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Thank you for stating the fact.

The American edition of The BuzzFeed came out with material that has already caused a real storm of emotions, especially in Ukraine and in the USA. The article, in which the publication refers to two diplomatic sources, states that Donald Trump called the Crimea Russian during the G7 summit in Canada.





Trump called the Crimea Russian. Hysteria in Ukraine


Trump is a man of his word. Today gave the word. Tomorrow took the floor. Who has forgotten - let us recall the case of sending a pair of carrier-based strike groups to the shores of the Korean Peninsula with Trump’s statements to literally incinerate the DPRK within a few days. After that, it turned out that AUG was dodging somewhere in the region of either Australia or Indonesia, and therefore did not grow together with the "incineration". This is to the fact that we personally do not experience any euphoria about what Trump called the Crimea Russian. Unless, for a statement of fact - thanks!

Comments from our readers:

newcomer
Normal course of events. Only it is not clear, is it a bargaining, or a statement of fact?


ALEXXX1983
How could he! Now Ukraine urgently needs to make its sanctions list ... (I do not remember the name).


polpot
My job is to tell the truth, not to make you believe in it. Jean-Jacques Rousseau.


petrol cutter
As a Crimean, this news makes me happy, but ... Trump said one thing today, another tomorrow, the day after tomorrow they will say that he was misunderstood ... So the whole thing is ...


Worth it, buzzing. Briefly about our drum drone

Russia will soon be armed with a heavy percussion drone. We are talking about UAV "Altius-O" mass 7,5 tons (previously announced 5 tons), capable of making long flights.

Results of the week. We would apples rejuvenating yes water live glass


Media: The first Russian heavy drone drone has already been created


Well, as created ... Already almost about ...

Well, how heavy and shock ... Weighed, like, weighed, and no one has yet checked the "impact".

And let, in the end. Let's say - secret development - let the thief be afraid when he hears a buzz, even in the media ...

Comments from our readers:

nesvobodnye
Judging by the fact that the engines are German, there is a chance not to start it at all. Will block Nemetchina oxygen and all.


VO3A
The problem in the information environment and systems that provide flight, obtaining information from the UAV and its use in real time in the form of targeting for all, I emphasize for all combat systems ... We do not have this information environment, we do not have Combat Information Systems for waging a modern war ... Enough for our General Staff to wander with impossible fantasies ... Develop a concept, work out requirements and place an order for the creation of Combat Information Systems ... We have a great weaponbut it doesn’t know where to shoot ... And the most offensive thing is that we can do everything, only these leaders don’t catch up with the dull ones ...


t-4
Againnews"about the distant future. By the way, this has already been discussed in 2011 year.


senima56
And how well it began: "The first Russian heavy drone drone has already been created! ....", but then "... at what stage is the development, does not say anything .." And then it was worth the "shake the air"?


And the General has not yet seen the Topol at the borders?

From the statement of the Ukrainian General Romanenko:
"They only focused on our border 4 missile brigades" Iskander "with nuclear warheads. And Putin, after the annexation of the Crimea, said that they were ready to use tactical nuclear weapons. ”



Ukrainian general: Russia pulled nuclear weapons to our borders


What do you mean, only Iskander? Allow me, please, pan-general ... And you don’t think that poplars growing in the Russian Federation’s regions bordering on Ukraine are you? It is in vain. After all, a Chressor is so cunning that it could easily use rows of trees for wood-leaf disguise of nuclear weapons. Infa 200%.

Comments from our readers:

Alexander Romanov
Apparently, the next increase in tariffs for water, gas, etc. is coming. Before each rise, rumors about a forthcoming Russian attack crawl through Ukraine.


DEDPIHTO
And when we raise prices for everything, we have to wait for a quick attack by Ukraine ...
And what, a very convenient excuse ...


rich
“Ukrainian general:“ Russia pulled nuclear weapons to our borders ”
as well as tanks with a "newcomer" and laser guns.


samarin1969
This "cry of the general" is a link in one chain. The dream of Ukrainian politicians is that Europe contain and feed Ukraine. That scare nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation.


Do not troll five zero

The Russian society will morally support the national football team, and then the team will definitely win. Everyone believes in this, from attacking to goalkeeper. We share the same faith with the players!



Our word is harder Parmesan. Championship mistress welcomes guests
Football Championship and the kick of the West in Russia


Evil tongues say that every missed goal by the Saudis at the opening World Cup 2018 with the Russians brought Riyadh closer to acquiring Russian C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. And 5: 0 in favor of the Russian national team, in addition, sweetened the pill of the government decision to move to the most stringent version of the pension reform and raise the VAT rate. Although, no one has yet canceled the “good and bad cop” option, and therefore there may be surprises with the final version of the pension reform. Vaughn and Peskov says: patience, ladies and gentlemen, only patience - “experts will think.” It's good that this option is still in their configuration ...

Comments from our readers:

zyzx
KGB is working. First, the Egyptians have spoiled the death laser of Sallah, then at the likely rivals in 1 / 8, the Spaniards, the coach, the result was fired, and so it will be with everyone who is on our way.


nadezhiva
I alone overslept in the morning the third world and the first turns of the fourth?
About the possibility of provocations did not write today only lazy. All analysts over the past 1,5 months have been wagging together about the last chance for drunkards. But with the next turns of the fourth world war, this is somehow a bust.


Igor V
Come on, stop whining. Everyone understands that our team is in no way, but nobody canceled the World Cup! We will watch world football!


Indian Air Force

The Indian Air Force refused to purchase an additional batch of Su-30MKI fighters. The Air Force Command explained its decision with the alleged "high cost of service." The India Today publication writes that during the Gaganshakti exercise, the Indian Air Force found that the cost of operating the Su-30MKI aircraft was “higher than that of other Western-made aircraft per flight hour.”



Indian Air Force refused to buy Russian Su-30MKI
Who decided to abandon the joint FGFA program with the Russian Federation. In India, looking for a scapegoat


Today they refused to buy, tomorrow they will again look for someone who dared to make this decision. A typical “Bollywood” in which everyone dances with expressive facial expressions, and in the end they are acquired by brothers and sisters. This is to say that the Indian opinion is like a windy mammiel - wants something at the moment, but does not know exactly what it is - either a glass of champagne, or marriage ...

Comments from our readers:

Aaron Zawi
So the lobby of Tejes has passed.


Muvka
Wait, tomorrow there will be a reverse news. Not the first time.


keeper03
They still do not know how much Rafale service costs.


senima56
Hindus have always taken the "starvation"! Suffice it to recall our converted (according to their requirements) aircraft carrier (formerly Admiral Gorshkov)! They will be a year, two, three hollow and hollow .... and you are ready even to pay extra, if only this "badaga" is over! It seems that our people understood this and stopped going on about!


Israeli Federal District

The Syrian government army has deployed the Pantsir-S1 missile-cannon complexes in the area of ​​the Golan Heights occupied by Israel.



The Syrian army transferred the Pantsir complexes to the Golan Heights area
Attempt to break under Palmyra stopped: Russian VKS crushed a convoy of militants


Israel, of course, attended to. He says that the Pantsirei crews will now take a pencil and a gunshot sight. In the persistent conviction of a neighboring state with Syria, the Syrian army, by definition, has no right to what is called protection of its sovereignty and its interests in Israel itself. Ukrainians say that we (Russia) are somewhat alike with Israel.

And we always said: we have nothing to share with Israel, and therefore welcome 86-th subject of the Russian Federation with the creation of the Israeli federal district. And you think why Abramovich is already there ... A little bit ... A hard way home ...

Comments from our readers:

Opera
Well, the very correct decision of the Syrians! Did someone tell them?)


win
At the last G20 summit, when Putin was walking down the corridor,
the leaders of several countries tried to break through to him shouting “I only ask!”
They were interested in the possibility of acquiring C-400, “Buk” and “Pantsir” preventive anti-infectious agents from Russia to prevent the dangerous transfer of the democracy virus from Western countries by an aircraft-rocket route.


kig
At last interaction is adjusted! Militants are sent to our sector, where they are met by the VKS.


Broke into

Russian top officials have repeatedly made it clear to Kiev that the resumption of large-scale hostilities that pose a threat to the genocide of the civilian population of Donbass is a “red line” whose intersection will force Moscow to take measures to curb aggression and protect people's lives.



Forcing Kiev to peace: the possible scope of the operation outlined by Putin
Russia, capitulate!
Last chance of Donbass
The Kremlin confirmed the seriousness of Putin’s statement on Ukraine


In the meantime, the borders were drawn, the Ukrainian light wars continued to peel on the suburbs of Gorlovka and Donetsk, sparing no calibers. In the DPR, they decided - “got it!” And as it is now fashionable to say: “enough is to endure it!” As a result, they broke into under Gorlovka to bombard Republican territory with no one and nothing else. The firing points of the APU still smoke. The cyborg headquarters have already prepared a resolution “Do we really want something?”

Comments from our readers:

Sailor
If you remember in 2014, the GDP also warned the Ukrainian Armed Forces that they would see the bombing of the civilian population and nothing happened. These are all loud words, and local oligarchs will be offended because of the sanctions.


Strashila
Like any abscess, it must break through ... there is no money in Ukraine, the horror show has dragged on ... the directors are tired ... the clowns have become boring and are not amusing, the money has long run out ... to go, like all occupants, to finance by the occupied it did not work ... they themselves demand money for their occupation. Therefore, the meat grinder is budgeted ... after it, some village council will remain from Ukraine ... so clean for fun ... the victory of democracy on a separate farm.


aszzz888
Presumably, GDP was not joking about this issue. Yes, and do not joke with such things in principle, so that ukronatsistam "note".


Heir to the Belarusian throne

Journalists drew attention to a remarkable episode in Chinese Qingdao. President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko arrived in Qingdao for the summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, but not alone, but with his son Nikolay. And Lukashenko Jr. sat down next to Alexander Grigorievich in a row of chairs prepared for the heads of the SCO member states.

It should be noted that young Nikolai is not the first time accompanying Lukashenka Sr. at major political events. For example, Nikolai with his father visited the CIS summit in Bishkek.



At the SCO summit, Nikolai Lukashenko sat in one row with heads of state


In Russia, there are "castling" of prime ministers and presidents, based on the institution of successors, and in Belarus, the authorities prefer the succession to the throne. It is precisely this conclusion that is suggested by the situation with Kolya, who is sitting in a high foreign chair. The boy born 2004, sitting on an equal footing not only with the Pope, but also with the leaders of other states!

