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Modern French Foreign Legion

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Modern French Foreign Legion

In this article we will complete the story of the French Foreign Legion. Currently, the soldiers of his regiments in France are much better treated than fifty years ago. At the very least, the soldiers of the legion are not now considered polls and socially dangerous psychopaths. However, special sympathies, especially in the left and liberal circles, are also not observed for them. Legionnaires themselves joke that the French love them only one day a year - during the Bastille Parade, when their units march through the Champs Elysees in a solemn march.



Sappers (pioneers) of the Foreign Legion. Military parade in honor of the anniversary of the capture of the Bastille, Paris, Champs Elysees. 2016 year


Weapon Foreign Legion soldiers taking part in the Bastille Parade


Regimental flags of the first and second regiments of the Foreign Legion, Paris, 2003

There were times when the size of the Foreign Legion reached 42 people (the beginning of World War I), now it numbers, according to various sources, from seven and a half to eight thousand soldiers and officers. Jean Moren (namesake of the last commander of 000e REP, Jeanpierre's successor), defense attaché of the French Embassy in the Russian Federation, in an interview with Radio Echo of Moscow on April 1, 24, said the number was 2010 people. Probably, his data should be trusted, since from August 7600, 1, he was the commander of the units of the French Foreign Legion.


Lieutenant General Jean Moren, a graduate of the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a former military attaché in Russia, commander of the Foreign Legion


Commander of the Foreign Legion Jean Moren and soldiers of the Third Regiment. French guiana

Of the 11 regiments of the Legion, 7 are now based in France: in Aubagne, Castelnodari, Calvi (Corsica island), Orange, Avignon, Nimes and Sant Cristolier, 4 - outside its borders: in Djibouti, French Polynesia, Mayotte Island (archipelago of Comoros) and French Guiana.


The locations of the regiments of the French Foreign Legion

The headquarters of the entire legion is now Aubagne (a city about 15 km from Marseille): the First Regiment (1 RE) is located in the barracks of Vieno, after evacuation from the Algerian city of Siddi Bel Abbes, which the legionnaires affectionately called the Beautiful Abbes (in it By the way, spagas were also located) the main headquarters of the Foreign Legion and its command were transferred.


Barracks in Siddy Bel Abbes in the XNUMXth century


A beautiful building of the General Staff of the Foreign Legion in the city of Aubagne

This monument to the fallen soldiers of the Foreign Legion was erected in Siddy Bel Abbes in 1932:


We see a globe lying on an armful of palm branches, which is guarded by four figures symbolizing the legionnaires of Algeria, Mexico, the colonial campaigns and the First World War. The initiator of the creation and installation of this monument was the "father of the legion" - Colonel Paul Frederic Rolle (it was described in the article "Dogs of War" of the French Foreign Legion ") At his request, the legionary of the colonial campaigns was given the resemblance to Major Brundso.


Major Brundso

Leaving Algeria in 1962, the legionnaires brought him to Aubagne:


The first regiment is now training, the main function of its troops is the primary training of recruits.

The second infantry regiment, which was formed back in 1841 on the basis of the 4th and 5th battalions of the First Regiment, is located in the Wallong barracks (the city of Nimes). It is curious that the regimental song of the second regiment is the German Anna Maria.


Barracks Wallong, Nimes


Caserne 2e REI, Nimes


Joint exercises of the second infantry regiment and the first engineer-sapper regiment of the Foreign Legion. From 2e REI - 5th company, from 1er REG - engineering platoon and medical team

The famous 13th semi-brigade is actually a regiment, however, in memory of past merits, it retained its name.


The 13th half-brigade of the Foreign Legion passes through Roman ruins. Lambaesis, Algeria, 1958

Until 2011, it was located in Djibouti. In these photos we see the soldiers of the 13th semi-brigade:


Soldiers of the 13th Brigade, Djibouti


Legionnaires in Djibouti

And here is the French combat reconnaissance vehicle ERC 90 Sagaie of the 13th semi-brigade in the vicinity of Djibouti, 2005 photo:


French erc 90 sagaie

Then the 13th brigade was transferred to Abu Dhabi (UAE), and now has returned to France.

In this photo, the fourth regiment of the Foreign Legion leaves the barracks of Denjou, city of Castelnodari, France (1980):


This regiment has an officer school and a school for sergeants.

Many recruits who went to study at the Castelnodari school recall the time spent there as a nightmare: they had to work literally for wear and tear.

In addition to infantry, in the Foreign Legion there are parachute landing, tank (armored cavalry), engineer-sapper regiments (by the way, only sappers are currently allowed to let go of their beards).


The paratroopers of the second parachute regiment of the Foreign Legion

The structure of the paratrooper regiment of the legion (2e REP, located in the barracks of Raffali, the city of Calvi, Corsica) includes special forces units, which are recruited from volunteers with the rank of at least a sergeant, - CRAP (Commandos de Recherche et d'Action dans la Profondeur).


GCP (Parachute Commando) member from 2e REP (left) with a 17e RPG, March 8, 2013

The regimental holiday 2e REP is celebrated on September 29, the day of the Archangel Michael, who is considered the patron saint of paratroopers.


All regiments of the legion are part of the larger military formations of the French army. For example, the second parachute regiment is part of the 11th parachute brigade, and the first armored cavalry is part of the 6th light armored division.

The most difficult is the service in the third infantry and second parachute regiments. It is difficult to serve in a parachute regiment due to constant high loads and extremely tough daily routines. Moreover, some companies of this regiment have their own unique training programs: the 1st company specializes in fighting in the city, the 2nd company specializes in war in the mountains, the 3rd company is engaged in naval operations, and the 4th company carries out sabotage and reconnaissance operations.


Third company of the second parachute regiment of the Foreign Legion


2e REP legionnaire at Calvi, Corsica, 1965

The third infantry regiment was previously stationed on the island of Madagascar, it is the second in the legion in the number of awards, and its regimental holiday falls on September 14 - this is the date of the breakthrough of the Hindenburg line in 1918. Currently, it is located in Guiana, a place that the French used to call the “dry guillotine”: in the first half of the 97th century, mortality in prisons of three nearby islands (Ile de Salou archipelago) and three mainland reached XNUMX%.


French Guiana map

The most famous convict of Guiana is the former commander of the Rhine and Northern armies, General Pishegru, whom Napoleon called St. Helena "the most capable of the generals of the Republic." By the way, he became one of the few who managed to escape from Guiana. Another “celebrity” of the Guiana convict was the anarchist Clement Duval, who also fled from the infamous “Devil's Island” in 1901.

Currently, legionnaires traveling to the "tropical paradise" of this overseas department of France receive up to 14 vaccinations against various diseases.

In Guiana, the main spaceport of the European Space Agency (Kourou) is located, the protection of which is one of the tasks of the third regiment of the legion. And so that the Legionnaires would not be bored, the Center d'entrainement a la foret equatoriale was built nearby - a training center for survival in the jungle. The training course consists of modules of varying complexity, the simplest of which teaches you not to die within four days (under the supervision of an experienced instructor). The second level of difficulty is covert movement, ambush organization, reconnaissance and surveillance. The third - training in command of the unit during sabotage or counterguerrilla operations. The fourth is an autonomous raid with a minimal survival kit. Legionnaires receive injuries during such classes regularly, often life-threatening.


Legionnaires in the jungle of Guiana


Banner of the Third Regiment of the Foreign Legion

The “youngest” unit of the Foreign Legion is the second engineer-sapper regiment (2-e REG), created in 1999. He specializes in mountain operations and is part of the 27th Mountain Infantry Brigade (27e brigade d'infanterie de montagne). It is located in the city of Sant Cristol.

Soldiers of the Second Engineering Combat Regiment:



2REG Foreign Legion

And here we see the teachings of the legionnaires of the DLEM unit (de Légion étrangère de Mayotte), Mayotte Island, 2007:


This is the smallest compound of the Foreign Legion, its motto is the Latin phrase Pericula Ludus (something like “Pleasure in danger” or “Danger - my game”).


DLEM division insignia worn on beret

Those of you who read the article “Bob Denard, Jean Schramm, Roger Folk and Mike Hoar: The Fate of the Condottieres”, we must remember that it was the DLEM legionnaires who in 1995 arrested the famous mercenary king Bob Denard in the Comoros, who wished to arrange another coup d'etat in this state.

Despite the fact that the Foreign Legion is currently one of the most combat-ready formations of the French army (it is often called the “tip of the French spear”), its rank-and-file military personnel receive the usual maintenance (modest base salary of 1200 euros or more) and do not have benefits in terms of compared to other parts.


Base Salaries of Foreign Legion Soldiers

During the fighting, the salary of military personnel increases significantly (second numbers in the table below). An additional 600 euros are paid to paratroopers.

Jean Moren, already mentioned by us in his interview, stated that in the Foreign Legion

“Non-commissioned officers receive a lower than average salary in France, as a skilled worker at the beginning of their careers. Experienced non-commissioned officers receive a salary as teachers at school ... Senior officers receive a salary, like senior personnel of enterprises. It means above average in France. ”

The salary is also affected by the number of children in the legionnaire's family.

After being injured or injured, during the time spent in the hospital, the legionnaires also receive a salary supplement of 50 euros per day. Insurance payments are also expected - up to 240 thousand euros. In the event of death, relatives indicated by the legionnaire himself can claim compensation in the amount of 600 thousand euros.

Since the Foreign Legion is a closed structure, its officers cannot count on the highest posts in the French army. The pinnacle of their career is the rank of brigadier general, who is usually assigned to the commander of units of the Foreign Legion, and the colonel - the commander of one of the regiments. However, only a few make their way to positions above these and in other military formations of France.

In the legion, punishments are practiced, which can be material (fines), disciplinary, but more often physical: from 30 to 50 push-ups. In winter, as a punishment for wrongdoing, you can spend the night on the street under a thin blanket:


According to the stories of modern veterans of the Legion, sometimes the more “traditional” methods of “physical impact” and “upbringing” are also used, but, as a rule, they are not systematic.

After a year of impeccable service, a soldier is awarded the title of second-class legionnaire. After another two or three years, he can claim the title of corporal. But to get the rank of sergeant (main corporal), there is little service - you still need to graduate from the school of non-commissioned officers. In the absence of serious violations of discipline after 8 years of service, a bonus of two annual salaries is paid.

In the Foreign Legion there are no differences in rations - no halal or vegetarian menu.


Legionnaire's rather modest breakfast

According to those who have served, the food in the canteens of the Legion is monotonous, and the food is not too tasty. The drafters of the menu are apparently inspired by the aphorism of Alexander the Great:

"The best cooks: for breakfast - a night transition, for lunch - a poor breakfast."

In this photo, found on the Internet, there is breakfast in Castelnodari, where the fourth regiment of the legion is located:


The exception is Christmas dinner, which is the second “special” day in the legion (the first is the Bastille Day parade). The third and last unusual day is a holiday in honor of the anniversary of the Battle of Cameron (it was described in the article "Dogs of War" of the French Foreign Legion ".


Foreign Legion Military Orchestra at Cameron, Aubagne, 2007

They say that the Cameron holiday resembles Saturnalia in Ancient Rome: soldiers and sergeants “swap places”, and ordinary soldiers even get “breakfast in bed”: black pudding (le Boudin) and coffee with rum, but without sugar. The youngest legionnaire is appointed chief of the barracks, and sergeants are involved in cleaning the premises. But it is unlikely that ordinary legionnaires, remembering that there are still 364 (and sometimes 365) days a year, are too abusing their “rights”.

In addition, each military unit of the Foreign Legion has its own regimental holiday.

Legionnaire’s annual vacation is 45 working days. In addition, single legionnaires after retirement can settle in one of the "veteran houses", for example, in Domaine Capitaine Danjou.

Many sources say that homosexuals are still not accepted into the Foreign Legion. Another requirement for recruits is to be unmarried: they will be able to get married after two years of service, and this will require official permission from the commander.

But they do not require knowledge of the French language from recruits — they quickly learn in the process of preparation under the "strict guidance" of a strict sergeant. Usually, a companion who knows the French language is usually assigned to a rookie, and both are punished for every misunderstood word.

The only benefit is the possibility of obtaining French citizenship and a pension.

Documents for obtaining French citizenship can be submitted in 3-5 years, but they say that upon completion of the first contract it is easier to get a resident card for a period of 10 years.

The legionnaire’s pension cannot be called very large - from 800 euros, its size is affected by the place and time of service, and for skydivers it is also the number of jumps. Previously, the minimum length of service was 15 years, now, depending on the circumstances, from 17 and a half to 19 years.

But even this turns out to be enough to make the service in the Foreign Legion attractive in the eyes of immigrants from poor countries (now soldiers of 130 nationalities serve in it). Currently, there are two pre-selection centers for candidates from all over the world to go to: camps near Paris and in Aubagne (Provence).


Aubani, Courtyard of Honor of the Foreign Legion

In addition to pre-selection centers, in nine cities in France there are legion recruitment offices where you can (in exchange for a passport) get a ticket to Paris or Aubagne.

The competition in the legion is comparable to the competition in the leading universities of France and even surpasses it (the exception is people with a medical education, who are on a special account and often come "out of competition").

Jean Moren quoted here in an interview from 2010 said:

“We [in the French army [have no recruitment problem. For ordinary people, maybe it's like a contest, 2 people per place. For non-commissioned officers there may be 4 in place or 5, in the Foreign Legion - 8 per place».

I admit, I recently nearly fell out of my chair after reading in one article the following literally:

“It’s enough for the French legionnaire to pull up four times, have healthy teeth and a little intelligence.”

However, various sources cite the following standards of physical preparation of candidates: 10 pull-ups, 30 push-ups, 50 squats, climb a six-meter rope without using legs, run 2800 meters in 12 minutes.


Soldiers of the Second Infantry Regiment of the Foreign Legion, 2013

A test to determine the degree of mental development, of course, is also conducted. Recruits age: 17 to 40 years old. True, persons under the age of 18 must bring with them permission from their parents.

The most striking and memorable detail of the form of the Foreign Legion are the famous white caps (Képi blanc), which, however, are worn only by ordinary soldiers (both with full dress and everyday). Caps are handed to recruits after taking the oath. Before this, the future legionnaire needs to pass the test with a march-throw with a full combat calculation, which can last more than a day, and the distance traveled can reach 60-70 km.


Legionnaires in caps

One of the official songs of the legion is called “White Caps”:

“It just so happened that our fate is a battle, and pain that must be endured.
We did not choose our fate - fate chose us.
And the guarantee is the strength of our souls,
The strength of our hands and hearts
Without choosing an easy road, knee-deep in mud
Go ahead White Caps.
Above the road are the White Kepi banners - and the road belongs to them.
And behind us is hatred
And ahead of us is the rumor that we are killers,
Black to mud drenched from head to toe.
Go ahead White Caps.
We are dying on the road.
We die - but win the battle
Swallowing black mud and the bitterness of loss
Go ahead White Caps.
Fate smiles at those who are furious, proud, those whose blood is hot.
"Honor and loyalty!" - we carry these words on our banners
From battle to battle.
And choking on the dirt, blacker than that,
Go, go ahead White Caps. "

Later green berets appeared, on the right side of which there is a stylized image of a grenade with seven flames. They are not worn with a full dress.


During the first four months, before taking the oath, the recruit can leave the location of the legion at any minute (the second parachute regiment leads in the number of "refuseniks"). After that, it takes up to a month to review the resignation report, and usually this month is one of the worst “deserters” in life.

A spokesman for the Foreign Legion, Lieutenant Gregory Gavrois, didn’t say that the typical recruit of this unit was “a restless person with a fragile psyche who decided to change his country, has lost its roots, and seeks to start life from scratch.” And therefore, the advertising slogans of the Foreign Legion are the call "Change your fate!" and its definition as "second chance schools." During the selection process, they still look at the petty offenses of the candidates through their fingers, but try to cut off people who have served their sentences for serious crimes and are accused of extremism and drug trafficking. “A legionnaire is rarely an angel, but never a criminal,” the official site of the Foreign Legion now assures.

And Colonel Pierre Framager is more optimistic:

“I’m not saying that the legionnaires are the best, but they are among the best! They have challenged themselves in life and have every reason to win. ”



French Foreign Legion Advertising Poster

And this advertising poster of the legion offers “to look at life in a new way” (or “to see another life”?)


Legion's own magazine (Kepi Blanc) should help a rookie get to know history of this combat unit:


After the collapse of the USSR, the legion included many immigrants from the former Soviet republics (as well as countries that were members of the Warsaw Pact), according to some reports, up to 30% of all personnel. In second place are immigrants from Latin America - 25%, least of all Asians - 8%. As a result, the official site of the legion appeared Russian-language version (in addition to French and English).

A Frenchman who wishes to join the legion as an ordinary, receives a new passport in which he appears as a citizen of some French-speaking country. Such may be Switzerland (where there are French-speaking cantons), Belgium, Luxembourg, Canada. This little trick allows French presidents to avoid uncomfortable questions from journalists about the deaths of unclear where and why French citizens. And mercenaries without a clan and tribe and with a suspicious biography ... Who are they interested in, who will consider them? It is believed that such “former Frenchmen” in the legion are now about 20% of the total number of military personnel.

In order to become an officer, you must first obtain French citizenship, but they still give him very reluctantly before leaving.


Foreign Legion Museum, courage awards

Foreign Legion units are the only ones officially prohibited from serving women. Susan Travers, who was the only exception to this rule, was described in an article “The French Foreign Legion in the First and Second World Wars”.

Women who now work in the structures of the legion (laundresses, cleaners, cooks and others) are civilian, they are not legionnaires.

They say that soldiers and sergeants who have served in the Legion are willingly accepted into modern private military companies, which were described a little in the article. "Private military companies: a respectable business of respected gentlemen".

