to the question. Are you not Rabinovich from a joke for an hour?
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 19 January 2018 18: 58
                12
                avva2012

                Good evening buddy! hi I want to talk with you on a medical topic. I probably noticed that when discussing an article where the Socialist-Revolutionary Socialist Revolutionaries kill the Tsar’s official, some of the members of the forum have words of hatred towards the killers, while discussing an article about the February Revolution, they call anyone guilty, but only Socialist-Revolutionaries and the Russian bourgeoisie with the generals. And when discussing this article, they breastfeed for the party of those who killed the tsarist officials, those who accepted the abdication of the tsar. You certainly remember from the course of history that it was not Leni who accepted the abdication with Trotsky, and Kotovsky didn’t arrest the tsarina. On the one hand, we lost the tears about Russia, on the other hand, the fierce protection of those who staged it in February .. The Bolsheviks are cursed for the Brest Peace, but they stubbornly hush up a similar peace made earlier, which was not legitimate on that moment the Ukrainian Central Rada, thanks to which the occupation of Little Russian lands by German troops began ... They admire the White movement, which allegedly wanted to fight the Germans and were silent about the German support of Ataman Krasnov .. But what Krasnov .. In May-June 1918 The Taman Peninsula, in my area there was a Taman Cossack uprising, the main reason for the division of the land .. Soviet troops almost coped with the uprising, but the rebels turned for help to the German troops who were in the Crimea, even swore allegiance to the Kaiser and the Germans occupied the Taman Peninsula. went to Gelendzhik, where did the campaign of the Red Taman Army begin ... This is what A.I. Denikin mentions in his memoirs ... Some kind of conflict between the right and left hemispheres ... don’t you find? ...
                1. chenia
                  chenia 19 January 2018 19: 49
                  +4
                  Quote: parusnik
                  Some kind of conflict between the right and left hemisphere .. don’t you find? ...


                  Mimicry of liberoids. They understand that in their pure form they will not be accepted here without bullying and contempt. So they are dressed up as monarchists, or in extreme cases, cadets. And the courtyards cry for a gentle, but firm master's hand.
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 19 January 2018 19: 51
                    +3
                    It's easier ... garbage, does not like the "scoop", the Nazi Communists ...
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 19 January 2018 20: 05
                  +2
                  Thank you Alex for the "buddy", maybe it's really not in vain that I’m smoking the sky. I think this is not a medical matter, even with the brain, all this is connected. There is a formal logic, but there is a curve. With formal logic, like or dislike the result, it is accepted. With a curve, the result is known immediately, and all the rest of the work is needed in order to fit the reasoning to it. And that’s all. Have you read? "I can understand people ... destroy at any cost and by any means." This is it about the fact that any betrayal, any crime can be justified, if only the final answer came up, "communism is evil." You, here ask him, and so what? Think honestly answer? Yes, he forgot what it is. He sneezed at the logic from the high bell tower. There is only one problem, objective reality. Well, he doesn’t live in Ukraine today, where the inconsistencies were removed with "that it was not Lenin and Trotsky who accepted the abdication, but Kotovsky did not arrest the tsarina." Yes, and in it, he would not want to live, but in another country where the same story is with History, but they do not take it there and you have to live here. This is bad luck. As, you understand, this is a common example for those with a curve on "you". And you won’t do anything. The Bolsheviks had nowhere to put any money, to arrange “philosophical steamboats”, but where are you and me? Yes, and they are undergrown even before the ship.
        3. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 19 January 2018 15: 13
          +1
          A solution to the question of the state system is impossible under the conditions of lawlessness, the absence of all-Russian power and the occupation of a significant part of the country. Moreover, it is impossible to resolve this issue by those who, just six months before, were engaged in terrorism and robbery, organized sabotage at defense enterprises and incited soldiers to betrayal.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 January 2018 09: 22
        10
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Only the full one can argue that at that time the CSS could have really changed anything in Russia, which is rapidly falling apart. Regular talkers who simply seized power, while they can do nothing but tear their throats at rallies.

        Only full " lol "Varangian" may argue that the so-called "saved" the country "Soviet commissars" is a bunch of parasites who have never worked, NEVER worked for ANYBODY, didn’t manage anything or anyone in life, without knowledge and experience, living abroad half their lives ("Mom, COME MONEY! "- wrote already bald Ilych to a retired mother from Paris). So they broke
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Russia had to be saved, drastically and cruelly, and in some places cruel which the Bolsheviks did with success.

        How do people who know nothing work? Right, the most primitive and affordable methods. And it was always :. violence and robbery — on other methods, no brains, no skills, no experience — simply did not exist. Ilic: "EXPERIENCE is interesting to participate in!" . "Lab assistant, understand ...
        Simple question:
        Do you entrust the courtyard toilet to the elderly talkers who have never built it? No, of course, but you entrusted the state to them! fool lol
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Again, for those especially "gifted", not burdened by knowledge of history. The bourgeoisie and the white officers unleashed a civil war in order to maintain their dominant position over the oppressed people.

        You never answer a simple question: WHY did people have to recognize those whom they did not choose, reject, and simply, often, didn’t know?
        You Bulk-admit in the same situation?
      3. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 09: 30
        +5
        Give debelism

        Paste "emoticons" into your messages on business and without work - this is a sign of superintelligence, yes. In combination with insults of the opponent gives +100500 persuasiveness of arguments.
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 19 January 2018 10: 34
          +8
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Paste "emoticons" into your messages on business and without work - this is a sign of superintelligence, yes. In combination with insults of the opponent gives +100500 persuasiveness of arguments.

          Are you talking about Olgovich?
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 10: 41
            +6
            About Varyag, whose communication style with opponents is very further from being polite, but full of mockery and attempts to provoke the opponent to retaliate insults.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 19 January 2018 19: 02
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              About Varyag ... etc.

              Well ... An uncontrolled smile-eruption, senseless and merciless is Olgovich's characteristic style. So I thought ... Although, to be completely objective, he, apparently, nevertheless heeded the criticism, and corrected a few (very slightly).
      4. captain
        captain 19 January 2018 22: 45
        +2
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Olgovich Today, 06: 24 New
        The dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is a crime against the Russian state and the Russian people, which led to a civil massacre.
        Well, everything, the carcasses of the light, Olgovich sat on his favorite skate. Give debelism fool to the masses ...
        Only full fool may argue that at that time, the CSS could have really changed anything in Russia, which is rapidly falling apart. Regular talkers who simply seized power, while they can do nothing but tear their throats at rallies.
        Russia had to be saved, radically and cruelly, and in places and cruelly, which the Bolsheviks did with success.

        Again for especially fool "gifted", not burdened by knowledge of history. The bourgeoisie and the white officers unleashed a civil war in order to maintain their dominant position over the oppressed people. The rest is FALSE and provocation!

        P.S. And let it be ... laughing laughing laughing

        Thanks to the Bolsheviks for saving Russia. Look at the map of modern Russia and say; where did the lands and people divide over the 75 years of Bolshevik rule?
    5. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 19 January 2018 09: 02
      +4
      The founders would lead Russia into the same abyss. Kolchak did absolutely right, strangling KOMUCH.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 19 January 2018 09: 31
        +9
        It is amazing how today they heroize those who carried out a coup d'etat during the war. Even the tsar, who was sworn in, did not hesitate to blackmail his family at the request of renunciation, today they try to present them as heroes. And today there are cranks with the letter M that talk about eligibility and other things that are connected with the legality of the Constituent Assembly. Which was only supposed to confirm the temporary workers in power and approve the dismemberment of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Temporary by this time had already managed to approve laws on * self-determination * of national suburbs and on zones of occupation by the Entente countries.
        And also about the victims of the Civil War, which was unleashed by the former and their foreign curators. Take an interest in how many RUSSIAN families managed to escape to different countries, including Persia and Turkey from the beginning of the twentieth century until 1905.
    6. brn521
      brn521 19 January 2018 11: 59
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      And the people said their word

      The people do not decide anything. Organizations decide. And then, and now.
      Quote: Olgovich
      The chance was lost peacefully, in the conference room, and not on the battlefields, to solve the problems of Russia.

      Oh well. For example, to force peasants to peacefully part with real bread in exchange for pieces of paper. Make the workers work peacefully without even providing bread. And especially stupid is the attempt to force the military to keep the front, when they already felt a taste of anarchy and looting. In such situations, only a dictatorship is capable of something. What was clearly demonstrated by all parties involved in the Civil War.
      Quote: Olgovich
      the Bolsheviks arrested elected representatives, despite parliamentary immunity, banned the Cadets, killed them, beaten, shot huge demonstrations in support of the Assembly by forces of Latvian Russophobes-showed their true face - dictatorships, lies and hypocrisy.

      And where have the people been all this time? The one who supposedly has some kind of will.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 13: 01
        +4
        And where have the people been all this time? The one who supposedly has some kind of will.

        went to a demonstration in defense of democracy. She was shot by order of Ulyanov by Latvian Rusorez.
        1. brn521
          brn521 19 January 2018 13: 57
          +3
          Quote: Dzmicer
          went on a demonstration in defense of democracy

          Those. a handful of demonstrators. Where did the rest go? Which supposedly almost the entire Russian people?
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 19 January 2018 14: 02
            +4
            100 thousand people - a handful? Oh well.
            Of which 3-4 thousand could not be dispersed even by shooting. This, you know, is a lot for the Russian people, poor in emotions and taking care of internal energy.
            Plus, the Socialist-Revolutionary candidate is a peasant, he is attached to his village and his land. While the Bolsheviks were cities with workers (who did not want to work) and soldiers (who did not want to go to the front).
            1. brn521
              brn521 19 January 2018 18: 05
              +3
              Quote: Dzmicer
              100 thousand people - a handful?

              100 thousand are passersby and onlookers.
              Quote: Dzmicer
              Of which 3-4 thousand could not be dispersed even by shooting.

              But this is the very people who really supported the constituent assembly.
              Quote: Dzmicer
              Plus Socialist-Revolutionary Voter - Peasant

              What Social Revolutionaries? The Social Revolutionaries have not decided whether they are right, or left, or for the power of the Soviets and with the Bolsheviks shoulder to shoulder, or even for a free Ukraine. In fact, it was not a party, but a set of letters in the ballot.
              Quote: Dzmicer
              he is attached to his village and his land

              In the same way as a worker to his city, and a military man to his army unit. Well, if there had been a real choice, the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly would have yielded nothing. A people thirsting for justice would immediately create a new one, and revolutionary Petrograd and Moscow would die of hunger. But there was a banal herd vote when the peasants, not cutting what was happening, almost threw a coin, for whom to vote.
              These were the most liberal democratic elections. Anyone could vote, regardless of their competence. This is some kind of laughter, an illiterate peasant woman must determine the future power and political system of the whole country. And such peasant women are half the country. This is a clowning of pure water. A high turnout as much as 50% is determined only by the effect of novelty. In fact, if the selected clown is killed, no one will cry for him, because there are still such a brood, at least take a look. And so it happened. The Socialist-Revolutionaries either changed their orientation or fled. They did not receive real popular support.
            2. Hantengri
              Hantengri 19 January 2018 19: 52
              +3
              Quote: Dzmicer
              While the Bolsheviks were cities with workers (who did not want to work) and soldiers (who did not want to go to the front).

