Submachine gun: yesterday, today, tomorrow. Part of 6. Owen, Sudayev and others. Submachine guns generation 2 +

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Last time we stopped at the fact that during the war years, samples of submachine guns began to appear, as close as possible to the requirements of the time. That is, the most technologically advanced, respectively - cheap, "soldier-resistant", although not without a number of drawbacks. The soldiers took a new weapon with disapproval that speaks of the inertia of human thinking. In fact, for a total war, a weapon must be “total”, and lacquered walnut boxes do not need such weapons at all!

Another thing is that the new models of PP differed in design and design features and were better in some ways and worse in others.




Australian soldier with Owen.

Take for example Australia - the British dominion. The Australians also had to fight. Moreover, a very real threat of a Japanese invasion arose over them. And they expected to receive weapons, and in particular, STEN submachine guns from the metropolis. But ... hopes of this coming true were not destined. And then for good luck of the Australian army with its submachine gun it was “turned up” by Lieutenant Evelyn Owen, who from 1940 had been covering the thresholds of the relevant departments with a pistol with a machine gun of his own design. Need, as they say, the best teacher. Therefore, the decision to adopt a new software was adopted very quickly. True, the trial batch was released immediately in four calibers to select the most suitable. As a result, the traditional caliber 9-mm was the most suitable.

Submachine gun: yesterday, today, tomorrow. Part of 6. Owen, Sudayev and others. Submachine guns generation 2 +

The very first experienced Owen ...

This is Evelyn Owen’s very first submachine gun, which he assembled in his workshop in 1939. This “monster” was powered by .22 LR ring-ignition cartridges, which were charged in turn to the chambers of the 44-charging drum with a gramophone spring. By the way, this PP did not have a trigger! But there was a trigger behind the receiver under the thumb. It was necessary to come up with this! (See “IN” for more on 7.12.2015 and 9.12.2015).


Army submachine gun "Owen".

Outwardly, "Owen" looked, of course, terrible. It was an ordinary water pipe, to which a barrel was attached to the front of the thread. The shutter is free. Barrel - quick detachable. The reloading handle with the shutter is not rigidly connected. But the most unusual thing in it was the store, which was inserted into it from above, and not from below or from the side. Therefore, the aiming devices on it were shifted to the left, but ... this affected the accuracy of the fire very little, since it was mainly from the Owen that was shot from the hip. But the reliability of the supply of cartridges has increased significantly, because now they were pushed down not only by the spring, but also by their own weight. Therefore, the feed system worked without characteristic delays. Do not interfere with the store (containing 33 cartridge) and prone shooting. But with the German MP-40 in their hands, the corps had to be very much lifted and thus most substituted for bullets. The two handles allowed the Owen to be held securely while shooting, and its camouflage coloring, as well as the high rate of fire 700 shots / min., Could not be more consistent with the war in the jungle, which was then waged by Australian soldiers.

The popularity of the “Owen” was so high that in service with the Australian army, it remained until the end of the 50s. And for some reason even a long bayonet was installed on the 1952 modification of the year! He fought in Korea and even in Vietnam. And only in 1962 was replaced with a new sample of F1, which again was designed by Evelyn Owen! Outwardly, he looked like a new English Sterling submachine gun, but had a butt placed in line with the receiver, raised aiming devices and ... a sector store from Sterling again inserted from above. This is truly - “from the good, the good is not looking”!


Submachine gun F1 sample 1962 g.


A vivid example of the creativity of Soviet gunsmiths was the Sudayev PPS-42 submachine gun. It is hardly worth writing about him in detail, since VO already had 16 material about him in February: “PPS: submachine gun for total war”. But, it should be emphasized once again that AI created it. Soudaev in besieged Leningrad, where, however, the factories continued to work, and various equipment remained. The new submachine gun, like most samples of wartime, was all metal, so as not to bother with the processing of wood. The connections were on the stud-axles and welding, the butt was made folding for convenience sake. On the trunk there was a brake-compensator, installed after the front-line tests also directly at the city limits.


