Knighthood of medieval Hungary

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Then Jesus said to him: Return your sword to its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
Matthew 26: 51


Knights and chivalry of three centuries.
How interesting it sometimes manages story! The Hungarians were one of those nations that came from Asia along the Steppe corridor to Europe and for many years terrified its inhabitants with their campaigns, on a par with the Arabs and the Vikings. They invaded France and Germany, made trips to Italy and even to Spain. However, having lost the battle on the Lech River in 955, they stopped their raids to the west and set about arranging their state. Former nomads and light-eyed archers, they quickly adopted the European military traditions and chivalrous culture and, over time, were practically in no way inferior to the armies of Western Europe. Well, we’ll tell you what their own troops were in 1050 — 1350.



Knighthood of medieval Hungary

Hungarian warrior of the 10th century from the Patriarchate of Aquileia (fresco)


State of many provinces


Note that the medieval Hungarian state was very large and included many provinces inhabited by non-Madiyar peoples, although after the conquest there was a significant Hungarian population living in them. But there were also such areas where it remained in the minority. That is, it was not a monocultural and mono-speaking population at that time. In many cities also lived a lot of Germans. The most significant were non-Madjar regions such as Transylvania (whose population was a mixed Hungarian, Romanian and German population) and Slovakia, Croatia, Bosnia, Temeshvar (northern Serbia) and northern Dalmatia, and the people who lived there were mostly Slavs. In the east, Wallachia and Moldavia were also under Hungarian suzerainty for some time, although not for a very short time.


What has always distinguished Eastern warriors from Western ones is their use of bows and metal plate armor, which are better protected from arrows. Fresco depicting St. George in the armor of an equestrian warrior from the church of Goreme in Turkey, 1000-1199


Initially, the Hungarians, or Magyars, were a nomadic people of Finno-Ugric origin, who came to Europe from Siberia, although they included a large contingent of representatives of Turkic nationality. When a significant part of their former military aristocracy perished on the battlefield of Lech, the psychology of the rest changed dramatically, and they gradually became integrated into Christian European civilization.


Also a fresco, this time from Syria. Dei Mar Musa-al-Nabasi Church, Nabq, 1000-1199 The rider has a typical knightly “saddle” saddle.


Hungary officially became Christian quite late, namely in the 1001 year, with the baptism of its first king, Stephen. Along with religion, Western European feudal institutions were also introduced, and its elite adopted Western culture, including military traditions. The world now reigned along the western border, but the new Christian Hungarian kingdom immediately began to fight with its northern, southern and eastern neighbors, trying to push the limits of its lands.

From the mid-10th century, Hungary’s western border included Slovakia, but not Moravia. Then she ran a little west of the current Hungarian-Austrian border, where she remained throughout the period under consideration. By the middle of the thirteenth century, Croatia and Dalmatia entered the Hungarian kingdom through marriage alliances. Bosnia was conquered from the Serbs, and western Wallachia was under Hungarian suzerainty. Then Hungary had to experience the full horror of the Mongol invasion in 1241, but the country, nevertheless, was never included in the Mongolian empire. In fact, Hungary recovered rather quickly, and during the XIV century turned into a powerful centralized state, oriented towards the West in everything. Bosnia was conquered again in the 1328 year, and Wallachia and Moldova remained under Hungarian suzerainty until the 1360s.


There are also effigii in Eastern Europe, but they are less preserved than in the West. Here is the effigy of knight Miklos Garay, 1380, Franciscan church in Siklos, Hungary. Effigy unusual. It is deeply embedded in the surface of the slab, which is not typical for the effigy of France, England and Germany. However, the knight depicted on it has a typical equipment for its time: helmet bascinet, Jupon, greaves, shoulder pads, lamellar sabatons and chains.



