Economic provocation at the opening of the World Cup

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To admit, the most unpleasant expectation in connection with the opening of the World Cup was the likely attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Donbass. But it turned out that the trouble came from the other side: from the Russian government. And the sports festival darkened at once.

This is probably my main complaint to our economic "geniuses". One would like to say: guys, how did you get with your thoughtfulness and adaptability! You yourself are not sick of yourself?





No, in general, it did not become a revelation. Even before the new appointment of Medvedev, “cautious” rumors were circulating that he would be appointed precisely to take a number of unpopular decisions and then retire, thereby unleashing his hands for the next premier, whoever he was.

After the appointment of Medvedev, similar statements about the need to make difficult decisions were heard from near-power structures. What decisions we are talking about were not specifically mentioned. But somewhere in the depths of the soul, we all understood that this issue would not be avoided.

Somewhere deep in my heart, I understand that if this is the price of changing the managerial elite, and after that Medvedev and his colleagues do leave, then everything is not so bad. But will it leave? Knowing V. Putin, no one can say this with certainty.

Now on the merits.

Yes, the experience of many countries proves that the retirement age is usually somewhere around sixty-five years. And there are champions like Japan, where he even reaches seventy. Honestly, I do not really understand how you can work actively at seventy years, say, at a construction site. But let the Japanese deal with this.

It is clear that Russia's economic and demographic problems are pushing the authorities toward such a decision. The situation when the state cannot pay pensions to all pensioners is hardly better than the one when it will take several more years to retire.

Economic provocation at the opening of the World Cup


Everything is so, and yet ... I am very confused by the sequence of problem solving. What I mean? Well, for example…

And if the government wants to first establish order in the tax field? More precisely, not even order, but justice? The flat scale of taxation, and even at the level of 13%, seems too much luxury in such a difficult situation, don't you find? And I do not insist on any cardinal changes: let 13% remain for the majority, and a progressive percentage scale will appear for the rich minority at least up to thirty-five.

Or are we afraid that in this case, Gerard Depardieu, Roy Jones and other low-tax patriots will refuse Russian passports? Are we worried about Mordovia, which will go astray without its most famous citizen?

Or, in this way, we indirectly recognize that in the field of taxes we still have a complete mess, and in the event of a change in tax legislation, Vladimir Vladimirovich’s friends will start massively hiding offshore revenues?

If so, why don't we adopt the magnificent experience of the United States? There, I remind you, citizens do not have the right to keep money in foreign banks, and they cannot (if they don’t want big problems with the law) buy shares of foreign companies.

No, I did not make a reservation: they really cannot. In order to own foreign shares, there is a special mechanism for depositary receipts, in which the American bank becomes the nominal owner of shares, and the American citizen receives a receipt from him giving him the right to vote with a certain package of shares and receive dividends from them. As a result, the bank is pleased, because it still receives its small doyu for service, and the state, because it becomes very difficult to steal with such a scheme.

And in order to cement these rules, in the USA there are really draconian laws and penalties for violations in the tax and financial sphere. And get a "ten" for tax evasion there is quite a common thing. Well, about relapse better and not to think - you can get a “quarter”.

So, when we copy this American experience, I will accept the increase in the retirement age with much less doubt.

And another aspect of the upcoming reform. Perhaps the most important.

One of my friends, having heard about this news, said: "I was personally denied admission to work in 38 years, precisely because of the" too big "age."
Notice that she was not employed at the construction site and not on a fishing schooner - that would be too harsh for a philologist, a candidate of science. The man was looking for regular work in the office, with a computer and papers, for which he was perfectly professionally prepared. But it turns out that 38 is already a “working old age”, and employers allow themselves to turn up their noses and look for more fresh “material”.

And the main question that now arises among the majority of people who have crossed the line of the sixth dozen: will it be possible to find a job if something goes wrong? Will there be a demand for workers under sixty, especially working specialties, requiring, in addition to knowledge and experience, also fair physical health?

I am sure that the current reformers have no answer to this question. Although that little things: they hardly even thought about it!

Therefore, I will allow myself another tip: if you are there, “above,” you really think about people, and not just about your favorite entrepreneurs, take some measures to stimulate demand for labor resources.

First of all, limit the influx of migrant workers. To at least some shortage of masons in the country was observed, road workers, nurses, nurses, nannies. So that your favorite employers do not turn up their nose, but consider each proposal with interest.

