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OT-64 SKOT. Armored personnel carrier that surpassed the BTR-60

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"Combat buses". The most famous armored personnel carrier of the eastern block is considered to be OT-64 SKOT. This combat vehicle was its own view of the wheeled armored personnel carrier of socialist Czechoslovakia and Poland. At the same time, most of the military equipment used by the armies of the Warsaw Treaty countries was Soviet, but some models were also created locally. It would be strange if Czechoslovakia had not used the country's existing industrial potential to produce its own military equipment.


Development of a wheeled armored personnel carrier OT-64 SKOT


The creation of a wheeled armored personnel carrier with amphibious properties in the countries of the eastern bloc began at the turn of the 1960's. Czechoslovakia's industrial enterprises joined the creation of the new combat vehicle: the Tatra and Prague plants, which were responsible for the development of the chassis and transmission, and Poland, whose enterprises were engaged in the production of hulls and weapons.

It is worth noting that the developed industry of Czechoslovakia, which even before the start of the Second World War managed to arrange the production of a huge range of weapons, including tanks, retained its potential. In the post-war years, the country deployed the assembly of an adapted version of the half-tracked German armored personnel carrier Sd.Kfz. 251, the Czech version received the designation OT-810. From 1958 to 1962, about 1,5 thousand such armored personnel carriers were produced in the country, the main visual difference from which of the German vehicles of the Second World War was the presence of a completely closed hull, there was a roof over the airborne squad.


BTR-60PB

The new wheeled armored personnel carrier was created, inter alia, to replace the half-track OT-810. Moreover, by that time in Czechoslovakia there was already a license for the production of the Soviet tracked BTR-50P, which received the designation OT-62. The niche of tracked armored personnel carriers was closed, but there was still a wheeled vehicle, which was promising and had obvious advantages: the chassis is more reliable and simpler than tracked armored personnel carriers; such equipment is easier to repair and maintain, even in the field; speed and range are higher than tracked counterparts.

The creation of an armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula 8x8 in Czechoslovakia began at the end of the 1959 year. The Soviet armored personnel carrier BTR-60, which was developed in the USSR from 1956 to 1959 a year, had a great influence on the designers of the countries of the Eastern bloc. The design and chassis of the OT-64 SKOT armored personnel carrier (SKOT is an abbreviation for the phrase in Czech and Polish “medium wheeled armored personnel carrier”) was clearly inspired by Soviet work on the BTR-60, but with some external similarities, the vehicles were significantly different from each other. The first large-scale tests of pre-production vehicles took place already in the 1961 year, and by October 1963 of the year the new armored personnel carrier was completely ready and put into serial production. Deliveries of serial armored personnel carriers to the armies of Poland and Czechoslovakia began in the year 1964.

Serial production of the new combat vehicle lasted from 22 October 1963 year to July 1971 year. In total, approximately 4,5 thousands of OT-64 SKOT armored personnel carriers left the factory workshops in several versions. Of these, about two thousand armored personnel carriers entered service with the Polish army. And a little less than a third of the produced armored personnel carriers were exported. For example, in the 1968 year, 200 ordered such APCs from Egypt, and the next year, India ordered 300 vehicles.

Technical Features OT-64 SKOT


Although the features of the Soviet BTR-60 were guessed in the new armored personnel carrier, even the appearance of the vehicle had noticeable differences. For example, on OT-64 SKOT, the intervals between the first and second and third and fourth axes were equal. There was a greater distance between the second and third axes. At the same time, the aft body armor plate had a backward inclination of the armor, as was realized on the last version of the famous German Sd half-track armored personnel carrier. Kfz 251 Ausf.D. Also, it was in the stern armored plate that the designers arranged the doors through which the motorized riflemen left the airborne compartment. The bow of the combat vehicle was also distinguished, which had a characteristic wedge-shaped shape with a lower armor plate, which was less inclined to the vertical than the upper armor plate.

OT-64 SKOT. Armored personnel carrier that surpassed the BTR-60

The body of the Czechoslovak armored personnel carrier was produced by welding from steel armored plates with a thickness of 6 to 13 mm, providing the vehicle only with bulletproof armor. For their offspring, designers from Czechoslovakia and Poland chose the following layout. In the front of the case there was a control compartment with the seats of the commander of the car and the driver, who had at his disposal a night vision device. Behind the control compartment was the motor-transmission compartment. In this case, the most part of the middle and aft part of the hull was occupied by the airborne squad. Up to 15 fighters could be accommodated here, one of whom was an operator of weapons and sat on a special height-adjustable chair, the rest sat on reclining benches along the sides of the hull facing each other. To exit, they could use both the rear double door and two large sunroofs in the roof of the car body.

The heart of the combat vehicle was the X-NUMX-cylinder air-cooled Tatra engine model T-8-928 located in the MTO, delivering maximum 14 horsepower. The engine was paired with a semi-automatic gearbox manufactured by Praga-Wilson (180 + 5). The engine power was enough to disperse an APC with a combat mass of 1 tons to a speed of 14,5-95 km / h when driving on a highway, while the cruising range was up to 100 km. An armored personnel carrier moved on the water due to two propellers installed in the rear of the hull, and a special water-repellent shield was located in front of it. The maximum speed of the car on the water was 740-9 km / h.


All the wheels of the combat vehicle could be driven, the first two pairs of wheels were steered. In this case, the four-wheel drive was pluggable, the BTR could work in 8x4 and 8x8 modes. A feature of the machine was the presence of a centralized tire pressure control system, which was available to the driver. When changing road conditions, the driver could always change the tire pressure to increase the patency of the car, as well as pumping the wheels as a result of damage, for example, in combat conditions.

