Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 7)

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At present, China has caught up with Russia in the number of medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems deployed. At the same time, the process of replacing outdated air defense systems with liquid missiles with new anti-aircraft systems with solid-propellant missiles is very active.

Prior to the beginning of 1990, the most long-range and high-altitude firing means of the Chinese Air Defense Forces was the first-generation air defense system HQ-2, created on the basis of the Soviet C-75 (more here) In the second half of the 1980s, on the basis of samples obtained from Egypt, air defense systems NQ-2B (with a launcher on a light chassis) were created in China tank) and HQ-2J (towed). The most widely used modification was the HQ-2J, the later versions of which are still on combat duty. In its capabilities, the HQ-2J complex came close to the Soviet S-75M Volga air defense system. However, the Chinese designers failed to achieve the range and noise immunity characteristics of the S-75M3 Volkhov SAM with the V-759 (5Y23) SAM. Serial production of HQ-2J air defense systems completed about 15 years ago. Until recently, first-generation complexes with missiles fueled with liquid fuel and a caustic oxidizer were the most massive in the PLA air defense system.



Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 7)

Test launch anti-aircraft missiles SAM NQ-2J


In the 21 century, a significant part of the most recent HQ-2J air defense systems went through a major modernization aimed at improving the noise immunity and increasing the number of simultaneously fired targets. For this purpose, a multifunctional radar with AFAR H-2, developed for the HQ-200 anti-aircraft missile system, was introduced into HQ-12J. According to information published in the Chinese media, non-modernized HQ-2 are being massively removed from service. The remaining infrastructure and launch positions after reconstruction are used to deploy anti-aircraft missile systems: HQ-9, HQ-12 and HQ-16.

By the beginning of the 1980-x, it became clear that China was far behind in the field of modern air defense systems. At that time in the PRC, attempts were made to independently design medium-range and long-range air defense systems. But due to lack of experience and the inability of the PRC radio-electronic industry to create world-class products, their own developments were not brought to mass production. Nevertheless, the accumulated results and developments were useful in the creation of short-range and medium-range anti-aircraft systems, which were a conglomeration of technical solutions borrowed from Western designs and their own design finds.

In 1989, at the aerospace show in Dubai, the HQ-7 short-range air defense system was demonstrated for the first time. This complex was created within the framework of the Sino-French defense cooperation based on the Crotale mobile air defense system.


Combat vehicle SAMs HQ-7В


The HQ-7 SAM system battery consists of a combat control vehicle with an air target detection radar (18 km range) and three armored combat vehicles with radio command guidance stations, each of which has 4 SAM.


Machine combat control battery SAMs HQ-7В


In the modernized HQ-7В air defense missile system, a combat command and control unit equipped with radar with phased array (detection range 25 km) was used, and the maximum missile launch range was increased from 12 to 15 km. At the same time, noise immunity and probability of damage are significantly increased. According to Chinese data, in a simple jamming environment at a distance of 12 km, the probability of destroying a MiG-21 type target flying at a speed of 900 km / h is a two-barreled volley of 0,95. LAW HQ-7 / 7В are in service with the air defense units of the Ground Forces, and are used by the Air Force to protect airfields.



Anti-aircraft missile systems of this type in the past were covered by large air bases located along the Taiwan Strait. For combat duty on the protection of stationary objects from the anti-missile battalion, usually one of the three firing batteries was allocated on a rotational basis. Duration of duty on 10 days.

The airbases and positions of long-range anti-aircraft missile systems are also covered by the HQ-64, HQ-6D and HQ-6A air defense systems. As part of these complexes are used missiles created on the basis of Italian aviation medium-range missiles with a semi-active homing Aspide Mk. 1. The Italian missile, in turn, has much in common with the US air-to-air AIM-7 Sparrow. In the mid-80s, as part of military-technical cooperation, Italy supplied documentation for the Aspide Mk.1 SD. On the basis of the Italian license and components in the PRC in 1989, the assembly of anti-aircraft missiles and air-to-air missiles began, intended for arming J-8II interceptors. But after the events in Tiananmen Square, the supply of parts for assembling missiles ceased. In this regard, a limited number of HQ-61 air defense systems were built, which also had serious reliability problems. Currently, all HQ-61 air defense systems are decommissioned.


Rocket launch with HQ-61


Only in the second half of 90-s Chinese industry managed to master the independent release of the clone of the Chinese "Asp". The rocket, adapted for use in the ZRK, received the designation LY-60.


Chinese soldiers with the ZY LY-60


The LY-60 anti-aircraft missile with a mass of 220 kg, when launched from a ground-based PU, accelerates to 1200 m / s and is capable of hitting air targets at a range of up to 15000 m. -60A. Unlike the HQ-64 ADMS on the HQ-6, which was put into service in the 6 year, the missiles are housed in closed transport-launch containers. The number of missiles, ready to use on self-propelled launcher, increased from two to four.


Rocket launch with HQ-64


It is reported that, thanks to the use of more energy-intensive solid fuel, the rocket speed was increased to 4 M, and the launch range increased to 18000 m. Increased reliability of the hardware and the radar detection range. The next modification of the HQ-6D has the ability to integrate SAMs into the long-range air defense missile system, and thanks to the introduction of new microprocessors, the speed of information processing and the number of target channels are increased. In the ammunition introduced new missiles with active radar homing, which allows for the regime of "fired and forgotten." The HQ-6A (artillery) modification included the 30-mm seven-barreled anti-aircraft artillery unit, the Ture 730, with a radar-optical guidance system, based on the Goalkeeper, a Dutch ship-based anti-aircraft artillery system.