No, I am a reasonable person and I understand that somewhere a foreign specialist is really necessary. But it is logical to assume that if it is so necessary, then it should cost significantly more than the Russian. Therefore, let the employer pay him a salary, pay his second salary to the Employment Fund, and also deduct the Pension to have full justice and peace. And if they again start talking about “envelopes” and violations, I’ll again remind you of the American legislation, where for such mischief you can go to jail for a long time.

Well, the last, perhaps. While the pension in Russia is what we are seeing now, it is somehow embarrassing to groan about the incredible lack of funds. At first, make the money of various funds in the country work, unwind the flywheel of economic growth, raise pensions to any acceptable level.



And without this, somehow it turns out to be too false!
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  1. +6
    15 June 2018 05: 31
    But what about this option: raising the retirement age will give people the opportunity to receive wages at the old workplace, rather than receiving refusals in employment after retirement.
    1. +44
      15 June 2018 05: 33
      Russia - Saudi Arabia 5: 0 ..... How much do we now owe to the Saudis? belay ... laughing.... and to be honest, I was sure that we will kill the Saudis. He bet on 2: 0. Now the draw with Egypt is popodos from Uruguay, leaving the group from second place to the Spaniards and that’s all .... then ours go on vacation, and we calmly watch the World Cup smile...
      Now on the topic: A government that does not listen to the opinion of the people. 85% of Russians voted against raising the retirement age. But the leadership of the country does not give a damn. They do not care that after 50 years it is not possible to get a job, that after 50 years a lot of diseases appear (due to stress and the constant lack of money for a normal life for the majority of the population and expensive drugs .....
      1. +7
        15 June 2018 05: 51
        The game was bought, the Saudis barely walked even though a month before the World Cup any team was brought into good shape not just for a short tournament, but for the local championship which has been going on for a year, the Arabs didn’t move forward and returned very slowly or in the center . The side judge does not see our player’s three-meter offside .... the circus. Starting from the draw, he also set it at 2-0.
        1. +5
          15 June 2018 06: 08
          the Saudis barely walked even though a month before the World Cup any command was given in good shape
          .... Putin forced them to keep uraza (fasting), so the Saudis barely moved their legs wassat although before that in games with the Germans and Italians they were much faster ...
          1. +4
            15 June 2018 09: 13
            Putin made them keep uraza (fast), so the Saud barely moved his legs wassat

            ,, and they say Ramzan Akhmatovich was present in the dressing room of the Russian national team ,,, belay
            1. +10
              15 June 2018 11: 31
              Quote: bubalik
              ,, and they say Ramzan Akhmatovich was present in the dressing room of the Russian national team ,,,

              A coaching plan is working, nobody wants a cellophane. © smile
        2. +32
          15 June 2018 08: 09
          Game purchased
          In the news line, a message about Putin embracing a Saudi prince
          Funny are those who say that power does not listen to the people. Since 1993, when the authorities generally wanted to spit on the people. And after they learned to muffle their mouths with buns, the government itself directs the process of who is allowed to be unhappy and who is not.
          In the meantime, the authorities are amused by watching videos on YouTube where people kneel.
          1. +9
            17 June 2018 10: 00
            Guardamir June 15, 2018 08:09 ↑ New
            Since 1993, when the authorities generally wanted to spit on the people. .

            Academician Alferov:
            “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "
        3. 0
          17 June 2018 00: 17
          Quote: Heterocapsa
          the judge does not see a three-meter offside from our player .... circus