Hungarian horseman of the first half of the tenth century (№3). Fig. Angus McBride


Nomads in the center of Europe


As for the military affairs of the Magyars, the traditional military culture of this people is the culture of nomads. That's just no longer being such, they completely forgot her. Now, becoming Christians and focusing on the West who won them, they began to rely on a small number of knightly cavalry, which, as a tribute to the ancient tradition, was supported by horse archers. Archers had lighter armor, riders with spears and swords - heavier. The Hungarians of the Hungarians were also closer to the Sassanian, Caucasian, Byzantine or early Arabic type than to the Turkish. There is also evidence that the tactics of the Magyar cavalry archery were closer to the tactics of the Middle East than Central Asia. How this could happen is not quite clear. After all, they came just from Asia, and not from the Middle East. There can be only one explanation. The habitat of the Magyar tribes did not coincide with the range of the Proto-Turks, and they did not touch each other in the vast expanses of Asia. But the Caucasus and Iran had contacts with them during their resettlement to the West, and during these contacts the Magyars became acquainted with the military affairs of ancient Iran and adopted something from it. Interestingly, the early Magyars used rather complex siege weapons. That is, it is obvious that Hungary had trade contacts with the Islamic world in the 10th and 11th centuries, and they did not pass for it for nothing.


The same effect, close-up. On it you can see a rich knight's belt and chains going to the hilt of a sword and dagger. On the helmet is a barmitsa-aventail. On the hands of plate gloves with riveted plates.


The first phase of “Westernization” in the 10th and 11th centuries probably affected only the royal family, mercenary troops and the main barons. Some sections of the Magyar society, especially those who lived on the Great Plain, that is, in Pannonia, retained their customs until the XII century. Their main occupation according to tradition was horse breeding. However, the majority of the population, especially in areas with a population of the Slavs, always engaged in agriculture. Many Magyars also settled in these places and quickly adopted from the Slavs the words relating to horse breeding, which had Finno-Ugric roots, but to agriculture - Slavic! In turn, this led to the intensification of the feudalization of the country and the army. The light cavalry did not disappear, but its value diminished greatly, while weapon and the armor became largely, though not completely, Western European.


And now we look at a number of remarkable miniatures from the Hungarian manuscript "Chronicle Pictum" 1325-1360. (National Section Library, Budapest, Hungary) At first we see a warrior literally repeating, with the exception of a shield, the robe of a warrior depicted on effigy, but without armor on his feet.


Two more warriors from the same manuscript, too, for some reason do not have “iron” on their legs.


Hungary received another wave of nomadic migrants from the East just before the Mongol invasion, when tribes of Kumans and Polovtsi fled to its lands. The migrants were nomads, engaged in nomadic animal husbandry, and by this they were close to the Magyar people of Hungary. But after the Mongol invasion and the death of a huge number of people, a return to the former life became impossible. Moreover, now immigrants from Germany came to the devastated lands. Thus, on the territory of Hungary, a motley multinational mix of languages, cultures and peoples emerged, in which, however, the dominant feudal nobility was almost indistinguishable from their German or Italian counterparts, just like the German settlers and the German Teutonic knights in Transylvania.


But this warrior has very interesting scouts on his feet. Apparently they are made of leather, and from the inside they are lined with metal plates, the presence of which is given out by the heads of rivets. A traditional shield for warriors on all the miniatures of this manuscript, with a hole for a spear.


Hungary’s perennial wars with nomads in the steppes beyond the Carpathian Mountains probably explain the fact that despite the “westernization” of its cavalry troops, there continued the use of a large number of relatively lightly armed horse archers of various origins. In this case, in fact, the Hungarian army of the XIII century had a lot of common features with the Byzantine army, which also indicates the presence of strong influence on this side.


The Hungarian knights, sitting in chair-saddles, attack the Turkish soldiers, firing at them with bows. Chronicle Pictum 1325-1360 (National Library of the Section, Budapest, Hungary) It is clearly seen how shields with holes are used to support copies.


Crossbow against the bow


Pedestrian crossbowmen played a prominent role, with the majority of such warriors recruited from Slavic lands, such as, for example, Slovakia. The crossbow, by the way, very quickly became a popular weapon in Hungary, although even by the 15th century it didn’t completely replace a complex composite bow. Hungarians, like many other steppe peoples, used fortifications from wagons, known both to the Czechs, the Poles and also to the soldiers of Russia. Some believe that there are noticeable oriental features in Hungarian warfare, a consequence of Turkish influence. However, the Hungarians almost never met face to face with the Ottomans until the end of the XIV century, although the Turks crossed into Europe through the Bosphorus already in 1352, and already in 1389 a year later defeated the Serbs on the Kosovo field. So the use of wagons as field fortifications, as well as firearms, respectively, can be considered as examples of influence from Hungary, which quickly adapted all the new military affairs from Western Europe.


