Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 6)

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In this part of the review, we will consider the numerical and qualitative components of the PLA Air Force fighter fleet, the possibilities for winning air supremacy and the long-range interception of strategic bomber carriers of cruise missiles. We will also talk about the ground airfield structure and organization of control over the actions of interceptor fighters and combat training.

According to data published in open sources, the PLA Air Force has more than 3000 aircraft, of which approximately 2100 are combat aircraft. In total, more than 1100 fighters can be used to perform air defense missions and gain air supremacy. Of greatest value in this regard are J-11A, J-11B / BS and J-11D - of which there are a total of about 300 units. Chinese sources say that the Su-27SK and Su-27UBK delivered from Russia in 2018 were finally withdrawn from combat units in connection with the development of the resource. Also in the fighter aviation regiments there are 73 multi-functional two-seat fighter Su-30MKK Russian production. Apparently, 24 Su-30MK2 transferred to the sea Aviation, as they are not included in the PLA Air Force as of 2017. The situation with the double J-16 is not clear. Chinese sources say that his main task is to combat naval targets and strike at point-based ground targets. The J-16 aircraft in many respects resembles the Russian Su-30MKK and was allegedly created to replace the front-line bomber JH-7, of which there are more than 70 units in the PLA air force.



Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 6)

Bombing from a fighter-bomber J-16


In total, the company Shenyang Aircraft Corporation built about 100 aircraft J-16. This car, which is a functional analogue of the Russian Su-34, does not have an armored cab, but is also equipped with a multi-function radar, can carry medium-range air-to-air missiles and has a good potential as an interceptor.

In November, the last 2018 of the Su-24SK fighters ordered in Russia were delivered to China 35. Russian fighter generation 4 ++ received high praise from Chinese pilots, but it is unlikely that they are now mastered by the flight and technical staff in full. In addition, the future of these machines is not clear. The number of purchased Su-35SK by Chinese standards is very small, and they can not significantly increase the combat power of the PLA Air Force. Given that several airplanes will probably be dismantled for detailed information, the fighters remaining in the flying state will not be enough even to equip one air regiment.

Until recently, the most numerous fighters in the PLA Air Force were Chinese copies of the MiG-21: J-7D, J-7Е, J-7G and two-seater training JJ-7. According to data provided by the Flightglobal resource, as of 2018 year, there were 360 aircraft in the formation. At the moment, they are actively being replaced by modern light fighters of the J-10 family. According to the same source, in 2017, the fighter regiments operated around 300 aircraft J-10А / В / С. Given the fact that the production capacity of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation is able to build 50 aircraft per year, it can be assumed that the number of J-10 fighter jets is at least equal to the number of existing J-7 fighters.

As for the officially adopted 5 fighter J-20A generation, their number most likely does not exceed two dozen, they are still in trial operation and have no significant impact on the balance of power. The outgoing type in the PLA Air Force, along with the lightweight J-7 fighter, can be considered the J-8II interceptor. In 2018, in the 4, the regiments had 96 fighter modifications: J-8IIDF, J-8IIH, J-8IIF.

Approximately 5 years ago, the PLA Air Force began the formation of separate special-purpose unmanned squadrons, which were directly subordinated to the commanders of military districts. These squadrons are equipped with re-equipped radio-controlled fighter: J-6, J-7 and J-8. Their main purpose is to divert enemy interceptors and anti-aircraft systems, as well as to perform reconnaissance and demonstration flights in order to open the enemy's air defense system. In peacetime, personnel and equipment of unmanned squadrons are involved in organizing the training process of fighter aviation and air defense troops. This contributes to a significant stock of obsolete aircraft. Restoration and re-equipment of decommissioned fighter aircraft is carried out at aircraft factories where these aircraft were built in the past.


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-6 fighters at Xian-Yanliang airbase (factory airfield Xian)

In the past, the PRC had 7 military districts with headquarters in Beijing, Chendu, Guangzhou, Jinan, Lanzhou, Nanjing and Shenyang. As part of the modernization of the armed forces and to improve the management of air and air defense units, 2016 was established in 5 in the PLA Air Force (Theaters of Operations) territorial commands: East (headquarters in Nanjing), South (headquarters in Guangzhou), West (Chendu headquarters) , North (headquarters in Shenyang), Central (headquarters in Beijing). Near Beijing is also the central command post of the PLA Air Force.

Information about the air situation from numerous radar stations flows to the headquarters of territorial commands, and data is exchanged with high-speed lines of communication with command centers of the divisional and regimental fighter aviation and anti-aircraft missile forces. If necessary, the airborne long-range radar detection and control KJ-200 and KJ-500. At the disposal of each territorial command in 2018, there were 3-4 DRLO aircraft.


Satellite image of Google Earth: DRLO KJ-500 airplanes at Lingshui airbase, Hainan Island


There is reason to believe that the main part of the J-8IIDF / H, J-10В / С and J-11А / В / D fighters is equipped with automated guidance equipment from an external source of target designation. On the most modern types of Chinese fighters, a digital information exchange system is installed, which allows broadcasting of the radar image to command posts and other aircraft in real-time mode. Due to this, a single information field is being formed and the effectiveness of the action of the air defense forces is significantly increased. Direct control of the actions of fighters and individual anti-aircraft missile divisions is carried out by VHF and HF radio networks. In the course of combat training of combat aviation regiments armed with J-8II, Su-30MKK, J-11 and J-10 fighters deployed at air bases along the coast, it takes a lot of time to train the interception planes of cruise missiles before they reach launch lines.

