The John L. Hill Submachine Gun and the Unusual P90

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John Hill thought long. And came up with



Amazing things sometimes happen in invention and, in particular, military inventions. And it was like this that in the end of the 40 of the XX century, the former American military pilot John L. Hill (article on "VO" "Projects of submachine guns with longitudinal placement of the store" from 5 June 2014 of the year), an engineer from an oil producing company, came up with a strange thought. He decided that he would be able to develop a submachine gun of his own design. In this case, his main idea was to create for him a store of new design, which would give the opportunity to significantly increase his ammunition without a special change in the dimensions of the actual submachine gun. In addition, he did not like the shops, inserted into the submachine gun from the bottom. Long shops were inconvenient because they bumped into the ground and forced the soldier to rise high above the ground for firing. The top-mounted magazine interfered with the aiming, and again the side could not be very long, because it interfered with the retention weapons.




The futuristic-looking submachine gun P90 could hardly have appeared if it had not been for John L. Hill’s revolutionary development, which had remained forgotten.



Apparently, Hill thought about everything for a long time, and it is obvious that he did not like all this. And then he went to a truly revolutionary step: a traditional box store was placed in a very unusual place - on the upper surface of the receiver. To increase the ammunition, the cartridges in it were located perpendicular to the axis of the barrel, bullets to the left. Therefore, it seems that a completely ordinary two-row magazine with a completely acceptable length in its submachine gun could hold as many 50 cartridges as 9x19 mm Parabellum against the usual 30-32.

Swivel mechanism



By itself, the store of John L. Hill's submachine gun was practically no different from the stores for other submachine guns. However, there was a knot in the submachine gun itself, which none of the then samples of this weapon had, namely, a turning mechanism, by means of which the cartridges were fed inward through an opening in the receiver. At the same time, before unloading, they turned on 90 °, for which a special feeder rotating in a horizontal plane was provided in the design of the submachine gun. It turned out that the cartridge under its own weight fell on the tray of this feeder, which was mechanically connected to the gate, and as it moved, it began to rotate and unroll the cartridge by a bullet forward. Then the bolt with a special projection was sent to the chamber of a submachine gun and fired.

At first glance, such a device significantly increased the complexity of the design, but in fact the new submachine gun turned out to be quite reliable and worked almost without delay. The rate of fire was also quite acceptable - 450-500 shots per minute.

With the exception of the original design store, John L. Hill’s development as a whole did not contain any special innovations (“John Hill’s experimental submachine guns” 12 December 2017). Automatic equipment had a free gate with a drummer, which was rigidly fixed to the gate. The receiver was a simple rectangular shape, the box was wooden, in the best traditions of its time. The hole for the ejection of the sleeves was located in the lower part of the receiver, so that the spent cartridges fell out of the weapon due to their own weight.

Met without enthusiasm


John Hill offered his submachine gun to the US military in 1953.

The John L. Hill Submachine Gun and the Unusual P90

The scheme of the patent of John L. Hill, which shows the flow of ammunition from above and the mechanism of their turn.


However, Hill’s proposal did not arouse any enthusiasm among the military. And that is why: in the army there were truly huge stocks of submachine guns left from the war. It was planned to switch to new ammunition, new automatic rifles, and to abandon submachine guns altogether. So the 1953 model of the year was made only in a few copies and that was all ...

However, John L. Hill continued to pursue his brainchild. At the end of the fifties, he completed the new submachine gun H15 or M 1960. And this time, he offered it to the police, while stressing its compactness and large ammunition.


Diagram of the overall structure of the submachine gun from the patent of John L. Hill.


Cartridges for H15 used .380 ACP (9x17 mm). At the same time in the store with a double filling of them were 35 pieces. Now the wooden box had a submachine gun. Under the receiver was a pistol grip, and a hollow, through which the cartridge cases were thrown away, which was a very original decision.

A total of approximately 100 H15 submachine guns were made. However, the police leadership also did not contact him. Therefore, all samples went for recycling, and those that are preserved are collection rarities.

Hill submachine gun and Uzi



When comparing the design of the J. L. Hill's submachine gun and Uzi, it is clearly seen how compact the first is than the second. And he brought it to mind, after that the United States would have been leading the market for compact submachine guns for special units and bodyguards for a very long time. But what did not happen, that did not happen.


