INSAS: 420 rifle


Good, huh? I mean the beauty of the formal uniform! And for some reason, it’s very unusual for us to carry our INSAS assault rifles. Probably more militant ...


I will dress like a picture
I'm in japanese boots
In a big Russian hat,
But with an Indian soul.

I'm in American socks
In tight trousers I'm Spanish
In a big Russian hat,
but with an Indian soul.

Song of Raj Kapoor from the movie "Mr. 420"


Weapon and firms. It is unclear why, but many states want to have their own weapons - instead of buying them from those who get it best. They want to want something ... But whether something worthwhile is obtained from this “desire”, the question is different. Here, for example, India. Since the late 1950s, the Indian army has been armed with a copy of the locally produced English L1A1 self-loading rifle. But in the mid-1980s, Indians needed their own 5,56 mm caliber rifle to replace this outdated specimen. Tests of various prototypes were carried out on the basis of AKM, because what other weapons fight better in the desert and the jungle than our usual Kalashnikov? The samples presented were tested by the Armament Research Institute (ARDE) in Pune. The tests were completed in 1990, in general, successfully, after which the Indian Small Arms System (INSAS) was adopted. In order to send all Lee-Enfield rifles to warehouses as quickly as possible (apparently, this was critically important for the country's defense), in 1990–1992. India acquired another 100.000 pieces of 7,62 × 39 mm AKM assault rifles. Moreover, machine guns were purchased in Russia, in Hungary, Romania and even in Israel.


INSAS in all its glory ... But that's strange. They live in the tropics, in the jungle, where every tree is full. And the “hardware” for the machine was made of plastic

Whatever it was, but in the end, INSAS entered service. Production is carried out at the small arms factory in Kanpur and in the Ishaporsky arsenal. The INSAS assault rifle is today the standard weapon of Indian infantrymen.

INSAS: 420 rifle

Rifle in battle

Initially, the INSAS system was planned to have three samples: a rifle, a carbine (in fact, our machine gun) and a light machine gun (LMG). In 1997, the rifle and LMG went into mass production, and in 1998 the first INSAS rifles were shown at the Independence Day parade. But then the introduction of the rifle in the army had to be postponed due to the banal lack of ammunition 5,56 × 45 mm, which in large quantities had to be bought again from Israel.

INSAS was a copy of AKM, but ... improved. The barrel has a chrome finish. There are six grooves in the trunk. The long-stroke gas piston and rotary shutter are very similar to the AKM / AK-47 counterparts. But there are differences - these are the very “improvements”. First of all, this is a manual gas regulator, taken from the FN FAL, and the barrel design, which allows you to shoot grenades put on it. The reload handle was placed on the left, like the HK33, and as a switch of fire modes. The machine is equipped with a cutoff of three shots. The rate of fire averages 650 rds / min. Transparent plastic stores were borrowed from Austrian Steyr AUG. There are 20- and 30-charge stores. The sight is located in the breech and is designed for firing at 400 meters. The handle and fore-end can be made of wood or polymer. The fore-end and the grip differ primarily from the AKM in that they are more similar to the same parts from the Galil rifle. Some options got a folding butt. The bayonet is provided. There is a mount for it.


At one time, about the friendship of Russians and Indians in India they said: “Bhai gangs!” - "Children of the same breath." In 2015, the Indians and I held joint exercises of the "brothers in arms." Our left, Indian right

During the 1999 Kargil War in the Himalayas, rifles were used high in the mountains. Complaints of jamming, cracking of stores due to the cold, and automatic switching of the rifle to automatic fire were noted when it was configured to fire a burst of three rounds. When shooting from a greased rifle, oil splashed into the eyes of an arrow. Some shooting injuries were also reported. In 2001, the army received the 1B1 model with increased reliability following the results of this war, but it had other problems, for example, shops began to break down.

The Nepalese army, which also received these Indian assault rifles, faced a similar problem. In August 2005, after 43 soldiers were killed during the fighting in the mountains, a representative of the Nepalese army called this machine substandard. In response, the Indian Embassy issued a statement in which it rejected all claims and explained the problems of the improper use of weapons, after which training was offered to Nepalis on "proper" use.


INSAS with black plastic parts

On August 8, 2011, Pallam Raju, then Minister of State for Defense of India, said in an interview with the Lock Sabha newspaper that all the defects had been fixed. Soon a press release was issued at the Ministry of Defense, in which it reported on the number and characteristics of injuries sustained when firing from INSAS since 2009. The statement also recognized the problem of oil splashes, which was reported in 2003, and stated that the problem was completely resolved. All injuries are due to improper use of the rifle and ... substandard materials from which some instances are made.

But all these encouraging statements ended up being a dummy.