By the way, scenes of the battle with Muslims of European knights at that time were often placed in manuscripts, and often images of Muslims were, let's say, somewhat “removed” from reality, for example, like this miniature from Queen Mary Psalter. Created between 1310 and 1320, it contains 223 full-color and partially colored thumbnails. (British Library, London)

Использованная литература:
1. Nicolle, D. Arms and Armor of the Crusading Era, 1050 - 1350. UK L .: Greenhill Books. Vol.1.
2. Nicolle, D. Hungary, 1000-1568. UK L .: Osprey (Men-At-Arms # 195), 1988.


To be continued ...
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  1. +11
    28 May 2019 18: 43
    where about chivalry proper? on the subject of the article?
    probably it is necessary to say about the specifics of this social institution, the composition of chivalry and recruitment into it, finally about the features of the flax system and only then about weapons and equipment.
    while I see only something from the history of Hungary. However, maybe everything is ahead?
    1. +6
      28 May 2019 19: 03
      We will wait for the continuation, the author will not let you down.
      He is well done!
  2. +2
    28 May 2019 19: 02
    The "H" in the name of Hungary (and Latin Hungaria) is most likely due to early founded historical associations with the Huns, who had settled Hungary prior to the Avars. The rest of the word comes from the Latinized form of Byzantine Greek Oungroi (Οὔγγροι). According to an explanation, the Greek name was borrowed from Old Bulgarian ągrinŭ. Onogur was the collective name for the tribes who later joined the Bulgar tribal confederacy that ruled the eastern parts of Hungary after the Avars.


    If you ask the Hungarians, they are Huns. When I talked to them, they always made it clear that we (Bulgarians and Hungarians) were always one tribe of the Hun Confederation. I don’t know how true. By the way, I read somewhere genetic studies with Hungarians and seemingly similar haplogroups, but they do not show nationality and can only be used as a trace. One way or another, we were together with the Hungarians in the Caucasus, and before it, no one knows where we all came from. Although all roads lead from Siberia .... laughing

    PS By the way, we are also having experiments to sew us a Turkic origin, but in the end no one could find either a haplogroup typical of the Türks among us or the Hungarians.
  3. +1
    28 May 2019 19: 28
    Magyars, were nomadic people of Finno-Ugric origin

    The Magyars are mainly ethnic Celts (R1b), assimilated in language and cultural terms by the Ugranians before migrating to Europe.

    After the migration, the ethnic Slavs (R1a - 25%) —white Croats who lived in the Balaton Valley — became members of the Magyars.
    1. 0
      28 May 2019 22: 46
      Quote: Operator
      The Magyars are mainly ethnic Celts (R1b), assimilated in language and cultural terms by the Ugranians before migrating to Europe.

      Well, you’ve missed you too far. What are the Celts, and even mixed with Finno-Ugrians before migrating to Europe? Everything is simpler and harder at the same time: (1). a small Finno-Ugric nucleus with Mongoloids (apparently the Huns from Manchuria, who moved this unknown Finno-Ugric tribe; and, by the way, it is not clear who made up the ethnicity of the Hunnic Union, probably even some Paleo-Asiatic people who were superimposed the imprint of the ancestors of the Jurchens, if it says something to someone).
      (2). A huge admixture of Slavic haplotypes of different + presumably Avar (although Turkic-Caucasian with Mongoloid patches) is very characteristic Avar skulls anthropologically, all this is superimposed on the Celto-Sarmatian core of the old autochthons.
      (3). The Magyar component proper (rather, purely Türks with a mix of Finno-Uvra again (this is apparently some kind of tribe, their mixed-breed remnants, perhaps, but not exactly - the Savir tribe, ancient Russian "northerners" in Chernigov region)
      (4). A small later Türkic-Alatian admixture from nomads 11-13 cc (Kumans mostly).
      1. +1
        28 May 2019 23: 00
        Haplotype of modern Hungarians:

        asian haplogroups
        Celtic R1b - 17%
        North Semitic Y2 - 8%
        Ugrofinnian N1c1 - 1%

        european haplogroups
        Aryan R1a - 32%
        Illyrian I1 and I2 - 25%
        Hamitse E1 - 9%
      2. +1
        29 May 2019 05: 17
        According to the Hungarian chronicles, in the panony before them lived the Wlachians and Slavs.
  4. +1
    28 May 2019 19: 29
    ,,, Brotherhood of the Knights of St. George, which became the first secular royal knightly order in Europe.
  5. +4
    28 May 2019 20: 01
    Hungarians and Poles are personally more interesting to me than even the Balkan Slavs, because our ancestors had more than once to substantively sort things out with them.
    From the article I understood that the Hungarians differed little from Western knighthood in their armament, both offensive and defensive. In general, this is fully consistent with my ideas about them, because at one time I was surprised by the news that before the battle with Daniel Galitsky in 1245, they staged a knightly tournament under the walls of the besieged Yaroslav, during which the Russian prince Rostislav Mikhailovich was injured - the only son and heir known from the annals of Mikhail of Chernigov (why, in fact, he did not participate in the ensuing battle and survived).
    Personally, I find it hard to imagine a Russian prince participating in a knightly tournament, but fact is a fact.
    By the way, later Rostislav, having married a Hungarian princess, and the donkey there, even gave rise to some Hungarian family, so that there, in the highest Hungarian nobility, were our people. smile
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the article.
    But about the Hungarians want more! smile
    1. +4
      28 May 2019 21: 32
      Not quite a described period, but here:
      https://historylib.org/historybooks/D-P--Aleksinskiy_Vsadniki-voyny--Kavaleriya-Evropy/23
      1. +4
        29 May 2019 03: 38
        Hi, hello! hi Of course, in this era, I swim with my eyes closed and without fins, but you, the ignoramus, explain a simple thing to me: Hungarians are ento Mordovians, Mordvins live in my neighboring village. What the hell, they have a knighthood, they do not know such a word.
        Olegovich hi I’m afraid to ask - he will send it by mother and do it right.
        1. +5
          29 May 2019 05: 45
          Konstantin! Do not be afraid to ask me. We must be afraid to write that you are a Tartarian, the last Atlas, and a Hyperborean who escaped to the south. When I was in Hungary, I was told that the Hungarians regularly send a delegation to the Russian Federation to the congress of the Ugrotta peoples, but ... they cannot talk with our Mordovian comrades — they understand only a few words. That is to say, the forebears of our Mordovians and Hungarians are undoubted. But ... in the process of resettlement, they so much people dragged into themselves that the language has changed very much. Again, they explained to me: horse-breeding terms - them, but agricultural ones - Slavic! As for the Mordovians, when he was writing a book for the English, where Mordva touched upon, they sent me from some museum a photo of the finds in men's Mordovian graves. There were axes, arrowheads, badges of combat belts. So the Mordovians also had weapons and people who used them. But ... at the coming of the Mongols in 1237, the Burtases opposed them and perished, but the Mordvinians went into the woods and ... remained intact. Here is a brief so!
          1. +2
            30 May 2019 12: 45
            Vyacheslav, thanks. hi About "send, etc." it was a joke, and most likely a bad one. But about the terms, "them and Slavic", here I have a reason for reflection.
        2. +3
          29 May 2019 08: 27
          Hello, Konstantin! In vain you drive Vyacheslav Olegovich. He even perceives constructive criticism adequately. And the explanation of the material - and even more so, will be chewed until blue in the face, professional deformation, damn it!
          Now on the topic. If we discard all sorts of cultural and romantic husk, which the concept of "chivalry" has grown over a thousand years, we will find that this is nothing more than a heavy cavalry. And the Mordovians, who originally had a nomadic lifestyle, moreover, settled in the forest-steppe zone, had it by definition.
          1. 0
            30 May 2019 12: 48
            Anton, hello, go to "YOU". drinks Yes, I never "drove" on Vyacheslav. As much as possible, without him here you will generally die of boredom. If he leaves (God forbid), then I'd rather swell on fucking Facebook.
        3. +1
          30 May 2019 11: 43
          Hungarians and Khanty are the Ugric part of the Finno-Ugric peoples. Mordva (Moksha and Erzya) refers to the Finnish part ..
      2. +3
        29 May 2019 05: 47
        Anton - thank you very much for the source!
    2. +6
      28 May 2019 22: 37
      Michael is a good evening, in the 13th century the armament of the Hungarians and the Russians, as well as the Poles on the borders of the lands of Western Russia, differed little from one another, the division went later, and even then, the Hungarians, having the main enemy - the Turks, had weapons close to them, rather than to Europe, which in no way precludes the use of Western European weapons. Again, for the 13th century this is not at all relevant. The Hungarians of this period "quoted" Polovtsian weapons, and they are close to both Russian and Polish. The difference was, perhaps in helmets, and then, not earlier than the middle of the century, chain mail, swords, the shape of helmets, everything is similar.
      1. +1
        29 May 2019 11: 31
        Greetings, Edward.
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        the armament of the Hungarians and Russians, like the Poles on the borders of the lands of Western Russia, differed little from one another