Comments from our readers:

kefan
The old man is already preparing his successor.


Looking Petrovich
Maidan, unfortunately, is preparing himself. Belarus is not Asia, this number will not work.


viralig
No, not cooking, but showing everyone who the next owner.


The black
But why carp, Kolya has holidays !!!


viralig
Vacation is a rest: a forest, a river, sport, a favorite thing. And this is the great Wishlist of his dad, and so far nothing more.


Svarog
Wishers will all come to life with him, we have been living in a feudal society for a long time, which will soon turn into a slave society in general.


Under the code "Basurmanin"

The Russian Ministry of Defense is completing the test cycle of the upgraded infantry fighting vehicle BMP-1, passing at the test site of the 38-th Research Institute of Armored Vehicles (Kubinka, Moscow Region). The project developer is Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation JSC. As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the project received the cipher "Basurmanin", deliveries to the troops of the upgraded BMP are scheduled for 2019 year.



Defense Ministry finishes test "Basurmanin"


As for the modernization, instead of the turret with 73-2 “Thunder” X-mm anti-tank gun, 28-mm machine gun and Malyutka anti-tank system, the machine will receive a combat module from the BTR-7,62. The module is equipped with a two-plane stabilizer, which allows the gunner to fire while the vehicle is moving, and electric drives. A combined round-the-clock stabilized sight TKN-82GA was installed, which makes it possible to use the weapon of the combat module both day and night. The sight is equipped with a channel for remote detonation of ammunition. The main armament is an automatic X-NUMX-4 automatic X-gun caliber of 2 mm caliber. Auxiliary - PKTM machine gun caliber 72 mm.

Comments from our readers:

Safevi
Well, the name!


ANCIENT
It's not just the name. Could five years ago hold a competition among companies, choose an option and carry out modernization even earlier! Here the main negative - a very weak booking, and to be honest, its absence! And the new version in this regard does not change anything!


bazzbazz
It feels like the 30-mm gun is already weak. Need 40-50 mm.


Coincidence? I do not think so!

A week before the start of the World Cup, it became clear that the raids of the desert units of the Igilovsky pseudo-caliphate (ISIS, ISIL, banned in the Russian Federation) on the fortified areas of the Syrian and Hezbollah government forces, as well as a point strike by the US Air Force on military facilities of the CAA near the ThinumX station, were not a coincidence. Analyst E. Damancev interprets these attacks as a chain of “interconnected local military actions of the Western coalition aimed at quick“ softening ”of the defense capability of the separate CAA units in southern Syria before a decisive blow.”



Worst scenario for Damascus and Moscow in action: the United States organized a deserted slaughter for attrition


Apparently, this decisive blow will take place when most of the elite brigades and divisions of the Assad troops will be busy preparing the operation to free the southern oppositional and terrorist enclave of Dar-Al-Suweida-Quneitra.

Comments from our readers:

Mikhail m
"Just one week before the start of the World Cup (FIFA-2018) ..."
Very significant remark. Is there an event in the world, from drought in the Sahara to frosts in Antarctica, which does not affect the World Cup?
I apologize for the comment not on the topic of the article, but the threats to the World Cup were simply surrounded on all sides. Than the attempts of Ukraine in the Donbas or the actions of militants in Syria prevent the ball from kicking? Is that preparing an advance explanation of the game of our team. LIH prevented the win! (If anything, I remind you, the organization is banned in Russia. Suddenly, no one else knows.)


siberalt
I do not understand, and what is the connection between the Syrian desert and the Moscow World Cup? Some do not sew a sleeve.


NordUral
The bundle is simple - to fool our heads, washing up with this sickly world championship, with olympiads, our obvious mistake in Syria. Games with Israel, tolerance with the States give and gave the opportunity to LIH (whatever you call it) to wake up and re-equip. Yes, threw some money.
For the sake of the March elections, all these blunders were retouched by loud reports of victories, behind which the States and the West in general concealed a new offensive of the bandits.
And the oil fields of the Kurds. And we are told that 90% of the population of Syria lives on land freed from bandits, but no one says how many percent of this land is a lifeless desert.
And if you got involved on the side of Syria, then hammer all igilovtsev, as they call themselves, without looking to the West.
Otherwise it will end badly.


America is a bastion of freedom

The American edition of The National Interest publishes material reporting on the United States' Achilles Heel. The Achilles heel, according to David Pyne, the author of the material, is nuclear disparity. Pine, who holds a master's degree in national security research at Georgetown University, believes the United States needs to immediately begin to increase the pace of submarine nuclear fleet with nuclear missiles. We are talking about the Ohio submarine project.

According to Pine, an important step that Mr. Trump could take is a step away from the “new limitations of the START Treaty.” The expert considers the fulfillment of these restrictions “unverifiable”. Next, the analyst extols the great American homeland:

America is an example for the world and continues to serve as a great bastion of freedom and hope for the hundreds of millions of ordinary people who live under communist and Islamist tyranny and oppression, but America can maintain this status only if Congress now takes measures to protect against the threat of nuclear attacks.




American expert: submarines "Ohio" will respond to America's nuclear destruction


Apparently, expert Pine still considers Putin’s stronghold of communism and Soviet tyranny. Something like that was thought in the seventies and eighties by American strategists who were trying to win the Cold War. And they, by the way, won: the honor of the victory over the "commies" belongs to R. Reagan, the idol of the current President Trump.

However, Russia 2018, it is very difficult to call the "communist tyranny." In addition, for the Russian oligarchs, America is just the most worthy example in the attracting field of mining chistogana. In a word, there is no difference in ideological platforms between the United States and the Russian Federation. “Islamist tyranny” is also quite difficult to call Russia, even with the American expert stretch.

Probably, analysts will come up with any hypothesis and any “justification”, just to find a reason for rejecting the “new limitations of the START Treaty.” But did Mr. Trump ever need a reason? Had the analyst heard of Mr. Trump's decision on the Iran deal?

Comments from our readers:

siberalt
Another scarecrow about the Russian nuclear threat. A MIC is difficult to feed.


hrych
Well, after the unveiling of the surprises of Uncle Vova, indeed, one of the effective arguments of the United States is Ohio. The same "Poseidon", of course, for the attack of megalopolises and bases, including the bases of submarines. The same Avangard and the Kyrgyz Republic with YASU, etc. Naturally, in order to maintain the potential for a guaranteed response, it is necessary to drive out its carriers to the patrol areas.


Boa kaa
... That's the way it is, but there is a cycle of use of forces, that is to say: carrying the BS, post-hitting APO and CPD, rest and training of crews, docking, repairs ... And all this translates into KOH SSBN. The Americans have two carriages, but the horse is one. Therefore, so long will not stretch: Bolivar will not sustain two!
And the fact that during the period of danger all combat-ready forces will run up along their own RBDs, so even without this “master” the command of the submarine forces of the US Navy is known.
So this is for civilians, for comfort, for the needs of the day. And the Pentagon’s hemorrhoids are different: they are naked in front of the new beaters of Uncle Vova. That's the problem! And the old means can not solve this problem.
Somehow, however.


Anger in Samurai Heart

The Japanese Defense Ministry appealed to the command of the US military contingent on the crash of the American F-15 aircraft assigned to the Kaden airbase. An American fighter fell into the water in Okinawa, about 80 km from the city of Naha. It is known that during the ejection the pilot broke his leg. He was taken to Foster Hospital (Okinawa American Occupation Zone).

The head of Okinawa Prefecture on the incident said:

There is nothing in my feelings but anger. It was a direct threat to the local population. Only by luck, none of the local people was injured.




In Japan, the American F-15 crashed. Okinawa Governor Expresses Anger


How dare a person registered in the American occupation zone make statements and indicate to the owner?

The only thing the head of the local prefecture was entitled to was the expression of regret for the injured pilot. He could also declare a national fundraising for the purchase of a new aircraft for the US Air Force.

Comments from our readers:

Thrall
Harakiri is not enough yet.


The black
The Japanese seem to want Trump to raise duties on their cars by 50%.
"Harakiri is not enough yet." Just about, and before that let the American boot, proud samurai, kisses ...


210ox
You can express your anger at the gates of the American base ... Where are you, the governor (and you on your own land) will not let the barrier go?


They are afraid of Russians tanks

In Germany, they summed up the results of the European tank biathlon, which was held at the base of the training center of the US Command 7 Army, located at the Grafenwer military training ground in Bavaria. As a result, the German crews on tanks Leopard 2A6 took first place, on the second Swedes settled on the Stridsvagn 122, on the third - the Austrians on Leopard 2A4. In addition, the Americans won a separate nomination for sniper shooting at Abrams M1A2.



In Germany, summed up the European tank biathlon


The highlight of biathlon today has become the overcoming of special obstacles - cars. The video presented below and filmed during the next stage of the Strong Europe Tank Challenge competition shows teams performing on Abrams M1A2 (USA), Challenger II (Great Britain) and Leopard 2A5 (Poland) tanks.



Competitions were held for the third time. Teams from NATO countries and allies participate in the annual biathlon.

Comments from our readers:

Kasandra
And they are afraid to invite Russians and they don’t come to us ... Eh, West, you are afraid of Russian tankers !!!


MPN
Well, once, in 45, we went to them ... :))


svp67
And it would be interesting to go ... Only with the expectation that we are to them, and they are to us. Let's compare the level of training and coordination of units in their field and the level of technology and crew training - in our…


Russian pensioners get rich

14 June at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers from Dmitry Medvedev, who had long been accustomed to the role of a "lightning rod" (the worst boyar of the ideal Putin), received a creative proposal to gradually increase the retirement age: for men to 65 years, for women - to 63 years. With the transition period, the government will not postpone: it (the period) will begin next year, if, of course, the State Duma passes the law in the proper number of readings. And she, of course, will. Where to take doubts? After all, our deputies are not American congressmen, who are easily blocking the decisions of their presidents. We have complete unity of all branches of power, complete stability, we do not need Maidan, we are waiting for a bright future. How many years (more precisely, epochs) are waiting, historians will tell.

Dmitry Medvedev said that the transition period will begin in the 2019 year, and will last until the 2028 year (this is the designated period for raising the retirement age for men) and until the 2034 year (the term for women). The prime minister also said that current retirees will not be affected by raising the retirement age, and pensions will grow by about a thousand rubles a year.

Here it is, the urgent fulfillment of Putin’s covenants by the government: on the wooden one for the brother! Annually! Significant increase!