The control point of the HQ-6А ЗРК with a towed anti-aircraft installation Ture 730


There is reason to believe that the HQ-6D air defense systems built earlier are being upgraded to the HQ-6А level. A two-axle trailer with an anti-aircraft installation, the Tour 730, is added to the control point of the anti-aircraft missile system. It is believed that this increases the capabilities of the HQ-6А complex for the destruction of low-altitude air targets, which has become anti-aircraft missile and artillery. According to the reference data, as part of the air defense system of the People's Republic of China, combat duty is carried by at least 20 ADMS HQ-6D / 6А.

The self-developed medium-range air defense system HQ-12. The design of this complex, designed to replace the HQ-2 air defense system, was initiated in the 1979 year. However, the creation of a solid-fuel anti-aircraft missile with the same range and altitude as that of the HQ-2 air defense missile systems proved to be a very difficult task. The first sample, known as KS-1, was presented to the general public in 1994 year. In this case, the SJ-202В missile guidance station, which was part of the HQ-2J SAM system, was used in combination with solid-propellant missiles. However, the characteristics of this air defense system turned out to be lower than planned, and there were no orders for it from the Chinese military.


Mobile launcher SAM NQ-12


Only later, 30 years after the start of development in the Chinese anti-missile forces received the first air defense systems HQ-12 (KS-1A). The main difference was the new multifunctional radar with AFAR H-200 and missiles with semi-active radar seeker. The HQ-12 anti-aircraft missile division includes a missile detection and guidance radar, six mobile launchers, which in total have 12 ready-to-use missiles and 6 transport-charging vehicles with 24 missiles.



According to information provided at international aerospace showrooms, an anti-aircraft missile with a mass of 900 kg is capable of hitting air targets at a distance of 7-45 km. The maximum target speed is 750 m / s, the overload is 5 g. To date, the HQ-12 air defense system is largely obsolete. However, its mass production and deployment continues. The air defense forces of the People's Republic of China have at least 20 air defense divisions HQ-12.



After the normalization of relations between our countries, Beijing expressed interest in acquiring modern air defense systems. In 1993, the PRC received four S-300PMU anti-aircraft missile systems. The cost of the contract concluded at the end of 1991 of the year was $ 220 million. Before the start of deliveries, several dozen Chinese specialists were trained in Russia. As part of the C-XNUMPPMU missiles delivered to the People's Republic of China, there were 300 hook-on 32P5T launchers with a KrAZ-85В tractor. On each towed installation there was a 265 transport-launch container with 4ВХNUMXР missiles. The S-5PMU ZRS is capable of firing 55 air targets simultaneously at a distance of up to 300 km, with two missiles aimed at each target.


The S-XNUMPPMU ZRS perform training and control firing at the “Site No. 300” missile range in Gansu Province

In total, within the framework of the contact, 256 anti-aircraft missiles were sent to the PRC - that is, for each launcher there was a main and additional ammunition. In 1994, 120 additional missiles were delivered from Russia for training and firing practice.

The C-300PMU anti-aircraft missile system was an export version of the C-300PS with towed launchers. In terms of the firing range and the number of simultaneously fired targets, the C-300PMU SAM systems were an order of magnitude superior to the Chinese HQ-2J SAM system. An important factor was the fact that solid propellant XURN XXUMXX5P did not require maintenance for 55 years. Test firing at the site "Site number 10" in the desert region of Gansu Province in the north-west of China made a big impression on the Chinese military leadership, after which it was decided to conclude a new contract for the purchase of C-72P. In 300, the next Russian-Chinese agreement was signed for the purchase of 1994 divisions of upgraded C-XNUMPPMU-8 (export version of C-300PM) worth $ 1 million. The 300 launchers 400P32SE / Zn and XNNXXNEX and XML and 5 85MS and 196 48E / Zn and 6 150 million and XNUMX million XNUMX million were signed under the contract. Advanced missiles have a range of up to XNUMX km. Half of the contract was paid for by barter deals for the purchase of Chinese consumer goods.


Test and training firing ZRS C-XNUMPPMU-300, conducted by 1 in August 22 during exercises at the landfill in Gansu Province

In the 2003 year, China expressed its intention to acquire the improved C-300PMU-2 (export version of the C-300PM2). The order included 64 PU 5P85EX2 / DE2 and 256 ZUR 48H6X2. First divisions delivered to customer in 2007 year. The improved anti-aircraft system is capable of simultaneously firing 6 air targets at a distance of up to 200 km and an altitude of up to 27 km. With the adoption of the C-300PMU-2, the PLA anti-aircraft defense system for the first time received limited interception capabilities of operational-tactical ballistic missiles at a distance of up to 40 km.

According to the data published in open sources, the People's Republic of China has delivered: 4 srdn C-300PMU, 8 srdn C-300PMU1 and 12 srdn C-300PMU2. In addition, each divisional kit includes 6 launchers. The result is that China acquired the 24 of the C-300PMU / PMU-1 / PMU-2 division with 144 launchers. Given the fact that the assigned C-XNUMPPMU resource is 300 years, the first "300" set in the People's Republic of China are at the end of their life cycle. In addition, the production of 25B5 (B-55) missiles was completed more than 500 years ago, and the warranty period of storage in an air-tight TLC is 15 years. Based on this, it can be assumed that the first 10 of the C-4PMU division, delivered in the 300 year, will soon be removed from combat duty.

