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Why did they kill the Russian tsar?

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Why did they kill the Russian tsar?



100 years ago, 17 July 1918, the former Russian emperor Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, their children Alexei, Olga, Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia, Dr. Botkin and three servants were shot at the “Special Purpose House”, in the Ipatiev mansion in Yekaterinburg .

In modern Russia, the myth prevails that the main culprits in this massacre are the Bolsheviks, personally Lenin and Stalin. However, this is a hoax, which is driven into the minds of people for certain political purposes. First, they try to hide the true culprits of the death of the royal family. Secondly, once again to blacken, cover up with blood the party of Bolsheviks, and therefore the idea of ​​Russian communism. Like, here are some monsters and bloody Bolshevik executioners, committed terrible reprisals against a defenseless family. They claim that Nikolai Aleksandrovich and his family were brutally murdered personally on the orders of Lenin, who avenged the Romanov dynasty for the death of his brother, executed under Alexander the Third. What exactly for the sake of revenge Lenin and "destroyed" the Russian empire. However, in reality neither Lenin nor Stalin had anything to do with the murder of the last Russian emperor and his family. Lenin categorically insisted on the trial of the activities of the former king and his wife Alexandra Feodorovna. Stalin, when the fate of Nicholas was decided, was not at all in Moscow, he was engaged in other matters.

It is worth remembering that Nicholas II was deprived of the throne, not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Westernists-Februaryists - most of the elite of the Russian Empire. The degenerated "elite" of Russia, grand dukes, aristocrats, generals, large owners, capitalists and the bourgeoisie, part of the bureaucracy, the pro-Western Russian intelligentsia, who hated tsarism. Many of them were merged into masonic lodges, which were under the control of "brothers" from the West. The masters of the West acted through the Masonic lodges and clubs, embassies and special services as an organizing force to destroy the Russian autocracy and plunge Russia into chaos, dismember and destroy the Russian civilization. For this purpose, a world war was organized in order to exsanguinate the Russian army and deprive the monarchy of its last powerful support. The Westernists-Februaryists prepared a palace coup and overthrew Nicholas (February Revolution).

Westerners formed the Provisional Government. At the first stage, it was headed by Prince G. Lvov, and then attorney-mason A. Kerensky. The fate of the former emperor who had renounced the throne depended on them. The fate of an unenviable, full of hardship and suffering. As the ancients said, woe to the vanquished.

20 March 1917 year of the deposed king and his wife were arrested by order of the Provisional Government. Until August 1917, Nikolay, his wife and children lived under arrest in the Alexander Palace of Tsarskoye Selo. According to Kerensky, they arrested the former tsar and his wife in order to protect the mob against mob law and to investigate the tsarist internal policy (the empress was accused of treason). For this purpose, the Supreme Extreme-Investigation Commission was organized, which was supposed to examine the activities of the bearers of the higher authorities of the old system.

As a result, the life of the royal family depended entirely on the will of Kerensky, who was charged with the maintenance and protection of the former emperor and his family. The Minister of the Provisional Government, P. N. Milyukov, tried to send Nicholas and his family to England, in the care of King George V, for which the prior consent of the British side was obtained. But in the end, the British refused to accept the Romanov family, in fact, London condemned the former Russian emperor to death.

Kerensky did not stand on ceremony with the prisoners. All documents and diaries were taken from Nikolai. He was restricted in his freedom of movement even in the palace. Nicholas and his family were completely isolated from the outside world. Dating was forbidden; correspondence was strictly censored. For the prisoners established double surveillance - external (head of the guard) and internal (commandant of the palace). Kerensky talked with the royal family roughly, without courtesy. He unceremoniously invaded the privacy of the former monarch, with all his appearance showed that Nicholas is now an ordinary mortal. Accordingly, the guard behaved.

In August, under the pretext of strengthening the revolutionary movement and anarchy in Petrograd, Kerensky decided to transfer prisoners deep into Russia, to Tobolsk. Nikolai did not expect this link. He hoped that he and his family would be sent to the Crimea, where some of the great princes and his mother lived. And in case of danger, from the Crimea could easily go abroad. But nothing could be done. As he could not save the country from war and confusion, he was also unable to protect his family. Kerensky, on the other hand, pretended that the translation was linked to the security of Nicholas. 4 (17) August 1917 train arrived in Tyumen, then arrested on the steamers Rus, Kormilets and Tyumen along the river were transported to Tobolsk. The Romanov family was housed in the governor’s house, specially renovated for their arrival. The family was allowed to walk across the street and the boulevard for worship at the Church of the Annunciation. The security regime here was much easier than in Tsarskoe Selo. Here the family led a monotonous, calm, measured life. The house, yard, small garden, church - the whole territory of life. The same people. From entertainment - physical work, swings and an ice slide.

Life was complicated by the Commissioner of the Provisional Government Pankratov and his assistant Nikolsky, who arrived in September. They led themselves rude and defiant. Their excesses continued for quite a long time. These figures were expelled by the soldiers after October. Commissioner Yakovlev came to replace them. He arrived with a detachment of soldiers in Tobolsk 22 April and had the right to shoot disobeying on the spot. At the end of April 1918, the prisoners were transported to Yekaterinburg, where a private house was requisitioned to accommodate the Romanovs.

Yakovlev was recalled, accusing him of allegedly trying to take the tsar abroad. The life of the royal family in Yekaterinburg was hard. They fell into the clutches of Zaslavsky, a very unpleasant person, and two more “specialists” of his shoulder cases — Goloshchekin and Yurovsky. These were very dark personalities. The chairman of the Ural Regional Council was Beloborodov (Y. Vaysbart). All of them were associated with the chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, Yakov Sverdlov (Yankel Rosenfeld), and he is closely tied to L. Trotsky. That is, the family of the former emperor again fell under the authority of agents of the West (previously, the fate of Nicholas was controlled by the western mason Kerensky). Sverdlov and Trotsky were the main conductors of the influence of the masters of the West among the Bolsheviks.

The masters of the West consistently destroyed Russian civilization: at first they plunged Russia into a war she did not need, they swept away the Russian autocracy, they destroyed the empire; the policy of the pro-Western Provisional Government finally plunged the country into turmoil, led to the collapse of Russia and the civil war; The Bolsheviks easily dared the Februaryists, the war of whites and reds, a fratricidal slaughter began. The troops of the Western powers began the occupation of Russia. BUT Trotsky, the protege of the “world behind the scenes,” became the second man after Lenin in the party and the Soviet state. He was planned to make the head of the new Russia. But for this it was necessary to eliminate the symbol of the old autocratic Russia — Nikolai (to make a sacred ritual sacrifice) and Lenin, an authoritative leader of the party and an experienced politician, who led his game.

Initially, the royal family was planning to execute already in Tobolsk. To do this, Zaslavsky arrived with the detachment. He, under the pretext of preparing Nicholas's escape, demanded to transfer his prison. But he met with the resistance of the guard chief Kobylinsky and his soldiers. Then Zaslavsky went to Yekaterinburg and reported on the situation to Beloborodov. He urgently went to Moscow, where he met with Trotsky and Sverdlov. Here, apparently, they developed a plan for the transfer of the royal family to Yekaterinburg. Trotsky was in a hurry. While there was unrest it was possible to take control in the country, in a more quiet time, he had no chance of success.

With the aim of even more chaos, he provoked Germany to intervene (the doctrine of “neither peace nor war”). Trotsky was dismissed from the post of People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs and appointed chairman of the Revolutionary Council, a military commissar. Trotsky was driving along the fronts, and all the victories of the young Red Army, whoever would have won them, attributed to himself. Foreign press called it the "Red Napoleon". Trotsky, however, continued to sow discord and again acted as a provocateur during the uprising of the Czechoslovak Corps, organized by the masters of the West to expand and strengthen the civil war in Russia. Soviet Russia was in the ring of fronts.

And at this moment, at the very apogee of the unrest, Trotsky is trying to seize the supreme power. July 12 The Ural Council, chaired by Beloborodov, decides: to bring Romanov to death without waiting for the trial. Yurovsky hastily forms a detachment of murderers. He told them that the order came from Moscow. On the night of 16 on 17 July, the royal family was brutally murdered. On the same night, Yurovsky tried to cover all traces and destroy the evidence of the massacre. So Trotsky eliminated the main symbol of "old Russia". The next was Lenin. In August, they tried to kill Lenin. But there was a slip. Vladimir Ilyich was only wounded.

Subsequently, the events did not develop according to the scenario of Trotsky and his Western masters. Soviet Russia did not become a “dung” in the matter of creating a new world order on the basis of false Communism. The Russian communists were able to create their own global project - the Soviet civilization, which took the best of the Russian empire and made a breakthrough into a bright future, the “golden age”. Soviet society on the basis of justice, ethics of conscience, service and creation became an alternative to the Western slave society of consumption and self-destruction.

Thus, the murder of the last Russian emperor Nicholas the Second and the attempt on Lenin are links in a single chain, the great game of the West against Russia.
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  1. Cat
    Cat 17 July 2018 05: 21
    +32
    Unfortunately, I do not see any other way, since speculation under the slogan of the last king is frankly tired of it. So I'll be rude.
    My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.
    It is a pity for family and servants, but wood chips are flying!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2018 05: 29
      +9
      I think that the Bolsheviks simply did not know what to do with it, many tried to release Nikolai, so they resolved the question radically: there is no person, there is no problem, and at the same time they removed the witnesses.
      1. Cat
        Cat 17 July 2018 05: 50
        +11
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        I think that the Bolsheviks simply did not know what to do with it, many tried to release Nikolai, so they resolved the question radically: there is no person, there is no problem, and at the same time they removed the witnesses.

        Yes, Andrey. Your version has every right to exist, although if you wanted to, you did it. Already suspiciously a lot of savior was drawn after the death of the royal family. And most importantly, everyone almost had time.
        Regarding the execution of Nicholas, the middle link of the executive branch in the Urals solved the tactical problem not by yours and not ours.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 17 July 2018 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Kotischa
          Yes Andrey. Your version has every right to exist.

          From a decrypted conversation with Isaiah Rodzinsky, Moscow, Radio Committee, 1964
          Tell us about the note in red ink.
          --- Ah, which I corresponded with Nikolai, there are two letters I wrote in French with a signature. A Russian officer. In red ink, as I recall, .......... just in case, they decided , so start a correspondence of such an order that a group of officers, about the fact that the release is approaching, ....... You see, there were two objectives pursued, ....... there was a need for proof that the abduction was being prepared. ...
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 July 2018 09: 00
          +4
          Quote: Kotischa
          Regarding the execution of Nicholas, the middle link of the executive branch in the Urals solved the tactical problem not by yours and not ours.

          Killing children, dismembering and burning their corpses in a fire and in hydrochloric acid Is this a tactical task? There are no words ... belay

          Yesterday, July 17, people from all over Russia gone mournful night The Way of the Cross from the house of the Temple on Blood to Ganina Pit, headed by Patriarch Kirill. On this way, the murdered Romanovs were brought a hundred years ago.
          HUNDRED THOUSAND-a whole human river flowed through the streets of Yekaterinburg and walked 22 km to the Ganina pit.
          Russia remembers and honors its sovereign!
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 July 2018 09: 54
            +3
            Today is another tragic anniversary — exactly one hundred years ago, in the city of ALAPAEVSK, on ​​July 18, another terrible reprisal against women and men of the Romanov clan, the sisters of the monastery, took place.
            Women and men were beaten with an AX in the head, thrown into a mine, and then thrown with grenades, logs and earth.
            Part survived and died long and painfully from wounds and hunger .....
            All of them are recognized as innocent by the Court of Russia.
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 05
              -2
              Hey Russophobe, what kind of authority is this, the Court of Russia? Know-Supreme, Appeal, etc. But I just don’t know the Court of Russia.
          2. IImonolitII
            IImonolitII 18 July 2018 13: 37
            0
            Bloody king - bloody reprisal. It just so happened that most of these monarchs did just that.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 36
              +3
              Quote: IImonolitII
              Bloody king - bloody reprisal.

              Bloody ?! belay fool
              But the murderers and shame received his killers. And from their own. What is especially edifying! yes
              1. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 46
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                But the murderers and shame received his killers. And from their own. What is especially edifying!

                Yah...
                What is this?
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6QpN22tpc
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              2. Looking for
                Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 07
                -2
                Why is this a shame? Everyone knows Yurovsky. But who knows the royal daughters?
          3. Sweetheart
            Sweetheart 18 July 2018 15: 41
            +9
            Quote: Olgovich
            Russia remembers and honors its sovereign!

            The most useless? The crowd of duped? Even a hundred thousand? In Y.burg? No wonder, there is a nest of treason in Russia, the Yeltsin center.
            And people think so .- "There are so many monuments to Nikolai ... Probably it is necessary to install Stalin, and the Mausoleum should not be draped anymore on May 9. Or is everything going in the same direction? .. As the news said:" In modern Russia, pages are not erased stories ... "... Well, well ...
            And maybe enough to repent? All 90s repented. Now again? Is it so beneficial for the authorities to instill guilt among the people? I understand that it’s easier to manage the wilted people. In addition, the people who are beginning to understand that he was robbed.
            I would put all the families of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich in a landfill, enclose a fence, and let them eat what is there, gradually dying. They fattened when people were destroyed. And now their offspring live on those troubles that their grandfathers did. Love the hypocrite? Do you say the people should repent for the dead children of the royal family? Then the whole people should repent for the dead children of the 90s: from drug addiction, alcoholism, violence (including sexual). Or is it less scary? Oh yes, after all, the children of ordinary people were dying.
            And now children are dying in the Donbass. What a patriotic upsurge was in 2014! .. And I bow to those people who went to defend the Donbass. For myself, I will now find a bunch of excuses. But the fact remains, we calmly observe this. Someone will even cry. But where are the media appeals for the repentance of the whole people? Oh yes, it’s the children of ordinary people who die.
            So, we will repent where we are shown? "
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 July 2018 05: 53
              +3
              Quote: The Swordsman
              ......... all people should repent for the dead children of the 90s: from drug addiction, alcoholism, violence (including sexual). Or is it less scary? Oh yes, after all, the children of ordinary people were dying.
              And now children are dying in the Donbass. What a patriotic upsurge was in 2014! .. And I bow to those people who went to defend the Donbass. For myself, I will now find a bunch of excuses. But the fact remains, we calmly observe this. Someone will even cry. But where are the media appeals for the repentance of the whole people? Oh yes, it’s the children of ordinary people who die ........ "
              And it is worth recalling the articles of Elena Gromova! About the children of Donbass! Something a few comments were !!!!! Or articles by Sofia Milyutinskaya about children tortured and killed by the Nazis !!!!
              A pity, cry over the arrogant ---- how many comers !!!!!
              And it is worth recalling that the Russian Orthodox Church welcomed the Provisional Government, which not only archival documents, but also Denikin mentioned in his book! And Guchkov himself wrote the book, how the king was overthrown !!!!!!
              1. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 19 July 2018 11: 31
                +5
                Quote: Reptiloid
                A pity, cry over the arrogant ---- how many comers !!!!!

                We are watching the film "Eternal Call" .. despite the fact that it is artistic, its meaning and showing that it was ABSOLUTELY documentary. And the images shown there are absolutely reliable - one image of a bastard from a white counterintelligence and then in the service of the Nazis played basilashvilip over time showed -basilashviloi didn’t play a role. He lived like that. he thought just like that and wished for that.
                1. Gennadich
                  Gennadich 26 July 2018 02: 50
                  0
                  but rather we read the book "Eternal Call" -tkk cinema meaning and most importantly, well, does not transmit there
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 24
              +3
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Most useless? Crowd duped? Even a hundred thousand? In Y.burg?

              The procession of one of the most intelligent and conscientious people in Russia.
              .
              Quote: The Swordsman
              А people thinks

              Who gave the right to speak on behalf of the people? belay Virtually disappeared losers, prvvat everything in the world, never had the right to speak on his behalf (not instructed them)
              Quote: The Swordsman
              I would be all the families of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich settled in a landfill, fenced, and let them eat what is there, gradually dying. They fattened when people were destroyed. And now their offspring live on those troubles that their grandfathers did

              I agree 100%! One addition: This must be done with all the leaders of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the District Committee and above. They created the 91st.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Do you say the people should repent for the dead children of the royal family?

              What's wrong with you?! fool WHAT do people repent of? It was not he who brutally killed the children and the Sovereign, they even hid it from him.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Then the whole people should repent for the dead children of the 90s: from drug addiction, alcoholism, violence (including sexual). Or is it less scary? Oh yes, after all, children of ordinary people were dying.

              This is the fault of the same Communists (their essence has not changed due to the change of name), who arranged in 91 m SUCH cruelty scrapping the system, which they arranged in 1917.
              Quote: The Swordsman
              And now children are dying in the Donbass.

              And in the Rostov region, in the Voronezh region, they DO NOT die. Because these Russian areas are in of Russia. A Russian Donbass, ghouls, against his will, stuck in the so-called Ukraine by committing a crime. Now he is forced to fend off monsters created by ghouls.
              That’s why the perpetrators of this crime will never wash off.
              So
              Quote: The Swordsman
              will we repent?
              1. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 29
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                The procession of smart and conscientious people of Russia is its color.

                The stupidity of the duped.
                Quote: Olgovich
                I agree 100%! One addition: This must be done with all the leaders of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the District Committee and above. They created the 91st.

                Together with you.
                Quote: Olgovich
                This is the fault of the same Communists (their essence did not change as a result of the name change), who arranged in the same 91 meters the same cruelty for breaking up the system that they built in 1917.

                Falshak and blah blah blah.
                Quote: Olgovich
                . And the Russian Donbass, ghouls, against his will, was stuck in the so-called Ukraine by committing a crime. Now he is forced to fend off monsters created by ghouls.

                Viskuli 1991-your arranged.
                Quote: Olgovich
                That’s why the perpetrators of this crime will never wash off.

                Yes, you don’t wash off for 1991 and other years that you are so silent about, serving the interests of thieves.
                Will we repent?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 July 2018 12: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Stupidity fooled

                  Smart can not be fooled, remember
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Falshak and blah blah blah.

                  Stubborn facts. Therefore, fear as the devil incense
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Viskuli 1991 year-your arranged

                  All-YOUR PARTY-supreme, with it. And your "advanced detachment of 18 million hot hearts" lol while sprinkled through the bushes at the speed of sound.
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Yes, you don’t wash off for 1991 and other years that you are so silent about, serving the interests of thieves.

                  For the inclusion of the Russian Donbass in your so-called Ukraine, to you
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  yes don't wash
                  never.
                  1. Sweetheart
                    Sweetheart 19 July 2018 13: 12
                    +5
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Smart can not be fooled, remember

                    But you try, and in the end, stupid people believe you.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Stubborn facts. Therefore, fear as the devil incense

                    You have no facts. You have rehashed the lies of the conquists. Solzhenitsyn and other sytiny. Drandins and Svanidz.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    All-YOUR PARTY-supreme, with it. And your "advanced detachment of 18 million hot hearts" at the same time sprinkled through the bushes at the speed of sound.

                    That is, you are now surrendering your Yeltsin and Gaidar, the day is not far off when you surrender the current ones. They are the same. Yours.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    For the inclusion of the Russian Donbass in your so-called Ukraine, to you

                    You propagandize this nonsense among the victims of the exam.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    never.

                    It is from dirt, stench and blood, neither you, nor your obscurantism-tsarozhozhnikam, other Russophobia and anti-Soviet I never wash.
                    Having chosen the notorious “Stalinist repressions” as their target of hatred (their coverage was less than “Obama’s repressions”), post-Soviet demagogues constantly beat on the nerves with a scattering of bones.
                    your worldview platform is simple and suicidal:
                    1. We have no enemies, their paranoid Stalin invented.
                    2. And if life irrefutably proves that there are still enemies (where can they go ?!) - all the same, do not kill them.
                    3. Better they kill us than we them. They, the enemies, will be ashamed of us, meek, then, as the Americans are for the Indians today ...
                    Where, besides the grave, can one lead a society with such a platform? But you and your kind are reproducing it again and again, and it was Solzhenitsyn who first launched this kind of toxic “mercy towards the fallen”. It was he who insisted on the pangs of pity for the lessons, “forgetting” to pity everyone who fell victim to these lessons. And who is Solzhenitsyn, but not a traitor? Such are all those who, with him in unison, clap all kinds of nonsense in unison.
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                  2. your1970
                    your1970 30 August 2018 14: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Viskuli 1991 year-your arranged
                    All-YOUR PARTY-supreme, with it. And your "advanced detachment of 18 million hot hearts" at the same time sprinkled through the bushes at the speed of sound.
                    - humbly recall about the convoy of his imperial majesty on the 3 day the sworn VP and a relative of the king who brought the sworn naval crew
          4. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 July 2018 21: 10
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            Russia remembers and honors its sovereign ....
            But it’s not clear why only this sovereign needs to be mourned, for example, they don’t remember John Antonovich, the murderers of Shlisselburg on July 6, 1764, but he was anointed and did not renounce death. Paul or Alexander.
            Moreover, about the murders of John Antonovich and Paul, it is well known that the "beneficiaries" were their relatives, namesakes .... And nothing. Once forgot Olgovich and many others.
            And how in tolerant and law-abiding Europe they soaked their sovereigns ---- much more than in RI !!!!!!
          5. AK1972
            AK1972 10 September 2018 15: 54
            0
            Of course, executing with an ax is the height of barbarism. It was necessary to use more civilized means. For example, an electric chair.
        3. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 18 July 2018 12: 56
          +4
          and thanks for that, the deceased, if they could, should have told their relatives in Small Britain and Denmark, and the Bolsheviks did what they had to do, so that later it would not be possible for anyone to use Nikolai and direct heirs legally, but for the purpose of using the one who uses it.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 33
            0
            Quote: Warrior with machine gun
            so that later it was not possible for anyone to use Nicholas and direct heirs legally,

            belay TENS of the Romanovs (the same Nicholas), including ACTIVE The Empress Maria Fedorovna.
            So legally, everything was without the Sovereign.
            1. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 41
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              including ACTING Empress Maria Fedorovna.

              What the hell is this ??? And where is it ACTIVE... acts ?? Divorced these closharov as fleas ...
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 21 July 2018 13: 29
                +3
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Quote: Olgovich
                including ACTING Empress Maria Fedorovna.

                What the hell is this ??? And where is it ACTIVE... acts ?? Divorced these closharov as fleas ...

                And this we see problems with the Russian language. Russian language is difficult! Hard to learn! Although some are trying !!!! HERE and such expressions appear! Or unforgettable ---- to "cut" yourself nodules on the forehead, as well as the nose. Horror !!!!!
                1. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 22 July 2018 10: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Or unforgettable ---- to "cut" yourself nodules on the forehead, as well as the nose. Horror !!!!!

                  You are right.
                  Such expressions appear among those with the Russian language, their idioms and sayings, out of tune.
            2. your1970
              your1970 30 August 2018 14: 08
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: Warrior with machine gun
              so that later it was not possible for anyone to use Nicholas and direct heirs legally,

              belay TENS of the Romanovs (the same Nicholas), including ACTIVE The Empress Maria Fedorovna.
              So legally, everything was without the Sovereign.
              -And now reveal the secret, why NOT united under their banner all honest and decent people of Russia and NOT began to expel the "damned Bolsheviks !!" ???
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 17 July 2018 05: 58
        +10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Many tried to free Nicholas, so they solved the question radically: there is no person, there is no problem, and at the same time the witnesses were removed.