John L. Hill’s H15 Submachine Gun (top) and the Uzi Submachine Gun (bottom)


Submachine gun P90 company FN



But it is obvious that the technical solutions incorporated in H15, very much resemble ... technical solutions that FN engineers used in their P90 submachine gun (article on "VO" "Submachine gun FN P90" from 5 March 2013 g.), developed in 1986 — 1987. Belgian engineers. The only thing in which they are noticeably different, well, except for the overall appearance, of course, this is a system for turning rounds. Hill invented a special mechanism for this, whereas on the P90 submachine gun the cartridges are turned on the store itself. However, in all other respects, including the very principle of the location of the store and their supply, the two samples are very similar. Similar is the cartridge case of spent cartridges through the hollow handle of the pistol grip fire control.


Submachine gun FN P90 without a magazine.



Standard P90 with store. Thanks to a special integrated collimator sight, one can shoot from it, having both eyes open. The possibility of firing is fully preserved at night and in low light due to the tritium capsule.


Р90 "Tactical", equipped with a Picattini-bar type MIL-STD-1913.


The latter, however, is not surprising. Because there is information that even in the mid-sixties, JL Hill was invited to FN and even managed to convince him to donate his H15 to them for study.

By the way, Р90 subsequently with good reason entered the 4 generation of submachine guns of the generation, one of the characteristics of which was the high specialization of its individual samples. If before that, it was a kind of tradition to create a kind of universal submachine gun for the needs of both the army and the police, then a trend emerged, the direction of which became highly specialized submachine guns with various targets.

Thus, the main difference of Р90 from all its other “older and younger fellows” was the caliber of its new cartridge SS190 (5,7 × 28 mm), the advantages of which include high penetrating power and low probability of ricocheting. The initial speed up to 715 m / s and the pointed shape allow his bullet to punch modern bullet-proof vests made of titanium and Kevlar, from a distance of 20 meters.


Cartridges for Р90. On the pistol does not look like ...


Rene Predazer will receive a patent for the magazine, and he will also be installed on top of the receiver and has a capacity of 50 cartridges. Conveniently, it is made of transparent plastic, so the shooter can clearly see how much he spent the ammunition. That's just the node turning the cartridges is on the store, which makes it technically more difficult than regular stores with direct feed cartridges. But its capacity is captivating: after all, 50 is much more than 30 and 32 ... By the way, despite the massive appearance of a submachine gun even with a magazine for 50, the Belgians did not have a heavy and fully equipped 3,1 kg (standard version) and 3,2 kg (tactical).


Shop with a device for turning rounds for Р90.


The effective range of fire, which indicates the company FN, is equal to 200 m, well, and its rate of fire, again, according to the company is equal to 850-1100 shots per minute. The fire is conducted from a closed bolt, which improves the accuracy of shooting, which, by the way, is already very high, as the tests of 2002 and 2003 showed by experts from NATO member countries.


Р90 with a long barrel and three Pikattini slats.


Today, this submachine gun is in service with special units of 33 countries of the world, and this is despite the fact that the weapon is not cheap and this is probably the main drawback of this PP - the cost of its production is 3 times higher than the cost of a modern assault rifle and 5-7 times higher than the cost of a submachine gun type "Uzi", which means that its sale price is much higher ...


Girls of the Peruvian Army with Kalashnikovs and Р90 in 2000


To be continued ...
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  1. -6
    20 May 2019 18: 28
    The reliability of the cartridges supply scheme from the magazine used in Р90 is too low for this software to be used anywhere outside the parquet conditions.
    1. Alf
      +12
      20 May 2019 21: 16
      Quote: Operator
      The reliability of the cartridges supply scheme from the magazine used in Р90 is too low for this software to be used anywhere outside the parquet conditions.