Almost immediately after the C-300PMU appeared at the disposal of the PLA air defense forces, work began in the People's Republic of China to create an air defense system of the same class. However, one should not think that long-range anti-aircraft missile systems with solid-propellant missiles for Chinese specialists were an absolutely unknown topic. By the end of 80-x in China, there were developments on the effective formulations of solid rocket fuel, and cooperation with Western companies allowed to advance electronics. A significant contribution was made by Chinese intelligence, in the West it is considered that when creating the HQ-9 air defense control system, a lot was borrowed from the MIM-104 Patriot long-range air defense complex. So the American experts write about the similarity of the multifunctional Chinese radar HT-233 with AN / MPQ-53, which is part of the Patriot air defense system. At the same time, there is no doubt that the designers of China Academy of Defense Technology spied on a number of technical solutions in the Soviet C-300P system. In the first modification of the HQ-9 ZRS, command-guided missiles with radar sighting through a rocket were used. Correction commands are transmitted aboard the rocket via a two-way radio channel by radar illumination and guidance. The same scheme was applied in the set in the PRC together with the C-300PMU ZUR 5В55Р.


HQ-9 anti-aircraft missile launch


Just as in the C-300P, in the Chinese HQ-9 SAM, a vertical start is used without first turning the launcher towards the target. In terms of the composition and principle of operation of the ZRS, the HQ-9 is also similar to С-300П. In addition to the multifunctional tracking and guidance radar, a mobile command post, the division includes a low-altitude detector Type 120 and a search radar Type 305В, created on the basis of the YLC-2 standby radar. The HQ-9 launcher is made on the Taian TA-5380 four-axle chassis and resembles the Russian C-300PS visually. In total, in the anti-aircraft missile battalion there can be up to nine self-propelled launchers, but usually there are six of them. Thus, ready to use ammunition 24 missiles. The HT-233 fire control radar is capable of simultaneously tracking up to 100 targets and firing 6 of them, directing missiles at each 2.


Multifunctional radar HT-233 and SPU anti-aircraft missile system HQ-9


The creation of the HQ-9 SAMs was accelerated, and the first pre-production model was demonstrated in 1997. The characteristics of the first HQ-9 of the first modification are not known reliably; apparently, originally the Chinese air defense systems did not exceed the range of C-300PMU-1 / ПМУ-2 purchased in Russia. According to advertising data, voiced during aerospace showrooms and weapons exhibitions, the FD-2000 export version uses an anti-aircraft missile weighing kg 1300 with a warhead weight 180 kg. The maximum speed of the rocket is 4,2 M. Firing range: 6-120 km (for the modification of HQ-9А - up to 200 km). Interception height: 500-25000 m. According to the developer, the system is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles in a radius from 7 to 25 km. The deployment time from the march is about 6 minutes, the reaction time is 12-15 seconds.


FD-2000 anti-aircraft missile


At present, the improvement of the HQ-9 SRS is actively continuing. In addition to the upgraded anti-aircraft system HQ-9A, which was put into service in 2001 year and is being built in series, we know about the tests of HQ-9В - with enhanced anti-missile properties, which allows you to intercept ballistic missiles with a range up to 500 km. This anti-aircraft system, tested in the 2006 year, used infrared-guided missiles on the final trajectory. Model HQ-9С uses extended range missile defense systems with active radar homing head. Also in the ammunition introduced a missile with a passive radar GOS, effective against EW and DRLO aircraft. Chinese representatives said that, thanks to the use of high-speed processors, the speed of data processing and issuing guidance commands on modern versions increased several times compared to the first HQ-9 model.

The HQ-19 system with heavy interceptor missiles is designed to combat medium-range tactical and ballistic missiles, as well as low-orbit satellites. In China, this system is called an analogue of the Russian C-500. To hit targets, a kinetic tungsten warhead designed for a direct hit is supposed to be used. The adjustment of the course at the end section is carried out with the help of miniature disposable jet engines, of which there are more than a hundred in the warhead. According to US data, the adoption of HQ-19 can occur 2021 year, after which the Chinese armed forces will have a missile defense system capable of fighting ballistic missiles with a launch range of up to 3000 km.

In the past, the People's Republic of China claimed that during the firing range, the Chinese HQ-9С / В had demonstrated capabilities that were not inferior to the Russian C-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile system. According to information released in the United States, obtained by means of radio engineering and satellite intelligence, in 2018, 16 of the HQ-9 air defense missile systems were deployed in the PLA air defense system.



In this case, the breakdown by modification is not provided. Western experts believe that the anti-aircraft systems built after the 2007 year are currently being exploited. The People's Republic of China declares that, thanks to the progress made in the creation of new materials and alloys, the development of compact high-speed electronics and solid rocket fuel with high energy characteristics, it was possible to create a third-generation anti-aircraft missile system during the creation of HQ-9, bypassing the second generation.

In 2011, the official source of the People’s Liberation Army of China recognized the existence of the HQ-16 air defense system. In the western reference media, it is said that during the creation of the HQ-16 air defense system the latest Russian developments in Buk air defense systems were used. The serial modification, in which, following the results of military tests, the identified deficiencies were eliminated, is known as HQ-16А.


Self-propelled launcher and model of anti-aircraft missile used in the composition of the air defense system HQ-16A

Externally, the missile used as part of the HQ-16, strongly resembles the Soviet air defense system 9М38М1, and also has a semi-active radar guidance system, but the Chinese complex has a vertical missile launch and is more suitable for sustaining long-term combat duty in a stationary position.


