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Aviation performance of the Peresvet combat laser system: carriers, targets, tactics of application

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Aviation performance of the Peresvet combat laser system: carriers, targets, tactics of application

In the previous article “Secrets of the Peresvet complex: how does the Russian laser sword work?” we examined the most likely options for the implementation of the combat laser complex (BLK) "Relight". Are there any prerequisites for considering the aviation performance of this complex? Yes, such a variant of Peresvet BLK can be created. We shall call it conditionally ”BLK“ Peresvet-A ”.


What reasons suggest that this is possible? Such information was reported in an interview with the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda by Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko. In particular, it was reported that:

"In the coming years, it is planned (BLK Peresvet. - Aut.) To place it on an aircraft carrier ... work is underway to increase the capacity, mobility and compactness of the Peresvet complex, which can be achieved due to the modular principle of building basic systems."

Information about the possibility of increasing the power of the Peresvet BLK due to the modularity of the design indirectly confirms the assumption that the nuclear pumped laser is the basis of this complex. As we said in the previous material, fiber lasers have the best opportunities for increasing power by combining individual modules, but the likelihood of their use in the Peresvet BLK is small due to the fact that this technology "leaked" from Russia during the years of perestroika. The possibility of implementing gas-dynamic or chemical lasers in a modular design can be called into question. But the power of nuclear-pumped lasers can be varied by changing the number of laser cells, which is consistent with the concept of modularity.


Laser cell layout


Scheme of a laser-active element (LAEL): 1 - neutron flux; 2 - fragments of divisions; 3 - layer U235; 4 - laser-active medium; 5 - optical windows; 6 - “deaf” mirror; 7 - output mirror; 8 - laser beam

Let's try to guess on which aviation carriers can be placed BLK "Peresvet" and what tasks it can solve in the interests of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. For convenience, we refer to the aviation version of the Peresvet BLK as the Peresvet-A BLK.

Airplanes of military transport aviation (BTA) of the Russian Federation


The most obvious platform for the Peresvet-A aviation laser combat complex (ABLK) is the aircraft of the military transport aviation of the air forces of the Russian Federation.

Pending prospects for the use of laser weapons on air carriers и Possibilities of implementing the Peresvet BLK based on chemical or gas-dynamic lasers We have seen that projects for deploying lasers on BTA aircraft were developed both in the USSR / Russia and in the USA. Of the latest projects, this is the Soviet / Russian aviation laser complex - the A-60 experimental flying laboratory or the American project of the Boeing YAL-1 missile defense aircraft complex.


A-60 experimental flying laboratory and Boeing YAL-1

Both projects did not reach serial production due to the imperfection of the gas-dynamic and chemical lasers used in them. Nevertheless, in the process of testing, unique data were obtained on the operation of aircraft-carrier lasers, nonlinear effects arising from the propagation of high-power laser radiation in the atmosphere, and methods for their compensation were studied.

Presumably, the main objectives of the prospective ABLK based on the A-60 complex were to be the low-orbit spacecraft (SC) of the enemy, while the American Boeing YAL-1 was intended to destroy ballistic missiles in the active phase of the flight (after launch) at a distance of up to 600 kilometers .

Given the dimensions of Peresvet BLK, Il-76 aircraft, for example, in the modification of IL-476, or promising IL-96-400T, may become its carriers.


Transport aircraft IL-76


Sketch of a promising transport aircraft IL-476


Transport aircraft IL-96-400T

If the carrying capacity of these aircraft is not enough, then the An-124 Ruslan aircraft or the perspective heavy transport aircraft PAK TA (a promising aviation complex for transport aviation, which has received the designation Il-106), designed to replace it, can act as carriers.


Transport aircraft An-124 Ruslan


PAK TA concepts. It is unlikely that PAK TA will be created on the basis of any extravagant layout, most likely it will be a classic-design aircraft

Another candidate may be considered the modification of the IL-76 aircraft - an increased-capacity aircraft IL-96-500T, designed for the transportation of bulky cargo.


Project transport aircraft IL-96-500T

Which transport aircraft can be considered the most likely carrier? It is possible to immediately exclude An-124 from this list, since this aircraft was developed by the Ukrainian design bureau Antonov and is no longer produced, and the modification of existing vehicles may turn out to be too risky and inefficient.

BLK "Peresvet" is hardly a cheap system. As a carrier, its value will play an important role in reducing the total cost of ABLK. Also, if the Peresvet BLK is implemented on the basis of a nuclear-pumped laser, the presence of radioactive materials on board places high demands on the reliability of the carrier. So, the most likely candidate for the role of carrier ABLK is the Il-76 transport aircraft, or its latest modification - Il-476.

It can be assumed that in the event that Peresvet ABLK on the basis of IL-76/476 proves to be effective, a more powerful modification of the ABLK can be created already on the basis of a larger and larger IL-106 aircraft, which is currently being developed.

Tasks of ABLK "Peresvet-A": space


What tasks can be assigned to ABLK "Peresvet-A"? Most likely, in the first place it will be intended to destroy low-orbit spacecraft or their sensitive sensors.

In comparison with the ground-based Peresvet BLK, the Peresvet-A anti-aircraft missile will have increased capabilities for hitting enemy spacecraft for at least two reasons.