        Here you are deeply mistaken, nobody was going to release the last Russian Tsar, there were none.
        There were such Chekists-killers, Isaiah Idelevich Rodzinsky and Pyotr Lazarevich Voikov, and these were engaged in provocation, they wrote letters in the name of the tsar on behalf of supposedly conspiratorial monarchists who were ready to free the tsar, and these letters were handed over to the tsar. Well, and as a result, such comments , well, the provocative conclusion is that they were shot, because it was necessary to hurry so that the monarchists would not be released.
        Isaiah Idelevich, an old provocateur, spoke about this himself in detail, in 1964.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 17 July 2018 06: 40
          +12
          Well do not tell. Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive one of the children of Nicholas No. 2 and use them for their own purposes, since the abdication in 1917. It was very "muddy" and it was only because Nikolai No. 2, with his mediocre rule, got everyone. But the local Bolsheviks acted politically expediently, eliminating the source of possible problems for Soviet Russia. Lenin, of course, wanted to squeeze out more political dividends from the former imperial family (public court and execution), but in those conditions, the main thing was not to give the trump card to the owners of the Fed in the person of Kolchak and the Entente.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 07: 36
            +11
            Quote: zoolu350
            Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive one of the children of Nikolai No. 2 and use them for their own purposes

            Do you have evidence for this? Or speculation in the style of "Ivanov was a Japanese-English-Polish spy"?
            Quote: zoolu350
            with his mediocre rule he got everyone

            Well, yes, he ruled the country so ineptly that during his reign the population grew from 126 million to 170, railways were actively laid in the country, during the war years industry grew by 7% per year, and the enemy was not allowed to go further than Poland. Don't talk nonsense. Nicholas II was overthrown because he prevented parts of the elite from gaining power in the British or Turkish fashion.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 17 July 2018 08: 09
              +22
              Teterin again started a fairy tale about dairy rivers and jelly banks in the Republic of Ingushetia. And Daugavpils in my opinion is further than Poland, right? So how many rifles, machine guns, tanks, guns and planes did this “mighty-growing” industry produce in comparison with other participants in the WWII?
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 05
                +6
                Quote: zoolu350
                And Daugavpils in my opinion is further than Poland, right?

                Daugavpils was no further than the border of the Privislinsky Territory. And during the three years of the war, the Germans never managed to take it. The city was even called "Russian Verdun." And I would like to remind you that in 1941 the Germans took the same city on June 26. On the 4th day of the war ...
                Quote: zoolu350
                How many rifles, machine guns, tanks, guns and planes did this “mighty-growing” industry produce compared to other WWI participants?

                Read: https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/16905.html
                The article is objective, based on the works of Manikovsky and Barsukov, who were contemporaries of the events of those years.
                And do not forget that the countries participating in the WWII increased the rate of military production throughout 1917 and until November 1918, and Russia, through the defeat of the Bolsheviks, at that time received the collapse of industry.
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 17 July 2018 09: 38
                  +17
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  And during the three years of the war, the Germans never managed to take it. The city was even called "Russian Verdun." And I would like to remind you that in 1941 the Germans took the same city on June 26. [b] On the 4th day of the war ...

                  Teterin spun around, justifying his puncture. Yes, even for 1 hour of war. Remind me, when did the army of RI take Berlin during WWI?
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 10: 11
                    +6
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Teterin spun around, justifying his puncture.

                    And where did you see the puncture, my dear? wink
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Yes, even for 1 hour of war. Remind me, when did the army of RI take Berlin during WWI?

                    That is, for you, the fact of the capture of the enemy’s capital is more important than the preservation of the country's internal provinces undisturbed? In WWII, the Germans reached the Volga and Moscow, burned half of the country - but for you it doesn’t matter ?!
                    And Berlin, Russian troops in WWI would have taken. If the Bolsheviks would not have been crushed to smithereens by the Germans in the spring of 1918 due to the decomposition of the army. The decomposition achieved, by the way, by the works of the same Bolsheviks!
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 10: 35
                      +20
                      And Berlin, Russian troops in WWI would have taken. If the Bolsheviks would not have been crushed to smithereens by the Germans in the spring of 1918 due to the decomposition of the army. The decomposition achieved, by the way, by the works of the same Bolsheviks!
                      Sure sure. Order No. 1 and the Declaration on the Rights of a Soldier, apparently, were not issued by Kerensky, but by Lenin wassat . How Russophobes are ignorant and stupid.
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 11: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Sure sure. Order No. 1 and the Declaration on the Rights of a Soldier, apparently, were not issued by Kerensky, but by Lenin

                        But you forget that in spite of these papers, the front is at the very least, but held on until the fall of 1917. But when the Bolshevization of the “soldier's soviets” began and the defeated Bolsheviks launched their propaganda with might and main ... then the war ended in the disgrace signed by the Bolsheviks.
                      2. Looking for
                        Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 19
                        -1
                        Yes, no, they are cunning and resourceful. They operate only with the benefit of their ideology.
                  2. hrulevv
                    hrulevv 17 July 2018 21: 36
                    +1
                    The Bolsheviks, alas, preferred the Brest peace to the capture of Berlin ...
                    1. Ushly_bashkort
                      Ushly_bashkort 18 July 2018 09: 45
                      +5
                      Probably because the army and the people wanted this. The Bolsheviks differed from the whites in that they kept their promises.
                2. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 10: 14
                  +23
                  Are you purposely lying or pretending to be?
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  And do not forget that the countries participating in the WWII increased the rate of military production throughout 1917 and until November 1918, and Russia, through the defeat of the Bolsheviks, at that time received the collapse of industry.

                  I suppose you will still say that the Bolsheviks threw off the tsar? In fact, more or less literate people know that this liberal Kerensky ruined the front by issuing Order No. 1 and the Declaration on the Rights of the Soldier, as a result of which millions of soldiers deserted and the front collapsed.
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  And I would like to remind you that in 1941 the Germans took the same city on June 26. On the 4th day of the war ...

                  You lie again and turn inside out. In 1941, the USSR fought one-on-one with Germany, while Germany was forced to fight on two fronts in WWI, and the German command considered the Western Front a priority, and held most of its troops there. You should know that after the declaration of war by Germany, it did not advance on the Eastern Front, since according to Schlieffen’s plan, it was planned to defeat France first, and only then transfer all forces against Russia. It was the Russian army that launched the first offensive, and only on August 17, 16 days after the start of the war. Isn't it strange? So who is the aggressor now? Germany or Russia? Russia had to sit back and not conduct offensive actions, just as the French and British did in 1939, who did not lift a finger to help their Polish allies.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 11: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    In fact, a little literate person knows that this liberal Kerensky ruined the front by issuing Order No. 1 and the Declaration on the Rights of a Soldier

                    See my comment above. Despite these papers, the front held out until the Bolsheviks soldier councils.
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    In 1941, the USSR fought one on one with Germany, while in WWI Germany was forced to fight on two fronts,

                    And now the question is "backfill": why under the “incompetent tsar” Russia entered the war, having two leading world powers in its allies, and under the “ingenious people's leaders” the USSR managed to remain face to face with the Nazis, whose leader in his opus “Mein Kampf” (translated into Russian as early as 1933) directly declared aggressive plans against the USSR?
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    It was the Russian army that launched the first offensive, and only on August 17, 16 days after the start of the war. Isn't it strange? So who is the aggressor now? Germany or Russia?

                    You speak exactly like the German Kaiser and officers of the German General Staff in 1919. They also tried to justify themselves, but they did not take into account that the declaration of war, coupled with mobilization, was itself an act of aggression. Here is what Nikolay Golovin writes:
                    On July 15 (28), Austria-Hungary declared a mobilization and the same day the war of Serbia.
                    On July 18 (31), mobilization in Russia was declared, and the next day Germany declared war on Russia, and France mobilized. ****
                    July 21 (Aug 4), our reconnaissance from the Vilnius century cavalry district, crossing the border, confirmed, according to the commander, the data of the pre-mobilization period. It turned out, by the way, that the enemy concentrated ranks of 3 types of weapons on the border at Eidkunen and Markgrabovo (7 p. 5).
                    July 22 (Aug 4) at about 16 p.m. the enemy tried to go on the offensive against Qibarta. Initially located in this area, our battalion of 5 pages of brigade was squeezed, but supported by border guards again occupied Kibarty by the evening of the same day. After 14 p.m. July 23 (Aug. 5), the enemy began again to bombard Kibarta with artillery and rifle fire. His attempt to advance was again repulsed. Our cavalry supported the infantry and about 20 hours. opened artillery fire.
                    The Germans lost more than 100 people killed, 1 of., 6 soldiers captured.

                    http://grwar.ru/library/Strateg_Essay_1/SE_01_00.
                    html
                    Do you understand? The declaration of war is tantamount to aggression, it means that the territory of the country can be attacked at any time.
                    so there is no need to Russophobia and blame Russia for aggression, otherwise you will reach the level of Akhedzhakova "Forgive us Kaiser!"
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 11: 44
                      +16
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      See my comment above. Despite these papers, the front held out until the Bolsheviks soldier councils.

                      Yeah, kept it up so that by November 1917 there was no longer any front in front of Germany.
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      And now the question is “backfilling”: why did Russia enter the war under the “mediocre tsar”, having two leading powers of the world as allies, and with the “ingenious people's leaders” the USSR managed to remain face to face with the Nazis, whose leader is in his opus? Mein Kampf "(translated into Russian in 1933) directly stated aggressive plans against the USSR?

                      But in WWI, Russia traded Russian blood, while under Stalin, Russia fought for itself, and it was France that sent us cannon fodder in the person of Normandy and the Polish army.
                      1. Trapperxnumx
                        Trapperxnumx 17 July 2018 16: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        But in WWI, Russia traded in Russian blood,

                        Tell the French and British who died under Verdun and the Somme! Russia sent aid to the ally because it understood that France would fall and it would be much harder for Russia to cope with the bloc of Central Powers.
                  2. Trapperxnumx
                    Trapperxnumx 17 July 2018 16: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    You should know that after the declaration of war by Germany, it did not advance on the Eastern Front, since according to the Schlieffen plan, it was planned to defeat France first, and only then transfer all forces against Russia. It was the Russian army that launched the first offensive, and only on 17 of August, 16 days after the start of the war. Isn't it strange? So who is the aggressor now?

                    What nonsense !!! What enchanting nonsense !!!! And after that, dare you call yourself a competent person and a patriot?
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 17: 44
                      +14
                      It is hard to object to the facts. You make yourself an ignoramus and a monarchist who does not know basic things!
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 17 July 2018 18: 16
                        +2
                        There is nonsense. The aggressor is the one who declared war. And, if anything, google the “Kalishsky pogrom” so as not to be known as an ignoramus in the future.
                      2. Trapperxnumx
                        Trapperxnumx 18 July 2018 10: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        It is hard to object to the facts. You make yourself an ignoramus and a monarchist who does not know basic things!

                        When there is not enough brain and education, the distortion of words and attempts to insult begins. Remain in your fantasy world with a good German empire and aggressive Russia.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 17 July 2018 11: 11
                +5
                Quote: zoolu350
                So how This "mighty-growing" industry has produced rifles, machine guns, tanks, guns and aircraft compared to other participants in the WWI?

                How many millions died of starvation in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR - remember? But it is necessary: ​​under the Emperor, no one in the USSR, more than 10 million!
                How to remember and what to eat and dress also good, as in 1913, the Russian people could already through ...40 years continuous "improvement" of life. yes
                PS Although, someone may eat iron lol
                1. AK1972
                  AK1972 17 July 2018 13: 12
                  +10
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  How many millions died of starvation in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR - remember? But it is necessary: ​​under the Emperor, no one in the USSR, more than 10 million!

                  I doubt that RI kept statistics on starvation mortality. It is naive to think that in the Republic of Ingushetia everyone was fed up with a belly and died exclusively from gut twisting.
                  In the early USSR, hunger certainly was. But it was artificially created by our "partners" in the United States and Great Britain, when in payment for the supply of machine tools, steam locomotives and industrial. equipment they refused to accept any currency, oil, gold. Only grain was accepted for payment, which was then burned, since in the United States at that time there were record grain crops.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 July 2018 06: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: AK1972
                    I doubt that RI kept statistics on starvation mortality. It is naive to think that in the Republic of Ingushetia everyone was fed up with a belly and died exclusively from gut twisting.

                    In order not to doubt, one must not be an ignoramus and know The history of their homeland: in Russia about the victims last EVERYTHING was known and written by the tsar of the famine of 1891, but in the USSR in 1933, officially, there were not 7 million deaths from starvation, not one at all. Were only happy "secured fool collective farmers:
                    Quote: AK1972
                    In the early USSR, hunger certainly was. But it was artificially created by our "partners" in the United States and Great Britain, when in payment for the supply of machine tools, steam locomotives and industrial. equipment they refused to accept any currency, oil, gold. Only grain was accepted for payment, which was then burned, since in the United States at that time there were record grain crops.

                    1. In order not to carry this BAD - see USSR exports in 1933-32 - to the officer. reference books.
                    2. Partners were not required to feed the USSR.
                    3. Do not know how to lead, do not take it. The whole world was built - and without millions of victims.
                2. Yuri Litvinenko
                  Yuri Litvinenko 17 July 2018 14: 02
                  +14
                  Only from starvation in the 50 years to 1917, 5,4 million, confirmed by the Holodomor, 2,5 million are mainly 21-22 years old, and 10 mil. taken from the horror book of 30 years in the USA. It’s kind of like the villain Stalin, according to their data, slammed 110 ml. 30 killed in the war, and who remained in the country?
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 17 July 2018 14: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
                    from starvation in the 50 years to 1917, 5,4 million,


                    You are lying, but you know the measure
                    1. Yuri Litvinenko
                      Yuri Litvinenko 18 July 2018 08: 16
                      +5
                      Here's an example- “In 50 provinces of European Russia in 1892 (after a crop failure of 1891) 3563398 people died (3,92% of the total N.), while over the seven years of 1884–90. only 2820363 people per year died (3,34%). In the fruitful 1894 (following the fruitful 1893) ”- V. Pokrovsky. Population // Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary
                      From the report already Stolypin in 1911: "32 million were starving, losses of 1 million 613 thousand people."
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 18 July 2018 13: 00
                        0
                        Again the mythical "Stolypin report" that no one saw
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 July 2018 07: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
                    Only from starvation in the 50 years to 1917, 5,4 million, confirmed by the Holodomor, 2,5 million are mainly 21-22 years old, and 10 mil. taken from the horror book of 30 years in the USA. It’s kind of like the villain Stalin, according to their data, slammed 110 ml. 30 killed in the war, and who remained in the country?

                    What kind of nonsense?
                    Russian is not your language ..
                3. Nehist
                  Nehist 17 July 2018 14: 07
                  +11
                  From 1901 to 1911, more than 30 ml of people in 49 provinces were starving. About 8 ml died.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 17 July 2018 14: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Nehist
                    From 1901 to 1911, more than 30 ml of people in 49 provinces were starving. About 8 ml died.


                    it's just a blatant lie. In these years there was no mass mortality from starvation
                    1. Nehist
                      Nehist 17 July 2018 14: 43
                      +10
                      Read Yermolov A.S. This is if you do not know the Minister of Agriculture in the Republic of Ingushetia from 1894-1905.
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 17 July 2018 14: 46
                        +5
                        What exactly from Ermolov do you suggest reading to me ?? I won’t even ask about the quote, I understand that you won’t be able to bring
                    2. naidas
                      naidas 17 July 2018 20: 45
                      +9
                      Unlike you, this is what the impudent liars of those years write:
                      Leo Tolstoy: ... In all these villages, although there is no mixture of bread, as it was in 1891, they do not give bread, although clean. Welding - millet, cabbage, potatoes, even most, have no. Food consists of grass cabbage soup, whitened if there is a cow, and unbleached if there is none, and only bread. In all these villages, the majority sold and mortgaged everything that could be sold and mortgaged .... The farther into the Bogoroditsky district and closer to Efremovsky, the worse and worse the situation ... Almost nothing was born on the best lands, only seeds returned . Almost everyone has bread with a quinoa. Quinoa here is unripe, green. The white nucleolus, which usually occurs in it, is not at all, and therefore it is not edible. One cannot eat bread with a quinoa. If you eat one bread on an empty stomach, it will vomit. From kvass made on flour with a swan, people go naughty. ”
                      Another liar, V. G. Korolenko: I had a hope that when I manage to announce all this, when I talk loudly to all of Russia about these Dubrovtsy, Pralevtsy and Petrovtsy people, about how they became "tenderers", how "bad pain" destroys entire villages, as in a little Lukoyanovo the little girl asks her mother to "bury her alive in the country", then maybe my articles can have at least some influence on the fate of these Dubrovka, raising an edge on the question of the need for land reform, at least at first the most modest. ”
                      “Now (1906-7), in starving areas, fathers sell their daughters to merchants of live goods.”
                      Agronomist A.N. Engelhardt, lived in the village and left the classic fundamental study of the reality of the Russian village - “Letters from the Village”: ... In our province and in the harvest years, the rare peasant has enough of his bread to the novi; almost everyone has to buy bread, and whoever has nothing to buy, they send children, old people, old women to “pieces” to fight around the world. In the current year, we have a complete crop failure for everything: rye was badly born and was full of a broom, fire, and calf; the spring was completely gone, so for the most part only the seeds were returned; feed - due to the poor harvest of spring straw and a poor harvest of grass from a lack of rain - is small, and this is the most difficult for peasants, because if there is a shortage of bread, you can still feed yourself in the world in pieces, and you won’t send your horse to the world. Bad - so bad that it can't be worse. Children before Kuzma-Demyan (November 1) went to pieces. Cold Yegoriy (November 26) this year was hungry - two Yegoria a year: cold (November 26) and hungry (April 23). Farmers, before winter's Nikola, ate bread and began to buy; I sold the first cul of bread to the peasant in October, and the man, after all, is known to buy bread only when the last pound of homemade flour was kneaded. At the end of December, daily up to thirty couples walked in fraying pieces: go and go, children, women, old people, even healthy guys and young people. Hunger is not your brother: just as you don’t eat, you also sell saints. It’s a shame for a young guy or girl, but there’s nothing to do, - puts on a bag and goes into the world to fight. This year, not only children, women, women, old people, old women, young boys and girls, but also many owners went to pieces. There is nothing at home - do you understand this? Today they ate the last rug, from which yesterday they were serving slices to the battered, ate and went into the world.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 July 2018 07: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: naidas
                        Unlike you, this is what the impudent liars of those years write:

                        Stop talking! Evidence of starvation deaths after 1891 on the table!
                        Even communist accusers of tsarism in USSR-shamel lie: NO IN ONE USSR scientific work there is NO mention of deaths from starvation in Russia after 1891.
                        Remember this, finally!
                        Engelgart is generally 1872 g
                        - what are you speaking about? fool
                      2. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 18 July 2018 13: 09
                        -1
                        And what did you “refute” with these quotes ??? Mortality from starvation during the King of Hunger was. This is no one denies.
                        "The death rate of 1892 (from all causes) in the famine amounted to 406 thousand people"
                        Later years happened with malnutrition, but there were no mass starvation deaths. It was not until the Bolsheviks came to power. Then even King Hunger seemed a children's party.
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                    4. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 19 July 2018 06: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Gopnik
                      ....... there was no mass mortality from starvation
                      And Tolstoy wrote HUNGER !!!!!! Really come up with?
                      A census at the end of the 19th century? When the average life expectancy is about 30 years !!!!
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And Tolstoy wrote HUNGER !!!!!! Really come up with?

                        WHAT ???
                        Hunger is not DEATH from him, is it really difficult to understand?
                    5. Looking for
                      Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 31
                      -2
                      And you look at the photos of Russian peasants. Walking corpses do not resemble? so 8 million in 10 years is a real figure.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 July 2018 07: 52
                    +4
                    Quote: Nehist
                    From 1901 to 1911, more than 30 ml of people in 49 provinces were starving. About 8 ml died.

                    Quote: Nehist
                    About 8 ml died.

                    Lying. And sadly stupid.
                    1. Yuri Litvinenko
                      Yuri Litvinenko 18 July 2018 14: 54
                      +1
                      The same lie as the Holodomor!
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
                        The same lie as the Holodomor!

                        In Ukraine’s version, it’s asleep, lie.
                        And in the statement of the State Duma of Russia 7 million deaths from starvation 1933 truebased on the painstaking work of the special Commission in the archives.
                        Millions of deaths (albeit smaller) from hunger, by the way, are not denied by anyone.
                4. Looking for
                  Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 26
                  -2
                  You, Russophobe, You lie all the time.
              3. Weyland
                Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 17
                +1
                Quote: zoolu350
                Daugavpils in my opinion is further than Poland, right?

                Yes. but during WWII the Germans took Minsk through week war. and in WWI - through 2 years!
                1. avt
                  avt 17 July 2018 12: 19
                  +12
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Yes. but during WWII, the Germans took Minsk after a week of war. and in WWI - after 2 years!

                  bully Learn the materiel - there was no second front in France and in Italy, too, she fought on the side of Hitler, as did Romania. And against whom did the Romanians fight at the First to seek reluctance? The USSR waged war on ALL continental Europe, with the exception of Yugoslavia, almost like in 1812, when the Spaniards were instead of Serbs.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 17 July 2018 13: 37
                    +5
                    Quote: avt
                    USSR waged war on ALL continental Europe


                    The politics and diplomacy of the Bolsheviks were such “miraculous” that they brought to this. And the Russian people had to disentangle
                    1. avt
                      avt 17 July 2018 14: 16
                      +9
                      Quote: Gopnik
                      The politics and diplomacy of the Bolsheviks were such “miraculous” that they brought to this.

                      fool The brain is not curable. Well, the brain does not let the facts of objective reality happen. So soon, and about ,, Munich agreement "you will sing - Stalin and the Communists are to blame.
                      "miraculous" were the politics and diplomacy of the Bolsheviks,
                      Yes, such that, in accordance with the treaty, Stalin proposed that troops be allowed to enter Czechoslovakia through Poland in order to crush Hitler in the bud. But Chamberlain ,, brought the world. ”But again, the Bolsheviks were to blame for the young people according to Fonvizin. It’s even impossible to explain that if it weren’t for the Bolsheviks, but for some kind of Nikolashka the Bloody“ Blood ”with his camarilla, that little guy wouldn’t tick comments the Internet from a personal computer in the conviction of the Bolsheviks, because its ancestors would simply be processed in concentration camps for soap in accordance with the plan, “Ost”
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 17 July 2018 14: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: avt
                        The brain is not curable. Well, the brain does not let the facts of objective reality happen.


                        Well, sorry for that. It happens ... Hold on.

                        Quote: avt
                        So soon, and about ,, Munich agreement "you will sing - Stalin and the Communists are to blame.


                        Why should I so "sing" ??? Do not attribute your fantasies to me.
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 July 2018 08: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: avt
                        Yes, such that Stalin in accordance with agreement suggested passing troops to Czechoslovakia through Polandto crush in the bud of Hitler.

                        This is exactly
                        Quote: avt
                        The brain is incurable

                        There was no "agreement on passing through Poland.!
                        Quote: avt
                        Which it’s even impossible to explain that if it weren’t for the Bolsheviks, but let's say something like Nikolashka the “Bloody” with his camarilla, that little guy wouldn’t tap comments on the Internet from a personal computer in denouncing the Bolsheviks, because his ancestors were just in concentration camps soap would be recycled in accordance with the plan ,, Ost "

                        If there was a Sovereign, there would be no WWII at all, like the 27 million dead, and Nuremberg would have taken place in 1918, as planned.

