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The "carbine epic" continues

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Eten Allen's carbine from Massachusetts. The lever for setting the aiming frame and the button for locking the bracket behind the trigger are clearly visible


You can't recognize the face behind the mask
In the eyes - nine grams of lead
Its calculation is precise and clear.
He will not climb on the rampage,
He is armed to the teeth
And very, very dangerous!
V. Vysotsky, 1976


Military affairs at the turn of the eras. Last time we met with a number of carbines from the "carbine epic" of the American Civil War, however, there were so many of them that it was simply impossible to fit them all into one material: this would make it completely unreadable. Therefore, I had to divide the article into two parts and continue our story about the carbines of the American cavalry of the North and South.

The "carbine epic" continues
Allen's carbine. View of the receiver on the left. By unscrewing the screw at the bottom, it was easy to remove the shutter

Ethen Allen from Massachusetts was a major manufacturer during the American Civil War weapons... On September 18, 1860, Allen, along with Thurber, patented a breech-loading rifle, which they later converted into a carbine. This weapon was not officially adopted for service, but the same carbines were very often armed with scouts and militias. After the war ended, these carbines were adopted by some northern states for their units of the mounted militia.


Allen's carbine. Appearance

The carbine had a bolt that could be raised and lowered with a bracket-lever in the grooves of the receiver. It was originally designed to use a cartridge with a nipple cap, which Allen patented in 1860. However, the "nipple cartridges" were not successful, so the carbine was redesigned for more acceptable ammunition. Moreover, the highlight of the design was its shutter, suitable for both the use of cartridges of both types. For this, two channels for the striker were provided in it. One is central, and the other is located slightly higher than the first. The trigger hit both of them equally!

The disadvantage of the carbine was the complexity of manufacturing the receiver, which was first milled and then brought to the desired size with files by hand!

Frank Wesson's carbine was produced between 1859 and 1888. in Worcester, Massachusetts. Many northern states purchased this carbine during the Civil War, including Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri and Ohio. It was one of the first carbines chambered for metal rimfire cartridges, and it was produced in calibers .22 .32, .38, .44. Subsequently, all of them were successfully converted under the central battle cartridges.


Receiver of Wesson carbine. Right view. A feature of the carbine was the presence of two triggers, and by pressing the first, the barrel was disengaged from the bolt and rose to the loading line. An empty case or cartridge in the chamber was removed using a manual extractor, the handle of which is clearly visible in this photo

Its prototype was patented by Frank Wesson and NS Harrington as early as 1859, and in 1862, Frank Wesson received a patent for an improved model. In addition to all other advantages, the carbine is also quite light. So, with a 24 "barrel, it weighed only 6 pounds, while models with a 28- and 34-inch barrels weighed 7 and 8 pounds respectively. By 1866, twenty thousand of these carbines were made, of which the American army purchased 8000 copies.


Wesson's carbine. Left view

The quality of the Wesson carbine is evidenced by the results of a competition held on October 7, 1863 at a fair in Missouri. Then the shooter from him hit the growth target 45 times out of 100 from a distance of 300 yards. During a shooting competition in St. Louis, a similar target was hit 56 times out of 100, while the second-place rifle scored ... 10 hits out of 100. In Massachusetts, 20 shots, fired one after the other, hit a growth target at a distance of 200 yards, while achieving a rate of fire equal to 50 shots in 4 minutes.


Wesson's carbine. Right view

The carbine was primarily used in the northerners' army. But in November 1862, the Confederates were able to smuggle 10 carbines and 5000 rounds of ammunition from Texas. For this, Harrison Hoyt, who carried out this operation, was brought to trial in January 1865. By the way, the Wesson carbine at that time cost $ 25, and the cartridges for it were $ 11 per thousand. Their release was carried out until 1888.


Merril's carbine. Right view


He's on the left

The .54 caliber Merril carbine was patented in 1858 by James H. Merrill of Baltimore. In the first version, paper cartridges were used, but in 1860 the second was developed, for a metal sleeve. At the beginning, the carbine was considered more like a sporting weapon: it was accurate, very reliable with good care, but it had a rather complex mechanism, and most importantly, not interchangeable parts.


Top view of Merril's carbine. Shutter closed


The shutter is open. As you can see, the bolt of this carbine looked like a piston, which was opened by a lever that lay on top of the receiver. This locking was very strong, the hammer drive from the trigger was quite complicated

The carbine was used in the most active way by both the northerners and the southerners, since at the beginning of the war the Confederates managed to capture a large number of such carbines in warehouses. They were most widely used in the Virginia cavalry regiments. The southerners were very pleased with this carbine, but the northerners, who had the opportunity to choose, treated it rather negatively, since they believed that it had a fragile mechanism. So by 1863, most of Merril's carbines were removed from the army. A rifle based on it, as well as a carbine designed by Merrill, but modified by a certain Jenks, did not go into the army.

