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The tragedy of French Algeria

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The tragedy of French Algeria

French soldiers leaving Algeria are awaiting loading on a ship. City of Bona


In this article we will end the story of the long and bloody Algerian war, we will talk about the flight of the "blackfoot", evolves and harki from Algeria, and about some of the sad events that followed this country's independence.

The End of French Algeria


Despite the desperate resistance of the Blackfoot and the OAS, in referenda in France (April 8, 1962) and Algeria (July 1, 1962), the majority of those who voted in favor of granting independence to this department, which was officially proclaimed July 5, 1962.

The most outrageous thing was that people who were most interested in its outcome were excluded from participating in the April 1962 referendum - the "black-footed" Algeria and local Arabs who had the right to vote: this was a direct violation of the third article of the French Constitution, and the vote was legitimate could not be considered.

One of the consequences of this act was the exodus (actually flight) of more than a million "black-footed", hundreds of thousands of Loyalist Arabs (evolves), tens of thousands of Jews and over 42 thousand Muslim soldiers (harki) from Algeria to France.

In fact, this is one of the most tragic pages stories French people, which the current "tolerant" authorities of this country would like to forget forever. This outcome of a biblical scale is now remembered mainly only by the descendants of these people.

In total, about 1 people left Algeria. This flight was complicated by the lack of seats on ships and in airplanes, in addition, water transport workers in France, whose selfish interests turned out to be higher than the blood price of Algerian French, also went on strike. As a result, in Oran, the day of the declaration of independence of Algeria was overshadowed by a large-scale massacre of the European population - according to official data recognized by the Algerians themselves, more than three thousand people were killed.

In 1960, 220 thousand “black-footed” and 210 thousand Arabs lived in this city. By July 5, 1962, up to 100 thousand Europeans still remained in Oran. The Evian agreements that were concluded between the French government and the Algerian National Liberation Front on March 16, 1962, guaranteed them safety. But de Gaulle in May 1962 declared:

"France should not bear any responsibility in maintaining order ... If someone is killed, this is a matter for the new government."

And it became clear to everyone that the black-footed Algeria, as well as the local Arabs-evolves and harki are doomed.

Indeed, immediately after the declaration of independence of Algeria in large cities, a real hunt began for them.

According to rough estimates, about 150 thousand people were killed (“rough” because only men were counted, while women and children from their families were also often exterminated with them).

Sorry for this photo, but look what the TNF militants did with the remaining harki in Algeria:


And this is not Algeria and not Oran, but Budapest in 1956, and the Hungarian communist was brutally killed not by “wild wickedness” from the TNF, but by “civilized” European rebels:


Very similar, isn't it? But for some reason, the attitude to these events both here and abroad has always been very different.

Against this background, the Kharkov deputy from the Party of Regions in December 2014, of course, was very “lucky”: the current “activists” of independent Ukraine are still far from their idols of the times of Shukhevych and Bandera:


And in this photo, not the harki of Algeria are standing on their knees in front of the raging crowd, but the soldiers of the Ukrainian special forces police unit “Berkut” in Lviv:


In Algeria or Oran in 1962, they would, of course, have their throats cut in 5 minutes after this “photo shoot” - there it was very scary at that time.

The massacre of Europeans found its greatest scale in Oran: people with a European appearance were shot on the streets, cut in their own homes, tortured and tortured.


Emboldened TNF fighters on Oran Street, July 5, 1962

The French soldiers were forbidden to intervene in what was happening, and only two officers dared to violate this order: Captain Jean-Germain Krogenenek and Lieutenant Rabach Kellif.

Captain Krogenenek was the commander of the 2nd company of the Second Zuava Regiment. But Lieutenant Rabah Kheliff (Rabah Kheliff), who commanded the 4th company of the 30th motorized infantry battalion - an Arab from the evolves family, his father was an officer in the French army. Keliff himself served from the age of 18 and participated in the battle at Dienbenfu, where he was seriously wounded.


In this photo, Lieutenant Rabah Keliff on the right

Upon learning that the TNF militants were driving “black-footed” trucks near the prefecture’s building, Keliff turned to the regiment commander and received an answer:

“I understand how you feel. Act as you wish. But I didn’t tell you anything. ”

Spitting on the possible consequences, Keliff led his soldiers (only half of the company) to the indicated place, where he found hundreds of Europeans, mainly women, children and the elderly, who were guarded by armed TNF militants. It was very easy to free the "black-footed": now the "revolutionaries" who had emboldened themselves remembered very well how very recently the French soldiers had driven them through the mountains and the desert. Keliff found the prefect (!) And said:

“I give you three minutes to free these people. Otherwise, I will not answer for anything. The prefect silently came down with me and saw a sentry from the TNF. Negotiations did not last long. The guys from the TNF got into the truck and left. ”

The problem was that the liberated people had nowhere to go: the same fighters were waiting for them in their own houses. Keliff again arbitrarily set patrols on the roads leading to the port and the airport, and personally transported refugees to the port in a service jeep. During one of these trips, he was captured by militants and injured, but the soldiers recaptured him.

From the article “Algerian War of the French Foreign Legion” we remember that most of the Iranian "black-footed" were of Spanish origin. Therefore, the authorities of this country also assisted in their evacuation by providing the ships that took them to Alicante. Thirty thousand Iranian refugees stayed in Spain forever.

Slave Keliff also had to leave his native Algeria, in the same 1962. He served in the French army until 1967, having retired with the rank of captain, he died in 2003.

Monument War


Having got rid of the “damned colonialists”, TNF activists began to “liberate” the country they inherited from French monuments.

This monument to soldiers of the Foreign Legion previously stood in the Algerian city of Sidon. The "black-footed" who left Algeria took him with them to save him from abuse. Now it can be seen in the Corsican city of Bonifacio:


Monument to soldiers of the Foreign Legion, Bonifacio, Corsica

This is how the monument created by Paul Maximilian Landowski (the author of the statue of Christ the Savior in Rio de Janeiro) looked like the monument to the fallen in the First World War until 1978: France, a European soldier and an Arab soldier held a shield with the body of a murdered hero:


Algeria. Monument to the Fallen in World War I until 1978

And here is what it looks like now: a concrete cube and hands clenched into fists, breaking the shackles:


So, probably, “much better”, what do you think?

In this photo there is a monument to the fallen in World War I, which since 1925 stood in the Algerian city of Tlemcen. The figures symbolize the European and Algerian soldiers and France:


In 1962, he was transported to the French city of Saint-Aigulph:


Here TNF activists smash one of the French monuments:


Around the same time, Soviet monuments are being handled outside of Russia. Here, for example, the city of Ciechocinek in Poland. On December 30, 2014, the monument of Thanks and Brotherhood of the Soviet Army and Polish Army was destroyed here:


Poland, December 30, 2014, the city of Ciechocinek, demolished the monument of Thanks and Brotherhood of the Soviet Army and Polish Army

And this is Odessa, February 4, 2020: nationalists ruin the last bas-relief of G.K. Zhukov:


And quite recent events in Prague. On April 3, 2020, a monument to the Soviet Marshal Konev was dismantled here, the troops of which were the first to enter the city, abandoned by the Vlasov division, and still still controlled by the Germans:


And here, too, after the “victory of democracy”, zombie extremists threw down monuments - let's not forget about it.

This is Moscow, on August 22, 1991, under the cries of a drunken crowd, they demolish the monument to F. Dzerzhinsky:


Smug dwarfs trampling a stone giant:


And Kiev, December 8, 2013. Vandals smash the monument to V. Lenin:


Very similar pictures, right?

Degradation of Independent Algeria


The proclamation of the Algerian People's Democratic Republic dates from September 20, 1962. In the presidential election in 1963, Muhammad Ahmad bin Balla (Ahmed bin Bella), a World War II participant in the French army and the failed central midfielder of the Marseille football club Olympic, was one of the leaders of the TNF who learned Arabic only in a French prison. where he sat from 1956 to 1962.

And a year later, independent Algeria grappled with the independent kingdom of Morocco. The cause of the conflict was the Moroccan claims for iron ore deposits in the province of Tindouf.

By the fall of 1963, Soviet specialists cleared the main part of the border between Algeria and Morocco free of charge (one died, six were seriously injured), and now nothing could stop the neighbors from fighting a little.

On October 14, 1963, the Moroccan army struck in the area of ​​Colomb Béchard, advancing 100 km. Both sides used Tanks, artillery and aviationand Moroccans were armed with Soviet MiG-17s, and Algerians had MiG-15s donated by Egypt. On October 15, one MiG of the warring parties even entered into a battle, which ended to no avail. And on October 20, 1963, Moroccan fighters forced the "lost" Algerian Mi-4 helicopter to land, on which there were 5 Egyptian "observers", which was the reason for Morocco to accuse Egypt of military intervention.

On the side of the Algerians, the Cuban contingent, led by Efichenio Ameiheiros, also appeared. This conflict was not stopped until February 1964, when an emergency session of the Council of Ministers of the Organization of African Unity reached an agreement on the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of troops to their original positions. The parties to the conflict were invited to jointly develop this field. The ratification of this agreement was delayed: the government of Algeria did this on May 17, 1973, and the Moroccans - only in May 1989.

But back to Ahmed bin Bella, who liked to say:

"Castro is my brother, Nasser is a teacher, and Tito is a model for me."

However, the first president of Algeria was then compared not with these prominent figures, but with Nikita Khrushchev, who, before his resignation, managed to present him not only the international Lenin Peace Prize, but also the star of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

As in the USSR under Khrushchev, under the new president, economic problems began in Algeria, and entire sectors of the economy quickly fell into decay.

Algeria, which exported food under the French, now provided itself with food only 30%. Only oil production and refining enterprises worked more or less stably, but after the fall in prices in the 80s. Algeria lost almost the only source of foreign exchange earnings. Social stratification and tension in society grew, the influence of the Islamists increased. Very soon, ordinary Algerians already looked enviously at their compatriots living in France. On June 19, 1965, Ahmed bin Bella was removed from his presidency and arrested. Under the new president, Bumediene, the remaining Jews in the country were taxed additionally; the Islamists launched a campaign to boycott Jewish enterprises and shops.

On June 5, 1967, Algeria declared war on Israel. The Algerian Supreme Court even declared that Jews were not entitled to judicial protection. And on July 23, 1968, militants of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked the plane of the Israeli civilian airline El Al 426, flying from Rome to Tel Aviv. The organization, by the way, was created in 1967 by an Arab pediatrician and Christian George Habash.

The hijackers forced the pilots to land the aircraft in Algeria, where they were hospitably greeted by the authorities of this country, who placed the hostages at one of the military bases. Airliner personnel and male passengers were detained despite official protests by the UN Secretary General, leaders of several Western countries and a boycott of the International Association of Civil Aviation Pilots, announced to Algeria on August 12. The last measure, apparently, turned out to be the most effective, because on August 24 the hostages were nevertheless released - in exchange for 24 terrorists convicted in Israel. Trying to “save face”, Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Even stated that this “humanitarian gesture” was not a fulfillment of the conditions of the PFL militants.

However, FNOP did not stop at this “achievement”. On August 29, 1969, the TWA 840 airliner, flying from Los Angeles to Tel Aviv, was captured and sent to Damascus by two terrorists who suggested that the ambassador of Israel to the United States, I. Rabin, was flying this flight. The operation was led by 23-year-old Leila Hamed, who liked to hijack planes so much that on September 6, 1970 she made another attempt, but was neutralized and transferred to the British authorities at Heathrow Airport.


Leila Hamed

Hamed escaped with a slight startle: on October 1, she was exchanged for hostages of the other four aircraft seized on September 6-8, four of which were landed in Jordan at an airfield arbitrarily seized by Palestinian militants near the city of Irdib. This ended with the fact that the King of Jordan, Hussein, who realized that the Palestinians intend to seize power in the country, began a military operation against them on September 16, during which 20 thousand militants were "utilized" and about 150 thousand were expelled (Black September, about This was briefly described in the article. “Russian volunteers of the French Foreign Legion”).

Hamed in the rank of a national heroine, promising to "behave herself", she settled in Amman, married, gave birth to two children, and in an interview even called DAISH (ISIS, banned in the Russian Federation) "agents of world Zionism."

But we will return to Algeria, where the Islamic Salvation Front formed in 1991 won the first round of parliamentary elections in 1981, after which the voting results were canceled, the IFS was banned and launched a large-scale terror campaign against government officials and civilians.

1991-2001 entered the history of Algeria as the “Black Decade” (in other words, it is called the “Decade of Terror”, “Years of Lead” or “Years of Fire”) - in fact, all this time there was a war between the government and the Islamists.

In 1992, a new coup d'etat took place in the country, as a result of which General Lamin Zerual, the former commander of the Air Force and ground forces of Algeria, a graduate of military schools in Moscow (1965) and in Paris (1974) came to power.

In 1993, the Islamic Salvation Front declared in Algeria “a war against foreigners, during which, for example, 19 Catholic priests and monks were killed (everyone was cut off their heads).

Former Algerian army officer Habib Suaidia wrote the book Dirty War about the events of those years, in which he accused the Minister of Defense of Algeria, a member of the Supreme State Council, Hamed Nezzar and other Algerian generals, of "responsibility for the killing of thousands of people carried out not without the involvement of the Islamic armed group" . The International “Association to Combat Impunity" Trial claims that under Khaled Nezzar in Algeria,

“Bloody repression against political opponents, mass torture, enforced disappearances and extrajudicial executions against them. The result was 200 deaths, the disappearance of 000 people and the forced displacement of more than 20 million people. ”

In turn, Nezzar stated that:

"The Islamic opposition from the FIS, including Hosin Ait Ahmed, poured blood on Algeria, with the exception of individual cases of killings, the army was not involved in this."