          The player in the first place did not take the ball, in the second he ran the other way, in the third - a three-centimeter offside.
      2. +41
        15 June 2018 06: 08
        And how many Russians voted for GDP and the deputies of EDRO? In 2006, the turnout threshold for the elections and the column “against all” were canceled. Just bring them back and immediately the "average temperature" in the country will become visible. However, the government of the oligarchs will never do this.
      3. +7
        15 June 2018 09: 24
        85% Russians voted against raising retirement age.
        Was there a vote?
        1. +1
          16 June 2018 09: 18
          Yes. Under duress. Ha am
      4. +11
        15 June 2018 09: 45
        I will add to your comment: according to the Federal State Statistics Service, the youth unemployment rate is 30%.
        Quote: Black
        after 50 years it is not possible to get a job
        1. +6
          15 June 2018 22: 18
          And I will add another:
          This is part of the 2016 table. 2017 has not changed critically. In Russia, a real failure with the life expectancy of the male population. Men, on average, live 14 years less. All reasons are known. And it is precisely these reasons that the government and DAM personally are apparently to blame. I don’t even want to comment.
          1. 0
            16 June 2018 07: 37
            The reason was originally laid in genetics. And the tables ... They are made up of people who get paid for it. "Money doesn't smell."
            1. +2
              16 June 2018 17: 12
              Just let’s not bring ALL to genetics. You take a look at other countries. Out of curiosity, at least. Carefully. Is everywhere the difference between the life expectancy of men and women? Directly in all countries?
              1. +1
                16 June 2018 17: 21
                I don’t know, we also have a difference in the life expectancy of men and women.
                “Life expectancy in Israel is also one of the highest in OECD. Only 6 countries are ahead of us - Australia, France, Italy, Switzerland, Spain and the record holder is Japan. Over the 14 years of this century, men's life expectancy has increased by 3,6 years (80,3) and women on 3,2 (84,1). Arabs men live on 4,3 less than Jews and women on 3,3. The difference between the life expectancy of men and women in Israel is one of the smallest in the club of developed countries. On average, according to OECD, it is 5,3 of the year, and in Israel 3,8. "
                1. +3
                  16 June 2018 20: 16
                  Paul, the difference is everywhere. It's just that far from everywhere it is so huge.
      5. 0
        22 June 2018 16: 24
        The worst thing is that about all this, all this government elite is KNOWING !!!!!!
    2. +40
      15 June 2018 06: 34
      Now, after 40, finding a job is a problem (many people do it by age) and in 60 and after it is almost unrealistic, all the more so since there are fewer and fewer jobs, and Russia’s neighbors are working too hard. Where to go to the Russian people, in my opinion this leadership does not see the coast at all in its actions against the Russian people am .
      1. +18
        15 June 2018 10: 16
        Quote: Spartanez300
        in my opinion, this leadership no longer sees the coast in its actions against the Russian people

        The silence of the "opposition" surprises me. Aw! Vladimir Volfovich! Tovarisch Zyuganov! Mr. Mironov! Where are your rallies in defense of the rights of the Russian people?
        1. +14
          15 June 2018 13: 24
          They shot all the real opposition in the White House - 93 years ... Now there are two oligarchic clans, one ruling the second in the opposition, and a couple of controlled parties to create the appearance of democracy
        2. AUL
          +15
          15 June 2018 15: 38
          Well, you found someone to appeal to!
          The president and the government signed their complete inability to lead the state. To admit that they are not able to ensure the collection of taxes with the introduction of a progressive scale is the height of unprofessionalism! This is with our tax service, the Accounts Chamber, the FSB and a bunch of various auditors! Glaring mediocrity! Only now suspicion creeps in, but does the government need this? It’s easier to tear the population - he has nowhere to go. And retirees just under the knife. There is nothing to think about.
          You can’t lead the state - resign! "Housekeeping - not grgo fishing shake! (folk wisdom)
        3. +1
          15 June 2018 16: 38
          The silence of the "opposition" surprises me. Aw! Vladimir Volfovich! Tovarisch Zyuganov! Mr. Mironov! Where are your rallies in defense of the rights of the Russian people?

          Yes, they’ll talk in the Duma (the opposition will shake the bones), but edrossia has a majority stake. But where are the unions? but normal people under blue flags will not go. we are not France - there will be no rallies.
        4. +1
          16 June 2018 07: 11
          Today I saw a video on YouTube where Zyuganov and the party members express strong discontent and offer not to change the retirement age until 2030. And they call for a referendum. I will not evaluate it all))) See and think for yourself
          PS
          Even if they start campaigning for a referendum, not the fact that it will happen
      2. +3
        15 June 2018 10: 17
        The meaning of the article is logical and correct. But I have the impression that the article is written kneeling. It is REQUIRED to plug holes ruining the budget. And, perhaps, the need for unpopular measures (for the so-called electorate, on the slang of those who are always 140% right) will disappear. For example, it bothers me that at least a billion is a bargaining chip in projects with not always guaranteed results.
      3. +6
        15 June 2018 22: 10
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Where to go to the Russian man, in my opinion, this leadership no longer sees the coast in its actions against the Russian people.

        I will venture to suggest that we are the most amazing country. If in most other countries ELECTED presidents and governments work for the benefit of voters, then our population plows to feed the president, the government, corrupt judges (hello hahaleva) and prosecutors, governors, mayors, sirs, peers and other people with an unconventional sexual orientation.
    3. +33
      15 June 2018 06: 47
      hmm. I can’t imagine myself at my workplace even at the age of 60 .. It’s just not possible. People older than 50 do not work for us at all ... It's just physically not possible .. I'm probably one of the last to stay .. that is, quite the last. All the rest have already been taken out for auxiliary work, with a clear decrease in the RFP, just at times .. In addition to everything else, the authorities are doing everything for the rest of the industry to stand up completely .. Everything that the current authorities are doing is dirty genocide of the population ...
      1. +2
        15 June 2018 07: 41
        I can’t imagine myself at my workplace even in 60 years


        Dilemma. Or work quietly, but for a lower salary or in difficult conditions, but for a large salary and pension. Do you have the opportunity to retire earlier on working conditions?

