Submachine gun: yesterday, today, tomorrow. Part of 9. British against British

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In the past, the material was told about how the creation of new submachine guns of the third generation began in the years of the Second World War. And it was reasonable. So they did in the USSR, where in 1943 a new cartridge appeared, and already in 1944, new automata were created under it. Also received in other countries. In particular, in England. We told about the Kokod submachine gun last time, but since the topic was not exhausted, we will continue it today.

And it was that at the final stages of the Second World War, when the victory of the Allies did not cause any doubts, the British army began to look for a replacement for its STAN. The Ammunition Council instructed the Royal Infantry Factory weapons In Enfield create such a replacement. The design department in Enfield began work on the project, which in April 1945 received the code name “Military carbine, experimental model” (MCEM). Six MCEM prototypes were manufactured at Enfield and two more in Australia.



At that time, there were many foreign engineers working at Enfield who left their home countries because of the Nazi occupation. And the British divided the design departments according to nationalities. French and Belgian designers, such as Georges Lalue and Dieudonné Save, were working on new rifles. They developed the SLEM-1 sample, which later became the FN-49 and the early FAL prototypes of the .280 caliber. British engineers were led by Stanley Thorpe and they created an EM-1 rifle, while a team of Polish designers, led by Stefan Janson, presented EM-2. All this eventually turned into a real "bouquet" of post-war constructions. General management was carried out by Lieutenant Colonel Edward Kent-Lemon. The chief designer was Stefan Jenson.

Submachine gun: yesterday, today, tomorrow. Part of 9. British against British

SLEM-1, developed by Georges Lahl and Dieudonné Saves. This rifle, along with the FAL, was developed in the UK, and after the war it was manufactured in Belgium at the FN Herstal facility.


But this EM-2 rifle was designed by Stefan Janson (or Stephen Jenson, as the English called him) for an .280 caliber cartridge (7-mm). It was planned that she would replace both old Lee Enfield and STAN. As you can see, more than a modern model, which can be considered quite modern even today, was created in England as early as the war years, and moreover it was designed by a Polish engineer.

Here it is necessary to note one important circumstance. A good weapon always starts with a good cartridge. And the British with reference to the “weapon of tomorrow” understood this among the first and already the end of the 1940-s created such a cartridge. The new 7x43 (.280 British) cartridge had a pointed 7-mm (0.280 inch) caliber bullet and a sleeve without a protruding lip, bottle-shaped, in 43 mm. The bullet weight in 9 grams had an initial speed of 745 m / s, which ensured an effective firing range, good flatness and reduced recoil with a smaller cartridge mass and the weapon itself compared to traditional rifle cartridges. The rate of fire was on the order of 450-600 shots / min. Weight unloaded - 3,43 kg.

Two teams worked on the machine guns at once: the British, led by Harold Turpin, one of the developers of the famous STAN, and the Polish, led by Lieutenant Podsenkovsky. Both teams competed with each other and tried their best.

The British team was the first to finish the job. Therefore, it was named MCEM-1. But very often it happens that engineers, like writers, having created one masterpiece, cannot repeat it several times. The MCEM-1 was based on the same STAN with an improved hull and a right-side platoon. In addition, the submachine gun was equipped with a retarder and a removable wooden butt that was inserted into a hollow tubular metal handle. The shop was double and consisted of two stores, each with 20 cartridges.


MCEM-1. It was the first sample developed by Harold Turpin after STAN. He did not contain any radical innovations.

The Polish team, led by Lieutenant Podsenkovsky, completed their project second, so their sample was named MCEM-2. It was completely different from the MCEM-1 and was generally different from any other submachine gun created in England before. And not only that, his store was inserted into the handle. He also had a rotating bolt length of 203 mm, advancing on ... 178 mm barrel. That is, the shutter was longer than the barrel! The bolt could be cocked by inserting a finger into the slot above the barrel. The sleeve was located in front of the trigger guard, which was also unusual.


