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Bob Denard, Jean Schramm, Roger Folk and Mike Hoar: the fate of the confectioners

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Bob Denard, Jean Schramm, Roger Folk and Mike Hoar: the fate of the confectioners

Michael Hoar on the set of Wild Geese, 1978. Next to him is Roger Moore and Richard Burton.


Today we will complete what we started in previous articles ("The great confectioners of the twentieth century", "Soldiers of Fortune" and "Wild Geese", “Bob Denard: The King of the Mercenaries” and “The Nightmare of the Presidents”) a story about the famous "condottieres" of the XNUMXth century.

The last expedition of Bob Denard


Robert Denard turned out to be the most active of the famous commanders of mercenary detachments, other "condottieres" who began their journey simultaneously with him in the 60s, with a large historical the scenes came off much earlier. Even at the age of 66, Denard felt so confident that in September 1995 he again went to the Comoros. There, at that time, the pro-French president Said Johar ruled, whom the "king of mercenaries" who didn’t age, decided to "resign." For this purpose, Denard gathered only 36 Merseners, but they were veterans who had previously served with him in the Comoros and "could have walked from the landing site to the presidential palace with their eyes closed." On a ship bought in Norway, this small detachment reached the main island of the Republic of Gran Comor, captured the capital (the city of Moroni) and freed more than 200 soldiers and officers of the presidential guard, who were serving their sentences after the unsuccessful 1992 coup. President Saeed Mohammed Johar was arrested in his villa, captain Ayyub Kombo was put at the head of the republic, who transferred power to the interim government four days later.


Bob Denard, 27-28 Sept. 1995

That is, Denard was “in shape”, and the next coup he got was no worse than before. He did not take into account only the reaction of the French government, which the veteran really did not like such “arbitrariness”.

This time, the French in the framework of the operation "Azalee" sent against Denard a small frigate of the class "Le Floreal de Lorient" (sometimes these ships are classified as corvettes) and 700 legionnaires of the DLEM unit (de Legion etrangere de Mayotte), supported by the commando of Djibouti and the soldiers of the second parachute regiment of the marine corps (only about a thousand people).


French Navy Floreal frigate in Cape Town


Comoros and Mayotte Island - DLEM Location


Mayotte Island (Comoros archipelago)


DLEM Foreign Legion Soldiers

Realizing that they simply did not have a chance against such forces, Denard and his people did not show any resistance. They were arrested and taken to Paris.


Bob Denard in 1995, after France ended his coup in Comoros

However, the interim government of Comor continued its work, and six months later, one of the princes who led it, Mohammed Taki, was elected president of the Republic of Comoros. Thus, despite the arrest of Denard and his people, in general, this coup can be considered successful - but not for Denard himself.

In France, Denard was again put on trial, which lasted until 2007. In 2006, one of the former heads of foreign intelligence of France, passing as a witness (his name was not disclosed), made a statement:

“When special services are not able to carry out certain types of covert operations, they use parallel structures. This is the case of Bob Denard. "

In July 2007, the court acquitted Denard on three counts and sentenced him on one episode, sentencing him to four years in prison. However, for health reasons, Denard did not end up in prison. Some later wrote about Alzheimer's disease, which Denard allegedly suffered at the end of his life. But look at this photo in which we see him in the courtroom:


Before us is a well-preserved elderly man with a strong-willed and intelligent face, not at all afraid: he seems to be holding back a sarcastic smile with difficulty.

Three months after the verdict was passed (October 14, 2007), 78-year-old Denard died in his house in one of the suburbs of Paris; acute circulatory failure was named the cause of death. He was buried in the church of St. Francis Xavier.


Eglise Saint François Xavier

In the last years of his life, Denard led the association of former mercenaries with a very interesting name: “The World is Our Country”.

It is curious if this name was known to the author of the text of the song of the Jam group?

A fragile stone will fall into dust, as fire lays down in veins.
There were - a fairy tale, steel - come true, your walls will not help ...
We are not the first weapon - the generation of immortals.
Steel stacks on endless roads.
And the drunken demon laughs, the mirrors spill crookedly,
We can live beautifully - we need peace ...
And preferably all.


Denard had 7 wives who bore him 8 children. 4 years after his death, he became the protagonist of the French film “Mr. Bob” (2011), which takes place in the Congo in 1965.


"Mister Bob", the poster of the film


Shot from the movie "Mister Bob"

Among the characters in this film was Jean Schramm.

The Fate of Jean Scarme



Still young and full of energy Jean Schramm in Congo

Since 1968, Schramm lived in Belgium and did not take a personal part in the operations of mercenaries, but in the 80s. advised Latinos (for example, his services were used by far-right organizations in Bolivia).


The retired Jean Schramm

However, the past nevertheless overtook him: in 1986, a court in Belgium sentenced him to 20 years in prison for the long-standing murder of a white planter in Congo (the Belgians were not interested in the murders of blacks). For some reason, Shram didn’t want to sit in a comfortable and comfortable Belgian prison, instead he went to his friends in Brazil. Here he wrote and published his memoirs, which he called "Revelation." He died in December 1988, at the age of 59 years.

The Thousand Lives of Roger Folk


Roger Folk (Fulk in another transcription) was a constant partner of Denard and actively collaborated with him in subsequent years. Together with him, as we recall from a previous article, he fought for the “Imam King” al-Badr in Yemen in 1963. Then, in combat against the new republican authorities, in addition to them, SAS staff members on vacation were involved, and funding went through Saudi Arabia.

In 1967, Volk led the Mercer detachment in Biafra, the oil-rich Nigerian province inhabited by the Igbo people. He also called Bob Denard here, and the other “authoritative” fighters, then promoted by Volk, were German Rolf Steiner and Welsh native Taffy Williams.

Rolf Steiner was born in Munich in 1933 and was the son of one of the pilots of the squadron of the famous "red baron" Manfred von Richthofen. Behind the 34-year-old Steiner was a service in the first parachute regiment of the Foreign Legion, the war in Indochina and Algeria. He was also a member of the OAS and participated in one of the assassinations of Charles de Gaulle, was arrested and was under investigation for 9 months.


Rolf Steiner

In Biafra, Steiner quickly went uphill: having begun his service as a company commander, he finished the commandos (Black Legion), the commander of the 4th brigade he had created himself, whose emblem was skull and crossbones, and the motto was the phrase “My Honor is Fidelity”.


Rolf Steiner and a young Biafra rebel fighter with a Czechoslovak assault rifle Vz 58. The emblem of the Black Legion is on a jeep

The beginning of a mercenary career was so successful for him that he continued it in Uganda, but was betrayed by the new authorities of this country and spent three years in Sudan, where he was kept in an iron cage in the middle of a prison yard, starved and tortured. Steiner returned to Germany with an invalid. Here he wrote the book "The Last Condotier."

Rolf Steiner was an atypical mercenary: he called himself an “adventurer” and claimed that he fought not for money, but for conviction. Indeed, he didn’t leave Biafra with the other Volks mercers, and the journalist France Soir then wrote about the rest: “They need one more to create a good title for the film and hundreds to create an army” - you probably guessed that he hinted to The Magnificent Seven. And in the future, Steiner could have avoided arrest if he agreed to testify against his friend - Idi Amin, chief of the General Staff of the Ugandan army.

Another Volk subordinate, Taffy Williams, was born in Wales, but spent his childhood and youth in South Africa.


