Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 3)

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At the beginning of the 90-s of the XX century, the PLA Air Force Fighter Park looked very archaic. It was based on J-6 fighters (a copy of the MiG-19) and J-7 (a copy of the MiG-21), and there were also some 150 air defense interceptors J-8. After the normalization of relations between our countries, China became one of the largest buyers of Russian weapons. Even before the collapse of the USSR, Chinese representatives expressed interest in acquiring modern fighters. Originally, Beijing was offered front-line fighters MiG-29. However, having familiarized themselves with the capabilities of these combat aircraft, the Chinese military expressed a desire to get a fighter with a longer range, with more powerful weapons and radar. In 1991, a contract was concluded for the supply to the PRC of 38 single fighters Su-27SK (export version Su-27С) and 12 double training fighters Su-27UBK. By mutual agreement of the parties, the content of the transaction, including its value, was not disclosed. But experts believe that the total value of the contract was not less than $ 1,7 billion. However, the Chinese side redeemed some of the cost with not the highest-quality “consumer goods”.

In June 1992, the first batch of 8 Su-27SK and 4 Su-27UBK entered the PLA Air Force combat regiment. In November of the same year, another 12 single-seat cars were added to the first batch. Single Su-27SK were built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association. Yu. A. Gagarin (KnAAPO), and sparks for China were collected at the Irkutsk Aviation Production Association (IAPO). Together with the Su-2SK / UBK aircraft, spare parts and aviation armament. Including air combat missiles R-27 and R-73.



Improving the air defense system of the People's Republic of China against the background of strategic rivalry with the United States (part 3)

PLA Air Force pilots rush to take seats in the Su-27SK cabins


Shortly after the start of operation of the Su-27SK, the Chinese side proposed to organize joint licensed production in the PRC. The negotiations, which lasted several years, successfully concluded in 1996 year. Under a contract worth $ 2,5 billion, the Russian company Sukhoi and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation entered into an agreement to build X-NUMX Su-200SK fighter jets at the aircraft plant in Shenyang (Liaoning province). The assembly kits and the electronic stuffing for the first fighters were delivered by transport aircraft from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, but over time, the People's Republic of China set up production of its own components. In China, Su-27SK fighters, assembled in Shenyang, received the designation J-27. The first series J-11 fighters were identical to the Russian Su-11SK export, they were also equipped with the N27E radar, an optoelectronic station and the weapons control equipment RLPK-001. The fighter target detection range was 27 km, the maximum detection range of 70 km. The airborne radar could track up to 110 targets and simultaneously fire 10 of them. Given collected under license in Shenyang Su-2SK, a total of China received 27 aircraft.


Su-27SK with P-73 and P-27 missiles


The J-11 fighter first flew into the 1998 year. The first licensed vehicles arrived in the same aviation regiments where Su-27SK shipped from Russia were already in operation. A total of 105 licensed J-11 fighter jets were assembled in the PRC. Chinese avionics were installed on a significant part of the aircraft. After the J-105 11 aircraft were built under the license, the Chinese side broke the agreement, citing the “low combat characteristics” of Russian fighters. Subsequently, the reserve, which was not implemented under the Chinese contract, was used at KnAAPO for the production of Su-27CM3 fighter jets.

The statements about the “low combat characteristics” of the Su-27SK were clearly far-fetched. Gaining economic and military power, China, having received the most modern at the time combat aircraft, technical documentation and technology, did not want to be dependent on the goodwill of the northern neighbor, who entered into a lingering band of not too successful economic transformations. Also in Beijing, remembering history Soviet-Chinese relations, decided to “not put all the eggs in one basket” and tried to reduce dependence on imported components and develop their own aircraft industry. After the production of main components and assemblies was localized in China, and Chinese research institutes successfully developed their own avionics, our eastern neighbor decided not to spend money on the purchase of aircraft that he could successfully build himself. The technologies obtained from Russia allowed the Chinese aviation industry to make a qualitative leap, bringing it to a new level of development. In a short period of time, China has managed to catch up on the 30-year lag in this area. Currently, despite the difficulties in creating modern aircraft engines, China has the opportunity to build all types of combat aircraft, including the 5 generation fighter. However, after the license agreement was broken, China bought X-NUMX aircraft engines AL-290F in Russia, which were installed on Su-31SK and J-27 fighters.

The opinion that “a copy is always worse than the original” is untenable. According to the stories of Russian specialists who helped build Su-27SK construction at the aircraft plant in Shenyang, our Chinese "partners" from the very beginning made very strict demands on the quality of components supplied from Russia, ruthlessly rejecting parts that even small scratches of paintwork didn’t have affecting flight data and flight safety. Equally strictly, the Chinese monitored directly the assembly of the aircraft, checking each operation several times. At the same time, the quality of the aircraft assembled in the PRC was even higher than at KnAAPO.

Despite the extremely unpleasant for Russia and a very significant incident with the refusal of the licensed construction of the Su-27SK, military-technical cooperation in the field of military aviation between our countries did not stop. Especially for China, a double Su-1999MKK multipurpose fighter was created in 30. In contrast to the Indian Su-30MKI, the fighter, created by the Chinese order, was distinguished by the vertical tail of a larger area, as well as by the standard production engines AL-31F without a thrust vector control system. In addition, the destabilizer was not installed in the Chinese version. Due to the additional fuel tanks, the combat radius increased significantly compared with the Su-27SK.