PPSH-41 with stores from PPS-42 / 43

PPS-42 itself was upgraded, received the name PPS-43, and it was in that capacity that was adopted for service. And not only in the Red Army, but also in the Finnish army, after the 1944 year, and also standardized in the German army under the designation MR 709 (r). Interestingly, in 1942, a contest was held in the USSR (about its participants in HE were 1 and 4 materials in July 2016) for a sample of a submachine gun devoid of shortcomings of PPSH-41, and Shpagin himself presented a sample of PPSH-2 to it ( the first publication on the BO from 21 November 2013 g.). The factory production of PPS-43 required much less time and metal in comparison with PPSH-41. So, PPSH-41 required 13,9 kg of metal and 7,3 machine hours, but PPS-43 only 6,2 kg of metal and only 2,7 hours. I did not need a wooden butt. So the submachine gun went to the series exactly the design of Sudayev, PPSh-2 did not see the light, and PPSH-41 remained the mass weapon of the Soviet infantry until the end of the war.


PPSH-2

Chinese and Vietnamese soldiers massively armed with them during the Korean War and the Vietnam War against the French. It was delivered to many countries of the world, so it still occurs. In the Wehrmacht, it was used under the designation MP 41 (r), but it was remade for the 9 × 19 mm “Parabellum” cartridges, although trophy samples that were not redone were also widely used. In this modification, the barrel was replaced and the receiver was placed under stores from MP 38 / 40. Their alteration was carried out in 1944 in the arms workshops located in the Dachau concentration camp, where they produced about 10 thousands of such submachine guns.


Either China or Korea. And, by the way, everything is the same, the main thing is that everything is with PPS-43.


K-50 - Vietnamese version of PPSH.


Type 50 - China.


And this, of course, is sunny Africa ... And again PPS-43. Well, how could it not help the class brothers in their struggle against the vile white colonialists ?!

In addition, the same PPSH-41 also served as a model for a number of, so to speak, hybrid models. This was, for example, M49 - the Yugoslav submachine gun, adopted by the army of Yugoslavia in 1949 year. It has a lot of design elements taken from the PPSh-41, but a lot from the Italian submachine gun Beretta M38. At first glance, this is almost an exact copy of PPSH-41. However, he has a completely different receiver, and if you disassemble it, there will be even more differences. The fuse was borrowed from the Beretta, but the firing mechanism and the fire interpreter from PCA-41, and they also had almost identical lodges. Thanks to the tubular design of the receiver, this submachine gun was easily disassembled - it unscrewed the back cover and it was possible to remove both the spring with the shock absorber and the bolt.


Yugoslavian M49.


Fighter of the Yugoslav army with M49.

The M49 was in service with the Yugoslav Army for a relatively short time and was replaced by a slightly more compact and cheaper in production model of the same caliber M56 Zastava. Interestingly, this PP was, on the contrary, copied by Yugoslav engineers from the German MR 40, but ... and this is the most interesting, made for our Soviet 7,62-mm pistol cartridge and equipped with a magazine from PPP-43 just like the M49 model. The main difference from the German automaton again was the simplification of the basic design. The telescopic casing of return springs in it was replaced with one big spring, the bolt was even more simplified, and for some reason they put a bayonet on the barrel! The main drawback of both samples is the caliber; experience has shown that 9-mm is still preferable for submachine guns.


МХNUMX Zastava.

In general, all these examples are probably very good examples to the fact that war is the best teacher, who very quickly helps to overcome inertia, old traditions, and the inertia of thinking peculiar to the entire human race. Although not completely ... But we will tell you about this next time!

To be continued ...
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  1. +6
    26 March 2019 18: 08
    Stores from PPS are not suitable for PPSh, the receiving necks are different there. In addition, in the PPSh store, the cartridge exit is strictly from above, and at PPS several from the side.
    To use the store from PPS in PPSh, you need to cut your lips, fill with a special nozzle on top and apply the original feeder for the PPSh carob store.
    1. +1
      26 March 2019 19: 47
      PPSh-41 store has two rows of cartridges with rearrangement in a single row at the exit, and at PPS-43 store cartridges exit in two rows without rearrangement
    2. +2
      27 March 2019 12: 04
      Our V. O is not a gunsmith, but from here blunders
  2. +6
    26 March 2019 18: 40
    ... And here, for the happiness of the Australian army, with its submachine gun, Lieutenant Evelyn Owen “turned up”
    what ... Owen PP inventor - Evelyn Owen demonstrates PP to a group of officials ..
    ... But the reliability of the supply of cartridges has increased significantly, because now they were pushed down not only by the spring, but also by their own weight .... hi
    1. +3
      26 March 2019 20: 00
      San4es, friend, thanks back! Scrolled laughter for the sake of videos to his wife, so she is completely delighted. I didn’t imagine, she says that such a cute cartoon man can be made about weapons. smile
      1. +4
        26 March 2019 20: 28
        hi ....You're welcome.
        ... about weapons, you can make such a cute cartoon.

