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Why tried to kill Lenin

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Why tried to kill Lenin

The main event of the end of August 1918 will be the famous attempt on Vladimir Lenin. Almost simultaneously with the Social Revolutionary attacks, the Cheka announced the disclosure of the so-called "Lockcard plot". The conspiracy was organized by diplomatic representatives and intelligence services of Great Britain, France and the United States with the aim of overthrowing Soviet power.


30 August 1918 in Petrograd was killed by the head of the local Cheka, Moses Uritsky, and the leader of the Bolsheviks, Vladimir Lenin, was wounded in Moscow. Uritsky was shot by the people's socialist Leonid Kannegiser. He was part of an underground anti-Bolshevik group headed by his cousin MM. Filonenko. And Filonenko maintained a close relationship with B.V. Savinkov, who ordered the liquidation of Uritsky. Kannegiser, by his own admission, decided to take revenge on Uritsky for the death of his friend, officer V. B. Perelzweig, shot by the Petrograd Cheka in the case of a counter-revolutionary conspiracy in the Mikhailovsky Artillery School. Immediately after his arrest, he declared: “I am a Jew. I killed a Jewish vampire, drop by drop who had drunk the blood of the Russian people. I tried to show the Russian people that for us Uritsky is not a Jew. He is a renegade. I killed him in the hope of restoring the good name of the Russian Jews. ”

Fanny Kaplan, who shot at Lenin, was also from a Jewish teacher family. She was a professional revolutionary and already in 16 years was preparing a major terrorist act. During preparation for the terrorist act as a result of careless handling, an improvised explosive device worked, Kaplan was wounded in the head and partially lost her sight. She was arrested and sentenced to hard labor. All her youth - before 28 years, she spent in prisons and hard labor, where she was blind and in fact became a disabled person. But after the amnesty of the Provisional Government in 1917, she managed to go to Crimea for treatment and partially restore her eyesight. 30 August 1918 of the year at the Michelson plant in Zamoskvoretsky district of Moscow held a rally of workers. Vladimir Lenin performed on it. After the rally in the yard of the plant Kaplan shot at the leader of the revolution. Two bullets hit Lenin: in the neck and arm, the third bullet hit the woman standing next to Lenin. Kaplan was immediately seized and to the question on whose orders this was done, she replied: “At the suggestion of the social revolutionaries. I have fulfilled my duty with valor and I will die with valor. "

During interrogations, Kaplan reported that she was extremely negative about the October Revolution, and supports the idea of ​​convening a Constituent Assembly to organize power in the new Russia, sympathizes with the Komuch government (Committee of the Constituent Assembly) in Samara and the Social Revolutionary Party Chernov, but refused to answer whether it is connected with any or anti-bolshevik political forces. Later, in 1922, during the trial of the leaders and activists of the Social Revolutionaries, one of them, Grigory Semyonov, testified that even at the beginning of 1918, the Military Organization of the Social Revolutionaries decided to resume their activities and the first to eliminate the persecutor of the Petrograd press and the organizer of the election fraud Petrograd Soviet V. Volodarsky, then planned to kill Leon Trotsky, but he went to the front. Then it was decided to kill Lenin, to which Fanny Kaplan volunteered as a performer. Semenov also said that the bullets were smeared with an instantaneous poison, but the high temperature at the shot caused him to decompose. Lenin, in any case, recovered from his injury fairly quickly (he was actively working in mid-October).

However, it later emerged that Kaplan could not shoot Lenin so successfully, as she still saw poorly (she could only distinguish between silhouettes) and that the bullets caught in Lenin did not match the caliber with Kaplan Browning. Official confirmation they have not received. A few days after the assassination attempt on Uritsky and Lenin, Kannegiser and Kaplan will be shot. That is, the main witnesses were promptly “cleared out”.

Almost simultaneously with the Socialist Revolutionary attacks, the Cheka announced the disclosure of the so-called "Lockcart conspiracy" ("ambassadors conspiracy"). Robert Lockhart (Lockhart) was the head of the British diplomatic mission in Moscow. According to the official version, the conspiracy was organized by diplomats and secret services of England, France and the United States with the aim of overthrowing the Soviet government, denouncing the Brest peace and resuming hostilities of Russia and Germany on the Eastern Front. The conspiracy, in addition to Lekkard, was attended by the ambassadors of France J. Noulance and the United States D. R. Francis.

The plot was revealed as follows. In June, 1918 F. Dzerzhinsky sent two Latvians, Jan Buikis and Jan Sprogis, to Petrograd with the task of penetrating the anti-Soviet underground. With the help of the English sailors, the Chekists managed to get acquainted with the head of the counter-revolutionary organization, the naval attaché of the British Embassy F. Cromie. The naval attache introduced them to the British intelligence agent S. Reilly and advised them to go to Moscow, supplying him with a letter for transmission to Lockhart, who planned to establish contacts with influential commanders of Latvian riflemen. In Moscow, after a meeting with Dzerzhinsky and Peters, it was decided to “slip” Lokkart of the commander of the artillery division of the Latvian division E.P. Berzin, issuing it for solidity for the colonel. 14 and 15 in August Berzin met with Lockhart, and then 17, 19, 21 in August with Reilly. Reilly handed Berzin ultimately 1,2 million rubles as payment for the overthrow of the Latvian regiments of Soviet power in Moscow.

Lockhart tried to bribe the Latvian riflemen who were guarding the Kremlin to arrest and liquidate the Soviet government, and then let British troops moving to the south from Arkhangelsk to Moscow. Also, the Westerners planned to organize a series of terrorist attacks on railway transport in order to disorganize management and transport in Russia. 3 September 1918, the Izvestia Central Executive Committee published an official report on the conspiracy: “the conspiracy led by British-French diplomats, led by the British mission chief Lockhart, French Consul General Grenard, French General Lauren and others, aimed at organizing the seizure, with the help of bribing parts, was eliminated Soviet troops, the Council of People's Commissars and the proclamation of a military dictatorship in Moscow. "

On August 30, after the assassination of Uritzky and Lenin, the KGB decided that a counter-revolutionary coup began. Chekists in Petrograd broke into the British mission and arrested its members, who resisted Cromie was killed. 31 August arrested Lokkarta. After his arrest, Lockhart himself refused to answer the questions of the security officers. As a diplomat, he was soon released and expelled from Soviet Russia. In October 1918, foreign diplomats left the borders of Soviet Russia.

The response of the Soviet government to the assassination and the Western conspiracy was mass terror. On September 2, the Central Executive Committee chairman Yakov Sverdlov announced that the answer to the attempt on Lenin’s assassination, the murder of Uritzky and the conspiracy of Lockhart would be a “red terror”. September 5 will be issued and the decree of the Council of People's Commissars (SNK) on the red terror.

In this way, история The assassination attempt on Lenin is dark. Kaplan - a sick, half-blind woman, apparently, could not make a successful attempt. She was taken and quickly eliminated to hide the real conspirators. All evidence of her guilt resurfaced only in the 1922 year, on the fabricated process of the Social Revolutionaries, moreover, from the lips of the reporters provocateurs Semenov and Konopleva. The threads of the conspiracy are drawn to Yakov Sverdlov and Lev Trotsky (agents of the West), who tried to eliminate Lenin and seize power in Soviet Russia in order to complete the global experiment to create a “new world order” based on false communism (world revolution and world union of republics). Trotsky was to become the head of Russia and complete the destruction of the Russian civilization and the Russian people. The resources and wealth of Russia were to become the material basis for the creation of a "world government" and a state. Therefore, Western diplomats and special services participated in the conspiracy. However, man proposes, and God disposes. Plans of the owners of the West about the future of Russia once again misfired.

Also worth noting is the fact that Lenin decided to abandon the policy of “balancing” between the two Western imperialist camps (which Trotsky conducted). Lenin resolutely suppressed her. In this situation, the Entente powers were the most powerful and dangerous enemy. The German bloc was already collapsing, and Moscow could soon abandon the most difficult conditions of Brest. If the winners - England, USA, France and Japan will be able to gain a foothold in the territory of Russia, then it will be much more difficult to knock them out. Therefore, in contrast to the Entente, Lenin went on a further rapprochement with Germany, up to a military alliance. This was reflected in a secret agreement - the so-called. "Brest-2".

On August 27 in Berlin an additional secret treaty was concluded between Soviet Russia and the Second Reich. In accordance with this treaty, Russia now recognized the independence of not only Ukraine, but also Georgia. Confirmed the refusal of the land of Estonia and Livonia (Latvia), subject to access to the ports of Revel (now the capital of Estonia Tallinn), Riga and Windawa. Russia promised as much as possible to expel the troops of the Entente countries from its territory. In the region of Murmansk, if Soviet Russia does not cope on its own, the Germans promised assistance to the German-Finnish troops. In exchange, Soviet Russia managed to bargain for Germany’s commitment to return the Crimea and Belarus, Rostov-on-Don and part of the Donbass after the war, the obligation not to lay claim to Baku (at that time it was one of the most important oil regions of the world). Germany also promised to no longer occupy any territories of Russia and not to support separatist movements, to influence the interests of Russia on the Turks who had already stormed Baku and to withdraw their troops from the territories of Belarus east of the Berezina as a gesture of goodwill in the coming months.

The contract was the material part. Soviet Russia undertook to pay Germany, as reparations and expenses for the maintenance of Russian prisoners of war, a huge contribution - 6 billion marks, including 1,5 billion gold (245,5 tons of pure gold) and credit obligations, 1 billion raw materials. Already in September, the first "golden trains" were sent to Germany, in which 93,5 tons of gold were located. Later, Russian gold was transferred to France as a contribution imposed on Germany under the Versailles Peace Treaty.

It is clear that Western governments and special services did not like this very much. Already 30 August Lenin tried to kill, and his place was to take a Western agent of influence, Trotsky. Cards conspirators confused Dzerzhinsky. He did not at all like the unbridled rampage of Western intelligence services in the territory under his jurisdiction, he was not an agent of the West. He managed to introduce his agents into the Western network, and naval counterintelligence did a good job. As a result, the Chekists had information about the organization of the coup. And immediately after the attempt on Lenin, Dzerzhinsky struck back at Western agents, made mass arrests in Moscow and Petrograd, and foiled the plans of the conspirators.

