Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 9)

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In the middle of 70's, relations between Moscow and Beijing became so acute that the parties began to seriously consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons against each other. weapons. At the same time, the Soviet Union had an overwhelming superiority over China in the number of nuclear warheads and their delivery vehicles. The Chinese territory was threatened not only by medium-range ballistic missiles, but also by numerous Soviet bombers carrying free-falling nuclear bombs and cruise missiles. Due to its geographical location, China was very vulnerable to air attack from the North and the West. During the Cold War, the Soviet Air Force had a large fleet of bombers. Not only Tu-16, Tu-22 and Tu-95 long-range bombers, but also front-line Il-28s and Su-24s, based in the Central Asian Soviet republics, Eastern Siberia, Transbaikalia, and the Amur Region, could strike at objects on Chinese territory. , Khabarovsk and Primorsky territories. Taking into account the fact that the Soviet military contingent was deployed on the territory of Mongolia and there were jump airfields, and from the Mongol-Chinese border to Beijing about 600 km, within the reach of the Soviet front-line attack aviation It turned out to be the Chinese capital. This largely cooled the "hot heads" in Beijing and the Chinese leadership, realizing their weakness, despite the warlike rhetoric, tried not to cross the "red line". So, in March 1979, Soviet bomber aircraft, making demonstrative flights along the borders with the PRC, became one of the factors leading to the withdrawal of Chinese troops from Vietnamese territory.

This is not to say that the Chinese leadership and the PLA high command did nothing to reduce potential vulnerability from Soviet bombers. In the PRC, in 70-80-s, there was a massive construction of very large and well-fortified underground shelters for equipment, weapons, the urban population and the personnel of the armed forces. The military bases and aviation regiments were dispersed. Inheritance from the times of the Soviet-Chinese confrontation in the PRC left a large number of capital takeoff and landing shelters, carved into the rocks. Above the mines of a few Chinese ballistic missiles with the aim of camouflage, rapidly demolished house models were erected, and false starting positions were equipped in the area.



In addition to building shelters and implementing organizational measures to reduce possible damage from a nuclear strike, HQ-2 air defense systems were deployed on the most probable flight routes of Soviet bombers, interceptor airfields and anti-aircraft batteries were deployed. Realizing that the available forces are not enough to protect the entire territory, the Chinese leadership tried to cover especially important administrative and economic centers in the most vulnerable position with anti-aircraft missile systems and fighters. First of all, this applied to such cities as Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan and Shenyang. The 57, 85 and 100-mm and HQ-2 anti-aircraft artillery positions were especially densely positioned north and north-west of these cities. On the coast, adjacent to the Taiwan Strait, SAM and anti-aircraft artillery batteries deployed in the vicinity of Zhangzhou and Quanzhou. The north-west of the People's Republic of China was very weakly defended in anti-aircraft weapons, only around Urumq in the Xinjiang-Uygur Autonomous Region three divisions of the HQ-2 air defense system were deployed. At the same time, a thick network of radar posts was located along the perimeter of the Soviet-Chinese border. As a rule, radar stations were installed on points dominating the terrain, no closer than 60-70 km from the state border. The second radar belt in northwest China was located deep in the area at a distance of 400-600 km. To intercept the invaders from this direction in the sparsely populated western and northwestern regions of the PRC, several airfields were built, where the J-6 and J-7 fighters were based. In total, as of the middle of the 80-x, more than 60 of the HQ-2 anti-aircraft missile battalions were on combat duty in China.

After the normalization of relations between our countries, much of the position of the air defense system as the first modifications of HQ-2 were written off was eliminated. By the end of the 1990-s, almost all of the 85-100-mm anti-aircraft guns, which were about 1970 units in the PLA in the 8000-s, were written off. A small number of large-caliber anti-aircraft guns are still preserved in the coastal defense units in the area of ​​Bohai Bay and the Taiwan Strait.


Google Earth satellite image: ZQK HQ-2J position in 100 km north of Beijing

Currently, the positions of the NQ-2J SAM system have been preserved on secondary destinations in the interior regions of the PRC. Several complexes with rockets working on liquid fuel and an oxidizer are deployed near Beijing. Direct anti-aircraft defense of the Chinese capital is provided by modern long-range anti-aircraft missile systems: the Russian C-300PMU / PMU1 and the Chinese HQ-9 / A and five air regiments on J-7B / E, J-8II J-11А / B fighters. It should be expected that, in connection with the development of a ZRS-CNUMXPMU resource, they will be replaced in the near future by new long-range anti-aircraft systems. At the moment, the air defense systems of the S-XNUMPPMU covering Beijing are on duty from the eastern direction with a truncated composition, which is most likely due to the lack of standardized missiles.


Google Earth satellite image: ZS-XNUMPPMU position in 300 km northeast of Beijing

Modernized HQ-2J SAMs, along with relatively modern HQ-12, are considered as an addition to long-range multi-channel SAMs. At the moment, Beijing is second only to Moscow in terms of the density of cover from air attack weapons. In total, three dozen medium-range and long-range air defense systems provide security for the Chinese capital from air attack weapons.


The layout of the radar posts (blue diamonds), the position of the air defense system (colored triangles) and air bases near Beijing

According to Western data, the number of anti-aircraft missile divisions deployed in fixed positions in the PRC is 110-120 units. Of these, modern systems and systems are armed with about 80% srdn. The Chinese are very zealous in preserving the existing infrastructure. Capital positions, where obsolete HQ-2 air defense systems were located in the past, are preserved in most cases; modern anti-aircraft systems are deployed on them after reconstruction. Unlike our country, where hundreds of expensive defense facilities were destroyed in the framework of “reforming” and “giving a new look”, in China they strictly monitor the targeted use and preservation of the existing infrastructure.


The distribution of medium and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems throughout the territory of the PRC is very significant. The main part of the Chinese air defense system covers industrial and administrative centers located in a comfortable climate zone for living.


Google Earth Satellite Image: A-300PMU-1 ZRS Position North of Shanghai


The Russian-made anti-aircraft missile systems, in addition to the vicinity of Beijing, are concentrated in the areas of Dalian, Qingdao, Shanghai, Quanzhou, Zhangzhou - that is, for the most part along the coast.


Google Earth satellite image: A-300PMU-2 SIR position near the runway of Xiayuan airbase in the vicinity of Quanzhou

Modern and long-range ZRS 300PMU-2 mainly deployed near the Taiwan Strait and in the zone of action of American combat aircraft based in Japan and South Korea. Western observers have noted that the C-XNUMPPMU missiles, delivered more than 300 years ago, are gradually being replaced in the PRC by their own HQ-25А. So, in positions near Shanghai, where the C-9PMU was stationed in the past, it is now on duty at the HQ-300А A / S.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-9А position in the vicinity of Urumqi


Anti-aircraft systems and complexes of its own production HQ-64, HQ-9, HQ-12 and HQ-16 are deployed to protect especially valuable objects in the depths of China and in the border areas of southern and north-western regions.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-16 position in the vicinity of Shenyang


Special attention is paid to the air defense of the deployment areas of Chinese ICBMs, aerospace enterprises and nuclear energy. For example, around the city of Shenyang, where the aircraft factory is located, specializing in the construction of heavy fighters J-11 and J-16, three divisions of the HQ-9A air defense missile system and the HQ-16 air defense missile system are permanently deployed. The aircraft factory and test center in Xi'an covers an anti-aircraft missile regiment, which consists of three HQ-9 air defense systems.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-9 ground position in the vicinity of Gonggar air base


One of the first serial HQ-9 SAM systems was deployed in Tibet, near the Gonggar airbase, in an area in close proximity to the disputed sections of the Sino-Indian border.