Firstly, the placement of a combat laser on an aircraft carrier will minimize the influence of the atmosphere, especially its surface part. When directing high-power ground-based lasers, it is required to take into account the complex nonlinear effects that occur in the atmosphere, which places high demands on the guidance system. At an altitude of over 10 kilometers, these phenomena should manifest themselves to a much lesser extent. The influence of precipitation will also be reduced: in principle, Peresvet-A ABLK can simply leave the precipitation zone or rise above the clouds.

Secondly, enemy satellites move in different orbits. In some cases, it may be necessary to defeat the satellites, whose orbits are distant, relative to the locations of the Peresvet BLK. In this case, ABLK "Peresvet-A" can quickly advance to the position optimal for the destruction of the selected spacecraft. Similarly, ABLK "Peresvet-A" can be used to destroy maneuvering spacecraft.


There are many possible orbits on which artificial satellites can be deployed.

Tasks of ABLK "Peresvet-A": air


Without denying the importance of fighting the enemy’s spacecraft, it can be assumed that Peresvet-A ABLK will turn out to be a more important combat complex for the Russian Air Force, capable of significantly affecting the tactics of warfare in the air. In the article “Laser weapons on combat aircraft. Can I resist him? ”, we examined the effects of the advent of laser weapons on combat aircraft. In fact, it will be extremely difficult to resist promising combat aircraft with laser weapons with a power of 300 kW and higher. The capabilities of laser weapons to intercept air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, as well as the exceptional capabilities to destroy enemy aircraft in close combat, will require promising new generation aviation systemswhich it will be practically impossible to resist on existing combat vehicles.


Laser weapons will become an integral part of promising combat aircraft

But this is a matter of at least the medium term (2030-2050), but the Peresvet-A ABLK, apparently, can be implemented in a relatively short time. How can it be used for war in the air?

The structure and capabilities of the combat aviation group on the basis of ABLK "Peresvet-A"


The proposed combat aviation group should include one A-100 Premier Long-Range Radar Detection Aircraft (AWACS), one Peresvet-A ABLK and two to four Su-57 multi-functional fighters with air-to-air missiles. Also, promising unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) S-70 Okhotnik can be included in a combat aviation group.


A promising combat aviation group, including Peresvet-A ABLK, A-100 Premier AWACS, two to four Su-57 multi-functional fighters, and, possibly, the S-70 Okhotnik UAV

The main objective of such a combat aviation group is the creation of a highly stable A2AD zone (anti-access and area denial - restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver).

Based on the assumed and real capabilities of the American Boeing YAL-1 airborne laser complex with an estimated laser power of up to 14 MW and an actual order of 1 MW and a corresponding target range (launching ballistic missiles), estimated at up to 600 km and actual up to 250 km (presumably at training targets were struck at such a distance), you can find out the estimated range of destruction of air targets ABLK "Peresvet-A".


Boeing YAL-1 combat operation diagram

When a laser with a power of 1-3 megawatts is installed on ABLK Peresvet-A, the range of destruction of enemy aircraft can be about 250-300 kilometers and up to 500-600 kilometers with a corresponding increase in laser power. Based on this, Peresvet-A ABLK, even with a laser power of 1 MW, is capable of hitting air targets beyond the range of existing air-to-air (B-B) weapons, and with an increase in power beyond the range of promising V-B missiles.

The question arises: isn’t it easier to create long-range air-to-air missiles? It is possible, but they will not replace laser weapons, but will complement .

The range of most modern V-V missiles is about 100 km, with the latest modifications about 150-160 km.


The range of the latest air-to-air missiles AIM-120D and MBDA Meteor is about 150-160 km

Long-range missiles of the Russian R-37 type, promising RVV-BD or ultra-long-range KS-172 are distinguished by significant dimensions and weight, as well as low maneuverability, which allows them to work only for non-maneuverable targets. In addition, they can be shot down by the latest enemy V-B missiles, which have the ability to directly intercept (hit-to-kill). At maximum range, B-B missiles will have minimal efficiency due to loss of energy and speed. This also applies to V-B rockets with a ramjet engine, they just have a different velocity curve. At the same time, they will meet with interceptor missiles at the optimum range for those when their power and maneuverability will be maximized.

Do not forget about the capabilities of electronic warfare (EW) systems that can disrupt the target capture of active radar homing missiles V-V, which have significantly lower energy capabilities compared to the radar of the carrier, not to mention the radar of an Aircraft. Due to the long launch range, the correction according to the radar data of the carrier aircraft or the AWACS aircraft may also be difficult or impossible due to the operation of electronic warfare equipment.


Promising Russian long-range and ultra-long-range missiles RVV-BD and KS-172

The increase in the dimensions and mass of B-B missiles of long and ultra-long range leads to a decrease in the ammunition load of carriers. Thus, most of the launched B-B missiles of long and ultra-long range can be intercepted by the B-B missiles of the enemy of short and medium range, the ammunition of which will be much larger with a comparable number of carriers.

Thus, only ABLK “Peresvet-A” (or its analogue) will be able to ensure the possibility of confident destruction of air targets at ranges of 200-300 or more kilometers. At least until all enemy aircraft are equipped with the appropriate anti-laser protection. And this, consider, replacement or deep modernization of the entire fleet of military and auxiliary aircraft.

It should be understood that for missiles there are only hit / miss situations. In case of a miss, the result of the attack will be zero. If we are talking about the effects of laser radiation, then everything is different. The aforementioned lesion ranges of Peresvet-A ABLK are assumed on the basis of test data from the American airborne laser system Boeing YAL-1, on which training liquid and solid fuel ballistic missiles were hit.