And many former legionnaires from those who do not like the harsh order of the French barracks, or those who cannot find a place in civilian life, take the opportunity to find employment in these structures.

In the next article, we, as promised earlier (in the article “Zouaves. New and unusual military units of France "), let's talk about the zouaves of the armies of other countries.
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Articles from this series:
Ryzhov V. A. “Dogs of War” of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V. A. Russian volunteers of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V. A. The most famous Russian “graduates” of the French Foreign Legion. Zinovy ​​Peshkov
Ryzhov V. A. The most successful Russian “legionnaire”. Rodion Malinovsky
Ryzhov V. A. French Foreign Legion in the First and Second World Wars
Ryzhov V.A. Foreign Legion against Vietnam and the Dienbienf Catastrophe
Ryzhov V. A. "Fire in the Empire." Foreign Legion after World War II
Ryzhov V.A. Algerian war of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V.A. Battle of Algeria
Ryzhov V.A. Foreign Legion Commanders in the Algerian War
Ryzhov V. A. "The Time of Skydivers" and "Je ne regrette rien"
Ryzhov V.A. OAS and Delta: against de Gaulle and TNF
Ryzhov V. A. The tragedy of French Algeria
Ryzhov V. A. Combat operations of the Foreign Legion in the second half of the XNUMXth century Ctrl
Foreign Legion operations at the end of the XX and beginning of the XXI centuries
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 6 July 2020 06: 06 New
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    This monument to the fallen soldiers of the Foreign Legion was erected in Siddy Bel Abbes in 1932:
    We see a globe lying on an armful of palm branches, which is guarded by four figures symbolizing the legionnaires of Algeria, Mexico, the colonial campaigns and the First World War.

    less than 90 years have passed and France has no Algeria, no colonies (almost), no Mexico, but there is a rout of WWII.
    Legionnaires did not help ...

    The last frontier of defense was France itself.
    But....

    Thanks to the author for the work!
    1. Civil
      Civil 6 July 2020 06: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      This monument to the fallen soldiers of the Foreign Legion was erected in Siddy Bel Abbes in 1932:
      We see a globe lying on an armful of palm branches, which is guarded by four figures symbolizing the legionnaires of Algeria, Mexico, the colonial campaigns and the First World War.

      less than 90 years have passed and France has no Algeria, no colonies (almost), no Mexico, but there is a rout of WWII.
      Legionnaires did not help ...

      The last frontier of defense was France itself.
      But....

      Thanks to the author for the work!


      1. Not those times, with modern standards of colonialism, the natives themselves give all the resources for pieces of paper, France does not need to maintain an administrative apparatus and army. The native administration of their children and grandchildren keeps in France, as a guarantee of loyalty. The native population plows for a penny.
      2. The most delicious "paradise" islands the French have left for themselves. Guadeloupe, Martinique, Fr. Guinea..itp, see the list of overseas territories of France.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 July 2020 07: 05 New
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        Quote: Civil
        The French have left the most tasty "paradise" islands to themselves. Guadeloupe, Martinique, Fr. Guinea..itp, see the list of overseas territories of France.

        See the list of LOST overseas territories of France and compare with the remaining stub.

        Therefore, I wrote "almost no": this stub is "almost".

        PS Indochina was .... tasteless? belay
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 July 2020 08: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Civil
          The French have left the most tasty "paradise" islands to themselves. Guadeloupe, Martinique, Fr. Guinea..itp, see the list of overseas territories of France.

          See the list of LOST overseas territories of France and compare with the remaining stub.

          Therefore, I wrote "almost no": this stub is "almost".

          PS Indochina was .... tasteless? belay

          Time has put everything in place, the indigenous administrations (presidents, leaders, general secretaries, etc.) leave all revenues from the sale of resources in France, it turns out a triple effect of resources, all the former colonialists have all the money and there is no cost to maintain order in the colonies. Not to mention the departure of the most talented natives to the former metropolis.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 6 July 2020 08: 31 New
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            Quote: Civil
            administrations are native presidents, leaders, general secretaries, etc.) all revenues from the sale of resources are left in France, a triple effect is obtained

            What side is it to, for example, Indochina? request
            1. Civil
              Civil 6 July 2020 08: 48 New
              +1
              What side is it to, for example, Indochina?

              See France-Vietnam trade structure. Well, the Vietnamese elite is firmly connected with France, Ho Chi Minh himself was educated there.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 6 July 2020 09: 15 New
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                Quote: Civil
                See France-Vietnam trade structure.

                I look, and France is practically not there:

                The main import partners of Vietnam are China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, and Singapore.

                Vietnam's main export partners are USA, Japan, China, South Korea, Malaysia and Germany

                The largest investors were companies from South Korea (30%), Malaysia (11%), Japan (8%), Hong Kong, Singapore, China, Taiwan, Great Britain, the USA and Thailand.
                Quote: Civil
                Well, the Vietnamese elite is firmly connected with France, Ho Chi Minh himself was educated there.

                gone elite
            2. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 6 July 2020 12: 08 New
              +9
              I think the author has done a huge, titanic work. Thank .
              We all heard about the French foreign legion, but not in such detail.
              Not only well and detailed, but many different photographs are presented.
              The author of further success.
    2. L-39NG
      L-39NG 6 July 2020 15: 28 New
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      The Leger of the Entrangement is not a magic wand. There was also a high command with its policies and orders. May 28, 1940 German landing in the vicinity of Narvik. The French Foreign Legion defeated these Germans. in June 1941, part of the legion fought for De Gaulle, part for Vichy in Syria, for Damascus. The oasis Bir Hakeim, yes, Rommel won there, but at the cost of incomparably greater losses than the Foreign Legion had, and despite the fact that the Germans had many times superior forces. Few events? This is not a Soviet movie about liberation and not a "small land" from Brezhnev.
      And do not just make heroes of yourself. Europe began to fight against Hitler when two more mustachioed, one more, the other less, played love among themselves. And the number of victims is not a reason to be heroes, but a reason for grief.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 6 July 2020 19: 43 New
        -1
        The USSR fought with the Nazis in Spain in 1936, beat the Japanese Nazis 2 times, so no need to lie
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 July 2020 08: 42 New
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        Quote: L-39NG
        Europe began to fight against Hitler when two more mustachioed, one more, the other less, played love among themselves.

        She began to “fight” with him in 1935, when she presented the Navy with the Nazis, then in 1936 RHENA, then AUSTRIA, then SUDUETS, then CZECH REPUBLIC AND SLOVAKIA, SPAIN. Sclerosis?
        The entire military industry of Hitler, also loans from Europe and the United States
    3. nks
      nks 6 July 2020 19: 22 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      no colonies

      There are no colonies at all

      Quote: Olgovich
      Of Mexico

      Mexico never happened.

      Quote: Olgovich
      The last frontier of defense was France itself.

      With such guardians, you go, it will not be lost :))
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 July 2020 08: 54 New
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        Quote: nks
        There are no colonies at all

        fool overseas departments, from Mars fell to France?
        Quote: nks
        Mexico never happened.

        fool The second Mexican empire to the ignorant to help.
        Quote: nks
        With such guardians how are youGo, it will not be lost:

        belay fool lol
        1. nks
          nks 7 July 2020 09: 13 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          overseas departments, from Mars fell to France?

          Overseas departments are overseas departments, not colonies. I quoted above not quite correctly - emphasis on
          Quote: Olgovich
          (nearly)

          No colonies almost, quite no

          Quote: Olgovich
          The second Mexican empire to the ignorant to help.

          In-in - read-read :))


          Quote: Olgovich
          belay fool lol

          But you are rude in vain. Moreover, your uneven breathing to France and spelling gives :)))
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 July 2020 09: 59 New
            -2
            Quote: nks
            Overseas departments are overseas departments, not colonies. I quoted above not quite correctly - emphasis on
            Quote: Olgovich
            (nearly)

            There are almost no colonies, but not at all

            ONCE AGAIN: overseas departments - have fallen off MARS?
            What were they before the department?
            Quote: nks
            In-in - read-read :))

            What for? belay
            Quote: nks
            Here you are rude in vain. T

            belay fool lol
            Quote: nks
            Moreover, your uneven breathing towards France and spelling gives out

            Why "all the more"?

            France is indifferent.

            And what about spelling and what do you care about it? request
            1. nks
              nks 7 July 2020 10: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              ONCE AGAIN: overseas departments - have fallen off MARS?

              I explained what my comment related to. No need to replace the question.

              Quote: Olgovich
              What for?

              Capacitively!) A writer, but not a reader?))

              Quote: Olgovich
              France is indifferent

              And then what are you scribbling comments on the fate of France when the article is not about that?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 7 July 2020 10: 25 New
                -2
                Quote: nks
                I explained what my comment related to. No need to replace the question.

                And I explained. WHAT didn’t reach? request
                Quote: nks
                Capacitively!) A writer, but not a reader?))

                belay fool lol
                Quote: nks
                And then what are you scribbling comments on the fate of France when the article is not about that?

                1. What is your business? belay

                2. Where do I have a “pain” about the fate of France?

                3. Legion WHOSE? Whose fate determined? Can they be ... separated from each other?
                Tell the Legionnaires
                1. nks
                  nks 7 July 2020 10: 52 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich

                  1. What is your business? belay

                  I don’t have any. This is a question for you to think about your own motivations. bully

                  Quote: Olgovich

                  2. Where is my “pain” about the fate of France ?:

                  The word "pain" to put it in quotation marks, but you can say so - it is in your comments, including deliberate (in the spelling of other countries) spelling of France with a lowercase letter

                  Quote: Olgovich

                  3. Legion WHOSE?


                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Whose fate determined?

                  First of all, the legionnaires, probably still someone who came across him, but certainly not the fate of France, if you had this in mind.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Can they be ... separated from each other?

                  Legionnaires? Apparently, yes - especially when they left the service

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Tell the Legionnaires


                  "what for?" winked I would rather ask them something. Oh yes, you're a writer
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 July 2020 11: 54 New
                    -1
                    Quote: nks
                    This is a question for you to think about your own motivations.

                    1. What is this “for you to think about”, “spelling”? belay lol
                    2. Think back to who needs your .. questions to think back? fool
                    Quote: nks
                    The word "pain" to put it in quotation marks, but you can say so - it is in your comments, including deliberate (in the spelling of other countries) spelling of France with a lowercase letter

                    lol
                    My shift sticks. Did it get there?
                    Quote: nks
                    First of all, the legionnaires, probably still someone who came across him, but certainly not the fate of France, if you had this in mind.

                    lol And WHOM did Legton serve? not ..... France? And for .... "someone" who came across him? lol
                    Quote: nks
                    Legionnaires? Apparently, yes - especially when they left the service

                    Legion and France - if it didn’t reach again
                    Quote: nks
                    why? "I would rather ask them something. Ah, well, yes, you're a writer

                    Tired of you already empty chatter ....
                    1. nks
                      nks 7 July 2020 12: 14 New
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      My shift sticks. Did it get there?

                      If it sticks, fix it and don’t stoop to such ridiculous excuses.

                      Quote: Olgovich

                      Whose fate determined?

                      Quote: Olgovich

                      And WHOM did Legton serve?

                      “Served” and “determined fate” have very different meanings.

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Tired of you already empty chatter ....

                      I also hope that you finally do self-education good Good luck!
    4. Kronos
      Kronos 6 July 2020 19: 54 New
      -2
      Is it burning that peoples gained freedom from empires?
  2. Lepsik
    Lepsik 6 July 2020 06: 50 New
    -3
    --- 10 pull-ups, 30 push-ups, 50 squats, climb a six-meter rope without using legs, run 2800 meters in 12 minutes.

    these are nominations for cripples
    1. VLR
      6 July 2020 07: 16 New
      +8
      These are probably the basic requirements - to make sure that the recruit is not a hopeless hiliyak. And then - they themselves bring to the "necessary condition." In addition, pitching is not particularly needed in the same tank units.
      1. Anton S
        Anton S 6 July 2020 08: 13 New
        +3
        That's right, these are the minimum requirements, usually people who come there can do much more physically.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 6 July 2020 08: 45 New
          +3
          The TRP standards for the union were steeper for schoolchildren)))) we girls pulled up at least 10 times .. the truth was the sports class we had, but nonetheless ... food, to be honest, I thought they would say it is more tighter than in the pictures .. and of course the legend about super salaries .. everything turns out to be much more prosaic
          1. Anton S
            Anton S 6 July 2020 09: 03 New
            +7
            Yes, they feed normally there, the food is balanced, varied. In battle regiments, they usually don’t go to the dining room for breakfast — a light breakfast in their room, lunch is required, dinner is optional.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 July 2020 09: 18 New
            +7
            super salary legends ..
            Given the fact that a person does not need to think about food and housing - a normal salary.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 6 July 2020 13: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Given the fact that a person does not need to think about food and housing - a normal salary.

              This is also a myth - I know that now one of the former citizens of Ukraine specially went to serve in French Guiana, because there they really pay well and he needs to support his wife and two children. Since he plans to end his service in general, he wants to prepare for retirement. She has no housing in France, so the question is urgent for him and money will be needed. True, he served himself a pension, and apparently will be a reliable client for obtaining a loan from any bank in France, if he wants to buy a mortgage. But Ukraine lost four Ukrainian citizens forever, though the Russian Crimea, too.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 6 July 2020 13: 20 New
                +7

                This is also a myth -

                What is a myth? What does the Legion provide personnel with a roof over their heads, food and medical care in addition to their maintenance?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 6 July 2020 13: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  This is also a myth -
                  What is a myth?

                  That the legion provides housing for the legionnaire and his family in France - he needs to acquire his home after the end of the service at his own expense. By the way, medical insurance is also not free - as is customary in all NATO countries in relation to family members.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 6 July 2020 13: 42 New
                    +4
                    Where in my comments did you see even a word about the families of legionnaires or about veterans of the Legion?
                    1. Legionista
                      Legionista 6 July 2020 15: 27 New
                      +7
                      What is a myth? What does the Legion provide personnel with a roof over their heads, food and medical care in addition to their maintenance?

                      You are absolutely right. Moreover, there are two sanatoriums, in the mountains and at sea, anyone can use it on weekends, or during vacations, of course, not for free, but the price is symbolic, what to do- "Animal grin of capitalism" lol lol
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 19: 11 New
                        +3
                        That's what I'm talking about. By the way, comrade, enlighten what is the base rate of a legionnaire (because everything is very vague), and are taxes collected from it?
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 19: 25 New
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        By the way, comrade, enlighten what is the base rate of a legionnaire (because everything is very vague), and are taxes collected from it?

                        Read A. Negrivodu. He is a legionnaire.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 19: 32 New
                        +3
                        Thanks, I read.
                      4. Legionista
                        Legionista 7 July 2020 14: 31 New
                        +1
                        Do not read). Negrivoda has nothing to do with the legion). Raw fantasies) hi
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 7 July 2020 14: 35 New
                        0
                        Thank you for the information hi
                2. Legionista
                  Legionista 6 July 2020 19: 33 New
                  +7
                  Good evening. The author correctly pointed out in the article. The young legionnaire receives about 1200-1300 euros. And everything is really "very vague")), because various bonuses may be accrued to the salary, the so-called "prime de terrain" - field exits, "prime de l'air" - skydiving. Taxes are levied if the annual income exceeds a certain amount, I do not have up-to-date information, but in the early 2000s ordinary legionnaires paid taxes only at 2REP (of course, if they wanted to declare income, because for legionnaires this is all voluntary. However, to obtain a residence permit declare income for the last 3 years). This, by the way, to passport stories, etc. Citizenship is quite problematic.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 6 July 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    and the tankman doesn’t need it ... but do you have to swing the goose’s "typewriter"? do you need ..load shells? clean the barrel ... here you can’t do without physical strength
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 10: 29 New
      +5
      and the tankman doesn’t need it ... but do you have to swing the goose’s "typewriter"? do you need ..load shells? clean the barrel ... here you can’t do without physical strength

      reminded a famous movie about how the Japanese tank repaired wink that's for sure! drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 July 2020 12: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: VlR
    These are probably the basic requirements - to make sure that the recruit is not a hopeless hiliyak. And then - they themselves bring to the "necessary condition." In addition, pitching is not particularly needed in the same tank units.

    “Armor doesn't like sagging muscles.”
    Я I HEARD 10 pull-ups, 12 minutes 3 km. Specialties such as military assistant or sapper - do 5 pull-ups, walk three kilometers in 15 minutes - they will take))
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 22: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnodar
      I heard 10 pull-ups

      So with ... Is it with me that my 25 pull-ups will be taken away immediately to the specialist? And I push up 120 times in 45 seconds ...
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 July 2020 08: 47 New
    +8
    In this photo, found on the Internet, there is breakfast in Castelnodari, where the fourth regiment of the legion is located:
    Ugh, damn it! And here is barley! laughing
    Thank you, Valery!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 09: 47 New
      +5
      Ugh, damn it! And here is barley!

      otherwise wink Bolts, silvuple! laughing
      Sappers (pioneers) of the Foreign Legion. Military parade in honor of the anniversary of the capture of the Bastille, Paris, Champs Elysees. 2016 year

      As far as I understand, the fashion for bearded uncles with axes went from Napoleon? drinks
      There was a terrible battle of French drums, the glass rang in the windows of the burghers from the roar: it was from Tempelhof that an ominous crowd moved in the streets of Berlin, in huge bear caps, all tanned, all barefoot, and long black beards hanging down to the waist. Each of them dragged a huge ax on his shoulder, which the butchers use when cutting meat carcasses. The Germans took them for the executioners of Napoleon, but they were sappers. Behind them a handsome officer rode on a horse, discharged like a rooster, and juggled with a long stock, adorned with rubies and rhinestones - a tambourmajeur! (V.S. Pikul, "To Each His Own").