Sioux 30MKK


In terms of its combat capabilities at the time of creation, the Su-30MKK surpassed all serial combat aircraft available in the Russian Air Force. The fighter received a new airborne radar and optoelectronic station and weapons control system. Information is displayed on a multifunctional LCD displays. Compared to the single Su-27SK, the introduction of air-to-ground guided weapons has significantly increased the impact capabilities. In August 1999, Russia and China signed an agreement on the delivery within three years of 45 Russian Su-30MKK fighters. Later on, China ordered another 31 fighter. According to expert estimates, the total amount of the transaction was about $ 3 billion.

Intensive use and, as a consequence, the rapid wear of the two-seater Su-XNUMHUBK and the loss of several vehicles in flight accidents led to a shortage of training and combat vehicles in the PLA Air Force. In this regard, at the beginning of 27-x it was decided to purchase 2000 Su-24MK30. Unlike the Su-XNUMHUBK, the multipurpose Su-2MK27 is capable of performing combat missions related to long range and flight duration. The Su-30MK2 used in-flight refueling systems, navigation systems, and group operations control equipment was introduced. Due to the installation of new missiles and weapons control systems, the combat effectiveness of the aircraft was significantly increased.

After a detailed acquaintance with the Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2, the Chinese specialists proceeded to further improve the mass-produced J-11 fighter jets. By the time of the rejection of the license agreement for the heavy J-11A fighters assembled in Shenyang, they adapted the Chinese Type 1492 radar, which was previously intended for the J-8D interceptor. Chinese sources state that this station is capable of seeing an air target with an 1 ESR EPR, flying towards you at a distance of up to 100 km.


Google Earth satellite image: J-11 fighters parked at Shenyang’s factory airfield

The J-11А fighter also received a Chinese-made WS-10A engine. The Russian media has repeatedly encountered the statement that the WS-10A is a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31F engine. However, every visitor to the Beijing Aviation Museum can verify that this is not true. From June 2010, the WS-10A TRDDF has been available for free viewing at the museum exposition.


TRDDF WS-10A in the museum exhibition


The development of the WS-10 TRDF was carried out at the 606-m Shenyang Research Institute of the Ministry of Aviation Industry. American sources claim that the emergence of WS-10A is largely due to the fact that in 1982, the US sold in China "for testing" two CFM56-2 engines manufactured by CFM International. Engines of this type were installed on Douglas DC-8 and Boeing 707 airliners. Although the CFDXF CFM56-2 is a civilian, its main components: a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber and a high-pressure turbine — were also used on the General Electric F110 TRDDF, which, in turn, was installed on F-4 and F-15 fighters. The Pentagon was categorically against sending these engines to China. However, the then administration of President Ronald Reagan, hoping for an alliance with the PRC against the USSR, insisted on the deal, provided that the engines should be kept in special sealed containers and opened only in the presence of American representatives, the disassembly of the engines was strictly prohibited. But the Chinese, in their intrinsic manner, did not comply with the agreement, opened the engines, dismantled and studied their components. Subsequently, Beijing refused to return engines to the United States under the motive that they “burned out in a fire”.

Until now, among Russian “patriots” it is widely believed that the WS-10 TRDDF is in all respects inferior to the Soviet AL-31F aircraft engine, and its overhaul life does not exceed 30-40 hours. But apparently, since the creation of the first version of WS-10A, Chinese specialists have been able to seriously advance in terms of increasing the resource, increasing reliability and reducing weight. According to Western sources, as of today, more than 400 WS-10 aircraft engines of various modifications could have been assembled in the PRC.


TRDDF WS-10В at the Zhuhai air show


In Chinese media in 2014, an interview was taken at the air show in Zhuhai with Lao Dong, a representative of the Shenyang Research Institute 606. Lao Dong said that the WS-10В engines are being installed on J-11B fighters. According to Lao Dong, the designated WS-10 resource is now 1500 hours, and the turnaround time is 300 hours. He also said that the engine is being improved and the current version uses more new composite materials, which made the engine easier, and thanks to the creation of new refractory alloys for turbine blades, it can work longer in the afterburner mode. It is reported that one of the options WS-10 is able to develop cravings up to 155kn. The following modifications of the aircraft engine are known:
- WS-10G - designed for the Chinese fighter 5-th generation J-20.
- WS-10ТVС - with variable thrust vectoring for the J-11D fighter.


J-11В fighter with PL-8 rocket


However, the J-11B differs from the Su-27SK not only by the engine. New Chinese fighter received a frameless cockpit lantern. Thanks to the use of composite materials, the “dry” weight of the aircraft was reduced by 700 kg. Also on the improved Chinese unlicensed copy of the Su-27 installed local developed avionics. The Type 1494 radar with a range of air targets detection up to 200 km has become the most significant innovation in the avionics unit. The Chinese multi-purpose radar, coupled with a fire control system, is capable of tracking 8 targets and directing 4 missiles at them simultaneously. On the new version of the heavy fighter, Chinese experts used nationally-developed guided aviation weapons, abandoning one of the restrictions imposed by the license agreement. When concluding a contract for the supply of Su-27SK, the Russian side set a condition on prohibiting the replacement of suspension pylons, so Russia tried to limit the arsenal of fighters only with Russian-made weapons.


