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"Soldiers of Fortune" and "Wild Geese"

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"Soldiers of Fortune" and "Wild Geese"

Frame from the movie "The Wild Geese", 1978


In the previous article ("The great confectioners of the twentieth century") we started meeting people who were destined to enter history as the most famous and successful commanders of mercenary units of the twentieth century. It is genuine surprise at how they managed, with such small powers, to exert such a serious influence on the modern history of some states. And these were not the heroes of the works of ancient authors, Icelandic sagas or chivalric novels, but our contemporaries (the last of these condottiers died recently, February 2, 2020), but some have already managed to become characters in novels and feature films.

In today's article, we will continue our story. And we’ll start it from the time the “vacationers” Roger Fulk and Robert Denard appeared in Katang, who, as we recall, came to defend this rebellious province of Congo (and the mining and chemical enterprises located on its territory) from the central authorities of this country.

Fighting of the Fulk legionnaires in Katanga in 1961


After the resource-rich province of Katanga announced its withdrawal from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Belgium, fearing the nationalization of the United Mines of Upper Katanga, actually supported Moise Chombe, the head of the rebels, the country's president Kasavubu turned to the UN for help (July 12, 1960) . The UN functionaries, as usual, made a half-hearted decision, on the principle of "neither ours nor yours", which did not satisfy either side. The presence of the Belgian military in Katanga was not recognized as an act of aggression, but the independence of the newly emerging state was not recognized. The conflict, according to UN officials, should have been transferred to a sluggish phase, and there, perhaps, it itself will "resolve" somehow. Unions of peacekeepers began to arrive in the Congo, but relations between them and the armed formations of both sides somehow did not work out right away. So, the Irish battalion, who arrived in Congo at the end of July 1960, was ambushed on November 8 by the Balub tribe who fired at the aliens from ... bows. Eight Irish were killed at once, the body of another was found two days later. And in the DRC government, there was a struggle not for life, but for death, which ended with the dismissal and arrest of Lumumba, his release, re-capture and, finally, the brutal execution in Katanga, where he was transferred in the hope that this “gift” to Tshomb at least somehow will contribute to the attenuation of the rebellion. It turned out even worse, and very soon the civil war flared up with renewed vigor, and the Congo actually fell into four parts.

At the beginning of September 1961, the Irish battalion of the UN peacekeeping force approached the city of Jadoville, located in the interior of Katanga. The official purpose of arrival was to protect the local white population. Here, the Irish were not at all happy, and the whites turned out to be Belgians - employees of the same company, because of which it all began. And so the Irish were not even allowed into Jadoville - they had to set up camp outside the city. And on September 13, soldiers of Roger Fulk and local military formations arrived (they were below all criticism, so the mercenaries became the main striking force). During the 5-day battles, 7 white mercenaries and 150 blacks were killed then (which is not surprising: many of the Africans fought with bows).


Captured Irish

At home, the surrendered Irish (157 people) were initially considered cowards, but then compatriots changed their minds, and in 2016 they shot the heroic film “The siege of Jadotville” (“Siege of Jadoville”) dedicated to these events.


The basis of the script for this was the Declan Power documentary, The Siege of Jadoville: The Forgotten Battle of the Irish Army. The main role was played by Jamie Dornan - the idol of masochists, the performer of the role of the rich pervert Christian Gray (“Fifty Shades of Gray,” “Fifty Shades of Darker” and “Fifty Shades of Freedom”).


Jamie Dornan in the movie The Siege of Jadauville

And here's what the real captain looked like, Pat Quinlan, whose role went to Dornan:


And this is Guillaume Canet in the role of Roger Fulc, a shot from the movie "Siege of Jadoville":


And - the real Roger Fulk:


Later, Fulk developed a plan to defend the rebellious province of Katanga and led its defense, which the forces of international forces could not break through. Katanga was divided into 5 military zones, the main battles unfolded outside the city of Elizabethville (Lubumbashi). Despite the overwhelming advantage of the enemy, using heavy artillery and Aviation, mercenary units with the support of local residents (including Europeans) put up fierce resistance. Robert Denard proved himself especially then, who, commanding a battery of heavy mortars, successfully and quickly changing positions, literally terrorized the detachments of the advancing "peacekeepers".


Bob Denard in Katanga

Elizabethville was nevertheless surrendered, and this caused the fury of Fulk, who believed that the city was still possible and needed to be protected. He left Congo, vowing now never to obey the orders of the Africans, and his deputy, Bob Denard, became the commander of the French mercenaries. But soon he left Congo - in front of him was a “job” in Yemen.

Despite the capture of Elizabethville, it was not possible to subjugate Katanga: a ceasefire was signed on December 21, 1961 (and this province will fall only in January 1963).

Mike Hoar vs. Simba and Che Guevara


As we recall from the article "The great confectioners of the twentieth century", in the summer of 1964, an uprising of the Simba movement began in the vast territory of northeastern Congo. So the "rebels" called themselves ("lions"), and other Congolese called them "fables" - "forest people", which clearly indicates the level of development of these rebels: "civilized" peoples are not called "forest".


Congo, mid-1964, territories controlled by rebels Simba (highlighted in pink) and Qwilu (highlighted in orange)

On August 4, 1964, rebels captured the city of Albertville (now Kisangani). They were held hostage by 1700 white settlers. When Mike Hoar’s detachment and Congo government’s army units approached the city in the fall of 1964, the rebels announced that in the event of an assault all the “whites” would be killed. The situation was resolved after Operation Red Dragon, during which 545 paratroopers of the Belgian army landed 24 white and 1600 Congolese on November 300, landed at Stanleyville Airport. Simba managed to kill 18 hostages and injure 40 people. And on November 26, the Belgians carried out the operation "Black Dragon" - the capture of the city of Paulis.


Belgian paratroopers in Congo


Warrant Officer of the First Battalion of the Belgian Parachute Regiment, 1964

After that, the Congo army and the Hoar battalion began to storm the city and oust the rebels from its environs. Until the end of the year, Hoar’s fighters took control of several dozen villages and the city of Vatsa, freeing another 600 Europeans. During these operations, Hoar was injured in the forehead.


Mike Hoar's fighters and the white hostages they freed

Nevertheless, Hoar was dissatisfied with this operation and therefore took decisive measures to strengthen the discipline and combat training of his soldiers, he paid special attention to the selection of candidates for sergeant and officer posts.

Despite such successes, the Congo authorities did not regularly supply ammunition and food supplies to the Hoar detachment and even allowed a delay in salaries. As a result, at the beginning of 1965 (after the expiration of the contract) almost half of the mercenaries left Commando-4, and Hoar had to recruit new people. Having signed a new six-month contract with the government of this country, Mike Hoar formed his famous battalion of "wild geese" - Commando-5.


Emblem Commando-5


Mike Hoar (left) and Commando-5 fighters


Mercenaries Commando-5 are fighting with the squad "Simba"

It was in Congo Hoar that he earned his famous nickname, becoming Raging Mike (Raging Dog in the original version). Africans so called him for his constant desire to destroy those responsible for the reprisals against white settlers. The executions of the killers, according to the "fighters against colonialism," were a terrible violation of their rights "to freedom and self-determination," and Hoar, from their point of view, was a real messenger and a scumbag. Well-known principle: “But for what?” When whites were killed, it’s, as they say, “God himself ordered” ...

How serious and solid the man was Mike Hoar can be judged by the fact that, in addition to the infantry, then he had at his disposal several boats, a gunboat, a helicopter, 34 B-26 bombers, 12 T-28 fighters and a helicopter. The pilots of his squadron were mercenaries from South Africa, Rhodesia and Cuba (emigrants from among the opponents of Fidel Castro), and there were many Poles among the flight mechanics. Especially Hoar then singled out precisely the Cubans:

“These Cubans were the toughest, most loyal and single-minded soldiers I have ever had the honor of commanding. Their commander, Rip Robertson, was the most distinguished and dedicated soldier I have ever met. Cuban pilots got up in the air so that few people could compete with them. "They dived, fired and dropped bombs with such energy, with such pressure that this decisiveness was transmitted to the infantry, which later appeared with might and main in hand-to-hand combat."

The Cuban pilot Gustavo Ponsoa, in turn, “crumbles in compliments” Hoaru:

“I'm proud that Mad Mike still appreciates us. And we, in turn, have a very high opinion of him. This man was a real fighter! But when I remember those African cannibals that we fought in the Congo - those that Che allegedly commanded, the “mighty Tattoo” ... oh god, my goodness! ”



Mike Hoar and Mobutu (still Lieutenant General)

Yes, in April 1965 a detachment of black Cubans arrived to help the Sims, commanded by the same “mighty Tatu commandant” - Che Guevara.