The first version of the armored personnel carrier had no weapons and was used only as an armored transporter for transporting infantry. Then, almost all versions began to install a circular rotation tower, similar to the one that was placed on the BRDM-2 and BTR-60PB / BTR-70. The main weapons in this version were the 14,5-mm heavy machine gun KPVT, paired with the 7,62-mm machine gun PKT.

Rating armored personnel carrier OT-64 SKOT


The OT-64 SKOT armored personnel carrier was in all respects a successful combat vehicle for its time. Released by a series large enough for European countries, this all-wheel drive amphibious armored personnel carrier remained in service with the Czechoslovak and Polish army for a long time, and was also in demand on the international arms market. Even during the existence of the Eastern Bloc, it was exported to 11 states, competing with Soviet-made equipment. The second peak of export supplies came already in the 1990 years after the collapse of the socialist camp, when military equipment that was in service with the armies of the Warsaw Pact countries surged for export, which was of interest to many developing countries.


Creating a new combat vehicle, engineers from Czechoslovakia definitely relied on the Soviet experience with the creation of the BTR-60, but managed to make an even more interesting vehicle that surpassed its Soviet counterparts in some respects. First of all, OT-64 SKOT surpassed Soviet cars from a technological point of view. The heart of the armored personnel carrier was a diesel engine, which was borrowed from the Tatra-138 truck. The use of a diesel engine increased the fire safety of the machine. In addition, the Soviet BTR-60 used a spark of two gasoline engines, while the OT-64 had one diesel engine, which reduced fuel consumption and increased cruising range. Another obvious advantage was the simplification of the design of the armored personnel carrier, as well as its maintenance and repair.

The OT-64 SKOT also had the advantage of better armor protection, although the differences in the thickness of the armor plates were not so significant. So the BTR-60 case was assembled from armor plates with thickness from 5 to 9 mm, and the OT-64 case from armor plates with thickness from 6 to 13 mm. At the same time, the OT-64 SKOT was significantly heavier, its combat weight was 14,5 tons against the 9,9 tons of the BTR-60. Also, the armored personnel carrier from the socialist camp was distinguished by large dimensions and a more noticeable silhouette on the battlefield. The height of the armored personnel carrier was 2,71 m (along with the tower) or 2,4 m (on the roof), while the total height of the Soviet armored personnel carrier did not exceed 2,2 meters.

Another advantage of the OT-64 SKOT was its layout with the engine compartment located in the middle of the hull, and not in the stern, like the BTR-60. Such a solution allowed the landing through spacious swing doors in the stern armored plate of the hull. Motorized riflemen leaving the armored personnel carrier were protected from enemy frontal fire by the entire body of the combat vehicle. At the same time, on the BTR-60, as well as on the BTR-70 / 80, due to the implemented layout, the landing is carried out either through the side doors along the sides of the hull or through the hatches located in its roof, while the soldiers are protected from enemy fire much worse. This hereditary design problem, characteristic of the most popular wheeled Soviet / Russian wheeled armored personnel carriers, was eliminated only with the modern Boomerang machine, which is a unified wheeled platform that can also be used as an armored personnel carrier.


Option BTR on the platform "Boomerang"

Based on the foregoing, we can conclude that the OT-64 SKOT for its time was a fairly successful armored personnel carrier. He was in the arsenal of the countries of the socialist camp for a long time, and also actively promoted for export. It was a simple and reliable amphibious car with high speed and a large power reserve. A small part of the OT-64 armored personnel carriers is still in service with the armies and police structures of a number of developing countries.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 30 November 2019 06: 48 New
    +11
    Thank you, Sergey!
    Regards, Vlad.
  2. Donald72
    Donald72 30 November 2019 06: 51 New
    -3
    As far as I know. The Soviet military attributed the two engines not to shortcomings, but to a rather great advantage, since it allowed them to leave the battle on half of the engines. But the diesel engine for a heavy combat vehicle is of course an advantage.
    1. Jarserge
      Jarserge 30 November 2019 09: 14 New
      +27
      The Soviet military cursed two weak engines, which were also almost impossible to “force” to work synchronously, even with the help of special equipment. Cross-country battalion march usually ends with at least 50% engine replacement. After installing the tower with a heavy machine gun, the machine turned out to be heavy. Fuel consumption has increased. In order to at least somehow match, the kit included gas cans transported on top of the armor. Conclusion - the BTR-60PB machine was catastrophically outdated by the mid-60s, both technically and conceptually. Despite this, the designers designed and the factories built all subsequent vehicles (BTR-70, 80) with the same layout unsuccessful for infantry but convenient for the manufacturer.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 30 November 2019 11: 45 New
        +10
        There is operational experience on the BTR 60, though PU.
        I agree, two engines is a minus, and a big one. One diesel would enhance the performance of this car.
        What not to take away is a wonderful cross.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 1 December 2019 20: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: smith 55
          There is operational experience on the BTR 60, though PU.
          I agree, two engines is a minus, and a big one. One diesel would enhance the performance of this car.
          What not to take away is a wonderful cross.