Air-to-air missile PL-8


The J-11В armament includes PL-8 short-range air combat missiles, which, according to the West, are based on the Israeli design of the Rafael Python 3 UR. 115 kg rocket mass, 0,5-20 km launch range.


PL-12 Missile Suspension for Fighter Weapons


To combat air targets out of line of sight, PL-12 missiles can be used. This rocket in the United States is considered the Chinese equivalent of AIM-120 AMRAAM. However, China traditionally claims that this is a purely Chinese development. The rocket weighing about 200 kg with a dual-mode solid-fuel engine is equipped with an active radar homing head and is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 80 km.

Practically at the same time as the J-11B single, the production of the combat training pair J-11BS began. The two-seat modification was intended for the final replacement of the extremely worn to date Su-XNUMHUBK. Western experts agree that the production facilities of the aircraft manufacturer Shenyang Aircraft Corporation allowed a total of more than 27 aircraft to be built by J-130B and J-11BS. The strength of the Chinese heavy fighter J-11В in the USA is the presence of equipment on their board, which makes it possible to receive data on the air situation from ground guidance points and DRLO KJ-11 and KJ-200 airplanes on a secure radio channel, which makes it possible for Chinese pilots to get information superiority over their adversary.


J-11D prototype


In the first half of 2015, images of a new modification appeared in the media - J-11D. In China, this car is called the Chinese "analog" of the Russian Su-35С. It is alleged that the new version is equipped with the latest on-board radio electronics.



The aircraft received a multifunctional radar with AFAR, a new EDSU, as well as an in-flight refueling system. Composite materials are widely used in the design of the modernized fighter; their share reaches 10% by weight of the airframe. In the future, J-11D should receive engines with thrust vectoring WS-10ТVС, which will allow it to have maneuverability at the level of Su-35. The J-11D fighter will be armed with air-to-air missiles of the type PL-10 and PL-15.


Air-to-air missile PL-10


Some of the technical characteristics of PL-10E were revealed in an interview with one of the Chinese TV channels by the chief designer of the rocket, Liang Xiaogen. The rocket is equipped with a multi-element noiseproof homing head with photocontrast, heat and ultraviolet channels. It is stated that the capture angle of the GOSP UR PL-10 generation reached 90 ° against 60 ° Russian P-73, which, in combination with an assault target designation system, makes it possible to more successfully counter enemy fighters in close combat. The mass of the PL-10 is 90,7 kg, the launch range is up to 20 km.

The PL-15 rocket was created to replace the PL-12 SD. The exact characteristics of the PL-10 long-range missile equipped with an active radar seeker are not known. But in the US, they believe that its launch range can reach 150 km.


The air-to-air missile PL-15 under the wing of the J-11D fighter


Thus, Chinese fighters can gain an advantage in long-range rocket duels over American combat aircraft equipped with an AIM-120C-7 UR with a 120 km firing range. Heavy fighters of the PLA Air Force with long-range missiles will be able to push back the lines of patrolling enemy DRLO and radio reconnaissance aircraft, as well as intercept strategic bombers until the launch of cruise missiles.

However, the aviation industry of the People's Republic of China is not yet in a position to create its own heavy fighter of the 4 ++ generation, superior to the Russian Su-35 in everything. In a number of Russian media, there have even been reports that the J-11D program has been stopped. However, it is extremely naive to assume that in China, faced with technical difficulties, they will refuse to further improve their own combat aircraft.



In terms of their capabilities, the latest J-11 aircraft of the last series roughly correspond to or even have an advantage over domestic modernized Su-27CMs and are the most advanced Chinese-made fighters designed to gain air superiority and intercept air targets when performing air defense tasks. At the same time, the Chinese J-11 drill is seriously inferior to the Russian Su-35С fighters. So Su-35С significantly exceeds all serial variants of J-11 in fuel supply on board, which significantly increases the range and duration of the flight without refueling in the air. In addition, due to the better maneuverability of the Russian fighter has a better chance of winning in the melee.

The characteristics of the new Chinese radar stations and weapons control systems are not exactly known, but most experts are inclined to believe that if the P-35-77 / RVV-SD are used on the Su-1 medium-range missiles, the Russian fighter will have superiority in long-range missile duels .


P-77 and P-73 missiles near the PLA Air Force Su-30MKK


Apparently, the P-77 export-grade missiles in the past were delivered to the PRC simultaneously with the Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 fighters. In 2010, the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation in its annual report published information on the fulfillment of obligations under the contract with China for the supply of spare parts for RVV-AE missiles in the total amount of $ 3 million the period from 552 to 2003 was the year the Vimpel State Machine-Building Design Bureau manufactured missiles for shipment to the PRC.

At the end of 2015, information was announced about the signing of an agreement for the supply of X-NUMX Su-24SK fighters to the PRC. The estimated cost of the contract is about $ 35 billion. In addition to the aircraft themselves, the cost of the contract also includes training of the flight crew, ground equipment and standby engines. The first 2,5 Su-4SK arrived in China at the end of 35 of the year. In November 2016, all the fighters ordered in Russia were transferred to the PLA Air Force.


