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The most popular caliber of the North and South

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Adult uncles "play a cannon" ... So what? When you have everything, why not play?


I saw how in glory the Lord himself appeared to us,
How He, with a powerful foot of a bunch of anger, swept away
As He drew a metal sword with a terrible lightning.
He holds the truth step.
Republic Battle Hymn


Weapon from museums. Among the weapons of the Civil War in the USA between the northern and southern states, monsters are undoubtedly remembered - monstrous Columbiads of 381 and 508 mm caliber, "Dictator" mortars. But they did not decide the outcome of the battles between the American armies and they were not the most numerous in the arsenals of both. The most numerous, massive and popular were three-inch, or 76,2 mm, guns. And it was on them that many innovations occurred during the years of this war. Moreover, the most famous gun of this caliber was a muzzle-loading rifled gun made of wrought iron, which was adopted by the United States Army in 1861 and was widely used in field artillery. She fired a 9,5-pound (4,3 kg) shell at a distance of 1830 yards (1670 m) with a barrel elevation of 5 °. The 3-inch gun was not as effective at firing shotguns as the heavier 12-pound Napoleon, but it turned out to be very accurate at long ranges when firing high-explosive shells or shrapnel. There was only one recorded case of a 3-inch gun blast during operation. You can not say anything about 10-pound rifled guns of Parrott of the same size, which exploded quite often. The Confederate States of America lacked the technological capabilities to produce successful copies of such a tool. But the army of the Confederate States used them, getting them from the federals as trophies.


Three-inch Parrotta. Cheap, quick-fire, but ... explosive!

It so happened that in 1835 so many six-pound cast-iron cannons exploded during the control tests, that the American Artillery Administration decided to abandon the cast iron and have field artillery guns exclusively made of bronze. So the completely successful six-pound field gun M1841 was born. However, American engineers did not abandon attempts to make wrought iron guns, however, without much success. So, in 1844, during tests on board the Prinseton ship, the 12-inch Mirotvorets welding gun exploded, and many members of the test commission died. The reason, as it turned out, was the low quality of the starting material. However, over time, the quality of the metal was raised. As early as 1854, the Safe Harbor Iron and Steel Works in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, produced iron bars of such high quality that they began to be used in the construction of lighthouses. And then the company’s superintendent John Griffen suggested making the gun by welding its barrel from forged bars, and drill a hole in the barrel channel. Later, the process was improved by winding the rod in a spiral around a metal cylinder, after which the resulting billet of the barrel was subjected to welding heating. Then trunnions were added and the bore was drilled. Samuel J. Reeves, president of the parent company Safe Harbor Phoenix Iron Works, approved the Griffen method, and already at the end of 1854 the first gun with a barrel weighing 700 pounds (318 kg) was made using this technology.

The most popular caliber of the North and South
Three-inch John Griffen. The most massive and popular weapon of the US Army during the Civil War era on the Gettysburg Field

Griffen’s gun was sent to Fort Monroe, where in 1856 it was tested by Captain Alexander Bridy Dyer, together with Griffen himself as a witness. It was decided to find out how many shots the barrel could withstand, but the gun fired 500 shots without any visible damage. Then they began to shoot from it with increased charges of gunpowder. The cannon was torn apart on the tenth shot, when the barrel was filled to the muzzle with 13 cores and 7 pounds (3 kg) of gunpowder. It was a success, after which, as well as a very favorable report by Dyer, four more Griffen guns were manufactured and sent for testing.

On February 21, 1861, the Ammunition Department requested four forged 3,5-inch (89 mm) guns. The government paid $ 370 for each of these two guns. (None of them survived.) Phoenix Iron Company also produced several 6-pound 3,67-inch (93 mm) guns, of which seven survived date from 1861 and bear the 1855 Griffen stamp printed on one of the pins. On July 24, 1861, US Army General James Wolf Ripley ordered 300 wrought iron guns at a factory in Phoenix. The ammunition department finalized the design of the gun, removed all the jewelry from the barrel, so that the barrel took on a gentle curve. The cost of production ranged from 330 to 350 dollars per barrel.


The bronze Napoleon was not bad in certain situations.

However, pretty soon the same Samuel Reeves discovered that using the original Griffen technique only allowed one of three good guns. The technology was still imperfect. 40% of the trunks were ultimately unsuitable for use. Frustrated Reeves decided to try to invent a new method of production, and he succeeded. He took a hollow tube or iron rod and wrapped them in sheets of iron. It turned out the barrel of the desired diameter. Then the convolution of the sheet was welded, and the finished trunk was bored from the inside. Reeves convinced patent examiners that his method was different from the patent on April 29, 1862, issued to David T. Yickel, and received the patent on December 9, 1862. And although the Confederate enterprises were able to arrange the manufacture of Parrott guns, they did not succeed in making copies of the 3-inch gun.


Patent granted to David T. Yickel on the technology of winding a gun barrel from a metal sheet

So, what was this weapon massively used by both sides of the conflict? Caliber 3,0 inches (76 mm). The gun barrel weighed 820 pounds (371,9 kg), and fired a shell weighing 9,5 pounds (4,3 kg). The charge of gunpowder was 1,0 lb (0,5 kg), which allowed the projectile to report a speed of 1215 ft / s (370 m / s) and throw it at a distance of 1830 yards (1673 m) with a barrel elevation angle of 5 °. When the elevation of the barrel was increased to 16 °, the Griffen gun could have thrown the projectile already at 4180 yards (3822 m). Unlike smoothbore guns, a three-inch cannon shell retained two-thirds of its initial muzzle velocity of 839 ft / s (256 m / s) at a distance of 1500 yards (1372 m), so its projectile was invisible in flight. The shell of the smooth-bore gun retained only one third of its initial velocity, and in flight it was visible. However, a rifled shell could also become visible if the shell flew out without rotating, which was due to the fact that its pallet did not expand sufficiently and did not fully enter the barrel grooves. At the same time, the barrel itself had seven grooves, which twisted from left to right. The speed of rotation of the projectile was one revolution per 11 feet (3,4 m).