        Honestly, I thought it was as follows:
        In the pre-Mongol period, the protective armament of the Russian warriors, due to the fact that the main opponents of the Russians were mobile and mobile nomads, should have been easy (to catch up), not hamper movements (to have time to turn in a fleeting cavalry battle), to provide a good overview (it’s vital in conditions of combat with light nomad cavalry). The main weapon of nomads is the bow, so it should be assumed that the defense was designed to counter, first of all, arrows.
        As a result, we have an open helmet of a sphero-conical shape, a light plate armor (of the "kuyak" type), a kuyak-type shield, and something on the legs, such as chain mail leggings.
        Unlike the Russians, the European knights, including the Hungarians and the Poles, had to confront mainly each other, that is, heavy cavalry operating in relatively dense battle formations at a distance of hand-to-hand combat. Accordingly, visibility, lightness and mobility were not of such critical importance, strength and reliability were much more important in order to protect against blows with a sword, spear, etc. That is, in theory, we should deal with closed helmets of the "topfhelm" type and heavy multilayered chain mail, in the most important places additionally reinforced with metal or leather overlays, plus triangular shields, not teardrop-shaped, since no additional face protection is required.
        I was interested in this phrase that goes against the main message of the article:
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        Again, for the 13th century this is not at all relevant. The Hungarians of this period "quoted" Polovtsian weapons, and they are close to both Russian and Polish.

        So what was the arms of the Hungarian knighthood in the middle of the XIII century. - a copy of the Western European, similar to Russian, or did you think it was closer to the steppe (Polovtsian) type?
        1. +1
          29 May 2019 12: 41
          http://www.varvar.ru/arhiv/gallery/battle_art/macbride/angus-mcbride-stepi.html#top
          On the link: the Polovtsian warrior according to McBride, as far as he is heavily armed, I propose to evaluate it yourself. I apologize, I cannot insert pictures.
          1. +2
            29 May 2019 13: 05
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Polovtsian warrior according to McBride

            Well, in general, almost so I imagined just the Russian warrior. smile Light lamellar armor, spheroconical helmet, but the guise confuses me and the shield is not enough with a spear.
            However, a noble Polovchan - Khan or his bodyguard could have been dressed that way, well, plus the shield, probably round. The majority of the Polovtsy, with whom they had to deal, were mainly dealt with by our warriors, I think, was armed easier. smile
            1. 0
              29 May 2019 13: 13
              And yet, Michael ... For some reason, entering the lists of one Russian prince bothers you, but bringing homage to others doesn’t. There is a certain dissonance ... recourse
              1. +2
                29 May 2019 14: 04
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                For some reason, going out on the lists of a Russian prince confuses you