In November 2014, the army proposed removing INSAS from service, as reliability problems were not resolved. In December 2014, an investigation was carried out of the discovered deficiencies already in the parliament committee. It came to a hearing in the Supreme Court. But why rifles with initially low quality were put into service, it was not possible to find out. But in April 2015, the Indian government in some parts of the INSAS rifle was replaced by Kalashnikovs. Then, at the beginning of 2017, it was announced that INSAS rifles should be discontinued and replaced with rifles capable of firing 7,62 × 51-mm NATO ammunition. In March 2019, Indian media reported that INSAS will be replaced with Russian AK-203 assault rifles manufactured in India as part of a joint venture.


LMG (Light Machine Gun), that is, a light machine gun, which differs from a standard army rifle in that it has a range of 700 m compared to a range of 400 m with standard INSAS rifles. He has a longer and heavier trunk with a modified cut, and equipped with bipods. The LMG version also uses 30-round magazines, but you can also insert short 20-magazine rifle magazines into it. From this machine gun, you can fire both single shots and fully automatically

The Excalibur assault rifle with a range of 400 m, which is lighter and shorter than the INSAS automatic assault rifle, should have become an improved INSAS model. In July 2015, it was reported that INSAS may be replaced by a modified INSAS rifle (MIR), which is nothing but one of the Excalibur rifle options. This decision was made by General Dalbir Singh, who again wanted his own, "national" rifle. It was also reported that another prototype of the Excalibur, AR-2, was being prepared, in which the 7,62 × 39-mm cartridge from the AK-47 would be used.


On the basis of INSAS, a shortened Amog carbine with a firing range of 200 m was developed

The Excalibur prototype has a right-angle gas outlet on the barrel to reduce recoil and a traditional switch for automatic and single firing modes. But it was decided not to use the regime with a cutoff of three shots on it. By September 2015, the sample was tested in water and mud, and the four foreign rifles that participated in this tender did not pass them. It was also reported that 200 rifles were produced, which are due to be officially tested at the end of 2015. And it seems that Indian machines also successfully passed these tests.

But in September 2019, the Ministry of Defense of India announced a new tender for the purchase of 185.000 rifles already caliber 7,62 × 51 mm. But since the tender procedure may again stretch for several years, and the INSAS rifles, as stated, are “hopelessly outdated,” the military department decided to purchase 5,56-mm Mark I Excalibur assault rifles as a “temporary weapon”. And they will be used in the army until the introduction of the new 7,62 mm rifles. From the basic version of INSAS, the Excalibur rifle is distinguished by a reduced weight, a shortened barrel (400 mm) and the presence of Picatinny rail. In fact, it is precisely the shortened automaton that was originally planned in the INSAS system. The new machine guns will primarily be armed with specialized anti-insurgent units of the Indian ground forces.


Escaliburs are ready for battle!

All countries have a custom to be proud that their military equipment and weapons are in demand elsewhere. That is, they sell them internationally, so to speak. And India is no exception! She managed to promote her INSAS assault rifles into service with the Royal Army of Bhutan, as well as in Nepal. Since 2001, the Nepalese army has received about 26.000 rifles supplied by India with a subsidy of 70%. They ended up in Oman: in 2010, the Royal Omani Army began using INSAS rifles, sent in accordance with the defense agreement signed between India and Oman in 2003. And they are also used by the African Republic of Swaziland. Involuntarily I recall the saying: tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are.

Well, the "principle of 420", or, in Russian speaking, with a pine forest, as a whole, when applied to the creation of weapons, is not bad and even works very well. It works, but only in those cases when it is used by talented people. Artisans can use it, but their crafts come out "artisan".
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 11 2020 05: 41 New
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    The second article of the Author on Saturday! Moderators pamper us, pamper !!!
    1. Catfish April 11 2020 06: 06 New
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      Hello, Vlad! Well, still Saturday, and you can please the public. smile drinks
    2. kalibr April 11 2020 07: 19 New
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      Tomorrow will be, Vladislav, do not worry!
      1. Mister X April 11 2020 10: 57 New
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        hi
        Does INSAS have a butt plate for metal ?!
      2. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 15: 30 New
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        And another question to the author, do you consider Indians to be thieves? 420 is the nickname for thieves. They honestly buy licenses!
  2. Catfish April 11 2020 06: 04 New
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    Good morning everyone and have a nice day! hi
    Vyacheslav Olegich, thanks for the article, but I would like to see a photo of this "Escalibur", otherwise all the photos have the same unsuccessful INSAS rifle. In the photo of the shortened Amog carbine, under the weapon there is a plate with the designation of the caliber “56 mm Amjgh”, the machine was developed by Ordnance Factory Board under the 5,56 × 30 mm MINSAS cartridge, it would be necessary to write about this cartridge, otherwise incomprehensible results. In fact, this is a submachine gun under a shortened standard NATO cartridge 5,56 x 45, but what does it have to do with an assault rifle, is there one scheme? Also unclear. request
    1. kalibr April 11 2020 07: 01 New
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      Konstantin! I agree. But very little information. Less than that of the Japanese. And about Escalibur there is nothing at all.
    2. Aleksandr72 April 11 2020 07: 47 New
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      5.56 × 30 mm MINSAS - pistol cartridge, created on the basis of a shortened intermediate cartridge for hitting protected targets in high-speed combat at short distances. The main characteristics are close to most pistol cartridges, but provides an effective firing range of 200 to 300 meters. Manufactured by the Indian company Ordnance Factories Board for PDW Modern Sub Machine Carbine (MSMC). It is considered to be derived from the Colt MARS experimental system, using a 30 mm long bottle sleeve and a lightweight steel core bullet.