Google Earth Satellite Image: HQ-9 ZRS Position on Woody Island


In addition, more recently, the Chinese long-range HQ-9A air defense systems are located outside the mainland of China. According to satellite images released in February of 2016, the People’s Republic of China has deployed the HQ-9A AAMS division on Woody Island, part of the archipelago of the controversial Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-12 air defense system in the vicinity of Baotou. This position is deployed at the place where, until 2006, the HQ-2A air defense system was on combat duty. Next to mobile launchers, transport and charging machines

The southern direction from Vietnam is protected by eight divisions of the air defense system HQ-12. Around the city of Baotou in the Inner Mongolia region there are three HQ-12 bays. Although this ZRK is inferior in its capabilities to the long-range HQ-9 / 9А / 9В and С-300ПМУ / ПМУ-1 / ПМУ-2 long-range missiles, but it is much cheaper. Currently, HQ-12 is the most widespread anti-aircraft missile system, carrying a constant combat duty in the air defense forces of the PRC.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-64D positioning system in 50 km north of Chendu


The air bases and some strategic objects located not only on the coast, but also in the depth of the territory are covered with a short-range air defense system HQ-64 and HQ-7. HQ-64 ADMS batteries are on duty at the position for a long period of time, and HQ-7 batteries on a rotational basis.


Google Earth satellite image: short-range air defense system position in Hong Kong, equipment covered with camouflage nets

Observers note that the number of equipped short-range air defense systems in the vicinity of air bases, ports, radar stations and other important facilities located along the coast has recently increased significantly.

Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 9)

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Taking into account the existing experience, it is quite possible that the HQ-17 air defense systems are involved in the combat duty and cover of airfields, fixed radar stations and long-range air defense systems.


Google Earth satellite image: HQ-64А positioning system in the vicinity of the Longtian airfield runway

The direct anti-aircraft cover of the Longtian PLA airbase closest to Taiwan is provided by the HQ-64A anti-aircraft missile and artillery system battery. On this base, in 2016, the unmanned squadron of radio-controlled aircraft J-6 was deployed, which, judging by satellite images, regularly take to the air.


Google Earth satellite image: J-6 radio-controlled aircraft in the Longtian base


In the case of the outbreak of hostilities, outdated remote-controlled J-6 fighters will act as false targets, taking the blow of the enemy's air defense weapons. There is reason to believe that in addition to the remote control equipment, unmanned Kamikazes have jam stations and missiles designed to destroy enemy radars.

It is worthwhile to dwell separately on the ranges available in the PRC, where test-training and test launches of medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missiles are carried out. In 80 km east of the city of Tangshan, in the Hebei province, on the shores of the Bohai Gulf is the ground for the Air Defense Forces.


Google Earth satellite image: missile test site on the shores of the Bohai Gulf


Here, in the direction of the marine waters 2-3 times a year are carried out control and training of shooting combatant battalions of S HQ-2J, HQ-12, and SAM HQ-9 and C-300PMU / PMU-1 / PMU-2 combat duty around Beijing , in the vicinity of Qingdao, Nanjing, Shanghai, Shenyang, Quanzhou and Zhangzhou.



The J-6 and H-5 radio-controlled targets start from Qinhuangdao-Shanhaiguan airbase, located in 70 km to the north. Here, at the time of the exercise, long-range H-6 missile-carrier bombers are based, from which cruise missile simulators are launched.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Test Site in 50 km north of Xi'an


In 2017, construction began on a missile test site in Shaanxi province, 50 km north of the city of Xi'an. In this area, in addition to the five starting positions, there is a large radar station with several JY-27, JYL-1 and YLC-2 radars. Also on a permanent basis on the territory of the landfill are two divisions of air defense systems HQ-9.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Nanhukong Test Site, 50 km east of Zhangye City District, Gansu Province

There are four sites around the Jiuquan administrative center in Gansu province, within the 200-300 radius, from where regular test and control and training launches of anti-aircraft missiles are conducted. Due to the low population density, this desert region is very well suited for firing missiles.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Test Site No. 72


In 20 km north of the Jiuquan Cosmodrome, there is the legendary test site No. 72, where all Chinese medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems and the Russian C-300PMU / PMU-1 / PMU-2 were tested in the past.


ZRS-300PMU-2 on the landfill in Gansu Province


It was on the site number 72 in December 2018 of the year test and test firing of the Russian C-400 SAMs were conducted. In a number of Russian media, in January 2019 of the year was published unconfirmed information that during the firing of the 48H6E SAM at a distance of 250 km struck a ballistic target flying at a speed of 3 km / s. This news caused a big boost among the "patriotic" minded Russian citizens, and those who are at least a little familiar with the capabilities of modern air defense technology, shrugged their shoulders in surprise. Interested in this question, I tried to find more information on the C-400 tests on the Chinese Internet. A number of sources state that the ballistic target was launched from a distance of 250 km, but nothing was said about the distance at which it was intercepted.

As you know, C-400 is a system designed primarily to combat aerodynamic targets, but it is capable of intercepting short-range ballistic missiles. According to the materials published in the course of arms exhibitions and international aerospace showrooms, the maximum range of target designation of the 91H6E radar for ballistic targets with EPR 0,5 m² - 240 km. The maximum firing range for large small-maneuvre targets: the long-range B-52 bombers and the KS-135 tankers - 250 km. The maximum boundary of the cover zone in range from ballistic missiles is 60 km. For comparison: as part of the upgraded C-300B4 system, the 9М82М rocket 5800 kg, with a launch range for slow aerodynamic targets at medium altitudes around 400 km, is specially designed for air defense / missile defense of the front-line level of ground forces. As is known from open sources, the weight of the 48H6E SAM is about 1900 kg. Most of the mass of these missiles accounts for solid fuel. The maximum speed of the rocket 9M82M - 7,85 M, the rocket 48N6E of the area - 7,5 M. Taking into account the fact that in the People's Republic of China long-range ZUR 40N6E with active homing .

It can be stated that due to the change in the military-political situation and the balance of power in the world, in the 21 century the layout of the stationary positions of the air defense system has changed dramatically. In the past, the HQ-2 air defense system was located in the north-east and north-west of the People's Republic of China, along the path of the most probable flight routes of the Soviet long-range bomber. Now most of the positions in the north-western part of China have been liquidated, and there are no anti-aircraft missile systems along the border with the Russian Far Eastern territories.



A particularly significant concentration of modern anti-aircraft systems and Su-30MKK, J-10А / В and J-11А / В fighters is observed in areas that are within the range of the Taiwan Air Force. The Air Force of the Republic of China (Taiwan) has about 380 combat aircraft. Of these, the most valuable are the 125 multi-purpose fighter F-CK-1 "Chingo". This aircraft is based on the American F-16, but has two engines and is distinguished by the composition of the avionics and weapons. Also in the composition of the Taiwanese air force there are fighters: F-5Е / F, F-16A / В and Mirage 2000-5.