          I just had to use 6 - OPB (this is what we called it jokingly). I agree - it has 1 engine, but more powerful, it would be a song in general! But, honestly, he did his job as well. True, I didn’t use it in the infantry, we didn’t have to land an assault under bullets, we needed its cross-country ability, it fired us. What the citizens wrote about the synchronization of motors - it’s a crap, it is solved without problems, when one engine got up, there were technical problems, but they were also solved on the go. I really liked the machine! I remember only one task that was not completed on it - when a wave covered us on a mountain river (something burst up there, nobody was in the know). Engines and hatches flooded, the car drowned. Fortunately, everyone is alive and well, and then the car still worked hard after the repair. I ran across the intersection faster than MTLB, and this is an indicator laughing
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 2 December 2019 21: 08 New
        -1
        Lying about a 50% dvig replacement, you need to finish already ... All armored personnel carriers with the front MTO swim a little better than an ax ...
      3. karabas86
        karabas86 8 December 2019 18: 40 New
        0
        Do not carry nonsense about 50%, then they themselves marched? At 70, it’s not even 50, but 15-20 failed and then it’s not the engines, but the breakdown fur - it broke the belt, cardan bolts, etc. Thanks to more torque, 60 on the intersection ran better than 70k, on the highway yes 70k it was possible to expand to 120. But 2 engines from powerlessness were not suitable.
    2. soloveyav
      soloveyav 30 November 2019 12: 37 New
      +15
      Two engines are primarily twice as many consumables. It’s just that in the USSR with powerful engines there was always stress. That is why as soon as a suitable mass motor appeared on the BTR-80, only one was left. Yes, and 70ki reworked under one KAMAZ 740 or YaMZ 238.
      1. LastPS
        LastPS 27 December 2019 00: 12 New
        0
        That’s what I don’t understand, why was it impossible to take diesel from their TATRA social block, localizing its production in the union? What article you don’t read, you constantly come across a problem with diesel engines for trucks and other related products.
        1. soloveyav
          soloveyav 27 December 2019 00: 25 New
          +1
          New engines and, moreover, localization in the USSR were usually dealt with in critical cases, when they could not be replaced in any way. And here the problem was completely resolved - yes crookedly, yes expensive to operate, but it worked. That's when truck diesel engines were needed and there were no alternatives anymore - they built an engine plant at KamAZ, a new diesel workshop at ZIL and ZMZ, a new plant in Kostanaysk. And the fact that these enterprises did not manage to earn full force is the collapse of the USSR.
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 30 November 2019 14: 28 New
      +6
      Cons 2x engines fully manifested in Afghanistan.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 30 November 2019 19: 11 New
        +11
        Minus in carburetor engines. In the mountains they were suffocating and sometimes deaf, their mother!
    4. sh3roman
      sh3roman 1 December 2019 10: 02 New
      +11
      Yes, okay you believe in fairy tales, there simply wasn’t a diesel engine, so they went out of steam as they could, just like on the su76
    5. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 1 December 2019 16: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Donald72
      The Soviet military attributed the two engines not to shortcomings, but to a rather large advantage