      The sappers of the French Foreign Legion arrived in Paris to take part in the Bastille anniversary parade. Third French Republic. July 13, 1939. The sappers of the French Foreign Legion, according to the tradition inherited from the time of Napoleon Bonaparte, are required to wear a broad beard. In addition, an ax and an apron are included in the parade uniform.
      Source: https://fishki.net/2350169-retrofotoassorti-chasty-2/gallery-4747657-sapyory-francuzskogo-inostrannogo-legiona-13-ijulja-1939-goda-parizh-photo.html © Fishki.net
      1. nks
        nks 6 July 2020 19: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        As far as I understand, the fashion for bearded uncles with axes went from Napoleon?

        Generally earlier, but with Napoleon it became regular, and in the legion essno later.

        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        In addition, an ax and an apron are included in the parade uniform.

        I must say that now the beard is included only in ceremonial uniforms, as a tribute to tradition at various ceremonies
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 22: 46 New
          +2
          the beard is now only part of the parade uniform

          Alexei, do you think they haven’t shaved for six months before the parade? wink Or do they have a special front Velcro beard? drinks
          Oh .. just yesterday I read about the French Revolution, the commissar-flayer and Teresa Talien personally. winked I read right up to three nights! In the morning I came to work - and then Valery gave another article about the French .. drinks I wish you new articles! fellow
          1. nks
            nks 6 July 2020 23: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Pan Kohanku
            Alexei, do you think they haven’t shaved for six months before the parade?

            It’s approximately the same - the parades are actually a summary part. Who wants to get there is getting ready.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 6 July 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    Their commander is now credited.
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 6 July 2020 12: 19 New
      +9
      At the moment, Commander I.L. - Brigadier General (General de brigade) Denis MISTRAL, he replaced the Division General (General de Division) Jean MAURIN July 26, 2018.
      Jean MAURIN currently Director of Protection and Security at RENAULT in Russia
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 15: 42 New
        +3
        Jean MAURIN currently Director of Protection and Security at RENAULT in Russia

        By the way, the satisfied, the satisfied! good “Logan” was a good workhorse for me, now for seven years I have been rejoicing in “Megan”. drinks
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 23: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          I’ve been happy for “Megan” for seven years now.

          Ugh, damn it, poked a finger, and a dent was formed. I had to putty.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 04 New
            +1
            Ugh, damn it, poked a finger, and a dent was formed. I had to putty.

            there are a couple of scratches until I cover up. They do not rot drinks
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 23: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              They do not rot

              Well, glory to the many-sided Shiva. laughing
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 10 New
                +2
                Well, glory to the many-sided Shiva.

                Shiva will not help if the head is sewn in! (Indian proverb) drinks no, a good car. Anton is a witness. drinks
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 23: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Pan Kohanku
                  Anton witness

                  laughing Did he use a lot? what
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 17 New
                    +1
                    Did he use a lot?

                    No way. Sober drove. stop And we use it exclusively without cars! drinks
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 23: 21 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pan Kohanku
                      Not. Sober drove.

                      My colleague somehow got drunk and went to the Crimea. For a day I got from the Tula region. On a penny.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 23 New
                        +3
                        My colleague somehow got drunk and went to the Crimea. For a day I got from the Tula region. On a penny.

                        it's called an "interesting movie" belay no, we will not repeat the feat. You can’t get in a drive while driving. stop Well him. drinks
  • Legionista
    Legionista 6 July 2020 12: 35 New
    +8
    I read the whole cycle with pleasure and interest. In my opinion, this is the most reliable presentation that I have seen here on the site and on other information platforms. Possible minor inaccuracies are by no means critical, as I.L. enough "living organism"))). What was 8-10 years old may not meet now. I'm not talking about what was I.L. 40-50-80 years ago. To the author- Thank you very much for the interesting information and the work done! With respect hi
    1. VLR
      6 July 2020 18: 10 New
      +3
      I am very glad that many people liked this cycle, but, of course, your opinion and your "colleagues" on a special account. Glad I appreciated the articles. Thanks for the caring reviews. And for the fact that their presence “inspired” me and stimulated me to “gnaw” information from everywhere, from where it was possible.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 30 New
        +4
        And for the fact that their presence “inspired” me and stimulated me to “gnaw” information from everywhere, from where it was possible.

        I will say from myself - I am grateful to you. good Hope we are still waiting for dashing Murat, prudent Bernadotte and Teresa Talien with protruding breasts personally. winked In your articles! drinks And also Gauche, Pishegru, Vendée and Georges Cadudal, swallowing glasses of wine without getting drunk. The fanatical executioners of the Jacobins, the relaxed Barras and ... the ascent of the guiding star of that same captain Buonaparte ... wink drinks thank! You, Valery, write and write! good
        1. VLR
          7 July 2020 18: 47 New
          +1
          Incidentally, I have two articles about Murat. If you haven’t read, you can see:
          https://topwar.ru/163673-dve-gaskonady-ioahima-mjurata.html

          https://topwar.ru/163867-ioahim-mjurat-geroj-stavshij-predatelem.html

          We will return to Napoleonic and post-Napoleonic France through an article about princes and bastards of the Bonaparte House.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 09: 07 New
            +1
            Incidentally, I have two articles about Murat.

            Was reading! But with pleasure I still read your articles about that era. yes
            We will return to Napoleonic and post-Napoleonic France through an article about princes and bastards of the Bonaparte House.

            But for this - I will say sincere thanks! good Beauharnais, too, were bugs — the second son of Eugene married the daughter of Nikolai Pavlovich, and his daughter was given out for his son Bernadotte! That is, the parents fought, and the descendants did their best to “put up with families”, thereby strengthening their dynasties. drinks
  • ccsr
    ccsr 6 July 2020 12: 56 New
    -1
    Author:
    Ryzhov V.A.
    Since the Foreign Legion is a closed structure, its officers cannot count on the highest posts in the French army.

    At the beginning of the series of articles, I described in detail why the service in the legion is not prestigious for the staff officers of the French army, which is why they are reluctant to go there to serve. realizing that there is no prospect there. But some "experts", having served one or two terms in the legion, tried to refute me, believing that they understand better than me the psychology of French officers. As it turned out, the author of the article came to this conclusion and I completely agree with him. By the way, my information was not from media articles about a foreign legion, but from more prosaic sources - professionals in their field worked in our military mission in the French zone of the FRG, and they knew firsthand the many subtleties of serving as officers in different structures of the French Armed Forces. So they gave detailed information about how things really are.
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 6 July 2020 15: 18 New
      10
      [quote] By the way, my information was not from media articles about a foreign legion, but from more prosaic sources — professionals in their military mission worked in our French mission in the French zone of the FRG, and they knew firsthand the many subtleties of serving as officers in various structures French Armed Forces [/ quo te]
      laughing French officers themselves reported on all the nuances of military service? And so as not to complicate, probably taught for this the Russian language, that would certainly information was accepted in full)))
      [quote] But some "experts", having served in the legion for one or two terms, tried to refute me, believing that they understand better than me the psychology of French officers [/ quote]
      I'm used to arguing my comments. So here are some facts from "some expert" for a "political officer who understands the psychology of French officers":
      -Paul LARDRY, army general (highest military rank of the French Armed Forces) commander I.L. in 1980-1982, in 1986-1988, Commander of the Rapid Reaction Forces (FAR), (for the political leaders from the Western Group of Forces, it was this general who commanded the "Moineau Hardi" maneuvers in the FRG in 1986. But apparently they forgot to report this to the "professionals") wink
      -Christian PIQUEMAL, General de corps d'armee (second in the hierarchy rank of the Armed Forces of France), commander I.L. in 1994-1999 In 1989-1992, deputy head of the military council under the prime minister (cabinet militaire du Primier ministre)
      Bruno DARY, Army General, Commander I.L. in 2004-2006, the military governor of Paris, head of the Defense Zone of Paris and the region (Ile-de-France) in 2007-2012
      -Alain BOUQUIN, General de corps d'armee. Commander I.L. in 2009-2011. Inspector General of the Ground Forces in 2013-2015
      Christophe de SAINT CHAMAS, General de corps d'armee, Commander I.L. in 2011-2014, the commander of the Northeast Military District (Region terre Nord-Ouest) in 2014-2017.
      [quote] At the beginning of the series of articles, I described in detail why service in the legion is not prestigious for staff officers of the French army, which is why they are reluctant to go there to serve. realizing that there is no prospect there. [/ quote]
      If the military career of the above generals is considered "unpromising", then alas)))))
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 17: 44 New
        +5
        Bravo, comrade!
      2. Legionista
        Legionista 6 July 2020 22: 14 New
        +2
        it was this general who commanded the "Moineau Hardi" maneuvers in Germany in 1986.

        I apologize for the wrong year. The Moineau Hardi exercises, also known as the Kecker Spatz (Brave Sparrow), were held in 1987. But the general was this wink
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 7 July 2020 11: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: Legionista
        French officers themselves reported on all the nuances of military service

        No, they didn’t report, they just talked with our missionaries, who were fluent in the French language, and, out of purely corporate solidarity, told us a lot of things that ordinary legionermas are not supposed to know.
        And so as not to complicate, probably taught for this the Russian language, that would certainly information was accepted in full)))

        All French missionaries in Potsdam were fluent in Russian — they were professional intelligence officers, and they were entitled to it by status, as were Soviet missionaries in the French zone of occupation. Our officers also constantly communicated with them - this was part of the protocol of the activities of the Allied armies. Some were even detained at our training grounds when they were reconnaissance too arrogantly.

        Quote: Legionista
        for a "political officer who understands the psychology of French officers":

        Past the box office, verbiage - I knew their psychology by virtue of my official duties, and the political leaders were engaged in the education of our personnel. It is immediately obvious that you did not serve a day in the Soviet Army.
        Quote: Legionista
        If the military career of the above generals is considered "unpromising", then alas

        Only four generals with a very modest term in command of the legion and quick retirement from it to other posts - you ridiculed me a "connoisseur" of the French army, which I learned more about in the GSVG in five years than you did for your couple of terms of service in the legion. People like you do not make an impression on me. You can impress those who have no idea about the French army, but not me. IL regiments of about a thousand people and less - this is generally a mockery for kurams for any military professional, but you can continue to convince everyone that being a legionnaire is cool. Although it’s already clear that they go there to serve from need or for a reason to get some specialty, and then transfer to the regular troops of the French army.
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 7 July 2020 13: 55 New
          0
          This is all demagogy, like Prokopenko’s with REN TV. Not a single fact and a reasonable argument. Maybe you and him are classmates on FEFU? laughing wink
          You, as a political officer, are given out by the frequent use of personal and possessive pronouns- "we, to us, to us"))))
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 7 July 2020 21: 06 New
            -1
            Quote: Legionista
            This is all demagogy, like Prokopenko’s with REN TV. Not a single fact and reasonable argument.

            The foreign legion is not even included in the forces of rapid deployment.

            Quote: Legionista
            You, as a political officer, are given out by the frequent use of personal and possessive pronouns- "we, to us, to us"))))

            You are betrayed as an ordinary shiver by the fact that you have no idea about the Conscientious Army and do not suspect that there are people better than you who know the French army, in which the foreign legion is too small a structure to take into account in the general balance of the armed forces. But you continue to campaign, although I do not think that there are still fools in Russia who will go to serve voluntarily in the Foreign Legion - you are behind the times, we are not nineties.
            1. Legionista
              Legionista 7 July 2020 21: 17 New
              -2
              Throw out your training manual for the political officer))) FAR do not exist since 1998. However, at the time of its existence, the 6th Armored Cavalry Division included 2 REI, 1 REC, 6 REG. The composition of 11 VDD included 2 REP.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 7 July 2020 21: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: Legionista
                Throw out your training manual for the political officer)))

                This is not a political training manual, but a document of official use for a limited contingent of GSVG officers. But it also shows that even during the Cold War, the Foreign Legion was not taken seriously by anyone, as it is now.
                Quote: Legionista
                However, at the time of its existence, the 6th Armored Cavalry Division included 2 REI, 1 REC, 6 REG. The composition of 11 VDD included 2 REP.

                Well, you yourself proved that the IL did not even trust the independent operational tasks, and he could not solve them without the division commander. That's why he was completely reassigned to the division commander, who was superior in status to any IL commander. You are still that "professional" as I look.
            2. Legionista
              Legionista 7 July 2020 21: 23 New
              0
              You, as an ordinary trepach, are betrayed by what you have no idea about the Conscientious Army
              lol
              1990-1992. VUS 172039)
              1. Legionista
                Legionista 7 July 2020 21: 28 New
                0
                Keywords for VUS-SLVI 71, developed in the year when you probably graduated from the university))
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 7 July 2020 21: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Legionista
                1990-1992.

                I thought that of the “jackets”, but it turned out that you were only urgent, and even that was bad, you just don’t know what your politicians were doing. Only I still do not understand why such a puppy delight from serving in a foreign legion, if the Soviet Army had units much more abruptly than in the IL? I understand that your need made you go there to serve, but this is not a reason to be proud of it - by the way, some who served there, just here in VO, discouraged the naive from repeating your example.
                1. Legionista
                  Legionista 7 July 2020 22: 08 New
                  -1
                  1992-1997VVUZ), 1997-2001 served as ZabVO. Further, as written)) some are reduced, young- green "by the state" in the national economy)))
                  but this is not a reason to be proud of it - by the way, some who served there, just here in VO, discouraged the naive from repeating your example.

                  He served honestly, there is nothing to be ashamed of.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 7 July 2020 22: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Legionista
                    He served honestly, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

                    And I would be ashamed to take off the epaulettes of an officer of the Soviet (Russian) Army and go to serve a foreign state. I have more respect for those who taxed as needed or worked as security guards at that time, which is why I don’t understand your choice. I understand those who, having no education and work, did not know where to put themselves at that time, and went to serve in the legion, but you seem to be not in this category. This is strange for me, I will not hide. By the way, from which country did you go to the legion?
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                    2. Legionista
                      Legionista 7 July 2020 22: 36 New
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                      And I would be ashamed to take off the epaulettes of an officer of the Soviet (Russian) Army and go to serve a foreign state

                      I was ashamed when Starley shot himself on duty. Because he was married, they didn’t pay money, someone put up with it, someone didn’t. Just do not “recall the hardships and deprivations of military service”. I remember evrything)
                      By the way, from which country did you go to the legion?

                      Directly from Russia.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 8 July 2020 12: 57 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Legionista
                        I was ashamed when Starley shot himself on duty.

                        In the part where I served, in the eighties a major shot himself on duty due to family troubles. So this is not an indicator for everyone who served at a time when there was relative stability.
                        Quote: Legionista
                        I remember evrything)

                        I also remember how I secretly earned money, realizing that my career could collapse instantly - and now what can I build out of myself as a “hero” who survived the troubled times?
                        Quote: Legionista
                        Directly from Russia.

                        This is strange for me. I returned from well-fed Germany to complete discord at the end of 1992, and I didn’t even think about staying in a foreign country, as some of those who served in the Western Peace Group did. Apparently I was just a more mature person than you when you made this decision.
            3. Anton S
              Anton S 8 July 2020 10: 16 New
              +2
              "The foreign legion is not even included in the forces of rapid deployment."
              I’ll let you insert my 5 kopecks because I also served in the Legion. In the 2000s, France actively promoted the idea of ​​including in the COS a landing regiment (combat 00), which would be assigned to assault missions. According to the fighting qualities of the 11th parachute brigade only 2 REPs came up. As a result, they didn’t include him there, because foreigners cannot serve in COS, but they didn’t include any other regular army parachute regiment there either. Formally, 2 REPs are not included in COS, but in fact, they use it. The last three operating rooms The jump is all on the REPa account.
              And about the prestige of serving in the legion for officers, you are mistaken. During his service, he crossed paths with cadet officers (before graduation, they have many different lengths of service: parachute jumping, mountain training, going to Djibouti, Guiana and before.) They spoke that the first of the release always choose either the legion or the paratroopers.
              And there are not so many legion officers in the top command, because they are few in percentage of the total mass of army, navy and air force officers. And to get to the very top you need to be not only a good officer, but also from the right family (officer- rather closed caste in France).
              And regarding the motivation for serving in the Legion, believe me, it’s not only money and documents, each one has her own, but there will be enough impressions for the rest of my life.
              Sincerely.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 8 July 2020 14: 07 New
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                Quote: Anton S
                . During his service, he crossed paths with cadet officers 3 times (before graduation, they have many different lengths of service: parachute jumping, mountain training, going to Djibouti, Guiana and before.) They said that the first ones from the graduation always choose either a legion or paratroopers .

                They go to serve there on purpose, in order to take any course, and after that they try to immediately leave for conventional troops. In Soviet times, too, many MBOU graduates went to ZabVO or TurkVO for a couple of years, so that later on they would have a mark in their characterization “started to serve in a remote garrison” and then quickly returned to “Taman”, “cantemation” or to the central apparatus. I think that the French cadets did not tell you sincerely about all their true motives, especially those who did not have a large military pedigree.

                Quote: Anton S
                And in order to get to the very top, you need to be not only a good officer, but also from the right family (officers are a rather closed caste in France).

                I completely agree, as well as with the fact that in the “right family” they are unlikely to be advised to go to their offspring in the IL, because they plan another military career for him. It was because of the caste of the French army that service in the IL was always considered a dutiful occupation, and this has not changed until now, although no one talks about it openly, and even admire the IL in parades.
                Quote: Anton S
                And regarding the motivation for serving in the Legion, believe me, it’s not only money and documents, each one has her own, but there will be enough impressions for the rest of my life.