Taffy williams

And earlier he served with Mike Hoar in the Congo - in the famous Wild Goose Battalion (Commando-5). In both Congo and Biafra, he became famous for his absolute fearlessness, personally led the soldiers into attacks under machine gun fire, and his subordinates considered him “spellbound”. In Biafra, he served in the Steiner Black Legion and very highly evaluated the fighting qualities of the rebels subordinate to him, stating:

“There is no one stronger than these people. Give me 10.000 Biafrians, and within six months we will build an army that is indomitable on this continent. "I saw that men die during this war so that if they fought in World War II for England, they would earn the Victoria Cross."

Williams worked out his contract in Biafra completely and left this province the last of Steiner's “Magnificent Six”. Therefore, he is often called the "ideal mercenary." Many believe that it was Taffy Williams who became the prototype of the main character of F. Forsyth's book “Dogs of War”.

Taking the opportunity, let us say a few words about other famous Biafra “volunteers”: pilots Carla von Rosen and Lynna Harrison.

Karl Gustav von Rosen was a count, the son of a famous Swedish ethnographer and nephew Karin Goering (nee Fock) - the wife of Hermann Goering.


Carl-Gustaf von Rosen in his youth

During the Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935), he served in aviation The Red Cross and during one of the missions received chemical burns from mustard gas used by Italians. Then, on the Douglas DC-2 airplane he bought, converted into a bomber, in 1939-1940. he fought as a volunteer on the side of Finland. After the outbreak of World War II, the British refused to accept him for service because of kinship with Goering. Later, von Rosen was a personal pilot of UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld, whose plane was shot down on the night of September 18 in the Congo. Karl von Rosen was then ill, and therefore the plane was controlled by another pilot - also a Swede.

After the outbreak of war in Nigeria, he, with the support of French intelligence, delivered 5 Malmo MFI-9 aircraft converted to attack aircraft to Biafra: the famous squadron “Biafra Children” was created (another version of the translation is “Biafra Babies”), which surprised everyone with its bold and efficient actions.


Carl Gustav von Rosen in the cabin of the Malmo MFI-9B

In 1977, Ethiopia and Somalia started a war for the province of Ogaden.


Ogaden Province on the map

The paradox was that at the beginning it was Somalia who was the USSR’s ally, and the Soviet Union, diligently and not sparing efforts and means, actually created a modern army in this state. And then Ethiopia announced a “socialist orientation”, and Somalis found support from the USA, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and some other Arab countries. Now in this round of the Cold War, Soviet leaders were on the side of Ethiopia, whose army “made a depressing impression”. The formula for victory was simple: Soviet weapon, instructors, advisers plus revolutionary Cuban soldiers (18 thousand people), transferred from Angola and Congo. And some more Yemenis and Karl von Rosen suddenly found himself on the Soviet-Cuban-Ethiopian side. Cubans then lost 160 people, the USSR - 33 "military specialists." And on July 13, 1977, during the attack by Somali partisans, Karl von Rosen was killed.

Lynn Harrison, a Canadian of Irish descent, began his pilot career as a fighter pilot - the youngest in the Air Force of post-war Canada (served from 1954 to 1964). To his colleagues, he remembered the phrase: "If this aircraft has fuel and you hear the noise of the engine, I can control it."


Lynn Harrison, 1956

While serving in the Sinai Peninsula, he at one time served as the personal pilot of the UN Under-Secretary-General, Ralph Bunch.

Harrison became interested in collecting “classic” airplanes (and could afford this pleasure). By 1964, he had acquired 45 cars, among which were, for example: Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star, Hawker Hurricane, Fokker D.VII, Morane-Saulnier MS.230, Supermarine Spitfire, Havilland DH.98 Mosquito, Vought OS2U Kingfisher, Vought F4U Corsair, Mustang P-51, B-25 Mitchell.

In 1964, Harrison founded the Canadian Aviation Museum, in 1966 he was the organizer of an air show in Los Angeles.

During the Civil War in Nigeria, he became a pilot of the Biafra Children squadron. As you know, this rich collector was then the last to think about money.

Harrison then participated in the Football War between Honduras and El Salvador (July 6-14, 1969). These were the last battles between piston aircraft in history. Contradictions between these countries have been growing for a long time, the direct reason for the outbreak of hostilities was the defeat of Honduras in the second qualifying match of the 1970 World Cup. The “lucky” national team of Salvador then lost all matches in this championship and did not score a single goal.

In 1980, Lynn Harrison attempted to make a television film about the Voodoo cult in Haiti, but it all ended with the beating of a film crew by local peasants in a cemetery while trying to unearth the grave of an alleged zombie. In 1991, Harrison returned to Haiti as an adviser to the dictator of Haiti, Raul Sedras. In 1992, he became the US Consul in this country, together with Pat Collins assisted in the reorganization of her army. In 2010, he retired and remained in Haiti.

Harrison is also known as the director of aviation stunts in some films.


Harrison on the set of a film about Richthofen, Ireland, 1970

Lynn Harrison is one of the few and now surviving participants in the events of those years.

But back to Folk, who did not win laurels in Biafra and preferred to withdraw his people ahead of schedule, citing a poor supply of weapons and ammunition, which was a violation of the contract. After that he “retired” and, enjoying universal respect, lived in France. In 2010, he was even an honored guest at the main festival of the Foreign Legion in honor of the Battle of Cameron.


Roger Folk holds a chest with a prosthesis on Captain Danju’s hand, April 30, 2010

Volk died in Nice on November 6, 2011 (at the age of 86).

One Hundred Years of Mike Hoar


After returning from Congo, Mike Hoar seemed to have retreated from the "big deal" and even made a trip around the world on a yacht. Whereas in the USSR and countries of the socialist camp, the commander of the “Wild geese” and his subordinates were written exclusively in “black”, then in the West he had a pretty good reputation as a man who saved thousands of innocent Europeans from reprisal.

He also tried to “find a job” during the civil war in Nigeria (which was mentioned above), but failed to agree on payment for his services. But his former Commando-5 subordinates, Alistair Wicks and John Peters, then made good money by recruiting pilots: Wicks recruited them for Biafra, and Peters for Nigeria. But for Wicks, it all ended sadly: his plane with several tons of Nigerian dollars was detained in Togo, the money was confiscated, and Wicks and his pilot spent 84 days in prison.


Alistair Weeks (sitting at the table). Photo from J. Puren’s book “Mercenary Commander”

Still, he was bored of leading the life of a “honored pensioner,” and in 1975, many claim to be involved in the recruitment of mercenaries, who later went to Angola. Imitating Robert Denard, in 1976 Hoar organized the Wild Goose Club, a mercenary office, many of which later ended up in Rhodesia.

And in the late 70's. Michael Hoar acted as a consultant for The Wild Geese (1978), which was written based on Daniel Carney’s novel The Thin White Line.


In this film, the role of Sergeant Donaldson was played by actor Ian Yule, who had previously served with Crazy Mike in Commando 5, and the role of Allen Faulkner (Mike Hoar became one of his prototypes) was played by Richard Burton himself.


Richard Burton in the movie Wild Geese


Ian Julie in the movie Wild Geese

Other celebrities included Roger Moore and Richard Harris.

But it was Hoaru, the only one of this merry company of mercenaries of the revolutionary Katanga, who was destined to go to jail.

