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Why do Czechoslovak murderers and looters erect monuments in Russia

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The performance of the Czechoslovak Corps, organized by the Western powers, passed through an enormous territory with an iron shaft and led to a new phase of the Civil War, which was almost faded. Czechoslovakian legionaries played a major role in overthrowing the power of the Bolsheviks in the Far East, in Siberia, in the Urals and in the Volga region, and seriously contributed to the emergence and strengthening of anti-Bolshevik regimes there.


By decision of the Entente, the Czechs and Slovaks remained in Russia, turning from allies into interventionists. And nowadays, Czechoslovak murderers and marauders, who left an unkind memory in many cities and towns of Russia, put up monuments and monuments.

Intervention. Czechoslovak Corps

The military-political work of the representatives of the Entente in Russia after the conclusion of the Brest Peace was conducted in two main directions. On the one hand, the Westerners tried to create an international army under the cover of the creation of a new anti-German front with the consent of the Soviet government for the occupation of Russia and the subsequent "world revolution" and the creation of a new world order. To this end, foreign advisers and intelligence officers worked actively with Trotsky. To strengthen the international Red Army, it was supposed to land the Japanese corps in Vladivostok, the landings of the Entente in Arkhangelsk and Murmansk, to use the Czechoslovak Corps, the Chinese, etc. On the other hand, as far as possible, the Western powers provided assistance to various counter-revolutionary, anti-Bolshevik forces: white, white cossacks, nationalists, etc. The fratricidal slaughter had to bleed and weaken Russia and the Russian people as much as possible so that the Russians could not hinder the plans of the Westernizers.

However, the anti-Bolshevik forces, weak, isolated, not enjoying the support of the people, were defeated. And the plan to create an international Red Army as the core of the future "world army" of a single "world government" (after the victory of the "world revolution) failed. For his part, Lenin thwarted the policy of “balancing” between the two imperialist camps, which Trotsky conducted, solving the tasks of the masters of the West in Russia. Lenin saw that the Western powers were more dangerous than Germany, which was already losing the war, and went on a further rapprochement with the Germans. The Westerners responded with a speech by the Czechoslovak Corps, the assassination of the German ambassador Mirbach, the uprising of the Left Social Revolutionaries and the attempt on Lenin. As a result, the power in Soviet Russia was to be intercepted by Trotsky and implement the ambitious plan of the "world revolution" in the interests of the owners of the West. But all these plans were destroyed by the Russian Communists, who fought for the people's interests.

On the other hand, the predators of the world were not united. In particular, during the World War, the Japanese Empire solved its own strategic tasks - it seized the possessions of Germany in China, strengthened its positions on Chinese soil. And after the revolution in Russia, she wanted to seize the Russian Far East, all of Sakhalin and Kamchatka. The Japanese did not want to send troops deep into Russia right up to the Volga and there to clash with the Germans and Russians. In this war, they managed to abandon the “happiness” of being a cannon fodder of the West. It is clear that this irritated the United States. Washington wanted to control Russian Siberia, the Far East (with the help of Trans-Siberian Railway) and felt in Japan a dangerous competitor in the Pacific. The Americans did not want a serious strengthening of the Japanese Empire at the expense of Russia.

Therefore, Westerners stepped up their activities to help anti-Bolshevik forces. It was necessary to organize and unite the counter-revolutionary forces that were defeated under the pressure of the Reds. As the first stage of the Civil War in Russia showed, the Soviet government was strong in the center and could suppress the centers of counterrevolution and separatists in the outskirts. Anti-Bolshevik forces were scattered over a huge area, did not have serious support among the people. We needed a core, a core, with the help and under the cover of which it would be possible to organize and build up counter-revolutionary (white) forces. In addition, in the future, this battle core may become the basis of the new Eastern Front, directed against the German bloc, if the world war still continues.

The Czechoslovak Corps became such a backbone for the new organization of counter-revolutionary white forces. Thus, the armed insurrection of the Czechoslovak Corps, which broke out in the spring and summer of 1918, changed the whole picture of the outbreak of the Civil War in Russia, especially in Siberia and the Far East. It was formed at the initiative of the Union of Czechoslovak Societies in Russia in the autumn of 1917, from Czech prisoners of war and Slovaks of the Austro-Hungarian army and deployed in the rear of the Southwestern Front. The corps consisted of two infantry divisions and a reserve brigade: the commander was General V. N. Shokorov, the chief of staff was General MK Diterikhs. At first - about 30 thousand bayonets. The corps, which retained combat capability, was a powerful striking force. During the first stage of the Civil War, whites, Cossacks and Reds fought with detachments and echelons with a force of several hundred or thousands of bayonets and sabers (the period of the "echelon" war).

After October, the corps submitted to Kiev. In connection with the Brest-Litovsk negotiations of the 1918 of the year, in agreement with the Entente powers, on January 15, the Czechoslovak Corps was declared an autonomous part of the French army. When Kiev and Moscow entered into an agreement with the Germans, the corps was doomed to isolation and death. The Austrians, taking the Czechs prisoner, hung them up as traitors. Through Kiev, the Czechs withdrew to Penza, creating a problem for the Soviet government. The Czechs did not want to be part of the Red Army. And it was extremely difficult and dangerous to disband 1918 40 in the spring of 26, thous. Yes, and to attack the former allies was a shame. The French, who at that time barely restrained the last strategic offensive of the German army, asked that the corps be redeployed to France. There was a question about the transfer of the corps to Western Europe. XNUMX March in Penza, representatives of the Council of People's Commissars represented by People's Commissar for Nationalities Joseph Stalin, the Czechoslovak National Council in Russia and the Czechoslovak Corps signed an agreement according to which the Bolsheviks promised to assist in the transfer of Czech units to Vladivostok, from where they could evacuate to continue fighting France In exchange, the Czechs transferred to the Soviet government most of weapons, leaving only necessary for the protection of military echelons. Sending echelons with Czechoslovak Corps fighters proceeded extremely slowly - the first echelon, which came out of Penza from March 27, reached Vladivostok only a month later. Subsequent echelons stretched across the Trans-Sib. As a result, by the end of May 63 echelon with Czechoslovak troops (numbering more than 40 thousand people) stretched by rail from Rtishchevo station (near Penza) to Vladivostok, that is, for about 7000 kilometers.

The Czechoslovak command was hostile to the Bolsheviks, the attempts of the Soviet authorities to disarm the corps were met with the desire of the Czechoslovaks to take with them as many weapons as possible. Delay echelons and rerouting part of them led to a mutual distrust of the Soviet government and corps command. On April 21, People’s Commissar for Foreign Affairs George Chicherin sent a telegram to Krasnoyarsk demanding to suspend further movement of trains with soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps. This was done under pressure from the German ambassador, Wilhelm von Mirbach, because Germany did not want to strengthen the armies of the Entente on the Western Front. Germany put pressure on Soviet Russia, so that the Czechs would go to France as long as possible, ideally they did not even reach it. Mirbach also demanded from Chicherin the speedy evacuation of German and Austro-Hungarian prisoners of war from Siberia, fearing that they might suffer from the Czechoslovakians who were fighting to fight on the side of the Entente, and from the Japanese and British who had entered Vladivostok.

27 April Trotsky at the request of the Entente ordered to suspend the sending of the Czechs to the Far East. Their trains stopped from the Volga to the Baikal. On May 11, a meeting was held in Lloyd George’s residence in London, at which it was decided “to recommend the governments of the Entente countries not to take the Czechs out of Russia,” but to use them as “interventionist troops”. The formal reason for the uprising of the Czechoslovak Corps was the clash of Czechoslovak legionaries and Hungarians at the Chelyabinsk railway station, where the 14 of the corps and the train with prisoners of the Austro-Hungarian army were close to each other. Former subjects of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, now enemies, expressed dislike for each other in every possible way, cursed and fought. After the Czech Frantisek Duhachek was wounded by a metal object thrown at him, the legionaries beat several Hungarian prisoners of war, and Johann Malik, who threw a piece of iron, was killed with a bayonet. 17 May Chelyabinsk Council arrested several legionnaires suspected of killing Malik. Their colleagues rushed to the city center, where they seized an arsenal, cut off the telephone lines and freed the arrested legionnaires. The Czechs disarmed the local Red Guard detachment, capturing 2800 rifles and an artillery battery.

Two days later, in Chelyabinsk, which was fully controlled by the troops of the Czechoslovak Corps, a congress of Czechoslovak military delegates opened. On May 20, a meeting of delegates of the Czechoslovak Corps decided not to surrender their weapons and continue on to Vladivostok. New governing bodies were formed: the Provisional Executive Committee of the Czechoslovak Army (Chairman B. Pavlu), the Military Collegium and the Military Council (Lieutenant Colonel S. N. Voitsekhovsky, Captains R. Gaida and S. Chechek). “Of course, nothing threatened the Czechs as long as they sought to achieve their stated goal, i.e. get to Vladivostok by the Siberian railway. The Czechs were the attacking side, ”noted the well-informed General William Sydney Graves, who commanded the American occupation forces in Siberia and the Far East during the Civil War.