                How about motivation to serve your country on a long trip or a long business trip outside the country? Is it not honorable for anyone who decides to make military service his vocation? Why get into the Foreign Legion, if not because of money - you can explain to me, if only because of curiosity.
                1. Anton S
                  Anton S 8 July 2020 15: 31 New
                  +1
                  I do not consider myself to be altruists; any hard work must be paid. But money was not my main motive. I wanted to see the world and show myself.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 8 July 2020 16: 04 New
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                    Quote: Anton S
                    But money was not my main motive.

                    And what was the main motive?
                    Quote: Anton S
                    I wanted to see the world and show myself.

                    My brother, for forty years, traveled around all the seas and oceans of the world as a senior electrician on various ships and visited more than 80 countries of the world, and in even more ports and airports. I think that he has seen much more in life than you could see in IL. Why doesn’t this career suit you? But alright, let you not like the sea, let’s leave it. What made you risk your head in the interests of a foreign state - do you think you left a mark in the history of France? An optimistic choice, you will not say anything ...
        2. nks
          nks 7 July 2020 13: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          in the French zone of Germany

          Quote: ccsr
          it was part of the protocol of the activities of the allied armies. Some were even detained at our training grounds.

          Some kind of mess. IN Germany already there were no occupation zones. While the armies were allied, there were no "our training grounds"


          Quote: ccsr
          Just four generals

          We expect from you at least one surname that you know "by virtue of your official duties"
          wait, wait .. :))
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 7 July 2020 21: 21 New
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            Quote: nks
            Some kind of mess. Germany no longer had occupation zones

            Meshanina in your head - in Germany there were three zones of the occupying forces.
            Quote: nks
            While the armies were allied, there were no "our training grounds"

            Our landfills were in the GDR - it was our occupation zone in accordance with the Potsdam agreements.
            Quote: nks
            We expect from you at least one surname that you know "by virtue of your official duties"

            Learn what I knew in my time
            1. nks
              nks 9 July 2020 14: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: ccsr
              in Germany there were three zones of the occupying forces.

              Separate western occupation zones existed until 48, then merged into one, and then, as a result of their abolition, Germany appeared.

              Quote: ccsr
              Our landfills were in the GDR

              Already better. Allied relations between the USSR and Western countries within the framework of the anti-Hitler coalition lasted until a maximum of 1947. When did the GDR form? Do you know?

              Quote: ccsr
              Learn what I knew in my time


              And can you find out which of these Monsieurs served in the MMFL and spoke Russian (I don’t ask about your personal contacts with them)?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 9 July 2020 15: 11 New
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                Quote: nks
                Separate western occupation zones existed until 48, then merged into one, and then, as a result of their abolition, Germany appeared.

                The occupation zones of Germany always existed, up to the unification of Germany, because the location of the occupying forces was secured by the Potsdam agreements. The borders of the occupation zones were clearly defined, and if there were any incidents with the troops, then the commanders of those zones in whose territory it happened were disassembled.
                Quote: nks
                Allied relations between the USSR and Western countries within the framework of the anti-Hitler coalition lasted a maximum until 1947

                Lies, because mandatory visits by the commanders of the four zones of occupation were routine planned activities. We were not allies, but the occupation zones themselves retained their borders. Moreover, even the corridors of passage to West Berlin, where there were also three zones of the occupying forces, were necessarily agreed with our Commander-in-Chief, as responsible for his zone of occupation.
                Quote: nks
                And you can find out which of these Monsieur served in the MMFL

                Find out if you are interested. You asked for the names of the French military - I brought them, so there is no need to wag and be clever. I did not have personal contacts with them, but I saw those who commanded the French troops in the FRG, because they had repeatedly come to Wünsdorf with official izites. It was an ordinary procedure, we even sometimes invited them to our classes on command training:
                Once, a small American group arrived at the GSVG headquarters to watch some training camp on the territory of one of the divisions (such delegations exchanged between former allies from time to time). And the devil pulled them to express a desire to drive to the gathering place on our vehicle together with the staff officers. They appointed a departure time, created a convoy of 8-10 buses, plus escort and at the appointed time, they left for a certain place (either Altengrabov, or somewhere else, I don’t remember). About two hours later, arrived at the place, unloaded and wait for the team.

                http://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2561&p=153055&hilit=творчество#p153055
                1. nks
                  nks 9 July 2020 15: 37 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  You asked for the names of the French military - I brought them, so there is no need to wag and be clever

                  MDA .... Then I will quote (or do you immediately forget what you write?)
                  "I knew their psychology by virtue of my official duties"
                  “they just talked with our missionaries, who were fluent in French, and spoke purely from corporate solidarity”
                  "All French missionaries in Potsdam were fluent in Russian"

                  So what can you say about psychology, service in the MMFL and knowledge of Russian of the French officers you quoted?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 9 July 2020 21: 53 New
                    +1
                    Quote: nks
                    So what can you say about psychology,

                    The fact that it is fundamentally different from the psychology of the ordinary and sergeant composition of the IL.
                    Quote: nks
                    and knowledge of Russian French officers brought by you

                    Why did you suddenly decide that the top military leaders of the French Armed Forces are required to know the Russian language? He was well known to those who worked against us as part of the French military mission, and I myself heard one of the officers speaking in Russian during another event when they visited the group headquarters. What is incomprehensible to you in this?
                    1. nks
                      nks 10 July 2020 16: 02 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      I myself heard a speech by one of the officers in Russian during a regular event when they visited the headquarters of the group. What is incomprehensible to you in this?

                      Yes, that’s clear enough for me - I won’t deprive you of the pleasure of acrobatic shoes (this is apparently deeply professional), but what kind of officer will you name? Did he say something about the legion?
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 10 July 2020 21: 18 New
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                        Quote: nks
                        But will you call this officer? Did he say something about the legion?

                        Don’t be stupid - information about the French army was obtained by our missionaries who served in the French zone of occupation, and they were fluent in French. Enlighten yourself, since you don’t know anything about it:
                        All members of the missions had permanent passes in two languages, freely moving around the territory of the occupation zone. The exception was the location of military units. The "missionaries" were obliged to wear military uniforms, to drive in official vehicles with special, one-of-a-kind numbers, which was a big minus for scouts. The mission under the US Army Commander-in-Chief in Europe is located on the outskirts of Frankfurt. In the spa town of Bad Salzuflen, which is 100 kilometers from Hanover, the Soviet mission is located under the commander of the British Rhine Army. Later, the mission will change its deployment and move to the nearby city of Bünde. But in the famous Baden-Baden, the Soviet communications mission was stationed under the commander of the French troops in Germany.
                        ..... The chief of the mission, his deputy (with the rank of colonel - major general), middle officers (with the rank of major-lieutenant colonel), As a rule, they were graduates of the Military Diplomatic Academy. Often they also had two academic entities. Indeed, in intelligence they tried to attract officers who had already proved themselves in practical work, who knew how to lead people. So, on his second foreign trip, Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel Ivan Lezhov, the head of the Soviet military mission under the Commander-in-Chief of the US Army in Europe in 1964-1970, arrived when he had three diplomas in his "officer satchel": the end of the Air Force, the Military diplomatic academies and the Academy of the General Staff.
      4. ccsr
        ccsr 7 July 2020 12: 27 New
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        Quote: Legionista
        -Paul LARDRY, army general (highest military rank of the French Armed Forces) commander I.L. in 1980-1982, in 1986-1988, Commander of the Rapid Reaction Forces (FAR), (for the political leaders from the Western Group of Forces, it was this general who commanded the "Moineau Hardi" maneuvers in the FRG in 1986. But apparently they forgot to report this to the "professionals")

        An interesting career - only two years he commanded the IL, and quickly departed from there to the rapid reaction force, which by the way parts of the IL are not included. This is the price of a "prestigious legion service" for a normal officer of the French armed forces. By the way, parts of ILs were never involved in large-scale exercises at the CE of the theater of military operations - we generally did not even include them in the reference books because of their small size and weak armament.

        Quote: Legionista
        Bruno DARY, Army General, Commander I.L. in 2004-2006,


        Quote: Legionista
        -Alain BOUQUIN, General de corps d'armee. Commander I.L. in 2009-2011.

        Two years of command of the IL - this speaks about everything about these generals and about their desire to serve in the legion.
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 7 July 2020 13: 43 New
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          Two years of command of the IL - this speaks about everything about these generals and about their desire to serve in the legion.

          lol Too lazy to translate from French into Russian the entire biography of these and other generals. For this I write the name, surname and title in its original form. With a sufficient level of intellectual development, as well as with access to the media, everything can be found). For the politicians I’ll explain, to become the commander of I.L. it is necessary, at least, to occupy the primary officer position in the units of I.L.
          1. Legionista
            Legionista 7 July 2020 13: 49 New
            +1
            we didn’t even include them at all in reference books because of their small size and weak armament.
            wassat
            That is why in I.L. greatly offended by you)), depressed, and flew to Africa to hunt oppressed natives))))
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 7 July 2020 17: 12 New
              +4
              I think your opponent understands everything well, but continues the argument out of ideological stubbornness. Of course, if the future conflict is presented exclusively in the form of tank wedges to the English Channel with a dozen nuclear mushrooms on the horizon, then several thousand well-trained light-armed infantrymen may not play a special role (although this depends on the use, they will undermine something important or organize several centers of resistance and everything will become sad).
              But according to this logic, and, let’s say, the military formations of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces "this is generally a taunt to the chickens." Yes, and the Soviet Airborne Forces, it turns out, have not far gone - the same light infantry, in general. And nothing, over time, the landing "birds", Rooks with Swans, took the whole army to their hands.
              1. Legionista
                Legionista 7 July 2020 18: 16 New
                +2
                Of course, if the future conflict is presented exclusively in the form of tank wedges to the English Channel with a dozen nuclear mushrooms on the horizon, then several thousand well-trained light-armed infantrymen may not play a special role

                I agree with you categorically good . Legionnaires are precisely "well-trained foot soldiers." In a bear circus they teach to ride a bicycle, and in 5 years you can confidently teach a person in the specialty “00” (French equivalent of our VUS 100000A) hi
                1. Ryazan87
                  Ryazan87 7 July 2020 20: 07 New
                  +3
                  Unfortunately, in the post-war Soviet army with well-trained infantry (motorized riflemen, I mean), there was a rather tense situation. Why? But your opponent demonstrates why: “there is no method against scrap”, why bother when we have armored tanks, special warheads and artillery with 250 barrels per kilometer of front. And so it goes.
                  Although in the GSVG, combat training was conducted intensively, if compared with troops within the Union.
                  As a result, in real, not planned wars, they began to use the same paratroopers as ordinary infantry, because they knew how to at least minimally.
                  They took here, for example, and dispersed the mountain rifle units - "the hens are laughing," on donkeys with mortars. And 10 years have not passed, the Afghan campaign has begun - hello hot ...
                  1. Legionista
                    Legionista 7 July 2020 20: 43 New
                    +2
                    I agree with your point of view.
                    As a result, in real, not planned wars, they began to use the same paratroopers as ordinary infantry,

                    Sometimes this comparison is very frustrating paratroopers, but, alas, it was. You can also recall how the Marines of the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet were used in the First and Second Chechen War.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 7 July 2020 21: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                I think your opponent understands everything well, but continues the argument out of ideological stubbornness.

                This is a professional assessment of IL, you just can not understand it.
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                But according to this logic, and, let’s say, the military formations of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces "this is generally a taunt to the chickens."

                Your ignorance surprises me - the parts of the GRU of the General Staff are support parts, and ILs are all the same combat units. Do you even figure this out first when you start comparing them in terms of quality and capabilities, otherwise professionals will laugh at you. By the way, in some parts of the GRU the General Staff served more officers than they were in the entire Foreign Legion during the collapse of the USSR - and this is a fact.
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                Yes, and the Soviet Airborne, it turns out, not far gone - the same light infantry,

                One Airborne Division was almost one and a half times larger than the entire Foreign Legion in number, and I am not even talking about weapons. So be careful with such statements.
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                . And nothing, over time, the landing "birds", Rooks with Swans, took the whole army to their hands.

                Yes, they were primary fools, and a bad memory remained for both - one could not find a normal subordinate and climbed into Grozny without proper preparation, and the second was cursed in the army for the “peace” that he signed. Your "good" guidelines are for those who are now serving ...
                1. Legionista
                  Legionista 7 July 2020 21: 58 New
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                  This is a professional assessment of IL, you just can not understand it.
                  lol lol lol
                  By the way, in some parts of the GRU the General Staff served more officers than they were in the entire Foreign Legion during the collapse of the USSR - and this is a fact.
                  accountants from NATO or ATS counted? wassat
                  So be careful with such statements.
                  belay belay belay
                  And what will happen ?? Duel)?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 7 July 2020 22: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Legionista
                    accountants from NATO or ATS counted?

                    You apparently are not able to understand that some of the servicemen had data on the staffing structure of not only the formations of the Soviet Army, but also of our probable enemy.
                    Quote: Legionista
                    And what will happen ?? Duel)?

                    I think there will be a debunking of myths about IL, and how French officers "dream" of getting there, especially after a service flight.
                    1. Legionista
                      Legionista 7 July 2020 22: 13 New
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                      Given that you are older than me in age, I apologize for the possibly rudeness.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 7 July 2020 22: 24 New
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                        Quote: Legionista
                        Given that you are older than me in age, I apologize for the possibly rudeness.

                        Come on, apologize - here we are all users with our point of view, and if they sharply uphold it, then there are unpleasant assessments regardless of age. I am a realist, and I don’t bother with this - I see no reason to be offended by someone for what he expressed here. Moreover, here and inadequate often scribble different nonsense.
                2. Ryazan87
                  Ryazan87 7 July 2020 23: 05 New
                  +3
                  you just can't understand it.

                  The argument is what you need. However, I really do not quite understand what you want to prove. What are legionnaires poorly trained? What Legion as a combat unit can not be taken into account? That the officers of the Legion in the French army are somehow particularly disliked? If you meant that IL couldn’t defeat the Soviet army alone, well, yes, of course.
                  Your ignorance surprises me - the parts of the GRU of the General Staff are support parts, and ILs are all the same combat units.

                  Well, if we consider the 2nd parachute landing regiment of the IL, then why not compare in quality and capabilities. However, if you want to be surprised and laugh - at health.
                  in some parts of the GRU, the General Staff served more officers than they were in the entire Foreign Legion during the collapse of the USSR — and this is a fact.

                  AND? And in the Soviet army, officers, in principle, served significantly more than in the French - also a fact.
                  One Airborne Division outnumbered the entire Foreign Legion by almost one and a half times
                  - it was, we note, not about the number.
                  Yes, these were primary fools, and both of them had a bad memory.

                  Here I agree with you. The Airborne Lobby has done a lot of damage to both the Soviet army and the Russian.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 8 July 2020 13: 23 New
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                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    However, I really do not quite understand what you want to prove. What are legionnaires poorly trained?

                    Trained in the same way as the entire French army, with some specifics necessary for foreign business trips - such as our military police in Syria.
                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    What Legion as a combat unit can not be taken into account?

                    Of course, you can’t take it into account - the legion does not even draw for a full-fledged formation of the French army. Well, you can’t bother with such structures, otherwise we will drown in a sea of ​​unnecessary information. By the way, one of those who served there, he himself said that their units would actually be drawn into a light armored cavalry division - that’s the answer that we must take into account.
                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    That the officers of the Legion in the French army are somehow particularly disliked?

                    Do not distort - I did not say that. I only claimed that the overwhelming majority of Saint Cyr graduates are unlikely to go to serve in the Foreign Legion, because there is too little prospective service, and the contingent is not at all one to be proud of later. In France there are more elitist formations and regiments, and the composition there will be of higher quality.
                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    AND? And in the Soviet army, officers, in principle, served significantly more than in the French - also a fact.

                    That is why we did not stoop to taking into account the Foreign Legion as a full-fledged military formation in France.

                    Quote: Ryazanets87
                    - it was, we note, not about the number.

                    The matter is not only in numbers, but also in quality, our airborne regiments are much stronger from the point of view of armament and the training of commanders in operational-tactical terms. If you carefully studied the dispersion of the regiments of airborne regiment, and compared them with the placement of regiments of the airborne forces, then you would understand that the commander of the airborne division would conduct the exercises at a higher level, fulfilling the tasks of the connection. Of these "little things" and military skill develops.
                    1. Anton S
                      Anton S 8 July 2020 14: 23 New
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                      "And the contingent is not at all the same to be proud of it later. In France there are more elitist formations and regiments, and the composition there will be of higher quality."
                      Can you give an example, what kind of shelves are these?
                      For example, 2 REP is considered the best regiment of the 11th parachute brigade.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 8 July 2020 14: 40 New
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                        Quote: Anton S
                        Can you give an example, what kind of shelves are these?

                        Unfortunately, now there is no directory at hand, but from memory I can definitely say that those regiments and formations that fought against Germany in the 19th century have a higher status in the French Armed Forces system. Of the more modern units, aviation regiments are especially respected, especially those that can carry nuclear weapons by air. As far as I remember, the most prestigious are the commanders of submarines with ballistic missiles on board - this is almost the national pride of France. However, I could miss something - too much time has passed since when I was interested in it. That is why a beginner career officer is not always advised to go to IL - there are other ways to advance in the service.
                      2. Anton S
                        Anton S 8 July 2020 15: 21 New
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                        You just pointed out in your comments that “the contingent there is not at all the same.” The contingent there is just the same. And what determines the membership of the elite of a regiment? In the modern world, certainly not the number of battles that are written on the regimental banner, and the number of operations carried out. And an officer who did not participate in them will never advance the career ladder, be his regiment at least three times elite once.
                        Legion officers make a career in the French army and only then can they get to the very top. To serve in the submarine fleet and aviation is prestigious everywhere, but, as a rule, with rare exceptions, they do not later become chiefs of the General Staff. The chances of a French officer to make a successful career are not great if he did not command a platoon and a company of paratroopers or legionnaires (submarines and aircraft did not attack everyone).
                        In general, the Foreign Legion is the elite of the army, 2 REP, in particular, the elite of the 11th brigade, which combines the airborne regiments of France.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 8 July 2020 15: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Anton S
                        You simply pointed out in your comments that "the contingent is not at all there."