The most likely opponents of the Chinese air defense system are also considered to be long-range bombers carrying cruise missiles. As an intermediate airfield for US long-range bombers in the Asia-Pacific zone, the US Air Force Andersen Air Base on Guam Island, operated by the 36 Air Wing, is used. Here, on a rotational basis are on duty fighter F-15C and F-22A (12-16 units), long-distance unmanned reconnaissance RQ-4 Global Hawk (3-4 units), B-52N Stratofortress, B-1V Lancer, B-2A Spirit (6-10 units). If necessary, the aviation grouping on Guam can be increased by 4-5 by one day in a day. The F-15C and F-22A fighters, the KC-135R tankers, and the C-17A military transport aircraft belonging to the 15-th wing and the 154-nd Air Force wing of the National Air Force are assigned to the Hikkam airbase in Hawaii. Although the Hikkam airbase is sufficiently distant from the coast of the People's Republic of China, it can be used as an intermediate aerodrome, and for basing tanker aircraft and long-range bombers. And fighters stationed here on a permanent basis, can be quickly transferred to the air bases of Japan and South Korea.

A potential threat to China is represented by combat aircraft of the US Air Force Command in the Pacific Ocean (Pacific Air Force) with headquarters at the Hikkam airbase, Hawaii. The Pacific Command is: 5 (Japan), 7 (Republic of Korea), 11 (Alaska) and 13 (Hawaii) air armies. As part of the 5 Army Air Force with headquarters at the Yokota airbase, the 18-e wing, deployed at the Kadena airbase, is considered the main strike force. F-15C / D 44 and 67 squadrons are based here. Refueling in the air of American fighters stationed in Japan, provide KC-135R 909 th squadron of tanker aircraft. Guidance on airborne targets and the general guidance of combat aircraft operations outside the zone of visibility of ground-based radars are assigned to the 961 squadron of the radar patrol and control, equipped with DRLO and E-3C Sentry aircraft. Regular reconnaissance flights along the coast of the People's Republic of China are carried out by the RC-135V / W Rivet Joint aircraft and the long-range high-altitude unmanned reconnaissance aircraft RQ-4 Global Hawk. Intelligence functions are also assigned to the base patrol aircraft P-8A Poseidon, P-3С Orion and radio intelligence reconnaissance aircraft EP-3E Aries II of the US Navy, which are located at the Kadena airbase. F-16C / D 13 and 14 squadrons of the 35 th Fighter Wing are deployed at the Misawa airbase.

The naval base "Yokosuka" is a place of permanent forward bases of US aircraft carriers. Since 2008, the Nimitz nuclear aircraft carrier - George Washington (USS George Washington (CVN-73)) has been located here. Recently, he was replaced on duty in Japan by the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan (USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76)). Deck planes of the US Navy use the Atsugi airbase for coast-based, the aircraft of the 5 aircraft carrier wing are located on it. It consists of three F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighter-assault squadrons, EA-18 Growler electronic warfare squadron, E-2C / D Hawkeye DRLO squadron, as well as deck transport aircraft and helicopters for various purposes.

On the territory of Japan on a permanent basis is about 200 combat aircraft of the Air Force and the US Navy. In addition to American fighters on a permanent basis based on Japanese airfields in the Air Forces of Japan, there are: 190 heavy fighter F-15J / DJ, 60 light F-2A / B (more advanced Japanese version of F-16), around 40 multi-purpose F-4EJ and roughly 10 scouts RF-4EJ / EF-4EJ. Also in the United States ordered X-NUMX fighter F-42. The forces of the 35 Air Force, stationed in South Korea, are represented by the 7 Fighter Aviation Regiment - 8 F-42C / D (Kunsan Air Base) and the 16 Fighter Airwing - 51 F-36C / D, belonging to the 16 fighter air wing - 36 F-24C / D, belonging to the 10 fighter air wing - 25 F-7C / D, belonging to 460 fighter aircraft and 5 attack aircraft A-16C Thunderbolt II from the 15 th Fighter Squadron. Approximately 4 South Korean fighter jets should be added to the XNUMX AA forces: F-XNUMXE / F, F-XNUMXС / D, F-XNUMXК and F-XNUMXE. In the event of a military collision between the United States and the People's Republic of China, if they do not participate in the air strikes on Chinese territory, they will definitely be used for air defense of American air bases.

Thus, the combined aviation grouping of the United States, Japan and the Republic of Korea, taking into account combat aircraft of the Republic of China, is almost equal in number to the entire PLA Air Force fighter fleet. At the same time, it will be easier for Chinese fighters to carry out defensive military operations over the territory of the PRC adjacent to the coastal areas due to the presence of a large number of alternate air strips and numerous ground-based radar posts. As for the US aircraft carrier strike groups, given the increased power of the Chinese coastal defense forces equipped with numerous modern anti-ship missiles, their presence in the territorial waters of the PRC is impossible. Moreover, the Chinese fleet and strike aviation of the PLA Air Force and Navy, located on coastal airfields, is quite able to force American aircraft carriers to travel more than the combat radius of the F-A-18 E / F carrier-based fighter-bombers. Chinese interceptors, operating in conjunction with medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems, are capable of inflicting unacceptable losses on enemy bomber aircraft. In this regard, it should be expected that the first strike on key Chinese defense facilities will be delivered by cruise missiles launched from long-range bombers, surface ships and submarines.

According to information published in open sources, as part of the duty forces of the American 7th fleet there are always carriers capable of launching at least 500 sea-based cruise missiles RGM / UGM-109 Tomahawk. The most modern modification is the RGM / UGM-109E Tactical Tomahawk missile launcher with a launch range of 1600 km and an air defense missile defense of 10 m. The AGM-86C / D CALCM cruise missiles launched by the Air Force US are long-range bombers B-52H. On one bomber can be placed up to 20 KR. AGM-86C / D can hit ground targets at ranges up to 1100 km. In the case of using the Litton noise-free guidance system corrected by the 3rd generation GPS satellite navigation signals, the probable circular deviation from the aiming point is 3 m.

B-1B, B-2A, B-52H bombers, as well as tactical and carrier-based aircraft of the F-16C / D, F-15Е and F / A-18E / F are capable of carrying AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles. The B-52H bomber can take 12 such missiles, B-1B - 24 missiles, B-2 - 16 missiles, F-16C / D fighters, F / A-18E / F - 2 missiles, F-15E - 3 missiles Today, the advanced CRM AGM-158B JASSM-ER is serially manufactured with a launch range of 980 km. Speed ​​on the route - 780-1000 km / h. The average deviation from the aiming point - 3 m. The rocket is capable of hitting both stationary and mobile targets. Aircraft F-15E, F / A-18C / D, F / A-18E / F, P-3C, P-8A are capable of hitting land targets with AGM-84 SLAM missiles. This rocket is based on the AGM-84 Harpoon PCR, but has a different guidance system. Instead of the active RGSN in SLAM, an inertial system with GPS correction and the possibility of remote TV is used. In 2000, the AGM-84H SLAM-ER was adopted for armament, which represents the deep processing of AGM-84E SLAM. SLAM-ER is able to independently identify the target according to the data previously stored in the on-board computer of the rocket or guided by the commands of the operator. The missile has the ability to hit targets at a distance of 270 km. Flight speed - 855 km / h. The AGM-150 HARM rocket is designed to combat surveillance radars and guidance stations at the range of 88 km. It can be carried by all American tactical and carrier-based aircraft in service.