      The shortened carbine (and more precisely - the submachine gun, and more precisely the PDW - personal defense weapon) Amog basically has the receiver of the Excalibur assault rifle. Like the original machine gun, Amog is based on the principle of removal of powder gases and a rotary shutter with a long piston stroke (an interesting solution for automatic weapons under a pistol cartridge!).
      Another photo of Excalibur:
      1. Catfish April 11 2020 07: 50 New
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        Thank you, Alexander. hi Finally I saw a rifle. smile
      2. Undecim April 11 2020 08: 20 New
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        At the bottom is Excalibur, at the top is Amogh.
        Information is a mass.
        1. kalibr April 11 2020 08: 28 New
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          Well, that means she wasn’t able to find her ...
      3. Undecim April 11 2020 09: 02 New
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        (An interesting solution for automatic weapons under a pistol cartridge!).

        Heckler & Koch MP7 chambered for 4,6 × 30 mm. Gas venting, locking by turning the shutter.
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      Eug 31 May 2020 07: 55 New
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      Excuse me, not in the subject of the article - is there any sense in principle to shorten 5.56x45 to 5.56x30? Isn't it easier to put less gunpowder in a standard sleeve while maintaining the possibility of using a weapon under 5.56x45? Or is powder compaction so important?
  3. mmaxx April 11 2020 06: 09 New
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    INSAS in all its glory ... But that's strange. They live in the tropics, in the jungle, where every tree is full. And the “hardware” for the machine was made of plastic
    In India, all wood with terrible speed is consumed by termites. no
    1. kalibr April 11 2020 07: 00 New
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      Not all. I know at least one house where wooden columns have been standing for 100 years. They are ebony!
      1. mmaxx April 11 2020 10: 22 New
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        wink
        I think that ebony in India is not enough for machines. Plastic is easier. Winter is not there.
      2. Simargl April 12 2020 19: 08 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        They are ebony!
        The machine will be 3 times more expensive. And one and a half times harder ...
    2. tima_ga April 14 2020 02: 52 New
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      It’s not necessary to let termites into weapons, though, knowing turkeys ... This is more than likely
      1. mmaxx April 14 2020 05: 48 New
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        Termites are cockroaches. They are very difficult to defeat. And defeating insects in India is generally impossible. We can’t even imagine how many there are.
        1. tima_ga April 15 2020 16: 20 New
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          I imagine :) He lived there for seven years ...
  4. Amateur April 11 2020 06: 13 New
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    I still did not understand which cartridge the Indians use: 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 5.56x45, or even some kind of their own?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 11 2020 07: 11 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      I still did not understand which cartridge the Indians use: 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 5.56x45, or even some kind of their own?

      Almost a mustache above you !!!
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      2. Amateur April 11 2020 07: 21 New
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        So this is dancing with tambourines, not logistics. Unless some kind of learned brahmana lying on a board with nails can tell you exactly which box with which cartridges to carry to which part. Bollywood however!
    2. ssergey1978 April 11 2020 09: 22 New
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      5.45x39 I think they do not use it, few people use it at all.
      1. Amateur April 11 2020 10: 07 New
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        5.45x39 I think they do not use it at all few use.

        Do you think that shooting based on the AK-74 is exotic? But I still think that Vee completely confused something and mixed it up. request
        1. ssergey1978 April 11 2020 10: 47 New
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          Exotic is 5.45x39 fellow Chukchi or who you are. For even when the Soviet Union imposed this caliber in the 80s of eastern Europe, this very Europe strongly resisted. Now, at all, no one needs him except for Comrade Assad for free. Shot on the basis of AK74M is under 7.62x39, 5.56x45, 7.62x51
      2. Alexey Lobanov April 11 2020 22: 55 New
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        Quote: ssergey1978
        5.45x39 I think they do not use it, few people use it at all.

        1. ssergey1978 April 11 2020 23: 05 New
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          AND? What did you want to say with this resochnik? Who shot this with this caliber uses? Right, not who.
          1. Alexey Lobanov April 11 2020 23: 08 New
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            Quote: ssergey1978
            AND? What did you want to say with this resochnik? Who shot this with this caliber uses? Right, not who.