                Maybe because this case - the only reliably recorded. Somehow, the Russian knight in a pointed helmet doesn’t seem very well in a tournament against a Western European knight, even a Hungarian one. Smacks of breaking patterns. laughing By the way, Rostislav had already lived in Hungary for a long time, I think he was even married to the king’s daughter, so that Hungarian society was integrated and probably studied there for the tournament, for the rules and methods of its conduct, knew how to wear tournament armor and use the tournament weapons. Most likely he was equipped like a Hungarian, and not like a Russian.
                As for the homage, whether it was brought or not is a dark matter. There are no references to the passage of such a procedure by any of the princes, including Rostislav. There are enough facts of obtaining land from foreign sovereigns for management, but I have not seen any mention of oaths or other obligations accompanying the transfer. It seems that Yaroslav Vladimirovich Pskovsky promised the Archbishop of Riga the Pskov lands as his fatherland, that is, he took a vassal oath for himself and "his" lands, but it did not grow together there - they had to actually get them, and with this there were big problems.
                And so, maybe they brought ommazh, maybe in the case of the Orthodox, there was some other procedure, a simplified, yet the difference between denominations ...
    3. +1
      28 May 2019 22: 52
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      In general, this is fully consistent with my ideas about them, because at one time I was surprised by the news that before the battle with Daniel Galitsky in 1245, they staged a knightly tournament under the walls of the besieged Yaroslav, during which the Russian prince Rostislav Mikhailovich was injured - the only son and heir known from the annals of Mikhail of Chernigov

      Nothing strange, it's a fact. All the more, let me remind you that the armament of a Rusich from the "senior" squad in the 13th century (and especially after the 1230s) was HEAVIER than the armament of a European knight (after "acquaintance" with the Mongols, our ancestors began to heavier the armor faster and earlier, while it was possible - and the Europeans only began to sway).

      In general, the Hungarians of the 11-14 centuries. the situation was somewhat different - their army was a rather powerful mix of different types of warriors, different peoples with different weapons, from "German" (knights armed in the western style, among whom were mercenaries) to simple Slavic foot soldiers "by device". Roughly the same was in Byzantium, and in Russia - t. the boundaries of civilizations, but everywhere, of course, its own specificity.
      1. +1
        29 May 2019 05: 46
        Very well you wrote!
      2. 0
        29 May 2019 11: 47
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        Moreover, let me remind you that the armament of a Rusich from the "senior" squad in the 13th century (and especially after the 1230s) was HEAVIER than the armament of a European knight

        Very controversial statement. How do you imagine a Russian warrior armed more heavily than a European knight, chasing the Polovtsy in a thousand-kilometer space? The opponents of the northern principalities (Smolensk, Vladimir, Novgorod) before the mass appearance of Germans in the Baltic States (early XIII century) were mostly poorly developed Finno-Ugric and Balt tribes, against which heavy weapons were also redundant.
        Try to confirm the thesis you expressed that the armament of the Russian combatant was in the middle of the 13th century. HARDER knight somehow more serious.
        I agree that with the arrival of the Mongols, the arms of the Russian soldier began to get heavier, but this is due, of course, to the fact that the main vector of military efforts, with the accession of Russia to the Mongolian empire, was moved to the west, because the threat from the east disappeared, and if it appeared, no one planned to oppose her. In the west, it was necessary to confront the Hungarians, the Germans and the Poles, armed in the European style, respectively, and heavier weapons were required. But I think that, like any historical process, this also took place quickly only by the standards of history and did not have a significant impact on 1245. And in any case, according to the gravity of the armament of Europe, we had to catch up.
    4. +2
      29 May 2019 13: 05
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      By the way, later Rostislav, having married the Hungarian princess, and the donkey there, even gave rise to some kind of Hungarian family, so there, in the highest Hungarian

      Alas, the male line of Rostislav Mikhailovich quickly ended. Both his sons, Mikhail and Bela, were killed young during internal conflicts in Hungary. About the first one it is not known exactly, except for the fact of his violent death, but Bela, as one of the contenders for the Hungarian crown (along the lines of his mother, Anna Arpad) and a popular figure among the enemies of the baronial clan Joachim Gutkeled, was killed at a feast and cut into pieces, after why his nun sister, Margit, was forced throughout the castle to look for parts of her brother's body for burial.