In the situation with the aircraft, even partial damage can completely disable the aircraft, for example, the cockpit is an extremely vulnerable target - it is much easier to disable it than to damage the aircraft body. And do not think about inhumane blindness. From blinding with an IR laser, it is enough to simply protect yourself with glasses or a helmet with a special filter. And if the filter could not stand it, then, then, the radiation power is such that the pilot is guaranteed to be dead.

In addition, the sensitive elements of the avionics are located behind radio-transparent radomes - radar, elements of the electronic warfare system. Disabling them will make enemy aircraft defenseless targets. In other words, a powerful laser weapon, if it doesn’t hit an enemy’s aircraft, can “drive away” them, as Gandalf drove the Nazguls with his staff.


Elements of aircraft that are most vulnerable to laser weapons

The task of ABLK “Peresvet-A” as part of this aviation combat group may vary depending on the characteristics of the combat laser installed on it. The main criterion here is the mode of operation of the combat laser, namely the duration of breaks between “shots”, which can be regulated by the need to cool the system or accumulate energy (depending on the type of laser used). The second important component is the ability to retarget the beam of ABLK "Peresvet-A" in real time, which is necessary to defeat maneuvering targets. Laser power ABLK "Peresvet-A" should be from 1 megawatt or more, similar to that expected for BLK "Peresvet".

Thus, depending on the duration of the continuous operation of the laser, the duration of the breaks between the "shots" of the laser, and the capabilities of the beam guidance system, the goals of ABLK Peresvet in the order of decreasing priority may be:

1. Aircraft AWACS, EW aircraft, tanker aircraft.
2. Aircraft of tactical and strategic aviation.
3. Missile weapons of the enemy, including missiles: air-air, air-ground, ground-air, etc.


The alleged tactics of using ABLK "Peresvet-A" against aviation


Aircraft DRLO, using its powerful radar with a phased antenna array, detects enemy aircraft and gives target designation ABLK "Peresvet-A" and Su-57 fighters. The main objective of the Su-57 fighters is to cover the aircraft AWACS and ABLK "Peresvet-A". At the same time, the “Okhotnik” UAVs can act as carriers of V-V weapons or electronic warfare equipment, and if the “Okhotnik” UAVs are equipped with radars similar to those installed on the Su-57, they can be advanced in the direction of the enemy for reconnaissance especially dangerous directions.

Even if ABLK Peresvet-A can only fight with AWACS, electronic warfare aircraft and tankers, a combat air group based on it will already pose a significant threat to the enemy. He will have to take AWACS and EW aircraft into the depths of battle formation, which will sharply reduce their effectiveness, and / or use the radar of tactical aircraft, revealing their location. As a result, the effectiveness of the actions of all enemy combat aircraft will be significantly reduced,

In the event that the capabilities of Peresvet-A ABLK will allow the destruction of tactical aircraft and missile weapons, the combat aviation group at its base will turn into a kind of “heavenly fortress” that can withstand significant enemy forces, conduct both defensive and offensive combat action in the air.

It should be borne in mind that the potential enemy is also not idle, focusing on equipping with a universal laser weapon practically the entire fleet of tactical, strategic, transport and auxiliary aviation. For example, one of the most interesting developments:

Boeing was able to create a compact and powerful source of laser radiation, which can provide a "laser revolution" in the military.

A new type of laser based on TDL technology (Thin Disk Laser) not only proved its operability, but also produced a 30-kW beam, which was 30% higher than the military requirements. Note that for the interception of UAVs, shells, mortar mines and destruction of manpower, even with current guidance systems, a laser with a power of 10 kW or more is sufficient. Thus, the very promising TDL concept has proved the possibility of developing compact high-energy combat lasers with a highly concentrated powerful and ultra-bright laser beam.

The contract to develop a high-power thin-disk laser or TDL was signed between the Pentagon and Boeing in the spring of 2011. Laser on thin disks attracted the military to a number of unique features. So, TDL can generate laser pulses of very high power and of various durations. The size of the laser core is very small: with a diameter of 10 mm for a laser with a power of tens of kilowatts. Moreover, a thin-disk laser has a much higher efficiency (up to 70%) than other types of solid-state lasers. This means that combat TDL will not need bulky liquid cooling systems and power sources of excess power.

TDL technology is already used for cutting metal and has proven its worth - such lasers are reliable and require a minimum of maintenance. True, the military has much higher TDL requirements, but Boeing experts are confident that they will be able to create a compact, reliable combat laser with a power of about 100 kW.

Such a laser can be placed on armored vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, ships. Thanks to TDL there will be new opportunities to intercept a variety of air targets and defeat manpower and equipment. Instant energy delivery, absolute accuracy and powerful psychological impact make the laser a very effective weapon. In addition, the laser is capable of hitting point targets at a distance of several kilometers with zero or minimal collateral damage.

The only drawback of laser guns is still the complexity of their operation, associated with size, weight, the need to use liquid cooling systems and powerful sources of power supply. In many ways, a thin-disk laser solves these problems, which may make laser weapons widespread in the armies of developed countries.



Disk laser circuit

The estimated laser efficiency is impressive - 70%. If it is achieved, this will be an important milestone in the development of laser weapons.