Maynard's carbine was a very original example of the Civil War period, about which some spoke very well, while others very badly. Its design was truly unique. It had a metal cartridge with a developed rim, but ... without a primer. The charge in it was ignited from the capsule, put on the brand tube, through a hole in the bottom, usually smeared with wax.


Maynard cartridges appearance

That is, the creator of this carbine made sure that he did not have problems with the cartridges. I bought a bullet, lead, gunpowder (and this was in abundance!), A dozen other cartridges - and equip them yourself as needed. The main thing is that the sleeve can withstand multiple reloads. But with this there were problems, in addition, through the ignition hole in it, powder gases entered the mechanism of the carbine and then into the shooter's face. Nevertheless, this carbine in terms of rate of fire was also noticeably superior to any muzzle-loading weapon, and therefore these shortcomings were forgiven him.


Receiver of Maynard's carbine. Left view. It is clear that we have in front of us a typical breakaway gun, controlled by a lever-brace

Southerners, who also used this carbine, learned how to sharpen casings for it on a lathe. In the cavalry, such casings were reloaded up to a hundred times. So for their limited capabilities, this carbine turned out to be a very suitable weapon!


Maynard's carbine. Right view


The same carbine. Left view

The Gallagher carbine, designed by Mahlon J. Gallagher and patented in 1860, also fought during the American Civil War and was a rather rare type of firearm among those used in this conflict, although it was produced by Richardson and Overman of Philadelphia in the amount of 22 pieces. ... This was more than the number of Jocelyn and Starr carbines, but still significantly less than many other models.


Carbine "Gallagher"

"Gallagher" had a rather unusual design of the bolt, controlled by a lever mechanism. The lever on it was a trigger guard, like on many other carbines of that time, but when you press it down, the barrel first moved forward, and only then dropped down. This allowed the shooter to remove the used cartridge case, but this very often had to be done with a knife! Then the barrel returned to its place and locked when the lever was fixed in the upper position. The barrel had six grooves and a length of 22,25 inches (0,57 m). The caliber of the carbine was 0,50 inches (12,7 mm). The length of the carbine itself was 39,3 inches (0,99 m).

In practice, he was not very popular. Despite the fact that it was well made and rarely had problems with the operation of its mechanisms, the shooters often had difficulty retrieving the spent cartridges, since it lacked an extractor. The cartridges were made of paper or brass, but ... with a bottom sealed with paper. It is clear that such ammunition did not have any advantages over centerfire cartridges and even rimfire.

The last carbine, which will be described here, is the William Palmer carbine - the first in the American stories A sliding bolt-action carbine adopted by the US Army. Produced by EG Lamson & Co. at the very end of the Civil War.


Diagram of the bolt device of the carbine by William Palmer

The carbine was patented in 1863. In June 1864, 1000 carbines of this type were ordered, but the supply of their army was delayed due to the problem of choosing a caliber for it. Initially, the army wanted a .44 caliber carbine. It was only at the end of November 1864 that it was decided to stop at .50. The fact is that the manufacturers of cartridges in those years did not yet know how to pull out long sleeves. But the .50 caliber cartridge had a shorter sleeve, but at the same time it had the same volume and could provide a sufficiently strong powder charge in it. As a result, 1001 carbines were delivered only a month after the American Civil War ended.


William Palmer carbine patent 1863

The carbine was arranged in the simplest way. The cylindrical receiver was simply screwed onto the barrel. The cylindrical shutter was machined from a whole piece of steel. The outer trigger hit right on the rim of the cartridge, which, when the barrel was locked in one place, that is, against the trigger, fell into a small cutout. Spring extractor. The reflector is also spring-loaded, so the shooters did not need to shake the sleeve out of the receiver after firing. The trigger could not be pulled if the bolt was not locked, since in this case its nose did not reach the rim of the cartridge. Only when the bolt was completely locked could the hammer strike the rim freely.

The rifle turned out to be very compact (only 945 mm long) and lightweight (its weight was only 2,490 g).


Palmer's carbine. Right view

Well, then it happened that the Civil War ended, a huge amount of weapons went to arsenals and for sale, and the US Army again came to the same thing, from where it began - maximum savings on everything. So for the needs of my post-war cavalry I chose the Springfield single-shot carbine with a folding bolt instead of the Winchester of 1866, well-known from the movies. Subsequently, it cost her dearly, but this is a completely different story.
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General Burnside's carbine: the first with a metal cartridge
People and spades
Rondash and rondachiers. From benefits to beauty
Artillery of the conqueror of Europe
Artillery innovations of the civil war between North and South
Mortars "Dictator" in the battles of the North against the South
Shuvalov's "secret howitzer"
North and South: smooth-bore and rifled guns
US Civil War ammunition
The most popular caliber of the North and South
Cannons of Tredegar and the Noble Brothers
Cannons of Brooke and Viard
James and Sawyer cannons: rifled versus smoothbore
"The parrot gun." Man and his instrument
Faceted bore gun
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 October 2020 18: 15 New
    +6
    How difficult it is, probably, at that time to choose a carbine for yourself!))
    Actually, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I was expecting an article from you tomorrow, but here is such a pleasant surprise.
    Thank you!)
    1. kalibr
      16 October 2020 18: 35 New
      12
      Nazarius! I always have 3-6 articles in stock on my site. I do not choose and spread. Editorial.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 19: 44 New
        +9
        Good evening, Vyacheslav! hi Thank you, a totally unexpected and pleasant surprise for Friday night. With interest he swallowed the entire article, but did not "eat". I hope for a sequel, and therefore the question is: in what situation did the United States "backfire" the adoption of "Spring" instead of "Winchester", because what "backfired" is, in general, clear. good drinks
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 16 October 2020 20: 58 New
          +7
          Duc think Little Bighorn backfired
          PS I apologize for getting in, I was just there and in the museum of these Indian Winchester casings the sea
          1. kalibr
            17 October 2020 08: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: Icelord
            I think Little Bighorn backfired
            PS I apologize for getting in, I was just there and in the museum of these Indian Winchester casings the sea

