The most dangerous "Buffalo" in the world. BTR Buffel

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Combat buses. If a competition for the worst armored car in stories, then Buffel, created by South African designers, would certainly compete in it for first place. Formally, this "Buffalo" from South Africa belongs to the class of MRAP - armored wheeled vehicles with mine protection. But in fact, in the 1970-1980s it was used by the South African military as an armored personnel carrier. Fortunately, the machine could easily transport up to 10 paratroopers in an armored body, which also makes it easy to include this model of armored vehicles in the series of articles “Combat buses”.

The creation of the Buffel armored vehicle


Speaking of wheeled armored vehicles of South Africa, it is necessary to touch on the country's history. For a long time, including after the end of World War II, the main supplier of arms for the then South African Union (South African Union, the name of the country until 1961) was Great Britain, which was quite logical. Thus, throughout the 1950s and 1960s, the British “Saracen” was the main armored personnel carrier of South Africa. However, the deterioration of relations with Britain, the policy of apartheid, the formation in 1961 of an independent Republic of South Africa, which left the Commonwealth, led to a cooling of relations between London and the former dominion.



South Africa had to quickly look for other arms suppliers, as well as develop its own military industry. Already then, in the 1960s, the stake was made primarily on wheeled vehicles. At the same time, wheeled armored vehicles were not only simpler in production, the theater of operations played a much larger role, replete with deserted impassability and sandy terrain. The country needed combat vehicles capable of operating effectively in the conditions of arid impassability. The sandy landscape forced to abandon the tracked chassis, which quickly wore out under such conditions. The stake was made on wheeled vehicles with high tactical mobility, maneuverability, speed, ease of maintenance and transportation in areas that were extremely poor on the railway. In these conditions, South Africa created the world's first wheeled infantry fighting vehicle Ratel, as well as a large number of wheeled armored personnel carriers and MRAPs, which still remain the hallmark of the state in the global arms market.


The development of new armored vehicles was seriously pushed by a major military conflict that went down in history under the name of the South African Frontier War. The fighting was conducted mainly in the territory of Angola and Namibia and lasted from 1966 to 1989. The fighting was accompanied by the widespread use of anti-personnel and anti-tank mines, as well as various improvised explosive devices, which prompted the South African military to create special armored vehicles that were well protected from mine explosions. The widespread use of mines was due to the fact that South African opponents chose the guerrilla warfare more suitable for them, since in an open battle it was extremely difficult to resist the regular army. Then the real headache of the South African military was the Soviet mines TM-57 (anti-tank mine with 6,5 kg of explosives), which were massively installed by rebels on the roads.

The new Buffel combat vehicle, commissioned by ARMSCOR in the 1970s, was a response to the challenges of the times and the threats that the South African army and police constantly faced. A 4x4 vehicle was built in a short time to meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense for an armored personnel carrier with mine protection. The combat vehicle was planned to be sent to the armament of the army units, primarily infantry. In total, about 2,4 thousand such combat vehicles were produced during production, which were also exported. For example, to Sri Lanka and Uganda. It is known that in the Sri Lankan army such fighting vehicles and their upgraded versions are still in service, and in South Africa by 1995 they gave way to a more advanced technique - the Mamba family of wheeled armored vehicles.

The new armored car, manufactured by ARMSCOR, got its sonorous name Buffel (in Boer language) in honor of the African buffalo, an animal, despite its herbivore, quite ferocious and even more terrible than a lion. Moreover, the APC itself also had a distant resemblance to a buffalo. In fact, it was the "Buffalo" that became the first successful armored car that was widely used by numerous army patrols. One of the main requirements of the military for the new machine was protection against undermining on the TM-57 anti-tank mine or its equivalent, detonated under the machine anywhere, as well as protection against undermining of two such mines under any of the wheels. And the designers from South Africa coped with this task.


Technical Features of the South African Buffalo


The designers took the chassis of an all-wheel drive truck as a basis for creating a new armored vehicle - a fairly common solution. Fortunately, a suitable copy was available - it was an all-wheel drive Mercedes-Unimog model 416/162. The use of a time-tested chassis not only positively affected the reliability and durability of an unusual armored personnel carrier, but also provided the machine with good tactical and technical characteristics, primarily mobility. It was also important that earlier on the Unimog chassis one of the variants of the mine truck had already been created, which received the designation Boshvark and released a small series of several dozen units.