Che Guevara in Congo: operation planning

Speaking directly and bluntly, Simba were terrible scumbags, but worthless warriors. Abdel Nasser, whom Che Guevara met on the eve of his “business trip,” spoke directly to him about this, but the Cuban decided that with a commander like him, even Simba's “jackals” would become real “lions”. But immediately it became clear that these rebels had no idea about discipline, and Che Guevara was furious when, in response to orders to dig trenches and equip combat positions, the “lions” mockingly answered:

“We are not trucks and not Cubans!”

The military units of the rebels Che Guevara politically incorrectly called "rabble", and this was the true truth.

The Cubans told the following about the method of shooting these rebels: picking up a machine gun, the rebel closed his eyes and held his finger on the trigger until he emptied the entire store.

Victor Kalas, one of the members of the Che Guevara expedition, recalled one of the clashes of Simba’s squad led by him with the “wild geese” of Hoar:

“Finally I decided to give a signal to retreat, turned around - and found that I was left alone! Apparently, I was alone for quite some time. Everyone escaped. But I was warned that this could happen. "

In August 1965, Che Guevara admitted:

“Indiscipline and lack of dedication are the main signs of these fighters. With such troops it is unthinkable to win a war. ”

Against this background, decadent sentiments began to spread among the fighters of the Cuban detachment. Che Guevara wrote about this:

“Many of my comrades dishonor the title of revolutionary. I apply the most cruel disciplinary sanctions to them. ”

Try to guess what disciplinary punishment Che Guevara considered "the most cruel"? Such, in his opinion, was the threat to send the "alarmist" home - to Cuba!

Some of the Cubans who died during the fighting in Congo had their passports, which caused a great scandal and accusations of Cuba and other socialist countries in the fighting on the side of the rebels.

As a result, Che Guevara still had to leave the Congo: in September he left for Tanzania, then, according to some reports, he was treated in Czechoslovakia for several months. Returning to Cuba, he began to prepare for an expedition to Bolivia - the last in his life.

And Mike Hoar on October 10, 1965 announced the liberation of the Fizi-Barak region.

On November 25, 1965, Mobutu came to power in Congo, who the very next day thanked Hoar with a letter of resignation - the British seemed to him too independent, independent and dangerous. In Commando-5, he was replaced by John Peters, whom Hoar called "crazy like a snake", and the last commander of the Wild Geese, who took office in February 1967, was Captain John Schroeder.


Georg Schroeder

Three months later, in April 1967, this legendary division was completely disbanded. Now the main "star" of the Congo mercenaries is Bob Denard, who led the French-speaking Commando-1965 battalion created in 6.

But the actions of Mike Hoar and Commando-5 were so successful and effective and made such an impression that the name "wild geese" soon became a household name. Over time, many detachments of mercenaries appeared with similar emblems and names, and even parts of the armed forces of some countries are not ashamed of “plagiarism”. For example, the emblem of the combined unit of the Ukrainian Air Force “Wild Duck”, created in Ukraine from volunteers wishing to fight in the Donbas in September 2014:


The similarity is obvious. This name was proposed by one of the "volunteers", and later officially approved. The unit included military personnel of the Air Force of Ukraine, with the exception of the pilots and navigators themselves. The detachment fought in the Yasinovatsky district, near Avdeevka and the Donetsk airport. But let’s not talk about them, let’s return to the story of those who went to kill people at least for money and strangers to them, and not their compatriots for ideological reasons (but also for money).

The amazing adventures of Bob Denard


In 1963, Robert Denard and Roger Fulk ended up in Yemen, where they fought on the side of the monarchists (their employer was the “imam-king” al-Badr). However, a secret war against the new authorities of Yemen was then fought by Britain, Israel and Saudi Arabia. The main role in this intrigue was played by people from British intelligence (MI-6), who attracted the notorious David Stirling (the first commander of the Special Airborne Service, Special Operations Executive, which will be discussed in another article), and sent to help these already very authoritative French four SAS employees on vacation. The curator of the operation was SAS Colonel David de Crespigny-Smiley. In his book Arabian Assignment, published in 1975, he pointed out a curious difficulty in recruiting Katanga veterans: they had many women and freedom to drink alcohol in the Congo, and they could not offer anything like that in Islamic Yemen.

A transition of a large caravan (150 camels with weapons and equipment) across the Aden-Yemen border was provided by British lieutenant Peter de la Billiere, future SAS director and commander of British forces in the 1991 Gulf War.


Peter de la Billire

Since then, Denar has been constantly suspected of tacit collaboration with MI-6 (and not without reason). Denar was in this country until the autumn of 1965 and not only fought, but also organized a royalist radio station broadcasting in Yemen in one of the caves of the Rub al-Khali desert (on the border with Saudi Arabia).

In 1965, Denard returned to the Congo: first he served with Tshombe, who at that time was already the Prime Minister of this country and fought against Simba and the Cubans Che Guevara. At that time, he headed the Commando-6 battalion, in the rank of colonel of the Congo army, in which about 1200 French-speaking mercenaries of 21 nationalities served (including Negroes, but most were French and Belgians, there were a lot of paratroopers of the Foreign Legion). Then he fought against Tshombe, “working” for Mobutu, who took the modest title of “warrior going from victory to victory, which cannot be stopped” - Mobuutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu va Banga (there are different translation options, but there is one sense). However, he “did not deprive” his subjects in this respect: European names were banned, and now everyone could completely officially call themselves very pathos.


Sese Seko Mobutu (R) and General Likulia Bolongo (L)

Mobutu also declared himself "the father of the people" and "the savior of the nation" (where without it). And on the evening saver News the dictator was a subject seated in heaven, from which the actor, who was made up under him, solemnly “descended” to his subjects. The bovine cane, with which Mobutu always appeared in public, was considered so heavy that only the most powerful warriors could raise it.


Lake Albert, which was renamed in Congo to Mobutu Sesa Seko in 1973 (Uganda did not recognize this name, after the overthrow of Mobutu the former name was restored)

Mobutu did not go broke on Denar's expensive services: the dictator’s personal capital in 1984 amounted to about $ 5 billion, which was comparable to the country's external debt.

And at that time, Denara's old acquaintance, Jean Schramm, was fighting for Chombe: "nothing personal, just business."

But then Denard returned to Katanga again and, together with Jean Schramm, fought against Mobutu in 1967. Now we will tell how this happened.

Rise of the White Mercenaries


What is the epic and pathos title of this subtitle, is not it? Involuntarily thoughts come to mind about some Carthage of the Hannibal Barca era or Gustave Flaubert’s novel “Salambo”. But I did not come up with this name - that is what the events in the Congo are called in all textbooks and scientific works. It was then that the glory of Jean Schramm broke out with a supernova, whose name became known far beyond the borders of Africa. Two people challenged the powerful dictator Congo Mobut, and it was Scramm who bore the brunt of this unequal struggle.

Jean Schramm, forced in 1963 to leave with his people in Angola, returned to Congo in 1964, fought with the Simba rebels, and in 1967 he actually controlled the province of Mania, and did not rob her, as one might think, but rebuilt and restored the infrastructure destroyed by the war.


Jean schramme

Mobut didn’t like all this, who in November 1965 made the second coup d'etat and was considered a “good” (American) “son of a bitch”, which, however, did not prevent him from flirting with China (he respected Mao Zedong very much) and maintain good relations with the DPRK.

The only advantage of this dictator was that, unlike some of his African colleagues, he “did not like” people (in the sense that he did not like to eat them). Cannibalism was fond of just in the rebellious provinces. But he loved to “live beautifully”, and even the “abacoste” french coats invented by Mobut (from the French a bas le costume - “down with the suit”), which were now prescribed to be worn instead of European costumes, for the dictator and his associates were made in Belgium by Arzoni. And the famous leopard hats of the dictator - only in Paris.


Mobutu in abacost and leopard hat

Sozacom, a state-owned company exporting copper, cobalt and zinc, transferred $ 100 to $ 200 million annually to Mobutu's accounts (as much as $ 1988 million in 800). In official reports, these amounts were called "leaks." And on a monthly basis, trucks drove up to the Central Bank building, onto which bags of national currency bills were loaded - for small expenses: these amounts were called “presidential subsidies”.