However, further events showed that the positions of Western agents in the Soviet leadership are still very strong. Sverdlov, immediately after injuring Lenin, seized control levers. Dzerzhinsky was sent on leave and was forced into hiding until Lenin recovered; he was replaced by the creature Sverdlov-Peters. The cases of the attempted assassination of Lenin and the "conspiracy of the ambassadors" were divided. The case of the attempt on Lenin was quickly hushed up, the witnesses were removed, cutting off all the threads to the customers. Of the numerous arrested no one was executed. Foreigners fled or were expelled from the country. Of the defendants who were brought before the tribunal, some were acquitted, some were sentenced to short terms of imprisonment and soon pardoned, released.

Thus, emissaries of the "backstage of the world" had strong positions in Soviet Russia, although they could not capture the place of the party and country leaders. And they can clean up the “fifth column” in the USSR only before the beginning of the Second World War (this is one of the secrets of the “great cleansing”).
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 August 2018 06: 34
    -1
    In Moscow, after a meeting with Dzerzhinsky and Peters it was decided to “slip” Lockhart into the commander of the artillery division of the Latvian division E.P. Berzin, giving him for solidity as a colonel.

    What does "slip" mean? belay
    Everything was for real, what is the Verdict of the USSR Armed Forces of 1938:
    The preliminary and judicial investigation established that Berzin since 1918 on assignment enemies of the people of Peters systematically supplied english intelligence spyware. On assignment enemies of the people of Rudzutak and Bokiya systematically supplied German intelligence spyware about the USSR and the activities of the anti-Soviet underground. On the instructions of German intelligence created at Vishkhimzavod, where he was director, a sabotage organization.
    Thus, the guilt of Berzin in committing the crimes under Art. 58-1b

    Moreover, the spies and traitors Peters and Berzin acted much longer than some Lockhart, right up to 1937 yes

    It can be added that F. Kaplan was destroyed (executed) without the slightest hint of trial in 2 days, the Kremlin itself, her body was stuffed into a barrel of tar there, filled with gasoline and burned. How striking are the differences with the "brutal" tsarist regime!

    In 1922, the foundation stone of the future monument “at the place of attempt on the life of the leader of the world proletariat ...” was erected on the spot of the assassination attempt. Currently, the foundation stone to this day remains in place. People call him call him Monument to Fanny Kaplan.. Which, in principle, is true. yes
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 30 August 2018 15: 11
      +1
      When Kaplan was asked why she had committed this crime, Kaplan did not open her back and replied that Lenin’s continued existence undermined people's faith in socialism. During interrogations, she admitted her connection with the party of socialist revolutionaries, but stated that this attempt was not a party assignment and she committed it “on her own behalf”.

      However, the KGB did not believe in this version. In fairness, it is worth noting that they had good reason - and on the same day in Petrograd, the Socialist Revolutionaries killed the chairman of the Petrograd Cheka, Moses Uritsky. All this allowed the Bolsheviks to declare “red terror” in the country a week later.
      On September 5, 1918, the SNK issued a decree stating that the introduction of terror was a direct necessity, and that it was necessary to rid the Soviet Republic of class enemies. All persons involved in the White Guard organizations, conspiracies and rebellions were shot.

      One of the first victims of this terror was Fanny Kaplan herself, who was shot without trial on the oral order of the chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, Yakov Sverdlov, three days after the assassination attempt. Her body, according to one version, was doused with kerosene and burned in an iron barrel in the Alexander Garden.

      The very quickly conducted investigation and the subsequent non-public reprisal against Kaplan more resembled the “covering of traces" than the desire to get to the bottom of the truth. What gave rise to the birth of various conspiracy theories.

      According to one of them, the attempt on Lenin was the result of a political struggle within the Bolshevik elite and it was organized by Yakov Sverdlov, who soon died himself under very mysterious circumstances.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 31 August 2018 06: 29
        +3
        . the story of the attempt on Lenin is dark. Kaplan - a sick, half-blind woman, apparently, could not carry out a successful attempt. She was taken and quickly eliminated to hide the real conspirators.

        If it wasn’t Kaplan (not only) who shot it, and therefore it was eliminated, then there was still a living witness, Lenin himself, who could share what and who actually shot him.
      2. Ekaterina Shtepa
        Ekaterina Shtepa 24 October 2018 12: 48
        0
        Trotsky and Sverdlov are the paws of the Jews ... They wanted to seize power! And the execution of the royal family is also linked to this with everything. Do you agree?
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 30 August 2018 21: 44
      +13
      Quote: Olgovich
      her body was stuffed into a barrel of tar there, filled with gasoline and burned.

      The farther events leave us, the more fables come up about them.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 August 2018 05: 42
        -9
        Quote: Alexander Green
        The farther events leave us, the more fables come up about them.

        Yeah, these really made things seem impossible to NORMAL people.
        The Bolshevik Yurovsky, who had just burned children and women in Yekaterinburg, simply repeated the experience of Yekaterinburg in the Kremlin.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 31 August 2018 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          The Bolshevik Yurovsky, who had just burned children and women in Yekaterinburg, simply repeated the experience of Yekaterinburg in the Kremlin.

          Are you sure about that?
        2. aakvit
          aakvit 1 September 2018 23: 47
          +3
          As the great-grandson of the colonel of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia of the sample of 1916, I ask - yes ?!
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 7 October 2018 19: 05
      +1
      I knew that the first "slops" would come from this Russophobe Olgovich.
    4. Petrik66
      Petrik66 9 November 2018 13: 25
      0
      What kind of people call this stone?
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  3. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
    Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 30 August 2018 06: 52
    +1
    Kaplan shot Blanca at the Michelson factory ...
    How is it all in Russian, however :-)))
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 30 August 2018 08: 45
      -13
      I agree with the author’s interim conclusion: Lenin tried to kill his Jewish friends Sverdlov, Trotsky and other adherents of the world revolution. Since Lenin betrayed them, changing his course from the world revolution to retaining power at all costs (smacks of Bonapartism) under the auspices of the victory of the revolution in a single country.
      In a word, the red spiders fought in one bank, but then they caught on in time and declared the enemies of the essers and their other revolutionary colleagues, which gave rise to the outbreak of red terror.
      1. Seal
        Seal 31 August 2018 17: 25
        +1
        Or maybe not. After all, the so-called "rebellion" of the Left SRs took place before the attempt on Lenin's life. By the summer of 1918, Sverdlov had strengthened his position so much that, considering himself the real leader of the party, he already without hesitation signed party documents as "chairman of the Central Committee". In July 1918, relying on Dzerzhinsky and his Cheka apparatus, Sverdlov made an almost open attempt to seize all power, taking advantage of a staging that went down in history as a "revolt of the Left SRs", although there was no rebellion at all: there was a provocation, with the help of which they kicked out of power a political party competing with the Bolsheviks.

        It was no accident then that Trotsky, handing the package of money to the commander of the Latvian arrows Vacetis as a reward for the rendered service to suppress the "rebellion", said ambiguously: "You defeated one of the biggest political combinations and do not know who you were smashing." Although the position of Lenin was then greatly weakened, but on every action he inventively found his own hardware opposition. If Sverdlov then relied on Dzerzhinsky and his KGB apparatus in this undercover fight, then Trotsky, both his military and military-political apparatus, became Lenin's support.

        Sverdlov’s next step was, as some researchers believe, an attempt on Lenin’s attempt on August 30, 1918, at the Michelson factory, which he had already inspected, according to some researchers. Immediately after the assassination attempt, Sverdlov was the first to arrive in the Kremlin, immediately occupying the Leninist cabinet, crushing the Sovnark for himself (the apparatuses of the Central Committee and the All-Russian Central Executive Committee were already in his hands). But the leader not only survived, but rather quickly recovered, substantively demonstrating to all interested parties that the imperfection had not frightened him and that he was not going to give up power.
      2. Ekaterina Shtepa
        Ekaterina Shtepa 24 October 2018 12: 49
        0
        And you look at the national composition of the Socialist Revolutionaries, People’s Volunteers and others! ...
  4. Basil50
    Basil50 30 August 2018 06: 56
    +30
    Well, there was a comment. How much did these idiots get.
    The king was arrested by those who had the same * close relationship * with the same king. They destroyed the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and divided between * allies * * temporary * - all liberals.
    Collected the state of the Bolsheviks. Where does the frenzied hatred of both Bolsheviks and B and Lenin and B and Stalin come from? Really for the fact that they managed to create a single country and defend it from the invaders and the Nazis?
    Why so much malice?
    And by the way, about the origin. In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE neither the tsar nor the * elite * were RUSSIAN. They purposefully * calibrated * with the import nobility. Moreover, the first empress was the daughter of a rabbi. This is for those concerned * about the dominance of the Jews *.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 August 2018 08: 16
      -27
      Quote: Vasily50
      Collected the state of the Bolsheviks.