Under the conditions of widespread use by the enemy of cruise missiles, camouflaging and dispersing fighters to alternate aerodromes will be of particular importance. The existing underground shelters cut into the rocks will also play a role. There is no doubt that based on the experience of using American high-precision aviation weapons and cruise missiles in local conflicts, the PLA command drew appropriate conclusions and was concerned about the creation of EW equipment capable of reducing the effectiveness of guided munitions, which use navigation positioning signals and remote control for guidance. . The effectiveness of the use of anti-radar missiles will be seriously reduced through the use of generators that simulate the operation of radar stations. In the event of a negative forecast of the development of a crisis situation and the announcement of a “threatened period”, anti-aircraft missile divisions, mobile radars and mobile communications centers should move to pre-prepared reserve deployment areas, and the old, well-known enemy positions will have pre-fabricated radars and traps. In the process of deploying anti-aircraft missile battalions, careful masking of real and equipment of false positions is carried out, with simultaneous observance of the radio silence mode. Provided that these measures are carried out in time, the effectiveness of striking with cruise missiles can be many times reduced, and attacks by a manned strike aircraft under conditions of an un-suppressed air defense system will be fraught with very significant losses.



With a high degree of confidence, it can be argued that in the event of an attack on objects in China, the PRC leadership will issue an order to retaliate attacking missile-bombing attacks on the bases from which the air assault weapons have risen. At the present level of development of the PRC's air defense, in armed conflict, in which only conventional ammunition will be used, the air attack of the United States and its allies will fail with acceptable losses to suppress the Chinese air defense system and to gain air superiority over the mainland of China.

It is impossible not to note the giant progress in improving the defense of the PRC. The Chinese top military-political leadership in the framework of military reform and modernization of the armed forces strive to create the maximum balance between modern fighter aircraft and anti-aircraft missile forces. The construction of the air defense system of China is carried out taking into account the development experience and achievements achieved by the air defense forces of the USSR and Russia. In the last decade, the fleet of ground-based radar stations has been updated by more than 70%, and approximately 20 DRLO aircraft are in service. Thanks to the introduction of combat information and control of automated systems, ground-based radar and airborne radar pickets are linked into one network. Interceptors and modern anti-aircraft missile systems are equipped with high-speed data exchange equipment in the closed mode. Information flows and the issuance of timely target designation is the responsibility of regional commands. Already, China’s air defense system is one of the best in the world and is capable of causing unacceptable damage to any enemy, effectively covering strategic facilities and troops.

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  1. +7
    24 February 2019 08: 02
    According to Western data, the number of anti-aircraft missile divisions deployed in fixed positions in the PRC is 110-120 units. Of these, modern systems and systems are armed with about 80% srdn. The Chinese are very zealous in preserving the existing infrastructure. Capital positions, where obsolete HQ-2 air defense systems were located in the past, are preserved in most cases; modern anti-aircraft systems are deployed on them after reconstruction. Unlike our country, where hundreds of expensive defense facilities were destroyed in the framework of “reforming” and “giving a new look”, in China they strictly monitor the targeted use and preservation of the existing infrastructure.
    Thank you, Sergey. Everything is correct. In some areas of the PRC, even the infrastructure that the Japanese built in the 30-s before the WWII, in Manchuria and on Hainan Island, modernized by the Chinese in the 60-70 of the twentieth century, is maintained in good repair.
  2. mvg
    +7
    24 February 2019 08: 13
    As always - cool. My respect to the author. hi
  3. +4
    24 February 2019 08: 24
    Sergey, a brilliant series of articles, read with great interest and pleasure good
    1. +7
      24 February 2019 09: 45
      Quote: faiver
      Sergey, a brilliant series of articles, read with great interest and pleasure

      Remarkable ending to a great cycle! In addition, the author revealed the entire system of defense of China.
  4. -10
    24 February 2019 10: 31
    Yes, China's air defense has risen dramatically. That you do not have the Patriots (standing nervously smoking in aside). SGA will have (in the place of Israel) to move in the market to step aside. China is now only remains of marine characteristics SPAR raised to heaven. Land raised SGA dust already swallows.
    1. +8
      24 February 2019 14: 08
      Quote: bmv04636
      This is not some kind of patriot for you (standing and nervously smoking on the sidelines). The MUH (in a place with Israel) will have to move in this market to stand aside. Now, China only left the characteristics of the marine SPECIALY raise to the skies. Land raised MGA dust already swallows.

      To our great regret, it has not yet reached you (judging by the number of minuses you received) that in order to competently comment on air defense issues, you must have not only "patriotism", but also certain knowledge. In addition, your terminology is extremely depressing, more suitable for the gateway than for the Military Review. What is SGA? wassat At one time, in the guidance documents and reviews on the "probable enemy", I have not come across such terms as "light elves" or "SGA". fool For professionals, and just literate people, such a lexicon causes persistent rejection.
      As for "patriots who smoke on the sidelines", you are ready to compare the possibilities with figures taken from open sources anti-aircraft Patriot submarines "PAC-1 / 2 with C-300PT / PS? After all, they are actually peers. In terms of combat capabilities in terms of combating aerodynamic objectives, the C-300PM is superior to the Patriot »PAC-3. But as part of the American complex there are specialized missiles ERINT with a kinetic warhead. In addition, in the past 30 years, US air defense has relied mainly on fighter-interceptors. Also, if you want, you can talk about the Israeli complexes.
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        1. -6
          24 February 2019 19: 08
          asked compared
          1. -9
            24 February 2019 19: 13
            Military ReviewPVO
            Triumph vs. Patriot. Who will win?
            August 14 2018
            32
            read at your leisure
            1. +9
              25 February 2019 02: 18
              Quote: bmv04636
              Military ReviewPVO
              Triumph vs. Patriot. Who will win?
              August 14 2018
              32
              read at your leisure

              You suggest the author to study the problems of air defense on the basis of the articles Ryabov Cyril? lol Did you really not notice the great difference in the elaboration of information in this cycle and in the fact that you are imploring the author? fool
              1. -8
                25 February 2019 05: 09
                not only see above. Let's compare the C-400 and Patriot's the problem that. Problem with the Patriots at the Saudis have ali you deny the existence of problems.
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                1. +4
                  25 February 2019 14: 28
                  Quote: bmv04636
                  Borders of the affected area, km:

                  - far for aerodynamic purposes: 150- 400 - 60 - 80

                  What's the truth No. And what rockets? Do not bullshit because it hurts No. You only get information from Vekipedia or "Zvezda".
                  The Z-300PT air defense missile system with 5B55KD missile defense is the maximum range of 47 km.
                  The C-300PT-1 / C-300PS with 5V55Р – 75 km missiles (from the end of the 80-x was delivered 5В55РМ PSAs with 90 km) With C-300PS, the ZRVS XRUMXXXNUMXРМ range with XNUMX km was used. rockets are being exploited.
                  Unlike the "Patriot" S-300PT / PS never not considered a means of missile defense. For this purpose, C-300B was designed with a heavy 9М82 anti-missile, but C-300В was built approximately 10 times smaller than C-300ПТ / ПС. The supply of C-300PM to its own armed forces was very limited and ended in the 1996 year, after which only modernization (during major overhauls) to the level of C-300ММNNXX / ПМ1. The 2H48E SAMs are really capable of fighting against OTP, but the real line of interception and the probability of defeat are comparable to the Patriot RAK-6.

                  Quote: bmv04636
                  The PAC-3 rocket is intended primarily for the destruction of tactical ballistic missiles.