Independent researchers agree that the Islamic Front and the Algerian security forces have approximately the same number of victims. For 19 years, from 1992 to 2011, a state of emergency was in effect in Algeria.

The fundamentalists intensified their activity in 2004, and the country was shocked by high-profile terrorist attacks.


Algeria, December 2007, 47 people killed in a double attack


School Bus Explosion Location, Algeria, December 11, 2007

Algerian Islamists did not forget about the “damned colonialists” from France.

On December 24, 1994, four terrorists were captured by an Air France Airbus A-4 that flew from Algeria to Paris, carrying 300 crew members and 12 passengers on board. They wanted to blow up this plane over the Eiffel Tower, but when refueling in Marseille, the “French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group” took the plane by storm, destroying all the terrorists.


Airbus assault by the GIGN group

On December 3, 1996, militants of the Algerian Islamic armed group blew up a gas cylinder filled with nails and metal shavings in a carriage at the Port Royal Royal metro station in Paris: 4 people were killed and more than a hundred were injured.

There were other incidents in France involving Algerians.

In February 2019, as a result of popular unrest that swept Algeria, Abdel Aziz Bouteflika, who has held this post since 1999, was forced to refuse to participate in the presidential election. And at present, the situation in Algeria is far from calm: this state is on the list of 10 most dangerous countries to visit in the world.

Read the article "The Time of Skydivers" and "Je ne regrette rien" remember that Charles de Gaulle declared in 1958:

“Arabs have a high birth rate. This means that if Algeria remains French, France will become Arab. ”

His attempt to close France from Algeria failed. Almost immediately after the victory of the TNF, emigration to France became the dream and meaning of life for many independence fighters, their children and grandchildren.

In 2006, Marcel Bijard, a man who became a legend in the French army (we have already spoken about this several times in the articles of this series) wrote a book “Farewell, my France”, in which there are such lines:

“Farewell, my France, which has become a country of global speculation indiscriminately, a country of unemployment, Islamism, polygamy, permissiveness, impunity, family breakdown.”

I do not think that the modern French have heard these words of one of their last heroes, about which the American historian Max Booth said:

“Bijar’s life refutes the myth popular in the English world that the French are cowardly soldiers.”

He called Bijar "a perfect warrior, one of the great soldiers of the century."


Marcel Bijard with his wife and daughter, 1960

But let's not talk about sad things.

In the following articles, we will talk about the French Foreign Legion of the second half of the XNUMXth century and the beginning of the XNUMXst century, the operations it conducted in the Congo, Mali, Chad, Gabon, the Central African Republic and some other countries. And also about how some French legionnaires in the second half of the twentieth century found a new area of ​​application for their talents, about the famous condottieres of the twentieth century, amazing and fascinating African adventures of "wild geese" and "soldier of fortune".

In preparing the article, the materials of the blog of Urzova Ekaterina were used:
The Story of Slave Keliff.
The Story of Pierre Chateau-Jaubert.
Some of the photos were taken from the same blog, including pictures of the author.
Author:
Articles from this series:
Ryzhov V. A. “Dogs of War” of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V. A. Russian volunteers of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V. A. The most famous Russian “graduates” of the French Foreign Legion. Zinovy ​​Peshkov
Ryzhov V. A. The most successful Russian “legionnaire”. Rodion Malinovsky
Ryzhov V. A. French Foreign Legion in the First and Second World Wars
Ryzhov V.A. Foreign Legion against Vietnam and the Dienbienf Catastrophe
Ryzhov V. A. "Fire in the Empire." Foreign Legion after World War II
Ryzhov V.A. Algerian war of the French Foreign Legion
Ryzhov V.A. Battle of Algeria
Ryzhov V. A. Commanders of the Foreign Legion in the Algerian War
Ryzhov V. A. "The Time of Skydivers" and "Je ne regrette rien"
Ryzhov V.A. OAS and Delta: against de Gaulle and TNF
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  1. cavl
    cavl 9 June 2020 05: 23 New
    +5
    Thanks to the author for interesting material!
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 9 June 2020 07: 12 New
      +3
      Yes, in the author’s head, porridge.
      In Algeria, during the conquest of the colony, the French did not stand on ceremony with the local population. Dissatisfied were killed, and women and children were sold to loyal nomads. There was no pity for anyone, but how pitiful it was about French women children and about their homelessness. And nothing about the bombing of nomads in oases from planes. Dooming entire tribes to extinction.
      In Hungary-Romania-Czechoslovakia-Poland-the Baltic states, all the putsch was carried out by the followers of the Nazis with the money of the French-British-Americans. In Europe today, the ideology of Nazi accomplices triumphs. Even today they are insulted that neither the lands nor the slaves were able to seize * in the east *.
      THE SOVIET UNION also fell apart under the slogans of the Nazis. Do you remember? Do you remember how diligently trampled VICTORY DAY? Do you remember?
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 9 June 2020 10: 50 New
        +2
        There, below there is a comment which is written to justify the French with indignation at those who expelled these French. Without mentioning, how many people were killed during the capture of Algeria? And how many were destroyed to keep this colony?
        And why did the colonial troops seem to abandon * their own *, and the responsibility for those who threw these colonialists out? What did the French take out of the colony if their own French were redundant?
        And then we are surprised * at the stakes of Urengoy *.
        1. fuxila
          fuxila 9 June 2020 15: 29 New
          +5
          ... and how many people were destroyed during the capture of Algeria? And how many were destroyed to keep this colony?

          But you can recall even an earlier story that before the arrival of the Arabs on these lands, Algeria (and neighboring Tunisia) was a prosperous Roman (Byzantine) province, the breadbasket of the empire, where the Orthodox population spoke Latin. And then the Arab conquerors came and part of the indigenous population was destroyed, some fled to Italy and France, others were forced to convert to Islam and Arabized ...
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 9 June 2020 19: 06 New
            +2
            And before the Romans, other peoples lived on them.
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 June 2020 08: 45 New
      +7
      Everything mixed up people, horses ... Muslim Arab Algeria and atheistic France, Orthodox Slavic-speaking Ukraine and Russia, Hungary and the USSR ... well, the author did not drag Russia and the Horde)
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 June 2020 19: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        Everything mixed up people horses

        Just revolutionaries are not very different from each other.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 June 2020 05: 27 New
    +1
    The tragedy of French Algeria
    Rather, it was a civil war and the tragedy of France. Algeria only formally was not a province of France.
    1. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 9 June 2020 09: 45 New
      +2
      Good morning .
      Thanks, interesting, of course I knew about these events, but in general terms.
      About the war with monuments.
      They are defenseless, they cannot stand up for themselves.
      Cowards and just stupid, drugged people fight with them.
      If there is no solid power, then this happens.
      And in Russia after the revolution of the 17th year, the same thing happened.
      Okay, Ukraine, but Poland and the Czech Republic, there people did not demolish monuments, but a group of people (possibly under the influence of alcohol) supported by the authorities of the city or community.
      I don’t understand this, because this is a story, and no matter what Konev is, good or bad, HE freed the city with his soldiers.
      In Western Europe, monuments are not demolished. Although yes, the material is not about that. I look forward to continuing.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 9 June 2020 16: 44 New
        +2
        Blacksmith, I read with great interest. For me this is new, and therefore especially interesting
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 9 June 2020 17: 13 New
        +1
        "cowards are at war with them" on the contrary: how much "heroism" is needed to fight with a monument
    2. IImonolitII
      IImonolitII 9 June 2020 14: 40 New
      +2
      Just Algeria was formally a province of France, unlike other colonies.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 08: 14 New
        0
        Yes thank you. Error, only formally. WIKI:
        Administratively consisted of two parts - three densely populated Mediterranean departments, incorporated into the territory of the metropolis (that is, actually becoming part of France proper) from the northern (Mediterranean) side and the vast sparsely populated desert and semi-desert expanses of the Sahara to the south. French Algeria became a mixed resettlement and resource colony of France.
        Which led to the spread of infection. The Englishwoman shit. They were great specialists at work in Muslim countries. And then how can one not cheat on an ally neighbor? repeat
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 9 June 2020 05: 40 New
    -2
    It has long been clear for myself that Islam is the most fascist of religions and the most dangerous.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 June 2020 08: 58 New
      +9
      Quote: Pessimist22

      It has long been clear for myself that Islam is the most fascist of religions and the most dangerous.

      Islam is a religion, Islamic fundamentalism is a perverted concept of Islam. In Christianity, too, there is such a thing.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 9 June 2020 08: 58 New
      +8
      ANY religion supports both the Nazis and the Nazis and the slave trade.
      There, the Nazis on every buckle of their soldier prescribed their faith in God.
      The Americans also write on each piece of paper about their faith in God, without specifying what kind of god this is. .
      So the church also enters itself into moralists ascribing to itself all mental and unthinking virtues and good deeds.
      1. Yura
        Yura 9 June 2020 11: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Vasily50
        ANY religion supports both the Nazis and the Nazis and the slave trade.
        There, the Nazis on every buckle of their soldier prescribed their faith in God.
        The Americans also write on each piece of paper about their faith in God, without specifying what kind of god this is. .
        So the church also enters itself into moralists ascribing to itself all mental and unthinking virtues and good deeds.

        Religion is Faith, it is morality and conscience (in Soviet times, the expression “freedom of religion” often sounded “freedom of conscience” and this is official), it’s another matter how these feelings of people are used by rulers, politicians and simply greedy and selfish individuals, including Unfortunately, there are representatives of the Churches.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 9 June 2020 16: 51 New
          +2
          "greedy and mercenary individuals", but where are they not?
          1. Yura
            Yura 9 June 2020 18: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: vladcub
            "greedy and mercenary individuals", but where are they not?

            Probably as long as there is a person, they will be everywhere, although ..., about ten or eleven years ago, the Novgorod region, I drove into one village, there is no further road, a dead end, around the hill like in the Far East where I used to be, I stopped on a hill near the church, to stand, see this beautiful place. I look below the garden of acres 15 under the potatoes, there Father with a horse and five kids of which there are five people, they spud it manually with hoes. After this, my grandchildren we were baptized only there and my father was buried by the father of this church. It takes us one and a half hours to get to it by car, although there is a church nearby in a fifteen minute walk.
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 9 June 2020 21: 08 New
              0
              The church is roughly the house, and the abbot is the soul of the house. In the church, what are you talking about, the spirit of hard work, faith and love lives
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 9 June 2020 21: 37 New
        0
        So, so easily * Jura * lied, and at the same time he will be sure of his innocence - * he was so taught *
        The history of mankind is much older than Judaism and Christianity-Islam, while the ethical standards of the hostel were in ALL PEOPLES.
        I will reveal * the secret * even animals have their own * ethical * norms. This is clearly seen in zoos, as animals are forced to live nearby.
        1. Yura
          Yura 9 June 2020 22: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: Vasily50
          The history of mankind is much older than Judaism and Christianity-Islam, while the ethical standards of the hostel were in ALL PEOPLES.

          Eight years ago, I wrote with almost the same words here on the site and I was brought up in the same country as you, your secret for me is not discovering about fifty years with a hook and a believer I myself am the way I saw them and I don’t see it, and my questions to this topic are the same as there were and your post is not about what I wrote, it is about people
          Quote: Astra wild
          In the church, what are you talking about, the spirit of hard work, faith and love lives
          You are up to this person as to the moon on foot.
          1. Astra wild
            Astra wild 10 June 2020 15: 21 New
            +1
            Jura, probably, I didn’t put it that way? You spoke to a rural church, where a priest and his family cultivated a field.
            I wrote: “the spirit of industriousness (without industriousness they cannot cultivate) lives of faith (a person" serving "the service is noticeable, but you baptized your grandchildren there, and not closer) of love (love and faith helps the family cultivate the garden).
            I am an atheist, but I respect people who believe. Many of my friends began to observe all the rituals and try to introduce me, but they can’t
            1. Yura
              Yura 10 June 2020 16: 24 New
              0
              Thank you for the clarification, I understood your comment approximately as you wrote and you understood everything correctly too. It's just that people who are believers, like representatives of the church, they are different, but you trust decent people and it doesn’t matter whether it is a believer or an atheist, we people judge others not by words, but by deeds and their attitude towards others.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      It has long been clear for myself that Islam is the most fascist of religions and the most dangerous.