The gun barrel was mounted on a used gun mount for a six-pound field gun. Since the shell of the new gun was heavier than before, recoil during firing sometimes caused damage to the barrel mounts and the wheelset. The gun carriage weighed 900 pounds (408 kg), which was perfectly acceptable for transporting guns with six horses, including a charging case.


John Griffen patent for the manufacture of a gun barrel

The gun could fire explosive shells of impact and buckshot. The use of "bolts" (continuous "armor-piercing" shells) was rare. Moreover, the design of the gun made it possible to use a variety of types of ammunition, including Gochkis and Schenkl shells. Parrott shells could also be used, but in an emergency, because they worked poorly - because they were designed for a 10-pound Parrott gun, which had only three rifled, and not seven, as in the Griffen gun.


"Three-inch" for field fortifications

Why was a 12-pound Napoleon shotgun or a M12 1841-pound howitzer more effective than a three-inch shotgun? Firstly, a smaller caliber means fewer “balls” in a card shot. Secondly, due to the cutting of the trunk, the buckshot is ejected by a too wide cone. For these reasons, Union General Henry Jackson Hunt believed that the effective range of the three-inch cannon was about half that of the 12-pound Napoleon, which confidently hit targets with 400-yard-shot shots (366 m).


Samuel Reeves Patent

At the beginning of the war, the Allied batteries had six guns of the same type. At the battle of Gettysburg on July 1-3, 1863, 50 of the 65 batteries of the northerners totaled six guns, and 64 of these batteries had three-inch guns. The exception was Sterling's 2nd Light Artillery Battery. For each battery with six guns, 14 calculations of six sleds and seven spare horses were required. The calculations were responsible for six artillery pieces, six charging boxes, one van and one marching forge. Each shell relied on 50 shells in each charging case.


Three-inch cannon of the 1861 model with all accessories at the Rocky's Museum

For 2004, more than 350 trunks of three-inch field guns were preserved in the United States, many of which were located in national military parks. Which, incidentally, is best illustrated by the longevity of this gun. Interestingly, the American army used them until the 1880s. In the years 1879-1881, six of these guns were regrained to a caliber of 3,18 inches (81 mm) and converted to load from the breech. The guns showed good results, and this experiment ultimately led to the adoption of the 3,2-inch gun M1897. In 1903, more than 200 outdated three-inch guns were converted into salute guns.


Three-inch by the road

At the Battle of Gettysburg in July 1863, the 1861 model was the main weapon of the armies of the northerners and southerners. So, of the 372 artillery pieces at the federals, 150 were three-inch. About 75 on the same battlefield belonged to the southerners. At the Battle of Antietam on September 17, 1862, the Union Army used 93 such guns, while the Confederate Army had 48. By the end of the war, only one steel plant in Phoenixville, PA, produced 866 samples of this gun. And another 91 were produced before the closure of production in January 1867. No wonder so many of these cannons have survived.

High accuracy of the fire of this American three-inch was noted. So, during one of the battles for Atlanta in 1864, the Confederate gunner on a Lumsden battery reported that one of his guns was installed in a fortification with an embrasure only about one foot wide (30 cm). For a short time, three shells of "three-inch" northerners flew through this hole, and they did not explode. The first hit the southerners' cannon between the pins and knocked out some metal. The second damaged the left "cheek" of the gun carriage. The third hit the very edge of the muzzle, pressing it inward, completely disabling it.


James Pound Gun Made of Bronze

The Griffen gun had “cousins” from a number of other designers, but made of bronze. With rifling inside, they were not much different from his guns, only bronze was not the best metal for rifled guns. The rifling in them was quickly erased, so that the trunks had to be melted over and over again!

To be continued ...
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  1. polpot
    polpot 13 July 2020 18: 03 New
    +3
    Three-inch it and in America three-inch.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 13 July 2020 21: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: polpot
      Three-inch it and in America three-inch.

      Well, to our forerunner is another quarter century! I'm talking about the French speed gun !!! However, in the US, it will also be copied. Then her descendants will serve the whole first half of the twentieth century.
      Good night, thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for continuing the cycle !!!
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 09: 46 New
        +4
        I'm talking about the French speed gun !!! However, in the US, it will also be copied.

        Copy, how! The gun was successful ...

        harness 75-mm gun Model of 1897 M1 US Army all the way ...
        Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/boevyie-mashinyi-dzhona-kristi-chast-3.html
        naukatehnika.com
        And here is the Parade on Red Square on November 7, 1941. Look at 10.37

        I have a strong feeling that these are the same Schneider guns. Apparently, trophies of either the Civil or Polish campaign of 1939. hi
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 14 July 2020 16: 48 New
          +2
          To armor OB-3 type armored trains, guns from KT-28 to similar French guns were used!
          WikiWiki -
          The Red Army in the Polish campaign of 39 years captured 258 guns, of which many 75-mm guns, which in 1941-42. were used, and, in particular, on armored trains. Participated in the defense of Moscow in 1941.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 16: 50 New
            +4
            to similar French guns!

            here, by the way, I didn’t know about it. “Three-inch” model 1902/30 on armored trains flicker in the photo (by the way, even on German armored trains), and I honestly did not know what the “French” were used for. drinks
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 14 July 2020 16: 53 New
              +3
              I wanted to attach a photo or diagram, but the computer "hangs"!
              And there are a lot of circuits and photos of OB-3 on the network. It seems that Polish machine guns were used to armor armored trains.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 17: 04 New
                +6
                It seems that Polish machine guns were used to armor armored trains.

                The Polish "Browning" - BAR - were also in service with the militia during the Battle of Moscow.

                and here's an interesting photo of a Swedish rabble dancing at the Finns. These BARs are Swedish made.