                  "Patriot" has always been primarily considered as a means of combating aerodynamic targets (aircraft and missile defense), with limited missile defense capabilities. To increase the anti-missile potential of the PAC-3, an ERINT interceptor missile with a kinetic warhead was introduced, which we do not have yet. But this, of course, does not make the Patriot an effective missile defense system, but is seen as an addition to THAAD.
                  In Saudi Arabia, they are used to intercept ballistic targets. airborne Patriot RAK-2 built 25 years ago, and talking about the low efficiency of the "Patriots" based on the experience of non-targeted use of not the newest complexes is somehow strange.
                  You should not overestimate the C-400 capabilities in the missile defense system. The energy capabilities of the guidance radar and the performance of the computing complex have indeed increased significantly. But in C-400, the same missiles are used so far as in C-300PM, and therefore the anti-missile capabilities remain the same. First of all, it is anti-aircraft system.
                  Quote: bmv04636
                  The guidance satellite begins to transmit information about the coordinates of the target to the rocket only 90 seconds after its detection.

                  This is generally a masterpiece! good You cannot name the type of "satellite", and please tell us what role it plays in the guidance of interceptor missiles?
                  1. -5
                    25 February 2019 21: 47
                    According to the video, I understand there is nothing. Although you can refer that it is quite old. According to the data I repent, I took it from a new newspaper (there is a link there) They are lying reptiles not 150 but 250
                    Performance characteristics of the C-300BM
                    The maximum detection range 400-500 km.
                    Ballistic Missile Range:
                    SAM 9M83ME - up to 40 km,
                    SAM 9М82МЭ, 9М82МДЭ - up to 30 km.
                    The maximum speed of tracking targets is up to 4800 m / s.
                    The mass of the warhead missiles - 150 kg.
                    Preparation time for missiles to launch - 7,5 seconds.
                    The interval between missile launches from one / different launchers is 1,5 / 0 seconds.
                    Speed ​​of movement of combat assets - up to 50 km / h.
                    Deployment Time / clotting combat means SAM - no more than 6 minutes.
                    Range of destruction of aerodynamic targets in range:
                    for missiles 9M83ME / 9М82МЭ - up to 120-130 / 200-250 km, for missiles 9М82МДЭ - up to 350 km; in height - up to 30 km.
                    The material was prepared on the basis of information from RIA Novosti and open sources.
                    Although I suggested you compare your vaunted patriot with C-400 (as I understand the further development of C-300). Although I generally did not speak about comparing our air defense with the SGA air defense. And based on the analysis of 9 articles written here about the Chinese air defense, that it (China's air defense) surpasses the air defense of the NEA in almost all respects. Due to their remoteness, the air defense system of the SGA is not particularly developed, they hoped to apparently sit over the ocean
                    1. +3
                      26 February 2019 02: 45
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      In the video I say I understand nothing.

                      I do not comment on banality and inaccurate information. No.
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      Performance characteristics of the C-300BM

                      This is what you write for? Do you know how many have made them?
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      Although I offered you to compare your praised Patriot with C-400

                      He's not mine, he's American. "Patriot" as an anti-aircraft system is inferior to the S-400, but their anti-missile capabilities are approximately equal.
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      Although I did not speak at all about the comparison of our air defense with the MUH.

                      I do not know what MGA is ... wassat If you want to communicate with you use the generally accepted terms.
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      By virtue of its remoteness, the defense of the MUH was not particularly developed and hoped to apparently sit out across the ocean

                      You are direct "Captain Evidence" ... are you telling me this?
                      North America Air Defense System (below are also 5 parts)
                      https://topwar.ru/105796-sistema-pvo-severnoy-ameriki-chast-5.html
                      1. -5
                        26 February 2019 20: 55
                        Well, everything is clear with you. We will analyze this opus of yours on points:
                        1. According to the video, if you’re the chief designer of NIEMI OJSC Victor Epifanov simply banality and unreliability, then you have very high self-esteem about yourself right up to Everest.
                        2.Pohozhe you begin to dodge and cheat. You doubted, I brought the data there are missiles at the Antei-2500 complex with a range of 200 (250) (9М82М).
                        3. I do not offer you a comparison of our video conferencing capabilities to your defense MUH. I just wrote that judging by the articles (as many as 9 parts) of China's air defense, I reached a level that is higher than the level of the SGA air defense (sorry about the pun I did not say)
                        4. SGA Air Defense (SGA, abbreviation: SGA - United States of America, one of the translation options from the English United States of America). Even against the background of Chinese air defense, it looks rather mediocre. About kinetic interceptors, if you want, we can also talk (how they cheated there during the tests)
                        And so the general bonus about the rusty iron dome in holes based on the Patriot complexes can also talk
                        By cons on HE, stable groups (sects) have long been observed which categorically reject critical comments and, as I understand it, in impotent rage they start to minus
                      2. +4
                        27 February 2019 02: 33
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        According to the video, if you are the chief designer of OAO NIEMI, Viktor Nikolaevich Epifanov, simply banality and inaccuracy, then you have a very high self-esteem about yourself, you are not afraid of falling above Everest from such a height (and in fact there is nothing to say).

                        I, unlike you, studied the possibilities of our air defense not on TV and Wikipedia ... fool And I'm not interested in zomboyaschik No.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        You doubted, I brought the data there are rockets on the Antey-2500 complex with a range of 200 (250) (9М82М).

                        What place did I doubt? You better answer how much we have Antey-2500? And this is a system, not a complex, because you don’t even know it.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Air Defense MUH (MUH, abbreviation: MUH - United States of America

                        What official documents use this crazy name?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        About kinetic interceptors, if you want, we can also talk (as they cheated there during trials)

                        Did you attend the tests? lol
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        And so the general bonus about the rusty iron dome in holes based on the Patriot complexes can also talk

                        The Patriot has never been the backbone of US air defense. No.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        By cons on HE, stable groups (sects) have long been observed which categorically reject critical comments and, as I understand it, in impotent rage they start to minus

                        Minus mostly those who write frank delirium.
                        And I also have a personal question for you, did you serve in the armed forces? And if served, where?
                      3. -3
                        27 February 2019 05: 02
                        Well, you will refute al pride from the mountain going down. It specifically says that the C-300 is better than the Patriot and 360 degrees of firing and a cold start. Not at all I started this debate. I just said that judging by the 9 issues, China’s comprehensive approach to the air defense problem has justified and led the country into the lead, while I wrote that China’s air defense is ahead of the SGA’s air defense. If you really want to measure it, then consider air defense of the Russian Aerospace Forces, well, at least with your favorite Pentagon Air Defense SGA, approach this structurally and do not forget about the Pentogon and Russian Defense Ministry budgets and the effectiveness of their use.
                      4. +1
                        27 February 2019 04: 50
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        On the video if you are the chief designer of JSC NIEMI Viktor Nikolaevich Epifanov just banality and unreliability

                        How old is this video, and for what audience is it calculated?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        then you have a very high self-esteem about yourself, and above Everest you are not afraid to fall from such a height (and in fact there is nothing to say).

                        Well, I don’t know about Everest, but Seryozha worked on Elbrus. lol However, you do not understand. wink And are you not going to "knock" the author? By the way, even on this branch there are people who served with him in the same military unit, who know who he is and what he is. What can be said about you?
                        Only that the horizons are very limited, obstinacy based on ignorance, extreme ideology, vocabulary from the gateway and knowledge gleaned from sources such as "Star" and "Wikipedia". It is not surprising that getting involved in a discussion of a topic in which you are completely ignorant, you have managed to gain so many disadvantages. negative
                        They usually shout in the "News" section, other amateurs to shout about "having no analogs" have understood this long ago and do not get involved in discussion of serious topics.
                      5. -3
                        27 February 2019 05: 30
                        I don’t argue with the old one, but the layout solution of the Patriot did not change from this. Speak served. It seems that the army of the 2000 model of the year is very different from the army of the 2019 model of the year. What are you who is officially the media of MO Zvezda that enrages me, as I understand it, and the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov and Borisov Yuri Ivanovich infuriates you. Maybe someone for whom you so zealously stood up over time for the Bronze-laden (since it almost became a monument to say). As I understand it, something offended the Russian Defense Ministry. Well, since the topic of personalities has come up, let him say who he is with us, the title years of service, I will thank (or not). About numbing analogues in the world and cartoons just do not need to. Just look at how beautiful cartoons recently painted sellers of weapons of Israel. As he said so, this is the sect that has manifested itself.
                      6. +2
                        27 February 2019 11: 09
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        let him say who he is with us the title of the years of service I will oblad (or not).