Su-35SK PLA Air Force at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport


11 May 2018, the Chinese Su-35SK was spotted at the Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport. A number of experts believe that the fighter with a tail number 61271 flew from China to Zhukovsky near Moscow at the airfield of the Flight Research Institute named after MM. Gromov, for use in the training program of the Chinese flight personnel.

The export version of the Su-35SK for the PLA Air Force has a number of differences from the Su-35С adopted in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Repeatedly on the Military Review in the comments on the deliveries of the Su-35SK to China, the view was expressed that the export version has "reduced" characteristics and cannot compete with Russian combat fighters. However, one should not give out the desired for reality and consider our “strategic partners” frankly not smart people who buy second-rate weapons. The Su-35SK differs from the Su-35С, but they primarily consist in the absence of fighter jets built for the PRC, the Russian system of identification of nationality and equipment for automated target designation adopted in the Russian Federation Military Space Council. In addition, the Chinese side demanded that the cockpit be equipped with Chinese-made avionics.



In the Russian media, the contract for delivery to the People's Republic of China Su-35SK is often presented as a significant achievement. However, the amount of fighters purchased by China’s standards, which is not even enough to form a fully-fledged air regiment by Russian standards, cannot but attract attention. In addition, the Chinese representatives do not hide the fact that they are primarily interested in the design features and capabilities of the Russian fighter. First of all, this refers to a radar with a phased array H035 "Irbis" and an armament control system. Apparently, the radar installed on the Su-35SK surpasses the Chinese radar Type 1494. In open sources, it is said that the Irbis H035 can detect an air target with a EPR 3 m² at a distance of 350-400 km on a heading course. In connection with the unavailability of its own engine with a variable thrust vector, the Chinese developers were very interested in the technical secrets of the TRDDF with the OVT AL-41FXNNXXC. There is no doubt that at least one AL-1F41С engine is already being studied in the profile Chinese research institute, the same applies to the H1 Irbis radar.

Statements that Chinese specialists will not be able to reveal Russian secrets are not consistent. In the past, specialized Chinese institutions were able to illegally copy very complex samples of foreign equipment and weapons. At the beginning of 90's in our country, many did not believe that the Chinese aviation industry was able to independently produce copies of the Su-27 fighter. However, albeit with difficulty, but the Chinese coped with this task. Do not forget that due to the enormous resources invested in training and basic research, the scientific and technical potential of the PRC has increased many times since, Chinese research organizations and the industrial base are already well up to the most sophisticated technological products of the world level.

To be continued ...

Based on:
https://tass.ru/info/2454199
http://avianews.info/dvigateli-ws-10a-nadyozhny/
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/ws10.htm
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/british-expert-believes-that-chinese-engines-used-american-technology.96940/
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-radar-developments-klj-series-and-others.t6755/
https://forum.milavia.net/air-power/radar-klj-series/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19725.0
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AAM.html
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/j-11d-china/
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/pl-15.htm
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http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-105.html
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  1. +7
    30 January 2019 05: 34
    Thank you Sergey, excellent material. I have a question for you, but for ship ZAK you will do the work, I really want to continue the series, especially liked the penultimate work on the German ZAK. Thanks again.
    1. +7
      30 January 2019 13: 29
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Thank you Sergey, excellent material. I have a question for you, but for ship ZAK you will do the work, I really want to continue the series, especially liked the penultimate work on the German ZAK. Thanks again.

      Hello Andrey!
      About ship anti-aircraft installations I'm interested in myself, I plan to do it later. For now it is necessary to finish with the air defense of the PRC. I took up this work after I got tired of fighting with "uryalka" broadcasting that in China air defense and combat aviation suck, and the Chinese themselves are hopelessly losing to us in everything.
      1. +4
        30 January 2019 15: 41
        What can I say, well done Chinese.
        But the engines still have not reached an acceptable level, since they buy abroad. As practice shows, they stop purchasing abroad to achieve this level, if they buy, then they have not reached it. The same contract for the Su-35, killed two birds with one stone.
        But, of course, they are moving towards their goal by leaps and bounds. Did I say that they are well done? =)
        I think they’ll catch up relatively soon.
        1. 0
          30 January 2019 16: 04
          Quote: Bongo
          For now, it is necessary to finish with the air defense of China.

          Greetings, Andrey, but I want to make a proposal. You are equal in this to the gods, therefore, bring us /// Europeans /// information about the northern Chinese districts. Namely, Amur-to the zone of scallops. And about the possibility of maneuver, too, oily, t. to. I believe that China and SAmerikai cooperate well, so China will be thrown to Russia in the medium term. Considering that our authoritarian rule has no prospect, the Chinese attack on the USSR can take place at any time during the political casting of Russia.
          1. +2
            30 January 2019 22: 38
            You made a mistake venerable, this is to Sergei, I am a reader.
        2. 0
          3 February 2019 10: 49
          It is necessary to shoot such "fellows". Without trial and investigation, without segregation into old and young. Every single one. This is not cruelty. This is a matter of our survival, for they will definitely not pity us.
  2. 0
    30 January 2019 06: 35
    The largest copier in the world is China. The motto of the Chinese economy and science is to copy everything! )))
    1. +6
      30 January 2019 13: 12
      Copy everything!