            I wanted to say that the Jews will not do it in vain. :)))
            1. ssergey1978 April 11 2020 23: 11 New
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              Come on, Jews are also mistaken, a commercial project, who will buy it? Commercial sales in the Russian Federation have confirmed the viability of this cartridge.
              1. Alexey Lobanov April 11 2020 23: 16 New
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                For hunting? When the market has been littered with carbines under 223 for ten years? Let's wait 10 years, and compare. But then we are talking about military army weapons, and not hunting. You are probably one of those people who claim that the 5.45 bullet bounces off grass and leaves in the forest and changes its path. :)
                1. ssergey1978 April 11 2020 23: 19 New
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                  No, I'm one of those people who sees an advantage of 223 on all counts. 5.45x39 doesn’t have more than one advantage; therefore, it hasn’t taken root except in the CIS. Obviously shot from your drawing focused on Ukraine
                  1. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 00: 07 New
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                    Quote: ssergey1978
                    who sees an advantage of 223 on all counts

                    220 against 223 - an eternal debate, it has not really ended in any forum. For me, there are no advantages, obvious - for sure. And 7n40 is just a song.
                    1. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 00: 14 New
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                      I beg your pardon for a quick glance about this cartridge, the initial speed of 810 ms did not see the weight of the bullet. I believe accuracy is achieved due to a decrease in the recoil momentum. 810ms for a small-caliber cartridge is nothing
                      1. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 01: 31 New
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                        Quote: ssergey1978
                        I believe accuracy is achieved due to a decrease in the recoil momentum

                        No, bullet weight and ballistics.
                    2. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 00: 19 New
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                      The advantage in kinetic energy of 1300 versus 1900 J is not obvious.
                      7n40 810 m.s. s 109 950 m.s. is it not explicit?
                      1. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 01: 39 New
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                        Well, let's be honest, 950 is on the M16, a half meter with a bit - the trunk. The M4 has a maximum of 920, the AK-74 * 7N22 gives 910 m / s with the best heap from a ballistic barrel. Maybe it's not a cartridge, but the fact that for comparison they take different guns ..
                        223 is the essence of a hunting cartridge, 5.45 is a combat cartridge, it is more universal for war, with a large reserve of modernization.
                      2. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 01: 59 New
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                        Why is 5.56 hunting? because he grew from 222? So it’s right to run in the civilian market, where people vote in rubles. They are also doing it in the Russian Federation. The potential is greater in 223 caliber. It is more universal (when I chose my weapon I wanted to take 223 but at the last moment changed my mind on 7.62x39
                      3. Alexfly April 12 2020 12: 27 New
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                        Do not tell me, dear, and what are you going to hunt: 5,56 or 5,45? Could it be jerboas?
                      4. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 12: 39 New
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                        In Buryatia from Saigi MK03 5.56 calmly hunt bears and wild boars. What's the problem? I personally hunted boars from Saigi 410 more than once.
                      5. Alexfly April 12 2020 13: 09 New
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                        Well, if you’re a Voroshilov shooter and shoot a bear in the eye with 200 m, then of course it’s understandable ... and half-swept. 410 is not quite suitable for hunting wild boars, the energy of a bullet is small to kill a wild boar immediately, the option with wounded animals is more than likely, I do not beg your ability to shoot accurately. About millet to myself: I started hunting from the age of 12, at first as a squire, naturally ... now .308 and 30.06
                      6. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 13: 28 New
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                        Strange you are a hunter. Where the Voroshilov arrow can be found in the forest 200 meters, in 90% of cases in the Siberian taiga they shoot within 30-40 meters. In the eye is not necessary. Energy 5.56x45 is enough for the eyes. Personally, I hunt with 7.62x39 the Barnaul half-shell is happy as an elephant. 410 even a wolf doesn’t feel shocks (even Barnaul also), but I like a precise and fast gun (a paradox but the most prey gun)
                    3. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 13: 49 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      I personally hunted boars from Saigi 410 more than once.