              You're right. They didn’t want to. You, now, have a little left - to explain why.
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri 19 January 2018 19: 41
          +3
          Quote: Dzmicer
          went to a demonstration in defense of democracy.

          Those. it’s not the right Socialist-Revolutionaries, they took to the streets those units of “soldiers (who didn’t want to go to the front)” (c) and those “workers (who didn’t want to work)” (c) who supported them, right-wing Socialist Revolutionaries, "workers (who did not want to work)" (c) and "soldiers (who did not want to go to the front)" (c) who were for the left Socialist-Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks, on the orders of the latter? No? Maybe then enlighten us, Sirs, what such a spherical (apolitical, by no means organized) people, in a vacuum rushed to the streets to protest against the dispersal of the founder? Here, simply, he picked it up and put it out, with a weapon! lol Without an ensemble !: Himself ... la, one, ... la! laughing
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 January 2018 13: 14
        +5
        Quote: brn521
        Oh well. For example, to force peasants to peacefully part with real bread in exchange for pieces of paper. Make the workers work peacefully without even providing bread.

        Russia is the only European country in the WWII that has not experienced hunger. Germany-800 starvation.
        Quote: brn521
        in such situations only a dictatorship is capable of something. What was clearly demonstrated by all parties involved in the Civil War.

        CSS should have formed EXECUTIVE power in the country, recognized by all
        1. brn521
          brn521 19 January 2018 14: 18
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          CSS should have formed EXECUTIVE power in the country, recognized by all

          He would have some chance if he was supported by some dictator at the head of a well-organized and armed group. So I imagine Napoleon, who declares a referendum in order to find out from the people whom he, Napoleon should take for himself as a general, and who does not. Napoleon clearly showed that he was thinking about such ideas even when he dispersed the rioting Parisians with buckshot. And this did not prevent him from becoming the greatest historical figure and national French hero.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Russia is the only European country in the WWII that has not experienced hunger.

          It's about exchanging bread for unsecured pieces of paper. When a peasant was forcibly forced to hand over crops at prices well below market prices. Well, yes, there wasn’t hunger. Therefore, even the tsarist government was forced to take such measures. To feed the army, and industry, and export more than usual.
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri 19 January 2018 19: 48
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          The CSS should have formed EXECUTIVE power in the country, recognized by all
          And if you say "Halvah" a thousand times, then in your mouth it will probably become sweet! lol
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 January 2018 09: 14
            +2
            Quote: HanTengri
            Quote: Olgovich
            The CSS should have formed EXECUTIVE power in the country, recognized by all
            And if you say "Halvah" a thousand times, then in your mouth it will probably become sweet! lol

            Leave me alone, man! How many times do you need to send so that you stop impose? belay request
            I open the "notification", and there, instead of the interlocutor ... fi! . Press the "quote" button so that I do not "see" you, and practice.
  2. Naputeon bonaput
    Naputeon bonaput 19 January 2018 06: 49
    +9
    Professional revolutionaries and extremists came to power, many had several years of imprisonment in Russian and European prisons. What creative business could they start?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 19 January 2018 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: Naputeon Bonaput
      Professional revolutionaries and extremists came to power, many had several years of imprisonment in Russian and European prisons. What creative business could they start?


      Kohl Machiavelli expressed this approximately as those who have the qualities required in order to take power do not have the qualities required in order to be a good ruler. and vice versa.
      here is the paradox of power in 20 words
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 19 January 2018 07: 29
    +8
    Nothing prevented the Provisional Government, after the overthrow of the king, to hold elections to the Constituent Assembly and form a government, but the Februaryists dragged on the elections ... and such a government, it was much more difficult for the Bolsheviks to overthrow ... History shows that dual power does not bring to good .. .
  4. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 07: 32
    13
    Article — fat minus for trying to justify the anti-people coup of the Bolsheviks and the criminal dispersal of the chosen the people of Russia representative body — Constituent Assembly. The meeting was not “speaking”, but a body quite adequate to the current situation, designed to resolve the contradictions that had accumulated in society in 1917 in a peaceful, bloodless way. Especially disgusting is the attempt to call Bolshevism the salvation of Russian statehood. The Bolsheviks, who abolished Russian legislation, the legislative, judicial, and law enforcement systems, feverishly recognized various separatist governments, can only be recognized as "saviors" of Russian statehood in feverish delirium.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 January 2018 07: 47
      +9
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      The meeting was not “speaking”, but a body quite adequate to the situation that was called upon to resolve the contradictions that had accumulated in society in 1917 in a peaceful, bloodless way.

      With what it did not cope successfully. The article is a huge plus!
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 08: 17
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        With what it did not cope successfully.

        Due to the fact that it was subjected to an armed attack by Bolshevik terrorists. What do you support forcible dispersal of a popularly elected representative body? Maybe then approve the shooting of the White House in 1993?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 January 2018 08: 56
          +9
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          What do you support forcible dispersal of a popularly elected representative body?

          With pleasure I would have dispersed the current one about the bourgeois Duma.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Maybe then approve the shooting of the White House in 1993?

          But FIG was not to separate from the republics and destroy the USSR against the will of the people.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 09: 21
            +8
            Quote: Boris55
            With pleasure I would have dispersed the current one about the bourgeois Duma.

            Yes you, my friend, a ready extremist. Your quote, when implementing actions, is the complete composition of Art. 278 of the Criminal Code, and without that - Art. 280.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 January 2018 09: 47
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Yes you, my friend, a ready extremist. Your quote, when implementing actions, is the complete composition of Art. 278 of the Criminal Code, and without that - Art. 280.

              If you are satisfied with the current state of affairs in Russia, then I am not there and I do not care about your horror stories.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 10: 30
                +6
                I am not happy that in Russia, which has suffered two geopolitical disasters twice in the 20 century, there are again people who are calling for violence and judicial reprisals.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 January 2018 10: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  I am not happy that in Russia, which has suffered two geopolitical disasters twice in the 20 century, there are again people who are calling for violence and judicial reprisals.

                  No, well, to disperse the Duma - I am for it, but what makes you think that I am calling for reckless reprisals? And by the way - I'm against all revolutions.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 00
                    +5
                    “To disperse the Duma” is just the same illegal act. The State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation can be dissolved, and that, only on the grounds provided for by the Constitution. Everything else is an encroachment on the constitutional system of Russia, which in essence is a revolutionary act.
                2. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 10: 44
                  15
                  Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:30 ↑
                  I am not happy that in Russia, which has suffered two geopolitical disasters twice in the 20 century, there are again people who are calling for violence and judicial reprisals.
                  But I am not happy with the presence in Russia of you and your kind. For you, the aspen stake has been crying for a long time ...
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 04
                    +4
                    Oh, and here the supporter of the judicial reprisals showed himself. Good gentleman, I am a Russian man, in spirit and in blood. Flesh from the flesh of its people. And so your words
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    [And I am not happy with the presence in Russia of you and your kind. For you, the aspen stake has been crying for a long time ...
                    they give you a Russophobe worse than Himmler and Brzezinski ...
                    1. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 11: 12
                      16
                      Lieutenant Teterin Today, 11:04 ↑
                      Good gentleman, I am a Russian man, in spirit and in blood
                      Firstly, not a gentleman, but a comrade. Although I’m definitely not your friend. Tambov Wolf is your friend.
                      Secondly, I do not care deeply who you think you are there. You personally have nothing to do with the Russian people, if only because the Russian people do not accept the monarchists in any way. We don’t have enough of the yoke on the neck that saddled this same people after 1991, so you and your monarchists are also trying to get in there. But to hell with you ... angry
                      they give you a Russophobe worse than Himmler and Brzezinski ...

                      Well, you cunning people
                      Already take a dope
                      He thinks of every other as a lesson.
                      Despite the fact that urod himself ... belay tongue laughing
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 35
                        +4
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        Although I’m definitely not your friend.

                        It's right. According to the rules of the Russian language, the word "comrade" is applicable only to a close friend or a reliable ally. You do not fall into either the first or second category, so I am officially contacting you. And “master”, “mistress” are the messages generally accepted in modern Russian. Regardless of your addictions.
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        . You personally have no relation to the Russian people, if only because the Russian people do not accept the monarchists in any way

                        Your words perfectly show that you are not familiar with the modern Russia and the Russian people from the word “completely”. Go to any social network and see how many people there have indicated their political views as monarchist and conservative. Exhale. Scream out. Wipe the tears of despair. Look again at the number of monarchists and conservatives and finally realize that modern Russians are not only not alien to monarchist ideas, but also quite loyal to them. So whether you want it or not, but I'm Russian. And I'm not alone among the people — there are many of my like-minded people. But we, unlike the Reds, do not strive for mass reprisals or violence, on the contrary, we believe that the transition of Russia to a monarchical form of government is possible only in a constitutional, evolutionary way on the basis of a nationwide dialogue. Unlike.
                        And your words only betray you as an extremist-Russophobe. However, one cannot expect anything else from a person of red views.
                3. MrK
                  MrK 19 January 2018 20: 08
                  +5
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  I am not happy that in Russia, which has suffered two geopolitical disasters twice in the 20 century, there are again people who are calling for violence and judicial reprisals.


                  It is not the agitation of the SRs and the Bolsheviks, and not the German (English) money that lead the people to revolutions. A three-throat-eating country leads to revolutions and, cf ... I'm in five gold toilets, power elite at that time. So don’t aimlessly criticize a colleague of Boris55.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 January 2018 11: 56
                +6
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Yes you, my friend, a ready extremist. Your quote, when implementing actions, is the complete composition of Art. 278 of the Criminal Code, and without that - Art. 280.

                If you are satisfied with the current state of affairs in Russia, then I am not there and I do not care about your horror stories.

                YOU-who and what gave the right to speak on behalf of the nation?
                Nothing and nothing.
        2. brn521
          brn521 19 January 2018 12: 28
          +6
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          violent dispersal of a popularly elected representative body

          That is the point. The representative body, which can be so easily dispersed, is actually not representative. Or it does not represent the people, but some sheep, who in principle do not understand anything in public administration and are not ready to answer for their choice.
          1. MrK
            MrK 19 January 2018 20: 12
            +5
            Quote: brn521
            Quote: That's the point. The representative body, which can be so easily dispersed, is actually not representative.