The MCEM-2 was very compact and could be operated with one hand. But because of the short receiver, the rate of fire was about 1000 shots / min, which the Ammunition Committee considered excessive, especially since the magazine of this PP contained all 18 cartridges. Why the designers did not make it more capacity, well, at least on 30 cartridges, not to mention 40, it is not clear.


The MCEM-3 was an improved MCEM-1 model designed to meet the requirements of the General Staff. The retarder rate of fire was removed from it, and the handle for cocking the bolt moved to the left side. The double magazine was replaced with one curved magazine on 20 cartridges and a bayonet mount was added.

MCEM-4 was developed by Lieutenant Kulikovsky, who developed the STAN model Mk.IIS for special operations. The MCEM-4 had a silencer and could well have been a modification of the MCEM-2. MCEM-5 is a mystery, since no records relating to it have been preserved. There is a possibility that they could have been a Viper submachine gun designed by Derek Hatton-Williams, but it is not precisely known.


"Viper" Derek Hutton-Williams. Amazing design right? Long receiver, butt, but the trigger on the pistol grip, through which the shop from the German MP-40 passed.

MCEM-6 was the latest model that was submitted to the competition, and was a modernized version of the MCEM-2, which was developed taking into account the previously made comments. It was designed by Lieutenants Ihnatovich and Podsenkovsky. The length of the barrel has been increased by 254 mm, the attachment of the bayonet is added. The weight of the shutter was increased to reduce the rate of fire to 600 shots. / min

Anfield management reviewed all the samples and decided to submit MCEM-2, MCEM-3 and MCEM-6 for testing. They were carried out in September 1946, and all samples, except MCEM-3, were considered unsatisfactory. Therefore, further efforts were focused on MCEM-3.

Meanwhile, in Australia, he started his own project, MCEM, in which the Kokoda submachine gun was created, which was described in the previous article.


Upgraded "Kokoda" received the designation MCEM-1. This is often confusing, as many believe that the Australian MCEM-1 was the first MCEM model presented by Enfield to the competition. But it is not. The Australian MCEM project and the MCEM project in Enfield are two different projects.

True, its creator Major Hall, who brought him to England, ended up staying there and started developing the EM-3 rifle. Nevertheless, the sample MCEM-1 in England was refined to meet the new specifications of the General Staff and received the designation MCEM-2. On it set the bolt on the right side. Added flame arrester and mount for the bayonet. The rear sight has been replaced by an adjustable one. Ergonomics has been improved with new handles. MCEM-2 was tested in May 1951 of the year and competed with Mk.2 Patchet, Mk.3 BSA and M50 Madsen. MCEM-2 had problems with the extraction of liners, and in addition it broke again. The military did not like this “fragile” submachine gun, and they chose L2A1.

This is how the prudence of the British military and the talent of their engineers gave their armed forces the opportunity to get the most modern small arms and, in particular, the EM-2 rifle at the beginning of the post-war period (see more details on the VO from 31 in March of 2017) year, even adopted by the British army, but due to political pressure from the United States, this rifle has remained empirically. The fact is that the American rifle cartridge 1951 × 7,62 mm has become standard for NATO, which is why all the weapons now had to be designed only for it. And with EM-51 it was very difficult, it was necessary to change ammunition to it. In fact, it was necessary to do everything anew, and time was running out. Therefore, the weapon went to L2A1 (self-loading version of FN FAL).


Submachine gun L2A1 "Sterling"

But before the European submachine guns, the Americans did not care, and the British got their own, national "Sterling". So politics echoes the technique.

To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    April 16 2019 18: 30
    _Thank hi Will I add a picture?
    ... EM-2 was developed by Stefan Janson (or Stephen Jenson, as he was called by the British) under the cartridge .280 caliber (7 mm)
    1. +3
      April 16 2019 21: 29
      Thanks! Very nice picture!
      1. +8
        April 17 2019 12: 51
        Vyacheslav Olegich, and thank you! hi

        I rummaged here in my archive and found one funny thing from the storerooms of our museum. He photographed himself, so for sure this photo is in a single copy. Maybe you will come in handy for a new article.