The diamonds that were mined in Kasai province were quite “fun”: Mobutu arranged excursions to the foreign guests at the storage of the state company MIBA, where they were presented with a small scoop and a small bag into which they could collect their favorite “pebbles” as “souvenirs” .

From Congo (since 1971 - Zaire, since 1997 - again the DRC), the guests left in an exceptionally good mood and invariably certified the dictator as a wonderful person with whom one could and should deal.

By the way, regarding the renaming of the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Zaire: when this happened, there were jokes that students from all over the world should now be grateful to Mobut. After all, there was also the People's Republic of the Congo (now the Republic of the Congo), the former French colony with the capital in Brazzaville, which was constantly confused with the DRC.

In April 1966, Mobutu reduced the official number of the provinces of the Congo from 21 to 12 (in December of that year to 9, and abolished it altogether in 1967) and ordered Denar and his Commando-6, who was in his service, to disarm Shram's soldiers. However, Schramm, who was supported by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium Pierre Harmel, and Denard, who was traditionally patronized by the French special services, preferred to come to an agreement. Their European bosses did not like Mobutu's pro-American position, while Denard suspected that he himself would be next on the liquidation list. It was decided to bet again on Moise Chomba, who at that time was in Spain. Denara and Shramma were supported by Colonel Nathaniel Mbumba, who led the former gendarmes of Stanleyville (Kisangani), who were dismissed during the “purges” initiated by Mobutu.

Commando-10 Scarf was to capture Stenleville, after which, with the help of the approaching fighters of Denard and the gendarmes of Katanga, they took the cities of Kinda and Bukava. In the last phase of this operation, called the “Carillis”, Shram was to take control of Elizabethville and Kamina’s air base, to which Tshombe had to fly to demand Mobutu’s resignation.

Meanwhile, in Commando-6 Denara at that time there were only 100 white mercenaries (French, Belgians and Italians), in Commando-10 Scarme - only 60 Belgians. The soldiers of these detachments were blacks, and Europeans, as a rule, occupied officer and sergeant posts.

However, on July 2, the bodyguard of Tshombe, Francis Bodnan, hijacked a plane in which he flew to Congo and ordered the pilots to land him in Algeria. Here Tshombe was arrested and died after 2 years. It is still impossible to say with certainty whose mission Bodnan performed. Most researchers believe that he was turned over by the CIA, since Mobutu was considered the American "son of a bitch."

Denar and Shramm, who had not even managed to start the uprising, were left without “their” presidential candidate, but they had nothing to lose, and on July 5, 1967, Shramm, at the head of a convoy of 15 jeeps, burst into Stenleville and captured him.

An elite third parachute regiment was sent to Mobutu against him, the soldiers of which were trained by instructors from Israel. Denard, apparently doubting the success of the operation, acted indecisively and was late, and then was seriously wounded and taken to Salisbury (Rhodesia). The Scram squad and gendarmes of Colonel Mbumba fought for a week against paratroopers of the third regiment, and then retreated into the jungle. Three weeks later, they suddenly appeared near the city of Bukava and captured it, defeating the government troops there. At that time, only 150 mercenaries and 800 more Africans remained in the Shramm squad — the Mbumbu gendarmes, against whom 15 thousand people threw Mobutu: the whole world watched in amazement over the course of 3 months the newly-born “Spartans” of Shram fought for Bukavu and practically left undefeated.

When the fighting was still going on in Bukava, the recovering Bob Denard decided to find a new Congo leader, who, in his opinion, could well be the former Minister of the Interior, Munongo, who was detained in a prison on the island of Bula Bemba (at the mouth of the Congo River).

13 saboteurs recruited in Paris, led by the Italian combat swimmer Giorgio Norbiatto, traveled to the Congo coast from Angola on a trawler, but a storm that raged for two days disrupted their plans. The Denard detachment (110 white and 50 Africans) crossed bicycle paths (!) On forest paths (!) On November 1 and entered the village of Kingze, taking flight from a platoon of the government army and capturing 6 trucks and two jeeps. But in the future, luck turned away from the “mercenary king”: his detachment was ambushed while trying to seize army depots in the city of Dilolo (it was necessary to arm three thousand Katanga rebels) and retreated. After that, Mbumba left for Angola, where he continued the struggle against the Mobutu regime. In 1978, he was the leader of the Congo National Liberation Front (Katanga Tigers) and one of the organizers of the raid on the city of Kolwezi, which was repelled only by paratroopers of the Foreign Legion under the command of Philip Erulen (this will be described in one of the following articles).


Lieutenant General Nathaniel Mbumba in front of the Katanga Tiger ranks, 1978

And Schramm brought the remnants of his people to Rwanda.


Suppressed by defeat Jean Schramm and his people in Rwanda

Sharm accused Denar of the failure of this rebellion, who really acted somehow unusual for himself, strange and indecisive. However, it should be recognized that the plan for Operation Carillis looked very adventurous from the very beginning, and after the abduction of Moise Chombe, who had the support of the Congo, the chances of success became completely minimal.

In Paris, Denard founded the company Soldier of Fortune, which recruited young people who knew how to handle weapons well for African dictators (as well as for those who just wanted to become an African dictator). It is believed that the number of coups in which Denard participated in one way or another is from 6 to 10. Four were successful, and three of them were personally organized by Denard: it was not without reason that he was called the “king of mercenaries”, “the nightmare of the presidents” and the “pirate of the Republic” .

However, in an interview to the journalist’s question about Samantha Weingart’s book “The Last of the Pirates”, whose hero he became, Denard answered with irony:

“As you can see, I don’t have a parrot and a wooden leg on my shoulder.”

In the next article we will talk about the future fate of this famous French condottier.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 17 June 2020 05: 06 New
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    “- Don’t worry, Bear! Remember that mercenaries do not die.
    - Yes of course. They descend to hell to regroup. ”
    I do not condemn in any way the "soldier of fortune." A lot of reasons are pushing people to enroll in the same Légion étrangère
    “Everything is different with me in the sense that no one orders me to go into battle, does not tell me where to fight or on which side. That is why politicians, the establishment, hate mercenaries so much. It's not that we are more dangerous than them, rather, the opposite is true. It's just that they cannot control us, we do not obey their orders. We do not shoot at those whom they point to, we do not start when they command “start”, do not stop when they say “stop.” That is why we are considered illegal. We fight by contract, and we choose our own contracts. "
    Frederic Forsyth. Quotes from Dogs of War.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 June 2020 06: 46 New
    +2
    Thanks. Interesting. I watched the Siege of Zhadovil. We also need to look at the "wild geese" ....
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 17 June 2020 06: 53 New
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      Look also "Dogs of War", the film is based on the book of Forsythe, but "Geese" is beyond competition.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 18 June 2020 13: 23 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        Look also "Dogs of War", the film is based on the book of Forsythe, but "Geese" is beyond competition.

        Konstantin, many thanks for the recommendation. Now I'm reading a book, very exciting. I’ll definitely watch the film, but after reading the book. In general, I love VO, including for erudite and well-read commentators who will always advise what to read, but I cannot without books.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 18 June 2020 17: 03 New
          +1
          - There is an interesting book about mercenaries, the truth about a later period ... "War Prostitutes or Soldiers for Sale".
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 June 2020 20: 01 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      We also need to look at the "wild geese" ....

      Search in the version with the translation Petersburg-Fifth Channel. There is on Rutrekker. A gorgeous movie, some artists are worth something.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 June 2020 01: 17 New
        +2
        In any translation! good
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        4. saygon66
          saygon66 18 June 2020 17: 36 New
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          - In any translation ...
          - There is a very old, 1968 film: "Dark of the Sun"
          [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/7ulZ35aSglg? t = 9]
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 17 June 2020 06: 53 New
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    How serious and solid the man was Mike Hoar can be judged by the fact that, in addition to the infantry, then he had at his disposal several boats, a gunboat, a helicopter, 34 B-26 bombers, 12 T-28 fighters and a helicopter. The pilots of his squadron were mercenaries from South Africa, Rhodesia and Cuba (emigrants from among the opponents of Fidel Castro), and among the flight mechanics there were many Poles

    This is a whole army!

    In the photographs, the complete international is white, Asians, blacks, fighting shoulder to shoulder.
    That's what life-giving money does!

    Oh, good article!