            That's right! There.
        2. kalibr
          17 October 2020 08: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Sea Cat
          I hope for a sequel, but therefore the question is: in what situation did the United States "backfire" the adoption of "Spring" instead of "Winchester", because what "came back to haunt", in general, is clear.

          There was, however, a long time ago, my VERY DETAILED article about Little Bighorn. Here at VO and also in the magazine "History Illustrated. Right there!"
        3. kalibr
          17 October 2020 16: 17 New
          +2
          There will be TWO more sequels and you (!!!) suggested the THIRD topic to me!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 17 October 2020 20: 16 New
            +2
            Intrigued, I will wait. smile
            1. kalibr
              17 October 2020 20: 18 New
              +1
              You me too. First ... In the end, I already wrote in two hours. Tomorrow will go to moderation! Wait.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 17 October 2020 20: 21 New
                +1
                Thanks from all the esteemed public. hi
    2. kalibr
      17 October 2020 08: 38 New
      +2
      They didn't choose! You signed up for the unit. You were given a weapon. You either scolded or praised him. Then it deteriorated or you moved to another part, and there was another weapon.
  2. WILL
    WILL 16 October 2020 18: 16 New
    +8
    Vyacheslav Olegovich Thank you very much for the article. I haven't even heard of some models, for example, the Parmer carbine!
    The only request, so as not to recalculate for a long time, please immediately convert the weight and distance units to Our native metric system! hi
    1. kalibr
      16 October 2020 18: 33 New
      13
      Quote: ANIMAL
      The only request, so as not to recalculate for a long time, please immediately convert the weight and distance units to Our native metric system!

      Alexey! I understand you, but ... sometimes I'm in a hurry and can't even spend a minute on anything else. I just asked a good person to write material on an interesting topic ... I could not start it for three years. And then he poked his head and the stars converged. I'm sitting, writing, rejoicing, oh yes I am ... a dog's son. And then a boring and boring translation ... Something like that. But I will try...
      1. WILL
        WILL 16 October 2020 18: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: kalibr
        But I will try...

        I can't do anything, I'll get a big calculator fellow Write more, Creative successes to you! hi
        1. Aag
          Aag 17 October 2020 11: 51 New
          0
          "... I'll get a big calculator."
          I think it will be quite small - three inches (76,2 mm))). wink
          "Write more, Creative successes to you!"
          Allow me to join your wishes. hi
  3. Icelord
    Icelord 16 October 2020 18: 53 New
    +5
    Ay beauty, such articles in a row. Thank you Vyacheslav Olegovich
    1. kalibr
      16 October 2020 19: 10 New
      +9
      Igor, rejoice! Found. I found everything that I promised ... I will work for three days, then in line, then I will leave. Himself "running on the ceiling" ... such beautiful photos!
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 16 October 2020 19: 12 New
        +3
        I am glad, Vyacheslav Olegovich. I am glad!
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 16 New
        +3
        Vyacheslav, I don’t remember whether there was already about Parrott's carbine, or not yet?
        1. kalibr
          16 October 2020 20: 17 New
          +2
          I don't remember anymore. Maybe in the first material? I have a rule: I wrote the material, it came out - forget it! Over time, it was perfected so that by the evening I do not remember what I wrote in the morning. How else?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 26 New
            +3
            I looked at the previous two articles, it was not there. If so, then it would be necessary to talk about this as well, otherwise there will not be a complete "collection", since they have undertaken ... smile
            1. kalibr
              16 October 2020 20: 47 New
              +3
              It is logical! It's good that we found and indicated ... I will try to find about this too!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 51 New
                +4
                We will be grateful, people are very interested in the cycle. I wish you success. drinks
        2. kalibr
          17 October 2020 08: 31 New
          +3
          Konstantin! I found out everything. There was no Parrot carbine. The text reads "Parrot Raifle", but the translation is not "rifle" but "rifled gun". And in the photo, most likely the Sharps and Hankins carbine, model 1862. Like this!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 17 October 2020 09: 38 New
            +3
            Exactly!
            Here is Parrott's cannon on the Constellation.