The layout of the new armored vehicle, designed to transport 10 fighters, was as follows. At the front was a diesel engine. The driver sat higher and was located on the left side relative to the power plant. His workplace was located in an armored cabin, which was equipped with thick bulletproof glass in front and on the sides. There was one small door in the cockpit, as well as a hatch in the roof of the hull, which was either solid or double-leaf and could also be used for evacuation from a combat vehicle. To the right of the engine compartment on most armored vehicles was usually a spare tire. An armored body was installed right behind the driver’s cabin - it’s also the airborne compartment open on top. The case itself was made of steel armored plates by welding.

The landing compartment on the first versions of the armored car was open, while 10 soldiers with full equipment could easily accommodate in it. The soldiers sat with their backs to each other facing the sides of the hull. Each of the seats was equipped with seat belts and was designed taking into account the need to absorb the maximum possible energy in the event of a mine or IED explosion. On the first models with an open body over the seats, the designers placed a long longitudinal pipe, which was supposed to protect the landing in the event of a military vehicle coup, and also could serve as a handrail. An unsuccessful decision could include the landing / landing method. It was possible to leave the first armored personnel carriers only along the sides of the hull, on which special steps were located.

The most dangerous "Buffalo" in the world. BTR Buffel

Since the main mission of the machine was to protect the crew and the landing force from undermining, South African designers applied a number of solutions that are common today for all MRAPs. To disperse the shock wave during the explosion, the armored body at the bottom received a V-shape, which today is the hallmark of almost all armored vehicles with mine protection. The second noticeable feature of the armored car was the high ground clearance, and as a result, a high height - 2,95 meters. High clearance was also a necessary element of the mine clearance, since the effectiveness of the blast wave decreases with increasing distance traveled. Some sources claim that 500 liters of water, which could be poured into each of the wheels, provided additional protection against undermining.

The main emphasis during development was on protection against mines, while the body withstood shelling from a light rifle weapons and small fragments of shells and mines. For the conditions of a guerrilla warfare, this was enough, moreover, the most heavy weapons at the disposal of numerous rebels and soldiers of the liberation fronts were machine guns. The combat weight of the car did not exceed 6,14 tons. The maximum length of the APC was 5,1 meters, width - 2,05 meters, height - 2,95 meters. Altitude created additional problems with the stability of the improvised armored personnel carrier and its visibility on the ground. However, the latter factor did not play such a big role in the African theater of operations, where it was difficult to hide somewhere in a savannah as smooth as a table, but from a high object there was a better view, so the enemy could be detected earlier.

The first models were the original 6-cylinder diesel engines Mercedes-Benz OM352, which were later replaced with copies of South African production. The engine was paired with a gearbox providing the armored vehicle with 8 forward speeds and 4 reverse speeds. Engine with a maximum power of approximately 125 hp provided the combat vehicle with good speed characteristics. On the highway, such an APC accelerated to 96 km / h, and over rough terrain off-road it could move at speeds up to 30 km / h. A 200-liter diesel tank under the airborne squad was adjacent to a 100-liter water tank, which was vital for fighting in the African theater. The car had enough fuel to overcome up to 1000 km on the highway, which was an excellent indicator.


Most of the Buffalos had no weapons, but 5,56- or 7,62-mm machine guns were installed on parts of the vehicles. On some versions it was possible to notice the coaxial machine gun mounts covered with armored shields. Heavier weapons were absent.

Buffel Armored Car Upgrades


Quickly enough, the designers prepared two machine upgrades: Buffel Mk IA and Mk IB. The first model featured an improved engine and a redesigned bumper. On the second model, instead of drum ones, more advanced disc brakes appeared. At the same time, the designers and the military quickly realized that the option of leaving the combat vehicle through the sides of the hull is not the most ideal. And this is, to put it mildly, since the soldiers had to descend under enemy fire from almost three meters high.


Corrected this serious flaw in the modification of the Buffel Mk II, which received a completely closed landing compartment with a roof, in which the locking hatches were located. In this case, the main method of landing and disembarkation on this model was the door located in the aft armored plate of the hull. Also, based on this model, an armored cargo carrier was made, from the body of which all seats were dismantled. Such a truck could easily transport up to 2,6 tons of various cargoes, and was also used as a tractor for light guns.
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  1. -13
    18 December 2019 18: 03
    The armor area of ​​a dozen squares turret is just a visor shield.
    1. +29
      18 December 2019 18: 25
      C'mon, what's funny, a little funny is yes.
      So, the Jarans were able to make a budget MRAP for themselves using the chassis of a civilian car, and 2,5 thousand of them were riveted, which is bad for them.
      Our MRAPs are shown only at exhibitions, and the point is that they are prettier than this miracle.
      The armor area of ​​a dozen squares turret is just a visor shield.