Let us recall the words of Putin, which he recently said on the “Straight Line”: “As for the retirement age, you know my position, I have always treated and are very cautious and careful about this today. One of the key tasks that I formulated before the government is to increase the incomes of pensioners, and a significant increase. ”



Citizens, take care of the government!
All Russia applauds! On the knees
Economic provocation at the opening of the World Cup
The government made a final decision on raising the retirement age.


So get rich not for long! Maybe in offshore pensioners will start investing dollars soon. Following the example of our rapidly growing rich against the background of the impoverished country of the oligarchs. And citizenship will buy - who in Malta, who in Cyprus. Again, following the example of other Russian patriots.

There are other economic reports from the socio-political front. It has been proposed to raise the VAT rate from 18% to 20%. If you raise a bet by a couple of percentage points, then for six years Putin’s budget can grow almost two trillion rubles.

Exactly this amount will lose pockets and wallets of taxpayers.

Apparently, the government decided to go ahead with bad news. The championship with a ball and the first five heads will soften the social blow! We are all fans, all seventy-seven, eighty-six, one hundred and forty-six percent! What is our pension, what is our VAT, if our guys are scoring goals! That's where the real economy is. And we all have to work, to work a little more, two by two, three jobs each, otherwise there’s no bright future. And so we will live in a dark present, illuminated only by the lights of giant stadiums.

Comments from our readers:

Moore
I agree, alas, with all the thoughts of the author.
Actually, this was expected: the last six-year-old will be filled with the most unpopular decisions.
But why the latter? Maybe a group of comrades on their knees will be able to beg for a lifetime stay of a popular manager on the gallery?
And yes, the boyars continue to otzhigat:
Dmitry Kozak promised that gasoline prices will not rise to 100 rubles per liter.
Hooray, citizens! Well, at least grow in the Baltics, a liter for an EUREK, - this is nonsense, right?


siberalt
You will have to pay more for unemployment benefits than for pensions. Then what's the point to save on the elderly? The general global trend is production automation. In the same Europe, there is practically no work with a full-time job or a week. In the USSR, there was an inviolable principle: no new law can worsen those acting in relation to the rights of workers, children, the disabled and retirees. As you can see, the liberals also took what our fathers and grandfathers fought for and shed blood. Now we have taken away not only faith in the future, but the very future.
Surely Putin does not understand that the pension reform with increasing age will hit him in the first place? And no Rosguards will not help. Without a referendum is not enough. But for this you need to declassify all the data on our demographics, and not “assign” everyone to live up to 80 years.


RainTNT
The one who ate Bush's legs, drank spirit “Piano”, and now eats palm oil and cheap sausage, is unlikely to live to 65 age.


g16.ru
It is obvious that any power is fed at the expense of the population of the country that governs. But at the same time, any normal government takes care of its “food supply” and develops it. Judging by what is happening, the current authorities and the advising it decided to forget about the project of "great Russia", remove the cream and go off home. Otherwise, what is happening can not be explained. No one cuts the goose that lays the golden eggs, at least as long as it hopes to get those same eggs.
I used to support Putin and thought that I understand where the country is heading. I was wrong.


Borik
Long live our humane government! Cheers, comrades! Now everything is at the point of distribution of the rejuvenating apples or for the pills for ailments and old age! And then to retire some people will not live.
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  1. +32
    17 June 2018 04: 54
    Regarding the lack of money for the payment of pensions ... 16.6 (sixteen and six tenths) percent of all the money transferred to the pension fund goes to the maintenance of this pension fund itself ... There is nothing more to say.
    1. dSK
      +11
      17 June 2018 05: 02
      Quote: Vard
      for the maintenance of this same pension fund
      We have capitalism, and with it the “wage gap” is “not normalized”.
      Kudrin, a “cadre” Gaidar man, proposed to carry out the pension reform “at once” so that, as he puts it, “not to chop the dog’s tail in parts.”
      1. dSK
        +5
        17 June 2018 05: 15
        Participants in the Russian tripartite commission (RTK) on the regulation of social and labor relations did not agree on a government project to raise the retirement age; RTK includes representatives of the government, business and trade unions.
        As the RBC With reference to the draft decision of the commission approved at the meeting, business supported the government project only on the condition that the calculations and statistics that formed the basis of the bill be provided. Unions opposed government initiative.
        Women, possibly men, are likely to have a decrease in "supplementation."
        1. +20
          17 June 2018 05: 21
          Alas, it seems like they just bred us upstairs ... At first they scare to ... And then they offer a more gentle option and they all sigh of relief ...
          1. +4
            17 June 2018 15: 29
            Quote: Vard
            Alas, it seems like they just bred us upstairs ... At first they scare to ... And then they offer a more gentle option and they all sigh of relief ...

            suckers will still go after the sun.
        2. dSK
          +3
          17 June 2018 05: 28
          Russian society will morally support the domestic football team, and then the team will definitely win.
          Another good outcome of the visit of the Saudi prince to Moscow: "Representatives of Russia and Saudi Arabia during a meeting in Moscow on Saturday, June 16, agreed to extend the OPEC + agreement on an unlimited basis. Russian Energy Minister Novak said that a basic agreement was reached during the meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman."
          For three days, "oil" has been actively "felled", but below 70 $ they will not be "dropped."
          OPEC + countries during the meeting in Vienna next week will be ready to discuss the issue about indefinite extension agreements with other alliance members, Novak added.
          1. +8
            17 June 2018 14: 02
            Quote from dsk
            For three days, "oil" has been actively "felled", but below 70 $ they will not be "dropped."

            The main thing is not to lift the price up so that the Amer shale muck does not become profitable!
            And $ 70 per barrel - that’s it! And it’s good for us, and amam can’t get out of losses!
      2. +29
        17 June 2018 05: 50
        Quote from dsk
        Kudrin, a “cadre” Gaidar man, proposed to carry out the pension reform “at once” so that, as he puts it, “not to chop the dog’s tail in parts.”

        I propose initiating a referendum on the size of salaries and pensions for the servants of the people and vote. So that in power there are fewer mediocrity who come only to fill their pockets. They come with a prepared pathological hatred for ordinary citizens, because they feed this BREAKTHROUGH with their labor ...
        1. +3
          17 June 2018 12: 18
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I propose initiating a referendum on the size of salaries and pensions for the servants of the people and vote. So that in power there are less mediocrity


          You know, I think this will not help. They do not live on salaries. Well, it’s like in a joke about a Jew in a warehouse: “what, are they still paying salaries?” )
        2. +4
          17 June 2018 13: 07
          I propose initiating a referendum on the size of salaries and pensions for the servants of the people and vote. So that in power there are fewer mediocrity who come only to fill their pockets.

          And hands and feet "FOR" !!!
      3. AUL
        +14
        17 June 2018 07: 39
        We have capitalism, and with it the “wage gap” is “not normalized”.
        A joke question: how do our union bosses feel about this lasciviousness? Something about their reaction is not heard! (Rhetorical question).
        1. +2
          17 June 2018 12: 22
          Quote from AUL
          A joke question: how do our union bosses feel about this lasciviousness? Something about their reaction is not heard! (


          Well, then, they expressed their disagreement. How would they react.))
        2. +1
          18 June 2018 09: 19
          A joke question: how do our union bosses feel about this lasciviousness? Something about their reaction is not heard! (Rhetorical question).

          trade unions have blue flags, and they can be exchanged for rainbow colors (so that there is no doubt about their orientation). It’s not in vain that the most militant unions (for example, the Ford plant) are not members of the federation. All leaders of the trade union federation are members of edrossia, and Medvedev leader.
    2. BAI
      +3
      17 June 2018 09: 31
      about 10 years ago, the average salary in a pension fund was the highest in the country (once such a situation was). Officially, the salaries are small, but there are surcharges. Then, of course, they lost first place - there will be nothing left for pensioners.
      1. +1
        17 June 2018 10: 00
        Quote: BAI
        pensioners will have nothing left.

        Happiness is not in retirement, but, paradoxically as it sounds, in its absence. Why - described in his post below.
        1. dSK
          +1
          17 June 2018 12: 25
          20 1997 June year saw the light of the Law of the Republic of Kazakhstan No. 136-I On Pension Insurance in the Republic of Kazakhstan (a law was adopted with a minimum margin of vote). In 2013, another pension reform was carried out: the Unified Accumulative Pension Fund JSC was created, which combined all the pension funds that existed at that time in the country.
          Retirement age:
          Kazakhstan - husband / wife - 63 / 58,5; Starting January 1, 2018, it is planned to gradually increase the retirement age for women by half a year, over a period of 10 years, with a subsequent increase to 63 years.
          Byelorussia - husband / wives - 61/56; Since 2017, the retirement age begins to gradually increase to 63 for men and 58 years for women.
          1. dSK
            +1
            17 June 2018 13: 47
            Azerbaijan - 63/60, Armenia - 63/63, Georgia - 65/60, Kyrgyzstan - 63/58, Latvia - 65/65, Ukraine - 60 / 58,5.
            Of all the former republics the USSR only Russia and Uzbekistan - 60/55. (wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension_Age)
  2. +19
    17 June 2018 05: 33
    In general, the week was a success! Under the fanfare of the spectacles they climb into a pocket and shout, "give our money back!"
    1. +16
      17 June 2018 07: 31
      yes stop grumbling ... rejoice in the fact that under 5-0 serfdom has not yet been introduced ... and for surviving to 70 they are not attracted for state treason ...
      ... enjoy the "holiday of life" ...
      1. +11
        17 June 2018 07: 53
        Quote: kepmor
        ... enjoy the "holiday of life" ...

        Yes, I enjoyed it. Just moron head sewn back, the night is gone. Damn fucking got caught. That's grumbling
        1. +1
          17 June 2018 11: 54
          yeah ... "pessemist" you, my friend ...
          although living in Russia without pessemism is not comme il faut ... they can take it for a blessed one ...
          1. +3
            17 June 2018 15: 04
            Quote: kepmor
            although living in Russia without pessemism is not comme il faut ... they can take it for a blessed one ...