    Interesting! hi
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 17 June 2020 07: 25 New
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    It was in Congo Hoar that he earned his famous nickname, becoming Raging Mike (Raging Dog in the original version). Africans so called him for his constant desire to destroy those responsible for the reprisals against white settlers. The executions of the killers, according to the "fighters against colonialism," were a terrible violation of their rights "to freedom and self-determination," and Hoar, from their point of view, was a real messenger and a scumbag. Well-known principle: “But for what?” When whites were killed, it’s, as they say, “God himself ordered” ...
    The author writes very interestingly, but one significant drawback is strongly noticeable in his cycle - he was never in the place of the described events and his attitude to the described events was formed "on television". Hence such passages as in the quote.
    A description of any military conflicts in postcolonial Africa should be preceded by an analysis of ethnic, confessional, historical, socio-economic, civilizational factors. Then a lot, in particular - the attitude of the local population to the "white master", looks in a completely different light.
    ... in the summer of 1964, an uprising of the Simba movement began in the vast territory of northeastern Congo. So the "rebels" called themselves ("lions"), and other Congolese called them "fables" - "forest people", which clearly indicates the level of development of these rebels: "civilized" peoples are not called "forest".
    The author somehow neatly bypassed participation in the described events of the USSR. 10 million dollars, trucks, drivers, auto mechanics, equipment for the repair of vehicles, weapons advisors (about 1000 people). The "Forest People" also enjoyed the support of the USSR as "fighters against colonialism" and were supplied with weapons and Cuban mercenaries.
    1. VLR
      17 June 2020 08: 28 New
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      “TV” was unlikely to affect my grades, as I only saw “ideologically seasoned” Soviet reports, and I met the opposite point of view much later.
      As for the Cold War confrontation, indeed, a huge number of the most vile dictators and scoundrels were supported by the United States on the basis that they were ready to sell their countries to foreign companies for nothing and were enemies of the regimes supported by Moscow. And no less
      The most odious leaders and outright bastards were supported by the USSR on the grounds that they declared a “socialist choice” and took an anti-American position. It was a very profitable business: no matter what you call yourself, money will “fly in” from somewhere. And no one will ask for a report, just say the “right” words.
      True, there was an important difference: the USSR "sponsored" the countries, the USA "bought the elite". It turned out even cheaper and more efficient.
      Nobody gave the debts to anyone, but for the USSR, whose resources were limited, this “attraction of unprecedented generosity” ended very sadly. Perhaps everything would be different if huge amounts of money sent to help “friendly countries” would be invested in the development of an empty and degrading Non-Black Earth region (for example).
      I already wrote about this confrontation, which is unnecessary for the USSR, in support of various regimes around the world recently, so I don’t want to lose time and pace of storytelling, stopping in each article to say more about it.
      1. VicktorVR
        VicktorVR 17 June 2020 10: 10 New
        +5
        It seems to me that the expenditures of the USSR (as well as the USA) on "fraternal regimes" cannot be directly estimated.

        In fact, these were (and are) "proxy wars".
        To paraphrase an anecdote about football, "Negroes fought with Negroes, and the USSR / USA won."
        And let blacks and blacks be better than Ukrainians and Ukrainians.
        1. iouris
          iouris 17 June 2020 10: 59 New
          0
          There are strong suspicions that the USSR belonged to the conditional Rockefeller and was used to collapse the old colonial system created by Britain and other "civilized powers" who "carried the burden of the white man." Any Negro knows that Russians are not old.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 June 2020 12: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: VicktorVR
          In fact, these were (and are) "proxy wars".
          To paraphrase an anecdote about football, "Negroes fought with Negroes, and the USSR / USA won."

          And sometimes in these proxy wars the USSR managed to remotely fight with ... the USSR (Ethiopian-Somali war). smile
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 17 June 2020 14: 18 New
            +4
            warspot.ru
            Paradoxes of the Ogaden War
            Alexey Statsenko 07 Jun '15
            After a visit to Ethiopia, Fidel Castro visited Somalia, trying to dissuade the warlike head of this country from his territorial claims, but did not find understanding from his African counterpart.
            And then Somalia found an ally where Ethiopia lost it. On July 15, 1977, in a planned speech, US President Jimmy Carter said the States were ready to provide military and political support to Somalia. In addition to the Americans, countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Pakistan expressed their willingness to help fellow believers.

            During the fighting, about 160 Cuban internationalist soldiers and 33 Soviet specialists died. On the side of Ethiopia, Yemeni motorized riflemen and marines, Israeli pilots also fought, and about twenty Pakistani pilots fought as part of the Somali Air Force. The losses of these parties to the conflict are unknown to the author.

            Soviet diplomats tried to pacify the Somali leadership, and then the USSR stopped supplying military equipment to Somalia and delivered to Ethiopia a 23-mm Shilka ZSU, a 57-mm ZSU-2-57, a S-125 Pechora and 2K12 Kvadrat air defense system.
            Somalia, after the defeat in this war, fell into the chaos of the civil war and is still there!
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 17 June 2020 19: 30 New
              +1
              "On the side of Ethiopia, Yimin motorized riflemen and marines, Israeli pilots fought," and from that moment on, more detail is desirable: we are used to the fact that Israel is always our enemy. So you were allies too?
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 17 June 2020 21: 22 New
                0
                Here is information from another article. Denying the participation of the Israelis on the side of Ethiopia!
                Rozin Alexander.
                The war of Somalia and Ethiopia in 1977-1978. and participation in it of the USSR.
                On July 26, two F-5A near Harar found four Somali MiG-21MF and two MiGs were shot down in an air battle, and two others collided while trying to avoid a missile launched from the F-5. Air battles were accompanied by propaganda battles. The next day, Ethiopian media trumpeted the whole world that 9 enemy planes, including 8 MiG-21s, were shot down by the valiant armed forces of Ethiopia. Somalis were not left in debt, saying in response that their Air Force had managed to bring down six F-5s. The Ethiopian side acknowledged the loss of three cars. On July 28, Ethiopian pilots on the F-5A gained new victories, one Somali MiG-21 was shot down, and four more MiG-21s shot down that day were not confirmed. On August 1, the F-5A in the battle with the AIM-9B missile damaged the MiG-21, and on August 3, the F-5A shot down the MiG-17.
                Such a brilliant success, given the more than double numerical superiority of the Somali Air Force over the Ethiopian ones before the outbreak of hostilities, provoked speculation in the Western press about Israeli pilots who piloted Ethiopian fighters. According to American and Israeli sources, in June 1977. a group of Israeli pilots arrived in Ethiopia to restore the Ethiopian Air Force. It is unclear whether it is a question of mercenaries, or of the pilots of the Israeli air force, "sent for an internship," since neither the names nor other details are known. All this raises doubts about the participation of the Israelis in the battles, especially since the Ethiopian authorities themselves deny the fact of their participation in the battles. Most likely, everything is simpler, the Soviet advisers had a hand in the victories of Ethiopian pilots. I must say that the situation for our aviation advisers was largely anecdotal. Think about it: they had to teach Ethiopian pilots flying on the F-5 to fight against the Soviet MiG-17 and MiG-21, which were armed with Somalia!

                It remains to ask our "Israeli friends" looking at VO!
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 17 June 2020 10: 16 New
        +3
        By "TV" I did not mean a receiver of TV signals, but the fact that your attitude to events was formed on the basis of information received from third parties, who also, often, received this very information already processed accordingly.
        1. VLR
          17 June 2020 10: 32 New
          +8
          Well, yes, I have not traveled to places of "military glory" of Merseners. And, to be honest, I don't feel much desire. For some reason, my daughter loves to travel around Africa. Last year I was in Uganda (liked it). And in this - in Senegal (she liked it too) and Gabon, which she called "the worst country in the world" (she didn't like people). In March, she escaped from Gabon three days ahead of schedule on the last plane to Istanbul - the country was closed because of Covid. And it was really scary, because for a white blonde girl being stuck indefinitely in Black Africa is not a good prospect.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 17 June 2020 10: 44 New
            +6
            For some reason my daughter loves to travel around Africa
            This is not surprising, since there is something to see. Fantastic nature, a huge number of peculiar cultures. However, traveling alone is not even a girl and not a blonde should be extremely cautious. The mass of ethno-confessional and territorial conflicts, the mentality of the local population, the availability of weapons, AIDS and a bunch of other vile local microbes that do not act on blacks and eat white instantly. In the USSR, before a business trip to Africa, they did a bunch of vaccinations. Now people do not even know what awaits them there .... Even the presence of a local guide does not guarantee serious adventures on the ass.
            1. VLR
              17 June 2020 10: 51 New
              +7
              I hope that after the Gabon adventures she will be more careful when choosing new routes.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 17 June 2020 11: 11 New
                +2
                The route really needs to be carefully monitored. And it is better to use the services of a decent local tour operator. Such are even in Africa.
              2. Astra wild
                Astra wild 17 June 2020 13: 46 New
                +4
                Valery, I personally would not recommend my daughter (I have boys) or my son alone to travel to Africa. I'm not a racist, but still a different mindset and culture. It is better to travel to civilized countries.
                However, they already absorb the culture of palm trees. There already before the fig carriers of this culture
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 17 June 2020 19: 34 New
                  +2
                  Did "civilized countries" jump directly from the palm tree?
                2. Alf
                  Alf 17 June 2020 20: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Astra wild
                  I personally would not recommend my daughter (I have boys) or my son to travel alone in Africa.