                Group photo of soldiers of the Swedish volunteer battalion of the Finnish army. Soldiers are armed with Swedish Kg m / 21 light machine guns, Swedish Carl Gustaf M96 rifles, Soviet Degtyarev submachine guns

                more photos here:
                http://smallarms.ru/article?arms=bar
  2. Undecim
    Undecim 13 July 2020 18: 12 New
    +9
    The speed of rotation of the projectile was one revolution per 11 feet (3,4 m).
    Sorry, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but you constantly repeat this mistake. The value you specify is the pitch of the rifling, and not the speed of rotation of the projectile.
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 13 July 2020 18: 27 New
      +2
      ... and one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ...
      1. Bormanxnumx
        Bormanxnumx 13 July 2020 18: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: Skalendarka
        ... and one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ...

        Imperial pound is 0.453kg)
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 13 July 2020 21: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: BORMAN82
          Quote: Skalendarka
          ... and one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ...

          Imperial pound is 0.453kg)

          Yes, you're right, I'm getting old however :-)
      2. Gato
        Gato 13 July 2020 18: 44 New
        +7
        laughing ..and about rivets.
        This is an international pound, adopted in 1959. And some sources claim that in the 0.494th century the so-called Amsterdam pound - 0.49 kg. By the way, the Russian artillery pound is also XNUMX kg.
        Only gunners managed to express the distance through the mass laughing
      3. svp67
        svp67 13 July 2020 20: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Skalendarka
        .a one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ..

        And 3 inches is not 76 mm, but 76,2 mm ...
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 13 July 2020 22: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Skalendarka
          .a one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ..

          And 3 inches is not 76 mm, but 76,2 mm ...

          This I know - he is 7.62 and in Africa there are three lines.
          I don’t remember, in a pound it seems 16 carats, and in a pound how many pounds? 40?
          There is an interesting game of numbers ...
      4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 13 July 2020 21: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: Skalendarka
        ... and one pound equals 0,435 kg, e not 0,5 kg ...

        The pound of "raisins" was very different! From the "imperial" Oh, 435 kg, to the "Russian" 0,49 !!! Although the notorious "Dutch" was even more - 0,494 !!! It seems and was used in artillery!
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 July 2020 00: 32 New
          +5
          It seems and was used in artillery!

          This is an extremely interesting question. Different countries used different pounds - for example, there are two boats with 36-fn cannons .. But one, for example, is Austrian (1 pound - 0.56 kg) - and the other is Swedish (1 pound - 0.42 kg). And to whom will the “toad give tsytski”, all other things being equal?
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 13 July 2020 23: 37 New
      +5
      "Work on the mistake, it’s also work,
      Smiles would be enough when they beat me on the neck. "
      Not sure about the accuracy of the quote. hi
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 09: 49 New
        +4
        "Work on the mistake, it’s also work,
        Smiles would be enough when they beat me on the neck. "

        Uncle Kostya, but when I once wrote an opus, the good Bubalik said another warm phrase: "Everyone can offend an artist!" drinks
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 July 2020 17: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          "Everyone can offend an artist!"

          Yeah ... we know one such offended artist from Austria.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 17: 22 New
            +1
            Yeah ... we know one such offended artist from Austria.

            it is different. From Austria - an offended impotent artist, and also a vegan-teetotaler, or who else was he at the full collection of his deviations? negative and! shell-shocked and breathing gas!
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 July 2020 17: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              From Austria - an offended impotent artist, and also a vegan-teetotaler, or who else was he at the full collection of his deviations?

              Now he would be an outstanding representative of the liberal intelligentsia. smile
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 18: 04 New
                +1
                Now he would be an outstanding representative of the liberal intelligentsia.

                Think? wink although .. if Hitler lived now, he would have much more opportunities to sublimate his sexual deviations! In shocking, for example ... and if he was also a black homosexual - he would generally become a news star! .... like, as you know, there is such a "honored singer with a small raft"? Here he generally has his own opinion, which is periodically published! fellow The question is who does it interest. laughing drinks
  3. Gato
    Gato 13 July 2020 18: 14 New
    +4
    Very inspiring article in the light of current events in the USA fellow
    For 2004, more than 350 trunks of three-inch field guns were preserved in the United States, many of which were located in national military parks

    We are waiting on the streets of New York and Washington. Personally, as humanitarian aid, I am ready to send the complete collection of the Anarchist Cookbook
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 13 July 2020 18: 48 New
      +4
      And I am ready to get an unlimited visa and medical insurance, including dental implants in solidarity with the progressive popular liberation movement Black Life's Getto fellow
      1. Gato
        Gato 13 July 2020 18: 55 New
        +7
        Yeah, right now. GreenCard canceled - the taperich will be a Black Card. Caries carriers are preferred.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 13 July 2020 18: 58 New
          +3
          Green Discrimination
          1. Gato
            Gato 13 July 2020 19: 14 New
            +7
            Yes. But old Ford looked like into the water: "Any client can get a car painted in the color that he wants - as long as this color is black." By the way, a monument to him has not yet collapsed?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 July 2020 19: 34 New
              +5
              Must deliver - Black Ford Matter! By the way, fret on the medical network on the cinema network, many clinics changed the operating room pictures - black appeared in the staff)). I'm not kidding
              1. Gato
                Gato 13 July 2020 19: 41 New
                +7
                I'm not kidding

                What kind of jokes? Here you will joke - and it is already being introduced in all seriousness. I'm just wondering - where is the limit of liberal senility and is it even there?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 July 2020 19: 55 New
                  +4
                  After serious casualties among whites
                  Tipun to my tongue
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 09: 59 New
                    +5
                    After serious casualties among whites
                    Tipun to my tongue

                    Yes, but Negros African-Americans are already considering politically correct reshaping Chapaev! laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 14 July 2020 10: 18 New
                      +4
                      Chapaev 1 with Mel Gibson in the role of Vasily Ivanovich is a classic of the genre ... and Anka will always be associated with Charlize Tyrone ...))
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 10: 19 New
                        +5
                        Chapaev 1 with Mel Gibson as Vasily Ivanovich

                        yeah, and in the role of Furmanov - charming George Clooney. laughing
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 14 July 2020 10: 26 New
                        +4
                        Travolta played best - the textbook Ilyich turned out
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 10: 46 New
                        +5
                        Travolta played best - the textbook Ilyich turned out

                        yeah, and from Kira Knightley - would have been the canonical Krupskaya. laughing
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 05 New
                        +3
                        Krupskaya - rather Meryl Streep)))
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 24 New
                        +4
                        Greetings to you Albert!
                        For what?!?!? Why are you so about Meryl Streep ???? Who could play Krupskaya? Katie Bates! Remember Molly Brown, from * Titanic *?laughing wink laughing
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 28 New
                        +4
                        For what?!?!? Why are you so about Meryl Streep ????