Contrary to the formal decision to move east, Captain Radol Gaida ordered 25 in May to the Chief of Staff of the 7 Tatarsky Regiment, Captain E. Kadlec to capture Mariinsk, and to the commander of the 1 Battalion of the 6 Regiment to capture the Chulimskaya station. 25 May Czechoslovakia captured Mariinsk. Here Trotsky again helped the invaders, not allowing the conflict that had begun to settle. On May 25, the Czechs intercepted an order from the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of Trotsky about disarming the corps, shooting at the place of every armed Czechoslovakian and imprisoning the entire Mariinsky echelon for the prisoners of war. This was a direct pretext for the immediate action of the Czechoslovak Corps against the Soviet government.

The operation began with four operational groups: the Volga, Chelyabinsk, Siberian and Vladivostok. The latter was commanded by S.N. Voitsekhovsky, a lieutenant colonel in the old Russian army (who received the rank of lieutenant-general in the Kolchak army in 1919 year). The Czechoslovakians, with the support of local white forces, seized the entire Siberian railway, from the Volga to Vladivostok. The gold reserve of Russia, later transferred to the “All-Russian” government of Admiral A. V. Kolchak, was seized in Kazan. After that, the main forces of the Czechoslovak Corps were turned to the West.

Why do Czechoslovak murderers and looters erect monuments in Russia

Czechoslovak machine gunners

Car-barracks of the Czechoslovak Corps

Killers and Marauders

Speech corps accompanied by massacres and indiscriminate robbery. On the night of 27 in May 1918, the Czechoslovakians seized Chelyabinsk and Novonikolaevsk. The next day they entered the Miass plant. The witness of these events, Alexander Kuznetsov, described their actions in this way: “May 28 at st. Miass profits Czechoslovakia. After a two-hour battle, the units of the Red Army retreated. The Czechs took them captive in the battle of the Jaunzem and Brodis sawing plant to the forest and killed them. Gorelov Fedor Yakovlevich (17 years) who was captured was hanged, he was executed by a platoon of Czechs for rude treatment of a convoy, threatened to avenge his comrades killed in battle. On the same day, the legionaries took Nizhneudinsk. They arrested the military commissar and chairman of the Revolutionary Tribunal V. A. Kakoulin and almost the entire composition of the Nizhneudinsk Council (A. S. Gorensky, R. Ya. Shneerson, P. V. Labeev, A. G. Straus, K. M. Petrashkevich, D. A. Kashik, N. F. Yamanov, Lebedev and others). On the morning of June 18, after the 20 days of torture and bullying, they were shot.

29 May after a two-day bloody battle legionnaires captured Penza, as well as Kansk and Syzran. “After the battle, Penza became“ pockmarked, ”especially the upper floors of houses, the eyewitness testified. - Bullet holes in the buildings. Many were like a sieve. The streets seemed entangled in a metallic web. Bundles of torn telegraph and telephone wires dragged along the sidewalks, hanging down from the tilted or completely collapsed pillars. At the torn fence of Lermontovsky Park, against the district court, the curious looked at uncleared corpses, bloody splashes on the destroyed pillars ”. After the victory, the legionnaires mercilessly dealt with the soldiers of the 1 of the Czechoslovak Revolutionary Regiment. The former fellow soldiers and countrymen who were captured were beaten and shot. Also robbed the city military and food warehouses, shops, houses of the inhabitants until the evening.

On May 31, the legionnaires captured Petropavlovsk, where 20 members of the local Soviet and four Czech internationalists were shot dead. On the same day, the Czechs took Tomsk and Taiga, and June 2 - Kurgan. June 8 Legionnaires captured Samara. Within a few days, hundreds of Red Army men and workers were shot dead in the city and its environs. Immediately began the formation of counter-revolutionary centers of power and strength. June 8 in Samara, liberated from the Bolsheviks, created the first alternative to the communist government after the October Revolution - the Committee of Members of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly (Comm). It included five Social Revolutionaries who did not recognize the January decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on dispersing the meeting and found themselves in Samara at that time: Vladimir Volsky, who became the chairman of the committee, Ivan Brushvit, Prokopy Klimushkin, Boris Fortunatov and Ivan Nesterov. The Committee, on behalf of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, proclaimed itself the temporary supreme power in the country until a new meeting was convened and, in cooperation with the Czechoslovak Legion, began to form its own army, called Narodnaya, to fight the Bolsheviks. Already on June 9, the 1 volunteer Samara squad of 350 men was formed. The squad included two infantry companies, a cavalry squadron, a horse battery and a subversive team. The commander of the squad became Lieutenant Colonel General Staff Vladimir Kappel.

9 June Czechoslovakia captured Omsk, 14 June - Barnaul, 17 June - Achinsk, 18 June - Troitsk. Menshevik S. Moravsky recalled: “At about five o'clock in the morning on 18 on June 1918, the city of Troitsk was in the hands of the Czechoslovakians. Immediately began the massacres of the remaining Communists, Red Army soldiers and sympathizers of the Soviet government. A crowd of merchants, intellectuals and priests walked with the Czechoslovakians through the streets and pointed to the communists and co-workers, whom the Czechs immediately killed. About 7 in the morning on the day of the occupation of the city I was in the city and from the mill to the hotel of Bashkirov, no more than one mile away, I counted about 50 corpses tortured, disfigured and robbed. The killings lasted two days, and, according to the staff captain Moskvichev, a garrison officer, the number of those who were tortured numbered at least a thousand. ”

20 June Czechs seized power in Vladivostok. By this time there were about 15 thousand people here. Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Vladivostok Council K. A. Sukhanov and other members of the Council - the Bolsheviks - were shot. The city duma came to power, in which the right-wing socialist revolutionaries (Social Revolutionaries) and the Mensheviks had the most seats. 6 July, the interventionists declared the port city, where the Provisional Government of Autonomous Siberia settled, and then the so-called Business Cabinet (created in the summer of 1918, in the Chinese city of Harbin, by the CEL general DL Horvath) under the protectorate of the Allied powers of the Entente. Vladivostok troops of the Czechoslovak Corps launched an offensive to the north of Primorye, but unexpectedly faced strong resistance from the Red Guard and partisan detachments. Under the city of Nikolsk-Ussuri formed the so-called Ussuri front.

These are just a few stories. There are a lot of such evidence and facts. The interventionists organized a new wave of murder, terror, violence and looting in Russia. At the same time, the Czechoslovak legionaries did not hesitate to rob their former liberators from captivity and allies. Not only common people and reds, but also whites responded with indignation and hatred about legionaries. In particular, Lieutenant-General Alexei Budberg, head of the government ministry in the government of Alexander Kolchak, wrote: “Now the Czechs are carrying around 600 loaded wagons, very carefully guarded ... according to counterintelligence data, these cars are filled with machines, machines, precious metals, paintings, various valuable furniture and utensils and other goods collected in the Urals and Siberia. ”

Another Kolchak general, Konstantin Sakharov, quoted the newspaper Delo Rossii, which wrote in 1920 year: “Having departed to the rear, the Czechs began to squeeze their military booty there too. The latter struck not only with its quantity, but also with its variety. What, what just did not have the Czechs. Their warehouses were bursting with a huge amount of Russian uniforms, weapons, cloth, food supplies and shoes. Not content with requisitioning state-owned warehouses and state-owned property, the Czechs began to take away everything that came to hand, completely disregarding who owned the property. Metals, all sorts of raw materials, valuable cars, thoroughbred horses were declared Czechs military booty. Some of the medications they collected were worth over three million gold rubles, rubber for 40 million rubles, a huge amount of copper was removed from the Tyumen district, etc. The Czechs did not hesitate to declare their prize even the library and laboratory of Perm University. The exact amount of stolen Czechs can not even be counted. By the most conservative estimate, this kind of contribution cost the Russian people many hundreds of millions of rubles and significantly exceeded the contribution made by the Prussians to France in 1871. Part of this production was the subject of open sale and sale to the market at inflated prices, part was loaded into cars and is intended for shipment to the Czech Republic. "

As a result, the loot in Russia, gold, silver, various values, equipment and goods allowed the Czechs to create the basis for their state - Czechoslovakia.


Armored train "Orlik". Penza group Czechoslovakia. Ufa, July 1918 of the year

"Kind" memory of murderers and robbers in Russia

It is surprising that since 1991, Russia has been honoring not only war criminals among whites like Admiral Kolchak, but also Czechoslovak legionaries who have left a very unkind memory in Soviet Russia. For example, the Ministry of Defense of the Czech Republic is implementing its “Legion 100” project in Russia, erecting monuments to the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps who died during the years of the Civil War. In total, the installation of 58 monuments is planned in the territory of the Russian Federation. Some of them have already been erected.

October 20 The 2011 of the year in Chelyabinsk at the station square with the participation of the ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of the Czech Republic to Russia, Peter Kolary, and other Czech, as well as Slovak and Russian officials, solemnly unveiled a monument to Czech legionnaires. A year later, the monument appeared in Kungur on the territory of the historical landscape complex "Ascension Necropolis". Today, monuments to legionnaires have been erected in other cities. Moreover, if part of the memorial signs were erected in cemeteries, what else can be understood, then in Chelyabinsk, Penza, Pugachev and Upper Uslon they are in public places.

