Submachine gun FN P90

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Article on the Bison submachine gun revealed a great interest among site visitors with a FN P90 submachine gun. I think it would be quite reasonable to make a small review of this. weapons. Many compare this submachine gun with other samples that have a large-capacity store, but this is far from the main feature of this weapon, in my opinion, the ammunition used in this submachine gun is of much more interest. It is the ammunition that sets the basic characteristics of the weapon, the P90 submachine gun itself is only a means of realizing these characteristics, although quite interesting solutions are used in this means of realizing the capabilities of the cartridge. In general, one way or another, we will begin our acquaintance with a weapon from its patron.

Submachine gun FN P90The 5,7x28 cartridge was designed specifically for the Р90 submachine gun, that is, the designers approached the issue of creating a new weapon globally, deciding to make a sample that is not tied to common ammunition, and therefore their characteristics. Not one of the earlier cartridges was taken as a basis, because the result depended completely on the skills and abilities of the designers. This cartridge is not young, it appeared in the second half of the 80 of the last century, while its perspective was clear to everyone and after a few years its Chinese counterpart appeared with a smaller weight of gunpowder and sleeve length, but also a small 5,8x21 caliber. The promise of the new patron was that he easily coped with the penetration of individual armor protection tools that older munitions could not cope with, if you do not take, of course, monstrous cartridges into account. First of all, the designers set a goal to create an ammunition that would replace the 9х19 in pistols and machine pistols, but as we can see this did not happen, and it is unlikely to happen. Many sources claim the incredible stopping power of the bullet of this cartridge, saying that such "how much" value as the stopping power of the bullet of the cartridge 9х19 is three times lower than that of the bullet of the cartridge 5,7х28. Should I believe this, provided that the bullet has less weight, smaller caliber and a higher speed, let everyone decide for themselves separately, but just in case, it is worth recalling the cartridge 7,62х25 and what exactly didn’t suit people in this cartridge 9x19. Even if we imagine that the movement of a bullet in a person’s body will be chaotic and unpredictable, it’s all the same where there is a guarantee that this bullet will start moving in this way and not otherwise, so personally I don’t believe in high stopping action of this ammunition would not dare. It is also often possible to find the statement that the cartridge 5,7х28 is based on the cartridge 5,56х45, and this information sometimes skips in quite authoritative editions, everyone can also compare both cartridges. In addition to the P90 submachine gun, this ammunition is also used in the Five Seven pistol, which appeared a little later.

Despite its small distribution, this cartridge has a fairly wide range. The standard version of the cartridge with a bullet weighing just 2,1 grams with a steel core has an initial bullet velocity of 716 meters per second (hereinafter, for the P90 PP). The kinetic energy of a bullet is about 460 Joule. It is indicated with black paint on the tip or it has no designation at all. There is also a cartridge with a tracer bullet, which completely repeats the characteristics of the main ammunition, indicated by red or red and black paint on the tip of the bullet. A cartridge with a bullet in which the core is made of aluminum is indicated by blue paint, the bullet of this cartridge has even less weight - 1,8 gram, but its speed is even reduced to 700 meters per second, apparently at higher speeds the bullet behaves unstably. The kinetic energy of the bullet is about 440 Joule. Such bullet speeds could not ensure the normal operation of the weapon with noiseless firing devices, or rather, the weapon worked normally, but the bullets whistled in the literal sense of the word. It was in order to make it possible to use PBS that bullets with a subsonic speed were developed, but since the bullet has a small weight, you can’t limit yourself to reducing the powder sample and you had to increase the weight of the projectile, so that it doesn’t leave bruises on impact but causes serious injuries. So the bullet weight of the subsonic cartridge became equal to 3,5 grams, but the speed of the bullet is 305 meters per second, that is, the kinetic energy of the bullet is somewhere around the 170 Joule. Such cartridges are marked with white paint on the pool. The so-called training cartridge, is completely similar in its parameters and design to cartridges with a bullet with an aluminum core, this cartridge is designed for training firing. It is indicated by green paint at the tip of the bullet. There is also a fully lead bullet in the shell, the so-called low-bounce properties. But what her parameters are unknown, but it is known that an expansive bullet for the cartridge 5,7х28 was created on its base.