      you know something wrong and not from there. Two motors - yes they just cursed. They were not synchronized, twice as many consumables and ten times as adjustments. This is only because at that time in the USSR there was not one compact powerful engine. For the same reason, two dead engines stood on the SU-76 during WWII. Remember - two synchronously working on the mechanics of the motor - it's just a horror and a mockery of the personnel and equipment. Do not know who told you such stupidity that two motors is good, but when you meet, spit in his face
    6. max702
      max702 8 December 2019 00: 00 New
      0
      There is only one question, but what prevented us from taking this engine from Chekhov and releasing it from factories? Patents and other mura is not considered.
      1. karabas86
        karabas86 8 December 2019 18: 42 New
        0
        It’s not enough to pick up, it’s also necessary to arrange the release - a completely different song, and air cooling in Central Asia is not an ice.
        1. max702
          max702 10 December 2019 11: 38 New
          0
          They could arrange the release of all types of jet aircraft, and they were able to go into space, and they could atom in all forms, and a banal diesel engine with all the technical plans and specialists’ drawings that they couldn’t do? C'mon .. Maybe they didn’t stupidly consider the mundane things to be important / necessary and it will work out like that?
  3. bistrov.
    bistrov. 30 November 2019 07: 00 New
    +9
    ".... managed to establish the release of a huge range of weapons ...."
    Czechoslovakia plowed the fascist Reich throughout the Second World War, releasing tanks, self-propelled guns, rifles, machine guns and much more until the very end, and they themselves took part in the battles against the Red Army, although there were none of them and the Germans had to use them in the struggle against the partisans, where they hung and shot, and burned the villages ... Even Hitler planned to flee to Czechoslovakia .... We found a "benefactor" ....
    Now laid under the "most democratic country in the world." ..., tradition, however ....
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 30 November 2019 18: 40 New
      -9
      Do you know the story?
      Czechoslovakia was divided in 1939, on March 14, an independent Slovak state arose - Slovenská republika. Czechoslovakia was divided into two into states depending on itself, or rather, the Czech Republic was not a state, but a German protectorate. It would not be bad for the “experts and judges” to look at the ethnic composition of the territorial entity that remained after Gemania took the Sudetenland and the southern regions of Czech and Moravia. I am referring to the percentage composition of purely German families and families mixed with Germans.
      And do not forget that Czechoslovakia, on different fronts, began to fight against the Nazis already in 1939, then Hitler and Stalin were allies. Incidentally, Ludwik Freedom in 1939 was captured by the Soviet Union, or rather the Czechoslovakians surrendered to the Red Army, because they didn’t want to fight against Russia, in Poland divided by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Will you forget the contribution of Czechoslovak pilots and technicians to the Battle of Britain and the destruction of German submarines in the North Atlantic, or the participation of Czechoslovak army in battles in North Africa or in the army of Ludwik Svoboda?
      And it would not be bad to recall who was to blame for the fact that the Czechoslovakians, who fought together with Russia in the First World War against Germany and Austria-Hungary, suddenly became "white-covers." The comrades, in general, and Trotsky-Bronstein, in particular, did everything for this, to please German interests.
      And, by the way, the Czechs did not serve in the German army. They either took ethnic Germans or children from mixed families, but with German blood.
      1. MORDVIN13rus
        MORDVIN13rus 30 November 2019 22: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: L-39NG
        Do you know the story?
        [/ b].
        You probably do not know her yourself. This is when it was Stalin with alozych allies that were, recall ka in dates, as well as allied treaties. Where clearly, in black and white, allied relations are spelled out.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 1 December 2019 11: 31 New
        +5
        Well, yes, the Czechs did not serve. They had enough work at the enterprises. And the Slovaks served. In particular, they participated in the occupation of Crimea.
      3. The comment was deleted.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 1 December 2019 23: 01 New
          0
          In 1212, the Czech Republic voluntarily entered the Holy Roman Empire - so that Prince Przemysl Ottokar 1 became king. Before 1918, the Germans were under the Germans - just as Austria-Hungary collapsed itself with the help of "Western democracy" - Czechoslovakia appeared. E. Gaha from November 30, 1938 the president of Czechoslovakia - from March 16, 1939 to May 13, 1945 president of the autonomous protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (the protectorate was an integral part of the 3 Reich).
      4. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 January 2020 16: 30 New
        0
        The protectorate was not a sovereign state, but it still had signs of statehood.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 November 2019 19: 13 New
      0
      Those are still ladies with low social responsibility. And it will always be so. Genetics she hoo. hi
      1. L-39NG
        L-39NG 30 November 2019 21: 23 New
        -11
        Ladies with low social responsibility sculpt on their Foreign cars inscriptions like "To Berlin" and "Thanks to my grandfather for the victory."
        Is that for a “Tsap-scratch”?
        And there is also genetics among those who were related to the Tatar-Mongols and taxed from their subjects in the Horde treasury.
      2. phair
        phair 1 December 2019 07: 46 New
        +1
        https://pivoman.su/?p=852 даже памятник поставили. А спилберг снял туфту... Не, евреев шиндлер за деньги спасал, что за бабло не слелаешь ;) но что бы евреи выпускали бракованные боеприпасы?! Ни одного случая саботажа в богемско-моравском протекторате, тем более в Силезии.
    3. max702
      max702 8 December 2019 00: 04 New
      +2
      30% of all weapons of Nazi Germany produced in Czechoslovakia, and at the same time NONE !!! cases of sabotage .. Even in Germany there were such cases but in Czechoslovakia there is no. . Would the Czechs want to answer and repent for the 7 million killed Soviet citizens from their weapons?
      pc: Yes, after such a 68 they had to be minced in mincemeat ..
      1. mister-red
        mister-red 9 December 2019 00: 15 New
        +1
        At one forum I expressed the same idea about the 68th. Underwent obstruction - well, what have people to do with the 68th and during the war. Indeed, what does it mean - it's only 23 years after the war, 2/3 or even 3/4 of the people working on the Germans were still alive. Everything is true about stuffing. IMHO.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 9 January 2020 16: 32 New
        0
        Czechoslovakia was not as a single state in 1939-1945. There was a protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and there was an Independent Slovak State.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2019 07: 39 New
    +7
    For the first time I learned about this armored personnel carrier from a GDR youth magazine. For a long time, with the help of a dictionary, I tried to understand what kind of beast it was and where it came from, but the "iron curtain" of censorship was implacable. But a couple of years ago, even touched his hands. In Warsaw, in the "Museum of the Polish Army".
    Thank you author!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 November 2019 09: 25 New
      +10
      In the Soviet magazine “Behind the Wheel” they wrote about it repeatedly and in detail.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2019 09: 36 New
        +2
        I didn’t write out)
    2. loft79
      loft79 30 November 2019 13: 38 New
      +13
      And as a child I read the Model Designer). Learned from there. I don’t remember the issue now, but the illustrations from the magazine are direct to the article. OT-810 and OT-64.


    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 November 2019 19: 19 New
      +8
      laughing Probably from the prototype "Technique of Youth" "Jugend und Technik". One thing is not clear, what does the Iron Curtain have to do with it? This magazine was sold at the Soyuzpechat kiosks.what
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2019 19: 57 New
        +2
        Right! So he was called! In "Soyuzpechat" I have never seen him. I don’t know where he came from in the “young technician” circle, but about the curtain, it’s about the fact that in the translated article there was a minimum of those data weapons, crew and speed, it seems. The rest is vague phrases like "main", "in service" ..
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 30 November 2019 20: 16 New
          +2
          One of the languages ​​I studied was German. And we were given assignments from this magazine for translation, and we bought magazines on our own. ps The funny thing is that these same magazines with translation into Russian also had a place to be. laughing
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 1 December 2019 20: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Captive
            One of the languages ​​I studied was German. And we were given assignments from this magazine for translation, and we bought magazines on our own. ps The funny thing is that these same magazines with translation into Russian also had a place to be. laughing

            Something smells like a freebie what They gave me all this for translation, which was not in the Union Press: for example, a working card for the commander of a motorized infantry battalion with a combat order. Much easier was from Russian to German - The history of the development of Soviet armored vehicles during the war, in particular. And here again from German - dishes and cuisine of the Iago restaurant - it was generally a mess. Well, somehow survived laughing And he also started more than one language - more English (it was 2 languages ​​at school) and Spanish (optionally at school and at school). But my native is German, my happy childhood passed there laughing Right now it's time to stick Lenin’s phrase about knowledge of languages, but I don’t remember from drinking. drinks
    4. svp67
      svp67 1 December 2019 11: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      For the first time I learned about this armored personnel carrier from a GDR youth magazine. For a long time, with the help of a dictionary, I tried to understand what kind of beast it was and where it came from, but the "iron curtain" of censorship was implacable. But a couple of years ago, even touched his hands. In Warsaw, in the "Museum of the Polish Army".