In the subordination of the territorial command of the Air Force and Air Defense is the 3-4 aviation divisions, each of which has 2-4 fighter regiments. The number of air regiments in a division depends on the type of fighter. Some commands also have separate fighter brigades equipped with heavy J-11А / В and Cy-30МКК. Usually in the fighter regiment, which is armed with J-8II, J-11А / В / D and Су-30МКК, there are 24 single and double fighters. In order to save the life of combat aircraft to perform export and training flights, outdated fighters are used: J-7 or Sparky JJ-7. In the aircraft regiments, where light single-engine J-10s are operated, usually 36 planes, and in the regiments flying on J-7, there may be more 40 fighters. This is due to the fact that the units armed with the previously obsolete J-7, are actively moving to new types of combat aircraft, and the released fighters, which still have sufficient operational life, are transferred to the regiments armed with these aircraft.


Google Earth satellite image: J-10 and J-11 fighter aircraft at Suixi airbase in Guangdong

Quite often, light and heavy fighters belonging to different aviation regiments and brigades are based on the same aerodrome. It is not uncommon to observe a combination of light J-10 and heavy J-11А / В and Cy-30МКК, or fighter jets with a delta wing J-7 and J-8II. Most likely, thus optimization and division of tasks is carried out. Heavy interceptors must meet the means of air attack on long-distance approaches, and light single-engine fighters to destroy targets that have broken through in the near zone and to defend their own air bases.


Location of air bases and dual-use airfields in the eastern part of the PRC


The aerodrome network of China has more than 400 airfields, including 350 with a hard surface of the runway. The operational capacity of the airfields is 9000 aircraft, which is almost three times the size of the Chinese fleet of combat aircraft. The PLA Air Force has more than 150 air bases at its disposal. By the number of airfields of the People's Republic of China, suitable for the deployment of combat aviation, our country is about 5 times larger. It is common practice when the squadrons of one fighter regiment are simultaneously based on several aerodromes located at a distance of 20-50 km from each other, or are urgently being transferred to alternate aerodromes as part of the development of an exit from attack. Such exercises in each IAP are worked out at least 2 times a year. Approximately 30% of existing aerodromes with a capital runway are in reserve. At the same time, the runway itself and the airfield infrastructure are well maintained in good condition. At the reserve air bases there are part of the security and engineering support necessary for the maintenance of their livelihoods, as well as stocks of fuel and aircraft destruction equipment.


Location of air bases in the territory of the People's Republic of China where there are underground aviation shelters


In the 70-80-ies in the eastern and central regions of China built the airbase, on which the combat aircraft hid in the tunnels, punched in the rocks. Now these shelters with thick steel gates capable of withstanding a close nuclear explosion are partially preserved and used as storage bases for decommissioned backup aircraft, but if necessary, they can take combat regiment airplanes. Even large planes like the H-6 (Chinese replica of a Tu-16 bomber) can fit in some underground shelters.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Entrances to underground shelters at Yinchuan Air Base, Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region

According to American data, during the years of the “cold war” in the People's Republic of China more than 40 aviation underground shelters were built, at least 30 of them are in working condition now. It is reliably known that part of the shelters was reconstructed and adapted for permanent placement, maintenance and repair of the most modern types of fighters available in the PLA Air Force.



Underground shelters, protected by tens of meters of rock and reinforced from within by reinforced concrete, as a rule, have several halls with main and reserve camouflaged entrances. The halls, in turn, are connected by corridors, the width of which allows aircraft to be transported through them. Thus, even if one of the entrances to the shelter survives, the planes can be brought to the surface and used in combat.


Google Earth Satellite Image: Entrances to underground shelters at Zhangjiakou airbase in the vicinity of Zhangjiakou City, Hebei Province

We have to admit that the PLA command takes the issue of ensuring the combat stability of the Air Force and the ability to conduct long-term military operations with technologically powerful opponents that have long-range cruise missiles very seriously.

Attention is drawn to the fact that 2 / 3 active military airfields are located along the Chinese coast, and the fighters based on them protect the largest defense-industrial and administrative centers of the PRC. It is in areas with good climatic conditions for living of the population that more than 70% of Chinese industrial potential is concentrated. It is quite natural that it is here that the main forces of air defense and the most modern aviation technology are located.


Location of air bases in the north-east of China


In the west and northeast of China, the concentration of fighter aircraft is relatively small, but at the same time there are a sufficient number of operating and mothballed airfields to transfer here, if necessary, a significant number of combat aircraft. The operating PLA air base in the north-east of China, where combat aircraft are operated on an ongoing basis, are located no closer than 130 km from the Russian-Chinese border. The Russian-Chinese border is currently viewed by the PRC command as a secondary direction, not posing a threat to national interests.


Google Earth Satellite Image: J-7 63 Fighter Fighter Aviation Regiment at Mudanjiang-Hailang Air Base near Mudanjiang, Heilongjiang Province in 380 km from Vladivostok

The three air regiments deployed in this area are armed with mostly obsolete light J-7 fighters and J-8II interceptors. Only one air regiment deployed at Yanji air base in the vicinity of the city of Longjing in the Yanbian-Korean autonomous region, in 2015, was rearmed from the J-7D to J-10A fighter jets. At the same time, taking into account the number of aerodromes available in the northeast of the People's Republic of China with capital runways, you can very quickly deploy an aviation group that is many times superior to the forces of the Russian FAR in the FEFD. As is known, in the 11 of the Red Banner Army of the Aerospace Forces, in whose area of ​​responsibility is the Russian Far East, there are a little more than a hundred fighters: MiG-31B / BM, Su-27CM, Su-30М2 and Su-35С. And in the number of airfields capable of receiving combat aircraft, in the Far Eastern region we are inferior to the PRC several times.

In addition to the air bases under the territorial command, there are air units directly controlled from Beijing. This applies to flight test and training centers for flight personnel and combat use.

The Yangcun air base near Beijing is the permanent home base of the Red Falcons and the First of August aerobatic teams. The Red Falcons group was created in 2011, and the “First of August” has existed since 1962. In the past, fighter jets were used to carry out demonstration flights: J-5, J-6 J-7.


