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People against power

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One of the main fronts of the Civil War was the confrontation of power and peasantry. The main part of the Russian people - the peasantry, spoke out against any government at all. The peasants have created their own project - the freemen of the people.


In the days of the Romanovs, there was a dangerous split - the power and the elite separated from the people. There was a westernization (westernization) of the social elite. Nobles appeared in Russia- “Europeans”, for whom the native language was German, French and English, but not Russian. For them, the ideal was Holland, France or England. They preferred to live not in Ryazan or Novgorod, but in Paris, Rome, Vienna or London. The overwhelming majority of the people (the peasants made up 90% of the population of Russia) were enslaved by landowners, the state, given to state-owned factories, etc. And the workers, the same former peasants, lived in terrible conditions, in full power of the capitalists.

As a result, several percent of the population gradually became social parasites, the colonizers of their own people. If the Western colonialists exploited alien peoples and tribes, the Russian nobles and capitalists - their own people. Social justice was destroyed. Earlier, in the Russian (Moscow) Kingdom, in conditions of constant war, a mobilization economy and social structure formed in Russia. The nobles were given land and peasants on the condition of lifelong service and the service of their children. The nobles used the labor of the peasants, but in return they paid with sweat and blood, served the state, defended their homeland. In Russia, the Romanovs were given the opportunity to be social parasites, to eat away the labor of the peasants and not give anything in return. Moreover, they were withdrawing capital received in Russia to the West. They spent money received from estates or enterprises on luxury goods produced in the West. They bought property in the West, lived for years in western cities.

Peasants (people) responded to such universal injustice with war. Already the 17th century became “rebellious” - two peasant wars (Distemper and Razin’s Uprising), not counting many uprisings, riots and riots. As well as the terrible split of the church and the people under Nikon and Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich "Tishayshim." The most passionary, strong part of the people - the Old Believers, went into schism and gradually created their own Russia. The opposition of the people and the authorities began. The people tried to throw off and destroy the alien power at any opportunity.

Under Peter the Great, the people were drained of blood during the cruel confrontation. There has been some lull. A new powerful explosion followed when the nobles were released from compulsory service and they were able to burn their lives, to be social parasites. After a powerful peasant war led by Pugachev under Catherine II, there was a long lull. But it did not mean that the people humbled or social justice was restored. Just the balance of power was in favor of power. The Russian Empire was at the peak of its military power. However, in many respects the development of Russia went past the life of the people and at the expense of the people. The Russian community during this time has not changed. However, the peasants did not forget about injustice. Nothing has changed and the abolition of serfdom. Moreover, the land issue was one of the root causes that destroyed the Russian empire.

A new opportunity to start a peasant war appeared during the incompetent reign of Nicholas II. The contradictory policies of the tsarist government, the defeat in the war with Japan, the 1905 Revolution - 1907, the Stolypin policy, led to a sharp increase in peasant uprisings. Landowner estates again flared. The Stolypin government was able to "tighten the screws," there was some lull. As it turned out, before the storm. Stolypin, Durnovo, Rasputin and other reasonable people, warned the king that a new big war, clashes with Germany, Russia would not survive. There will be a terrible social explosion. All the contradictions accumulated over the centuries will break out. To go to war with a fragmented society struck by mutual hatred is insane. The cadre army, which was the mainstay of the royal power, will be in battle. The throne will be defenseless. The “elite” infected by westernism will surely arrange a palace coup.

Indeed, world war, the clash of the Germans and the Russians in the interests of France, England and the United States, became the fuse that blew up the Russian empire. The confrontation of the people and the authorities again sharply escalated. The government threw people to fight for incomprehensible and alien to him goal. The Russian peasant did not care about the Polish lands in Germany and Austria-Hungary, Galicia, the Black Sea straits, and Turkish Armenia. He was worried about more pressing problems - where to get bread to feed the family, how to give children primary education, etc. For the peasants it was someone else's war. Indeed, in terms of national interests - it was a foreign war, a war in the interests of the owners of the West, who solved their problems at the expense of Russia. The war sharply aggravated the peasant and working life. Every year, the world massacre took away millions of the healthiest and strongest men from the peasant world, many of them would die, others would return cripples, sick people. The economy collapsed, millions of families lost their fathers, sons and brothers, and received nothing in return from the government. All the problems of the village were sharply aggravated - the industry stopped providing essential goods and tools to the village; the government introduced a food list; hands lacked and much more.

The war was also dangerous because from the very beginning all the beautiful plans of the “quick war” (they were built by everyone — the Germans, the French, and the Russians) quickly collapsed. It was necessary to wage a heavy, long and extremely bloody positional war. Mobilize the army millions of former peasants. Throw them to the front, accustomed to constant blood and violence. A huge mass of soldiers will rot in the trenches, feed the lice, hurt and die, cursing power. To rise in suicidal bayonet attacks, which will be organized by generals who do not know modern war. To fight in the conditions of shortage of rifles, guns, shells, equipment and provisions. To fight, not knowing what they are fighting? Meanwhile, representatives of the bourgeoisie, the nobility will burn their lives, eat and drink sweetly. And ordinary people see everything. The question is when the thicket of patience is overflowing.

Stolypin, Durnovo and Rasputin understood this. And Tsar Nicholas is not. He threw Russia to fight for the interests of the Western powers and paid a terrible price for this mistake, including the death of his own family. Therefore, one should not be surprised at the burst of wild, bestial anger, hatred in 1917 and throughout the entire Russian Troubles. She was accumulating for a very long time and reached its peak during the war. Therefore, after February, Russia will explode, it will be a disaster. Soldiers and sailors will tear to pieces their own commanders. Peasants burn property and refuse to obey the authorities. And this is still before October. The peasant war will break out even before the October Revolution. Peasants and soldiers' masses will oppose the government. A personification of alien, hateful, colonial power will be the landowners, the "bourgeois", "goldsmiths", the police and "anti-agents" (intelligentsia). After all, it is these representatives of the “old Russia” who will drive millions of people to the slaughter of world war.

Therefore, millions of people and went for the revolutionaries. For social revolutionaries, anarchists, popular socialists and the Bolsheviks. They offered land and peace. Thus, it was the war that finally rejected the people from power. It has completed this process to its logical end - the war of the peasants against any government. The people spoke out against the government as such.

After October, when the red and white descended in mortal combat, with the participation of the interventionists, nationalists and gangsters, the people did everything to destroy the state on the territory of Russian civilization. The peasantry came up with a special, unparalleled (up to the Hussite-Taborites) draft political structure. It was a utopia - a community of free bread-growers, who received the land in their property and on the basis of simple relations of mutually beneficial neighborhood processing it. In the conditions of the complete collapse of the state, in the conditions of war, the peasantry tried to bring all patriarchal utopia into practice against all.

It was the peasant project and the peasant war that became one of the main reasons for the defeat of the white governments and armies. Whites could offer nothing to the peasantry, except for the return of the power of the landlords and capitalists. The peasants responded with large-scale uprisings. White tried to suppress them with whips, ramrods and outright terror. During the war with the Reds, it was not possible to suppress the peasants' speeches. Russian communists had a project that was in the interests of the majority of the people. However, in order to humiliate the elemental people, it was necessary to use cruel measures. It was one of the worst pages of the Russian Troubles. The peasant world was washed with blood, having lost millions of lives, trying to bring its patriarchal project to life.

It is worth noting that if both white and red lost, and the peasants could realize their project in Russia. For example, in the European part of Russia, in the Urals and Siberia, when the margins fall off. That he was doomed to complete collapse and would have completely killed Russian civilization, in a confrontation with the West and the East. Peasant armies on carts with rifles and machine guns had no chance against the armies of industrial powers - England, France, the USA, Japan, Turkey, and even such young states as Poland and Finland. Heavy type artillery armies tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft would quickly crush peasant Russia. The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project.
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  1. Cat
    Cat 22 March 2018 05: 36
    +16
    Stamps, stamps, stamps ......, question to the Author, if you remove the husk, what remains?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 22 March 2018 08: 08
      +9
      Quote: Kotischa
      question to the Author, if you remove the husk, what remains?

      laughing Nothing will remain except slogans!
      Recently, Samsonova throws from one extreme to another.
      1. Luga
        Luga 22 March 2018 14: 06
        +7
        Quote: Serg65
        Nothing will remain except slogans!

        Dedicated to the third incarnation of Samsonov, responsible for "superethnos" and "masters of the West."
        Oh, and what is it waking up?
        Oh, and whose eyes are open?
        Two weeks was silent
        And now that's bored
        Again scoffs at our brains ...
        laughing
        Well, that's what the author wanted to say? In all countries, at all times has always existed, exists and will exist the elite, standing apart from the people. Revolutions and riots do not occur that way. And they occur because the development of production changes the economic structure of society, and therefore social relations. There is a need for reform, and if these reforms, due to the weakness, stupidity or laziness of the elite, are not carried out, social contradictions turn into a conflict requiring forceful resolution.
        The peasants were deep in figuring in which Baden-Baden their landowner lived and how he spends his money. He is not there and thank God. He does not speak Russian, it doesn’t hurt. And on Vedic Orthodoxy, Nikon and the church schism, they, too, had to hammer in a bolt and fall asleep with roses. There is a church in the village with a priest - what else do you want?
        The economy is where you have to look and where the author absolutely refuses to look.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 22 March 2018 14: 20
          +5
          Quote: Luga
          Economy is the place to look

          bully Very agree with you!
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 22 March 2018 08: 22
      +2
      Ostayayaya - independent study of the history of your country and its peoples
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 22 March 2018 08: 54
        +1
        agree at least something and that is better than the next series on a zomboyaschik look based on Russian history
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 22 March 2018 09: 02
          +5
          Quote: Rey_ka
          agree at least something and that is better than the next series on a zomboyaschik look based on Russian history

          In this case, it’s better to get to the truth yourself than to read the hodgepodge and take it for the truth!
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 22 March 2018 08: 27
      +8
      Dear Kotische, I completely agree with you. The article consists almost entirely of cliches, moreover, gleaned from Soviet history textbooks from the years 50's, in addition diluted with a fraction of national ideas. A kind of national-Bolshevism of the Limonov pattern.
      Noblemen - “Europeans” appeared in Russia, for whom German, French and English, but not Russian, were their native language. For them, the ideal was Holland, France or England. They preferred to live not in Ryazan or Novgorod, but in Paris, Rome, Vienna or London. The overwhelming majority of the people (peasants made up 90% of the population of Russia) were enslaved by the landowners, the state, and given to state-owned factories

      Well, complete nonsense. For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian. And for the most part, Russian nobles lived on their estates, and not somewhere abroad. And they received the initial education there. Among ordinary Russian people, an example of this is Pushkin and his nanny Arina Rodionovna.
      The Russian Romanov nobles got the opportunity to be social parasites, eat the work of peasants and give nothing in return.

      Yeah. And the Martians created literature, painting, music of the Golden Age instead. And they also developed estates. And officers shed blood next to the peasants on the battlefields for Russia, too, they.
      A new opportunity to start a peasant war appeared during the incompetent reign of Nicholas II.