In 1981, Hoar decided to shake antiquity and undertook to fulfill the order of the South African government to organize a coup in the Seychelles. It is curious that Hoar acted then in the interests of the legitimate president James Manchem, who in 1977 was expelled by the “Socialist of the Indian Ocean” France Albert Rene.

November 24, 46 fighters of the Hoar squad gathered at Johannesburg Airport. Among them were three veterans of the famous Commando-5 ("Wild Geese") - they became Hoar's deputies. The second group of fighters was represented by former members of the SADF (South African Defense Force, South African Defense Forces) reconnaissance and parachute regiments. The third - veterans of the Rhodesian unit "Scouts Selousa", specializing in the fight against partisans.


Emblem of the special unit "Selous Scouts"

Finally, the Rhodesians from the private military company SAS (Security Advisory Services), created in 1975. Its founders, John Banks and David Tomkins, deliberately took the name, the abbreviation of which was identical to the abbreviation of the famous British special forces Special Air Service.

They all went on the road under the guise of members of the club of former rugby players with the frivolous name "Order of beer foam blowers" - AOFB. But Hoara then failed the inappropriate behavior of one of his fighters, who had obvious mental problems.

The first unpleasant incident occurred in the city of Ermelo, where, in the absence of Hoar, the mercenaries slightly “went over” in the bar of the Holiday Inn and one of them beat a visitor who did not like him. Hoar ordered the poor fellow to pay, and the scandal was avoided. On November 25, a squad of "rugby players" arrived at Pointe Larue Airport (Victoria City) on Mahe Island.


Victoria, Seychelles Island

And then the times were so idyllic that they carried dismantled Kalashnikovs in their sports bags.


Hoar Fighter Bags Contents


Hoar Group portrays carefree tourists at Pointe Larue Airport (Seychelles). 1981 year

Further does not lend itself to a reasonable explanation.

The penultimate of the mercenaries in the bag (in which, we recall, a disassembled machine was hidden) turned out to be prohibited fruits. It was them that the customs officers discovered.


Lychee (Chinese plum). These fruits caused the failure of the expedition of Mike Hoar

Subordinate Hoara, apparently, was very fond of lychees, and therefore, instead of calmly parting with them and going to the bus, he began to bicker. And when the angry customs officer, after all having taken the fruits, began to write him a fine, made a scandal with shouts: “You searched me because I was Creole”, I ran into a full search. The rest of the Hoar people were real professionals. The former paratrooper Kevin Beck, who was standing next to this psychopath, assembled his assault rifle in 15 seconds, the rest, who had already managed to board the bus after hearing the noise, were ready in half a minute. But everything didn’t go according to plan, they had to enter into an unequal battle right at the airport, which they still managed to capture (at the same time, Hoar’s fighters burned a police armored car). But further actions became impossible due to the arrival of additional forces, including army units. Realizing that they had nothing more to do in the Seychelles, Mike and his guys hijacked an Indian plane and went back to South Africa on it, where they were arrested for 6 days. The world press “dubbed” this operation “The Tour with the Coup”.

For the attack on the airport and the hijacking of the airliner, Hoar was later sentenced to 20 years (served 33 months). During this time, Hoar received many letters of support from former hostages released by him in the Congo, their friends and relatives. Here is what was written in one of them:

“Dear Colonel. On November 25, 1964, the day of the Stanleyville massacre, you, together with Colonel of the American Army Raudshtein and a detachment of your people, saved the American family who lived on the outskirts of the city held by the rebels. You then put the little girl in the back seat of your truck and took the family to a safe place. I am that little girl. I am now 23 years old. Now I have a husband and my own children, and I love them very much. Thank you for giving me life. ”



Mike Hoar's Liberation Party (Hoar Center)

Upon his release, Hoar began to write books and memoirs: “Mercenary”, “Road to Kalamata” and “Seychelles scam”.



In this photo, Mad Mike is 100 years old:


Recall how he was at 25:


In 45:


Finally, at the age of 59, on the set of the film “Wild Geese”:


Old age does not spare even such heroes of the era.

Michael Hoar died on February 2, 2020 in Durban, South Africa, in the first hundred years of his life, and his death was reported by media around the world.

In the next article, we will talk about another hero of this era, David Stirling, who became the founder of the Special Airborne Service (SAS) and the first private military company - Watchguard International.
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Articles from this series:
Ryzhov V. A. The Great Confectioners of the Twentieth Century
Ryzhov V. A. "Soldiers of Fortune" and "Wild Geese"
Ryzhov V. A. Bob Denard: “the king of mercenaries” and “the nightmare of the presidents”
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 25 June 2020 05: 57 New
    +3
    The retirees ... the purest adventurers ... where they pay there and these mercenaries appear ... but there is no doubt that they have military training at their best.
    In most cases, winners come out of fights ... such guys are always useful to special services for dirty cases where the state of those who hire them do not want to smear their hands with blood.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 25 June 2020 09: 08 New
      +5
      Yes, they came out victorious, BUT in clashes where and with whom? There is a huge difference in the level of training ... serious ones, they really rarely came across this ...
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 June 2020 06: 34 New
    +3
    Thanks for the interesting loop. What a contradictory, adventurous, but interesting fate of these, controversial, heroes ....
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 25 June 2020 06: 36 New
    +1
    before us well preserved an elderly man with a strong-willed and intelligent face, not at all afraid: he seems to be holding back a sarcastic smile with difficulty.

    Judging by the fact that he died after .... 3 months, he was not very preserved ...
    The paradox was that at the beginning it was Somalia who was the USSR’s ally, and the Soviet Union, diligently and not sparing efforts and means, actually created a modern army in this state. And then Ethiopia announced a “socialist orientation”, and Somalis found support from the USA, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and some other Arab countries. Now in this round of the Cold War, Soviet leaders have sided with Ethiopia,

    It was spent on some billions, then on others, then on third, in the USSR, of course, there was nothing to spend them on.
    And the sense of this is ZERO. Woe to the leaders ....
    Michael Hoar died on February 2, 2020 in Durban, South Africa, in the first hundred years of his life, and his death was reported by media around the world.

    Surprisingly rich in events and adventures long life.
    But why is that all?

    Article plus!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 June 2020 06: 45 New
      +6
      Surprisingly rich in events and adventures long life.
      But why is that all?

      You know, I’ve seen in life a lot of people chained by fate to a wheelchair from birth ... they probably would have envied him in the thousandth part of adventure ... it is better to die in battle than in a wheelchair.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 25 June 2020 07: 29 New
        -3
        Quote: The same Lech
        You know, I’ve seen in life a lot of people chained by the will of fate to a wheelchair from birth ... they probably would have envied him in the thousandth part of the adventure.

        But people who are not chained to the stroller are billions of times more: in this case we are talking about comparable values
        Quote: The same Lech
        better to die in battle than in a wheelchair.

        That is if there is just such an alternative.

        And in other cases, it’s not at all like that, it’s not so clear ....