Aircraft J-10AY aerobatic team "First of August"


In 2009, the pilots of the First August group moved from J-7G to J-10AY. The J-10AY aerobatic aircraft is the most lightweight J-10A fighter aircraft, from which weapons and some electronic on-board systems have been dismantled. A total of 23 single and twin J-10AY / AYS aircraft have been built for Chinese aerobatic teams.

Cangzhou Air Base in Hebei Province is the center of flight tests and retraining of fighter aircraft pilots. In the past, military J-8 interceptors of the J-10 family took place in this place, and now new versions of Russian fighter jets are being mastered, as well as the latest J-11 and J-XNUMX models.


Google Earth satellite image: J-11 / Su-30MKK fighter aircraft at Cangzhou airbase


There is a PLA Air Force Test Pilot School in Changzhou. Simultaneously with the military tests and retraining, the Su-30MKK squadron pilots were assigned the responsibility for providing air defense to the dedicated sector from the Bohai Gulf.

The center of combat use of the PLA Air Force is located in the rocky desert, in northwestern China in Gansu Province, the Inner Mongolia region. Here, in 70 km south of the Jiuquan Cosmodrome, the largest aviation ground in the PRC is Dingxin. Initially, the J-6, J-7 and J-8 fighters were based at the air base not far from the missile range and the cosmodrome, as well as the H-6 bomber squadron from which the cruise target missiles were launched to test the air defense missile system at the anti-aircraft bombardment site known as the 72. In 1996, work began on creating a center of combat use here at the airfield of Dingxin. By 2001, the three-strip concrete airstrip was extended to 4200 m, radar posts, optoelectronic ground observation stations, repair shops, a large residential town, ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants appeared in the vicinity of the airfield. In 7 km east of the airbase border on the target field, a mockup of an enemy airfield was built with the fake positions of the C-300P, Hawk and Patriot air defense missile systems, simulators of radar stations and jammers. All this makes it possible to increase the realism of the combat training process and, in practice, work out methods of countering the air defense system, interception and close air combat in difficult conditions.

On the outskirts of the Dingxin airbase there are about a hundred decommissioned obsolete fighters J-5, J-6, J-7 and J-8 concentrated. Of particular interest are the ancient J-5, which is a licensed copy of the Soviet MiG-17. The Dingxin combat training center was the only place in the PRC where these planes, officially decommissioned in the 1993 year, are still taking off. The outdated J-5 subsonic fighter and the JJ-5 two-seater training fighters, which were officially decommissioned in the 2011 year, are used as unmanned targets.


Satellite image of Google Earth: a platform with J-5 and J-6 airplanes, intended for conversion to radio-controlled targets

Launching of the aircraft, which age is already over 50 years, is carried out at an aircraft repair facility located west of the airfield's runway. Here on the target aircraft is installed remote control equipment. Given the fact that 12-15 outdated fighters are being repaired and refurbished a year, their supply may be enough for 6-7 years. The J-5 and J-6 target aircraft are actively used at a nearby training ground during control and training firing, testing of air-to-air missiles and air defense missile systems.

The great advantage of the Dingxin test site is the ability to launch air targets with anti-aircraft and long-range aircraft missiles, since this area is practically uninhabited, and heading eastward to the nearest Bayan-Nur settlement is about 600 km. This allows you to conduct secret tests away from prying eyes and to ensure the necessary safety of flights and the use of aircraft weapons. 10 stationary radar posts and 5 air bases with capital runways 2-3,5 km in length are located around the landfill, as well as several civilian airfields for which airplanes participating in tests and exercises can land.

Large-scale exercises of the Red Army of the PLAAAF air force, as well as the final stage of the Golden Helmet fighter pilots competition, take place regularly at the aviation range. At the final stage of the close air combat, the J-10, J-11, J-16 and Su-30MKK fighters converge. At Dingxin airbase, the squadron is based on exercises, playing for the enemy. Until recently, Russian-made Su-27SK / UBC fighters were selected to this squadron, highly qualified pilots were selected. However, at the moment, all Su-27SK / UBK due to the development of the resource are written off, and the pilots of the Chinese unit Aggressor moved to Su-30MKK and J-11В. There is every reason to believe that Su-35SK fighters will soon be used at the Dingxin airfield in the Aggressors.



In 2016, satellite photos of Chinese 5 generation fighters, captured at Dingxin air base, appeared on the network. According to information published in the Chinese segment of the Internet, it is here that military tests of the pre-production batch of J-20A aircraft are conducted.


Chinese fighter 5 generation J-20A


At the Dingxin airbase, not only tests of the latest fighters, combat training, training air battles and competitions between various aviation units, but also shows of the new aviation technology to the leaders of the PRC and the PLA High Command are carried out. In March 2006, the base was visited by the Secretary General of the CPC Central Committee, Hu Jintao. 2 February 2013 was visited by the General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee Xi Jinping.


Satellite image of Google Earth: a line of aircraft at Dingxin airbase


The high qualification of the PLA Air Force pilots was confirmed during the Army International Games (ARMI-2017) held on July 30 - August 9 2017 of the year in Changchun (Jilin Province in the Northeast of China) and the Aviadarts military pilots competition held in July 29 Russia - August 11 2018 of the year at a military training ground near the village of Dubrovichi (Ryazan region). In 2017, the Russian and Chinese teams won four nominations each. In the Aviadarts-2018 competition, Chinese pilots won in two nominations out of eight. According to the directory of The Military Balance 2017, the annual raid by pilots of Chinese elite fighter units can reach and even exceed 200 hours. PLA air forces are quite careful about preserving the resources of modern fighters, and much of the flight hours are accumulated on training aircraft and outdated fighters. At the same time, in the aviation regiments armed with the J-7 and J-8 fighters, the number of flight hours recruited during the year, in most cases, does not exceed 100.

Quite interesting in China is the training system for fighter pilots. The initial flight training in flight schools begins on the CJ-6 piston aircraft (created on the basis of the Yak-18). Then the cadets are transplanted to the jet TCB JL-8.