Well, it would be dishonest not to say about the results of the shooting of this cartridge. At a distance of 150 meters, the cartridge is guaranteed to break through the steel helmet, although it does not indicate which one. From 50 meters, there is a one hundred percent guarantee that a 48 bullet would break through Kevlar-based fabric layers. The results are really quite good, but as I said above, I don’t believe in the stopping effect of the bullets of these cartridges, but the fact that the means of individual armor penetrates, yes, this is good.

We now turn directly to the weapon itself, that is, the P90 submachine gun.

The submachine gun itself is one of those few types of weapons that can boast of a large-capacity magazine while maintaining its normal size. The design of the weapon is such that in general, nothing supernatural weapons do not have, but here the shop submachine gun deserves attention. The fact is that almost all the firearm shops that have become widespread are designed in such a way that the cartridges are located bullet forward, towards the barrel of the weapon. This arrangement facilitates the supply of ammunition in the chamber, for which the shutter simply pushes the cartridge from the back of the sleeve. In the case of the P90 submachine gun, everything happens in a similar way, but before the cartridge is fed into the chamber, the ammunition is rotated ninety degrees. On the one hand, the design of the store is quite standard. The box, made of transparent plastic, serves as the magazine's case; it is precisely because of this, it is possible to control the number of cartridges left for use. Inside the plastic case there is a feeder and its spring. The very same store is designed for a two-row arrangement of ammunition. It seems that everything is usually simple, but this store joins the weapon along its receiver, which allows the use of large-capacity stores without increasing the overall dimensions of the weapon. Thus, when attaching a magazine along a weapon, there is a problem that the cartridges in the magazine are located at an angle of ninety degrees relative to the barrel, respectively, in order for the cartridge to be fed into the chamber, it must first be turned to the correct position. This particular task is performed by a separate element of the store, which picks up the cartridge from the magazine when the shutter moves backwards, turns and allows the shutter to pick up the cartridge and send it to the chamber simply when moving forward. Naturally, such a construction is less reliable than that common even in ideal production, and in addition to everything in the design of both the machine pistol and the shop, plastic was widely used and, as if personally, did not convince me of the opposite, but for now I remain with the opinion that high-quality steel is more reliable and durable. An interesting point is that charging the store does not require additional devices and is easily performed manually.

The appearance of the weapon is also not quite ordinary and at first glance one can easily decide that such a sample is absolutely inconvenient. The weapon does not have the usual pistol grip, forearm or additional handle, instead of them plastic elements are used, through the holes in which the thumbs of the arrow pass. From the back of these handles of unusual shape rests the palm of the arrow. In other words, holding a weapon is no different from holding the same pistol grip and additional grip, but at the same time the weapon is much harder to knock out of the hands of the shooter, and the retention itself seems more convenient, although it is rather a matter of habit and personal preferences. On both sides of the weapon, a fuse-translator switch of fire modes is provided, while it is located under the trigger, which significantly speeds up the process of switching weapons from one mode to another and removing it from the fuse. The sights of the submachine gun are represented by a built-in collimator sight. In its place can be installed any other sights, however, this can be done in the case of installing an additional rack with three guides such as "picatinny." Also, open sights can be installed, but due to the small aiming line, the distance to use weapons is limited, and overall efficiency is reduced.

The layout of the weapon, despite the location of the store, bullpup. This made it possible to create a more stable sample when firing than those made in the classical layout, and also made it possible to install a trunk of great length. Weapon automatics are based on the free gate, in other words, everything is usually and has already been worked out in many other samples. The shot is made from the closed shutter. The length of the weapon is 500 millimeters, while the barrel length is equal to 263 millimeters. Weight without ammunition - a little more than 2,5 kilogram, 900 fire rate per minute shots, which should be to compensate for not the biggest stopping power, effective range of use to 200 meters.

This weapon is in service with different countries, mainly where money for weapons and ammunition is not a pity, and where people using these weapons instantly evaluate the enemy and determine the place where it is best to shoot with maximum efficiency. In other words, the weapon is somewhat specific in itself because of the ammunition, and moreover it is intended for high-class professionals, so it is not widely used. "Pulls" this weapon that it is quite popular in cinema and computer games, and production and development are mainly civilian options that have a longer barrel and are deprived of the possibility of automatic fire.