HQ-16A anti-aircraft missile launch


The main purpose of the HQ-16A air defense system is to combat tactical and deck-based aircraft, special attention was also paid to the possibility of hitting low-altitude air targets with a minimum EPR. According to Global Security, the first version of the HQ-16 had a firing range of up to 40 km. The rocket with a mass of 615 kg and a length of 5,2 m accelerates to 1200 m / s. The HQ-16А SAM can intercept an air target flying from 15 m to 18 km. The probability of hitting one missile defense for cruise missiles flying at an altitude of 50 meters at a speed of 300 m / s is 0,6, for a target of the type MiG-21 at the same speed and altitude 3-7 km - the probability of hitting 0,85. In an improved modification of the HQ-16В, the maximum launch range for subsonic targets flying in the altitude range 7-12 km is extended to 70 km. According to the official version, this anti-aircraft missile system should occupy an intermediate position between the HQ-12 and HQ-9.


Air Target Detection Station ZRK HQ-16A


The structure of the battery SAMs HQ-16A includes 4 launchers and a station for illumination and missile guidance. The actions of anti-aircraft batteries are guided from the divisional command post, where the information from the three-coordinate radar of the circular review is received. A total of three fire batteries in the division.



All elements of the HQ-16А SAM system are located on the Taian TA5350 off-road three-axle chassis. HQ-16А Division on hard-surface roads can move at a speed of 85 km / h, power reserve 1000 km. It is able to cross vertical obstacles up to 0,5 m in height, trenches up to 0,6 m and force a ford without depth to 1,2 m. On each SPU there are 6 ready-to-use anti-aircraft missiles. Thus, the total ammunition of the anti-aircraft division is 72 SAM. As of 2017 year, the PLA Air Defense Forces had at least 4 srn HQ-16A.

Three-axis circular radar with a PARA is able to see the target type "fighter" at a distance of 140 km and an altitude of 20 km. Radar capabilities allow you to detect up to 144 and track up to 48 targets simultaneously. The HQ-16А ADMS guidance station is capable of tracking targets at a distance of up to 80 km, simultaneously accompanying 6 targets and firing 4 of them, directing two missiles at each.

It is reported that China has successfully passed the tests of the HQ-16В anti-aircraft system with an increased launch range. Also in 2016, information about the HQ-26 complex appeared, in which, due to the increase in the rocket diameter, its acceleration characteristics were increased, and the range of damage according to unconfirmed data is 120 km. At the same time, the anti-missile capabilities of the complex have been significantly expanded. If the Chinese specialists really succeeded in creating an air defense missile system with the declared characteristics, then by its combat capabilities it can be close to the latest Russian air defense system C-350 "Vityaz".

To be continued ...

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http://english.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-08/31/content_9268695.htm
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  1. +4
    17 February 2019 06: 59
    That's right, Sergey. In special economic zones, foreigners, using the cheap labor of the Chinese, began the creation of new industries, including electronic components. And a little later, they began full-fledged production, cooperating in the development of new products with foreign companies. Thanks, read with interest.
    In the framework of economic reform and a policy of openness to the world, from 1980 to 1984. China has created special economic zones (SEZs) in Shantou, Shenzhen and Zhuhai in the province of Guangdong, in Xiamen in the province of Fujian. Also, the entire island province of Hainan is designated as a special economic zone.
  2. +10
    17 February 2019 09: 23
    At present, China has caught up with Russia in the number of medium-range and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems deployed. At the same time, the process of replacing outdated air defense systems with liquid missiles with new anti-aircraft systems with solid-propellant missiles is very active.

    Among our "patriots" it is generally accepted that China is still far behind us in terms of the number of combat aircraft and air defense systems. But this is, to put it mildly, not entirely true. With the current pace of development and impressive investments in science, high-tech industries and education, China, if we don’t catch ourselves, will inevitably overtake us.
    1. +5
      17 February 2019 16: 00
      You Olechka, look at other branches, patriots in all their glory, flutter the womb on all fronts and directions, I have a malicious Zionist-occupier, an outlet for all their troubles. Good day to you, Olya and Sergey, and most importantly health.
    2. +6
      17 February 2019 16: 06
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      Among our "patriots" it is generally accepted that China is still far behind us in terms of the number of combat aircraft and air defense systems. But this is, to put it mildly, not entirely true. With the current pace of development and impressive investments in science, high-tech industries and education, China, if we don’t catch ourselves, will inevitably overtake us.

      Hello, hello! love Compared with 1990, in the 800s on the other side of the Amur, you can see what a breakthrough the Chinese made. Unfortunately, I did not have photos of the village of Sakhalyan, then the city of Heihe. but I can say it day and night. And here I am with you that China can overtake us very quickly. The most striking thing is that no matter how strained the political relations between the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the PRC, economic, scientific relations, joint production of the PRC and the KR enter the markets of new technologies that are closed to the PRC.
    3. +2
      17 February 2019 20: 53
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      With the current pace of development and impressive investment in science, China's high-tech manufacturing and education sectors, if we do not catch ourselves inevitably overtake us.

      I would say already overtaken. The average salary in China today is twice as high as ours, as a result there is no absolute brain drain like ours. It is no secret that we practically do not have our own semiconductor production facilities, the new military equipment consists entirely of Chinese microcircuits. In general, five to ten years ago it was necessary to catch on ..
  3. +5
    17 February 2019 11: 13
    1.
    HQ-16A anti-aircraft missile launch


    here the photographer is clearly either:
    - I took the excess and lost the horizon
    - removed the same from the inclined surface, or the angle of such
    so do not.
    will warp
    Taian TA5350 6x6. TEL must be horizontal


    2.This is 16V already
    In February 2017, the air defense brigade of the Western Theater Army launched a new surface-to-air missile defense system Red Flag 16В (Hong Qi 16B) at an altitude of 4300 m.