The appearance of laser weapons to some extent can make a war in the air similar to a war of artillery ships. In this sense, “gauge”, read: laser power, will be of decisive importance, as well as “armor thickness” - anti-laser protection. In this case, ABLK “Peresvet-A” can become a kind of battleship in relation to enemy combat aircraft equipped with laser weapons of lower power, with consequences for the enemy.

PS Once again. It will be protected from laser weapons complicated. To do this, it will be necessary to significantly modernize or completely replace the entire fleet of combat and auxiliary aircraft.
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Photos used:
redstar.ru, book.sarov.ru, vniief.ru, uac-ta.ru, mediasat.info, sukhoi.org
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Laser weapons: technology, history, status, prospects. Part of 1
Laser weapons: prospects in the air force. Part of 2
Laser weapons: ground forces and air defense. Part of 3
Laser weapons: navy. Part of 4
Resist light: protection from laser weapons. Part of 5
Laser weapons on combat aircraft. Is it possible to resist him?
2050 year combat aircraft concept and weapons based on new physical principles
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  1. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 28 February 2020 18: 11
    +12
    Maybe "Peresvet" will first show itself from the earth's surface ?? And then there are almost star wars ...
  2. Lexus
    Lexus 28 February 2020 18: 15
    +9
    Andrei, you express very sensible thoughts in the article and in the series as a whole. Thanks! good
    A laser beam of optimism ... in the dark "kingdom" of sad realities, alas.
  3. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 28 February 2020 19: 17
    +10
    The feeling that I read the Youth Technique.
    1. Whalebone
      Whalebone 29 February 2020 10: 48
      +10
      Doesn't pull on TM, rather Young Technician
  4. L-39NG
    L-39NG 28 February 2020 20: 42
    +4
    "Another candidate can be considered modification of the IL-76 aircraft - IL-96-500T increased payload aircraft, designed for the transportation of bulky goods. "Who is this written for? These are the engineers.
  5. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 28 February 2020 21: 43
    +7
    From a sense of strength and superiority, already hair stood on the scruff of the neck! But have they already been aware of this in the Design Bureau and the Moscow Region, or have they not yet been notified of this?
  6. Nikolay3
    Nikolay3 28 February 2020 22: 20
    +4
    Long-range missiles of the Russian R-37 type, promising RVV-BD or ultra-long-range KS-172 are distinguished by significant dimensions and weight, as well as low maneuverability, What allow work with them only for non-maneuverable purposes. In addition, they can be shot down by the latest enemy V-V missilespossessing the ability to directly intercept (hit-to-kill). At maximum range, B-B missiles will have minimal efficiency due to loss of energy and speed.

    Dear author! Please name the B-V missiles of the opponents of Russia, which have a speed of 6M at maximum range, overload capability for maneuvering 45g, having ARGS and the possibility of direct interception (hit-to-kill), as well as those currently in service with NATO and the USA . I guess there are no such missiles.
    And what do you consider to be a non-maneuverable goal?
    1. Shopping Mall
      29 February 2020 10: 21
      -1
      Quote: Nikolay3
      Long-range missiles of the Russian R-37 type, promising RVV-BD or ultra-long-range KS-172 are distinguished by significant dimensions and weight, as well as low maneuverability, What allow work with them only for non-maneuverable purposes. In addition, they can be shot down by the latest enemy V-V missilespossessing the ability to directly intercept (hit-to-kill). At maximum range, B-B missiles will have minimal efficiency due to loss of energy and speed.

      Dear author! Please name the B-V missiles of the opponents of Russia, which have a speed of 6M at maximum range, overload capability for maneuvering 45g, having ARGS and the possibility of direct interception (hit-to-kill), as well as those currently in service with NATO and the USA . I guess there are no such missiles. And what do you consider to be a non-maneuverable goal?


      The question is how many of these missiles are in service, in warehouses? The U.S. is buying the latest versions of B-B missiles in tens of thousands, and we have a bad tendency - we can create, and even buy a super-duper stealth aircraft, and throw cast-iron blanks from it conceptually similar to those used in WWII. In laser weapons, at least consumables, read a shot, are cheap.

      The question also arises of 6M in the final section, then what is the maximum speed? It is believed that our solid fuel is inferior to the American one, there is no ramjet as on Meteor on RVV-AE, how then is this speed achieved at maximum range? And there is no speed - there is no maneuverability in 8G.

      Unmaneuverable targets are AWACS, tankers, etc.
      1. Salty
        Salty 29 February 2020 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: AVM
        US purchases the latest tens of thousands of B-B missiles

        Yes, write already "hundreds of thousands" that they, foes, feel sorry for something.
        1. Shopping Mall
          29 February 2020 10: 32
          +4
          Quote: SaltY
          Quote: AVM
          US purchases the latest tens of thousands of B-B missiles

          Yes, write already "hundreds of thousands" that they, foes, feel sorry for something.


          As I am, I am writing. I do not have the habit of looking at reality through pink glasses, however, I am also not inclined to depressive pessimism - I try to be realistic.