  5. Sergey_G_M
    Sergey_G_M 30 November 2019 07: 54 New
    -5
    Compared with the BTR-60, that is, of course, there are advantages in the engine, a slightly better reservation and a back door, but it is also much more dimensional and heavier.
    But the most important thing - the commander and driver are completely separated from the landing and the gunner - this is a serious jamb and there is no need for internal communication when the commander and driver are not next to the landing and gunner all garbage will happen all the time.
    With such a flight in the component, this miracle can never surpass the BTR-60.
    1. Jarserge
      Jarserge 30 November 2019 09: 18 New
      +14
      Who told you that they are separated from the landing ?! They are ahead on the same principle as in the Soviet BMP-1; 2. A BTR 60, this machine is superior at times. Believe me, while serving in SGV I had the opportunity to compare. The only comparative drawback in my opinion is the external propellers for swimming (unlike the water jet on the BTR-60PB) it is very easy to damage them when driving over rough terrain
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 30 November 2019 09: 35 New
        +5
        Who told you that they are separated from the landing ?! They are ahead on the same principle as in the Soviet BMP-1; 2

        They are not located there according to the same principle and there is no possibility of communication between the commander with the shooter and the landing.
        Photo from http://muzeumgryf.pl

        I don’t even know, maybe you served in the wrong place and that’s exactly what is many times better than the BTR-60.
        For comparison, the location in the BMP-2:
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 30 November 2019 15: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Jarserge
        Who told you that they are separated from the landing ?! They are ahead on the same principle as in the Soviet BMP-1; 2. A BTR 60, this machine is superior at times. Believe me, while serving in SGV I had the opportunity to compare. The only comparative drawback in my opinion is the external propellers for swimming (unlike the water jet on the BTR-60PB) it is very easy to damage them when driving over rough terrain

        Apparently, memory is failing you. Or are you confused with some other machine.
        Here

        source:
        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a256b975a104f0ab99e1f5b/trofeinaia-bronetehnika-iz-sirii-1-chast-5b84427da459c800a9310032

        Or

        hi
        1. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 30 November 2019 18: 52 New
          0
          There is no passage there, on the first photo of the door to the engine compartment.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 November 2019 13: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Sergey_G_M
      But most importantly - the commander and driver are completely separated from the landing and the gunner - this is a serious jamb

      No "cant", this is an armored personnel carrier, not a BMP
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 30 November 2019 08: 41 New
    +13
    The Tatra engine, air-cooled, is very good, very compact, reliable, all you need is everything on it, with its compactness I won’t be surprised that there is the possibility of communication between the departments. And to land with the BTR-60, and even next to the cans of gasoline is still a study. request
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 30 November 2019 09: 59 New
      -1
      Probably the engine is good, it may be compact, but the Czechs failed to place it compactly, and there is no possibility of communication between the departments.
  7. K-50
    K-50 30 November 2019 08: 51 New
    0
    The most famous armored personnel carrier of the eastern block is rightfully considered the OT-64 SKOT.

    Why would the bathhouse suddenly fall? belay
    Before the publication of the article, I probably didn’t even hear about it, although I had to see the Armed Forces of the Warsaw Treaty countries, but our BTR-60/70/80 and on their basis it was seen very decently. yes
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 November 2019 09: 06 New
    +12
    I wonder why the capabilities of the Tatra and Skoda were not duplicated in the USSR ?! The USSR has always had a shortage of heavy trucks. There shouldn’t be any problems with the license and specialists.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 30 November 2019 10: 33 New
      +11
      The Tatras were very expensive, they were popular because of their phenomenal cross-country ability, the air-cooling engine, there were no antifreezes anywhere, we were tormented with boiling water in our cars, and the cabins were very warm, the autonomous stove did not freeze for 3-7 days for 40-50 degree frost, with a dead engine, in the presence of diesel fuel naturally and good batteries. Skoda, familiar with tractors, the car is frankly bad, if with mats then there will be more words. But the Magiruses of Germany, again air-cooled, were good, they even released an experimental batch in the Urals, and began to build an engine plant in Kustanai.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 November 2019 11: 22 New
        +5
        Well, now, why would the Tatregodah in 70 and not master its release in the USSR? And Magirus is not particularly needed. Moreover, there was a line of 6x6 and 8x8 ..... very powerful vehicles and tractors were 4x2
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 30 November 2019 12: 41 New
          0
          So like Tatra, shortly before the Ukrainian events, they put up roofing felts for auction roofing felts. It was quite possible to outbid along with technical documentation equipment and specialists. But alas.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2019 01: 48 New
            +1
            She is now cooperating with DAF. I don’t know under what conditions, but I saw a four-axle Tatra with a Dafof cabin. Her name is phoenix.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 1 December 2019 10: 01 New
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              Well, it's too late. The train left. But the Tatra needed to be taken only for the Khrebtovka and engines.
          2. max702
            max702 8 December 2019 00: 17 New
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            Quote: garri-lin
            So like Tatra, shortly before the Ukrainian events, they put up roofing felts for auction roofing felts. It was quite possible to outbid along with technical documentation equipment and specialists. But alas.