                      Well, if only - point blank :), I myself had a saiga 410, I know firsthand. Well, let’s leave it on your conscience.
                      In occasion of 223 and ours: 223 - hunting because in terms of dimensions no development was laid in it. You won’t lengthen the bullet, because of the long sleeve (if you take into account the standard dimensions of the stores), then you won’t change the mass (I’m talking about combat, not about hunting lead). At 220 Russian bullet length can vary by 1.5-2 times, respectively - the mass of the bullet for different tasks. The mass of gunpowder can be easily increased, the mass of the bullet can be reduced - 1000 meters per second.
                    4. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 14: 07 New
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                      Strange conclusion, and the volume of the sleeve do not care? It is necessary to disperse the bullet. Already 4 grams in the winter of 415 mm trunk gives 770 ms. that is, there is no point in this caliber. 7.62 x39 Barnaul from the same barrel 415 mm gives 740 ms with a bullet of 8 grams. 5.56x45 has a hydrostroke; it is pronounced in 5.45x39 it is almost absent therefore it is suitable only for small things, unlike 5.56. For 410 and for short, I didn’t say the opposite. OD is not from the word at all, but accuracy and speed allow large objects to be laid down.
                    5. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 14: 15 New
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                      The cartridge M193 has a lead core, but at 990ms it sews well. Physics says that static signs sew solid signs (speed is not important) loose kinematics (energy) at 5.45 are not the same and that’s why they are forced to go out inventing bullets with different cores
                    6. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 15: 00 New
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                      Speaking about the potential of 5.45, I had in mind a huge reserve for modernization, namely in terms of changing the geometry of the bullet. Gunpowder will come up with a better, more powerful. Speed ​​will increase. But the limitations on the geometry of the bullet can not get around. Our bullet is perfect in ballistics, longer and sharper. And it can be made twice as heavy as the 223 bullet, with the same geometry limitations.
                    7. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 15: 13 New
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                      The volume of the sleeve sways to me more importantly it helps to increase the weight of the bullet. The small volume of the sleeve 5.45x39 is a necessary measure which limits the capabilities of the cartridge. I think shoving a tungsten core is much more difficult than stupidly dispersing lead. And I settle in the pool of 7 grams for 5.45x39. At 810 ms there is no advantage in a direct shot. no property demolished by the wind
                    8. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 15: 27 New
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                      If you extend the 5.56 bullet to a length of 5.45, it will be about 6 grams. :) The volume of the sleeve gives only the volume of gunpowder, not the size of the bullet. Once again, powder can be made more perfect and squeeze more calories into a smaller volume, you can’t squeeze a bullet into a smaller size.
                    9. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 15: 36 New
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                      So what better gunpowder has not yet been invented because it is easier to make a heavy bullet? as far as I know the weight of the bullet, the caliber is the same for 5.45x39 and 5.56x45
                    10. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 15: 40 New
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                      With the same caliber and bullet weight, you took that the 5.45x39 bullet is longer than the s 109 bullet
                    11. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 15: 50 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      With the same caliber and bullet weight, you took that the 5.45x39 bullet is longer than the s 109 bullet


                      Maybe it will convince you?
                    12. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 15: 56 New
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                      No, it’s not convincing, if there is time, go to the Hansa, there they disassembled and froze the bullets, if you do not believe the physics
                    13. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 16: 09 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      No, it’s not convincing, if there is time, go to the Hansa, there they disassembled and froze the bullets, if you do not believe the physics

                      I believe physics, I love her very much :), I also believe in the Hanseatic League, I love her very much, but! Different bullets were measured on the hansa, there was a puncture :). Well, let me draw you an x-ray of cartridges :). Given the curvature of the nose (which will throw a couple more grams).
                    14. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 16: 18 New
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                      Twenty five again. The drawing is your guess. You do not see the depth of the landing. what does different ammo mean? Now the mass of MMG cartridges I do not want to measure. Well, no arguing against physics.
                    15. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 16: 25 New
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                      Physicists cannot change the landing depth in any way! :) The bottom of the bullet cannot be lower than a certain liner line, otherwise problems with automation will go. This is the LAW. I drew about the landing depth. But believe me, she is. On the Hansa, the length of hunting ammunition was measured, with different weights and from different materials. Measure the length of ss109 and 7n10!
                    16. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 16: 32 New
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                      s109 24mm 7n10 25 mm wrote the same. measured MMG and not hunting. And how is hunting a bullet different from the M193?
                    17. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 16: 39 New
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                      If you ask for the size of hunting bullets, ask for a specific cartridge, there are hundreds of them! And for 24 and 25 mm - already add a gram and a half, plus a gram for a thinner nose. Total - 2-2.5 grams out of the blue, with a total bullet weight of 4 grams. :)
                    18. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 16: 46 New
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                      Once again, what is the difference between a shell hunting cartridge bullet and an M193 bullet with the same bullet weight? To admit about socks, I did not understand the weight, the length of the bullets is almost the same, the energy is greater at 5.56x45 due to the larger volume of the sleeve.
                    19. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 16: 59 New
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                      About M193 - there is a light bullet 55 grains, let's not take it into account. We take a bullet 62 grains ss109, the length of the bullet - 0,906 inches - somewhere 23mm. I think you will agree that this bullet is longer than the m193 bullet, but not 24mm :)
                      About the NOSIK bullet I explain, the less the curvature of the nose at the same length, the easier the bullet. PHYSICS. Well, and - geometry. In vain you argue, the length of the bullet 5.45 is greater than 5.56 by - at least 2-3 mm.
                    20. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 17: 21 New
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                      Even if I agree to these 3 mm, that they will give such a sacred. in 7.62x39 bullets 7.9, 8, 9 grams have the same speed and trajectory, the quality of production is such that the weight of the bullets walks, and you persistently prove that a couple of millimeters means something
                    21. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 17: 36 New
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                      Damn, I'm talking about Yerema, you're talking about Thomas to me! :) A couple of millimeters of bullet length - there is the essence of the possibility of crazy modifications and improvements, this is progress and steepness. This is the time reserve for 5.45 laid down by the genius of our designers. In fairness, I’ll say that ours made a cartridge with an eye on 223, which was already there, made it better and more durable.
                    22. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 18: 01 New
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                      The cartridge is so ingenious that no one wants to exploit it. Remember how our hunters dreamed of this caliber, and where are they now.? By the way, this cartridge works better with a bullet from 5.56.
                    23. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 18: 36 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      The cartridge is so ingenious that no one wants to exploit it. Remember how our hunters dreamed of this caliber, and where are they now.? By the way, this cartridge works better with a bullet from 5.56.