    In 2011, the official source of the People's Liberation Army of China recognized the existence of the HQ-16 air defense system. Western reference publications say that during the creation of the HQ-16 air defense system, the latest Russian developments on the Buk family air defense systems were used

    may the “Smooth-1” and 9М317МЭ (but she certainly was born from 9М317)
    Marine option has 32 cells for SAM, control of 4 radars MR090. Land option - 4 missiles per SPU. 6 on HQ-16A
    they are like twins, and the years of adoption are the same, with an accuracy of +/-
    1. +7
      17 February 2019 11: 55
      Quote: Aibolit
      here the photographer is clearly either:
      - I took the excess and lost the horizon
      - removed the same from the inclined surface, or the angle of such
      so do not.
      will warp
      Taian TA5350 6x6.

      Anton, here I certainly agree. But the picture was taken by a regular PLA photographer.
      Quote: Aibolit
      may the “Smooth-1” and 9М317МЭ (but she certainly was born from 9М317)

      The description of sea complexes is beyond the scope of this publication, but the roots of these air defense systems are of course common. Yes
      1. 0
        17 February 2019 22: 52
        Quote: Bongo
        Anton, here I certainly agree. But the picture was taken by a regular PLA photographer.

        1. Hmmm. Well, I'm not "Anton", by the way, and not "Ivan Arnoldych", but not the essence, call it what you want
        2. THIS IS NOT A PICTURE OF A NORMAL PLA photographer!, This is from Twitter.
        However, the "regular" is the same, the label is different, only
        3. Considering: the fact that the "muzzles" are turned on the photographer, I think there is a slope of 7-10g
        4.
        well, definitely not "our"
        what is allowed by marine ZRS- is not welcomed by land.
        I think = photo editing, or the photographer drank sake.
        but there was a launch from 4300m. "I give a grudge, but not mine, but the editor-in-chief of TopVar"

        Quote: Bongo
        Description of marine complexes is beyond the scope of this publication,

        clear business.
        Here I am, for what:
        Quote: Author
        The HQ-16 air defense systems used the latest Russian developments in the Buk family air defense systems

        just "like that" Zur from the Buk air defense missile system is not transferred to the vertical.
        A SAM, it is 9M317ME- easy to lay down, even "skis" are not needed
  4. +2
    17 February 2019 15: 54
    Good day, Sergey, finally made their masterpiece, and then there is nothing to read. Thank you.
    1. +4
      17 February 2019 16: 03
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Good day, Sergey, finally made their masterpiece, and then there is nothing to read. Thank you.

      Andrey, good evening (it's already night for me). Thank you for the kind words, but of course you are bent about the "masterpiece". And I haven't "created" yet, there must be two more parts. hi
      1. +1
        17 February 2019 17: 06
        My friend, you’re modesty yourself. Due to the continuation of the cycles, I can do it with all my hands and feet, and I can do more. And I also console myself with the hope that you will do the work on marine air defense systems. Thank you very much.
      2. +3
        17 February 2019 23: 30
        Quote: Bongo
        there should be two more parts.

        fellow
  5. +3
    17 February 2019 19: 44
    Quote: Bongo
    ... there should be two more parts. hi

    Hurray!
    hi
  6. +3
    17 February 2019 20: 56
    The cycle is very interesting. We look forward to continuing.
  7. -6
    17 February 2019 21: 28
    All Chinese zrs are pale copies of Soviet
    1. +5
      17 February 2019 23: 12
      Quote: bmv04636
      All Chinese zrs are pale copies of Soviet

      advice. You look at the quality of the surfaces of the aircraft of China and ours (even the Su-57).
      "stuffing" (electronic)
      for someone who quietly buys the stuffing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (for us)
      on the parameters Iud / energy efficiency of missiles (and missiles in general) of China and our
      their mixer for solid propellant
      and indeed: drive a car along the MAPP Zabaykalsk-Manchuria route.
      FUCK
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      But this is to say the least, not quite so. With the pace of development and impressive investment in science,

      HQ-29 (analog of MIM-104F), HQ-26 (analog of SAM-3 missiles) and HQ-19 (analog of THAAD)
      and at sea including


      The size of the missiles, in scaling to the main mast of the Type 909, is estimated to be 8,4-9 meters with a diameter of 420 to 710 mm.


      Chinese military standard GJB-5860-2006, which reflects the characteristics that must be unified by the VLS (UPC) system: three launch modules of different lengths: 9 meters, 7 meters and 3,3 meters.
      It can be seen that this is a 2-stage with a detachable lesion unit.
      RIM-161C (SM-3 Block IB) minimum.
      on the ship


      And here we have a BADAK: missiles one UPK, RCC -other

      1. -2
        17 February 2019 23: 26
        Quote: Aibolit
        To the council. You look at the quality of the surfaces of the aircraft of China and ours (even Su-57).
        Yeah, how they laughed at the trim of the skin of our experienced Su-35, but that did not stop them from buying these serial aircraft and recognizing it as the best that they have in the Air Force. Yes, and something I did not hear complaints about the serial Su-35 trim trim.
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          1. +1
            18 February 2019 13: 38
            Quote: Aibolit
            draw conclusions yourself

            Yes, I made them a long time ago ... they refueled here with us, your photos are not entirely correct, here on this it is more real ... enlarge, enjoy the "roughness" of the skin
            1. +2
              18 February 2019 22: 52
              Quote: svp67
              Yes, I made them a long time ago.