      Rurikovich, Romanovs and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE gathered Russia for thousand years- to the Thief and the Bolsheviks. Swiss foreign tourists, having lived half their lives abroad, gave the German occupiers a third of the country-FOREVER. The border of that Brest betrayal -until today is the western border of Russia. Read books and take a look at the map!
      The Bolsheviks, individually, established in 1917-1937 today's borders Russia, returning them to their state 17 century. The fact that the Russian people mastered and defended in for 3 centuries at the cost of millions of their sons, they gave them away to the "Ukrainians" they created, etc., and there they forcibly turned the Russians into Outskirts.
      This communists destroyed the fruits of creative titanic labor many many generations of the Russian people.
      1. Andy
        Andy 30 August 2018 12: 39
        +18
        but nothing that you, monarchists, and the Germans loved these territories. then they brought the interventionists to Russian soil. and the Bolsheviks kicked them to the best of their ability. alone in the ring of enemies. having gained strength, they returned the Baltic states. how do you really don’t like it
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 30 August 2018 13: 21
          -12
          Where is she. returned?
          1. Andy
            Andy 30 August 2018 13: 24
            +9
            and what in your history, mr. historian, crossed out 1939-1940 ??
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 30 August 2018 15: 31
              -8
              I don’t remember them, but in 1991 and later I lived!
              1. Andy
                Andy 30 August 2018 15: 45
                +8
                in 91 Lenin chtoli pro country. or ebn? then your current guarantor, forgetting the oath, rushed to an honest dog ... it's funny to read his interview about those times, "I decided not to rush." right, betrayed immediately!
                http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/abroad/reshil-ne-metatsya-tuda-syuda-putin-ob-avgustovskom-putche-i-uhode-iz-kgb?id=83403291
              2. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 13
                +4
                Quote: kalibr
                , but in 1991

                More precisely about yourself and your actions, more precisely and more honestly, you betrayed the country, which you constantly boast about, mentioning that while working in party halls they were unbalancing in nothing, just changed the sign and now you are balancing about the opposite .. you have no conscience years, become a notorious liar ...
            2. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 15: 55
              -12
              Andrei, you want to say that the Baltic territories became part of Russia in 1940?
              That and that, officially these were independent republics, and the Russians were brought there as cheap labor, nothing more.
              1. Andy
                Andy 30 August 2018 16: 09
                +10
                are you sane? they entered the USSR as republics. go crazy! "cheap labor". contact us! engineers and doctors. Why then did you envy the standard of living of "cheap labor"?
                I want to ask about the position of the Baltic states in Ingushetia that serfdom was abolished there, but not yet in Russia. Does it mean not exactly Russia? I hope for a detailed answer from such a "historian" as you
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        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 30 August 2018 13: 28
          +17
          Quote: Andy
          but nothing that you, monarchists, and the Germans loved these territories.

          And also Russian America, Alaska, Sakhalin. But Poland was attached to itself, which became a hotbed of separatism - a very valuable acquisition of the Russian people, just how can one live without it? As if in tsarist times they didn’t give up theirs? The Prut Peace Treaty alone is worth what. Peter was a Bolshevik, apparently, surrendered all the acquisitions in the south.
          We do not see the rubbish in the eyes of the tsars, but in the Soviet eyes we look for logs - "our everything" of the dense Moldavian monarchism. )))
          From the very beginning, the USSR fought for the restoration of its former borders, as far as possible. Short list on a vskidka - Western Belarus and Western Ukraine (1939), part of Finland (1940), Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia (1940), Bessarabia (1940), the Republic of Tuva within the old borders, plus a part of Mongolia, previously not included in the Republic of Ingushetia (1944), Kaliningrad Oblast, South Sakhalin, Kuril Islands, part of Finland (Pechenga) (1945). In addition to the 1945 year, the zone of influence of the USSR spread to all of Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which was never, at any time in the history of Russia.
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 15: 56
            -11
            Russia and Russians, moreover, to the success of the Bolsheviks?
            The USSR was not a country where the Russians had any rights and advantages. And RI was.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 16: 38
              +11
              The USSR was not a country where the Russians had any rights and advantages.

              1. In the USSR, the Russians did not have rights? That was not straight?
              2. Why should Russians have advantages? By the way, at this very minute in the Russian Federation, Russians also have no advantages according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
              And RI was

              Well, for example, tell us, what were the advantages of seasonal Russian workers, compared with their employers, well, for example, Koenig, Rotermundt and other "not so Russian"?
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 03
                -11
                If the Russians had rights in the USSR, we would see this on a geographical map and the borders of the modern Russian Federation would not be so wretched and scanty. But Russians in terms of "fighting great-power chauvinism" did not have any rights in the country at all. be surprised that the Russians did not marry the USSR?
                Yes, completely, in the same Central Asia and Transcaucasia, Russians were stupidly paid more for the same work than the natives.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 17: 19
                  +10
                  If the Russians had rights in the USSR, we would see this on a geographical map and the borders of the modern Russian Federation would not be so miserable and kutsy. But Russians in terms of "fighting great-power chauvinism" did not have any rights at all in the country.

                  It puts me in a stupor. I can not comment
                  Well, why be surprised that the Russians did not marry the USSR?

                  And here another discrepancy comes out. According to this logic, the "non-Russians" had to preserve the USSR with both hands - they all had rights, and advantages, and so on. etc. But no, just like the Russians behaved.
                  Yes, completely, in the same Central Asia and Transcaucasia, Russians were stupidly paid more for the same work than the natives

                  Well, I still want to hear
                  what are the advantages of seasonal Russian workers, in comparison, with their employers, for example, Koenig, Rotermundt and others "not so Russian"

                  Well, since they’ve already written, I would like to see some confirmation to make sure that with the same qualifications and at the same job, new Russian workers were paid more. May I get from you?
                  Well, the question is after - why did you decide not to comment on the words that now in Russia the Russians have no advantages? Let’s talk about the current satraps? laughing
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 36
                    -5
                    You can cheat on the current ones, only they haven’t come up with anything new in this respect, they repeat the assumptions of Soviet internationalism.
                    The ending will also be sad.
                    Although Putin has strong moves, they follow common sense, and not some kind of ideology.
            2. Snakebyte
              Snakebyte 4 September 2018 15: 17
              +1
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              The USSR was not a country where the Russians had any rights and advantages. And RI was.

              Yeah, there was. For example, the Grand Duchy of Finland, whose citizens enjoyed all the rights of the empire, and the Russians on the territory of the principality were curtailed in rights. The Finns had their own currency, religion, their own army, their own laws, did not pay anything to the treasury of the empire. Well settled in "Russia for the Russians".
          2. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 30 August 2018 23: 50
            -2
            Quote: Alex_59
            South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands, part of Finland (Pechenga) (1945). In addition, by 1945, the zone of influence of the USSR had spread throughout Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which had never happened before in any time in Russian history.

            Alexey, well, why cheat? Finland ALL was part of the Republic of Ingushetia. Sakhalin and the Kuriles were also Russian before 1906. North China and all of Korea were also within the sphere of influence of the Russian Empire (if you do not know, then the modern port of Dalyan is the Russian city of Dalny).
            1. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 17
              +6
              Quote: Warrior2015
              Finland ALL was part of the Republic of Ingushetia

              Finland had a special status, its self-government and, in general, as part of the Republic of Ingushetia was on the position of a personal union with the Imperial family, the emperor disappeared and Finland also left.
              Quote: Warrior2015
              Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were also Russian until 1906.

              True, some Count Witte-Polusakhalinsky and all that was lost had to be bloodlessly loved and then returned after May 1945.

              Quote: Warrior2015
              all of Korea was also included in the sphere of influence of the Russian Empire (if you do not know, then the modern port of Dalyan is the Russian city of Dalniy).

              All this Korea and China. And so entered the zone of influence of the USSR, if not for the corn leader with his damned report.
              1. Warrior2015
                Warrior2015 31 August 2018 23: 39
                0
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Finland had a special status, its own self-government and in general as part of the RI was in the position of a personal union

                Nikolay, you allowed yourself to be deceived or deceived, it is not the point, I just corrected you on every point. As it turned out, the amount of land belonging to the Republic of Ingushetia was much greater than that belonging to the USSR, that’s all ...
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 31 August 2018 14: 01
              +2
              The Kuril Islands were transferred to Japan in 1875 in return for the recognition of Russia's rights to Sakhalin.
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 31 August 2018 14: 12
            +3
            Quote: Alex_59
            In addition to the 1945 year, the zone of influence of the USSR spread to all of Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which was never, at any time in the history of Russia.

            Russia was the gendarme of Europe, until 1917, the entire north of China was a zone of influence of Russia, then the Japanese climbed in there, and now our far east is in the zone of influence of China
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 31 August 2018 05: 53
          -4
          Quote: Andy
          but nothing you monarchists, and Germans loved these territories.

          TO SCHOOL, to school immediately!
          Quote: Andy
          then they brought the interventionists to Russian land

          The Brest "peace", which brought the occupants to the Russian lands and gave them a THIRD of the country forever to the invaders, was not signed by the monarchists — cut a knot on your nose!
          Quote: Andy
          and the Bolsheviks kicked them out-

          Beat the German occupiers ENTENTE in Compiegne in 1918
          Quote: Andy
          alone in the ring of enemies.

          Poor Bolsheviks, all their lives they were surrounded by some enemies — outside and, most importantly, INSIDE the country — tens of millions. No country in the world has ever had this.
          Quote: Andy
          have returned and the Baltic states

          The Baltic states lol laughing Bravo! goodWell done! RUSSIAN and Russia WHAT from this fall, except wild spending to maintain these "shop windows"?
          PS None of the minuscars could refute the fact that the Bolsheviks established the today's narrowed borders of Russia of the 17th century.
          C.T.D.
          1. Sweetheart
            Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 22
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            TO SCHOOL, to school immediately!

            That's right. You olgovich go to school and immediately. I’ll probably find it difficult only in which school to send you to.
            Quote: Olgovich
            The Brest "peace", which brought the occupants to the Russian lands and gave them a THIRD of the country forever to the invaders, was not signed by the monarchists — cut a knot on your nose!

            A dense, vicious lie.
            Who deposed your tsar? I recall in FEBRUARY. Who suggested leaving the war? Just don’t howl yours again.
            so shut up already, without sticking out so noisily your thoroughly Russophobic and frankly pro-Western entity. Mr. pseudo-patriot ...
            Quote: Olgovich
            I could not refute the fact that today's tightened borders of Russia of the 17th century model were established by the Bolsheviks

            None of the talkers, starting with olgovich, could explain and justify their idols, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, who had destroyed the country against the law and the will of the people.
            so the fact is yours.
            Bialowieza and Viskuli, where three drunkards drank the country, it’s on the conscience of your kind.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 31 August 2018 12: 20
              -3
              Quote: The Swordsman
              A dense, vicious lie.