                        Where did you serve? After all, a person asked you politely:
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Did you serve in the armed forces? And if served, where?


                        Quote: bmv04636
                        I will (or not).

                        You are not in a circus to arrange a standing ovation. And not from the Beatles group to say Obladi oblada.
                        By the way, what is your education?
                      7. 0
                        27 February 2019 16: 51
                        Higher technical mechanical engineer. I look here the sect of support pulls up and invited his moderator
                      8. +2
                        27 February 2019 19: 48
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        I look here sect support pulls up

                        The author of the article is an atheist, and I am baptized. So what about the sect you bent.
                        We are united by an interest in military topics.
                        So we are not a sect, we are a team of like-minded people.

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        and your moderator was invited

                        The moderator is not ours, but the site.
                        Nothing illegal or an acquaintance, we did not take.
                        On the contrary: follow the simple rules of the site.
                        We ask you to comply with them.
                        In particular, items c) and g).
                      9. 0
                        27 February 2019 20: 40
                        I apologize the sect should have been put in quotes. If you do not like the word "sect", then you can say a stable group to promote their interests on the site and raise and lower the rating.
                      10. +2
                        27 February 2019 21: 40
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        group to promote their interests on the site and raise and lower the rating.

                        Are you on the site for rating?

                        Read to the end of g) the rules of the site.
                        For violations, shine and even an eternal ban shines.
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                    1. +3
                      26 February 2019 03: 02
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      I found the satellites reported

                      Happy for you! good
                      But the available satellite constellation can control a very limited theater. Satellites never did not play a major role in the combat work of the Patriot air defense system. No. In addition, you can not imagine how the long-range air defense missile system is going to work. To say that satellites give target designation is the same as saying that target designation is issued by the P-14 surveillance radar. Only detection and approximate trajectory calculation. This is not the same thing. No.
                    2. +2
                      27 February 2019 11: 39
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      I found the satellites reported

                      Dear,
                      We kindly request: Do not insert entire articles from third-party resources.
                      By doing so, you clog up the site and violate its rules.
                      It is enough to insert a link and tell where to read.

                      For example:
                      Source https://eot56.livejournal.com/126453.html
                      Read: SBIRS (Space-Based Infrared System)
                      1. 0
                        27 February 2019 16: 53
                        Well, if the opponent does not look, does not read reasonably does not respond, I had to insert a detailed comment. Note flood started not me
                      2. +2
                        27 February 2019 19: 50
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Well, if the opponent does not look, he does not read, does not reasonably answer

                        He reads and responds. And in detail and convincingly.
                        The author still serves in air defense. Therefore, he knows what he is writing about.
                        Specifically, the 9 part of the article read more than 7 thousand people, but only Mr. Bazhenov doubted the knowledge of the author.
                        In terms of commentary, it comes first. True, not in content.
                        What data is more reliable: delight from the advertising brochure or review of an experienced user and professional?

                        By the way, you have not answered: Did you serve in the army?
                        If served, then where?

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Zamete flood did not start me

                        And who else inserts entire articles from third-party sites into the comment?
                      3. 0
                        27 February 2019 20: 50
                        I didn’t doubt where you saw it. I just said that China’s air defense, according to the nine parts presented, has risen to a level that is higher than the SGA air defense. And he wrote, perhaps not quite correctly, that China’s air defense systems are qualitatively better than the SGA Patriot complex. And here, for some reason, the opponent suffered a comparison of the S-300 air defense system with the patriot note, I didn’t stutter at all about the air defense of the Russian Federation VKS at the first stage and did not compare them with the air defense of the SGA. About missile defense did not stutter at all. And the opponent strongly reminds me of Konstantin Valentinovich.
                        PS The author would like HYIP he received it (this is the preamble of the first article).
                        China does not need to scare us. Let China fear the United States and its gallant Minions, which, in principle, is described in nine articles about China's air defense by the author, which I completely agree with. It’s just that in my opinion the author led the wrong initial introductory notes.
                        And yes, I didn’t understand why Bongo didn’t please Bongo, the chief designer of JSC NIEMI, Viktor Nikolaevich Epifanov when he managed to cross the road.
                      4. +2
                        27 February 2019 21: 36
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        And I wrote maybe not quite correctly

                        I agree. And not only in the 9 part.
                        Here is your quote from the previous one:
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        California will join China

                        I advise you to remember the saying more often: Silence is gold.
                        People are different, you never know what they think after reading this.
                        The site still lacked incendiary zest.

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Opponent suffered a comparison of the C-300 with a Patriot

                        He is a specialist - it is better for him to know what to compare with.

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        in nine articles about China’s air defense by the author, which I fully agree with.

                        I am glad. Author, have you heard?

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        In my opinion, the author did not correct the original introductory.

                        So write an article and state your point of view in it.
                        Get your share of comments at the same time.
                      5. -3
                        27 February 2019 21: 42
                        Here, as I understand it, there are stable groups. Sons of Israel, the group you call cheers patriots. You and the author would probably have identified Sivkov’s group. It's funny to watch you
                      6. +2
                        27 February 2019 21: 48
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        It's funny to watch you

                        Play on health.
                        If only there was no war.
                      7. +1
                        28 February 2019 01: 57
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Higher technical mechanical engineer. I look here the sect of support pulls up and invited his moderator

                        I didn’t know that I had “my own moderator” who, in the past, also repeatedly banned me. lol And about the sect it finally ... wassat Maybe the fact is that adequate readers are not happy with outright nonsense?
                        Answer me the engineer-mechanic, what do you say about the person who, in the comments to the technical article, starts calling the wheel a washer, the axis is a stick, the shaft is a log, and the screws are screws? In your posts, about the same.
                        Quote: Mister X
                        The author still serves in air defense. Therefore, he knows what he is writing about.

                        Mikhail, Seryozha has already resigned from the armed forces, now serves in another department. Where I will not report, to those around him, useless knowledge, and he will scold me. But it's not that. Have you read such reviews a lot? No. Here, after all, not only the description of the technology, but also a comprehensive analysis of the capabilities of the Chinese air defense and air force and their development trends. How not cool, but for this you need to have special knowledge.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Well, if the opponent does not look does not read it does not respond, it was necessary to insert a detailed comment.

                        The author has answered you many times, but unfortunately you are deaf to arguments. You have "patriotism".
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Zamete flood did not start me

                        And why did you then get up whole chapters from Wikipedia? Do you sincerely believe that the author is not aware of the true characteristics of our anti-aircraft systems? From your other posts, Seryozha did not know whether to cry or laugh. For example about Antey-2500. After all, you were not just asked where the system is in service and how many were built?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        And here, for some reason, the opponent suffered a comparison of the C-300 ground-to-ground missile systems with the Patriot I didn’t notice about the Russian Federation’s air defense. About missile defense did not stutter.