        Although with this
        Better than vodka or colds. "
        sogdashen. But this is not about fights, with many casualties ...
    2. VLR
      25 June 2020 07: 47 New
      11
      Quote: “Why all this?”
      Demand creates supply. “If the stars are lit, then someone needs it” (Mayakovsky).
      And why did people from prosperous countries go to war in peacetime, realizing that they would really shoot at them? There were "adrenaline junkies" like Hoar or Harrison. There were idealists like those about whom Svetlov wrote: "I left the hut, went to fight, so that the land of Grenada could be given to the peasants." Steiner is close to them, and Che Guevara is a unique alloy of the first two types. But most were unhappy people who could not find themselves in society and realize their abilities and talents. There are always many of these after the great wars: a person has learned to fight very well, but the state no longer needs soldiers. He will be kicked out of retirement, where all the “warm” places have long been occupied by rear-fools. And he must either come to terms with the role of a small screw in an incomprehensible soulless mechanism, or try to continue his usual life among the same people as he understands.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 25 June 2020 09: 13 New
        +4
        I knew this ... the young lieutenant first had a sip of Afghanistan, though it was already before the conclusion, then our "hot spots" went off .... quit ... tear apart in the country, he pushed around and didn’t find himself, as the author wrote above , and it started ... almost everywhere where something was there ... and then he just took it and shot himself ... sorry, but such a warehouse of man ..
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 June 2020 10: 35 New
          +6
          These are people who are accustomed to the hierarchical structure and fear, not finding themselves in civilian life. Urgently, I laughed at smart guys from wealthy families who wanted to sign a contract service. But already before the demobilization he began to check the opportunity to work in the paramilitar zone of Colombia or Leviev in Africa laughing
    3. VicktorVR
      VicktorVR 25 June 2020 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      before us well preserved an elderly man with a strong-willed and intelligent face, not at all afraid: he seems to be holding back a sarcastic smile with difficulty.

      Judging by the fact that he died after .... 3 months, he was not very preserved ...

      Does someone believe that he died "his death"?
      I am sure that none of his colleagues believed and does not believe.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 June 2020 19: 03 New
        0
        Quote: VicktorVR
        Quote: Olgovich
        before us well preserved an elderly man with a strong-willed and intelligent face, not at all afraid: he seems to be holding back a sarcastic smile with difficulty.

        Judging by the fact that he died after .... 3 months, he was not very preserved ...

        Does someone believe that he died "his death"?
        I am sure that none of his colleagues believed and does not believe.

        Apparently, he wanted to write a memoir, so he died.
  4. DimanC
    DimanC 25 June 2020 06: 43 New
    +3
    How wonderful - I got caught, was convicted, spent some ridiculous time - and was released. Well, how can one not be happy and not celebrate? His own "son of a bitch" ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 June 2020 06: 51 New
      +3
      and was released.

      And note in the contract the employer spells out expenses for this part of the adventure ... a beautiful life ... money ... war ... schnapps ... women.
      True, a random bullet can destroy it all.
  5. hohol95
    hohol95 25 June 2020 08: 20 New
    +5
    And about the "amateurs" like the son of the "Iron Lady" article will be?
    1. VLR
      25 June 2020 09: 05 New
      +6
      Yes, a little - in the next article
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 09: 20 New
        -19
        I have not read the article and I will not. And even the comments that I read did not convince me that I was interested.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 June 2020 10: 36 New
          12
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I have not read the article and I will not. And even the comments that I read did not convince me that I was interested.

          And even left a comment - so it’s not interesting to you laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 25 June 2020 12: 47 New
            +8
            "And Baba Yaga is against!" laughing
            Internet masochism represented by the user Krasnoyarsk is gaining momentum.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 21 New
              -5
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              laughing
              Internet masochism represented by the user Krasnoyarsk is gaining momentum.

              And now we read the comments of those who are not subject to Internet masochism.
              Quote: mordvin xnumx

              And I skimmed through. One comrade in the picture looks like Gorbachev. I hope you won’t drive me with pendulums, huh?

              Quote: Sea Cat
              Is that what? I somehow did not pay attention.

              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              This is that Denard.

              Quote: 3x3zsave

              Well, that’s how Michael Hoar looks like Boris Galkin! Estimate phantasmagoria: Galkin does not act in "In the zone of special attention, but plays the role of Hoar in" Wild Geese "!

              Well, did you like the discussion of the article?
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 14: 56 New
            -5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            I have not read the article and I will not. And even the comments that I read did not convince me that I was interested.

            And even left a comment - so it’s not interesting to you laughing

            Yes, it’s just interesting for you, because they are close to you. These are your heroes.
            But not mine. And my heroes are closer to me. Heroes of the Turkish Wars, and Swedish, Napoleonic and Germanic, heroes of the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War.
            Is everything already written about them? Or, perhaps, against the background of the "condottieres" our heroes look faded?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 June 2020 16: 36 New
              +3
              I do not consider them heroes lol These are people who have chosen adrenaline or money, or both. Or not finding themselves in the civilian world. But they are all bright personalities.
              My heroes are the great-grandfather-shoemaker, who fought for the Reds in the civilian, grandfather-milling machine, at the age of 17 fled to the front as a volunteer and another grandfather who worked in court, who fought in intelligence.
              But they are ordinary people. But these mercenaries - no)).
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 16: 48 New
                -5
                Quote: Krasnodar
                But they are all bright personalities.

                So after all, any bandigans are bright personalities. Not?
                For what idea and in the name of what did your "bright personalities" shed someone else's blood?
                But the words are familiar to you - "We will replace their heroes with alien" heroes ", we will raise meanness and treachery as a virtue," etc.
                Don't you think that this is exactly what is happening now?
                A people hawala. And you are among them, despite the fact that your grandfathers ....
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 June 2020 17: 22 New
                  +3

                  So after all, any bandigans are bright personalities. Not?

                  No laughing Apparently, you rarely came across them. )))
                  For what idea and in the name of what did your "bright personalities" shed someone else's blood?
                  What idea and why are you going to work for?
                  But the words are familiar to you - "We will replace their heroes with alien" heroes ", we will raise meanness and treachery as a virtue," etc.

                  Most likely, I am not familiar with a couple of conspiracy theories such as the protocols of the Zion of the Sages, the Dallas Plan, the Testament of Cthulhu, etc.
                  Don't you think that this is exactly what is happening now?
                  A people hawala. And you are among them, despite the fact that your grandfathers ....

                  Once again - I do not consider them heroes, but many forum users, including myself, could very well have been in the place of mersiners for very many reasons. If you are not one of those, this is quite normal.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 25 June 2020 12: 50 New
          +8
          Then why write this crap? From personal hostility to the author? I don’t understand these types: "I haven’t read, I won’t, I don’t know ... I judge by the comments ..."
          I ran into a branch to just shake it, or what?
          With pleasure I slammed a minus, although I really do not like to do this.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 25 June 2020 12: 57 New
            +3
            I ran into a branch to just shake it, or what?
            Exactly!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 25 June 2020 13: 05 New
              +5
              Valery must have been offended, he appreciated the opinion of this individual. laughing
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 14 New
                +5
                Seriously? I didn’t notice, to be honest.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 13: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Valery must have been offended, he appreciated the opinion of this individual.

                And I skimmed through. One comrade in the picture looks like Gorbachev. I hope you won’t drive me with pendulums, huh?
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 25 June 2020 13: 21 New
                  +2
                  Is that what? I somehow did not pay attention. hi
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 13: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    Is that which?