          Raytheon and the U.S. Air Force are developing a new signal processor for the AMRAAM air combat range as part of the Form Fit Function Refresh (F3R) program. The message was made on January 31. The update takes place against the background of the production of 20 thousand missiles of this type. Fighters equipped with these missiles shot down 10 enemy aircraft and completed more than 4200 successful test firing. AIM-120 AMRAAM remains the most proven and technologically advanced UR of this class in the world. The ability of a rocket to track targets in the face of strong electronic counteraction makes it a leader in the air-to-air weapon class. These missiles are in service with military aviation in 37 countries. The latest version of the AIM-120D has a 50% longer range than the base, and a much more advanced guidance system with a two-way data line.
          Translated materials. Military parity
          1. Salty
            Salty 29 February 2020 11: 23
            +3
            Quote: AVM
            The update takes place against the background of the production of 20 thousand missiles of this type

            Will all 20000 go to the US? How many years? And by the way, two (ten thousand) is "not a bunch", as you used there:

            Quote: AVM
            US purchases the latest tens of thousands of B-B missiles

            Search, admit.
            1. Shopping Mall
              29 February 2020 11: 31
              0
              Quote: SaltY
              Quote: AVM
              The update takes place against the background of the production of 20 thousand missiles of this type

              Will all 20000 go to the US? How many years? And by the way, two (ten thousand) is "not a bunch", as you used there:

              Quote: AVM
              US purchases the latest tens of thousands of B-B missiles

              Search, admit.


              It is possible that it is too much, although 20000 is "tens of thousands", although only two hi
              The question is, how much is RVV-SD, RVV-DB?

              Here is a relevant article on this subject:
              https://topwar.ru/163650-rakety-ili-muzejnye-jeksponaty-chem-rossijskie-istrebiteli-budut-voevat-protiv-zapada.html
              1. Salty
                Salty 29 February 2020 11: 34
                +1
                Quote: AVM
                Here is a relevant article on this subject.

                ATP hi
          2. Nikolay3
            Nikolay3 29 February 2020 19: 02
            +3
            Quote: AVM
            The ability of a missile to track targets in the face of strong electronic counteraction makes it a leader in the air-to-air weapon class. These missiles are in service with military aviation in 37 countries. Latest Version AIM-120D It has a 50% longer range than the base, and a much more advanced guidance system with a two-way data line.

            Author! And what about rockets RVV-BD R-37M, cannot does tracking goals in the face of strong electronic countermeasures? And what Russian missile RVV-BD R-37M has perfect guidance system with 2-way data transfer?
            I did not expect from you, the author, not quite literate sayings.
            1. Shopping Mall
              1 March 2020 20: 46
              0
              Quote: Nikolay3

              Author! And what about rockets RVV-BD R-37M, cannot does tracking goals in the face of strong electronic countermeasures? .


              This is always an open question; the issue of countering radar and electronic warfare without practice cannot be verified.

              Quote: Nikolay3
              And what Russian missile RVV-BD R-37M has perfect guidance system with 2-way data transfer?


              According to one data, up to 100 km, according to others over the entire range. Here the issue of noise immunity of communication and electronic warfare as in the previous paragraph.

              Quote: Nikolay3
              I did not expect from you, the author, not quite literate sayings.


              What sayings? This is a quote, source indicated. The advantages of domestic missiles were not denied in it, and the advantages of US missiles were not presented. It's just that they are not in service, physically. Or very few.
      2. Nikolay3
        Nikolay3 29 February 2020 18: 42
        +3
        Quote: AVM
        The question is how many of these missiles are in service, in warehouses? The U.S. is buying the latest versions of B-B missiles in tens of thousands, and we have a bad tendency - we can create, and even buy a super-duper stealth aircraft, and throw cast-iron blanks from it conceptually similar to those used in WWII. In laser weapons, at least consumables, read a shot, are cheap.

        The author does not need to get away from the specific questions asked by me! In the arsenal of the US and NATO aircraft, the RVV-DB with an overload capacity of 45g and a speed of 6M in the final section of its flight is not. They are only in development - for example, CUBA missiles. So, they will not be able to intercept Russian missiles RVV-BD R-37M, the US Air Force and NATO countries yet!
        And please give an example of installing laser weapons on real aircraft, and not experimental ones: like a fighter, a fighter - a bomber that can destroy the aircraft themselves, not avionics sensors, and which are in service with NATO and the USA. You can’t - there are no such aircraft in service yet! What you write in your answers does not hold water.

        Quote: AVM
        ТThe question of 6M in the final section also arises, then what is the maximum speed? It is believed that our solid fuel is inferior to the American one, there is no ramjet as on Meteor on RVV-AE, how then is this speed achieved at maximum range?

        The author does not need to show complete ignorance of physics. Your thesis about our lagging behind the Americans in the field of solid fuel chemistry is just an assumption based on mass and overall dimensions and no more, forgetting about our new missiles and their dimensions, and about the rate of combustion of solid fuel, you forgot.
        And there is no speed - there is no maneuverability in 8G.

        You have a strange thesis, author! You obviously forgot about the gas-dynamic transverse control engines.
        Quote: AVM
        Unmaneuverable targets are AWACS, tankers, etc.

        Author! The latest Russian missile RVV-BD R-37M has a speed of 6M at the end of the flight and overload capacity when maneuvering 22-24g based on open press materials, and is easy can destroy US aircraft: F-22, F-35. However all only real air combat can solve, therefore, the word may be in my 2 sentences. You can calculate yourself from open press materials at what distance these types of aircraft will be detected and captured by the R-37M ARGSN.
        1. Shopping Mall
          1 March 2020 21: 10
          0
          Quote: Nikolay3
          Quote: AVM
          The question is how many of these missiles are in service, in warehouses? The U.S. is buying the latest versions of B-B missiles in tens of thousands, and we have a bad tendency - we can create, and even buy a super-duper stealth aircraft, and throw cast-iron blanks from it conceptually similar to those used in WWII. In laser weapons, at least consumables, read a shot, are cheap.