      I don’t remember that in Muslim countries witches were burned, etc.
      1. IImonolitII
        IImonolitII 9 June 2020 14: 42 New
        +3
        Well, yes, they are stoned there, it’s much more humane.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 June 2020 15: 13 New
          +5
          If we talk about humanity, then religious tolerance, patronage of science and the preservation of ancient cultural heritage was, and until the 16th century, it was typical for Muslim countries. Forced no one was converted to their religion, for example.
          Today's popularized fundamentalism is contrary to Islam. Before you judge someone’s religion, you need to know it, antagonism based on Faith and cultural differences comes from ignorance.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 June 2020 16: 57 New
            +1
            Albert! hi
            I will subscribe to every word! But I note that a person who claims that Islam, initially, is one of the most tolerant religions, runs the risk of being stoned by proponents of Christianity.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 June 2020 17: 05 New
              +2
              Greetings! hi Anton, in the times I mentioned, he was the most tolerant)).
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 June 2020 17: 17 New
                +1
                I know something. As I understand it, religious intolerance in Islam originated with the dominance of the Ottomans in the Islamic world.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 June 2020 17: 36 New
                  +2
                  By and large - yes. But the Turks are not to blame, the marginalization of Arab society, the clan spirit and the use of religion in the struggle for power between factions led to this.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 June 2020 17: 56 New
                    +2
                    Hmmm. The struggle for power between factions in Islam began immediately after the death of the prophet. What do you mean by the "marginalization of Arab society"?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 40 New
                      +2
                      The Ottomans beat them hard. They took power away, rudely, and they degraded as a state-forming people, ceased to be over time.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 18: 51 New
                        +1
                        Interesting version. Do you want to write material on this topic?
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 02 New
                        +2
                        Now I am writing material on the topic "Treatment of Breast Cancer in Israel." laughing
                        And I also have a procurement of material “Oncology in the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation”. Russians were the first to plant tumors in mice and other animals with RI, by the way. Experimental Oncology Begins
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 23 New
                        +2
                        "Treatment of breast cancer in Israel"
                        For a woman, this is a tragedy. In Russia, the boobs are first cut off, and then admit to a diagnosis error. I know the victim of such sloppiness.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 31 New
                        +2
                        Breast can be restored - both from implants and your own tissues. Everything is solvable, a question of money
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 40 New
                        +1
                        Yes, it is recovering. Silicone insert and at least a year of torment with a stretch of the skin.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 42 New
                        +2
                        Clear
                        There is a problem that you can’t get a score from doctors
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 58 New
                        +1
                        You already wrote. The problem of modern Russian oncology is the problem of early diagnosis
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 21: 19 New
                        +1
                        Not only. Qualification-attitude to patients-Laboratory.
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 22: 16 New
                        +1
                        Attitude to patients at the level of "Lobanova", from the early "Interns"
                2. Astra wild
                  Astra wild 9 June 2020 21: 27 New
                  +1
                  My poet, you so vividly described that you involuntarily think: how does he know? You did not have personal experience - 100%, the story of a loved one remains
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 June 2020 21: 57 New
                  +1
                  My Beautiful Stranger! Do you need personal experience?
                  It’s enough for me that several women I know have undergone a mammectomy, moreover, two of them, due to an erroneous diagnosis.
                4. Astra wild
                  Astra wild 10 June 2020 15: 29 New
                  0
                  My grandmother lived through the house and there were two women who had a mammectomy. You have no idea how a woman can undergo such an operation, and besides, by mistake
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 9 June 2020 21: 22 New
    0
    As soon as the bickering for power begins, the best ideas fly away
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 9 June 2020 21: 17 New
    0
    Colleague Albert, you are rightly saying, and it is especially valuable to hear from a Jew. If in Israel at least _40% of the population thinks so and considers Lenin a great man, then I will change my attitude towards Jews for the better
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 06: 51 New
      +2
      Faith, in Israel they don’t bother much about Lenin)),
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 10 June 2020 20: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        in Israel they don’t bother much about Lenin)),

        And right, why? laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 43 New
          +2
          Well - to respect laughing
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 10 June 2020 20: 49 New
            +1
            The party is lost. Ilyich is not in trend. Will there be a revenge? To be honest, I don’t know.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 50 New
              +2
              Lenin was a great man, but now he is not relevant
              1. Liam
                Liam 10 June 2020 20: 56 New
                +1
                hi
                And when were they relevant?)
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 58 New
                +2
                Welcome hi
                In 1917, when there was no cheap bread (went to the needs of the front), and the road was inaccessible to the bulk of the population
              3. Liam
                Liam 10 June 2020 21: 07 New
                +3
                There were no particular problems with bread in 1917.
                And Lenin is simply a shallow opportunist. All of his “teachings” are a set of slogans from Captain Obvious. Moreover, he changed his shoes on the move in accordance with the political moment.
                About the results themselves in the know)
              4. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 21: 39 New
                +4
                There were problems with bread in 1917)).
                Therefore, the Bolsheviks and supported in the cities.
                Lenin is not a set of slogans from the Captain, but the use of quotes from Capital to usurp and maintain power, which he brilliantly managed hi
              5. Liam
                Liam 10 June 2020 23: 24 New
                +1
                But after the 17th, bread came to the USSR in abundance. All 70 years. From millions of dead from hunger and cannibalism to oil for food of the 70-80s as the highest point of developed socialism)
                Quote: Krasnodar
                that he was brilliantly removed

                Such "brilliant" gorlopans who brought their countries to poverty for the sake of personal power are fat herds. The most "fresh" ones are Chavez, Mugabe and others and other
              6. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 23: 27 New
                +2
                Well, it wasn’t such that expensive French rolls were sold in the store, and there was no simple loaf
                Famine happened under kings more than once
                I do not say that the USSR was a paradise
                But at that time he usurped power in the subject
                And he did the right thing to keep her
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 June 2020 21: 09 New
    +3
    Will not take place. Here I am - as it is, the proletarian, all my life. But all these slogans: "workers are sitting in the darkness, they chew on wet bread," this is not about me !!!!!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 21: 42 New
      +2
      Workers are sitting in the dark
      Wet bread
      And next to the bourgeoisie
      Caviar stellate sturgeon ...
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 22: 07 New
      +2
      You know, I will say this, paraphrasing:
      "For every" simpleton, "pretty" wisdom " wassat laughing
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 22: 21 New
      +2
      For every wise pretty ordinary people? winked
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 22: 41 New
      +2
      Doesn't roll, it's "Albanian" wassat
    5. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 22: 46 New
      +2
      No, Albanian is uzpugayus
    6. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 22: 56 New
      +2
      You lose the scent, in the original: "get scared"
    7. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 22: 59 New
      +2
      Wah, I don’t know the original, don’t stomp my scent))
    8. bubalik
      bubalik 10 June 2020 23: 01 New
      +2
      ,,, Yesterday, on foot!
    9. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 23: 29 New
      +3
      Many beech fellow
    10. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 23: 37 New
      +2
      Nifiga you both do not write in "Albanian" !!!! Young ischo!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 9 June 2020 16: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: IImonolitII
    Well, yes, they are stoned there, it’s much more humane.

    Witty said
  • snerg7520
    snerg7520 11 June 2020 08: 40 New
    0
    It has long been clear for myself that Islam is the most fascist of religions and the most dangerous.

    Fiercely plus!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 June 2020 06: 30 New
    -1
    A good series of articles, which the author was able to "ditch" interspersed about Hungary, Ukroin, Prague, Moscow ...
    In vain ...
    Are we writing about Algeria or global issues? In vain.
    1. VLR
      9 June 2020 10: 05 New
      +4
      Unfortunately, you didn’t understand anything. Drawing an analogy, I wanted to say that if we accept the norm of atrocities of TNF militants, explaining them as a “national liberation struggle,” we must accept and justify the atrocities of Bandera in Western Ukraine. If we believe that the destruction of monuments in Algeria is normal, then we should be "silent in a rag" when our monuments in Poland, Ukraine and further on the list are destroyed. There can be no separation of militants, terrorists and vandals into “good” and “bad”.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 June 2020 11: 05 New
        +1
        The questions raised by you, I believe, should have been singled out in a separate article. A kind of postscript. And you, excuse me, in a good cycle at the end of a tar spoon.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 June 2020 06: 31 New
    +2
    But de Gaulle in May 1962 declared:

    "France should not bear any responsibility in maintaining order ... If someone is killed, this is a matter for the new government."

    And it became clear to everyone that the black-footed Algeria, as well as the local Arabs-evolves and harki are doomed.

    Indeed, immediately after the declaration of independence of Algeria in large cities, a real hunt began for them.

    According to rough estimates, about 150 thousand people were killed (“rough” because only men were counted, while women and children from their families were often exterminated as well
    ).
    what a bastard it turns out to be this "glorious" de Gaulle!

    Well, I gave independence, think about PEOPLE, about your compatriots!
    The most outrageous thing was that people who were most interested in its outcome were excluded from participating in the April 1962 referendum - the "black-footed" Algeria and local Arabs who had the right to vote: this was a direct violation of the third article of the French Constitution, and the vote was legitimate could not be considered.

    And what was the basis for depriving them of their right to vote — their views, the color of their skin? And this is France. ....

    And this is Odessa, February 4, 2020: nationalists ruin the last bas-relief of G.K. Zhukov

    Odessa, if it is already mentioned in the context of Algeria, is no longer the territory of the colony, but the territory of the METROPOLY, captured by the animals that arrived from the colony. Or rathergiven traitors to them 102 years ago against the will of its citizens, forcibly. 102 years of inhabitants of Odessa forced to think and know that they ... "Ukraine", but not Russia

    traitors 90-100 years ago, just as the respected author showed, KUVALDY destroyed all the RUSSIAN monuments of Odessa, Catherine the Great, the founder of New Russia, General Radetsky, Alexander Column, etc. AND WHAT do they differ from those shown by the author?

    as for the Dznrzhinsky monument, I remind the author that he stood still demolished by the barbarians monument architecture -fountain Valerie, which should be restored there, returning to Moscow at least a particle of its unique historical appearance destroyed by vandals (Sukharev Tower, Russian monuments of the Kremlin. Monuments to the heroes of 1812, etc.).

    Mentioning the monuments being destroyed today, it would be nice to recall WHAT they did to the monuments 100-90 years ago ...

    Events in Algeria were repeated, almost exactly the same, in Tajikistan, with Russian people, with the same betrayal of the center. the number of victims is unknown. but many, many thousands. And not only in Tajikistan ...
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 9 June 2020 08: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Olgovich
      Mentioning the monuments being destroyed today, it would be nice to recall WHAT they did to the monuments 100-90 years ago ...



      Quote: Olgovich
      it stood on the site of the Valery fountain demolished by the barbarians, which should be restored there, returning to Moscow at least a particle of its unique historical appearance destroyed by the vandals (Sukharev Tower, Russian monuments of the Kremlin. monuments to the heroes of 1812, etc.)


      Every year in Moscow, two dozen objects of cultural heritage and architectural monuments are demolished. But the barbarians are only Bolsheviks. It is amazing how the Kremlin has not yet demolished these ears. However, the manager there something kolhozit slowly.
      PS I'm not afraid for the Mausoleum. Only three letters to change.
      PPS The series of articles is wonderful. Everything about the case. And modern parallels.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 June 2020 09: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        Every year in Moscow, two dozen objects of cultural heritage and architectural monuments are demolished. But the barbarians are only Bolsheviks. It's amazing how the Kremlin still hasn’t demolished it.

        all barbarians who demolish like that.

        the Bolsheviks half the Kremlin and demolished, yes. Like the Sukharev Tower, the main monuments to the Heroes of OV 1812, the Red Gate, the Siomon Monastery and other and other.

        No Mamai did this.
        Quote: sergo1914
        PS I'm not afraid for the Mausoleum. Only three letters to change.

        intrigued .... what
        Quote: sergo1914
        PPS The series of articles is wonderful. Everything about the case.

        I agree.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 June 2020 14: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          all the barbarians who demolish like that

          Georges Eugene Osman would not agree with you. Yes, and the center of Paris, in case of refusal omanizationwould turn into hell.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 June 2020 17: 26 New
            0
            Bravo, Alexey!
            Something similar happened with Barcelona.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 9 June 2020 17: 33 New
            -6
            Quote: Alexey RA

            Georges Eugene Osman would not agree with you. And the center of Paris, in the event of refusal from the Ottomanization, would have turned into hell.

            let him.

            and Russia is not France, Moscow is not Paris, and we are not Prussians, but natural Rusaks. yes

            and the demolition of the Sukharev Tower, the Cathedral of Christ the Savior and the Simonov Monastery (part) did not solve the transport problem
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 June 2020 09: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      Well, I gave independence, think about PEOPLE, about your compatriots!

      And to this day we see this all the time, our compatriots betray their own and even destroy.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 9 June 2020 07: 48 New
    +6
    Sold French army rifle. In perfect condition, almost new, not a single shot was fired, once thrown to the ground.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 June 2020 09: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      Sold French army rifle.

      For the sale of rarities, there are other sites on the VO do not sell used ammunition.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 9 June 2020 13: 36 New
        +4
        This is humor, if that. Kamrad described a “warrior” who, without firing a single shot, threw a rifle and raised their hands.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 June 2020 13: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Okolotochny
          This is humor, if that.

          And without humor it’s not interesting to live.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 12: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Nagan
      Sold French army rifle. In perfect condition, almost new, not a single shot was fired, once thrown to the ground.

      Sells for the Reichsmarks? )))
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 June 2020 15: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Sells for the Reichsmarks?

        For the occupying Reichsmarks. smile
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 17: 29 New
        +1
        It became interesting, have you ever held in your hands full-fledged silver rechsmarks?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 June 2020 17: 37 New
          +1
          Never, moreover, I didn’t even see the paper ones live))
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 June 2020 18: 04 New
            +1
            I held in my hands. Moreover, I could buy a couple of liters of vodka. Unfortunately, in those days, vodka and women were much more interested in such rarities.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 39 New
              +2
              Even now, I am interested in real values ​​more than rarities)). Vodka is gone, but women and dollars - yes laughing
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 June 2020 18: 47 New
                +1
                I am now interested in the ability of the Chinese economy to survive these troubles. Otherwise, you will have to go "occasion" to the Neva.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 48 New
                  +1
                  Survive - the oligarchy under the power of commies will always receive help from the CCP))
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 June 2020 18: 55 New
                    +1
                    I also tend to this version. Moreover, I believe that the first hospital on the moon will be Chinese. They are too motivated.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 59 New
                      +1
                      Rather, on Mars
                      Tungsten, Gold, Platinum
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 15 New
                        +1
                        Nafig this Mars, with its scrap metal!
                        On the moon - helium-2!
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 17 New
                        +1
                        Well, maybe ))
                      3. Anastezia
                        Anastezia 9 June 2020 19: 43 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Well, maybe ))

                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Nafig this Mars, with its scrap metal!
                        On the moon - helium-2!