            But the carbine is somehow not very similar to Sharps, rather it is not even similar at all.
            In the photo Sharps.
            1. kalibr
              17 October 2020 16: 15 New
              +3
              In the photo Sharps. But the Sharps and Hankins carbine is different. There will be a separate article about him - he deserves it!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 17 October 2020 20: 20 New
                +3
                Exactly! I found something.

  4. Icelord
    Icelord 16 October 2020 19: 00 New
    +7
    I read that with all the advantages of Winchester, except for economic reasons, the generals considered his patron weak, but greed is probably, as always, the main thing
    1. kalibr
      16 October 2020 20: 21 New
      +8
      I already wrote about the Winchester, but for a long time. Now I found a museum in the States specializing in hard drives, marlins, etc. I'll try to contact, ask for a photo and ... write a comparative material.
      1. nnm
        nnm 16 October 2020 23: 07 New
        0
        If you need financial support in obtaining materials, let me know.
        1. kalibr
          17 October 2020 08: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: nnm
          If you need financial support in obtaining materials, let me know.

          No, of course, although humanly THANKS for the offer! Here it is: you write and either help you for free, or ... they don't help and don't even answer. No money will help here! Sometimes your letter ends up in spam, this also happens. In a word, this is a specific job, like any other. The letter must be written correctly, besides ...
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 16 October 2020 19: 19 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author. Interesting to read.
  6. Phil77
    Phil77 16 October 2020 19: 26 New
    +6

    Good evening everyone!
    Poster for the 1952 movie * Springfield Rifle *.
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 16 October 2020 19: 35 New
      +4
      What is your talent for finding interesting pictures.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 16 October 2020 19: 44 New
        +8

        I really love cinema! And if you consider that I just recently learned to * insert * an image in comments ... Well, you understand! wink
        And this is * The Oil King *, 1965.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 October 2020 20: 08 New
          +4
          More pictures - good and different !!! But not about boobs! This niche is already firmly occupied by other comrades.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 20 New
            +6

            And this is a Japanese film, the title in Russian, on the verge of a foul * .... Western Django *, directed by Tokashi Miike.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 32 New
              +6
              Hello Seryoga! fellow
              Well, I don’t know about the Gatling, I haven’t seen the kin, but the Japanese were running around with a match gun in the middle of the nineteenth century. laughing
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 40 New
                +4
                And this is the Japanese response to spaghetti westerns. Tarantino also starred there!

                And as for the title of the film, the first part of the title .... it's Japanese noodles! In Japanese! I won't reproduce it here, otherwise it will be banned.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 16 October 2020 20: 47 New
                  +3
                  Once, attending the filming of the movie "The Unforgiven", Quentin "slammed" a detail of Eastwood's props. This is how the idea of ​​the Hateful Eight was born. laughing
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 52 New
                    +5
                    Five minutes was enough, knocked out so as not to vomit.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 16 October 2020 20: 57 New
                      +2
                      Uncle Kostya, what are the impressions of which film?
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 04 New
                        +4
                        And hell knows, there is some kind of abomination at the end of the Second World War in France, then the Germans kill the Jews, then the Jews of the Germans, non-repudiation.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 06 New
                        +3
                        This is another movie, Inglourious Bastards
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 07 New
                        +1
                        There is a difference? I'm bored at all of them at best.
                      4. Icelord
                        Icelord 16 October 2020 21: 14 New
                        +2
                        In Kakh Brad Pitt plays the leading role and the Gestapo gorgeous
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 21 New
                        +3
                        Well, I don't know, in my opinion all this is a low-standard caricature of the war, and of the Gestapo too.
                      6. Icelord
                        Icelord 16 October 2020 21: 21 New
                        +1
                        Well, actually yes request
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 37 New
                        +2
                        Uncle Kostya, where did you see the war in this film? This is the first thing. As for the Gestapo, there is no doubt that "darling" Müller, performed by Armor, is much closer to the Russian heart! laughing
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 51 New
                        +4
                        I don’t know what - who is closer, for me Strzhelchik in the role of Gruppenführer Gotburg is much more convincing than the image that Bronevoy created.
                    2. nnm
                      nnm 16 October 2020 23: 10 New
                      +1
                      Exactly ... the most horror, I think, was precisely in the routine of their "work" for themselves. I saw an interview with a Vietnamese general, how he told how the criminals sawed his legs ... for many days, every time it got further ... and he said that the worst thing was that they did it as work - they joked among themselves, took coffee breaks, lunch ... That is, they simply did not see a person in front of them! So is the Gestapo ...
                    3. kalibr
                      17 October 2020 08: 16 New
                      +2
                      Just like the Strugatskys' description, word for word. Maybe he's their fan ?! The book is called "Inhabited Island". Only there they sawed the hand ...
                    4. nnm
                      nnm 17 October 2020 08: 23 New
                      0
                      Yes, I saw this episode. In the film Garmash plays him, in my opinion.
                      Found a link to the description https://m.mywebs.su/blog/people/14779/
                      In the original, I saw this interview on a historical channel on TV. Moreover, the American channel, we must pay tribute to them
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 31 New
                +3
                Christoph Waltz received an Oscar for this role.
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 17 New
              +2
              Well, and in vain! However, it's up to you.
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 21 New
              +2
              You are young, but this is fixable. smile drinks
  • Phil77
    Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 59 New
    +6
    But this film passed me by. How, I don’t know! It is necessary to see! Moreover, Morricone wrote the music for the film. hi
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 03 New
      +4
      The penultimate work of the Maestro. Oscar for her.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 29 New
        +5
        "Oscar" is not an indicator, hell knows why only it was not given, as well as "Nobel Prize".
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 39 New
        +4
        Well, don't spit in Morricon at least!
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 48 New
        +5
        I won't, I like his music. And I would just shoot your vaunted Pete for starring in "Fury." Damn, I didn't fight, but I'm a tanker and I know what their Sherman was capable of. Another gibberish for ruts from Urengoy.
      4. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 October 2020 22: 01 New
        +2
        I agree, not Pitt's best role. But the movie is not about the tank and its commander.
      5. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 23: 16 New
        +2
        But the movie is not about the tank and its commander.