              The TRUTH from which you are contaminated. READ the text of Brest is a DOCUMENT, not a couple of your chatter.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Who proposed to get out of the war? Just don’t howl yours again.

              lol fool Show them the Brest project. lol
              Quote: The Swordsman
              and one of the talkers

              You CANNOT refute the fact that It is the Bolsheviks who established today's shrunken borders of Russia of the 17th century sample also in 1917 – 1937 years Chop the knot on the nose.
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 30 August 2018 13: 03
        +12
        Rurikovich did not collect and tore Russia to pieces, everyone wanted to privatize their inheritance for food. Rurikovich put a huge number of people in endless showdowns among themselves, constantly pointing their enemies to Russia - Polovtsy, Poles and Hungarians, their mercenaries and allies. The same Rurikovich even in the face of the Mongol invasion could not come to an agreement and ate among themselves worse than dogs, plunging the country into endless turmoil and fratricidal war, spilling rivers of blood. Which actually predetermined the defeat and the subsequent difficult period under the fifth of the Horde.
        These are Rurikovich
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 31 August 2018 05: 58
          -5
          Quote: Beringovsky
          Rurikovich did not collect and tore Russia to pieces

          Ivan the Terrible is Rurikovich-what and where did he break Russia? fool
          1. Sweetheart
            Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 25
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Ivan the Terrible is Rurikovich

            And what do you care about Ivan the Terrible? Weren't your Romanovs, in essence, disavowing in the history of Ivan the Terrible, appearing to be either a madman or a child-killer?
            or you’ve got a principle, if they’ve been pinned to the wall. then will any lie for salvation come in handy?
            Rurikovich-the dynasty ended, in their history, there were many, including fratricidal wars, go to school .. you will be explained there. Real estate, inheritances and other matters of that time.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 1 September 2018 17: 01
          0
          ... for the gifted: Mongolia * was organized by * rear-wheel drive Ulyanov = Blank in 1920 ... This is the year of her * birth * .. There wasn’t Mongolia under the Rurikovichs — it didn’t exist from the word - in general, like the Mongols ...
      3. 2329 Carpenter
        2329 Carpenter 1 September 2018 22: 33
        0
        But Svyatoslav Russia did not collect?
      4. aakvit
        aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 00
        +1
        Andrey, I agree with this comment. But! We grew up and received education in the USSR, our grandfathers (already grandfather, father was a 10-year-old child, passed Dachau) defended OUR LAND in WWII or, if it is closer to you, WWII. And we have no right to blame for the country! And now - having lost their head on the heel (?) They don’t cry! For me personally, the whole history of the country is important, and I consider it useless to fire someone. And, as one of the elders of the forum writes, - I HAVE HONOR.
      5. Looking for
        Looking for 7 October 2018 19: 09
        -1
        Z ... ball you Rurikovich and novels.
    2. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 30 August 2018 12: 43
      -3
      Quote: Vasily50
      IN THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, neither the king nor the * elite * RUSSIANS were not. They purposefully * were calibrated * with the import nobility.
      I will answer with a simple fact - "Russian Germans" for the most part were much more Russian in spirit and imperials than most of the same Russians who bought into the populist slogans of the Bolsheviks.

      Quote: Vasily50
      Moreover, the first empress was the daughter of a rabbi. This is for those concerned * the dominance of the Jews *.
      If you are so about Catherine I, then this is nonsense - she was the daughter of a Narva pastor.
      1. aakvit
        aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 01
        +1
        I fully support!
  5. polpot
    polpot 30 August 2018 08: 29
    -12
    If Ilyich had lived longer, it would be scary to think of something to be fanciful, whoever shot the country would do any good.
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 30 August 2018 10: 12
      -13
      I do not agree. Lenin had a very lively and dodgy mind. When he needed money for the revolution, he easily agreed to lead the Jewish project of the world revolution and become a nominal first person. When he needed to stay in power, he almost without a doubt gave out a third of the European part of Russia. When armed resistance to Bolshevism began, he instigated terror and was ready to flood Russia with blood. We can say that Lenin is an adaptation of the highest category.
      But by 1920. he understood that communism is a utopia, that with the help of terror one can seize and hold power, but nothing can be developed. And then he introduced the NEP policy, which was essentially an analogue of the current Chinese capitalism led by the Communist Party.
      1. unknown
        unknown 30 August 2018 10: 52
        -5
        What Lenin is in question.
        Eight similar, but DIFFERENT people appear in the photo and film materials allegedly with Lenin.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 30 August 2018 17: 24
        +7
        Quote: Nick_R
        I do not agree. Lenin had a very lively and dodgy mind. When he needed money for the revolution, he easily agreed to lead the Jewish project of the world revolution and become a nominal first person. When he needed to stay in power, he almost without a doubt gave out a third of the European part of Russia. When armed resistance to Bolshevism began, he instigated terror and was ready to flood Russia with blood. We can say that Lenin is an adaptation of the highest category.
        But by 1920. he understood that communism is a utopia, that with the help of terror one can seize and hold power, but nothing can be developed. And then he introduced the NEP policy, which was essentially an analogue of the current Chinese capitalism led by the Communist Party.

        Admit where the text was copied from? For it is clear that those who have no brains will not be able to compose, and those who have brains will not want to laughing
        1. aakvit
          aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 04
          0
          I do not agree with you! NEP and Chervonets still saved SOVIET Russia.
      3. ver_
        ver_ 1 September 2018 05: 29
        -1
        ... it turns out he was also a passive om, the yoke was used by Zinoviev and Kamenev ..
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 1 September 2018 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: ver_
          . It turns out he was also a passive om, the yoke was used by Zinoviev and Kamenev ..

          Enough to dissolve the nasty things. Usually, anyone talking about something hurts ...
          1. ver_
            ver_ 1 September 2018 16: 21
            -3
            ..get the search engine about his orientation ..
            1. aakvit
              aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 05
              +2
              Search engine in the world trash?
          2. ver_
            ver_ 2 September 2018 09: 36
            -3
            ... I understand Krupskaya - she was very offended by these * pranks * and didn’t let Zinoviev go to Gorki, after injuring Ulyanov = Blanca .., and what is it that hurts you so much? The Pope complained that he could not get rid of pedophilia among priests .. Some rear-wheel drive .. Jews have pedophilia very often ... as well as drug addiction and drunkenness ..
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 2 September 2018 15: 43
              +2
              Quote: ver_
              and what it hurts you so much?

              Yes, I am just sick of your comments, as if I had visited a garbage dump.
          3. ver_
            ver_ 3 September 2018 02: 29
            -1
            ... interesting - how many admirers of these wicked and perverts are on the site, however, you are one of them ...
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 3 September 2018 20: 25
              0
              Fans, in my opinion you are the only one from here.
              1. ver_
                ver_ 6 September 2018 07: 12
                -2
                ... for the gifted - faith cannot be a perversion - it is only faith - an intangible entity ..
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 6 September 2018 23: 04
                  +1
                  I called you "fans".
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 01: 05
          -1
          Quote: ver_
          it turns out he was also a passive om, the yoke was used by Zinoviev and Kamenev ..

          I read about this Mui Ne in 93 in "Top Secret", only there Trotsky appeared.
          1. ver_
            ver_ 6 September 2018 07: 49
            -2
            ... Trotsky used the same * channel * ..
      4. Ekaterina Shtepa
        Ekaterina Shtepa 24 October 2018 12: 56
        0
        I also think that Lenin was flexible in mind and would have found a way out of that situation - before the Bolsheviks had some clues "from the past"!
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 31 August 2018 14: 15
      -1
      Quote: polpot
      If Ilyich had lived longer, it would be scary to think of something to be fanciful, whoever shot the country would do any good.

      I remember a line from Trofim's song - "It's a pity Fanny Kaplan missed."
  6. kalibr
    kalibr 30 August 2018 10: 54
    0
    Trotsky was to become the head of Russia and complete the destruction of Russian civilization and the Russian people. "Where did the firewood come from" ... out of delirium, obviously.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 27
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      "Where did the firewood come from" ... out of delirium, obviously.

      Shpakovsky, if you are raving, this is purely your business, but you can’t trample on facts and history, the Trotsky enemy of Russia. For that I got an ice ax in my head. From scuffles with Nazi Germany, the rebellion of the Trotskyists in Republican Spain, to the affairs of a conspiracy inside the USSR.
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 30 August 2018 11: 15
    +2
    Nothing new. Trotsky and Sverdlov, in Ukraine it turned out more successfully: Poroshenko and egg. In both cases, performers of external financial bosses. There is a curious note in the works of Lenin: whether we should take money from Parvus. I don’t think that Lenin knew that Parvus was brought to him by Colonel Nikolai, the Austrian baron, head of German intelligence, and Parvus’s money was the money of the German Ministry of Finance.
    In the old textbook of the history of the CPSU for 1963 there is mention of the beitzantung bureau, if I correctly called it. It consisted of 30 German intelligence officers from oberst to corporal at the headquarters of the Bolsheviks. That's what I wanted to read about it like that. At school, the historian, reflecting on my question about the bureau, slowly said that it was the German Social Democrats who had come to help the Bolsheviks to overthrow the tsar. Oh how! Also at the institute, they were very reluctant to answer my question.
    1. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 30 August 2018 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Balu
      In the old history textbook of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for 1963 there is a reference to the bantzantung bureau, if I correctly named it. It consisted of 30 officers of German intelligence from Oberst to Corporal at the headquarters of the Bolsheviks. This is what I wanted to read about it so much. At school, the historian, thinking about my bureau question, slowly said that it was the German Social Democrats who had come to help the Bolsheviks to overthrow the tsar. Oh how!

      In fact, it turned out to be trivial - the color revolution, the version of 1.0 ...
    2. Nick_R
      Nick_R 30 August 2018 13: 53
      +1
      Whether Lenin knew or did not know that arranging a revolution with the money of German intelligence is not so important. Lenin would have taken money for a revolution, even if he was a bald devil, he did not care for sentiment.
      1. Warrior2015
        Warrior2015 31 August 2018 00: 03
        -2
        Quote: Nick_R
        Whether Lenin knew or did not know that arranging a revolution with the money of German intelligence is not so important. Lenin would have taken money for a revolution, even if he was a bald devil, he did not care for sentiment.

        If so, and if money for the destruction of our state can be taken from any of its enemies, then why do the communists blame the White Guards for their slogan "even with the devil, but against the Bolsheviks"?
        1. the lord
          the lord 31 August 2018 01: 24
          +4
          Because they did not take money from German intelligence. And Lenin did not contact Parvus. Read about Fitz Platten, a German communist internationalist. Maybe then you stop writing nonsense.
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 31 August 2018 23: 41
            -2
            Quote: znavel
            Because they did not take money from German intelligence. And Lenin did not contact Parvus.