        This Revelli was specially issued for installation on armored vehicles, instead of a trigger - a trigger and a clearly visible part for mounting. Interestingly, the loading handle was covered in leather.
        When I stumbled upon this miracle in the storeroom, I immediately got into the "granary book" of accounting for receipts and found there a record for the end of the forties in a calligraphic feminine handwriting that this sample was Bergman's order. It is clear that I doubted the truth of this statement and began to find out what I got into my hands. Well, you know what happened with special literature at that time, but over time we figured it out. A very funny car. smile
        1. +3
          April 17 2019 13: 31
          Yeah ... awesome! We have nothing in storerooms! Thanks!
    2. +3
      April 17 2019 03: 05
      At the top of the small arms, the Lee-Enfield rifle of the 1895 model and its further modifications were accused. This is indeed a very good sample of small arms that are still used. Not the army naturally, but for personal use.
      Everything else is a plumber’s nightmare.
      1. 0
        29 June 2019 13: 20
        At the top of the small arms, the Lee-Enfield rifle of the 1895 model and its further modifications were accused. This is indeed a very good sample of small arms that are still used. Not the army naturally, but for personal use.
        Everything else is a plumber’s nightmare.

        They have the same ships - and since the time of Drake.
        They believe that a technical product should first of all be functional and, then, convenient to use.
  2. +5
    April 16 2019 18: 36
    The new 7x43 cartridge (.280 British) had a pointed shell bullet of 7 mm (0.280 inch) caliber and a sleeve without a protruding lip, a 43 mm long bottle shape
    The .280 British cartridge had a pointed shell bullet of 7 mm caliber and a bottle-shaped sleeve without a protruding lip. The initial velocity of the bullet was - 770 m / s, with an energy of 2680 J.
    The new ammunition has been tested with various types of rifles and machine guns, such as Enfield EM-2, FN FAL, Bren, M1 Garand, Taden .... hi
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  4. +9
    April 16 2019 18: 47
    ... Submachine gun L2A1 "Sterling"
    But before the European submachine guns, the Americans did not care, and the British got their own, national "Sterling". So politics echoes the technique.
    1. +1
      April 18 2019 15: 44
      There, 2 parts of the English documentary:
      и
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  6. +6
    April 16 2019 18: 56
    It seems that the Poles developed their RM-63 with an obvious eye on the MSEM-2. The same external casing-shutter, a magazine in a pistol grip, and the shape of the grip almost coincide.


    But Podsenkovsky among developers was not noted.
  7. +1
    April 16 2019 19: 17
    In my opinion, all are some kind of very unusual look.
    1. +5
      April 16 2019 19: 19
      Actually, I wrote: all of which are some kind of a r.o.s. But that word fell out.
  8. +5
    April 16 2019 20: 33
    that sterling that stan at any gate.
    even partisans must have turned their nose
    Stan held in his hands. in our kibbutz discovered a cache of weapons of the 40s.
    turned, looked. poorly done, PPS like in the same difficult times did but where to Stan before him
  9. +3
    April 16 2019 21: 27
    Remember the story of the Strugatsky brothers "The guy from the underworld"?

    Earthlings watched the planet where the war was going on. A local guy named Gag was banged out of a rocket launcher and was brought to Earth for some shit, patched up and tried to "educate". But ... Gag wanted to go home. In the pocket of his military jacket, he found one cartridge, multiplied it on a duplicator machine and drew a sketch of an assault rifle attached to an old robot. The robot has made.

    I have the impression of these Wall-shaped ones, as if they were drawing a sketch on my knee.
    1. +4
      April 16 2019 21: 38
      A local guy named Gag banged out of a rocket launcher ...