      But our soldiers in ordinary trucks drive where one tarp is made of armor, in my opinion it is better on such a tarantine.
      1. +13
        18 December 2019 19: 12
        They didn’t just do Mrap, but they came up with it as a class. good
        1. +7
          18 December 2019 21: 46
          Hooray!!!!
          However, Captain Evidence claims that the first cars of this type appeared in the French. As a response to the mine war during the struggle of Algeria for its independence.
          The first production car delivered to the customer in 1959
          1. -1
            19 December 2019 12: 52
            I will be rude, alas. but IRL the first armored cars did sorry to the first world at that, in large series, and they still had underbody protection ....
            1. 0
              19 December 2019 12: 54
              Quote: Evil Booth
              first armored cars

              Here we are talking about armored objects protected from explosions on mines and IEDs
              They appeared after the Second World War.
              1. -1
                19 December 2019 12: 58
                IMHO this is a game with a pull on the ears of the new name of the old subject by the way by the way than BA10 is not mrap? and while its defense is worse, it’s worse to drive buffalo if both after the first anti-infantry there’s nowhere to go and mortality is also the same ... not here is buff clearly pronounced antiminnic current in grams its antiminosity down the drain. any one will put not 1 but 2 pieces of tol and all this buffalo will shatter into pieces. the same steep tiger will burst from ANY and every IED from ANY and every ammunition because they have long been weighing not 1 and 3 or 6 kg ...
          2. 0
            19 December 2019 23: 13
            Is there really a V about a different bottom? In my understanding, it is she who makes the light armored personnel carrier snuff, no?
            1. +1
              20 December 2019 08: 54
              Quote: tima_ga
              Is there really a V about a different bottom?

              The prototype of this French armored car without the "body kit"
          3. -2
            19 December 2019 23: 44
            MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. This is the materiel. fellow
            1. 0
              20 December 2019 08: 51
              Well, yes.
              But the car in the photograph did not exist.
              1. -1
                20 December 2019 19: 30
                1. Lopatov claimed that Africans were the first to convert a commercial car into an armored combat one. Then, as usual, the "best commentator" merged. wassat
                2. It was the Africans who invented MRAP. The Americans came up with the name. This is the materiel.
                1. +1
                  20 December 2019 20: 24
                  Quote: professor
                  It was the Africans who invented MRAP. The Americans came up with the name. This is the materiel.

                  Once again, the French car in the photograph did not exist?

                  You were asked a specific question, and instead of answering, as usual, you tried to chat him.
                  Not good.
                  Damn, this time I do not even demand links from you. I just ask if the Berliet / AMX mine protection machine shown in the photo existed.

                  Or do you begin to bustle out of habit?
                  1. -1
                    21 December 2019 10: 48
                    MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. This is the materiel. fellow
                    1. 0
                      21 December 2019 11: 00
                      That is, even the simplest question that does not require links, you are not able to answer. Q.E.D.
                      Classic landing in a puddle.

                      Further, I am not interested in looking at your attempts to deny reality by "not noticing" this reality.
                      1. -1
                        21 December 2019 11: 15
                        MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. This is the materiel fellow

                        PS
                        1920
                        MRAP wassat
                      2. 0
                        21 December 2019 12: 33
                        Quote: professor
                        PS
                        1920
                        MRA

                        As you do not want to answer the question ... So much so that you are ready to go for a direct forgery. Or do you have a link to the fact that "Jeffery" was protected from explosions by mines?

                        You are so predictable ....
                      3. -1
                        21 December 2019 14: 43
                        You, Shovels, never have links. However, the photo is not right tongue MCI despite the presence of all external signs such as flying wheels and a B-shaped bottom. In the photo is an ordinary armored car of 1920. And here is the MCI of 1916 ...
                        https://radikal.ru/lfp/a.radikal.ru/a11/1911/32/a12b693d1fb2t.jpg/htm

                        I look forward to your evidence that this is not MRAP. Joke. There is no evidence from you. Everything is described in Gauss law for you, and a diesel consumes less fuel than a hybrid. wassat

                        MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. This is the materiel.
                      4. 0
                        21 December 2019 14: 51
                        Quote: professor
                        You, Lopatov ........ are less than hybrid.