                  Do not go, children, to Africa for a walk ...
            2. Astra wild
              Astra wild 17 June 2020 13: 38 New
              +3
              Victor Nikolaevich, to you +: You probably were in Africa or at least carefully read and analyzed.
              You know how to analyze
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 17 June 2020 14: 46 New
                +4
                You probably were in Africa
                As Pierre Bezukhov said: “Repeatedly”.
              2. Alf
                Alf 17 June 2020 20: 08 New
                0
                Quote: Astra wild
                Victor Nikolaevich, to you +: You probably were in Africa

                I wonder which side? laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 17 June 2020 20: 32 New
                  +2
                  WickNick, not a military man. He is an engineer. But, if necessary, he can give turnips qualitatively, shoot and run, he can also, despite his 60s!
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 17 June 2020 20: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    WickNick, not a military man. He is an engineer. But, if necessary, he can give turnips qualitatively, shoot and run, he can also, despite his 60s!

                    Your message recalled an old Soviet joke about a tractor peacefully working in the field and the Chinese who attacked it. In the afternoon we plow, we attack at night.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 17 June 2020 20: 54 New
                      +1
                      Yes, of course, I also know this joke.
                      But, the man mentioned, half the world traveled by himself as an engineer.
                      The ability to "give a good turnip" was popular, mainly in bars, and shooting training was generally not in demand.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 17 June 2020 21: 00 New
                        +2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        the mentioned man, half of the world traveled imnno as an engineer.

                        Damn, I envy!
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        The ability to "give a good turnip" was popular, mainly in bars

                        Our person ! hi
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        and rifle training was generally unclaimed.

                        And thank God !
            3. Engineer
              Engineer 17 June 2020 14: 03 New
              +6
              Of course, God saves the safe.
              But during his visit to Africa, I met several Europeans traveling by "registration" and hitchhiking. People managed to cross the continent in a meridian direction. It is clear that I personally do not recommend such extremes.
              Familiar with the Russian climbs in the slums of Nairobi.
              Regarding vaccinations. Now only one is required - from yellow fever
              I updated from hepatitis A. From hepatitis B there was an acting
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 17 June 2020 20: 37 New
                +2
                Familiar with the Russian climbs in the slums of Nairobi.
                This is aerobatics !!!
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 17 June 2020 20: 51 New
                  +3
                  Plump and smoke nonsense with blacks in Nairobi
                  Search and find coke in the Dominican Republic and Cuba
                  These are all our compatriots.
                  However, he met four jerks from Germany immediately after school headed for South America. Climbed independently on Iquitos and its hot spots. Although there, even during the day, they strongly recommend not appearing without a guide
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 17 June 2020 21: 03 New
                    +3
                    German jerks, that's another story. This is who I hate, in the vastness of Europe, this is the modern "Hitler Youth"!
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 17 June 2020 21: 05 New
                      +3
                      I just visited Ibiza)))
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 17 June 2020 21: 14 New
                        +4
                        No, damn it, on the Costa Bravo! But the hotel room, little did not overlook "their" campus. And now I understand what, how and why their great-grandfathers worked in our country.
          2. Astra wild
            Astra wild 17 June 2020 13: 34 New
            +2
            Valery, I wouldn’t let my daughter go to Africa alone. However, I do not really understand those who give the last (I doubt it) to go abroad.
            1. VLR
              17 June 2020 13: 59 New
              +4
              She is now independent, lives far away and travels with her own money wherever she wants. Here is what she loves:

              And fearless: in the summer before the 11th grade, for about 10 times I jumped with a parachute - first from a height of 800 meters, then from 1000. And I had to do it 1 time: I didn’t like it: I fell face down for a few seconds, saw it approach the earth and physically felt the pupils dilate, and the landing was pretty tough.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 17 June 2020 20: 44 New
                +3
                You have a good daughter, Valery !!! I envy!
      3. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 June 2020 20: 41 New
        +3
        if huge amounts of money sent to help "friendly countries" would be invested in the development of an empty and degrading Non-Black Earth region

        Well, so the Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature provided for investments in the Non-Chernozem region, and Khrushchek Kukuruzny instead organized the disastrous virgin land and the support of African cannibals.
      4. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 17 June 2020 20: 47 New
        +1
        ВлР, it is possible to "buy the elite", but only when the money (with which you bought it) is in your banks. Explaining: USA bully "buys the elite" (for example, Ukraine wassat ) - $ with which the elites were bought are deposited in banks controlled by the USA - at any time bully can block and just take away $ ... That's the whole secret of loyalty to "American children of bitches".
        1. Alf
          Alf 17 June 2020 21: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: cat Rusich
          the usa "buys the elite" (for example, ukraine) - the $ which the elites were bought with are stored in US-controlled banks - at any time the usa can block and simply take away $ ...

          Somewhere this is a perfectly working condition I have already seen, and old Brzezinski somehow remembered again ...
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 17 June 2020 07: 51 New
    +5
    ... in 2016 they shot the heroic film "The siege of Jadotville" ("Siege of Jadoville") dedicated to these events.

    I, unfortunately, did not see this film, but I watched ours, absolutely idiotic, called "Black Sun" about the good Lumumba, bad white colonizers and absolutely disgusting scum mercenaries. One commander of the mercenaries under the name Freddie-Africa was worth what, the unfortunate Moller's surname was stolen and he was driven. In general, to all of us and then this film seemed like bullshit. Don't look at it, there is nothing to look at. laughing
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 17 June 2020 08: 28 New
      +9
      hi Konstantin! 1970 film! To such a picture and make a claim ...
      You can also write to "Rambo" and there are tons of angry comments written!
      There were no good specialists in the USSR (I think) on African peoples. Russia had no colonies there. So our local leaders perceived from their "Kremlin bell tower", like their own people. And they turned out to be very different.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 17 June 2020 09: 05 New
        +4
        Hi Aleksey! hi
        "Rambo" is a purely commercial project, especially the series about Nam and Afghan, everything for beating the bubble out of the people. And "Black Sun" is a purely ideological concoction, slapped exceptionally mediocre. And the reaction of the Soviet people to this craft can be judged by the behavior of our courtyard punks.
        City, evening, courtyard, suddenly a heart-rending cry is heard from the darkness: "Patrice Lumumba has been killed !!!", and then another echoes him: "And Antoine Gesenga !!!", and immediately a harmonious chorus of voices: "Well (censorship) with them!"
        The reaction of the people, but you can’t deceive him. Him that this film, Lumumba with Gezenga - everything is purple.
        Still, Remba wasn’t bullied so much by the team. smile
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 17 June 2020 11: 18 New
          +2
          At the same time, the anti-Soviet Rambo 3 in the American box office failed with terrible bang and noise
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 17 June 2020 13: 58 New
            +4
            And the second Rimbaud means not anti-Soviet and went to the box office with a bang?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 June 2020 12: 15 New
          +8
          Quote: Sea Cat
          City, evening, courtyard, suddenly a heart-rending cry is heard from the darkness: "Patrice Lumumba has been killed !!!", and then another echoes him: "And Antoine Gesenga !!!", and immediately a harmonious chorus of voices: "Well (censorship) with them!"
          The reaction of the people, but you can’t deceive him.

          Yes, our people are so ... even composed a song about Lumumba. smile
          Killed-killed hero Patrice Lumumba,
          And Congo was orphaned without him.
          His wife, beauty Pauline
          She didn’t want to live with another man.
          He was killed by the villain of the people of Tshombe,
          Dag Hammarskjöld sent him to business.
          And this news is instantly like a bomb
          The whole globe of the earth has already flown over.
          There was a rally at the Likhachev Plant,
          And at the factory "Red Proletariat."
          - Shame on you, villain of the people of Tshombe,
          And your sidekick, Mobutu with a black hare!
        3. hohol95
          hohol95 17 June 2020 13: 58 New
          +3
          Oh! It's a pity there are no American films about Samos and Batista!
          Also politically seasoned!
        4. Alf
          Alf 17 June 2020 21: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          "Rambo" is a purely commercial project, especially the series about Nam and Afghan, everything for beating the bubble out of the people.