      An article about Thomas, and he about Yerema ... pralno, what the hell to read, if there are stereotypes? About the USSR, read how we copied the American engines, B-29, FAU-2, and indeed everything that we could reach ..
      1. 0
        30 January 2019 22: 39
        The engines did not copy. V-2 is also not an exact copy.
        1. +2
          30 January 2019 22: 56
          The engines did not copy

          Come on wink what if you read something? Well, Hispano-Suiza, Pratt-Whitney, Wright-Cyclone, Gnome, BieMVi say nothing? Or do you really think that Soviet engineers developed M (VK) and AM series engines from scratch? yes you are a patriot.
          http://militera.lib.ru/bio/ponomarev/pre2.html
          Well, P-1 8A11 (FAU-2), a modification of a German rocket ... 1948.
          PS: The Chinese, too, do not copy completely, but constantly improve something. For example, HQ-9, this is not a copy of the S-300, but a hodgepodge of Patriot (radar) and S-300
  3. +11
    30 January 2019 07: 01
    Thanks to the author for the article, as always at 5+. As for China, with its pace of economic growth, the hour is not far off when they will surpass us in aviation.
    1. -2
      30 January 2019 11: 27
      Quote: Vasily199
      The hour is not far when they will surpass us in aviation.

      hi Do you really think that this is possible?
      1. +10
        30 January 2019 12: 46
        Do you really think that this is possible?
        if you don’t think so, then you are not very smart. With the resources China invests, not even in the production of military aviation, but in the training of engineering and technical personnel for work in Chinese aviation research institutes and the general increase in the level of education in China, the moment when the Chinese air forces will surpass the Russian ones is only a matter of time. I am not familiar in detail with the capabilities of the Chinese aircraft industry, but now the Chinese produce more military aircraft per year than Russia. Yes, even if they are worse than the Russian ones, but with the capabilities of the Chinese aviation industry, they can stupidly crush the masses. This is despite the fact that education in Russia now comes down mainly to preparing for the exam, not to mention the development of the aviation industry.
        1. +4
          30 January 2019 13: 41
          Quote: AnderS
          if you don't think so, then you are not very smart.

          If you answer me like this, then you are not very educated.
          I did not insult you, but only asked.

          Quote: AnderS
          The Chinese Air Force will surpass the Russian - just a matter of time.

          Except how to wait and predict - nothing can be done?

          Quote: AnderS
          education in Russia is now reduced mainly to preparing for the exam

          Self-education has not been canceled.
          I do not have higher education, I’m far behind 40, but every day I try to learn something new, to get a new skill.
          Not only the school should be engaged in training, but also the family.
          Don't you think so?

          For example, my illiterate grandmother intuitively taught me to read, and my mother taught me to be inquisitive.
          Thanks to them, I am able to write an article on an economic or military subject, assemble / repair a computer, restore a wooden window or a metal grid, make an airplane model with an internal combustion engine, own a needle so much that I can embroider a scarf or even a bench hammer.

          Who forbids today's young people to engage in self-improvement?
          Who is to blame for the fact that they have no interest in studying?
          School? Russian government? Or maybe China?
          1. +8
            30 January 2019 14: 00
            Quote: Mister X
            If you answer me like this, then you are not very educated.
            I did not insult you, but only asked.

            Mikhail, I am sure that AnderS (Andrew) did not try to insult you, but simply thoughtlessly put it. Personally, I do not doubt your intellect.
            Quote: Mister X
            Who forbids today's young people to engage in self-improvement?
            Who is to blame for the fact that they have no interest in studying?
            School? Russian government? Or maybe China?

            Mikhail, the task of the authorities is to create conditions for development and workable social elevators. And with this we do not really.
            Just the other day, my summer nephew 23, among other invited students, met with the Plenipotentiary representative in the DFO, and he said: trust only in yourself and the state owes nothing ... if prices seem high to you, work more and then maybe you can allow the desired. This is normal?
            1. +2
              30 January 2019 16: 30
              Quote: Bongo
              Plenipotentiary in the DFO, and he said: rely only on yourself and the state owes you nothing

              Not from a great mind, he made such a statement.
              On this is not a sin to roll into the MSC complaint, if possible, attach a video presentation.
              Perhaps he was defiantly crucified. Perhaps the pumaga will be "lost".
              But doing nothing is even worse.
              Do you agree?
              1. +3
                31 January 2019 02: 15
                Quote: Mister X
                Not from a great mind, he made such a statement.
                On this is not a sin to roll into the MSC complaint, if possible, attach a video presentation.

                Audiovidia was not kept, and complaints to the presidential representative would be more expensive for the complainant himself.
                1. +1
                  31 January 2019 11: 07
                  Quote: Bongo
                  on the representative of the president the complainant will be more expensive.

                  I didn’t have to complain to the plenipotentiary
                  but I am sure that most officials have a stigma in the cannon and they step up each other.
                  Surely there are candidates for his place who are waiting for him to stumble.
                  Signal is worth it.