      Well, yes, because the Emperor’s lack of talent, the population grew by 2 million people a year, the Zemstvo medicine network developed and the Peasant Bank was actively working.
      The government abandoned the people to fight for incomprehensible and alien goals. The Russian peasant did not care about Polish lands as part of Germany and Austria-Hungary, Galicia, the Black Sea straits and Turkish Armenia.

      And of course, precisely because of the alienness of the war in the first days after the announcement of the Manifesto of the outbreak of war by the Nicholas II, conscription posts filled crowds of people, most of them peasants.
      it was a foreign war, a war in the interests of the owners of the West, who solved their problems at the expense of Russia.

      Someone show mercy in the order of humanitarian aid — give Mr. Samsonov a normal history textbook! Well, how can you not know the common truth that the WWII began as a consequence of the Austro-Russian dispute regarding Serbia. Kaiser took advantage of this to eliminate his competitors in Europe. This is not Russia who fought for the interests of the West, but rather, England and France “fell under the hand” because of their alliance with Russia.
      Every year, the world massacre took away from the peasant world millions of the healthiest and strongest men, many of them will die, others will return as cripples, sick people. The farm collapsed, millions of families lost their fathers, sons and brothers,

      The author is clearly not aware of the data of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia, where losses in the 1917 year are estimated at approximately 700 thousand people killed. Less than the Germans and the Anglo-French.
      To rise in suicidal bayonet attacks, which will be arranged by generals who do not know modern warfare. Fight in conditions of shortage of rifles, guns, shells, equipment and provisions.

      It would be better for the author to tell about bayonet attacks to the French, who at the beginning of the war in red trousers went to similar attacks. Yes, and all the belligerents had problems with supply in the 1915 year, and in the 1917 year the "well-fed" Germans exchanged bread from the "hungry" Russian soldiers in exchange for watches and cigarette cases. This is well documented in the memoirs of participants in the Great War.
      Tsar Nicholas is not. He threw Russia to fight for the interests of the Western powers and

      He wrote above — these are the Western powers who fought for Russian interests.
      White tried to crush them with whips, ramrods and outright terror.

      White at least ramrods and whips. Unlike the “people's power”, which took hostages and poisoned the people with fighting gases.
      The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project.

      A strange chance. In which the country lost many excellent scientists who eventually worked for other countries (in Soviet Russia, death awaited them), and the rest worked in special prisons, the peasants were driven into slave conditions on “collective farms”, and the workers by 1940 received from the “people's” authorities criminal punishment for changing jobs without the permission of the feudal official.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 22 March 2018 09: 01
        0
        the truth always wins-- if the wrong truth won, then they prayed in the wrong direction
      2. captain
        captain 22 March 2018 09: 27
        +5
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Dear Kotische, I completely agree with you. The article consists almost entirely of cliches, moreover, gleaned from Soviet history textbooks from the years 50's, in addition diluted with a fraction of national ideas. A kind of national-Bolshevism of the Limonov pattern.
        Noblemen - “Europeans” appeared in Russia, for whom German, French and English, but not Russian, were their native language. For them, the ideal was Holland, France or England. They preferred to live not in Ryazan or Novgorod, but in Paris, Rome, Vienna or London. The overwhelming majority of the people (peasants made up 90% of the population of Russia) were enslaved by the landowners, the state, and given to state-owned factories

        Well, complete nonsense. For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian. And for the most part, Russian nobles lived on their estates, and not somewhere abroad. And they received the initial education there. Among ordinary Russian people, an example of this is Pushkin and his nanny Arina Rodionovna.
        The Russian Romanov nobles got the opportunity to be social parasites, eat the work of peasants and give nothing in return.

        Yeah. And the Martians created literature, painting, music of the Golden Age instead. And they also developed estates. And officers shed blood next to the peasants on the battlefields for Russia, too, they.
        A new opportunity to start a peasant war appeared during the incompetent reign of Nicholas II.

        Well, yes, because the Emperor’s lack of talent, the population grew by 2 million people a year, the Zemstvo medicine network developed and the Peasant Bank was actively working.
        The government abandoned the people to fight for incomprehensible and alien goals. The Russian peasant did not care about Polish lands as part of Germany and Austria-Hungary, Galicia, the Black Sea straits and Turkish Armenia.

        And of course, precisely because of the alienness of the war in the first days after the announcement of the Manifesto of the outbreak of war by the Nicholas II, conscription posts filled crowds of people, most of them peasants.
        it was a foreign war, a war in the interests of the owners of the West, who solved their problems at the expense of Russia.

        Someone show mercy in the order of humanitarian aid — give Mr. Samsonov a normal history textbook! Well, how can you not know the common truth that the WWII began as a consequence of the Austro-Russian dispute regarding Serbia. Kaiser took advantage of this to eliminate his competitors in Europe. This is not Russia who fought for the interests of the West, but rather, England and France “fell under the hand” because of their alliance with Russia.
        Every year, the world massacre took away from the peasant world millions of the healthiest and strongest men, many of them will die, others will return as cripples, sick people. The farm collapsed, millions of families lost their fathers, sons and brothers,

        The author is clearly not aware of the data of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia, where losses in the 1917 year are estimated at approximately 700 thousand people killed. Less than the Germans and the Anglo-French.
        To rise in suicidal bayonet attacks, which will be arranged by generals who do not know modern warfare. Fight in conditions of shortage of rifles, guns, shells, equipment and provisions.

        It would be better for the author to tell about bayonet attacks to the French, who at the beginning of the war in red trousers went to similar attacks. Yes, and all the belligerents had problems with supply in the 1915 year, and in the 1917 year the "well-fed" Germans exchanged bread from the "hungry" Russian soldiers in exchange for watches and cigarette cases. This is well documented in the memoirs of participants in the Great War.
        Tsar Nicholas is not. He threw Russia to fight for the interests of the Western powers and

        He wrote above — these are the Western powers who fought for Russian interests.
        White tried to crush them with whips, ramrods and outright terror.

        White at least ramrods and whips. Unlike the “people's power”, which took hostages and poisoned the people with fighting gases.
        The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project.

        A strange chance. In which the country lost many excellent scientists who eventually worked for other countries (in Soviet Russia, death awaited them), and the rest worked in special prisons, the peasants were driven into slave conditions on “collective farms”, and the workers by 1940 received from the “people's” authorities criminal punishment for changing jobs without the permission of the feudal official.

        Mr. Lieutenant, put you a plus. For a very sensible comment.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 22 March 2018 09: 50
          +1
          .. sometimes I am sad
          I'm a forgotten abandoned god
          creating in a pile of ruins ...
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 22 March 2018 10: 51
        +5
        White at least ramrods and whips. Unlike the “people's power”, which took hostages and poisoned the people with fighting gases.
        The peasants of Siberia did not want socialism, but the whites were engaged in brutal reprisals, genocide, and, as Lenin Kolchak wrote, helped the peasants become communists.
        The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project.
        A strange chance. In which the country has lost many excellent scientists
        Actually, it was not the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar, respectively, all the consequences, not the Reds' fault, but the chance that after the collapse and chaos, the Bolsheviks proposed a way out of chaos. The fact that scientists were lost is the fault of those who overthrew the king.
        1. yttg
          yttg 22 March 2018 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: nickname7
          The peasants of Siberia did not want socialism

          In those years, no one had ever heard of socialism. This plague fell on the USSR only in December 1927.
          Quote: nickname7
          and as Lenin wrote

          I recommend reading serious authors.
          Quote: nickname7
          Actually, the Tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, respectively, all the consequences, not the fault of the Reds

          If you do not know that the Bolsheviks very quickly overthrew the "deposed tsar". Therefore, the responsibility for everything that happened is on them.
          Quote: nickname7
          and the chance is that after the collapse and chaos, the Bolsheviks proposed a way out of chaos

          The Bolsheviks created this very collapse and chaos. Before their armed creeping coup, there was no collapse and chaos in Russia.
          Quote: nickname7
          what scientists were lost about is the fault of those who overthrew the king.

          Have you ever read any subtle history booklet? It seems to me that no. Once write this.
          1. Just a man
            Just a man 22 March 2018 18: 25
            +4
            And who do you think is a serious author in comparison with Lenin. Really you. ? Looking at you. , you know how a rat can laugh at a tiger
            1. yttg
              yttg 22 March 2018 19: 22
              +3
              Quote: Just a human
              And who do you think is a serious author in comparison with Lenin.

              Anyone. Up to the authors of "novels for women."
              There was nothing ingenious in this poorly educated ersatz lawyer.
              Quote: Just a human
              laugh at the tiger

              Ulyanov tiger? Completeness. The banal talker idler.
              1. Just a man
                Just a man 22 March 2018 19: 57
                +2
                You would have to fix the crown. And as the hero from Dog’s heart said. , do your direct business ...
      4. Artek
        Artek 22 March 2018 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Well, complete nonsense. For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian. And for the most part, Russian nobles lived on their estates, and not somewhere abroad. And they received the initial education there. Among ordinary Russian people, an example of this is Pushkin and his nanny Arina Rodionovna.


        This point of view is a curve and does not reflect the reality of that time. Maybe people like Captain Tushin from War and Peace were indeed bars from the people, but the rest of the officers of the Bagration’s corps, there were those who spoke Russian poorly and what was the benefit of them getting under the bayonets of the same French-speaking people who came with the army Napoleon? Who killed the Russian Pushkin? he was killed by a Frenchman, who before that dared to mock the poet’s wife. For this alone, there is no forgiveness to all non-Russians in Russian society.


        Yeah. And the Martians created literature, painting, music of the Golden Age instead.


        for some reason, our best writers of the 19th century did not reflect the alignment of world forces in the world and somehow missed the colonial wars and the capture of the world by the West, it happened only from one thing - tsarist Russia was rampant and people did not know what was going on in the world. It was The official Romanov policy is to keep their people in the dark.

        And for the most part Russian nobles lived on their estates


        we also have a mass of people and our intimacy lives in Russia, but they are not allowed to power and they are not the ones who make politics, namely those who rob Russia and take money over the hill. As we have seen before, it was like that now.

        And they also developed estates.


        and what is this "estate development"? Built your estates?



        Well, yes, it’s because of the Emperor’s mediocrity, the population grew by 2 million people a year,


        nikolashka, or something had a hand or something else demographics of Russia?

        Someone show mercy in the order of humanitarian aid — give Mr. Samsonov a normal history textbook!

        shove your "normal textbook" into yourself, in short, into the stove of the Kautsky line.

        The author is clearly not aware of the data of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia, where losses in the 1917 year are estimated at approximately 700 thousand people killed. Less than the Germans and the Anglo-French.


        maybe there are more “data” among the supporters of the general staff, but only the Germans always had more machine guns and guns and this is clearly not the merit of the Romanovs, or maybe their merit, who knows ?.

        It would be better for the author to tell about bayonet attacks to the French, who at the beginning of the war in red trousers went to similar attacks.


        in general, these wars were for the destruction of the white race, Germans, Russians and those Frenchmen who were still white and not mestizo.