        ... almost everything fellow Especially about the legendary soldier


        1. +3
          26 March 2019 20: 38
          And in my opinion it, more precisely, it is not for nothing called legendary. I tried it, I liked it. drinks
        2. +2
          26 March 2019 21: 09
          and PPS machine seems to be nothing, scribbling.
  3. -1
    26 March 2019 18: 54
    Factory production of PPS-43 required much less time and metal in comparison with PPSh-41. So, PPSh-41 required 13,9 kg of metal and 7,3 machine hours, but PPS-43 only 6,2 kg of metal and only 2,7 hours.

    He-he-he ... but here weapon historians are very fond of being a little cunning, adjusting the initial data to the desired answer "PPP was the best".
    For PPSh-2 participated in the competition of new submachine guns, which covered PPS in almost all positions, including manufacturability:
    Based on a comparison of the materials presented, it was found that PPSh-2 has the following advantages over Comrade Sudaev’s sample:
    1. Fewer parts (by 19 items),
    2. The required average tonnage (18,3 tons against 21,5).
    3. Less time for machining (2,9 hours versus 3,84 hours for the sample of Comrade Sudaev) and, accordingly, less total time for processing.

    In terms of the application of the most cost-effective welding, PPSh-2 also has advantages over Comrade Sudaev’s sample.

    In terms of the totality of indicators, in general, PPSh-2 has better indicators than the sample of Comrade Sudaev, with the exception of metal consumption and metal efficiency. where the best result is the sample of Comrade Sudaev.

    Art. GSPKI-40 technologists. Brains. Ryazanov.

    Sudaev’s “best use” is the difference of 4%, 48, 5 for PPSh-2 and 52,3 for Sudaev. The rest of the technology from PPSh-2 just jumped in awe.
    According to the combat characteristics, the PPSh-2 was also quite at the level of other samples, slightly inferior only in accuracy - as the testers themselves wrote, due to the not very well made compensator. Shpagin undertook to fix the problem as soon as possible.
    But ... PPP nevertheless became the winner. And PPSh-2 remained behind the scenes.
    © Ulanov
    In fact, the teaching staff was pushed into the arsenal of the GAU - despite the test results and despite all the official objections of the NKV and personally Comrade Ustinov.
  4. +7
    26 March 2019 19: 03
    Quote: Alexey RA
    and here weapon historians are very fond of being a little cunning, adjusting the initial data to the desired answer "PPP was the best."

    Do you reproach me for this? In my opinion, I have nothing about this? "Except for the consumption of metal and the coefficient of useful utilization of the metal. Where the best results have a sample of Comrade Sudaev" Apparently this is what played a role. Saving metal !.
    1. 0
      26 March 2019 19: 13
      Quote: kalibr
      Do you blame me for this?

      Not you. And those sources from which you took the data. Even Bolotin's canonical work suffers from this - well, you can't directly write that the PPSh-2 was the best, but the army chose the PPS, because it was developed by "its own" designer. So the data from the PCA were substituted into the comparative tables.
      Quote: kalibr
      Apparently this role played. Saving metal !.

      Sudaev's “best use” is a difference of 4%, 48 for PPSh-5 and 2 for Sudaev.

      In addition, 1,3 times less time for machining at PPSh-2 more than covered the insignificant metal savings at PPS.
      1. +1
        26 March 2019 21: 18
        In the context of undercover games, PP Bezruchko-Vysotsky comes to mind again. With which the PPP, according to Bolotin, can play the game "find 10 differences". With the difference that PPB-V was invented earlier.
        The former nobleman simply did not come out of origin.
        Unlike the guy from Alatyr.
        We had a "country of nuggets" then.
    2. +7
      26 March 2019 19: 56
      Good evening, Vyacheslav. thank hi Everything seems to be familiar for a long time, but something is even shot, but still interesting. It seems like he came to visit friends and have a mug ... tea conversation on a favorite topic. smile