                        Not exactly that - there are too few native citizens of France among ordinary and sergeant personnel.

                        Quote: Anton S
                        And what determines the membership of the elite of a regiment?

                        The further career of his commanders and senior officers.
                        Quote: Anton S
                        And an officer who did not participate in them will never advance through the ranks, even if his regiment was at least three times elite once.

                        You just don’t have to tell this - you yourself claimed that the caste was highly developed, and from which family the officer was more important than his service in the legion.

                        Quote: Anton S
                        Serving in the submarine fleet and aviation is prestigious everywhere, but, as a rule, with rare exceptions, it is not they who later become the chiefs of the General Staff.

                        This is not so - in the directory I gave the name of the admiral, chief of staff of the French Armed Forces, you can see his career yourself.

                        Quote: Anton S
                        The chances of a French officer to make a successful career are not great if he did not command a platoon and company of paratroopers or legionnaires

                        Do not tell me, the legion does not even have heavy weapons. And how then can the regiment commander from IL become the chief of staff of the French heavy division? No need to fantasize, there are their own orders, which do not differ much from those in other armies of the world, and a healthy careerism will not allow advancement for those who do not have the command of full-fledged parts of France.
                        Quote: Anton S
                        In general, the Foreign Legion is the elite of the army, 2 REP, in particular, the elite of the 11th brigade, which combines the airborne regiments of France.

                        Perhaps in the legion they think so, only the reality there was different - at least according to our military experts. How can the legion be an elite if it does not have OTR and heavy armored vehicles in service, not to mention more complex systems that allow the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
                      4. Anton S
                        Anton S 8 July 2020 16: 54 New
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                        And what, that there is little native population there? Human material there is an order of magnitude higher than the regular army.
                        Belonging to the elite is determined not by the further career of its officers, but by operations.
                        Yes, I argued that caste was developed in the French army, but if you were even the son of a generalissimo, you would not advance higher if you did not participate in operations.
                        About the admiral from the directory, I said that they did not become chiefs of the General Staff, with rare exceptions.
                        About heavy weapons: if an officer did not command howitzer artillery, this does not prevent him from making a successful career in the army.
                        Well, about nuclear weapons, you have already gone far. In your opinion, it turns out that only the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation are the elite of the Armed Forces, and all the rest in Russia are not.
                        The elite of the unit lies in the operations carried out and conducted by it, and not in potential opportunities.
                      5. Ryazan87
                        Ryazan87 8 July 2020 21: 49 New
                        +1
                        During the discussion, I became interested in the current state of the French army (Source - “White Paper on Defense”, data for 2017).
                        Total:
                        French Ground Forces (Armée de terre française) - 131 thousand people. Including about 66 тыс. - in combat units.
                        Foreign legion - 8,9 thousand people (i.e. 6,7% of the total number of ground forces)
                        There are no divisions as such now (in 1989 they were), there are only headquarters. The main unit is the brigade.
                        The structure is taken from an open source (for 2018) - IL is highlighted in red, very clearly:

                        Well, you need to consider:
                        "... According to the degree of combat readiness, of the above, the full states always contain only parts of the Foreign Legion that acquire full combat readiness within 72 hours of receipt of the order. The 5rd and 7th lungs can be raised within 3-6 days and The 11th Parachute Brigade, which belongs to the category of rapid deployment forces. "
                        “The total strength of the French Army’s high alert forces is approximately 20–23 thousand. Of these, the Joint Reaction Force totals only 5000.”
                        “There have been no major exercises at least at the brigade level in France since 2006, and regimental exercises since 2008. The full battalion went to the training ground for the last time in 2010.” *
                        That is in view of this and it is worth making conclusions, IMHO.
                        And so yes, the commander of one of the 4 French SSBNs or there, Charles de Gaulle, is cooler than an IL officer. But it’s easy to compare incorrectly from the word at all, especially since Saint-Cyr has repeatedly trained officers of the ground forces, and not of the fleet.
                        * data for 2017
                      6. Legionista
                        Legionista 8 July 2020 22: 33 New
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                        hi Here is a comment with facts and arguments. good
                        units of the Foreign Legion that are fully operational within 72 hours of receipt of the order.
                        . That's right. This is called the Alerte GUÉPARD. 72-hour availability is replaced by 48-hour availability, then 24 and 12-hour availability. It was on this alarm that 2REP flew to Kolwezi in 1978.
                      7. Legionista
                        Legionista 8 July 2020 22: 44 New
                        -1
                        There was another, not very advertised reason. In 1978, the Feast of the Holy Trinity- (PENTECÔTE) fell on May 14th. All regiments that were on duty were unable to quickly assemble their l / s, because all went home. In 2 REP this problem was not - “Legio-Patria Nostra”. 98% l / s was in the regiment.
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 9 July 2020 14: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      That is in view of this and it is worth making conclusions, IMHO.

                      Conclusions must be drawn from other definitions of the Strategic Review, and not from what you refer to:
                      For the first time since the end of the Cold War, Russia is seen as a source of military threat to Europe. It is noted "the deployment of large Russian groupings of troops near the borders of European countries," "the illegal annexation of Crimea, followed by an increase in military presence and the transformation of the peninsula into a bastion on the Black Sea, just like Kaliningrad in the Baltic states," "military intervention in the conflict in the Donbass and the lack of progress in the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, "" a provocative demonstration of military force in the Baltic region, "" an increase in the intensity of military activity in the northern Atlantic (flights of strategic bombers, patrolling submarines). "

                      That is why, based on the concept of "deterrence", France relies on its strategic nuclear forces, and not on the IL units, which are better than others capable of fighting in overseas territories:
                      In this regard, France intends to continue to provide the necessary level of combat readiness of the naval and air component of the strategic nuclear forces (SNF). Currently, the marine component is represented by a squadron of nuclear missile submarines. The squadron includes four SSBNs of the Triumfan project, which are armed with three sets of ballistic missiles of 16 M-51 SLBMs. The air component includes 32 Rafal F3 carrier aircraft and 20 Mirage-2000N aircraft, ready to use 52 ASMP-A missiles with nuclear warheads.

                      Foreign military review. 2018, No.4 S. 19-26
                      And I’m not saying this, but Colonel A. Shapovalov, doctor of military sciences, associate professor, with whose opinion I completely agree, but you can continue to blow into your tune about IL, and how he will fight against Russia.
                    3. Ryazan87
                      Ryazan87 9 July 2020 14: 54 New
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                      and you can continue to blow into your dupe about IL, and how he will fight against Russia.

                      But to invent something for the opponent, and then refute it somehow .. well, at least unprofessionally wink
                      I meant: 1. IL currently plays an important role in the structure French Army and is practically the most combat-ready part of them. And most importantly - ready to join the battle in an extremely short time. 2. To judge the combat value based solely on the number + presence of heavy weapons is very reckless.
                      Where did I write about the war with Russia? Although, by the way, in the framework of a conflict like Donbass (and this is the most realistic version of the collision in the European theater of operations now), IL will be much more sense than all SSBNs combined.

                      You first started talking about the "heavy divisions", then when it turned out that there were no divisions in France for a long time, you came to the conclusion that SSBNs are very cool and elite in comparison with the infantry. Because, it turns out, within the framework of the concept of "containment" of Russia (which is named one of the sources military threat), France is betting on strategic nuclear forces. And I, a sinner, thought that they decided to arrange Borodino with motorized infantry, and with Leclerks (instead of cuirassiers). Thanks, enlightened.
                      Then the following story, how officers do not want to serve in the IL, because there, you see, it is impossible to get the proper command experience. And this is taking into account the fact that in France at least brigade exercises have not been conducted for about 15 years. Of course, sitting in a cropped brigade without a real chance to participate in at least some kind of military operation is an invaluable experience.

                      There are potential threats and conflicts, but there are real ones. Why bother them in one boiler?
                    4. ccsr
                      ccsr 9 July 2020 21: 35 New
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                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      I mean:

                      I don’t know what you meant, but I gave you the opinion of a military professional, and nothing is said about the legion there.
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      You first started talking about the “heavy divisions”, then when it turned out that there were no divisions in France for a long time,

                      Who told you that they are not there, if they are deployed in the same way as our cadre divisions in all the internal districts of the USSR. Do you even know that at that time only the GSVG had fully equipped armies with five divisions, and in the districts of the army they had, at best, one fully deployed division, and everything else was of a reduced composition. France went the same way because it saves the military budget.
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      And this taking into account the fact that in France at least brigade exercises have not been conducted for 15 years.

                      But are you an expert on their command-staff exercises at the level of the corps and above, that you immediately decided that since there were no brigade exercises, then in general everyone had scored for combat training? Do not tell me - even front-line KSUs could be carried out here without the involvement of troops, and the armies were used only to imitate the exchange of information, so that the reports resembled real changes in the operational situation.
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      There are potential threats and conflicts, but there are real ones. Why bother them in one boiler?

                      You’d better carefully read what they write about IL and compare their 72-hour readiness (three days!) With at least the daily readiness of our first-line enlistees who, after 24 hours, held military posts in the country's air defense or in some other parts, where there were strict standards for admission of enlisted personnel. And you want to prove something to me regarding the IL, although it is clear to me that their readiness is just a kindergarten, compared with the readiness of 45-55 minutes of shelves in the GSVG. Do you even know anything about our combat readiness before you admire the order in the IL? I think that your knowledge is too superficial, and this is noticeable.
                    5. Ryazan87
                      Ryazan87 9 July 2020 23: 15 New
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                      I don’t know what you meant

                      I already understood that. As for the French assessment of military threats, please, "White Paper on Defense and National Security for the period 2014 - 2025":
                      "... The doctrine proceeds from the fact that the country's unique geographical position precludes any direct threat of global war directly in Europe. However, it is noted that threats requiring military reflection can arise in other regions of the world. In particular, difficulties are mentioned in Sino-Japanese, "Russian-Japanese, Japanese-Korean relations, the dangerous situation around the DPRK, the Indo-Pakistani conflict and the situation in Afghanistan. The growing threat of international terrorism and the threat of destabilization in the Sahel region, important for France, are separately noted." Of course, Colonel A. Shapovalov can adequately assess the likelihood of a land conflict between France and Russia, and therefore wrote what he wrote.
                      Who told you that they are not there, if they are deployed in the same way as our cadre divisions in all the internal districts of the USSR.

                      About the "castrated" divisions I "at least" know. And as for "just the same," I strongly doubt: "The French command plans to form divisions or any other large military units only" locally "based on the specific composition and nature of the threat." In the USSR, however, it was not so at all.
                      Who takes experience from anyone, mindful of the Serdyukov reforms of the "brigade", is also a big question.
                      It’s funny, but historically the French already had something like such a system, exactly before the 1870 war. They also began to form divisions "in fact" and "need" during the period of mobilization and the outbreak of war. Well it is, aside.
                      that since there are no brigade exercises, then in general everyone scored on combat training?

                      again ascribe to me your own thoughts. I didn’t say that. And yes, KSH is an excellent thing, but it is impossible to completely replace them with real teachings. Real combat experience, by the way, too. Why? Mr. Clausewitz wrote excellently about this (I certainly read it, I am sure of it).
                      You would better read carefully what they write about IL and compare their 72 hour readiness (three days!) With at least the daily readiness of our first-priority assignees .. their readiness is just a kindergarten, compared with the readiness of 45-55 minutes of shelves in the GSVG ..

                      Those. from comparing IL with other parts of the ground forces of France, we smoothly proceed to comparison with the troops of the Northern Fleet, which for almost 30 years has not existed. Well, OK.
                      I think that your knowledge is too superficial, and this is noticeable.

                      Well, I did not proclaim myself a professional. So, an amateur interested.
                      And by the way, you just wrote "... Of the more modern units, aviation regiments are especially respected, especially those that can carry nuclear weapons by air."
                      If anyone is interested: the Strategic Aviation Command (Commandement des forces aeriennes strategiques) includes:
                      - fighter-bomber aviation squadron "Gascony";
                      - fighter-bomber aviation squadron "Lafayette";
                      - refueling air squadron "Brittany".
                      That's all the "shelves"
                      The structure of the French Air Force.
                3. nks
                  nks 9 July 2020 15: 45 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  That is why, based on the concept of "deterrence", France relies on its strategic nuclear forces, and not on the IL

                  She has always done this since the creation of the strategic nuclear forces. In the Russian Federation Airborne Division or something containment do you think provide? Each type and unit has its own tasks. Listen, what graduate school did you get to know?
                4. ccsr
                  ccsr 9 July 2020 21: 43 New
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                  Quote: nks
                  She has always done this since the creation of the strategic nuclear forces.

                  So even more so, it was not worth fooling people about the charms of the Foreign Legion, which against their background looks like the usual insignificant unit of the ground forces of France. And then inflated from the molehills and rejoice that someone will believe in fairy tales about this legion.
                  Quote: nks
                  Listen, what graduate school did you get to know?

                  If you want, you will find it yourself. Where I studied, A.I. Denikin was educated, but this is not the main thing, because the officer’s level is determined by the last position. That's why your question betrayed you with your head - you have thinking at the level of conscripts.
                5. Legionista
                  Legionista 9 July 2020 23: 13 New
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                  Where I studied, A.I.Denikin was educated,
                  hi
                  I suppose we are talking about KVOKDKU them. M.V. Frunze? Fak. Troop intelligence? Did Lieutenant General Kravchenko release?
                6. ccsr
                  ccsr 9 July 2020 23: 18 New
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                  Quote: Legionista
                  I suppose we are talking about KVOKDKU them. M.V. Frunze?

                  I believe that you do not know where A.I. Denikin studied. I have an engineering background, is that enough for you?
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                8. Legionista
                  Legionista 9 July 2020 23: 51 New
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                  I believe that you do not know where A.I. Denikin studied.
                  I was sure that Anton Ivanovich Denikin studied at the Kiev Infantry Junker School, but I could not even imagine that you studied at the same school))) Or did you go through training at the Nikolaev Academy of the General Staff))? In any case, to get an education in educational institutions of the Russian Empire and end the service in the GSVG is not to tickle a navel for a hare!
                9. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 July 2020 13: 02 New
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                  Quote: Legionista
                  I was sure that Anton Ivanovich Denikin studied at the Kiev Infantry Junker School, but I could not even imagine that you studied at the same school

                  I lived in the same barracks as A.I. Denikin - read at your leisure about the "Konstantinists", maybe you will understand something. And nobody canceled the continuity of the traditions of the Russian army even in Soviet times - it is enough to study the charter of the G and the Constitutional Court and the biographies of individual Soviet commanders.
                  Quote: Legionista
                  In any case, to get an education in educational institutions of the Russian Empire and end the service in the GSVG is not to tickle a navel for a hare!

                  You are just an eccentric, with attempts at originality - I went to the GSVG to serve from a higher structure than the headquarters of the group, and ended the service in it, having returned from the Western Peace Group. So get away - you have not even left the category of young officers, but you are already undertaking to discuss those who have gone too far from you in military service.
                10. Legionista
                  Legionista 10 July 2020 14: 21 New
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                  Where I studied, A.I.Denikin was educated,

                  I lived in the same barracks as A.I. Denikin

                  wassat wassat wassat
                  You already decide, you lived or
                  studied
                  in places such as those associated with A. I. Denikin. About the “Konstantinovites” I know what the Junkers of the Konstantinovsky Artillery School called “Who is impolite, stupid and stupid? This is the Junker constapup ...”))) - I didn’t come up with it laughing . That's just what this has to do with Denikin, I really don't know).
                  So get away - you have not even left the category of young officers, but you are already undertaking to discuss those who have gone too far from you in military service.

                  Indeed, it’s time to hang out. It was fun with you) Thank you
                  "Qui nimium probat, nihil probat"
                11. ccsr
                  ccsr 10 July 2020 14: 38 New
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                  Quote: Legionista
                  You already decide whether you lived or
                  studied

                  And he lived and studied.
                  Enlighten:
                  http://regiment.ru/reg/VI/C/10/1.htm
                  Quote: Legionista
                  Indeed, it’s time to hang out. It was fun with you)

                  But I didn’t really - they crushed those who did not have experience in the SA, but who are trying to prove that they know much more those who have seen more of them in life ..
                12. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 July 2020 13: 18 New
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                  Quote: Legionista
                  Indeed, it’s time to hang out. It was fun with you)

                  Tell me in good faith - you are under fifty dollars, as I understood from the term of military service, and most likely there are already children and grandchildren. Will you advise them to go to serve in the Foreign Legion or not? Only honestly and without reservation.
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                14. Legionista
                  Legionista 12 July 2020 15: 45 New
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                  Good day! You are absolutely right) I am 48, there are children good I will not advise in any case!
                  Only honestly and without reservation.

                  Fair. Fulfilling your condition, I will not indicate reservations and the reasons for my “not advising” hi
                15. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 July 2020 15: 56 New
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                  Quote: Legionista
                  Good day! You are absolutely right) I am 48, there are children I will not advise in any case!