                    This is that Denard.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 25 June 2020 15: 06 New
                      +4
                      In my opinion, somehow not very. At a certain age, all older people turn into decrepit old people ... if they survive, of course.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 26 New
                        +5
                        "You're still a strong old man, Rosenbom!" laughing
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 25 June 2020 15: 28 New
                        +5
                        Like an old rusty anchor - you’ll get the hell out of place. laughing
                      3. Astra wild
                        Astra wild 26 June 2020 21: 43 New
                        +1
                        The Adventures of Niels
              3. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 43 New
                +6
                Well, that’s how Michael Hoar looks like Boris Galkin! Estimate phantasmagoria: Galkin does not act in "In the zone of special attention, but plays the role of Hoar in" Wild Geese "! wassat
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 25 June 2020 15: 15 New
                  +3
                  With all due respect to Galkin and the “Zone of Special Attention,” he won’t pull. Zhzhenov in the role of a mercenary did not pull, as, in general, Kindinov. "Even the faces of their horses are Ryazan!" (from).

                  Try to compare with Hardy Krueger in the role of the Rhodesian lieutenant Peter:
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 June 2020 16: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Valery must have been offended, he appreciated the opinion of this individual. laughing

              Tank caterpillar clank
              What did Krasnoyarsk think?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 25 June 2020 17: 18 New
                +2
                Obviously, this is a stone in the engine compartment of our recognized Tank - Anton. Palm trees, languid virgins ... and then Tank comes around the corner. laughing drinks
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 June 2020 17: 25 New
                  +3
                  laughing
                  And Anton and another Muse have one cocktail for two - and not Molotov ... drinks
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 25 June 2020 17: 49 New
                    +2
                    And who knows what our Maid is with. I would not risk even speculating. I know for myself. that you can’t take some “girls” and Molotov. smile True, I am a man of the "old rules" and I don’t quite imagine how modern youth is having fun. request
                    Somehow, according to tradition, it was customary to talk about "Shermanyug", and now:
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 18: 14 New
                      +3
                      Yes, I drank at the Club with one Russian beauty. Viskar Elite with appetizer. Stylish wolf for 8-ku drank vodka, biting a glass of cigarette. Bottom line - dragged me to the hotel laughing
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 25 June 2020 18: 23 New
                      +2
                      Lucky, do you remember anything else? smile drinks
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 18: 42 New
                      +3
                      I remember how I demanded a continuation of the banquet and tried to urinate behind the curtain of a hotel room laughing
                    4. Alf
                      Alf 25 June 2020 19: 06 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I remember how I demanded a continuation of the banquet and tried to urinate behind the curtain of a hotel room laughing

                      Out the window?
                    5. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 19: 07 New
                      +2
                      If only out the window .. laughing
                    6. Alf
                      Alf 25 June 2020 19: 08 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      If only out the window .. laughing

                      Was it closed?
                    7. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 19: 10 New
                      +2
                      I think yes, but are you interested in the details of urination towards the construction / restoration of the Moscow Children's World? )))
                    8. Alf
                      Alf 25 June 2020 19: 13 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I think yes,

                      But you don’t remember exactly? laughing , although you do not deny the fact?
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      and you are interested in the details of urination towards the construction site of the Moscow Children's World?

                      No, such intimate details do not interest me, though ... to piss on Detsky Mir is, my friend, creatively, no words ... request
                      So to speak, cast on our future .. laughing
                    9. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 19: 15 New
                      +1
                      Are you an investigator? lol And sho shiver if the hotel was there request
                    10. Alf
                      Alf 25 June 2020 19: 17 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      And sho shiver if the hotel was there

                      And to find a toilet compass was not found? what
                    11. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 19: 25 New
                      +1
                      Was not in that condition)).
                    12. Alf
                      Alf 25 June 2020 19: 26 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Was not in that condition)).

                      Do not be offended, I’m not from evil. But there is something to remember.
                    13. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 19: 33 New
                      +1
                      Yes everything is normal good
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 25 June 2020 19: 51 New
              +5
              Thanks guys! Both of you reminded me how in a crowd of four mugs we cast together in the courtyard of the Khovansky house, this is on the side of the Lubyanka opposite from the Main Directorate of Imperial Security, almost opposite the 40th deli. And the senior opera from the embassy department, our mutual friend, dragged us there. It was somewhere in the early seventies. They also drank port, and from there ran to the piece department of the deli. There was no grazing of cops there, but there was only one outside from the Office, but they were not rummaging around the yards, and still they had it. It was a fun time. laughing drinks
            4. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 08 New
              +4
              The most invaluable experience in drinking alcohol was obtained by me when I was 14 years old, on the Mediterranean coast of Israel. 91st, we came poor, threw ourselves off pocket pennies given by our parents for chewing gum, bought the cheapest Israeli-made vodka “Kazachok” with a taste of acetone laughing For a snack there was warm water collected somewhere and canned pickles in spicy and spicy Moroccan pickle. Heat under 40, sea, acetone and Cobra helicopters flying to the side of Lebanon fellow
            5. Catfish
              Catfish 25 June 2020 20: 12 New
              +2
              Cobra as a snack ... I envy in a good way. Oh ...
            6. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Cobra as a snack ... I envy in a good way. Oh ...

              IsoaIl military .... After 23 years, they drank vodka with a client on the restaurant terrace, near the Assuta clinic in Tel Aviv. His wife underwent surgery, chatting, respectively, about women. Everything happened during the operation against Gaza, they were alarmed by the shelling of the Fajers. In the end, on the appetizer, in addition to non-kosher seafood, there was an iron dome laughing
            7. Catfish
              Catfish 25 June 2020 20: 46 New
              +2
              My friend from Oceanology was in Israel for an exchange. I was stunned by the fact that even local dogs know Russian.
              Question: What is the second official language in Israel?
              Answer: Yiddish. laughing
              They drank with local scientists in the Golan Heights, well, I wanted to. Huey flew up, the machine gunner hung up, looked through the binoculars, neighed, waved his hand and they flew on. They drank vodka with orange juice. I envied, Huey had never seen live. Chop-chop-chop ... as it was in Coppola's Apocalypse ...
            8. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 June 2020 22: 16 New
              +1
              In Israel, you will see a lot of fun from the Apocalypse and other things - in 73, during the air bridge, so many were filled up that until now this junk of Vietnam’s times is stored or is working laughing
    2. Alf
      Alf 25 June 2020 20: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Sea Cat
      It was a fun time.

      Yeah...
      One wanted to cast on our future, the four of them (and this is already a group by prior conspiracy) directly opposite the Imperial Security Service ... I am already scared for our future, scared to think what you taught your children ... laughing
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 25 June 2020 20: 19 New
      +1
      I didn’t have children then, only after the demobilization I was delayed at the “Left Bank” spasters two days later for the third. Well, the third is understandable: the beach, boats, scuba gear and women, but two days between the hours of duty had to be spent in the stone jungle of Moscow. But ... It was fun time. smile drinks
      PS And on the "bright future" everyone was ... shorter. there were no dissidents among us. laughing
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 45 New
      +4
      Quite right - the bright future, the fate of Solzhenitsyn, Lenin’s political testament, Khrushchev’s report at the 20th Congress and so on, were of interest only to dissidents drinks
  6. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 22 New
    +2
    Today I taught my children berries:
    Banana, strawberries, strawberries, cherries.
    Banana, strawberry, wild strawberry, cherry and Berry
    At night I will read to them about the largest moons of Jupiter - Io, Ganymede, Europe and Collisto fellow
    3 years and 2 months, and still can’t walk in formation ...
  7. Alf
    Alf 25 June 2020 20: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    and we still don’t know how to walk in formation ...