            I agree. From the book of A. Kurlandchik “Damned” Soviet power. On Prose.Ru.
            “... Shots are thundered and Socialist-Revolutionary bombs are torn. The sad list is long: the Ministers of the Interior Sipyagin and Pleve, the Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, the Minister of Education Bogolepov. And besides them - 33 governor, governor-general and vice-governor, 16 mayors, heads of security departments, police chiefs, prosecutors, assistant prosecutors, heads of detective departments, 24 heads of prisons, prison departments, precinct and prison guards, 26 their assistants, 7 generals and admirals, 15 colonels, 68 sworn attorneys, 26 security department agents. And besides, several hundred simpler people - city people, soldiers, and just those who accidentally ended up in the wrong place and at the wrong time. This is all - the Social Revolutionaries, who received almost the majority in the CSS. In the first six months of 1906 alone, 499 people were killed by social revolutionaries. And neither Poruchik nor Olgovich even dawned on these killers.
      2. Prometey
        Prometey 19 January 2018 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        With what it did not cope successfully. The article is a huge plus!

        And how would it cope if he wasn’t even given a chance?
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 January 2018 07: 54
      +9
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      criminal dispersal of a representative body elected by the people of Russia — the Constituent Assembly.

      History said it — it was a CRIME against the Russian people.
    3. Curious
      Curious 19 January 2018 08: 29
      +8
      Lieutenant! Personally for you. Follow the link http://rusplt.ru/ww1/chronicle/karaul-ustal-15863
      .html There is exactly the same article, only it does not have a mantra about the superethnos and the first paragraph, where the Bolsheviks are credited with saving the state, is replaced by a paragraph where it says that the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly was a tragedy for Russia.
      And then all word for word. Even the photos are the same. Very similar to copy-paste from Wikipedia. Give the author a bold plus and express gratitude for the work done. Maybe even the same author. Imagine what a sur.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 08: 51
        +2
        Hello Curious! I would read the material with interest on your link, but, unfortunately, it does not open. The site gives "the requested page was not found."
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 January 2018 09: 02
          +3
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          I would read the material with interest on your link, but, unfortunately, it does not open.

          It opens for me. Maybe you didn’t copy the entire link or with an extra sign? Try on this and the standard Windows browser:
          rusplt.ru/ww1/chronicle/karaul-ustal-15863.html
        2. Curious
          Curious 19 January 2018 09: 25
          +3
          Strange, my guard is tired. - Russian planet
          rusplt.ru ›chronicle› karaul-ustal-15863 Try this.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 10: 32
            +4
            Thanks for the link, this time it turned out to pass. The article is interesting, and it seems that it was actively used by the author, who simply added his pro-Bolshevik passages to the text.
    4. Nehist
      Nehist 19 January 2018 11: 14
      +4
      Lieutenant, in the first place, as many here mistakenly write and deflect, the Bolsheviks dispersed it. And the anarchists to whom belonged to Zheleznyakov and his comrades in the 2Flot crew. I hope who these anarchists are and what goals they set for themselves do not need to be explained to you ?! And the Bolsheviks, especially Lenin, were against the dispersal of the assembly. This is purely an initiative of Zheleznyakov and his team.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 47
        +5
        Oh really? And Commissioner Dybenko, who ordered Zheleznyak, “I cancel the order of Lenin. Overclock the constituent, and tomorrow we'll figure it out ”is also an anarchist? And those who arrested Shingarev and Kokoshin, too? And also the anarchists who shot the popular demonstration in support of the US?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 19 January 2018 12: 59
          +3
          Dybenko from the same 2flotsky crew as Zheleznyakov. So what kind of Bolsheviks are there generally known, or do you recall how he ended his life?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 19 January 2018 15: 26
          +2
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          And those who arrested Shingarev and Kokoshin, too?

          Read about the arrests of people elected by the people of the deputies of the Constitutional Assembly before the Constitutional Assembly: November 28-Kokoshkin, Dolgorukov. On January 4, they were arrested. On January 4, 1918, the Bolsheviks arrested the most famous people throughout Russia, deputies of the Constituent Assembly: 4 cadets - F.F. Kokoshkin, N.N. Kutler, A.I. Konovalov, P.D. Dolgorukov; 4 Social Revolutionaries - N.D. Avksentiev, A.I. Gukovsky, P.A. Sorokin. How many less well-known deputies were arrested is unknown, apparently, destroyed ... Dozens were arrested on January 6. The fate of many, unknown, disappeared after the arrest. Https: //historical-fact.livejournal.com/56
          632.html,
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 19 January 2018 22: 11
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            How many less well-known deputies were arrested is unknown, apparently, destroyed ... Dozens were arrested on January 6. The fate of many-unknown-disappeared after the arrest

            Have you ever come across material about what Kolchak did with the members of KOMUCH — former members of the Constituent Assembly in December 1918? There is evidence that some were shot, others were cut with sabers. Even bourgeois Wikipedia writes about this.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 January 2018 09: 20
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Have you ever come across material about what Kolchak did with the members of KOMUCH — former members of the Constituent Assembly in December 1918?

              Did nothing if you are not in the know.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 20 January 2018 19: 21
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Did nothing if you are not in the know.

                He arrested them all, and then they were shot.
          2. Hantengri
            Hantengri 19 January 2018 23: 38
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            On January 4, 1918, the Bolsheviks arrested the most famous people across the whole of Russia, the deputies of the Constituent Assembly: 4 cadets - F.F. Kokoshkin, N.N. Kutler, A.I. Konovalov, P.D. Dolgorukov;

            And all, of course, NOT FOR ANYTHING! laughing Can you tell me what happened on January 1, 1918? I’ll hint “subtly”: Dmitry Ivanovich Shakhovskoy ... Cadet Nekrasov ... Not in the know, no?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 January 2018 09: 21
              +2
              Quote: HanTengri
              Quote: Olgovich
              On January 4, 1918, the Bolsheviks arrested the most famous people across the whole of Russia, the deputies of the Constituent Assembly: 4 cadets - F.F. Kokoshkin, N.N. Kutler, A.I. Konovalov, P.D. Dolgorukov;

              And all, of course, NOT FOR ANYTHING! laughing Can you tell me what happened on January 1, 1918? I’ll hint “subtly”: Dmitry Ivanovich Shakhovskoy ... Cadet Nekrasov ... Not in the know, no?

              Leave them alone! hi
    5. Looking for
      Looking for 19 January 2018 16: 42
      +5
      Where do you come from? The Soviet government gave birth to you, educated you, educated you, you work. And you crap and crap, hiding behind the people. There would be an opportunity. It would destroy you without pity.
      1. brn521
        brn521 19 January 2018 18: 21
        +1
        Quote: Seeker
        Where do you come from?

        So the Soviet government is the same. She gave birth, raised, educated. Taught how to properly review your story. How to mock her. How to overestimate moral values ​​and spit on ancestors from the rostrum, built from the Marxist-Leninist Talmuds. Taught genuine hypocrisy. When it is said as it is right, but done as it should. She taught that reporting is above real results. Neither children's clubs, nor demonstrations on the Red Square, nor an article in the newspaper Pravda, nor memorization of the history of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks will help with this approach.
      2. MrK
        MrK 19 January 2018 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: Seeker
        Where do you come from?

        Stalin simply did not live.
  5. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 19 January 2018 08: 43
    +5
    100 years ago, in the second half of January 1918, the Bolsheviks forcibly dispersed the Constituent Assembly. The decision was right: another “talking room” gathered, which could not change anything. Russia and Russian civilization, which had been condemned by the West to partition and murder, had to be resolutely and toughly rescued, the time for talk was over.

    WBC Rescuers: 12 million casualties during the Civil War years. This is more than the entire population of Finland. It’s still darker, given the fact that the victims of the Red Terror massacre were people who were most valuable to the nation in terms of human capital, the most cultural, educated and intellectually developed. With the hands of the mob propagated by foreigners and spies, the Russian people chopped off their own heads, having given themselves to rampant robbery and robbery.
    The simple thought “what can the new government do with a simple person if it kills generals and grand dukes like dogs, takes property from the powerful of this world” - it never occurred to anyone. They found out in the 30s when the world's first state of workers and peasants of these same peasants deprived of ownership of the land for which they paid generations of redemption payments, turned into slaves and levied taxes and levies, which the Russian land had not seen, but it was too late to resist because those who could lead and coordinate the uprising have already been killed / driven out of the country earlier.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 January 2018 09: 28
      +3
      Quote: Dzmicer
      12 million casualties during the years of the civil war.

      Thanks to the Bolsheviks, the genocide of the Russian people was stopped.
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        1. onix757
          onix757 19 January 2018 09: 42
          11
          And after all, what a tricky thing, after all these billions of "killed" by the Bolsheviks, the country's population was only growing.
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 19 January 2018 09: 55
            +4
            Everything is relative.
            The population of the Republic of Ingushetia at the beginning of the twentieth century is 174 people. The population of the CIS at the beginning of the XXI century is 099 million. An increase of 600%.
            The population of the United States at the beginning of the twentieth century is 70 million people. The population of the United States at the beginning of the XXI century is 280 million people. Growth - 400%.
            1. alstr
              alstr 19 January 2018 10: 57
              +8
              Well. again 25. It is necessary to compare correctly.
              USSR in 1991 (December), i.e. before the advent of democracy - 294 million. USA in 1990 - 248 million.
              And then even more interesting - Post-Soviet space in 2002 - 287 million. USA - 2000 - 281 million.
              Post of the USSR - 2012 - 291 million, USA 2010 - 308 million.

              for comparison, the USSR in 1920 - 137 million. USA - 106. that is, the growth of the USSR - 2,14, and the USA - 2,33 times. Comparable. At the same time, we do not forget all the cataclysms of our history. One WWII is enough to block the US figure.

              Conclusion: looking at the numbers, we can see that the number of the USSR and the number of the USA grew identically until the beginning of the 90s. This was followed by an explosive increase in the US population, and a sharp decline in the post of the USSR.

              And both facts are easily explained. Well, from the post of the USSR it’s clear why (thanks to our democrats).
              And the USA is also simple - they have become a leader and everyone has become eager to get there, especially from poor countries.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 19 January 2018 11: 22
                +4

                Judge for yourself: there is no growth in Russia. Half a century trampled on the spot, because the red power burned the Russian people and their potential in the furnace of the world revolution as if it were an endless resource.
                And both facts are easily explained. Well, from the post of the USSR it’s clear why (thanks to our democrats).

                Here are just the "democrats" these are every first or a member of the CPSU or a KGB worker, and through one the descendants of the Rusorez commissars.
                The genocide of the Russian people of the 90s is a continuation of the permanent genocide of Russians by the Soviet government in the XNUMXth century.
                1. alstr
                  alstr 19 January 2018 12: 09
                  +5
                  Do you distinguish Russia and the USSR by territory?
                  If specifically about Russia, then the number in 1926 is 100 million, in 1993 - 148,5 million, in 2009 - 142 million, 2017 - 147 million.

                  So draw conclusions. At the same time, the population of Russia grew steadily from 1926 to 1994 with the exception of the Second World War (well, I hope I understand why).
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 January 2018 12: 24
                +3
                Quote: alstr
                Well, from the post of the USSR it is clear why (thanks to our democrats).