                  You can call me a klyuznik, but sometimes it breaks through me and I start waving the sword.
                  There was a case - an employee insulted me for nothing in the registration chamber.
                  And not only me. While standing in line saw the same appeal to others in line.
                  I went to the reception desk and dashed at her complaint on the 2-s pages.
                  When I came to pick up the documents, she apologized and was very kindness to everyone.

                  I asked another official who suffered from "star fever" in a proper tone about its incomplete inadequacy.
                  He turned sharply pale and his legs gave way. And how he ran after that.

                  Many years ago, in the ministry of privatization, I was buffeted by workers with my own jerking.
                  I went to the minister, opening the door with my foot. For this, he quickly began to respect me.
                  When I typed the artist and ordered to urgently solve my question.

                  I have extensive experience in dealing with government offices and corporations.
                  It is necessary to write not only to the addressee, but also to add to the copy accounting, the personnel department, the receiving minister, the competitors (if they are private traders).
                  The effect will be astounding.
                  They will begin internal backroom fuss and underworld movements.
                  All well-wishers will begin to roll a barrel on him, and the addressee, in order to stay in place, will try to fulfill your requirements.

                  No time to describe all the cases
                  but I was called to apologize and the chief engineer of electrical networks, and the top manager of Orange.
                  So ask for advice.
                  1. +3
                    31 January 2019 15: 13
                    Quote: Mister X
                    I didn’t have to complain to the plenipotentiary
                    but I am sure that most officials have a stigma in the cannon and they step up each other.

                    Michael, you proceed from your experience. And this is not the level. And the country is different.
                    1. 0
                      31 January 2019 15: 31
                      Quote: zyablik.olga
                      And this is not the level. And the country is different.

                      People are the same everywhere. Though in Africa, at least in America.
                      Do not you think so?
                      1. +4
                        1 February 2019 02: 45
                        Quote: Mister X
                        People are the same everywhere. Though in Africa, at least in America.
                        Do not you think so?

                        Mikhail, I do not doubt your talents, but you do not know Russian realities. Moreover, the official level plenipotentiary for criticism from below is almost invulnerable.
                      2. +2
                        1 February 2019 10: 40
                        Quote: zyablik.olga
                        An official of the plenipotentiary level for criticism from below is almost invulnerable.

                        You know better.
                        Well, we expanded the topic: from the air defense of the PRC to the plenipotentiary in the Far East wink
                      3. 0
                        1 February 2019 15: 03
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Well, we expanded the topic: from the air defense of the PRC to the plenipotentiary in the Far East

                        The People's Republic of China and DFO are closer than the People's Republic of China and Moldova. wink
                      4. +3
                        1 February 2019 15: 46
                        Quote: Bongo
                        The People's Republic of China and DFO are closer than the People's Republic of China and Moldova.

                        And we meet Chinese. Even the Chinese Embassy in Chisinau is available.
                        Can you come in and give them a thread on your behalf? wink
                      5. 0
                        2 February 2019 01: 56
                        Quote: Mister X
                        And we meet Chinese. Even the Chinese Embassy in Chisinau is available.

                        Who would doubt that...
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Can you come in and give them a thread on your behalf?

                        Thank you, if I want to talk with the Chinese, I will go to the market or to the car-care center.
                      6. 0
                        2 February 2019 10: 26
                        Quote: Bongo
                        if I want to talk to the Chinese, I will go to the market or to the car-care center.

                        So then the usual Chinese. There will be time delays when communicating with Beijing.
                        And we have an embassy. Direct connection laughing
                      7. 0
                        2 February 2019 10: 52
                        Quote: Mister X
                        So then the usual Chinese. There will be time delays when communicating with Beijing.
                        And we have an embassy. Direct connection

                        The longer I communicate with you, the more I learn new things. I did not know that you have a connection in the Chinese embassy. wink
                      8. 0
                        2 February 2019 10: 59
                        Quote: Bongo
                        I did not know that you have a connection in the Chinese embassy.

                        There are no links yet, but what can you do for the sake of a friend wink
          2. +2
            31 January 2019 02: 13
            If you answer me like this, then you are not very educated.
            I did not insult you, but only asked.

            I apologize if I offended you, but I saw in your question, some doubt about the adequacy of the previous comment
            The hour is not far when they will surpass us in aviation.
            and since, in my opinion, this is obvious, then I reacted somewhat excessively ...
            but in general I agree with most of the following comments regarding the state of education in Russia. Under the current system, hoping for some kind of progress in science and technology is unrealistic. In the best case, everything will be limited to single samples, or an extremely small series. One can only dream of mass production. Especially taking into account the fact that recruiters of foreign companies graze across Russia, and any promising student studying in a technical specialty related to programming or the aerospace industry takes notes from the 2nd - 3rd year, then to lure him to work for a hill in a foreign company . And our state is not doing anything about this ...
            1. +1
              31 January 2019 11: 12
              Quote: AnderS
              I apologize if I offended you,

              Is accepted.

              Quote: AnderS
              recruiters of foreign companies, and any promising student, graze around Russia

              Headhunters graze here, offer relocation and promise mountains of gold.
              In addition to them, there are a couple of local oligarchs who select candidates from among intelligent students.
              They conclude long-term contracts, according to which their training is sponsored, and the student is obliged to work with the sponsor for a certain number of years.
              At least these remain in the country ...
      2. +6
        30 January 2019 12: 57
        Quote: Mister X
        Do you really think that this is possible?