          The author does not need to get away from the specific questions asked by me! In the arsenal of the US and NATO aircraft, the RVV-DB with an overload capacity of 45g and a speed of 6M in the final section of its flight is not. They are only in development - for example, CUBA missiles. So, they will not be able to intercept Russian missiles RVV-BD R-37M, the US Air Force and NATO countries yet!


          In fact, we do not have such missiles. And if there is, then an extremely small amount.

          Missile-in is not RCC, it does not maneuver to evade interception, at least for now. At least because it reduces her own ability to intercept maneuvering targets. Therefore, the enemy airborne missiles may well intercept it in a straight line of flight.

          Quote: Nikolay3
          And please give an example of installing laser weapons on real aircraft, and not experimental ones: like a fighter, a fighter - a bomber that can destroy the aircraft themselves, not avionics sensors, and which are in service with NATO and the USA. You can’t - there are no such aircraft in service yet! What you write in your answers does not hold water.


          And what's this? If about the possibility of creating an aviation version of the Peresvet BLK, then questions to the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Aleksey Krivoruchko, who told the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper about this.

          And so the latest of the real, with the tests, the American YAL-1. And in general, at the end of the article, links to other articles on the topic, there is about the use of lasers in aviation - https://topwar.ru/155386-lazernoe-oruzhie-perspektivy-v-voenno-vozdushnyh-silah-chast-2.html

          I would like to believe that with "Relight" we made a breakthrough. However, I also considered pessimistic options.

          Quote: Nikolay3
          Quote: AVM
          ТThe question of 6M in the final section also arises, then what is the maximum speed? It is believed that our solid fuel is inferior to the American one, there is no ramjet as on Meteor on RVV-AE, how then is this speed achieved at maximum range?

          The author does not need to show complete ignorance of physics. Your thesis about our lagging behind the Americans in the field of solid fuel chemistry is just an assumption based on mass and overall dimensions and no more, forgetting about our new missiles and their dimensions, and about the rate of combustion of solid fuel, you forgot.


          As for fuel, this is a fairly well-known fact. Here, either we overtook everyone very steeply, or is our fuel comparable or worse, whereas we got the parameters of rockets cooler than American? As the burning rate is not regulated, either the speed will be higher at first, and then it will decrease, or it will be maintained around a certain value.

          RVV-BD weighs more than 500 kg, AIM-120 weighs a little more than 150 kg, these are missiles of different classes. The RVV-DB has a diameter of almost 40 cm, the AIM-120 has less than 18 cm, which means less loss of resistance, less EPR. And they are tested many times by air combat. And how is RVV-DB checked?

          Quote: Nikolay3
          And there is no speed - there is no maneuverability in 8G.

          You have a strange thesis, author! You obviously forgot about the gas-dynamic transverse control engines.


          Immediately after the operation of the transverse control engines, the rocket, if it has developed fuel, or if it is not with ramjet, will sharply lose speed.
          And by the way, does RVV-DB have gas-dynamic transverse control engines?

          Quote: Nikolay3
          Quote: AVM
          Unmaneuverable targets are AWACS, tankers, etc.

          Author! The latest Russian missile RVV-BD R-37M has a speed of 6M at the end of the flight and overload capacity when maneuvering 22-24g based on open press materials, and is easy can destroy US aircraft: F-22, F-35. However all only real air combat can solve, therefore, the word may be in my 2 sentences. You can calculate yourself from open press materials at what distance these types of aircraft will be detected and captured by the R-37M ARGSN.


          I would like to believe.
  7. Nameless
    Nameless 28 February 2020 23: 14
    -3
    Finally released! And how many copies were broken in disputes with old grumblings, that "eRefiya" in terms of science will never be able to surpass the USSR with its "Sanguine" and "Compression"! How many copies were broken in disputes with the liberals, that there will never be anything like this in the "impoverished, thieves 'totalitarian rashka," that "the only thing your country is capable of is serving as a raw material colony for the West and replenishing the oligarchs' offshore accounts"! Here's all of you "for shoulder straps"!
    Well, nothing, now there will be arguments that "this is not yet in service", that "it is not necessary", that "it is better to distribute money to pensioners" and once again we will discuss "how scary to live".
    1. bars1
      bars1 29 February 2020 11: 56
      -1
      Unfortunately, we lag behind the Americans ... Without being able to use fiber lasers, we use laser-pumped lasers (with all their costs). We are proud that we were one of the first to accept the BLK on pilot combat duty, although it is not quite modern in execution. But fishlessness and cancer are fish.
      1. Nameless
        Nameless 29 February 2020 11: 59
        -3
        Technology is a business. It is not yet known with what types of lasers they experimented. Maybe in the future they will also use a fiber laser - in Russia this is not know-how: it’s enough to recall that such lasers have been used in our surgery since the 80s.
      2. Shopping Mall
        1 March 2020 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: bars1
        Unfortunately, we lag behind the Americans ... Without being able to use fiber lasers, we use laser-pumped lasers (with all their costs). We are proud that we were one of the first to accept the BLK on pilot combat duty, although it is not quite modern in execution. But fishlessness and cancer are fish.