            There the price was a pretty penny almost 18 million euros for everything .. Moreover, along with workshops, documentation, archives, and a few dozen more new cars at the factory site, in addition, they were .. But they probably didn’t sell them for the same reason as Opel .. For nefig ..
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 8 December 2019 09: 23 New
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              18 million. That is, they gave away for free.
              1. max702
                max702 10 December 2019 11: 39 New
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                Quote: garri-lin
                18 million. That is, they gave away for free.

                They gave it .. But not to everyone .. Such is the free market ..
        2. soloveyav
          soloveyav 30 November 2019 12: 45 New
          +11
          Division of labor in the socialist countries. When they could in the 60-70s, no one thought that the union would collapse. In the same way, ships for the Navy, transporters, transport planes were built in Poland, training and transport planes in the Czech Republic, and there were a lot of civilian equipment from the ATS countries and it disappeared from the streets quite recently.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 November 2019 13: 27 New
            +3
            Here is another .... Before the advent of KAMAZ, the niche was empty, and the car was very necessary. Money is already spent. And so, you can replace Kraz and KamAZ.
            1. soloveyav
              soloveyav 30 November 2019 13: 33 New
              +5
              I agree, but Kamaz is its own development (ZIL-170), and Kraz is still heavier. And for the army +/- in the same class was the Urals. Those. here the situation is like with a truck at 1-1,5 tons in the same years - it seems that everyone needs it but nobody specifically, and you can buy those that you need directly.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 30 November 2019 13: 43 New
                +5
                At that time, the Tatras covered both the Kraz and KamAZ with their assortment ... and it is not known what is economically better - to come up with KamAZ and produce ancient Kraz or to license the Tatra completely. The technical level of the “New” KamAZ was hardly progressive.
                1. mister-red
                  mister-red 9 December 2019 00: 18 New
                  0
                  Well, somehow the story showed what was right. Without KAMAZ, what would Russia do now?
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 9 December 2019 05: 19 New
                    0
                    I would go to the Tatra ... VAZ has not gone anywhere ....
                    1. mister-red
                      mister-red 9 December 2019 17: 45 New
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                      Do you really think so ?! Thank God in power there were adequate people. At least specifically on this topic.
                      Tatra Mountains. What is going on in people's heads?
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 9 December 2019 18: 19 New
                        0
                        VAZ is an example. Purchased from Fiat ..... raised the level of our automotive industry! Trucks we are grandfathers no better. Check your head and look in the mirror.
                      2. mister-red
                        mister-red 10 December 2019 12: 05 New
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                        Keyword - factory purchased. And do not buy cars. This time.
                        Tatra is that the world leader in the automotive industry? Let's take a look - I found the last figures for 2015, 900 trucks were produced.
                        Kamaz in the same year - 30000 !!!!! They somehow managed without the Tatras, right? )))))
                      3. mister-red
                        mister-red 10 December 2019 12: 12 New
                        0
                        By the way, let's look at another well-known automaker - Ikarus. The USSR provided them with a purchase of up to 7-8 thousand units per year. What now? But nothing - for a long time everything was cut into scrap metal. Look, the Chinese can save the brand - it seems like electric buses under such a brand will be released.
                      4. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 10 December 2019 19: 08 New
                        0
                        At the time of the 70-80s, both the Tatra and Ikarus were one of the leaders in the automobile industry .... and they finished them off - depriving the sales market and environmental standards that they didn’t have time for ....
                      5. mister-red
                        mister-red 11 December 2019 11: 57 New
                        0
                        I won’t even argue. This suggests that the construction of KAMAZ was really necessary and gave a long-term effect.
                      6. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 11 December 2019 15: 37 New
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                        Only, except for KAMAZ, there was a plain Kraz, MAZ, etc.
  • vnord
    vnord 30 November 2019 10: 23 New
    -2
    "In addition, the Soviet BTR-60 used a spark of two gasoline engines, while the OT-64 had one diesel engine, this reduced consumption ...." The problem was that the USSR did not have the necessary ICE. right up to the construction of KAMAZ ... And the entire chassis of the OT - 64, it seems, was not original, but taken from a TATRA 8x8 truck, and here I see a minus compared to the BTR-60 ..
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 30 November 2019 11: 04 New
      +7
      There were engines, YaMZ-236, YaMZ-238, 180 and 240 horses, produced since 1960, and the Tatrovskaya hodovka is also a plus, very reliable and does not need to be invented great.
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 30 November 2019 11: 33 New
      +6
      In the USSR there was an excellent diesel yamz 236. But the gas plant developed the BTR plant. Well, he had to produce. Therefore, they stuck what was in the series, namely 2 lawn sixes.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 30 November 2019 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: dgonni
        But he developed the BTR gas plant. Well, he had to produce. Therefore, they stuck what was in the series, namely 2 lawn sixes.

        You are right, this is some kind of Soviet curse. Like Gosplan, socialism, and very often some small town troubles do great harm to the common cause.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 30 November 2019 23: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Octopus
          You are right, this is some kind of Soviet curse. Like Gosplan, socialism, and very often some small town troubles do great harm to the common cause.