                        You have repeatedly written that "Patriot" is full, but to put it mildly, not quite so. What kind of SGA? fool It’s normal to say no luck, what is this sub-lexicon for?
                        The author showed a rare patience and tact, indicating that the first modifications of C-300P lacked anti-missile capabilities, and specialized C-300В built very little. Or do you disagree with that?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        The author wanted a hype he got it (this applies to the preamble of the first article).

                        What do you disagree with specifically from what was said in the first part?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        And yes, I didn’t understand why Bongo didn’t please Bongo, the chief designer of JSC NIEMI, Viktor Nikolaevich Epifanov when he managed to cross the road.

                        These are your fantasies. Another question is that you should not take on faith everything that is said in the media for the average person. A lot of frank lies. Do you know how many modern systems built after the disintegration of the USSR exist in Nanush ZRV before 2007?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Here I understand how there are sustainable groups. The sons of Israel, the group you call the patriots cheers.

                        You are again in your repertoire ... negative What does the "Sons of Israel" have to do with it?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        You and the author would probably identify the group Sivkov.

                        K. Sivkov, unlike the author, is a public person and I assure you, Seryozha is not too sympathetic to him. However, I am very far from a naval subject, and I can’t be right whether Sivkov is right or wrong. Another question is that you are incapable of perceiving information that does not correspond to your cliché and is at odds with your views. And the worst of all is that you cannot argue your point of view with reason, but start to rally.
                      8. 0
                        28 February 2019 05: 50
                        As for the stable groups, it’s not me who came up with the problem, even VO voiced it, even tried to solve it, reformed it, but it still seemed to remain. As for the point of view, I didn’t hear from the opponent why the patriot is better than the C-300 complex (although he started this debate). I kind of gave him the proof that he was wrong (that the patriot has design flaws which are described in detail in the video about the range when he had doubts he indicated that there is a modification that provides this range of defeat on that the opponent began to evade and you know how much these complexes have shorter tried to get off the technical specifications). As for the number of modern weapons, I can congratulate all of us in the 2019 year the deliveries of the S-350 Vityaz were appointed (apparently still dopped off its marine modification). And as I understand it, taking the experience of Israel (the work of its iron dome), we have an interesting link on the air defense system. The far boundary of the C-400 (goes into service) the middle line of the C-350 is a small cover for the Shell (although I don’t like it, I think that Toram is loses). Note C-300 in this scheme is not. and together with the author you are proposing to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to spray money.
                        PS I can listen and argue too
                      9. +1
                        28 February 2019 06: 58
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        As for the stable groups, I did not come up with the problem. Even VO sounded, even tried to solve, reformed, but it seems that they still remained.

                        Do I understand correctly, you are going to argue that the author has formed a stable group, the purpose of which is to discredit you?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        As for the point of view, I didn’t hear from my opponent than the Patriot is better than the C-300 complex (although he started this argument).

                        Do you want me to give your comments about the "Patriot" and see who first mentioned it?
                        Cite, please, where did the author assert that the Patriot is better than the S-300? Although it is not clear what modification of the S-300 you are writing about. The author explained to you on the "fingers" that the S-300PT / PS did not have anti-missile capabilities. For this, the S-300V was created, but very few of them were built, like the S-300PM. Even I got it.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        the opponent began to shirk and you know how many of these complexes are, in short, tried to jump off the technical characteristics

                        Are you raving? wassat You were asked a very specific question, how many Antey-2500 air defense systems you mentioned are in our armed forces. What is the dismount? Why write about something that is not in the army?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        There is no C-300 in this scheme. and you, along with the author, propose the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to spray money.

                        Where did the author and I state this? what It seems to me that your imagination has been played out.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        I can listen and argue too

                        It would be great ... but for now request
                      10. 0
                        28 February 2019 17: 42
                        The fact that you are a stable blind group will not notice. In order to discredit me, well, don’t have to laugh at who I am, I don’t have such a bloated conceit. The jump with Antey is that the opponent suggested comparing the C-300 with the patriots, and compared with that our VKS of the Russian Federation antey in general is an export version. I also offered a real comparison of the air defense forces of the Russian Air Force with the air defense of the NGA on our part, this is S-400
                      11. +1
                        1 March 2019 14: 25
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        I also proposed a real comparison of the air defense of the VKS RF with the MUH air defense from our side, this is С-400

                        Write "SGA" again, and I will ignore you, because I do not use garbage vocabulary and terminology. As for the S-400, you, as a person, are much more informed than I, for sure you know which SAMs are available in combat anti-aircraft missile divisions, and how they differ from the S-300PM1 / PM2?
                      12. -1
                        1 March 2019 21: 10
                        All you do not let go
                        The commander of the aerospace defense of North America, General Terrence O'Shaughnessy, said that Russian weapons could reach American territory in 15 minutes, writes The Washington Times.
                        In Congress, he noted that Moscow “has only recently developed and deployed tools that pose a threat to the United States beyond the threshold of a nuclear war,” the text of an RT article reports.
                        Among the threats, he named a new generation of air and sea-based cruise missiles, which can be launched at a considerable distance from the American border beyond the coverage of NORAD radars, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, anti-ship cruise missiles and missiles against ground targets. He also pointed out that Russia has Severodvinsk-class submarines armed with "advanced cruise missiles to destroy ground targets."
                        He also called surface ships in the Arctic, equipped with Caliber missile systems, another threat to the United States.
                        He also said that the new Vanguard hypersonic missile has sufficient speed characteristics to break through the US missile defense system and strike at American territory for 15 minutes after launch with a ballistic missile.

                        Stop living in the past
                        The head of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense, Lieutenant General Vladimir Lyaporov, announced the supply of the latest Russian anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 and C-350 Vityaz to the troops.
                        According to the general, in the training center for the training of anti-aircraft missile troops in Gatchina (Leningrad Region), the Russian military is already learning how to use C-500 systems, TASS reports.
                        “I note that in 2019 the first graduation of officers will take place, who will graduate from the academy according to the training program for work at the C-500 complex, which is not yet in the army, but we expect it in the near future,” the general told Red Star.
                        He also said that at the end of the 2019 of the year, the first mid-range S-350 Vityaz complexes are expected to enter the Gatchina anti-aircraft missile training center.
                      13. +1
                        2 March 2019 03: 09
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        All you do not let go
                        It's funny when such a divan strategist writes, he did not serve in the armed forces. No.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        The commander of the aerospace defense of North America, General Terrence O'Shaughnessy, said that Russian weapons could reach American territory in 15 minutes, writes The Washington Times

                        Yeah ... I read you, and immediately recall our Foreign Minister. wassat
                      14. 0
                        2 March 2019 10: 38
                        Reading you arises and not whether you all are Konstantin Valentinovich hiding under the nickname Bongo.
                      15. +1
                        4 March 2019 01: 19
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Reading you arises and not whether you all are Konstantin Valentinovich hiding under the nickname Bongo.

                      16. 0
                        4 March 2019 05: 09
                        Not you are not your Suzerain who started a dispute about the patriot and C-300 didn’t refute the words of the chief designer Viktor Epifanov, but the design flaws of the patriot
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        1. +1
          26 February 2019 02: 54
          Quote: bmv04636
          Each anti-aircraft missile division consists of radar 9C15М, radar 9С19М2 ...

          Put you a minus. negative This is actually spam. negative Why do you fill a branch with empty information?
    2. +3
      25 February 2019 19: 12
      Quote: bmv04636
      This is not some patriots


      The Chinese plan to make the HQ-22 with the H-200 radar (stolen AN / MPQ-53 from the Patriot) and KS-1A missiles (stolen Imp Hawk) as the main mass air defense system.
      1. +1
        26 February 2019 02: 55
        Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
        The Chinese plan to make the HQ-22 with the H-200 radar (stolen AN / MPQ-53 from the Patriot) and KS-1A missiles (stolen Imp Hawk) as the main mass air defense system.