                        Already divide the moon among themselves .. But the first lunar rover was Soviet!
                        How do you like to share what you have not yet achieved!
    3. ANB
      ANB 10 June 2020 09: 18 New
      +1
      . Have you ever held full-fledged silver rehsmarks in your hands?

      I held. At mother’s house, there is a coin in 2 Reichsmarks with the Hindenburg, 1936. Is she silver?
      By the way, the stamps were either Reichs or occupational.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 June 2020 17: 35 New
        +2
        With the image of the Hindenburg, face value of 2 Reichsmarks, silver / copper alloy in a ratio of 2/1.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 June 2020 09: 12 New
    +3
    So far, Algeria is practically closed to foreigners, except Algeria. All because of the safety of the white population, frostbitten on the head. Although meeting with former military students studying in the USSR, they are good people. The country is very poor, a large stratification between Arabs and local tribes. No wonder the Moroccans are holding a huge army on the border with Algeria.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 June 2020 10: 04 New
    +7
    De Gaulle betrayed France and naturally lost the post of its president ...
    1. VLR
      9 June 2020 10: 10 New
      +5
      At the time of de Gaulle's resignation, in France he was openly called a senile - not only those who fled from Algeria, everything was clear to everyone. As we have in the late 90s, few still had illusions about Yeltsin. And the gallist Pompidou played the role of "saving the country" Putin. But propaganda is doing its job - de Gaulle is again a positive character in France.
      1. Anastezia
        Anastezia 9 June 2020 19: 49 New
        -3
        Quote: VlR
        At the time of de Gaulle's resignation, in France he was openly called a senile - not only those who fled from Algeria, everything was clear to everyone.

        Interesting opinion)))) De Gaulle is the only one of all the heads of state of Europe who dared to doubt the dollar and demanded gold for a cargo ship loaded with dollars .. And what did he end up with? It’s familiar, isn't it .. hi
        Quote: VlR
        But propaganda is doing its job - de Gaulle is again a positive character in France.

        Everyone remembers de Gaulle .. Unlike Sarkozy and now this .. Damn it
        People can’t be fooled by all sorts of liberal things ..
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 10 June 2020 15: 34 New
        0
        How do they feel about Pompeda now?
  • Legionista
    Legionista 9 June 2020 10: 43 New
    +5
    The "black-footed" who left Algeria took him with them to save him from abuse. Now he can be seen in the Corsican city of Bonifacio

    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-06/1591519053_voennosluzhaschim-inostrannogo-legiona-gorod-bonifacio-korsika.jpg

    The monument was created by sculptor Robert DELANDRE in 1910. Dedicated to the legionnaires and soldiers of the African Army (Armée d'Afrique) who died in 1897-1902 in South Oran (campagnes du Sud-Oranais).
    On June 23, 1962, the monument was transported to Corsica by the legionnaires of the 2 Training Center (Center d'instruction # 2), on June 23, 1963, the monument was transferred to the city of Bonifacio. Now located on Bir-Hakeim Square
  • Operator
    Operator 9 June 2020 11: 00 New
    -3
    The author draws the ears of France to the history of Algeria after gaining independence laughing

    Let the Algerians at least cut themselves short — for us and other Europeans what matters — unless, of course, among the readers there are no fighters for justice all over the world, but purely their personal problem (worthless liberals).

    It was the liberals, and not the Gaullists, who opened wide the gates for the mass emigration of biorobots from Algeria, after which they naturally received today's France with an Islamic wormhole and numerous terrorist attacks in Paris.

    But the author still ardently supports the infusion of not 10% (as it is now), but already 50% of Muslims in the French population of 1960 laughing
    1. gsev
      gsev 13 June 2020 02: 31 New
      0
      [quote = Operator] Let the Algerians at least all cut themselves - for us and other Europeans what’s the matter [/ quot
      The exacerbation of the black decade in the civil war was caused by Ben Ladan sending several campaign tapes and several thousand dollars calling for active civil disobedience. In principle, then the Algerians themselves were not allowed to create on their land a semblance of pseudo-Islamic entities that appeared in Iraq and Syria. The emergence of a terrorist state will require such a diversion of the forces of European civilization that it could lead to its decline.
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 June 2020 09: 47 New
        +1
        Western European civilization will roll back not from Islamic terrorism, but from tolerance towards Africans and Asians laughing
  • Dima 27
    Dima 27 9 June 2020 11: 01 New
    +2
    Thank you for the excellent series of articles, added everything to bookmarks, I look forward to continuing! By the way, on the south tube there is our fellow countryman, who has served in the legion for 8 years, DAS MESSER, who are interested in the current situation in the legion and in France --- very good content.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +3
    As I understand it, the next series of articles will be devoted to Black September?
    1. VLR
      9 June 2020 11: 28 New
      +5
      So far - the continuation of the history of the legion: I myself did not expect that I would “cling to it” like that (or that he would “cling to me” like that). In the following articles - about mercenaries, in particular, about one of the associates of Jeanpierre in the First Parachute Battalion of the Legion, I will not mention the name for now. But not only about him: there are still very interesting characters, although not legionaries, it is simply impossible not to talk about.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 11: 45 New
        +7
        A very good cycle, we will wait to continue! Thanks to you, I became interested in the topic and discovered on the Internet the story of one legionnaire - my double fellow countryman Ilya (Eliyahu) Itskovich. During the occupation of Moldova during the Second World War, his family was shot by the village headman, a certain Shtanesku, who hid the people of Moldavian peasants, he gave to the Germans. The boy managed to get to Israel through Romania, while serving in the army he met a French Jewess who said that the collaborator managed to escape to France, where he entered the Legion and is rumored to be in Vietnam. According to fake documents, the guy left Israel, went on a long AWOL, got to France, entered the legion, found Shtansuke in Vietnam and dealt with him quietly. After being demobilized from the Legion, he came to the Israeli embassy in Paris, was brought to Israel, sentenced to one year for desertion (received the mildest punishment), and earned his due. The incredible story is confirmed by Israeli sources.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 June 2020 13: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The incredible story is confirmed by Israeli sources.

          Well done Ilya, he went a long way, but he punished the beast.
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      3. Legionista
        Legionista 9 June 2020 13: 48 New
        +3
        In the following articles - about mercenaries, in particular, about one of the associates of Jeanpierre in the First Parachute Battalion of the Legion, I will not mention the name

        Commandant RF? wink
        You are a brave man) hi . I foresee how much will be “thrown” on the fan by “fighters for the freedom of the oppressed peoples of Africa”
        1. VLR
          9 June 2020 14: 58 New
          +4
          We don’t get used to anything, we’ll break through smile
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 June 2020 18: 35 New
          +4
          I will be the first to advocate for the “white man's burden”!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 50 New
            +3
            And I'm for mochilovo with the Arabs))
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 09 New
              +2
              You already participated in this mochilov. The second Lebanese conflict is so staged that even Shakespeare is resting. But people, on both sides, were dying quite real.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 18 New
                +2
                Why staged? Stupidly and stupidly conducted by the Israelis, but with very favorable consequences for them)).
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 32 New
                  +1
                  But for Lebanon, no? laughing
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 34 New
                    +2
                    Well ... a country with a "powerful economy" suffered a loss of billions of tanks, among Muslims, the popularity of Hezbollah rose, which began to hang out already in Beirut, because they were kicked out of the south - I don’t think so))
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 June 2020 19: 52 New
                      +1
                      It was Lebanon in the “United Nations” that howled, and in real life, the Israeli air force freely blew up the quarters of Beirut in the rubble that needed reconstruction. "Negotiated"?
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 20: 20 New
                        +3
                        The Hezbollah Quarter consisted of new buildings)).
          2. Legionista
            Legionista 9 June 2020 19: 02 New
            +3
            yes And please do not forget the lines of the equally famous poet Hilaire BELLOC
            "Whatever happens, we have got
            The Maxim gun, and they have not " hi
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 19 New
              +2
              By the way, with machine guns, what about the legionnaires?
              1. Legionista
                Legionista 9 June 2020 19: 36 New
                +3
                That easier))). I had MINIMI (para). However, almost all machine gunners, as a rule, were Russian-speaking.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 39 New
                  +2
                  In the IDF of my call, most laughing
                  We loved MAG FN, and from 5.56 we had our own NEGEV, who replaced miniYA))
                  1. Legionista
                    Legionista 9 June 2020 20: 06 New
                    +2
                    When I still used AAN F-1 (since the Algerian war was in service) wassat , then they began to switch to MAG FN (MAG 58) wink
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 20: 23 New
                      +2
                      MAG FN - our fs! Only heavy, bastard
                      1. Legionista
                        Legionista 9 June 2020 20: 57 New
                        +1
                        Precisely) and with it do not jump out of either Transall C160, nor from Hercules C130, nor from CASA CN-235 lol
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 21: 14 New
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                        In Israel, the last landing took place in 1956)).
                        On exercises and march-throws it’s hard with him, out of preparation I shot him only with TBTR))
                2. Legionista
                  Legionista 9 June 2020 20: 29 New
                  +3
                  In the IDF of my call, most laughing

                  At our place, one sergeant always repeated: “I am always calmer when I am near a machine gun, and doubly calmer when this Russian machine gun” wassat .
                  1. Anastezia
                    Anastezia 9 June 2020 20: 44 New
                    0
                    Quote: Legionista
                    In the IDF of my call, most laughing

                    At our place, one sergeant always repeated: “I am always calmer when I am near a machine gun, and doubly calmer when this Russian machine gun” wassat .

                    In the Second World War it was also mostly (no offense to others) It just happened! Now they poison us for this, for our cowardice, etc.
                    We fight back as we can ...
                    PS And another general said in all seriousness .. "If the composition of the Russians is less than 70% in the offensive operation .. That attack will drown and not fulfill the task .. Change the composition and urgently! hi
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 June 2020 20: 54 New
                    +2
                    Eeeee, military! laughing (Well, I'm a jester!)
                    But what about the Legion and Tsahal with personal weapons? I mean a short barrel.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 21: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Eeeee, military! laughing (Well, I'm a jester!)
                      But what about the Legion and Tsahal with personal weapons? I mean a short barrel.

                      In the IDF at the special forces - Zigzauer and local Jericho in my time were, now like Glocka
                    2. Legionista
                      Legionista 9 June 2020 22: 08 New
                      +2
                      But what about the Legion and Tsahal with personal weapons? Mean short barrel

                      For a long time there were PA (MAC50), the 50th year of release))), almost the same age as our PM, from the 2000s they were gradually changing to PAMAS G1 (French version of BERETTA F92). Then, apparently, everyone "came to their senses" lol , and began to smoothly switch to “GLOCK-17 is our everything.”
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 June 2020 22: 52 New
                      +1
                      Of course, I was still a “gunfighter”, but I shot from the “Glock”. Moreover, at the same time with the "CZ-75". In my opinion, a Czech is better than an Austrian.
                      “Beretta” did not use, it is worth filling the gap.
                    4. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 06: 58 New
                      +2
                      Do special forces or all fighters? Although, as I read, the training for all Fighters of the Legion by Israeli standards is special forces - 4 months of KMB, 1,5 years of specialized training
                    5. Legionista
                      Legionista 10 June 2020 09: 54 New
                      +2
                      Only with officers and some sous-officier. "Special Forces", as such, in I.L. no. hi
                      4 months KMB, 1,5 years specialized training

                      You are right, 4 months - KMB in the training regiment, then everything is in combat regiments.
                    6. Legionista
                      Legionista 10 June 2020 10: 04 New
                      +1
                      There is a platoon of commandos (Section Commando Parachutistes) in 2REP, here they can, with reservations, be called "Special Forces". They are part of the commandos 11 parachute brigade (Groupement Commando Parachutistes (GCP) 11 BP)
                    7. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 10: 28 New
                      0
                      They, if I am not mistaken, have the right to free hostages (or interventions when taking hostages)?
                    8. Legionista
                      Legionista 10 June 2020 10: 47 New
                      +2
                      The main task for them, in the interests of the regiment, is reconnaissance and organization of the landing zone (landing) of regimental units. In the interests of 11BP, there are already more specific tasks; I do not know them. The Gendarmerie (GIGN) is working as hostage in France, you must have heard. There is also a police counterpart (GIPN).
                    9. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 10: 50 New
                      +1
                      Gendarmerie intervention squad.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 10: 29 New
                0
                Do you get a white cap after 1,5 years in a regiment?
              3. Legionista
                Legionista 10 June 2020 10: 56 New
                +2
                The cap is given after a month “on the farm” if the “volunteer” (engagé volontaire) successfully passes the “Kepi Blanc” march. After the march, a cap is handed over and called the "Legionnaire". But for a long time they have been called “engagé gamelle”, this is slang), approximately means “bowler, bowl”. In short, you only know how to eat, there is no longer any benefit from you. laughing
              4. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 11: 00 New
                0
                A march to the White Cap - for a hundred kilometers?
              5. Legionista
                Legionista 10 June 2020 11: 16 New
                +2
                No) it's all easier. Usually they leave early in the morning, the next day, after lunch, everything ends and 65-70 kilometers. With the "bags", of course)
              6. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 10 June 2020 11: 28 New
                +1
                Well, it’s easy for people under 30 years old. )) Of course, I do not take into account the climatic features of the terrain on which it is done, I don’t know how many km of this “stretcher”.
              7. Legionista
                Legionista 10 June 2020 11: 39 New
                +2
                Everything is very calm. As a rule, all pass).
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 June 2020 21: 15 New
    +3
    Another percent of 85% of snipers were also Russian-speaking))
  • saygon66
    saygon66 9 June 2020 21: 29 New
    +2
    - "Your lot is the Burden of the Whites! Don’t dare to drop it!"
    - Do not dare to talk about freedom to hide the weakness of your shoulders ... "(C) Rudyard Kipling.
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 9 June 2020 13: 13 New
    +2
    “The most outrageous thing was that people who were most interested in its outcome were excluded from participating in the April 1962 referendum - the“ black-footed ”Algeria and local Arabs who had the right to vote: this was a direct violation of the third article of the French Constitution, and this was legitimate the vote could not be considered. ”

    Was de Gaulle so afraid of this million votes? Given that the majority of the French (75%) supported the idea of ​​granting independence to Algeria, this million voters could not influence the results of the referendum.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 13: 41 New
      +4
      Thus, he showed them: "you are not part of France."
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 9 June 2020 13: 46 New
        +2
        I agree, it’s more like a general hysteria than a prudent move by an experienced politician.
        1. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 9 June 2020 18: 07 New
          +1
          de Gaulle in May 1962 declared:
          "France should not bear any responsibility in maintaining order ... If someone is killed, this is a matter for the new government."