      A small note about PPSh-2. Shpagin was never able to abandon the wooden butt, but for the crews of combat vehicles, vehicles in general, and for other branches of the army - this is an extra detail. And, in my opinion, it, PPSh-2, is very inconvenient for deduction, ergonomics zero. There, either put the second pistol grip, or sculpt the fore-end under the barrel. Very close are the fire control handle and the neck of the store, was Thompson influenced by the designer, or what? And we already talked about the compensator. drinks
      1. +6
        26 March 2019 21: 13
        Good evening to you too, Konstantin. It's nice when the reader sees everything the same way as you do. You probably noticed that the materials in this series are at a fairly high level of generalization. In the text, links are always given to articles specially devoted to one or another sample. But the impression is that 80% of readers do not see or read them. I tried to minimize all ... "oddities" and "inconsistencies". Let them follow the links and "catch fleas" on their own. I believe that this topic is different - to show the process of development of PP, to "dig" deeply according to individual samples, I think it makes sense only if they are ... somewhat "epochal" and you need to pay attention to this, and not describe the whole sample in detail, including test reports.
        1. +4
          26 March 2019 21: 29
          That's right, comrade Vyacheslav hi . Review article, it is review. And we have already dismantled so much for details and screws. And our friend Can4es will always add other details with "cogs". smile
          For our population, until a certain time, there were only two "epochal" samples - Pepesha, yes Schmeister laughing Yes, and about "catching fleas" I liked it too. drinks
      2. +1
        26 March 2019 23: 27
        Have you noticed that in many PP models the pistol grip is moved forward?
        This feature is due to the presence of a massive free shutter - the right hand should be closer to the center of the shutter movement when shooting, so accuracy is better.
        And the wooden shutter in PPSh-2 can be easily replaced with a folding metal one.
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  6. Alf
    +3
    26 March 2019 19: 45
    Now "expert experts" will run in and prove that Shpagin copied the MP-44.

    1. Alf
      +1
      26 March 2019 20: 08
      Quote: Alf
      Now "expert experts" will run in and prove that Shpagin copied the MP-44.


      Oh, one "advanced" has already dropped by.
    2. +2
      26 March 2019 20: 13
      run over and justify ....
      1. Alf
        +5
        26 March 2019 20: 22
        Quote: wooja
        run over and justify ....

        Shop curve? Crooked. Is the fly high? High. So a copy. laughing
        1. +1
          26 March 2019 20: 25
          and looks like ..., trouble with these experts
        2. +4
          27 March 2019 00: 18
          Quote: Alf
          Shop curve? Crooked. Is the fly high? High. So a copy.

          So "Russia is the homeland of elephants. Mammoth with tusks? With tusks! Looks like? Looks like! There is a trunk? There is! Well, definitely an elephant! What other proofs are needed?"


          Less elephants? So lost weight from lack of nutrition.
    3. +1
      26 March 2019 20: 37
      And who said that he copied something? I talked only about the inconvenient layout of weapons. Compared with an assault rifle - this must have a rich imagination. By the way, both Tommy and Stg have the same thing as a forearm. And for what you will hold PPSh-2, especially when firing in bursts? Surely they did not try to shoot from the AK while holding the store. request
      1. Alf
        +5
        26 March 2019 20: 46
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Compared with an assault rifle - this must have a rich imagination.

        Some of them have it on the VO, and even what ... There is such a "tovarisch" with a weapon nickname, so he also has a DP-heavy rifle on a bipod, and a T-34 with an IS-2 anti-tank self-propelled guns, and much more, especially during exacerbations.
        1. +2
          26 March 2019 21: 09
          Hmmm ... about the "heavy bipod rifle" - this is, of course, whistling! Famously so ... And what kind of nickname is "tovarischa", I would ask about my "half a quarter". And then all his life he considered himself a tanker, but now it turns out a self-propelled gun. No, I have nothing against, "all sorts of guns are needed, all sorts of guns are important", but still interesting. This isn't the former Karbain, by the way? If he - then there are no questions, it is necessary to go to the doctor. hi
          1. Alf
            +5
            26 March 2019 21: 12
            Quote: Sea Cat
            This is not a former Karbain, by the way?

            Who else? He is our celebrity, he is periodically banned, but every time he prolazit under a new name. He was even kicked out with AltIst, and there such inadequacies are stacked that there is nowhere else to go.
            I would ask about my "half a quarter".