            We have a little lower one, amnueloid on a kissel-gingerbread fairytale tradition
            "history" of Russia writes.
            True, he doesn’t see the realities and will not give an answer, but why do we have such a loss in demography *? Blaming the USSR ... alas, this is not logically not historical, and demography is no longer confirmed, the notorious Russian cross clearly has borders- 1992 and later.
            And those who were preparing the pension, um coffin reform, did not know what to really do?
            Well, at least so
            "" A large family must be turned into an elite "

            - Again, I will refer to estimates that indicate: to start getting out of the demographic hole, we need income for each family member of 30 thousand rubles and three to four children in each cell of the society, that is, a minimum of 150 thousand rubles of family income. Today, the near and medium term is absolutely unrealistic figures, if you do not take Moscow and St. Petersburg. What to do?"
            "http://zavtra.ru/blogs/v_dejstvuyushih_strategi
            yah_mi_prigovoreni_k_ischeznoveniyu_iz_istorii
            1. +3
              17 June 2018 15: 14
              you are right ... we must ask Olgovich ... what shall we do then ???? ...
              only I would ask this question better to Joseph Vissarionovich ...
              1. +2
                17 June 2018 16: 22
                Quote: kepmor
                I would ask this question better to Joseph Vissarionovich.

                And would have received from him an exhaustive answer, the ideas of the Amnuele, are disastrous for the country.
            2. 0
              18 June 2018 14: 23
              Quote: badens1111
              to start getting out of the demographic hole, we need income for each family member of 30 thousand rubles and three to four children in each cell of the society, that is, a minimum of 150 thousand rubles of family income. Today, the near and medium term is absolutely unrealistic figures, if you do not take Moscow and St. Petersburg. What to do?"
              -this NO will not affect the increase in childbearing. Evidence? The number of children in wealthy, well, there are no 10 children there, even crack!
              Only poor people are forced to breed - in order to survive. Asia, Africa - a living example ...
              Yes, and after the war, we ate a quinoa and multiplied.
              And in greenhouse conditions, there are no fools to breed: "iPhone / car / Egypt .. no, Spain .. no, Mauritius ... career ...
              What children - we have no time !! we need to live a career, make a dog walk ... "
  3. +23
    17 June 2018 05: 45
    I just could not miss my ears and not share with others part of the monologue of Mary London:
    “Two morons are power!” - claims the people. And if there are a lot of them? And if they are endowed with powers and immunity status? This force is not measured, it is quite capable of limeing a population in a single country ...


    And here they are, our strong-mouthed heroes thought, sitting in pairs of more expensive fuel, and decided - that's it! In the sense that it’s enough to walk around the pension reform. How much can you prove that life in Russia has become longer? It’s time to raise the retirement age of the population, “eaten up” palm oil, food additives, dyes and products with well-known names and encrypted with a small string composition. And ... raised. Not that immediately and suddenly, as always from 01.01., But gradually, advancing in six months, narrowing the gap between old age and death. And most importantly:
    Medvedev is the prime minister, he has bent his line,
    Yes, so that no one pickled!
    And he didn’t even mention the money,
    And only grunted sarcastically:
    “The tax is eighteen percent of everything
    And we will remake it at twenty ... "

    And, surprisingly, no one had a question in their heads that people would stop paying increased taxes. Tea is not an oligarch. It was they who took hostility about the topics of progressive personal income tax, but here all are consonants, all are supportive. By the way, to continue this experiment of saving on the vulnerable can eliminate parental capital. This is about 500 rubles !!! You can remove from the state the excessive burden of responsibility for orphans, people with disabilities ... And if you strain up, stretch yourself, then you can make tuition at school paid ... Why spend money on someone? You never know how many of them grow up, and their “children” are nicer. Right "excrementers" some ...


    The road to HELL is lined with good intentions. This road with HIS highest commandment, contrary to HIS promises and HIS honor, has been prepared for us by the new-old government. To what baseness one had to go down in order to declare to the millions of people living from paycheck to paycheck their highest will. None of these converters deigned to cut back their appetites, showed by personal example how fun it is in the seventies to do physical labor in the fresh air ... Eh, if only you knew before. Let’s think, and if this reform, stretched over 15 years (it’s just interesting how boldly these people have measured such a term for themselves?) Will really be good? Suddenly, instead of the miserable 13, our long-suffering pensioners will begin to receive as much as 000 in a few years ... Those who will not break the sores and nervous shocks from this reform will be happy ...

    In my understanding, all this mess created to whip up disturbances in the civilian masses is predictable. Sooner or later, with this attitude, someone can still organize the masses, even if not for a “not very” violent, but a completely constitutional seizure of power, and then, leaving the country with undeveloped production, with debt obligations, the size of which can more than cover budget deficit, with 25 high-tech jobs not created, with a population that has reached degradation and 000, they do not give a damn about the imbalance in the pension and economic systems (these reformers). They will disappear with money, promises and good intentions, leaving us the road to hell created by them with our help and with our participation.

    Thank God that the opening of the World Cup was held. Held without complications. There was a meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un, the consequences of which were expressed only in the high spirits of the American president, who bombarded the Korean leader with promises to live happily ever after. What decided by the results of this meeting, Eun himself remained a mystery. The unleashed economic war of the United States and China resulted in offsetting duties in the amount of $ 50, and it was planned to hang all the dogs in China.

    And one more news, pleasant at first glance, from RIA Novosti. In April, Russia cut its investments in US Treasury securities by almost half - by $ 47,5 billion to $ 48,7 billion, follows from data published on the website of the US Treasury. Russia dropped in the rating of the countries holding these securities from the 16th line to the 22nd. Hooray!!! One not modest (i.e. brazen) question: “WHERE IS MONEY, ZIN?” Or how are you there? Lesh? Dim? Vova? Where did you put them?


    What do you say? Dear Russians! Be prepared to deal with the consequences of the affairs of United Russia! Again and again ... If not you, then who?

    Let me finish on a lyrical note:
    1. dSK
      +2
      17 June 2018 06: 15
      Quote: ROSS 42
      question: “WHERE IS MONEY, ZIN?”

      Our Central Bank regularly buys for the Ministry of Finance $, dispersing the price. That’s why not the Chinese Yuan, for avoiding $$ - dependencies in the calculations, as the president requires? Siluanov, a former "deputy" and a student of Kudrin, is waiting for him at the "premiere"?
    2. +3
      17 June 2018 17: 10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Sooner or later, with this attitude, someone can still organize the masses, even if not for a “not very” violent, but a completely constitutional seizure of power, and then

      In the recent history of Russia, there was one single chance to reverse history. Exactly 20 years ago. And let the local lovers of HPP say what they want, but there was only one for whom L. Ya. Rokhlin posed mortal danger. And this is not EBN, but his faithful heir.
    3. +1
      17 June 2018 17: 43
      All this was clear for a long time in 2000, and in the 10th and 14th. But in 2018, under the slogan “And who else?”, The population unitedly went to the polls. I adore the propaganda developed in Travestok and Stanford. But what with people, completely stupefied?
      1. +3
        17 June 2018 20: 23
        Quote: akula
        .I bow to the propaganda developed in Travestok and Stanford.

        so they don’t hide it

        Quote: akula
        But what about the people, completely stupefied?

        zombie box !!! Like in Banderstadt! The teachers are one, the tasks are different
    4. 0
      18 June 2018 14: 24
      but nothing that the VAT 20% was reduced in 2004, and even earlier it was generally 28% ???
      how did this affect the lives of citizens ??
  4. +1
    17 June 2018 07: 35
    ANYWHERE in the world, in more 0 less developed countries, there are no such low retirement ages as in Russia.
    The population of Russia is aging rapidly.
    Which of those sobbing about raising the retirement age gave birth to three children? Yes, practically NO ONE
    Namely, they could today, while working, provide their father with a pension. And not one or two born by him. In the mirror I would look at this crying ..
    And gas prices in Russia are envied by very, very many. I remember, pouring it into the tank at a price of 1 EUR / liter.
    1. +14
      17 June 2018 07: 52
      And the fact that in many settlements of our vast country, the pensions of the elderly are also fed by the young. Where is it going?
      1. +16
        17 June 2018 09: 56
        Quote: Olgovich
        Which of those sobbing about raising the retirement age gave birth to three children? Yes, practically NOBODY, And it was they who today could, by working, provide their father with a pension. And not one or two born by him. In the mirror I would look at this crying ..

        This is your rotten populist question of bourgeois "liberoids" in favor of Russian and foreign "privatizers" of the 1990-s, who have grown together with state power and turned into an oligarchy in the Russian Federation.
        It is enough, for example, to look at the demographic graph in the Russian Federation by years, on which the so-called "Russian Cross" in the 1991-1992 year, when the birth rate fell below mortality.
        Those. the graph shows when it all started rapidly - a decrease in the birth rate occurred under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And you want to say that the people are to blame for this ?!



        I have a counter question for you. But what about the decline in the birth rate since then, the "democratic" liberal (bourgeois) power of the same Yeltsin was nothing to do with ?! What do you blame for raising the retirement age in the country, irrespective of power, on the working people and the pensioners themselves ?!

        Chubais on the goals of privatization. Posted on: 13 Feb 2010
        1. +1
          17 June 2018 12: 04
          Quote: Tatiana
          This is your rotten populist question of bourgeois "liberoids" in favor of Russian and foreign "privatizers" of the 1990-s, who have grown together with state power and turned into an oligarchy in the Russian Federation.

          You have a rotten proposal: no thought, no question: which liberoids, which privatizers, where did you see them from me? request
          Quote: Tatiana
          Those. the graph shows when it all started rapidly - a decrease in the birth rate occurred under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And you want to say that the people are to blame for this ?!

          If you loved history, you would know: not a single a generation of Russians born after 1910 and entering an active reproductive age, starting from the era of the “great turning point”, from the late 1920s to the beginning of the 1930s, did not reproduce itself. And with 1964 year began the extinction of Russian (depopulation). To help you, http: //www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/t
          ema02.php.
          Those. The Russian Cross is the logical result of many years of activity of people ruling for 70 years.
          The failure in the demography of the 90s was caused by the criminal actions of the EBN communists and others. Gaidarov, and overlapped the rink of falling demographic indicators from previous years.
          All of the above are to blame for changing the demographic behavior of the people.
          Quote: Tatiana
          I have a counter question for you. But what about the decline in the birth rate since then, the "democratic" liberal (bourgeois) power of the same Yeltsin was nothing to do with ?! What do you blame for raising the retirement age in the country, irrespective of power, on the working people and the pensioners themselves ?!