          The black-footed Algeria, the local Arabs-evolves and harki supported the coup of the generals. The lanky president could not forgive them. The “offended reconnaissance” complex drowned out the male element in it.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 9 June 2020 15: 48 New
    +2
    Thanks for the stuff. Indeed, the great tragedy!
    Always terrible when betrayed. And even more so when they betray their ...
    As for the Arabs, the luminaries of knowledge and wisdom, like Avicenna and Khayam, ended ...
    There were wild, dirty animals, driven by primitive instincts ...
    However, nationalists and chaos always, in all countries, give birth to such animals.
    1. Kosh
      Kosh 9 June 2020 18: 09 New
      +4
      So Avicenna and Khayyam were Muslims, but not Arabs, but Persians by nationality.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 57 New
        +2
        Want Arabs?
        Abu Camil - algebra, equations
        Abu salt - geometry, astronomy
        Ahmed Ibn Yusuf, mathematics, medicine, astronomy - one of the Fibonacci idols
        Of the many, continue?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 June 2020 23: 55 New
          +1
          About Fibonacci - did not understand?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 June 2020 06: 39 New
            +1
            Based in its activities including on his writings
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 June 2020 17: 09 New
    +1
    Thank you, Valery!
    To be honest, I, like many admirers of your work, believe that the last few materials have turned out to be somewhat emotionally supersaturated. However, this is the author’s right.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 9 June 2020 17: 14 New
    -4
    Very similar pictures, right?

    Pictures are similar, only the monuments are all different. And their meaning. Vladimir Ilyich and Felix Edmundovich are still people of a slightly different sort than Konev or those who fell in the First World War.
    Lenin with the FED is the same hit as the TNF activists, so it’s not a sin to demolish them and forget them like a nightmare.
    It is not necessary to bring all the monuments to a common denominator - this is absurd. And the article is excellent, as usual.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 18: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Junger
      Very similar pictures, right?

      Pictures are similar, only the monuments are all different. And their meaning. Vladimir Ilyich and Felix Edmundovich are still people of a slightly different sort than Konev or those who fell in the First World War.
      Lenin with the FED is the same hit as the TNF activists, so it’s not a sin to demolish them and forget them like a nightmare.
      It is not necessary to bring all the monuments to a common denominator - this is absurd. And the article is excellent, as usual.

      Lenin? Forever Young fellow
      In fact, a great man.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 9 June 2020 22: 41 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        In fact, a great man.

        Who argues - the great one, of course ... Adolf Aloizych was not one of the last, either, but you don’t erect a monument to him in Israel, although he guarded the Jews no less than Vladimir Ilyich the Russians.
        Take these great ones to yourself, because, as the popular saying goes, "I am of course for the collective farm, but not in our village."
        Quote: Krasnodar
        I agree - under the flag of the Bolsheviks, our great-grandfathers showed with arms in their hands

        The fact of the matter is that your great-grandfathers with characteristic names and surnames took the property from my grandfathers-peasants and drove them to the collective farm. If you believe that forcibly weaning someone else’s property with murders is a positive thing, then again you can honor the memory of the ever-memorable Shikelgruber. He was a master laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2020 06: 42 New
          +1
          My great-grandfathers were healthy - to drive such a crowd to the collective farm ... lol Ilya Muromets is resting, Hercules nervously smokes on the sidelines))
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 10 June 2020 08: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            My great-grandfathers were healthy - to drive such a crowd to the collective farm.

            Coronovirus is also not a rhino, but the whole world has put cancer smile
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 June 2020 08: 21 New
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              I mean, they themselves were glad to have a richer and more dispossessing neighbor, hoping to cheat on the collective farm at someone’s expense
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 10 June 2020 10: 10 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                I mean, they themselves were glad to have a richer and more dispossessing neighbor, hoping to cheat on the collective farm at someone’s expense

                Any person, if you dig it up, is vicious. Someone needs to dig deeper, and someone smaller. Here are your great-grandfathers - as you yourself called them "under the red banner and arms in your hands" they dug human nature very deeply and released this depravity outwardly. And now tell the tales that they say that they themselves. It’s not my fault ... I myself, but with whose filing. Who legalized, who reasoned ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 10 June 2020 10: 25 New
                  +1
                  You are about:
                  1) The abdication of the king from the throne?
                  2) The February Revolution?
                  3) Usurpation of power by the Bolsheviks?
                  4) Collectivization? )))
                  In each case there are responsible
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 10 June 2020 12: 05 New
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                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    You about

                    Naturally. And much more.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    In each case there are responsible

                    And two, two, four smile And these responsible are the Bolsheviks. Before usurpation - one of many, but in a prominent place. After - already sole responsibility.
                    In general, I think it is necessary to carry out decommunization in society. By analogy with denazification, otherwise nothing will come of us. Loafers and infantiles will whine about happiness under Stalin and Lenin, dream of returning 120 rubles to the research institute, where you don't have to do nichrome and you can thump before and during work. People need to be informed that sitting on the state’s neck is a dishonest and criminal affair.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 12: 27 New
                      -2
                      laughing
                      We spoke about the national aspect of the issue.
                      1) Renunciation - Russians
                      2) February resolution - some role was played by Jews among the Bolsheviks and other parties
                      3) The Great October Socialist - certainly the prominent role of the Jews
                      4) Collectivization -
                      A signal for a radical change of policy with respect to the village was given in a speech by IV Stalin at the Communist Academy in December 1929, although no specific instructions were given for collectivization other than the call "to eliminate the kulaks as a class" [46]

                      Are Georgians really? lol
                      About the so-called Decommunization - I agree, but it is necessary to break the mentality of the population. You cannot build a beautifull social network, built by the West for its workers thanks to the fright from the Bolsheviks' coming to power in Russia. Until everyone arriving at a new place of work ceases to be interested in “WHERE HERE THERE IS A LEFT OPTIONS” no developed capitalism can be built.
                      1. Jünger
                        Jünger 10 June 2020 13: 17 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        We talked about the national aspect of the issue.

                        There were also enough Russian Judas, but at the forefront there will certainly be Marx, Bronstein, Kuhn, Evert, Sverdlov, etc.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) Renunciation - Russians

                        If we take in a broad sense, then the Russians were at that time an objectively titular nation and therefore were to blame for everything that was going on in their households. If there is no discipline in the house, then the husband is to blame.
                        But if you look realistically, then the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, etc. corrupted the society since the time of Tsar Gorokh and the liquidation of the traditional respect for the people in the tsar is a direct "merit", including the Shtokman and Apfelbaum.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Are Georgians really?

                        All this is one company, breaking into someone else's hut, and sitting on the owner’s head.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        A beautiful social room built by the West for its workers thanks to the fright from the Bolsheviks coming to power

                        Social in the West was before all the Bolsheviks and Ford and places in Germany. This is another fable from the series of "achievements of the Bolsheviks."
                        If the social sphere in the West is the merit of the Bolsheviks, then Hitler's achievement is the creation of the state of Israel.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 13: 46 New
                        +1
                        1) Marx and Engels wrote about the undesirability of building socialism precisely in Russia, for a number of reasons. As for the Jews who were at the head - and how, in the conditions of the Civil War, how did they manage to capture the minds of millions of Russian people? Is it a peace decree? what
                        2) And who of the Decembrists, demanding the abolition of autocracy, was a Jew lol ? Social Revolutionary? Bolshevik? The peak of the discrediting of the Russian monarchy was the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War and the left conduct of the WWII on the German Front, about the wide Jewish participation in the revolutionary parties, so Nicolas himself with the connivance of the pogroms and maintaining the Pale of Settlement deserved it: “It’s bad that they killed, it’s good that the Jews. " And then he closed his eyes to the pogroms of Russian Germans. And then they began to smash the hereditary aristocracy. Habit, s)).
                        3) Who broke into someone else's hut? Georgians, Latvians and the bulk of the Jews were annexed together with the territories conquered or adjoined to Russia)).
                        4) In Ford, the pumping of social programs began after the BOP, combined with anti-Semitic publications due to the significant presence of Jews among the Bolsheviks)). Bismarck - yes, there was state socialism - was influenced by Marx and the popularity of Karla Marla's ideas in Germany. After an attempt to create the Bavarian Soviet Republic, the processes of improving the social sphere continued, stumbling over economic problems. After the war, Germany tried to keep up with its eastern neighbor - the GDR. As for Israel, the merit of the Rothschilds and the Romanovs. The first gave money, the second provided staff.
                      3. Jünger
                        Jünger 10 June 2020 16: 09 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Marx and Engels wrote

                        It does not matter what they wrote. It is important that they did not like the Russians and their ideas were firmly seized by the Bronstein with the Zederbaums.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        how, in the conditions of the Civil War, how could they seize the minds of millions of Russian people?

                        These talented people (Jews) by that time had been the chief editors and journalists of various large and small European newspapers for more than a decade, and they cleverly learned to lie, distort, and hang noodles on their ears. In addition, their target contingent rarely had more than three classes of central vocational schools, and therefore it was easy to explain to the peasant that there was no God, since the Bible says that light first appeared, and only then the sun.
                        Godless populism and extreme forms of violence - that’s the whole recipe.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And who of the Decembrists, demanding the abolition of autocracy, was a Jew

                        None. I am talking about the latest time, when the Jewish media began to brainwash Europeans. And in the days of the Decembrists, Jews were considered an interference with people. So it’s not about the Jews.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        so Nicolas condoning pogroms and preserving the Pale of Settlement himself deserved it

                        Nicholas was the king of medium abilities - no worse than Alexei Mikhailovich and better than Ann and Elizabeth. Therefore, the problems are not in him, but in a society that has forgotten its obligations and decided that it has some rights. Pogroms and defeats in Russia were always and "society" did not care. Because "society" knew its place.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Georgians, Latvians and the bulk of Jews were annexed along with territories conquered or adjoined to Russia

                        And they were struck by rights with rare exceptions. And they were ruled by Russian and German governors and governors. Therefore, in the common house, their place was in the hallway. And the Jews - close to the doorstep.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        As for Israel, the merit of the Rothschilds and the Romanovs. The first gave money, the second provided staff.

                        There is only one reason for the appearance of Israel - this is the Holocaust. The desire of the United Nations to compensate for the suffering of the Jewish people appeared only thanks to the policy of the Third Reich. Therefore, you would put a monument to Adolf in bronze in Zion. smile
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 17: 18 New
                        +1
                        1) lol Bronstein did not like Russians due to the fact that he had read Engels - this is something new)).
                        2) Who allowed a Jew to take the place of the chief editor of a newspaper in tsarist Russia - well, if she is not in Yiddish and not within the Pale of Settlement? laughing And yes - people with three classes of education read newspapers, and Jews wrote that Gd is not ... cheer me up, thanks hi
                        3) Here I am talking about the same thing - that the tsar was no longer respected at all because of the Jews, in the year 1825. An example of modern Jewish media is possible? Except for Reuters? wink
                        4) 1917 showed that the "society" did not like his place and the owners of life were forced to leave to tax in Paris
                        5) That's right - therefore, when conquering territories, it’s worth understanding how people should be treated, otherwise a taxi taxi in Paris)).
                        6) laughing The reason for the emergence of Israel is one - political Zionism, which arose more than 50 years before Hitler came to power. In 1933, the territory of present-day Israel already had a Jewish community with its own economy, self-defense, and numerous settlements - including cities. Thanks to Hitler, Israel received good medicine, including one of the most effective oncology treatment systems in the world, and the United States has a nuclear bomb. )))
                        Germany got a 20-year stagnation in medicine and was left without nuclear weapons
                      5. Jünger
                        Jünger 10 June 2020 18: 03 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Bronstein did not like Russians due to the fact that he had read Engels - this is something new)).

                        I don’t know what he loved. I know that he has absorbed the delusional and evil ideas of his relative and this is enough.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        At who allowed a Jew to take the place of the chief editor of a newspaper in tsarist Russia - well, if she is not in Yiddish and not within the Pale of Settlement?