            I don’t advise, you can’t prove anything anyway, and a conversation will resemble a dialogue with a wall.,
            it is necessary to go to the doctor.

            Well, if only for a lobotomy. hi
            1. +5
              26 March 2019 21: 36
              And you know, Vasily, I have completely ceased to be angry with him. They ban him regularly, but he is not there and it feels like something is missing. Maybe figs with him - don't hey live? Well, sort of "carpet" in the circus. There was such - Golovan Jack, but you probably know. Well, I barked with him, and now I have the feeling that he was also useful, at least let off steam. wink
              1. Alf
                0
                26 March 2019 21: 54
                Quote: Sea Cat
                It was like that - Golovan Jack, but you probably know.

                And then ...
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Well, I barked with him, and now it feels like it was good for him, even to let off steam

                I do not agree. You can and should argue with a worthy opponent. There is nothing more worthy. But so ... to prove anything, such an impression, as if smeared in mud.
                1. +1
                  26 March 2019 22: 00
                  Vasil, well, I was not talking about a dispute, but about "letting off steam." And so - yes, he was a dirty "boy".
                  1. +3
                    27 March 2019 02: 06
                    Why was it? He still exists. In vain do you stipulate it - it is quite adequate. Points of contact must be found. He studied the T-34 not only in the classroom - a tanker, albeit not a specialized one. Try to have a good conversation - maybe you will become friends. hi
                    1. Alf
                      +1
                      27 March 2019 20: 40
                      Quote: Leopold
                      Why was it? He still exists. In vain do you stipulate it - it is quite adequate.

                      Actually, it was about carbine.
                      1. +1
                        April 4 2019 03: 12
                        I meant Golovan Jack. For Corbine - I agree with your assessment.
              2. +3
                26 March 2019 23: 17
                Oh yeah! "Golovan Jack" is a diagnosis. "Fantoy against everyone." Although, in a personal, quite adequate character. Was.
                1. +1
                  28 March 2019 23: 28
                  "Fantozzi against everyone."

                  Send him to the shooting of the movie "Battleship" Kittenkin "!
      2. 0
        26 March 2019 21: 42
        for the store’s receiver or for the chamber with the barrel cover, as is customary for PP, they have the majority without forearm lining
  7. 0
    26 March 2019 20: 28
    "PPSh-41 with shops from PPS-42/43" - ???? What nonsense! Shops from PPS are NOT interchangeable with shops from PPSh! The author should study the material properly before writing the material, and editors should work "more thoroughly"!
  8. -4
    26 March 2019 21: 20
    PP is a surrogate for weapons, for which, for some unknown reason, they have seized on and still will not escape this idiocy.
    1. kiu
      +2
      26 March 2019 21: 43
      Quote: Bone1
      PP is a surrogate for weapons, for which, for some unknown reason, they have seized on and still will not escape this idiocy.

      No. PP is a normal subspecies of army weapons throughout the world. This weapon has its own niche in the army and the police.
      But since there were never normal PPs in the USSR (there were no cartridges for them), there is no understanding of what it is.
      The misunderstanding is AKSU. Which occupies a niche in which there should be PP.
      1. 0
        26 March 2019 21: 45
        If, in your opinion, normal, tell me what it is intended for and where is its niche?
        1. +1
          26 March 2019 21: 56
          Dear namesake, see for yourself how and where the PP was used during the last big war, and in service in which units it is now. The question is so obvious that even a blind person should be clear. I don’t want to crush the water in the mortar. hi
          1. -7
            26 March 2019 21: 58
            For me, too, it is extremely clear, the assessment gave-idiocy.
            1. +3
              26 March 2019 22: 11
              Thank God this is just your personal opinion, and it, excuse me, is not worth a penny. request And the whole world, giving this system a different assessment, consists, in your opinion, of complete idiots? Your self-doubt is clearly going wild ... Are you, by chance, not trying to compete with our legendary Carbine? laughing
              1. -6
                26 March 2019 22: 21
                Of course, this is my personal opinion and my self-conceit is all right - about "thank God" - I'm not sure - maybe idiocy would be less - but I would advise you without knowing the essence - you shouldn't make such conclusions
                1. +3
                  26 March 2019 22: 29
                  Not knowing the essence of what? The essence of the intended purpose of the submachine gun in the armies of the whole world?
                  I am glad that you are all right with your conceit, somehow I myself managed to note it. And as for the conclusions - excuse me: you, my friend, are an amateur and an ignoramus, otherwise there is simply nothing to explain your "speculative maxims" and obstinacy. request
                  1. 0
                    26 March 2019 22: 53
                    When there is nothing to explain, this is a conclusion, almost a diagnosis.
        2. kiu
          -1
          26 March 2019 22: 52
          Quote: Bone1
          tell me what it is intended for and where is its niche?