        Mikhail, I understand that it is difficult for you from Moldova to judge the processes taking place in Russia. But what do you say about the future of the country in which, at the same time as raising taxes and the retirement age, reduce funding for health, education and science?
        1. +1
          30 January 2019 14: 06
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          But what do you say about the future of the country in which, at the same time as raising taxes and the retirement age, reduce funding for health care,

          hi
          Not only in the Russian Federation this happens.
          Not the latest information, but for example, come down.
          The measures introduced in many countries were mainly aimed at immediate cost savings, rather than improving the efficiency and quality of health spending.
          In Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy and Portugal, measures included a comprehensive reduction in national health budgets;
          in Austria, Belgium, Greece, Ireland, Spain, the Netherlands and Portugal - cuts in pharmaceuticals and other medical supplies;
          in the Czech Republic, Ireland, Spain and Estonia, cuts to medical institutions;
          in the Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Slovenia, the United Kingdom and the Czech Republic - pay cuts.

          IMF journal "Finance and Development".

          If you dig - you can find examples in the field of education and science.
          1. +8
            30 January 2019 14: 26
            Quote: Mister X
            Not only in the Russian Federation this happens.
            Not the latest information, but for example, come down.

            And let's compare the level of income and life expectancy in these countries and the Russian Federation?
            We in the Far East have an average life expectancy for men - 63 of the year.
            1. +1
              30 January 2019 16: 19
              hi
              Quote: Bongo
              And let's compare life expectancy in these countries and the Russian Federation

              From the WHO European health report 2018
              Over the past 5, life expectancy in the European Region has increased by more than 1 a year.
              However, the gap between countries with the highest and lowest life expectancy is 11,5 of the year.

              That is, and there is not always smooth. Apparently, talking about the Baltic States and the Warsaw Pact countries.

              Speaking of health of Europeans - another quote.
              Europe ranks first in the world in the prevalence of tobacco use: every 3-th resident of the Region smokes over 15 years.
              Over half of all residents of the Region are overweight, and in most European countries there are tendencies to further increase in rates of both overweight and obesity.

              So Europe faces a sharp drop in life expectancy.

              Quote: Bongo
              compare income

              In Europe, it is definitely higher. However, as the level of costs.
              And given the prices of tobacco and alcohol - they are not so much delayed.
            2. +3
              30 January 2019 23: 00
              Quote: Bongo
              We in the Far East have an average life expectancy for men - 63 of the year.

              Sergei! Hey. And you do not overstate the life expectancy in the Far East? Something seems to me overestimated, about five years?
              1. +2
                31 January 2019 02: 15
                Quote: Amurets
                Sergei! Hey. And you do not overstate the life expectancy in the Far East? Something seems to me overestimated, about five years?

                Official statistics ... request
                1. +2
                  31 January 2019 03: 24
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Official statistics ...

                  He lies like VTsIOM, EAR of Moscow, and other officialdom.
      3. +8
        30 January 2019 13: 35
        Quote: Mister X
        Do you really think that this is possible?

        If domestic policy in Russia does not change, then completely. However, the changes aimed at the development of the country and the improvement of the welfare of the population under the current government are impossible. No.
        1. 0
          30 January 2019 17: 42
          Quote: Bongo
          If domestic policy in Russia does not change, then completely.

          Well, not only fools at the helm.

          Quote: Bongo
          changes aimed at the development of the country and the improvement of the welfare of the population under the current government are impossible

          Does the people suggest something or at least discuss the situation?

          For example, we mainly in the kitchen for a glass of tea;)
          Mass political demonstrations do not count. Most likely they are staged.
          I would have believed if people came out to demand a reduction in utility bills. And not to the square, but in front of the building of the service provider.
          Those who have really fought for us over their rights have been teachers. But they were heard only a couple of years later, on the eve of the elections.
          1. +4
            31 January 2019 02: 17
            Quote: Mister X
            Well, not only fools at the helm.

            They are not fools, and work well in your pocket.
            Quote: Mister X
            Does the people suggest something or at least discuss the situation?

            I will be mercilessly and instantly banned, if I begin to repeat what I hear about the authorities every day.
            1. +3
              31 January 2019 13: 48
              Quote: Bongo
              I will be mercilessly and instantly banned, if I begin to repeat what I hear about the authorities every day.

              Sergei two years ago, I propose to write you a review article about the Far East. Then they are unlikely to be banned. What the people say will really be banned, because the Sobolevsky commissar and boatswain from the "Individual Approach" are dilettantes in the Far East mat. For those who are interested, this is the population in the Amur Region. full details can be found on the internet. That's all the people in the entire Far East.
              According to the Federal State Statistics Service, the population of the region is 793 people. (627). The population density is 2019 people / km² (2,19). The urban population is 2019 [67,78]% (7).
              Sergey, you know statistics on the Khabarovsk Territory without me, I won’t give it. People are leaving, this can be considered one of the types of protest.
              1. +4
                1 February 2019 04: 37
                Quote: Amurets
                Sergey two years ago, I proposed to write you a review article about the Far East. Then hardly banned.