      Gag himself was a rocket launcher - an ATGM operator!
      The cheetah saw us - ...
      - Gag. You are the best rocket launcher in the squad, and I hope for you. See these cockroaches? Take them for yourself. Install a rocket launcher on the outskirts, choose a position approximately where the trucks are now. Mask yourself well, open fire when I light the village. Act, Cat.
      ... ... And suddenly, from a black and red dregs, a shower of liquid fire directly into the face. Everything immediately flares up - and corpses, and land, and a rocket launcher. And some bushes. And I. Painfully. Terrible pain. Like Baron Tragg. Puddle me, puddle! There was a puddle! They lay in it! I put them there, snake milk, and they had to be put into the fire, into the fire! There is no puddle ... The earth was burning, the earth was smoking, and someone suddenly with inhuman force knocked it out from under my feet ...
      There was nothing on him, not even a sheet. He looked at his feet, at the familiar scar above the knee, touched his chest and immediately felt with his fingers what was not there before: two indentations under the right nipple.
      - Wow! He said, unable to resist.
      “And one more side,” said the good-natured man. - Higher, higher ...
      Gag felt a scar on his right side. Then he quickly looked around his bare hands.
      “Wait ...” he muttered. - I was burning ...
      - And how! Cried rosy and showed with his hands - how. It turned out that Gag burned like a barrel of gasoline.

      He was set on fire from a flamethrower, and then finished off from small arms!
      He was lucky that the robot had the knowledge and capabilities in metalworking!
      1. +3
        April 16 2019 21: 58
        A smart robot is always better than chewing ducal tobacco.

        Yes

        Is Bumblebee a flamethrower or a rocket launcher with a volumetric explosion ammunition?

        laughing

        With the communism, the Strugatsky missed, although ... until the 22nd century there is still time.
        1. +3
          April 16 2019 22: 06
          Let's not "deliver liquid porridge on a plate."
          Read this work for a fresh head. And there will be happiness. hi
          1. +1
            April 16 2019 22: 16
            I read it 40 years ago.

            hi
            1. +2
              April 16 2019 23: 01
              There is free online reading on the Internet. There is also a continuation from another author. With an "original" approach to the topic!
              1. +2
                April 17 2019 12: 33
                Hi Aleksey hi , I also continued to read, where Gag turned out to be a prince, voluntarily sending himself as an agent to earthly observers. In my opinion, in vain the author of the sequel decided to compete with his brothers.
    2. 0
      29 June 2019 13: 14
      I have the impression of these Wall-shaped ones, as if they were drawing a sketch on my knee.

      That is why this is the IDEAL weapon --- for that moment.
      You apparently tried to scold me - but without realizing it, you said a compliment: STEN did it in garages! The most "difficult" (not suitable for production in a garage) part was the return spring.
      In STEN - a minimum of milling. Lathe --- but it's easier. (It is impossible to do without a cutter at all - you need to cut out the grooves in the shutter. But in a STEN there is such a minimum)
      This is exactly "on the knee, a military ersatz".
      And for the ersatz - what is the STEN and is --- it simply has excellent combat qualities.

      If we understand that STEN is an ersatz (and STEN is), then its creators need to pay tribute.
      1. 0
        29 June 2019 13: 47
        If we accept that Stan began to shoot in large numbers from June 6–9, 1944, and the war ended for him on May 1–2, 1945, then in less than a year you won’t especially notice any special useful properties, except for the price.

        In contrast to the PPSh, which went through a much longer battle path.

        hi
        1. 0
          29 June 2019 13: 55
          If we accept that Stan began to shoot massively from June 6-9, 1944

          Quite a strange statement ....

          , and the war for him ended on May 1-2, 1945, then in less than a year you’ll not especially see any special useful properties

          To "see the properties" - sometimes it is enough to test

          except the price.

          For an ersatz --- whatever the main quality, no?

          Unlike PPSh.

          What is "different"? PPSh is more expensive and much less reliable. Moreover, the "lethality" is noticeably worse (but this is already a lack of a cartridge, and not a design --- the cartridge was not good enough ...)
          1. 0
            29 June 2019 14: 10
            You probably think that the Germans were defeated not near Moscow, in Stalingrad and the Kursk, but just in Africa?

            Tests are not enough. Truly a weapon reveals its properties only in a real battle, where the enemy takes bullets and shoots in response. In addition, dirt, water, and high and low temperatures have a constant effect on the operation of weapons.

            The liberator was also ersatz. Cheap but useless. Stan was not useless, but was an ersatz and therefore no longer the best. In the conditions where it was used, it was a compromise. As it was.