The inscriptions on the monuments are also interesting. It is said on the monument in Chelyabinsk: “Czechoslovak soldiers, brave fighters for the freedom and independence of their land, Russia and all Slavs are buried here. In the brotherly land gave their lives for the revival of humanity. Expose the heads before the grave of the heroes. ” Immediately there are questions to the Russian authorities and officials: why “for the freedom and independence of their land, Russia,” the legionnaires fought under the command of the Western powers, the former enemies of Russia and the Russian people? They were invaders, invaders in the Russian land, realizing the strategic objectives of our enemies. And what about the “exploits” of legionnaires and other interventionists — mass terror, the killing of prisoners and rebel peasants, robbery and violence?

Thus, after the uprising of the Czechoslovak Corps (which began at the direction of the masters of the West), the Civil War received a new powerful impetus. As a result, Russia suffered huge human and material losses. And the glorification, the glorification of Czech legionaries in modern Russia is a betrayal of our ancestors, who washed with blood in the struggle against external and internal enemies of Russia and the Russian people.


The central monument of the pantheon of legionnaires in Vladivostok
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  1. apro
    apro 30 May 2018 05: 52
    +9
    Why are they erecting monuments? Why not. These are persistent wrestlers with the Jewish Bolsheviks along with the red. Mannerheim. Kolchaks. Today their last brothers won and their memory must be immortalized. The realities have changed a bit ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 May 2018 07: 20
      +22
      Why do they put up such monuments? Because there is a vile and deceitful theory of reconciliation. Opponents of socialism do not want to reconcile at all, which follows from the installation of these monuments to the murderers.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 30 May 2018 08: 38
        +4
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Opponents of socialism do not want to be reconciled at all

        With whom to reconcile? There is almost no one yes
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 May 2018 09: 09
          +8
          Quote: Olgovich
          With whom to reconcile? There is almost no one yes
          You, Olgovich, do not live in Russia. So do not hear such words in modern programs sometimes. On the other hand, why listen to nonsense. They haven’t lost anything
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 30 May 2018 17: 09
          -1
          You think so?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 May 2018 06: 35
            +2
            Quote: Seeker
            You think so?

            Everyone knows this. Except for those who are looking for what has sunk into oblivion. lol
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 30 May 2018 12: 08
        +9
        strongly looks like idiocy or betrayal, especially considering what happens to the monuments to our fallen during the liberation of this eastern Europe ((this is how you have to be cattle in order to give permission for the monuments to the inhumane who killed your ancestors negative
        1. dSK
          dSK 30 May 2018 21: 14
          +5
          Quote: Warrior with machine gun
          this is what you need to be ....
          No words, the censor will not miss. But dear historians, some same name signed the permit, approved the installation location (even if the Czechs funded it) - publish it in good faith, people want to know their "heroes".
    2. dSK
      dSK 30 May 2018 07: 33
      +2
      Quote: apro
      realities have changed somewhat ...

      What has changed? Masonic "classic":
      The fratricidal massacre was supposed to bleed as much as possible, weaken Russia and the Russian people, so that the Russians could not interfere with the plans of the Westerners.
      Nobles, those in power, Christians who have forgotten the commandments of Christ:
      'Who's the faithful and discreet slave whom his master set over his servants to give them food in time? Blessed is that slave whom his master, having come, will find doing so; Verily I say unto you, that he shall put him over all his possessions.
      If the slave Being angry, he will say in his heart: My lord will not come soon, and will begin to beat his comrades and eat and drink with drunkards - that will come the lord of the slave on a day on which he does not expect, and on an hour on which he does not think, and will cut him and expose him to the same fate as the hypocrites; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
      (Matthew 24: 44-51)
      I have experienced this on my sinful skin more than once.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 30 May 2018 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: apro
      krasnovymi red.manergeymami.kolchakami.today their last conquerors and it is necessary to perpetuate their memory. realities have changed somewhat ...

      Again, some cliches, for example, the last Mannerheim who is this? Finns? And who is Krasnov’s after-war?
      All Cossacks in the ROA were shot or shut down for decades. Rather, the last followers of the Bolshevik Vlasov are now alive as many have served and left under Khrushchev.
      1. cost
        cost 30 May 2018 20: 47
        +2
        The article surprised me. Thanks to the author. I did not even suspect that we had such monuments.
        Apparently, their creators believe that we had few heroes in our history.
    4. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 15 August 2018 22: 09
      -2
      Regarding enemies and defenders.
      You try to imagine that armed people come to you (house, peasant's yard, estate), take property, bread to the last crumbs, embrace you as an enemy and send you to Igarka or Karelia with all minors and old people. (In most cases, death is for everyone a couple of years) ... Why not look from this side, but the position of landless peasants is driven in, so Stolypin gave the land as much as you plow, but the landless did not want to plow - whoever worked did not live in poverty and had his own land ... They repressed the workers, and created collective farms, and showed landless land that was free of charge for good reason ... But as a conclusion, the Bolsheviks need an excuse to destroy a natural enemy who is self-conscious and defends his rights as a citizen, and lumpen - urban and rural , erratic, hunting for someone else's, and only an excuse and expenditure for the Bolshevik-Trotskyists, Leninists to maintain power and in the conquest of other states ....
  2. Vard
    Vard 30 May 2018 06: 11
    +8
    We in Novokuybyshevsk at the Lipyagi station wanted to erect a monument to this .... Just next to the monument to those whom they shot then ... Thank God, they fought back ... Then the Czechs were not against the Bolsheviks .. And against Russia ....
  3. gorenina91
    gorenina91 30 May 2018 06: 28
    +10
    -You read here ... about these vile Czechoslovak legionnaires and I just want to spit ...

    - Russia wasn’t lucky ... -first it took and chose some miserable operetny admiral Kolchak as commander-in-chief .. who was more interested in cupid affairs with his passion Timireva ... -Ah, yes ... -It seems to be refused to compromise, as it were, and allegedly advocated for the territorial integrity of the Republic of Ingushetia ... -But all this remained in the "great patriotic phrases" ...
    -And in fact ..?
    -And in fact ... to whom only Kolchak did not obey and to whom only he did not subservient ... -It is simply incomprehensible to the mind ...- how are Czechoslovakians (even well-armed and disciplined) in trains stretched almost a thousand kilometers, thousands of kilometers from its Czech Republic, in the very center of Russia ...- without a rear, or any rear supply (neither food, nor weapons) ...- suddenly captured a huge Russian territory .., where Kolchak’s huge army was at that moment .. ?????? Yes, and even the Czechs created their own “counterintelligence police,” which could arrest literally any Kolchak officer (not to mention civilians) and ... and shoot him at their discretion ... -Yes more ...- the Czechs captured the entire Golden Reserve of the Russian Empire ... -And how could this happen .. ??? - Indeed, in the Siberian cities captured by Czechs there were ridiculously small Czech garrisons ... -the main part of the Czechs sat on trains that were stretched over a great distance ... -from this they were absolutely vulnerable ... -they could very easily to neutralize (to fill up or disassemble the railway rails, etc. ...) and to capture and disarm .., or even ...- to force to fight on their side ... -that events did not take place in Czechoslovakia, but in the center Russia ... -What was going on ..?
    -And then a French Jew came to Siberia ... - a certain General Janin, who literally became a “curator” for the slobbery Kolchak (and where his “patriotic gestures” had just gone) ...
    -By the way, say ...- appear in the place of Kolchak another leader ...- everything could go differently ...
    -Yes ... -the same K.G. Mannerheim ... -also the former tsarist Russian general .. who literally from nothing in Finland, quite "not advanced" at that time, was able to create combat-ready military units and suppress revolutionary unrest and not let the civil war erupt in Finland ... -So it was Finland ...
    -You can only imagine what Mannerheim could do with such a military potential and the capabilities that Kolchak owned ... -It’s for sure to Czechoslovakians ... -It would quickly turn my heads away ... -and not a single car with Russian gold RI wouldn’t go anywhere ... -Yes, what can I say ...
    -Kolchak and the entire Kolchak movement and all this marauding "Czechoslovak escort" ... is a complete shame for Russia ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 May 2018 17: 46
      +3
      Quote: gorenina91
      You read here ... about these vile Czechoslovak legionnaires and just want to spit ...

      Do you want to spit on Bel Kun? In honor of this Hungarian scum named streets in Russian cities!
  4. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 30 May 2018 06: 30
    +9
    Why do Czechoslovak murderers and looters erect monuments in Russia

    Back in Soviet times, a museum was opened in Bugulma to a Czechoslovak killer and a looter, a Russian tanker was also named after this bastard of the street.
    Does this bother the author?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 May 2018 08: 49
      +6
      Quote: Puncher
      the museum was opened in Bugulma to a Czechoslovakian killer and looter, a Russian tanker was also named after this bastard of the street.

      This, apparently, was the right killer. Though an alcoholic.
    2. Siberian 63
      Siberian 63 30 May 2018 10: 33
      +3
      it is from your point of view, petty, because. even the names of this Czech were afraid to write.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 30 May 2018 22: 43
        +2
        Quote: sibiryak 63
        even the names of this Czech were afraid to write.

        and so everyone knows. The writer is very talented - but there were few scum among talented writers!
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 31 May 2018 04: 04
        +1
        Quote: sibiryak 63
        even the names of this Czech were afraid to write.