            Yeah. Now you have your apparently idol - a bald, syphilitic, sick psychopath, who called for mass genocide on religious and class principles, and ordered to do it - "The magician is not guilty" ...
            1. the lord
              the lord 4 September 2018 02: 54
              -1
              Brevity is the sister of talent, and this is not about you, and besides, it was printed hysterically. Unreadable comment. What "Magician"? What is "syphilitic"?
    3. aakvit
      aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 08
      0
      That's why the current position to cling to the old ?! Sorry, not from a big mind! Just my opinion ...
    4. Ekaterina Shtepa
      Ekaterina Shtepa 24 October 2018 12: 57
      0
      God, I liked your word UEBNIK !!! Great! You are five with ten pluses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. Dead duck
    Dead duck 30 August 2018 13: 31
    +12
    All who undertake to judge Lenin today are united by an absolute misunderstanding of the meaning of his teachings, the reasons for his popularity among the people and the motives behind the creation of the USSR. Simply put, nobody of them really read and is not going to read Lenin (although right now, given the situation in the global economy, this is the time). Especially for them - at the everyday, primitive level - I will present the logic of the Bolsheviks on 1916.

    1. The development of capitalism inevitably leads to crises. Crises are always resolved through war.

    2. With each subsequent crisis, imperialist wars will become increasingly destructive.

    3. In imperialist wars, the class structure of societies is most brutally exposed: the poor and powerless are killed in the first place, the rich sit in the rear and do not die.

    4. Russia, as a backward capitalist state, has no chance of winning the world war. As a semi-colonial power, Russia is dependent on external creditors, and therefore, with the lives of its soldiers, it constantly saves allies on the Western front. Even if the Entente wins over Germany, Russia will inevitably become the next "patient of Europe" (the Crimean War). The technological lag of Russia from England, the USA, France, Japan is such that it practically leaves the state no chance to survive. The speed with which the Entente accepted the abdication of Nicholas and then rushed to derail the tsarist inheritance fully confirms these assumptions.

    5. In order to prevent another world war (in which one day everyone will die - both Russians and non-Russians), it is necessary to create another, alternative world economic system (USSR).

    6. To protect this world economic system from the inevitable aggression of capitalism, its creators must make a qualitative breakthrough in science, technology, education, and medicine. Every citizen of the new state should feel his involvement in it, have the motivation to protect it. To create such a motivation among the people in the First World Tsarist government was unable.

    7. To build a new world economic system within the boundaries of the RSFSR would be absurd. She wouldn't have survived. An ideology was required that would rally all the nationalities inhabiting the Russian Empire. This ideology could not be Russian nationalism, or Orthodoxy, or imperialism as such. Neither by force nor by persuasion it was already impossible to drive Turkestan, the Caucasus, Siberia, the Far East, Ukraine, etc. under the imperial roof (Denikin, who was attacked by the Georgians of Jordania under Adler, will not let him lie). Only justice could become the uniting "Russian-Uzbek-Latvian" ideology. The state framework is only the Union of Equal Peoples. Union, not Empire.

    8. The new world economic system will inevitably be strangled and strangled in a blockade (there is no peaceful coexistence of two systems) if it does not take offensive actions. Hence the mondialist thesis of permanent revolution. Attention, Orthodox Stalinists: this thesis was never rejected even by Stalin. Stalin only said that first you need to build a state and only then get involved in some kind of revolution. Actually, it was on the basis of these differences that Trotsky earned his ice ax. The rejection of the idea of ​​fighting capitalism on foreign territory (in the Second World War the allies did not open a second front until the abolition of the Comintern), ultimately led to the fact that the USSR had to fight on its territory. "The coexistence of two systems" turned out to be a utopia.

    9. The destruction of the USSR did not cancel any of these problems. Capitalism is entering a crisis unprecedented in history, the way out of which it is habitually seeking through war.


    Igor Tseselsky

    There are controversial points, but the essence is stated.
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 30 August 2018 14: 03
      -17
      In these theses, Lenin’s incomprehension of the meaning of life is clearly evident. Life, as you know, is a movement, the graphic image of which is a sinusoid, or rather a spiral in n dimensions. Capitalist economic cycles are the NORMAL movement of economic life. It was under capitalism with its crises that the economy began to develop by leaps and bounds.
      No ups and downs, i.e. absolute stability is a lack of development and, as a consequence, death. True, an excessive amplitude of oscillations threatens to destroy the system. As usual, you need to look for a middle ground.
      1. the lord
        the lord 31 August 2018 01: 30
        +5
        Just capitalism is a spiral leading to destruction. Their recent moderation was due to the presence of a socialist world with which they had to compete and confront. Therefore, Europe from the SGA received such a development. But now the senselessness and aggression that leads us to a new war are on the face. This is precisely what confirms Lenin's thesis on the development of wars under capitalism.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 4 September 2018 09: 29
        -1
        .. maybe someone would read this novel. Brevity is the soul of wit...
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 30 August 2018 15: 35
      -5
      Deadushka (Vitaliy) Read the novel by A. Bogdanov RED STAR.
    3. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 16: 37
      -5
      Russophobic nonsense under substances.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 31 August 2018 09: 08
      -2
      Quote: Deadush
      There are controversial points, but the essence is stated.

      Bullshit outlined.
      1. Sweetheart
        Sweetheart 31 August 2018 10: 29
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        Bullshit outlined.

        You, wallets and even a couple, yes, obvious and absolute crap nonsense. Why scratch her constantly?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 September 2018 06: 02
          -3
          Quote: The Swordsman
          You, wallets and even a couple, yes, obvious and absolute crap nonsense. scratch request her constantly?

          Another nonsense.
          1. aakvit
            aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 16
            0
            Andrei, once again - I, my army, have something to present to the Soviets, but ... Great-grandfather, the colonel are their victim, but Grandfather, his son, captain Udaltsov, met the Germans on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX on the western border and died with his battery. ..... AND THIS COUNTRY AND ITS LAND - HOLY! Enough to water her and her people, living, living and future, with acid poison! RI is far from the light in the window ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 3 September 2018 09: 40
              0
              Quote: aakvit
              but DED, his son, captain Udaltsov, met the Germans on 22.06.1941 on the western border and died with his battery.

              And mine left as a volunteer on June 22, 41st, survived. So what?
              Quote: aakvit
              AND THIS COUNTRY AND ITS LAND - HOLY!

              Agree to 100%
              Quote: aakvit
              Enough to water her and her people, living, living and future, with acid poison!

              Country and government are different things.

              Therefore, in the 41st (as in 1812 and 1914) EVERYONE stood up for the defense of the country, and in 1991 NOBODY stood up for power.


              If it’s not clear, I’ll explain it again.
    5. ver_
      ver_ 3 September 2018 02: 36
      -1
      Hitler taught the revolution of 17 years .. - Do you need to decipher? ..
  9. BAI
    BAI 30 August 2018 14: 16
    +7
    The threads of the conspiracy are drawn to Yakov Sverdlov and Leo Trotsky (Western agents)

    The author has surpassed himself. And from what does this statement follow? Even at 37 Sverdlov no one thought of calling a foreign agent. Trotsky is a separate matter; all dogs have been visited on him already.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 15: 13
      -1
      Who needed it there in the 37th year? His workers smoothed it with a nut in Tver and that’s it, the end of the film, my friend for all mischief was with Alyosha Peshkov in his early years, hehe ..
      Caught a nut in the skull, there is so much Sverdlov there.
  10. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 August 2018 14: 49
    +6
    Yeah. In the comments, commentators measure with the author the size of cockroaches in their heads.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 2 September 2018 09: 43
      -1
      .. Do you have cockroaches in your head? I feel sorry - go all night * play tag and arias sing * ..
  11. kalibr
    kalibr 30 August 2018 15: 32
    -6
    Quote: Alex_59
    In addition to the 1945 year, the zone of influence of the USSR spread to all of Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which was never, at any time in the history of Russia.

    And where is this influence today?
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 15: 56
      +7
      And where is this influence today?

      Excuse me, Vyacheslav, the influence of whom? The disappeared USSR?
      Or is it said as a counterargument to Alex? If - yes, then such an argument is obtained, weak ...
      Then it is possible for all comrades who advocate for a beautiful past until 1917 to answer in the same way - and where is all that beautiful today?
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 50
        +1
        Around us, wherever you live, at least bits of the territory of that old Russia where the Russian Federation is located, if you do not live in Kaliningrad or the Kuril Islands.
        1. the lord
          the lord 31 August 2018 01: 32
          +1
          Are they still "bits of the territory of that old Russia"? Where are you talking about?
    2. Andy
      Andy 30 August 2018 16: 21
      +6
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Alex_59 In addition to this, by 1945, the zone of influence of the USSR spread to all of Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which has never, at any time in the history of Russia ever existed. And where is this influence today?

      and you don’t think that the question of the current influence should be addressed to Putin. 18 years in power and zilch. although there is no power center, obviously for some merit ... maybe for the influence and prestige of the country?
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 16: 23
        -3
        Simple business is bad. But who will pay for this influence? That's it ...
    3. aakvit
      aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 19
      0
      And where is that hegemon - the USSR? I honestly would like to be there again, year in 1982 ...
  12. DPN
    DPN 30 August 2018 16: 13
    +9
    All this is rubbish, insulting the brains of youth, LENIN created the state is the main thing, but they only wanted to dip Yeltsin in the pond, so he ruined the country for this.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 16: 18
      -6
      And why didn’t anyone jerk the government for 1991 in order to protect it?
      The answer is simple — nobody needed it.
      1. the lord
        the lord 31 August 2018 01: 36
        +3
        Do you remember these times? Even before 1991, our security officials and many people were thrown to restore order in Karabakh, Riga, and Vilnius. They were thrown in Georgia and substituted in Baku. After all this and that comical "putsch" nobody rushed to save the USSR. The people simply did not understand where and who was for the truth. The Deutsch managed to arrange approximately the same before the beginning of the Second World War, the real background of events with misinformation.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 31 August 2018 15: 33
          +1
          Quote: znavel
          They managed to arrange roughly the same before the start of the Second World War the real background of the desoy events.