TCB JL-8


After graduation from the school, in the training aviation regiments of the PLA Air Force, as part of the advanced training phase, flights were carried out on JJ-7 and J-7 single-seat flights. Having mastered the Chinese copy of the MiG-21, the pilot began his career on second-generation fighter aircraft, after which, if he was lucky, he went through flights on training and combat aircraft Su-27UBK, his Chinese counterpart J-11AS or two-seat single-engine fighter J-10AS. Only after that the young Chinese pilot received admission to combat: Su-27SK, Su-30MKK, J-11A / В, J-10A / В. Late modifications of the J-8II fighter jets could be made by passing through flights on early J-8 series.

According to information published in open sources, the fighter fleet of the VKS RF, including the MiG-29, Su-27P / CM / CM3, Su-30CM / М2, Su-35С and MiG-31Б / БМ, is approximately 700 of airplanes. Apparently, this number also included aircraft that are “in storage” and modernization. Thus, it can be stated that the PLA Air Force is already significantly superior to the Russian Aerospace Forces in terms of the number of fighters in the formation. However, in China there are still a lot of outdated J-7 and J-8II, but the process of replacing them with modern fighters J-11B / D and J-10В / С is very active. With a high degree of probability, given the pace of construction in the PRC of modern combat aircraft, it can be assumed that outdated triangular wing fighters will be completely decommissioned over the next decade.

The ending should ...

Based on:
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http://www.iarex.ru/news/54895.html
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-2019-world-air-forces-directory-454126/
http://aviationweek.com/aviation-week-space-technology
https://www.scramble.nl/orbats/china/airforce
http://geimint.blogspot.com
https://www.abirus.ru/content/564/623/631/11311/11319.html
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1400/RR1416/RAND_RR1416.pdf
https://tass.ru/info/5409296
The Military Balance 2017
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  1. +6
    13 February 2019 16: 54
    hi Sergey, well-developed and submitted material.
    I summarize:
    1) China has more serviceable fighters than the Russian Federation.
    2) Chinese pilots have proven that no worse than Russian.
    3) PLA Air Force pilots fly up about 200 hours per year.

    And what is the average raid on Russian pilots?
    1. +1
      13 February 2019 19: 06
      Quote: Mister X
      I summarize:

      ... 4) The Americans were late 8))) I had to talk less about "Air-Sea Battle"

      Quote: Mister X
      And what is the average raid on Russian pilots?

      In 2018, pilots of the Naval Aviation and Air Defense of the Black Sea Fleet exceeded the flight plan for one crew for 15 hours, having carried out super-planned flight shifts. Thus, the average flight time per crew was 94 hours.
      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201901030941-ujl8.htm
      1. +4
        13 February 2019 20: 55
        Lopatov (Lopatov)

        And can you clarify the composition of the "Naval Aviation and Air Defense of the Black Sea Fleet" ??? How many fighters and where ???
        1. -2
          13 February 2019 21: 01
          Check with Zvezda.
          1. +7
            13 February 2019 21: 08
            I see ...
            Why then comment on an "unfamiliar" topic?
            In other topics I read your comments with interest.
            1. 0
              13 February 2019 21: 16
              Quote: NN52
              Why then comment on an "unfamiliar" topic?

              You say that you can’t believe the Russian Defense Ministry?
              "Star" - of. RF Ministry of Defense channel
              1. +7
                13 February 2019 21: 32
                Lopatov
                Well, why bite like that?
                Military journalists work on Zvezda, most of them ????
                And for you personally, I trust the RF Ministry of Defense.
                1. 0
                  13 February 2019 22: 23
                  In theory, they do not write a gag in such messages. Therefore, I, in fact, tried this message, indicating a link to the source
                  1. +6
                    13 February 2019 22: 38
                    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201811021055-y5lo.htm (самый нижний абзац посмотрите..)

                    In your same link (this link is below ...).
                    And let's close the topic.
    2. 0
      13 February 2019 19: 14
      And after that:
      According to the data provided by the newspaper, the US Air Force considers it necessary for pilots to have an average flight time of 20-25 hours a month, and the minimum necessary - 15-20 hours a month, or three flights a week (four flights a week for pilots to be introduced). In fact, in fiscal year 2017, the average airline per pilot in the US Air Force was 17,6 hours per month, including 16,4 hours per month for fighter pilots, 17,6 hours per month for military transport pilots, and 19,4 hours per month - for bomber pilots. However, these average data do not give the whole picture, since pilots in advanced deployments have a much higher flying time (both in terms of number of flights and their duration), while pilots of units in the United States are much smaller. The latter in many cases make only four to five flights a month.


      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3114161.html
    3. +5
      13 February 2019 20: 51
      Mister X
      Something you summed up badly ... The author writes about the raid of "elite" pilots, "which can reach and even exceed 200 hours ...) ... And the rest have about 100 hours ...
      Our guys have the bulk of about 150 hours .. I’ll clarify fighter aircraft (like the author).
      Where did the Chinese pilots prove that they are no worse than ours?
      What is the percentage of good machines to the total number of all boards? (with us and with them)?
      What would be so summarized?
      1. +10
        14 February 2019 00: 25
        Quote: NN52
        Something you summed up badly ... The author writes about the raid of "elite" pilots, "which can reach and even exceed 200 hours ...) ... And the rest have about 100 hours ...

        The elite, in the PLA Air Force are considered to be units armed with the J-10, J-11 and Su-27MKK fighters. And these more than half.
        Quote: NN52
        Our guys have the bulk of about 150ch

        Dmitry, the reality is somewhat less. Fly about the same, or slightly more than in China on the J-7 and J-8.
        Quote: NN52
        What is the percentage of good machines to the total number of all boards? (with us and with them)?
        What would be so summarized?