              So show
              Quote: svp67
              increase enjoy

              This is not your photo.
              And this wallpaper is already for the table. Retouch

              Quote: svp67
              roughness of the skin

              The quality of the cladding and the "roughness" have nothing in common.
              I talked about something else
        2. -3
          18 February 2019 04: 45
          some laugh others say the best. Chinese blogs are not the best where you can draw info. Chinese they are
          1. +3
            18 February 2019 04: 57
            Quote: bmv04636
            some laugh others say the best. Chinese blogs are not the best where you can draw info. Chinese they are

            A person is judged by his deeds, and a state is judged by the level and pace of development of the economy, science, and the welfare of citizens. Talking and clawing, trying to prove that
            Quote: bmv04636
            Chinese they are
            You can endlessly. But what will change?
            Quote: bmv04636
            All Chinese zrs are pale copies of Soviet

            Straight the same "all" and "pale"? Could it be that Russian components are used in Chinese anti-aircraft systems and in electronic units of Chinese fighters? China is now in a position to independently create the entire line of world-class anti-aircraft weapons.
            And you forgive me, they are very poorly grounded in technical terms, and the ideology mixed with "urya-patriotism" replaces common sense. negative
            1. -5
              18 February 2019 05: 12
              Who buys from whom ZRS a. Chinese electronics speak. Some senators tried to fight this, including John McCain - but "with such deltas, any capitalist and official lose their will." Since the publication of the Levin-McCain report in the Senate in 2011, the situation has not improved much. According to Pentagon estimates for 2017, at least 15% of the spare parts of all American military equipment are counterfeit.
              How do you all like to immediately stigmatize "urya-patriotism" Not seeing the obvious facts. The fact is the first who buys from whom. Fact of the second performance characteristics of products.
              1. +4
                18 February 2019 05: 25
                Quote: bmv04636
                Who is buying a ZRS from anyone?

                And for what, did not try to think? And let's compare the volume of purchases in the past and now?
                Quote: bmv04636
                Some senators tried to fight this, including John McCain.

                What does the dead McCain have to do with the Chinese air defense system and the Chinese electronics in the Russian defense technology? Let's not distort. I don’t care about counterfeit in the United States, the state of affairs in my country worries me much more.
                Quote: bmv04636
                Not seeing the obvious facts.

                Maybe write an article on this topic, and posramite me? wink
                1. -3
                  18 February 2019 21: 34
                  to try to lick and make a pale copy. The trouble with the PLA (China) is that they took a wait and see attitude. Like that monkey who sits by the river and waits for her opponents to swim along it. It would not have happened that it would sooner fall into this river and swim in front of it.
                  1. +1
                    19 February 2019 01: 26
                    Quote: bmv04636
                    to try to lick and make a pale copy.

                    There is nothing wrong when developers save time and money by looking for good solutions on the side. Another question is how "stupid people" you need to be in order to sell the latest technology to a potential enemy, knowing that he will study it in detail and copy it. As for "faint copies" fool , can we compare the characteristics of our and Chinese missiles in service? I absolutely agree with Sergey:
                    Quote: Bongo
                    And you forgive me, they are very poorly grounded in technical terms, and the ideology mixed with "urya-patriotism" replaces common sense.
              2. +2
                18 February 2019 23: 26
                Quote: bmv04636

                Who buys from whom ZRS a.

                in what quantity?
                What can be done with this purchase in order to protect China?
                Quote: bmv04636
                The Pentagon in 2017, at least 15% of the spare parts of all American military equipment - counterfeit.

                Well, why manipulate?
                It's written
                The military estimates that up to 15 percent of all spare and replacement parts for their weapons, vehicles and other equipment are counterfeit, making them vulnerable to dangerous malfunctions.

                1.up to 15%
                2. And to be precise, this situation was until 2012-2015
                https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Counterfeit-Electronic-Parts.pdf
                3.SHIELD solved the problem. is not it?
                4. The fact that Chinese counterfeit goes to the US Army, all the more so in such responsible areas as missile defense, F-22, the Navy says what?
                ABOUT HIGH CULTURE OF PRODUCTION IN CHINA.
                In this case, contractors / subcontractors are cheating and profiting.
                American industry Leko can produce (and produces) both the class millitary and space.
                Toko is 10-15 times more expensive than a civilian one (a counterpart completely identical in functionality, but not able to work in extreme sports)
                RAD750 - cost 200 thousand $
                and 750CXe Power from 10 units, prices for companies interested in using it, 000 US dollars for the 57 MHz model,
                US $ 93,75 for 500 MHz
                and $ 143,75 for 600 MHz.
                $ 200 - $ 000 = pocket difference (- 144% overhead)
                Все.
                WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION
                We are forced to act like this:
                https://federalcrimesblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/indictment.pdf
                (and since 2015 it has become quite difficult)
                either buy a Made in Taiwan citizen, and then: GLONAS does not work, the MS-21 cannot fly up, etc.
                Quote: bmv04636
                The fact of the second product characteristics.

                products (which were sold to China) have never completed a combat mission.
                And tth ....
                large-scale exercises of the Air Force in 1955, as a result of which the commander of the Air Defense Ministry Marshal
                K. Vershinin pompously reported to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the KPS that at night 96% of the targets were "intercepted" by the valiant Soviet pilots on distant approaches to the protected objects
                Yeah
                1. -1
                  19 February 2019 05: 27
                  and where the Chinese missiles performed combat missions, the Bukee shells may Torah carry out combat missions. Patriots are not very good we have seen about the Chinese zrk not heard except one when the Israelis seem to have destroyed the rodar
                  1. +2
                    19 February 2019 11: 01
                    Quote: bmv04636
                    and where did the Chinese missiles perform combat missions,

                    but I am more concerned about ours.
                    tea does not supply the PRC until the SAM to us.
                    HQ-2 was shot down by one MiG-21 fighter, which in October 1987 accidentally invaded the airspace of China
                    wink
                    1. -2
                      19 February 2019 18: 13
                      Let's not remember junk a. It seems like an article about the 21st century, and you remember all 20
                  2. +1
                    19 February 2019 12: 54
                    Quote: bmv04636
                    and where Chinese zrk performed combat missions