      It was used very far away, on the other side of the galaxy in the "Stargate". And nobody complained. laughing
      1. +5
        20 May 2019 22: 13
        In Hollywood, on the other side of the galaxy, the P90 store was loaded not with cartridges, but with "poo-poo".

        laughing

        I have no complaints about the "pew-pew".
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  2. +9
    20 May 2019 18: 34
    hi Thanks Vyacheslav ... Add a picture:
    ... in the design of the H15 submachine gun, a special feeder was rotated in a horizontal plane.
    By the way, the P90 subsequently with good reason entered the family of 4-generation submachine guns,
    The only thing is that the ammunition reversal unit is located on the magazine, which makes it technically more complicated than conventional direct-cartridge stores.
    1. +5
      20 May 2019 19: 19
      All ingenious is simple)
      1. +4
        20 May 2019 19: 30
        Quote: Mikhail Malakhov
        All ingenious is simple)


        ... The prototype from the company FN .... recourse

        ... Taken from the movie (in English) about Hill .... hi

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVJLXwiUSg&t=251s
        1. +4
          20 May 2019 22: 40
          Sanchez, dear Friend, you just killed me with this mixture of a punch with a construction gun !!! laughing
          1. +2
            21 May 2019 09: 27
            ... Control shot (from FN) laughing :
            1. +2
              21 May 2019 13: 22
              The Belgian land has not become scarce for the design talent of gunsmiths! You don't even need to disguise as a crutch. Remember the famous "Shackle Day" about the assassination attempt on de Gaulle.
              1. +2
                21 May 2019 13: 54
                .... "Shackle Day" about the attempt on de Gaulle.


                ... Yeah ... Not so long ago, (according to crime reports there was) one "self-made" official, in this way spanked an official on the backwoods ... yeah, right in the office
                ... True, the media kept silent about what specific changes he made to his crutch ... But something tells me that it was a smooth barrel under a cartridge with buckshot fellow
                1. +2
                  21 May 2019 13: 58
                  Interesting and ... nice information. I am an official, as a well-known Brother - Director, is not very. And where did he perform so, in which city?
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2019 14: 32
                    ... Yes, I don’t remember. A couple of years ago it was ... Now I was looking for this "feat" in the Internet - until I found it ... Maybe it was withdrawn, in order to avoid relapses bully . I will find - I will prompt.
                    ... There was another episode with homemade.
                    https://pikabu.ru/story/legendyi_permskogo_syiska_vyistrel_v_spinu_4510528
                  2. +1
                    21 May 2019 14: 42
                    Here is another press note:
                    According to NTV correspondents, previously convicted Vyacheslav Gurshtein was detained in Barnaul for storing a crutch.
                    True, this peaceful item turned out to be simple only outside. An unknown specialist remade it for firing.
                    A cartridge from a small-caliber rifle is inserted into the crutch, and its firing range is 50 meters. He even has a silencer.
                    Experts believe that these "invalid" weapons have already been fired. The detainee stated that he had found him a year ago:
                    I look - a thing is lying. I looked, dismantled it ... Well, there is a chamber there. Well cocked it, banged like a scarecrow. Finger smacked me. Brought home, threw ... Everything.

                    https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/26534/
                    1. +2
                      21 May 2019 15: 29
                      However, the exploits of the Jackal to some people still haunt!
                      Thanks, interesting, sorry no photos. Listen, maybe the designers from FN inspired themselves with the appearance of this barnaul samopal? laughing
                      1. +1
                        21 May 2019 15: 49
                        ... designers from FN and inspired themselves ...

                        ... I think in Amsterdam on weekends wassat . From within reach Yes
                      2. +1
                        21 May 2019 15: 52
                        It seems that they weren’t specially wound up in Barnaul. wink
                      3. +1
                        21 May 2019 15: 57
                        laughing Yes ... Even in Barnaul you won’t see such a miracle recourse ....... laughing

                        hi ...... drinks
                      4. +1
                        21 May 2019 16: 10
                        In general, the layout resembles our sports pistol. I don’t remember the name of the designer, whether it was Khaidurov, or not, but the name seemed to be "Champion"? I have never been good at sports shooting games. request
                      5. +1
                        22 May 2019 00: 21
                        Khaidurov designed nine models of pistols and two models of revolvers used by the shooters. Khaidurov's weapon was called "the weapon of champions", but he did not have models with "personal names".
                        As for the design, with the prototype, which is higher in the picture, the Haiduro pistols have nothing in common.

                        The famous XP-64.
                      6. +1
                        22 May 2019 00: 28

                        And this is the last - SP-08.
                      7. 0
                        22 May 2019 13: 58
                        Vic, I meant a completely different pistol, the one that looked more like a hacksaw and was generally turned upside down so that the bolt was at the bottom and the pistol grip was sticking up. It seems that some international committee has banned its use at the World Championships and the Olympic Games. And Khaidurov "dragged" out of ignorance of sports topics.