          Not certainly in that way. Sam Peckinpah raised a very important issue and drew the population to the question that when a country needs it, it creates a soldier from a civilian person, and once he has done his job, the country does not even want to know him. Our "Afghans" had the same problems.
  6. Korsar4
    Korsar4 17 June 2020 08: 30 New
    +7
    A very provocative phrase: "Civilized peoples are not called forest."
    1. VLR
      17 June 2020 08: 40 New
      +6
      Isn't that so? For example, the "forest tribes of the Gauls" are one thing (and this wording does not bother anyone). And the County of Toulouse or the Duchy of Aquitaine is a completely different, different stage in the development of the ethnos.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 June 2020 10: 58 New
        +3
        Probably, I don't really like the division into "clean" and "unclean". A kind of cliché comes out.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 17 June 2020 09: 06 New
      +7
      Seryozha, tell this to Latvians and Estonians. laughing
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 June 2020 10: 11 New
        +4
        That was the first association.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 17 June 2020 20: 45 New
      +6
      Why is it so defiant? After the war, the Baltic states formed "forest brothers" until their foresters from the MGB were jailed.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 17 June 2020 21: 17 New
        +2
        Was this a stepping stone in the development of civilization?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 18 June 2020 08: 53 New
          +3
          Of course it was, but not up, but down
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 17 June 2020 21: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        here at the Baltic states

        I remember reading that before the collapse of the USSR they imported professors from the RSFSR.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 18 June 2020 08: 52 New
          +1
          They attracted her with salaries, because the locals were not in a hurry to master the technical sciences.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 18 June 2020 18: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Aviator_
            because the locals weren’t in a hurry to master the technical sciences

            This is what we are talking about.
  7. Avior
    Avior 17 June 2020 09: 49 New
    +1
    Movie actors noticeably differ from their characters in the first place, not by portrait resemblance - they do not have the rigidity in the face inherent in those whom they played.
    Approximately like a real Muller with his tenacious piercing, boring eyes and a darling Muller performed by Armor.
  8. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 12: 07 New
    +9
    I don’t know, for me these mercenaries are just bloody ghouls ready to shed blood for money. No matter what ideological candy wrappers they turn into - "protecting the white population", "fighting bandits" or something else - in fact, these are just professional murderers without an inner core, without convictions, without honor, except for such their corporate solidarity. With great pleasure I would have read or heard the news that all these "Dogs of War", "Wild Geese", "Black Water" and other producers of death for money, were shot, planted, hanged, in short, destroyed. But, unfortunately, for this, socialism must triumph in the world, and in everything and at once, but for now this is very far away.
    Thanks to the author for the article, although, in my opinion, it nevertheless strongly idealizes the image of a mercenary, romanticizes it. In fact, this is a dirty, bloody, cruel work, which involves those who deal with it either lacking moral principles as such or transforming them so deeply that the bearers of such principles can hardly call themselves people in the full sense of the word.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 17 June 2020 14: 18 New
      +4
      I know, for me, these mercenaries are just bloody ghouls, ready to shed blood for money.

      This is the standard mentality of any professional soldier.
      without an internal core, without conviction, without honor, except for their corporate solidarity.


      This is already a lot

      "Dogs of War", "Wild Geese", "Black Water"

      Terbats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Girkin associates, Wagner are all exactly the same phenomena
      But, unfortunately, for this, socialism must prevail in the world, and in everything at once, but for now it is very far

      Oops. Socialism is correcting the shortcomings of human nature. Michael, you are an idealist. Did not notice this aspect laughing
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 15: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Engineer
        Michael, you are an idealist.

        No, I just forgot to put a smiley. smile
        Quote: Engineer
        Terbats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Girkin associates,

        This is just ideological, as I understand it. Killing for an idea is not like for money, it’s more honest somehow, sincere ... Although it’s not easier for the killed. Well, plus, there’s still no way to get away from evaluating the very idea for which people kill and die - to whom are any ideas closer.
        With regard to Ukraine, since we touched on this topic, while those who for the idea jumped on the Maidan, those who for money shot them in the back - that’s their difference.
        Quote: Engineer
        standard mentality of any professional soldier

        It implies a willingness to shed blood for a salary that is paid to him, regardless of whether he participates in hostilities or not. His duty is service, not murder.
        The mercenary receives his reward for the result of his actions. Most often, this result is understood in one form or another as the killing of a certain number of people in the interests of other people. There is a difference, don’t you?
        Corporate solidarity cannot be considered a full-fledged idea, as it manifests itself exclusively where and when there are no other incentives for action or inaction, such as self-interest and (or) fear.
        As for capitalism and socialism, I do not hide that I partly sympathize with left-wing ideas, although I believe that in the current state of affairs in Russia they have no prospects. And in order for them to appear, something similar from 1917 is required (recall Ilyich - signs of a revolutionary situation), which I would not want either for myself or for posterity. Here is such a paradox.
        I can talk about the advantages of socialism over capitalism and vice versa for hours. But I do not believe even once that socialism will solve the problem of wars for mankind. smile
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 17 June 2020 15: 52 New
          +3
          It implies a willingness to shed blood for a salary that is paid to him, regardless of whether he participates in hostilities or not. His duty is service, not murder.

          Any soldier knows that the army exists only for war and he is preparing for it. War = killing.
          The mercenary receives a standard basic salary plus a bonus for the database. The approach is absolutely the same as that of a soldier.
          Corporate solidarity cannot be considered a full-fledged idea, as it manifests itself exclusively where and when there are no other incentives for action or inaction, such as self-interest and (or) fear.

          No. Espirit de Corps is a full-fledged ideology. A sense of ownership in the Airborne Forces, the mentality of medieval Swiss mercenaries is a phenomenon of the same order. The result is top performance.
          Read Hasford. Short-timers. His marines have no ideological justification for their innocence. There is a Bayonet Spirit. Bayonet Spirit is a murder
          Threat One of the heroes resonates:
          How to name the one who kills for pleasure? Sadist. And if for the money? Mercenary. And if both? Marine
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 05 New
            +4
            How to name the one who kills for pleasure? Sadist. And if for the money? Mercenary. And if both? Marine

            The question is in which country this marine lives ... And in which one it kills ...
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 07 New
              +2
              Within the framework of the current dispute, it does not matter.
              Michael contrasts the ethics of a soldier and the ethics of a mercenary (more precisely, he believes that mercenaries do not have it as such). And I consider them phenomena of the same order.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 11 New
                +4
                So for you the soldier protecting his land from the enemy and the mercenary who came to this land are equivalent?
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 13 New
                  0
                  A mercenary cannot defend his land from the enemy?
                  Can't a soldier take over someone else's land?
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 29 New
                    +4
                    A mercenary will protect his land only as long as he is paid! Then he can calmly either surrender or go over to the side of a more solvent employer!
                    And he is a soldier. Either fight to the end or surrender. You can desert. Everything, like everyone else.
                    But the termination of payment for soldiers is not considered force majeure and should not lead to their transition to the other side!
                    The battle of Klushin on June 24 (July 4), 1610.
                    Most of the mercenaries from the corps from the Delagardi corps: generally switched to the side of the enemy.
                    5000 mercenaries from the Delagardi corps: Swedes, Flemings, French, Germans, British and Scots).
                    As a result of the battle, 3000 mercenaries went over to the Poles!
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 43 New
                      -2
                      A soldier can also fight on the side of the enemy.
                      The difference is that the soldier of the national army has a moral and psychological barrier in the form of an oath, fear of punishment, etc.
                      Psychologically, a mercenary is much less constrained by such barriers. He is psychologically disinhibited. But the fighter of special forces is disinhibited in the same way.
                      1. hohol95
                        hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 45 New
                        +4
                        A soldier can also fight on the side of the enemy.

                        Can. For his he is a traitor!
                        And he is a mercenary mercenary.
                        And no one will consider him a traitor ...
                        He earns money.
                        So I found a more generous employer!
                        Market Laws ...
                      2. Engineer
                        Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 48 New
                        +2
                        And no one will consider him a traitor ..