          The Economic Councils especially cursed when each and everyone "pulled a blanket over himself." But the first YaMZ-236/238, too, were not ice, there were enough problems above the roof. In the first place, crankshafts were broken, up to 33%. Percent of new engines in the late 60s went out for this reason. I will not list the remaining defects. Only in the early 70s, when a new unit went, a new K / V, a new oil pump, and YaMZ diesel engines began to work reliably and gained their popularity. In the late 50s there was a more or less reliable diesel engine YAZ-204/206. Moreover, he was familiar in the army, I specifically do not separate 4- and 6-cylinder versions; they varied only in the number of cylinders and power and were installed on KRAZ-214, ATL, 30-kilowatt diesel-electric power stations and a number of other vehicles.
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          2. Octopus
            Octopus 1 December 2019 07: 12 New
            0
            The engine from the PT-76? Is MT-LB too pain-less in time?
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 1 December 2019 07: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Octopus
              The engine from the PT-76? Is MT-LB too pain-less in time?
              PT-76-yes, this diesel was also installed on the BTR-50. The MT-LB is equipped with the YaMZ-238V diesel engine. He joined the army later.
              The predecessor of the V-6 diesel engine, the V-4 diesel engine was tested before the Second World War for the T-50 tank. And this is a half of B-2.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 1 December 2019 10: 12 New
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                Quote: Amurets
                for the T-50 tank. And this is a half of B-2.

                I remembered about him initially. I thought about where the pancake had gone, hadn't really completed it yet.
                Quote: Amurets
                He joined the army later.

                Well, they didn’t redo the BTR-70 either.

                In general, sadness of course. Twin engines stood on the Sherman and Chaffee, I do not remember that there were claims for synchronous operation. And then the 70s already.
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 1 December 2019 11: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: Octopus
                  Well, they didn’t redo the BTR-70 either.
                  Redid "The power plant located in the stern has changed - they decided not to give up on 2 engines, but now the armored personnel carrier had 8-cylinder ZMZ-4905 engines. At the same time, both engines now worked on the same gearbox - a mechanical one with four stages." And sparka always brings in non-synchronous operation of engines, that's just to what extent this non-synchronization will be.
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 2 December 2019 13: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Amurets
                    At the same time, both engines were now working on the same gearbox - a mechanical with four steps. "

                    I found only such a kinematics scheme (it was written that from the BTR-70), identical to the BTR-60
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 9 January 2020 16: 36 New
            0
            Economic Councils existed for only about 8 years. from 1957 to 1965. Moreover, already from 1962, elements of sectoral management began to be restored.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 November 2019 11: 38 New
    +2
    If my memory serves me, then the OT-64 were in service in Syria, along with the BTR-60 ... So, when the Syrians decided to get rid of the wheeled armored personnel carriers, then along with the BTR-60 they were thrown into warehouses and the OT-64 ... that is, the Syrians did not "think" that the OT-64s were so good that they could be left ...
  • ebrd
    ebrd 30 November 2019 12: 08 New
    +12
    Quote: Donald72
    As far as I know. The Soviet military attributed the two engines not to shortcomings, but to a rather great advantage, since it allowed them to leave the battle on half of the engines. But the diesel engine for a heavy combat vehicle is of course an advantage.

    Bullshit - ,, allowed ,, blah blah .... nicherta not ,, allowed ,,. Behind the river, he served in 682 SMEs. In service with the 3MSB were the BTR-70. In mountainous areas, hot climates, high dust
    two rather weak carburetor engines were a real curse. In the heat, the power fell (there was no thrust - just howling), constant overheating - they barely crawled on two engines, where there on one. Then went 80s with KAMAZ engines - completely another thing.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 30 November 2019 14: 01 New
    -8
    What did Czech designers hope for, giving the BTR such a name?
  • faterdom
    faterdom 30 November 2019 14: 17 New
    +8
    The heart of the combat vehicle was an 8-cylinder Tatra model T-928-14 air-cooled diesel engine located in the MTO, delivering a maximum power of 180 hp

    Exactly. Instead of two weak and poorly synchronized GAZ-49 engines. I had rich experience - and it was always hard labor, that preparing for the march, that the march itself, many of the BTR-60s were steadily ending in tow.
    So the headline "exceeded" ... In short, compare the self-propelled armored car, and limited movement. About the BTR-60 - it’s good that we did not have to fight a more or less serious war on them. By Afghanistan, there were already BTR-70, and then 80.
    As far as I know. The Soviet military attributed the two engines not to shortcomings, but to a rather great advantage, since it allowed them to leave the battle on half of the engines. But the diesel engine for a heavy combat vehicle is of course an advantage.

    I did not see such military men, although I myself was a Soviet military, and, of course, I knew many.
    The fact is that in the BTR-60 one engine was responsible for the first and third axles, the second for the second and fourth. Well, or if you turn off the "front" - one move for the third bridge, the other for the fourth. And it was impossible to disconnect it promptly. That is, a serviceable weak engine should not only push the entire wagon, but also spin the second faulty engine through the transmission! Speed ​​- like horse riding, you can’t even go uphill yourself, not even very steep. But this is when it is malfunctioning. And the thing is that to add up the efforts of even serviceable engines it is necessary that they work exclusively synchronously in terms of power and speed. But this was either impossible or not for long. And then the more “strong” engine again through the transmission (18 or 19 cardans alone) began to drag the working “lagging” engine, which again dramatically affected the overall power.
    This is a small part of the Kama Sutra, laid down by the designers in the BTR-60. There were pluses, but they did not save. For example, I’ll say for the suspension - I still didn’t ride anything softer, I could bring a full glass of water on the “nose” along the standard Russian “road”.
    1. prodi
      prodi 30 November 2019 15: 35 New
      +1
      here, rather, the error was in the implementation of the scheme with two engines: by land - not by water, there is no viscous damper; the engines had to twist (through overrunning clutches?) a common flywheel with drive to all axles, well, or something like that
  • san4es
    san4es 30 November 2019 14: 18 New
    +6
    hi ... OT-64 SKOT. This combat vehicle was its own view of the wheeled armored personnel carrier of socialist Czechoslovakia and Poland.
    ..At that, by that time in Czechoslovakia there was already a license for the production of the Soviet tracked BTR-50P, which received the designation OT-62 .. soldier
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 30 November 2019 22: 11 New
      +1
      Thanks as always for the great videos!