        In which the country has lost many excellent scientists


        Yes, it’s a pity that Russian scientists left, as now, but who is to blame? The first government of the RSFSR was 90% Jewish, they adopted all decisions on the execution of peasant uprisings, the execution of "tsarist military experts", and the execution of the rest of the intelligentsia and clergy.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 22 March 2018 14: 42
          +4
          Quote: Artek
          the officer corps of the same Bagration, were those who spoke Russian poorly and what was the benefit to them of climbing under the bayonets of the same French-speaking people who came with Napoleon’s army?

          Did everyone speak Russian badly? Have you studied the history of War and Peace? Normally, the officers of the Alexander Army spoke Russian and fought with the French with dignity — in historiography there is a lot of evidence.
          Quote: Artek
          for some reason, our best writers of the 19th century did not reflect the alignment of world forces in the world

          Perhaps this is because they were not propagandists? And they wrote about people and for people, knowing that for politics there are newspapers and books written by travelers.
          Quote: Artek
          Tsarist Russia was in a state of censorship and the people did not know what was going on in the world. This was the official policy of the Romanovs to keep their people in the dark.

          Rave. Read newspapers of the beginning of the 20th century and compare them with censored Soviet ideological publications. The difference is colossal.
          Quote: Artek
          those who rob Russia and take money away over the hill. As we have seen before, it was so, and now.

          No need to compare the imperial elite and the current "democrats" from the Komsomol and the CPSU. Have you ever thought about why Russian emigrants, princes, counts, merchants, worked in emigration as drivers and waiters? Yes, because all their wealth was in Russia and worked for the good of Russia. They, unlike the oligarchs from the Komsomol, did not withdraw money from the country.
          Quote: Artek
          developed estates "? Built their estates?

          This means that they invested in the development of agricultural technology on their estates. Enlighten: https://nauka-bez-granic.ru/zhurnaly/n-4-4-noyabr
          / opyt-peredovyh-russkih-pomeshhikov-na-puti-inten
          sifikacii-feodalnogo-hozyajstva.html
          Quote: Artek
          nikolashka, or something had a hand or something else demographics of Russia?

          Firstly, the All-Russian Emperor Nicholas II Alexandrovich. Living in Russia and being Russian — learn to correctly name the people who ruled your Motherland.
          And secondly, it was the efforts of Nicholas II and his government aimed at the development of zemstvo medicine that allowed to reduce mortality and increase the population growth rate.
          Quote: Artek
          shove your "normal textbook"

          But there is no need to be rude — rudeness is a sign not only of the absence of arguments, but also of a low level of intelligence and culture.
          Quote: Artek
          maybe "data" and more among the supporters of the General Staff, but only the Germans always had more machine guns and guns and

          Keep in mind that the Germans prepared for war for several decades. It is not surprising that in artillery they not only surpassed us, but the French and the British. And in vain you take the word data in quotation marks. The statistics of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia are the most reliable thing, there were no stupid people there, and the military bureaucracy of the Republic of Ingushetia was not much inferior to the German.
          Quote: Artek
          in general, these wars were for the destruction of the white race, Germans, Russians and those Frenchmen who were still white and not mestizo.

          I hope you are joking. Because such primitive racism, coupled with conspiracy theories, is ... frivolous.
          Quote: Artek
          The first government of the RSFSR was 90% of the Jews, they took all the decisions on the execution

          You know, there was such a man in history who also blamed Jews for everything. Hitler was called. Are you by any chance not his follower?
          1. Artek
            Artek 22 March 2018 17: 13
            0
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Quote: Artek
            the officer corps of the same Bagration, were those who spoke Russian poorly and what was the benefit to them of climbing under the bayonets of the same French-speaking people who came with Napoleon’s army?

            Did everyone speak Russian badly? Have you studied the history of War and Peace? Normally, the officers of the Alexander Army spoke Russian and fought with the French with dignity — in historiography there is a lot of evidence.
            Quote: Artek
            for some reason, our best writers of the 19th century did not reflect the alignment of world forces in the world

            Perhaps this is because they were not propagandists? And they wrote about people and for people, knowing that for politics there are newspapers and books written by travelers.
            Quote: Artek
            Tsarist Russia was in a state of censorship and the people did not know what was going on in the world. This was the official policy of the Romanovs to keep their people in the dark.

            Rave. Read newspapers of the beginning of the 20th century and compare them with censored Soviet ideological publications. The difference is colossal.
            Quote: Artek
            those who rob Russia and take money away over the hill. As we have seen before, it was so, and now.

            No need to compare the imperial elite and the current "democrats" from the Komsomol and the CPSU. Have you ever thought about why Russian emigrants, princes, counts, merchants, worked in emigration as drivers and waiters? Yes, because all their wealth was in Russia and worked for the good of Russia. They, unlike the oligarchs from the Komsomol, did not withdraw money from the country.
            Quote: Artek
            developed estates "? Built their estates?

            This means that they invested in the development of agricultural technology on their estates. Enlighten: https://nauka-bez-granic.ru/zhurnaly/n-4-4-noyabr
            / opyt-peredovyh-russkih-pomeshhikov-na-puti-inten
            sifikacii-feodalnogo-hozyajstva.html
            Quote: Artek
            nikolashka, or something had a hand or something else demographics of Russia?

            Firstly, the All-Russian Emperor Nicholas II Alexandrovich. Living in Russia and being Russian — learn to correctly name the people who ruled your Motherland.
            And secondly, it was the efforts of Nicholas II and his government aimed at the development of zemstvo medicine that allowed to reduce mortality and increase the population growth rate.
            Quote: Artek
            shove your "normal textbook"

            But there is no need to be rude — rudeness is a sign not only of the absence of arguments, but also of a low level of intelligence and culture.
            Quote: Artek
            maybe "data" and more among the supporters of the General Staff, but only the Germans always had more machine guns and guns and

            Keep in mind that the Germans prepared for war for several decades. It is not surprising that in artillery they not only surpassed us, but the French and the British. And in vain you take the word data in quotation marks. The statistics of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia are the most reliable thing, there were no stupid people there, and the military bureaucracy of the Republic of Ingushetia was not much inferior to the German.
            Quote: Artek
            in general, these wars were for the destruction of the white race, Germans, Russians and those Frenchmen who were still white and not mestizo.

            I hope you are joking. Because such primitive racism, coupled with conspiracy theories, is ... frivolous.
            Quote: Artek
            The first government of the RSFSR was 90% of the Jews, they took all the decisions on the execution

            You know, there was such a man in history who also blamed Jews for everything. Hitler was called. Are you by any chance not his follower?


            I am a Russian nationalist and I do not like either Hitler or the Jews who are sitting on the neck of my people.
            and what is your 404 link?
            1. yttg
              yttg 22 March 2018 17: 52
              +1
              Quote: Artek
              I am a Russian nationalist

              It’s strange. Ancient Rusich (they are sometimes designated as ruсkih, not to be confused with russkimi) today is already gone. But supposedly Russian nationalists, it turns out, are.
              So we will soon discover Slavic nationalists. Well, those who do not recognize the even more ancient division of the ancient Slavs into glades and Rus (Rusich).
              1. Artek
                Artek 22 March 2018 18: 25
                0
                Quote: yttg
                Ancient Russians (they are sometimes designated as Russians, not to be confused with Russians)


                you just confused, for example, the Russian statesman and thinker 19v Shishkov A.S. wrote, just the same _Russian_.
                As for the word _Slavian_, it’s not in any of the annals, which means that this word is a waterman, most likely the era of German domination in the Russian Academy of Sciences.
                1. yttg
                  yttg 22 March 2018 19: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Artek
                  for example, Russian statesman and thinker 19v Shishkov A.S.

                  Dear, you do not know the story.
                  After the victory of the Bolshevik putsch in Russia, the Bolsheviks came up with Russian. In exchange for the Great Russians.
                  Accordingly, in 19 there were no and could not be any Russians in wildlife.
                  Ruskimi was called the ancient Rusich. Those who later divided into Little Russians and Great Russians.
                  Slavs, this is an even more ancient term. The Slavs were divided into glades (Poles, Czechs, etc.) and Rus (large and Little Russians). Not right away, some of them still had rings. But I wrote you the final result.
                  1. Artek
                    Artek 22 March 2018 20: 29
                    0
                    Quote: yttg
                    After the victory of the Bolshevik putsch in Russia, the Bolsheviks came up with Russian. In exchange for the Great Russians.


                    even you at all, in the Radzivilovsky chronicle the Row land is written.
                    Can't you hear that? Not a single Russian chronicle has the word Slav, there is the word Sloven.
                  2. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 22 March 2018 23: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Artek
                    As for the word _Slavian_, it’s not in any of the annals, which means that this word is a waterman, most likely the era of German domination in the Russian Academy of Sciences.

                    Quote: yttg
                    Dear, you do not know the story.

                    Quote: yttg
                    Slavs, this is an even more ancient term. The Slavs were divided into glades (Poles, Czechs, etc.) and Rus (large and Little Russians).

                    Paragraph! The dispute "literate". wassat "Everybody thinks of the birthplace, despite the fact that the birthplace itself." (with) laughing
                    1. Artek
                      Artek 23 March 2018 07: 18
                      0
                      Quote: HanTengri
                      Quote: Artek
                      As for the word _Slavian_, it’s not in any of the annals, which means that this word is a waterman, most likely the era of German domination in the Russian Academy of Sciences.

                      Quote: yttg
                      Dear, you do not know the story.

                      Quote: yttg
                      Slavs, this is an even more ancient term. The Slavs were divided into glades (Poles, Czechs, etc.) and Rus (large and Little Russians).

                      Paragraph! The dispute "literate". wassat "Everybody thinks of the birthplace, despite the fact that the birthplace itself." (with) laughing

                      would you shut up, swear, would you come here?
          2. Artek
            Artek 22 March 2018 17: 35
            +1
            Did everyone speak Russian badly? Have you studied the history of War and Peace?


            not only Tolstoy, but also, for example, read Shishkova AS, who described in the book “Discourse on the Old and New Syllables of the Russian Language”, in this book he described the entire orgy of the nobility who refused to speak Russian.



        2. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 22 March 2018 22: 30
          +1
          for some reason, our best writers of the 19th century did not reflect the alignment of world forces in the world and somehow missed the colonial wars and the capture of the world by the West, it happened only from one thing - tsarist Russia was rampant and people did not know what was going on in the world. It was The official Romanov policy is to keep their people in the dark.

          Russia advanced in Transcaucasia, developed lands on both shores of the Pacific Ocean, colonized Turkestan, infiltrated China, threatened to honestly wean India from the British, the Russian army entered the largest European cities, and the Russian emperor was held responsible for everything that happens in Europe - the Russian Empire led a game at least on an equal footing with other great powers.
      5. BAI
        BAI 22 March 2018 16: 34
        +2
        This is not Russia who fought for the interests of the West, but rather, England and France “fell under the hand” because of their alliance with Russia.