                Russian Cross is an unfamiliar concept for you? This is the year 1992 and have been going to it since the 1930s.
                The extinction of Russians since 1964: http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/tema02.p
                hp.
                If you start about urbanization, then urbanization in Europe at a population density 263 h / km2 back at the beginning of the century, this is one thing, but in the USSR at a density 8,5 h / km2 is another. These are undeveloped vast territories of the country with an endangered population.
                PS under Nicholas the country's population increased over 22 years one and a half times- from 120 to 180 million. Look, at what pennies it increased over the next 22 years.
                This is a catastrophe....
                1. alstr
                  alstr 19 January 2018 13: 34
                  +5
                  About 8,5 people - everything is correct, but just do not forget that 60-65% of today's Russia is permafrost, i.e. the territory is not suitable for agricultural production at least and normal economic activity in general.
                  So, if you look at the distribution of population density with a map of the distribution of permafrost, then we get a not bad such dependence of density on the presence of permafrost.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 20 January 2018 12: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: alstr
                    About 8,5 people - everything is correct, but just do not forget that 60-65% of today's Russia is permafrost, i.e. the territory is not suitable for agricultural production at least and normal economic activity in general.
                    So, if you look at the distribution of population density with a map of the distribution of permafrost, then we get a not bad such dependence of density on the presence of permafrost.

                    For a long time, everything has been calculated: 25 people / km2 in the European part — and this is a Trivia compared to the density in Europe and Asia — among our neighbors.
                    And without the party's "leading" hand, it would grow both in breadth (rural development of Siberia) and inland (urbanization). But....
                2. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 19 January 2018 23: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Substation under Nikolay, the country's population over 22 years has increased one and a half times, from 120 to 180 million.

                  For what reason do not tell? (This is mainly a rural population, isn't it?) And what are the consequences of this?
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 19 January 2018 10: 07
          +4
          Shit went to the fan ...
          1 February 1954 city
          To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.

          In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.

          Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.

          ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of November 5, 1934, the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1, 1953, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to deprivation freedom - 360.921 people, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 people and other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) - 3.970 people ...

          Attorney General R. Rudenko
          Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
          Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin



          In total, 642.980 people were sentenced to death. This is counting since 1921. Stalin (the Bolsheviks) came to power in 1924, which means that the number of those executed ascribed to Stalin must be reduced by two. We must also remember that during the reign of Stalin there was a war. This number of spread and hanged included Bandera, green brothers, policemen, deserters and traitors. And that's not counting just looters, murderers, robbers and rapists.
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 19 January 2018 10: 20
            +5
            Don't you think that you died from inhuman conditions in the camps? In some years, the death rate among prisoners there was higher than in the Nazi death camps.
            https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/27768.html
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 19 January 2018 14: 33
              +7
              The article is notable. A dozen links open with reprints of the same. Preliminary Statistical Analysis of AVCRP & DDS Documents. A report to Human Rights Watch about Chad under the government of Hissene Habre. 2003. Is it a link from an article in LiveJournal: "Mortality in the Soviet prison system 1930-1934: OGPU GULAG camps"? Other links to Zemskov. No, he is certainly a serious scientist, although he is anti-Soviet. That's just necessary, in my opinion exactly read it, and then, so with a snap, the devil will break his leg. Gentlemen like to exaggerate the NTS.

              http://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43067230811/1.-Z
              aveschanie-Viktora-Zemskova.-2.-Lozh-o-kolichestv
              e-repressir
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 19 January 2018 15: 03
                +2
                Gentlemen like to exaggerate the NTS.

                This is normal behavior for people who preserve and disseminate the memory of genocide - the number of victims of any genocide is always exaggerated by the injured party. And always downplayed guilty.
                The justification of the genocide or its denial, in my opinion, is his complicity.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 19 January 2018 15: 17
                  +7
                  Same lawyer as Teterin? You don’t have to lie, actually, but you’re filling me with tanks about aiding. Did you read Zemskov yourself? By the way, no one has withdrawn charges from the NTS for complicity with the Nazis and work for the CIA, you never know that the current (or rather, before them, but what's the difference) authorities registered them in the country. Those wrestlers, like you, apparently.
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 19 January 2018 15: 36
                    +2
                    Also a lawyer

                    Yes
                    No need to lie, actually

                    Tell the red political instructors.
                    The truth is with us. Russian Truth.
                    You are here about aiding tanks

                    If you say that there is no Holocaust, then you are an accomplice of the Nazis. If you claim that the deliberate extermination of the best representatives of the Russian people, a well-thought-out food policy that led to mass starvation and millions of human victims, dispossession, waste of time, collectivization - this is not genocide of the Russian people, then I have sad news for you - you are an accomplice of the red killers .
                    By the way, no one has withdrawn accusations from the NTS for aiding the Nazis and working for the CIA, you never know what the current ones are (or rather, before them, but what's the difference

                    So I can accuse Dzhugashvili of flirting with the Nazis, aiding Hitler in the capture of Poland, which led to the invasion of the Germans and millions of casualties.
                    And yes, Hitler is an argument. Hitler is a trump card.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 15: 47
                      +7
                      The truth is with us. Russian Truth.

                      I'm crying now because of your modesty.
                      If you claim that the deliberate extermination of the best representatives of the Russian people, a well-thought-out food policy that led to mass starvation and millions of human victims, dispossession, waste of time, collectivization - this is not genocide of the Russian people, then I have sad news for you - you are an accomplice of the red killers .

                      I say no need to lie. With loud words, it is impossible to cover either Savenkova, or the ROVS with the Union of Russian Terrorists, or the white men who served the Russian enemies from the Far East to Hitler, nor the subsequent work on MI6 and the CIA. Are these all the "best people"? For you, yes, you are one of them.
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 15: 55
                        +2
                        neither the white ones who served the enemies of Russia from the Far East to Hitler nor the subsequent work on MI6 and the CIA. Are these all the "best people"? For you, yes, you are one of them.

                        Oh, how did they end up in Europe and the USA? Probably they were there in no case not because the “red igil” seized power in Russia, robbing and killing these people, their loved ones, depriving them of their homeland, but because they were conscious enemies of Russia and the Russian people. (*sarcasm*)
                        I can understand the people who sought this “red igil”, it is an absolute evil, to destroy at any cost and by any means, whom I can’t understand, it’s those who “red igil” justify and glorify. Glorifies criminals, terrorists and mass murderers. Thus becoming their accomplice.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 16: 46
                      +6
                      I can understand people ... destroy at any cost and by any means

                      Well, what they did, in every possible way. STR, was going to distribute chemical warfare agents and bacteria among the civilian population, along with bandits from Poland came to slaughter children, old people and women, together with the Japanese burned villages in the Far East, together with Krasnov and Shkuro, killed Soviet people during the Second World War. Well, then, they licked the boots for the new owners from Langley.
                      whom I can’t understand is those who the “red igil” justifies and glorifies.

                      Do you mean them under the “red igil”, those who left memories?
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 16: 58
                        +2
                        Well, what they did, in every possible way. STR, was going to distribute chemical warfare agents and bacteria among the civilian population, along with bandits from Poland came to slaughter children, old people and women, together with the Japanese burned villages in the Far East, together with Krasnov and Shkuro, killed Soviet people during the Second World War. Well, then, they licked the boots for the new owners from Langley.

                        As well as Masons and reptilians from the planet Nibiru. Evidence, as always.
                        Do you mean them under the “red igil”, those who left memories?

                        No, I mean those who make materials, like the ones you brought. And distributes.
                      2. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 19 January 2018 17: 03
                        +5
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Do you mean them under the “red igil”, those who left memories?

                        I saw a documentary film about the Siege of Leningrad. Goosebumps.
                        After lifting the blockade, traitors were hanged. A truck in an 8 truck drove up a man under a gallows, a noose around his neck and drove off .....
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 17: 04
                      +4
                      No, I mean those who make materials ... And distributes.

                      What, someone recognized in the photo?
                      As well as Masons and reptilians from the planet Nibiru. Evidence, as always.

                      Yeah, we know how to find different crap in a search engine, but about STR ROVS, and everything else, does it? Happens!)))
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 19 January 2018 17: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Stroporez After lifting the blockade, traitors were hanged. A truck in an 8 truck drove up a man under a gallows, a noose around his neck and drove off .....

                        It’s a pity, they rarely show on TV, maybe who would have interesting thoughts crept under a hat?
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 10: 37
            +5
            Actually, these statistics ... are somewhat underestimated. The Soviet Zemskov, a historian, notes that the total number of people executed is about 800 thousand, and about 4 million prisoners. http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783
            Moreover, the collaborators in this mass of people are a minority.
            And you do not take into account mortality in the camps and among the "special settlers", who were often thrown into a bare field.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 07
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              The Soviet historian Zemskov notes ...

              We have an official report, in which the extra three years of repressions attributed to not involved, and the historian’s fabrications ... What do you think, who is more trusted? laughing
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 15
                +5
                You forgot to say Soviet official report. And how Soviet official reports were written with "record milkings of each cow" is well known. And Zemskov is a Soviet historian, doctor of historical sciences, whose work is based on data from the GARF of the Russian Federation from among the internal documentation of the OGPU-NKVD-MGB. And his work is recognized as reliable even by such a fanatical Stalinist as Sergei Kara-Murza. But for you, archives, doctorate and recognition of your like-minded people, these, of course, are not arguments ...
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  then, of course, no arguments ...

                  Of course not. There is a secret report to Khrushchev of officials who have the entirety of information from whom he expected another reason to throw mud at Stalin - he broke off!
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 58
                    +3
                    Great! It seems easier for you to ignore the facts if they contradict your picture of the world. And didn’t you think that the employees of the structure that prepared the report out of fear of being accused of condoning “violations of socialist legality for the sake of the personality cult” could have deliberately underestimated the numbers in order to put themselves in a better light?
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 13
              +4
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              And you do not take into account mortality in the camps and among the "special settlers", who were often thrown into a bare field.

              It is a pity that many Bandera, forest brothers, etc. villains survived ...
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 19 January 2018 11: 45
                +3
                etc. villains survived ...

                For your information, even if you do not take into account Russian “Ukrainians” and “Belarusians” (as real as elves and hobbits), 60-65% of prisoners in the camps were Russians.
                Another proof on your part that the Soviet man means Russophobe. Is always.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 48
                  +4
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  Another proof on your part that the Soviet man means Russophobe.

                  I don’t care what nationality the executioner, murderer and rapist of anyone.