                  I knew all this beforehand - you just began to look at life in the light of your experience, and it forces you to give an assessment of your youthful moves in projecting the future of your children and grandchildren.
                  So understand correctly - I just didn’t want one of our citizens, having read articles about IL, to repeat your path, which you will never advise your children to choose. My son went in tenth grade to a five-day training camp in one of the Moscow Region units and after that said that he would not go to serve in the army and chose a different path. But if he decided to go serve, believe me, I would never discourage him.
                16. Legionista
                  Legionista 12 July 2020 16: 41 New
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                  So get it right - I just didn’t want one of our citizens, having read articles about IL, to repeat your path, which you will never advise your children to choose
                  I agree with you, in turn, never! I would not want my comments to be considered advertisements encouraging me to enter I.L.
                  I think that the incentive to enter / ignore I.L. , serves, nevertheless, the general situation in the country. I don’t think that the arguments for / against individuals, like you and me, can play any fundamental role. By the way, Russians (Russians) have always been the least, as a percentage of all Russian speakers. I, and others like me, in this particular case are certainly marginalized.
  • nks
    nks 10 July 2020 16: 09 New
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    And who is fooling around? Probably you yourself and others at the same time (together with Olgovich). There is simply a series of articles about the rich history and real IL, which many people are interested in. None of the coolest / deadliest and "determining the fate of France" in the material there.
    A lot of work has been done and thanks to the author, although there are inaccuracies, some of which I have indicated, including, but the author is not particularly in a hurry to correct them.

    You may have been dreaming of some kind of global war with NATO with throws to the English Channel (well, so that not without torn limbs, but with medals) while in France, but not at all a dream (or war) in France c USSR / RF. The French Armed Forces, including IL, ensure the safety and protection of the interests of the RF. IL is not an insignificant unit - it ensures, among other things, the safety of French citizens abroad and the French / European space program in Guiana.

    Quote: ccsr
    you have thinking at the conscript level.

    I didn’t guess - I did not serve an urgent one :) You see, I don’t position myself as an expert at all, I'm just an amateur who is interested in certain issues on this topic. For some reason, in the topic about IL, you constantly refer to your professional experience, which has nothing to do with IL, while demonstrating ignorance of the basic regulatory things of IL. Actually, my question is different and not on the topic of IL - I wonder if Soviet officers were somehow taught / explained such concepts as the "occupation regime" and all sorts of Geneva conventions, in accordance with which the database should be conducted? It just seems like not.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 10 July 2020 21: 59 New
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    Quote: nks
    And who is fooling around? Probably you yourself and others at the same time (together with Olgovich). There is simply a series of articles about the rich history and real IL, which many people are interested in.

    For example, you fool people by telling stories about occupation zones. As for the "rich history" of the armed forces of France, it ended in shame from the capture of Paris by Russian troops during the time of Napoleon, and subsequently by the Nazi forces in World War II. In order to somehow embellish their military history, the French deliberately fan the myth of the Foreign Legion, although it is clear that this “cannon fodder” is not even taken seriously by the French military.
    Quote: nks
    You may have been dreaming of some kind of global war with NATO, with throws to the English Channel, while serving in the GSVG

    Stop fussing about what you don’t know - at no FKSHU in the GSVG the option was even considered that we would be the first to go on the offensive, and the usual task was to practice defensive operations. And who thought you that in a nuclear war a group of forces would not have been destroyed before it could even penetrate the territory of Germany at least 100-200 km away. It looks like you are that couch strategist ...
    Quote: nks
    IL is not an insignificant unit - it ensures, among other things, the safety of French citizens abroad and the French / European space program in Guiana.

    With us, the military police in Syria are doing this even more successfully - even sometimes Americans change diapers after meeting them.
    Quote: nks
    Did not guess - I did not serve urgent

    It is sad. But why then are you making breathtaking conclusions, even if you have no idea about the army?
    Quote: nks
    I wonder if Soviet officers were somehow taught / explained concepts such as the "occupation regime" and all sorts of Geneva conventions, in accordance with which the databases should be maintained? It just seems like not.

    I understand that you are an illiterate person in this matter, but at least you will carefully study it, because the fate of Germany was determined not in Geneva, but in Potsdam:
    GROUP OF SOVIET OCCUPATIONAL A TRAIN IN GERMANY was created after the victory of the USSR and the anti-Hitler coalition in the Great Patriotic War and the unconditional surrender of Germany, based on the Directive of the Supreme Command High Command No. 11095 of May 29, 1945.
    ..... After the formation of the GDR (1949) and the abolition of occupation functions in 1954 in accordance with the General Staff directive of March 26, 1954, the Group of Soviet occupation forces in Germany from March 24, 1954 became known as the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSVG).

    Well, the Soviet government could not occupy the state of workers and peasants in the form of the GDR, which is why they gradually replaced the name of the group. Marxism does not provide for the occupation of one socialist state by another - however, I am afraid that you will not understand this, and your template has already broken from the abundance of unfamiliar information.
  • nks
    nks 10 July 2020 23: 45 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    It is sad.

    On the contrary, it’s wonderful. I also scored a military department at one time, being satisfied with relatively short-lived personal observation of Soviet officers of those times (if not for long, then it’s a pretty fun sight) and already after high school I realized that it was the right decision not to surrender military posts, and after talking with you only affirmed in his opinion.
    I understand that at your age it is already difficult to change something in the brain and you will still live with American diapers, paddles and other complexes. My question about the Geneva Conventions did not refer to Germany, but to the Soviet army (and even the post-Soviet). The fate of Germany as a result of WWII was mainly decided in Yalta, and at the Potsdam conference there were questions about other countries, but I'm glad that you at least clarified (seemingly) for yourself what the occupation regime is.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 11 July 2020 14: 17 New
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    Quote: nks
    My question about the Geneva Conventions did not refer to Germany, but to the Soviet army (and even the post-Soviet).

    Your illiterate question was due to the lack of knowledge that the zones of German occupation remained until the complete withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany. And not a single NATO soldier, except the German army, had the right without our permission to be in our occupation zone.
    Quote: nks
    The fate of Germany following WWII was decided mainly in Yalta,

    And where was the delegation of France, since it was allocated the occupation zone? You are completely out of your mind - it is still unknown how the war will end from the point of view of at least the capture of Berlin, and in Yalta all the zones of occupation have been cut and even for France. Burn on, verbiage ...
    Quote: nks
    I scored on the military department in due time,

    I realized that you are a white ticket soldier who has slanted from the army, you can not tell further.
  • nks
    nks 13 July 2020 14: 34 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    that the zones of occupation of Germany remained until the complete withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany.


    Opps .. sorry, my joy was premature. It turned out that you did not understand, but just a hash in your head accidentally turned for a moment in almost the right way (like those broken clocks :)


    Quote: ccsr
    And where was the delegation of France, since it was allocated the occupation zone?

    Here are the minutes of the Yalta Conference.
    http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/War_Conf/krim.htm
    There this question was considered on different days, but perhaps the key
    http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/War_Conf/krim07.htm

    The second issue at the meeting of foreign ministers was the question of the French zone of occupation. The following decision was made on this issue: a) consider the provision of France of the zone of occupation in Germany as agreed; b) the question of France’s participation in the supervisory board, V.M. Molotov and Mr. Stettinius consider it appropriate to refer to the European Advisory Commission. Mr. Eden considers it appropriate to discuss the issue of France’s admission to the supervisory board now, at a conference.


    Details then, of course, were worked out in the European Consultative Commission - this is not the business of the heads of state.

    Quote: ccsr

    You are completely out of your mind - it is still unknown how the war will end from the point of view of at least the capture of Berlin, and in Yalta all the zones of occupation have already been cut

    Clearly, the concept of planning is also not familiar to you.



    Quote: ccsr
    I realized that you are a white-ticketer, sloping away from the army


    Again they didn’t guess, but all because judge by yourself.

    PS: In general, judging by you, Soviet military education was a very bottom. I suppose, after all, it’s not quite, it’s just that you personally have distinguished yourself especially.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 15 July 2020 11: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: nks
    and just a hash in your head accidentally turned for a moment in almost the right way

    I understood - you had to admit that I was right, gritting my teeth.
    Quote: nks
    Here are the minutes of the Yalta Conference.

    In Potsdam, the composition of the participants changed in comparison with Yalta, and they could have completely abandoned previous agreements if the war with Japan had not continued. So there is no need to fantasize what and where it was decided - the result of the war was the Potsdam agreement on the post-war arrangement, and the zone of French occupation was also fixed there.
    Quote: nks
    Clearly, the concept of planning is also not familiar to you.
    Of course, you can share the skin of an unkilled bear, but answer, why then the German troops were not disbanded from the allies until our leadership was indignant? You do not seem to know that the Western countries even then understood the inevitability of the Cold War, which is why it would be stupid to believe them from Stalin.
    Quote: nks
    . I suppose, after all, it’s not quite, it’s just that you personally have distinguished yourself especially.

    I believe that you are just an illiterate verbiage trying to convince everyone that you understand something in that setting.
  • Legionista
    Legionista 10 July 2020 00: 32 New
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    Listen, what graduate school did you get to know?

    Where I studied, A.I.Denikin was educated,

    If we are talking about the building, then probably LVVIUS “without communication there is no control, without control there is no victory”))). Interestingly, at least a dozen soldiers were subordinate)? Or just radio tubes, earphones, antennas and a bunch of "secret literature not for everyone"))?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 10 July 2020 13: 13 New
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    Quote: Legionista
    If we are talking about the building, then probably LVVIUS “without communication there is no control, without control there is no victory”))).

    Past the box office - I immediately realized that you never studied the biography of A.I. Denikin.
    Quote: Legionista
    Interestingly, at least a dozen soldiers were subordinate)?

    A whole shift on duty with officers and warrant officers was accepted in the strategic link of the USSR armed forces. Yes, and I started the service right away with the captain’s position - you’re simply not in the subject of how it was in the SA in strategic units.
    Quote: Legionista
    Or just radio tubes, earphones, antennas and a bunch of "secret literature not for everyone"))?

    Dofiga was a complicated technique, and you can hardly find it in conventional troops. That’s why we had a selection - military personnel specially selected for us in military commissariats, so compared with the rabble from the legion, they were proven and reliable military personnel, many of whom had secondary technical education, and sometimes there were “year-olds” with higher, moreover, as a rule, all from complete families and positively characterized by different sources.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 9 July 2020 13: 56 New
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    Quote: Anton S
    About heavy weapons: if an officer did not command howitzer artillery, this does not prevent him from making a successful career in the army.

    The point is not the personal command of artillery, but the fact that the heavy divisions of various armies have tank, motorized rifle, anti-aircraft missile and artillery regiments, and in order to become the chief of staff of a formation, one must have at least the command of battalions and divisions of various branches of the armed forces. Well, how will the chief of staff of the division develop a plan for the combat training of the formation if he has no idea about the intricacies of the training of the same tankers and artillerymen? It is the limited armaments and the number of ILs that put obstacles to the further advancement of the officers serving in it. Although I do not deny that some of them leave IL and make a successful career because of their personal qualities, and not because they served in IL.

    Quote: Anton S
    Belonging to the elite is determined not by the further career of its officers, but by operations.

    We did this after the Afghan war, when some of those who went through the war suddenly decided that they knew best the tasks of the Soviet Army and how best to prepare it. I will not tell you about the details of what was happening in our army, but their error led to the fact that even Gromov was removed from the Moscow Region and transferred to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and then retired from the armed forces. So do not think that the French military leaders do not understand what the real power of their armed forces lies in - certainly not in IL operations in overseas territories.
    Quote: Anton S
    .In your opinion, it turns out that only the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation are the elite of the Armed Forces, and all the rest in Russia are not.

    No, the elite we have is the whole triad of strategic nuclear forces, but also the OTR with nuclear equipment in the Ground Forces and the Navy is also not the youngest trump card for us.
    Quote: Anton S
    The elite of the unit lies in the operations carried out and conducted by it, and not in potential opportunities.

    In the war with the Papuans, the IL may also be the elite, but in the war against Russia they are only a small bargaining chip. Believe me, this is not snobbery, but a sober assessment of the capabilities of the legion in a great war.
  • Legionista
    Legionista 9 July 2020 18: 11 New
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    In the war with the Papuans, the IL may also be the elite, but in the war against Russia they are only a small bargaining chip. Believe me, this is not snobbery, but a sober assessment of the capabilities of the legion in a great war.
    A military professional does not have the right to underestimate any opponent. Whether it's a Papuan with poisoned arrows, a barefoot Pashtun with a Lee Enfield SMLE 4 rifle, or Farah Aidid militants with a rusty Chinese AK.
    The 800th construction and training battalion, later the Brandenburg 800 Special Purpose Training Regiment, also had no tanks or artillery, which, however, did not prevent it from playing a rather important role in Operation Weserubung, the capture of Fort Eben-Emal (Fort d'Eben-Emael), the disorganization of Maycop's defense.
    Returning to the possible use of I.L. you need to consider exactly how and where this will happen. Sabotage and sabotage is most likely how the capabilities of the various units of the legion will be used. Russian speakers are not only citizens of Russia, but citizens of other countries, in the context of my comment, unfortunately. For the enemy who speaks your language is much more difficult to identify and destroy.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 9 July 2020 22: 08 New
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    Quote: Legionista
    A military professional does not have the right to underestimate any opponent.

    No platitudes - leave this for housewives, they will marvel at your high knowledge.
    Quote: Legionista
    The Brandenburg 800 Special Forces training regiment also had neither tanks nor artillery, which, however, did not prevent it from playing a rather important role in Operation Weserubung, the capture of Fort Eben-Enamel

    You would remember about Napoleon’s campaigns, and about Denis Davydov’s raids - then a more picturesque picture would turn out, even a tear would break. But not at all, because now is not the time.
    Quote: Legionista
    Sabotage and sabotage is most likely how the capabilities of the various units of the legion will be used.

    Well, once you talk about this yourself, name the maximum range of the reconnaissance and sabotage groups of the legion from their place of deployment, so that you can understand what damage they can cause to the enemy and in which country.
    Quote: Legionista
    For the enemy who speaks your language is much more difficult to identify and destroy.

    These are all thoughts that have nothing to do with the point strikes of our air forces in Syria. Do you even understand that now more and more military operations are taking place in a non-contact way - this is the Americans who showed us in the first war in the Gulf, and we also began to use it. And you tell me tales about some Papuans, against which the Foreign Legion will fight - this is not even funny, especially after the French military lost the war in Vietnam and Algeria.
  • Legionista
    Legionista 9 July 2020 23: 00 New
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    And you tell me about some Papuans telling tales against which the Foreign Legion will fight

    The elite is also possible in the war with the Papuans IL, but in the war against Russia they are only a small bargaining chip

    Forum member "Ryazanets87" is right) You really forget that you wrote yourself 24 hours ago.
    And you want to prove something to me regarding IL, although it’s clear to me that their readiness is just a kindergarten, compared with the readiness of 45-55 minutes of shelves in the GSVG

    I could say that the GSVG (ZGV) has not existed for more than 25 years, like most of the units included in it. I.L. There is still, next year will be 190 years to celebrate.
    Well, once you talk about this yourself, name the maximum range of the reconnaissance and sabotage groups of the legion from their place of deployment, so that you can understand what damage they can cause to the enemy and in which country.

    I suppose a little more than similar units of the RF Armed Forces. Syria does not need to be mentioned, because the Syrian Express, unfortunately, depends on the mood of Erdogan. I believe that you are familiar with the Montreux Convention.
    Do you even understand that now more and more military operations are taking place in a non-contact way - this is the Americans who showed us in the first war in the Gulf, and we also began to use it.

    Here you are right, and that’s all about the GSVG, tank divisions, combined arms armies, and other
    Do you even know that at that time only the GSVG had fully equipped armies of five divisions,
    old 40 years ago. Therefore, to your thesis
    You would remember about Napoleon’s campaigns, and about Denis Davydov’s raids - then a more picturesque picture would turn out, even a tear would break. But not at all, because now is not the time.
    I will say in your own words, “not at the right time,” the GSVG has long been))) no
  • ccsr
    ccsr 9 July 2020 23: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Legionista

    Forum member "Ryazanets87" is right) You really forget that you wrote yourself 24 hours ago.

    And you ghost for comparison, otherwise it's just blah blah blah.
    Quote: Legionista
    I could say that the GSVG (ZGV) has not existed for more than 25 years, like most of the units included in it.

    This standard is for all regiments of covering the state border, and it still exists - you are simply not in the subject.
    Quote: Legionista
    I suppose a little more than similar units of the RF Armed Forces.

    Do not wag, name a number, and then we will discuss how things are in the Russian Federation.
    Quote: Legionista
    Here you are right, and that’s all about the GSVG, tank divisions, combined arms armies, and other

    So they exist, and therefore they have deployment standards.
    Quote: Legionista
    I will say in your own words, “not at the right time,” the GSVG has long been))) no

    Here recently 1 Guards. the tank army was taken from the GSVG - does this even tell you something? What process has begun?
    The 1st Guards Tank Red Banner Army of the Western Military District is reinforced by the Guards Sevastopol Red Banner Motorized Rifle Brigade deployed in the Novomoskovsk Administrative District of Moscow. This was reported by the press service of ZVO.

    https://topwar.ru/171881-pervuju-tankovuju-armiju-zvo-usilili-motostrelkovoj-brigadoj.html
  • Legionista
    Legionista 9 July 2020 23: 26 New
    -2
    Do not wag, name a number, and then we will discuss how things are in the Russian Federation.

    Of course, I can’t tell you the number, as they say, “the question is not about salaries,” rotations are regularly carried out (not only RDGs) to Mayotte, New Caledonia, all of Equatorial Africa, now in the Sahel region, about Afghanistan, Iraq, you probably also heard. In Norway, 2 REG units are trained regularly. In the framework of NATO exercises, of course.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 10 July 2020 13: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Legionista
    Of course, I can’t name a figure for you, as they say "the question is not about salary",

    I knew that you would swim right away when the question concerned the combat use of the RDG, and you yourself confirmed this - the salary is not the same.
    Quote: Legionista
    rotation regularly

    Rotations do not affect the capabilities of the RDGs at all - they are determined by the weapons and equipment with which they are provided. Okay, we’ve passed - you’re clearly not in the subject of the actions of the Special Forces units, that’s why the dispute will be pointless.
  • nks
    nks 9 July 2020 14: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    there are too few native citizens of France among ordinary and sergeant staff ..