        There is also a very interesting topic of solid-state disk lasers, perhaps even more promising than optical fiber.

        However, if BLK "Peresvet" is really a nuclear-pumped laser, then it is a "diamond in the crown". Many may develop solid-state, gas or fiber lasers, but crossing nuclear and laser technologies ... Perhaps this is one of our main advantages. Most of the countries in general, even in theory, cannot carry out such work.
  8. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 28 February 2020 23: 48
    +6
    Why do I really want to ask .. The author on coffee grounds wondered ali on chicken bones with pork ribs? wassat
  9. mark1
    mark1 29 February 2020 03: 25
    0
    The article is good, if only as an attempt to conscientiously analyze the capabilities of the BLK and the tactics of its combat use made on the basis of open information. What is true, what is not true will become known only with time, so that at the moment you can especially criticize and not strain.
  10. Shuttle
    Shuttle 29 February 2020 08: 36
    -2
    Pew Pew. Start.
    (not a joke, unfortunately)
    And the article is excellent. Thanks to the author.
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 February 2020 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: Shuttle
      Pew Pew. Start.
      (not a joke, unfortunately)

      And the end bang bang .. It was not in vain that our designers worked intensively in this direction during the Soviet era and, most importantly, they kept everything after the collapse of the USSR .. The USA in this direction weaves its tail with all its huge military budget .. This is not bragging, it is a fact!
  11. mentor69
    mentor69 29 February 2020 09: 10
    +3
    Everything is set out beautifully, really beautifully, even with pictures, what would happen if it were .... Something New Vasyuki remembered.
  12. Winnie76
    Winnie76 29 February 2020 09: 58
    -1
    Everything is very cool with this ABLK, just chocolate. The only thing, if the author is right, is the flying reactor and the consequences of the crash can be very sad. I wonder if it is possible to provide sufficient protection against destruction in case of a possible fall.
    1. Shopping Mall
      1 March 2020 21: 15
      +2
      Quote: Winnie76
      Everything is very cool with this ABLK, just chocolate. The only thing, if the author is right, is the flying reactor and the consequences of the crash can be very sad. I wonder if it is possible to provide sufficient protection against destruction in case of a possible fall.


      Yes, that would be sad. But taking into account the information about the Burevestnik missile launcher, I considered the assumption of the placement of a nuclear-pumped laser on an aircraft acceptable.
  13. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 29 February 2020 10: 02
    +2
    Yes....
    And nothing is known about Peresvet, but here it is already mentally shoved into modifications of aircraft and missiles that do not exist yet.

    What if he’s only working against drones, but how is the air defense system illumination?
    Then all these thoughts on wood are nowhere ...
    1. Shopping Mall
      1 March 2020 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: Alex2000
      Yes....
      And nothing is known about Peresvet, but here it is already mentally shoved into modifications of aircraft and missiles that do not exist yet.

      What if he’s only working against drones, but how is the air defense system illumination?
      Then all these thoughts on wood are nowhere ...