        This is when France and especially England fought for Russia's interests?
        Consider the chronology of events.
        On August 1, Germany declared war on Russia, on the same day the Germans invaded Luxembourg. On August 2, German troops finally occupied Luxembourg, and Belgium was advanced ultimatum on the passage of the German armies to the border with France. Only 12 hours were given for reflection.

        Where is Russia and where is the border of France?
        On August 3, Germany declared war on France, accusing her of "organized attacks and aerial bombardments of Germany" and "of violating Belgian neutrality."

        On August 3, Belgium refused a German ultimatum. On August 4, German troops invaded Belgium. King Albert of Belgium turned to the guarantor countries of Belgian neutrality for help. London sent an ultimatum to Berlin: stop the invasion of Belgium, or England would declare war on Germany. After the expiration of the ultimatum, Britain declared war on Germany and sent troops to help France.
        On August 6, Austria-Hungary declared war on Russia.

        Who and where has fought for Russia's interests?
        1. Artek
          Artek 22 March 2018 17: 17
          +1
          August 1, Germany declared war on Russia, ___


          in general, Russia declared general mobilization, in response Germany declared war on RI. If Nikolay2 had not hastened to support his Anglician relatives, then perhaps history would have gone a different way.
          1. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 23 March 2018 22: 20
            0
            But nothing that nemchura and the Austro-Hungarians announced mobilization to Russia?
            Or do you think it was necessary to act according to the method of Stalin and "not succumb to provocations", and then with enormous losses to repel nemchuru from Moscow? hi
            1. Artek
              Artek 23 March 2018 23: 06
              0
              Quote: Lenivets2
              But nothing that nemchura and the Austro-Hungarians announced mobilization to Russia?
              Or do you think it was necessary to act according to the method of Stalin and "not succumb to provocations", and then with enormous losses to repel nemchuru from Moscow? hi


              well, you have
              Actually, Germany didn’t even have troops in the east, all the troops were in the west.
              1. Lenivets2
                Lenivets2 23 March 2018 23: 19
                0
                "Well, how are you,"
                No need to envy.
                "actually, in the east, Germany even had almost no troops, all the troops were in the west."
                And what is it for?
                In addition to the fact that the General Staff of Russia received information about the concentration and plans for the company directly from the General Staff of the Germans and at the same time received non-aggression obligations from the Kaiser?
                And were the troops of Austria-Hungary and Turkey near Russia?
                Ahhh understood, they only carried out exercises.
                I'm right? wink
                And yours is almost Hindenburg with its army?
                Or what are you talking about? what
                1. Artek
                  Artek 24 March 2018 06: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Lenivets2
                  "Well, how are you,"
                  No need to envy.
                  "actually, in the east, Germany even had almost no troops, all the troops were in the west."
                  And what is it for?
                  In addition to the fact that the General Staff of Russia received information about the concentration and plans for the company directly from the General Staff of the Germans and at the same time received non-aggression obligations from the Kaiser?
                  And were the troops of Austria-Hungary and Turkey near Russia?
                  Ahhh understood, they only carried out exercises.
                  I'm right? wink
                  And yours is almost Hindenburg with its army?
                  Or what are you talking about? what


                  neither Turkey nor Austria themselves would ever climb onto Russia, the Hindenburg army was a small army for cover and defense, and not for an offensive. It is very possible that after the defeat of France and England, Germany would stop in the war, such a situation would be available.
                  1. Lenivets2
                    Lenivets2 24 March 2018 12: 18
                    0
                    Your answer is solid "would."
                    This is not an answer, but a book on an alternative and unlikely story.
                    And the nemchur would not attack, and the Austro-Hungarians for world peace would be, and the lamb Turks and the nemchur after France would be sharply converted to pacifists (and chegoz in 41 did not become pacifists?) ....... hi
      6. BAI
        BAI 22 March 2018 16: 50
        +3
        Well, complete nonsense. For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian. And for the most part, Russian nobles lived on their estates, and not somewhere abroad. And they received the initial education there.

        But a number of researchers have a different opinion:
        By the beginning of the XNUMXth century, all educated nobles spoke French better than their native language. The significance and scope of the use of gallicisms can be traced in the literature of this period. So, Griboedov in “Woe from Wit” mentions “a mixture of languages: French with Nizhny Novgorod”, thus characterizing the linguistic situation in the Russian Empire.
        The beginning of the Napoleonic Wars led to the birth of nationalism. One of its manifestations was the return to the Russian language and Russian culture.

        During this period, the so-called "Russian party" was formed in the Russian Empire. It included such well-known political figures as Shishkov, Rostopchin and Glinka. The main task of the “Russian party” was the revival of patriotism and the debunking of the cult of French culture and language in our country. Rostopchin said this about the nobles: “How can they love their land if they also do not know Russian well? How can they stand for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland, when they are not taught the law of God and when they consider Russians to be bears? ”. In his works, Rostopchin expresses the idea of ​​the need for the revival of the Russian language, ridiculed the fascination with the French language and imitation of it.
        A great contribution to the development of the national language of the Russian Empire was made by Alexei Semenovich Shishkov. His “Discourses on the Old and New Syllables of the Russian Language” is widely known, where he wrote: “Anyone who loves Russian literature, and although he practiced it a little without being infected by the indefinable and depriving any kind of reason passion for the French language, he deployed most of Today’s current book, we’ll regret to see how strange and alien to our understanding and hearing our syllable dominates. ” However, Shishkov also says that borrowings in the language can take place, but only if they are justified. Shishkov also spoke out against the excessive dissemination of French literature.

        Belkina P.Yu., Chernysheva M.N. FRENCH LANGUAGE IN THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE IN THE PERIOD OF THE NAPOLEON WARS 1802-1812. // Youth Scientific Forum: Humanities: electr. Sat Art. by mat. V int. Stud. scientific-practical conf. No. 5 (5). URL: https://nauchforum.ru/archive/MNF_humanities/5(5)
        .pdf)
      7. saigon
        saigon 22 March 2018 17: 33
        0
        Yes, Mr. Lieutenant, you are right in giving a rebuke to this opus; here I will not argue with you. Nicholas 2 and the civil war aside, we have different views on it, but about the early times I agree with you. The author is not aware that the noble was OBLIGATED to serve otherwise; the estate and peasants were selected if the memory does not change until Peter 3.
      8. Moskovit
        Moskovit 22 March 2018 23: 41
        +2
        Interesting you get. They didn’t live, they fought not by numbers, but by skill, the good whites did not poison the peasants with newcomers, but as a result, the revolution, the Germans near Pskov and the Wrangel fleeing from Crimea.
        Maybe you should read some real history textbook?
      9. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 23 March 2018 00: 24
        +4
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Well, complete nonsense. For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian.

        Take the novel "War and Peace" L.N. Tolstov, where he described world-wide salons, there are whole pages in French. This is precisely what he wanted to emphasize the isolation of the bulk of the nobility from the people and its orientation to the West.
      10. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2018 16: 42
        0
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        poisoning people with war gases

        I apologize, what is not the topic of what and when was the bullying?
        If about Tambov, then you exaggerated (3 attacks)
        1. Night when the peasants attacked the Red Army, pulled in the direction of the attackers with fear, gas losses were not established.
        2. They fired at the forest where he was hiding according to Antonov — they found Antonov’s live horse after the shelling.
        3. After the army returned from Poland, forests were bombed from planes, while the local population was warned of the bombing, and there was no sense in such bombing, only we can, but you can’t.
        After such advances in the use of gas charges, their application was abandoned.
      11. karish
        karish 24 March 2018 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        For the Russian aristocracy, the native language was Russian. And for the most part, Russian nobles lived on their estates, and not somewhere abroad. And they received the initial education there. Among ordinary Russian people, an example of this is Pushkin and his nanny Arina Rodionovna.

        Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin was born on June 6 (old style) in 1799 in Moscow. Received primary education at home; children governesses The Pushkins were French, according to the custom of noble families, so Pushkin had previously learned French than Russian. And he wrote his first poems (which did not reach us) at a very young age - at the age of five - in French.
      12. basmach
        basmach 25 March 2018 04: 19
        0
        And do not remind me why an order for the army appeared in 1812 instructing you to speak only “Russian gentlemen officers” in your normal textbook.
        And to Westerners to fight for Russian interests, this is generally nonsense.
        A great many scientists have left for the west. And who then taught the future Soviet (in most of the working and peasant families) here — are they self-taught or something. But self-taught could not create scientific schools and fundamental sciences. And where did such a huge number of scientists come from in Russia? You probably haven’t heard about the law on “cook children”. So take an interest.
        regarding the supply, here are Brusilov’s memoirs- “The infantry was well armed with the corresponding rifle, but it had excessively few machine guns, only 8 per regiment, while it was minimally necessary to have at least 8 machine guns for each battalion, counting 2 per company, and then at least one 8 machine gun command at the disposal of the regiment commander.Total - at least 40 machine guns for the 4 battalion regiment, and for the division, therefore, 160 machine guns; in the division there were only 32 machine guns .... The firearm was limited horrific largest the trouble that I was extremely concerned about from the very beginning ... Then we almost completely had light guns, strong with their shrapnel fire, but weak with firing grenades; in addition to the three-inch artillery, there was only one mortar division from the 12 howitzers on the army corps, and on my whole army was only one heavy artillery division.We had on the 32 battalion corps 96 light guns and 12 howitzers, and all 108 guns, while the Germans, for example, had on the 24 battalion corps 166 guns, of which 36 howitzers and 12 heavy guns that we used It was extremely small. In other words, by the nature of our artillery armament, our artillery was adapted, and even then to a weak degree, to defensive combat, but not to offensive .... from the fact that artillery supplies were not enough, that there was little artillery, especially difficult that the training system of the artilleryman was irrational, it is clear that the Ministry of War, including the Main Directorate of the General Staff and the Inspector General of Artillery, was not aware of what a modern war was .... For every army corps there was one engineer battalion, made up of a telegraph company and three companies of sappers. Obviously, such a number of sappers with modern weapons, the fire developed by them and the need to skillfully dig into the ground was completely insufficient. At the same time, it must be admitted that in peacetime our infantry also trained in self-digging disgustingly, through the sleeves, and in general the military engineer was badly placed ... The air forces at the beginning of the campaign were put in our army below all criticism. There were few aircraft, most of them were rather weak, outdated design. Meanwhile, they were extremely necessary both for long-range and short-range reconnaissance, and for correcting artillery fire, which neither our artillery nor the pilots had any idea about. In peacetime, we did not bother with the possibility of manufacturing airplanes at home, in Russia, and therefore, throughout the campaign, we suffered significantly from a lack of them. The famous "Ilya Muromets", on which so many hopes were pinned, did not justify themselves ... In general, we must admit that, compared to our enemies, we were technically significantly backward, and, of course, the lack of technical equipment could be compensated only by unnecessary shedding of blood, which, as will be seen, had its very bad consequences.
        In any case, we came out with a satisfactorily trained army. The corps of officers suffered from many shortcomings, of which there is no place to speak in detail here, since this issue is very complicated. In short, I’ll say that after the unfortunate Japanese war they began to seriously deal with this issue, trying, in particular, to establish a system of the correct choice of bosses. This system, however, did not produce particularly good results, and by the beginning of the war we could not boast of truly selected commanding officers. In general, the composition of the army’s cadre officers was not bad and knew their job well enough, which proved in practice, but a significant percentage of commanding officers persons of all degrees turned out to be, as one would expect, in many respects weak, and already during the war they had to hurriedly replace them for mistakes and replace them with those that actually showed the best fighting abilities
        Until the end of September we stood idly on the line assigned to us and had a good rest. One thing that bothered me was that this was not a sufficient supply of replenishment, and those that arrived were not adequately prepared for combat activity. I related this to the fact that reserve battalions were just formed and were not yet fully drawn into their work. But I, unfortunately, was greatly mistaken in this: during the whole war we never received well-trained replenishment, and the further things went, the more replenishment arrived not only worse and worse trained in their field, but also poorly trained morally . As before, no one could give me an answer in my polls, what is the meaning of this war, why it arose, and what are our goals. In this regard, it is impossible not to blame the Ministry of War, which put the case in our reserve troops so poorly ... For more than three months since the start of the campaign, most of the regular officers and soldiers were out of order, and only small personnel remained who had to be hastily replenished with disgustingly trained people who arrived from reserve regiments and battalions. The officers, on the other hand, had to be replenished with newly produced warrant officers, also not sufficiently trained. Since that time, the regular nature of the troops has been lost and our army has become more and more like a poorly trained militia army. The non-commissioned officer question became extremely acute, and the training teams had to be restored so that they could at least somehow train non-commissioned officers, who, of course, could not replace the old, well-trained ones. (This all applies to the period from September to November 1914. ) ... ordinary soldiers who arrived for replenishment in most cases were only able to march, and even that doesn’t matter; most of them did not know the loose structure, and it often happened that they didn’t even know how to load rifles, and there was nothing to talk about the ability to shoot and.
        March 1915- “It must be remembered that these troops in the mountains in winter, up to the neck in snow, in severe frosts, fought fiercely continuously day after day, and even provided that they had to take care of all kinds of rifle cartridges, and especially artillery shells. with bayonets, counterattacks were carried out almost exclusively at night, without artillery preparation and with the least expenditure of rifle cartridges, in order to preserve our firearms as much as possible. (this is about bayonets) ... A constantly decreasing amount of fire released I was very worried about the stocks of fire. I had no more than 200 shots left on the gun. I tried to get information when it would be possible to count on a more plentiful supply of shells and ammunition, and, to my desperation, I was informed from the front headquarters that I expected improvement in this area could hardly be earlier than late autumn of the same 1915 year, and even these were promises in which there was no certainty.
        Well I won’t bore you further, read it yourself, very interesting. And not only him.
    4. Opera
      Opera 22 March 2018 09: 40
      +5
      Let me try to simplify the task for the author. Why bother writing something ?! After all, a curve, a path full of zigzags of foggy author’s thought through the back streets of history, in fact, has only one endpoint of this path, at the same time being its beginning! So, the next time I propose to confine ourselves to just a headline, and then let those who wish already tear vests and white collars on themselves! Examples are “Samsonov against the Russian bourgeoisie”, “Samsonov supports Lenin - the Russian Empire is still a prison of peoples”, “A new chronology from Samsonov and the chronicle of Russian serfdom”, Samsonov and the Bolsheviks are Jews who are actually Russian communists. Samsonov and Russian landowners, who actually lived in Europe, "" Samsonov and the 1917 revolution, which in fact was a peasant war, or the Russian peasants are anarchists against everyone! " Somehow like this. The unprecedented is indeed happening! Someone has an unpredictable future, but Russia according to Samsonov has a completely unpredictable past!
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 22 March 2018 10: 38
      +2
      Stamps, stamps, stamps ......, question to the Author, if you remove the husk, what remains?

      Firstly, the volume of articles is limited, secondly, the author writes concisely, the essence is captured correctly, the article is excellent!
      1. saigon
        saigon 22 March 2018 17: 35
        0
        But regardless of the size of the article, mistakes should be absent.
    6. Artek
      Artek 22 March 2018 13: 11
      +1
      Alexander Samsonov, ordinary workers will never go into any confrontation, for example, today's elections, the country is robbed, but people vote for oppressors and thieves.
      Therefore, only people who are capable of occupation (Russian nobles, intellectuals, industrialists, military) could raise their voices, i.e. what is popularly called the CULTURAL LAYER, these can really raise their voice and contrast their position in front of the overwhelming power.

      Noblemen - “Europeans” appeared in Russia, for whom German, French and English, but not Russian, were their native language. For them, the ideal was Holland, France or England. They preferred to live not in Ryazan or Novgorod, but in Paris, Rome, Vienna or London


      again, it’s not like that, just as you write these people couldn’t “appear”, they are either specially bred so-called “people of the world” - Jews who do not care where their homeland is, in America or in Russia, or who came and took the place of the Russian national nobility that is, most likely there was some kind of conquest of our country, which we do not know. Where did all these Germans in power come from, the Russian nobles who speak not French, but French, so much so that the Russian partisans killed in 1812 they are just like the newcomers of the French, because these French-speaking people rushed from the French who came from France.
      In short, the story was different, not the same as the Mileschlötserbaer story tells us.
      1. Anti-Corr.
        Anti-Corr. 22 March 2018 16: 13
        +2
        Quote: Artek
        for example, today's election, the country is robbed, but people vote for oppressors and thieves.

        A colleague, and the serfs also said that the master was good, even better than the neighbor. I remember the thimbles at the Belorussky Train Station, we explained to people that there was nothing there, well, there was no ball, but people continued to bet.
        And now mass psychosis has played a role; the West does not like us on the topic. belay
        1. Artek
          Artek 22 March 2018 16: 28
          0
          Quote: Anti-Corr.
          Quote: Artek
          for example, today's election, the country is robbed, but people vote for oppressors and thieves.

          A colleague, and the serfs also said that the master was good, even better than the neighbor. I remember the thimbles at the Belorussky Train Station, we explained to people that there was nothing there, well, there was no ball, but people continued to bet.
          And now mass psychosis has played a role; the West does not like us on the topic. belay


          in fact, the percentage for Putin, of course, is not the same as that declared to us, if we only knew how people vote truly, but it turns out that we scold people who voted in a completely different way.
          1. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 22 March 2018 16: 39
            0
            Quote: Artek
            in fact, the percentage for Putin, of course, is not the same as that declared to us, if we only knew how people vote truly, but it turns out that we scold people who voted in a completely different way.

            But what can I say, about half (with all the markups) of the total number of voters are “for”, the rest are against, and the election campaign is universal, although it supported only 2,5% more than in the 12th year. In reality, this will be about 40-43%, again of the total number, so I don’t understand why they are tearing up their underpants, “winners” ...
            In Volokolamsk, the "winners" are already grabbing the cops and sparrow throw snowballs. And Dvorkovich prepared a surprise for the “winners”: Dvorkovich did not see “nothing wrong” in raising personal income tax from 13% to 15% ‍,
            "On Thursday it became known that the government is considering increasing the income tax from 13% to 15%." and this is only the beginning of the consequences of approval.
          2. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 23 March 2018 22: 28
            +1
            "voted completely differently"
            And please enlighten how the people voted "in reality", but to you, the people confess. hi
            But you have a couple of acquaintances who did not vote for Putin, which means the whole people are against him? laughing
    7. iouris
      iouris 23 March 2018 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: Kotischa
      if you remove the husk, what remains?

      Political provocation will remain, for only the state guarantees the people and "civil society" a certain minimum of conditions for existence.
  2. fa2998
    fa2998 22 March 2018 06: 02
    +4
    Quote: Kotischa
    Stamps, stamps, stamps ......, question to the Author, if you remove the husk, what remains?

    "A few percent of the population has gradually turned into social parasites" - that’s what was left was written for modern Russia! hi
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 22 March 2018 08: 10
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      was written for modern Russia!

      laughing And in the Soviet Union type of power was the people?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 22 March 2018 08: 53
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        And in the Soviet Union type of power was the people?

        Under Stalin, yes.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 22 March 2018 09: 17
          +6
          Quote: Boris55
          Under Stalin, yes.

          Lenin, eager for power, promised land to the peasants, the factories of the workers! The people have not received either one!
          Moreover, in 28, the peasant was left only a small garden, well, so that he would not move his legs at all! And in 21, when the workers decided to remind Lenin of their promises, they got a head start and no longer blabbed about any freedoms!
          And what was the power of the people? Could it be that, expressing the will of the people, the peasants were again made serfs?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 March 2018 12: 19
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            Moreover, in the 28th peasant left only a small garden,

            Do you really think that when Stalin came to power in the 24th, everyone immediately became white and fluffy? Trotsky fled to Turkey only in the middle of the 30th. His followers are still in power today.
            Quote: Serg65
            And what was the power of the people?

            Under Stalin, all party meetings were open. Any non-partisan person could express his opinion. After the Stalinist recruitment, the number of Bolsheviks - the simple working people, in the party began to exceed the Trotskyists in numbers. The party was popular. Khrushchev made all meetings closed ...
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 22 March 2018 13: 35
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              Do you really think that when Stalin came to power in the 24, everyone immediately became white and fluffy? Trotsky fled to Turkey only in the middle of 30

              Boris, you are wrong! laughing
              Boris, do you really think that I’m so naive and I don’t know how Stalin came to power, how collectivization took place, on whose money and with whose hands industrialization took place, and that Trotsky was expelled from the USSR in February 29 (and not in the middle of 30- go) ????
              Quote: Boris55
              Under Stalin, all party meetings were open. Any non-partisan person could express his opinion

              Well what are you right word? Can we speak not in slogans, but in a normal language?
              Quote: Boris55
              After the Stalinist recruitment, the number of Bolsheviks - the simple working people, in the party began to numerically exceed the Trotskyists

              After the Stalinist enlistment, the Bolshevik party ceased to exist, and a new format party appeared that had nothing to do with the RSDLP (b)! wink
              Quote: Boris55
              Khrushchev made all meetings closed ...

              belay And where did the Stalinist party look? Where did the Stalinist CPSU (b) disappear at once?
              The same thing happened in 91 .... the Trotskyist Gorbachev was to blame, and the party had nothing to do with it! Oh little rascals you gentlemen, communists! laughing
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 March 2018 16: 01
                0
                What Stalin did in the 24th, the Trotskyists did during the Second World War. Political workers such as Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and the like, recruited to the party, thereby breaking the ratio of the Bolsheviks and Trotskyists in the party in their favor. Under the slogan - the Communists were ahead, the best cadres of the party were knocked out ... Subsequently, the "washing out" of the Bolsheviks from the party continued.
              2. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 23 March 2018 00: 48
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                And where did the Stalinist party look? Where did the Stalinist CPSU (b) disappear at once?
                The same thing happened in 91 .... the Trotskyist Gorbachev was to blame, and the party had nothing to do with it! Oh little rascals you gentlemen, communists!