It is rather difficult to evaluate weapons, on the one hand, the sample is certainly interesting even to some extent promising, but when you ask yourself about the effectiveness and reliability of the weapon, it’s impossible to answer unequivocally. Not trustworthy design of the store, which is clearly losing in terms of durability to simple box stores without frills. Not the biggest stopping effect of bullets of ammunition, although with a rather high percentage of penetrability of personal protective equipment, also has its advantages and disadvantages, this and much more makes it doubt that the weapon is as good as it is considered. Certainly, in the military environment, where the provision of weapons and their repair is adjusted to “five plus”, such a model has the right to exist and will differ only in its best sides, the disadvantages will be compensated by the absence of sloppiness, are there only many such armies? I think that this is the very reason for which it can be said that the weapon was ahead of its time and neither the ammunition nor the submachine gun itself had anything to do with it. Well, and about the specialty weapons so not only in the services of the first persons there are professionals who know which side to approach the weapon. In general, that we look at the Р90, when we have a simple and reliable Heather, with the cartridge 9х21, even if it is not so fashionable, but clearly not less effective.
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  1. +8
    5 March 2013 09: 04
    Thank! The article is interesting, put a plus. But why is the design of the software itself not considered? So much has been written about the specific cartridge and nothing about the design.
    About the stopping action of a bullet. But is it really important with such a frantic rate of fire and a good penetrative ability of a bullet?
    Of course, army operations look down on these weapons, but for the police, that's it.
  2. +5
    5 March 2013 09: 25


    Once again about the penetration ability of a bullet:
    The high initial speed of his bullet - 715 m / s provides good trajectory stability and at a distance of up to 200 m it is able to penetrate NATO CRISAT body armor (1,6-mm titanium plate, on the back of which there are 20 Kevlar layers).
    The SS190 ammunition bullet has a steel core and an aluminum all-metal shell (FMJ). Unlike most pistol bullets, the SS190 bullet has a pointed shape. This provides a very good punching effect for pistol ammunition. The stopping effect is achieved due to the "somersault" of a bullet when it enters soft tissues. The bullet is very light, it weighs only 2 g, but due to the high initial velocity, its muzzle energy in P90 is 534 J.

    Unusual at first glance, the P90 design allows you to conveniently hold and carry this weapon. The notches of the box form an inclined pistol grip and a front retention grip. The thumb of the right hand arrow (right-handed) is inserted into the hole in the center of the box, the index into the next, and the remaining fingers clasp the jumper of the box. The thumb of the left hand is also located in the front hole, so both hands of the arrow are located next to each other. The lower tide in front of the box protects the shooter's left hand from the muzzle flame. The ergonomics of the weapon is thought out so that it allows you to conveniently fire both right-handed and left-handed. Cocking handles are located on both sides of the weapon. The P90 ejected cartridge is ejected up and down through the tube behind the pistol grip. The ability to shoot from the right or from the left shoulder is not only a “right-handed” problem, but also the use of shelters (a shelter can appear both on the left and on the right). To reduce the effect of the ejection of the sleeve on the stability of the weapon, the sleeve, passing through the tube, is slightly braked.
    1. +3
      5 March 2013 10: 03
      Well, I guess the next article should be about the Five-Seven pistol.
      How weapons are companion R-90
      In general, I agree with the author ...
      I respect the company FN, but the weapon is very specific for professionals. ours (and not only) 9 * 21 will be more effective.

      PS here the Swedish cartridge 6.5x25 CBJ, for example, penetrates an APC ... but what is its effectiveness against humans ...
      http://weapon.at.ua/board/10-1-0-129
      1. +3
        5 March 2013 10: 04
        Five - Seven Tac.
        1. +2
          5 March 2013 20: 27
          Then the article is just typing on it, on the photo is a Five-seveN USG pistol, the Tactical variant is a bit different. smile
  3. avt
    +1
    5 March 2013 09: 45
    good An interesting article and weapons from an engineering point of view are quite original and performance at altitude. A little expensive for the mass yes. Yes, but I remember they made the system from a pistol and this sample under one cartridge. The author decided to hide the gun for later? smile
    1. Peacemaker
      0
      11 March 2013 08: 57
      The high cost has killed more than one excellent specimen of weapons.
  4. +2
    5 March 2013 10: 00
    I wonder what will happen if such a layout is increased in size, under a more powerful cartridge ..?
    1. +3
      5 March 2013 10: 16
      What is the length of the intermediate cartridge? and rifle? 7-8 cm each. What is the width of the weapon with this arrangement, about 9 cm. Most likely it will be inconvenient to use such samples.
      1. No_more
        +1
        6 March 2013 15: 56
        You can place the store not in a horizontal plane, but in a vertical, parallel to the axis of the trunk.
  5. avt
    +2
    5 March 2013 10: 05
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    I wonder what will happen if such a layout is increased in size, under a more powerful cartridge ..?