        What about?
      6. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 15 New
        +2
        About a man in a war.
      7. Catfish
        Catfish 17 October 2020 09: 22 New
        +3
        This film is rather an anecdote about a man in war and for one simple reason there is no credibility.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    The penultimate work of the Maestro.

    And one of the best works is probably the music for this film!

    *Professional*.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 26 New
    +2
    But what about the collaboration with Sergio Leone?
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave

    +1
    But what about the collaboration with Sergio Leone?

    Yes Yes Yes!

    You can't go by, I always look at the first opportunity.
  • Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 17 October 2020 10: 26 New
    +2
    And to "Octopus" too, it sounds there too, sort of like in the scene of the murder of Katani.
  • Icelord
    Icelord 16 October 2020 21: 10 New
    +3
    It's a great movie and ends well ... for Tarantino, everyone died
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 41 New
      +5
      No, Igor, not like that. Finale - direct quote from Reservoir Dogs
    2. Icelord
      Icelord 16 October 2020 21: 43 New
      +3
      Well, yes, but still died or mortally wounded and die. Tarantino request
  • Catfish
    Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 49 New
    +6
    And don’t, I don’t watch the current movies at all, everything is completely bullshit, but I’ll keep silent about our modern movies. Better good Soviet cinema. drinks
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Better good Soviet cinema.

    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 October 2020 21: 17 New
      +4
      I read somewhere that Mosfilm lacks American props, in particular, when filming "The Man from Boulevard des Capucines," revolvers could not find suitable ones. Can you clarify the question?
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 16 October 2020 21: 26 New
        +5
        Well, where does it come from? At Mosfilm, either ours or trophy, well, occasionally Lend Lease. In Holmes, even a revolver lit up
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 October 2020 22: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Icelord
          Well, where does it come from.
          Produced in Tula Colts, Smith-Wessons ... We store poorly ...
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 16 October 2020 22: 08 New
          +5
          Colts are handicraft, very few, and there were a lot of Wessons, but the First World Revolution, civil, domestic, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs thinned out. So it's not surprising, besides, wesson was sometimes found in films, for example, azazel, or the same Holmes
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 16 October 2020 23: 20 New
          +5
          That's right, Igor. Yes, and all the Smiths are a "Russian model" and from those that existed in America they were noticeably different in the handle and "spur" on the trigger guard, so it was not very reliable. Although the mass audience cared about these details, and they didn’t eat that much.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 28 New
    +6
    In Soviet times, there really was not enough, in "Man from the Boulevard", for example, the guys from the Mosfilm gunsmith themselves riveted "Gatling". But what can I say, when the "Sturmgevers", with the help of a hacksaw and a file, were remade for the American M-16. I have been there, in the weapons department, and I knew the guys. With American weapons there were the same problems as with German tanks, they got out there as best they could.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 October 2020 21: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      In Soviet times, there really was not enough, in "Man from the Boulevard", for example, the guys from the Mosfilm gunsmith themselves riveted "Gatling".

      I don't think it's much better now. There is no comparison with the Americans.