      This is also a very likely scenario. Just rather not against drones, and certainly not the illumination of air defense systems, but what’s only against satellite optics is possible, but it would be extremely sad - so much pathos ...
  14. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 February 2020 10: 09
    +1
    I’m not a techie .. But I read the article as a first-grader-alphabet. There are smart people. What just do not come up. In any case, design bureaus and manufacturers - good luck, patience and financing.
  15. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 29 February 2020 10: 15
    +2
    It is painted wonderfully, but nothing of this will happen.
    1. bars1
      bars1 29 February 2020 11: 58
      0
      Of course it won't. Not only that, we all die!
  16. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 29 February 2020 12: 52
    0
    Why was it necessary to write a whole article with a mountain of pictures from the Internet, wouldn't it be easier to write about it in the "Fiction" section? The question revolves around the tongue - you first deal with the weapons that you promised from three boxes for the RF Armed Forces, boasted about their development 10 years ago, rolled at the Parade for 5 years in a row, and so on. Piece front and experienced units do not count. The fleet has almost no serious ships of the far ocean zone left, and those that are still from the USSR are surviving as best they can and wildly asking for modernization. For several years we have been building corvettes and frigates in the near and coastal zone. But fairy tales, developments, plastic models of either a nuclear destroyer, or a super aircraft carrier, or a helicopter carrier - 10 times a year at exhibitions. Multi-purpose submarines have been building one for 11 years. The constant fabulous postponement of the deadlines for the readiness of new technology - then again testing for another year or two, although for 6 years it has been praised in all the media as "having no analogues in the world." They came up with a new divorce of the people - the engine of the first stage. Then the engine of the second stage. Then the engine of the third stage. Then the wing of the second stage. Then the cabin of some stage. And so how old? 10-20? thirty? Maybe enough fairy tales for the whole world about "Peresvet, Poseidons, Hunters" and other crap?! Maybe at first silently, observing secrecy, develop, test, debug, bring to mind - and only then show the whole world - that's it! Love, tremble! Here he is a handsome man, at the Parade - an ideal tank, plane, dog-pilot, ship, laser and so on - tested up and down! And being put into service, DOES NOT HAVE ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD and goes into series! Then the world will gasp, and we, the Russians, will clap our hands happily and be proud of our industry, the army, designers and leadership! And what is happening now is populism, fairy tales-promises for the sake of recruiting a temporary internal rating of officials. And it's unfortunate. Because there are a lot of fairy tales from the Kremlin about super weapons, and the same VKS is still fighting in Syria with ancient methods - free-fall bombs or with the peak of NURS - the same ancient SU-30, SU-24! And almost like in the days of the Second World War - the MTR soldiers guide them to the target, risking their lives. And it’s worth saying objectively - even the Turks hit targets with artillery, more precisely than the Russian Aerospace Forces at times. And this despite the fact that a shot from the Turkish self-propelled guns T-25 "Firtina" with a high-precision projectile is ten times cheaper than the work of the same SU-155, which needs to be refueled, serviced, which needs time to take off, fly, bomb and return to base. You can tell sweet tales about "Peresvets and Poseidons" as much as you like - but the war is going on now, in the same Syria, in the Donbass, etc. And you need to fight now, with modern weapons, and not with fairy tales and promises from fantastic nonsense.
    1. Nameless
      Nameless 29 February 2020 15: 22
      0
      Well, the state means it has specially begun to publish materials about new military developments - so now it’s unhappy that the department shows the public what perspective will come into service. Previously, all the developments were behind a veil of secrecy, what about the "Black Eagle", what about the T-95, what about the Su-47, what about the "Spiral", what about the Soviet land laser systems like "Sanguine" there was no information - only speculation of journalists from the Internet. And everyone carried their propaganda nonsense about the collapse of the military-industrial complex, and about impoverished Russia in which they can only steal, and other nonsense. Now they have shown the world that we are not as poor as they think about us, and they have calmed our own people by demonstrating that the military-industrial complex, despite all the fables about its collapse, continues to create new military equipment. No, there will always be someone dissatisfied with the fact that the new has not arrived "here and now", that it is still being tested, design errors and shortcomings are revealed. Liberal women have a kind of "black optimism" - "everything that doesn't happen is for the worse"!
      Are you confused by the fact that the T-14 was shown for the first time in 2015, and now in the 20th they have not completely replaced all the tanks of the old models? I will reassure you - they have already been produced in the amount of several battalions, the regiment is almost formed. Besides, is it okay that work on a promising technique can go on for such a long time? Back in Soviet times, the last similar work on the topic "Poplar" (and later "boxer / rebel \ hammer \ note") lasted from the late 70s to the mid 90s. In our country, at one time, it was very badly burned when it adopted a revolutionary, albeit at the same time, openly "raw" T-64, which, moreover, was immediately produced in thousands of copies. Therefore, they are in no hurry with the release of the Armata - for it is much cheaper to release an experimental military batch and during its operation to identify all the defects than to immediately produce them in a giant batch and then spend a lot of time and money on their alteration, fine-tuning and repair.
      And what, you know a lot about MBTs in this white world, except for the T-14, which would have EMP protection, launch drones, have an uninhabited gun turret, a universal chassis and an armored capsule for the crew, and much more? In my opinion, the T-14 really "has no analogues"!
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 29 February 2020 16: 00
        0
        Before writing such a poem with notations to me, read ATTENTIVELY the text of the comment. And do not flip under your speculation.
        You will tell your friends in the kitchen over a pile of "liberal".
        1. Nameless
          Nameless 29 February 2020 16: 16
          +1
          Oh, come on, don’t be offended: as you wrote yourself, that’s how they understood you in terms of meaning. There are those in the world who wrote what you could have perceived even worse.
          And why you are not satisfied with the "poem" - do not overpower?
          How entertaining it is that you remotely tried to determine who I am - and the sidekick, and the kitchen, and the small fish ... a mistake! I don’t have relations with marginals, I don’t drink (and I don’t advise you), and in general I’m just a wonderful person! repeat
          Why talk about liberalism? With it, and so the whole Internet is oozing - the poor person has nowhere to go to relax.
  17. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 1 March 2020 04: 29
    0
    Will a nuclear-powered laser somolet turn into a kind of flying "Chernobyl"?
  18. Morgan
    Morgan 2 March 2020 13: 14
    0
    Again cartoons.
  19. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 26 March 2020 16: 52
    0
    On earth, you can always make a laser more powerful and thicker armor than on an airplane. Defeat with the speed of light will be the end of aviation.
  20. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin April 5 2020 17: 27
    0
    Quote: Kostadinov
    On earth, you can always make a laser more powerful and thicker armor than on an airplane. Defeat with the speed of light will be the end of aviation.


    Placing on the surface basically does not give anything new that traditional missile defense could not do. Given the curvature of the surface for low-flying targets and large dispersion - defocusing the beam in the lower atmosphere at large distances.

    More opportunities appear when launched into space, if the orbits are of the order of 3000 - 5000 km, with the number of satellites 20 - 30 everything will be hit
    airspace at medium and high altitudes.
    For such heavy satellites, launching into orbit is expensive. But to disable them with a missile defense is also expensive, in addition, they can defend themselves and shoot down anti-satellite missiles.

    Placing on airplanes is a cheaper option, and you can quickly increase opportunities about in some areas (for example, near the borders of Iran)

    For other countries, placement on airplanes is also an opportunity to reduce the satellite pro "partners". From the surface of the earth with laser weapons, this cannot be done for orbits with a large distance from the earth. The initial defocusing of the beam in the dense layers of the atmosphere at a distance of several thousand kilometers will transform the intensity of the combat laser beam into the same as the light of a powerful flashlight.