    But why? request Here, initially, the meaning of the solution is to work with a new cartridge with a selected caliber.
  6. +1
    5 March 2013 11: 11
    The "bag" for collecting the cartridges is too small ... and the very idea of ​​their downward direction is not entirely convenient. Hot and under the elbows ... somehow not very good. As a matter of fact, this is just my theoretical "refinement", I must try in practice. But the machine is interesting.
  7. +4
    5 March 2013 11: 29
    This weapon is in the arsenal of different countries, mainly where money for weapons and ammunition is not a pity ... In other words, the weapon is somewhat specific in itself because of the ammunition, and even designed for high-end professionals, so it is not widespread.

    As far as I know, initially, the FN P90 was positioned as an army self-defense weapon (PDW) for crews of military equipment, tanks, helicopters, and gunners. In general, for all those who have more important activities on the battlefield than running and shooting :))
    Weapons for professionals, of course, but not firing from personal weapons.
    And only later this PP began to commercialize, focusing on a wider niche.
  8. zmey
    +3
    5 March 2013 11: 34
    During the development of the R-90, there was a very acute question of arming military personnel who did not directly participate in armed clashes (even the most powerful pistols did not satisfy the military in terms of rate of fire, magazine capacity, density and effective fire range, and the same as in stopping bullets like drivers, telecom operators, radar operators, UAV operators, tank crews, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, field artillery calculations (at that time the MP-5 was not widespread), the US Army was also intensively looking for a submachine gun for special units and a pistol to replace the Colt 1911 (MP-5 and Beretta 92 were adopted subsequently adopted).
    P90 was a good alternative to the existing p / p, but it is very very extravagant.
    I am very confused by the cartridge feeding scheme and the ability to quickly fill stores.
    And so it is a very compact applied (impossible to hold improperly), simple in design, light weapon, just for "free hands".
    1. Hunter thomson
      +2
      5 March 2013 12: 33
      The stopping effect of a pistol 9mm bullet is just much higher than that of rifle cartridges. And this 5,7 mm high-speed light bullet is generally minimal. The cartridge was developed as a response to the ubiquity of personal protective equipment.
  9. +4
    5 March 2013 11: 39
    P90 is somewhat futuristic. The abundance of plastic, the original caliber, interesting ergonomics ... Adopted in a heap of countries. Let's see how it shows. In addition to appearance, there is nothing remarkable in weapons. A tricky store with a twist is rather a flaw. Grab a weapon is possible only in one (correct) way, relying on three points. It doesn’t work to aim with one hand, not two! And when cleaning buildings it is important! The concept of a cartridge is not clear. Apparently from here and the number of its modifications. It did not work out to make one universal with a normal lesion. And the resistance to pollution, especially the store, is doubtful ...
    Apparently the machine is not for the army, but for security services and the protection of top officials,
    for the protection of nuclear facilities and other greenhouse conditions ... And users must be qualified ...
  10. +3
    5 March 2013 12: 35
    Article plus. The device is interesting and cute, it looks especially good in science fiction films. winked
    In my opinion, modern gunsmiths abuse the use of plastic in military weapons. For a person accustomed to Kalashnikov, the survivability of this "blaster" in combat conditions raises strong doubts. request
    1. +3
      5 March 2013 13: 34
      Quote: Ch0sen1
      looks especially good in science fiction films