                I already wrote about this not so long ago, you apparently have not read it .. I repeat again.
                Unfortunately, after the war, the real politically literate party of the Bolsheviks was no more. There were very few real Bolsheviks at that time, their bulk died.
                During the Great Patriotic War, the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) lost three members of the party of real literate Bolsheviks who were brought up in the ideological struggle in the pre-revolutionary time, in the civil war, during the construction of socialism in the USSR. They were replaced by heroes, but politically illiterate, because there was no candidate experience at the front, during which the person joining the party was ideologically prepared. Therefore, disguised revisionists, it was not difficult to deceive them and lead them.
                The remaining Bolsheviks were simply removed from the leadership, unlike the Trotskyists, they did not harm either the Soviet power or the people. They understood that the Soviet people were infected with a petty-bourgeois ideology and that education of a proletarian class collectivist ideology was again needed. So your smiles from ignorance of those circumstances.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 23 March 2018 06: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  I already wrote about this not so long ago, you apparently did not read it

                  recourse Sorry, but I'm not your fan ...
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  During the Great Patriotic War, the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) lost three members of the party of real literate Bolsheviks who were brought up in the ideological struggle in pre-revolutionary times

                  laughing Well, yes, yes, only if we face the truth with communist honesty, then we will see that "real, competent Bolsheviks" were cut out long before the Second World War! By 41, from the Leninist guard and from the heroes of Civil there were only a few units! Therefore, I do not read your fantastic stories, designed for young fragile minds request
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  The remaining Bolsheviks simply removed from the leadership

                  Who has suspended? Stalin died in 53, 8 years after the war, 8 years is a long time for it ..
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  again the education of the class proletarian collectivist ideology.

                  And this really touched me!
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  They understood that the Soviet people were infected with petty-bourgeois ideology.

                  Excuse me, my friend, what did the "old Bolsheviks" do after the Civil? Cottages, housekeepers, gardeners, personal cooks - not a return to petty-bourgeois ideology?
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  your smiles from ignorance of those circumstances.

                  laughing You are very presumptuous and very mistaken!
                  hi
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 23 March 2018 20: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Sorry, but I'm not your fan ...


                    I understand you, you only read what you like, but whether it is correct or not, you don’t care, the main process.

                    Quote: Serg65
                    Well, yes, yes, only if we face the truth with communist honesty, then we will see that "real, competent Bolsheviks" were cut out long before the Second World War! By 41, from the Leninist guard and from the heroes of Civil there were only a few units! Therefore, I do not read your fantastic stories, designed for young fragile minds


                    You are deeply mistaken that those who were purged were Bolsheviks. First, to study Marxism does not mean that you have become a Bolshevik. To do this, we must take the proletarian ideology, and secondly, many of the heroes of the civil war were illiterate and also did not understand Bolshevism, and therefore went for the Trotskyists.

                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    The remaining Bolsheviks simply removed from the leadership ..
                    Who has suspended? Stalin died in the 53rd 8 years after the war, 8 years is a long term that would ...
                    < then you repeated my words >

                    So, the Khrushchevites removed, I remember very well how I replaced the Stalinist leaders in our city. And why didn’t they manage to raise a shift? There is also an objective reason for this. After the war, immigrants from villages and from the former occupied regions, where petty-bourgeois consciousness flourished, poured into the city, they dissolved the remaining working class, they supported all of Khrushchev's undertakings.

                    PS Well, at first I thought of your smiles from ignorance of the circumstances of those times, but it turns out I was wrong, I forgot that laughter for no reason is a sign ...
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 24 March 2018 10: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I understood you

                      No, Alexander, you didn’t understand me at all, if I read something, then I’m looking for confirmation or refutation of this, by the way the Communists taught me not to take a word back in the distant 80's.
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      You are deeply mistaken that those who were purged were Bolsheviks,

                      A bold statement, I will tell you!
                      Those. all those who were associates of Lenin, namely; Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Rykov, Antonov-Ovseenko, Bakaev, Beloborodov, two Berzins, Bubnov, financial director of the RSDLP (b) Ganetsky, Goloshchekin, Evdokimov, Enukidze, Ioffe, Karahan, Medvedev, Preobrazhensky and hundreds of others - this is all not the Bolsheviks ??? So who then are the Bolsheviks if not these people who created the party of Bolsheviks ???
                      The Communists have a strange tradition of slandering their former comrades who have not accepted the line of leader, not of the party as a whole, but of the leader! Why is that? Let’s take Trotsky, if Trotsky hadn’t the Bolsheviks come to power in 17 and could prevail in the Civil War? And the same Zhukov, when it was necessary to close the front at all costs - he was needed, but the war was over and Zhukov was no longer a hero, but a bonaportist!
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I remember perfectly this time how the Stalinist leaders were replaced in our city

                      what My dear, who are you from?
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      After the war, immigrants from villages and former occupied areas poured into the city, where petty-bourgeois consciousness flourished

                      Note that your people are always somehow wrong. If ideological communists turned to the people before and not backwards, they would be surprised to see that the people by and large need food and a roof over their heads! Fi, this is so petty-bourgeois !!!!
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      they supported all the undertakings of Khrushchev.

                      My dear Alexander, Khrushchev did not have popular support !!! The people, especially the collective farmers did not like the "Tyrant of Communism", but taught by bitter experience (the KGB has not been canceled), they simply remained silent with gritted teeth.
                      I have long been convinced that communism was born as an ordinary commercial project aimed at a banal redistribution of property. By the way, the creation of the Communist Party is an excellent confirmation of my convictions!
                      Best regards hi
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 24 March 2018 16: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Those. all those who were associates of Lenin, namely; Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Rykov, Antonov-Ovseenko, Bakaev, Beloborodov, two Berzins, Bubnov, financial director of the RSDLP (b) Ganetsky, Goloshchekin, Evdokimov, Enukidze, Ioffe, Karahan, Medvedev, Preobrazhensky and hundreds of others - this is all not the Bolsheviks ???

                        I will not write for everyone, but as an example: Zinoviev and Kamenev gave the date of the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks, Bukharin sniffed with the Left Socialist Revolutionaries in 1918 on the issue of Brest, and in the summer of 1818 he discussed the arrest and murder of V.I. Lenin, and then they unitedly fought against the party’s line on building socialism, both in the time of the NEP and in the times of collectivization and industrialization. For example, after all this, my language does not dare to call them Bolsheviks. The others on your list have also worked hard to fight against the building of socialism.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        ... Khrushchev did not have popular support !!! The people, especially the collective farmers did not like the "Tyrant of Communism",

                        Khrushchev had support among the party-state-nomenclature, and the intelligentsia, among all who wanted to curtail the Stalinist model of socialism and move to a market economy, the peasantry also liked it. I remember (I’m a little older than you think) when the economic councils were introduced, how the local police deducted trading vehicles from the collective farm market with the numbers of the “foreign” economic council.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I have long been convinced that communism was born as an ordinary commercial project aimed at a banal redistribution of property. By the way, the creation of the Communist Party is an excellent confirmation of my convictions!

                        It is unfortunate that you have the wrong opinion about communism. Communism is not a commercial project for the redistribution of property, but the building of a society in which there will be no exploitation of man by man, and which will ensure to every man his comprehensive development as an individual.
                        Read to start V.I. Lenin "State and Revolution" and visit the site of the real Bolsheviks

                        https://work-way.com/
                        http://bolshevick.org/
            2. yttg
              yttg 22 March 2018 16: 43
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              that when Stalin came to power in the 24th

              In 1927 was
              Quote: Boris55
              After the Stalinist recruitment, the number of Bolsheviks - the simple working people, in the party began to numerically exceed the Trotskyists

              As a result of internal squabbles, the revisionists defeated the "old Bolsheviks."
              I am not a big supporter of the "old Bolsheviks", those whom the Stalinist revisionists slaughtered in the 30s. But the Bolshevik revisionists were a hundred times worse.
              Hongweibins were a certain analogue of this illiterate, uneducated, and evil mass of zombie fanatics (Bolshevik-Stalinists) in China. And the results of their "activities" were about the same.
              Quote: Boris55
              The party was popular.

              There were no parties in the USSR. The party in the USSR in those years is one of the names of Dzhugashvili. Later it was called the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU. They were also called the word "Homeland." "State". Etc. etc.
          2. yttg
            yttg 22 March 2018 16: 32
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            made the peasants serfs again?

            At first, the peasants. But since the summer of 1940, workers and office workers also became serfs. And even children studying in the Federal Law, for example. Those who are not in the know are those who paid for their studies with their own labor. Education in the USSR for more than 7th grade was paid. And not all parents could pay for it.
        2. yttg
          yttg 22 March 2018 16: 28
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          Under Stalin, yes.

          If by "the people of the USSR" we mean only one Dzhugashvili, but in fact, it was so, then yes.
          A little later, the composition of the "people of the USSR" strikingly coincided with the composition of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. The same "people" who really had power in the USSR.
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 22 March 2018 08: 55
        +1
        Well, like yes. Doubts?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 22 March 2018 09: 18
          +4
          Quote: Rey_ka
          Doubts?

          Ha, what other doubts !!!!!!!
      3. iouris
        iouris 23 March 2018 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        And in the Soviet Union type of power was the people?

        Any state (power) is a class control machine. Power never coincides with the population. The Soviet state pursued a goal expressing the interests of the broadest sections of the population, and solved the problem of eliminating human exploitation by man, and this goal was fixed by law.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 March 2018 16: 14
          +6
          Quote: iouris
          The Soviet state ... solved the problem of eliminating the exploitation of man by man ...

          ... which, however, did not abolish the exploitation of man by this very state.
          We need details - I have them yes
    2. Lenivets2
      Lenivets2 23 March 2018 22: 32
      +1
      "A few percent of the population gradually turned into social parasites."
      For which country and at what times is this expression not suitable?
      For all countries, including the USSR. hi
  3. apro
    apro 22 March 2018 06: 05
    +3
    The author gave his version. Uneven distribution of surplus product. But I think that there is another factor in Russia's natural poverty. Low surplus product compared to the West due to climatic and geographical reasons. There is also an uneven distribution of social groups. The control layer is less than 10%.
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 March 2018 06: 21
    +4
    Well: there were a number of informative articles. And here - again.

    With what I agree, the split has affected our history greatly.
    And about the division of classes.
    Favorite from A.K. Tolstoy:

    "There is a man, and a man.
    If he doesn’t drink the crop,
    I then respect the man. "
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 March 2018 07: 27
    +7
    As a result, several percent of the population gradually turned into social parasites, the colonialists of their own people.
    But ANY representative of the people with pleasure became this very parasite (if there was a chance) and tried in every possible way to this. And became a more brutal exploiter than the old.
    Spent funds received from estates or enterprises

    The author would know that the estates were the centers of the ADVANCED agricultural technology and the yields and yields, etc. were 50-70% higherthan the peasants. It was the bread of estates that was exported.
    Joining a war is crazy.