        Well, about missiles controversial No. Geometry and the missile guidance system of the Chinese are different.
  5. +5
    24 February 2019 11: 03
    Well done Chinese! Umbrella provided themselves! Thank you very much to the author for the cycle, very informative and interesting !!!
  6. +2
    24 February 2019 13: 43
    Thank you!
    An interesting and high-quality article, a very good review.
    drinks
  7. +3
    24 February 2019 14: 02
    Sergei hi as always on top. A huge pleir to you for cooling the zealous patriots with regards to the complexes with 400, it is undeniable that they are the most perfect of the existing ones, but you still should not roll your lip and try to force them to do what they are not intended for. I hope to listen to you good Undoubtedly, China’s air defense is quite full-fledged and in the event of a conflict a lot of blood will argue with the United States and its allies. But if we consider a hypothetical conflict, we can safely include the activities of the air defense forces, both directly against air defense objects, and additional reconnaissance and target designation in anti-air defense measures. Well, it’s impossible to write off the fact that it is the United States that has a good experience of massive air strikes and anti-aircraft defense. In any case, an easy walk is not expected. Although the financial dependence of these states on each other is better than any air defense restrains from rash actions laughing Until the United States replaces more products from China, and that, in turn, does not find a new market, more than local skirmishes, I think, is not expected. In general, the series of articles turned out to be sooooo informative, huge respect and respect for you drinks Happy holiday and look forward to the next articles good drinks
    1. +7
      24 February 2019 14: 16
      Quote: Korax71
      Sergey hi as always on top.
      drinks
      Quote: Korax71
      Huge plezier to you for cooling off especially zealous patriots

      After a dispute with ardent "patriots", I started writing this cycle. To my great regret, despite my direct invitation, those who threw mud at Chinese fighters, radars and air defense systems did not find it possible to take part in the discussion. request
      Quote: Korax71
      but if we consider a hypothetical conflict, then in the measures for countering air defense we can safely include the activities of the drg, both directly against the objects of air defense, and supplementary exploration and target designation.

      American drg in the depths of Chinese territory? Sorry, I do not believe. No. In the past, in the Far Eastern Military District, there were battalions in the DSB that recruited troops with an Asian appearance. But even that, they were intended only for actions in the immediate vicinity of the front line.
      1. +2
        24 February 2019 15: 33
        As for the planes, I fully and completely agree with you. Somewhere I came across information about a seemingly smaller engine resource than in domestic aviation, but I could not verify it. But even so, we are resolving this issue. Although to be honest, it really was a discovery for me that our planes assembled in China, in the end, turned out to be of even better quality. Of course, drg actions are not possible in the depths of defense, it’s even undeniable hi, for this there is an agent network.
      2. +3
        24 February 2019 15: 58
        Sergey, I’ll ask you a question, feel Based on the material of your articles, I realized that the air defense forces of the People's Republic of China do not experience any significant shortage in the preparation of both the flight crew and the calculations of the air defense system. It would be interesting to know whether the training of the personnel of the air defense and the Far East Military District corresponds to the level of training of the neighbors. Not necessarily the opinion of official sources, I would have been quite pleased with your opinion as a person directly involved. I met information on the construction of developed road communications in the areas bordering Russia, so it seems that building up both the land group and air defense will not be difficult for China .
        1. +4
          24 February 2019 18: 06
          Quote: Korax71
          It would be interesting to know whether the preparation of personnel for air defense, the staff of the Far Eastern Military District corresponds to the level of training of neighbors.

          Alexander, the level of training of personnel in the 11 of the Red Banner Army VKS is quite high.
          As for the number, at the moment 13 С-300ПС / С-400 is deployed in the territory from Vladivostok to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. In the JAR and Sakhalin - four divisions C-300В. In total, the three Far Eastern fighter regiments have a total of just over a hundred Su-27CM, Su-30М2, Su-35С and MiG-31БМ fighters. Draw your own conclusions ...
  8. +2
    24 February 2019 23: 48
    I would like to add a little Chinese look to the topic.
    Not official, but artistic (what they really think).
    So, the film is about how brave Chinese pilots on airplanes, the description of which can be seen in this series of articles, bravely deal with the bearded villains with whom the military countries of Manbu feel (oh, they called the wrong country Manboy .... and it borders on China ...) they can’t overcome it.
  9. +3
    3 March 2019 23: 31
    Quote: bmv04636
    Borisov Yuri Ivanovich infuriates you

    In many ways, to believe Yuri Ivanovich - not to respect yourself. Sometimes it freezes that you don’t know what to do, laugh or cry, what a person who has held the post of deputy defense minister can say. Yes, a specialist in the field of radio electronics, but when he starts talking about rocketry, his ears wilt

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    What are you who is officially the media of the Moscow Zvezda then enrages, as I understand, the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

    Yes, at least by the fact that there have been a lot of non-professional publications and stories lately. Any kind of mass media is first of all mass media and, nevertheless, there are professionals working in the field of mass media, and not military equipment.

    As for Konoshenkov, the death of our IL in Syria and the press conference showed him a lot. When the head of the press service begins to get confused in time - this is not in his favor ...

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    You and the author would probably identify the group Sivkov.

    Link to Sivkov, Damantsev and some others on the site - bad manners

    Quote: bmv04636
    All you do not let go
    The commander of the aerospace defense of North America, General Terrence O'Shaughnessy, said that Russian weapons could reach American territory in 15 minutes, writes The Washington Times.
    .

    Generals - they are like that for some, the flying time became 15 minutes (I wonder what kind of physical laws the general used when calculating. Another, though ex-admiral (ours) already stated that they will overcome 1000 km in 5 minutes, not thinking about what’s going on It’s contrary to the parameters announced by the president. At the same admiral, the marching speed in 9M at an altitude of 40 km became 11000 km / h. For the fourth (the same Borisov), the speed in outer space is measured in terms of the speed of sound in the atmosphere (27М)

    Quote: bmv04636
    Among the threats, he named a new generation of air and sea-based cruise missiles, which can be launched at a considerable distance from the American border beyond the coverage of NORAD radars, Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers, anti-ship cruise missiles and missiles against ground targets. Also, he said, Russia has Severodvinsk class submarines armed with "advanced cruise missiles to destroy ground targets."

    The main task of this general was to scare his own congressmen and electorate. ... Especially pleased with the plural mention of the Yasen-class submarines. How do advanced RCs on these boats differ from similar American "tomahawks"?

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    He also called surface ships in the Arctic, which are equipped with Caliber missile systems, another threat to the United States.

    And what kind of ships in the Arctic are equipped with the "Caliber" complex. And most importantly, where will they end up if they are allowed from the Arctic ??

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    He also said that the new Vanguard hypersonic missile has sufficient speed characteristics to break through the US missile defense system and strike at American territory for 15 minutes after launch with a ballistic missile.

    This means that a conventional warhead launched by an ICBM flies there within 20-30 minutes, and the Vanguard within 15 General's masterpiece. Its speed characteristics will be the same as that of a regular NUBB. And in exactly the same way, according to the physical laws "Vanguard" will slow down in the atmosphere. And what about a missile defense breakthrough, it’s impossible to create a missile defense that would hold back at least the launch of 30-40 missiles, not to mention a mass launch