                    If you do not know, does not mean that this was not. Chinese HQ-2 SAMs fought in the Iran-Iraq war. And Chinese MANPADS are generally many where noted.
                    Quote: bmv04636
                    Patriots are not very we saw
                    Have you seen personally where it is interesting and what modification?
                    1. -2
                      19 February 2019 18: 12
                      Once again, you jump off the topic of mankind know fighting in Africa, Syria, Afghanistan. Where is the use of air defense systems at present? Ask about the patriot and the Suadit how they dishonored the patriots
                      "According to him, in total, the Saudi air defense forces fired five MIM-104C missiles from the Patriot PAC-2 missile defense system against the Houthi Burkan 2-H ballistic missile. None of the interceptors was able to intercept the Houthi warhead, but the ballistic missile did not reach its target." VO there are topics on this
                      1. 0
                        20 February 2019 01: 09
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        You are again jumping off the topic of the Pzrk know war in Africa, Syria, Afghanistan.

                        A portable anti-aircraft missile system - this is not a non-aircraft missile system?
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        According to him, all Saudi air defense forces fired five MIM-104C missiles from the Patriot PAC-2 missile defense system using a Hussite ballistic missile

                        Did you try to turn on the brain and compare the Patriot PAC-2 with C-300PS? This is the same age.
                      2. -2
                        20 February 2019 20: 19
                        The Saudis there completely lost their patriots. And so the Chinese fellows so fast at the pace of star-striped kicking for the shaft, so that those in the Asia-Pacific region would not shine.
                      3. +1
                        21 February 2019 01: 29
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        The Saudis are there to complete it with their patriots.

                        It would be strange if anti-aircraft a modification of the Patriot PAC-2 of which 30 has been highly effective against ballistic missiles for years. In general, the US air defense system in the course of real action proved to be not bad. On his account, unlike the C-300 there are real downed combat aircraft.
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        so the Chinese are doing well at the pace of star-kicking kicking the backboard so that those in the Asia-Pacific region would not shine.

                        stop What urkogansky vocabulary? negative
  8. 0
    18 February 2019 21: 15
    Only 30 years after the start of development in the Chinese anti-aircraft missile troops received the first air defense systems NQ-12 (KS-1A). The main difference was the new multifunctional radar with AFAR N-200 and missiles with semi-active radar seeker.


    HQ-12 - improved C-75 with SJ-202 radar.
    HQ-22 - the missile was taken from the HQ-12 with the new PARLGSN and the radar was removed from the Patriot, range 170 km, altitude 27 km. It is not at all obsolete and is still in production today.
    1. +1
      19 February 2019 01: 30
      Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
      HQ-12 - improved C-75 with SJ-202 radar.

      You are mistaken. No. The SJ-202 guidance station was used in the early version of the KS-1. In the adopted HQ-12 (KS-1A), used multi-function radar H-200. And this complex has nothing in common with C-75.
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 11: 30
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        And this complex has nothing to do with the S-75.

        but it seems to me PU (head off), the Chinese took from

        which of course from

        Well, she is from SM-90
        ==============
        grinder, file, welding + beam for 2 missiles
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 12: 51
          Quote: Aibolit
          but it seems to me PU (head off), the Chinese took from

          You exaggerate that the HQ-12 radio command guidance method does not mean that there is a tube "head" inherited from the HQ-2. I came across sources in which it was stated that the HQ-12 SAM is generally semi-active guidance. But taking into account the fact that in the modernized HQ-2J air defense systems, the multifunctional radar (guidance station) H-200 is also used, I tend to the radio command one.
          1. 0
            19 February 2019 13: 08
            Quote: Bongo
            You exaggerate, then, that in the HQ-12 radio command guidance method

            I'm just talking about PU (box, mechanics, hydraulics, power) - which is reasonable, it allows you to save and not bother).
            2300kg Zur from C-75 = 2 * 886 kg (+/-) Zur from HQ-12A (KS-1A) / HQ-12C (КС-1С)

            About the guidance method, I didn’t say anything, but he

            SPECIFICATIONS
            specification

            Missile length: 5.6m
            Missile diameter: 0.4m
            Missile wingspan: 1.2m
            Launch weight: 900kg
            Propulsion: Solid rocket booster
            Operating altitude: 0.5 ~ 25Km
            Operating range: 7 ~ 42km, or (KS-1A) 5 ~ 50km
            Maximum speed: 1,200m / s
            Missile manoeuvrability: 20G
            Guidance: Radar command
            Warhead: 100kg HE fragmentation, with radio frequency proximity fuse
            Single shot hit probability: N / A
            Max target manoeuvring capability: 4 ~ 5G

            导弹 长度 : 5.6 米
            导弹 直径 : 0.4 米
            导弹 翼 幅 : 1.2 米
            发射 重量 : 900 公斤
            推进 : 固体 火箭 推进 器
            操作 高度 : 0.5 ~ 25 公里
            操作 距离 : 7 ~ 42 公里 , 或 (KS-1A) 5 ~ 50 公里
            最大 速度 : 1,200 米 / 秒
            导弹 机动性 : 20G
            引导 : 雷达 指令
            弹头 : 100 公斤 高 爆破 片 弹头 , 采用 射频 近 炸 引信
            单 发 攻击 概率 : N / A
            最大 目标 机动 能力 : 4 ~ 5 G
            1. 0
              19 February 2019 13: 37
              Quote: Aibolit
              I'm just talking about PU (box, mechanics, hydraulics, power) - which is reasonable, it allows you to save and not bother).
              2300kg Zur from C-75 = 2 * 886 kg (+/-) Zur from HQ-12A (KS-1A) / HQ-12C (КС-1С)

              What do you mean? And there are such serial options for launchers from HQ-2?
              1. 0
                19 February 2019 13: 48
                Quote: Bongo
                What do you mean? And there are such serial options for launchers from HQ-2?