        ? I just pointed out his name, and the name is clear.
    3. tank66
      tank66 30 May 2018 12: 29
      +9
      You are not Hasek. He is worthy of 100 gurus for your Schweik, in the land of Good Hunt. It’s better to spend your indignation on the destruction of the Home Credit offices - a derivative of the Bank of Legionnaires - who was born into “captured” Russian gold, and still robbing Russia.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 May 2018 06: 30
    +11
    By the decision of the Entente, Czechs and Slovaks remained in Russia, turning from allies to interventionists.
    1. The Czechs did not change: as they were opponents of Germany, they remained. Even after Brest, the Czechs continued to fight with the Germans in Ukraine.
    But the usurpers of power in Russia turned it from an adversary of Germany into a practically ally. There would have been no such coup and betrayal of Brest; there would have been no intervention and the Czechoslovak problem. This is the main thing.

    2. The conflict itself arose because of the provocations of the Bolsheviks: the Czechs had an order and a desire to leave for France, to continue the struggle with the Germans. But they were embroiled in turmoil, and GV is dirt and offenses from all sides.
    3. The Czech monument, of course, is not needed; they left different memory .....
    subsequent "world revolution"
    creating a new world order. For this Foreign advisers and intelligence agents actively worked with Trotsky. To strengthen the international Red Army, it was proposed to land Japanese corps in Vladivostok, the Entente landing forces in Arkhangelsk and Murmansk, and

    Oh, the alternative go! NAMES foreign advisers and special services-have? As well as documents confirming this. But no ....
    On June 20, the Czechs seized power in Vladivostok. By this time there were about 15 thousand people here. The chairman of the executive committee of the Vladivostok Council K. A. Sukhanov and other members of the council - the Bolsheviks - were shot. The city duma came to power, in which most of the seats were right-wing socialists, revolutionaries (Socialist Revolutionaries) and Mensheviks.

    One detail: The Duma was previously elected by universal suffrage, unlike the unselected Bolsheviks ...
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 30 May 2018 08: 13
      +6
      Dear Olgovich! This is one of your rare comments that is hard to disagree with. The Czechs in that difficult period were abandoned by everyone and survived as best they could. So it's hard to blame them for wanting to leave quietly. It so happened that both white and red interfered with this.
      PS For the gifted, the Reds are not only the Bolsheviks. Like white, not only the bakers.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 30 May 2018 11: 21
        +9
        Quote: Nehist
        Czechs in that difficult period turned out to be abandoned by everyone and survived as best they could. So it's hard to blame them for wanting to leave quietly. It so happened that both white and red interfered with this.



        I sob into the voice. What a pity the poor, miserable, abandoned by all Czechs. Only now there is vague doubt "the desire to leave calmly" and 600 wagons with the loot ... oops, not tolerant ... seized as moral compensation for the suffering
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 30 May 2018 23: 06
          +2
          But doesn’t it bother you that for the transportation of the division generally about 3 thousand wagons are required? No? Well then go check the mate part for a start and how these 600 cars drove around the Trans-Siberian Railway back and forth
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 30 May 2018 23: 43
            0
            Quote: Nehist
            But doesn’t it bother you that for the transportation of the division generally about 3 thousand wagons are required? No? Well then go check the mate part for a start and how these 600 wagons ganals round-trip Trans-Siberian Railway



            "Ganyali" from the word "ganba"? I understand that materiel is sacred. You studied it far and wide. And the number of cars per division is important knowledge. Logistics ... But, as you let go, take a Russian language textbook. This is more important than any equipment.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 31 May 2018 05: 38
              +1
              As always, when there is nothing to argue holding to spelling ?!))) Well, did I have three in Russian? Or are you still interested in something else?
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 31 May 2018 09: 41
                0
                Quote: Nehist
                As always, when there is nothing to argue holding to spelling ?!))) Well, did I have three in Russian? Or are you still interested in something else?


                Why nothing? Where did the figure of 3000 cars come from?
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 31 May 2018 10: 55
                  0
                  Read the WWII Encyclopedia; there is a section on railway transportation there. REFERENCES OF THE CHIEF OF MILITARY REPORTS OF THE RED ARMY are interesting there.
                  For transportation of only l / s 78sd, 40 echelons of each 60 wagons were used
                  1. sergo1914
                    sergo1914 31 May 2018 13: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Nehist
                    Read the WWII Encyclopedia; there is a section on railway transportation there. REFERENCES OF THE CHIEF OF MILITARY REPORTS OF THE RED ARMY are interesting there.
                    For transportation of only l / s 78sd, 40 echelons of each 60 wagons were used


                    What year standards?
                    1. Nehist
                      Nehist 31 May 2018 16: 07
                      0
                      The outbreak of the war 1941 The division was staffed in 1940.
                      Now, think for yourself how many cars were needed for almost 50 thousand Czechs with weapons and artillery for a quiet evacuation.
                      For the Wehrmacht infantry division, 52 echelons of 60 wagons were required
                      1. sergo1914
                        sergo1914 1 June 2018 09: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Nehist
                        The outbreak of the war 1941 The division was staffed in 1940.
                        Now, think for yourself how many cars were needed for almost 50 thousand Czechs with weapons and artillery for a quiet evacuation.
                        For the Wehrmacht infantry division, 52 echelons of 60 wagons were required


                        So these are the norms of 1941. With MTO 1941. And in the courtyard of 1918. The strength, material, etc. are completely different. In 3000 cars, by the standards of 1918, personnel with harems can be carried.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 30 May 2018 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      NAMES foreign advisers and intelligence officers - have?

      Do you know that the Comintern was dissolved (but not destroyed) by Stalin only in the 1943 year?
      Quote: Olgovich
      The Duma was previously elected by universal secret ballot, unlike the unselected Bolsheviks ...

      Do you know what the chairman of the Duma Tsereteli shouted about and what did Lenin answer him?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 30 May 2018 08: 55
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you know that the Comintern was dissolved (but not destroyed) by Stalin only in the 1943 year?

        And?
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you know what the chairman of the Duma Tsereteli shouted about and what did Lenin answer him?

        Lenin was NEVER in Vladivostok (and we are talking about the Vladivostok Duma). .He in Russia was practically nowhere ANYWHERE, unlike Europe.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 May 2018 10: 13
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          Lenin was NEVER in Vladivostok

          Revolutions always take place in capitals. Outskirts take power or are forced to do so.
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 30 May 2018 08: 31
      +10
      I agree with you, dear Olgovich! An article by a person who knows history causes only bitter laughter, due to desperate attempts to distort the real course of events.
      Quote: Olgovich
      and led to a new phase of the Civil War, which was almost extinct.

      The author, apparently, is not aware that by the time of the uprising of the Czechoslovak corps in southern Russia, the Don Cossacks and the Volunteer Army were fighting in full force against the Bolshevik fans.
      [quote = OlgovichThe fratricidal massacre was supposed to bleed as much as possible, weaken Russia and the Russian people, so that the Russians could not interfere with the plans of the Westerners. [/ quote]
      Enchanting nonsense. Western countries are not a monolithic bloc, but a conglomerate of states with their own interests. And different states supported different participants in the Civil War. Germany — its ancillaries — the Bolsheviks, and the Entente’s countries — whites, as the continuation of the cause of Russia in the struggle against the German bloc.
      Lenin saw that the Western powers were more dangerous than Germany, which was already losing the war, and went on to further rapprochement with the Germans.

      Tremendous arrogance — to give cooperation with the enemy for good. In this manner, Mr. Samsonov and General Vlasov will be recorded as heroes.
      as a result, Trotsky was to seize power in Soviet Russia and implement the grandiose plan of the “world revolution” in the interests of the masters of the West.

      Rave. Ulyanov was the same adherent of the “world revolution” as the rest of the Bolshevik elite, as proof of which there are numerous places in the letters and works of this man, where he discusses this revolution.
      . But all these plans were destroyed by the Russian Communists, who fought for national interests.

      Just a masterpiece of fiction. The communists were not Russian — they were "internationalists." And so they fought for “people's interests” that the people themselves rebelled against them with anti-communist slogans throughout the entire period of the Great Patriotic War.
      1. Siberian 63
        Siberian 63 30 May 2018 10: 38
        0
        smacks of nationalism.
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 30 May 2018 16: 52
          +2
          there were such savages, what does nationalism have to do with it?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 30 May 2018 11: 11
        +8
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        The communists were not Russian

        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 30 May 2018 12: 24
          +7
          I remembered a joke: During a trip to the USSR, Kissinger asked Soviet correspondent Valentin Zorin if he was a Jew. Zorin proudly says:
          "I am Russian!"
          "And I'm American," Kissinger replies.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 30 May 2018 18: 48
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The communists were not Russian


          And there was also a Russian Swede Bellingshausen, a Russian Frenchman De Tolly and my ancestor, a Russian Pole, a general buried in the Alexander Nevsky Lavra.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 30 May 2018 22: 45
            +2
            Quote: Doliva63
            Russian Frenchman De Tolly

            he’s actually a German with Scottish roots. But in this case it is not so important
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 30 May 2018 22: 51
          +5
          Yes, Stalin had the intelligence to return to national roots - well, it was only at the beginning of World War II! But this does not negate the lieutenance of Lieutenant Teterin about the fact that during the Civil War
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The Communists were not Russian — they were “internationalists”

          But under the king it was the other way around:
          Emperor Nicholas I once at a court ball asked the Marquis of Astolf de Custine, who was fleeing the French Revolution in Russia:

          “Marquis, do you think there are many Russians in this room?”
          “All but me and foreign ambassadors, Your Majesty!”
          -You're wrong. This one of mine is a Pole, a German. There are two generals - they are Georgians. This courtier is a Tatar, here is a Finn, and there is a baptized Jew.
          “Then where are the Russians?” Asked Custine.
          —But all together they are Russians!
      3. Hantengri
        Hantengri 30 May 2018 19: 55
        +2
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        The Communists were not Russian — they were "internationalists."