        I am interested in your opinion, who koef. those. serviceability above?
        1. +2
          14 February 2019 10: 38
          Sergey
          So I asked the person about the coefficient, because he made such conclusions from the article (not knowing the state of affairs in our country and even more so in China). In China, in principle, no one knows how things are going with this .. I don’t know either ... And therefore I don’t draw any conclusions ... in good condition>
          On the fly of our guys, especially young people (I have already specified, fighter aviation), my numbers are correct (even somewhat underestimated))) ... I know by the example of a couple of places ... (Far East, Kuban, Crimea ...)
          1. +4
            14 February 2019 15: 31
            Quote: NN52
            Sergey
            So I asked the person about the coefficient, he did draw such conclusions from the article (not knowing the state of affairs here, and especially China). In China, in principle, no one knows how things are going on with this .. I do not know either ...

            If I knew about the coefficient with us, I still would not have to voice it. No. About China I can judge only by indirect signs, but there is no such thing on their air bases.


            These machines in the air will not rise.
            Quote: NN52
            On the fly of our guys, especially young people (I have already specified, fighter aviation), my numbers are correct (even somewhat underestimated))) ... I know by the example of a couple of places ... (Far East, Kuban, Crimea ...)

            In DV, what kind of iap are you talking about?
            1. +4
              14 February 2019 15: 50
              Sergei
              I agree that China didn’t have such a collapse of aviation, as it was with us .. Regarding the photo, in the first photo, if I am not mistaken, Mig 29 (on the next branch there is an article about Indians and Mig 29. So they will be taken from these storage bases 21 board for modernization for them).
              The second photo is Mig 31, in January a contract was signed for further modernization on this topic (it seems like we recently discussed this in some of the topics ..)
              It seems we are slowly moving in the right and right direction ..

              23, not far from you .. (16,17,18 year, taking into account the "sandbox").
              1. +6
                14 February 2019 16: 02
                Quote: NN52
                Mig 29 (on the next branch there is an article about Hindus and Mig 29. So from these storage bases 21 will be taken on board for upgrading them).
                The second photo Mig 31, in January, a contract was signed for further modernization on this topic (like recently we have already discussed this in some of the topics ..

                Those machines that are in the pictures, in order already definitely not return. This is Domna and 22 th iap.
                Quote: NN52
                23, not far from you .. (16,17,18 year, taking into account the "sandbox")

                In the 23-iap, I still have active colleagues. I myself live in Komsomolsk.

                I will not voice the figure, but the attack they have is not much more than 100 hours.
                1. +4
                  14 February 2019 16: 24
                  Sergei
                  I have a "close relative" flying there .. no offense ...
                  It is better to check the staffing of the regiment with flight personnel))))
                  And the "rest" on the beaches of the Kuriles was presented to them right in the subject ...
                  1. +6
                    14 February 2019 16: 29
                    Quote: NN52
                    Sergei
                    I have a "close relative" flying there .. no offense ...

                    Well then, you know exactly the average annual raid. Add to Chinese on the J-7 20 clock and get an approximate figure.
                    Quote: NN52
                    It is better to check the staffing of the regiment with flight personnel))))

                    This is a sore subject, and the "Negroes" (I hope you understand what I mean), have really become combat-ready relatively recently.
                    Quote: NN52
                    And the "rest" on the beaches of the Kuriles was presented to them right in the subject ...

                    So it happens periodically.
                    1. +6
                      14 February 2019 21: 21
                      Of these?)))
                      1. +7
                        15 February 2019 06: 36
                        Quote: NN52
                        Of these?)))


                        We understood each other))) However, it is completely incomprehensible who and why you put cons for what ...
                      2. +6
                        15 February 2019 09: 30
                        Yes, I have here a "support group from kindergarten" minusovalschikov)))))
      2. +2
        14 February 2019 13: 30
        Quote: NN52
        The author writes about the raid of "elite" pilots,

        My dear,
        I hope the author answered you this question.

        Quote: NN52
        Where did the Chinese pilots prove that they are no worse than ours?

        We find in the article a paragraph: The high qualification of PLA Air Force pilots has been confirmed ...

        Quote: NN52
        What is the percentage of good machines to the total number of all boards?

        We find in the article a paragraph: According to information published in open sources, the fighter fleet of the Russian Federation Air Force,

        I suggest not to quarrel.
        Please do not carp at my words, otherwise I can even find fault with commas.
        No good, our skirmish will not end.
        Do you agree?
    4. -6
      14 February 2019 22: 20
      And the point is from this. The light elves are shaking China on all fronts, and China is doing the current
      Chinese warnings. Where the PLA where he does not see him, not in Syria or Venezuela. Only combat experience in combat
  2. +7
    13 February 2019 17: 40
    Author as always 5 +
  3. +1
    13 February 2019 21: 44
    About 5 years ago, the formation of separate special-purpose unmanned squadrons, which were directly subordinate to the commanders of military districts, began in the PLA Air Force. These squadrons are equipped with converted radio-controlled fighters: J-6, J-7 and J-8. Their main purpose is to distract enemy interceptors and anti-aircraft systems, as well as to conduct reconnaissance and demonstration flights in order to open the enemy’s air defense system. In peacetime, the personnel and equipment of unmanned squadrons are involved in organizing the training process of fighter aircraft and air defense forces. This contributes to a significant supply of obsolete aircraft.

    This experience of using obsolete aircraft would be useful to Eun ...
    1. +3
      13 February 2019 22: 35
      Eun has completely different principles, he crushes with the mass, not quality. For example, they have more MLRS than Russia and China combined. Even if some of them stand on the "cart" and carry them by the agricultural tractor. With fairly advanced samples

      So he will prefer airplanes with pilots, albeit outdated.

      It makes sense to overload the enemy’s air defense system with target aircraft only if this advantage can be realized. And for this you need enough normal modern aircraft
      1. +1
        13 February 2019 23: 35
        Quote: Spade
        It makes sense to overload the enemy’s air defense system with target aircraft only if this advantage can be realized.