      In general, I had the persistent impression that Hungary at the end of the thirteenth century was a rare and intriguing garbage dump in which political enemies cut each other worse than the neighboring states during wars. How Carl Robert of Anjou managed to put all this in a heap and then collect it - no idea ....
    5. +1
      29 May 2019 15: 57
      Little I was there. I could not get to interesting museums and make interesting photos.
  6. +4
    28 May 2019 22: 38
    Vyacheslav O. thanks for the article, I continue to admire your sources on the thumbnails.
  7. +1
    28 May 2019 23: 06
    It was cool how they fought with Venice. Venice is an island sea power, Magyars are horse-drawn nomads. Like that childhood eternal question: is an elephant or a whale stronger?
  8. +2
    29 May 2019 02: 12
    The Kuman traditions and Turkish influence subsequently gave the best cavalry of Europe - the Hungarian and Polish hussars. Although, it was born under the Sarmatians. But that's another story wink
    1. +1
      29 May 2019 05: 46
      And this is the right addition!
  9. +1
    29 May 2019 12: 32
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    In the west, it was necessary to confront the Hungarians, the Germans and the Poles, armed in the European style, respectively, and heavier weapons were required.

    Word by word from the article M. Gorelika for 1975 year in the journal AROUND THE WORLD. There was also an image of a Russian swordsman for some sources (I don’t remember for what). And it was harder here depicted the knight Calatrava.
  10. +1
    29 May 2019 12: 34
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    then we find that it is nothing more than heavy cavalry.

    I’ll find a similar definition with Nicolas and then I will give in the article ... you will recognize your phrase in his statement, it’s very similar.
    1. +1
      29 May 2019 13: 24
      Thank you, it would be very interesting!
  11. +2
    29 May 2019 12: 58
    Very informative article. He broadened his horizons. Thank!
  12. +2
    29 May 2019 15: 54
    Quote: arturpraetor
    In general, I had the persistent impression that Hungary at the end of the thirteenth century was a rare and intriguing garbage dump in which political enemies cut each other worse than the neighboring states during wars. How Carl Robert of Anjou managed to put all this in a heap and then collect it - no idea ....

    As you are right, however ... They cut worse than ours. Well, after all, "people of the East", temperamental ...
    1. 0
      29 May 2019 16: 11
      Eco you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! It turns out that the Normans are phlegmatic "brakes". laughing
      By the way, they didn’t hurt us, "The Trilobite Master" has convincingly proved this in his articles about political assassinations in Russia.
  13. +1
    29 May 2019 16: 12
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    "The master of the trilobite" has convincingly proved this in his articles on political assassinations in Russia.

    Of course, I read it and that is why I wrote it this way ... With us ... tolerant.
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      29 May 2019 17: 24
      Yes, we have flowers there, with the exception of "hot spots" of confrontation between boyars and princes like Novgorod and Galich - but even there everything was somehow more modest. And at the same time, all political killings and atrocities are smeared over a fairly long period of time. But even the most trashy trash from Galich, like the massacre of the Chagrovichi and the burning of Nastasya Chagrovna, looks like a modest one-time action in comparison with what was happening to the south-west of these places in the system. The assassination of Bela Rostislavich is only one episode, but in fact there, even in the relatively happy years of Bela IV, the barons slaughtered each other and even members of the royal family with fervor and zeal worthy of better use .... Something like this is recalled offhand only from among the Ottoman harem intrigues ... Well, or the Red Wedding from "Game of Thrones" is very similar to the murder of the Polovtsian Khan Kotyan, but again - in the IP this is a large and almost an isolated event, but here it is just one ordinary episode of many similar ones. Although, if we talk about the similarities of the Red Wedding, then it is appropriate to recall Philip of Swabia and his death, which greatly contributed to the extinction of the Stark family, sorry, Hohenstaufens laughing
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    29 May 2019 19: 27
    One of my fellow students was invited by invitation to Hungary at the nomad games. There I saw a parody of kokpar where instead of a carcass of a ram they used a bag full of wool, it seemed. The organizers were very proud of their games and asked a fellow student for an opinion, to which a fellow student replied that children were indulging in a cockpit with a bag and it wasn’t appropriate for horsemen to do so. To the question of how it should be, he explained in about 20 minutes and showed it as it should, since he is a dock in this matter. So after that the Hungarians kept him away for a month laughing
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    29 May 2019 22: 11
    With the Hungarians, for now.