                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 19 January 2018 12: 00
                    +2

                    Serious crimes against the person - 5 out of 100
                    Minor crimes against the management order - 40 out of 100 people.
                    The chances of survival in the Soviet death camp are higher for “thieves” - due to organization and a tendency to violence, they are much lower.
                    There are no words just to describe your baseness.
                    I deny you the right to be called a man.
                  2. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 12: 12
                    +3
                    In fact, for you to know, murderers and rapists went through common-law articles. According to the "counter-revolutionary" judged those who were objectionable to the party Bolshevik criminals.
              2. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 12: 03
                +3
                What forest brothers are among the special settlers !? There were ordinary Russian peasants. Are you sorry that many peasants survived? And in the camps of the same Bandera there was a minority. Most of them were such people:
                Ponosov Ivan Fedorovich (1885 year of birth) was accused of distributing ditties and stories, ridiculing the "system of collective and state farm construction." Sentenced to 10 years of ITL; (extract from the protocol No.2 15 of August 1937 of the year of the Omsk Troika)


                Source: materials of the archive of the Federal Security Service of the Omsk Region (http://web.archive.org/web/20040521101702
                /www.ic.omskreg.ru/~protocol/).
                ... https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/9518.html
                Are you sorry the innocent survived !?
            3. avva2012
              avva2012 19 January 2018 14: 38
              +3
              Lieutenant Teterin: http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783
              Great link. If you carefully read:
              To answer the question about the impact of repressions on a real scale on Soviet society, we would advise you to familiarize yourself with the conclusions of the American historian R. Thurston, who published in the mid-1990s the scientific monograph Life and Terror in Stalinist Russia. 1934 — 1941 ”(Thurston R. Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia. 1934 — 1941. - New Haven, 1996). The main conclusions, according to Thurston, are as follows: the system of Stalinist terror in the form in which it was described by previous generations of Western scholars never existed; the influence of terror on Soviet society during the Stalin years was not significant; there was no mass fear of repression in the 1930 years in the Soviet Union; repression was limited and did not affect the majority of the Soviet people; Soviet society supported the Stalinist regime rather than feared it; For most people, the Stalinist system provided an opportunity for advancement and participation in public life.
            4. MrK
              MrK 19 January 2018 20: 36
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Zemskov notes that the total number of people shot is about 800 thousand,


              Perfectly in the hole. From an article by Kurlandchik on VO: STALIN REPRESSIONS OF THE 30 OF THE YEARS. ARE YOU SURE THAT THEY ARE STALIN? So, subsequently, this figure was increased to 4 060 306 people due to 282 926 executed under Art. 59 (especially dangerous banditry) and Art. 193 (military espionage). This included blood-washed Basmachis, Bandera, the Baltic “forest brothers” and other especially dangerous, bloody bandits, spies and saboteurs. There is more human blood on them than water in the Volga. And they are also considered "innocent victims of Stalinist repression."
        3. chenia
          chenia 19 January 2018 12: 00
          +5
          Quote: Dzmicer
          total 33 million people.
          To say that the Bolsheviks stopped the genocide of the Russian people is like saying that Hitler saved the Jews from the Holocaust.


          Given development (rather than superbirth scapular RI) in 1960, the population (territorially included in the USSR) should be MORE 280 million human.
          On 1959 -209 млн.From here the losses for 40 years no more than 70 million

          40 млн. Losses (demographic) in the Second World War.

          30 million - from 1918 to 1960 you indicated.

          It seems true, but from losses 12 million GV, (there is evidence that the loss of GV is 16 million) was not born- 7,5 million.
          Emigration 4,5 млн well, let 2 million
          Here the losses from epidemics seem to be true (Spanish, typhoid, etc.) -,6 ml
          And the birth rate drop is up to 4 million beyond the GW.
          Now count
          hunger and repression (repression, or rather just punishment, were also committed by criminals) after GV remains only 1-3 million
          Well let 4-5 million and this value correlates with the data presented to Khrushchov.
          1. MrK
            MrK 20 January 2018 15: 57
            +2
            Quote: chenia
            Now count


            It was these figures that were cited in the German sheet order in 1941. True, it was still said there that it was a pass for surrender.
      2. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 16: 11
        +2
        I repeat: to say that the Bolsheviks stopped the genocide of the Russian people is equivalent to saying that Hitler saved the Jews from the Holocaust.
        1. chenia
          chenia 19 January 2018 17: 06
          +6
          Well, then you agree with the losses.

          Well, now explain where the smallest happened 65 million people after the liberoid-dermocratic revolution of 1991

          It would be similar 100 years ago, but with much more dire consequences (the USSR was a superpower and its legacy still supports Russia).
          RI was dung and bast a country that would be gouged into small pieces, to the applause of our "faithful" allies.
    2. MrK
      MrK 19 January 2018 20: 27
      +4
      Quote: Dzmicer
      Hands propagandized by foreigners and spies of the mob, the Russian people cut off their own head

      Yes, he didn’t cut himself off, but to those whose heirs today withdrew the 4 countries of trillion dollars. But history develops in a spiral. And soon everything will be repeated. About myself. I do not call for revolution. I'm afraid of revolution. Star already. And I do not live badly. Health earned in the sun. But if it happens, I will be glad.
  6. novel66
    novel66 19 January 2018 08: 59
    +2
    on the street pea hype -
    Uritsky is arming the entire Cheka ...
    ... inspired ...
  7. Naputeon bonaput
    Naputeon bonaput 19 January 2018 09: 24
    0
    I’m wondering how, for example, a veteran of the Ministry of Internal Affairs can justify revolutionary lawlessness against actually his own colleagues and predecessors? But in those troubled days, dozens and hundreds of then law enforcement officers perished and were wounded (crippled, mutilated) from the clutches of all trash. Or is a forest being cut - chips fly?
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 19 January 2018 09: 43
      +3
      Everything is simple: the “veteran of the Ministry of Internal Affairs” sees in his predecessors not the royal gendarmes and city policemen, but the executioners from the Cheka and the NKVD.
  8. baudolino
    baudolino 19 January 2018 10: 17
    +4
    After the first paragraphs I did not want to read further.
    Somehow, the author chatters through history from the Old Russian civilizations of the Hyperboreans to the Communists. Moreover, the plot of the evil West against naive patriots is present, and no documents can be trusted. All sorts of decrees of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee are suddenly quoted without fear that the Zhidomasons could also fake them.
  9. soldier
    soldier 19 January 2018 10: 25
    20
    The dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is one of the causes of the Civil War.
    Usurpation of power. After all, even Mikhail renounced counting on the Constituent Assembly - which was supposed to determine the future of Russia.
    And if there is no way to defend their beliefs in the walls of a representative body, they are upheld on the battlefield.
    So who is to blame for starting the Civil War? Answer on the surface
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 January 2018 12: 35
      +4
      Quote: soldier
      . After all, even Mikhail renounced counting on the Constituent Assembly - which was supposed to determine the future of Russia.

      He did not deny, but postponed the perception of the throne until the decision of the CSS. As an Emperor, he had a right.
      Emperor Michael II and was shot.
      1. soldier
        soldier 19 January 2018 19: 26
        16
        Exactly. But then, dear Olgovich (scary to say)) we still have a legally monarchy. After all, the Constituent Assembly did not resolve this issue, and the status of a source of power for the Soviet government is self-capture.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 January 2018 10: 58
          +2
          Quote: soldier
          But then, dear Olgovich (scary to say)) we still have a legally monarchy. After all, the Constituent Assembly did not resolve this issue, and the status of a source of power for the Soviet government is self-capture.

          A nationwide referendum on the Constitution (and therefore the state system) was, the Duma and the President are popularly elected. So the meaning of the Constituent Assembly, in the end, in some form, was realized.
  10. Prometey
    Prometey 19 January 2018 10: 39
    +5
    The decision was right: the next “talking room" was assembled, which could no longer change anything. Sentenced by the West to partition and murder, Russia and Russian civilization had to be rescued decisively and harshly, the time for talking was over.
    What a bold, mixed conclusion. The Constituent Assembly was chosen to establish the form of political structure and government and the Basic Law of the state, where does the talking room go? For the first time, people were allowed to participate in resolving important political issues, and the Bolsheviks ignored this.
    Only the party of Russian communists had a project for the development of a new (Soviet) civilization, a program and ideology that corresponded to the interests of the vast majority of the Russian population.
    There was no such party then. The overwhelming majority of the Russian population — the peasantry — just stood for the program of essays, and not the Bolsheviks — with their gop ideas — the robbery was looted. Then you can read through your fingers.
    1. Mamka pula
      Mamka pula 19 January 2018 10: 52
      18
      Prometheus is right
      If you look like that - then really, any parliament, pre-parliament, etc. - talking room)
      Let's disperse all the parliaments))
      No, it gives people hope for a better future. And the feeling is that you decide something, you influence something.
      The bulk of the population - peasants, really stood for the Social Revolutionaries. The Bolsheviks, even in the old army, could not gain a majority - that's why they dismissed it, not bringing the war to an end. At least a little remained. To end.
      But your own shirt, that is, the chair you are sitting on, the power that you have appropriated is naturally more important
  11. Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 19 January 2018 11: 12
    +7
    If this bolt assembly had not been dispersed, there would have been great misfortune. Civil war at this stage was inevitable. The people did not choose this meeting. Mostly the same landowners and capitalists came to power. Nothing would have changed for the bulk of the working people. Unfortunately, purges were inevitable. If the revolution happens now, there will also be shootings and landings, i.e. cleansing of those who disagree. It's unavoidable. At that time, Russia was lucky that the Bolsheviks came to power - people with ideological hardening and consideration, with a sense of social justice. This saved Russia.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 19 January 2018 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: Andrey160479
      If this bolt assembly had not been dispersed, there would have been great misfortune.

      Which one? And what is this conclusion based on?
      Quote: Andrey160479
      Mostly the same landowners and capitalists came to power.

      Power was in the hands of the Bolsheviks. Essentially temporary.
      Quote: Andrey160479
      The people did not choose this meeting.

      The landowners apparently voted for the Socialist Revolutionaries with their ideas of socializing the land.
  12. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 20
    +5
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    And about 1991 ... Better be silent. All the people were silent in December 1991. He watched as the country was pulled apart and was silent. Silent of the CPSU. The KGB was silent. The Komsomol was silent. The Army was silent. Everyone sat exactly at the fifth point and were silent. Here is the price of the entire Soviet system and Soviet statehood, coupled with society. When it was unlawful and against the will of the people, expressed in a referendum, the Soviet Union was divided, Soviet society sat smoothly. When in 1917 the Bolsheviks seized power against the will of the people, then Russian society fought for another 4 years for their country with weapons in their hands.

    --------------------------------
    Russian society is who? You so skillfully paint "varieties of red", and leave your pallor within the framework of "Russian society". Well, along with the Entente invaders, you "fought with weapons" in your hands. Or do your interventionists somehow stand on the edge?
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 49
      +4
      Russian society consists of officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who, in hundreds of thousands, joined the ranks of the White armies. Google the strength of the armies of Kolchak and the South of Russia in 1919.
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 12: 24
        13
        Lieutenant Teterin Today, 11:49 ↑
        Russian society consists of officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who, in hundreds of thousands, joined the ranks of the White armies.
        Boo-ha-ha ... laughing laughing laughing Just hundreds of thousands entered? And why then Kolchak is prosra ... profuched ALL that he could, al? And where is his military "genius"? Drowned with him in the muddy waters of Ushakovka?
        And why did your “ingenious” commanders Kornilov, Denikin, Yudenich, Wrangel, Krasnov, Shkuro and other trash lose outright to the Reds in spite of the help of the collective West?
        Didn’t lie lie, do you lie?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 19 January 2018 12: 50
          +7
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And why did your “ingenious” commanders Kornilov, Denikin, Yudenich, Wrangel, Krasnov, Shkuro and other trash lose outright to the Reds in spite of the help of the collective West?