                        Blah blah blah blah ...
                        Once again, now you do not need to confirm your words with links, I am aware that you are incapable of this.
                        You need to answer a simple question. Was there a car in the photo.
                        But you turned out to be incapable of this either.

                        The drain has been read.
                        As required.
                      5. -2
                        21 December 2019 18: 39
                        MRAP 1916, MRAAP 1920. No one can prove that this is not MRAP. fellow
                        Nevertheless, the invention of MRAP is attributed to Africans. Deservedly. The name was invented by the Americans. The French are resting. Materiel, Lopatov, materiel. soldier

                        To prove to a person who knows only one distribution law out of 200 is not possible. In order to talk about higher mathematics, one must know at least arithmetic. But a troll like you can’t report anything at all. Yes and no. Such needs to be fed.
                      6. 0
                        21 December 2019 18: 48
                        Quote: professor
                        But a troll like you can’t report anything at all.

                        I don’t have to prove anything.
                        Just answer the question.
                        We already know that you are not giving links, everyone is obligated to take your word for it.

                        But this is just a small question, to which you can answer "yes" or "no" ...
                        The French car in the photograph did not exist?
                      7. -1
                        21 December 2019 18: 51
                        MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. No one has proven the opposite. Subject
                        closed. hi
                      8. +1
                        21 December 2019 18: 52
                        Quote: professor
                        MRAP invented by Africans. The name was given to him by the Americans. No one has proven the opposite. Subject
                        closed.

                        No, it is not closed. You have not answered the question.
                        Drain?
                      9. -1
                        21 December 2019 18: 55
                        Closed, Shovels, Closed.
                        Shabbat Shalom. hi
                      10. 0
                        21 December 2019 18: 57
                        Lopatov is in shock again today, and he is a corporate and special reaper
                      11. -1
                        21 December 2019 18: 59
                        Quote: Liam
                        Lopatov is in shock again today, and he is a corporate and special reaper

                        Ordinary troll. request
                      12. -1
                        21 December 2019 19: 36
                        Quote: professor
                        Ordinary troll.

                        Why do you constantly feed this one-button?
                      13. 0
                        21 December 2019 19: 38
                        Quote: littoral
                        Quote: professor
                        Ordinary troll.

                        Why do you constantly feed this one-button?

                        I do not feed, but feed. wink
                      14. 0
                        21 December 2019 19: 01
                        Quote: Liam
                        Lopatov is in shock again today, and he is a corporate and special reaper

                        Have you already proved that Gazprom received loans for the construction of the JV-2?
                        It didn’t work out.

                        Okay. I will ask you. Can you answer instead of "professor" whether this machine existed here:

                        And then he is shy.
                      15. 0
                        21 December 2019 19: 01
                        Quote: professor
                        Closed, Shovels, Closed.
                        Shabbat Shalom.

                        That is a drain.
                        As usual.
        2. -1
          18 December 2019 21: 46
          pros and how much does the Euroarmy need this device in massive quantities
          1. +1
            18 December 2019 21: 58
            I really need it.
            Allows to save the resource of normal military equipment during "stabilization operations" and other counter-terrorist and counter-insurgency activities.
            1. 0
              18 December 2019 22: 02
              shovels this is for the national guard and special forces limited but not for linear parts
              1. +3
                18 December 2019 22: 06
                Quote: Ryaruav
                shovels this is for the national guard and special forces limited but not for linear parts

                According to the mind, such cars should have been provided beyond the state, for example, during the Chechen wars. In order not to kill the resource of very expensive infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Which could be sent after the "active phase" to the PPD
      2. KCA
        -1
        18 December 2019 19: 24
        If these are ordinary tarpaulin trucks, then I don’t understand anything in this life:
        Ural-63095U
        Ural-63099
        KAMAZ-63098
        KAMAZ-63969
        KAMAZ-53949
        KAMAH-4386
        1. +5
          18 December 2019 19: 36
          I did not say that they are not, there are, but mainly in exhibitions, in the troops there is such a minuscule that consider that there aren’t.
          1. 0
            18 December 2019 21: 52
            Quote: Sergey_G_M
            in the troops there is such a minuscule that consider that not.