    2. Icelord
      Icelord 16 October 2020 22: 00 New
      +3
      So they sell these replicas in every store, or you can order them on the Internet, so there are no problems
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 16 October 2020 23: 22 New
      +3
      I don’t know this, I haven’t been there since the beginning of the nineties, it was not up to that, you understand. request
    4. Icelord
      Icelord 16 October 2020 23: 22 New
      +3
      Yes, he shot himself, though he took off the drum to reload, and weighed the gunpowder on the scales, and not historically with a powder flask as in the films, otherwise they would not be allowed to go to the line. Safety engineering request
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 16 October 2020 22: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    in the "Man from the Boulevard", for example, the guys from the Mosfilm gunsmith themselves riveted "Gatling"

    Where is the Gatling spotted? There was some kind of incomprehensible machine gun.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 16 October 2020 22: 09 New
    +3
    Better good Soviet cinema.
    It's consh !!! As you watch "The Pig and the Shepherd" for the hundredth time, you will immediately believe in "The World of Half a Day"! Half of the forum is raving about this fantasy.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 16 October 2020 23: 24 New
      +4
      In addition to "Piggy" there was also "Stalker", there was "Running" and many more films that are not only pleasant to watch, but also simply necessary to watch.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        there are still many films that are not only pleasant to watch, but also simply necessary to watch.

        Hi Konstantin, and also for cheerfulness and relaxation! laughing
  • Icelord
    Icelord 16 October 2020 20: 45 New
    +3
    And the Japanese is a fine fellow, shoot from the Gatling alone. It will not work out very well from Maxim
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 59 New
      +3
      The Japanese, they are, single-handedly decided to fight with the whole world and got themselves Hiroshima. request
  • Phil77
    Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 34 New
    +4
    Hello Anton!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 16 October 2020 19: 55 New
    +5
    Simply, you have to love cinematography, in particular, and art, in general
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 October 2020 21: 12 New
      +3
      "Cinema, Cinema, Cinema
      We're crazy about you! " (from).
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 26 New
        +4
        "Oh, my pale-faced brother! Tell me, isn't the cinematography going to turn to Comanche life? I have an amazing plot!" (FROM)
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 16 October 2020 21: 44 New
          +3
          “Just think, straw hat!
          Some kind of trifle and a rag ”(c).
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 16 October 2020 21: 50 New
            +2
            "Swinging feathers on my hat,
            We whisper to fate more than once: "Mercy side!" "(C)
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 16 October 2020 22: 02 New
              +2
              "Look what they did with my hat!" (from).
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 16 October 2020 22: 16 New
                +3
                "We wore uniforms, and in the market,
                Caps were sold - "eight-piece" (C)
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 16 October 2020 22: 21 New
                  +2
                  “There are flutes and French horns in the city garden.
                  The Kapellmeister wants to take off ”(c).
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 16 October 2020 22: 30 New
                    +2
                    "Plays in the city garden,
                    Brass band,
                    On the bench where you sit
                    There are no vacant places "(C)
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 16 October 2020 22: 43 New
                    +3
                    "And you are terribly busy, you eat cherry jam" (c).
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 16 October 2020 23: 29 New
                    +4
                    Don't bother, Uncle Seryozha ...
                  4. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 00: 45 New
                    +3
                    In this interpretation, the tonality of the song changes dramatically.
                  5. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 06: 33 New
                    +3
                    "It all happened
                    In the city garden
                    "Will you come?" She asked,
                    "No, I will not come",
                    "How so, because we are with you,
                    We want to build a house ?! "
                    He replied: "You will build
                    Someone else, "
                    He left without saying goodbye
                    He sleeps peacefully
                    And she was left alone,
                    Crying out loud
                    But regret it, really
                    No need at all
                    She was four years old
                    It was five - he "(C)
                  6. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 06: 46 New
                    +4
                    My small (second grade) reports on petals and carpets, either on Monday, or on Tuesday, when the day will be free from training.

                    “My six-year-old daughter says to me:
                    "Dad, can I have you for a minute?" (from).
                  7. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 19 New
                    +2
                    "Little son came to his father,
                    And she asked the baby "(C)
                  8. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 21 New
                    +2
                    “We must, we must wash
                    In the mornings and evenings "(c).
                  9. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 24 New
                    +3
                    "Rubber Zina
                    We will wash it in gasoline "(C)
                  10. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 28 New
                    +2
                    “Whether people
                    Whether dolls "(c).
                  11. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 32 New
                    +2
                    "Ah, Arlecchino, Arlecchino,
                    You have to be funny for everyone "(C)
                  12. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 36 New
                    +2
                    “The road without end,
                    A road without beginning and end ”(c).
                  13. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 39 New
                    +2
                    "To whom that, but I got,
                    Route E-95 "(C)
                  14. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 49 New
                    +2
                    "Ah, Alice, how would we meet" (c).
                  15. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 09: 42 New
                    +3
                    "And we with such faces,
                    Let's take yes and get to Alice! " (FROM)
                  16. Phil77
                    Phil77 17 October 2020 17: 42 New
                    +3
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    And we are with such faces,
                    Let's take yes and get to Alice! "(

                  17. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 17 October 2020 18: 18 New
                    +1
                    “Of course, I'm gray now,
                    A little bit of a hunchback "(c).
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 17 October 2020 17: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Korsar4
                  "Ah, Alice, how would we meet" (

                3. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 17 October 2020 18: 20 New
                  +3
                  "Oh, be afraid of the Jabberwocky, son" (c).
                4. Phil77
                  Phil77 17 October 2020 18: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Korsar4
                  "Oh, be afraid of the Jabberwocky, son" (c).