                        But the Bolsheviks, instead of finishing off, saved the beast in Brest, then the Rappals Treaty. What did you get very soon, remember?
                  2. hrulevv
                    hrulevv 17 July 2018 21: 48
                    +3
                    Of course, it is necessary to learn the mate part, but I dare say that RI fought on two fronts, and if Turkey entered the war in 1941, the results could differ dramatically ...
                2. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 17 July 2018 13: 16
                  +11
                  And in 1812, Napoleon took Moscow, so Kutuzov is a scoundrel? Each of the wars has its own characteristics. There was no surprise attack in the PMI for RI, the main enemy forces were not concentrated on the Eastern Front, the depth of operations due to insufficient motorization was not great. Bottom line: the defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia. In the Second World War, the surprise of the attack, the main forces of the enemy Europe are concentrated on the Eastern Front, the depth of operations of motorized formations is high. Bottom line: The Great Victory of the USSR. Look at the end result. There is Narvskaya street in Sweden, but you won’t find Poltava.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 17 July 2018 14: 23
                    +6
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    There was no surprise attack in the PMI for RI; the main enemy forces were not concentrated on the Eastern Front


                    Thank you for the then leadership of Russia.

                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Bottom line: the defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia.


                    RI did not sign the Brest Peace, you do not know the story well.

                    Quote: zoolu350
                    In the Second World War, the surprise of the attack, the main forces of the enemy Europe are concentrated on the Eastern Front


                    But for this many "thanks" to the then leadership of the USSR ...

                    Quote: zoolu350
                    Bottom line: The Great Victory of the USSR.


                    No need to cheat. The result in the first and second cases is the same - the victory of the anti-German coalition. In the first case, the councils themselves did not want to win, because she prevented them from retaining power.
            2. Bar1
              Bar1 17 July 2018 10: 33
              +19
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Well, yes, he ruled the country so ineptly that during his reign the population grew from 126 million to 170, railways were actively laid in the country, during the war years industry grew by 7% per year, and the enemy was not allowed to go further than Poland. Don't talk nonsense. Nicholas II was overthrown because he prevented parts of the elite from gaining power in the British or Turkish fashion.



              some kind of fox Nikolai himself denied it and no one overthrew him. He had enough loyal troops at hand, the same Cossacks were all for the king. Do not talk nonsense.

              The fact that the population has grown, Nicholas has nothing to do with it, what is his contribution to this process? The fact that RI took the last place in terms of provision of the population with medicine (doctors)?
              Do you know that RI occupied the first place in the number of civilized countries in child mortality?

              As for the industry, dear. As much as you can about the same thing. RI was an underdeveloped state in which there were absolutely no some branches of production necessary at that time, there were almost no power plants and electric industries i.e. production of cables, wires, transformers, power machines. Lenin, for example, immediately after the war adopted the GOELRO plan because industry lay on its side after the rule of the kings.
              The steepest indicators of industrial growth in the Republic of Ingushetia are because when there is nothing, and then ONE plant is built, you get a 100% increase in production (you can clap your hands for fools).
              Public education was in the pen. The number of necessary specialists for the development of industry was disastrously small and the tsarist government did not solve this problem. Literacy was generally at the bottom.

              In short, you know all this and still stubbornly oppress your lying line.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 11: 43
                +3
                Quote: Bar1
                . He had enough loyal troops at hand, the same Cossacks were all for the king. Do not talk nonsense.

                The troops were. There was no connection with them. Plus, panicky telegrams were laid on his desk, the essence of which was that the rear would collapse without renunciation. Like, only a change of monarch will reassure protesters throughout the country.
                Quote: Bar1
                what the population has grown about, Nicholas has nothing to do with it, what is his contribution to this process? The fact that RI took the last place in terms of provision of the population with medicine (doctors)?
                Do you know that RI occupied the first place in the number of civilized countries in child mortality?

                Your data is false.
                In the described period, the total number of medical students was about 8600 people. Every year, nearly 1000 received a diploma. As a result of the efforts of universities, their numbers were steadily growing. If in 1889 there were approximately 13 thousand doctors in Russia, then in 1910 - 24,8, and in 1915 - more than 33 thousand. According to this "gross" indicator, Russia took the third place in the world (after Japan and Germany). Moreover, the dynamics are interesting: one doctor in 3 accounted for 1911 people, and in 6360 - already in 1914. In rural areas in 5140, a doctor served an average of 1914 thousand people, in the city - 20 thousand Here we are talking specifically about doctors - that is, persons with higher medical education. But there were also paramedics - people with secondary medical education. They had to perform the functions of medical assistants and work under their supervision, however, to compensate for the lack of these, they often acted independently (mainly in villages). Understanding this, the authorities took care of raising their qualifications: in 1,8, the “New Normal Charter of Zemstvo Paramedic Schools” was published, according to which the share of general subjects in teaching programs decreased in favor of special disciplines (gynecology, sanitation, children’s, eye, ear diseases, even psychiatry). As of 1897, in Russia there were 1910 thousand paramedics [36].
                https://afanarizm.livejournal.com/356886.html
                Here is a list of sources: https://afanarizm.livejournal.com/357515.html
                Please note, Mr. Afanarism does not take these data from the ceiling, but based on numerous studies, both modern and Soviet, domestic and foreign.
                Quote: Bar1
                And it was an underdeveloped state in which there were absolutely no some branches of production necessary at that time, there were almost no power plants and electric industries i.e. production of cables, wires, transformers, power machines.

                And again, your untruth.
                In general, over the years of the prewar industrial boom, the increase in foreign investment in the energy sector amounted to 63%, while Russian - 176%. Energy in the country has developed at a pace that is constantly ahead of the growth of the economy as a whole - 20-25% per year.
                Before the war, a power station with a capacity of 9 megawatts was built in Bogorodsk, near Moscow (now Noginsk). At that time, it was the largest in Russia, and in the world there were no more than 15 such "giants" (almost all in the USA, as the United States was then called). For the first time, she transmitted current over wires over a long distance - up to 100 km. It was supposed to build several such power plants capable of supplying energy to Moscow, and in the long run the entire Central region.
                *****
                Russian inventors were thinking about developing vast hydropower resources. The first hydroelectric power station (then called the "water power plant") with a capacity of 700 kilowatts was built on the Caucasian river Podkumok near the city of Essentuki in 1903. The second was built by monks on the Solovetsky Islands. In 1910, under an agreement with the American concern Westinghouse, the construction of the Volkhov hydroelectric station began, with a capacity of already 20 megawatts. It was promised to be built by the same Siemens and the American company Westinghouse. And in 1912, many companies and banks joined in a consortium to build a hydroelectric power station on the Dnieper rapids - the future of the Dnieper.
                *****
                Domestic science was based on the development of Russian entrepreneurship. Gradually, Russian businessmen pressed foreigners, especially after the outbreak of World War I, when the Germans left the Russian market. The most vigorous activity was developed by the Baku oil industrialist Abram Gukasov, who became the leading producer of electric cable and the head of Ruskabel JSC. With his money in Moscow, a large Dynamo plant was built, which produced electric motors and generators using Western technologies, but from local parts. At the same time, the Svetlana factory opened - the country's first manufacturer of electric lamps according to Edison's patents.
                https://harmfulgrumpy.livejournal.com/543193.html
                And the GOELRO plan was based on pre-war tsarist developments.
                In December 1917, Krzyzhanowski received a reception from the leader for two prominent members of the Lighting Society, Radchenko and Winter. They told the head of the new government about the already existing plans for the electrification of the country and, most importantly, about their harmony with plans close to the Bolsheviks for centralizing the national economy. But then the Civil War began, after which in 1920 the country produced only 400 million kilowatt-hours of electricity - five times less than in the notorious 1913.
                The source is the same.
                Quote: Bar1
                Public education was in the pen. The number of necessary specialists for the development of industry was disastrously small and the tsarist government did not solve this problem. Literacy was generally at the bottom.

                Set of propaganda stamps. I recommend you a monograph Dm. Saprykina "Educational potential of the Russian Empire", the real state of affairs in the field of education in RI is well disclosed there.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 17 July 2018 13: 23
                  +8
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  The troops were. There was no connection with them. Plus, panicky telegrams were laid on his desk, the essence of which was that the rear would collapse without renunciation. Like, only a change of monarch will reassure protesters throughout the country.


                  There was no connection, but there were telegrams? You contradict yourself. He had everything, there was no desire to save the country, because Nikolashka was a German / Jew. About panic, "why is he so shy, was the telegram scared?



                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Please note, Mr. Afanarism does not take these data from the ceiling, but based on numerous studies, both modern and Soviet, domestic and foreign.


                  Of course we will consider, we will consider everything. Everything is cognized in comparison. Here are such data.
                  This is how they treated in RI.


                  and why? Duc probably because there was not enough medical staff and drugs. And it is true.

                  The actual unavailability of medical care for the vast majority of the peasant population of pre-revolutionary Russia is evidenced by the cited data on the remoteness of the grouping of individual provinces and regions in 1913 according to the average radius of a rural medical site. So, on average, 20,3 thousand people (!) Accounted for one doctor in rural areas
                  (Report on the state of public health and the organization of medical care in Russia for 1913, Pg., 1915, pp. 58-59)


                  in absolute terms, the number of medical staff certainly grew, but it was absolutely insufficient for a change in the mortality / birth rate situation.

                  here the data on child mortality in comparison with other countries of the Republic of Ingushetia is not close to developed countries in these indicators.

                  In 1905, out of 1000 births, up to 1 year died:

                  In Mexico - 308 children .;
                  In Russia - 272 children;
                  In Hungary - 230 children .;
                  In Austria - 215 children;
                  In Germany - 185 children;
                  In Italy - 166 children .;
                  In Japan - 152 children;
                  In France - 143 children;
                  In England - 133 children;
                  In the Netherlands - 131 children;
                  In Scotland - 116 children .;
                  In the United States of America - 97 children .;
                  In Sweden, 84 children;
                  In Australia, 82 children;
                  In Uruguay - 89 children .;
                  There are 68 children in New Zealand. ”

                  https://scisne.net/a-281
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 July 2018 08: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: Bar1
                    In 1905, out of 1000 births, up to 1 year died:

                    In Russia - 272 children ;;
                    In France - 143 children;

                    Yes Yes...

                    And already in 1913 g:
                    In Russia-230 r
                    In France -130 r
                    those. already better and mortality is not twice as high (1905) than in France, but in 1,76 times- there is already a much smaller gap with France
                    .
                    But what about the "kingdom of freedom" and the "victorious" medicine of the USSR?
                    We look 1933 g
                    USSR -300 reb
                    France 60 reb
                    Difference in FIVE TIMES! am

                    We look blessed blooming 1975 year:
                    USSR-25 reb
                    France -5 reb.
                    The difference is the same FIVE TIMES!

                    Those. in Russia, the difference with the leading countries was 1,76 times (reduced), and in the USSR the difference with the leading countries increased to FIVE time!

                    "Achievements" yes. fool

                    :
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 18 July 2018 08: 35
                      +1
                      are you again without links?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 18 July 2018 11: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: Bar1
                        are you again without links?

                        What does it mean again?
                        The numbers are pretty famous.
                        Do not know, please: http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2003/0125/analit02
                        . Php
                2. Bar1
                  Bar1 17 July 2018 13: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  The most vigorous activity was developed by the Baku oil industrialist Abram Gukasov, who became the leading producer of electric cable and the head of Ruskabel JSC. With his money in Moscow, a large Dynamo plant was built, which produced electric motors and generators using Western technologies, but from local parts. At the same time, the Svetlana factory opened - the country's first manufacturer of electric lamps according to Edison's patents.
                  https://harmfulgrumpy.livejournal.com/543193.html
                  And the GOELRO plan was based on pre-war tsarist developments.


                  Well, that Dynamo or Svetlana could provide the country with everything necessary? Of course not. Therefore, for starters, these are the figures for providing the country with electricity in comparison with developed countries.

                  The fact that “By the beginning of the First World War of 1914 ... 100% of the electrical industry was in the hands of foreign capital”, it would not give a damn, but “Electricity production per year per capita was: in the USA - 185 kW · H; in Germany - 100 kWh; in Russia - 4 kWh. ” [2]
                  Pretty revealing.


                  it's LJ, but there are also links to normal sources there.
                  https://arctus.livejournal.com/562331.html

                  but for bread, besides yield and collection were low, so the tsarist government also exported bread for sale, thereby condemning the people to hunger.

                  in Russia - 30,3 pounds
                  in the USA - 64,3 pounds,
                  in Argentina - 87,4 pounds,
                  in Canada - 121 poods.

                  http://warrax.net/2016/05/rus_imp_economic.html

                  cast iron / steel is the BASIC industry indicators



                  you are completely unaware of any issues of economics, demography, medicine, and history itself. Because there are so many facts about the Internet about the true state of affairs in the same Republic of Ingushetia before the revolution, so any of your conjectures can be checked.
                  When you, somewhere, saw that in the Republic of Ingushetia there was an increase in indicators by the age of the population, an increase in agricultural or industrial indicators, then at least look at how it all looked against the backdrop of the whole world. And the place of tsarist Russia in the world was not enviable, at the very end of the developed countries, at the level of the countries of the second and third world. And these are precisely the results of the tsarist policy that led to revolutions and wars.
                  True, I believe that the tsar and his family were not killed in Yekaterinburg, and he, who planned all these revolutions most likely, of course, managed to get his bearings far from the revolution.
                3. Yuri Litvinenko
                  Yuri Litvinenko 17 July 2018 14: 33
                  +3
                  Yes, it is true that there were enough abundance of doctors in the Republic of Ingushetia, as I had read a report to the 1906 government on child mortality, and I did not believe in Omsk, for example, up to 60 children per 100 births and under 5 years old, and something like this throughout Russia. And only then I guessed why immediately after the civilian, for example, based on the vet. institutes began to organize honey. institutions.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 18 July 2018 08: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
                    906 years on child mortality, nor believed in Omsk for example up to 60 children per 100

                    You look at child mortality statistics in 1933 g-Do not believe it: HOW could this be in the middle of the 20th century ?! belay
                4. naidas
                  naidas 17 July 2018 21: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  And the GOELRO plan was based on pre-war royal developments

                  Add: Putin's Crimean also relied on pre-war tsarist developments.
                5. naidas
                  naidas 17 July 2018 23: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  The troops were. There was no connection with them.

                  On February 26, troops received orders to shoot demonstrators. Khabalov brought to the streets the most faithful, as he believed, units - training teams. By evening, the city center with the help of machine guns was "cleared" of the protesters. The largest execution took place on Znamenskaya Square, where the training team of the Volyn Regiment, led by Captain Lashkevich, operated; over forty people were killed here. However, eyewitnesses to the shootings immediately rushed to the barracks of spare parts, begging the storekeepers to stop their comrades from the training teams, and on the evening of the day of the execution the first soldier riot took place. The fourth company of the Pavlovsky regiment, consisting of front-line soldiers (1500 soldiers), moved to the city, but the rebel company had only 30 rifles, and having shot all the cartridges, she was forced to lay down her arms and return to the barracks. “It might seem that tsarism won the stake again and the movement would be crushed,” wrote N. N. Sukhanov.
                  But then the unexpected happened - and at the same time long-awaited, something that Durnovo warned about, and something that had been repeated more than once during the suppression of hunger riots: the troops went over to the side of the people. In the morning of February 27, there were 10 thousand rebel soldiers, in the afternoon - 26 thousand, in the evening - 66 thousand, the next day - 127 thousand, March 1 - 170 thousand, i.e. the entire garrison of Petrograd. On the afternoon of February 27, Khabalov sent a detachment (as much as he could assemble - only about a thousand soldiers) against the "rebels", but after minor clashes the soldiers switched to the side of the rebels. The impression of the fierce riot of a huge mass of soldiers was such that the surviving officers fled in terror and hid . “The development of rebellion suggests that nothing could be done to stop it,” says R. Pipes. However, many police outfits, using machine guns located on the roofs of buildings, fought to the last bullet. Chairman of the Duma Rodzianko told a week later that the rebel soldiers were, in fact, "of course not soldiers, but simply peasants taken from the plow, who found it useful to state all their peasant demands now. The only thing that was audible in the crowd was “land and will,” “down with the Romanovs,” “down with the officers ...” When two weeks later the first parade of the revolutionary Petrograd garrison took place, M. Paleolog carefully read the slogans that the soldiers carried on their banners - on almost all banners were inscriptions: “Earth and freedom!”, “Earth to the people!” it was, in fact, not a soldier's revolt, but a peasant uprising.

                  Just as the general strike of October 1905 provoked a peasant war, so the hunger riot in February 1917 provoked a peasant uprising. And since this time the peasants had weapons in their hands, and also were in the capital, everything was decided in one day. With this alignment of forces, the outcome of events was predetermined. Both the military position and the abdication of Nicholas II were direct consequences of the uprising of the 170th garrison of Petrograd. The unanimous decision of the front commanders proves that no other development was possible. The threat of collapse was obvious, hundreds of agitators were already heading from Petrograd to the front, and the generals felt like they were sitting on a powder keg. The uprising in the navy has already begun: on March 1, in Kronstadt, rebel sailors killed Admiral Viren and more than 50 officers; On March 4, Admiral Nepenin died in Sveaborg. On March 2, at the Pskov station, the train of the 1st railway battalion rebelled; the rebellious soldiers moved towards the royal train, and they were stopped only by the news that negotiations were underway on the abdication.
                  As for the position of the Duma, VV Shulgin best describes it: “By the evening, it seems, it became known that the old government was gone ... It simply scattered around the apartments ... There were no troops ... That is, the entire garrison switched to side - the "rebellious people" ... But at the same time the troops seemed to stand - "for the State Duma" ... the confusion began here ... It turned out that the State Duma - "rebelled" and that it was the "center of the movement" ... It was incredible ... The State Duma did not rebel ... - "I do not want to rebel," Rodzianko said. “I am not a rebel; I have not made any revolution and do not want to do it.” If it happened, it was precisely because they did not obey us ... "" There may be two ways out, "Shulgin answered," everything will work out - the sovereign will appoint a new government, we will hand over power to him ... But it will not work out, so if we don’t pick up the power, then they will pick up others, those who have already chosen some bastards in the factories ... "
                6. Looking for
                  Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 45
                  -1
                  Just do not need to offer the writings of ova grant-eaters.
            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 July 2018 10: 39
              +6
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Well, yes, so ineptly ruled the country that during his reign, the population grew from 126 million to 170

              Not quite so: for 22 years of reign from 120 million population has grown to 180 млн-on the 50%!!
              Under the next government, over the same 22 years, the population grew already .... by 17% ! There was already a catastrophe that led to the DEPOPULATION of the Russian people by 1964
            4. IImonolitII
              IImonolitII 18 July 2018 13: 41
              +3
              Here's another point of view - two lost wars, two revolutions, failed social services. Reforms, mass deaths on coronation day. Indeed, the best king in the world. The bourgeois revolution was inevitable - it is only a pity that it took place so late.
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 07: 37
            +8
            Quote: zoolu350
            Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive

            By the way, only under Kolchak did the actual investigation begin (investigator Sokolov), and before Kolchak - the entire investigation into the death of the Tsar’s Family, investigator Nametkin, was rather strange, to say the least - all traces were swept over, and this same "whites".
            Quote: zoolu350
            Well do not tell. Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive one of the children of Nikolai No. 2 and use them for their own purposes

            No one needed the Tsar and the Family, neither Kolchak, nor the Entente, nor for what purposes did they plan to use them.
            Quote: zoolu350
            But the local Bolsheviks acted politically expediently, eliminating the source of possible problems for Soviet Russia.

            Here, I do not agree with you, there were no problems, the Tsar, and he could not be delivered - everyone betrayed him. After the death of the Tsar’s Family, a series of falsifications began regarding their death - and the story of the local Bolsheviks who decided to kill the Tsar, one of them The comrades from the Ural Sovdep and the small educational institution couldn’t make such a decision on their own, it was not their level. Other people gave orders and commanded, this was confirmed and documented, when the Reds fled from Yekaterinburg, they threw important evidence, telegraphic correspondence of local Ural comrades with Sverdlov, this correspondence was deciphered by Sokolov.
            Quote: zoolu350
            Well do not tell. Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive one of the children of Nicholas No. 2 and use them for their own purposes, since the abdication in 1917. It was very "muddy" and it was only because Nikolai No. 2, with his mediocre rule, got everyone. But the local Bolsheviks acted politically expediently, eliminating the source of possible problems for Soviet Russia. Lenin, of course, wanted to squeeze out more political dividends from the former imperial family (public court and execution), but in those conditions, the main thing was not to give the trump card to the owners of the Fed in the person of Kolchak and the Entente.

            And here we can agree, with some reservations.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 17 July 2018 08: 03
              +14
              In the conditions of war in 1918. each village had its own chieftain, so the Ural Council's opinion of Moscow was relative to the drum. The Bolsheviks proceeded from the worst-case scenario, with the capture of the family of Nicholas No. 2 by the bulk crusts, so the decision to liquidate is politically expedient.
              Strangely, disputing individual proposals of my post, you generally agree with him. Do you have a split mind? Look, the bulkochruzm of the brain does not bring to good (the classic specimens are Olgovich and Teterin).
              Nicholas No. 2 received in full for the fact that his mediocre government plunged the country into bloody mess. I hope that I will live to see the moment when individuals of the Russian oligarchy will be responsible for what they have done to my Motherland, and the people of Russia in this case will show much less humanism than in 1918.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 17 July 2018 08: 28
                +6
                Quote: zoolu350
                Strangely, disputing individual proposals of my post, you generally agree with him.

                Where you found agreement is a mystery to me.
                Quote: zoolu350
                Nicholas No. 2 received in full

                The people received in full - bloody porridge, not the Tsar
                Quote: zoolu350
                The Bolsheviks proceeded from the worst-case scenario, with the capture of the family of Nicholas No. 2 by the bulk crusts, so the decision to liquidate is politically expedient.

                Again, repeat the fakes, and the Tsar did not need any bun crunch, the burg crunch shouted - Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood, think only the proletarians shouted - Down with the king!Bulk-crunches together howled, everyone had a kind, the split of consciousness that you mentioned, that you correctly noted.
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 22
                0
                Quote: zoolu350
                Nicholas No. 2 received in full for the fact that his mediocre government plunged the country into bloody mess. I hope that I will live to see the moment when individuals of the Russian oligarchy will be responsible for what they have done to my Motherland, and the people of Russia in this case will show much less humanism than in 1918.

                I hope I will live to see the moment when all the under-cut Communists (including those who formed the basis of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) will be responsible for what they have done to my Motherland
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 17 July 2018 20: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Nicholas No. 2 received in full for the fact that his mediocre government plunged the country into bloody mess. I hope that I will live to see the moment when individuals of the Russian oligarchy will be responsible for what they have done to my Motherland, and the people of Russia in this case will show much less humanism than in 1918.

                  I hope I will live to see the moment when all the under-cut Communists (including those who formed the basis of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) will be responsible for what they have done to my Motherland

                  Bad person.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 18 July 2018 15: 14
                    -1
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Bad person.