          Right now they will tell us how the Reds fought not honestly, not nobly, they got everyone stuck, intimidated, made terror, soda with gomora and therefore the forces of light were defeated.
          Nothing new. In a similar way, the Foschists have been justifying for half a century - the Russians had winter and T-34, but we didn’t have Foschists, and this is not fair.
          On fragile children's minds acts. But it clearly indicates the level of thinking and the quality of rhetoric. Splint. No need to argue. You have to smile and chew popcron.
          And if you get tired - you can recall that "your talk is not needed by the working people." ))) And one asks - why was it dispersed? Well that's why, gentlemen, sir, therefore ...
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 12: 57
            10
            Alex_59 Today, 12:50 ↑ New
            Right now we will be told how the Reds fought not fair, not noble
            That's right! hi Or they may not tell, they, when you put them in an uncomfortable position, immediately eloquence is lost. Although it must be admitted, they are masters of inventing “facts” from parallel reality.
            No need to argue. You have to smile and chew popcron.
            This is true, but sometimes it’s a pleasure to touch them, you’ll get such nonsense, Zadornov is resting. laughing
            And if you get tired - you can recall that "your talk is not needed by the working people." ))) And one asks - why was it dispersed? Well that's why, gentlemen, sir, therefore ...
            To the very point! That is precisely because some of the gentlemen of the time, the local crystal bakers, reasoned as they are now, and their people asked to clean the room, and some didn’t just ask, but slammed, sometimes not in completely humane ways. Looks for what!
        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Just hundreds of thousands entered?

          Exactly. Read the research carefully:
          http://knowledge.su/k/kolchaka-armii
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          And why are your "ingenious" commanders Kornilov, Denikin, Yudenich, Wrangel, Krasnov, Shkuro
          because the red went to the military depots of the WWII and densely populated territories with a developed transport system. Well, terror, coupled with propaganda, has not been canceled.
          And about the alleged "help of the West" read here: https://topwar.ru/974-kak-soyuzniki-belym-pomogal
          i.html
          This help exists only in the libel of pro-Bolshevik propagandists, in reality, Antatna fused white military property on the principle: "we will give something if only we are behind us."
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 January 2018 14: 58
            +2
            http://knowledge.su/k/kolchaka-armii

            This research is about what?
            The maximum number of Kolchak armies reached 400 thousand people (the current army - no more than 130-145 thousand people), 211 guns, 1,3 thousand machine guns, 12 armored vehicles, 5 armored trains, 15 aircraft. Kolchak's army consisted mainly of peasants from Siberia, the Urals and the Volga region, most of whom were called up for mobilization. A significant stratum of them consisted of immigrants from the petty-bourgeois strata of society and the intelligentsia, 15-20% - Cossacks (Orenburg, Ural, Siberian, Semirechye, Transbaikal, Amur, Irkutsk, Yenisei and Ussuri). Essential assistance to Kolchak’s armies (weapons, uniforms, ammunition, etc.) was provided by the countries of the Entente, and the command of Kolchak’s armies with 16.1.1919 coordinated all their plans with the commander-in-chief of the troops of the allied states in eastern Russia and Western Siberia, the French general M. Zhanen. Kolchak’s armies included foreign formations (Czechoslovakians, Poles, Serbs, etc.), as well as workers — mainly participants in the anti-Bolshevik Izhevsk-Botkin uprising 1918, which formed special formations in Kolchak’s armies that fought against the Red Army under the red flags and with the slogan “For Tips without communists! ” There were about 30 thousand officers in the Kolchak armies, including over 10 thousand personnel.
            https://topwar.ru/974-kak-soyuzniki-belym-pomogal
            i.html
            Starikov N.V., is a great scientist laughing
            1. alstr
              alstr 19 January 2018 16: 42
              +2
              And taking into account that, according to the maximum estimates of historians, emigration from Russia is only 5 million, and the losses from military operations by human rights defenders are estimated at no more than 2 million, we consider that a maximum of 7 million participated in the White movement, i.e. no more than 5 percent of the population (7 is divided by 160. at the same time, we note that we divide the upper estimate by the participants and the lower by the number, i.e. in fact it will be even less).
              That's the whole mass.
              The truth of life is that at the beginning of the year 18, the majority was tired of everything and wanted only one thing - to live well. The Bolsheviks were able to offer this to the country.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 16: 53
                +2
                It should also be borne in mind that 5-10 percent of the population usually participates in civil wars. The rest just sit and wait for the end of the "showdown" of the warring parties.
      2. chenia
        chenia 19 January 2018 13: 32
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Russian society consists of officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who, in hundreds of thousands, joined the ranks of the White armies.


        Russian society is officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who millions of joined the ranks Red Army.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 14: 07
          +1
          You forgot to clarify something. These millions were mobilized. Often at risk of reprisal. I'm not talking about the "military experts" who had hostage families. And you “forgot” to mention about 250 thousand foreigners in the ranks of the Reds: https://w.histrf.ru/articles/article/show/intiern
          atsionalnyie_voiennyie_formirovaniia_v_krasnoi_ar
          mii_1918_20
          1. chenia
            chenia 19 January 2018 14: 22
            +5
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            These millions were mobilized.


            But what the White movement was not able to ignite the idea of ​​the people, but was not forced to force?

            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            You “forgot” to mention about 250 thousand foreigners in the ranks of the Reds:


            Oh, I forgot about the intervention.

            And what was not the Bolsheviks came to power is evident in Ukraine.

            Where from a powerful industrial state, the liberal democratic lads made DAMMED republic.

            But the Bolsheviks from DAMMED bast of Russia, created a powerful industrial superpower.

            FACT.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 19 January 2018 15: 23
              +4
              But what the White movement was not able to ignite the idea of ​​the people, but was not forced to force?

              The lieutenant, as always forgot, about the mobilization of peasants in the army of Kolchak. A little bit.
      3. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 19 January 2018 22: 31
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Russian society consists of officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who, in hundreds of thousands, joined the ranks of the White armies. Google the strength of the armies of Kolchak and the South of Russia in 1919.

        Hundreds of thousands representatives of Russian society joined the White Army. Where did they go then? Have Latvians really dispersed them all?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 20 January 2018 04: 08
          +3
          Have Latvians really dispersed them all?

          Why dispersed? They shot it. That's just Teterin, once wrote a little, "hundreds of thousands", it is necessary to write, "millions." More reliable, it would be so, "millions joined the ranks of the White armies." But these millions were defeated by the Bolsheviks with "workers and peasants" mobilized under pain of death, as well as with the help of the Chinese and Latvians, and then, barges, cellars, poisoning Khazs and killed, killed, drowned everyone. All millions (the figure is specified, see Flurscheideweg 15, 65936 Frankfurt am Main ntsrs.nm.ru.) Of the executed, the Bolsheviks dissolved in acid (the amount of acid and its composition is specified, see Flurscheideweg 15, 65936 Frankfurt am Main ntsrs.nm.ru .) because, such a monstrous amount of bones was searched, searched, but could not be found. That burial after the battle of Visby, which happened in the 1361 year, was found, but millions can not be found. Task.
  13. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 22
    +5
    Quote: soldier
    The dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is one of the causes of the Civil War.

    --------------------------
    Acceleration of the meeting can cause a civil war? Let's arrange a civil war on every occasion then.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 50
      +3
      Not a meeting, but a nationwide representative body. And not the only, but one of the reasons. Read carefully.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 19 January 2018 15: 28
        +6
        The reason for the outbreak of a full-scale civil war was the Entente-inspired "uprising" of the Czechoslovak "legion" on the Trans-Siberian, led by the French general M. Janin. By the time of the "uprising", these legionnaires were considered French soldiers.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 16: 59
          +2
          Avva, GV began with the armed seizure of power by the Bolsheviks, remember the battles in Moscow in October 1917. The Czechoslovak rebellion occurred six months after the start of the struggle against Bolshevism in the South.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 January 2018 17: 13
            +5
            Before the Czechoslovak "uprising", the main attempts to object to the new government were stopped. You can read, because you know how and if you are a lawyer, then you understand the wording: "The reason for the start of a full-scale civil war." There would be no such slaughter, if not your allies. And with what kind of sauce they began to interfere in the internal affairs of another state, this does not stir anyone.
  14. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 23
    +3
    Quote: Prometey
    There was no such party then. The overwhelming majority of the Russian population — the peasantry — just stood for the program of essays, and not the Bolsheviks — with their gop ideas — the robbery was looted. Then you can read through your fingers.

    -----------------------------------------------
    The Bolshevik party grew numerically during the same 1917. As for the gop ideas, it’s quite original of course.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 19 January 2018 12: 08
      0
      Quote: Altona
      The Bolshevik Party grew numerically during the same 1917

      Does anyone dispute this? Only this was not the Communist Party at that time.
      Quote: Altona
      As for the gop ideas, it’s quite original of course.

      Yes, in principle, nothing original. Weren't you going to destroy the concept of private property?
  15. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 26
    +4
    Quote: Dzmicer
    The population of the United States at the beginning of the twentieth century is 70 million people. The population of the United States at the beginning of the XXI century is 280 million people. Growth - 400%.

    --------------------------------
    Emigrants certainly do not count, everything was decided only by marital sex.
  16. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 27
    +3
    Quote: Dzmicer
    12,5 million lost population. (Erlikhman V.V. Population Losses in the 20th Century: Reference Book - M.: Russian Panorama Publishing House, 2004)

    ---------------------------------
    It was only in 2004, Mr. non-titular nationality was able to calculate the population decline. Prior to this, apparently it was impossible. You probably don’t know that population counting can be done in different ways and get different results.
  17. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 11: 29
    +7
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Yes you, my friend, a ready extremist. Your quote, when implementing actions, is the complete composition of Art. 278 of the Criminal Code, and without that - Art. 280.

    ------------------------
    Yes, you, my friend, a ready-made informer and a bastard.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 11: 55
      +4
      No, I warned a man out of kindness of heart, a man of honor will not scam denunciations, but one of the "comrades" is easy.
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 12: 29
        10
        Lieutenant Teterin Today, 11:55 ↑
        man of honor
        GUARANTEE, where you have the “honor”, ​​a normal person’s legs are joined together! laughing From rags to riches, and there too - "honor" ... negative
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 09
          +2
          I recognize the style of typical red: streams of insults when arguments end. It’s good that you come out with such passages — that means you, like any adherent of Sharov’s rule, simply have nothing to say.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          rush to riches, and there too - "honor" ...