            Because, at least for now, we did not have units in automobiles. Only on BMP and armored personnel carriers.
            And if they rode on trucks, it was only forced. For example, a regiment on an infantry fighting vehicle, and only one and a half BRDM reconnaissance can accompany a convoy
            Well, the VVshniks had quite a lot of "Pokemon", so they were definitely not dragged around exhibitions, but used.
          2. KCA
            0
            19 December 2019 00: 44
            Somewhere besides Syria, our troops are participating in hostilities? So Syria is just on the Typhoon and move, and to take the tanks of porridge to the battalion, which is at the field exit, it is necessary to drive an armored convoy, accompanied by helicopters? If you need to smoke terrorists or criminals, armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers are also located
            1. +1
              19 December 2019 23: 17
              Machines like MRAP would be useful to us in Afghanistan
              1. KCA
                0
                20 December 2019 05: 35
                The armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles did not help, on modern armored vehicles they pay a lot of attention to mine protection, but somehow I can’t believe the ads, where different MRAPs can withstand explosions of 6-7-9 and even 10 kg of TNT, 10 kg the tank unloads and the tank is thicker, Yes, even if the bottom does not break due to the shape, it will scatter the blast wave, inside the stuffing will be
      3. -2
        18 December 2019 23: 29
        When I read "unimog ...", I slightly fell into a stupor. Initially, looking at the picture, I thought it was based on some kind of mining dump truck!)))
    2. +2
      18 December 2019 22: 04
      Quote: Evil Booth
      RZhU in a voice.

      It depends on what you compare it to.
      Here is FRGshny
  2. -5
    18 December 2019 18: 05
    Throw a couple of VOGs into the body hi
  3. -6
    18 December 2019 18: 09
    Something related to the Khokhlobronetankah laughing
  4. -9
    18 December 2019 18: 24
    Against spears and arrows completely. But not more.
    1. +9
      18 December 2019 18: 27
      There, the main threats were mines and ambushes with rifle shooting.
      Moreover, the mines are rather weak at first
      1. +15
        18 December 2019 19: 36
        Such a car blew up in Iraq - a wheel flew off and damaged the bridge. The crew remained unharmed. "Buffalo" HELPED out of the minefield and the next morning began to work.
        If such a machine were in the USSR, many children in Afghanistan would have survived.
        1. 0
          18 December 2019 21: 53
          Kolya is what minefields are you going to travel in as part of a motorized rifle division
        2. +2
          18 December 2019 22: 34
          Quote: knn54
          If such a machine were in the USSR, many children in Afghanistan would have survived.

          Completely different tvd.
          Mountains and flat terrain.
          Different tactics of military operations and different requirements for technology.
          1. 0
            19 December 2019 23: 22
            There were many Svu on the roads of Afghanistan and the use of mrap in a column instead of an armored personnel carrier was quite justified both on the plain and in the mountains. American experience confirms this
            1. +2
              19 December 2019 23: 27
              Quote: tima_ga
              There were many Svu on the roads of Afghanistan and the use of mrap in a column instead of an armored personnel carrier was quite justified both on the plain and in the mountains. American experience confirms this

              I'm a little about something else. Mrap Mrap mines.
              The buffalo was created for South African specifics.
              He has nothing to do with such a high center of gravity in the mountains.
              1. 0
                19 December 2019 23: 45
                In this regard, I agree
        3. 0
          19 December 2019 11: 38
          In Afghanistan there were already DShKM, I am silent about RPGs, he is good Bufol so far there is nothing larger than 7,62
        4. 0
          19 December 2019 13: 09
          am e and lope weighed by mines of spirits and what kind of USA sent them wagons to them? about a simple substitution of mines for ptrk would occur if the armor of the bottom was successful? and then what to do with heaps of all kinds of facts such as the fact that you need to double the actual mass of armored personnel carriers from 2 to 9 tons in order to put a mine under it and lay not 18 but 1 kg? what to do with the loss of all other combat qualities by virtue of just the layout, not counting the mass (it doesn’t swim a lot of pieces a lot of fuel expensive a little fire shaft there are few seats from protected bullets).
      2. -1
        18 December 2019 21: 50
        and where is the RPG for these sheds death and 10-12mm of armor like paper, all built these machines and now they are trying to sell
        1. 0
          19 December 2019 13: 10
          hi the Internet does not tolerate
    2. 0
      18 December 2019 22: 18
      It is for moving in the setting of mines
      ..... and random shelling.
  5. +1
    18 December 2019 18: 35
    If the figures of the first photo are figuratively superimposed on the body, then it is not very clear how it "calmly transported up to 10 carcasses" in this very body.
    1. +3
      18 December 2019 23: 35
      Count the number of seats:
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 10: 15
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Count the number of seats