        Those. In your opinion, Russian cannot be internationalist, by definition? Strange ... It smacks of Nazism.
        Maybe you should decide on the definition of internationalism?
        Bolsheviks, i.e. VIL, defined internationalism (proletarian) something like this:
        For different nations to coexist freely and peacefully together or diverge (when it is more convenient for them), to form different states, this requires full democracy, upheld by the working class. Not a single privilege for a single nation, not a single language! Not the slightest oppression, not the slightest injustice to a national minority! - these are the principles of workers' democracy.

        The capitalists and landlords at all costs want to separate the workers of different nations, and the powers that be are coexisting perfectly together, like the shareholders of the "profitable" millionth "affairs" (like Lena goldfields) - Orthodox and Jews, and Russians and Germans, and Poles and Ukrainians, all who have capital, together exploit the workers of all nations.

        The class-conscious workers stand for the complete unity of the workers of all nations in all and all sorts of educational, professional, political, and so on workers' organizations ...

        V.I. Lenin, MSS, t.23 p. 150

        I wonder what sense you, lieutenant, put into this concept, speaking about the incompatibility of "Russianness" and "internationalism" (well, or the one who put this one in your brain. laughing )?
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 31 May 2018 12: 43
          +1
          Quote: HanTengri
          Not the slightest oppression, not the slightest injustice to a national minority! - these are the principles of workers' democracy.


          Yeah, but huge injustices and oppression of the national majority
  6. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 30 May 2018 06: 41
    +9
    am At this pace, we will soon erect monuments to the English, American, French and Japanese interventionists during the Civil War period. In fact, the Czechs are no different from them.
  7. Adjutant
    Adjutant 30 May 2018 07: 11
    +6
    Why put - it's hard to say. Maybe power itself is tied to the west? ...
    The rebellion of the Czechs inflamed, as far as I read, such a case.
    Czechs fiercely hate Hungarians. The Czechs, despite orders, were not disarmed. And once, a young Hungarian prisoner from a passing train ejected an iron block wounding a Czech who was standing on the platform. They stopped the entire train, and, despite the explanations, they brought the Hungarians out and stabbed them with bayonets.
    Well, then off and on, went, unbelted. In general, the uprising of the ChSK was only a catalyst, the ground was ready, including (to be honest) the decisions of the new government, and the fact that many military universities and institutions were concentrated in the region and the disbanded were allotted (it is not clear why and why) formations of the old army.
    It spread, and flared up.
    The people of the Czechs are of course vile - giving once (Austrians), because they will give and the second (Russians). Well, and those who put vile monuments ... Okay, I will not continue))
    I agree with Olgovich
    And history is history, but not everyone is worth perpetuating.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 30 May 2018 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: Adjutant
      Czechs fiercely hate Hungarians

      "It’s bad, you brother, Magyars! You’ll see how I’ll crack it!" Said sapper Vodichka "(c)" Adventures of the brave soldier Schweik "J. Hasek.
      It was written in the wake of the imperialist war. And although the "Adventures" are fiction, nonetheless. they give an excellent picture of the relationship in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, who were friends with whom, who loved whom.

      In, damn it, I didn’t understand ... Who sent me to the states? There was no such agreement, in Russia I, in Russia
  8. Altona
    Altona 30 May 2018 07: 26
    +13
    Quote: Olgovich
    But the usurpers of power in Russia turned it from an adversary of Germany into a practically ally. There would have been no such coup and betrayal of Brest; there would have been no intervention and the Czechoslovak problem. This is the main thing.

    ----------------------------
    Who is the usurper? This is you, the usurper of truth. The usurper was the Provisional Government; no one authorized him. And the Soviets were the elected government. And there’s nothing to belch out the crumbs of French rolls.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 30 May 2018 08: 39
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      The usurper was the Provisional Government; no one authorized him.


      I do not want to upset you, but the Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich transferred powers to the Provisional Government, who in turn received it from Emperor Nicholas II. Yes, one can argue about the legitimacy of the Emperor’s abdication, about whether his expression of will was free, but ... the fact remains: the VP had a document in his hands, transferring authority from the legal ruler. That is, at least the appearance of continuity of power in the EaP was. In contrast to councils that were "elected" by limited groups of people according to their narrow social interests. And the Bolshevik “government” itself completely seized power with an armed uprising, as terrorists in the Middle East are now seizing it.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 May 2018 11: 24
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Who is the usurper?

      rsdrpbe.
      Quote: Altona
      This is you, the usurper of truth.

      Not spoken in Russian request
      Quote: Altona
      The usurper was the Provisional Government, no one authorized him.

      belay lol
      It was empowered by EVERYTHING: both Emperors, the elected State Duma and, remember, finally, TIPS
      And the Soviets were the elected government.
      lol Elections to councils are NOT universal, unequal, secret, indirect, not free. That is, this is NOT an election.
      What is not clear?
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 30 May 2018 16: 53
        +2
        Is this one headed by a thoroughbred Kerensky transvestite ?:
  9. Altona
    Altona 30 May 2018 07: 28
    +7
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Because there is a vile and deceitful theory of reconciliation. Opponents of socialism do not want to reconcile at all, which follows from the installation of these monuments to the murderers.

    -----------------------
    Because it is advantageous for the bourgeoisie to cross out the period of the USSR altogether.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 30 May 2018 16: 54
      +1
      to delete everything and all
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 30 May 2018 18: 51
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Because there is a vile and deceitful theory of reconciliation. Opponents of socialism do not want to reconcile at all, which follows from the installation of these monuments to the murderers.

      -----------------------
      Because it is advantageous for the bourgeoisie to cross out the period of the USSR altogether.

      While we are alive - to hell with them! am
  10. bober1982
    bober1982 30 May 2018 07: 37
    +10
    First, an article is published that says (in the title) that the Czechs ’performance was the beginning of the Civil War, now there is an article that says that the Czechs’ performance was a new stage in the decayed Civil War
    Interestingly, the next article will talk.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      First, an article appears that says (in the title) that the Czechs ’performance was the beginning of the Civil War, now an article appears that the Czechs’ performance was a new stage in the decaying Civil War


      The author is not embarrassed to "attract the donkey by the ears
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 May 2018 11: 31
      +6
      Quote: bober1982
      First, an article appears that says (in the title) that the Czechs ’performance was the beginning of the Civil War, now an article appears that the Czechs’ performance was a new stage in the decaying Civil War

      Also drew attention to these absurdities.
      And the Bolsheviks recognized the war as war in their decree on the leaders of war still November 1917
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 30 May 2018 11: 58
        +5
        Chekhov was dragged into this whole massacre, as a result of which they lost their human appearance, and the Czechs were no squirrels - neither for the Reds, nor for the Whites, on their own. By the way, they also handed over Kolchak.
        Vladimir Maksimov in the USSR (before the collapse) published an art book Star of Admiral Kolchak , then Kolchak’s interrogation protocols aroused interest in the book (selectively)
        But the book expressed a rather curious idea regarding the Czech legionnaires, namely, how mass clouding of people’s consciousness could occur. This concerned Czechs, that is, what happened — there were decent people in the pre-war life, quiet family life, children, wife , dumplings with mushrooms, etc. What happened then - they ceased to resemble people (pogroms, robberies, murders)
        In my opinion, this applies not only to the Czechs.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 30 May 2018 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      First, an article is published that says (in the title) that the Czechs ’performance was the beginning of the Civil War, now there is an article that says that the Czechs’ performance was a new stage in the decayed Civil War
      Interestingly, the next article will talk.

      Good question! We wait....
    4. Hantengri
      Hantengri 30 May 2018 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: bober1982
      Interestingly, the next article will talk.