        And who says that only as targets? Who is stopping the suspension of a couple of missiles under the unmanned Mig-21? One radar and the second short-range for example. You can trade very well.
        1. -2
          14 February 2019 07: 54
          Quote: Saxahorse
          And who says that only as targets? Who is stopping the suspension of a couple of missiles under the unmanned Mig-21? One radar and the second short-range for example.

          Do you think that an enemy of the US level will give you control of the UAVs, going in the "first wave"?
          Clean targets in a standalone version. You should not count on more, it’s not some kind of Libya.
    2. +3
      13 February 2019 22: 45
      Everything else is not at all a fact that the old aircraft in an unmanned version is better than specialized targets that can better imitate a modern aircraft, or even a group.
      In turn, an airplane is not a tank; its disposal always generates income
      1. +9
        14 February 2019 00: 28
        Quote: Spade
        Everything else is not at all a fact that the old aircraft in an unmanned version is better than specialized targets that can better imitate a modern aircraft, or even a group.

        Lopatov, the fact is that these are not just targets, but false targets, which, moreover, can be carried by the PLR. However, the Chinese have not discovered anything new in this matter. You might be surprised to learn how many flying Phantoms are in the US Air Force and how they are used.
        1. -1
          14 February 2019 07: 50
          Quote: Bongo
          Lopatov, the fact is that these are not just targets, but false goals

          Naturally. We are discussing the option of "overloading the enemy air defense".
          Agree, the old aircraft can not completely imitate the new, including the work of equipment RE

          Quote: Bongo
          You might be surprised to learn how many flying Phantoms are in the US Air Force and how they are used.

          Oh, the Americans so often commit tremendous nonsense that they are not at all an authority for me.
          1. +6
            14 February 2019 15: 39
            Quote: Spade
            Naturally. We are discussing the option of "overloading the enemy air defense".
            Agree, the old aircraft can not completely imitate the new, including the work of equipment RE

            Lopatov, is it you? In the past, you have not been over-categorical, especially in non-core issues for you. No. Please, I would be extremely grateful if you can explain how to distinguish the unmanned J-6 from the Q-5 attack aircraft, or the radio-controlled J-7 from the manned one on the radar screen or the ZUR guidance station. Note that we are talking about machines that are still operated in the PLA Air Force. At one of the air bases on the Taiwan Strait there is up to 40 J-6. Drop a picture, or believe the word? And this is just the drones, you should not take the Chinese as fools.
            Quote: Spade
            Oh, the Americans so often commit tremendous nonsense that they are not at all an authority for me.

            Lopatov, in this case, your sarcasm is absolutely inappropriate, because you did not even bother to understand the question. request
  4. +6
    13 February 2019 23: 38
    It was very interesting to read. Thank!

    China already has unmanned squadrons long been formed. They generally have a lot of good practices on drones. In general, it seems that China is quite ready for a serious war today. What can not be said about us unfortunately :(
  5. +2
    14 February 2019 03: 11
    Sergei hi Thank you for the article good Fat pluses for her for you. Just something offensive even that
    [/ quote] The Russian-Chinese border is currently considered by the Chinese command as a secondary direction that does not pose a threat to national interests.
    [Quote]
    lol once again I am convinced that the Chinese guys are serious. I especially liked the training ground, equipped with targets that are closest to natural, this is a huge number of advantages in combat training of personnel. We are waiting for the end of the cycle drinks. Indelicate question feel at the end of the cycle, what topic are you going to cover in the next article ??? This is not from great arrogance, just very interesting hi
    1. +6
      14 February 2019 15: 42
      Quote: Korax71
      Sergey hi thanks for the article

      drinks
      Quote: Korax71
      We are waiting for the end of the drinks cycle. Immodest question feel at the end of the cycle, what topic are you going to touch on in the next article ??? It is not of great impudence, just very interesting.

      There will be two parts about the air defense system. Plans to explore the landfills of Australia, to tell about the ground 20-mm American ZAK designed to counter the NAR and mortar mines and a review of Chinese drones. hi
      1. +3
        14 February 2019 15: 53
        Fine good write more, we will be enlightened drinks
      2. +2
        24 February 2019 02: 34
        But is it possible to make a review of drones, not only Chinese? Interesting topic, there was a cycle about domestic drones by one author hi but hardly we or the Chinese are leaders in this area. There are Americans, Israel with their drones and kamikaze drones ....
        Do not consider it an impolite question.
        hi
        1. +2
          24 February 2019 11: 29
          Quote: Wildcat
          Is it possible to make a survey on the drones, not only Chinese? The topic was interesting, there was a cycle about domestic drones from one author hi, but it’s unlikely we or the Chinese are leaders in this field. There are Americans, Israel with their drones and kamikaze drones ....
          Do not consider it an impolite question.
          hi

          Hello!
          About domestic drones review has already been. In the future, I plan to talk about the Chinese, in the PRC in this area have progressed much more than we do. Overview of UAVs should be broken down by countries, otherwise you will get indigestible porridge.
          1. +2
            24 February 2019 11: 33
            Thank you!
            I just meant your articles about domestic UAVs. hi
            If suddenly the UAV of the USA and Israel appear in the plans, I will be very happy! And I'm sure that I'm not alone. smile
            1. +2
              24 February 2019 11: 39
              Quote: Wildcat
              Thank you!
              I just meant your articles about domestic UAVs. hi
              If suddenly the US and Israel UAV plans appear, I will be very happy! And sure I'm not alone

              Well, it all depends on the availability of free time. A detailed overview of all American and Israeli drone can be very long. You can certainly try, but the audience for these cycles will be small.
              I also started about the air defense of the PRC after I argued with the "uryakalki" about the ability of the Chinese to create effective fighters and air defense systems. Unfortunately, for the most part, those to whom this review was intended in the first place did not read it. And if they did, then judging by the stupid comments, they did not understand anything. negative
              1. +1
                24 February 2019 23: 40
                [quote = Bongo] [quote = Wildcat]
                A detailed review of all American and Israeli drones can be very long. Of course you can try, but the audience for these cycles will be small.
                I also started about the air defense of the PRC after I argued with the "uryakalki" about the ability of the Chinese to create effective fighters and air defense systems. Unfortunately, for the most part, those to whom this review was intended in the first place did not read it. And if they did, then judging by the stupid comments, they did not understand anything. negative[/ Quote]
                I suppose that as soon as the story comes to the story of "Delilah against the Shell", there will be a lot of comments (and stupid too, where can we go without them ...).
                hi
  6. -8
    14 February 2019 03: 38
    It is obvious that the quality of aircraft and pilots of China, far behind the Russian standards.
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    2. 0
      14 February 2019 06: 25
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      It is obvious that the quality of aircraft and pilots of China, far behind the Russian standards.