        Yes, I saw the photo. But given the overall size of the pepelats in length of 5,10 m, something very little space remains for each fighter, and even with full equipment.
        1. 0
          19 December 2019 23: 25
          Better in close quarters than without protection, and if two were standing at the machine guns, then they were already sitting a little freer. Plus, in those years, the fighters were not "thickened" with armor and unloading - an assault rifle and a pouch ... But if there is a machine gunner or a grenade launcher in the squad, it is a bit cramped.
          1. +1
            21 December 2019 22: 00
            - Not really ... Here is a sample of the equipment of the army of the Republic of South Africa:

            - These are the Rhodesian Scouts of Cellus in running shorts and gym shoes ...
            1. 0
              22 December 2019 19: 15
              Yeah, with such a backpack and cramped there
  6. +2
    18 December 2019 18: 57
    Well, the local Abarigines are generally good at driving Kalash of varying degrees of ushatony. Although a terrible horror already)))
  7. +6
    18 December 2019 19: 32
    A little cramped cabin-aquarium for the driver is a little fun.
    Grandmother in the window ...
    But, let's honestly admit, this model is not for escorting tank wedges to the roar of the cannonade.
    And for trips of Negro police in the dangerous area of ​​Soweto.
    By Senka and a hat ...
    1. +7
      18 December 2019 19: 49
      Initially, all the same, for the trips of the white military and police :) And their main opponents are bandit groups and partisans who like to mine everything that looks like roads. Those. what you ordered and received.
  8. +2
    18 December 2019 19: 54
    Thanks to the author for the material! But ..... what an unpretentious rattletack by sight .....)
  9. +3
    18 December 2019 20: 18
    Extremely dumb machine looks! smile
    However, it was the designers and military customers of South Africa who attended to the anti-explosive layout and protection. So much for Africa! wassat
  10. 0
    18 December 2019 20: 38
    Buffalo has taken its niche. In the top photo, as I understand it, the soldiers of the Sri Lankan army.
  11. -2
    18 December 2019 21: 26
    The designer was clearly inspired by the Belarus tractor. Well, a lot of heavy alcohol. But what do they insist on? I would also like to be in that reality.
  12. +2
    18 December 2019 21: 34
    The original machine. Thanks to the author for the article!

    The APC is really terribly ugly. Damn reminiscent of a dump truck. And for some reason, agricultural, with fertilizers, from those that are unloaded on one side. laughing
  13. 0
    18 December 2019 21: 55
    Quote: Spade
    Hooray!!!!
    However, Captain Evidence claims that the first cars of this type appeared in the French. As a response to the mine war during the struggle of Algeria for its independence.
    The first production car delivered to the customer in 1959


    Therefore, this type of machine was invented by the French, and "MRAP as a class" was cataloged by the Americans. Apparently, to deceive contract partners.
    1. -1
      21 December 2019 21: 16
      Quote: Spade
      Quote: Spade
      Hooray!!!!
      However, Captain Evidence claims that the first cars of this type appeared in the French. As a response to the mine war during the struggle of Algeria for its independence.
      The first production car delivered to the customer in 1959


      Therefore, this type of machine was invented by the French, and "MRAP as a class" was cataloged by the Americans. Apparently, to deceive contract partners.


      And what is it in the photo of 1920 with a V-shaped bottom and flying wheels?
      https://c.radikal.ru/c10/1911/af/58b0b0240838.jpg
      Therefore, machines of this type were invented by the Americans and the "MRAP as a class" was cataloged by the Americans. wassat
      1. 0
        21 December 2019 21: 20
        Quote: professor
        And what is it in the photo of 1920 with a V-shaped bottom and flying wheels?
        https://c.radikal.ru/c10/1911/af/58b0b0240838.jpg
        Therefore, machines of this type were invented by the Americans and "MRAP as a class" was cataloged by the Americans

        Did you answer the question up there?
        Or continue to defend your inalienable right to unsubstantiated allegations?
        1. -1
          21 December 2019 21: 26
          Unsubstantiated statements are your thing, CEP. I, according to your "logic", made the Americans the inventors of the MRAP. Do you have a link that this is not an MRAP? That it is not designed to protect it mines? That's it. request
          1. 0
            21 December 2019 21: 31
            Quote: professor
            Unsubstantiated statements are your thing, CEP. I, according to your "logic", made the Americans the inventors of the MRAP. Do you have a link that this is not an MRAP? That it is not designed to protect it mines? That's it.