      Apparently, it will come to one of 5-8’s heads (it’s hard to count for sure) hired by the hero. Samsonov, for a small share, on the stock exchange of copyright, "blacks". lol Or, if Mr. Samsonov, nevertheless, really suffers from a dissociative disorder of identity (multiple personality), that which spills his next hypostasis, which went into the "circle of light."
  11. akunin
    akunin 30 May 2018 08: 45
    +5
    the suppression of the Prague spring is remembered by everyone, but the white whales have been forgotten. Often all Czechs, Poles and other Basurmans need to be reminded that their place is near the push.
  12. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 09: 11
    +5
    solving in Russia the tasks of the masters of the West


    Yes, already indicate by name who these mysterious and treacherous "masters of the West" are - a new foggy, vague term in history
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 May 2018 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Yes, indicate already by name who these mysterious and treacherous "masters of the West"

      Yes please:

      On a large scale: http://ifotohost.com/pic/345/6hupvr.jpg
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 10: 28
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        Yes, indicate already by name who these mysterious and treacherous "masters of the West"
        Please:


        A clear diagram - Jews and especially the rich are to blame for everything :))
        No different from the views of the Black Hundreds 100 years ago or more, who organized Jewish pogroms. Only the little scheme has become a little more complicated - a primitive understanding of world processes.
        I want to have a “clear” single center - which is easy to hate? You exaggerate the influence of the Jewish lobby, even on US policy :)
        However, the primitive shemka does not take into account many other lobbying centers.
        Political alliances are not permanent and do not constitute a single center.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 May 2018 10: 31
          +2
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          A clear diagram - Jews and especially the rich are to blame for everything :))

          Not. Jews are using. Money is not the goal. Money is a management tool. Jews act as the owner’s wallet.
          However, the primitive shemka does not take into account many other centers

          If you know everything, then why ask?
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 10: 37
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            No. Jews are using. Money is not the goal. Money is a management tool.


            Power (legislation court army police special services) - management tool.
            Money, by itself, has no value. Resources have value and production capacity.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 30 May 2018 10: 42
              +1
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              Power (legislation court army police special services) - management tool.

              There is also a higher power of God, conceptual power, ideological power, etc. The lowest authority is always subordinate to the highest.

              Quote: DimerVladimer
              Money, by itself, has no value.

              Money is (at least should be) the equivalent of everything you wrote below. Currently, money is turned into a tool of enslavement.
              1. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 11: 07
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                There is also a higher power of God, conceptual power, ideological power, etc. The lowest authority is always subordinate to the highest.


                Again, a mistake in the scheme - judicial executive and legislative power - are incorrectly indicated on the scheme (by subordinates) - these are parallel divided branches of government - having non-overlapping functions (as it was thought - we are not talking about modern Russia :)).
                Ideological power is generally something from the category of media propaganda — the less a person is educated — the more he is defeated by propaganda.
                People who are educated, able to think, analyze, and have access to many sources of information are rarely influenced by ideologies.
                They tend to adhere to universal values.

                In general, the scheme for the C grade - it is clear that the person who was painting it, heard something, read something, but how it works - he imagined it was fundamentally wrong.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 30 May 2018 12: 43
                  0
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  judicial executive and legislative power - are not correctly indicated (by subordinates) on the diagram - these are parallel divided branches of government - having non-overlapping functions

                  Who do you think is the boss for whom: the one who writes laws or the one who enforces them? For the executive branch, as well as for the judicial branch, the head is the legislative branch, which determines the scope of their duties.
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  Ideological power is generally something from the category of media

                  The media is only one of the tools of ideological power. The purpose of ideological power is to present the immoral concept in an acceptable light for the majority of the population. The carriers of ideological power are parties.
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  People who are educated, able to think, analyze, and have access to many sources of information are rarely influenced by ideologies.

                  Have you heard about the 10 commandments? And probably trying to comply with them? but say that this is not about you. And by the way. Are you for the red or the white? Or are you for migrants? And on the basis of what do you take this or that side?
                  Here's another, more recent, my drawing:
                  1. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 31 May 2018 10: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Have you heard about the 10 commandments? And probably trying to comply with them? but say that this is not about you.


                    10 commandments, summed up what was millennia before the Old Testament established by the laws of the clan, clan relations - yes there were various deviations in the formation of the patriarchal power - the first states. 10 commandments, this is an attempt to provide the basis for the values ​​that humanity has lived for millennia before the usurpers of power (pharaohs, kings, emperors, tyrants, lifelong and irremovable presidents - the elite who transferred power on the basis of heredity.

                    Of course, I learned about the commandments when I was still a child, but I never compared that I live according to the commandments (like most) - many people don’t think that you should not steal, kill, commit adultery not because it is a commandment, but because it is not accepted society.

                    And by the way. Are you for the red or the white? Or are you for migrants? And on the basis of what do you take this or that side?


                    I am not for the Reds: they took the land from my ancestors - the peasants of the middle peasants, but they made Russia the second most powerful country in the world - where Britain is before it. I am not for the whites - their faith in the divine power of the imperial dynasty led to the defeat in the war of 1904-1905 and to the defeats in the WWI, which led to the revolution and the subsequent bloody massacre of the civil war.
                    The whites wanted to leave as it was - the gentleman gentleman and the servant of the errands. The Reds promised equality, made it possible to break through really smart, active and talented.
                    But the system turned out to be not vital — new elites quickly formed that were “more equal” than others and fed in deficit-free shops for the party elite, regional committees, executive committees, and other privileged nomenclature — the system collapsed, the empire fell apart.

                    The new rulers and the bourgeois, over 27 years, brought the new Russia from 7-8th place in the world to 11th place ...
                    Again, something is wrong in the Russian “empire,” either the emperor sat up, or the boyars became guarded by the fact that for their inability they are again appointed on the basis of personal devotion, which means the next 6 years, you can show your incompetence ...

                    One side is taken by the weak or people who do not have their own opinions.
                    It is strange to offer a choice of what I have to accept - a working migrant who officially pays taxes in Russia, which means she works for the good of the country, or a local drunk who after a week goes to work between hard drinking and doesn’t understand the words and whom I tomorrow tries ... fired!

                    And this is the third dismissed local caldera, who swears that no more ... and can not hold out for half a year.
                    So I am for those who work for the good of Russia, and not adhere to the principle of migrant or local.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 31 May 2018 10: 30
                      0
                      Quote: DimerVladimer
                      Of course, I learned about the commandments when I was still a child, but I never compared that I live according to the commandments (like most) - many people don’t think that you should not steal, kill, commit adultery not because it is a commandment, but because it is not accepted society.

                      This is accepted in society because it was imposed on our ancestors. This is supported by our entire culture. Western culture differs from Eastern, eastern from Russian, Russian from Western. The culture of Islamic states is different from all others as well as they are from it.
                      This is a management that many do not see. Now, before our eyes, a reformatting of the consciousness of the inhabitants of Ukraine is taking place. Over time, they will have other values. Someone controls this - there are no uncontrollable processes in the World.
                      Quote: DimerVladimer
                      One side is taken by the weak or people who do not have their own opinions.

                      One can build a dugout. Two - a wooden house. A lot is stone. You probably saw a nested doll. Here is another picture of mine (why I love pictures so much - they carry much more information than a thousand words):

                      If there are still questions - write in a personal.
                2. Captain45
                  Captain45 30 May 2018 16: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  People who are educated, able to think, analyze, and have access to many sources of information are rarely influenced by ideologies.
                  They tend to adhere to universal values.

                  Sorry to interrupt, but I would like about universal values. What is it, what are they from your point of view? Here is a family of universal value? Of course. And the composition of the family? If the parents are represented by a man and a woman and they have a child, is this a family, is that a value? And if the parents are two pederasts raising a foster child, taken from a normal family? It also seems to be formally a family, but in reality .... So which family is attributed to universal values? In the West, for some reason, they are strenuously promoting the second type of family, from pederasts, and they prove that this is normal at the present time. These are universal values ​​- like freedom of choice, freedom in general, and other crap.
                  1. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 31 May 2018 09: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Captain45
                    What is it, what are they from your point of view? Here is a family of universal value? Of course. And the composition of the family? If the parents are represented by a man and a woman and they have a child, is this a family, is that a value?

                    Traditional values:
                    1. Respect for parents
                    2. Respect and help for the elderly.
                    3. Help for children (education, upbringing) and even more so for the terminally ill (there should be no baby homes and orphanages).

                    For example, my friend and I help the baby’s home (abandoned children) and help “Abode” - a home for mothers who find themselves in difficult situations with young children, without the help of their parents or abandoned by spouses without a livelihood (products, toys, diapers, baby holidays, etc.)

                    As for the tolerance for same-sex marriage - this is their business - let our children not get into the eyes in public places. Extremely against adoption of children by same-sex families! Categorically!!!

                    I have not seen such values ​​promoted in the West - most families are still traditional, although I have seen others. Many in the west have the same attitude towards them as any normal person in Russia - except that their faces are beaten - the law is respected.
                3. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 30 May 2018 20: 57
                  0
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  People who are educated, able to think, analyze, and have access to many sources of information are rarely influenced by ideologies.
                  They tend to adhere to universal values.

                  But are universal values ​​not the result of the "influence of ideology" (strictly speaking Christianity)? After all, already along the line of Christians-Muslims, there is a certain disproportion in these "universal values." Do you think that the ancient Assyrians understood the concept of "universal values" in the same way as the modern Orthodox Christian, or in some other way? And, for example, the Aztecs? And what kind of thread are the cannibals, the Mumbo-Yumbo tribe from equatorial Africa? lol
                  P / s / With the rest, in a first approximation, I agree.
                  1. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 31 May 2018 09: 22
                    0
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    But are universal values ​​not the result of the "influence of ideology" (strictly speaking Christianity)? After all, already along the line of Christians-Muslims, there is a certain disproportion in these "universal values."