                        He’s better not to be captured anyway.
                        The times of gallant wars are long over and the end for him will be much sadder than that of the poor fellow soldier. He is a criminal by definition. Therefore, his transition to the side of the enemy in modern conditions is extremely unlikely.
                      3. hohol95
                        hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 51 New
                        +2
                        The oldest example is that the oligarchs of Carthage thought they would defeat Rome by mercenary forces. And where is that Carthage?
                        The times of gallant wars are long over and the end for him will be much sadder than that of the poor fellow soldier.

                        Not everything is a carnival for the cat - there will be a great POST!
                      4. Engineer
                        Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 56 New
                        +1
                        But in fact, Rome defeated Carthage by mercenary troops)))
                        This is an offtopic, but the military structures of the two states were very, very similar
                      5. Liam
                        Liam 17 June 2020 16: 59 New
                        +2
                        Militarily, Rome was more centralized.
                      6. Engineer
                        Engineer 17 June 2020 17: 00 New
                        +1
                        Undoubtedly, but the similarities at one time simply shocked me.
                        The notorious contrast between the national army and the hired army vanished like smoke.
                        PS Where is Rome there and YOU
                      7. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 17 June 2020 21: 16 New
                        +2
                        Liam, Rome was ruled by a military aristocracy (a military career and the glory of a winner were above all), and Carthage was ruled by merchants (the richest merchants made up the supreme council, in other words). When Hannibal returned from Italy and asked for money to continue the war with Rome - he was refused, the traders decided to "negotiate" ... with Rome.
                    2. hohol95
                      hohol95 17 June 2020 23: 58 New
                      +1
                      Perhaps by the beginning of the Punic Wars it happened, but initially the army of Rome was built on the liable citizens of Rome.
                      warspot.ru
                      So the legions were created: a manipulative battle order
                      So the legions were created: the era of the Punic Wars and the sunset of the Republic
                      After the reform of Servius Tullius, the so-called “qualified constitution” was established in Rome, and the hoplite phalanx became the battle order of the Roman army.
                      ... thirdly, the extension of military duty to citizens, first I, then II and III, and finally IV and V property categories, which constituted the military class, that is, the army (classis) in the proper sense of the word - as opposed to not serving in the army to the proletarians (infra classem).
                      ... Polybius reports that all Roman citizens between the ages of 17 and 46 were required to make 20 military campaigns in the infantry or ten in the cavalry. In fact, military service covered approximately 10% of the adult population of military age. Even at the time of the greatest tension during the war with Hannibal, the Romans mobilized only 1/3 of the total number of military-liable citizens. Approximately the same appeal remained in the era of civil wars of the XNUMXst century BC.

                      It turns out that the army of Rome in the Punic wars was nevertheless based on the draft, and not on the mercenary principle of formation!
                      Unlike the army of Carthage!
                    3. Engineer
                      Engineer 18 June 2020 10: 50 New
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                      Not everything is so simple.))
                      Even at the time of the greatest tension during the war with Hannibal, the Romans mobilized only 1/3 of the total number of military-liable citizens.

                      Titus Livy writes that there were absolutely no warriors. After Cannes, the draft bar was lowered to 16 years. Two legions were formed from slaves !!!
                      Compare the Roman and Carthaginian armies.
                      The core of the army. Rome - officials from the citizens of Rome at command posts. The Romans also supplied legions. Carthage - Carthage officers at all command posts, but Carthage did not actually deliver a soldier. Nevertheless, Polybius mentions the Carthaginians in the second line of Hannibal at Zam.
                      Environment. The second most important in the Roman army were contingents from Latsium. They stood above all allies and were considered almost equal to the Romans. Almost full analogue among the Carthaginians was the contingents of the Nilephinian policies in Africa.
                      Next come the Italian allies of Rome - pizza, sumnits, Mars, lucans, etc. Their approximate counterparts will be the Spaniards and Numidians in the army of the Carthaginians.
                      Until now, a fairly strict division has been seen - conscripts from the Romans, soldiers on pay from the Carthaginians. But with the course of the war, this division became purely arbitrary. Rome lured the Numidians, mercenaries changed sides. 600 Cretan archers from the Romans passed to Hannibal and remained with him until the end of the division of victory and defeat. The entire campaign in Spain was marked by the struggle for Spanish soldiers. The betrayal of the Spaniards caused the death of the elder Scipios. The younger Scipio nevertheless enlisted the support of local tribes and took New Carthage. At the Battle of Zam, the Numidians fought on both sides. The second Punic war was the first in which Rome used large foreign contingents.
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 19 June 2020 19: 23 New
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            Quote: Engineer
            A soldier can also fight on the side of the enemy.
            The difference is that the soldier of the national army has a moral and psychological barrier in the form of an oath, fear of punishment, etc.
            Psychologically, a mercenary is much less constrained by such barriers. He is psychologically disinhibited. But the fighter of special forces is disinhibited in the same way.


            But the special forces soldier is also disinhibited - is that how it is? belay
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 16: 23 New
    +5
    I will still remain in my opinion. smile
    In my opinion, a soldier and a mercenary are a completely different psychology, and considerations arising from corporate solidarity are always secondary to others, such as self-interest and fear. Maybe somewhere once there were exceptions, when, for example, the same Swiss refused to hire against their fellow tribesmen, but these are, rather, really the exceptions, besides, they knew that there was still an employer for them and they don’t have money will lose.
    The main sign of ideology, in my opinion, is that it is it that is the determining factor in making important decisions (the wording is so-so, but let it be), and in the case of the corporate spirit, I do not observe this.
    But you really do not see the difference between a mercenary and a soldier, or just want to appreciate my argument? And then something begins to creep into my head the thought that I am caught on trolling like a Ladoga pike. smile
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 17 June 2020 16: 33 New
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      I will still remain in my opinion.

      "Your feedback is very important to us". Ironically, but quite small laughing
      Mikhail, ideology is an extensible thing and you can bring anything under it. And ideology can be anything.
      And the lack of a clear ideology for most soldiers is also a given. Who served will confirm. In such circumstances, the corporate spirit fills the vacuum.
      The corporate spirit of special forces and mercenaries is very similar because it is the spirit of war as such.
      that there’s still a tenant for them and they won’t lose money.

      The Swiss did not take prisoners for a very long time. This is a clear loss of money.
      But you really do not see the difference between a mercenary and a soldier, or just want to appreciate my argument?

      The difference is recorded in the Criminal Code and the documents of the Geneva Convention.
      The only question is the ethical and ideological aspects of the difference.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 17 June 2020 16: 49 New
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        The corporate spirit of special forces and mercenaries is very similar because it is the spirit of war as such.

        What is the spirit of war?
        Maybe I just use it to cover up simple worldly "weaknesses"!
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 17 June 2020 17: 02 New
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          This is a readiness for everything, including the so-called. "war crimes"
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 17 June 2020 20: 31 New
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            So with the appropriate "processing" the Germans, Hungarians and their other "friends" without any "mercenary" did what the devil in Hell became sick of!
            On our land!
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 17 June 2020 21: 10 New
              -1
              That's it. Therefore, the opposition of soldiers and mercenaries seems to me all the more artificial
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 17 June 2020 21: 16 New
                +2
                Every hussar is a bouncer!
                But not every bouncer is a HUSAR!
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 17: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Engineer
        The only question is the ethical and ideological aspects of the difference.

        They, these aspects, in my opinion, are significant.
        Entering military service to the state, a person relies mainly on ranks and awards, that is, on power and honor among his colleagues and fellow citizens, the salary is secondary, since it is relatively low. Entering the ranks of mercenaries, he relies primarily on material rewards, for him secondary power and honor, on his colleagues and fellow citizens, in general, do not care. With such discrepancies in basic aspirations, the basic ideology cannot be the same, even despite possible external similarities.
        There is one more point.
        You will not argue that most soldiers and officers, the army or navy, for example, of conditional Argentina do not care who to fight with, and any of them can easily go into the army, for example, of conditional Bolivia, without experiencing any kind of moral discomfort. .. A mercenary, by virtue of its nature, can easily change its employer and, without reducing its effectiveness, fight against those with whom it used to stand shoulder to shoulder. And this happens without any moral trauma, reflection, etc., since it corresponds to the original goal - to earn.
        However, if we consider the desire to earn money as an ideology, or at least its foundation (for example, why not?), Then we can say that you are right and that mercenaries have their own ideology. But only at the same time it will be necessary to state that it is still very peculiar and at the same time so flexible and plastic that it cannot be a supporting rod, a support for something.
        Personally, it seems to me that the psychology of a mercenary is much closer to the psychology of, for example, a professional athlete than a professional serviceman.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 17 June 2020 19: 07 New
          +3
          Entering military service to the state, a person relies mainly on ranks and awards, that is, on power and honor among his colleagues and fellow citizens, the salary is secondary, since it is relatively low.