                        indeed, in the role of Inessa Armand, she will look more organic. laughing
                      7. Phil77
                        Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 32 New
                        +3
                        Here! Bravo, Nikolai! Already closer! Or maybe ... maybe even more reliable? laughing
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 39 New
                        +4
                        Or maybe ... maybe even more reliable?

                        Sergey, only Inessa Armand as Joseph Vissarionovich can be closer! wink Compare ... look like! yes
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 41 New
                    +4
                    Hello, Sergey! hi That's for sure)) Her type
          2. Gato
            Gato 14 July 2020 11: 56 New
            +5
            This one is better
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 04 New
            +4
            This is Lunacharsky
          4. Gato
            Gato 14 July 2020 12: 12 New
            +4
            laughing laughing
            Since childhood, my favorite episode - a mental attack by whites - in the modern version would look like this:
          5. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 31 New
            +4
            Type "beautifully go?" laughing
            In fact, as a child, I checked out a machine gun so much, dreamed of shooting it in the army, and it turned out to be difficult - a bastard. negative
          6. Phil77
            Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: Krasnodar
            , dreamed of shooting him in the army, and he turned out to be difficult - bastard.

            So it’s still reduced his bed! And in the original version pulled for 300 kg.! soldier
          7. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 44 New
            +4
            Not a damn thing ... did not know hi
            I'm talking about MG FN - I wrote, it’s not Maxim, but it weighs a dozen)) On the march of the throw, I had enough for ten minutes with him - I quickly transferred it to the person who wanted it (there were a lot of them)
          8. Phil77
            Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 49 New
            +5
            So it’s like the conversation was about * Chapaev *? * They go beautifully ... * It's from there. what
          9. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 52 New
            +4
            I know - Anka had Maxim))))
            I was impressed by the machine gun as a "weapon of mass destruction" laughing Unfortunately, at my point of view it was already at least 50 years old, at least armed with any Jewish military formations hi
          10. Phil77
            Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 57 New
            +4
            So I also did not find him / 81-83 /. laughing But the first Maxim machine guns on a gun monitor, with an armored shield, weighed 244 kg. This then reduced the machine. soldier
          11. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 34 New
            +2
            Browning M2 (12,7) on the machine weighs about 60 kg laughing
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      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 03 New
        +4
        Naughty and pranksters))
      4. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 13: 23 New
        +5
        Naughty and pranksters

        Fans and inventors! wink True, the word "entertainer" I usually speak of Viktor Nikolaevich. wink He is soaking something from the "notes of the Soviet metallurgist", so at least stand, even fall. good drinks
  4. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 13: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Phil77
    300 kg.

    Got excited !!!! what
  5. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 25 New
    +4
    This is Lunacharsky

    I thought Antonov-Ovseenko! wink
  6. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 36 New
    +3
    The snare at Tukhachevsky, who participated in the Suppression of the Tambov peasant uprising? )) Well, yes, there are cheto
  7. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 41 New
    +5
    Snake at Tukhachevsky

    then they all ended badly ... well, many. request
  8. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 45 New
    +4
    Ha ha! And if you recall the French revolution?
  9. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 46 New
    +6
    Ha ha! And if you recall the French revolution?

    Then we recall that the revolution devours its children. request
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 43 New
    +3
    A revolution devours its parents - but usually a hereditary aristocracy first
  11. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 41 New
    +2
    Guillotines and gallows laughing:
  12. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 46 New
    +4
    Quite right - and Antonov-Ovseenko and Tukhachevsky and other guardians of public affairs. Like Trotsky. Lenin and the cunning Stalin died by their death
  13. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 12: 28 New
    +3
    Aha! In a suit from Jacques Paul Gaultier! laughing
  14. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 36 New
    +4
    Aha! In a suit from Jacques Paul Gaultier!

    And Lenin is such a young alpha! drinks
  15. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 48 New
    +3
    And young October is ahead
  16. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +4
    That is, let’s remake letting Oyuk Besson shoot? laughing
  17. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 12: 50 New
    +4
    That is, let’s remake letting Oyuk Besson shoot?

    The main thing is not to Uwe Boll ... no Oliver Stone will do - get an epic! laughing
  18. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 12: 58 New
    +3
    Oh, a frame of Chapaev in the river and Furmanov flying away on Farman - Chapai kneels on a raft accidentally turned up, looking into the commissar's eyes closed by aviator glasses, catching a lot of Wrangel bullets in the Red Army back ...
  19. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 13: 05 New
    +3
    looking into the eyes of the commissar closed with aviator glasses

    ... behind the scenes mournfully heroic music ... Why didn’t we offer Willem Dafoe for the role of Chapai? He is even very much! good

    and in the skin - it’s so mild! not even a hat! good
  20. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 45 New
    +1
    Because Chapaev cannot be White laughing
  21. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 13: 50 New
    +5
    Because Chapaev cannot be White

    Ahh, for sure ... what Maybe Goiko Mitich will play the role of the “red” Chapai? how epic redskin? request "whites soldered us!" laughing
  22. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 18: 14 New
    +3
    No, he is old! I dabble at the time of death was 32! hi
  23. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 21: 10 New
    +2
    Yes, Serbian Cherrok)))
  24. Gato
    Gato 14 July 2020 13: 32 New
    +3
    Chapai kneels on a randomly turned up raft

    Must be a happy ending. Because of the bend of the river, the battleship "Titus ..., pah" Pot .. ", no, slowly emergesBlack Pearl "with Petka, Anka and the very young captain M.M. Isaev:
  25. Gato
    Gato 14 July 2020 13: 41 New
    +4
    .. they save Vasily Ivanovich

    and then he drowns the American fleet at Pearl Harbor

    .. I already wept crying
  26. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 47 New
    +3
    And he says - I am for the International in which Hirohito! soldier
  27. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 16: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Hirohito!