    Wow)))) wassat There are none at all - by definition, you are our expert. Do you still create ideas for the world from Soviet manuals?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 9 July 2020 22: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: nks
    There are none at all - by definition, you are our expert.

    Do not lie, because I know the fate of the legionnaire who is currently serving, who received French citizenship after the first two contracts, then quit, and after a while he returned to the legion and is now serving as a French citizen in French Guiana. His wife and children are citizens of France, although they were citizens of Ukraine.
    Quote: nks
    Do you still create ideas for the world from Soviet manuals?

    Are you out of habit jabbering, not knowing the essence of the issue, and posing as a wise guy? Well, well, the "legionnaire" homegrown "...
  • nks
    nks 10 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +1
    oh, again they forgot what they wrote before? Regardless of the reality of this your legionnaire - in your opinion, he immediately became “indigenous” with the acquisition of French citizenship?))
  • ccsr
    ccsr 10 July 2020 21: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: nks
    Regardless of the reality of this your legionnaire - in your opinion, he immediately became “indigenous” with the acquisition of French citizenship?))

    Regardless of my example, any native Frenchman who became a criminal could hide in the Foreign Legion, and then legalize after serving. And this was common practice, but as they say, now it has become more stringent.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 July 2020 15: 49 New
    +6
    professionals in their field worked in our military mission in the French zone of Germany, and they knew firsthand the intricacies of serving as officers in the various structures of the French Armed Forces. So they gave detailed information about how things really are.
    Did they know this from the point of view of the role of Marxism-Leninism in the career of the army in France? )))
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 6 July 2020 16: 10 New
      +5
      And then! Only ideologically seasoned commanders and fighters served in the GSVG. For example, they didn’t take me. For trying to congratulate George W. Bush on Soviet Army Day.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 July 2020 16: 19 New
        +3
        Because you, because of your unconsciousness, forgot that this is not only the day of the Soviet Army, but also of the Navy negative
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 16: 35 New
          +3
          Because you, because of your unconsciousness, forgot that this is not only the day of the Soviet Army, but also of the Navy

          Yeah, they said: "Forgetful and with enchanting sense of humor - do not take! And then he will ruin all our diplomacy!stop Serve you, friend of the city, in the air defense in the territory of the Union" laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 July 2020 17: 55 New
            +3
            And I went to guard the peaceful sky of that state, the mention of which causes a pre-infarction state in turbo hamsters.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 18: 07 New
              +2
              And I went to guard the peaceful sky of that state, the mention of which causes a pre-infarction state in turbo hamsters.

              When you went to guard, you went to guard the sky of a common great country. drinks and what’s there that the "good" politicians achieved during your service - does not apply to you.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 6 July 2020 18: 59 New
                +3
                When I was driving this guard I was interested in the inviolability of one woman’s vagina laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 July 2020 21: 23 New
                  +1
                  Anton - all according to Freud
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 22: 41 New
                    +2
                    Anton - all according to Freud

                    and he definitely wants to talk about it .... what Well, Albert, let him settle on the couch, and we will light cigars, and ask them to tell us what they are thinking at the moment? drinks chur - in half! stop Residential psychiatric facility "Doctor Guillotin Krasnodar and sons and the Mikado that joined them " good
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 6 July 2020 22: 52 New
                      +2
                      Anton, in the air defense exercises, given the object you are guarding, have you experienced any hostility to the fighter of a conditional adversary rocket being aimed at a virtual, flying closer and closer to the battery?
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 02 New
                      +2
                      Anton, tell me, what associations do you have when you imagine a rocket aimed at a virtual fighter of a conditional opponent flying closer to the battery?
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 6 July 2020 23: 30 New
                      +3
                      I, at that moment, felt inaccessible to a human female
                    4. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 July 2020 00: 01 New
                      0
                      That is, looking at the hats of members of the Politburo while watching the Time program, did you feel the impossibility of being at the Mausoleum? Did you really want to be over Lenin?
                    5. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 July 2020 00: 12 New
                      +3
                      No, I really wanted to be above Natasha!
                    6. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 July 2020 00: 14 New
                      +2
                      Explain to you the psychology of denial? )))
                    7. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 July 2020 00: 20 New
                      +2
                      "Hang on, angels, look: I'm playing !!!" (FROM)
                    8. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 7 July 2020 00: 22 New
                      +2
                      I openly answer all questions (C) repeat
                    9. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 July 2020 00: 58 New
                      +2
                      Exactly! Joking does not imply a different answer.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 23: 00 New
        +2
        Kids, who are you going to go? An old inquisitor? laughing
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 July 2020 23: 04 New
        +1
        No way. soldier
        And Lenin is always young
        And Young October Ahead fellow
      4. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 23: 39 New
        +2
        Exactly! But Kolya is still trying to rock the boat ....
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 23: 08 New
      +2
      Kids, who are you going to go? An old inquisitor?

      There is a mechanism for crowding out the problem! request
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 July 2020 23: 42 New
      +2
      And substitutions!
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 July 2020 00: 02 New
      +2
      Go to the afhedron, homegrown psychologists !!!! I know all my problems! Treat yourself! laughing
    5. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 7 July 2020 09: 42 New
      +3
      Go to the afhedron, homegrown psychologists !!!! I know all my problems! Treat yourself!

      We will treat ourselves. wink And you, who will treat you? crying Albert, look how aggressively he reacts to his complexes! laughing
    6. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 July 2020 10: 26 New
      +2
      Doctor, contradict yourself! You need to carefully build a conversation with the patient, take a master class from Alexander. laughing
    7. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 7 July 2020 10: 57 New
      +3
      Doctor, contradict yourself! You need to carefully build a conversation with the patient, take a master class from Alexander.

      I don’t have enough nobility of Alexander ... recourse Such a Good Doctor must be born, for which I call him that. yes
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 July 2020 17: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    Go to the afhedron, homegrown psychologists !!!! I know all my problems! Treat yourself!

    We will treat ourselves. wink And you, who will treat you? crying Albert, look how aggressively he reacts to his complexes! laughing

    And what would Grandpa Freud say about this? )))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 09: 03 New
    +2
    And what would Grandpa Freud say about this?

    He would have disassembled it completely, until birth, and interpreted it in its own way, with color. drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 34 New
    +2
    Yeah. Anton would have pulled out his beard in the middle of the conversation
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 09: 39 New
    +2
    Yeah. Anton would have pulled out his beard in the middle of the conversation

    Perhaps yes .... what He generally does not like to hear about his shortcomings, he immediately climbs swearing with warm promises. laughing And how would the behavior of Anton be interpreted by Grandfather Sigmund - only Eros knows! fellow
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 49 New
    +2
    I would try to explain the nature of aggression))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 09: 56 New
    +2
    I would try to explain the nature of aggression

    Against the background of accustoming to the pot .... wink Anton: Anton, Good Doctor Freud would have analyzed everyone like that - and me and Albert too! drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 09: 59 New
    +1
    My aunt analyst psychoanalyzed - I started telling her about carrots and hats, she went to Bnga - collectively unconscious and so on))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    she moved to Bng - collective unconscious and so on

    Profession! request
    I started telling her about carrots and hats

    I asked him about the hat, ask him about carrots.laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 10: 32 New
    +1
    I asked about rockets laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 11: 03 New
    +1
    I asked about rockets

    So he will start asking us about punchers and other construction quirks - then we will have to sweat! laughing drinks
    I really liked the theme of the complexes in Smeshariki. Thinly worked.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 July 2020 10: 03 New
    +2
    "The boy did not stop writing, but now he is proud of it"
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 July 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    "You know, baby, there are just dreams ..."
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 10: 11 New
    +1
    "You know, baby, there are just dreams ..."

    Kids and tell! stop We have a serious office. laughing Anton, which hats do you prefer? wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +2
    Are you talking about how tightly it fits to the head or the width of the margins? laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 17: 29 New
    +2
    Are you talking about how tightly it fits to the head or the width of the margins?

    He will definitely beat us .... laughing or cut off! drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 17: 48 New
    +2
    Their bean is shaved))))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 18: 07 New
    +3
    Their bean is shaved

    but I’ve already grown ... laughing When I showed Anton my passport with my appearance in 20 years, he laughed for a long time ... I was thinner, and with hair! wassat
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 18: 08 New
    +2
    I compare my photo from a Russian passport with a muzzle in Israeli. It must be seen laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 18: 17 New
    +3
    I compare my photo from a Russian passport with a muzzle in Israeli. It must be seen

    Is the facial expression different? wink Joke.drinks I have the same thing. Yesterday, an employee of Sberbank (a very beautiful and pleasant Korean woman) laughed when she began to compare my physics with a passport, and I said that at 20 I looked much better. laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 18: 34 New
    +2
    That's right - facial expression))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 18: 46 New
    +3
    That's right - facial expression

    as we say about our cat: "I give birth ate - wider than newspapers!" fellow In principle, it differs little from my "eating up a physiognomy". laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 18: 52 New
    +2
    In-in, in Russia I have become bad and evil)))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 19: 06 New
    +3
    In-in, in Russia I have become bad and evil

    Well, sorry!laughing This is from your "public load" in the Russian Federation, with a change in personal status! drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 July 2020 19: 19 New
    +2
    Well, yes - also dropped a couple of dozen
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 July 2020 17: 33 New
    +2
    Stetson, of course. And more! Otherwise, the earflaps will not fit laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 18: 22 New
    +2
    Stetson, of course. And more! Otherwise, the earflaps will not fit

    Cheaper, take sombrero right away! drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 July 2020 18: 26 New
    +1
    Haha! Haha! In the conditions of the Arctic, on a sombrero, overnight, it will sweep up to two cubic meters of snow!
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 8 July 2020 18: 44 New
    +2
    Haha! Haha! In the conditions of the Arctic, on a sombrero, overnight, it will sweep up to two cubic meters of snow!

    this is to swing your neck and shoulders! fellow
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 July 2020 19: 23 New
    0
    Yeah, "you are heavy, AlCapone's hat, you press hard on the brain"
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 July 2020 16: 35 New
    +1
    But did the Soviet Union have any intelligible surface fleet?
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 16: 39 New
      +1
      But did the Soviet Union have any intelligible surface fleet?

      It was. As if, the second in the world. drinks Then - was.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 16: 48 New
        +1
        Yes, hell with two !!! Was underwater! Surface died in Russian-Japanese. By 1914, some fleet was built at the expense of the patriots, but everyone was rotten in the Civil War!
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 16: 59 New
          +3
          Yes, hell with two !!! Was underwater! Surface died in Russian-Japanese. By 1914, some fleet was built at the expense of the patriots, but everyone was rotten in the Civil War!

          Anton, what do you mean by a surface fleet? drinks If ships of cruiser rank and higher - yes, there were few of them. The question is who had more of them in 60-70 years, besides us? US only. hi And our squadron in the Mediterranean quite acted on a potential enemy’s nerves. wink
          If we take the Gorshkov doctrine, then a lot of units of the "mosquito fleet" - RTOs, IPCs, etc., were set up. Count them as ships? In the Baltic and Caspian even this is enough, for example. Moreover, these ships still serve. Even before any prohibitions, in March, we traveled to Kronstadt - there, in the harbor and on the roads, a pair of MPK pr.1331 maneuvered, like these.

          Just now these ships, the buildings of the GDR, are of little use, but they serve! hi as well as the BDK built in Poland. soldier
          But was it right a fleet development - God knows ... request
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 6 July 2020 17: 38 New
            +3
            If ships of cruiser rank and higher - yes, there were few of them.

            As of 1989 - 160 surface ships of the ocean and far sea zone. Quite a lot.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 17: 43 New
              +2
              As of 1989 - 160 surface ships of the ocean and far sea zone. Quite a lot.

              Here, and I'm talking about the same, Nikita! Quite a lot! yes
              No, maybe (I'm not a strategist!), The fleet should have been built somehow differently. what ... Instead of a bunch of different models to build just a few basic ones, as in the USA .... request The question is - would a moshna pull such an armada? With infrastructure, with factories, with repairs? Moreover, it was also necessary to pull a huge army with tens of thousands of tanks ... Question! drinks
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 6 July 2020 19: 21 New
                +3
                The total military budget of the USSR * (1989) - 77,294 billion rubles, of which the cost of the Navy is 12,08 billion.
                The Soviet Navy did not suffer from a lack of pennants, but from a wild zoo of projects, the maintenance of a large number of completely obsolete ships, poor construction quality, and the mismatch between the capabilities of the coastal infrastructure and the scale of the fleet. In part, these were inevitable "growth diseases," partly a consequence of objective economic and even geographical conditions.
                And the creator, Admiral Gorshkov, at a speech on November 2, 1985, summed up the main result of the construction of this entire armada:
                fleets are not ready to conduct modern operations and fight at sea. There, the whole performance was full of "beautiful", such as this:
                "... In the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean, the fleets were unable to open patrol areas of American Ohio-class SSBNs .... we cannot control the probable enemy submarines, they freely penetrate the Sea of ​​Okhotsk."
                And this is not to mention the high accident rate, delayed repair time, poor technical and tactical training of personnel.
                It is quite curious to observe how the problems and "injuries" of the RIF crawled into the Soviet Navy, and then into the modern Russian fleet.

                * I would trust these figures from Pavlov’s handbook with great caution, but I think they convey the order correctly.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 July 2020 18: 26 New
            +1
            Nikolai, are you following the news? Just yesterday, the United States sent two AUGs to the coast of China. So, like ... And how can the Russian Navy TF answer? By dragging two river tugs along Tan'anmen Square?
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 July 2020 22: 37 New
              +3
              And what can the Russian Navy TF answer? By dragging two river tugs along Tan'anmen Square?

              No, Mine Freund, let's deal with dialectics! "Who, where, why, when, to whom!" (Vampire Ball, Professor’s aria) drinks So, you said:
              But did the Soviet Union have any intelligible surface fleet?

              Then, for some reason, he dragged Tsushima:
              Surface died in Russian-Japanese.

              Let's figure it out. wink The Soviet fleet was. yes Exactly what - WAS. Even under Joseph Vissarionovich began to build a large series of cruisers of the project 68-K, then 68 bis. One of them is in Novorossiysk now - the ship-museum "Mikhail Kutuzov". And it became our most massive cruiser in history. That there Nikita Sergeyevich was wise with a drink of the ships - he alone knows. negative The question is that these cruisers participated in the service until the end of the 80s, including in the Mediterranean Sea. As rightly writes A.B. Shirokorad (which is often doubtful), they say, if the duty of our squadron was in direct visibility from the US Navy, then the artillery cruiser would be enough to sweep the deck of the American aircraft carrier in one gulp in the very first minutes of the battle ... angry
              Then rocket ships began to enter the series, then aircraft carriers, etc. fellow
              But! As Nikita Ryazanets rightly said, 87
              inconsistencies of coastal infrastructure capabilities with the scale of the fleet built

              and what do we have with Kuznetsov? The only float dock sank, can not we fix it? negative
              But, again, this is a consequence current situation. It is the current. For 30 years, excuse me, the fleet was in the pen, and they did not create a new infrastructure, but they probably plundered the old one. Plus there are no engines, no one, no this, no other ... request Well, what country do we live in? where everything is wrong, but we are optimistic about the future with a charismatic leader, and all the neighboring countries around are sodomites? why are you surprised, my friend? request
              So, returning to your thought. Now we have to answer the American Navy nothing. But initially your messages were addressed to the fleet Soviet! If development that country went the right way .. It would be something to meet.
              Oh! For once I debated with you! good drinks
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 July 2020 16: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      But did the Soviet Union have any intelligible surface fleet?

      It was good underwater, for example))
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 6 July 2020 16: 50 New
        +3
        Above Nikolai answered.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 July 2020 23: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Was the Soviet Union any intelligible surface fleet?