    Do not know how, teach, do not want, force. soldier
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 43 New
    +1
    Just a couple of years - and fell-wrung out laughing
  9. Gaubvaxta
    Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 20: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Just a couple of years - and fell-wrung out laughing

    Oh, I doubt it .... You’ll send students to London explicitly or to Israel, along with your wife
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 56 New
    +1
    In any case, they will go through the army, and we'll see how and how. If a boarding school in London - then a year in Russian, then admission to a university. )) Israeli - three, too long. Here you can get a small one for 2 years laughing
  11. Gaubvaxta
    Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 21: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    In any case, they will go through the army, and we'll see how and how. If a boarding school in London - then a year in Russian, then admission to a university. )) Israeli - three. Here you can get a small one for 2 years laughing

    Well, I'm talking about Th .. You look and father-in-law will agree to immigration .. In Russia, you don’t have to sit to do business .. bully The main thing is to establish communications and all ..
  12. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 04 New
    +1
    Agricultural is a must. Otherwise, rob or squeeze laughing
  13. Gaubvaxta
    Gaubvaxta 25 June 2020 21: 10 New
    +1
    wink
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Agricultural is a must. Otherwise, rob or squeeze laughing

    Well, take off the crop and bring down ..))) And take a large loan .. Does everyone do this, right? wassat
    Smolensky, for example, took a couple of myliards $ took a loan for rural economy in his agricultural bank and disappeared ..)))
    Somewhere in Spain, grandchildren bring up quietly ..
  14. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 36 New
    +2
    Yes, you’re a direct financial genius, Vitaliy! I’ll think about your advice - you need to listen to successful people lol
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 11 New
    -5
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    I ran into a branch to just shake it, or what?
    Exactly!

    No, I just wanted to draw the attention of the most respectable public, what primitive you are stuffed with.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 June 2020 17: 23 New
      +3
      And at least somehow about the primitive? It’s just interesting, if you didn’t read the article, what can you know about it? According to the comments? Well, don’t, take it seriously, comrade. You didn’t come to kindergarten here, adult uncles and, by the way, modern children here don’t really believe in Santa Claus. Your arguments! Or go to hell, with sincere respect.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 01 New
    -4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    With pleasure I slammed a minus, although I really do not like to do this.

    Slap with pleasure another five minuses, once you are closer to a certain Bob Dinar.
    And here I am closer to my native infantry Vanya, who left his autograph on the Reichstag.
    They are not written about such extensive, enthusiastic articles on the pages of VO.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 June 2020 16: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Slap with pleasure another five minuses, once you are closer to a certain Bob Dinar.
      And here I am closer to my native infantry Vanya, who left his autograph on the Reichstag.

      You can have a different attitude to the mercenaries of the 60s, but it was. So to speak, the first wave of a new mercenary, bloody romance, to italize, African savannah.

      For them in the 80s came PMCs, such as the notorious Executive Outcomes. And the mercenary finally became Nothing personal just business: the same EO, consisting of former servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Republic of South Africa, restored the Armed Forces of the official Angola, coaxing in battles with ... the army of South Africa. The elite brigade of the Angolan army was reorganized precisely by those who had seriously battered it before. And the specialists from EO had to fight with those whom they supported while serving in the Republic of South Africa (the Angolans traditionally did not want to fight, and this time, for the lack of Cuban and Soviet troops, the official government had to pull the fifth government out of the fifth point).
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 June 2020 16: 47 New
        +1
        The symbol of modern PMCs is Black Waters
        I wish I read about them
        1. Moskovit
          Moskovit 25 June 2020 17: 35 New
          +1
          As I understand it, the story about them will not be so fascinating, and the characters are not romantics. One shooting in Baghdad in 2007 is worth it. True, it ended for the participants very sadly - 3 terms of 30 years and one life term.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 June 2020 17: 50 New
            0
            The incident described by you can happen anywhere and with anyone in the conditions of work among the "hostile population". One mercenary began randomly firing at civilians, but this happens with conscripts and contract soldiers of any army on a planet in similar conditions. If it were not for the pressure of the Iraqi government and the position of the US State Department, who strongly recommended hushing up the scandal and making concessions to Iraqis, no one in the world would have heard of this case.
            1. Moskovit
              Moskovit 26 June 2020 00: 11 New
              +1
              So there is still a video of how they ram the cars of Iraqis, scorching how much in vain. Vobschem stocks decently. Yes, and they have a different essence. They did not overthrow anyone, but simply an army service.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 June 2020 00: 12 New
                -1
                This is in Iraq. In Africa, they did business, including with overthrows, control of countries, etc.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 17: 12 New
    -4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Then why write this crap? From personal hostility to the author?

    Not. In order to show you how slowly, gradually, not our heroes are imposing on you. how you get used to it, how gradually you forget about your own, real ones. About those who shed their blood in the name of an idea, in the name of the Motherland.
    And I don’t care who appreciates me, and who doesn’t.
    I feel sorry for you, the wretched, pecking at this bait, and swallowing it swallowed.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 25 June 2020 13: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    I have not read the article and I will not. And even the comments that I read did not convince me that I was interested.

    This, of course, is also the position! laughing laughing laughing
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 10 New
      +2
      This is not a position, this is the opinion of a frog about the existence of the Universe, in other words, a “point of view".
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 07 New
        -3
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        This is not a position, this is the opinion of a frog about the existence of the Universe, in other words, a “point of view".

        The tadpole said, having heard these wise words.
        You read the article, what did she teach you? What clever have you learned from this article? What do you add to the treasury of your knowledge?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 17 New
          +2
          I added. To be honest, I'm sorry for you.
          You live in a continentum created by your own imagination and annoyingly try to convey the fruits of this imagination to other people. Your behavior is similar to the actions of adherents of Jehovah's Witnesses. You are a sectarian like them. You are not interesting for me. Goodbye
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 30 New
            -2
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Goodbye

            So right away - goodbye? And to answer the questions? Where is your mighty, not frog mind? Or did the read article land him like that?
            But on the contrary, it was supposed to enrich your already powerful mind.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 38 New
              +3
              Yes exactly! You are not interesting for me. I consider further controversy unproductive. Farewell!
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 June 2020 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Phil77
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      I have not read the article and I will not. And even the comments that I read did not convince me that I was interested.

      This, of course, is also the position! laughing laughing laughing

      Principal citizenship soldier
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 57 New
        +2
        "The plastic world has won,
        The layout turned out to be stronger "(C)?
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 15: 02 New
      -2
      Quote: Phil77
      This, of course, is also the position!

      Yes, this is my position!
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 25 June 2020 11: 04 New
    +5
    In Biafra, Steiner quickly went uphill: having begun his service as a company commander, he finished the commandos (Black Legion), the commander of the 4th brigade he had created himself, whose emblem was skull and crossbones, and the motto was the phrase “My Honor is Fidelity”.

    The familiar motto is Meine Ehre heißt Treue! It lacks only the emblem with a double zipper and a black shape.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 June 2020 13: 00 New
      +5
      Hi Alexey hi immediately thought about the same.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 17 New
        +4
        The motto itself is good. Who used it is another matter.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 June 2020 15: 00 New
          +5
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The motto itself is good.

          Yeah ... how "To each his own"Or"Labor makes free".
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Who used it is another matter.