    Who will play Comrade Hirohito? bully
  28. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 17: 59 New
    +2
    In the spirit of the latest trends - Dinzel Washington fellow
  29. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 18: 10 New
    +3
    And what? Representative, charismatic. Yes, and indeed, in the spirit of the times.
    Typical tanned samurai. bully
  30. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 22: 01 New
    +3
    In the spirit of the latest trends - Dinzel Washington

    honestly, they removed it from the tongue ... Morgan Freeman, all the same, a little old! hi
  31. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 23: 06 New
    +1
    And in each new film adds a freckle))
  32. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 16: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Gato
    and then he drowns the American fleet at Pearl Harbor

    It’s a pity. It’s a pity that the boats are better than the American sailors to propagandize and they are a friendly squadron for the song * Roasted chicken * go to sea under the black flag of anarchy. Where did the anarchists come from? But Nestor Ivanovich found out about the voyage of Vasily Ivanovich and sent his emissary! 80 days around the world! what
  33. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 46 New
    +3
    To the song Celine Dion))
  34. Gato
    Gato 14 July 2020 13: 23 New
    +4
    Luke Besson is also nothing ... Trotsky teaches young Fanny Kaplan:
  35. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 13: 26 New
    +6
    Luke Besson is also nothing ... Trotsky teaches young Fanny Kaplan:

    or Sverdlov - Countrywoman? drinks
  36. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 16: 06 New
    +3
    Ndaaa guys! Et you wrote!
    Only Cameron can take such an action! The blockbuster will succeed, and the script is sort of ..... intricate! In a word. So what about the main character? Black? White? Native American? Oh! Or maybe for exotic * narrow-film * make it? Yes, and with the name of the masterpiece you need to somehow solve. Suggestions? laughing
  37. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 16: 16 New
    +3
    Only Cameron can take such an action! The blockbuster will succeed, and the scenario is sort of ..... intricate!

    Sergey, I’ve already come up with an ending! wink .... the boat with Chapai is drowning, dangerously tipping ... Chapai, with all his strength, pushes Anka to the surface, and gives her an oar to hold on to him. Himself, speaking a heroic speech about the indispensability of his own mental system, he slowly goes under the water, pulling out a raised thumb ... Epic music sounds ... There are tears in the eyes of the audience, and someone is already sobbing into the voice in the gallery .. . crying In short, it turns out a hybrid of the Titanic and the Terminator, but with a mustache, blacks and a hat. yes Tear a bunch of dough and twenty-three Oscars. drinks
    The thumb can be replaced with a middle one, but then the speech of the people's avenger should be turned to white from the other side!stop
    So what about the main character? Black? White? Indian? Oh! And maybe for exotic * narrow-film * make it?

    The film must be taken black and white so that the differences between the protagonist and the colonialists are even more visible. yes
  38. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 16: 23 New
    +3
    So who? Who will play the main role? And who will play Anka? And Petka? They figured out the secondary characters, but where are the main characters? Or rather, actors who can recreate them ?????
  39. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 16: 30 New
    +3
    And who will play Anka?

    The actress in person (licking her lips) will pick up the Sea Cat. The estimate will be Krasnodar. Bubalik will open the archives for the script. Anton will prepare emotional dialogues with sparkling humor. In criticism, we will appoint Mikhail (kind critic) and Viktor Nikolaevich (critical critic) - for balance. We will entrust the advertising campaign to V.O.Shpakovsky. The rest - to smear faces with shoe polish - and in extras! fellow For no one wants to play for the whites! laughing drinks
  40. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 16: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    The estimate will be Krasnodar.

    Albert movie director!
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    . Anton will prepare emotional dialogues with sparkling humor.

    Not only! But also the construction of scenery! Technical Director.
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    We will entrust the advertising company to V.O.Shpakovsky.

    I agree! I’m sure it will cope!
    Quote: Pan Kohanku

    The actress in person (licking her lips) will pick up the Sea Cat. The estimate will be Krasnodar. Bubalik will open the archives for the script.

    Worthy comrades!
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    . The rest - to smear faces with shoe polish - and in extras!

    I will not allow face painting to black! Against.
    Resolution:
    * Approve. With slight changes. Everything to be decided in the working order. *
  41. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 19: 48 New
    +3
    Technical Director.
    Nafig nafig !!! "Duty Afedron" was already!
  42. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 11 New
    +6
    Nafig nafig !!! "Duty Afedron" was already!

    And you will be on duty shoe polisher! soldier hey, where did you run ?! Stand! stop
    In general, I wanted to accept you part-time, and through IP, I would withdraw all the money supposedly to clean Vlad's cat's dacha, but ... request In short, Sergey-Phil demands that I take you a share, for three bets, and also royalties ... Shhhh! Do not say this word to Shpakovsky! wink
    There is also a role for you to peck ... Continuous problems with your talents! belay
  43. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 19: 45 New
    +5
    Anton will prepare emotional dialogues with sparkling humor.
    And can I still, in between cases, seduce the leading woman?
  44. Korsar4
    Korsar4 14 July 2020 20: 47 New
    +5
    Poured James Bond:

    "That walks in someone's skin,
    That sleeps in an ashtray
    And then on the lampshade
    Someone will be seduced ”(c).
  45. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 03 New
    +4
    "Conversations in sleepy kitchens,
    Dancing on the drunken tables
    Where muses have chosen toilets,
    And the gods live in the mirrors "(C)
  46. Korsar4
    Korsar4 14 July 2020 21: 30 New
    +5
    “After all, this Muse - people will confirm! -
    I stayed for days at the Block,
    Balmont lived without leaving ”(c).
  47. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 44 New
    +5
    "Oh virgins, my virgins!
    My Genevieve!
    You carry locators on your heads,
    And you twitter about love "(C)
  48. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 07 New
    +5
    Poured James Bond:

    I think we found the performer of the role of Chapai .... what Anton, get ready! soldier Shave, wash, brush your face with shoe polish. You will be a famous African-American artist Antoine di Bajini! (one hell, these African-Americans do not know where Belarus is ... even their white ones don’t know about it - Psaki witness! Do you think you will be revealed with your polar personality? good ) Here, and you will be a new rising star. fellow Kim Kardanoshyan, we with her niger will divorce - where is he against you! negative Let's make a Polar Hop star and winner of fifty-eight awards, of which five are Oscars! good We will take money for promotion from the Pension Fund - there are a lot of them, there are simply not enough for pensioners ... repeat
  49. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 21: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Shave-wash

    But why shave? Let there be an unshaven brutal Chapai.
    As for washing, how did you start to turn off some water in your city on the Neva? lol
  50. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 47 New
    +3
    Let there be an unshaven brutal Chapai.
    Then this is not Chapai, this is Che Guevara!
    "Do you hear footsteps in the night?
    It goes "barbudos"! " (FROM)
  51. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 55 New
    +3
    Then this is not Chapai, this is Che Guevara!

    you won’t believe it, they answered the same way, without saying a word! drinks info field! good
  52. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 22: 03 New
    +4
    I’m more interested in how Sergey knows about my beard ?! Again agent "Mikado" "turnout" failed ???
  53. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 22: 08 New
    +2
    Again agent "Mikado" "turnout" failed ???

    Eeee, he didn’t tell him! It seems to be ... No! stop
  54. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 22: 25 New
    +4
    Oh, people! While you sleep, cats communicate on social networks. Your Mika and Seryogin Filka!
    I always said, left an animal (stupid woman, dog, cat, hamster, cockroach) near the keyboard - wait for problems!
  55. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 23: 46 New
    +2
    Your Mika and Seryogin Filka!

    They wanted to wash the animal today, but mine begged me not to do this. laughing
    So, we become positivists, and carefully follow our hands! stop
    Mikado said:
    Shave-wash

    Sergey-Phil said:
    But why shave? Let there be an unshaven brutal Chapai.

    You said:
    I’m more interested in how Sergey knows about my beard ?! Again agent "Mikado" "turnout" failed ???

    So, we summarize how the creators of the experiment. what No one I didn’t talk about your beard, for shaving is a daily matter for those who wish. request You yourself thought upbut these are complexes, and Albert will explain to you! stop Moreover, Mikado was generally silent. If you're talking about a cat. tongue
  56. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 15 July 2020 00: 03 New
    +2
    Mikado was generally silent
    Your cat just does not say anything when I come. It only tactfully mentions its presence.
  57. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 00: 12 New
    +3
    Only, tactfully mentions his presence.

    He is generally extremely well-mannered. Especially if you show slippers. yes
  58. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Your Mika and Seryogin Filka!

    Yes! They have a telepathic connection and mutual affection. But ...
    Anton, about your * tactical * beard is known to all visitors to the heading * History * on the VO website.
    Mikado is innocent! And beyond suspicion! Mikada is honest! Both two !!! stop bully
  59. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 15 July 2020 18: 33 New
    +1
    Anton, about your * tactical * beard is known to all visitors to the heading * History * on the VO website.
    Another failure! negative And I wanted to be mysterious ... crying
    But my "acting" again prevailed! good
  60. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 52 New
    +3
    Let there be an unshaven brutal Chapai.

    Then Che Guevara will come out, ah, and this will have to shoot a series for three hundred series, and sell it to Latin America ... no A lot of trouble, Sergey! Do you believe there currencies? request
    As for washing, how did you start to turn off some water in your city on the Neva?

    The houses turned off the hot for two days. Mine howled. Girls, sir! love for this we love them! wink At work, she was turned off for a month. Not critical. stop More concerned about the six-month absence of an elevator .... angry
  61. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 22: 00 New
    +3

    The houses turned off the hot for two days.

    Didn't you try to call Alberta? laughing
  62. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 22: 05 New
    +2
    Didn't you try to call Alberta?

    and what, he also turned off ?? So he with his climate can wash in the summer soul, how much he can fit, and it will be hot! fellow drinks
  63. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 22: 17 New
    +3
    To ask what Krasnoselsky district was guilty of before Netanyahu, that they drank all the hot water laughing
  64. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 23: 40 New
    +3
    To ask what Krasnoselsky district was guilty of before Netanyahu, that they drank all the hot water

    I believe that Albert is closer to us than to Bibi Netanyahu. Therefore, I will take an interest in the summer soul - the construction there, and so on. drinks Note to you! wink I’m more worried that my stuffed landlord still can’t do the elevator! angry half a year! You've seen...
  65. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 23: 43 New
    +2
    Shoby, the broad Russian soul forked out for solar boilers - preferably made in Israel. fellow Or, if it’s quite wide, at least on solar panels made in Israel, the rest can be done by self-propelled guns - by Wuhan Lefthanders laughing
  66. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 00: 01 New
    +3
    Or, if it’s quite wide, at least on solar panels made in Israel, the rest can be done by self-propelled guns - by Wuhan Lefthanders

    as my dad said, trying to sell a cottage near Kirishi (this is on Volkhov): "No electricity? So everybody puts batteries! How much do I want? Well .. you for half a million selling... " what After the last sentence, I doubted my own pedigree - it really hurts a business proposal! laughing daddy s! drinks
  67. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 15 July 2020 01: 24 New
    +3
    These are the correct suspicions drinks
  68. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 09: 28 New
    +4
    These are the correct suspicions

    yet my dad is red and blue-eyed, albeit with a pronounced Voronezh accent! drinks (there the letter "g" is pronounced somewhat in the Ukrainian manner) yes
  69. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 15 July 2020 13: 10 New
    +2
    This is a state of mind, not a nationality)).
  70. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 13: 38 New
    +4
    This is a state of mind, not a nationality)).