          There is no youth, no one to feed the elderly, this is AXIOM.
          Why is she not? See above.
          1. +7
            17 June 2018 12: 52
            Quote: Olgovich
            Which of those sobbing about raising the retirement age gave birth to three children?
            Here it is your rotten question! Why rotten? Yes, because in response to it, you interchange the cause and effect!
            You are the advocate of Western liberals and Russian pro-Western liberoids, i.e. the globalist bourgeoisie, as such, and starting from the monarchist times.
            Quote: Olgovich
            If you loved history, you would know: not a single generation of Russians born after the 1910 year and having entered an active reproductive age, starting from the era of the “great turning point”, the end of the 1920's and the beginning of the 1930's, did not reproduce itself. And from the 1964 of the year, the EXTINCTION of Russians began (depopulation).
            Regarding the extinction of the Russians, say thank you to the Anglo-Franco-American special services that pushed Nicholas II into the WWI, the globalist Trotsky and the Trotskyist N.S. Khrushchev!
            1. 0
              17 June 2018 13: 32
              Quote: Tatiana
              Here it is your rotten question! Why rotten? Yes, because you in response change the cause and effect on it!

              So the question is rotten or, nevertheless, the answer? lol
              By the way, the Question was ordinary: "WHO gave birth to three?"
              And the answer was the usual: "NOBODY."
              Where is the "rottenness"? belay lol
              Quote: Tatiana
              You are the advocate of Western liberals and Russian pro-Western liberoids, i.e. the globalist bourgeoisie, as such, and starting from the monarchist times.

              Focus on TOPIC, not on my person
              Quote: Tatiana
              Regarding the extinction of the Russians, say thank you to the Anglo-Franco-American special services that pushed Nicholas II into the WWI, the globalist Trotsky and the Trotskyist N.S. Khrushchev!

              Under the Emperor, the population increased 50% (60 million). people for 22 years.
              Your idols in just 70 years built the Russian Cross, and the radical change in the demographic behavior of the people took place back in the years of the "great turning point" of 30's.
              These are just FACTS.
              Without chatter about the Trotskyists.
              1. +4
                17 June 2018 14: 08
                Olgovich (Andrei)
                Under the Emperor, the population increased by 50% (60 million). people for 22 years.
                Your idols in just 70 years built the Russian Cross, and the radical change in the demographic behavior of the people took place back in the years of the "great turning point" of 30's.
                These are just FACTS.
                Without chatter about the Trotskyists.

                Since what year do you live in France? How did you end up in France? and who do you work there, if not secret? So that it would be possible for me to really evaluate your fragmentary selective demagogic knowledge about Russia?
                Quote: Olgovich
                a radical change in the demographic behavior of the people took place in the years of the "great turning point" of the 30's. These are just FACTS.

                Yes, the facts! But it is important to understand that they should be logically correctly and historically truthfully interpreted politically!
                And you with your
                Quote: Olgovich
                Without chatter about the Trotskyists.
                get away from the essence of political answers to these painful questions, confining yourself to your petty-bourgeois convictions against Russia precisely in the Soviet period. It is Soviet Russia that you indiscriminately about the Communists, social democracy in general, the Western Anglo-Franco-American special services, only ONE is to blame! All the rest you do not even mention. And if you are reminded of them, then you ignore it. They are all innocent for you, “white” and “fluffy”, like “doves of the world”!
                1. 0
                  18 June 2018 10: 04
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Since what year do you live in France? How did you end up in France? and who do you work there, if not secret? To make it possible for your fragmentary selective demagogic knowledge of Russia really appreciate?

                  1. I live in the Novorossiysk Territory.
                  2. Knowledge - are not "demagogic" - learn to speak Russian
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Yes, the facts! But it’s important to understand that they should be logically correct and historically true interpret politically!

                  Truthfully and politically FACTS are NOT necessary to interpret. To nobody.
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  get away from the essence of political answers to these painful questions, confining yourself to your petty-bourgeois convictions against Russia precisely in the Soviet period. It is Soviet Russia that you indiscriminately about the Communists, social democracy in general, the Western Anglo-Franco-American special services, only ONE is to blame!

                  What is "in everything"?
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  All the rest you do not even mention.

                  WHO is the rest and what have they done?
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  And if you are reminded of them, then you ignore it. They for you all are innocent, “white” and “fluffy” like “doves of the world”!

                  Who are they? belay request
                  1. 0
                    18 June 2018 14: 28
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    I remember, pouring it into the tank at the price of 1 EURO / liter.

                    Quote: Olgovich
                    1.Live in the Novorossiysk Territory
                    - since when in Novorossiysk gas became in 1 EURO ???

                    he’s not even matured at the rate, if that
                    1. 0
                      19 June 2018 08: 46
                      Quote: your1970
                      -

                      Find out, after all, WHAT is the “Novorossiysk Territory” for a start and WHAT it included.
              2. +7
                17 June 2018 14: 11
                Quote: Olgovich
                These are just FACTS.

                Bullshit is complete, not facts.
                How many healthy men drove Nikolai 2 to the graves of the Russian-Japanese and Imperialist graves? Did they leave behind offspring? No? 1-2 million people died in World War I, 2,3 million prisoners of war. 4 thousand people became disabled. Russian army in the Russo-Japanese War a group of Russian military historians led by G.F. Krivosheeva determines in 600 25 dead, 331 146 wounded and 032 dead from wounds, including 6127 dead wounded prisoners. The number of Russian soldiers and officers who died from diseases is estimated at 613 people
                Here is the trouble, but the Reds are to blame for the Olgovichs too ..
                Who, with the money of ANTANTA with the direct participation of ATANTA troops, ruthlessly slaughtered Russians and not only whole villages? Belye. However, the Reds are again to blame.
                As a result of the unleashed by the Bely and the Entente Civil in Russia, about two million died in the battle on both sides of the Red and White, as a result of crop failures, epidemics, including due to the actions of bandits of various stripes, mostly sulfur-boromaline with a white layer, lost about 8 million. And again, the oligovichs are completely guilty of the Reds? https: //abc1918.livejournal.com/118238.ht
                ml
                Hitler organized the invasion of the whole of Europe in the USSR, the death of 27 million, again the Reds? And according to the Amnuel-olgovichs, Stalin is to blame.
                And in the end, what do we have?
                But we have the fact that the Amnueli and other Olgovich people are lying like they breathe. When they lament for saving people. For 30 years, almost, now, without a war, the country has lost 18 million, but even the Amnuel people are to blame for it, but not everyone .
                Quote: Olgovich
                Focus on TOPIC, not on my person

                You don’t know the topic in which all your verbal tricks are built on lies, therefore they put you in your place, lying is not the best trait, if only, according to your upbringing and preferences, a person is always lying, she is convinced, to pay for his efforts exactly what Tatyana called you.
                Quote: Olgovich
                Under the Emperor, the population increased by 50% (60 million). people for 22 years.

                With the number of births to a peasant family of 12-15 children, 2-3 survived.
                You do not know anything about the phenomenon of urbanization and the decrease in the number of children in families in this regard?
                Just do not cry out heart-rending now. That the great chemist Mendeleev, gave a different forecast, he is a CHEMIST, not a demographer.
                But the fact that since 1992, because of people like you, the population of Russia has decreased by a million a year, a fact.
                So the chatter, which does not have any scientific justification, is purely your imitation of the vigorous activity of the patented Russophobe here.
                Amnueli, Nekrasovs, Sytsyns, Drandins ... Eka stares at you all ..
                Rights Tatyana, oh and rights when clearly defines your essence
                Quote: Tatiana
                You are the advocate of Western liberals and Russian pro-Western liberoids, i.e. the globalist bourgeoisie, as such, and starting from the monarchist times.
                1. 0
                  18 June 2018 10: 16
                  Quote: badens1111
                  How many healthy men

                  Your chatter breaks down about the FACTS: Nikolay has built 180 million people from 120 million in 22 years
                  You built a Russian Cross.
                  Did you catch the difference or repeat THIRD TIME?
                  Quote: badens1111
                  But the fact that since 1992, due to people like you, the population of Russia has decreased by a million a year, a fact

                  Russian depopulation is growing with 1964 g, not a single generation of Russiansborn after 1910 and entering an active reproductive age, starting from the era of the "great turning point", the late 1920s - early 1930s, did not reproduce itself. (Demoscope).
                  This is YOU, my friend, ruled.
                  Forgot? How much memory can you clean? lol
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Rights Tatyana, oh and rights when clearly defines your essence
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  You are the advocate of Western liberals and Russian pro-Western liberoids, i.e. the globalist bourgeoisie, as such, and starting from the monarchist times.

                  lol laughing
                  1. 0
                    18 June 2018 11: 09
                    Olegovych! They tell you that the Communist Party of Russia was heterogeneous from the very beginning! There were 2 trends in it: Trotskyism and Stalinism.
                    The communist project itself was a Russophobic project of the Anglo-French-American special services - moreover, in the Trotskyist version - and for transferring Soviet Russia to foreign external control.
                    Until 1937-1938, Trotskyite Russophobes ruled the country, after which they were defeated by the Stalinists. Why are the Stalinists?
                    Yes, because the Stalinists opposed the Trotskyists, on the contrary, for the national sovereignty of Russia, as such.
                    And if in the 1937-1938 the Stalinists had not defeated the Trotskyists, then already by the 1941 in the geopolitical plan of Russia, as a sovereign country, there would have been no!
                    After Stalin's death, the Trotskyists came to power again - in the person of the same Trotskyist N.S. Khrushchev. It was with him that the collapse of the USSR and the truly Stalinist-socialist movement in the world began. And how exactly did this happen - study the history of the USSR / Russia.
                    The Trotskyists are not Communists in the full sense of the word, this is the West - the "Rothschild", Russophobic - agents! How can you not understand this ?!
                    You think philosophically metaphysically - without analysis and synthesis of internal phenomena and causes leading to external changes in society. But it is necessary to use the dialectical-materialistic method in thinking. And you do not know him and do not apply in principle. From here you have logical errors - sophistry.

                    Therefore, you read an information article on the Internet, but you cannot do your own historical analysis on it in philosophical and methodological terms. This is where the sharp ideological controversy arises. For the methodological methods for assessing what is happening here are different.
                    1. 0
                      19 June 2018 08: 57
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      After Stalin's death, the Trotskyists came to power again - in the person of the same Trotskyist N.S. Khrushchev.

                      Oops! So they were killed by the Stalinists at 37m! And where did the Stalinists who defeated them go in 1953? belay Let me remind you that the resolution on the condemnation of the personality cult by the Congress was adopted UNANIMOUSLY. All Trotskyists?
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      The Trotskyists are not Communists in the full sense of the word, this is the West - the "Rothschild", Russophobic - agents! How can you not understand this ?!

                      In grades - "istov" digging-squeamish
                      It’s normal for you that the “heroes” of the citizen of the war were killed in 37 g, like spies and traitors (Trotskyists), and then streets, schools are named after them again, and for me it’s wild.
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      You think philosophically metaphysically - without analysis and synthesis of internal phenomena and causes leading to external changes in society. But it is necessary to use the dialectical-materialistic method in thinking. And you do not know him and do not apply in principle. From here you have logical errors - sophistry.