                        I had in mind Europe as well. Trotsky himself was a talented journalist and published in Europe. I think that in Russia your brother in print was in bulk after the Manifesto. Have you read Mine Kampf? This is where the dominance of the Jews in the press is described, which easily fell into Russia.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And yes - people with three classes of education read newspapers

                        You are lying around a fool, it seems to me. I meant that these people knew how to handle a word and fool a peasant, they didn’t cost anything - even with a leaflet, even at a rally.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Here I am talking about the same thing - that the tsar was no longer respected at all because of the Jews, in the year 1825

                        No, the Decembrists are a small bunch of scumbags. The soldiers who followed them had nothing against the king. They were fooled by the commanders.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        An example of modern Jewish media is possible?

                        But wherever you stick you will get to Solovyov, Weller, Schmeler, Schuster, Svanidze, Zhirinovsky, Gozman, Echo of Moscow, Borovik, Gordon, etc., which tell the Russian people how to live and where to go. About Reuters not in the know.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The year 1917 showed that the "society" did not like its place and the owners of life were forced to leave to tax in Paris

                        And Sarah and Moses from Zhmerynka, who were to take out and put them on historical Russia and Russians, stopped in place of the half-masters of life. Great replacement.
                        Then Sarah and Moses created an army that did not know how to fight, both in the Civil and in the Great Patriotic War, and scrambled to the Caucasus with the loss of 30 million of its population and a government that could not control and people died like flies.
                        But they did an experiment - you’ll rock it!
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In 1933, the territory of present-day Israel already had a Jewish community with its own economy, self-defense, and numerous settlements - including cities.

                        Jews in Israel lived under Tsar Gorokh, but no one would have thought of giving them statehood if it weren’t for the large Jewish lobby in the USA and Europe, based on the tragedy of the Holocaust.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 19: 12 New
                        +2
                        1) Why are Marx's crazy ideas? They formed the basis of a beautiful social network of industrialized countries. )) And about the dislike of Russian you wrote
                        2) Mein Kampf read - designed for the slop layers of German society lol The central theme - the international community of Jewish communists threatens us with degeneration, the grandmothers of Jewish capitalists - enslavement. As for Trotsky - and how could European newspapers stupefy ordinary Russian guys with three classes of education? )))
                        3) Well, of course - fooled. And deserting tens of thousands of soldiers in 1814 were simply duped. European standard of living. They did not understand that serfdom was a blessing!
                        4) Yes, do not listen to them - let them go to your Israel, 8 Russian minimum wages to earn money!
                        5) And the fools naively listened to them at rallies, not understanding the happiness of their lives under Nicolas))
                        6) Remind you of the successes of the tsarist army in the confrontation with the Germans in WWI? )) And this is in the presence of the Western Front. Your forecast is what would happen to the Russian army if it turned out to be one-on-one with the Kaiser, even without the Turkish front? wink And yes, what’s there with educational program, industrialization, nuclear weapons, etc.?
                        7) laughing The numerous Jewish lobby in Europe after the Holocaust is cool. In the States, it was formed in the 1970s, and received statehood as part of an anti-colonial anti-British policy - like India and Pakistan with Bangladesh))
                      7. Jünger
                        Jünger 10 June 2020 21: 22 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Why are Marx's crazy ideas?

                        Because they formed the basis of the mountain of tens of millions of corpses. This is not justified by the "beautiful social network." And in general there is nothing to justify.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And deserting tens of thousands of soldiers in 1814 were simply duped.

                        I have no idea if they were duped. They wanted to desert and deserted. In any society, it is full of friends, opportunists and cowards. What am I going to bring an ideological base for every school of a village drunk?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Remind you of the successes of the tsarist army in the confrontation with the Germans in WWI?

                        They are wonderful. With the Turkish front, industry lagging, and a deficit of weapons, no one surrendered in the millions, didn’t dart to the walls of Moscow, and didn’t fall into grandiose “cauldrons”. This is despite the fact that in 15 the Germans made the main effort on the Russian front. And the presence of the Western Front is only a plus to the brains of the tsarist government, which was not stupid in this regard, like Dzhugashvili.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Your forecast is what would happen to the Russian army if it turned out to be one-on-one with the Kaiser, even without the Turkish front?

                        And what can be the forecast except the most favorable? Since the time of the Time of Troubles, the Russian army did not squint and came out of all wars more or less, as it should be. Even in the Crimean and Japanese, our losses were less than the losses of the enemy.
                        Nikolai needed only to outweigh the whole scum in the rear in a timely manner and all tip-top would be. But then, of course, you would not see a beautiful social network. )) I would have to stitch the boots in Berdichev))
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Numerous Jewish lobbies in Europe after the Holocaust - that's cool

                        And what Kaganovich with Mehlis is not Europe? And the lobby is decent. How many of these lobbyists spun in the Kremlin - Mama Do not Cry. After all, Dzhugashvili did not strangle everyone.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 21: 58 New
                        +1
                        1) Tens of millions of corpses - Marx warned not to do this in Russia hi
                        2) Maybe they compared the hard life of a Western European peasant and artisan with happy serfdom? )))
                        3) laughing If it weren’t for the Western Front, the losses of the Russian empire would have been much greater than Poland, the Baltic states and half of Belarus occupied by the Germans, they just got stuck in France, unlike in 1940, the blitzkrieg didn’t work out - from there the absence of old soldiers in St. Petersburg and under Moscow))
                        4) Nikolai had to shoot himself - and not enter the country in WWI. Pts reliable forecast - judging by the territorial losses that the Russian Empire suffered in the presence of the Western Front, on which the Germans suffered the bulk of losses
                        By the way, if they switched to personalities, a beautiful social network was very bad for me - I paid about 57% of taxes in Israel laughing
                        I’m not a social user, but my great-grandfather - yes, I sharpened my boots in Alexandrov, present-day Zaporozhye)).
                        5) lol Yes, and Ukraine CE Europe))
                        Stalin himself lobbied at the UN for the creation of Israel as an anti-British and anti-colonial step - the Holocaust has nothing to do with it
                      9. Jünger
                        Jünger 10 June 2020 22: 13 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Marx warned not to do this in Russia

                        Yes, as far as I remember, he did not warn that it was not necessary, he wrote that Russia was not suitable for this - capitalism is in its infancy, the proletariat is not developed, chauvinism and xenophobia. Gloom and burning around. But to see other Jews did not believe it laughing
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) Maybe they compared the hard life of a Western European peasant and artisan with happy serfdom? )))

                        My grandfather was in captivity in World War I, he worked for the Bauer. He lived happily ever after and could stay forever. But, when they signed the peace, he voluntarily returned to his native village to manure. It's not a comparison, but a person. Someone loves the motherland, and someone tries to keep his ass warm. Such and desert.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and great-grandfather - yes, he sharpened his boots in Alexandrov, present-day Zaporozhye)).

                        I guessed it. And the other probably played the violin. laughing
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 22: 20 New
                        +1
                        1) The main thing is that the Russian people did not believe lol But the Bronstein counted on a world revolution.
                        2) Someone makes their homeland a warm place, and someone steals, indignant that some managed to steal more, but the Jews are to blame for everything wink
                        3) No, the other was a logger in Romania laughing
                      11. gsev
                        gsev 13 June 2020 15: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: Junger
                        Gloom and burning around. But to see other Jews did not believe it

                        Apparently Marx was wrong. For example, Mao did not believe the recommendations of Stalin and Soviet military advisers. The ideas of Marx creatively realized by the Chinese and Vietnamese allowed them to build good, viable states. Trials with coronavirus Vietnam, China, North Korea are better than Israel, Russia and the United States.
                  2. gsev
                    gsev 13 June 2020 15: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Junger
                    They are wonderful. In the presence of the Turkish front, industry lag, and arms shortages, no one gave up in the millions

                    Russia alone could not wage an offensive war against Germany in World War I. There was no heavy artillery. Due to the long service life, the imperial army could conduct successful operations only in maneuver warfare with the presence of talented commanders. But there was nothing to break through the prepared defense. The encryption business was set up very poorly due to the backwardness of Russian physical and mathematical science and the lack of talented intelligentsia in the headquarters. Where war required the availability of modern technology, the situation in Russia was deplorable. In Tsushima, the Japanese destroyed the entire 1 Far Eastern fleet. The casualties of the Japanese in that battle did not exceed the losses of the Russians on any large ship of the tsarist fleet participating in the Tsushima battle. Optical sights on the ships of the 2nd Far Eastern Fleet were set just before the campaign to Tsushima. For war and combat training guns had 2 ammunition. The Japanese spent about 1 rounds of ammunition on the preparation of their fleet and changed the shot cannon trunks after the exercises. Armadillos appeared in the Crimean War in France, who defeated almost all Russian fortresses on the Black Sea with impunity. And Russian military thought, which fled to France after 5, believed that Stalin in the 1920s would inevitably have to surrender the entire Far East to the United States or Japan in order to protect Russia from the inevitable intervention of these highly developed countries. The creation of modern aviation and tank building in Russia in the 1930s by former staffers of Wrangel, Kolchak and Denikin was then considered a searchlight.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 9 June 2020 19: 08 New
    +5
    All the kings and emperors of the worlds are not worth the hundredth share of Lenin bringing liberation to the peoples
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 9 June 2020 19: 22 New
      +5
      I agree - under the flag of the Bolsheviks, with arms in hand, our great-grandfathers showed the hereditary aristocracy that it was necessary to behave humanly with people
  • saygon66
    saygon66 9 June 2020 18: 40 New
    +1
    - What happened - it happened ... and History may not have a reverse course. And now, when the negative consequences of the decisions made are clearly visible, the question arises: Why did not any of the governments of the metropolitan countries take action to rectify the situation?
    - Migration from the former colonies was not limited in any way, practically no measures were taken to assimilate migrants, there were almost no attempts to achieve, if not military and administrative, then at least economic control over the former colonies, not to mention attempts to regain the lost territories ... They became so burdensome for the metropolis, were they never needed, or is decolonization the natural course of society?
    - For what reasons did the decline in colonial expansion take place - for economic, political, or following the personal ambitions of the leaders of that time?
    - If the latter - then this whole liberation struggle is nothing but a meaningless bloody show designed to cover up the redistribution of spheres of influence ...
    - The decolonization process contains more questions than answers ... well, human tragedies, of course ...
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 June 2020 19: 11 New
      +1
      Because people developed empires with colonies left in the past. Decolonization is the natural process of the development of civilization
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 9 June 2020 20: 43 New
      +2
      “for what reasons the decline in colonial expansion occurs” I think - the law of progress. The slave system became a brake on progress and dared to progress
      Likewise, the Socialist Idea will sweep away capitalism.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 9 June 2020 20: 50 New
        -1
        - Perhaps ... But, if this law unequivocally led to the elimination of the colonies in a natural way, all “fighters for all freedoms” can be safely counted as murderers ...
        - Directly sweep ... Not in my life - for sure ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 9 June 2020 19: 41 New
    +1
    "but I will also call in the Hero of the Soviet Union" N. S. Khrushchev and the Nazis "made" Heroes of the Soviet Union - Nasser until his death was a fan of Hitler. And most likely N. S. knew this, but at that moment Nasser growled menacingly at Israel and imperialism. N. From this it was enough that there was nothing to be done
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 9 June 2020 20: 09 New
      +1
      My grandmother told me that Nasser had a portrait of Hitler.
      1. Liam
        Liam 9 June 2020 20: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Astra wild
        My grandmother told me that Nasser had a portrait of Hitler.

        Was Grandma in Nasser's office?
  • vladcub
    vladcub 9 June 2020 19: 49 New
    +1
    "only 2 officers: Captain Jean Jerome Koggenek and Lieutenant Rabah Keliff" Valery, did you talk about Lieutenant Keliff, but did you forget about Captain Krogenek?
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 10 June 2020 11: 27 New
      +1
      Captain Crogenenc (capitaine Croguennec) released more than 400 people from the central commissariat (police) and hid them at his base at Jules-Ferry School.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 9 June 2020 20: 07 New
    +3
    "if someone is killed this is a matter of the new government," and the new authorities regarded it as freedom of action. His ancestors - the knights, too, were these or more decent?
    Colleagues, whatever you want, but kind of to say the least, MERZSKO. In fact, he allowed to kill his citizens
    1. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 9 June 2020 20: 52 New
      +1
      "His ancestors - the knights, too, were these or more decent?"

      A bullseye from an apple tree does not roll far.
      And what kind of nobility of Charles, one can say if, 18 years before the Oran massacre, this general did not even try to prevent the vile events in central Italy, when the French military units, with the permission of their commanders, collectively raped women and children. From such a spot, no matter how much a tambourine about the greatness of France, is no longer washed.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 9 June 2020 20: 35 New
    0
    Algeria, which exported food under the French, now provided itself with food only 30%.

    But does this not mean that Algeria fed foreign states in the same way that RI exported grain before the revolution, despite the famine? But the fact that after gaining independence Algeria did not become self-sufficient and did not enter any block is its difficulties. And in general, they found the standard of the state - Yugoslavia. The place is occupied, there can no longer be a second Yugoslavia. Moreover, she finished very badly.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 9 June 2020 20: 45 New
      +2
      - And which of the newly independent colonies have become self-sufficient and have taken their rightful place in the global economy. culture and politics? With a stretch: India, Singapore ... and all, perhaps ...
      - The national elites have been able to organize nothing but trade in resources ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 9 June 2020 21: 04 New
        0
        Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea (it was under Japan), and China forgot for some reason. Pakistan, again. And India is hardly self-sufficient, there are more problems inside than enough.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 9 June 2020 21: 10 New
          +1
          - Cuba? Excuse me, what is Cuba now? What is serious about the Cuban industry — the export of cane sugar? A potential resort for the States, as it was before the Fidel Revolution ... Vietnam ... Vietnam could not become the dominant state in the region, and will not, as long as there is China ... which is also traditional ...
          - Without the help of the Union, these states would inevitably return to the former state of the colonies ...
          - Pakistan is a cesspool, a nest of Wahhabism, and, again - what is the significance of Pakistan?
          - Only one thing - human resources ... This is where the former colonies really succeed ...
          - The situation in India - only confirms the failure of national sovereignty
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 9 June 2020 21: 16 New
            +1
            The destiny of small states is to be in a bloc with large ones. Law of nature. Only a very large state can be independent.
            What is serious about Cuban industry?