            Any nine of that time was approximately the same in properties. It was not today's NATO 9mm and not the Russian 7N31, but an ordinary Luger. Through light shelter such as boards (side of a truck, etc.), the PPSh worked better - it got better.

            About the insufficient stopping effect of the TT cartridge - there are more emotions here since the summer of 1941 "we shoot and shoot, but the gunners keep climbing and climbing." Hans climbed on Amphetamine. After the defense of Moscow, they already learned how to break the gun, but the "sediment remained", which subsequently served as one of the reasons for the cancellation of the TT-shny cartridge for pistol caliber.
            1. 0
              29 June 2019 19: 34
              You probably think that the Germans were defeated not near Moscow, in Stalingrad and the Kursk, but just in Africa?

              We, as it seemed to me, were talking about a technical item - a submachine gun. To pedal "for the homeland" in such a conversation is not only bad taste, but also a sign of a lack of meaningful arguments.

              Tests are not enough. Truly a weapon reveals its properties only in a real battle, where the enemy takes bullets and shoots in response. In addition, dirt, water, and high and low temperatures have a constant effect on the operation of weapons.

              Anything - even cold water, even hot: STEN would be not the best WWII software. It is because of the simplicity of manufacture.

              The liberator was also ersatz.

              What exactly was the "Liberator" Erzatz?

              Stan was not useless, but was an ersatz and therefore no longer the best.

              All PP were ersatz. All.
              Oh yes - MP-38/40 was not an ersatz ... But as a weapon, it was no better than a STEN.
              Suomi was not an ersatz --- here that I don’t know, I don’t know - but in my opinion the same byak.
              PPD was not ersatz - well, and who needed it, like that?

              Any software is an ersatz initially: an under-weapon for typists and telephone operators, trainers and crews of military vehicles. Well, for the police, of course. As full no one had considered weapons before the war, and the mass production of military vehicles in WWII was precisely the issue of ersatz.

              And what is the main quality of an ersatz? That's right: the price and the possibility of mass production. Here STEN has a competitor - only a "butter dish"

              Any nine of that time was approximately the same in properties. It was not today's NATO 9mm and not the Russian 7N31, but an ordinary Luger. Through light shelter such as boards (side of a truck, etc.), the PPSh worked better - it got better.

              You know, it’s not interesting anymore ...
              In reality, PPSh, PPS, PPD had a carcass of 50 m and lacked --- and the reason is a weak cartridge.
              The same PP, but converted to 9mm Parabellum (by the way, why do you call it "Luger"?) --- and PPP was released after the war under this cartridge, and the Germans seemed to be remaking the PCA --- showed much better properties. MP and STEN killed quite confidently at 50-60m.
              And no need to talk about the "boards": behind the "boards" there was no lethal force left.

              About the insufficient stopping effect of the TT cartridge - there are more emotions here since the summer of 1941 "we shoot and shoot, but the gunners keep climbing and climbing." Hans climbed on Amphetamine. After the defense of Moscow, they already learned how to break the gun, but the "sediment remained", which subsequently served as one of the reasons for the cancellation of the TT-shny cartridge for pistol caliber.

              That is why all weapons under 7.62x25 were written off after the war, like the cartridge itself - the "amphitamin" interfered, yeah.

              This cartridge was originally SPORTS. SPORTY, Karl! "Tourist friend" Would make 9x25 (after all, almost the same!) - and there would be a very good cartridge
  10. +3
    April 16 2019 21: 55
    Kunstkamera some kind of straight. What a gloomy British genius is not thought of)))
  11. 0
    April 18 2019 12: 34
    Quote: YOUR
    Everything else is a plumber’s nightmare.

    Precisely noticed! Extremely ugly weapons.
    1. 0
      29 June 2019 13: 09
      Precisely noticed! Extremely ugly weapons.

      Why should an ersatz be beautiful?
      (PPS-42, not -43, namely 42, also, you know, not handsome)
  12. 0
    29 June 2019 13: 08
    lies, as usual with Shpakovsky