          In fact, judging by family photographs depicting people in suits, uniforms and photos of a girl in a dress from a graduate of a female gymnasium (as the costume specialist of that era was able to determine), my ancestors were at least hereditary bourgeoisie. So again by, Mr. Sharikov.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 13: 13
            +9
            Lieutenant Teterin Today, 13:09 ↑
            In fact, judging by family photographs depicting people in suits, uniforms and photos of a girl in a dress from a graduate of a female gymnasium (as the costume specialist of that era was able to determine), my ancestors were at least hereditary bourgeoisie.
            For which they received from my ancestors a good kick in the ass. Do you want to repeat? laughing
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 19
              +1
              Rude again. Perfectly. You know, your monkey monkeys discredit the left movement and more pro-Bolshevik leaders than denouncing articles. Here, an uninterested person respects our dialogue with you and will associate the Bolshevik supporters with you. And with your style of argument. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your efforts! lol
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Do you want to repeat?
              Give it a try. But keep in mind, I will not take you to the hospital later to treat you with a hopelessly broken leg. You will hobble around. wink
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 13: 28
                +7
                Lieutenant Teterin Today, 13:19 ↑
                Give it a try. But keep in mind, I will not take you to the hospital later to treat you with a hopelessly broken leg. You will hobble around. wink
                "MalchYk", do not flatter yourself, then you yourself would then stumble to the border alive ... laughing
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 51
                  +2
                  Eh, the argument, as usual, develops into boxing by correspondence. Sorry. However, this does not negate the fact that, in essence, you have nothing to object to except insults.
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 19 January 2018 14: 10
                    +7
                    I have not yet offended you, I have not even tried, this is first.
                    Secondly, you have already been objected 100500 times and refuted all your vile lies, but at least ((you’re in the eye, all the dew of God. And therefore, you understand only one language, the language of power. That's when you attach yourself well and not according to your passport , and in the face, as it was with the Russians, then people like you immediately degenerate into convinced patriots.
                    Boxing by correspondence, this is of course rare crap, I agree here, therefore I prefer real boxing. angry
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 14: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      I have not yet offended you, I have not even tried, this is first.

                      Really? They tried to insult more than once. That's just your tactics of provocation does not work with me.
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      . Secondly, you have been objected and refuted 100500 times all your vile lies,

                      General phrases and attempts to make excuses. I haven’t seen a single counterargument from you today. Only attempts of mockery, insults and attacks in the style of “Avtovsevreti !!!!!”. So I conclude that you have essentially nothing to object to, and you are not capable of admitting your wrong. So swear with tripled strength.
    2. brn521
      brn521 19 January 2018 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Altona
      ready snitch and wand.

      Cooperation with law enforcement agencies is the duty of every citizen. This makes it possible to build a civil society.
  18. Alex_59
    Alex_59 19 January 2018 12: 18
    +7
    Studying the comments of readers to the article, I am becoming more and more convinced of the fidelity of the slogan "Your talk is not needed by the working people." Actually, having studied the srach unfolding in the comments, you are more than ever imbued with an understanding of why this slogan was pronounced, and why further actions followed. There is no need to write articles here - everything is on the surface.
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 19 January 2018 13: 15
      +2
      And can you expand the list of "workers"?
      The peasants who cast their votes for the "talkers" of the Socialist Revolutionaries are not workers, but the "petty-bourgeois element" —that is why they "collectivized" and "dispossessed" him! .
      But sailors, deserters, a decayed army, declassified, propagandized workers who did not crawl out of strikes and strikes (the electorate of borschweiks) - "Well, workers, work in sweat!"
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 19 January 2018 22: 57
        +1
        Quote: Dzmicer
        And can you expand the list of "workers"?

        You can expand and collapse, but it will not give you anything, because you did not catch the meaning of the phrase, and the “deployment” will not help you.
        For other readers who are able to understand the essence, and not cling to words, I will notice such a personal feeling. Sailor Zheleznyakov without realizing said a very deep philosophical phrase. Concise and accurate. More precisely, its meaning can be conveyed only by the vocabulary of the Leningard group - "go all on xxx!" This phrase fully and fully expresses the attitude of adequate people of all classes, ideologies and estates in relation to the booth of buffoons of all kinds of “thoughts” and “assemblies”.
        It only remains to regret that Zheleznyakov did not find himself in Ukraine in the 14 year, nor did he find us in 91 and 93. He was not found in February 17. Moreover, he could not be in sailor uniform, and not under the red flag. This is not the point. And the fact is that when it is necessary to save the homeland, and the crowd wants to take control of the hands of parasites, then such a person as Zheleznyakov needs any power. And it seems that if strength and victory were on the side of the White Guard, the first thing that would happen after their victory was to enter the stage of their own White Guard Zheleznyakov with a request to shut up their mouths and submit to the new government in order to restore order and normal life. And damn right!
  19. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 05
    +3
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Not a meeting, but a nationwide representative body. And not the only, but one of the reasons. Read carefully.

    -------------------------
    This can serve as a reason, but not a reason. You have no critical thinking at all, Lieutenant.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Let's just say, the dispersal of the US was the final step towards the Civil War. The society saw that it was impossible to talk and agree on something with the Bolshevik usurpers. Due to the inability of the Bolsheviks to dialogue.
  20. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 07
    +4
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    No, I warned a man out of kindness of heart, a man of honor will not scam denunciations, but one of the "comrades" is easy.

    ----------------------------
    Come on excuses sculpt. When you need to come to the desk yourself, you can roll up the paperwork on the "comrade" if you are already operating with the article numbers of the Criminal Code. laughing
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  21. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: Prometey
    Does anyone dispute this? Only this was not the Communist Party at that time.

    ---------------------------
    You are such amateurs to juggle with terms, to cover the forest behind trees. The Marxist party was on the basis of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." That's all. Otherwise, your Communists come under all negativity, including that which was created by completely different forces, under the “alien flag” as the Americans say. And for some reason you attribute all the positives to the Bulk-crunches, although at that time they were no longer noblemen or monarchists. In February, too, they surrendered the king’s priest with giblets, and no one came out to defend Nicholas II. As you say about the USSR of 1991. And there is no need here to shred granny with pastoral pictures of the "beautiful monarchy", because such was not in nature for 100% of the population.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      In February, too, they surrendered the king’s priest with giblets, and no one came out to defend Nicholas II.

      So, after all, the plot was arranged with Nicholas by the conspirators, as if he had denied of his own accord. At least the appearance of legality was respected.
  22. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Russian society consists of officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who, in hundreds of thousands, joined the ranks of the White armies. Google the strength of the armies of Kolchak and the South of Russia in 1919.

    ------------------------------------
    And what is there to google? There, "about zero" plus the forcibly called up.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 30
      +2
      I would still recommend that you look at studies on the topic of the Civil War. Because if there was “near zero”, the GW would not have lasted 4 years.
  23. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 16
    +4
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Russian society is officers, teachers, cadets, gymnasium students, workers, peasants who hundreds of thousands joined the ranks of the White armies. Google the strength of the armies of Kolchak and the South of Russia in 1919.

    -------------------------------------------
    But the "bloody Bolsheviks" flew and destroyed hundreds of thousands Bulk Khrustov. laughing laughing Poruchik, hundreds of thousands are a very impressive army, especially from a professional military. Can you go to Petro Poroshenko as a consultant? He also has “hundreds of thousands” of APUs, regularly receiving luli from 2 tens of thousands of organized miners. laughing laughing
  24. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 22
    +6
    Quote: Prometey
    Power was in the hands of the Bolsheviks. Essentially temporary.

    ---------------------------
    Bolsheviks and Left Social Revolutionaries, which were widely represented in the Soviets, had power. Tips-body elected and quite legitimate. Nothing was temporarily there. But the Provisional Government had less legitimacy, because it appointed itself. And by the way, it abolished the monarchy only in September 1917, Russia became a bourgeois republic. This is reminiscent of the story of the "bloody gulags", which the liberals demolished the USSR. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, they immediately forgot about the “bloody gulags” and began to tear up people's property, simultaneously driving into jail "proletarians who didn’t fit into the market," who stole a block of cigarettes in a stall or a can of cucumbers in a supermarket.
  25. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 24
    +5
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Mr. good, I am a lawyer by training. Operating numbers of articles and laws is my direct work. However, the style I recognize. Soviet and sub-Soviet people in any other person see a scammer, and in every phrase a hint of a scammer. Because he himself is used to engaging in informers.

    -----------------------------
    Well, do law. I am an engineer by training and I see very well that we don’t have a couple of lawyers at the head of state. Do you see the laws that impede the representatives of the ruling class?
  26. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 30
    +7
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Let's just say, the dispersal of the US was the final step towards the Civil War. The society saw that it was impossible to talk and agree on something with the Bolshevik usurpers. Due to the inability of the Bolsheviks to dialogue.

    --------------------------------
    Twenty five again. What are usurpers? Where did you get these patterns. Mr. Yeltsin, for your information, is exactly the same usurper and shot the Supreme Council in 1993, which was chosen by ALL SOCIETY. Stupidly Shot from 125 mm tank guns loaded with buckshot! This is not Lewis machine guns at the closed gate of the US. Have you forgotten this already? It was recently. No, you all sing your songs about the "bloody Bolsheviks." The Supreme Council also tackled the transitional tasks from socialism back to capitalism.
  27. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 13: 33
    +6
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Because if there was “near zero”, the GW would not have lasted 4 years.