      In "Stargate" they started with MP-5, and then switched to P90 and crumbled all the "bad" ones to the right and left. angry
      1. +1
        5 March 2013 15: 28
        igordok,
        MP5 shakes less during automatic shooting and it is more reliable than 90, but the latter has good ergonomics and 50 rounds.
        1. +1
          5 March 2013 20: 01
          are you from counter strike took ??? very much the same opinions ...
          1. +3
            5 March 2013 21: 17
            Massik,
            No, this is not my opinion, I am based on the general practice of using weapons in police units, MP-5 has high accuracy including automatic shooting, which is why it is the main weapon of special police units, of course they use different weapons, but MP-5 is common wide enough.
            The p-90 has a more powerful cartridge, and accordingly a recoil impulse, and since the weapon is light enough to throw it stronger, this is a fairly wide range, look at the mini-ultrasound, you can point it with a compass, but not a single living soul remains in the corridor of the building.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLL_dIlfwVQ на краинском но понять нетрудно
        2. +1
          6 March 2013 11: 50
          1. Is there an advantage in a store with 50 rounds if the insufficient stopping effect has to be compensated for by the excessive rate of fire?
          2. The M4 range has a magazine with the same 50 rounds and very modest dimensions plus standard ammunition in fact.
          3. The ergonomics of the same MP-5 is quite satisfactory, at least I really liked it.
          1. +1
            6 March 2013 12: 21
            Ch0sen1,
            1- extra cartridges are always useful.
            3-megapixel-5 is convenient but it has problems with ergonomics, for example, it is not always convenient to shoot from the other shoulder with it.
  11. NAPOLEON
    +1
    5 March 2013 14: 03
    futuristic design.
  12. +2
    5 March 2013 14: 11
    Great and quality car. Despite the futuristic design, unusual layout and unusual design, the sample has stood the test of time and deserves close attention. And in particular (and here I completely agree with the author), the ammunition that is used in it deserves attention ...
  13. ko88
    +2
    5 March 2013 14: 16
    Last year, an article flashed that more than 100 of these samples were purchased abroad for the needs of Chechen Slavists, (Kadyrovites) also read more than once that funds were also allocated for the purchase of Western weapons for Kadyrov’s.
  14. +1
    5 March 2013 15: 26
    Nyashka, I like the device, it's a pity it’s not widespread and not reliable as Kalashnikov.
    1. +2
      6 March 2013 11: 53
      In the prevalence and reliability of Kalashnikov, it’s unlikely that anyone will catch up ;-)
  15. +1
    5 March 2013 15: 34
    Now we are waiting for MP-7. smile
    1. 0
      6 March 2013 18: 36
      And I just finished writing about him smile
  16. georg737577
    +3
    5 March 2013 16: 16
    For me personally, this sample is an example of how to approach the issue.
    design. In one of the foreign trips, it was possible to hold this miracle in his hands, and even to make incomplete disassembly. Impressions are the best. Inside the machine is a relatively simple, free shutter, like all PP. Ergonomics - beyond praise, everything is thought out. The rotary cartridge feed device in the magazine is simple, and with the overall high accuracy of the product, there is no doubt about the reliability of its operation. According to the owner, the only problem is overheating when firing in long bursts. There are no complaints about plastic - the electric drill resembles to the touch ... I think that with the 9x19 cartridge this scheme would work perfectly.
  17. +7
    5 March 2013 18: 00
    Thanks to the author, Cyril tried as always!
    Let's analyze in order:
    The patron is interesting, but there are a lot of questions about its effectiveness. At the expense of "armor-piercing" no doubt - small caliber, high speed, material for the bullet. But with the stopping effect of a bullet, not everything is so simple. Do not consider me a bore, but it seems to me that it would be more correct to say not the stopping, but the damaging effect of the bullet. If the bullet of this cartridge has sufficient stability (due to rotation) and does not tumble when it hits soft tissue, then the damaging effect of the bullet in this cartridge will not be so hot. Let me explain why - a smaller caliber will give a smaller diameter wound channel. For example, albeit exaggerated, but pierce the "soft" place with a syringe needle or stick a kitchen knife into this soft place - the difference in the damage caused is clear)) But I definitely do not presume to judge, there are a lot of BUT - the place of hitting the body, the vector of the bullet, security / vulnerability of the purpose of the BZ and so on.

    Shop - I share the author’s doubts about the reliability of the store
    Automatics - everything is clear here, plus the fact is that shooting with a closed shutter.