                      I have "excellent" in scientific communism, so don’t Yes
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Therefore, you read an information article on the Internet, but you cannot do your own historical analysis on it in philosophical and methodological terms. This is where the sharp ideological controversy arises. For the methodological methods for assessing what is happening here are different.

                      We have different estimates, as different evaluation criteria.
                      For me, the criterion for evaluating someone’s actions is whether its action is useful for prosperity of my Russian people and Russia.
                      So the Russian Cross arose as a result of the rule of the commonly known to you. organization.
                      1. 0
                        20 June 2018 00: 35
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        We have different ratings, because different evaluation criteria. For me, the criterion for evaluating someone’s deeds is whether its action is useful for the prosperity of my Russian people and Russia. So the Russian Cross arose as a result of the rule of the commonly known to you. organization.

                        If the prosperity of the Russian people is manifested in an increase in the number of people and depends on the activities of the ruling party "elite", then why do you think with the almost 30-year period of capitalism in Russia - with pro-Western liberoid parties in power in the country and the establishment of "American democracy" in Russia demography can not rise in the Russian Federation even to the level of the "Russian Cross" 1991-1992 years? And I don’t even speak about the level of demography when the traitor of Russia and the communist shifter Gorbachev came into power and the beginning of his reforms of “new thinking”! All communists are to blame too?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        So the Stalinists killed them in 37! And where did the Stalinists who defeated them go to 1953? Let me remind you that the resolution on the condemnation of the personality cult by the Congress was adopted UNANIMOUSLY. All Trotskyists?

                        See answer from 1 min 25 seconds "The cult of Stalin. Exposure. Khrushchev's secret report at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU. Only Hitler is worse." Posted on: 25 Feb 2016


                        And also about Khrushchev and his exposure of the cult of Stalin, see in detail the article "From the shepherd to the secretary: why did Khrushchev blame Stalin" -
                        http://balalaika24.ru/history/ot-pastukha-do-sekr
                        etarya-zachem-khrushchev-khayal-stalina
                        I have "excellent" in scientific communism, so don’t Yes
                        On scientific communism for cramming without a concept and ability to think independently You have "5" set. And the methodology itself is m / l. studied in the discipline - dialectical and historical materialism. Scientific communism is its applied discipline.
                        However, you may not be very guilty of this. For in training a lot depends on the teachers themselves.
      2. +2
        17 June 2018 11: 45
        Quote: vladimirvn
        And the fact that in many settlements of our vast country, the pensions of the elderly are also fed by the young. Where is it going?

        Nowhere. Works in Russia-SEA. Especially for the young.
        And you can learn if there is no profession, but a good welder, installer is worth its weight in gold.
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          1. 0
            17 June 2018 13: 54
            Quote: lelikas
            Can give birth and 8-9 and even 10 children, but from this, the average life expectancy of men in Russia at 62 years old does not begin to exceed retirement at 65 years old

            1. The average life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation 67,5 yearsaverage 71 years (US 78,7 years)
            2. For the normal functioning of the pension system, 3 employees are required per pensioner. 8-9 children would provide this and the age pension would not have to be raised
            Quote: lelikas
            If we take off for DR, then now we will be constantly at the funeral.

            I live on the street of private houses. No births, no weddings in recent years, but the funeral ....
            Quote: lelikas
            And yes - try after 55 (I am silent about 60) to find a job where the RFP will exceed the fare to and from it ...

            For a specialist, no problem, in my opinion
            Quote: lelikas
            In fact, we have a bunch of parasites in the Duma and officials who are really profitable - their ass will not come off the chair for another 5 years.

            I do not think that even if they are left without a salary, this will solve the problem in the country
            Quote: lelikas
            Father-in-law, at one time, worked on three jobs, so that he could at least somehow earn money, he died on one, now I know what will happen to the others ...

            in Germany pen. age 68 years (sister lives there)
            They will work with her husband until this age, they see no problems ..
            1. +4
              17 June 2018 17: 14
              That's when we have Germany .... but for now - we are not in it, and now we will remove the Caucasus long-livers from your 67,5 years and get a much smaller number in the middle-region regions. And yes - it’s easy to find work in 60 years, if you are the only specialist in the entire area or still know how to work on a machine tool, graduated from the 1900s, when you have not heard about CNC and electricity, and if we open any labor exchange, we will see that after 45 - 50 years old, you are not even a candidate ... Of course, it is possible for 10 tr. get settled without problems - give a couple of three thousand on the road, a couple of three for food, but then it’s more profitable to sit at home.
              1. 0
                18 June 2018 10: 08
                Quote: lelikas
                That's when we have Germany .... but for now - we are not in it, and now we will remove the Caucasus long-livers from your 67,5 years and get a much smaller number in the middle-region regions.

                Long-livers of the Caucasus - a tiny percentage of the elderly and the weather do not.
                Quote: lelikas
                And yes - it’s easy to find work in 60 years, if you are the only specialist in the entire area or are still able to work on a machine tool, graduated from the 1900s, when you have not heard about CNC and electricity, and if we open any labor exchange, we will see that after 45 - 50 years old, you're not a candidate even ...

                A specialist, he is always a required candidate (I mean industry). To humanities, yes, a problem ....
                1. 0
                  18 June 2018 23: 21
                  I’m not good to look for this table, but it’s not so scanty, purely for example - there are eight men of 60 years old and a pair of 80 - Middle - oppa 64 ... i.e. so that two would receive a pension further - 8 would die at work ...
            2. 0
              18 June 2018 01: 58
              And for what, excuse me, admins, deleted my previous post? Of course, I suspected that the site was slipping farther nowhere, not to the same degree! Adios.
        2. +7
          17 June 2018 12: 52
          Quote: Olgovich
          And you can learn if there is no profession, but a good welder, installer is worth its weight in gold.


          Well, it’s worth its weight in gold, they earn good money. No more. On the weight of gold, managers (top, of course). Here are those cottages being built in resort areas. Well, the welder is a lifetime mortgage :-)
    2. +11
      17 June 2018 08: 30
      Quote: Olgovich
      And the prices of gasoline in Russia envy very, very many. I also remember, pouring it into the tank at the price of 1 EURO / liter

      So what are you doing in Europe then? - come back to Russia, if you remember something about gasoline "cheap", then about the "low" level of the retirement age.
      1. +1
        17 June 2018 12: 13
        Quote: Volodin
        So what are you doing in Europe then? - Return to Russia, if you remember cheap gasoline then the “low” bar for retirement age.

        In my Europe, gasoline is 1 euro / liter, pence. age long 63 years for women, and salary below Russian.
        So there is something to compare with Yes
      2. +4
        17 June 2018 12: 21
        Quote: Volodin
        come back to Russia, if you remember cheap gasoline,




        Is gasoline cheap in Russia? Calculate how many liters of gas a Russian can buy for an average salary of 35.000 at a price of 45 rubles. And how many liters will a European buy with an average salary of 1500 euros and a price of 1,5 per liter.
    3. +3
      17 June 2018 08: 38
      Quote: Olgovich
      ANYWHERE in the world, in more 0 less developed countries, there are no such low retirement ages as in Russia.

      Thank you for putting Russia on a par with less developed countries. laughing
      But what if you cancel the pensions altogether, let’s say, as in China, for most citizens? The philosophy of life of the whole society will completely change. Parents will take care of their children as their future breadwinners, and adult children of their elderly parents, showing by personal example how their children should live - is this not everyone’s dream of a happy childhood and a happy old age? But I’m afraid that the authorities will never refuse such a feeding trough, such an instrument of managing people's behavior as pensions.
      1. 0
        17 June 2018 12: 17
        Quote: Boris55
        But what if you cancel the pensions altogether, let’s say, as in China, for most citizens?

        They didn’t cancel it, it never was there.
        Quote: Boris55
        Parents will take care of their children as their future breadwinners, and adult children of their elderly parents, showing by personal example how their children should live - is this not everyone’s dream of a happy childhood and a happy old age? But I’m afraid that the authorities will never refuse such a feeding trough, such an instrument of managing people's behavior as pensions.

        If there were children in the minimum sufficient number, there would be no increase in the retirement age. Few children were given birth, respectively, there is no salary, no deductions to the pension fund.
      2. +7
        17 June 2018 16: 58
        This is who told you such crap about China, there people get a pension for your information. The minimum pension in China in 2017 was 618 yuan (in rubles this is about 5.500) per month. But among residents of large cities, this figure is much higher. For example, for Beijing and Shanghai pensioners, the average pension is 3500 yuan (31.000 rubles), very good! However, given the high level of capital prices, this is slightly higher than the cost of living. In developed cities, with a population of more than 10 million people, the average pension is 2000 yuan (17.500 rubles).
        In 1978, during the fifth convocation of the Standing Committee of the All-China Assembly of People's Representatives (PC NPC), the retirement age for the working population of the country was established.
        From this moment to the present, in China, men retire at 60 years old, women at 55 years old.
        For employees of state enterprises, budgetary institutions and party bodies, the following resolutions apply:

        Employees with cumulative work experience in the above organizations for more than 10 years may retire after reaching the age of 60/55 years;
        For men and women working in enterprises hazardous to health or engaged in heavy manual labor, retirement is available as early as 55/45 years, subject to 10 years of work experience, as well as providing a certificate of loss of health or disability.

        1. 0
          18 June 2018 10: 24
          Quote: Sirota
          DO NOT KNOW DO NOT SHAKE !!!

          . T. ignoramuschop on your forehead
          : According to the latest statistics, only receives a pension every fourth Chinese.
          Let us single out the basic conditions for receiving a pension: Men are 60 years old, and women are 55 years old. The age of women who do physical work is 50 years. Experience - from 15 years. Labor activity at a state or industrial enterprise. Doing private business.

          .Eventually only part Chinese people receive pension contributions. And if paid, then in the minimum criteria. For example, citizens are paid 20% of the salary, and rural residents receive a pension of 10% of earnings.