                  Vindictive Bandaschin.
                  Surely no. I don't like it, and in some way reminds our poet. Aksyonov also liked to quote him. Damn, I forgot! bully
                5. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 17 October 2020 18: 29 New
                  +3
                  Voznesensky? Aksenov read a lot about the lectures.
                6. Phil77
                  Phil77 17 October 2020 18: 41 New
                  +3
                  No, he lived at the beginning of the century / twentieth / and, if I am not mistaken, was one of the Symbolists.
                7. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 17 October 2020 18: 45 New
                  +3
                  Khlebnikov?
                8. Phil77
                  Phil77 17 October 2020 18: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Korsar4
                  Khlebnikov?

                  Yes !!!! Velimir! But about the fact that he is a symbolist ... probably not, I'm wrong. hi
                9. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 17 October 2020 19: 07 New
                  +2
                  "Hunger", for example, chilled him to the bone.
                10. Phil77
                  Phil77 17 October 2020 19: 44 New
                  +2
                  I just read it. To be honest, yes ... emotions. But the poem itself? Honestly, for an amateur. At the same time I read * If I turn humanity into hours *. And here a strange thought has already arisen:
                  "Who is imitating whom? Khlebnikov-Mayakovsky? Or vice versa?"
                  The style is similar, in my opinion. hi
                11. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 17 October 2020 19: 58 New
                  +2
                  No, different style. Time slice, perhaps, general.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 18: 44 New
    +2
    Mmhma ... Mr. Dodgson would have a hard time resisting.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 17 New
    +2
    Good morning Anton! How would such? Murphy from the famous TV series.

    And I'm already at work, * double * all the same!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 17 October 2020 07: 22 New
      +3
      I'm leaving soon, on her "beloved" laughing
      One of your favorite actors, one of your favorite TV shows! good
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      favorite TV shows!


      Yes, the style of the gentlemen of those times was, definitely was!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 29 New
    +3
    Today I can not rush. More than two hours before the train.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 37 New
    +2
    * She ran away from me again
    last train .... * laughing
    Greetings Sergey! hi
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 48 New
    +3
    They don't run away in the morning.

    "The hour has struck,
    The long-awaited silver hour "(s).

    Yes, namesake. We have a traditional evening chant, but sometimes morning.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 07: 50 New
    +3
    Excellent! As you start the day, so you will spend it. I can do it!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 07: 54 New
    +3
    I enjoy the warmth inside the room. In the forest, October is already making itself felt.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 19: 06 New
    +2
    "Before the train to Moscow
    Exactly one hour left
    And this hour I will live
    So far away from you.
    In such a desolate void
    Such transparency
    That you can touch the horizon with your hand. "(C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 19: 12 New
    +2
    “Escorts me to the station
    Night Moscow "(c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 19: 18 New
    +3
    Apparently today is the day of unfulfilled love for Moscow.
    "Like tears down my face,
    Along the boulevard ring
    Watering machines,
    Will flow at the sixth hour "(C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 19: 28 New
    +2
    “But since it fell to me to be Petersburgers,
    Moscow will never become native ”(c).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 19: 49 New
    +3
    That's right, I got it!
    "And he is coming from Yalta, in a hurry from Sochi,
    He cannot live without Peter, and "white nights" "(C)
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 20: 00 New
    +3
    It occurred to me that there are southern cities, there are northern ones.

    And in Moscow, as it was said in one book, everything is collected like a vacuum cleaner.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 20: 13 New
    +3
    You will laugh. I have lived all my life in the Northwest. The Milky Way was first seen in the army, in Kharkov. Having lived in St. Petersburg for more than 15 years, he ended up in the Middle Volga region in the summer. I felt a terrible discomfort that it was dark at 21'00. Summer! At nine in the evening! Dark!!!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 20: 28 New
    +3
    I won't. Seeing stars is not a bad thing either.
    And habit, as you know, is second nature.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 20: 34 New
    +3
    Seeing stars is not a bad thing either.
    It helped a lot in the gloom of the first months of the service.
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 October 2020 20: 59 New
    +2
    From under the "fungus"?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 21: 15 New
    +3
    No, there was no guard service at all.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 17 October 2020 21: 37 New
    +3
    ,,, underground, under a multi-meter layer of granite, behind steel doors and bulkheads, which must withstand the shock wave of a nuclear explosion, with food supplies that ensure long-term operation of the combat crew in autonomous mode ,, winked
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 October 2020 21: 46 New
    +4
    In Kharkov - something like that. In Murmansk - hardly, the first line of defense, the flight time from the nearest NATO base is 15-20 minutes, the combat operation time of the regiment's command post is half an hour.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 17 October 2020 22: 04 New
    +3
    In winter, it's good snow and if the sky is clear and the moon, at least something is visible (not in the city of course), but yes,
    Dark!!!
  • Phil77
    Phil77 17 October 2020 21: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    day of unfulfilled love for Moscow.