    Ahhh, it was necessary immediately, like the Bolsheviks, to give a third of the country to the aggressor, without a fight.
    Government abandoned people to fight for incomprehensible and alien him goals. Russian peasant didn't care

    Also, "spitting" the Russian peasant showed miracles of courage andat the Devil's Bridge in .... Switzerland (and this is much further than Poland), also, spitting, took twice Berlin, Paris, Prague, Warsaw. etc.
    The author is like insulted memory and military feat MILLION Russian soldierskilled in WWII and defended Fatherland from invaders, presenting them thoughtless limited people. The author would read the article historian Oleinikov about WOW about the exploits of the WISDOMS of soldiers and officers of the Russian Army in the name of the Fatherland. They were no smaller than in the Second World War.

    which the generals will suit not knowing modern warfare.
    They knew much more than those who arranged the Kiev, Vyazemsky, Kharkov, Crimean disaster 41-42 years, because they have them -not It was. As was not in the Second World War and a million compatriots who fought against their country in the Second World War.
    . The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project.

    This project established today's western border of Russia, giving design “Ukrainians” territories created by the sweat and blood of the Russian people and in just 70 years led the Russians to the Russian cross.
    "Good" chance!
    1. apro
      apro 22 March 2018 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      This project established today's western border of Russia, presenting to the project “Ukrainians” the territories created later by the blood of the Russian people and in only 70 years brought the Russians to the Russian cross.

      The western border of the red project passed along the Elbe. If that.
      The Reds are gone 30 years. Where is the progress under the Vlasov flag? 30 years of Stalinism. The USSR is the second global leader able to speak on equal terms with YOUR western partners.
      1. yttg
        yttg 22 March 2018 17: 41
        +2
        Quote: apro
        de progress under the Vlasov flag?

        In the wallet. And in the fridge.
        Did not notice? Open your eyes.
        Quote: apro
        30 years of Stalinism. The USSR is the second global leader able to speak on equal terms with YOUR western partners.

        I was always amazed at the ability of "Soviet people" to create myths. And their subsequent belief in the very same myths created by them. Pretty funny, naive and not even withstanding elementary criticism. But such Soviet ...
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 23 March 2018 00: 58
          +1
          Quote: yttg
          Quote: apro
          de progress under the Vlasov flag?
          In the wallet. And in the fridge.

          Do not specify for the "dull": In whose wallet and in whose refrigerator?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 March 2018 09: 08
        +2
        Quote: apro
        The western border of the red project passed along the Elbe. If that.

        Rely on DOCUMENTS, not agitation.
        Read the boundary treaties between the USSR and the RSFSR.
        Quote: apro
        The Reds are gone 30 years. Where is the progress under the Vlasov flag? 30 years Stalinism.THE USSR second global leader

        We ate and dressed worse than in 1913- And there was less housing too.
        Or then people, you think, fed on iron and slogans? fool .
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 22 March 2018 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      But ANY representative of the people with pleasure became this very parasite

      Not any, but only the one who was appointed. Those who resisted were destroyed.

      Quote: Olgovich
      estates were centers of ADVANCED technology

      Well, yes, Western civilizers came and began to teach Ivanov the mind of reason. Rave!
      Quote: Olgovich
      it was necessary immediately, like the Bolsheviks, to give a third of the country to the aggressor, without a fight.

      If you hadn’t entered that war, then you would see there would be no revolutions, no genocide of the Russian people, no civil war.
      Quote: Olgovich
      They knew much more than those who arranged the Kiev, Vyazem, Kharkov, Crimean disasters of 41-42, because they didn’t have them.

      All these catastrophes were arranged in order to remove Stalin. When the Germans stood near Moscow, Zhukov shouted the loudest than anyone else so that the Supreme would leave the capital to a safer place and at the same time an extraordinary congress would be scheduled, at which Stalin should be removed from power. It did not work out and only after that the offensive began ...
      Quote: Olgovich
      This project established today's western border of Russia, presenting to the project “Ukrainians” the territories created later by the blood of the Russian people and in only 70 years brought the Russians to the Russian cross.

      Again, you have cereal in your head. The Ukrainians-Trotskyists Khrushchev and Brezhnev led to this.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 22 March 2018 08: 51
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        Again, you have cereal in your head.

        what Hmm, you surpassed everyone here by the amount of your porridge!
        Quote: Boris55
        All these catastrophes were arranged in order to remove Stalin

        good A MASTERPIECE however!
        Quote: Boris55
        The Ukrainians-Trotskyists Khrushchev and Brezhnev led to this.

        laughing and the Great Ukrainophile Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich - does this name not tell you anything?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 March 2018 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          Hmm, you surpassed everyone here by the amount of your porridge!

          "Many things are incomprehensible to us, not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not included in the circle of our concepts." K.Prutkov.
          Quote: Serg65
          A MASTERPIECE however!


          Quote: Serg65
          The great Ukrainophile Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich - does this name not tell you anything?

          Конечно.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 22 March 2018 10: 00
            +4
            Boris55
            About Bonapartists, Trotskyists. Zhukov and the Russian elite

            Who is Zhukov? Zhukov is a die-hard, ready for anything for the sake of the Master! Until needed, kept!
            Quote: Boris55
            Конечно.

            Well, if you know this person, then you should not blame only Khrushchev and Brezhnev!
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 22 March 2018 12: 23
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              do not blame only Khrushchev and Brezhnev!

              And I not only blame them, I blame all the Trotskyists, but they became at the helm, and "To whom much is given, much will be asked."
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 22 March 2018 13: 47
                +4
                Quote: Boris55
                I blame all Trotskyists

                Ie L.M. Kaganovich, faithful ally of Joseph Vissarionovich, underground Trotskyist ??? Those. Stalin did not own the situation in Ukraine? belay
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 22 March 2018 16: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Ie L.M. Kaganovich, faithful ally of Joseph Vissarionovich, underground Trotskyist?

                  Not all Jews are Trotskyists and not all Trotskyists are Jews.
              2. yttg
                yttg 22 March 2018 17: 43
                +3
                Quote: Boris55
                I blame all Trotskyists

                In fact, the Trotskyists were shot back in the 30s. And you blame them all and blame them.
                For more imagination is not enough?
          2. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 22 March 2018 16: 17
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            Boris55

            Ah ... ahhh, pyakin wassat it was rumored that he was in a fool what
    3. BAI
      BAI 22 March 2018 16: 56
      +3
      Ahhh, it was necessary immediately, like the Bolsheviks, to give a third of the country to the aggressor, without a fight.

      The Bolsheviks returned almost all at once, and the rest - after some time.
      And Wrangel planned to pay the territories for the war against his own people irrevocably. The Bolsheviks did not.
      1. yttg
        yttg 22 March 2018 17: 45
        +4
        Quote: BAI
        And Wrangel planned to pay the territories for the war against his own people irrevocably.

        And he also probably wanted to eat steaks from the Bolsheviks? No? Did Sovagitprop write anything about this?
        They carry nonsense and are satisfied.
        1. BAI
          BAI 22 March 2018 22: 08
          +2
          For this reason, General Slashchev departed from Wrangel. So, no matter how unpleasant it was for you to listen to it - at the head of the white movement were those scoundrels. And this is a fact confirmed by the general of the white movement. Learn history, not ideological dogma.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 March 2018 09: 10
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        The Bolsheviks returned almost all at once, and the rest - after some time.

        False
        Quote: BAI
        And Wrangel planned to pay the territories for the war against his own people irrevocably. The Bolsheviks did not.

        Lying.
        1. BAI
          BAI 23 March 2018 13: 38
          +1
          Lying.

          This is not an argument.
  6. Streletskos
    Streletskos 22 March 2018 07: 27
    +18
    Peasant wars - Bolotnikova, Razin, Pugachev, etc. the most massive and difficult in the history of Russia.
    It's clear why
    1. Cheburator
      Cheburator 22 March 2018 08: 41
      +17
      Forgot the peasant war against Soviet power under the leadership of Antonov
      1. captain
        captain 22 March 2018 09: 37
        +3
        Quote: Cheburator
        Forgot the peasant war against Soviet power under the leadership of Antonov

        I apologize, but not Antonov, but Tokmanev. Antonov was "placed" at the head of the uprising by the Bolsheviks. Antonov was a Left SR and the Bolsheviks used his participation in the Tambov uprising as chief of staff of the 2 Army. And there was the "Chepan War" in the territory of the Samara province and Saratov. Shadrinsk uprising. Novocherkassk, Grozny (Russian uprising), etc.
        1. Cheburator
          Cheburator 22 March 2018 09: 47
          +17
          Yes, a whole bunch of wars
      2. naidas
        naidas 24 March 2018 17: 03
        0
        the Tambov war does not roll into a peasant war.
        Relatives in the city were sent a mess for bread, relatives in the village disarmed the team, somewhere the team leaders were killed (they themselves threatened to blame), the Socialist-Revolutionaries Antonov and the company joined in. City residents sat in the city, village in the village, until the Polish War ended. And the whole end of the peasant war against the Soviet regime under the leadership of Antonov.
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 22 March 2018 07: 32
    +2
    Quote: A. Samsonov
    The most passionate, strong part of the people - the Old Believers, went into schism and gradually created their own Russia. The confrontation of the people and the authorities. The people tried to throw off and destroy the alien power at any opportunity.

    That's right, except that not the Old Believers have gone into schism. The Old Believers are called Old Believers because they remained faithful to the old faith, and Nikon was a schismatic for his affairs. It was he who declared war on the Magi, who defended the interests of the people. An open confrontation began with the “Solovetsky Seat” (1668 ─ 1676) and will continue to be hidden until now, which, however, was demonstrated by the past elections - not a single pro-Western candidate could even get close to Putin.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 22 March 2018 08: 20
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      All right

      You are mistaken, all the "Old Believers" subsequently split into many warring sects, and of course they did not create any of their own in Russia.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 March 2018 08: 32
        0
        Not so simple. But the absence of bishops led, for example, to such a sense as "lack of faith." But this is already beginning with the tragedy of Pavel Kolomensky should be considered.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 22 March 2018 08: 37
        0
        Quote: bober1982
        You are mistaken, all the "Old Believers" subsequently split

        This was later and not without the participation of the Nikonians - divide and conquer. Initially, a single church was split by Nikon.
        Quote: bober1982
        Of course, they did not create any of their own in Russia.

        They have not created, and to this day they retain the one that was - when the initial capital is not something dishonestly acquired, and therefore stealing stolen is not a shame (which gave rise to corruption), but when the capital is initially public, where to steal from itself doom their children to poverty.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 22 March 2018 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Initially, a single church was split by Nikon.

          He could not split it, Patriarch Nikon was supported by all the Local Churches - Holy Eastern Churchesand.
          We speak different languages.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 March 2018 09: 06
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            We speak different languages.