      I was especially impressed with the BTR-50 entering the water by jumping off a cliff .. This is a really cool trick !! I have a friend who spoke with a Soviet prosecutor for a long time after a similar descent to BTR-80. Fortunately, there were no losses, everyone came up, but the APCs got out of the water for a long time.
  • Andron59
    Andron59 30 November 2019 16: 16 New
    +2
    someone like that, but two engines on the BTR-60PB saved me, or rather, the remaining one was saved, the second was broken. If there was one, we would have got the cranes, and so we drove off and arrived.
  • Bear040
    Bear040 30 November 2019 17: 02 New
    -1
    This is not entirely true, since the quality of armor on T-72 tanks, for example, produced outside the USSR, is significantly worse than that of the original .. It can be assumed that despite the progressive layout of the Czech armored personnel carrier, the quality of its armor was worse, just like that was on the T-72 produced in the Warsaw Pact countries
  • iouris
    iouris 30 November 2019 19: 32 New
    0
    Quote: “... the developed industry of Czechoslovakia, which even before the start of the Second World War managed to establish the production of a huge range of weapons, including tanks, retained its potential. In the post-war years, the country deployed the assembly of an adapted version of the half-tracked German armored personnel carrier Sd.Kfz. 25 "End of quote.
    I repeat, the Russians did not understand that they fought two world wars against the "developed industry of Czechoslovakia", mainly the Czech Republic. By the way, that is why Czechoslovakia was given to Hitler in 1938. Watch out for Czechoslovakia.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 30 November 2019 23: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: L-39NG
    Do you know the story?

    We know, remember and honor.
    But we really don’t like to tear out the pages necessary for the red words, and we don’t even like to extinct what others are trying to carefully obscure.
    First was the word:
    "Prague did not dare to go to war, on October 1, the Czechoslovak armed forces began to withdraw from the disputed areas, already October 2, Polish troops occupied Teszyna region - the operation was called "Zaluzhye". It was a developed industrial region, where 80 thousand Poles, 120 thousand Czechs lived, Teshin enterprises at the end of 1938 accounted for more than 40% of cast iron smelted in Poland and almost 47% of steel. In Poland, this event was regarded as a national success - Foreign Minister Jozef Beck was awarded the highest order of the state, the White Eagle, received the title of Honorary Doctor of Warsaw and Lviv Universities, and the Polish press increased the intensity of expansionist sentiments in society. "

    And the Poles get pink pussies?
    Back in 38, they began to tear Czechoslovakia with friends of the Germans.
    Then, only a lazy one could pass by without grabbing a piece of himself.

    source: https://topwar.ru/6015-dva-hischnika-polsha-i-germaniya-protiv-chehoslovakii.html
  • VLADIMIR MIRONOV
    VLADIMIR MIRONOV 1 December 2019 21: 43 New
    0
    here many argue about what is better - 2 weak engines with an independent transmission or 1 but powerful ... well, dear, the fact is that at that time in the USSR there was a DEFICIENCY of NECESSARY DIESELS for this APC on this designer decided to COLLECT FROM THAT THERE IS and we must pay tribute to the fact that 2 independent transmissions sometimes greatly helped out in a combat situation!
    Again, I repeat that our armored personnel carrier was initially "flawed" that is, it MUST HAVE a DIESEL of the required power, and now it except for thinner armor and unsuccessful landing hatches would have no more flaws in front of the Czech model! again, the Czechs developed their armored personnel carrier based on the analysis of the performance characteristics of our armored personnel carrier, so it is not surprising that they optimized the design more.
    although in my opinion the difference in weight of 30% is quite serious in cars. again, the geometry of the axes is ours, they are evenly doubled on the body of the Czech, and therefore our cross-country ability should be higher. another moment the Czech has a “sludge” more therefore the hull itself is higher and this affects the DH, which increases the chance of tipping over. the armor is essentially equivalent, therefore the effect of mines on them should also be similar. On the whole, the Czech is much better in driving performance because in theory we should have engine synchronization, which in real life was certainly absent, which reduced traction and increased fuel consumption. And even the moment, the location of the screws in the Czech is open, which is fraught with winding different shnyaga including when driving on land. ours was a WATERMAN which of course is preferable!
  • Cat gough
    Cat gough 2 December 2019 09: 20 New
    +2
    Once they sent our team to overtake from the cropped part in Tuva, this is 1978, to overtake dozens of 60PB from storage to Krasnoyarsk. Removed from the pads and somehow managed to put on the move 4pcs.
    Two arrived. Of which, in the road, in Usinsk, one engine forced by the GAZ-51 (!) Was forced to drive, and on the second car they waved their hands, disconnected from the cardans and went on one, without light. He drove terribly to drop into the mountain, and that serpentine is full of pants. In 60PB, the KPVT is valuable, and since the grave is on wheels, leaving it in ammunition is a terrible thing, when shooting from the inside, it is generally impossible to understand the orientation in space. Thank God, there was no war. SCOT is a completely different level, to which we reached 30 years later and more importantly, we have advanced to equal competition with the German-Czech school.