            Is industry the main thing for you? And what serious is the United States doing now? How is Detroit doing a lot of cars?
            The main mistake of the Algerians is that they decided to become the second Yugoslavia, so to speak, to pursue a multi-vector policy, as they used to say in Shumeria until recently.
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 9 June 2020 21: 21 New
              0
              - I agree! Let's put the question differently: What significant (in any industry) were the liberated nations able to give out to the world? Cuba, Algeria, Morocco, Libya, etc. Chur, individual brilliant individuals who have left a mark in science, do not take into account!
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 9 June 2020 21: 35 New
                +2
                Let's.
                Cuba gave the organization of medicine, and its start was practically from scratch.
                Algeria did not give anything, because it wanted to become a second Yugoslavia, that is, to be friends with everyone at once.
                Morocco, in addition to oranges, did not give anything.
                Libya gave an example of a social state (approximately, like the Emirates in the best years when communism was built there for the locals - though, undeservedly, snickering afterwards). In 1986, friends carried out air defense maintenance in Libya, and they talked about this. There, the migrant workers were then full of the same Yugoslavs, Italians and other whites. Not a single local Arab in dirty work.
                But in general, the state should take care first of all of its citizens. If it is in the world leaders, then it is easier to do.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 9 June 2020 21: 38 New
                  0
                  - I completely agree with the last paragraph!
                  - I have heard about the achievements of Cuban medicine since the 80s ... but has Cuba become a global health center? Alas...
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 9 June 2020 21: 43 New
                    +1
                    And they need it - a "global health resort"? It’s good that they didn’t have their own Khrushchev Kukuruzny, he would start a “world health resort” at the expense of everything. What they can, they do it. When I was there, I saw many abandoned sugarcane fields - the result of the destruction of the USSR. But they survived, nevertheless, and did not turn into Haiti, and this is nearby. I have a very good impression of people, optimists, no matter what.
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 9 June 2020 21: 48 New
                      0
                      - Yes, and with the local health resort it didn’t work out ...
                      - Our medical doctor (who had previously served somewhere in Africa) warned that if someone stupidly hooks something exotic on a business trip, let him not hope for a cure.
                      - The only serious clinic for such sores was just in Cuba ... And as you know - "Cuba is far ..."
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 9 June 2020 21: 57 New
                        +1
                        In the 90s, I encountered such a case - a pilot from LII on vacation earned money on various transportations in Africa, naturally, without vaccinations. Something bit him there. And then it turned out that this was serious, as a result he took and died, nothing could be done with us. And with the local health resort there everything is in order, the Chernobyl people are still being accepted. And they go there a little because they are afraid of sanctions. Although they do not put visas on a foreign passport, they give a coupon, everyone notes in it - as we had on the border with Sumeria until 2014. And teams of their doctors around the world are sending out.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 10 June 2020 14: 56 New
          0
          I would replace the DPRK with South Korea, the economic potential is not comparable
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 10 June 2020 20: 40 New
            0
            Yes, the South Koreans in terms of industry and trade fit well into the international market. But this is due to the fact that they unconditionally came under the protection of the United States. And the northern ones rely on their own strength (the Juche principle). And they didn’t do it from a good life - they didn’t want to go under America, not for that they fought against it for 3 years. The entire north of the Korean peninsula is mountainous, so they have strained with sown areas.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 9 June 2020 20: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Junger
    Very similar pictures, right?

    Pictures are similar, only the monuments are all different. And their meaning. Vladimir Ilyich and Felix Edmundovich are still people of a slightly different sort than Konev or those who fell in the First World War.
    Lenin with the FED is the same hit as the TNF activists, so it’s not a sin to demolish them and forget them like a nightmare.
    It is not necessary to bring all the monuments to a common denominator - this is absurd. And the article is excellent, as usual.

    IT IS NECESSARY TO REMEMBER, WITHOUT MEMORY OF THE PAST, THERE IS NO FUTURE (I don’t know who said it, but we’ll calculate that it’s me). Here you condemn TNF, and with your logic are close to TNF
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 10 June 2020 10: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: Astra wild
      NEED TO REMEMBER, WITHOUT MEMORY OF THE PAST, THERE IS NO FUTURE

      There is a past to be forgotten. No - it is necessary to remember, but only in order not to fall again. If, for example, in the past you were an alcoholic or were in prison for something, then if you are a normal person and want to live a normal life, it is unlikely that you will be rubbing left and right about your past "exploits." It’s clear that in prison you understood life, tempered, met authoritative people laughing But it’s better to keep quiet about it.
      The same is true with the Soviet period in the history of Russia. No, Gagarin certainly flew, but it would be better if he sat on the stove and raised five kids' heels, and 30-40 million Russians would be alive and now we did not need to import Tajiks.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 10 June 2020 10: 44 New
        -3
        The USSR is better what happened to Russia
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 10 June 2020 12: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: Kronos
          The USSR is better what happened to Russia

          Well, if you are a national, whose owls. if the power was taken from a distant village or the Pale of Settlement, it is difficult to argue with you.
          Although 6 million abortions annually, in my opinion, still allow this to be done.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 10 June 2020 12: 47 New
            -2
            No, I'm a Russian Communist, and not a nationalist for hard labor. It would be better if Gagarin weren’t. Moreover, abortion is just not clear at all, they have always been done, and everywhere it’s the right of women.
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 10 June 2020 13: 29 New
              -4
              Quote: Kronos
              No, I'm a Russian communist

              Was Vladimir Ilyich also a Russian communist?
              Quote: Kronos
              And here abortion is just not clear, they always did and everywhere

              Always and everywhere robbed, killed, fornication, but the Bolsheviks legalized it and brought to the state. level. Therefore, this is their achievement.
              Quote: Kronos
              this is the right of women

              Well, yes, you can continue - the right of everyone to take drugs, abandon elderly parents and children, do euthanasia, enter into same-sex marriage or marry goats laughing
              Go to the victory of communism! In the West they are already going there, and comrade Lenin showed the path with rights.
  • bird
    bird 9 June 2020 21: 27 New
    +8
    He lived in Algeria from 1975 to 1978. little kid (Bumerdes hello). I remember one rule for my whole life - the Arabs surrounded - the first to hit, it really helped, they have a specific mentality, if you miss a moment they will trample. but the power is well understood.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 00: 07 New
      +2
      What different people on the forum meet!
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 9 June 2020 21: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Even now, I am interested in real values ​​more than rarities)). Vodka is gone, but women and dollars - yes laughing

    And how your wife looks at it, I mean interest in other women.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 June 2020 00: 11 New
      +1
      I think, like any normal woman: if my man shows interest in other women, but lives with me, then I'm the best !!!
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 10 June 2020 15: 49 New
        +1
        Well said. Does your wife think so too?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 10 June 2020 17: 25 New
          +1
          I'm currently divorced.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 9 June 2020 22: 42 New
    +3
    From the author's articles it is clear that initially France wanted to make Algeria a kind of "African France." She invested money in this project, as far as she could smooth out sharp corners, to the best of her ability, she arranged this land on which a sufficient number of French were born, who considered Algeria their homeland.
    That is, France acted for Algeria as some kind of “progressor” - trying to pull the local population to the European level. Yes, to the classic Strugatsky progressors to the French like, excuse me, cancer to the moon, but the basic message was just that.
    But there is one catch - the local population "can’t get it!" They did not want these European values, they did not need them, they did not understand them and did not accept them. They realized material benefits, yes, but, as they say now, the "cultural code" was completely alien to them.
    And now let's look at the so-called Commonwealth of Nations (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country of Nations). Composition - former colonies of Great Britain. The head is the Queen of Great Britain. But sorry, when we talk about cruel colonialists, the first thing that comes to mind is the British. Those who came to new lands, set up their own administration, hung out “I can’t” by the locals, and dragged everything from the colonies that they could reach. Dragged to the metropolis. Not in the colony, but "before sebe," in London.
    And what happens? The British, such all of themselves colonialists and exploiters, even after leaving the colonies, still managed to maintain a certain power over them. How so? Why?
    Personally, I think that the reason for such "love" of the former colonies for the mother country is hidden in their elites. That is, the British worked, first and foremost, with the elites of their colonies. Not with conditional “people”, but with very specific people and / or clans. They opened access to their educational institutions for children of elite "savages", established horizontal and vertical connections, became financially interested, and made it possible to move to the metropolis for permanent residence. And it so happened that the elite of the same India, to a certain extent, is much more connected with the former metropolis than with its own people, which, as it lived in the paradigm of a clan society, remains in it to this day.
    According to anyone, “Freedom, equality, fraternity” is a bad slogan, if you come to a foreign land populated by a completely culturally alien people, and even try to re-educate them for yourself, other principles and other approaches are needed here.
    And the worst case scenario is to invest, take root, and then be expelled from the land, which you already consider yourselves, a local nationalist cattle with the complete connivance of the metropolis.
    So it was with the French in Algeria, so it was with the Russians in the former republics of the USSR.
    And here a simple question arises - maybe it was not necessary to throw beads in front of the pork snout, huh?
    I think so.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 9 June 2020 23: 23 New
      +1
      - And not only India ... The same Syria, back in the 90s, was tightly connected with the former metropolis - France ...
      - Children from wealthy families studied in France, who are more victorious - in the Union.
      - French was present in everyday life. It is amazing that France takes such a small part in solving the Syrian problems ...
  • Jünger
    Jünger 9 June 2020 22: 49 New
    -1
    De Gaulle, of course, can also be understood, there was a truth behind him - he correctly sensed that Algeria would eventually swallow France. But if Algeria was separated, it was necessary to tightly block the Arabs to France. And this De Gaulle did not. Although it is doubtful whether this can be done at all, in principle.
    So he threw off the ballast for a while, but he soon returned.
    1. WayKheThuo
      WayKheThuo 9 June 2020 23: 41 New
      +3
      I don’t remember who, but a very ancient Greek once said: "Anyone who escapes from the battlefield will definitely get another battle." I can not vouch for the accuracy of the statement, but the meaning is simple - if you don’t run from fate, its pillars are waiting for you.
      France will pay: for abandoned and tortured "black-footed", for faithful Europeanized Arabs, for principles trampled into the bloody sand.
      There is such a thing - global world processes. De Gaulle did not see them, but the Anglo-Saxons - they see. By the way, we are not very good at seeing, but the principle is simple - the world will be mixed up and we need to entice and impregnate with our culture the most prominent representatives of other peoples and races. One must be able to be hard on the outside and soft on the inside. We must have our own point of view on the social structure and be able to defend our vision with weapons in our hands anywhere in the world and at any time.
      In fact, only the United States is doing this now - as a huge funnel sucking in the most talented, savvy, and enterprising. Moreover, if necessary, they will “bang” any target at any distance, and will not ask anyone.
      By the way, this used to be Great Britain - an empire over which the sun never set.
      Such will never become China - culture does not allow.
      And we will never become such, for we don’t really want to.
      1. unknown
        unknown 12 June 2020 06: 10 New
        0
        The point is not that De Gaulle did not see global global processes.
        Interestingly, the consideration of this issue from the point of view of astrology.
        Yes, yes, astrology.
        There are several dozen personality theories.
        And they are all WORKERS.
        Each theory isolates something of its own.
        Astrology allows you to get around the main question, the question of motivation.
        De Gaulle was born in the year of the Tiger.
        The age of the tiger is the last for humans.
        It begins with 85 years, and to the stop.
        Tiger is a very strong year.
        But, best of all, the Tigers manage to destroy.
        It is necessary to kill something big, important, boldly entrust it to the Tiger.
        In addition, the sign of France is the Goat.
        Any astrologer will say that people born this year are strongly discouraged from engaging in politics, commerce, or military affairs.
        It is not surprising that France, as a state, has always been a sausage.
        As well as Poland, and independent Ukraine.
        Insensitive.
        In addition, the Tigers are the owners of the Goats.
        The merry combination of the president and the state turned out.
        The bad owner of De Gaulle turned out.
        Yes, and the servant is the same.
        The result is logical.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 10 June 2020 15: 56 New
      0
      "well-intentioned road paved to hell"
  • VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 10 June 2020 10: 47 New
    +1
    Many thanks to the author. Really little-known theme in our area. Exciting and informative.

    After reading two materials about Algeria-France and one about Egypt-Israel (the other author), the question arose - how did the USSR participate in the events of Algeria?
    The author mentions the help of Egypt, but at that time Egypt seemed to be "sitting tight on the suction" of the USSR, and would hardly have done anything serious without the approval (albeit silent) of the "big brother".
    Where did the Algerian "separatists" get so many resources that they could "pick up" the French? It is clear that one of the key factors of the table is the interest of certain groups in the power of France, but only one.
    They simply did not extinguish the "fire" (they did not allow other groups to extinguish), but did someone fan it and add gasoline?

    By no means do I ask for indictments ("komunyaki are to blame for everything!"), Just information.
    This is politics, big, it has always been like that, condemning or approving is a private matter.