                    I will not speak for mumbo ...

                    I apologize - the universal human way appeared long before Christianity - the commandments did not appear from scratch.
                    There are people who do not need religion in order to behave morally, there are people for whom neither religion, nor the law, even the fear of punishment, stop anything.
                    Even when people lived in a tribal way, they took care of the sick, the weak, their own and others' children were not. We have thousands of caves in the Urals, where people from the time of the Paleolithic lived in huge cave cities - and universal laws of coexistence were formed there, long before the advent of Christianity.
                    I will say for the traditional family rural way of patriarchal Russia - as long as there were no cities, there were no abandoned orphans, were they taken away or by relatives or neighbors - is this a universal value?
                    What the Soviet government did after the Great Patriotic War - homeless children - is a universal tradition, they only decided it in their own way.

                    To live by the principle - do not do to people what you do not want to do to you - this all fits into universal human values.
                    Discussions on this topic have been going on for more than a thousand years :)
          2. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 10: 43
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            If you know everything, then why ask?


            I am interested in what sense the author put into this term (masters of the West).
            Before WWI, it’s generally ridiculous to talk about any influence of the Zionist (world) government — the ruling monarchies would have laughed.
            And with what fright, rockefellers and others could influence?
            For example, anti-trust laws were passed in the United States that limited the influence of monopolies - that is, the "masters of the West" themselves accepted against themselves? :)))

            The idea of ​​"world government" is falling apart - it is designed for the level of education of a graduate of vocational schools.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 30 May 2018 10: 48
              0
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              For example, anti-trust laws were passed in the United States that limited the influence of monopolies - that is, the "masters of the West" themselves accepted against themselves? :)))

              Not. They outlined the boundaries of their clan-corporate interests in order to maintain their survival. If the owner of the West were in one person, then such a law would not be needed. But one is not able to rule the whole World. Therefore, we have to agree.
              1. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 11: 13
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Not. They outlined the boundaries of their clan-corporate interests in order to maintain their survival. If the owner of the West were in one person, then such a law would not be needed. But one is not able to rule the whole World. Therefore, we have to agree.


                Again it is not true - the monopolies were fragmented and a system was introduced that eliminates such monopolies in the future. Businessmen of the middle hand, got the opportunity to compete with the oligarchs. Thus, the very oligarchs, have lost most of their opportunities in economic terms, especially with the introduction of laws on lobbying. Election funds allow you to control political influence.
                So the world government is a scarecrow for the illiterate.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 30 May 2018 11: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  So the world government is a scarecrow for the illiterate.

                  Blessed is he who believes.
          3. Olgovich
            Olgovich 30 May 2018 11: 36
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            Jews are using. Money is not the goal. Money is a management tool. Jews act as a wallet the owner.

            Oops, already Jews are just a tool .... recourse
            So WHO is the owner, WHO ?! belay
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 30 May 2018 12: 02
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              So WHO is the owner, WHO ?!

              Excerpt from the "Snow Show" by Slavf Polunin:

              The “Atlantists” who survived the flood took one of the feral tribes (running in the background), passed on to them some management knowledge (a savage dressed in their clothes is trying to imitate them) and with their help they built the same slave-owning civilization that was destroyed. Themselves go into the shadows, leaving the "smart" savage on public display ... In the diagram, the posts above are designated as 22 hierarchs.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 May 2018 15: 30
              +5
              Reptilians from the planet Nabir. So we got (by
              deep analysis smile ), to the top of the pyramid.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 30 May 2018 23: 22
          +3
          When I saw about 10 years ago on the net these Masonic-West-conspiratorial "pyramids" I was sure that this was a witty drawing of some "prankers", pranksters. I would never have believed in the existence of real people like Boris55 who could believe in such a mess.
          But he was mistaken, as you see. No wonder thousands of people believed in the comic religion of the Macron Monster. I'm tempted to come up with some completely crazy new Internet Masonic lodge ("Atlas of the Purple Zion", for example wassat ) and check how many followers I get per year. Take care of retirement boredom ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 May 2018 06: 54
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            absolutely crazy new Internet Masonic lodge ("Atlas of the Purple Zion", for example) and check how many "followers" I get per year. Take care of retirement boredom ...

            Zion is already sore. Maybe try the Atlanta Purple Elephant?
            Fresh, mysterious and will attract attention: "Why an elephant? Yes, and even purple"? recourse
          2. Boris55
            Boris55 31 May 2018 08: 28
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            When I saw 10 years ago on the net these Masonic-West-conspiratorial "pyramids"

            Only 10 years ago ?! Are you a dense person, or are you covering your own? laughing
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 31 May 2018 10: 18
              +2
              Quote: Boris55
              Only 10 years ago ?! Are you a dense person, or are you covering your own?


              Who does this daub affect?
              On the illiterate, poorly educated.

              Because the easiest way to explain to an uneducated person is that his poor, unsettled life is not due to the fact that he did not want to study in childhood / adolescence / maturity and therefore works on a simple poorly paid job / does not work / thumps - and this is the fault of more successful Jews / migrants / mysterious world government
              (Underline whatever applicable).

              The scheme is primitive and always works for this category of population.
          3. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 31 May 2018 10: 26
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            When I saw about 10 years ago on the net these Masonic-West-conspiratorial "pyramids" I was sure that this was a witty drawing of some "prankers", pranksters. I would never have believed in the existence of real people like Boris55 who could believe in such a mess.


            There is a certain percentage of the population - usually not settled in life, due to low education - this garbage is designed for them.
  13. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 30 May 2018 09: 13
    +7
    I read the comments, especially impressed by the "crispy rolls." What did you want to say:
    1. Judge them by their deeds.
    2. The behavior of the whites “old, good”, the European custom, and they behaved like the invaders before and after them.
    3. To erect monuments to these scum, and even more so to justify their deeds, is simply baseness and meanness in relation to their People and Homeland.
    4. Now about the whites, who were the vanguard of the Western interventionists, and fought for the right to hang, shoot their own people, which they "lacquely called cattle and boor" That's their whole idea ... p.
    5. Krasnov and fellow German clients, these generally distinguished the Cossacks as a separate people, denying them the right to be Russian ...
    6.Kolchak was officially a British officer and served the new owners, Semenov and others like him were faithful slaves of the Japanese, and the owners themselves were amazed at the cruelty of their lackeys ...
    CONCLUSION: The people of Russia did not accept the future that the white people prepared for him with their masters. Most of the officer corps of the Russian Imperial Army took the side of the Bolsheviks. Reconciliation between the rapist, the murderer and his victim is not possible.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 30 May 2018 16: 57
      +2
      most of them were destroyed in the Red Terror, from which some undecided later swept over to the Germans
  14. Curious
    Curious 30 May 2018 09: 47
    +8
    The author bakes fresh sketches like hot cakes, shredding the story like a Tuzik heating pad. Some already have “samsonavisimost”.
  15. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 30 May 2018 10: 19
    +8
    The article does not represent any historical value - another copywriting interspersed with mysterious "masters of the West."

    Meanwhile, the history of the civil war is much deeper and more tragic.
    The story does not have good or bad - all (namely all - many groups that pursued their interests) parties were cruel, all were engaged in executions without trial, repression and mass killings - sometimes at the slightest word, denunciation, suspicion - an incredible level of bitterness, hatred, intransigence .

    Until now, the echo of the centennial war has surfaced in discussions on the pages of this site as a reflection of the intransigence of the descendants of the participants in those tragic events for Russia.

    One side defeated it by brutal repression, creating its own legends, its own “truth” - by writing its own story.
    If the opposite side had won, it would have also blackened opponents and erased them from memory.

    I recently traveled to the places of the Zlatoust operation in 1919 in the Urals near Satka. Places where 27 rifle divisions of the "red" and 4 infantry division of the "white" clashed in battle - there is an abandoned monument in the field.
    There is an inscription on it - a monument to those who died during the Civil War, without details.

    He stood silent for a moment - the Russians fought against the Russians, some for the old way, others with faith in a new life, for land, for freedom, equality, fraternity.
    Some lost, died or left their homeland forever, others were deceived - they lost their land, freedom to think and speak, and were forced to hesitate all along the line of the ruling party - until the empire fell apart ...
    The great tragedy of our people is that we are looking for the enemy in those who do not share our opinion, not realizing that we are not enemies to each other.
    Anyone who works and serves the good of Russia, regardless of religion or nationality, is our ally and it’s time for us to think about our neighbors, fellow countrymen, and not to dance to the tune of those who “rule” us, who teach us “how to live right” and who "right to love."
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 May 2018 11: 41
      +6
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      If the opposite side had won, it would have also denigrated the opponents

      HOW can blacken .... black? request
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      erased them from memory

      You won’t erase it ....
  16. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 May 2018 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    An article by a person who knows history causes only bitter laughter, due to desperate attempts to distort the real course of events.

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    where does he reason


    It would be good for a person who knows history to pull up the Russian language.