                I do not really understand the idea.
                1. What are "such"?
                2.What does "serial" mean
                3. What does the HQ-2 have to do with it?
                by me, at the post of lady it was said that
                Quote: Aibolit
                а it seems to me PU (head) the Chinese took from

                for his 12th
                EVERYTHING.
                The rest is innuendo, "lopatovism" I would say
                the mass of missiles from 75 complex is given for comparison with the mass from 12th, which allows the Chinese clone SM-90 quite easily and cheaply
                Quote: Aibolit
                grinder, file, welding + beam for 2 missiles

                set your head to 12.
                More than nothing I am not 2 yes you that ".
                neither about the "lamps" nor about the guidance system
                1. 0
                  19 February 2019 13: 53
                  Quote: Aibolit
                  I do not really understand the idea.


                  I mean it
                  Quote: Aibolit
                  I'm just talking about pu (box, mechanics, hydraulics, power supply) - which is reasonable, allows you to save and not bother)

                  And about that.
                  All built HQ-12 only on the mobile chassis, how does this relate to the CM-90?
                  What is constructively common in HQ-2 and HQ-12? what request
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2019 14: 08
                    Quote: Bongo
                    I mean it

                    The basic variant of the KS-1 was launched from a fixed four-leg pedestal launcher developed from the HQ-2 launcher... Each launcher has two ready-to-fire missiles mounted on slant launch-rails. The improved KS-1A is launched from a mobile launcher mounted on a 6X6 truck, each carrying two missiles.
                    KS-1 的 基本 型 发射 装置 采用 从 HQ-2 发展 的 一个 固定 四 支架 发射 装置。每个 发射 装置 有 二枚 被 安装 在 倾斜 发射 - 导轨 上 的 就绪 - 到 - 发射 导弹。 改进 的 S KS-1A 型 从 一辆 6X6 卡车 上 安装 的 移动 发射 装置 上 发射 , 每个 的 的 二枚 导弹。

                    Quote: Bongo
                    What is structurally common in HQ-2 and HQ-12

                    1. above
                    2.can people who claim that the second-level glider be taken as the basis be right?
                    Use the finished housing, refuse only the rocket engine, using a turbojet engine.
                    This is a good idea.

                    The KaiShan-1 (KS-1) is a medium-to-long-range, all-altitude surface-to-air missile system developed by China Academy of Defense Technology (CADT). Devolved from the second- (upper-) stage of the HQ-2 SAM, the missile is highlighted by its SJ-212 3D phased-array radar. The development of the KS-1 was completed in 1994 but it did not enter service with the PLA due to unsatisfactory performance. An improved variant KS-1A was promoted to the export market and Malaysia may become the first user of the missile.
                    “凯 山” (KaiShan) -1 (KS-1) 是 一种 中 - 远程 、 全 - 高度 地对空导弹 系统 , 由 中国 防卫 技术 研究院 (CADT) 开发。从 两级 - (上部 -) HQ-2 防空 导弹 (SAM)发展,导弹系统最重要部分是它的SJ-212 3D相控阵雷达。KS-1的发展在1994年完成,但由于令人不满意的性能没有进入PLA服役。一种改进的KS-1A型被推销到出口市场,而且马来西亚可能成为导弹的第一个用户。

                    painfully they look alike

                    1. 0
                      19 February 2019 14: 11
                      Quote: Aibolit
                      Pedestal launcher developed from a HQ-1 launcher. Each launcher has two ready-to-fire missiles mounted on slant launch-rails. The XS-2A XS-1A is launched from the 6X6 truck, each carrying two missiles.

                      The first version of the KS-1 was also self-propelled. It seems to me that towed PUs remained only in the project.
                      Quote: Aibolit
                      maybe people are right who claim that the glider of the 2 stage is taken as a basis?

                      And what is the diameter of this "glider"? Frankly speaking, I do not see much similarity. No.
                      In any case, constructively these are completely different products.
                      1. 0
                        19 February 2019 16: 27
                        Quote: Bongo
                        And what is the diameter of this "glider"?

                        there would have to figure out what served as the basis for the Chinese: 750,755,760?
                        I'm not special on the 75th.
                        755 * (20Д *) diameter and so on:

                        I do not know how different 5J23
                        760 (5V29) wink and 75 * (13D *) have no idea


                        and about zur for 12 I wrote
                        Quote: Aibolit
                        Missile length: 5.6m
                        Missile diameter: 0.4m
                        Missile wingspan: 1.2m
                        Launch weight: 900kg
                      2. +1
                        19 February 2019 16: 57
                        Quote: Aibolit
                        and about zur for 12 I wrote

                        So and I about the same. Diameter is different.
                        Quote: Aibolit
                        there would have to figure out what served as the basis for the Chinese: 750,755,760?

                        I wrote about this not so long ago, in a review of foreign copies of C-75.
                        Quote: Aibolit
                        I'm not 75 Special

                        C-200 you know better?
                      3. +1
                        20 February 2019 15: 27
                        Quote: Bongo
                        So and I about the same. Diameter is different.

                        not a fact (maybe Chinese data is "so-so")
                        and even "if" then, in my opinion, there is a scaling (length * diameter) Iud at the Chinese change, the thrust is the same.
                        The burning area must be compensated
                        Quote: Bongo
                        C-200 you know better?

                        no. I only understand the S-700.