          Quote: kiu
          The misunderstanding is AKSU. Which occupies a niche in which there should be PP.
          1. +1
            26 March 2019 23: 42
            Quote: kiu
            Quote: Bone1
            tell me what it is intended for and where is its niche?

            Quote: kiu
            The misunderstanding is AKSU. Which occupies a niche in which there should be PP.

            AKS-74U is a shortened version of the AKS74 assault rifle for arming crews of combat vehicles, aircraft, guns, etc. It differs from the standard AKS74 assault rifle in more compact dimensions, a barrel shortened by 2 times and less weight. Uses the standard for machine guns of the USSR / Russia cartridge 5,45x39 mm. All the shortcomings of Ksenia are the essence of the continuation of its merits. Why is he bad for his niche? Unless the fact that today it is possible to make such an automatic machine even easier, with a different receiver design that is better suited for various sights installed optionally. The barrel is still more tenacious, with better cooling. But in the 80s he began to enter the troops. Now it can be replaced by a more modern one, which so far has only been illuminated at exhibitions and presentations. Under a standard automatic cartridge, what else can you come up with compact and light?
  9. 0
    26 March 2019 21: 34
    PPSh-41 required 13,9 kg of metal and 7,3 machine hours, but PPS-43 only 6,2 kg of metal and only 2,7 hours.

    But the metal part of the PCA is shorter and the metal in appearance is clearly smaller - and such a difference in the weight of the metal.
    No one wondered why it happened?
    and further. Sudaev did not develop the teaching staff in Leningrad, he was sent there to establish production after development.
    1. 0
      27 March 2019 18: 16
      It's all about the applied metal processing technologies. Stamping, minimum metal turning. And PPSh was rather technological, but PPS out of competition in this sense.
  10. +1
    26 March 2019 22: 28
    I look at Photo "Zastava" M56, and I see the handle and trigger from the MG-42.
  11. 0
    27 March 2019 01: 48
    Take Australia, the British dominion, for example. The Australians also had to fight then. Moreover, a very real threat of the Japanese invasion arose over them. And they expected to receive weapons, and in particular, STEN submachine guns from the metropolis. But ... these hopes did not come true. And here, for the happiness of the Australian army, with its own submachine gun, Lieutenant Evelyn Owen “turned up” to her, who since 1940 had been upholding the thresholds of the relevant departments with a submachine gun of his own design.

    But what about the Australian STEN (OSTEN), which was adopted in the same 42 as the OUEN?
  12. +2
    27 March 2019 06: 58
    Quote: Trouble
    adopted

    There are different things to accept and organize mass production. In the period from 1943 to 1946, approximately 20 of thousands of submachine guns of this model Mk1 and Mk2 were produced. And if Owen loved Australian soldiers, then this one is not! Immediately after the war was removed.
    1. 0
      28 March 2019 19: 14
      Owen was released from 42 to 45, about 45 thousand. It also somehow does not attract mass production.
      By the way, how could Evelyn Owen design the F1 SMG if he died in 1949?
  13. 0
    27 March 2019 06: 59
    Overview, as usual, at altitude. Certain reading discomfort is created by links to materials about weapons samples scattered throughout the text. In my opinion, it’s more convenient to just collect them in a separate paragraph or, more difficult, add to the links ...
    1. +1
      27 March 2019 15: 28
      I agree with you, but ... somehow at first I didn't think about it, and then ... "unity of style." I don't want to change anything anymore.
  14. +1
    28 March 2019 20: 31
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    In the context of undercover games, PP Bezruchko-Vysotsky comes to mind again. With which the PPP, according to Bolotin, can play the game "find 10 differences". With the difference that PPB-V was invented earlier.
    The former nobleman simply did not come out of origin.
    Unlike the guy from Alatyr.
    We had a "country of nuggets" then.


    Sudaev brought his design to production. And Bezruchko was an author. PPSh-2 had a lot of delays in firing, so the competition lost ...