    And what is left of * that * Moscow? A certain number of inhabitants, a certain number of buildings? And memory! The memory of * that * Moscow. Photos. Video materials.
    And this is * Sobyanin's maskvachi *.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 33 New
    +2
    This is who - like, someone and from the pop music goes crazy. laughing
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 16 October 2020 21: 45 New
      +3
      But, for example, Eduard Gil, also refers to popular music.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 28 New
    +4
    Igor, how do you like that?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 32 New
      +4
      Hi Konstantin, how is it?
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 16 October 2020 20: 40 New
        +3
        And the northerner's gun is capsule
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 16 October 2020 20: 45 New
        +2
        From the same opera "cinema and the Germans", the Afronegroids are now demolishing monuments among the poor southerners, heroes of the Civil War have survived on both sides. laughing
    2. Icelord
      Icelord 16 October 2020 20: 37 New
      +2
      Image class good I don't know how sad
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 16 October 2020 20: 46 New
        +6



        Confederates!
  • Mister X
    Mister X 16 October 2020 20: 56 New
    +1
    with a 24 '' barrel, it weighed only 6 pounds
    The author: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky

    45 times out of 100 at 300 yards

    Dear author,
    Was it impossible to translate the values ​​into meters and kilograms?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 16 October 2020 21: 06 New
      +1
      Hi Michael hi They have already offered it, they say there is not enough time, I willingly believe.
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 16 October 2020 21: 10 New
        +2
        Hi Konstantin hi
        Quote: Sea Cat
        says there is not enough time

        Issue price 1 sec
        https://allcalc.ru/converter/dyuymy-santimetry
        There are a lot of converters on the Internet ...
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 16 October 2020 22: 24 New
          +2
          Duc take and translate! If it’s suddenly interesting .. There are a lot of converters on the Internet!

          I absolutely do not understand why a weapon from birth conceived and made in inches, for the lazy curious to translate into mm with thousandths .. And even more so to do this for comparison with others, the same inch. The Mosin rifle is 3 lines or 7.62 mm, the AK-74 is 5.45 mm, but the Winchester is a 0.5 inch caliber! And do not confuse people out of the blue.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 16 October 2020 22: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Saxahorse
            but the Winchester is a 0.5-inch caliber! And do not confuse people out of the blue.

            And 6 pounds is 6 pounds. And do not confuse people out of the blue wink
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 17 October 2020 00: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Mister X

              And 6 pounds is 6 pounds. And do not confuse people out of the blue wink
              6 pounds of English = one sixth of the Russian PUD. 1 Russian pood = 40 Russian pounds = 1280 lots = 3840 spools = 368 640 shares hi
        2. kalibr
          17 October 2020 08: 10 New
          +2
          Live and learn. Did not know. He became old. The old fashioned way - bale-bale on a calculator ...
    2. kalibr
      17 October 2020 08: 08 New
      +1
      Inch 2,54 cm. Yard -90 cm. People who are technically literate can count in their minds, it is us, humanities, we need a calculator or mobile ...
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 17 October 2020 08: 47 New
        +1
        When you live there for at least a month, it translates itself. But Vyacheslav Olegovich, the yard is still 91 cm
        1. kalibr
          17 October 2020 16: 19 New
          +2
          What are you, Igor, well, yes, but I was in a hurry again ... My hand took it and did not change it. And he was right! You fixed it!
          1. Icelord
            Icelord 17 October 2020 16: 23 New
            +1
            Well, I'm a bore, I confess. But just when you shoot a rifle for a long-range shot, and the ballistic table of the cartridge is American, even this centimeter plays there. By the way, the Americans also have a problem with zeroing in European optics, they are not used to the metric system
  • Taoist
    Taoist 17 October 2020 11: 01 New
    +1
    in general, of course it's cool - it seems that then in the States, under each bush there was a weapons workshop and a designer ...
    1. kalibr
      17 October 2020 16: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Taoist
      in general, of course it's cool - it seems that then in the States, under each bush there was a weapons workshop and a designer ...

      Exactly! I have not told about everything yet !!!
      1. Taoist
        Taoist 17 October 2020 19: 24 New
        0
        In general, purely from the technical point of view, there are many very original and technically interesting solutions ... But on the other hand, it seems that no one even thought about how all this good would be used and supplied ... Maybe because, in general, there was no army as a system in the USA at that time ... In Europe, they knew about unification for a long time ...
        1. kalibr
          17 October 2020 20: 20 New
          0
          There was the chief of supplies for the army of the northerners (I don't remember the name), but he very persistently pursued the idea of ​​unifying the ammunition.
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 17 October 2020 22: 58 New
          +1
          Not so much, all the cartridges are different. The Swedes have their own 6.5 Mannlicher, the Italians have 6.5, but the cartridge is different, etc.
    2. Icelord
      Icelord 17 October 2020 16: 36 New
      +1
      Fifth Amendment, eligible, plus the American Dream, want to get rich