          That's the problem.
          The same swastika, in principle, is an ordinary solar symbol. It was. Until the Nazis covered him up. Since then, it has been associated mainly with them and with what they did under it.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 05 New
            +3
            Do you think I will mind? Yes, not at all !!!
  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 June 2020 12: 38 New
    +3
    But look at this photo in which we see him in the courtroom:
    Before us is a well-preserved elderly man with a strong-willed and intelligent face, not at all afraid: he seems to be holding back a sarcastic smile with difficulty.

    This is a 1999 photo, photographed by Jean-Christophe Kahn, Reuters.
    In 2006, Denard looked completely different.
    1. VLR
      25 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +5
      Thanks for the photo, I haven’t found one like that. But here, Denard for his age looks very good. A focused smart look, the face remains strong-willed, although it seems sad.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 25 June 2020 13: 12 New
        +4
        Just a photo was taken by a professional, Olivier Laban-Mattei, an interesting guy, I met him.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 June 2020 13: 23 New
          +4
          Good afternoon, Vic. hi And what does he think of Denard, have you not touched on this topic?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 25 June 2020 13: 51 New
            +4
            No, we did not touch on this topic. My friend and I wandered through the German tunnels in Mimoyek, a guy came up, as it turned out - a friend of Sergei. Upon learning that I am a guest of France, caught fire and spent a very interesting tour. Then I found out that this is a famous French photographer.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 56 New
          +5
          Viktor Nikolaevich, I never get tired of being surprised by the circle of your acquaintances! good You, an hour, Diana Spencer were not represented?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 25 June 2020 14: 00 New
            +1
            Alas, by the time I got to Britain, she was no longer alive.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 25 June 2020 14: 21 New
              +2
              But there was a good woman. Smart and beautiful! And Charlie is a rare doldon!
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 25 June 2020 14: 36 New
                +2
                I would say - charming.
                And Charlie is a rare doldon!
                In the family - not without a freak, even in the royal.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 13: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: VlR
        Thanks for the photo, I haven’t found one like that. But here, Denard for his age looks very good. Focused smart look

        Here, inspired.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 25 June 2020 13: 50 New
          +6
          Vladimir! hi
          Glasses greatly change the appearance and view of others about the person wearing them.
          As one of my acquaintances, a traumatologist used to say, taking off his glasses: "Does I look like a Good Doctor?" And a look like that of Hannibal Lector ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 13: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            taking off his glasses: "Looks like a Good Doctor?". And a look like that of Hannibal Lector ...

            And on the contrary, glasses scare me. By the way, I can’t wear them either. I’ve been more than once, put on solar, I can’t, that's all. They press on the bridge of the nose.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 25 June 2020 14: 32 New
              +1
              I’ve been more than once, put on solar, I can’t, that's all.
              I'm afraid in this case, only a welding mask can help ... request
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                I'm afraid in this case, only a welding mask can help ...

                And I do not love her. The turtle squeezes, paskudina. crying
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 25 June 2020 14: 43 New
                  +2
                  No need to use "consumer goods"
                  The price tag for good welding masks starts from 5 tyrov.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 14: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    The price tag for good welding masks starts from 5 tyrov.

                    Tonight, after work, I'm going to help make the fence. Do you know where they will send me when I start to rant about the price tags of masks from 5 tyrov? laughing
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 01 New
                      +3
                      I know. Unfortunately, this is our all-Russian misfortune, a professional cannot afford high-quality equipment, because it will not pay off, and this is why we build it "out of shit and sticks"
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 25 June 2020 15: 08 New
                        +4
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        on this and build so, "out of shit and sticks"

                        Nah ... We build with shit and sticks, and not bad. Any German will choke on seeing how we make candy from a known substance. Unless, of course, in good conscience, and not "fuck off, nasty."
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 25 June 2020 15: 24 New
                        +2
                        Sorry, Volodya.
                        You can make candy out of shit, but it will be candy out of shit.
                        I hope, as a professional, you will understand me!
                        PS I apologize for familiarity.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 02: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        but it will be sweetie of shit.

                        Let me tell you how to Cuba double car
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 26 June 2020 02: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        but it will be sweetie of shit.

                        Let me tell you how to Cuba double car
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 June 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        My acquaintance, a former MMA-schiki pro, even put himself a lens. When he puts on glasses in the circle of acquaintances, there are giggles that smoothly turn into violent laughter laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 25 June 2020 14: 13 New
          +4
          It’s good that the "former". In this "sport", even with minimal diopters, vision can be lost "one or two".
          To myself and the glasses. I take pictures without glasses on any document. When law enforcement officers compare the document with the original (with glasses, respectively), questions about my danger to society disappear instantly laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 June 2020 14: 39 New
            +2
            I also need, by the way
            Classic thin Jew with glasses))
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 25 June 2020 14: 45 New
              +1
              Getting old request
              Try the lenses
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 25 June 2020 16: 38 New
                +3
                On a fig? For the illusion that young girls are pecking at my appearance? laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 25 June 2020 17: 46 New
                  +2
                  I will dispel the stereotype. Young girls do not care your glasses. Moreover, some of them carry this optical device with zero diopters.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 17: 52 New
                    +2
                    laughing Anton, to young girls as a male I do not care in principle. So why do I need lenses instead of comfortable glasses?
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 25 June 2020 18: 33 New
                    +2
                    Is this what young girls told you, or is it a middle-aged depressant?
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 18: 40 New
                    +4
                    This is simple logic and life experience. laughing Once I was engaged in night clubs, I know perfectly well the psychology of young girls in relation to adult men)).
                  4. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 25 June 2020 20: 42 New
                    +3
                    This psychology is known to anyone who has read S. Minaev. laughing
                  5. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 20: 48 New
                    +1
                    Minaev in his duhless retells someone’s adventures, and quite golimo laughing
                2. Liam
                  Liam 25 June 2020 21: 00 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  This is simple logic and life experience. laughing Once I was engaged in night clubs, I know perfectly well the psychology of young girls in relation to adult men)).

                  hi
                  Do not confuse young girls in general with young girls, guests of nightclubs)
                3. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 09 New
                  +3
                  Hi hi
                  Fair? In nightclubs in my time, dull percent of 90 Russian-speaking Israeli women. Visiting clubs does not oblige to constant consumption of drugs, the search for sponsors, etc. )))
                  But the psychology of absolutely all young girls to older men is identical
                4. Liam
                  Liam 25 June 2020 21: 20 New
                  +5
                  )))
                  And what interestingly does a 50-year-old uncle who hangs out with youngsters in night clubs count on?
                  That he will be loved for gray hair mixed with bald spots and decrepit muscles?) He actually goes there to buy a young body for money because there aren’t any other arguments. You have to be a naive fool to complain later that you are being used as a self-propelled ATM.
                5. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 37 New
                  +3
                  That's exactly what I wanted to say laughing
                6. Liam
                  Liam 25 June 2020 21: 57 New
                  +2
                  So in vain they roll the barrel to the younger generation. They even behave honestly, unlike don Juans of not the first freshness who complain about the lack of spirituality in the brothel)
                7. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 59 New
                  +1
                  Do I really complain? I just want to wear comfortable glasses instead of contact lenses - no more laughing
                8. Liam
                  Liam 25 June 2020 22: 01 New
                  0
                  I'm not talking about you. You are sane adequate)
  • Alf
    Alf 25 June 2020 20: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Young girls do not care your glasses.

    Young girls now do not care just the depth of the pocket and the length .. well, you know what.
    So to speak, a hybrid of an ATM and a porn actor.
  • Liam
    Liam 25 June 2020 21: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Young girls do not care your glasses.