            And if there were neither Nikon nor his reforms, then there would not be anyone to support. The church would coexist as well as before it.
            With the advent of the Romanovs and the establishment of serfdom, in order to keep slaves in obedience, there was an urgent need for a change in ideology, which Nikon was engaged in.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 22 March 2018 09: 22
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              With the advent of the Romanovs and the establishment of serfdom,

              You, as the author of the article, greatly exaggerate the role of the Romanovs in all people's troubles. By the way, this time - the rule of the Romanovs, was not the best time for the Church.
              I don’t want to talk about Peter the Great and Catherine II, they simply arranged a pogrom, Alexander I was more a mystic and Protestant, the good Nikolai II - I gave too many liberties and freedoms to non-believers.
              And you are talking about some kind of ideology, and the Church is not (and never has) been engaged in this, for which it is to it.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 March 2018 12: 05
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                Quote: bober1982
                Romanov rule was not the best time for the Church

                For adherents of the old faith, yes.
                Quote: bober1982
                And you are talking about some kind of ideology, and the Church is not (and never has) been engaged in this, for which it is to it.

                This is now, when she was formed a stable idea of ​​the World in generations, she went into the shadows and conducts structureless management. The thoughts laid to her by our ancestors already live on their own. At the same time, the church, in modern terms, was the ruling party, the only source of information in villages and villages ...
                In the 10th century there was a change in the social system, exactly the same as in the 16th, in 1917, in 1990. With every change in the social system, its ideology also changes. The goal of any ideology is to hide the true intentions of the authorities. Nikon was engaged in the cover of slavery, passing it off as a blessing.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 22 March 2018 12: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The goal of any ideology is to hide the true intentions of the authorities. Nikon was engaged in the cover of slavery, passing it off as a blessing.

                  Nikon was a great Patriarch, he wanted to build the Church on a canonical basis, the authorities (venal boyars) did not forgive him for this - they quarreled with the king, lying and slandering him, an eruption from the priesthood, a link to the monastery.
                  And what kind of cover for slavery he did is not entirely clear.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 22 March 2018 13: 40
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                    Quote: bober1982
                    ... he wanted to arrange the Church on a canonical basis ...

                    He wanted to arrange the Church on a canonical basis according to the Western model.
                    Quote: bober1982
                    ... And what kind of cover for slavery he did is not entirely clear. ...

                    The whole life of the people was regulated by church books. Without changing the old dogma, it was impossible to effectively introduce serfdom. Nikon began this process, thanks to which he became famous.
                    Roughly speaking, Nikon is our Gorbachev.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 22 March 2018 15: 10
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                      Quote: Boris55
                      Roughly speaking, Nikon is our Gorbachev.

                      Usually compared (some contemporaries) with Gaidar reforms, but by the way.
                      The expression “Nikon Reforms” became the term, although all the transformations were being prepared and started to be carried out before the Nikon Patriarchate, as they continued after its elimination. The assessments of the Patriarch’s activity are very contradictory, both negative and enthusiastic, even in the church environment itself.
                      But the fact remains - after the expulsion of Patriarch Nikon, the Church was taken under strict control of the tsarist government, this most notorious "German" influence began.
                      The authorities did not need a strong church authority, represented by Nikon, and therefore there were so many far-fetched negative assessments of his activities.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 22 March 2018 16: 15
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                        Quote: bober1982
                        The church was taken under strict control by the royal authority.

                        I would say differently. The church has gone into the shadow of the reigning person. It is this property, as if not to be involved in what is happening in social life, that allows the church to be in good health for so long. All the bumps fall on the visible power and not one, on the power not visible.
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Authorities did not need strong church authority

                        The power was completely under the control of the church; only the church exercised control of power (and people) at a different level - structureless. What it is is that when everyone knows the 10 commandments and tries not to violate them, even without going to church and denying their influence on themselves, they are still under its influence. Colored eggs are all eaten by believers, and agnostics, and atheists smile
                  2. Monarchist
                    Monarchist 22 March 2018 18: 55
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                    Comrade "beaver" Nikon's removal, previous and subsequent events are so confusing that it is difficult to clearly interpret them
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 22 March 2018 08: 46
    +2
    With such a heading, it is strange that Nestor Makhno and his peasant republic are not mentioned at all.
    1. naidas
      naidas 24 March 2018 17: 24
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      There, about machine guns and carts, Makhno, if he did not invent the cart, he figured out how to fight on carts.
  9. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 22 March 2018 09: 47
    +5
    No matter how much they blame Samsonov, but conceptually he is right. And the ability to apply arguments and build an evidence line is a purely individual process! To whom God has given!
    They just examined an article on the situation in present-day Russia and banking policy. In fact, that article continues this Samson article! What the author writes about here fully corresponds to the realities of our days, which is reflected in the material mentioned above, but there is no need to rest on the words of peasant nobles! And everything falls into place. Modern Russia is at a crossroads again! But where to move, alas, does not depend on the opinion of the people, but where the Zionic sages will lead us again! The risk is incredible! Nowadays, nuclear weapons, the Internet, the supermobility of society and the world, everything can end very quickly and forever!
    Samsonov does not stamp anything, he analyzes the present on the example of the historical past! You just need to see a little longer than the tip of your own nose and Claudia.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 March 2018 14: 55
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      Quote: sib.ataman
      But where to move, alas, does not depend on the opinion of the people,

      Well why. The election has just passed. Different parties proposed different paths from the confrontation to the complete surrender. The people made their choice.
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 March 2018 15: 20
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    "The only chance for the success of Russian civilization and the people was given only by the red project." ////

    Or white smile . With a true constitutional monarchy. Like in England or Sweden.
    But not Makhnovsky, who was attractive, but utopian
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 March 2018 18: 48
      +1
      Warrior, I will lightly sign you: Makhno was not theorists of anarchy, but only tried to translate the teachings: Kropotkin, Bakunin and Lavrov into reality
      In the late seventies in the Soviet Union there was a film adaptation of "Walking on Hands" and there is shown a theoretical debate of the anarchist and the Bolshevik Chugai
    2. yttg
      yttg 22 March 2018 19: 31
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      With a true constitutional monarchy.

      There could be no constitutional monarchy in Russia; the mentality is not the same. And the white movement consisted almost entirely not of monarchists at all.
      The monarchists just fought for the Reds. Forced to mobilize, but just for them.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 March 2018 23: 08
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        "There could not be a constitutional monarchy in Russia, the mentality is not the same" ////

        It's hard to say ... Mentality is changing. Even in Turkey, there is some semblance of democracy after Kemal Pasha (Atatürk) spun his radical reforms.
        And so what were the Turks in the "Sultan" mentality! More abruptly than in Russia.
        There was a certain illusory chance for a reformed moderate monarchy or a Duma republic if Denikin took Moscow and popped Lenin and Trotsky. But this is if, yes, if only ... sad
        1. zombirusrev
          zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 24
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          He would not have flooded anywhere. The tsarist elite degenerated, they did not have normal generals except Slashchev, the people did not want to be beaten up in the stables again and the land was taken away. It was the Jews who scrambled into London from the kibbutzim, and the people did not want to give up the land, for the same reason, then the Bolsheviks had problems during collectivization, but these problems were significantly less than, for example, in England in the era of industrialization, which began with "fencing" (with )
  11. Gorbunov Artem
    Gorbunov Artem 22 March 2018 15: 52
    +1
    In my opinion everything is on the whole. In modern history, everything is repeated with mirror precision.
  12. yttg
    yttg 22 March 2018 16: 12
    +1
    One of the main fronts of the Civil War was the confrontation of power and peasantry. The main part of the Russian people - the peasantry, spoke out against any government at all. The peasants have created their own project - the freemen of the people.

    Nonsense. At first, the majority of peasants were for the Bolsheviks. Which are promised them land.
    Until then, until they began to rob them during the "war communism". But by then it was already late, the village was already firmly bridled by them.
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 26
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      This is why the Bolsheviks introduced the NEP. And the tsar also introduced the surplus during the imperialist war.
  13. BAI
    BAI 22 March 2018 17: 50
    +1
    The author wrote about how courageous White Guards fought against the godless Reds - was good. He criticized the nobles - he immediately became ill. But in any case, without “matrices” and “super ethos” - very good.
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 18: 40
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    Stamps, stamps, stamps ......, question to the Author, if you remove the husk, what remains?

    Will remain zilch
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 19: 22
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    [quote = Boris55] [quote = Serg65] And in the Soviet Union, type of power was popular? [/ quote]
    Under Stalin, yes!
    Partly right: Stalin wanted to deprive the party of power and give back to the people.
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 20
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      The party was a people's oligarchy its Khrushchev made. Another thing is that Stalin, Beria and Zhdanov understood this, but could not clarify the essence of the matter, on which they got burnt (they were killed by Khrushchev and KO)
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 20: 32
    +1
    “In Russia, the Romanov nobles got the opportunity to be social parasites” The author seems to have a memory problem: he claims that in the Moscow kingdom, probably, the time of Iran the Terrible, the nobles served and received land for the service. And the bad Romanovs spoiled the nobles. Does the author remember that Peter the Great made ALL the nobles to SERVE? It was only after his death that the Decrees appeared: "On Noble Liberty"
    And especially the author does not like the official church, and the Old Believers are all "white and fluffy." But does he remember various Old Believer sects such as whips? Since the time of Emperor Alexander 1, various savage sects have been strictly prohibited. Stalin continued the practice in relation to various places, by the way, Stalin was more attuned to the official church: he ordered the Moscow Patriarchate, atheist publishing house to be handed over, but forgotten the Old Believers? Remember how Metropolitan Sergius (he was a supporter of the patriarch Tikhon, the enemy of Soviet power) received Stalin. The Nikonians, that is, the Moscow Patriarchate, supported the struggle against the fascists, and the Old Believers: Voskoboinikov, Kaminsky collaborated with the fascists. The first, together with their friendly friends, created the Lokot Republic and exterminated Soviet activists. Then the Old Believers waged war with the Soviet regime until the fifties. But the Kamensky SS gruppenführer even outraged Hitler with his atrocities and the Gestapo of this "gruppenführer" ....
    The author does not remember this or does not want to remember?
    Here they remembered Razin, Bolotnikov, Pugachev, and forgot that these dogs somehow collaborated with the most ardent enemies of Russia: Persia, Turkey, England, Poland,. A strange coincidence?
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 17
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      Ss ... links to the studio otherwise it's ... fffftopku.
  17. Weyland
    Weyland 24 March 2018 18: 20
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    How do vile commies am , prosravshy great country, their vile language turns to criticize the dynasty, in which Russia became a world power ?!
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 14
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      It became world under commies, and under the Romanovs, it could not even reach the regional level. You apparently do not understand the meaning of the words you say. No one in the world supported RI, and the USSR was revered from Nicaragua to Mongolia. RI was typing at the outskirts of Europe and wanted the European family, like the elite elite, to get out of this, so too, oh oh Putin .. We don’t need the whole thing, just a patchwork colony.
  18. zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 1 December 2018 23: 10
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    Author rights "There was a Westernization (Westernization) of the social elite. In Russia, there were noblemen-" Europeans "for whom their native language was German, French and English, but not Russian." (C) Lev Gumilyov also spoke about this, he called it " The anti-national monarchy "(c) the national elite did not become a word at all, it became a westernized type of Russian elite dressed in Western clothes and speaking in Pidgin English and other foreign dialects. The situation was aggravated under Peter the 3rd when the nobles were allowed not to serve the state, but not to give the peasants and land, the result was a caste of parasites which the Bolsheviks threw off, for which we thank them.