                      What kind of nonsense? Which hunters dreamed of this caliber? All who dreamed had stocks? :) Our market has long been crowded with 223 carbines and cartridges for them. And about 5.45 ...
                      Oh, I don’t know, one DPRK is worth 1400 thousand plus a reserve of 4000 thousand :)
                      I repeat once again, YOU confuse the hunting .223REM (all its forms, supposedly army - ss109, 193, 855, etc.) and the army 5.45x39. They have a printing press, we have a genius of designers. They are for hunting for unarmed contingent, we - to wet bad people. The unarmed contingent can be "consumed" by a simple hunting cartridge. But for the "exceptional" you need a normal army ammunition ...
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                      All successful cartridges occur after a break-in in the civilian market, this is normal and not a reason to call hunting and s109 or m193. Only totalitarian countries invent without break-in all the ingenious that no one needs, except for thanks. About the exceptional and simple, I did not understand at all.
                    25. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 19: 14 New
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                      Quote: ssergey1978
                      About the exceptional and simple, I did not understand at all.

                      It was sarcasm, a quote from Obama about their unlawful "exclusivity" :). About running in the civilian market - complete nonsense. What is for purchase, then there is in the civilian market. And do not carry nonsense about totalitarian countries, there is no country in the world more totalitarian than your beloved americosia. Iran is just a beacon of democracy, compared to the United States. Poor slaughtered illiterate people. Although Texas is in my heart! Let’s talk about Europe, there really is freedom (compared to amers) ... Now, in a pandemic, America shows the whole world that there is a totalitarian regime. American ghoul regime.
                    26. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 19: 35 New
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                      Actually, the AK200 e and Ak12 run in the saigas
                      SVDK ran around the Tiger 9.3 mm. Where is the nonsense?
                    27. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 20: 01 New
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                      It was only Yeltsin’s commerce, an attempt to stay afloat. They just tried to survive, no break-in. You are the owner of saiga 410! Do you have an even bar? :))) In Yeltsin's times, they drove marriage to the domestic market, with the army developments, this SHNYAGA has nothing to do! There is no hunting-civilian testing market, even in America.
                    28. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 20: 06 New
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                      Drunk galleries? In addition to 410 there is MK 7.62x39. Both are equal, MK two-minute. Blockages have always been common on SKSs.
                    29. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 20: 40 New
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                      Okay, mk - okay, there’s a real cliché, it was difficult to defective, you took a picture of the aiming line of your saiga 410, from the beginning of the aiming bar! This curve is aluminum crap on top. Maybe you live in Izhevsk? Taken from the factory? ........
                      MK two minute? On SCS blockages only from the curvature of the shooter! Br - rrrrrr, as if diving in the 90s!
                    30. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 20: 49 New
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                      I’m embarrassed to ask where in Saigi 410 aluminum.
                    31. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 22: 06 New
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                      Yes, the aiming plate above the gas outlet pipe is all aluminum. Or, you have some kind of new saiga, I took mine in 95th.
                    32. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 22: 14 New
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                      2004 410k04 automatic bar
                    33. Alexey Lobanov April 12 2020 22: 43 New
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                      Well, we figured it out: your saiga had a front sight and a rear sight, mine had a solid aluminum aiming strip between your front and rear sight, and at the end it had a copper front sight cylinder, like on 12-caliber smooth-bore guns, It was misaligned with tweak and shameful, like everything else ... I have a smoother level on the mr-153. Given the length of three times greater. At the same time, I chose a saiga from 5 copies, the most “non-crooked”. It was like that in the 90s.
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                They will not please saigas from the factory, but took the best one in Izhevsk.
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                And where is the 90th?
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                But with that. I wrote above. :)
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    Yes, and tracer bullets, what is their length?
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    I think no longer than our tracers. They interfere with the store, and okay. :)
  7. ssergey1978 April 12 2020 16: 25 New
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    Bingo. find an article on VO dated June 26, 2013 the main cartridge of the Cold War there are different sizes of bullets 5.56 from 20 to 24 mm. be very surprised
  8. MORDVIN13rus April 12 2020 17: 37 New
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    And with the fact that here is a comparison of bullets on one scale
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    My respect to a sane amateur shooter !!! I have an uncle from Dergachi! :)
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    Again a spherical horse in a vacuum laughing more energetic gunpowder, more pressure, respectively, you will have to strengthen the sleeve itself and the chamber, the barrel, etc. too much everything is simple for you, in fact, everything is much more complicated
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    Well, will you make it twice as heavy? Further, what? An increase in the geometrical length of the bullet will lead to an increase in its mass, respectively, to a change in the pitch of the rifling. We will consider further: accordingly, the angular velocity will increase, which in turn will lead to greater stabilization on a certain section of the path bullet flight, which in turn will dramatically change terminal ballistics wassat as a result, when the soft tissues pass, the bullet will later lose gyroscopic stability, which will lead to the formation of a smaller wound channel and less internal damage. It would be so simple laughing cartridge characteristics - a kind of compromise between penetrative action, ballistics, terminal action.
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    I will not talk about the advantages of the technical characteristics of our cartridge 7H39 / 40 over the M855A1. They are not visible in the initial speed and power, but in the entire table of characteristics. But the Americans started the transition to a new caliber not because their cartridge is better.
  • Simargl April 12 2020 19: 11 New
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    For hunting?
    For hunting, we had a thermonuclear 5,6 × 39 ...
    Who to shoot them at?
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      Chic cartridge was, Bars gave them 1000 m / s. Roe deer. Yes, even a capercaillie.
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        And what was chic about this cartridge? He gave 1000 strongly theoretically, while quickly losing speed, mercilessly losing on trajectory 223. The fate of this chic cartridge is logical Nothingness.
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          And what was chic about this cartridge? He gave 1000 strongly theoretically, while quickly losing speed, mercilessly losing on the trajectory 223.