    as a state of mind, he is a cheerful bon vivant with a fishing rod. wink Do you see my profile picture? Here, very similar. yes Only with fishing rod and bald head.laughing With a laugh, Anton almost dropped his glass when he compared me to my photograph in the passport. But just becoming a copy of daddy, sir! drinks
  71. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 15 July 2020 13: 55 New
    +3
    So this is good))
    Dad is also rather big, as I understand it
  72. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 14: 00 New
    +4
    So this is good))
    Dad is also rather big, as I understand it

    Above 180 cm, just more voluminous at the waist. But I'm still catching up! lol
  73. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Above 180 cm, just more voluminous at the waist.

    Yes, you are just giants! Oh, why am I such a ..... karapuzik.1m.72cm.? crying
  74. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +3
    Yes you are just giants!

    I have 190. Anton has about 185. He generally looks much better than me. good
    Oh, why am I so ..... karapuzik. 1m. 72cm.

    but you have a lot of other advantages! And the growth of the body in our business is not the main thing. wink drinks
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  76. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 18 New
    +2
    Kohl, maybe you? Will not strain? sad
  77. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 16: 33 New
    +2
    Kohl, maybe you? Will not strain?

    I agree that you should call me to "you". good At the very ... your tongue "poke" until it turns ... drinks
  78. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    Kolya! There is such a word, it is necessary! And please do not argue! am
  79. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 16: 34 New
    +3
    Oh, and no h.-oops! Guard!

    You haven’t seen Anton yet. drinks There is not just a guard - there is a life guard hussar regiment! fellow like dashing Murat, only smart, and without a horse.wink
  80. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 53 New
    +2
    Aha! And the previous one * didn’t warn me for this!
    What Murat is there ??? The fifth warning is on me! Oh!
  81. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 17: 03 New
    +3
    Aha! And the previous one * didn’t warn me for this!
    What Murat is there ??? The fifth warning is on me! Oh!

    She just does not know that you have a holiday today. love Well ... I hope the parties will not hold bad thoughts on each other. drinks yes, with the fifth warning you can safely write down in dashing ulans fellow
  82. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 17: 16 New
    +2
    Kohl !!!!! Come on you? Eh?
    * My friends, they are with me
    Always and in joy, in trouble.
    And in terrible grief, behind
    , and will help everywhere.
    Friend, this is the one who will not leave,
    will reach out at dashing hour
    When longing for the heart crushes.
    He will be with you then! .. "
  83. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 17: 26 New
    +2
    Kolya! 82 Special Warsaw Red Banner Order of Alexander Nevsky Special-Purpose Radio Engineering Brigade. Shneekopf.
  84. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 17: 36 New
    +3
    Kolya! 82 Special Warsaw Red Banner Order of Alexander Nevsky Special-Purpose Radio Engineering Brigade. Shneekopf.

    Lancers and cuirassiers joined them nervously smoke with envy! drinks bow down good
  85. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Do you believe there currencies?

    Oh, I am gullible! I believe everyone, but until the first concrete deception. Then this person is not grata for me. It's like having people I know. I don’t believe strangers at all. Yes, and I don’t give it to the poor. For? Well, they are not talented play badly!
  86. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 16: 30 New
    +2
    Well, they are not talented, they play poorly!

    we had about ten years ago on the "Narva" (metro station with stucco molding) constantly stood an elderly lady, clearly unhealthy. Monotonously swaying from side to side, holding out her hand, she sang songs. Her expression was like that of Ivan Vasilievich when he raised his eyebrows. The sight was not so much mournful as creepy ... Perhaps, now it sings somewhere.
    Yes, and I don’t serve the poor.

    The landlord went to India six years ago. Before this he painted the beauty: "Kolya, it's so beautiful there! Nature! Monuments! Taj Mahal!"
    He came back. I went to him on business: "Hello! Well, how is India? How is the Taj Mahal !?"
    He spits: "Oh, what an ass, the Taj Mahal! Heat, dust, poor sanitation! Shit, urinate in the middle of the street. Crowds of beggars at any sight! People consciously mutilate themselves to beg for alms!" am Then he says: "True, the only thing I liked was the monkeys!" laughing
  87. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 16: 40 New
    +2
    And to me honestly, India is deeply unsympathetic. Why? Yes, ancient civilization. Yes, they gave a lot to the world. But !!!!! I will not argue, but not that.
  88. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 16: 47 New
    +2
    Yes, much has been given to the world.

    To be honest, I don’t know what they gave us there, except for Zita and Gita and curry spices. I’m probably wrong, but I don’t remember offhand. For I live in a different culture. request
  89. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 01 New
    +3
    And can I still, in between cases, seduce the leading woman?

    Can. But after the Sea Cat. stop Categorically. In queue! soldier
  90. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 13 New
    +3
    Well, figs with you! Guy Ritchie will write jokes!
  91. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 21 New
    +2
    Well, figs with you! Guy Ritchie will write jokes!

    No, I don’t understand ... You threw us ... DROPPED ???! belay after all? Abandoned? crying Just a million greens to earn, and the bride has already been picked up! good Do you want to quarrel with the main producer (he is the director of the picture) for the sake of the most dubious sissy Richie? fool Mikhail and I personally will put you in a boat in Ust-Luga, and push us away - sail to our Guy! stop
  92. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 29 New
    +3
    I didn’t see the Marquise puddle?!?!?!
    "And the waves both groan and cry,
    And beat on board the ship
    Fisherman melted in the distant fog,
    Our dear land "(C)
  93. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 21: 57 New
    +3
    I didn’t see the Marquise puddle?!?!?!