            This is all clear, but when will you answer the question?
            1. 0
              23 December 2019 11: 37
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: professor
              Unsubstantiated statements are your thing, CEP. I, according to your "logic", made the Americans the inventors of the MRAP. Do you have a link that this is not an MRAP? That it is not designed to protect it mines? That's it.

              This is all clear, but when will you answer the question?

              I have already answered and repeatedly. Africans came up with MRI. The Americans came up with a name. This is for everyone. However, Americans invented MRI for you back in 1920. Here is his photo.

              Let’s refute that this is not Mrap. I'm going for popcorn. wassat

              PS
              In the photo, a mock-up of an armored truck 6x6 GLC Berliet avec carrosserie Lorraine or just Berliet Lorraine. What does it have to do with MRI?
              1. 0
                23 December 2019 11: 40
                Quote: professor
                I have already answered and repeatedly.

                Lying is not good.
                This is not an answer to the question of whether the machine depicted in the photographs existed.
                1. 0
                  23 December 2019 12: 11
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: professor
                  I have already answered and repeatedly.

                  Lying is not good.
                  This is not an answer to the question of whether the machine depicted in the photographs existed.

                  There was a layout and prototype. The photograph is exactly the layout. Such a machine did not exist in the troops. Things didn’t go further than testing.

                  PS
                  On photo layout armored truck 6x6 GLC Berliet avec carrosserie Lorraine or just Berliet Lorraine. What does it have to do with MRI?
                  request
                  1. 0
                    23 December 2019 21: 51
                    Quote: professor
                    In the photo mockup

                    In your opinion, there is a layout on one and the second photo. Therefore, in your opinion, this machine did not exist. Therefore, there can be no protection against mines, which was written on VO by the author "Alex Alexeev". The layout is the same.
                    Accepted.
                    See how simple it was. and you pulled for so long ...

                    I will not ask you to confirm your opinion with links. I know you can’t.
                    1. 0
                      24 December 2019 08: 20
                      Quote: Spade
                      In your opinion, there is a layout on one and the second photo. Therefore, in your opinion, this machine did not exist. Therefore, there can be no protection against mines, which was written on VO by the author "Alex Alexeev". The layout is the same.
                      Accepted.
                      See how simple it was. and you pulled for so long ...

                      In the photo, it’s the layout or prototype (depending on your knowledge of French). The question is valid: What does it have to do with MRI?

                      We will laugh about the "first production car" later. wassat
  14. +2
    18 December 2019 23: 22
    Against the "natives" with "Kalash", "Buffalo", the predator. "For the" aboriginal "with the RPG-7, trained in the sabotage camp -" Buffalo "prey.
    1. 0
      19 December 2019 12: 32
      For an "aboriginal" with an RPG-7, trained in a sabotage camp - "Buffalo" prey.

      For RPGs and BTR-80 production. The question is personnel survival. There are more chances to survive than in BMP-1,2.
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 23: 30
        First of all, the survival rate of the explosion. And neither RPM nor armored personnel carrier nor BMP will save from RPG
  15. 0
    18 December 2019 23: 31
    Thank you for the article. Very original South African technique.
    1. 0
      21 December 2019 22: 31
      - Well ... G9 Rhino and there - howitzer on wheels, Roojikat - wheeled tank, Ratel - heavy armored personnel carrier ... old man Eland Mk5,
  16. +4
    18 December 2019 23: 46
    This is a monster! Constructivists and abstractionists bite their elbows with envy. And I like this car, there is something brutal in it. In addition, the Yuarians know what they are doing, and their weapons and equipment have always been at the world level, De Beers sponsored and had enough money. And the brains of the white part of the population, too, were the first to think of such a machine.
    Thanks to the author for his sensible presentation. hi
  17. sen
    +1
    19 December 2019 06: 01
    The main advantage of such an armored car is a V-shaped bottom against mines and land mines. Then such a bottom appeared in the English MLV. Now almost everyone has it. The alternative is a three-layer thick.
    The disadvantage of this armored car is its high center of gravity. Accordingly, poor stability.
    1. 0
      21 December 2019 22: 14
      - He poured water into each tire, and even tanks with solarium and water were located in the bottom - a tumbler was obtained ...
  18. +1
    19 December 2019 07: 28
    well done in that they were able to quickly build a car for needs and it satisfied them, the rest is secondary
  19. 0
    19 December 2019 10: 26
    Mad Max approves good cool device.
  20. -1
    19 December 2019 10: 42
    For the 80s, as it is now customary to say in Russia, it has no analogues in the world! People cared about protecting the soldiers from mines. Is there anything in the military units of Russia that keeps undermining an anti-tank mine? As they rode on armor for fear of undermining, they will ride. And the price of bmp, armored personnel carriers that will not save from undermining, I think is more expensive than this unit. Well, who writes about RPGs, which armored vehicle in our army holds RPGs? Maybe bmp, bmd, armored personnel carrier or kamaz with the urals ??? ...... Look in the internet for such armored personnel carriers in Yemen being blown up by a mine, lying on their side, and after a short time, soldiers climb out and run to cover. The Hussites filmed, there were no dead inside. And why people write malicious comments is not clear. Probably sure that they will never have to go to domestic technology where there may be mines. Otherwise, they would write differently ...
    1. 0
      19 December 2019 11: 27
      They wrote about RPGs because of the large projection of this unit, it’s stupidly easier to get into it than in an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle, another thing is that it was used where you can’t get a shot from an RPG, and they did not confront very well trained soldiers .. This is a specialized technique for narrow theater, we don’t have such a climate, and the enemy is much more literate .. It’s like fighting with semi-artful Palestinians everything is ok as soon as there are less specialists from Iran, oh .. We need MRAPS on condition that it’s cheaper and possess bo a lesser resource at a lower cost of operation, how to combine this open but solved issue.
  21. +3
    19 December 2019 12: 37
    Buffel is a legendary car in fact, a symbol car.