          When he was, 223 in our country was not even theoretically. :) And 1000 was honest, not blown 950.
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          When he was, 223 in our country was not even theoretically.
          For that, 5,45x39 was already. But no: to citizens - no, no!
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    Another 7,62X54 for SVD
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      Yeah. And the BS 40 bullet ...
  • Alexey Lobanov April 11 2020 22: 52 New
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    I still did not understand which cartridge the Indians use: 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 5.56x45, or even some kind of their own?

    Their standard cartridges are 7.62x51, 5.56x45 and 9x19. Insas under 5.56x45.
  • andrewkor April 11 2020 07: 00 New
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    "Improve" AK \ AKM as a "scientist to teach"
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      Not, but we are constantly improving, and Galil is not bad. But the Indians turned out to be a proverb that "the best enemy of the good."
  • Ravil_Asnafovich April 11 2020 07: 24 New
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    So they praised their tank so much, praised it so constantly being compared with our t-90 !!!
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    But then the introduction of the rifle in the army had to be postponed due to the banal lack of ammunition 5,56 × 45 mm, which in large quantities had to be bought again from Israel.

    - to adopt the main infantry infantry weapons, but not master the production of ammunition for him - this is very ... Indian!
    When shooting from a greased rifle, oil splashed into the eyes of an arrow.

    - they that used olive or palm oil for greasing? I just can’t imagine anything like this, so that a greased Kalashnikov would spray oil at me when shooting! Well this must be able to - so ruffle the original design of an excellent machine.
    I found this photo of the INSAS Excalibur Mark-I assault rifle (pay attention to the bayonet-knife):

    and INSAS in all its glory (on the other hand):
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      Did they use olive or palm oil for lubrication?

      I don’t know about the Indians, but I read that the French, who fired their Clairen rifle, also complained of splashes of oil and that after the shooting they had a full face in oil. And I’ll even tell you where I read it - in my magazine Tankaster. There was an article there about the joint exercises of French and Ukrainian tankers.
      1. Aleksandr72 April 11 2020 08: 47 New
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        I have never read about this, I know that:
        The main disadvantages of FAMAS include:
        - the high location of the sight and front sight visually increases the profile of the shooter;
        - inconvenience when replacing the store and its small capacity (in standard stores 25 rounds are placed);
        - the use of different ammunition when shooting grenades - in one case it is worth using an empty cartridge, in the second - combat. If mixed up, it will lead to an explosion;
        - the presence of a large number of small parts that are easily lost during the assembly and disassembly of weapons.

        I always believed that a shooter with a bullpup weapon is threatened either by hit of a shot sleeve by the face when shooting from the left shoulder (but this can be solved either by changing the location of the extractor, or by another constructive solution of the weapon - moving the shot sleeve down or forward), or the risk of staining the face with powder gases during intense shooting. For the reason that is best presented visually (pictured is a Frenchman with a FAMAS rifle):
        1. Ryaruav April 11 2020 12: 36 New
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          for all the negative aspects, while Kalash is the best
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            for all the negative aspects, while Kalash is the best