          What are smart! And ours ... absolutely .... yes?
          1. the lord
            the lord 4 September 2018 02: 46
            0
            Events have shown yes.
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 31 August 2018 09: 04
        +7
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        And why didn’t anyone jerk the government for 1991 in order to protect it?
        The answer is simple — nobody needed it.

        Firstly, those who set out to destroy the Union were disguised by first announcing the signing of a new Union Treaty, and then transforming the USSR into the CIS. At that moment, people did not have a clear understanding that this was the collapse of a single state, the majority believed that the Union would somehow continue to exist, albeit in a slightly modified form.
        Secondly, the fact that few people jerked to defend speaks of the sanity of people. They did not go to kill each other for the interests of politicians. They did not arrange a new civil war in which thousands of bright minds of the Motherland could perish. Only enemies could rejoice that the Russians would begin to kill each other.
        Thirdly, after all, many twitched to defend the country. There was the Emergency Committee, there was a shooting of parliament in the 1993 year. But the forces were too unequal. There were also soldiers who honestly tried to restore order in the national suburbs. The latter, of course, did not know that they would simply be thrown.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 31 August 2018 15: 33
          -3
          Nobody knew anything! Cool!
      3. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 1 September 2018 00: 03
        +3
        And why today no one wants to join SuperRussia?
    2. ver_
      ver_ 2 September 2018 09: 49
      -1
      ... Lenin was a parasite all his life, from chronic syphilis and died .., already the brain was shrunk by 500 ml. ..
    3. ver_
      ver_ 4 September 2018 09: 35
      -1
      ... the syphilitic died in 1924, for your information .. The country was lifted by a Georgian, not a rear-wheel drive Jew ...
  13. ser56
    ser56 30 August 2018 16: 27
    -10
    Quote: Deadush
    In order to prevent another world war (in which one day everyone will die - both Russian and non-Russian), it is necessary to create another, alternative world economic system (USSR).

    2MB result, where 10 times more Russians died than in 1MB ....
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 16: 28
      -3
      In fact, 20 times more, only a soldier.
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 16: 59
      +7
      In order to prevent another world war (in which one day everyone will die - both Russian and non-Russian), it is necessary to create another, alternative world economic system (USSR).

      the result of 2MV, where 10 times more Russians died than in 1MV.

      There is nothing controversial about it.
      To protect this global economic system from imminent aggression of capitalism, its creators must make a qualitative breakthrough in science, technology, education, medicine


      And it makes no sense to compare "head-on" losses in two wars:
      1) continuous improvement of the means of destruction of their own kind and population growth affects your indicator
      2) To show that the comparison of the losses of WWII and WWII is a manipulation, I will compare the losses for you from Japan and China:
      Japan: WWII - 415 soldiers, WWII - 1,8 million. Killed 4 times more
      China: WWII - 10, WWII - 000 million. 3,8 times more dead
      1. Warrior2015
        Warrior2015 30 August 2018 23: 53
        -5
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        And it makes no sense to compare "head-on" losses in two wars:

        Well, how to say - the Bolsheviks, having the largest military equipment army in the world, retreated right up to Moscow and to the Volga (and in the First World War they gave Ukraine and Belarus to the Germans of Brest). The army of the Russian Empire, which had much less military equipment than the Kaiser army, and worse equipped, under the blows of the Germans left only Poland and part of the Baltic states. Do you feel the difference in combat skills?
        1. the lord
          the lord 31 August 2018 01: 39
          +4
          And the fact that the Germans fought on two fronts so little.
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 31 August 2018 23: 42
            0
            Quote: znavel
            And the fact that the Germans fought on two fronts so little.

            The Germans fought on two fronts in both world wars (and during World War II they still had a front in Scandinavia and a front in North Africa). And the degree of influence on the German economy during the confrontation with England in WWII was enormous.
            1. the lord
              the lord 4 September 2018 02: 50
              +1
              Oh, but do not tell me when the Germans appeared a second front? If you tried to make a fuss about the dunkirk, then it was situevina, when the Germans again fought on one front. And England, which they did not conquer, recovered for a very long time after such a shame. This front could not be called a front. So. disturbing events. And the battle of the Ardennes showed this when the Britons and Amers were swept by old people and youth, and disabled people commissary from the eastern front.
        2. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 31 August 2018 15: 36
          +3
          I already wrote below, I have to repeat
          That is, for you, neither the line of demarcation (contact) of the parties at the beginning of hostilities, nor when Germany began to concentrate on the Eastern Front in the WWI, do you matter in your conclusions? Etc. etc.

          Do not you feel the difference in combat skill?

          The difference can be sought in the skill of the German and Soviet WWII headquarters, but not Soviet and Russian. Or again, the picture is incorrect. Yes, the German staff officers had more experience, the training system, coherence and coordination of the Germans were higher for a long time. I don’t argue with that.
          But this does not belittle the Soviet headquarters - someone is always better than others. Do you remember how other armies of Europe showed themselves?
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 31 August 2018 23: 48
            -1
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            The difference can be found in the skill of the German and Soviet WWII headquarters, but not the Soviet and Russian.
            That is what can be compared to the military skills of officers of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR! and simply as a fact - in the First World War we gave up mostly alien lands in the struggle, and in the Second World War the enemy reached the Volga, the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan plan was almost realized by the Germans ...

            And yes, one more thing, if the Republic of Ingushetia didn’t come out of the war with the shame of the Brest-Litovsk peace, but turned out to be among the victorious powers, and if it didn’t have Communists in power, then the Nazi Party would never have achieved power in Germany and Moreover, Hitler would hardly have become a military dictator and would have declared another war on Russia ...

            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            But this does not detract from the Soviet headquarters - someone is always better than others.
            And someone is the worst of all military skills. Such enchanting defeats, especially among the dead and captured in the boilers of 41-42, were not tolerated by any army. I emphasize that we are not talking about the heroism of individual fighters, namely, about the catastrophically low level of military art.
        3. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 1 September 2018 00: 09
          +3
          Kutuzov will blame the surrender of Moscow?
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 1 September 2018 11: 08
            -2
            Quote: Mister Creed
            Kutuzov will blame the surrender of Moscow?

            If you extrapolate the situation, if the communists came to power in Russia at the beginning of the 19 century, then I think Napoleon could even reach the Urals ...
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 1 September 2018 13: 15
              +1
              Quote: Warrior2015
              If you extrapolate the situation, if the communists came to power in Russia at the beginning of the 19 century, then I think Napoleon could even reach the Urals ...

              Caution, even calves die from a silly thought.
        4. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 1 September 2018 00: 11
          0
          And who collaborated with the Germans in the 17-18th and 41st?
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 30 August 2018 17: 38
      +8
      Quote: ser56
      Quote: Deadush
      In order to prevent another world war (in which one day everyone will die - both Russian and non-Russian), it is necessary to create another, alternative world economic system (USSR).

      2MB result, where 10 times more Russians died than in 1MB ....

      Do you want to say that 2MV unleashed the USSR? belay
      Such remarks give reason to doubt your peace of mind laughing
    4. the lord
      the lord 31 August 2018 01: 38
      -3
      Because the Germans then fought not on two fronts and fought with deep study on the part of military science. Excuse me for not being the most brutal killers of the time.
    5. aakvit
      aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 22
      +1
      Data to the studio! About a tenfold loss in WWII. Please do not refer to the data of the world trash and social networks, so as not to become like Mr. Johnson and his ilk!
      1. Sergey Sadchikov
        Sergey Sadchikov 2 September 2018 07: 27
        0
        Yes, they will not answer you, of course, "The fronts in Scandinavia and Northern (wow, frost on the skin) Africa, this is the same thing as the battle on the Marne or Verdun, or the Somme, etc. Of course, Rommel's corps, which drove the British across Libya, absolutely comparable with the number of German troops at Verdun (1,5 million soldiers) and probably the battle at El Alamein is an epochal battle that changed the entire course of the war. Based on this logic, such adherents will tell how the USSR filled up the corpses of the Germans, and The Republic of Ingushetia fought so brilliantly that if it were not for the evil-minded Bolsheviks, “they would have won.” True, one huge army of 5 million pounced on the USSR, which did not fight in the West (like England and France), but only imitated the struggle. I what would happen to our imperial army, if the Kaiser piled on us with all his strength, where would we retreat?
        At the same time, I have great respect for the pre-Soviet period of our history, and the gallant victories of the Russian imperial army in the 1stPV, I do not beg at all, I am against these stupid comparisons that we have chocolate under the tsar, and the Soviets are full of seams, but vice versa .
  14. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 10
    -3
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    To show that the comparison of the losses of the WWII and WWII is a manipulation, I will compare the losses for you from Japan and China:

    There is no Russia, therefore, they fought with the same enemies and the same allies in that theater of operations.
    But the results are twenty times worse.
    In Germany, with the same result, only two and a half times.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 17: 37
      +7
      That is, for you, in your conclusions, neither the line of demarcation (contact) of the parties at the beginning of hostilities, nor when Germany began to concentrate on the Eastern Front, matter? Etc. etc. We just take it and believe that there were the same initial ones? And compare the losses? A great example of an analytical mindset.

      Not to mention that it all started with the assumption that 2MB is a consequence of the emergence of the USSR belay
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 41
        -2
        And this all stems from the level of diplomacy, the competence of management, the quality of human material, attitudes towards people, and so on. This is cause-effect.
        WWII continuation of WWI, as for me, the very existence of a state with a telegraph name did not affect its causes in any way.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 18: 05
          +4
          And this all stems from the level of diplomacy, the competence of management, the quality of human material, attitudes towards people, and so on.