    The author, of course, is biased, but it cannot be otherwise, and even less biased than others.
  • Operator
    Operator 10 June 2020 10: 49 New
    -3
    Quote: Krasnodar
    You are about:
    1) The abdication of the king from the throne?
    2) The February Revolution?
    3) Usurpation of power by the Bolsheviks?
    4) Collectivization? )))
    In each case there are responsible

    Are the Jews really? ... "Under the flag of the Bolsheviks, with arms in hand, our [Jewish] great-grandfathers showed the hereditary aristocracy that people should be behaved humanly," - Krasnodar (C) laughing
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 13: 53 New
      0
      And your Russian great-grandfathers rushed to defend the tsar, the Fatherland and the faith? lol
      1. Operator
        Operator 10 June 2020 15: 26 New
        -5
        From the Jews - by all means.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 June 2020 16: 05 New
          +3
          And the Jews took their number? laughing
          1. Operator
            Operator 10 June 2020 18: 59 New
            -1
            Ultimately, the vast majority of Jews whistled out of Russia - not bad for a start bully
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 June 2020 19: 18 New
              +3
              Yes, year 91 laughing But come back little by little wink
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 June 2020 19: 28 New
                0
                Statistics show a continuing decline in the number of Jews in the population of the Russian Federation - just as in the rest of Europe.

                Xenophobic Jews return to Asia to their West Semitic roots, however.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 10 June 2020 19: 33 New
                  +1
                  That's right - but some come back laughing
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 10 June 2020 19: 34 New
                    +1
                    Some do not count laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 19: 40 New
                      +2
                      It’s also true - capitalists do not have a nationality lol
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 19: 49 New
                        -2
                        Join the ranks of tolerant Hasidim - and you will succeed laughing
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 19: 54 New
                        +1
                        lol
                        Is everything lope?
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 20: 02 New
                        0
                        "All" - are you what?
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 22 New
                        +1
                        To the fact that everything will turn out))
                      5. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 20: 31 New
                        0
                        I also believe in Hasidim - Europeans by origin laughing
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 41 New
                        +1
                        I don’t believe in them laughing
                      7. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 20: 47 New
                        0
                        Let me guess: in Jews (immigrants from Africa) you do not believe in Hasidim (immigrants from Europe) - bah, but you, my friend, an atheist by religion laughing
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 20: 55 New
                        +1
                        This is another pearl lol
                        Hasidim are not Jews?
                        Africa has nothing to do with it - the south of Iraq, if we are to dig a story .. but I believe in B-na .. and what does the Hasidim have to do with it, again? ))))
                      9. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 22: 03 New
                        0
                        Teach materiel:
                        - Jewish monotheists came out of Egypt (which is in Africa);
                        - Hasidim fundamentally differ from the Jews in the preaching of their religious teachings among people of other ethnic groups and religions (ignoring the Jewish postulate of the God-chosen Jews);
                        - The south of Mesopotamia, populated by Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula, is just the birthplace of the pagan Abraham, the ancestor of 30% of modern Jews (Habiru before migration to Egypt).
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 22: 10 New
                        +2
                        laughing
                        1) There is no archaeological evidence of a long and massive stay of Jews in Egypt - the South of Iraq, from there came Jewish tribes
                        2) That you sho fellow Hasidim do not recognize the Torah - a good joke, cast a spell. As with the preaching of Judaism among the peoples of the world - you do not confuse them with the Pharisees?
                        3) And the other 70% of the type of Egyptians? See point 1
                      11. Operator
                        Operator 10 June 2020 23: 44 New
                        0
                        And what does the duration of the pagan tribe habiru stay in Egypt, the main thing - that there the tribe was headed by Moses from the tribe of Levi, who managed to learn the basics of monotheism on the example of the religion of the pharaoh Akhenaten. After leaving Egypt, Moses renamed his fellow tribesmen into hebrew and forcibly changed paganism to monotheism.

                        Hasidim did not spit on the main tenet of the Torah - "God's chosen people," therefore Hasidism, like Christianity, is a humanistic religion, and Judaism is xenophobic.

                        The structure of the Jewish ethnos - 30% southern Semites (J1, descendants of Abraham), 25% - northern Semites (J2, Iranian highlands), 25% - Hamites (E1, Egypt), 12% - Asian Erbins (R1b), 8% - Black Sea aria (R1a). The latter are almost all concentrated in the tribe of Levi, professional clergymen from where Moses came from.
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 23: 52 New
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                        Yes, we did not go into slavery, but managed to become monotheists - a mixture of the Pentateuch and alternative history))
                        About Hasidim - what nonsense? laughing The God's chosenness is the basis of their faith. Judaism has not been proselytizing for the past 2000 years, but anyone can become a Jew by accepting a giyur - and the Hasidim do not recognize a lightweight giyur - only ultra-Orthodox))
                        I don’t know about the structure of the Jewish ethnos (which does not exist). We are a bunch of completely different nations professing Judaism
                      13. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 00: 03 New
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                        You should consult with the Hasidim if you do not believe me.

                        Ethnicity is characterized exclusively by language and culture and, in some cases, religion. For example, the Türks, who differ from the Jews in language and culture, are sectarians - Karaites.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 00: 12 New
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                        I talked with Hasidim - Breclavian, Belz and Lubavitcher))
                        Karaites - their rabbis consider lost Jews, the descendants (religious) of those same scribes have the right to repatriation to Israel.
                        Ethiopian Jews - do not speak Hebrew, instead of rabbis - cases, are considered Jews, that is, Jews.
                        Once again - if 1000 Chinese take the ultra-Orthodox giyur - they will be considered Jews.
                      15. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 00: 23 New
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                        I’m not talking about hypothetical Chinese people, but about the actual structure of the Jewish population of today's Israel - it was her open data that Klesov examined and received an honorary award from one of the Jewish public organizations.
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 00: 33 New
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                        The actual structure of modern Israel is a complicated thing:
                        North Africa - a mix. Descendants of Sephardic Jews, Jews who lived there even under Carthage, local tribes (Berbers) who converted to Judaism and even Jews of Eastern Europe who got there at the end of the 19th century;
                        Eastern Europe is a mixture of descendants of Western European peoples who converted to Judaism with Jews who lived there from the times of the Trojan Wall, with Greek and Italian Jews who moved there because of trade + the legacy of wear and tear during the pogroms + the Turkic-speaking peoples of Asia Minor who converted to Judaism.
                        Western Europe - Italian Jews + a cross between Germans + Sephardic Jews
                        India - local tribes who converted to Judaism + Sephardic Jews + Bukhara and even Babylonian Jews + Kuchin + Tibetan - in short ....
                        Only two types of Jews found common genes - Ashkenazi and Yemeni.
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                        Operator 11 June 2020 02: 05 New
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                        But never mind - the vast majority of Israeli Jews have the same Middle Eastern subclades of the haplogroups J1, J2 and E1, the Black Sea R1a and Asian R1b (and not the European subclades E3, R1a and R1b).

                        The South Aryan subclade J1 is found only in Yemeni and Ethiopian Jews.
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 08: 27 New
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                        I read the results of another study, although I was never deeply interested in the topic. hi And then, everything in the context of hereditary genetic diseases or the presence of certain genetic mutations. In Kurdish and Iraqi Jews, Jews are identical with Kurds and Iraqis, respectively, in Ashkenazi they are different from Europeans.
                      19. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 12: 19 New
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                        Genealogy (male relationship) is determined solely on the basis of the analysis of the informational part of the Y chromosome, and not by studying the so-called genes - the corresponding non-informational parts of all chromosomes responsible for appearance, hereditary diseases or immunity.

                        The first task is DNA genealogy and population genetics, the second is just genetics.
                      20. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 12: 49 New
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                        Yes, I am aware)) So, the only study that I read on the so-called population genetics, not particularly going into details, found common only among Ashkenazi and Yemenites. And then, I remember more a strong wave of indignation from representatives of other Israeli Jewish communities. laughing
                        A people with a bunch of neophytes with a history of pogroms (and depreciation, respectively) is not an ethnic group. It is impossible to trace the history of the Coens and Levites from Morocco, Tunisia, the Netherlands, Ukraine, Italy, Turkey and Greece - there will be a miserable among them (although the Levites, in theory, are descendants of the brother of Moses). 2000 or more years of dispersion. A single ethnic group will form in Israel, in 150-200 years.
                      21. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 14: 11 New
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                        Klesov’s study suggests the opposite - the absolute part of Israeli Jews formed into a single ethnic group about 3300 years ago at the time of exit from Egypt.

                        According to the Old Testament, Leviticus was the great-grandfather of the prophet Moses. On the male line, Leviticus was a descendant of the Black Sea Aryans (R1a), his great-grandchildren formed the tribe of Levi - professional clerics - rabbis. Before resettlement in Europe, the vast majority of Levites belonged to the Black Sea Aryans, at the moment 1/3 have ancestors from other tribes (J1, J2, E1, R1b, etc.) due to the small number of most Jewish communities during the resettlement period.
                      22. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 15: 05 New
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                        Levites are not rabbis))
                        The attendants of the Temple services are musicians, ministers, etc. Coens are priests. The rabbis are the heads of communities or groups who understand the Torah. Example - Jesus in the Gospel of Luke, the disciples called Rabi (rabbi) or Rabuni (my rabbi).
                      23. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 20: 10 New
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                        The Coens are the descendants of Aaron, another great-grandson of Levi, i.e. also belong to his knee.

                        And so you are right: the descendants of Moses are the spiritual leaders of the communities, the descendants of his brother Aaron are the worshipers.
                      24. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 20: 47 New
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                        Nope
                        Rabbi Akiva - one of the most famous rabbis, was not a Jew by birth at all - he accepted the giyur. The one that "kill the best of the Romans."
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                        Operator 11 June 2020 20: 52 New
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                        So I said this - in connection with the deficit of the Levites in the small Jewish communities of Europe, they were forced to use anyone as rabbis.
                      26. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 20: 55 New
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                        Rabbi Akiva was not in Europe; he was the spiritual leader (not clergyman) of the anti-Roman rebellion of Bar Kokhba of 120 CE. in Judea.
                        A rabbi is not a priest. He does not have to be Cohen or Levy))
                      27. Operator
                        Operator 11 June 2020 21: 10 New
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                        Yes, God bless him and Akiva, who was the exception confirming the rule.

                        The rabbis and coens came from the tribe of Levi according to tradition - the first rabbi was the Levite Moses, and the first cohen was his brother the Levite Aaron. Moreover, representatives of the tribe of Levi were not included in the number of the Jewish people, since they were not military men.

                        A purely specialized brahmana type caste in India. Moreover, among the Levites and Brahmins, the vast majority are descendants of the Black Sea Aryans (R1a) - all of a sudden.

                        In other words: the descendants of the Semites and Hamites in the Jews were cannon fodder, and the descendants of the Aryans were the elite laughing
                      28. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 June 2020 21: 23 New
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                        Once again, the rabbis have nothing to do with the koens and Levites. laughing
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      There is a point of view. that the Second World War is the Sephardic war against Ashkenazi.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 12 June 2020 09: 43 New
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      Quote: ignoto
      There is a point of view. that the Second World War is the Sephardic war against Ashkenazi.

      Very correct point of view. The reason for the war was the conspiracy of whiskey against vodka and the antagonism between matzo and Easter cake
  • unknown
    unknown 12 June 2020 06: 13 New
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    In ancient languages, the words "Jew" and "Aryan" are not just close in sound. but also have one meaning.
    Person.
    Europe is a country, from the word "side" of the Jews, that is, people.
    The word "Jew" is ideological.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 12 June 2020 09: 45 New
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      That's right - Hebrew and Ari. Judea Region and Idea. Europe and the Jewish priest. Ram and master. Is logical.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 10 June 2020 15: 46 New
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    Quote: Legionista
    But what about the Legion and Tsahal with personal weapons? Mean short barrel

    For a long time there were PA (MAC50), the 50th year of release))), almost the same age as our PM, from the 2000s they were gradually changing to PAMAS G1 (French version of BERETTA F92). Then, apparently, everyone "came to their senses" lol , and began to smoothly switch to “GLOCK-17 is our everything.”

    A colleague from Estonia spoke a lot about Glock and pistols in general. Horse, Lauder
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 16: 06 New
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      He is engaged in practical shooting - a new, applied sport
      At one time, we only went through such courses
  • Vitas
    Vitas 11 June 2020 18: 27 New
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    As for the modern legion, the former legionnaire Anton, himself from Ukraine, tells very well.
    Das messer
  • geologist
    geologist 12 June 2020 17: 27 New
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    My parents came to work in Algeria a little later in 1964. They considered the years spent in Africa to be the best of their lives. The head of the enterprise, Kabil, was sympathetic to my father, who found a blind deposit near the ancient Roman adits. There were several French students from Sobonna in the village who worked as translators as an alternative to military service. The relationship was wonderful. I observed this in Mongolia in 1992, when many families of Soviet specialists fled in the spring because of unrest, but in the summer I, unsuspecting, arrived at the mine and lounged for two months because production could not work without ours. In the village, the supply of hot water stopped, there were power outages. They managed to drown excavators and machine tools in the Gobi Desert, which many consider to be an analogue of the Sahara. 38 families out of 100 returned in the fall and we revived production and life in the village.
  • golem
    golem 15 June 2020 13: 08 New
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    What a tragedy? The colonialists got what they deserved. And French and others
  • pytar
    pytar 18 June 2020 12: 48 New
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    Intrigued by the machine that Leyla Hamed is holding in her hands! Czechoslovakian CZ SA Vz. 58!