                        Today I received a photo by mail, do not tell me what kind of nickel-plated "figovina" lies on the upper right. At first, at first glance, I took it for "Deringer", but then I somehow doubted it.
                      8. +1
                        22 May 2019 14: 14
                        Nothing but a joke about Vova’s dad came to mind.
                      9. +1
                        22 May 2019 14: 19
                        I don’t remember this joke, there were so many of them ... And Vova’s in the history of our state were very different. Remind your joke, otherwise there will be no peace.
                      10. +1
                        22 May 2019 23: 07
                        Is this something?

                      11. +1
                        22 May 2019 23: 21
                        In-in, he is! He meant it.
                      12. +1
                        23 May 2019 08: 27
                        do not tell me what kind of nickel-plated "figovina" lies on the upper right.


                        This is not a "nickel-plated bullshit", but a very light (weightless) holster made of Kydex "Kydex" material, which is made by precise thermoforming on the model of a pistol and a revolver. Usually it is held there due to the "tooth" formed from the kydex for the trigger guard.

                        I have such holsters for my Glocks and I love them very much, because Glock with a cartridge in the chamber is inserted absolutely safely into this holster, without a chance to shoot himself in the leg.
                      13. +3
                        22 May 2019 15: 05
                        "Record", MTs-3, "Sheptarsky's frame" - a Soviet sports self-loading pistol of 5,6 mm caliber of the original design, released in small quantities in the 1950s. Due to the unusual layout, it was characterized by increased stability when firing.
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/МЦ-3_«Рекорд»
                      14. +3
                        22 May 2019 15: 12
                        After the XVI Olympic Games in Melbourne, the International Rifle Union introduced a new requirement in the rules of shooting competitions, according to which the barrel of the weapon should be located no lower than the membrane between the thumb and forefinger of the shooter. This closed the way to the further use of the MC-3 in official competitions.
                      15. +1
                        22 May 2019 23: 23
                        That's right, that's what I had in mind. Thanks for the exact info.
                      16. +2
                        22 May 2019 16: 15
                        Thank you, I have never encountered before.
                      17. sen
                        +2
                        22 May 2019 05: 02
                        Here, too, an upside-down handle is offered.
                        http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren/indiv_oru.htm
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  3. 0
    20 May 2019 18: 44
    Pretty good ! But what makes the Russian bison worse?
    1. +7
      20 May 2019 19: 31
      Is he worse? About Bison will still be ...
      1. +2
        20 May 2019 22: 50
        Thank you, Vyacheslav! hi I read about Hila before, but not such details. I would like to catch up faster and faster (I’m already insolent), otherwise I really want to eat ... smile
        1. +1
          21 May 2019 06: 01
          Everything is there, but I do not put the materials in print ...
      2. +3
        20 May 2019 22: 58
        Before describing PP "Bizon", it would be nice to describe the product of Calico Light Weapon Systems!
        1. +2
          21 May 2019 06: 00
          About it will be ...
        2. 0
          21 May 2019 13: 29
          Is it a small-bore sub-machine gun (22LR) with an inexhaustible supply of cartridges in a screw store, if I am not mistaken? hi
    2. +4
      20 May 2019 22: 15
      Apparently, they know about Bison only in Russia.

      hi

      But how many copies are made, maybe they don’t even know in Russia.
    3. +4
      20 May 2019 22: 24
      By the fact that a) a kalashoid that already has a diagnosis (PP based on a machine is like a motorcycle based on a car) b) auger store. The auger from the pros has only capacity, but then the cons begin. For example, overly long equipment times, especially alone. And also gravity, a heartless bitch, and the auger is usually from below with a rather large mass ...
    4. +4
      20 May 2019 22: 42
      And where is "Bison"? These are completely different designs of one purpose, and for different, again, ammunition.
      1. +2
        20 May 2019 23: 21
        Here, dear comrade, it's just a freak show sometimes. It happens that a model is praised in a flood, it does not matter anything. And when you ask, "How much has been done? Circulation?" - it turns out that they were praising another spherical (cubic) crystal horse in a vacuum.