                    From the henchman of the oligarchs am I hear!
                2. naidas
                  naidas 17 July 2018 21: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Weyland
                  when all the undercut communists

                  When the oligarchs, following the example of Germany at the end of the 20s, will create assault squads, enter and you yourself can, as in Germany, call the undercut Communists to account.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 02
                    0
                    Quote: naidas
                    When the oligarchs, following the example of Germany at the end of the 20s, will create assault squads

                    What are the oligarchs - the former the communists. like Chubais or the late Berezovsky - or current the communists. how is grudinin? laughing
                    Already with the oligarchs am I’m definitely not on the road ... It’s a pity to cut the Communists a bit, but it’s necessary: ​​if they had brainwashed from Leninist anti-clerical and anti-monarchist ideas, good imperials could have come out of them! It’s a pity we didn’t have our Fidel Castro hi .
              3. Alber
                Alber 17 July 2018 15: 56
                0
                Quote: zoolu350
                each village had its own chieftain, so the Ural Council's opinion of Moscow was relative to the drum. The Bolsheviks proceeded from the worst-case scenario, with the capture of the family of Nicholas No. 2, p

                Most likely not the chieftain, but the rabbi ...
            2. avt
              avt 17 July 2018 12: 23
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              telegraphic correspondence of local Ural comrades with Sverdlov, this correspondence was deciphered by Sokolov.

              bully And why should it be “decrypted” then? Or rather, what kind of .... did you have to acquire it during? By Nikolashka everything is stopudovo in the archive of the Administrative Department of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. Another question is when will this archive be opened? Well, 99 % sure-will open ... never. bully
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 17 July 2018 12: 27
                +3
                One can agree on something, one investigator Sokolov needed it, a few helped him, by the way, and Sokolov died in exile - a strange and sudden death.
          3. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 07: 43
            +4
            Quote: zoolu350
            Lenin, of course, wanted to squeeze out more political dividends from the former royal family (public court and execution)

            I agree with this, the result is an overlay.
          4. Weyland
            Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: zoolu350
            Kolchak and the Entente would be very happy to receive one of the children of Nikolai No. 2 and use them for their own purposes

            In what? Kolchak was never a monarchist, and in general the whites fought for the “constituent assembly” (ie, “postpone the decision on the regime of government until victory”) precisely because there was no unity of opinion!
            and the Entente, as far as they were needed ... these mr. azi are guilty of the death of the Tsar's Family in the first place - and insolently, and I'll lie down. refused to accept themwhen the Provisional Government offered them this!
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 52
              -1
              Kolchak was not a monarchist? Yes you are out of your mind!
          5. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 July 2018 08: 44
            +3
            Quote: zoolu350
            Enin, of course, wanted to squeeze out more political dividends from the former royal family (public court and execution),

            Nonsense: The Romanovs were executed EVERYWHERE, not only in Yekaterinburg: in Perm, Alapaevsk and PETERSBURG. And HIDED a massacre of people.
            And everywhere, in your opinion, the central "nothing to do with" fool belay
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 July 2018 13: 16
          +4
          Quote: bober1982
          Isaiah Idelevich Rodzinsky

          Quote: bober1982
          Peter Lazarevich

          Faces of the Russian revolution
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 13: 18
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Faces of the Russian revolution

            ........ and the notorious name of the Moscow metro station.
            1. Alber
              Alber 17 July 2018 15: 57
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Faces of the Russian revolution

              ........ and the notorious name of the Moscow metro station.

              In whose honor the metro station Voikovskaya is named. Other...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 July 2018 16: 02
                +1
                Quote: Alber
                In whose honor the metro station Voikovskaya is named. Other...

                I myself live on Oktyabrsky, near Lenin Square, the Red Navy, the Young Guard and a bunch in that spirit. It doesn’t bother me, it blows off the Bolsheviks when the Tsars busts are installed
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 17 July 2018 08: 03
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        I think that the Bolsheviks simply did not know what to do with it, many tried to release Nikolai, so they resolved the question radically: there is no person, there is no problem, and at the same time they removed the witnesses.

        The author, on the contrary, claims that the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with the murder of Nikolai and his family, No. they say it's all slander. Why did he get this? request

        (from text) ... once again denigrate, cover up with blood the party of the Bolsheviks, and therefore the idea of ​​Russian communism. Like, these are the monsters and bloody Bolshevik executioners, made a terrible reprisal against a defenseless family.
      4. avt
        avt 17 July 2018 12: 15
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I think the Bolsheviks simply did not know what to do with it,

        That's just what the Bolsheviks KNEW, and DONE, why some of the top leaders said = ,, Nobody will ever know what we did with him. "
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Nicholas tried to release many

        bully
        Read the entire list
        bully And
        The meat processing plant has not sent out orders for today
        And no liquor offering. He and his family were no longer needed by anyone, from the word in general. Yes, and at the end of the last century, all this turbidity named after Radzinsky, a major of the KGB Aldonin, became necessary exclusively for the division of the foreign property of the Romanov’s house, which only the direct heir of Nikolashka the Bloody can dispose of. So this dog’s wedding with the remains was started. the head of the property manager. The Russian Orthodox Church, well, the very Stalinist in the person of the hierarchs didn’t recognize all this comedy, when even the EBN didn’t want to go - through the voice acting of Likhachev - they didn’t understand us, but WHO did not understand WHAT as a result, he won’t give up; the question is open. bully Apparently, they didn’t give it all away, because with what fright Cyril made a rally in Yekaterinburg again, with an attempt to push through the confession.
      5. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 17 July 2018 13: 07
        +1
        Events with the Imperial rule of Russia are not quite correctly presented. Nicholas -2, under the pressure of those around (G. Dumtsy, the surrounding staff generals, Alekseev and others) forced the Emperor to abdicate. Renouncing, Emperor Nicholas -2 handed over control of the Empire to his brother Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov. Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov DOES NOT REDUCE the throne, only postponed the adoption, until the decision of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks dispersed the Constituent Assembly, which did not have time to resolve with the Emperor Mikhail Alexandrovich Romnov, - (Mikhail-2). De facto and rightfully the last Emperor of Russia is considered to be Mikhail Adeksandrovich Romanov, under the name Michael-2. Understanding further possible events (Mikhail -2 showed himself to be a competent and brilliant officer at the front, had well-deserved authority of those around him, and as an emperor he would have surpassed Nicholas-2 by head), because the Bolsheviks were one of the first Romanovs to shoot Mikhail-2 in Perm on June 13 1918. After the execution, the Bolsheviks started a rumor that Mikhail Alexandrovich had escaped .. (the fact of the execution and the place was completely established). Regarding the involvement in the shooting of the imperial family in Yekaterinburg, before they started trial rumors (with a printed article in the newspaper) about the execution of the emperor, waiting for the reaction of the people, but time was vague and hungry, and there was no great unrest, which gave the Bolsheviks courage in the secret murder . The appointed Yankel Yurovsky (who personally killed the Emperor) was in charge of the execution, the team was composed by similar ones - the Hungarian prisoner of war Jew Imre Nagy and the like, who later became “Latvians” in subsequent publications. Quote: “In 1956, documents and testimonies of a certain I.P. Meyer, a former Austrian prisoner of war, a member of the Ural Regional Council [1918] [37], which claimed that seven former Hungarian prisoners of war, including the man whom some authors identified as Imre Nadia, "After the execution, the head Yankel Yurovsky immediately went to Moscow with a report (there are rumors that he carried the alcoholic head of the emperor as evidence ...) Local Bolsheviks executed the execution , by order of the leadership of the Bolsheviks (Sverdlov, etc.) ...
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 57
          -2
          The Bolsheviks acted ABSOLUTELY RIGHT-knocked out trump cards in the person of members of the imperial family from the hands of the White Guard. and Entente countries.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 17 July 2018 06: 00
      +12
      Quote: Kotischa
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.

      It’s hard to imagine more stupid than this phrase.
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 07: 44
      +7
      Quote: Kotischa
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.

      Rave. Nicholas II had the right to abdicate according to the articles of the Basic Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia. Another thing is that his abdication was not entirely voluntary, the conspirators created such an informational picture from him that gave the impression of the inevitability of the abdication.
      Quote: Kotischa
      It is a pity for family and servants, but wood chips are flying!

      And if God forbid, your loved ones would die or suffer at the hands of political extremists like the Bolsheviks, would you also utter these monstrous words?
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 17 July 2018 08: 00
        +10
        Dear Lieutenant !!! And you are not embarrassed that Sokolov deciphered this "correspondence" already in exile in France ?! And by the way, no one except him saw this correspondence anymore.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 08: 56
          +3
          Dear Nehist, You, obviously, have mixed up me with someone. I did not mention any correspondence in my comments, therefore I can not answer your question.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 17 July 2018 09: 31
            +4
            Dear Lieutenant! Please forgive me for my carelessness. If something is for bober1982
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 10: 20
              +2
              Dear Nehist, it's okay. smile In a big discussion, it's easy to make a mistake. But I am grateful for your comment - I did not know anything about this correspondence before, so now I can study this issue in more detail.
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 17 July 2018 10: 47
              +2
              The cipher was complex, it was not easy to disclose it, there was such a cryptographer in emigration, and why no one except Sokolov saw this correspondence - it’s not entirely clear, quite accessible, there are no secrets and secrets, all mail was littered with telegraph tapes after the red flee.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 58
        -1
        Long live the great party of the Bolsheviks.
    4. Boris55
      Boris55 17 July 2018 07: 55
      +6
      Quote: Kotischa
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.

      "The provision obliges. If the provision does not oblige, then it kills, first morally, and then physically." This quote must be remembered by all officials.
      Yes and did not kill the king, but just a citizen of the former empire, who, including due to his inaction, died in those days, not a few.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 17 July 2018 18: 51
        0
        Interesting video in the topic:
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2018 08: 23
      +9
      Quote: Kotischa
      Nicholas II was punished by God for abdication as the anointed of God.

      А Shaya Isakovich Goloshekin и Yankel Khaimovich Yurovsky - God's hands, yes .... belay
      Kara? The sovereign died easily and quickly, in contrast to the participants in the murder: Ilic, Yuovsky, Beloborodov, Goloshchekin (to all else ... Yezhov’s intimate partner). Take an interest in them fate and fate their families, including the numerous, but completely barren ,, family of the Ulyanovs, who disappeared from the face of the earth (Dmitry is under a big question). Kara, yes .....

      In the conclusion:

      - under the Sovereign, the Russian people grew as never before, and lived in Russian state of the people of Russia. What began in 1917 and what ended in 1991, remember .....
      - The standards of life in 1913 (food, clothing, housing of citizens), after numerous casualties and struggles, reached only in 40 years.
      - The standards of human freedom, society, speech, the press, independence and justice of the court, humanity of punishment -reached NEVER, and even vice versa, returned to the gloomy Middle Ages.

      However, today, on the day of the centenary of the tragedy, this is not the main thing ......
      Just remember the beautiful Russian family, one of the millions burnt in the flames of the Time of Troubles, which is so lacking today ...

      . The kingdom of heaven and eternal memory for the sufferers of Tsar Nicholas, Tsarina Alexandra, Tsarevich Alexy, the Grand Dukes Olga, Tatiana, Mary and Anastasia...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 17 July 2018 08: 50
        +11
        Quote: Olgovich
        Sovereign died quickly and easily

        After renunciation, he was no longer a king.
        Thanks to him personally, and to the entire Romanov family, a civil war was unleashed in Russia. Russia needed reforms, but these, to put it mildly, inadequate, snickering rulers did not want to deal with them and brought the country to an explosion ...
        I blame Nikolashka in all deaths of ordinary people - old women and children who followed after his abdication, including and genocide against the Russian people and the civil war. All this happened due to the stupidity of the Romanov dynasty.

        Similarly, thanks to the stupidity of Yanukovych, now there is a civil war in Ukraine ...
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 07
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Thanks to him personally, and to the entire Romanov family, a civil war was unleashed in Russia. Russia needed reforms

          Rave, dear. The Bolsheviks unleashed a civil war, and the reform and development of the country went without any revolution-coups.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 July 2018 09: 09
            +9
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            The Bolsheviks unleashed a civil war,

            Not. The start of these processes was given by Nikolashka, who did not want to fully fulfill his duty and restore order in his retinue, and then in the country as a whole. After his abdication, fermentation among the people began, which led to the tragedy of Russia at the beginning of the last century. The death of the former royal family was also needed in order to break the “brake of blanchosti” in the minds of the Russian peasant.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 16
              +4
              You know, you have a logic, like a street gangster, when he makes excuses to the policeman: "Well, a citizen is a boss, I’m not guilty, but why did he go all shaved by me and walked in a good suit!"
              Nicholas II, for your information, has taken measures to restore order. He drove out oppositional grand dukes from the capital, put the sane person at the head of the Gendarmerie Corps, ordered the suppression of the riots, sent troops to eliminate them, and went to investigate what was happening. And it was not his fault that he could not foresee the betrayal of Adjutant General Ruzsky, a man obliged to the Emperor by his position in society. Accusing Nicholas II of this is like accusing Caesar of betraying Brutus.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 17 July 2018 09: 25
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                You know, you have a logic, like a street gangster, when he makes excuses to the policeman: "Well, a citizen is a boss, I’m not guilty, but why did he go all shaved by me and walked in a good suit!"

                The fact that the government is organized in such a way that there are law-abiding citizens and bandits is also to blame for the government itself - originally built on the illegal creation of initial capital. It was the authorities who first showed an example of lawlessness to the rest.
                ps I will appear on the forum in the afternoon. Affairs hi
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  If law-abiding citizens and bandits are to blame, the government itself is also to blame - originally built on the illegal creation of initial capital.

                  Sorry, but here you are mistaken. The presence of crime does not in the least depend on the economic system.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 17 July 2018 11: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    The presence of crime does not in the least depend on the economic system.

                    Tell me, what about crime in Ukraine? When was there more: now or under Janek? laughing
          2. Nehist
            Nehist 17 July 2018 09: 34
            +7
            Dear Lieutenant! Boris55 is right in this case! It was the indecision of Nicholas II, or rather his half-hearted decisions that led to the logical ending, that is, the collapse of RI
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 29
            +2
            And I, dear, I affirm that the former ruling classes unleashed the Civil War in Russia.
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 18 July 2018 13: 13
              +2
              Well, there is some truth in this: Lenin was a hereditary nobleman, the grandson of a feudal landowner, Bronstein was from a wealthy family of landowners capitalists
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 18 July 2018 13: 54
                +2
                Quote: Gopnik
                Well, there is some truth in this: Lenin was a hereditary nobleman,

                40% of the composition First Council Nar.Komissarov-noblemen! Plus Trotsky plus the children of major officials ...
                Working 1 (one)! man-Hatter (and that was finished off in 1938 yes )
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 26
                  -1
                  The first composition of the Council of People's Commissars included:

                  Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin);
                  People's Commissar for Internal Affairs Alexei Rykov;
                  People's Commissar of Agriculture Vladimir Milyutin;
                  people's commissar Alexander Shlyapnikov;
                  People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - a committee composed of: Vladimir Ovseenko (Antonov), Nikolai Krylenko and Pavel Dybenko;
                  Commissar for Trade and Industry Viktor Nogin;
                  People's Commissar of Education Anatoly Lunacharsky;
                  People's Commissar of Finance Ivan Skvortsov (Stepanov);
                  People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Lev Bronstein (Trotsky);
                  People's Commissar of Justice Georgy Oppokov (Lomov);
                  Commissar for Food Ivan Theodorovich;
                  People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs Nikolai Avilov (Glebov);
                  People's Commissar for Nationalities Joseph Dzhugashvili (Stalin);
                  the post of People’s Commissar for Railroad Affairs was temporarily not replaced.
              2. Looking for
                Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 19
                -1
                LIE !!!! Or you quote Wikipedia about the Ulyanovs family.
              3. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 3 September 2018 12: 00
                -2
                I. Ulyanov (father) received the nobility from a rather high post of inspector of schools of the province, which gave the right to the nobility, a position that was received due to the influence of relatives of M. Blanck and herself. There can be no talk of any hereditary nobility (like the case of F. Dzerzhinsky) - the lies of propaganda of the Bolsheviks. That’s abroad V.I. Ulyanov and his wife lived at the expense of the mother’s high widow's pension ...
          4. Looking for
            Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 12
            0
            Civil war is ALWAYS !!!! unleashed by those who lost !!!. In the event of a civil war in Russia, representatives of the ruling classes .REMOVED from government. As a result of the revolution.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 July 2018 10: 59
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Thanks to him personally, and to the entire Romanov family, a civil war was unleashed in Russia. Russia needed reforms, but these, to put it mildly, inadequate, snickering rulers did not want to deal with them and brought the country to an explosion ...

          1.Thanks to him personally and to the entire Romanov family, you still live in the largest country in the world. Even after the new rulers spanned the Russian lands of New Russia, Slobozhanshchina, etc.
          .
          Quote: Boris55
          I blame Nikolashka for all the deaths of ordinary people - old women and children who followed after his abdication, including and genocide against the Russian people and the civil war. All this happened due to the stupidity of the Romanov dynasty.

          Under the sovereign, Russia grew by 50% of the population! With the following rulers, she came to EXTINCTION.
          That's the whole story.
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          I blame Nikolashka for all the deaths of ordinary people - old women and children who followed after his abdication, including and genocide against the Russian people and the civil war. All this happened due to the stupidity of the Romanov dynasty.

          It is logical ... and in general the victims are always to blame for all the crimes - since they failed to destroy the criminals in a timely manner! wassat

          President of the court. So, Madam witness, your husband walked quietly down the street ...
          Mister with a wart on his nose. Sorry, again a distortion of the truth. He did not walk calmly. He impudently carried money to the savings bank - and held on defiantly!
          President of the court. What was it expressed in?
          Mister with a wart on his nose. Yes in everything. He made it clear that he was not afraid of anyone. It is possible that he had a weapon!
          Widow. Not true! He had no weapons!
          President of the court. Your husband did the most inadvertently, gracious madame! If he had a weapon, we would not have to painfully seek the right solution today. He could have warned ... this sad incident. (Sighs in dismay.)
          (K. Chapek "If diplomats were to sit in court")
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 July 2018 11: 55
            +2
            Of course, you can blame too active a child in kindergarten for having a pillow fight at a quiet hour, but this will not prevent it from repeating with the further connivance of the teacher of this group, which will entail only the spread of negative experience to all other groups in this kindergarten.
            The elite, which has taken responsibility to lead the people, and hiding management knowledge from the people, bears full responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof, which led the country to one or another result.
            The result of the Romanov rule - serfdom (slavery - where a one-year-old child cost 50 kopecks) - the revolution of 17 and everything that followed.
          2. naidas
            naidas 17 July 2018 21: 45
            +1
            Quote: Weyland
            and in general, victims are always to blame for all crimes

            Interestingly, if Stalin left Georgia for 22.06.41 and did not rule the country, would he be a victim or an accused?
        4. Looking for
          Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 06
          -1
          Regarding Yanukovych. Not stupidity, but cowardice and indecision.
      2. naidas
        naidas 17 July 2018 21: 38
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Life Standards 1913

        Quote: Olgovich
        Human Freedom Standards

        This is reflected in suicide statistics among the working population. So, for example, in St. Petersburg alone in 1904, the City Government found 115 cases of suicide from unemployment, in 1905 - 94, in 1906 - 190, in 1907 - 310.
        From 1907 to 1911, this figure, with slight fluctuations, everything went and goes uphill ...
        Source - N.A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” (St. Petersburg, 1912 edition)
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 July 2018 08: 56
          +3
          Quote: naidas
          It reflected

          What is it"?
          I wrote about what, but you about what? belay
          Learn what freedom and human rights are, and then compare what a person had before the Thief and what after him.
          PS the account of suicides in the USSR until 1956 was not kept at all (Stalin's wife), and after 1956 to 85 g grew THREE TIMES! From "happiness", apparently!
          1. naidas
            naidas 18 July 2018 20: 00
            +1
            And I about the fact that your RI bankrupt and collapse was inevitable:
            In 1913, the entire state budget was 3,4 billion rubles. This is less than 19 rubles per capita per year. And that’s FOR EVERYTHING !!! Almost a third of the budget went to military expenditures. And in 1917, the debt of the Republic of Ingushetia amounted to: total - 48 billion, and its external - 7,2 billion .. Well, what were the prospects for the Republic of Ingushetia? About the same as the Qing Empire before the Opium Wars. But then the damned Bolsheviks intervened ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 48
              +1
              Quote: naidas
              And I about the fact that your RI bankrupt and collapse was inevitable:

              On the wealth accumulated by this "bankrupt" the new regime and survived.
              Or did the foreign tourist bring it from his Swiss? lol
              1. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 51
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                On the wealth accumulated by this "bankrupt" the new regime and survived.

                Which? And where did the unfortunate kingdom keep the pennies? Ba..da in England and kept .. and who appropriated them? Yes, again, England .. in benefactors ..
                Why did the Romanovs die? Britain did not accept them!

                There is a long-term study, unfortunately, of the already departed professor Vladlen Sirotkin (MGIMO) “Foreign Gold of Russia” (M., 2000), where gold and other holdings of the Romanov family accumulated in the accounts of Western banks are also valued at no less than 400 billion dollars, and together with investments - more than 2 trillion dollars! In the absence of heirs from the side of the Romanovs, the closest relatives are members of the English royal family ... These are whose interests may be the background of many events of the 1916th – 245245st centuries ... By the way, it is not clear (or, on the contrary, understandable) for what reasons the Royal House of England refused the family three times Romanovs in the shelter. For the first time in XNUMX, at the apartment of Maxim Gorky, an escape was planned - the Romanovs were saved by kidnapping and the tsar’s interned during their visit to an English warship, then leaving for Great Britain. The second was Kerensky’s request, which was also rejected. Then they did not accept the request of the Bolsheviks. https://muzejsveta.livejournal.com/XNUMX.html
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: naidas
          So, for example, in St. Petersburg alone in 1904, the City Government found 115 cases of suicide from unemployment, in 1905 - 94, in 1906 - 190, in 1907 - 310.

          For comparison, add statistics on suicides from unemployment in the 1990s - otherwise it’s unrepresentative!
        3. Gopnik
          Gopnik 18 July 2018 13: 14
          +1
          So you do not stop, give statistics on suicides from 1918 onwards
      3. Looking for
        Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 03
        -2
        Just like that, the tsarina was German, the tsar was a flood of Germans. -What kind of RUSSIAN family are you drilling about, Russophobe?
    6. Bar1
      Bar1 17 July 2018 10: 09
      +4
      it’s not at all clear why Nikolai and his family sat and waited, since he had renounced it, he had to leave the angry people and not sit on the powder keg. He sat on his Standart and go out, no one would delay. So no, he himself arranged with his presence a headache to all the new authorities and Kerensky and the Soviets and the Bolsheviks. For a whole year he sat in revolutionary Russia, everything could not be decided.
      1. Cat
        Cat 17 July 2018 11: 15
        +10
        Dear Bar1, alas, Nikolai did not understand that he was simply not needed by anyone, not by his royal cousins ​​over the hill, his people and his country!
        He was sure of his "price" - sure that "his hand would not rise" - he was sure .........., but he was mistaken!
        I do not condone the killers of the king, but with one-man management - the commander bears personal responsibility. By the way, Nikolai modestly replaced the post of commander in chief of the Russian Empire.
        So, the statutes, divine providence and conduct are nothing compared to the vahanalia where the Empire failed after the sovereign renounced.
        Regarding the wishes of my family, believe God will reward everyone with a trinity. Only then do not whine ........... Dear Bar1 - this is not for you.
        Historical note: during the census, Nikolai marked in the column "occupation" - the owner of the Russian land.
        Alas, he did not live up to the hopes and aspirations of the population of the Russian Empire.
        I am especially touched by the given statistics of% of the population, etc., but you my friends did not think to perceive the USSR as a stub of the Russian Empire.
        So ponder on this side of the question!
        I have the honor!
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 17 July 2018 11: 27
          +2
          Quote: Kotischa
          He was sure of his "price" - sure that "his hand would not rise" - he was sure .........., but he was mistaken!


          how silly it is to hope for something when blood spills everywhere on the fronts and streets. That's impossible . For any person, the most important thing in life is first the SAFETY of himself and his family. Nicholas could not help but see that chaos and aggression are taking over society more and more and sitting and waiting for everything to return to normal? What will industry and transport work for itself, that the Kerensky ministers will put things in order or the new authorities? Soviets in which there were Mensheviks and essay bombers, that millions of soldiers and sailors will return to the fronts themselves and begin to fight the Germans?
          All this is speculation and stupidity. Most likely there was no longer Nicholas in the country in 17-18, unless Nicholas was an idiot. And the whole story with the rejection of Romanov by England and the shooting of a historical invention.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 17 July 2018 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Kotischa
          believe God will reward everyone with a trinity. Only then do not whine.