    Ergonomics - I won't say anything about the convenience of the box, this is a matter of taste and habit. And again, the store, it seems to me, replacing the magazine at the P90 will take longer than replacing the magazine at the "classic" PP with a horn. Of course, this business is offset by a magazine capacity of 50 rounds, but still. Above in the comments, it was mentioned that the P90's barrel overheats - it is quite possible. I also share AlNikolaich's doubts about shooting with two hands from around the corner. On my own I will add one more doubt - the ability to move a butt into the teeth. This "option" is certainly not very important, but still.
    Z.Y. Cyril, if you were inspired to write this discussion article regarding submachine guns with a large magazine capacity, as an article about Calico software hi

    1. +1
      6 March 2013 18: 53
      Already embarking smile
  18. +1
    5 March 2013 18: 33
    And yourspe! How about the article "Belgian Blasters. A Game of Chance, a Designer's Whim or a Pattern?" This is in the sense of FN F-2000.
    Thanks to the author as always.
  19. +9
    5 March 2013 18: 58
    Wow! smile Now I see the article has gone) And I thought I’m going to blame for slightly criticizing my favorite weapon laughing Thank you all for the evaluation of the work, pistols (there are several) Five-seveN already in the process of writing, the rest also threw into the queue hi I like to work this way, comments are read already have a list of the following articles and you don’t need to think for yourself laughing
    1. +2
      5 March 2013 19: 33
      Quote: scrabler
      scrabler

      Thanks for the articles, I just can’t understand why you are treading in Majors. Although, to be honest, the titles are amusing, although the soldier who does not dream of becoming a general is bad. smile
      1. +5
        5 March 2013 19: 59
        And I am modest, I do not need an order, I agree to a medal laughing Just the title depends on the assessment of comments, I comment mainly under my own articles, rarely when I write something in other branches of the resource, and if I push, then already when a wave of readers subsided, in general, I do not chase the titles smile
        1. +3
          5 March 2013 20: 12
          Quote: scrabler
          In general, I do not pursue the ranks

          Respect to you !!! smile
    2. +4
      5 March 2013 19: 38
      Quote: scrabler
      And I thought

      And why minus that ?. Good article, thoughtful review. Thank! Once again I looked through the discussion, and came to the conclusion that the article
      no one claims. Only a sample is discussed. So everything is written accurately and impartially.
      We look forward to continuing!
      1. +4
        6 March 2013 08: 39
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        I looked through the discussion once more and came to the conclusion that the article
        no one claims


        This is a significant moment - comments are all on the topic, without offtopic. And often in the comments they discuss not the topic of the article, but about which amers are bastards, which Jews are fiction and other holivar laughing
    3. +2
      6 March 2013 14: 52
      scrabler,

      Cyril, good afternoon.
      Thanks for the interesting articles.


      What about an article on ammunition?
      In particular, a lot of talk about a lot of problems with those that are made in Russia, but a specific debriefing is not visible ...
      1. +1
        6 March 2013 18: 38
        There will be, but very soon) Here such a decent list has been drawn, and I have already started to forget about certain series of articles, there are "AK relatives" hanging, the domestic silent ... there will be articles specifically for patrons, but later wink
        1. +1
          6 March 2013 21: 32
          scrabler,
          You break the list into groups, by class, and transitional models between them.
          And how to write on building a class or a mosaic decide for yourself,
          Just make links to parts of the article below if it is broken into parts.
          I would also like to have an idea of ​​its strengths and weaknesses as well as the combat use of what is called by users, without officialdom, in addition to the overview part where what and when.
  20. +3
    5 March 2013 20: 03
    Natural hammer drill like g11
  21. +1
    6 March 2013 03: 49
    This caliber is just a bomb. A friend bought fn 5/7. So we did not climb out of the shooting range for two days. One minus an expensive cartridge. But what an unusual .. There is practically no return. But the bullet speed is just crazy (see the numbers yourself). You can shoot very accurately. Something reminiscent of TT but the recoil is less, completely plastic ... and WORKS AS A HOUSING SWISS FACTORY National used a different concept of pistol cartridge. In my opinion, terribly successful.
    1. +2
      6 March 2013 18: 52
      It seemed to you that it is completely plastic, the steel casing is bolted, covered with plastic, yes) You can remove the bolt casing and estimate that it is harder or the gun itself without it, it was due to the mass of the housing and bolt and the hard return spring to apply the scheme with the free gate in this sample.
  22. troll face
    0
    8 March 2013 00: 15
    Will there be new articles about PP soon?
    1. +1
      9 March 2013 01: 28
      after a few articles) there is in fact another weapon)
      1. Peacemaker
        0
        11 March 2013 10: 00
        Well, a variety of weapons will not let you suffer idleness smile
        Give more articles, good and different good
  23. 0
    14 March 2013 14: 51
    Personally, I am not attracted to such futuristic weapons ...