          More details: http://pensiagid.ru/poleznaya-informaciya/pension
          naya-reforma-kitaya.html
          Shame .....
          1. +1
            18 June 2018 16: 58
            I also thought about you until I went there on a working trip and talked with people, and what YOU saw, know-it-all. laughing There, people who did not work for the state already receive old-age pensions, but not big somewhere around 8.000-10.000 CNY per year. I estimated the level of economic development with my own eyes
            at such speeds trains run

            honor all the leaders (captains)

            they are building large-scale housing, a high standard of living, and much more that does not fit into our understanding, and 30 years ago they had nothing to eat what
            1. 0
              19 June 2018 09: 02
              Quote: Sirota
              I also thought about you until I went there on a business trip and talked to people

              To think, you need to KNOW and READ: http://pensiagid.ru/poleznaya-informaciya/pension
              naya-reforma-kitaya.html
              1. 0
                19 June 2018 10: 10
                how can you discuss with you what you don’t know, where you haven’t been and are unlikely to find on the Internet, they also write something on fences, but it’s not a fact that this is true wink

    4. +16
      17 June 2018 09: 08
      Quote: Olgovich
      Which of those sobbing about raising the retirement age gave birth to three children? Yes, practically NO ONE
      Namely, they could today, while working, provide their father with a pension. And not one or two born by him. In the mirror would be a crying look.

      You, sir, have many children, go to the clinic, there is a female doctor with the letter "G" and he will tell you how many women want, but can not ... Some after two miscarriages manage to give birth to one. And this is with garrison hospital services for the civilian population ... In a word, do not go where you came from ...

      Quote: Olgovich
      And gas prices in Russia are envied by very, very many. I remember, pouring it into the tank at a price of 1 EUR / liter.

      When you pour gasoline at a cost of 1 euro per liter in a gas tank, do you consider the money remaining from 159, 7 euro or continue to pour, how do you fill it with us? Your dad was Olga, and mother Vladimir? Sow reasonable in your garden, where the same "patriots" with stuffed "euro" purses are filled about the joys of physical labor in the fresh air in the seventies ...
      1. +1
        17 June 2018 12: 26
        Quote: ROSS 42
        You, sir, have many children, go to the clinic, there is a female doctor with the letter "G" and he will tell you how many women want, but can not ... Some after two miscarriages manage to give birth to one. And this is with garrison hospital services for the civilian population ... In a word, do not go where you came from ...

        And how much million abortions done in the country, your gynecologist did not say during the examination? It looks like you were forcibly removed ... request
        Quote: ROSS 42
        When you pour gasoline at a cost of 1 euro per liter in a gas tank, do you consider the money remaining from 159, 7 euro or continue to pour, how do you fill it with us? Your dad was Olga, and mother Vladimir? Sow reasonable in your garden, where the same "patriots" with stuffed "euro" purses are filled about the joys of physical labor in the fresh air in the seventies ...

        Try to speak Russian: what is 159, 7 euros? belay fool
        1. dSK
          +1
          17 June 2018 13: 57
          Quote: Olgovich
          how many millions abortions are done in the country

          I will never vote for the atheists - the Communists, present and former, for the oligarchs - they all lie.
          Vladimir Vladimirovich is trying to do something for the people. hi
          1. +1
            17 June 2018 21: 31
            Quote from dsk
            I will never vote for the atheists - communists, real and former

            This is called recursion.
            Quote from dsk
            Vladimir Vladimirovich is trying to do something for the people
            Putin is a former communist.
            1. dSK
              +1
              18 June 2018 04: 04
              Vladimir Vladimirovich, Orthodox, what to look for. Son, can you do that on January 19th?
        2. 0
          18 June 2018 04: 09
          Quote: Olgovich
          Try to speak Russian: what is 159, 7 euros?

          This is the approximate minimum wage (today - 153,9), on which 22 million people live in Russia. As for conversations in Russian: here yesterday, a Pole decided to tell in Russian on the transmission of the Central Television how he sees the world order in the Russian region, and received for it by snot, with the removal from the hall by force. So do not shake your individual capabilities in front of those who, for various reasons, did not have such opportunities, so as not to be considered used ... request
          1. 0
            18 June 2018 10: 27
            Quote: ROSS 42
            As for conversations in Russian: here yesterday, a Pole decided to tell in Russian on the transmission of the Central Television how he sees the world order in the Russian region, and received for it by snot, with the removal from the hall by force. So don’t shake your individual capabilities in front of those who, for various reasons, did not have such opportunities, so as not to be considered used.

            belay request Once again I urge you to state your thoughts in RUSSIAN and CONNECTLY.
            Or are you not able to do this in principle?
            it seems like ....
    5. +14
      17 June 2018 09: 32
      The day is not far off when African-French and Arab-Frenchmen, sitting around the clock in coffee houses and parks, giving birth to 3 or more children, will come and tell you exactly who should provide their fathers and fathers of their children with pensions laughing
      1. +1
        17 June 2018 12: 28
        Quote: Xander
        The day is not far off when African-French and Arab-Frenchmen, sitting around the clock in coffee houses and parks, giving birth to 3 or more children, will appear and will tell youwho exactly should provide pension to their fathers and fathers of their children

        Are you hoping to dodge the conversation? lol
        1. +9
          17 June 2018 15: 33
          Yes, we kind of already discussed these points, but if that is, the low birth rate is not a cause in itself, but a consequence! The consequence of the stagnation of the 80s and the devastation of the 90s, the situation straightened relatively only in the mid-zero, twenty years, a whole generation, a demographic hole. That is, the generation of those who survived with great difficulty and put their children on their feet (whose children they could afford to give birth and raise) should now die at the machines?

          And besides, good demography in itself is not always the solution to all problems and can be another time bomb. I won’t go far, Israel’s example, the average woman gives birth to 3 children. It would seem that everything is fine, the population is growing, the state is blooming, etc., but this is only in appearance. You begin to make out who gives birth to what you see and see: unyielding religious 4.5, savages ultraorthodox 7.5 (who have a percentage of working men of 50%, and they are busy pulling on far-fetched budget vacancies that they invented in their party in the kneset), builders of the Arabs - 3.2 and robbers of the south Bedouins - 5.5. A normal one on whom the country can be said to hold and develop, give birth on average a little more than two, now tell me now that there will be happiness in demography.
          1. 0
            18 June 2018 10: 31
            Quote: Xander
            Yes, we kind of discussed these points already,

            You didn’t understand me, I answered your phrase:
            Quote: Xander
            The day is not far off when African-French and Arab-Frenchmen, sitting around the clock in coffee houses and parks, giving birth to 3 or more children, will appear and will tell youwho exactly should provide pension to their fathers and fathers of their children

            Those. They will tell ME, but you DO NOT? belay lol
            And how do you dodge a conversation? Yes
            1. 0
              18 June 2018 13: 18
              And I’m not trying to dodge, about those that they already tell me wrote above Yes
              1. 0
                19 June 2018 09: 06
                Quote: Xander
                And I’m not trying to dodge, about those that they already tell me wrote above

                Those. and the same Afro-French will “talk” with you, only in the Israeli version. Yes
                So what's the difference? belay
    6. +11
      17 June 2018 11: 10
      When grandmothers start working on retirement until 63 years old, then you will have no time to refuel gasoline for 1 euro per liter. With three children, you yourself will be babysitting. And will they feed you in old age is a big question. winked
    7. +7
      17 June 2018 17: 57
      How many eureka do you have a salary? Go back to us and estimate the price of gasoline and children give birth to 3 or 4. Buy a house for them in a mortgage, learn if you are very lucky to build a job with a salary of 10-15 thousand, a garden you’ll have to process broiler chickens and run somewhere else for a couple of jobs, then you’ll also talk about an aging population about pensions. We have a rare crow surviving to old age, not like people. It's not Europe, there are a lot of old people there, they don’t live with us for long.
      1. 0
        18 June 2018 10: 39
        Quote: akula
        How many eureka you have a salary? Come back to us and estimate the price of gasoline and children give birth to 3 or 4.

        Yes, next to me, next! And the salary is not higher than yours, but gasoline is almost two times more expensive, as are the communal and penalties below Yes
        The problems are bigger than yours.
        I talked about something else, about the need to understand the need to increase the retirement age, since they did not give birth on time as much as needed.
        This concerns me, alas, too. hi
  5. +13
    17 June 2018 07: 49
    Retirement age increased 5: 0 in favor of the authorities as always .. Lucky for those who die "young" and quickly .. The rest will envy the dead!
    1. +2
      17 June 2018 20: 48
      Damn mattresses and got to our pensions. Stargazed, hands off our pensions!
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  7. +3
    17 June 2018 11: 01
    Recep Tayyip Erdogan:
    “Every day that Jerusalem is under occupation is an insult to us! The international community prefers to be silent when it comes to Israel’s attitude towards the Palestinians”

    Erdogan finally decided to declare this to the whole world! (they didn’t put Turkey’s fu-35 fighters !!! Well, nothing, this thing is fixable .. soldier
  8. +10
    17 June 2018 11: 44
    Quote from dsk
    According to RBC, with reference to the draft decision of the commission approved at the meeting, business supported the government project only subject to the provision of calculations and statistics that formed the basis of the bill. Unions opposed government initiative.

    -----------------------
    "Business" in general would have to shut their dirty mouth; after 40, they no longer want to take people to work. In general, the issue of retirement age is such a global issue and it should be put to a referendum. As for the food of Golikova and Siluanov, that 1 employee "feeds" 1 pensioner, this is generally pure nonsense. For 70 years, technology has gone far ahead. Even the CNC machine rotates 2 times faster than the universal manual, tool life is much higher. Documentation in electronic form is faster corrected and finalized. That is, productive forces have grown much. Agricultural machinery has a full line of interchangeable attachments, road construction equipment is much more productive. And our all-Russian accounting still considers people by their heads. It's a shame it should be. Apparently there is a plan to “throw” into the market a large batch of almost gratuitous labor of 55-65 year olds, I see no other reasons, the rest is blatant lies and vague phrases.
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 04: 18
      Quote: Altona
      Even the CNC machine rotates 2 times faster than the universal manual

      When I was still working, I always wondered why the number of people in the shops didn’t change at the enterprise, and the office swelled like yeast. One example: until 1990, the number of accounts department armed with calculators was two, and after 2000, 6 people armed with PCs began to work ... belay And in our team, as there were 5 people, it remained. request
      1. +1
        18 June 2018 05: 43
        Since then, reporting has grown many times or even tens. so in almost all areas. Any small business needs tons of papers, reports, projects, schedules, cards, magazines, schemes, estimates, visas, permits and approvals. So everywhere.
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    1. +10
      17 June 2018 15: 08
      Quote: Zubr
      Our generation is being destroyed. Maybe because we remember the USSR, remember the 90, and we can tell a lot and raise children not in the way the liberals want. As soon as we die out - and this is 10-20 maximum years - we will be replaced by young, angry consumers who fit into the market. In fact, the very illustrious Russian mentality will be replaced by a pan-European standard.