          Dear Kotische, I sincerely and amiably say - don’t “smack” you nonsense.
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 07
          -1
          Quote: Kotischa
          He was sure of his "price" - sure that "his hand would not rise" - he was sure .........., but he was mistaken!

          Quite the opposite: he knew the prediction of the monk Abel that in 1918 he would be killed along with his families - and since all the other predictions of Abel came true 100%, he did not even try to twitch in vain!
        4. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 19 July 2018 23: 15
          -1
          You don’t perceive history, - after some vague time of coups and overthrows of monarchs., There comes a time of calm and restoration of the same monarchs ... So Nicholas-2 was waiting for the people to go crazy and want order in the country. But he did not take into account that a third force, alien to Russia, had come in, personifying the Bronshteins, Rosenfelds, Sverdlovs, and more than five million of their relatives in the state and so many abroad, with an unbroken thousand-year-old hatred, piled on the Russian state. With rivers of blood, deceit and villainy they sealed their power ...
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 17 July 2018 12: 31
        +5
        Quote: Bar1
        since he renounced it, it is necessary to leave the angry people, and not to sit on the powder keg. He sat on his Standart and go out, no one would stop.

        So after all, both the Tsar and the Family were arrested by Kerensky, what else goowwhat are you talking about.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 17 July 2018 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Bar1
          since he renounced it, it is necessary to leave the angry people, and not to sit on the powder keg. He sat on his Standart and go out, no one would stop.

          So after all, both the Tsar and the Family were arrested by Kerensky, what else goowwhat are you talking about.


          it’s necessary to get away from historical cliches when Zimny ​​was taken in October, who was Kerensky on the defensive? Women's battalion and cadet cadets, there was no one else. What power? Kerensky had minimal power, and the Soviets had the main power, that is, the soldiers, sailors and all kinds of Mensheviks who clung to the Soviets, later the Bolsheviks.
          In general, of course, the story of this Tsar’s sitting in Russia in 17-18 after the abdication is somehow incomprehensible.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 14: 38
            +5
            Quote: Bar1
            need to get away from historical cliches when Zimny ​​was taken in October, the one who was on the defense of Kerensky?

            Dear comrade Bar1, where are the October historical cliches, and the capture of the Winter Palace, and the women's battalion?
            The tsar, the family and those who voluntarily followed them were sent to Tobolsk in early August 1917, and this is not such an incomprehensible story with all this sitting, as you put it.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 17 July 2018 14: 45
              +2
              Quote: bober1982
              Quote: Bar1
              need to get away from historical cliches when Zimny ​​was taken in October, the one who was on the defense of Kerensky?

              Dear comrade Bar1, where are the October historical cliches, and the capture of the Winter Palace, and the women's battalion?
              The tsar, the family and those who voluntarily followed them were sent to Tobolsk in early August 1917, and this is not such an incomprehensible story with all this sitting, as you put it.


              and until August, where was the king? He was probably sitting in Peterhof without any arrest.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 17 July 2018 14: 48
                +5
                Quote: Bar1
                and until August, where was the king? He was probably sitting in Peterhof without any arrest.

                He was under arrest in Tsarskoye Selo, since March 1917. to August 1917. What else is Peterhof.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 17 July 2018 15: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Quote: Bar1
                  and until August, where was the king? He was probably sitting in Peterhof without any arrest.

                  He was under arrest in Tsarskoye Selo, since March 1917. to August 1917. What else is Peterhof.


                  his mother, Maria Fyodorovna, held that tail correctly, as the mess started to drop everything and quickly passed through her historical homeland. Nicholas could have done the same with his brood.
                  They write that the security regime in the same Tobolsk was generally easy and the king could go anywhere,
                  http://stuki-druki.com/authors/Nikolay2.php

                  so he spent almost a year in Tobolsk, that he couldn’t escape at all? Could of course. This is our story about the royal "shooting" with a pitchfork written on water.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 17 July 2018 15: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: Bar1
                    his mother, Maria Fyodorovna, held that tail correctly, as the trouble began, she threw everything and quickly passed through her historical homeland

                    Not so fast penetrated, through the Crimea, in April 1919, to Britain, and only then to their historical homeland.
                    Quote: Bar1
                    so he spent almost a year in Tobolsk, that he couldn’t escape at all?

                    The fact of the matter is that he could not escape at all.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 17 July 2018 15: 12
                      0
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Not so quickly penetrated, through the Crimea, in April 1919, to Britain, and only then to their historical homeland.


                      probably not through the Crimea, but in the Crimea and its revolution covered.

                      Quote: bober1982
                      The fact of the matter is that he could not escape at all.


                      how do you know that you couldn’t?
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 17 July 2018 15: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Bar1
                        and in Crimea the revolution covered her.

                        Yes, everything is right, we stayed in the fortress, fought off drunken revolutionary sailors, fought off successfully, then the British took them out to England in a warship.
                        Quote: Bar1
                        how do you know that you couldn’t?

                        If you could run away, you’d run away. You turn on the logic, turn on the logic.
    7. Weyland
      Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: Kotischa
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.

      Are you the lvl80 theologian? For some reason, the Synod, unanimously who voted for canonization, I do not agree with you!
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 17 July 2018 12: 55
        +5
        Quote: Weyland
        Are you the lvl80 theologian? For some reason, the Synod, which unanimously voted for the canonization, does not agree with you!

        Members of the synod, curia, etc. organizations surely all hell is filled with chock and a simple sinner can be accessed only by pull. This synod in the dashing 90s made good money on the excise-free sale of vodka. So the unanimous vote of the synod is not an argument.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 17 July 2018 14: 11
          +7
          Quote: AK1972
          Members of the synod, curia, etc. organizations surely all hell is filled with chock and a simple sinner can be accessed there only by

          The commentary aroused interest, there is some kind of highlight, so to speak - the bare truth. But there is also a fundamental mistake about a simple sinner who goes to hell by blat. There is an opinion that the gates to hell are wide open, everyone accepts without patronage.
          1. AK1972
            AK1972 17 July 2018 15: 56
            +5
            Regarding the sinner, he allowed himself a little sarcasm. If there is hell, then there is enough space for everyone. But in paradise there is most likely a huge demographic problem.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 15
              -1
              Quote: AK1972
              But in paradise there is most likely a huge demographic problem.

              that is, you completely do not believe in the mercy of God?
              I recalled the eastern parable:
              One young guy said: “I swear by divorce from my beloved wife that Allah will never let a bloodsucker like Tamerlan!” The mullah who heard this immediately declared that doubting Allah's mercy is a great sin, so now he will have to divorce. Then Nasruddin came up and said: “Don’t be loaded! If Allah forgives Tamerlane for the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, then the violation of the oath will surely forgive you!”
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 34
          -1
          Absolutely right!!!!!!
    8. AK1972
      AK1972 17 July 2018 12: 49
      +4
      [I]
      Quote: Kotischa
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.

      And also for stupidity, indecision, spinelessness. Unfortunately, a “kind, gentle, love-loving” person is not a position. Alexander Fedorovna is not sorry at all. Why I will not explain. I consider the canonization of Nicholas irresponsible stupidity. I propose to depict his face on the icons without fail with a cigarette. Itself is a sinner, I smoke, but I am not torn to saints.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 17 July 2018 13: 07
        +3
        Quote: AK1972
        Alexander Fedorovna is not sorry at all.

        Right, livestock is real.
        Quote: AK1972
        I propose to depict his face on the icons without fail with a cigarette.

        Such a proposal was, by the way, from the priest, a contemporary of the Tsar, mocked of course - but then the story turned out with a sad ending, the laughing priest soon had an apoplexy blow, the joker died.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 17 July 2018 15: 34
          +2
          Quote: bober1982
          Right, livestock is real.

          Not one thousand lives were ruined due to the whispering in Rasputin’s ear of valuable thoughts about the removal and appointment of front commanders, ministers and other elder proteges. Blood for blood.
          Quote: bober1982
          Such a proposal was, by the way, from the priest, a contemporary of the Tsar, mocked of course - but then the story turned out with a sad ending, the laughing priest soon had an apoplexy blow, the joker died.

          Dear Vladimir! It was amusing that the priest's glum coincided with mine. It is only interesting how this humorist (contemporary of the tsar) lived to see his canonization? Or did they want to canonize Nicholas during his lifetime? If you can tell this story in more detail.
          Thanks in advance.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 18: 11
            +4
            in 1903, at the celebrations to glorify the priest Seraphim of Sarov in the face of saints in Sarov and Diveevo, the Sovereign and many people, including this unfortunate priest, who made such a blasphemous joke, were present ........and, on the king’s icons, how will they depict, with a cigarette in their teeth? ....., in short, he did not reach the house.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 37
        -1
        Stupidity and indecision are two different things. AND REMEMBER to historical figures you can attribute EVERYTHING !!!!, but it is by no means stupidity.
    9. Alber
      Alber 17 July 2018 15: 42
      +5
      Quote: Kotischa
      Unfortunately, I do not see any other way, since speculation under the slogan of the last king is frankly tired of it. So I'll be rude.
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.
      It is a pity for family and servants, but wood chips are flying!

      No speculation.
      Nikolai Romanov with his wife, servant and children were destroyed by the bloody Hasidic Zionists Shaya Goloshchekin, Yankel Yurovsky, Beloborodov (Weinbard) and others. On the orders of the Zionofascist
      Yankel Moishevich Sverdlov, with the knowledge of those world money-lenders who sent Trotsky-Bronstein with an army of "sons of pharmacists and watchmakers" to destroy and dismember Russia and the Russian people. They staged a civil war, the Red Terror and the genocide of the Russian people ...
      Of course, now the Zionist Jews will begin to deny the deeds of their tribesmen and blame the "anti-Semitism" they invented.
    10. Looking for
      Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 07
      +2
      For some reason, God didn’t punish the English Edward VIII for abdication in 1936, and for some reason he did not punish other ex-monarchs.
      1. dSK
        dSK 18 July 2018 01: 02
        +1
        “What is the use of man if he gains the whole world, and damages his soul? or what ransom will a man give for his soul? for the Son of man will come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward everyone according to his works. ” (Matthew 16: 26-27)
        Then everything will be clear.
    11. Vend
      Vend 23 July 2018 14: 03
      -1
      Quote: Kotischa
      Unfortunately, I do not see any other way, since speculation under the slogan of the last king is frankly tired of it. So I'll be rude.
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.
      It is a pity for family and servants, but wood chips are flying!

      Did God pull the trigger? laughing
    12. pormezan
      pormezan 3 September 2018 16: 21
      -2
      I agree. He fully deserved such a sentence by his deeds.
    13. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 29 November 2018 01: 20
      0
      Quote: Kotischa
      Unfortunately, I do not see any other way, since speculation under the slogan of the last king is frankly tired of it. So I'll be rude.
      My opinion is that God punished Nicholas II for abdication as the anointed of God.
      It is a pity for family and servants, but wood chips are flying!


      Did he really abdicate? As far as I know, I can be mistaken, the renunciation is preserved only in a copy and there is no signature on it. And his death was beneficial only to the British, the author is right. In addition, the personal condition of the royal family remained in England. The Queen of England did not hesitate to wear the jewelry of the late Russian Empress ...
  2. wooja
    wooja 17 July 2018 06: 00
    +2
    Time allows us to see the picture a little wider. on the one hand, it is possible that God's will, so many idiotic decisions and so many defeats even an angel will lead to red-and-white heat ..., on the other hand, friends of the throne, English and German relatives, ceased to meet liberal requirements, knew too much, lost power ...., he had too many sins in every sense, and before all ... in short-- the blacksmith was no longer needed. Came in the Time of Troubles and left the same ....
  3. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 06: 18
    +11
    I recommend reading the book “Elimination of Russia” by Nikolai Starikov, which describes in detail and explains why and who killed the Romanovs. The killing of the Romanovs was beneficial to everyone: Britain, the Bolsheviks and the whites, as legitimate pretenders to the throne were destroyed. For Britain, this was a chance to ruin Russia into small pieces, the Bolsheviks were relieved of the headache in the form of the inevitable future monarchist movement in the country and abroad, for whites, depending on their political views, this made it possible to make Russia republican or even establish a new dynasty, as for example, Kolchak tried to make him, who declared himself the supreme ruler of Russia with the subsequent enthronement of himself.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 July 2018 08: 52
      +7
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      I recommend reading the book by Nikolai Starikov "Liquidation of Russia

      The old men had nothing to do with history and does not have, upstart, populist, businessman.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 17 July 2018 08: 57
        +7
        Strange that they Pikul is not remembered, also a noble "historian"
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 17 July 2018 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          Strange that they Pikul is not remembered, also a noble "historian"


          Pikul did not misinterpret MAJOR historical facts and composed trivialities for interest, and seasoned historians began to spread rot on him, but they strangle themselves by letter but entire states like Tartaria do not see on maps.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 14: 43
            +3
            Quote: Bar1
            Pikul did not misinterpret

            I will not argue, every man to his own taste.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 34
            +3
            What kind of seasoned historians are they? Weren't they who, like cockroaches, crawled out after 1991?
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 08: 57
        +5
        It is he who logically explains and arranges why and how the First World War began, how the Tsar was overthrown, why Kerensky did everything for the collapse of the country, and why the Bolsheviks so easily seized power. He is not a historian, but his version has every right to life. And I think that he is right in his versions.
        1. Alber
          Alber 23 July 2018 13: 23
          -1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          He is not a historian, but his version has every right to life. And I think that he is right in his versions.

          That's it. "think" ...
          What place
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 28 August 2018 17: 40
      -1
      Absolutely right. But no. They are still procrastinating for the thousandth time.
  4. Cat
    Cat 17 July 2018 06: 22
    +14
    A special pill for fans of the "holy deeds."
    The decision to demolish the Ipatiev’s house was made with direct pressure from B. Yeltsin, he finally sold it. So I sincerely look forward to the betrayal of the anathema of EBN and its loved ones by the Russian Orthodox Church. I will personally regard any indulgence as a lack of respect for those in power on the part of the priests and others like them. Be consistent gentlemen, clergymen - this is not a room for you to take away from the children, what you indulge in in Yekaterinburg.
    Kitty, without respect.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 17 July 2018 07: 36
      +8
      Hello Vlad! These events are full of symbols. The Romanov dynasty completed its circle ---- beginning with the assassination of Voronok for the coronation of Mikhail Romanov in the Ipatiev Monastery and ending in the basement of the Ipatiev House with the assassination of Tsarevich Alexei (although due to the abdication, Tsarevich Nikolai did not count him, it turns out)
      I didn’t know what exactly E. B.N. destroyed the house. And good.
      1. Alber
        Alber 21 July 2018 22: 43
        -1
        Eltsin swept the traces of his fellow criminals.
        Probably your kindred?
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 17 July 2018 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: Kotischa
      The decision to demolish the Ipatiev house was made with direct pressure from B. Yeltsin

      This decision was made under direct pressure Andropov and Suslov, it was their initiative.
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Kotischa
      So I sincerely look forward to the betrayal of the anonym of EBN and its loved ones by the ROC.

      Rare case. when I completely agree with you!
      1. dSK
        dSK 18 July 2018 01: 21
        +1
        Anathema (Greek ἀνάθεμα - "excommunication")
        Christian excommunication from fellowship with the faithful and from the sacraments used as the supreme church punishment for serious transgressions (primarily for treason to Orthodoxy and evasion of heresy or schism).
        They do not impose on the dead, excommunicate the living and this is a very "potent" remedy.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 20
          -1
          Quote: dsk
          (primarily for treason to Orthodoxy and evasion of heresy or schism

          and what of the above sinned Razin, Mazepa and Pugachev? By the way, the anathema was removed from Razin and Pugachev before execution, but with Mazepa, the matter is different .... He was guilty of sale of the Motherland to heretics- to the Swedes - and to whom sold EBN the Motherland? to the same heretics - pin.dosam!
    4. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 22 July 2018 11: 01
      +3
      Quote: Kotischa
      it’s not for you to take away the premises from children, which is what you indulge in in Yekaterinburg.

      If only this. We look at the existing hospital in Vladikavkaz, we see that there is no surgical department, or rather, it is in an unsuitable room. They say it is temporary. However, this is temporary for a year .. And what is the place of the Surgical building? And there they are sculpting the church .. as a result of which the not so optimistic saying-hospital-reception-room, the church for the churchyard was already made up about the hospital ...
      And none of the hierarchs cares that this hospital since the beginning of the 90s, which is essentially a front-line hospital, has the main thing to grab property from.
      And it’s everywhere. Is it asked from greed, love of money, myopia or all together. With contempt for people?
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 17 July 2018 06: 22
    +2
    Nikolay deserved his bullet, and his wife and children could not have been touched.
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 17 July 2018 06: 43
      +10
      It was necessary to touch the children, for each surviving of the children of Nicholas No. 2, these are millions of dead children of ordinary workers and peasants.
      1. baudolino
        baudolino 17 July 2018 07: 18
        +6
        When you write such garbage, you need to try it on your family and your children. If morality is a problem.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 17 July 2018 07: 32
          +13
          And here the moral is simple, as I said, life 1 for life 1000. Stalin surpassed the personal in the case of Jacob, so he is the Greatest Leader in Russia. Individuals of the modern oligarchy of the Russian Federation are ready to tear their skins from thousands of ordinary children so that their children bathe in bliss and luxury.
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 07: 32
        +5
        Excuse me, is everything all right with you? How could the Tsar’s children threaten your "workers and peasants" !?
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 17 July 2018 07: 40
          +11
          In absolute order. Nicholas’s children No. 2 could become unifying symbols for your baker’s idols, then GV would drag out even more with the corresponding victims, and even if your “heroes” were defeated, attempts to use these children could take place during Herr Hitler’s campaign in Russia.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 17 July 2018 08: 04
            +4
            According to the estimates of the same Council of People's Commissars, a variant of the trial of the emperor and empress was considered. The daughters agreed to let go to Denmark to the Dowager Empress. In general, the decision of the Ural comrades was confused by the plans of the Central Committee that they all remembered in 30 years
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 17 July 2018 08: 38
              +5
              Quote: Nehist
              In general, the decision of the Ural comrades was confused by the plans of the Central Committee that they all remembered in 30 years

              Goloshchekin, the chairman of the Ural Sovdep, was reminded of Trotskyism and its penchant for pederasty, not the mythical decisions of the Ural comrades.
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 17 July 2018 09: 38
                +3
                Gg Do you yourself believe that? The Center couldn’t admit that at that moment it did not have power over the provincial committees. Indeed, in fact, he did not have the ability to control them.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 17 July 2018 09: 59
                  +3
                  The Ural Council, like the whole Urals, was the estate of Sverdlov, Goloshchekin himself was a close and confidant of Sverdlov, with whom he constantly contacted, regularly meeting in Moscow, where Goloshchekin went for instructions, and you talk about the uncontrollability of the local Sovdep, fakes are of course very tenacious .
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            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 17 July 2018 10: 19
              +2
              Quote: Nehist
              In general, the decision of the Ural comrades was confused by the plans of the Central Committee that they all remembered in 30 years

              I read somewhere that Lenin was ready to let go of the royal family, in exchange for recognition by Great Britain and others, of the Soviet Republic, and here the Ural comrades took unnecessary initiative
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 08: 38
            +5
            Quote: zoolu350
            then the war would have dragged on even more with the corresponding victims, and even if your “heroes” were defeated, attempts to use these children could take place during Herr Hitler’s campaign in Russia.

            You have a good fantasy. But you forget that in addition to the Emperor’s family, there were other Romanovs who could be used as a banner of resistance to the Bolsheviks. But no one even thought to attract them. Like the Nazis, they did not use the clown, Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich, who self-proclaimed himself "Emperor in Exile." According to your logic, for them this person would be an ideal cover for aggression — but no, they did not use it. So do not try to justify the crime with a certain "necessity."
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 17 July 2018 08: 58
              +3
              The effect of using the “other” Romanovs is no longer the same, for everything poured into an episode from the film “The Crown of the Russian Empire”, in addition, the Bolsheviks cleaned up this direction. Herr Hitler was not at the level of a politician to use the remaining slag for real purposes.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 23
                +2
                Quote: zoolu350
                The effect of using the “other” Romanovs is not the same

                You poorly understand the very principle of functioning of monarchist statehood. Here, any descendant or relative of the reigning monarch can be a contender for the throne.
                Quote: zoolu350
                the Bolsheviks cleared this direction as well.

                Well, yes ... In the 40s, Andrei Alexandrovich Romanov, the direct great-grandson of Nicholas I, was alive, a number of descendants of Alexander II were alive, playing the role of a possible false Emperor.
                Quote: zoolu350
                Herr Hitler was not at the level of a politician to use the remaining slag for real purposes.

                Yes you, I see just admire this mediocre maniac!
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 17 July 2018 12: 18
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              which could be used as a banner of resistance to the Bolsheviks.

              EMPRESS RI Maria Fyodorovna was still alive. But it does not fit into his "theory", and he does not know about it.
          3. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 09: 06
            +8
            Hitler did not intend to save Russia as a country. He planned to capture it and eliminate it as a state, as he captured and liquidated Poland. The territory of Russia south of Leningrad was to become part of the Reich, colonized by the Germans, and the locals were partially turned into slaves, partially evicted beyond the Urals, partially exterminated. The territory north of Leningrad was supposed to depart Finland. So Herr Hitler did not need any pretender to the throne. He sincerely despised the Russians, considered them subhuman and the lower race, and planned to defeat the USSR in two months. It was not without reason that Hitler, right up to the Stalingrad catastrophe, resolutely rejected all proposals for the creation of Russian divisions from among the prisoners, and only after Stalingrad did the creation of the ROA begin, when even Hitler realized that there was no way to win the war.
          4. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 23
            0
            Quote: zoolu350
            Nicholas’s children No. 2 could become unifying symbols for your baked crunch idols, then GV would have dragged on even more with the corresponding victims

            Do not hurt the crap, it hurts! stop What are the unifying characters? None of the leaders of the White Movement sought to revive the monarchy (except for Diterichs - but in 1922m the FER definitely had no chance)
      3. prapor55
        prapor55 17 July 2018 08: 58
        +8
        And immediately after the execution of the king, the era of prosperity came? Are you a former political officer? The degenerate nobility led by Ulyanov finished off the Empire, and the half-educated seminarian gathered all the fragments together and recreated from ruins and more than once the Tough Country, not even sparing his son! At least you read and analyze all the events in the school history of the USSR.
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 59
          +3
          Quote: prapor55
          The degenerate nobility led by Ulyanov finished off the Empire, and the half-educated seminarian gathered all the fragments together and recreated from ruins and more than once the Tough Country, not even sparing his son! At least you read and analyze all the events in the school history of the USSR.

          It seems that you were embarrassed by the Yakovlev agitprop ... that one exactly caused a split in consciousness, using the formula-Stalin against Lenin, Lenin against Stalin, then Marx against socialism in the USSR did get the result of the collapse of the country.
          1. prapor55
            prapor55 20 July 2018 07: 57
            +1
            You are wrong with the products of this agitation industry, I am not familiar with this conclusion I made on the basis of a PERSONAL analysis of the past era and the actions of these people. This is my opinion and more.
            1. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 22 July 2018 11: 02
              +2
              Quote: prapor55
              You are wrong with the products of this campaign

              But then you repeat his postulates, which indicates your suggestibility, and not a conscious understanding of the realities.
      4. Weyland
        Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: zoolu350
        each surviving from the children of Nicholas No. 2, these are millions of dead children of ordinary workers and peasants.