    Hmm ... Ust-Luga - a little further than the Marquise puddle ... fellow You will swim! bully
  94. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 07: 08 New
    +1
    Sorry, buddy! But the day of jam! Alas, I'm alive !!!! Bye?
  95. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 16 July 2020 07: 33 New
    +1
    Everything is good. I hope you have a day off at work ...
  96. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 07: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    I hope you have a day off at work ...
    Reply

    Ha ha ha ha !!! I'm on vacation !!!!!!!!!!
  97. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 16 July 2020 07: 39 New
    +1
    Well and good!
  98. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 08: 01 New
    0
    Antosh! Well look how beautiful, huh? !!!! love
  99. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 08: 03 New
    0
    Uh, no faith, alas !!! love
  100. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 08: 15 New
    0
    Tactical beard? And try? Why not??????
  101. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 07: 40 New
    0
    I look, just don’t laugh! ** charmed *. Yes, yes! That's it!
  102. Phil77
    Phil77 16 July 2020 07: 48 New
    0
    Like! And the girls are beautiful !!! And I love the beautiful! bully
  103. Phil77
    Phil77 17 July 2020 09: 27 New
    +1
    Aha-ha! Hi Anton !!!!
  104. Phil77
    Phil77 17 July 2020 09: 31 New
    +1
    Letting go of my beard. * Tactical * !!!! Vera will like it ??? * wald *
  105. Phil77
    Phil77 14 July 2020 21: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    And can I still, in between cases, seduce the leading woman?

    It’s possible. But Konstantin is still in search. But as for the performer of the role of Krupskaya .... lol
  106. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 July 2020 21: 48 New
    +3
    Eh, Sigourney Weaver would be younger .... love
  107. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 23: 52 New
    +2
    Eh, Sigourney Weaver would be younger ....

    Eh .. or Diane Lane .. I would write a musical then! drinks with you .. starring ... good
  108. Phil77
    Phil77 15 July 2020 06: 20 New
    +2
    Catherine Zeta-Jones !!!! Out of Competition !!!! love
  109. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 15 July 2020 09: 30 New
    +2
    Catherine Zeta-Jones !!!! Out of Competition !!!!

    it remains to move Michael Douglas ... wink And then he will be against the casting conducted by Sea Cat. laughing Uncle Kostya will appreciate all, all talents, and not biased. good
  110. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 July 2020 13: 53 New
    +2
    There you have it, Vova, the building of communism in a separate country laughing
  • Gato
    Gato 14 July 2020 12: 02 New
    +4
    Yeah, and Schwartz with a minigun, forelock and stripes on the banks of the Urals ...
  • Alf
    Alf 13 July 2020 21: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Gato
    where is the limit of liberal senility, and is it at all?

    When the population of the ball will decrease to 1-2 billion and when they will be completely digitized.
  • Alf
    Alf 13 July 2020 21: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Gato
    By the way, a monument to him has not yet collapsed?

    Negroes have not yet been told about him ...
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 11: 34 New
      +6
      Negroes have not yet been told about him ...

      to this topic:
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 14 July 2020 14: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: Gato
    Very inspiring article in the light of current events in the USA fellow
    For 2004, more than 350 trunks of three-inch field guns were preserved in the United States, many of which were located in national military parks

    We are waiting on the streets of New York and Washington. Personally, as humanitarian aid, I am ready to send the complete collection of the Anarchist Cookbook

    The "catechism of the revolutionary" S.G. Nechaev would be more suitable for them now.
  • hohol95
    hohol95 13 July 2020 19: 15 New
    +4
    Dear Vyacheslav Nikolaevich! Grozhdanskaya 5th war in the USA is fun!
    But there was a book in my childhood - Pushkar SOBINK!
    And I’m wondering - is there any artillery data on the history of “Standing on the Ugra River”?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 July 2020 21: 54 New
    -2
    And for Sharpe and the sharpshoters? And the funny thing is that you forgot that at that time the dice and art were working pretty close
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 14 July 2020 00: 07 New
    +2
    To please the gun itself from wood and plastic to make ?! From far away and not distinguishable winked
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 July 2020 03: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: Stalllker
      To please the gun itself from wood and plastic to make ?! From far away and not distinguishable winked

      False artillery positions and even forts were used by the Confederates! Very, very successful! The most famous for the defense of Rinda! Earlier in Virginia, General Lee!
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 14 July 2020 03: 55 New
        +2
        False positions still apply
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 02: 11 New
    +6
    Informative and intelligible! To the author - Respect!
    1. Gato
      Gato 14 July 2020 14: 29 New
      +3
      To the author - Respect!

      Special thanks to colleagues Krasnodar and Pan Kohank for turning komenty into a booth! laughing drinks
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 15: 17 New
        +3
        Special thanks to colleagues Krasnodar and Pan Kohank for turning komenty into a booth!

        Sergei... drinks how do you say ... it's not even a booth .... winked We come here to communicate with each other. And if you can improve your health with humor - why not? drinks Thank you for joining us! drinks
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 July 2020 15: 59 New
          +4
          how to join!

          Yes Yes laughing "and he who joined them ..." (C)
          drinks
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 14 July 2020 16: 05 New
            +5
            "and joined them ..."

            yeah, the longest surname in the USSR - and an affiliated man, Shepilov! fellow drinks
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 14 July 2020 17: 06 New
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          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          And if you can improve your health with humor - why not? Thank you for joining us!

          * Non-defiant * !!!!!! laughing
          * We turn any booth into a super booth! * bully good
  • kalibr
    15 July 2020 11: 15 New
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    Quote: Undecim
    Sorry, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but you constantly repeat this mistake. The value you specify is the pitch of the rifling, and not the speed of rotation of the projectile.
    Reply

    He wrote off the original article in English. Translated very accurately ....
  • CTABEP
    CTABEP 16 July 2020 19: 56 New
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    Great cycle.