            Not the best, but a trendsetter. There are rifles worthy of the Sig 550th series, FN FNC, even Galil Ace. Everyone went in fashion Kalash.
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              So this is essentially Kalash.
  • Vladimir_2U April 11 2020 08: 19 New
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    To send all Lee-Enfield rifles to warehouses as quickly as possible (apparently, this was critically important for the country's defense)
    It is possible so that Indians are not laughed at least about this. )))
    The Excalibur assault rifle with a range of 400 m was supposed to be an improved INSAS model
    Correct, aiming range.
    1. Ryaruav April 11 2020 12: 37 New
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      of course it's not a submachine gun
  • Undecim April 11 2020 08: 42 New
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    It is unclear why, but many states want to have their own weapons - instead of buying them from those who get it best.
    It’s very understandable - the leadership of these countries cares about the development of the economies of their countries, and not of others.
    If you produce your own weapons, then:
    - there are relevant research and design organizations in various fields - metallurgy, mechanical engineering and metalworking, electronics, chemistry, etc., respectively, scientific and technical personnel are being trained for them;
    -There are the above-mentioned productions, and these are again qualified specialists, jobs, and revenues to our own budget — the economy is developing.
    If you “buy,” then you develop all this for your money, but not with yourself, but with someone who “works better”.
    In addition, at the most inopportune moment, conditions may be set for you, what you need and how to make sure that you are sold weapons.
    Well, remember the not-so-distant past, when representatives of one country where “it works better” rushed around the world from Japan to America, buying everything that came to hand, because there was simply nothing to fight.
    1. Zufei April 11 2020 13: 02 New
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      It’s just not clear how the “rifleman” turned out to be in the combat units, in which oil is sprayed and shops are cracking from the cold. What AK didn’t please?
  • Mavrikiy April 11 2020 08: 45 New
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    Good, huh? I mean the beauty of the formal uniform! And for some reason, it’s very unusual for us to carry our INSAS assault rifles. Probably more militant ...
    But you don’t find it more convenient and the second hand is free. repeat
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      Forgive me .... AK is supplied with a belt not out of a whim. Try vilifying this sausage at the post for a couple of hours. By the end of the outfit, you just wink. Even on the right shoulder with a belt, it’s hard. The right shoulder strap for the three-shift for a month was worn down to whiteness. The guard overcoat on the demobilization was not suitable because of the holes on the back.
      And these fighters cradle her in their arms ... They gave a campaign to the popontov once a year ...
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        Positions for keeping in close formation at the parade and position for wearing at the post do not have to coincide. The requirements in both cases are different.
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          This is clear. But press 4 kg to the side with one hand and at the same time walk for a long time in a single formation - clean show-offs ... Well, a parade, yes ... That's the parade.
  • Ryaruav April 11 2020 12: 32 New
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    these popindusy make the whole world laugh if it weren’t for me to forget somewhere that there is such a country although not it is our main buyer VPK
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      Do not forget that there are more than a billion of them. And, yes, they still have the Sten in service ...
  • Iskander April 11 2020 12: 46 New
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    "" INSAS in all its glory ... But this is strange. They live in the tropics, in the jungle, where every tree is full. And the “fittings” for the machine were made of plastic “” in general to the trees there is a very reverent attitude !! it is very difficult for a tree to grow in those conditions! they immediately strive to devour it, because there is no greenery there, everything is burned by the sun, therefore they are bricking a growing tree, otherwise it will not grow ..., but cutting down a tree is generally a global event! the tree gives a shadow, the ability to hide from the scorching sun ... very often you can see trees in the fences and even the walls of houses, they prefer to leave them and suffer with the construction, just not to chop.
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      And plastic is more technologically advanced.
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      The jungle grows very quickly, leave the field unattended and it will be "eaten" by the jungle, but you need to distinguish between valuable species of wood and just weeds. As an example, our arable land that is overgrown with birch trees, and gardens with plums and cherries, marketable wood will not work, and "cultivated" plants do not grow. However, there really are problems with the area covered with forests - they cut mercilessly under rice, and other "cultivated" plants, in Cambodia the forest is cut for planting rubber hevea and simply for charcoal.
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        Birch (massively) and cherries (exclusive) are completely gun wood.
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          “Commodity wood” (commercial wood) is not just a species of wood (oak, pine, birch ...), but also overall and dimensional indicators. Go into the abandoned garden, which is overgrown with cherries and plums, find suitable trees for the manufacture of weapons-grade wooden parts (bed, butt). The same thing about birches that grow in the fields - it will go to particleboard, but there is no longer any bed or buttstock. In order to make a bed for Mosin’s rifle out of a birch, or at least PPSh, a tree needs to grow for many years and at a fairly free distance to its nearest brethren, otherwise it will grow “with a finger thick”.
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            Nevertheless, birch is used in large quantities. As an array, and in the form of glued parts, plywood. As an exclusive, -Korelsky birch, pear, cherry. And this despite the fact that for the manufacture of stock, for example, you need a blank 40 cm wide.
  • Alexey Lobanov April 11 2020 22: 17 New
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    Dear author, the gas regulator is borrowed from FN FNC, not FAL! As, however, and a flame arrester, and bayonet mount, and a front sight with a gas outlet, and a gas vent blocker for firing with rifle grenades, and even a flip pillar. I would not be surprised if the trunk is taken from FN FNC. But the folding handle for carrying - yes - from the "right hand of the free world." :)
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    if you put aside the issues of politics and business, then I personally am very curious and funny to watch the next throwing of the Indians. And they like to do this “with the soul”, regularly and against the backdrop of direct national laziness and gouging) Any issue of armaments they drag on for many years, and moreover, “maneuvering” from one extreme to another. Santa Barbara, in general, the new season)
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    how is it necessary to pour oil so that it splashes in all directions?
    in the army after cleaning and lubrication always removed excess oil