        Is everything all right with your head? fool Among the children of the Tsar there were no Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot! stop
      5. Olgovich
        Olgovich 17 July 2018 12: 04
        +3
        Quote: zoolu350
        Necessary had to touch the children

        They touched the kids of the killers you glorify and many of their top commanders: they shot, fester in the camps, and were exiled. Everything returned a hundredfold ....
        You take an interest!
        Yurovsky’s children: rotted in camps, Beloborodova-shot with his wife
        Trotsky-ALL children are destroyed, some grandchildren, all nephews, both wives, two son-in-law, relatives of the wives.
        Kamenev: two sons, shot, nephews, shot, both wives, shot, brothers, shot, grandchildren, imprisoned for 25 years.
        Etc.
        They also threatened children simple workers and peasants
        fool
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          Trotsky-ALL children are destroyed, some grandchildren, all nephews, both wives, two son-in-law, relatives of the wives.

          In fairness: Trotsky's cousin (Vera Inber) - Laureate of the Stalin Prize of the second degree (1946), has never been subjected to any repression. By the way, she was one of 36 co-authors of the collective monograph "The White Sea-Baltic Canal named after Stalin: History of construction, 1931-1934."
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 56
            +1
            Quote: Weyland
            In fairness: Trotsky's cousin (Vera Inber) - Laureate of the Stalin Prize of the second degree (1946), has never been subjected to any repression. By the way, she was one of 36 co-authors of the collective monograph "The White Sea-Baltic Canal named after Stalin: History of construction, 1931-1934."

            An exception confirms the Rule of annihilation of relatives of "enemies of the people."
            1. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 19 July 2018 10: 57
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              An exception confirms the Rule of annihilation of relatives of "enemies of the people."

              It only confirms that your writings about mass repressions are blatant lies.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 July 2018 12: 16
                +2
                Quote: The Swordsman
                It only confirms that your writings about mass repressions are blatant lies.

                you climbed here, not understanding the essence: we are talking about relatives of Trotsky.
                So show us the surviving wives of Trotsky, his living children, etc. fool
                As you find, we’ll talk about “lies”
                We are waiting, sir!
                1. Karenius
                  Karenius 19 July 2018 23: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  So show us the surviving wives of Trotsky, his living children, etc.

                  It would not hurt to find the graves of Trotsky’s relatives - to pull and shoot again ... and so on from generation to generation.
                  1. Sweetheart
                    Sweetheart 22 July 2018 11: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: Karenius
                    It would not hurt to find the graves of Trotsky’s relatives -

                    Together with the heirs of the Nazi NZHD, and indeed the whole batch of narrow-minded Natsik from Dashnaktsutyun. Not far from Trotsky left.
                    1. Karenius
                      Karenius 22 July 2018 12: 01
                      -1
                      They would bring confirmation of Nzhdeh’s cooperation with the Nazis against the USSR ... Sheets on receiving food rations do not count.
                      _____
                      He wrote about Dashnaktsutyun a hundred times ... this is the second boot from a pair with the Bolsheviks.
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 22 July 2018 13: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Karenius
                        confirmation of cooperation Nzhdeh with the Nazis against

                        Get it.
                        “Recall that in 1942 Garegin Nzhdeh, together with another Armenian terrorist Drastamat Kanayan (“ General Dro ”) organized for the Nazis the“ Armenian Legion ”from captured Armenians and representatives of the Armenian“ Diaspora ”in Europe. This legion fought with the Soviet army in arms with Soviet partisans (that is, with the same Russia, which today is the "ally" of Armenia and fully protects and provides it), and also performed punitive functions and participated in all the criminal acts of the Nazis, including in the Holocaust of the Jewish population of Europe .

                        Moreover, as their "hero" of the Nazi executioner, the Armenians are trying to impose on the Russians. Pilgrimages are arranged to the grave of Garegin Nzhdeh in the prison cemetery of Vladimir Prison, the question arises of installing a monument there "
                        The Nazi abomination, as it were, was not disguised. In Krasnodar or Vlasov, other different. It will remain.
      6. Looking for
        Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 35
        -1
        ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!
      7. Alber
        Alber 20 July 2018 15: 16
        0
        Quote: zoolu350
        It was necessary to touch the children, for each surviving of the children of Nicholas No. 2, these are millions of dead children of ordinary workers and peasants.

        Likely your ancestors shot at the children of Nikolai Romanov and with a bayonet survived the survivors ... And then they hid the traces of the crime by burning the bodies of the innocent killed with gasoline and filling them with acid ...
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 28 August 2018 19: 14
          -1
          I would be Proud of it.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 17 July 2018 08: 50
      +3
      Quote: vlad007
      Nikolay deserved his bullet, and his wife and children could not have been touched.

      Are you mine?
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 10: 04
        +7
        I would be in the place of Yurovsky, would put on a stake Tsar-rag for all his crimes against his people, let him wrinkle before dying. The bullet is too humane for him.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 10: 24
          +3
          Crimes before the people? Let's look at them:
          To everything else, it is necessary to say about the rapid population growth. During the reign of Nicholas II, the population of the Russian Empire increased by almost 50 million people, that is, by 000%. And the natural population growth increased to 000 people per year.

          Development of new territories took place. For several years, 4 million peasants moved from European Russia to Siberia. Altai turned into the most important grain district; oil was also exported there.
          https://politikus.ru/articles/12732-pravlenie-nik
          olaya-ii-cifry-fact-i-mify.html
          And here’s another “terrible crime”:
          The stability of money circulation was such that even during the Russo-Japanese War, accompanied by widespread revolutionary unrest in the country, the exchange of credit tickets for gold was not suspended.

          In Russia, taxes, before the First World War, were the lowest in the whole world.

          The burden of direct taxes in Russia was almost four times less than in France, more than 4 times less than in Germany and 8,5 times less than in England. The burden of indirect taxes in Russia was on average half that of Austria, France, Germany and England.

          The total amount of taxes per inhabitant in Russia was more than half that in Austria, France and Germany, and more than four times less than in England.

          Between 1890 and 1913 Russian industry quadrupled its productivity. Her income not only almost equaled the income received from agriculture, but the goods covered almost 4/5 of the domestic demand for manufactured goods.

          Over the past four years before World War I, the number of newly established joint-stock companies increased by 1%, and the capital invested in them almost quadrupled.

          In 1914, the State Savings Bank had deposits of 2.236.000.000 rubles.

          The amount of deposits and equity in small credit institutions (on a cooperative basis) in 1894 amounted to about 70.000.000 rubles; in 1913 - about 620.000.000 rubles (an increase of 800%), and by January 1, 1917 - 1.200.000.000 rubles.

          On the eve of the revolution, Russian agriculture was in full bloom. During the two decades leading up to the 1914-18 war, grain harvesting doubled. In 1913, in Russia, the crop of the main cereals was 1/3 higher than that of Argentina, Canada and Soed. States combined.
          https://takoe-nebo.livejournal.com/570704.html
          If all this is a crime, then God forbid every country in power of such a "criminal"!
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 10: 47
            +8
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            In Russia, taxes, before the First World War, were the lowest in the whole world.
            The burden of direct taxes in Russia was almost four times less than in France, more than 4 times less than in Germany and 8,5 times less than in England. The burden of indirect taxes in Russia was on average half that of Austria, France, Germany and England.
            The total amount of taxes per inhabitant in Russia was more than half that in Austria, France and Germany, and more than four times less than in England.

            Just because the population was 98% poor and it was impossible to strip money from them.
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Between 1890 and 1913 Russian industry quadrupled its productivity. Her income not only almost equaled the income received from agriculture, but the goods covered almost 4/5 of the domestic demand for manufactured goods.

            If in 1890 there was one plant, and then there were four of them by 1913, then yes, the number of plants increased by a factor of 4. But in Germany there were 1890 factories in 100, in 1913 it became 200. In total, it doubled! Gee gee gee!
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            On the eve of the revolution, Russian agriculture was in full bloom. During the two decades leading up to the 1914-18 war, grain harvesting doubled. In 1913, in Russia, the crop of the main cereals was 1/3 higher than that of Argentina, Canada and Soed. States combined.

            In the United States, the main grain crop is corn, for example, in the 21st century, about 300 million tons of corn are harvested in the USA per year, and only about 60 million tons of wheat are harvested. So it is incorrect to compare the harvests in wheat from Russia and the USA. Well, it’s ridiculous to talk about Canada in 1913, in 1911 the population of Canada was 7,2 million people, it is clear that in Russia with a population of 178 million people collected more wheat. The same story with Argentina, in 1914, 2,4 million people lived there. No need to brazenly manipulate the numbers. You would have dragged Australia here, where in 1913 there were only a few people.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 11: 53
              +2
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Just because the population was 98% poor and it was impossible to strip money from them.

              Have you seen figures on the number of deposits? Or chose not to notice? The impoverished population could not make such a large amount of deposits.
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              If in 1890 there was one plant, and then there were four of them by 1913, then yes, the number of plants increased by a factor of 4. But in Germany in 1890 there were 100 factories, in 1913 it became 200.

              Read carefully. My quote is about increasing production volumes, not the number of plants. And forgive me, are facts that confirm the dynamic development of RI at the beginning of the 20th century unpleasant to you? Do you really want to represent your homeland backward and humiliated? If yes, then this is pure Russophobia.
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              In the United States, the main grain crop is corn, for example, in the 21st century, about 300 million tons of corn are harvested in the United States per year, and only about 60 million tons of wheat are harvested.

              We are talking about the beginning of the 20th century, not 21. Corn was not a widespread culture at that time.
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              The same story with Argentina, in 1914, 2,4 million people lived there.

              Hmm.
              1914 The total population is 7 people, including 885 million whites, 237 million mestizos, 4 thousand mulattos and 3 thousand Indians. From 300 to 40 almost 1900 million people arrived in the country, of which approx. 1914/4 were Italians and Spaniards. Italians alone accounted for up to 4% of the total number of immigrants. The Academy of Economic Sciences was established.
              http://hrono.ru/land/landa/1900arge.php
              So it is you who should be asked to avoid manipulating numbers.
              And do not forget that in Argentina, the climate is more suitable for farming than in Russia, and the effectiveness of land cultivation is not directly dependent on the population.
              And yes, in my quote, it was said that these countries were the largest exporters of grain.
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 17: 49
                +3
                1914 The total population is 7 people, including 885 million whites, 237 million mestizos, 4 thousand mulattos and 3 thousand Indians. From 300 to 40 almost 1900 million people arrived in the country, of which approx. 1914/4 were Italians and Spaniards. Italians alone accounted for up to 4% of the total number of immigrants. The Academy of Economic Sciences was established.

                Argentina population: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograf%C3%ADa_de_
                Argentina
                I hope you know Spanish, and if not, then a Google translator will help you.
                1. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 17 July 2018 18: 20
                  +1
                  Do you know something ??? According to your link, it follows that the population of Argentina in 1914 is more than 7,9 million, and 2,3 million is the population of large cities
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          I would be in the place of Yurovsky, I would put on a stake Tsar-rag for all his crimes against his people,

          I would love to transplant all communists to the stake - they have the right place there, because they, like the Bourbons, have not forgotten anything learned nothing!
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 17 July 2018 11: 46
            +8
            You are too dumb to understand the situation. Your result is oblivion.
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 43
              +2
              Agree to 100%
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 28 August 2018 19: 15
        -1
        Do not worry yours is still in the cage.
  6. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 07: 31
    +5
    The article is a fat minus. Mr. Samsonov, as always tries to engage in attempts to justify the acts of the Bolsheviks - a deliberately useless exercise.
    It is worth remembering that Nicholas II was deprived of the throne not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Westernizers-Februaryists - most of the elite of the Russian Empire.

    Right. But the author, as always, “forgets” to say that the life of the ousted monarch was respected by the Februaryists and believed that he would be tried for “crimes of the autocracy,” which, it must be said, did not take place simply because the zealous anti-monarchists from among the conspirators did not find any evidence of these " crime. "
    The masters of the West consistently destroyed Russian civilization:

    This was done not by the mythical "masters of the West", but by the Bolsheviks. It was they who killed the deposed Russian Emperor and his family, they physically exterminated the Russian military, political, cultural elite and the active part of the Russian peasantry. They blew up Russian churches and demolished monuments to Russian heroes. They, and not some "owners".
    Trotsky is trying to seize the supreme power. On July 12, the Ural Council, chaired by Beloborodov, makes a decision: to put Romanov to death without waiting for trial. Yurovsky hurriedly forms a detachment of killers.

    Complete nonsense. Trotsky is responsible for many crimes, but not for that. The organizers of the assassination of the imperial family were Goloshchekin and, obviously, Sverdlov. What is noteworthy, for their "amateur activity" they did not suffer any punishment from Moscow accomplices. Which suggests that Ulyanov and the company could verbally give them permission to kill the royal family at their own discretion.
    The Russian Communists were able to create their own global project - Soviet civilization, which took the best of the Russian Empire and made a breakthrough into a brighter future, the "Golden Age". Soviet society, on the basis of justice, an ethics of conscience, service and creation, has become an alternative to the Western slave society of consumption and self-destruction.

    Nonsense is complete. There are no and there were no "Russian Communists". And as for the society of "justice, conscience and service" .... Does the author, apparently for justice, understand the scientists working in prison conditions, executions of people for jokes about state leaders, and under his conscience - hundreds of thousands of denunciations?
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 17 July 2018 09: 46
      +3
      Ulyanova was just happy with the trial to legitimize the power of the Soviets in the eyes of the world. Not for nothing, at his direct direction, the Yakovlev-Myachin group was sent. By the way, if it weren’t for the king, they would have been eliminated in Tobolsk
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 17 July 2018 11: 27
        +4
        Quote: Nehist
        By the way, if it weren’t for the king, they would have been eliminated in Tobolsk

        This is all a myth about a good commissioner who was trying to save the Tsar, no one was going to liquidate the Tsar’s family in Tobolsk.
        Yekaterinburg - the place, date and participants of the execution, as well as their executors, were determined in advance and carefully.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 17 July 2018 13: 04
          +1
          And who told you that the commissioner was kind? His task was to save the king until trial, which would be followed by his inevitable execution. But comrades from the Ural Committee, with the support of the essays, played their games
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: Nehist
            But comrades from the Ural Committee, with the support of the essays, played their games

            Socialist-Revolutionaries, to what is this story related? The Ural comrades did not have the right to take a step aside, as Sverdlov ordered, so did, and the local comrades themselves were small fry to make independent decisions.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2018 12: 41
      +4
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      The article is a fat minus. Mr. Samsonov, as always tries to engage in attempts to justify the acts of the Bolsheviks - a deliberately useless exercise.

      I agree. What is its "debunking" of the myth
      In modern Russia, the myth prevails that the main culprits in this massacre are the Bolsheviks,
      .As if only the Emperor’s family was killed from the Romanovs, against the will of a foreign tourist.
      But they killed ALL the Romanovs, who were in the hands of the Bolsheviks and in DIFFERENT places. And all "not by the will of foreign tourists," yes.

      The author does not know this, otherwise he would have seen what nonsense proves.

      And to call Sverdlov by the name ROSENFELD is generally beyond: it is the name of a man who lived under the name Kamenev.
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Nonsense is complete. No and there were no "Russian communists"

      The author invented them, and moves them. To repeated offers to find these phrases from the foreign tourist Ilch, nothing followed. And of course, they DO NOT exist
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 45
      +2
      I won’t write much. Long live the CPSU (B.) !!!!!
  7. Curious
    Curious 17 July 2018 07: 55
    +11
    Once again, the tragic page of history is used for manipulation.
    Now this is done by Samsonov, in whose articles Russia looks directly like some kind of backyard of the collective West, who in this backyard does everything he pleases - puts and removes monarchs, kills them, freely manipulates the elite, plunges Russia into wars and immediately deprives them its fruits of victory in all sorts of congresses and even changes the social system. And for many commentators, this point of view of the author finds hot support. A strange kind of patriotism.
    As for the murder of the king, then, no matter how blasphemous it would look in the eyes of the average man, secret and overt, executions, coups and conspiracies are the costs of the monarch’s profession.
    Even if we do not take into account the "collective West", is Nicholas II the only one among the Rurikovich and Romanovs who was eliminated by force for "political purposes". If my memory serves me right, then this list is already opened by Askold and Deere, whom Oleg the Prophet “eliminated” and who subsequently canonized.
    And the Romanov dynasty began with the Uglich case and the execution of the son of Marina Mnishek, that is, with the elimination of competitors in the struggle for the throne. And the fact that the competitors were children did not bother anyone. And on Nikolai the Second, the circle closed.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 July 2018 08: 16
      +7
      Quote: Curious
      Samsonov, in whose articles Russia looks directly like some kind of backyard of the collective West

      The way it is. The West first planted Christianity for us, and then placed the Romanovs in the reign. Petruha opened a window to Europe, through which all the shit of the West spread in a thin layer throughout Russia. As soon as this or that emperor ceased to meet their interests, they removed him ...
      Quote: Curious
      Regarding the directly killing of the king

      It was not a king. After his abdication, he was an ordinary citizen of the former empire.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 34
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        The West first planted Christianity for us, and then placed the Romanovs in reign

        Russia adopted Christianity from Byzantium (which is by no means the West), and the Romanovs, in fact, were chosen by the people - who had just prevented another expansion of the West!
        1. Karenius
          Karenius 17 July 2018 11: 41
          0
          Byzantium was no less West than the Roman godfather ... In our relations, in any case.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 33
            -1
            Quote: Karenius
            In our relationship, anyway.

            Recall how many Byzantine emperors were ethnic Armenians? offhand, only the most famous - Nikifor Foka, Hovhannes Chmushk (John Tzimiskes), Vasily Bolgaroboyets ....
            1. Karenius
              Karenius 18 July 2018 11: 38
              +2
              Quote: Weyland
              Quote: Karenius
              In our relationship, anyway.

              Recall how many Byzantine emperors were ethnic Armenians? offhand, only the most famous - Nikifor Foka, Hovhannes Chmushk (John Tzimiskes), Vasily Bolgaroboyets ....

              Let me remind you of the words of Stalin to Georgian cultural figures: "... I am a man of Russian culture."
              So it is with the Imperials.
        2. avt
          avt 17 July 2018 12: 30
          +4
          Quote: Weyland
          and the Romanovs, in fact, were chosen by the people -

          bully Yeah, well, if for
          Quote: Weyland
          people

          consider the Cossacks, “Tushinsky thief”, who appointed Misha’s dad as a patriarch and who banged on time. Yes, yes. The Romanovs are indebted to the Trubetskoys for their “expression of nationality,” but they don’t manage with anointing, as it was for family - the son’s folder ,, blessed "to the kingdom. bully
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 35
            -1
            Quote: avt
            son’s folder ,, blessed "to the kingdom.

            but nothing that during the election of Michael (and the next 5 years) Filaret was captured by the Poles?
        3. AK1972
          AK1972 17 July 2018 16: 11
          +1
          It is enough to look at the map to determine in the west or east of Moscow is Istanbul (Constantinople)
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 17 July 2018 16: 48
            +1
            And why from Moscow, and not immediately from Vladivostok? And if you look from Kaliningrad?
            1. Cat
              Cat 17 July 2018 20: 58
              +3
              Gee ..........
              Quote: AK1972
              It is enough to look at the map to determine in the west or east of Moscow is Istanbul (Constantinople)

              And I, the patient, thought that Vladimir had been baptized in Korsun (Khersones) !!!
              For "special guests", the capital of the Ancient Russian state - Kiev!
  8. bubalik
    bubalik 17 July 2018 08: 04
    +2
    ,,, and exactly proved that Nicholas II and his family died on the night of 16 on 17 July? what
  9. wooja
    wooja 17 July 2018 08: 25
    +9
    He was a hostage to his environment, it’s hard to say what was left of him from the Romanovs, he was a relative of everyone ... we can say cosmopolitan ... but he broke away from the people, from the roots ..., he himself interrupted the dynasty by his marriage to a hemophilic ..., maybe he was also an excellent family man ... but he forgot about the country, that he is the tsar-PAG ...., 3 revolutions on one board ...., lost wars, revelry of terror, open subversive activities of the allies and relatives, competence rolls over, it all ended as it ended ... irresponsibility at the state level. Gorbachev version 1.0
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 17 July 2018 08: 49
    +5
    Samsonov, aren't you ashamed?
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 08: 54
      +3
      Judging by the style of Mr. Samsonov’s opuses, such moral categories as shame and conscience are deeply alien to him, because he allows himself to completely shamelessly mock Russian history.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 17 July 2018 09: 03
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      Samsonov, aren't you ashamed?

      It should be a shame to those who put candles on the former king. He is guilty of the tragedy that befell Russian citizens at the beginning of the last century! How many lives of old people, women and children have been destroyed? And some still pray for him ...
      Now the liberals blame Putin for all the deadly sins, so why not blame the former king too?
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 09: 25
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        He is guilty of the tragedy that befell Russian citizens at the beginning of the last century! How many lives of old people, women and children have been destroyed? And some still pray about him ..

        Once again I repeat to you - it’s far not he who is guilty, but those people who gave criminal orders about repressions, seizures of grain, shooting cities with artillery (as was the case with Yaroslavl).
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 July 2018 09: 27
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          far not he is guilty, but those people

          Who allowed these people to seize power? Who allowed Badera to seize power in Ukraine?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 July 2018 09: 30
            +4
            Quote: Boris55
            Who allowed these people to seize power? Who allowed Badera to seize power in Ukraine?

            The first secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine is Kravchuk.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 17 July 2018 10: 06
              +4
              Whose ancestors were Bandera, in addition, individuals helped him, among whom was one inconspicuous KGB lieutenant colonel.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 17 July 2018 10: 23
                +3
                I agree only partially, about the ancestors of Bandera, but I don’t agree about the help of an inconspicuous KGB officer. Ukraine’s banderization began, as it doesn’t sound strange, back when Shcherbitsky, and when Kravchuk simply collapsed.
            2. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 17 July 2018 15: 19
              +1
              The USSR collapsed in collusion: L. Kravchuk, S Shushkevich and B. Yeltsin, two Jews and one with pro liquid ...
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 17 July 2018 11: 38
          +3
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Once again I repeat to you - it’s far not he who is guilty, but those people who gave criminal orders

          Do you want to thereby whitewash Hitler? No matter how he personally did not give commands to people in droves in concentration camp kilns to burn.
          About the saliva according to the Romanovs and why they are guilty of all the troubles of Russia. I already wrote about Petruha. Now I will write about the king peacemaker. This bad man, having signed a decree on "cook children", blocked the access of a commoner to take part in society. The elite, closed to itself, without the arrival of "new blood" eventually degenerated, which led to its collapse.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 36
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        It should be a shame to those who put candles on the former king.

        And we are ashamed of the fact that at the beginning of 90x all communist evil was not destroyed when there was an opportunity!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 July 2018 11: 44
          +2
          Quote: Weyland
          And we are ashamed of the fact that at the beginning of 90x all communist evil was not destroyed when there was an opportunity!

          Flies versus bees? laughing
          These communist Trotskyists of 40 years paved the way for their coup. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, whoever was in what position was in possession. Former secretary of the regional committee - region, former janitor of the regional committee - paid toilet. Yeltsin fussed - and he got all of Russia. Local buy from the Union republics are not offended.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 38
            -1
            Quote: Boris55
            For 40 years these Trotskyist communists have been preparing the ground for their coup.

            probably much longer - given that Orwell’s book "Farmyard" was written in 1943-1944. But what have the Trotskyists to do with it? Faithful Leninists!
        2. AK1972
          AK1972 17 July 2018 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Weyland
          And we are ashamed of the fact that at the beginning of 90x all communist evil was not destroyed when there was an opportunity!