    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Tremendous arrogance — to give cooperation with the enemy for good. In this manner, Mr. Samsonov and General Vlasov will be recorded as heroes.


    And what is wrong? He fought with Bolshevism. Against the dictator Stalin. Your man.

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Bolshevik elite


    the Bolshevik elite, the BolsheviksCTCkaya ...

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    The Communists were not Russian — they were “internationalists”


    The first - does not interfere with one another. You can be both Russian and internationalist (I have now torn a template for someone).
    The second - I will quote "I am a Russian, of Georgian nationality." One good man and communist said.

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    the people themselves rebelled against them with anti-communist slogans throughout the GV


    I’ll tell you a secret. Not all Great Historians know this. In the Civil War, the people defeated under the leadership of the Bolsheviks with communist slogans.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 30 May 2018 19: 13
      +4
      Quote: sergo1914
      It would be good for a person who knows history to pull up the Russian language.

      It wouldn’t be a sin, you, dear, to learn that the word "reason" is just the historical form of writing, which was the norm in classical Russian.
      Quote: sergo1914
      And what is wrong? He fought with Bolshevism. Against the dictator Stalin. Your man

      Ma-scarlet correction is such. He is not ours, but yours. Soviet. A Soviet man to the marrow of bones who went to cooperate with foreign occupiers, who were even worse than the Communists.
      Quote: sergo1914
      the Bolshevik elite, the Bolshevik ...

      See above for the norms of the classical Russian language. There, this word was written precisely as "Bolshevik".
      Quote: sergo1914
      You can be both Russian and internationalist (I have now torn a template for someone).

      It is impossible. A person either associates himself with a certain people and positions himself as a Russian, Swede, Pole, German or Japanese, or, on the contrary, becomes "Ivan, who does not remember kinship," a "man of peace" whose homeland is where he is more comfortable ...
      Quote: sergo1914
      “I am a Russian, of Georgian nationality.” One good man and communist said.

      Firstly, I would not call him a good person. And secondly, with this statement he froze a fair amount of stupidity. Russians are one nationality. Georgians are different. Which, however, does not prevent both peoples from living quietly in one country and serving one cause. The dynasty of the princes of Bagration is an example to you.
      Quote: sergo1914
      . In the Civil War, the people defeated under the leadership of the Bolsheviks with communist slogans.

      Nonsense. The Bolsheviks won the war using the people. But when the people realized what these Bolsheviks were, he responded with massive uprisings. Tambov, Kronstadt, not to mention the resistance to "collectivization" https://afanarizm.livejournal.com/254116.html
  17. XII Legion
    XII Legion 30 May 2018 12: 58
    +21
    Czechs moved along the Trans-Siberian to the French front
    The Bolshevik government, which concluded a separate peace with a common enemy and considered (perhaps not unreasonably) controlled by the Germans, tried to disarm the Entente battle formation. That is, in general, the Bolshevik government legally attacked the Entente first.
    What did this formation have to do before the German Bolsheviks (that is, the Bolsheviks and the Germans and Hungarians who were among them prisoners of war) - to pull up their legs? And what happened happened - especially since the combustible material was prepared by both sides.
    Of course, there is no need to erect monuments to robbers and murderers. Only the enemies of the Czechs and the Whites, to tell the truth, were just such robbers and murderers, only later glorified in propaganda films and books. After all, they erect monuments to them, and nothing.
    Nothing to put to different foreigners, yes
  18. kalibr
    kalibr 30 May 2018 13: 13
    +5
    Quote: bober1982
    Chekhov was dragged into this whole massacre, as a result of which they lost their human appearance, and the Czechs were no squirrels - neither for the Reds, nor for the Whites, on their own. By the way, they also handed over Kolchak.
    Vladimir Maksimov in the USSR (before the collapse) published an art book Star of Admiral Kolchak , then Kolchak’s interrogation protocols aroused interest in the book (selectively)
    But the book expressed a rather curious idea regarding the Czech legionnaires, namely, how mass clouding of people’s consciousness could occur. This concerned Czechs, that is, what happened — there were decent people in the pre-war life, quiet family life, children, wife , dumplings with mushrooms, etc. What happened then - they ceased to resemble people (pogroms, robberies, murders)
    In my opinion, this applies not only to the Czechs.

    You are absolutely right. What did Mao Zedong say? "The rifle gives rise to power!" And what kind of power does a person have with a rifle? ABSOLUTE! And it is known that ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY AND CORRUPTES ABSOLUTELY !!!
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 May 2018 15: 26
    +4
    According to my conclusions from what I read, from all the forces that participated in the Civil War
    in Russia, the Czechoslovak Corps was one of the most disciplined
    and adequate compounds. For the brutality of everyone else (especially in Siberia)
    and in the Far East) they were just Winnie the Poohs.
    They knew exactly what they want - to get to their homeland. And very organized
    and patiently implemented it.
    1. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 30 May 2018 16: 47
      +2
      and how much you’ve done on the road and dragged with you
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 30 May 2018 17: 04
        +2
        The right of the strong!
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 30 May 2018 23: 16
          +2
          And during the civil war, and indeed any war, is there any other right? In fact, the right of the strong is the foundation of all other rights and freedoms !!! (Yes let the humanists pounce on me)
        2. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 31 May 2018 14: 29
          0
          mad even if they have strong rights have almost no
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 31 May 2018 23: 44
            0
            Oh yes you are humanists and a liberal? Are you worried about common human values?
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 1 June 2018 07: 40
              0
              therefore, the main thing is not to attract the attention of orderlies who can do this yes
  20. bubalik
    bubalik 30 May 2018 16: 12
    +1
    We in Novokuibyshevsk at the station Lipyagi wanted to erect a monument to this .... Just next to the monument to those whom they were shooting then ... Thank God they repulsed.


    To date, the final decision on the place of installation of the memorial sign has not been made.

    1. bubalik
      bubalik 30 May 2018 17: 09
      +1
      To date, the final decision on the place of installation of the memorial sign has not been made.

  21. kalibr
    kalibr 30 May 2018 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: Captain45
    In the West, for some reason, they are strenuously promoting the second type of family, from pederasts, and they prove that this is normal at the present time. These are universal values ​​- like freedom of choice, freedom in general, and other crap.

    Look what you write: "promote" ... That is, there is a group of interests. So? Now it’s obvious that there is a group with other interests? Well well! Then let them “promote” their values. They unite, act, a lot of things can be thought up even without violence ... Now it’s like this: what do we mean? Is it more profitable for Russia? We benefit ... conflict! Therefore, it is necessary to support both those and these and let “there” get to the barricades !!! Society, including someone else’s, must be skillfully managed !!!
  22. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 May 2018 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    It wouldn’t be a sin, you, dear, to learn that the word "reason" is just the historical form of writing, which was the norm in classical Russian.


    You can "reason" in the Russian language

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    See above for the norms of the classical Russian language. There, this word was written precisely as "Bolshevik".


    "... by the beginning of the 1917th century, the method of forming adjectives from nouns to using the suffix -ck- if it still retained productivity, it was only in vernacular. But the word Bolshevik penetrated into vernacular only after XNUMX, when the whole of Russia started talking about Bolsheviks, “Only a few knew about their existence before. And with it the biblical word of Bolshevik entered the vocabulary of the“ popular masses, ”which they immediately converted into Bolshevik. And then such“ common ”pronunciation (and even spelling) was probably learned by opponents of the new "authorities for whom it was a way to express disapproval."

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    It is impossible. A person either associates himself with a certain people and positions himself as a Russian, Swede, Pole, German or Japanese, or, on the contrary, becomes "Ivan, who does not remember kinship," a "man of peace" whose homeland is where he is more comfortable ...


    Russian - nationality, internationalist - from internationalism (from Latin inter - “between” and natio - “people”) - the term of Marxist ideology, denoting the solidarity of the proletariat of different countries in the fight against the exploiters. An internationalist can be Russian, Chinese French, Hungarian, Serb ... Do you understand the difference?

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    But when the people realized what these Bolsheviks were, he responded with massive uprisings. Tambov, Kronstadt, not to mention the resistance to "collectivization"


    I don’t know about you, but it disturbs me from the phrase "the people of Kronstadt." The people in the forts do not live. Military personnel live there. And the rebellion was a garrison of forts and carriages. Military rebellion. There was once a good article on this event.
  23. pepel
    pepel 30 May 2018 20: 37
    +1
    It is necessary to demand the demolition of monuments from the authorities, but it turned out with the Mannerheim board. But in general it’s interesting, with what fright does a foreign state implement its program for installing monuments in the territory of another state? It turns out that the Czechs consider the territory of Russia as their province !? WHERE DOES THE GUARANTEE OF RUSSIA'S SOVEREIGNTY ??? angry am
  24. GEV67
    GEV67 31 May 2018 16: 36
    0
    They knew who they voted for, why be surprised ?! am
  25. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 31 May 2018 19: 02
    +1
    You can understand everything. They wanted to live healthy in their homeland.
    Who doesn’t want to?
    Well, we would go further ...
    But!
    Which one
    The right of the strong. I can, then I want.
    But in general, I agree with Olgovich.
    Maybe for the first and last time.

    .