                You know, of course you can write, and it is even likely to publish it. Over the past two years, it has only become worse, since in the 2018 year, the population of Komsomolsk, according to official data, declined by more than 1000 people. But who cares? even authors writing on the Military Review confuse Khabarovsk Territory with Primorsky and sincerely believe that the Tatar Strait is the Sea of ​​Japan. wassat
                It is morally easier for me to write about military equipment and I don’t want to poison my soul by describing Far Eastern realities, especially since they are not interesting to anyone in the central part of the country.
                1. +3
                  1 February 2019 05: 53
                  Quote: Bongo
                  It is morally easier for me to write about military equipment and I don’t want to poison my soul by describing Far Eastern realities, especially since they are not interesting to anyone in the central part of the country.

                  Interesting, oh, how interesting! There is a portal "East of Russia". https://www.eastrussia.ru/
                  publiso This is an information and analytical agency
                  "East of Russia" behold. This is really all local news. I do not understand why, the central media, most likely it is unprofitable not to publish information about the regular meetings of the LADIES with the Chinese Prime Minister, but "Zhemin Ribao" regularly issues such information that you grab your head. I did not look for reports of his visits in late October, early November 2017 and 2018. There is no fake information, like we will come and take everything, these are specific plans that the Chinese wanted to develop in the Khabarovsk Territory and the Amur Region.
  4. +4
    30 January 2019 08: 43
    thanks to the author of the article, very interesting
  5. +5
    30 January 2019 08: 50
    Interestingly, the Chinese control was harder than ours on the assembly.
    1. +8
      30 January 2019 11: 39
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Interestingly, the Chinese control was harder than ours on the assembly.

      In China, for fake drugs, they are imprisoned for 10 for years or even shot.
      I am sure that the military industry is even stricter.
      1. +6
        30 January 2019 11: 50
        By the way, for the corruption in especially large, the death penalty is also supposed.
        1. +4
          30 January 2019 19: 58
          But in Russia, an economic crime is not criminal and the person who committed it is not arrested, but given a subpoena, in the USSR, they were also shot in the case of especially large economic crimes, it can return this practice, you look and the oligarchs decrease.
  6. -4
    30 January 2019 09: 01
    no matter how cool the Chinese are thieves number one in the military industry, and if the United States and Russia have their own face in technology. then China has a hodgepodge everywhere, especially in aviation
    1. +8
      30 January 2019 10: 25
      Wow, I love such a statement, especially if you remember how the Soviet Union and the United States arose jet aircraft based on the achievements of the 3rd Reich ...
  7. +5
    30 January 2019 09: 36
    A large / efficient economy - when shooting the most greedy / impudent officials - investments in education / science / R&D - the successes of the military-industrial complex. And first, adequate power.
  8. +5
    30 January 2019 10: 36
    You read the article and enjoy Sergey thanks a lot.
  9. +7
    30 January 2019 11: 49
    According to the Ministry of Science and Technology of the PRC, in 2018, the share of total expenditures on research and development / R&D / is estimated at 2,15 percent of GDP. The total number of personnel engaged in research and development reached 4,18 million people. The total number of international scientific papers is in second place, and in the number of applications for patents for inventions - first in the world. The number of high-tech enterprises reached 181 thousand, while the number of small and medium-sized science and technology enterprises increased to 130 thousand. The volume of technical contracts concluded amounted to 1,78 trillion yuan. According to estimates, the level of contribution to scientific and technological progress exceeded 58,5 percent, and the country's integrated innovative potential takes 17th place in the world.

    In Russia in 2016, the number of researchers in the country amounted to 428,9 thousand people, it is higher only in China (1,69 million), the USA (1,38 million) and Japan (665 thousand). Relative indicators also record a significant lag of the Russian Federation from competitors: in terms of the number of researchers per 10 thousand employees, it occupies only 34th place (60 against, for example, 144 in Sweden and 138 in Korea). This situation can be explained by the indicator of internal R&D expenses per researcher ($ 93 thousand) - the Russian Federation takes only 47th for it request
  10. +4
    30 January 2019 15: 52
    to the author, as always, a fat plus good
  11. +2
    30 January 2019 22: 03
    Good article, thanks.
  12. +2
    30 January 2019 23: 37
    Quote: AnderS
    Do you really think that this is possible?
    With the resources China invests, not even in the production of military aviation, but in the training of engineering and technical personnel for work in Chinese aviation research institutes and the general increase in the level of education in China, the moment when the Chinese air forces will surpass the Russian ones is only a matter of time. I am not familiar in detail with the capabilities of the Chinese aircraft industry, but now the Chinese produce more military aircraft per year than Russia. Yes, even if they are worse than the Russian ones, but with the capabilities of the Chinese aviation industry, they can stupidly crush the masses. This is despite the fact that education in Russia now comes down mainly to preparing for the exam, not to mention the development of the aviation industry.
    Well, yes, well, yes, Just look, read how much the "Cultural Revolution" threw science and education in the PRC? Sergei, you only touched on aviation, and then not completely. But after Damansky, in 1969, when the first trophies of the Soviet weapons and military equipment fell, a year later, with the defeated design bureaus and research institutes, the Chinese were able to organize the production of the secret, newest, at that time equipment of the T-62 tank.