          Michael, sorry, but idealism in its purest form. A soldier primarily counts on a salary package + pension + benefits + allowance. Long money
          A mercenary is counting on money here and now. Short money
          That makes all the difference
          without experiencing any moral discomfort.

          The spetsnaz will not experience any discomfort. "An order is an order." I communicated, I know.
          Both the Wagnerites and the GRU special forces and fur seals and black waters will not hesitate to torture the prisoner and then kill him if necessary to complete the database.

          For example, give an ethical assessment of the storming of Amin's palace and compare with the "wild geese" in Africa. If you want, you can still give legal to the heap.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 20: 28 New
            +2
            Denis, what’s the matter here ... Special Forces, although it is part of the army, does not determine the general state of affairs in it. I am talking about the army as a whole. It’s difficult for me to judge special forces, since I don’t have an extensive number of acquaintances who have passed this service, but those with whom I spoke did not impress any special people.
            Perhaps, and even for sure, there is some peculiarity in the special forces, but how much the general picture will change if we talk only about special forces, I don’t judge and would not enter into a discussion about this.
            As for conventional army units, I can judge that one more or less justifiably - many of my friends graduated from military universities and served, some still serve. As far as I know, not one of them, making the decision to connect his career with the army, did not plan and does not plan to make any substantial fortune in military service. And at the same time, he does not at all represent himself as part of the army of another state, even if the union.
            But, if you want, let's talk about special forces. smile
            Quote: Engineer
            The special forces will not experience any discomfort.

            To torture and cut the prisoner's throat? Most likely yes, otherwise what kind of special forces he is, they, in theory, should be trained in this.
            But if he is offered to go as an instructor to the army of a potential enemy - how many of them, these special forces, will agree to this with a light heart? And if it is offered to an entire division, what are the chances that the proposal will be accepted? And now, mentally address the same offer (to change the employer) to a mercenary or a group of mercenaries. I cannot imagine that the number of those who will agree to such "changes" among the military and mercenaries will be the same or even comparable. Yes, maybe I'm an idealist. smile
            Quote: Engineer
            ethical assessment of the storming of Amin's palace

            The assault on Amin’s palace is a routine operation carried out by a personnel military unit in accordance with command orders. Ethical assessment of the actions of the direct executors - fulfilled the order, well done. An ethical assessment of the actions of those who gave this order made a decision, brought it to the personnel, the decision benefited the country - well done. From a legal point of view, not everything is so impeccable, of course, but international public law (and in this case, no matter how we argue, you run into it anyway) is generally ambiguous in principle, since it completely lacks the principle of the rule of law. In addition, to be right, you must also be strong. Or obey someone strong, being under his protection. From the point of view of local laws, our specialists probably committed a crime, but who cares about these local laws in terms of international public law?
            Compare with "wild geese"? Hard. It seems to me that there is very little in common in these situations. In jurisprudence there is a concept of corpus delicti, which is divided, among other things, into objective and subjective sides. The objective side is actually an action or inaction, the subjective side is a person's inner attitude to what he has done. In this case, I see some insignificant similarity in the objective side and the complete absence of any similarity in terms of the subjective side. Does not compare. smile
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 17 June 2020 20: 42 New
              -2
              Special Forces is the quintessence of the army
              You charmingly circumvented the most acute moment of the storming of Amin's palace
              The man who shot Amin told me that the order was not to take Amin alive. By the way, at the same time in a shootout, Amin's son was wounded in the chest and died. I bandaged his daughter’s wound with my own hands - she was wounded in the leg. We left the palace, in which the carpets were soaked in blood and squished underfoot.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 17 June 2020 20: 47 New
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                Quote: Engineer
                the most acute moment of the assault

                Do you think this matters in the context of the discussion? It seems to me not, except for the final qualification in the local criminal code, which, in fact, did not bother anyone then, does not bother now. smile
                Quote: Engineer
                Special Forces is the quintessence of the army

                Elite. But judging by special forces about the army in general, it seems to me wrong ..
              2. Engineer
                Engineer 17 June 2020 20: 56 New
                +1
                Then I will give my ethical assessment.
                There is no difference between the assault on Amin and the attempted coup by mercenaries in Africa. Two pair of boots just one stepped into a puddle (mercenaries) and fouled.
                And a more global conclusion. C special forces and mercenaries are guided by their own special similar morality - corporate. Morality justifies their possible crimes and removes ethical issues in principle. "We are not asking, we are following orders."
              3. Alf
                Alf 17 June 2020 21: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Engineer
                "We are not asking, we are following orders."

                "Spetsnaz does not know pity and does not commit atrocities, spetsnaz is doing its job."
  • Catfish
    Catfish 17 June 2020 19: 40 New
    +3
    In my opinion, a soldier and a mercenary are a completely different psychology,

    Michael hi and who do you think is a contractor? I understand that when I served an urgent term in CA for 3p.80kop. per month, I really was a soldier and the Motherland paid me a purely nominal fee for me to defend it. (True, I personally did not give a damn about who to shoot); Now the professional core of our army consists of contractors, who are they? They are already fighting for money, what kind of homeland can there be somewhere in Syria? Those. doing the same thing that Wagner does in Syria. What is the difference in the chevron on the left shoulder?
    Irwin Shaw once wrote: "War is the most exciting occupation, because it most fully corresponds to the true nature of man, predatory and selfish."
    Perhaps this is precisely the case? smile
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 17 June 2020 21: 07 New
    +2
    Michael, can we ask a question - who is the "good uncle bully "who pays for the" work "of Wild Geese? are mercenaries, performers, and the customers are GOOD gentlemen who do charity work, only the $ that they" do not bite "is plundered with the help of the Dogs of War, which they keep on a" short leash. "
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 17 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    "I'm proud that Mad Mike still appreciates us" how can I not remember: "the cuckoo praises the rooster"
    1. VLR
      17 June 2020 20: 56 New
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      Well, to call "adrenaline junkie" Mike Hoare "a real fighter" is probably not "praise", but to tell the truth. smile
  • Operator
    Operator 17 June 2020 15: 17 New
    +6
    Damn, an amazing thing - the vast majority of the countries of black Africa until the 1960s never had their own states, lived in tribes and, at best, pointwise at least somehow joined the civilization of the European colonialists.

    Nevertheless, in each article about that period, the authors are genuinely surprised by the arisen situevina. Although what else could you expect from cannibals, broken into small tribes - the instant construction of a bourgeois or socialist society? The same Europe rose from tribal / tribal territories to the level of nations / states for about 500 years with stupidity, mercenarism and massacre according to the best African canons.

    In other words, the main thing is not skin color, but the current level of civilizational development. At the same time, the boundaries of our cultural and linguistic community must be strictly observed, otherwise it will be like in today's USA and France.

    PS The USA (before Vietnam) and the USSR (before Afghanistan) were beautiful - they fought among themselves with the hands of natives bully
  • vladcub
    vladcub 17 June 2020 20: 06 New
    +3
    "many detachments of mercenaries with similar emblems and names have appeared" it is his own fault: the patent office had to run away. And so "intellectual property" is stolen. "Here are the bastards" ("Wedding in Malinovka")
  • Vitas
    Vitas 18 June 2020 08: 44 New
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    DAS MESSER is a channel about the modern foreign Legion.
  • Corvus99
    Corvus99 18 June 2020 16: 34 New
    +1
    In the photo of Commando 5 fighters on the left, not Mike Hoar at all, but Lieutenant Dave Braham from Kenya.
    Commando 4 was called the Katanga gendarmerie unit.
    Commando-5, respectively, was formed by Mike not at the beginning of 1965., but in September 1964. Actually, formally it was the 5th foreign battalion of the ANC commandos (national army of the Congo).
    For a heap in a vulgar article, Denard was named a Navy major. He received officer rank only in the colonial gendarmerie in Morocco. He was fired from the Navy with the rank of second-class courier-master.
    Schroeder is not John, but George (or George).
    Mbumba did not participate in the rebellion of the mercenaries and was not a colonel .. At that time he was still the police commissioner in Kolwezi.
    Very sloppy articles.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 18 June 2020 17: 00 New
    +2
    - "Becoming a mercenary, you can see distant countries, meet interesting people ... and kill them!" (C) wink