      In my opinion, this is the only sane comment on the spite of the day. At least someone understood what those in power want.
      1. +6
        17 June 2018 15: 52
        In my opinion, this is the only sane comment on the spite of the day. At least someone understood what those in power want.


        Our generation will understand.
      2. +1
        18 June 2018 04: 28
        Quote: Captain45
        In my opinion, this is the only sane comment on the spite of the day. At least someone understood what those in power want.

        Those in power, since they go back to their "chosen ones" (mainly livestock), repeat the famous path of Moses, in which there remains a generation that did not remember Egyptian slavery. Here we are saved from the memory of Soviet slavery. It remains only to demolish the monuments to the soldiers-liberators and turn the March of the Immortals into the Parade of Equality, which will head the government led by DAM ...
  10. +1
    17 June 2018 12: 23
    Quote from AUL
    We have capitalism, and with it the “wage gap” is “not normalized”.
    A joke question: how do our union bosses feel about this lasciviousness? Something about their reaction is not heard! (Rhetorical question).

    Information is inconsistent.
    Unions write that against.
    The decision of the Russian tripartite commission for the regulation of social and labor relations following the discussion of the bill on raising the retirement age states that the party representing the all-Russian trade union associations do not support the draft federal law “On Amending Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation on the Assignment and Payment of Pensions”.
    https://www.solidarnost.org/news/Profsoyuzy_ne_po
    dderzhali_zakonoproekt_o_povyshenii_pensionnogo_v
    ozrasta.html

    All sorts of "inform agencies" of varying degrees of "yellowness" that are being traded to lower the age limit.
    The retirement age for women should be limited to 60 years instead of 63as suggested by the government. This opinion was expressed by Russian trade unions.

    A statement by Mikhail Shmakov, head of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia (FNPR), was made at a meeting of the Russian Tripartite Commission on the Regulation of Social and Labor Relations (RTK) on June 16.
    https://ura.news/news/1052339123
    1. 0
      18 June 2018 04: 33
      Quote: Freeman
      Unions write that against.

      When collective bargaining agreements are drawn up, the trade unions “for some reason” are not “against”. They look blindly at the requirements of a legitimate annual increase in workers' wages to the level of declared inflation and modestly lower their eyes when they see 50-80% of sick leave payment. They do not see the annual "bonuses" for the management of the enterprise and non-production costs for the whim of the "owner" ... belay And here they stood in a pose? I do not believe...
  11. +4
    17 June 2018 12: 27
    “Apparently, the government decided to go ahead with the bad news. A championship with a ball and the first five goals will mitigate the social blow! But we are all fans, all seventy-seven, eighty-six, one hundred and forty-six percent! What is our pension, what is our VAT if our guys score goals! That's where the real economy is. And we all need to work, work harder, pull two, three jobs ... "(quote)

    "This is a hammer, this is a sickle, this is our Soviet coat of arms.
    If you want life, but you want kui, you’ll still get ... what you are supposed to. "

    Also a quote, only popular, from the seventies. What has changed? Ahhhhhhh. Both held, and still hold. And what did the voters want? It does not happen that the king is good and kind, and around only scum-boyars. Can not be! The king picks up his own servants and starts a cause of his own accord. When they announced the creation of the gendarmerie (sorry, the National Guard), what were you thinking about? And then it will be even better, even more fun. Sober up, citizens ... hi
    1. 0
      18 June 2018 04: 39
      Quote: Sea Cat
      And then it will be even better, even more fun.

      And the nippers with the naggers are already on the catch, and Moscow is full of "Caucasian and non-Caucasian Muscovites" (for every two indigenous people - 1 newcomer, officially), but there is no need to talk about the dominance of effective and verified people in power ... belay
  12. +1
    17 June 2018 13: 10
    Quote: kepmor
    yeah ... "pessemist" you, my friend ...
    although living in Russia without pessemism is not comme il faut ... they can take it for a blessed one ...

    But we forgot how to rejoice in humanity. Now it is customary for most to express their joy with a wild neigh and an artificial smile on their faces. You might think that they all received apartments for free.
  13. +3
    17 June 2018 13: 32
    The week is full of events. The main events are the 2018 World Cup and raising the retirement age. About other events, like
    said a neighbor, “Money Again for Fish.” We live like in the movie Groundhog Day. Stuck in the same events and stormy
    We are discussing the same thing. Only Syria’s position wondered. She would have lived, and she claims to be in the Golan Heights, which
    mediocre lost 50 years ago. As Ostap Bender said, “From a dead donkey's ears.” In general, what has grown has grown.
  14. +2
    17 June 2018 13: 38
    Now about pensions they will brainwash the Lectorate, they say it's all good and very useful. The central ones start to connect, soon the talk shows will go, with the Echperds. Actually, it’s time to bring Navalny and Co. to the Kremlin and there is no other way to tear these Kozlov from the feeding trough - they PRINCESSED to death.
    1. +3
      17 June 2018 17: 14
      Yes, I agree, I sat up and dug in, but where is this electorate 70%, I look like most of the sane are on the site, propagandists do not count. Navalny is not the one who is worth betting on; it is necessary to really look at the programs and plans of candidates who really are not, as there is no systematic approach and opposition as such.
  15. +2
    17 June 2018 13: 43
    In our country, in the popular understanding, retirement is a kind of abstract thing, God's handout with life and work, even theoretically not in contact. What to laugh at Kadyrov, what "Allah sent" to him is exactly the same way of thinking. Moreover, it’s nothing that when the law was adopted in the 1932 year, the country had quite a rural birth rate, and life expectancy is very low. In tsarist Russia she was 32 of the year, in dr. Rome and then in 40 years is estimated, but whoever counted dead babies there. In Germany, even under Bismarck, when they introduced the retirement age, also in 60, EMNIP, the people met this for haha, few then even in a developed country survived to that age.

    Now they don’t want to give birth to children, they didn’t really want to back in Soviet times, but cf. maximum life expectancy in the history of Russia. And it is unlikely that it will fall. Well, it means you have to work and there is nothing to hope for robots, we have not had enough hands for a long time. And in itself, expanding the age of an independent life in terms of earning a living also increases the period during which people are ready to have children.

    Experiments with a decrease in the duration of labor in Zap. Europe has not yet been given anything. Yes, and they are still there in the 20 century. production was sent to China, of course, they have nothing to occupy people with, and we live in what we ourselves produce.
    1. 0
      18 June 2018 05: 12
      Let us not “hang noodles” to the grateful listeners about life expectancy in tsarist Russia, waging wars in which the population was “thinned out” by thousands and infant mortality was quite high. We will return to a time close to us, which we remember. My mother and her sister each had two children (city dwellers) and an uncle in the village had five ... belay With the abolition of villages and agriculture, population growth began to decline. This is the main and main reason.
      As for the reduction of the working day, let me disagree with you. We have more than once, in emergency situations we met the daily norm for half a shift, and, with the organization of labor in the right way, any enterprise can double !!! (and with a reduction in engineering and other non-core workers to increase more) labor productivity. An employee of the enterprise could devote free time to his excellence and parenting. The fact is that in modern life leaving children unattended is fraught. Hence the fear of having them in large numbers.
      We have long been living in the debt of the future generation and are dying out, degrading as individuals, thanks to the adoption of values ​​alien to humanity.
      Pension in a socialist society was perceived as a state payment for a labor contribution to the development of the country, its economy, science, art, the armed forces, etc. The progress in pension reform in the Russian Federation was seen in the fact that pension payments that were made anyhow would be “fair” not a certain amount, thus aligning the difference between low and high rates, and that should be increased exponentially. AND... belay ... all of a sudden it turned out that small pensions began to “fade”, and “deserved and appointed high” - to grow excessively, increasing the already deep gap between the “dissimilar” sections of the population.
      Glory to Putin and the team! The farther, the faster ...
  16. +1
    17 June 2018 13: 48

    Russian pensioners get rich
    Thanks to the native government! Will seek...
  17. +2
    17 June 2018 13: 54
    Here it is, the urgent fulfillment of Putin’s covenants by the government: on the wooden one for the brother! Annually! Significant increase!
    The authors of the review were somewhat mistaken: they plan to increase pensions at 1000 rubles per month. Total 12 000 per year an increase in retirement ... At least that is what Vice-Premier for Social Policy T. Golikova said from the drawer screen. Yes
    1. +4
      17 June 2018 14: 42
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      The authors of the review were somewhat mistaken ....

      Somehow it turned out behind the events of the last days, one important thing went unnoticed. Sorry. An article on heroic physicians could have appeared on VO, and not only in uniform. And there are doctors on VO.
      Today, June 17 is Medical Day.
      I sincerely congratulate the real doctors on their professional holiday. I wish you all health, strength and well-being. Your profession is one of the most human in its root.

      The authors were not mistaken, the first message about a thousand was a year. The first typo was or "cookie" increased I do not know.
      I came across a poll that approves the pension "reform" of 8%, against the rest. An interesting figure, if we compare it with the property weight.
      I am sure that this law will be passed on in the Duma and in the Council of Federations, and the President will sign it. Well, maybe with some changes. Why? He climbed up on the websites of the "opposition" parties on purpose; he did not meddle on United Russia. T-and-and-a-bus! No one will organize a protest and demand a referendum. Today, people are not able to put forth leaders.
    2. +1
      17 June 2018 19: 07
      It may well do so. Indeed, there is money. Pensioners will be satisfied. But the rest ... People are pushed together by foreheads. Divide and rule.
      Kleptocrats in power can only divide and rob others.
      1. 0
        17 June 2018 21: 15
        Classic 90s: take away and share!
  18. +1
    17 June 2018 17: 34
    Eh, bullseye, but rejuvenating, you give the leader Rads a powerful miracle! ; )
    And Rads is so young, and young April is ahead! ; )
  19. +5
    17 June 2018 18: 59
    Quote: Vard
    16.6 (sixteen and six tenths) percent of all money transferred to a pension fund goes to the maintenance of this pension fund

    If you look at the buildings in which FIU branches are located,
  20. +1
    18 June 2018 08: 47
    Quote: Alexey Reds
    Eh, bullseye, but rejuvenating, you give the leader Rads a powerful miracle! ; )
    And Rads is so young, and young April is ahead! ; )

    What was that?
    1. 0
      18 June 2018 10: 53
      Quote: Sea Cat
      What was that?

      It seems that the new leader is replacing Ololyoshenka. fool lol Like the classics: "The iron horse replaces the peasant horse!" (with) laughing