    --------------------------------
    Because there was financing, lieutenant. Without funding, all your ideological ones immediately ran away to Gallipoli, to Paris, to Marseille, to Istanbul. Read Bulgakov at least carefully.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 19 January 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Oh, yes ... Funding was such that White had difficulty collecting weapons. And no financing (even if it were) could compensate for the small size of the army. People went to whites, and often voluntarily. I Varyag article "IN" regarding supply and financing has already cited above. You can find in the list of my comments.
      1. Curious
        Curious 19 January 2018 15: 26
        +4
        All your efforts, Lieutenant, are in vain. They dispersed the Constituent Assembly, they did not disperse ... It absolutely did not solve anything.
        Do you know who Archpriest Mikhail Kirillovich Prudnikov is? And his answer to the question "Father Michael, Russia is dying, and we nobles are doing nothing, we must do something!". Answer: “No one can do anything until the punishment imposed by God for the Russian people for sins by God ends; when the punishment appointed by God for the Russian people for sins comes to an end, then the Queen of Heaven herself has mercy; and what has mercy - I know! ". What did the old man know, since he answered so.
      2. MrK
        MrK 19 January 2018 20: 52
        +3
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        People went to whites, and often voluntarily


        Yes, at first. While Kolchak in the Volga region did not begin to return the landowners and give them land. And then. From the same book by A. Kurlandchik on Prza.ru
        “... The proclamation of a group of former tsarist generals, who called on officers in 1919 to go over to the ... Reds, played a huge role in their time. Here are quotes: “The free Russian people liberated all the nations that were subject to it and made it possible for each of them to self-determine and arrange their own lives at their own discretion ... At this critical moment in our people’s life, we, your senior comrades, appeal to your feelings of love and devotion to your homeland and urge you to ... voluntarily go with complete selflessness and hunting in the Red Army and serve there not for fear, but for conscienceso that with his honest service, not sparing life, to defend at all costs Russia, which is so dear to us, and to prevent its plunder, because in the latter case it could irretrievably disappear, and then our descendants will justly curse us ... for what we are. .. did not use their combat knowledge and experience, they forgot their native Russian people and ruined their Mother Russia. ”
        The appeal was signed by famous and respected people in the old army: generals Polivanov, Zayonchkovsky, Klembovsky, Parsky, Baluyev, Akimov, Admiral Gutor. The first was the name of the most authoritative military commander, General A. Brusilov».
  28. BAI
    BAI 19 January 2018 13: 51
    +4
    All these liberal-constitutional democrats and the socialist "revolutionaries" who overthrew the legitimate authority - the tsar (no matter how badly I treated him). So on what basis did they believe that they would fight with them by some legal methods, and would not give the same kick in the ass? As you are to people, so are people to you. Nobody gives up power voluntarily. It is taken and held by force. (In recent History - Gorbachev - GKChP - Supreme Council of the Russian Federation). Who is stronger is right. About democracy, you can still recall the referendum on the preservation of the USSR and its results.
  29. Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 19 January 2018 14: 14
    +1
    the article is good, only at the end the author moved on to imperial projects ...
  30. 1536
    1536 19 January 2018 15: 00
    +1
    The Constituent Assembly was initially doomed to failure. It did not express the will of the whole people and could not express it, since the nobility in the person of the landowners, merchants, city entrepreneurs, government officials, scientists and culture workers who had not participated in the elections for the Constitutional Court were already defeated in their rights. The party of the Socialist Revolutionaries, who relied on the crazy ideas of the "city of the Sun" and universal equality on the basis of the physical labor of the peasant masses on the condition of socialized land and the liquidation of private property, ruled over all. This was then carried out by the Bolsheviks, but with what difficulty and with what sacrifices and opposition of the people! So if the CSS idea were realized, a civil war would still have begun for only one “but”: but a foreign military intervention in Russia in the 1918 year would have turned into its complete occupation and disintegration into parts, the capture of Moscow and Petrograd, the destruction of all Russian identity of the people. How would this happen, today we can clearly see in Ukraine captured by the United States and NATO. Minus 100 years, multiply by the barbarity coefficient, and you can get horror that cannot be compared even with the events of 1918-1922.
    In fact, V.I. Everything was written about Lenin about this, and no one has yet been able to refute it. The decision to convene a Constituent Assembly was fundamentally wrong, and, indeed, provoked the outbreak of the Civil War in Russia in many respects thanks to the ambitions of some parties and their leaders.
    1. alstr
      alstr 19 January 2018 16: 59
      +3
      "thanks to the ambitions of some parties and their leaders."
      Here. I’ll say this now that they will kick me.
      Lenin was too soft and just dispersed the CSS, but if he had completely cleaned it, then everything could have been calmer.
      1. 1536
        1536 19 January 2018 17: 14
        +2
        Perhaps, one can agree with this, Pinochet from Lenin is simply none. However, there was no one to clean up by and large. In the Cheka, all the same Socialist-Revolutionaries firmly entrenched themselves, who sat down on a bread place for confiscation of values ​​from the former ruling class. What it ended up in the end is known.
        1. alstr
          alstr 19 January 2018 17: 18
          +2
          Specifically, the US could be cleaned with the same sailors. All of them came out - the sailors came in and put everyone down. But further, there would be problems.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 January 2018 17: 57
            +4
            You know, and your thought is very correct. Various objections, indignations, and even armed confrontation, arise where the authorities are not afraid. There Duvalier sat calmly and the people were silent. Pol Pot would have shut up the Cambodians with choppers, if not for the Vietnamese. Pinochet and generally Latin America with death squads. Most likely, everything that our "pale-faced brothers" invent, they would have reproduced if they came to power. Spreading your wet dreams to opponents is called. Moreover, none of those then hid this. They planned to destroy all the Bolsheviks and those sympathizing with them (well, anyone would just write down this category), and the punishment was for the seizure of land and factories. And how they will be punished, the peasants learned in their own skin in the "liberated areas". What the white liberators did in Siberia and the Far East, this is not every S. King will reproduce. And after all of the above, there are those who are trying to distribute NTS stories to us about the evil "red" and the good "white".
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 19 January 2018 19: 13
          +3
          In the Cheka, all the same Socialist Revolutionaries densely entrenched
          ... Somehow they don’t remember that the special unit of the Cheka which raised the rebellion on July 6 was under the control of the Socialist-Revolutionaries and commanded them by the Socialist-Revolutionaries .. The Socialist-Revolutionary was the chief of the Kirsanov’s militia, and the Soviet A. Antonov, Socialist-Revolutionary Muravyov rebelled on the Volga .. the commander of the Red Army ..It was enough of these comrades, which is characteristic, they knew how to adapt ...
  31. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 January 2018 18: 49
    +1
    I believe that the essence of Mr. Samsonov’s article can be reduced to the words:
    Only the party of Russian communists had a project for the development of a new (Soviet) civilization program and ideology corresponding to the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population of Russia. It was based on social justice and the construction of a new "bright world", where there will be no parasitism of a small social stratum over the people.

    How Russian are these communists?
    1. What place was given to Russia and the Russian people by the Bolsheviks and Communists of other countries in the event of their widespread victory?
    2. Why were the leaders of the RSDLP, namely Lenin, Trotsky and Martov, until the spring of 1917, anywhere, but not in Russia, for whose revolutionary "transformation" they so zealously advocated?
    3. Why was the concept of “Russia” limited to the territory of the modern Russian Federation, did even the ethnically and historically Russian territories of White and Lesser Russia appear outside its framework?
    4. Why was the national symbolism of the Russian state withdrawn from use?
    5. Why was the national question decided solely to the detriment of the Russians?
    What is "Soviet civilization"?
    1. Who are advisers?
    2. Do these same advisers have their own culture?
    3. Where did the Russian civilization go and where did the next 70 years go?
    What exactly were the interests of Russians defended by the Bolshevik government?
    1. To what extent did the interests of the Russian people correspond to giving hostile countries the most developed and populated areas of the country?
    2. Do the actions of Tukhachevsky and Zalkind correspond to the interests of the people?
    3. Did the looting of the peasantry correspond to the interests of the people?
    4. Why did the Lumpen and criminal elements turn out to be “more of a people” than officers, bourgeoisie, bureaucracy, middle and prosperous peasantry?
    5. How did the interests of Russia protect the Balts, Hungarians and Chinese?
    Is it possible to step without a flashlight in the "bright world"?
    1. How are the quasi-ritual executions, mass killings, mockery of bodies and the destruction of cultural heritage committed by the Bolsheviks different from similar actions by IS terrorists?
    2. Does the theft and destruction of Russia's national treasure belong to parasitic activity?
    3. Why did the first persons of the "worker-peasant" state live in conditions no less luxurious than the bourgeois and aristocrats under the ancien regime?
    4. What is the class affiliation of the "leaders of the proletariat"?
    5 .. Does all this make the Bolsheviks criminals, and their ideology - misanthropic?
  32. parusnik
    parusnik 19 January 2018 19: 05
    +4
    Sling cutter,
    After the liberation of the Krasnodar Territory from the Nazi invaders, the traitors were executed in the same way .. But now they are not traitors - fighters with Bolshevism. Do you feel the difference ..? .. Good evening, my friend hi
  33. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 20 January 2018 01: 17
    +2
    On the constituent assembly and on elections to it
    The Bolsheviks held elections to the Constituent Assembly because many still believed in it, but after the bourgeois majority of the Constituent Assembly rejected the Peace Decree and the Earth Decree, the common people became disappointed in it, it became clear to them that they were neither peace nor land from the bourgeois parliament will not receive. Therefore, the Constituent Assembly could not become the cause of the civil war.
    Now, why did the bourgeois parties, and not the Bolsheviks, get the majority in the Constituent Assembly in the elections under the Soviet regime, this is what all opponents of the Soviet regime are now speculating on.
    Dialectical materialism teaches that matter is primary, and consciousness is secondary, as applied to society, it sounds like this: social being determines social consciousness. Moreover, the existence of the ruling class determines social consciousness, i.e. the ideas of the ruling class dominate society. And what ideas dominated bourgeois Russia at that time? Of course, the bourgeois.
    There was another proletarian consciousness in society, but it did not yet determine the consciousness of society, because the consciousness of millions cannot be changed in the month after the socialist revolution. So in 1917, even after the victory of the Great October Socialist Revolution, the majority of the Russian population retained bourgeois and petty-bourgeois consciousness, and therefore the majority of the population voted for the bourgeois parties.
    By the way, this is a very good illustration for those who still do not understand that the real workers' communist party will never win the elections, that even with their power the Bolsheviks did not get a majority in the elections.
    But this is not a reason for speculation that if the Bolsheviks did not receive full support during the elections to the Constituent Assembly, then their power is illegal.
    The working class comes to power just like the bourgeoisie - only through revolution. The bourgeoisie in all countries of the world, including Russia, also came to power through the revolution, so blaming the Bolsheviks is simply not logical.
    The Bolsheviks made a revolution, and gave the people Peace in the imperialist war, they gave the people the Earth, and the Bolshevik people supported, including the villagers. This is confirmed by the victory of the Soviet government in the civil war.
  34. borys
    borys 20 January 2018 19: 40
    +2
    The bakers have only one "truth" - the "evil Bolsheviks" are to blame. After all, they are
    shot a peaceful demonstration of workers on January 9, 1905. It was they who dragged Russia into the First
    World War II. It was they who made the good father-king abdicate. They arranged it
    the collapse of the army and law enforcement services after the abdication of the king. List all their sins now
    no place and time. Seriously speaking, these gentlemen simply do not have knowledge of history, logic and
    common sense.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 23 January 2018 17: 03
      0
      Quote: borys
      After all, they are
      shot a peaceful demonstration of workers on January 9, 1905

      The workers were provocateurs shooting at the troops, and further, the Bolsheviks had their "bloody Sunday", namely, "Bloody Friday" - the Bolsheviks shot the peaceful demonstration of workers on January 5, 1918.
      Quote: borys
      the collapse of the army and law enforcement services after the abdication of the king. List all their sins now

      The Bolsheviks and their henchmen decomposed the army at the front; they created the Cheka special service, though later many Chekists at the expense of their crimes.
  35. RUSS
    RUSS 23 January 2018 16: 55
    0
    Again the pseudo-historical science fiction Samsonov in the heading "History" on the VO. That’s interesting why some of the historical articles fall into the Opinion section, but Samsonov’s conclusions are exclusively in the History section, although most of his articles have nothing to do with history. Question.