    But the author should have mentioned that it was made under the great influence of white refugees from Rhodesia, where similar semi-artisanal equipment was in service.

    Another nuance is mines. Two TM-57 under the wheel, in my opinion, it became mainstream just after the appearance of Buffel, when the Namibians and Angolans found out that Buffel's crew survived a blast on one. Then there was "Kasspeare" with its 21 kg TNT under any of the wheels. Although I will not argue here.

    Unimog was not Unimog, but his southern African clan clan.

    But these are trifles already, the article is good.

    Fans dream up about RPGs - the car was created for another war and in it it paid off.
    In the bush, do not shoot RPGs, 12,7mm DShK in the heat on the savannah on the hump for a hundred or two km do not vilify.
    We look



    The distances are pistol.

    RPGs there, nevertheless, were used, but to a limited extent. And they were not the main problem.

    But the height of the car and the open top made it possible to conduct dense fire on top of the undergrowth from the wheels.
    1. 0
      19 December 2019 13: 13
      so it .. ptr weighs the drain that it was worn and straight norms and there it already 14,5mm breaks everything and everyone diagonally from a kilometer or two and through the grass, too, with a couple of hundred parts the bullet will deviate)
      1. 0
        19 December 2019 13: 26
        Yeah, only the range on which at least something is visible in the bush is 5-30 meters.
  22. 0
    19 December 2019 12: 51
    Quote: Sergey_G_M
    But our soldiers in ordinary trucks drive where one tarp is made of armor, in my opinion it is better on such a tarantine.

    so these are YOUR problems)) ours go to the BTR82a and BMP3 even to the T-15 but in general they ride on foot and fight at all while lying down. transportation is a difficult thing; mainly railway trains do the weather there.
  23. 0
    19 December 2019 13: 11
    Quote: glory1974
    there are more chances to survive than in BMP-1,2.

    why and in what situations and what will happen if the enemy insidiously uses anemine tanks? Tell me nothing?
    1. -1
      21 December 2019 21: 21
      Quote: Evil Booth
      Quote: glory1974
      there are more chances to survive than in BMP-1,2.

      why and in what situations and what will happen if the enemy insidiously uses anemine tanks? Tell me nothing?

      This papelac is not for the battlefield, this is a taxi. It does not collide with tanks.
      1. 0
        22 December 2019 07: 25
        tongue Q.E.D.
  24. 0
    20 December 2019 00: 21
    And how else have your legs not been broken?
  25. 0
    21 December 2019 22: 08
    - This machine had several modifications, including for the installation of 30 mm. automatic cannon "Bushmaster", or for the installation of a mortar ... And in this version, she could not weakly scold the Afro-rebels ...
    - The tall building was rather an advantage - the steppe is further visible ...
    - There are some other features there ... 6 years ago there was an article.
  26. -2
    26 January 2020 16: 42
    uhahaha-flea. not so long ago laughing
  27. 0
    14 February 2020 21: 57
    They all steal from us.
    I do not know how to insert pictures, but look for the SSH-75.
  28. 0
    18 February 2020 22: 14
    And he really looks like a buffalo for a reason he was called so