        drinks
        1. +4
          21 May 2019 00: 29
          Yes, it’s understandable, people are bored, but here the topic is this, every specialist should hunt himself. And you start to put in place, in response, or swearing, or minus begin to quietly. As in a communal apartment in the kitchen, a neighbor spits in a pan. Thank God such a few units.
  4. 0
    20 May 2019 21: 03
    for people the thing is done!
  5. +6
    20 May 2019 21: 10
    Thanks to a special integrated collimator sight, you can shoot from it with both eyes open.
    With both eyes open, you can and should shoot with any aim, starting from the open. Moreover, squeezing one eye during shooting, you reflexively reduce the visual acuity of the second, which reduces the accuracy of aiming.
    1. +4
      20 May 2019 21: 20
      It does not work for people with astigmatism or various diopters on the eyes.
      1. +2
        20 May 2019 21: 33
        With astigmatism above 0,5 diopters, one should not go to the shooting range, but to the doctor, as serious pathologies of vision require treatment and correction using optics.
        As for different diopters, this does not play a role. An eye with greater visual acuity will be dominant.
        1. +2
          20 May 2019 21: 43
          "- Locksmith Sidorov, can you work after three glasses?
          -Well, I'm working! "
          So I, however, no longer on targets, but "to kill" (interactive firing sector)
          1. +4
            20 May 2019 21: 47
            Alcohol and weapons are incompatible in principle.
            1. +1
              20 May 2019 21: 53
              So I'm talking about vision.
            2. 0
              20 May 2019 22: 19
              And wipe .... remove old grease?

              laughing
            3. +4
              20 May 2019 22: 26
              This is for whom - how. hi Other citizens, and without any alcohol, cannot be allowed close to weapons. My friend went through Afghan, so they not only alcohol, but also resinous nonsense, otherwise, he said, it is impossible. Yes, and the "People's Commissars" one hundred grams did not arise from scratch. I'm not going to grovel about my military service and hunting trips. drinks

              Well, it's all lyrics, but what about our dear and beloved Vlad Olegich forgot about G11? Yes, not a submachine gun, but an assault rifle, but in it, too, the idea of ​​Hill was applied and, in my opinion, long before and independently of the Belgians.
            4. +1
              21 May 2019 10: 46
              and wipe with vodka laughing
      2. +4
        20 May 2019 22: 18
        I confirm about astigmatism. There, it’s not a point, but a dancing star.

        Because cheap red dots immediately into the furnace, but you have to use either an expensive holographic sight, or prismatic.
  6. +1
    20 May 2019 22: 09
    This P90 is scary to take into hands. No matter how you remember it ...

    laughing
  7. +2
    20 May 2019 22: 32
    At the beginning of the 20th century, rifles with a Henry bracket with an under-barrel magazine were supplanted from the American army by rifles with a magazine located in the center of mass of weapons, which for a century became the standard for designing weapons.

    There was such an incident with this underbarrel magazine that with the advent of smokeless gunpowder and pointed bullets it was either impossible to use the underbarrel magazine with such cartridges, or it was dangerous for the shooter himself.

    But that was not the only reason. As the rather heavy cartridges of that time were spent from the under-barrel magazine, the balance of the weapon changed, which negatively affected the accuracy of the shooter.

    And here, it would seem, the same rake.

    However, the spiral of progress in the 21st century became possible thanks to the bullpup layout and small-caliber light cartridge.

    Under these conditions, a change in balance is negligible and does not affect the accuracy of the shooter.

    hi

    Purely IMHO ...
    1. 0
      21 May 2019 08: 22
      Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
      accuracy arrow.
      The balance of weapons is constantly changing. Here accuracy depends not only on the arrow.
      1. +1
        21 May 2019 08: 58
        Of course it changes, no doubt about it. But the big question is how exactly, with the expression in "parrots". The underbarrel magazine with heavy rounds on the Henry's clip-on rifle affects the balance in the "parrots" much more than on the short bullpup with light rounds.