          I suggest you write a comparative article where you will go over the steam rink of causes and effects for each of the points you have written. I would love to read. Fair.
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 18: 21
            +1
            Yes, everything is already written, read at least Shambarov "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland", a good popularizer.
            In 1941, out of five Soviet marshals, four were Ukrainians, the ceiling of which was the foreman of the squadron. What other surprises about the course of the war and its losses?
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 18: 39
              +1
              https://galkovsky.livejournal.com/240317.html
              Read it for yourself, Timur.
              And calmly think about the main points.
              And then, if there is a desire, we will discuss together
            2. the lord
              the lord 31 August 2018 01: 46
              +4
              And let's start from the fact that the Germans before the start of the Second World War and the Germans before the start of the WWII are two big differences. Still, they made their technological leap better than anyone. Using, by the way, socialist methods of recruiting people for infrastructure modernization. Mass character and rigorous scientific calculations. France and the British simply screwed up in that sense, and it took them many, many years to mean anything in the anti-Hitler coalition.
              But we had to solve not only military problems, but also all spheres of people's lives, changing them to qualitatively different levels. Forgive us for not being engaged only in the army.
            3. Sugar Honeyovich
              Sugar Honeyovich 31 August 2018 04: 15
              +3
              The German General Staff called one of these sergeants with a "foreman's ceiling" the author of a new military idea, on the basis of which a blitzkrieg was created ...
    2. aakvit
      aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      To show that the comparison of the losses of the WWII and WWII is a manipulation, I will compare the losses for you from Japan and China:

      There is no Russia, therefore, they fought with the same enemies and the same allies in that theater of operations.
      But the results are twenty times worse.
      In Germany, with the same result, only two and a half times.

      Where does the data come from? Worldwide garbage, social networks or Rezun with Solzhey? FACTS in the studio! With links to the archives ... Do not believe the field reports of the Aryans! 70 thousand were spent in Moscow, but according to reports of the Wehrmacht, only 10000 were captured in Belarus, well, or a little more ... What to believe ?? !!!
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 30 August 2018 17: 33
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: Alex_59
    In addition to the 1945 year, the zone of influence of the USSR spread to all of Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, which was never, at any time in the history of Russia.

    And where is this influence today?

    A normal question for a "historian"! good
  16. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 17: 33
    0
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    It puts me in a stupor. I can not comment

    What are you? And why, then, Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, and Kharkov, Vitebsk, Mogilev, Uralsk, Dvinsk, Narva, Semipalatinsk and other Russian cities ended up in other countries?
    Russians living there on their land were asked if they want this?
    That's just it, what kind of rights you can talk about.
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    According to this logic, the "non-Russians" had to preserve the USSR with both hands - they all had rights, and advantages, and so on. etc.

    Yes, the Asians were not very eager, anticipating the consequences, and the rest thought to ride the West, snuggle up to Europe and America, find a shorter dad.
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    that with the same qualifications and at the same job, new Russian workers were paid more.

    In the colonized regions it was. Yes, in general, there Russians were arming against the locals, and the best lands were taken away from the locals, and so on. And a lot more.
    There is good work on the colonization of the same Asia and Kazakhstan. Normal imperial politics.
    Sources Mikhail Afrikanovich Terentyev "The stories of the conquest of Central Asia with plans and maps" in three volumes.
    I highly recommend, but also the events of the tsarist officials in connection with the depopulation of the Great Steppe and Highlands in 1916
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 30 August 2018 17: 56
      +6
      What are you? And why, then, Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, and Kharkov, Vitebsk, Mogilev, Uralsk, Dvinsk, Narva, Semipalatinsk and other Russian cities ended up in other countries?

      In other countries, they found themselves after the collapse of such a country as the USSR. In the USSR they were in one country. Can you give examples from the history of state formations, parts of which ceased to belong to these formations as a result of any historical processes? This is absolutely natural.
      If RI collapsed, they would also end up in other countries, what is upsetting you and what is not clear to you?
      Russians living there on their land were asked if they want this?

      Imagine being asked. Do you know about the All-Union referendum? And, I think, they should understand that in the union republics the Russians were and voted. And the Russian Union republics, as well as the non-Russian Union republics who wanted to divide, and who (the majority) did not want.
      Sources Mikhail Afrikanovich Terentyev "The stories of the conquest of Central Asia with plans and maps" in three volumes

      It is very inconvenient for the further course of the conversation not to give specifics; I will have (and I will) read these volumes. This time is necessary, you understand. But that’s okay, only one thing I want to know
      and when I read and it turns out that in the source you indicated there will be no information that with the same qualifications and in the same job, new Russian workers were paid more. What then? )))
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 18: 18
        -2
        It is not true, they ended up in other bantustans, just under the USSR. You can get acquainted with the territorial division and its history. These are the consequences of the Bolshevik policy aimed at "Combating the great-power Russian chauvinism". This is the Russophobic policy of the communists.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        If RI collapsed, they would also end up in other countries, what is upsetting you and what is not clear to you?

        If the Kazakhs could conquer Uralsk, then yes, but in our case, the Communists transferred these lands to a new entity.
        This is the policy of the Center.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Imagine being asked. Do you know about the All-Union referendum?

        Uralsk transferred to Kazakhstan according to the All-Union referendum? Well, ugly.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        But that’s okay, only one thing I want to know

        It generally indicates a number of documents and legislative acts that emphasize the inequality of Russian immigrants and natives.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 18: 51
          -1
          http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XX/1900-1920/Kuropatkin_A_N/text2.htm
          Requested:
          Hence especially.
          Broadens the mind
        2. the lord
          the lord 31 August 2018 01: 53
          +2
          Uralsk was transferred as part of the economic and administrative division, given, as far as I know, the nomadization of Kazakhs for saigas. Apparently, they visited these territories in the summer. But who told you that the borders of states leaving the USSR should remain within these borders? You have not read the law on referenda on the occasion of secession from the USSR. There, just certain regions of the republics with special national composition were considered separately and had the right to their decision. And the exit procedure could stretch for many years. You would rather read the legislative acts, and not any monarchy-anti-reason.
        3. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 31 August 2018 16: 28
          +2
          It is not true that they ended up in other Bantustans, just under the USSR.

          It's hard for me to comment on this again. And I don't want to explain the federal structure of the USSR (except for secession, which is no different from the federal structure of the Russian Federation). Territorial division always pursues the principle of "ease of administration" depending on natural, economic and national factors.
          If you think
          ... ended up in other countries ... under the USSR
          And not
          after the collapse of a country like the USSR.

          then it turns out that since "in the federal USSR" 15 republics-subjects of the USSR were other countries, not the USSR, then in the federal Russian Federation, for example, Komi is a separate republic, not a subject of the Russian Federation. Is the illogicality of the thought in the quote clear? Although the republics of the USSR really had more "autonomy" (apart from secession, which, incidentally, no one took advantage of), this cannot be taken away.
          If the Kazakhs could conquer Uralsk, then yes, but in our case, the communists

          This is not our case. It was written about
          If RI fell apart they too
          . It was not about the collapse and division of the USSR, but about the possible collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia (not transformation into another country (USSR), but the collapse (as happened with the USSR)).

          PS By the way, I am a little amused by the fact that you, like many of your barricade mates, often mention in different variations
          These are the consequences of the Bolshevik policy aimed at "Combating Great-Power Russian Chauvinism"
          in the context of the fact that, they say, the Bolsheviks invented such a concept to oppress the Russians, but in fact there was no "other" attitude towards other nationalities.
          And then you yourself issue:
          Yes, completely, in the same Central Asia and Transcaucasia, Russians were stupidly paid more for the same work than the natives.

          and the land was taken from the locals by the best, and so on.

          It generally indicates a number of documents and legislative acts that emphasize the inequality of Russian immigrants and natives.

          from your own link it can be very well traced http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XX/1900-1920/Kuropatkin_A_N/text2.htm

          This is how then to understand? winked laughing
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 August 2018 10: 03
        -3
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        In other countries, they found themselves after the collapse of such a country as the USSR. In the USSR they were in one country.

        they ended up in different countries because the USSR was made up of different countries-republic, artificially invented and created by the Bolsheviks:
        "Union Republic - sovereign Soviet socialist state, which merged with other Soviet republics into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics " USSR Constitution

        And precisely on the "conditional", supposedly, boundaries. established in USSR and the countries live now .., But even before the collapse, RUSSIAN Odessa was purposefully destroyed and turned into "Ukrainian", like dozens of other Russian cities
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        If RI collapsed, they would also be in other countries,

        What nonsense is this? In what country would Russian Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Tiraspol, Kharkov, Uralsk end up, if not in Russia (any other than Bolshevik)?
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Imagine being asked.

        Russian Odessa, Nikolaev, etc. in 1918 and NEVER after were asked if they wanted to live in the anti-Russian so-called "Ukraine" (including the so-called "ussr"), they were FORCEDLY shoved there
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        And the Russian Union republics, as well as the non-Russian Union republics who wanted to divide, and who (the majority) did not want.

        The Russians voted for the preservation of the Union not because they approved the continuation of the existence of the so-called. "republics-sisters", but because they hoped for the existence of a single state, where these "sisters" would simply disappear.
        1. aakvit
          aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 44
          +1
          And here I am with you. If there was no division into republics, but the provinces had been preserved, as in the Republic of Ingushetia, maybe there would have been no Bialowieza?
  17. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 August 2018 18: 17
    +4
    For all the Jews there is a judge.
    For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
    For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
    For the fact that she missed.
    (Igor Guberman)
  18. RUSS
    RUSS 30 August 2018 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    Yes, Mehlis would be better to drink

    Rear Admiral Tributs "sank" a third of the Baltic Fleet in August 41 and like water off a duck's back.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 30 August 2018 18: 54
      -2
      Yes, and the above Ukrainians for the Holocaust of 41 years, and Zhukov, otherwise Pavlov somehow unjustly got to the wall, and Zhukov didn’t. boom, the gun did not know which end to charge ...
      1. albert
        albert 30 August 2018 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Koshnitsa
        Yes, and the above Ukrainians for the Holocaust of 41 years, and Zhukov, otherwise Pavlov somehow unfairly got to the wall, and Zhukov did not. Kulik was shmalnuli,

        The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 31 August 2018 10: 43
          +2
          Quote: albert
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Yes, and the above Ukrainians for the Holocaust of 41 years, and Zhukov, otherwise Pavlov somehow unfairly got to the wall, and Zhukov did not. Kulik was shmalnuli,

          The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.