      By air, yes. Problems in engines, modern materials. Pilots? I don’t think so.
      1. mvg
        +4
        14 February 2019 10: 22
        By air, yes.

        The J-11B and J-10C / D are inferior to the Su-30 and MiG-29 .. especially since the J-10D AFAR, and the Chinese immediately began to prefer their avionics to Russian. And China has a continuous radar field, unlike Russia.
      2. +5
        14 February 2019 15: 44
        Quote: Amurets
        By planes, yes. Problems in engines, modern materials.

        Nikolay, did you read the third part carefully?
        1. +1
          15 February 2019 00: 58
          Quote: Bongo
          Nikolay, did you read the third part carefully?

          And yet I remain with my opinion. Back in November 2017, I dropped links to the "East of Russia" website, where the results of the negotiations between the Lady and the Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang were held. In general terms: On the basis of "Amurstal" - production of special steels. On the basis of the Komsomolsk pulp and paper mill, to organize the production of deep processing of wood, you know perfectly well where the bleached deep cleaning pulp goes. And there are enough raw materials for all these projects above the roof.
          1. +4
            15 February 2019 06: 38
            Quote: Amurets
            On the basis of "Amurstal" - production of special steels. On the basis of the Komsomolsk pulp and paper mill, to organize the production of deep processing of wood, you know perfectly well where the bleached deep cleaning pulp goes.

            Nikolay, what does this have to do with the construction of aircraft engines in the PRC? what
            1. +1
              15 February 2019 07: 05
              Hi, hello. I don’t know how it is now, but on the Amurstal, the Chinese planned to produce heat-resistant and heat-resistant steel, including with additives, or with a beryllium legature. These steels withstand heat up to 800 degrees Celsius without losing strength. For the first time these steels began to be used on the MiG-25. Cellulose is also widely used in aviation in the manufacture of gunpowder for short-range air-combat missiles, for the manufacture of plastics and parts from them.
              1. +3
                15 February 2019 10: 17
                Quote: Amurets
                on Amurstal the Chinese planned to release heat-resistant and heat-resistant steel

                Nikolay, on Amurmetal (Amurstal) due to the peculiarities of the technological process of ESPTs-3, the smelting of special steel grades is impossible. For this you need a completely different equipment.
                1. 0
                  15 February 2019 14: 08
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Nikolay, on the Amurmetall (Amurstal), due to the peculiarities of the ESPC-3 technological process, the smelting of special grades of steel is impossible.

                  Sergey, you know better there, but you cannot make such steel in the marten. Need electric furnaces.
                  1. +3
                    15 February 2019 14: 17
                    Quote: Amurets
                    Sergey, you know better there, but you cannot make such steel in the marten. Need electric furnaces.

                    You confuse concepts a little. As for the open-hearth, they were stopped more than 25 years ago. Now only EFS-3 is functioning - there steel smelting occurs by electric arc method from scrap. When this occurs, the carburization of the molten metal from the graphite electrodes and contamination by impurities. From carbon get rid of the purge of oxygen, and sulfur and phosphorus are removed with slag. With an EMNIP furnace capacity of about 150 t, only ordinary brands can be obtained in this way. For special steels, we need induction furnaces or even more sophisticated ones where the metal in a vacuum is heated by a stream of electrons. But the volumes there are very modest.
                    1. 0
                      15 February 2019 15: 18
                      [quote = Bongo] You are a little confused. As for the martens, they were stopped more than 25 years ago. [/ Quote]
                      Sergey, I do not confuse the concept. Martens stopped this in Russia; in China, they are still widely used.
                      [quote = Bongo] For special steels, we need induction furnaces or even more sophisticated ones where the metal in a vacuum is heated by a stream of electrons. But the volumes there are very modest.
    3. +5
      14 February 2019 15: 43
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      It is obvious that the quality of aircraft and pilots of China, far behind the Russian standards.

      Obviously for whom? Do not give out wishful thinking No.
  7. +3
    14 February 2019 06: 40
    Sergey, thanks. Not an article, but a complete upset.

    In the 70-80s, airbases were built in the eastern and central regions of the PRC, on which combat aircraft took refuge in tunnels pierced in rock formations. Now these shelters with thick steel gates capable of withstanding a near nuclear explosion are partially mothballed and used as storage bases for decommissioned backup aircraft
    We don’t have time to take out the air units for disbanding or re-forming, everything remains nothing, everything collapses, it is dismantled for scrap and as a result they remain the ruins of expensive infrastructure
    1. 0
      14 February 2019 08: 06
      Quote: Amurets
      We don’t have time to take out the air units for disbanding or re-forming, everything remains nothing, everything collapses, it is dismantled for scrap and as a result they remain the ruins of expensive infrastructure

      For every airdrome that closes according to Sotnikov, finding another task
    2. +4
      14 February 2019 15: 46
      Quote: Amurets
      We don’t have time to take out the air units for disbanding or re-forming, everything remains nothing, everything collapses, it is dismantled for scrap and as a result they remain the ruins of expensive infrastructure

      Unfortunately, this applies not only to air bases. From the military unit and the town on Bochin, too, only the ruins remained. And such towns ... The village of Taezhny where the MAB was also abandoned.
      1. -5
        14 February 2019 22: 24
        Sometimes it's easier to demolish the old to build a new one. A vivid example.
        1. +5
          15 February 2019 00: 16
          Quote: bmv04636
          Sometimes it's easier to demolish the old to build a new one. A vivid example.