          Some characters in Ukraine agree with you. "Now we need to promise, and we will hang later." First we cry for the innocently killed, and then we are ashamed of not having been exterminated.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 53
          +2
          Is that for us?. GEKERS hiding behind patriotic slogans?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 40
            -1
            Quote: Seeker
            Is that for us?. GEKERS hiding behind patriotic slogans?

            GEORDS behind the patriotic slogans are your bander-logs am !
      3. Karenius
        Karenius 17 July 2018 11: 43
        +1
        Boris, you're right.
        1. Cat
          Cat 17 July 2018 21: 16
          +7
          So it tempts to ask a provocative question - are you for the red or for the white? !!!
          For a century, Russia has been rooting with one question: what if there hadn’t been a civil war!
          The answer to it, alas, will not be today or tomorrow .........
          My purely personal opinion is that a saint should be a saint .., but alas, today and now Nicholas II, this is just a "brand" of the modern Orthodox Church and others like them. Looking at the circus that unfolded in Yekaterinburg, I am sad. Even a little annoying carnival for the hidden weaning of "dough" from people who truly believe.
          I honestly cannot force myself to put on the same plane the merits of Saints Princess Olga, Prince Vladimir, Alexander Nevsky and Nicholas II.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 18 July 2018 00: 52
            +4
            Yes, there was no merit for this rag. The people gave him a well-known nickname: Tsar Rag. No king was as weak-willed and cowardly as Nikolasha. The death of the empire, revolution, turmoil and the subsequent Civil War are all his merits.
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 18 July 2018 11: 45
            -1
            Quote: Kotischa
            I honestly cannot force myself to put on the same plane the merits of Saints Princess Olga, Prince Vladimir, Alexander Nevsky and Nicholas II.

            Of course - Nikolay did not burn ambassadors and did not bury him alive, did not kill half-brothers, to the participants anti-Mongol I didn’t cut off the rebellion and didn’t gouge out my eyes ... But Olga, Vladimir and Alexander would certainly not have allowed the revolution - they would have torn the infection out!
  11. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 17 July 2018 09: 50
    +7
    Another tambourine about the fact that the Tsar-priest was killed by the Zhidomasons.
    The masters of the West consistently destroyed Russian civilization
    What civilization? The civilization of the nobility-bourgeois elite? Or civilization of the Lapotniks, who made up the bulk of the population of the Russian Empire and who suffered from the suffering of Anna Karenina and the ravings of Pierre Bezukhov ???
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 17 July 2018 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: sxfRipper
      The civilization of the nobility-bourgeois elite? Or civilization of the Lapotniks, who made up the main population

      “Respectfully” you speak of your homeland and your people ...
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 17 July 2018 11: 07
        +13
        Lieutenant, you are just one of those who the Russian people considered exclusively cattle. And do not smear the snot here - just like you do not care about the people. The main thing is to heat the bath and bring a couple of fresh girls.
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 54
          +2
          Is it enough for at least one?
      2. Karenius
        Karenius 17 July 2018 11: 45
        0
        Lieutenant, are you sure that he is about "his" people?
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper 17 July 2018 14: 21
          +4
          The lieutenant is the first category troll provocateur. This is even worse than just a dumb troll.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2018 12: 51
      +5
      Quote: sxfRipper
      What civilization?

      It is written in Russian: RUSSIAN civilization of the Russian people, consisting of both lapotnikov and the noble elite. Or were the great Russian achievements in building the largest state in the world and the great Russian culture possible without the creative activity of the people?
  12. lucul
    lucul 17 July 2018 10: 21
    +6
    Why they killed - this is to the Rothschilds, this is their doing. They somehow met among themselves (more precisely, the French president introduced them), in France.
  13. lucul
    lucul 17 July 2018 10: 23
    +3
    Quote: sxfRipper
    Or civilization of the Lapotniks, koi and constituted the main population of the Russian Empire

    Just something "these lapotniki" flew into space much earlier than the God-chosen.
  14. Weyland
    Weyland 17 July 2018 11: 11
    +1
    In modern Russia, the myth prevails that the main culprits in this massacre are the Bolsheviks, personally Lenin and Stalin.
    Stalin is clearly not at work, but with Lenin am there were personal reasons (revenge for the brother)
    Jacob Sverdlov (Yankel Rosenfeld)
    Jacob (Jacob) is no less a Jewish name than Yankel! And yet, yes, Polish and Belarusian Jews often had surnames. derivatives from the profession, so Sverdlov is quite a Jewish surname! laughing
    Trotsky, a protege of the “world behind the scenes, became the second person after Lenin in the party and the Soviet state. They planned to make him the head of the new Russia..
    In theory, the second. in real life - first (read at least the opinion of white emigrants, the same dozen knives in the back of the revolution "). Trotsky am was commander in chief. Here during the Second World War officially suddenly, Kalinin was our first person, and Stalin was the top commander. doubts anyone. which of them really taxied?
    So Trotsky did not need to eliminate Lenin - at that time he pushed him into the background!
    But as for the assassination of the Tsar’s family, I completely admit that Trotsky had a hand in it, but Lenin must have also taken part!
    1. Micfoster
      Micfoster 17 July 2018 11: 29
      +8
      Well, what a royal family! How long will they repeat this mistake! Citizen Romanov was killed with his (no longer a little royal) family. He is abdicated voluntarily! He is not a king and his family is not royal!
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 17 July 2018 11: 45
      +1
      Sverdlov, the initiator of the murder at the moment, Trotsky, gave a satisfied sanction (no need to spoil about who held a formal post, we are talking about a REAL hierarchy), Lenin was not against it. Here are the main organizers. The Yekaterinburg "group of comrades" are ordinary performers, who then tried not to recall. The murdered citizen Romanov is a classic Klimov degenerate, unable to defend even himself and the dynasty, not to mention the inherited state, unable to determine the goals and objectives of development and cleanse the elite in accordance with these tasks, as a diagnosis is a clueless leader and passive sider on the throne. Plus, it was correctly said that, in essence, it was a cosmopolitan who tied Russia to British (that is, Masonic and usurious) interests. In the history of Britain there was such a king of the Saxons - Ettlered the Unreasonable. The same epithet is 100% for Nicholas II. "He is not worthy to be the son of the Ruler," - so in a Hollywood movie Menelaus told Hector about the fleeing Paris. It was in view of the political lack of will of the last king that he ideally suited the role of a bloody sacred sacrifice. It is bitter that his whole family and close servants paid with him. But it’s ridiculous to expect mercy from nonhumans. Nikolai - he was waiting. and waited. In short, not Mikhail Tverskoy, or even Paul I. The pitiful end to the “king by misunderstanding” and the terrible death of the people around him.
  15. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 July 2018 11: 22
    +8
    The author did not mention a few more circumstances. The first is that Lenin did not know that the company, led by Trotsky and Sverdlov, organized this fact. Lenin needed a court. Dzerzhinsky, learning about the execution at a meeting of the college of the Cheka, exclaimed, "What the hell." The trial of Nicholas II was absolutely not needed by the powerful. Such details could come up that oh. And to Nicholas, after being betrayed by an ally and cousin, the king of England did not give a damn about the secrets of the world. Fani Kaplan, who shot at Lenin, was in very friendly relations with Trotsky and Sverdlov. Why they destroyed the whole family say they were afraid of raising morale from the monarchists. This is bullshit. We are talking about more serious things. In the accounts of the imperial family in different countries lay many millions or already billions of gold. Nobody was going to return these amounts. One story with the US Federal Reserve makes you think. So the fate of the royal family was a foregone conclusion. But then to blame everything on Lenin and Dzerzhinsky was a matter of technology. To the honor of I. Stalin, he awarded all the killers a bullet and an ice ax.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 July 2018 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: tank64rus
      Lenin needed a court.

      Think about the fact that ALL the Romanovs who fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks were destroyed without any “ships” —and this was in Perm, in Alapaevsk, and in St. Petersburg. It was just a massacre.
      So he did not want any trial.
    2. wooja
      wooja 17 July 2018 22: 45
      +1
      very good, worthy explanation, the essence of the problem is stated correctly ...,
  16. Nechaev
    Nechaev 17 July 2018 11: 27
    -1
    History has ruined everything - state. capitalism, erroneously called socialism, lasted 70 years in Russia.
  17. Seamaster
    Seamaster 17 July 2018 12: 07
    +5
    Who ordered to kill the king (former)?
    In any case, not Lenin and his inner circle.
    At that time, Lenin's main task was to avoid a war with Germany - the only real force that could overthrow their power.
    For this, he went to the "obscene" Brest peace; for this, he went to the German embassy to apologize to some clerk (surviving after the explosion) for the murder of Ambassador Mirbach.
    And after that, he will give the order to shoot the cousin of the German Kaiser, the wife of the cousin (also a relative of the Kaiser, though distant) and the nieces and nephew of the Kaiser?
    Yeah - right now!
    Lenin wasn’t crazy anymore.
    But those who needed a war between Russia and Germany ........
    Guess three times - to whom?
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 17 July 2018 13: 22
      +1
      Add to your comment. The Royal House of Denmark was negotiating with the Kaiser so that he would facilitate the deportation of the emperor and his family. So demand the Kaiser (it is possible that he demanded) deportation of Nicholas, Lenin for peace and would go
  18. Gopnik
    Gopnik 17 July 2018 13: 35
    +2
    The bloody crime of the Bolsheviks (one of many) for which they will never be dismissed. However, they themselves understood this, therefore, even during the years of the USSR, they were embarrassed by this crime.
  19. Jerk
    Jerk 17 July 2018 14: 14
    +2
    It’s interesting if, after the collapse of the USSR, they killed the Mecha Bear with Raika - would there also be such a tantrum? And they have orders of magnitude less blood than a German woman who dragged Russia into an absolutely unnecessary country - meaningless war. Just because of the Germanophobia of a princess who lost her throne due to the reunification of Germany
  20. 1536
    1536 17 July 2018 14: 56
    +1
    What can be said about that time? The events of those months are a vivid example of when the supreme power of the state does not rely on or control middle and lower level officials, does not rely on entrepreneurs of "all guilds" and industrialists, on the military and, most importantly, does not draw its strength from the people no matter how arrogant it may sound. Such "power" becomes useless to anyone, and people personifying it become a target or object for ridicule and general reproach. And so it happened with the last Russian emperor. The people who brought Mikhail Romanov to power in 1612, with the same zeal, removed him from power in 1917. And if it were not for the bloody terror organized in Russia in 1918, the beginning of which was the assassination of the All-Russian Emperor, and the ensuing Civil War, then it is possible that a new tsarist dynasty could have appeared in Russia at that time. Alas, what happened happened. The main thing is not to repeat mistakes.
  21. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 17 July 2018 15: 15
    +5
    I invite forum readers to visit the following sites via links.

    1. On the non-involvement of V.I. Lenin and Ya.M. Sverdlov to the assassination of Nicholas II fully spoke out Vladimir Nikolayevich Soloviev, Senior Investigator for Particularly Important Cases of the Main Investigative Department of the Investigative Committee at the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, who has been involved in the murder of Nicholas II and his family since 1993.
    An interview with him is available on the site.
    http://anticomprador.ru/publ/sledovatel_v_n_solov
    ev_pravde_lenin_ne_prichasten_k_rasstrelu_carskoj
    _semi / 29-1-0-1114

    2. Who will be interested, look at the link, there are debunking all the myths that are duplicated here
    https://burevestn1k.livejournal.com/60359.html
  22. Bar1
    Bar1 17 July 2018 15: 39
    0
    bober1982,
    I already said above that it was unsafe to sit in the country, not only mother Nicholas was exhausted, but many other princes also left, so why did Nikolai stay so long?
    In order to understand the motives of the tsar’s behavior, it is necessary to consider the figure of this emperor on a different scale. Emperor Nicholas 2 was not an ordinary ordinary ruler of Russia at all, but at that time most likely it was the world owner-emperor who creates the states, starts wars and revolutions. The country itself, Russia is also not an ordinary state in the world, but the former WORLD EMPIRE, and the Russian people are the people from whom all other peoples descended. In the past, in the 17-18th century German / Jewish power was able to subjugate the power in the world, a single state was divided between relatives of the same family, who became different countries, and the Romanovs, in order to hide the fact of the conquest, deprived the peoples of their clan memory by introducing the LAW-slavery around the world.
    You can remember who was the creator of the reserve fund in the United States or the League of Nations — it was Nikolay2.
    If you take a closer look, you can see the fact of the surrender of the state from Yanukovych, he also simply abandoned all power, because they began to offend him.
    Hundreds of books have been written about these times of revolution. But one thing is clear, Nikolai could take full advantage of the escape from arrest (which was not) for this he had both time and money, and supporters the whole world was at his disposal .. But we imagine that his king was killed as a dumb beast- it couldn’t be.
    1. Curious
      Curious 17 July 2018 16: 41
      +5
      "... and the Russian people are the people from whom all other peoples descended .."
      That is, only Russians descended from the monkey, and all the rest are already from them?
      And where did the collective West come from, if there were only Russians everywhere? Well, it turns out that the masters of the West also descended from the Russians and began to spread rot in every way their ancestors?
      Yes, with such happiness, and at large.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 18 July 2018 08: 35
      0
      Quote: Bar1
      I already said above that it was unsafe to sit in the country, not only mother Nicholas was exhausted, but many other princes also left, so why did Nikolai stay so long?

      As to the fact that in Soviet Russia it was not safe to be with the princely relatives of the Tsar, I agree with you, but what makes you think that many of them managed to leave the country is not entirely clear. Many were executed, not everyone was lucky to emigrate.
      The king was doomed, no one was going to leave him alive, and you persistently argue that he stayed up.
  23. EvilLion
    EvilLion 17 July 2018 17: 03
    +2
    1) They didn’t kill the king, but citizen Romanov.
    2) In fact, they killed the rebels who did not submit to the center at that time.
    3) Most likely, stupidly because of personal jewelry. That is, banal robbery.
  24. Colonel
    Colonel 17 July 2018 17: 04
    +4
    I think that Nicholas II himself signed the verdict. And when he put his personal gold in an English bank (cousin under the wing), and when he contributed an incredible amount of gold, in tons, to the freshly baked Fed, and when he made a pledge to the same British for military supplies about 300 tons of the same gold. When, as an emperor, he ceased to exist, for the "keepers" of the gold reserve, living Nikolai with heirs became not interesting. Cousin initially, they say, agreed to Nicholas ferry with his family to England, but after talking with bankers, he “changed his mind”.
  25. Looking for
    Looking for 17 July 2018 19: 02
    +5
    And why was they brutally killed? What did they torture before death, did they scoff? They simply shot him. And at that time, shooting without warning was, oddly enough, the most humane way of depriving them of their life.
  26. Nehist
    Nehist 17 July 2018 19: 30
    +1
    Gopnik,
    For starters, at least “Crop failure and national disaster (causes of hunger and the fight against it)
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 July 2018 09: 14
      +2
      Quote: Nehist
      "Crop failure and national disaster (causes of hunger and the fight against it)

      read it.
      you yourself read it?
      I think not.
      He writes about LAST famine, during which there were death, in Russia -1892 g.
      After him, there were NO deaths from starvation, only during the USSR. moreover, there are ORDER more victims!
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 18 July 2018 11: 25
        +2
        Study further the activity of Ermolov as Minister from 1894-1904, read the reports of the governors ... The material is available, and yes the statistical report from 1914 of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Ingushetia will not be forgotten !!! He is fully represented
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 July 2018 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: Nehist
          Study further the activities of Ermolov as Minister from 1894-1904 ,.

          I studied. Here's a bibliography of Ermolov: A. Ermolov. Our land question. - SPb .: Type. V. Kirshbaum, 1906.- 291 p.
          Ermolov A.S. Crop failure and national disaster. - SPb .: Type. V. Kirshbaum, 1892 .-- 270 p.
          "New studies of phosphorites" (1867);
          "On the extraction, processing and use of rounds of fossil phosphate lime in France" (1870);
          “Phosphorites near Moscow and in the Moscow province” (1870);
          “Essays on the Beatitude” (1871);
          "Higher agricultural education in its relations to rural business in Russia" (1872);
          “Organization of theoretical and practical tests to solve the issue of soil fertilizer” (1872);
          "Recherches sur les gisements de phosphate de chaux fossile en Russie" (1873);
          "The agricultural business of Europe and America at the Vienna World Exhibition of 1873 and in its era" (1875);
          "Distillation from the stalks of corn" (1878);
          “From a trip abroad” (1878);
          Notice sur les céréales de la Russie (1878);
          “Mémoire sur la production agricole de la Russie” (1878);
          “Organization of the field economy” (2nd ed., 1891);
          "Agricultural and statistical literature at the world exhibition in Paris in 1878" (1879);
          Under the editorship of Ermolov, a translation of the work of J. Bill: Chemical Fertilizers (1872) is printed.
          Since 1890, he placed in the journal "Russian Outlook" an agricultural chronicle; the first series of these studies was published especially under the title: "Modern Agricultural Issues" (1891).
          "Folk Agricultural Wisdom in Proverbs, Sayings and Signs", Volumes 1-4, 1902-1905

          WHERE THE PROMISED FACTS ARE IN THEM starvation deaths in the Republic of Ingushetia after 1892? Indicate.
          Quote: Nehist
          read governors reports

          WHAT reports of governors, specifically? Is there death there?
          Quote: Nehist
          The material is available, and yes the statistical report from 1914 of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Ingushetia do not forget !!! He is fully represented

          Give a link about starvation deaths there. hi
        2. Gopnik
          Gopnik 18 July 2018 13: 18
          +1
          Well, it’s clear - you can’t bring the data, the more that you have enough for is the wise advice “study”.
  27. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 17 July 2018 19: 42
    +3
    killing the last Russian Emperor Nicholas II

    The last man of the Romanov family, who can be called Russian, Peter II died of smallpox on January 19, 1730. And that’s all, the male line of the Romanov kings on Peter II was stopped.
    And after death illegitimate the daughter of Peter I, a Russian father, Empress Elizabeth Petrovna in December 25, 1761, the female line of the Russian Romanovs was cut short.
    Everything, in the 18th century, the Russian Romanovs ended. In the XIX century, the Romanovs were gone.
    Then the Germans and other foreigners who surrounded the Russian throne in a dense and large crowd dragged the Germans Holstein-Gottorp on it, on the throne, and ruled Russia until 1917, 156 years.
    Therefore, Nicholas II can not be called Russian emperor, they are all henchmen of the West.
    But they, the Holstein-Gottorp, played their game and became redundant and were eliminated by the West.
  28. I am Russian
    I am Russian 17 July 2018 19: 57
    +3
    Nobody killed the Russian Tsar; citizen Romanov and their family were killed.
    They killed that there would not be a living banner that they could follow and even more blood was shed.
    They did everything right.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 July 2018 09: 18
      +3
      Quote: I'm Russian
      Nobody killed the Russian Tsar; citizen Romanov and their family were killed

      They killed the king and children, without trial.
      COURT RECOGNIZED The emperor was innocent of anything and the shooting was a criminal offense ..
      Quote: I'm Russian
      They killed that there would not be a living banner that they could follow and even more blood was shed.
      They did everything right.

      These banners remained- TENS of the Romanovs, incl. there was a real acting The Empress Maria Fedorovna.
      1. I am Russian
        I am Russian 18 July 2018 10: 57
        +1
        They killed the king and children, without trial

        1. Romanov - cowardly abdicated, so they killed not the Russian Tsar, but citizen Romanov.
        2. About children - this is a payment for power. So at all times it was.
        3.without trial and investigation - in the name of the Revolution, this is normal.
        The COURT found the Emperor to be innocent and the shooting was a criminal offense.

        - whose court, what are you talking about ?!
        These banners remained- TENS of the Romanovs, incl. there was also the real acting Empress Maria Fyodorovna.

        - Are you seriously?! these freaks and degenerates with gypsy blood, which recently pokatushki arranged on the Crimean bridge? laughing
        There will be no more monarchy in Russia, there will be no Empire, but no monarchy. We will not have more of these parasites. Now also parasites, but at least there is a chance to cope without much blood.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 July 2018 11: 27
          +3
          Quote: I'm Russian
          1. Romanov - cowardly abdicated, so they killed not the Russian Tsar, but citizen Romanov

          Bravely denied and remained Emperor to the end
          Quote: I'm Russian
          2. About children - this is a payment for power. So at all times it was.

          In animals
          Quote: I'm Russian
          .without trial and investigation - in the name of the Revolution, this is normal.

          Yes? the murders of all the Romanovs, except for the Emperor, were carefully hidden: for some reason your idols were embarrassed. Were smarter, you see, followers
          Quote: I'm Russian
          whose court, what are you talking about ?!

          Russian Federation.
          Quote: I'm Russian
          Are you seriously?! these freaks and degenerates with gypsy blood, which recently pokatushki arranged on the Crimean bridge?

          We are talking about the times of the Thief, have you forgotten? And then these banners (Romanovs) were TENS, including LIVE EMPRESS Maria Feodorovna (wife of Alexander III). You, I see, are not even aware of what was like that.
          Quote: I'm Russian
          There will be no more monarchy in Russia, there will be no Empire, but no monarchy. We will not have more of these parasites. Now also parasites, but at least there is a chance to cope without much blood

          But she was. And it was she who built the Russian people and the country where you live.
          Your idols are all-destroyed (Russian Cross and 91 years old).
          That's the whole story.
          1. Ivan Tartugai
            Ivan Tartugai 18 July 2018 12: 38
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            Courageously denied and remained sovereign to the end


            It was with Paul I that the conspirators demanded abdication.
            However he not courageously denied and was killed, strangled, but allegedly before his death, Paul I shouted to the conspirators: "I am dying as your Emperor."
            Nicholas II denied the rights and duties of the Sovereign. Everything he became former.
            and no more.
            As for his children, his wife, Nicholas II had to take care of their safety, as he studied history and understood that his life, the life of his wife, children practically did not belong to him. He understood that they all became hostages of circumstances, that they all became dependent on opinions, on the ambitions of the larger participants in the political struggle, that they were all a bargaining chip in someone else's game. And I should have transported the children to a safer place in advance.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 July 2018 13: 29
              +2
              Quote: Ivan Tartugay
              Nicholas II denied the rights and duties of the Sovereign.

              In the name of AVOIDING the fratricidal massacre and unity of the people, during the aggression of the enemy, he courageously sacrificed himself
              Quote: Ivan Tartugay
              As for his children, his wife, Nicholas II had to take care of their safety, as he studied history and understood that his life, the life of his wife, children practically did not belong to him. ABOUT

              He and his family consciously decided to go all the way together with RussiaWhatever happens.
              You probably do not understand this. request
              1. Ivan Tartugai
                Ivan Tartugai 18 July 2018 13: 52
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                In the name of AVOIDING the fratricidal massacre and unity of the people, during the aggression of the enemy, he courageously sacrificed himself

                That's what Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp did not think, do and did not do so. "In the name of AVOIDING the fratricidal massacre and unity of the people."
                He didn’t give a damn about the people. A typical king is a parasite who sat with his family on the neck of the people and did not think about him at all.
                For him, for Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp, his wife Alexandra Fedorovna, nee Princess Victoria Alix Helena Louise Beatrice von Hessen und bei Rhein, mainly thought.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 July 2018 10: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Ivan Tartugay
                  That is what Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp did not think of, did and did not do so "In the Name of Avoiding Fratricidal Massacre and the Unity of the People."