        hi
        1. 0
          21 May 2019 17: 09
          Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
          But the big question is how exactly, with the expression in "parrots".
          4 rounds of 52 g each - I did not notice much 3,2 kg in the gun. True, pistol distances, but a fraction ...
          Here it is important not only to change the balance, but also the position of the center of mass: the closer you walk to the axis of the trunk, the less influence there will be. The P-90 is probably closer than a rifle with a Henry bracket.
  8. +1
    21 May 2019 04: 50
    This submachine gun is the standard weapon of the characters in Stargate. It was amusing that the heroes laid down enemies - jafs or raifs, sometimes in a short burst, and sometimes they planted a whole store, and the enemy still resisted.
  9. +2
    21 May 2019 05: 58
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Well, it's all lyrics, but what about our dear and beloved Vlad Olegich forgot about G11? Yes, not a submachine gun, but an assault rifle, but in it, too, the idea of ​​Hill was applied and, in my opinion, long before and independently of the Belgians.

    You can’t do it all together. Fable Elephant painter remember
    1. +1
      21 May 2019 13: 12
      Nightingales do not feed fables, cats too smile , all pending continuation. hi
  10. +3
    21 May 2019 08: 16
    In the "ZVO" somehow flashed information about the 5,7x25 cartridge and weapons for it, developed by the French association GIAT. Can anyone know about their fate?
    1. +3
      21 May 2019 12: 16

      In 1989-1990, GIAT developed a sample of weapons for the PDW program (Personal defense weapon, PDW) - a term denoting a light and compact weapon designed to arm servicemen of the so-called "second line" (crews of military vehicles, calculations of artillery guns and others), which, by the nature of their service, are not entitled to "full-size" weapons, but which may need more firepower than pistols can provide.
      As part of this development, there were several samples, in the photo - one of them with two USMs for single and automatic shooting.
      The following cartridges were tested as ammunition for this sample:
      5,56 × 19mm
      5,56 × 20 mm
      5,56 × 22mm
      5,56 × 25 mm
      5,56 × 30 mm
      5,6 × 22mm
      5.7 × 22mm
      5,7 × 25 mm
      Development lost the FN-90. Further work thereafter ceased.
      1. +1
        21 May 2019 13: 17
        Viktor hi , after your comments to the respected authors there will be nothing to write about! Do not take away their daily bread! Interestingly, is there anything in the world that you do not know, well, like that guy named Herkimer, the hero of O "Genrev's" Handbook of Hymen? good
        1. +1
          21 May 2019 13: 22
          Did you know everything in The Hymen's Handbook like Sanderson Putt? I don’t know much. The more you know, the more strongly you understand, how little you know.
          1. +2
            21 May 2019 13: 27
            And here and there! fellow Pratt simply didn’t part with Herkimer’s "essential knowledge" handbook and therefore knew the answer to any question. But one day he read the wrong line and got married as a result, and the handbook in a new morocco binding took its place of honor on the fireplace of the living room of his family home.
      2. +4
        22 May 2019 04: 52
        Thank you very much for the information
  11. +1
    21 May 2019 14: 41
    5 sequels have already been written and work is underway on the following ...
  12. +1
    21 May 2019 16: 43
    Quote: Sea Cat
    or Khaidurov,

    Yes, Khaidurov. He was then banned because of accuracy!
    1. +1
      22 May 2019 00: 30
      Where does the joke about banning the Khaidurov pistol come from?
    2. +1
      22 May 2019 23: 32
      Here guys, Ludoveed and RIWAS have already enlightened: "Record" MC-3. It was I who misled everyone here.
  13. +1
    22 May 2019 23: 14
    From weapons with an unusual layout, you can add the Chiappa Rhino 40DS (50DS, 60DS) revolver, which shoots from the lower chamber.

    I shot him and the impressions are very, very. Cartridges .357 Magnum with him fly like sensations, as usual .38 Special. But USM is overcomplicated and cannot be compared with Smithovsky or Rugerovsky. I didn’t like the descent.

    God forbid, take his usual grip on him - a breakthrough of gases from the lower chamber can shoot something you need by hand.

    1. 0
      22 May 2019 23: 33
      Man, looked at my photo? Any ideas?
      1. +1
        23 May 2019 06: 15
        This is a plastic holster for a revolver. Most likely according to IDPA.
        1. +1
          23 May 2019 07: 25
          Thank you, Friend! hi He broke his head, but for the holster, this head did not come. Used to another harness. Thanks again. drinks
          1. +1
            23 May 2019 09: 09
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Thanks again.

            You're welcome!