          Among modern communists and other associations of non-Bolsheviks, the saying “anti-Soviet is always Russophobe” is popular, which today is repeated by them in almost every interview or publication. They are ardently proud of him, they say that, they say, this can not be subjected to any doubt. Often it is repeated as a learned mantra, much like today's Ukrainians repeat “Glory to Ukraine”.

          But a stranger, somewhere disgusting and ridiculous saying is hard to imagine. This introduced propaganda stamp is more reminiscent of an alternative story, a children's or religious faith, or just an epic ravings of poor people with brainwashed in the Soviet past, presented as a sacred postulate for citizens of the current Russian Federation.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 31 August 2018 10: 45
            +2
            The anti-Soviet is a citizen who knows the history and all the atrocities of the Communists against the Russian people and he does not want them to be repeated again. The anti-Soviet is simply a true patriot of his homeland, who wants to restore the former power of the state with pro-Russian national politics. And under the communists there cannot be a state where the Russian people could unleash their potential, their souls, and restore the territorial integrity of their lands, which the Bolsheviks so easily distributed to their "allies." And therefore, the main goal of the anti-Soviet is to return the national ideal of Russia, destroyed by the Bolsheviks.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 31 August 2018 15: 46
              0
              Moreover, PHOBIA is fear, fear. Phobos - fear, Deimos - horror - companions of Mars. So that Russophobia is a fear of the Russians, but how can a Russian citizen be afraid of them? He knows them as flaky ...
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  20. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 01
    0
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    it makes no sense to compare losses in two wars head on:

    maybe for you .... I just answered the thesis ... request
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    continuous improvement of the means of destroying your own kind and population growth affects your rate

    Seriously? compare the loss of the UK in 1 and 2 MB .... bully

    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    To show that the comparison of the losses of the WWII and WWII is a manipulation, I will compare the losses for you from Japan and China:

    the manipulation is that neither Japan nor China fought in WW1 - the capture of Qingdao is not a war ... laughing

    And finally - I care about Russia ... soldier
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 31 August 2018 16: 49
      +1
      Seriously? compare the loss of the UK in 1 and 2 MB .... bully

      Absolutely seriously. Do you disagree?
      And about the example ... Again, manipulation or misunderstanding. Question - why did they take one country? We have wars not of Great Britain, we have wars world. So compare the total loss of participants. For clarity, you can summarize only those countries that participated in the first and second. Well, and what are the numbers? Is there an increase? That's it. Vitaly's thesis is confirmed. request
      manipulation is

      Of course this is a manipulation. I wrote clearly before this
      To show that the comparison of the losses of WWII and WWII is a manipulation, I will compare for you

      I just acted in a mirror, since you were before this, and you immediately began to shout about manipulation. So that such comparisons cannot be made, they are illogical.
      neither Japan nor China fought in WW1 - the capture of Qingdao is not a war ...

      What is this? Picnic? Yes, the scale is not the same as at the European Theater. But from this the war does not cease to be a war. Open any source about the WWI chronology - both China and Japan will be among the participants.

      and who is to blame for the fact that the IVS allowed Germany to crush France in 1940?

      But this is a masterpiece. I even have a separate notebook for such statements.
    2. aakvit
      aakvit 2 September 2018 00: 48
      0
      Seriously? compare the loss of the UK in 1 and 2 MB ....

      And did the Angles fight on their territory? The colonies do not concern ...
  21. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 03
    0
    Quote: znavel
    And the fact that the Germans fought on two fronts so little.

    and who is to blame for the fact that the IVS allowed Germany to crush France in 1940? Let me remind you that IN2 did not allow this in 1914. T, not quite concentrated troops were sent to attack in East Prussia ... request
  22. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 06
    +1
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    - four are Ukrainians, whose ceiling is to be the foreman of the squadron

    especially touches the general and military education of the chief of the General Staff of the Red Army of the GKZH .... repeat eato then, in a memoir, he modestly indicated that he did not know the capabilities of the Soviet military industry when he formed 29 MK. And this is the truth - I didn’t know ... request
  23. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 08
    +1
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    but there is no Zhukov.

    corny - there was no other generals in the IVS .... request then the war grew, but the sea spilled blood ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 31 August 2018 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: ser56
      corny - there was no other generals in the IVS ....

      All the generals perished in the 37th.

      PS IVS is a temporary detention center.
  24. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 09
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    The anti-Soviet is a citizen who knows the history and all the atrocities of the Communists against the Russian people and he does not want them to be repeated again

    now it’s easy to be an anti-adviser ... laughing you need to study history and draw the right conclusions, stop manipulations ...
  25. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 13
    +2
    Quote: znavel
    Uralsk was transferred as part of the administrative division,

    Crimea, too ... and if you look at the whole picture, the Bolsheviks created at the expense of Russia national states for peoples who never had this statehood request And the reason is known - read the VIL "On national pride ..." - they fought against "great-power chauvinism" until the rooster pecked in 1941 ... then they started voicing about patriotism, remembered Nevsky, Suvorov, etc. laughing
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 31 August 2018 16: 38
      +1
      You are right, when the draft of the Union State was discussed, V. I. Lenin "found" the Great Russian chauvenists: .... Georgian Stalin and Pole Dzerzhinsky, and if they are Russians, then our Samsonov is Japanese, and Volochkov is a sumoist
  26. ser56
    ser56 31 August 2018 11: 15
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    PS IVS is a temporary detention center.

    each has its own analogies ... bully
  27. vladcub
    vladcub 31 August 2018 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    When Kaplan was asked why she had committed this crime, Kaplan did not open her back and replied that Lenin’s continued existence undermined people's faith in socialism. During interrogations, she admitted her connection with the party of socialist revolutionaries, but stated that this attempt was not a party assignment and she committed it “on her own behalf”.

    However, the KGB did not believe in this version. In fairness, it is worth noting that they had good reason - and on the same day in Petrograd, the Socialist Revolutionaries killed the chairman of the Petrograd Cheka, Moses Uritsky. All this allowed the Bolsheviks to declare “red terror” in the country a week later.
    On September 5, 1918, the SNK issued a decree stating that the introduction of terror was a direct necessity, and that it was necessary to rid the Soviet Republic of class enemies. All persons involved in the White Guard organizations, conspiracies and rebellions were shot.

    One of the first victims of this terror was Fanny Kaplan herself, who was shot without trial on the oral order of the chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, Yakov Sverdlov, three days after the assassination attempt. Her body, according to one version, was doused with kerosene and burned in an iron barrel in the Alexander Garden.

    The very quickly conducted investigation and the subsequent non-public reprisal against Kaplan more resembled the “covering of traces" than the desire to get to the bottom of the truth. What gave rise to the birth of various conspiracy theories.

    According to one of them, the attempt on Lenin was the result of a political struggle within the Bolshevik elite and it was organized by Yakov Sverdlov, who soon died himself under very mysterious circumstances.

    There is a lot of fog here. In my opinion, the main intrigue in the collision of interests of the Rothshelds and the Rockefellers, and they have a long-standing mutual "sympathy", they look at each other with such eyes that the poison of gyurza is a childish prank. I think this is the whole point
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      1. ver_
        ver_ 1 September 2018 16: 34
        0
        ... so it’s not good to rob a Jew, it is a Jew who must rob, well, like Sverdlov, Trotsky ...
      2. ver_
        ver_ 2 September 2018 15: 47
        -2
        ... mdya - sorry chi sho did not soak ...
  28. kakvastam
    kakvastam 1 September 2018 11: 48
    0
    The Christmas trees are green, but I just could not understand why Mr. Putin chose this day for his cuming out!
    And all, it turns out, is just ...
  29. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 1 September 2018 22: 28
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Quote: Olgovich
    The Bolshevik Yurovsky, who had just burned children and women in Yekaterinburg, simply repeated the experience of Yekaterinburg in the Kremlin.

    Are you sure about that?

    Whom did Yurovsky burn there?
    He had a knapsack flamethrower instead of a Colt? Well, the zaggug!
    "But the peasants don't know ..."
  30. aakvit
    aakvit 1 September 2018 23: 42
    +1
    Again Mr. Samsonov! Enough to read before the first selection in bold ... How much can you!
  31. ser56
    ser56 3 September 2018 11: 03
    -1
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Again manipulation or misunderstanding. Question - why did they take one country?

    corny - England actively fought in 2 world wars, France was defeated in 2MB, so its example doesn’t roll ... the British were promised smaller losses in 2MB and the government realized this promise ... repeat But in Russia / the USSR there was a different picture - in 1MB, our losses were comparable with the allies, and in 2MB - catastrophically large - there is one reason - the mediocrity of the leadership of the USSR request
  32. ser56
    ser56 3 September 2018 11: 07
    -1
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    But this is a masterpiece. I even have a separate notebook for such statements

    in other words, there is nothing to answer? bully And it’s right - to allow the liquidation of the 2nd front against the obvious enemy - Hitler, this is not even stupidity, it is a banal incompetence of an illiterate Bolshevik gang of terrorists in power .... hi
  33. ser56
    ser56 3 September 2018 11: 08
    -1
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    What is this? Picnic? Yes, the scale is not the same as at the European Theater. But from this the war does not cease to be a war. Open any source about the WWI chronology - both China and Japan will be among the participants.
    want to play demagoguery - your right ... request
  34. ser56
    ser56 3 September 2018 11: 11
    -1
    Quote: Proxima
    pointed to Stalin on which section of the front to begin

    you might think the results of the salolic IVS decisions in 41-42 were better ... request
  35. ser56
    ser56 3 September 2018 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Alex_59
    From the very beginning, the USSR fought to restore its former borders.

    Seriously? and who in December 1917 let Finland go? Yes, even with the Vyborg province? crying
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 9 September 2018 21: 24
      0
      Kaiser ordered him, Ilyich was an obedient German patriot
  36. kan123
    kan123 15 October 2018 08: 14
    0
    Essers and other mercenaries killers, killed the first persons of the country, with the money of the United States and the British - Blumkin killed the German ambassador, the essay unions of the Ural workers - Romanovs - the St. Petersburg, Moscow branch of the militants - Uritsky and Lenin.