                  MADE: "In the name of AVOIDING fratricidal massacre and unity of the people"
                  Quote: Ivan Tartugay
                  He didn’t give a damn about the people. A typical king is a parasite who sat with his family on the neck of the people and did not think about him at all

                  For his sake he lived, thought about him, cared for and for his sake endured all the torments
                  Quote: Ivan Tartugay
                  For him, for Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp, his wife Alexandra Fedorovna, nee Princess Victoria Alix Helena Louise Beatrice von Hessen und bei Rhei, mainly thought

                  lol
                  1. Sweetheart
                    Sweetheart 19 July 2018 11: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    MADE: "In the name of AVOIDING fratricidal massacre and unity of the people"

                    It began, it turned out to be a coward. I could not take responsibility.
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    For his sake he lived, thought about him, cared for and for his sake endured all the torments

                    blah blah blah..varon knocked down yes Koshakov shot about what he lovingly wrote down in a diary. but about the people ... didn’t think about it, didn’t think about the word.
              2. Ivan Tartugai
                Ivan Tartugai 18 July 2018 14: 02
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                He and his family deliberately decided to go all the way with Russia, no matter what happens.

                Well, of course. The assets were transferred from Russia, the gold was exported from Russia to England, and they remained, because "they decided to go all the way with Russia."
                They will stand next to a Russian peasant for a plow or with a scythe, next to a Russian worker for a machine, i.e. next to the Russian people work, work, i.e. go with him, with Russia all the way.
                You think they are very simple.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 July 2018 11: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Ivan Tartugay
                  Well, of course. The assets were transferred from Russia, the gold was exported from Russia to England, and they remained, because "they decided to go all the way with Russia."

                  lol
                  Quote: Ivan Tartugay
                  They will stand next to a Russian peasant for a plow or with a scythe, next to a Russian worker for a machine, i.e. next to the Russian people work, work, i.e. go with him, with Russia all the way.

                  You have strange ideas about work.
                  Pushkin in your classification is clearly a parasite
                  1. Ivan Tartugai
                    Ivan Tartugai 19 July 2018 17: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Pushkin in your classification is clearly a parasite

                    Distort.
                    Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp to Pushkin AS as to the far side of the moon.
                    The parasite Nicholas II Holstein-Gottorp, even according to your ideas about work.
          2. Ivan Tartugai
            Ivan Tartugai 18 July 2018 13: 05
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            In animals

            And the animals, and the kings, and the presidents, and the general secretaries.
            This is the norm.
            Before becoming king, he became president, became secretary general - think about children.
            The work-service of the king, president, secretary general exposes their children, their families to especially great danger. Anytime and anywhere.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 July 2018 13: 32
              +1
              Quote: Ivan Tartugay
              And the animals, and the kings, and the presidents, and the general secretaries.
              It norm.
              Before becoming king, he became president, became secretary general - think about children.
              The work-service of the king, president, secretary general exposes their children, their families to especially great danger. Anytime and anywhere.

              Examples of the "norm" in the 20 century (it is possible and 19th) extermination of children.
              1. I am Russian
                I am Russian 18 July 2018 18: 18
                +1
                Examples of the "norm" in the 20th century (and also the 19th) of the extermination of children.

                Do you think that deeper than the 19th century, examples are not relevant?
                Read the story, at least until the early Middle Ages of Europe.
                If you don’t want to talk about Europe, read the history of Russia before Prince Vladimir - there will be much cooler and more interesting plots there than in the Game of Thrones.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 July 2018 11: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: I'm Russian
                  You believe what's deeper 19 century examples are not relevant?
                  Read the story, at least until the early Middle Ages of Europe.
                  If you don’t want to talk about Europe, read the history of Russia before Prince Vladimir - there will be much cooler and more interesting plots there than in the Game of Thrones.

                  Yeah, before the time of eating rivals yes
          3. I am Russian
            I am Russian 18 July 2018 18: 13
            +1
            Bravely denied and remained Emperor to the end

            1. Renounced the authority given by God. The coward is shameful.
            Paul, the first to die, did not deny - honor and praise be to him for centuries.
            In animals

            2. When there is a struggle for power, a change of order is other moral principles. Read the story, Machiavelli, for a start, and through the prism of the philistine moral norm, it’s stupid to look at it, one-dimensionally.
            Yes? the murders of all the Romanovs, except for the Emperor, were carefully hidden: for some reason your idols were embarrassed. Were smarter, you see, followers

            3. It has never been hidden, you live in some other reality.
            We are talking about the times of the Thief, have you forgotten? And then these banners (Romanovs) were TENS, including the LIVING EMPRESS Maria Feodorovna (wife of Alexander III). You, I see, are not even aware that there was such a.

            4. I don’t give a damn about the Romanovs. They, their gang brought the Great Country to such a state, pulled the common people into a bloody, unnecessary war. The people paid them all in full.
            5. We turn to the person who the empress was there anyway; I don’t have Russian blood in them for a long time.
            Your idols are all-destroyed (Russian Cross and 91 years old).

            6. I have no idols, there are only historical figures that inspire respect from me.
            About 91 years old is a separate tale.
            PS
            Quote: I am Russian
            whose court, what are you talking about ?!
            Russian Federation.

            But the court of the Russian Federation did not condemn the Tatar-Mongol invasion, at the same time as the execution of citizen Romanov? hi
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 July 2018 11: 09
              +2
              Quote: I'm Russian
              1. Renounced the authority given by God. The coward is shameful.

              Courageous deed-sacrifice "In the name of AVOIDING fratricidal massacre and unity of the people"
              Quote: I'm Russian
              .When there is a struggle for power, a change of order - other moral principles

              The principles for children, women are ALWAYS the same
              Quote: I'm Russian
              It has never been hidden, you live in some other reality

              Dear Russian, well, read for yourself how they busted: there is no educational program
              Quote: I'm Russian
              I don’t give a damn about the Romanovs. They, their gang brought the Great Country to such a state, pulled the common people into a bloody, unnecessary war. The people paid them all in full.

              This is the story of RUSSIA. You spit on her
              Quote: I'm Russian
              We pass on to the person who the Empress was there anyway; I don’t have Russian blood in them for a long time.

              Which person has suffered? belay
              Quote: I'm Russian
              I have no idols, there are only historical figures that inspire respect from me.
              About 91 years old is a separate tale.
              PS

              The 91st and the Republic of Kazakhstan are the result of October 1917.
              Quote: I'm Russian
              But the court of the Russian Federation did not condemn the Tatar-Mongol invasion, at the same time as the execution of citizen Romanov?

              And you, contact the statement there and see! hi
              1. Sweetheart
                Sweetheart 19 July 2018 11: 28
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                The courageous act is to sacrifice oneself "In the name of AVOIDING fratricidal massacre and unity of the people"

                The cowardly and most crippled way out and the addition of responsibility.
                Quote: Olgovich
                The principles for children, women are ALWAYS the same

                Whites had these principles ?? Tales when you stop telling?
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6QpN22tpc
                Quote: Olgovich
                Which person has suffered?

                here your suffers .. just what a lengthy and once from once more and more inadequate comments write out ..
                Quote: Olgovich
                The 91st and the Republic of Kazakhstan are the result of October 1917.

                complete nonsense. You olgovich saw the story in the corridors ran through. The only thing that would correct you moss. 91-counter-revolution, but this is something. It's a pity they didn’t listen. But 91 and later showed us where and who crawled out. and repainted at once. who were their ancestors ..

                Quote: Olgovich
                And you, contact the statement there and see!

                Not olgovich .. with your statements one office accepts, Serbsky Institute, go, check the reaction ..
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 July 2018 12: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  The cowardly and most reprehensible way out and the abdication of responsibility

                  The simplest act and the pretrusive one - saving his worthless skin, untie Gr. war against the people, as your foreign tourists from Switzerland did
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Whites had these principles ?? Tales when you stop telling?

                  All NORMAL people (to whom the murderers of the sovereign’s children do not belong)
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  here your suffers .. just what a lengthy and once from once more and more inadequate comments write out ..

                  Patients are always convinced that the doctor is not in the mind. lol
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  complete nonsense. You olgovich saw the story in the corridors ran through. The only thing that would correct you moss. 91-counter-revolution, but this is something. It's a pity they didn’t listen. But 91 and later showed us where and who crawled out. and repainted at once. who were their ancestors ..

                  This is FACT: 17g-91g .: the path under your leadership.
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  It’s a pity they didn’t listen to Stalin.

                  What else did you need someone?
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  Not olgovich .. with your statements one office accepts, Serbsky Institute, go check the reaction.

                  How do you know? An experience? lol
  29. Doliva63
    Doliva63 17 July 2018 20: 26
    +4
    "Why did they kill the Russian tsar?"
    Killed, and thank God. Perhaps they saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
  30. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 17 July 2018 20: 41
    +4
    at the time of death he was not king ... abdicated
  31. Catfish
    Catfish 17 July 2018 23: 42
    +3
    Quote: I am Russian
    Nobody killed the Russian Tsar; citizen Romanov and their family were killed.
    They killed that there would not be a living banner that they could follow and even more blood was shed.
    They did everything right.


    For a long time, and without this article, everyone knows the nationality of those who gave the order for the murder, and those who directly carried out the action. All these people were Jews.

    Do you mean Russian?

    I don't give a damn about spineless Nikolashka, but killing children is killing children. And for this they hang in any normal mode. By the way, I.V. Stalin eventually figured out all the main organizers of levorussia. hi
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 18 July 2018 00: 01
      +2
      And who needed these children ??? Arguing cynically: the daughters received the hemophilia gene from their mother, and not one normal crown prince would have married them. And the son was not a tenant anyway. In France, during their Great Revolution, both the king and queen were executed publicly with the hooting of the crowd, the son of Louis 17 was starved to death (after Napoleon, Louis 18 came to the throne) - and nothing !!! No one beats his head against the wall, doesn’t arrange religious processions, but on the contrary - July 14 - National holiday with a parade and fireworks.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 July 2018 09: 36
        +4
        Quote: nnz226
        А who needed these children ??? Arguing cynically: daughters received from mother Ghen hemophilia, and not one normal crown prince would marry such.

        You have a famous and ardent like-minded person. his name isabout Adolf Hitler.
        He even managed to do something to cleanse the nation of children-genetic "garbage" (operation T4). negative
    2. Ivan Tartugai
      Ivan Tartugai 18 July 2018 08: 02
      +2
      The Romanovs began their reign killing a 3 year old boy, Ivan Dmitrievich.
      Ivan Dmitrievich, the son of Marina Mnishek and False Dmitry II, gave him the nickname “Ivashka Voryonok”.
      They were so afraid that the throne would be taken from them. They did not dare to kill and execute Marina, so as not to spoil relations with the Poles. And her son Ivan dared to execute, death by hanging. They also told the ambassadors that “Ivashka was executed for his evil deeds and Marinkin’s son.” What “evil deeds” could a 3-year-old boy do.
      Before the execution, the boy was held on a chain to a neck collar for showing to residents of Moscow. The weight of the exhausted boy was extremely small, and the rope was wet and frozen, so the noose around the boy’s neck did not tighten. He hung on a rope for a long time, died in torment and from the cold.
      The Romanovs did all this to sit on the throne, to reign, to eat sweet, to drink sweetly.
      But the Romanovs reigned until 1730, and then all the trash with biron and other Germans reigned. And in 1761 they climbed the Russian throne, or rather they were dragged, as the representatives of the West Germans Holstein-Gottorp. In the 17th year, the West, as its representatives, the Holstein-Gottorp became no longer needed. They were denied entry to England, and then simply removed by the hands of super-revolutionaries.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 July 2018 13: 41
        +2
        Quote: Ivan Tartugay
        Ivan Dmitrievich, son of Marina Mnishek and False Dmitry II,

        killed in 1614 Mr.
        If you return to even earlier times, you will find that competitors are also ate! yes
        Apparently, we must thank the Bolsheviks for the fact that they just killed, dismembered, burned the children, but no ....

        All the same, they held on to the level 1614 g yes
        PS They have another amazing achievement, called "socially dangerous .... CHILDREN." These are the children of enemies fool
  32. nnz226
    nnz226 17 July 2018 23: 56
    +3
    And why did everyone (including the Russian Orthodox Church) rush about like durrraks with a written shell, with this "Tsarskoye Selo gopher" and its family of degenerates ??? What "distinguished" Nikolashka ??? Khodynka, Bloody Sunday, Lensky execution ??? Or a profane war with Japan? He abandoned the empire, "as the regiment surrendered" !!! And his wife? The hemophilia genome introduced into German blood, allegedly by the Russian Romanovs? Daughters also became (from mother) carriers of this gene and not a single crown prince in their right mind would have married such people ... Only daddy - laughed, leading to Rasputin .... And the son was not a tenant anyway ... And where merits to the country ??? And why aren’t 2000 St. Petersburg workers, their wives and children shot on the streets of the capital of this “king-priest” 9 January 1905 year ???
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 18 July 2018 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: nnz226
      And why 2000 St. Petersburg workers, their wives and children shot on the streets of the capital are not counted among the sufferers

      It’s you, my friend, that you have turned down - about the 2000 Petersburg workers who were shot, your imagination and fantasies are overdeveloped.
  33. sleeve
    sleeve 18 July 2018 04: 55
    -1
    Lenin did not insist on the trial of Nicholas. He understood that the sweeping accusation of "tyranny" and not a single proven violation of the law could and would make Nikolai a martyr. Trotsky was a champion of the trial, as evidenced by several transcripts of meetings of the Council of People's Commissars. The loss of control over the territories, the weakening of the country's controllability strengthened the possibility of the liberation of Nicholas and his removal abroad, which would naturally give rise to a new symbol of resistance to the Soviet regime. The conjuncture of the moment has changed. Now no solutions were required. Embittered people "without a king in their head" were enough in Yekaterinburg. The fate of the emperor is similar and not similar to other fates of the monarchs. They tried to destroy almost all riots and revolutions immediately as a symbol of what they are destroying. If Romanov played at least some important role in the political alignment of the outbreak of civil war, he would have been destroyed much earlier. Then the order of the leadership was necessary. But no ... Fierce confrontation did their job better than any order. A lot of goals have been achieved. The king is killed and eliminated one of the symbols of resistance. The legal successors of the treasures exported for the Boundary were destroyed, with Nikolai the secret part of the calculations and the export of valuables to Britain, Japan was gone. The one who could claim it has gone into oblivion. The one whose signatures were under additional agreements in the Entente. After the murder, the Bolsheviks became tied with blood. The stigma of “regicide” and even such cruelty was still a serious argument in those years.
  34. antiexpert
    antiexpert 18 July 2018 09: 01
    0
    The author forgot to add that the accession to the throne of the Romanov family is also the work of the world behind the scenes, for which Trotsky also worked, the Romanovs were preliminarily poisoned by Ivan the Terrible and his relatives.
  35. Yuri Litvinenko
    Yuri Litvinenko 18 July 2018 14: 56
    +1
    Gopnik,
    That is, if I’m not mistaken for a foreigner, Robinson seems like that was his name, but according to reports of zemstvo doctors of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
    1. Gopnik
      Gopnik 18 July 2018 16: 30
      -1
      So he used them. According to your quote from Brockhaus, you get supermortality that year in the region of 750 thousand. But this is all over the country, and not in the provinces swept by hunger.
  36. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 18 July 2018 15: 15
    +3
    [quote = Olgovich] [quote = naidas]
    Evidence of starvation deaths after 1891 on the table!

    You're welcome:
    “They called me to confess,” said the Karmal priest Father Nikitin, “I see, they are lying, they cannot move their hands.”
    “What is the matter with you?” I say.
    "There is nothing, father."
    I communed them, confessed them, and then ... and buried them.
    ... - What disease do you think they died of?
    - I don’t know ... they complained of only one weakness, and she came, to know, from hunger.

    They die as they live. Not audible, invisible. I saw people whom hunger led to a rope. But these are exceptional natures, and the very cases are exceptional. Russian peasant death is silent. Our man, even dying of hunger, as if trying not to disturb the gracious bosses, as he knows that this bosses already has a lot of worries about him ...

    • “Two old women in my parish died,” another scared father told me.
    - From hunger?
    “Yes,” he said cautiously.

    But there are still starvation deaths. They only take a different, inconspicuous, eye-catching form. In Russia, they simply starve, and starve to death just as easily. “Not spectacular.” We are gradually becoming exhausted and tearing.
    The organism breaks down from all this. Stronger withstand, weak lay on the bed. Some kind of microbe flies into the exhausted organism, - there are clouds in the village, - and a person dies ..
    “From what did he die?” They ask
    . - From typhoid fever.
    Или:
    —From fever ...
    From a fever ...
    And sometimes clearer:
    - Weakened ... and died.
    They call diseases, but do not talk about hunger. And, meanwhile, it is obvious that the primary source of death is malnutrition, in other words, hunger. But sometimes strong examples of such a death strike us in the eye, which the village speaks bluntly:
    - From hunger
    (Pankratov A.S. “Without bread, chap.“ The Famine of 1911-1912 ”)
  37. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 18 July 2018 15: 21
    +3
    [quote = Olgovich] [quote = zoolu350]
    eat and dress also good, as in 1913, the Russian people could already through ...40 years continuous "improvement" of life.

    It depends on what kind of person. There were people (village) claiming that "they began to live well, as the collective farms went"
  38. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 18 July 2018 15: 48
    +2
    [quote = bober1982] [quote = The Ural comrades had no right to take a step aside,. [/ quote]

    And the fact that they did not recognize the Brest Peace and declared themselves at war with Germany, too, with the permission of Sverdlov?
  39. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 18 July 2018 16: 03
    +3
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    In 1913, in Russia, the crop of the main cereals was 1/3 higher than that of Argentina, Canada and Soed. States combined.

    About the harvest - an old fairy tale.
    But about a good life under the king ...
    Even the whites proclaimed to the civic idea of ​​the monarchy only "individual dumbasses" (according to Ya. A. Slashchev), the Germans promised to preserve socialism in the Great Patriotic War leaflets and refused to accept white emigrants to the service, because it would "give food already active Soviet propaganda, convincing the Russian people that reactionaries, gold miners, landowners come with the German troops "(Zherebkov)
    The Vlasovites in the Prague manifesto called the tsarist regime “obsolete”, “who did not want and could not destroy the causes that created social injustice, the remnants of serfdom, economic and cultural backwardness” and set as their goal “the return to the peoples of Russia of the rights they won in the people's revolution 1917. "

    It turns out that contemporaries did not see everything that neo-monarchists see now?
  40. tank66
    tank66 18 July 2018 17: 11
    +2
    And whose name is Jacob Schiff / with a capital letter, only from the recognition that he was great in dirty tricks / not pronounced? Not one, of course, worked, but one of the few who officially declared Nicolas2 as his enemy gave away / from the confirmed / 20 Lyamas TGA Tellers / right now like billions / of "personal savings" to Trotsky, all sorts of Joints, AROs, "Guardians Helping Jews - evicted by the tsarist government from the war zone, WWI-so as not to spy on Germany, "why the population of St. Petersburg grew in a couple of years from 1 to 3 million ...
    Who was telling Kerensky that the American-Jewish bankers from Vladik, who were looking after RI, would travel across Russia on the train in which Nicolas 2 signed the resignation ....
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  41. naidas
    naidas 18 July 2018 19: 33
    +1
    Gopnik,
    Olgovich denies read his post, and you are a liar chatting about starvation, maybe even a hidden commie?
  42. azmoleg
    azmoleg 18 July 2018 21: 32
    0
    verse about the king https://www.stihi.ru/2017/03/19/9621
  43. Catfish
    Catfish 18 July 2018 23: 15
    +3
    Quote: nnz226
    And who needed these children ??? Arguing cynically: the daughters received the hemophilia gene from their mother, and not one normal crown prince would have married them. And the son was not a tenant anyway. In France, during their Great Revolution, both the king and queen were executed publicly with the hooting of the crowd, the son of Louis 17 was starved to death (after Napoleon, Louis 18 came to the throne) - and nothing !!! No one beats his head against the wall, doesn’t arrange religious processions, but on the contrary - July 14 - National holiday with a parade and fireworks.


    What does "who needed these children" mean? Children are just children themselves! And nothing more, just children, whom any NORMAL person, regardless of gender and age, will protect from the vicissitudes of life. I repeat: NORMAL person. Judging by your statements, you can not be attributed to the category of "normal" people even with a stretch.
    As for France: it’s absolutely all the same to me who and how they cut someone. If you like it, run and "hoot" along with the ... oh crowd. For example, from childhood I was taught to move in the exact opposite direction from the running crowd. And please, do not “bang your head against the wall”, it, the wall, is for another: it’s possible to put it on occasion. And the National Holidays of different nations are also different, like, say, the Eater of the Eater somewhere in the depths of the African continent. I don’t know about the parades with salutes, God was merciful, I didn’t have to. Take a trip, look, try - they eat kids from other tribes there for breakfast. Do you have any kids? Then forward - I wish you success ... drinks
  44. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 19 July 2018 03: 29
    -1
    For the author, there is no worse cat than Trotsky.
    Obviously enough, the royal family was killed by secret order of Sverdlov. At that time, she was in Yekaterinburg, because the Ural City Council repulsed her from Commissioner Yakovlev, who was trying to take her west to Moscow. Officially - for the national court; in fact, it is possible, by order of Lenin, for ... transferring them to the Germans. (Lenin, on the other hand, was obsessed with the German revolution, and for that he needed good relations with Germany. Hence the Brest Peace. The Romanovs would be a truly royal gift.) Sverdlov, apparently, knew this and ordered his family not to be allowed to go to Moscow.
    And then he completely ordered to liquidate - in defiance of Lenin, who had played with the world revolution and let the revolution in Russia drift. (By the way, he was then nominated for ... the Nobel Peace. But after the outbreak of terror his candidacy fell away.) And since Lenin continued to skimp on Russian events, he was also instructed with bullets at the Michelson factory. But this is a completely different story.
  45. Samarskiy
    Samarskiy 19 July 2018 19: 00
    -1
    In general, Lenin would be good, if not for Trotsky’s bastard, then they would peacefully drink tea in the Kremlin Ilyich and Nikolai No. 2. And they would look at the "golden age" and be glad that the Soviet people live so freely (GULAG), luxuriously (hunger) and cheerfully (collectivization). Maybe they would not even have ruined the church, but would have held parades of Komsomol members combined with the procession.
    1. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 22 July 2018 11: 05
      +3
      Quote: Samarskiy
      with the procession.

      Enjoy the course of the stupefied and duped in Yo-burg. Do you already have enough of this?
  46. Karenius
    Karenius 22 July 2018 14: 36
    -1
    Sweetheart,
    Could not give facts, only speculation.
    I was once told that when Dro, with his squad in uniform, went into the field, Bagramyan himself wrote the letter to him like an Armenian to an Armenian, and he didn’t show this even for a “tick”.
  47. Yak28
    Yak28 22 July 2018 18: 28
    +1
    Nicholas scoured the country, for which he was punished. The murder of the entire royal family was the right and far-sighted decision, so that in case the government betray the country, the tsar’s relatives didn’t lead Russia again, and such a betrayal happened in 1991. I look with regret at the poor characters who wear icons depicting the king of the loser, and consider him saints, and supposedly his bones lol
  48. Looking for
    Looking for 28 August 2018 15: 59
    -1
    Why did they kill Charles I, Louis XVI?
  49. Looking for
    Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 12
    -1
    Quote: Olgovich
    This is the fault of the same Communists (their essence did not change as a result of the name change), who arranged in the same 91 meters the same cruelty for breaking up the system that they built in 1917.

    No, the Russophobic coup in 1991 was staged not by the Communists, but by "democratic" forces, in simple terms. Western lackeys.
  50. Looking for
    Looking for 28 August 2018 16: 33
    -1
    Quote: Olgovich
    Lying. And sadly stupid.
    Reply

    Indeed, it does not fit into your axioms about the general welfare of Ingushetia under the tsar-"priest"