    Young girls now do not care just the depth of the pocket and the length .. well, you know what.
    So to speak, a hybrid of an ATM and a porn actor.

    And older women, in your opinion, are deprived of interest in these secondary details?
  • Alf
    Alf 25 June 2020 21: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Young girls do not care your glasses.

    Young girls now do not care just the depth of the pocket and the length .. well, you know what.
    So to speak, a hybrid of an ATM and a porn actor.

    And older women, in your opinion, are deprived of interest in these secondary details?

    No, but the emphasis is shifted there, the ATM is more important, and the second will be found somewhere.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 39 New
    +1
    On the contrary - the older the woman, the more difficult it is for Her to find the second))
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 June 2020 21: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Young girls do not care your glasses.

    Young girls now do not care just the depth of the pocket and the length .. well, you know what.
    So to speak, a hybrid of an ATM and a porn actor.

    If this applies to older men, then they are only interested in the first))
  • Alf
    Alf 25 June 2020 22: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: VlR
    Thanks for the photo, I haven’t found one like that. But here, Denard for his age looks very good. Focused smart look

    Here, inspired.

    No, this is some kind of dented, I would even say, loved.
  • Alf
    Alf 25 June 2020 19: 04 New
    +1
    Even their faces are similar.



    By the way, no one knows where to download Mr. Bob? No torrents.
  • WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 25 June 2020 19: 12 New
    +1
    ... well, part of any ethnic group always has an awl ... and contract service is certainly an option for such passionaries .. here's a cool clip on this topic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6frN7VvW8PY
  • Corvus99
    Corvus99 25 June 2020 22: 55 New
    +2
    Again full of mistakes, sometimes funny.
    A “Le Floreal de Lorient” frigate is apparently a “Le Floreal” frigate from Lorient (base of the French Navy)
    Next
    Orbs Patria Nostre is a paraphrase of the motto of the foreign legion Legio Patria Nostre. In this context, not a country, but a homeland.
    In the Schramm section, the photograph is not a young Schramm at all, but Jean-Claude Blain or Blin, one of Denard's associates in Congo and Gabon.
    Schramm did not live in Belgium, but wandered between Portugal and Latin America. Donkey in Brazil. And when, in 1986, Belgium asked for his extradition, he spent several months just in a Brazilian prison.
    Tuffy Williams had nothing to do with Folk.
    Von Rosen did not fight on the side of the Cubans. He carried humanitarian supplies to Ethiopia.
    Lynn Harrison did not serve in the Biafra Child squadron (Rosen brought his compatriots) and was not in Biafra at all. He did not participate in the "football war."
    Weeks, by the way, was a pilot himself.
    There were no Rhodesians at SAS Banks.
    The raid on the Seychelles failed because Kevin Beck was not drunk by customs along the "red" corridor, but found fruit from a passenger who had arrived with Hoar’s people on the same plane, a really Seychelles creole.
    The armored car did not burn the people of Hoar - he was stuck in a ditch.
    Hoar wrote the book "Congolese Mercenary" back in 1967.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 26 June 2020 20: 02 New
    -2
    In his youth and youth, by the mid-80s, he read all the books about wild geese and watched all the films of the time. There was no delight, but, damn it, there was such a romantic! laughing And only then it came to pass - these bad people exchanged other people's lives for banknotes! In a word, ordinary thugs thugs. It is not clear why this is on a MILITARY review? Where-a thread on a forensic or forensic psychiatric would be more correct.
    1. Major48
      Major48 26 June 2020 21: 28 New
      -2
      Sorry, but you are mistaken. And don't judge mercenaries by movies and popular articles like the one we're discussing right now. Mercenaries are part of military history and military art. Unfortunately, the craving for sensationalism and primitive romanticization overshadowed in general an analysis of the military effectiveness of mercenary formations. Today, the most ancient part of mercenaries is the Vatican's Swiss guard, created in the 16th century, later the mercenary units of the Gurkhas - 1816 and the Foreign Legion - 1831 appeared. Mercenaries are a profession, they have a magnificent monument in Swiss Lucerne. Try to move away from the sleaziness of the statues of such a bruise and find the essence of the authors: the military functions of mercenaries in each specific conflict, the forms and methods of recruitment, knocking together, armament, and transfer. etc. And you will not find! The authors of the articles have been copying the same facts from each other for decades, turning over data and dates. So try to analyze yourself. And war crimes are committed not only by mercenaries. Canada even disbanded a select regiment of paratroopers after their crimes in Somalia. And how many Americans have been convicted of crimes in Iraq: robberies of museums, murders, rape. So do not shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 27 June 2020 19: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Major48
        Sorry, but you are mistaken. And don't judge mercenaries by movies and popular articles like the one we're discussing right now. Mercenaries are part of military history and military art. Unfortunately, the craving for sensationalism and primitive romanticization overshadowed in general an analysis of the military effectiveness of mercenary formations. Today, the most ancient part of mercenaries is the Vatican's Swiss guard, created in the 16th century, later the mercenary units of the Gurkhas - 1816 and the Foreign Legion - 1831 appeared. Mercenaries are a profession, they have a magnificent monument in Swiss Lucerne. Try to move away from the sleaziness of the statues of such a bruise and find the essence of the authors: the military functions of mercenaries in each specific conflict, the forms and methods of recruitment, knocking together, armament, and transfer. etc. And you will not find! The authors of the articles have been copying the same facts from each other for decades, turning over data and dates. So try to analyze yourself. And war crimes are committed not only by mercenaries. Canada even disbanded a select regiment of paratroopers after their crimes in Somalia. And how many Americans have been convicted of crimes in Iraq: robberies of museums, murders, rape. So do not shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can.

        I don’t remember anything about coups from the History of Military Art course, for example laughing
  • Major48
    Major48 26 June 2020 21: 05 New
    -1
    Already well done, corrected Fulk on Folk. I would also clarify that Hoare reads like a Chorus. Learn materiel
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 27 June 2020 19: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Major48
      Already well done, corrected Fulk on Folk. I would also clarify that Hoare reads like a Chorus. Learn materiel

      Yeah, Hoar, too, somehow cuts a rumor to me, the Chorus is more familiar.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 26 June 2020 21: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    These are people who are accustomed to the hierarchical structure and fear, not finding themselves in civilian life. Urgently, I laughed at smart guys from wealthy families who wanted to sign a contract service. But already before the demobilization he began to check the opportunity to work in the paramilitar zone of Colombia or Leviev in Africa laughing

    What prevented you? Climate or price
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 26 June 2020 22: 05 New
    +1
    Dear colleagues, what of the listed books, films are in Russian?
  • kot-begemot
    kot-begemot 27 June 2020 02: 26 New
    +1
    Life is a game. Worthy of respect.
  • merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 27 June 2020 15: 11 New
    +2
    It’s an excellent masterpiece, but there’s nothing to read recently, this forum has become scanty and squeezed, sorry. I have a request to the author to describe in more detail the military operations of the South African army and mercenaries in Rhodesia and Lesotho, as well as the actions of Cuban volunteers, I’m very glad Thank.
    1. unknown
      unknown 28 June 2020 00: 01 New
      +1
      Moreover, it was during these military operations that a record was set for the number of destroyed enemies in one battle, from a pistol.
      How reliable is this story?