      Oleg Rykov. Charlie Charlie Bravo.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 7 July 2020 12: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    professionals in their field worked in our military mission in the French zone of Germany, and they knew firsthand the intricacies of serving as officers in the various structures of the French Armed Forces. So they gave detailed information about how things really are.
    Did they know this from the point of view of the role of Marxism-Leninism in the career of the army in France? )))


    No, they discussed issues from the point of view of Christian values, the role of the army in society and career prospects for a military professional. And they were greatly surprised by the Jews, who, unlike Christians, forcefully call women into their army, and at the same time give the right to the orthodox not to serve in it. This is a very interesting question from the point of view of Marxism-Leninism and Christian teaching - how can this be in a humane society.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 8 July 2020 13: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Did they know this from the point of view of the role of Marxism-Leninism in the career of the army in France? )))

    No, they evaluated the prospects of military service from the point of view of Christian and Communist morality, which preach humanism in relation to man and woman in the first place. And they criticized Judaism, which forcibly drives women into the Israeli army, while at the same time affording the right not to serve Orthodox men. This greatly saddened the French and Soviet officers who did not understand the duplicity of the Israelis in relation to their women - apparently the concepts of humanism in this country are simply perverted.
  • nks
    nks 6 July 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    Lieutenant General Jean Moren, graduate of the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


    He, of course, is not a graduate, but a volunteer
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 9 July 2020 22: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: nks
      He, of course, is not a graduate, but a volunteer

      Do not smack nonsense - he should have been ordered to be an enrolled student by order of the head of the General Staff Academy, otherwise he would not have been allowed to enter the academy beyond the threshold, so the “will” did not play any role, at least because of the secrecy regime. And at the end of the academy, all graduates are given diplomas and a badge. So if he studied at the General Staff Academy, then he couldn’t be any “listener” - such a trick even in ordinary military schools does not pass, because foreigners go through the entire approved course of study.
      1. nks
        nks 10 July 2020 16: 04 New
        0
        Firstly, the will in any case plays a role even for the applicant, just it alone is not enough. Secondly, a volunteer is a person who attends lectures without being enrolled in students and, accordingly, without subsequent passing qualification exams and obtaining a diploma with qualification. And graduate status involves qualifications. The maximum that a volunteer can get is a piece of paper that he attended such and such courses.
        The possibility of such a practice depends, of course, on the university. Somewhere you can’t do it at all, somewhere you can go to a lecture almost from the street, somewhere you need an official decision of the leadership. I don’t know what exactly happened with Jean Moren at the Academy of Civil Aviation, but in his bio he is listed as a listener in 2004 (only in 2004) .. Well, probably for this there was an order from the Academy leadership.
        If he were a graduate, they would write differently.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 10 July 2020 21: 34 New
          0
          Quote: nks
          I don’t know what exactly happened with Jean Moren at the GA Academy,

          So I don’t know what kind of weirdo it was that he was a graduate of the General Staff Academy and launched this nonsense on the net. That's why I immediately said that
          So if he studied at the General Staff Academy, it couldn’t be any “listener”

          As for the particular general, in the framework of cooperation with NATO, the General Staff Academy and not only it provided lectures for senior military officials from this unit, but these were review lectures or classes, and nothing to do with the training of our officers at the Academy GS they did not have. So the dreamer who claimed that this French military was a graduate of the General Staff Academy simply lied for a red word, and the author of the article bought it. At best they could give him a certificate that he attended a course of some lectures and no more, but not a diploma of the General Staff Academy.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 7 July 2020 14: 13 New
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    A Frenchman who wishes to join the legion as an ordinary, receives a new passport in which he appears as a citizen of some French-speaking country.

    I don’t understand - how can France legally issue a passport to another country, for example Canada?
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 7 July 2020 14: 28 New
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      I don’t understand - how can France legally issue a passport to another country, for example Canada?

      Good day. Let me clarify, a Frenchman who enters the service in I. L. receives a new official document in which he is indicated not as a French citizen (this is prohibited), but as a citizen of one of the countries, where one of the state. Languages ​​is French. Canada, Belgium, Switzerland.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 7 July 2020 14: 51 New
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        Quote: Legionista
        Good day. Let me clarify

        Good afternoon, thanks for the reply. It turns out that the article is an inaccuracy.
      2. alma
        alma 8 July 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: Legionista
        receives a new official document in which he is indicated not as a citizen of France (this is prohibited), but as a citizen of one of the countries, where one of the state. languages ​​is french

        It turns out a kind of "French non-interference in foreign affairs." Conveniently.
      3. nks
        nks 10 July 2020 15: 59 New
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        Good afternoon. I would like more clarifications - you want to say that this is a common, albeit unspoken, practice - a person comes with a French passport and they simply write it down on other documents (actually fake passport data)? As far as I heard, there really are isolated cases of French service in the IL, but there people just come with a non-French passport (either they already have another citizenship initially, or they draw it up specially for IL). In principle, it can be any country, but of course it is more convenient for them to take a passport from Canada or Belgium (Swiss citizenship is quite difficult to obtain even for the French)
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 10 July 2020 16: 24 New
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          Good afternoon.
          just write on other documents (actually fake passport data)

          In fact, this is exactly what is happening. A person is given a new name, surname, date and month of birth, the year of birth is not changed. The new identity card (carte d'identite militaire)) indicates exactly the changed data. And "last but not least", on the certificate is the Big Red Seal - "non valable pour tout demarche administrative", i.e. "not valid for administrative procedures." You can not open a bank account, buy an apartment, travel outside France. Previously, a change of personal data was mandatory for foreigners, in recent years, this is a voluntary matter.
  • Anton S
    Anton S 8 July 2020 11: 32 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Legionista
    1990-1992.

    I thought that of the “jackets”, but it turned out that you were only urgent, and even that was bad, you just don’t know what your politicians were doing. Only I still do not understand why such a puppy delight from serving in a foreign legion, if the Soviet Army had units much more abruptly than in the IL? I understand that your need made you go there to serve, but this is not a reason to be proud of it - by the way, some who served there, just here in VO, discouraged the naive from repeating your example.

    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Legionista
    1990-1992.

    I thought that of the “jackets”, but it turned out that you were only urgent, and even that was bad, you just don’t know what your politicians were doing. Only I still do not understand why such a puppy delight from serving in a foreign legion, if the Soviet Army had units much more abruptly than in the IL? I understand that your need made you go there to serve, but this is not a reason to be proud of it - by the way, some who served there, just here in VO, discouraged the naive from repeating your example.

    Regarding the servicemen who are dissuading. Are you sure that they really served there? Usually, people who say they served and leave negative comments about the legion or did not serve there, or did not pass the selection, or deserted from there. did not meet negative comments from really serving. Do not be lazy, read the comments on the article "Combat operations of the legion in the second half of the twentieth century" from the same cycle. There, the user Vavilon claims that he served and is a kindergarten for him, but he does not know what a matricule (personal number of a legionnaire) is, in his mind, this is the part number. And the number of such “serving” commentators on the Internet, I am afraid, exceeds the number of the entire Foreign Legion.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 8 July 2020 14: 26 New
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      Quote: Anton S
      Regarding the servicemen who are dissuading. Are you sure that they really served there?

      I'm not sure that you served there - what's the point of bothering this with respect to any forum author who wrote something about IL?

      Quote: Anton S
      Never met negative comments from really serving.

      You just have not heard the stories of our conscripts about their military service, especially from Central Asia - they tell you so much that you unwittingly want to submit them to the state award. But it turns out that he used a shovel in a construction battalion, and no more ...

      Quote: Anton S
      Do not be lazy, read the comments on the article "Combat operations of the legion in the second half of the twentieth century" from the same cycle.

      Why do I need this if I personally knew the people who commanded our air defense crews in Vietnam and shot down American planes, or, for example, participated in hostilities in Afghanistan. Our own military history is such that no Foreign Legion has ever dreamed of, so it’s better to study it, there will be more benefit.
      Quote: Anton S
      And the number of such “serving” commentators on the Internet, I am afraid, exceeds the number of the entire Foreign Legion.

      I completely agree with this, and therefore I do not believe in extreme assessments, because I immediately understand that this is either a lie or propaganda. I considered the legion as an integral part of the French Armed Forces and long ago understood that it was just a tool to save the lives of the French themselves in questionable operations, i.e. in simple terms, the usual "cannon fodder", but with a beautiful seasoning.
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 8 July 2020 15: 50 New
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    Interesting there with them. Thank you for the article good
  • Anton S
    Anton S 8 July 2020 16: 00 New
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    [quote = ccsr] [quote = Anton S] Regarding those who serve there who dissuade. Are you sure that they really served there? [/ quote]
    I'm not sure that you served there - what's the point of bothering this with respect to any forum author who wrote something about IL?

    [quote = Anton S] Never met negative comments from really serving. [/ quote]
    You just have not heard the stories of our conscripts about their military service, especially from Central Asia - they tell you so much that you unwittingly want to submit them to the state award. But it turns out that he used a shovel in a construction battalion, and no more ...

    [quote = Anton S] Do not be lazy, read the comments on the article "Combat operations of the legion in the second half of the twentieth century" from the same cycle. [/ quote]

    Not sure that I served there, your right, and I don’t prove it to anyone here. Who served, knows how to quickly check everything.
    About war songs about battles and campaigns, no one here shouted that he took the Reichstag, I'm talking about personal impressions that remain with the person.
  • Anton S
    Anton S 8 July 2020 16: 10 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Anton S
    But money was not my main motive.

    And what was the main motive?
    Quote: Anton S
    I wanted to see the world and show myself.

    My brother, for forty years, traveled around all the seas and oceans of the world as a senior electrician on various ships and visited more than 80 countries of the world, and in even more ports and airports. I think that he has seen much more in life than you could see in IL. Why doesn’t this career suit you? But alright, let you not like the sea, let’s leave it. What made you risk your head in the interests of a foreign state - do you think you left a mark in the history of France? An optimistic choice, you will not say anything ...

    Everyone has their own choice, I am not saying that my most correct, but he is mine and I am pleased with him. And I did not try to leave a trace in the history of France, I am quite satisfied with the trace that the legion left in me.
    You somehow all look like slogans: a trace in history, serving a foreign country ... In life, everything is much more prosaic.
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 8 July 2020 16: 53 New
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      hi mon ami, c'est même pas la peine de discuté avec cette pax)) il vit toujours à l'époque de l 'Union Soviétique. À mon avis, il a d'énormes complexes psychologiques request recourse wink
      1. Anton S
        Anton S 8 July 2020 16: 59 New
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        J'ai déjà compris, mais ses arguments sont vraiment bizarres
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 8 July 2020 17: 12 New
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          J'ai déjà compris, mais ses arguments sont vraiment bizarres

          good "Bizarres" c'est une définition très très polie wink
          1. Anton S
            Anton S 8 July 2020 17: 16 New
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            Lui aussi il est bizarre))
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 9 July 2020 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Anton S
      You somehow all look like slogans: a trace in history, serving a foreign country ... In life, everything is much more prosaic.

      Putting your head under the bullets due to the fact that the "frogmen" are cowards themselves and do not want to go to fight for the interests of France - yes, this is indeed a "honorable" goal for some who would doubt ....
      I explained it to you prosaically - I hope you will someday by the end of your life understand that this was not the best choice in your life. Although I do not blame you for anything, I just would like our young compatriots not to repeat such stupidity in their lives, because risking our lives for the interests of the Motherland and for the money of people alien to us is two big differences.
      1. Anton S
        Anton S 9 July 2020 15: 11 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Anton S
        You somehow all look like slogans: a trace in history, serving a foreign country ... In life, everything is much more prosaic.

        Putting your head under the bullets due to the fact that the "frogmen" are cowards themselves and do not want to go to fight for the interests of France - yes, this is indeed a "honorable" goal for some who would doubt ....
        I explained it to you prosaically - I hope you will someday by the end of your life understand that this was not the best choice in your life. Although I do not blame you for anything, I just would like our young compatriots not to repeat such stupidity in their lives, because risking our lives for the interests of the Motherland and for the money of people alien to us is two big differences.

        We have very big ideological differences, you see a lot in a negative light, so I will not dissuade you.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 9 July 2020 22: 20 New
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          Quote: Anton S
          We have very big ideological differences, you see a lot in a negative light, so I will not dissuade you.


          "Who was not a poet in his youth,
          And in old age, not a misanthrope,
          Mistakes may not have made,
          But in the coffin he will lie an idiot ... "
          1. Anton S
            Anton S 11 July 2020 13: 00 New
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            I read your comments. In your opinion, everyone who is not an officer of the Soviet army is a shit and a balobol. Legion is a rabble, which is like military police for you, although they have completely different tasks, the Americans have no time to change diapers. You’ve been stuck in the past. When you move fronts, armies and divisions on your maps, make sure that you aren’t overwhelmed with guides.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 11 July 2020 14: 23 New
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              Quote: Anton S
              I read your comments. In your opinion, everyone who is not an officer of the Soviet army is a shit and a balobol.

              When people like you discuss something that they don’t know much about, that’s how I feel about them.
              Quote: Anton S
              Legion rabble,

              So even French officers in my time thought, I think that even now the situation has not changed, if they are still afraid to trust heavy weapons.
              Quote: Anton S
              You are stuck in the past.

              Military science is quite conservative - you just don’t understand this due to your lack of basic military education, even for the level of a platoon commander.
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  • Anton S
    Anton S 8 July 2020 23: 09 New
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    Quote: Ryazanets87
    During the discussion, I became interested in the current state of the French army (Source - “White Paper on Defense”, data for 2017).
    Total:
    French Ground Forces (Armée de terre française) - 131 thousand people. Including about 66 тыс. - in combat units.
    Foreign legion - 8,9 thousand people (i.e. 6,7% of the total number of ground forces)
    There are no divisions as such now (in 1989 they were), there are only headquarters. The main unit is the brigade.
    The structure is taken from an open source (for 2018) - IL is highlighted in red, very clearly:

    Well, you need to consider:
    "... According to the degree of combat readiness, of the above, the full states always contain only parts of the Foreign Legion that acquire full combat readiness within 72 hours of receipt of the order. The 5rd and 7th lungs can be raised within 3-6 days and The 11th Parachute Brigade, which belongs to the category of rapid deployment forces. "
    “The total strength of the French Army’s high alert forces is approximately 20–23 thousand. Of these, the Joint Reaction Force totals only 5000.”
    “There have been no major exercises at least at the brigade level in France since 2006, and regimental exercises since 2008. The full battalion went to the training ground for the last time in 2010.” *
    That is in view of this and it is worth making conclusions, IMHO.
    And so yes, the commander of one of the 4 French SSBNs or there, Charles de Gaulle, is cooler than an IL officer. But it’s easy to compare incorrectly from the word at all, especially since Saint-Cyr has repeatedly trained officers of the ground forces, and not of the fleet.
    * data for 2017

    Thank you very much for the comment, everything is beautiful on the shelves, not add not add.
  • Anton S
    Anton S 8 July 2020 23: 15 New
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    Quote: Legionista
    hi Here is a comment with facts and arguments. good
    units of the Foreign Legion that are fully operational within 72 hours of receipt of the order.
    . That's right. This is called the Alerte GUÉPARD. 72-hour availability is replaced by 48-hour availability, then 24 and 12-hour availability. It was on this alarm that 2REP flew to Kolwezi in 1978.

    When he served, they said that before Kolwezi REP did not even stand on the ALERTE GUEPARD, but they put him there, I can’t vouch for reliability, I heard
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 9 July 2020 09: 24 New
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      Right! I also heard it, they said that they could not collect the "slag"). Of the jumpers, I stayed in the adjudant chef SAULNIER moderator; it seemed to be such a dry company.
  • Lebed
    Lebed 9 July 2020 05: 56 New
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    A very good series of articles turned out. thank drinks good
  • Anton S
    Anton S 9 July 2020 10: 26 New
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    Quote: Legionista
    Right! I also heard it, they said that they could not collect the "slag"). Of the jumpers, I stayed in the adjudant chef SAULNIER moderator; it seemed to be such a dry company.

    I remember Saulnier, but he was on CCL. He also wrote a book, you can buy on AMAZON, I don’t remember the exact name, something like "The life of a legionnaire from the Kolwezi to Afghanistan." There was also a major Satter (maybe the French name is wrong spelled), they said that he on the Kolwezi became either caporal au feu, or sergent au feu.
    And also caporal-chef at the first company, what’s the name, I don’t remember.
  • nks
    nks 9 July 2020 14: 44 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    that being a legionnaire is cool.

    In such a kindergarten spirit, only here you express yourself
  • Artyom Vetrov
    Artyom Vetrov 10 July 2020 10: 12 New
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    What nonsense did I read ?? The author, if you don’t know about this topic ... but consult with the servants (or the topic of who is serving there now). but it turns out: I heard there, someone whispered, I read it, and now the article is ready
  • Anton S
    Anton S 11 July 2020 20: 19 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Anton S
    I read your comments. In your opinion, everyone who is not an officer of the Soviet army is a shit and a balobol.

    When people like you discuss something that they don’t know much about, that’s how I feel about them.
    Quote: Anton S
    Legion rabble,

    So even French officers in my time thought, I think that even now the situation has not changed, if they are still afraid to trust heavy weapons.
    Quote: Anton S
    You are stuck in the past.

    Military science is quite conservative - you just don’t understand this due to your lack of basic military education, even for the level of a platoon commander.

    I am discussing what I saw (not so long ago), and you give an example of some mythical French officers who told you something 30 years ago, and you “think the situation has not changed now” - awesome analytics, most importantly modern and timely.
    But, in general, the all-knowing expert all the time compares the warm with the solid, and the cold with the soft.
    You used to be someone and you knew something, but since then the world has changed a lot.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 11 July 2020 22: 30 New
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      Quote: Anton S
      I discuss what I saw (not so long ago)

      What structure of the armed forces of France did you serve?
      Quote: Anton S
      You used to be someone and you knew something, but since then the world has changed a lot.

      It seems so to you in infancy, because you do not understand the meaning of the proverb "Old as the world." Nothing has changed in the psychology of French officers in thirty years - I’m sure of that. On the contrary, they began to more realistically assess the benefits of a calm and well-fed life of a French officer, and only the sick would go to serve in the Foreign Legion, realizing that service in France is very different from service in overseas territories.
  • Anton S
    Anton S 12 July 2020 00: 13 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Anton S
    I discuss what I saw (not so long ago)

    What structure of the armed forces of France did you serve?
    Quote: Anton S
    You used to be someone and you knew something, but since then the world has changed a lot.

    It seems so to you in infancy, because you do not understand the meaning of the proverb "Old as the world." Nothing has changed in the psychology of French officers in thirty years - I’m sure of that. On the contrary, they began to more realistically assess the benefits of a calm and well-fed life of a French officer, and only the sick would go to serve in the Foreign Legion, realizing that service in France is very different from service in overseas territories.

    I served in 2 REP.
    I do not quite understand your promise about a well-fed life in France and service in overseas territories.
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 26 August 2020 14: 16 New
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    Small inaccuracy. The 1st Armored Cavalry Regiment moved in full force from Orange to the suburbs of Marseille. In Orange, there is now a military unit that does not belong to the Legion.