          You again write about what you absolutely do not understand. Have you ever wondered how much the 1 airfield meter costs in northern conditions or a five-story residential building? The fact that recently they built several widely advertised objects in the North does not at all redeem the hundreds of capital objects destroyed there.
          1. -4
            15 February 2019 05: 52
            I don’t argue, but still building a new one, restoring the old ones there are. Both in the north and on the Pacific coast. Specialists of the military-construction complex of the Ministry of Defense handed over several objects at once for the Russian military on the islands of Iturup and Kunashir.
            Before the new year, the settlement began on two-story modern furnished apartment-type dormitories for contract servicemen - two on Iturup Island and two on Kunashir.
            New settlers were 188 contractors and their families. At the same time, energy centers were put into operation, ensuring the smooth functioning of the constructed facilities.
            The military builders have already passed another hostel on Iturup for 120 people, and they will also give it up for settlement in the near future.
            Two of the same hostels were settled earlier, in 2017, two more - one on Iturup and one on Kunashir, will be erected and commissioned in 2019.
            Also on both islands there are modern heated storage facilities for weapons and military equipment for 40 cars each, another one with a capacity of 20 cars is being prepared for commissioning in Kunashir.
            In addition to the construction of new facilities, overhaul and reconstruction of existing buildings and structures are ongoing in the Kuril Islands. In particular, on Iturup, the roof, engineering networks were repaired, double-glazed windows were replaced and the walls were clad with siding in two residential buildings, and the dining room was being reconstructed. Overhaul of four residential buildings and a dining room is nearing completion in Kunashir.
            As part of the development of military and social infrastructure on the islands of Iturup and Kunashir, the construction and reconstruction of more than 200 various facilities, including military facilities, residential buildings, canteens, schools, and sports complexes, are planned.
            All military units of the Eastern Military District, deployed on the islands of the Kuril Ridge, are fully staffed by contract soldiers.
            I understand say a little. I will answer you what budget we have. We do not print money and do not live in debt. We live within our means how much we earned, how much we spent.
            1. +5
              15 February 2019 06: 40
              Quote: bmv04636
              I do not argue but still build a new restore old examples are.

              In the Far East, the ratio of built military infrastructure to destroyed ones will probably be 1 to 1000. Even read what you write funny.
            2. +2
              15 February 2019 14: 00
              Quote: bmv04636
              I don’t argue, but still building a new one, restoring the old ones there are. Both in the north and on the Pacific coast. Specialists of the military-construction complex of the Ministry of Defense handed over several objects at once for the Russian military on the islands of Iturup and Kunashir.
              The island is one thing, the climate is different there, there are no such frosts. The climate on the islands is low contrast oceanic: on the northern islands it has arctic features, on the southern islands it is close to temperate. Kunashir is considered the warmest, the mildest climate is on the island of Shikotan.

              "The climate on the islands is maritime, with warm winters and cool summers, high air humidity does not have a negative effect due to the mild temperature regime. In winter, temperature differences between the northern and southern islands do not exceed 2 ° C, but in August they reach 6 ° C: from +10 ° C in the north to +16 ° C in the south [12]. As on the mainland, "For the sake of interest, look on the map where Zeya, Tygda are located, not to be confused with Tynda, it is even colder there, Skovorodino, and these areas find lenses eternal permafrost, and what to say that is to the north? And this is the Amur region, the relative south of the Far East. The climate is primarily characterized by the temperature indicators of the coldest and warmest months. Identical indicators of different places are combined by isotherms. In January, the isotherms with the lowest values ​​are confined to mountainous regions. In the north of the region, the average January temperature drops to -31 ° С [12]. In intermontane depressions below. Temperatures rise to the south. In the south, there are isotherms from -26 ° C to -22 ° C. Winter in the region is severe. At the latitude of Blagoveshchensk there is the city of Voronezh, where the average January temperature is -6,1 ° C, and in Blagoveshchensk it is -21,5 ° C. The absolute minimum is -45,4 ° C.
      2. +4
        15 February 2019 07: 49
        Quote: Bongo
        From the military unit and the town on Bochin, too, there were only ruins. And such towns ...

        And with what voltage in 1969, Bochin was built? The rest of the S-75 divisions served in half, the First battle crew, the rest worked on Bochin, on Mylki, near Amur new positions were being built to expand Komsomolsk air defense. Nobody knew what would happen next. March, the conflict with the Chinese in Damansky, they lived all month either at the CP and in the cabins. June and August are the same. And only in October it became easier, the tension on the Soviet-Chinese border subsided.
        1. +5
          15 February 2019 10: 20
          Unfortunately, the shameful practice of destroying the existing infrastructure has not yet been eradicated. Now they are trashing Closed Lian.
  8. +5
    14 February 2019 07: 08
    as always brilliant article good
  9. -5
    14 February 2019 22: 54
    And the sense is from the PLA. One understood the Chinese invasion, we do not wait heat-loving
    "Attention is drawn to the fact that 2/3 of active military airfields are located along the Chinese coast, and fighters based on them protect the largest military-industrial and administrative centers of the PRC. It is in areas with good climatic conditions for the population that more than 70% are concentrated. Chinese industrial potential. It is only natural that this is where the main air defense forces and the most modern aviation technology are located. " Our East (which is not at all distant) and Siberia as a place of residence are not of much interest to them. Rather, California will be squeezed from the "light elves"
  10. +5
    15 February 2019 06: 16
    Thanks to the author for the efforts breaking the myth of China as a copier country!