        If it’s not a secret, where do you represent yourself in 60 years?
        1. +1
          15 June 2018 09: 59
          Quote: tasha
          Or work quietly, but for a lower salary or in difficult conditions, but for a large salary and pension

          And if so: "One of my acquaintances, having heard about this news, said:" I was personally denied employment at 38 years old, precisely because of the "too big" age. " So then it is more likely to develop events in this scenario. And it is absolutely not happy
    4. +10
      15 June 2018 07: 22
      Quote: tasha
      And how about this option: raising the retirement age will give people the opportunity to receive wages at the old workplace, and not receive refusals in employment, after retirement

      And as such an option, in order to receive a salary at the old workplace, you still have to keep this place. We carried out some modernization in production, and now you no longer correspond to your position, and if you do not correspond, then the employer has the right to either transfer you down, or simply refuse. In the process of the same modernization, optimization, or some other ... nation, it turns out that the employer now needs not 15 turners (for example) but only 5. who do you think falls into the number 10? It is the same in any other place.
      1. +1
        15 June 2018 07: 39
        And this is also possible ...
        Once again, I will share the observation. The Chinese smoke a lot, and throw cigarette butts anywhere. In Beijing - every hundred meters old people go with brooms and scoops. Sweep and carry in the bins ... Someone pays them ...
        1. +12
          15 June 2018 07: 58
          Well, in Russia we don’t have as many smokers as in Beijing alone, and again, our beautification services, it’s easier for different management companies to hire “Gaster”, the same Tajiks or Uzbeks. than his pre-retirement old man.
          1. +1
            15 June 2018 16: 57
            Well, in Russia we don’t have as many smokers as in Beijing alone, and again, our beautification services, it’s easier for different management companies to hire “Gaster”, the same Tajiks or Uzbeks. than his pre-retirement old man


            do you want to collect the bulls after others, or the cat-dog guano? Do you want your relatives to do this?
            1. +8
              15 June 2018 20: 58
              Work is not a shame. The janitor himself worked for a while, nothing, did not die of shame.
            2. +2
              16 June 2018 01: 46
              Quote: akunin
              do you want to collect the bulls after others, or the cat-dog guano? Do you want your relatives to do this?

              When you will secure any work you will be glad.
              1. 0
                16 June 2018 22: 04
                But you need to? He worked as a janitor, a nurse, let's sing the ode to the dung with the whole choir. "we were born to make a fairy tale come true" ... and the tremors will not run anywhere.
                1. +2
                  16 June 2018 23: 32
                  Quote: akunin
                  But you need to? He worked as a janitor, a nurse, let's sing the ode to the dung with the whole choir. "we were born to make a fairy tale come true" ... and the tremors will not run anywhere.

                  The shocks will not run away, but if there is no one to restore order in them, it will “run away” from them to your beautiful office. And you will sit head over heels and sing the praises of plumbers, janitors and other maintenance personnel.
                  But your spit in the direction of the "Anthem of Aviators" is not at all appropriate. The people who sang it, in fact, made the fairy tale come true, and did not spoil, as you did in the corners, boasting at the same time of their "high culture" and education. If behind you "highly cultured" in time no one will come to clean up, then you will whip everything around, make a mess ...
                  1. 0
                    17 June 2018 20: 07
                    but they don’t judge others on their own. I don’t understand what caused your mentor tone (unless you are the bearer of some kind of deep truth that is not known to others). I don’t know about you, but I was born to make a fairy tale come true and try to the best of my ability. I don’t look at the corners (I go to the toilet), I always clean up after myself and I wish you.
        2. +21
          15 June 2018 08: 08
          Quote: tasha
          And this is also possible ...
          Once again, I will share the observation. The Chinese smoke a lot, and throw cigarette butts anywhere. In Beijing - every hundred meters old people go with brooms and scoops. Sweep and carry in the bins ... Someone pays them ...

          As I understand you are a supporter of raising the retirement age? But these old people who sweep did not deserve a quiet old age? And how did those who should have provided them earned it? Did this someone deserve their pension in this case? Is there a big difference between the old man’s pension and those who appointed it to him, and those who write laws? Is this fair?
          The author is absolutely right, it would be much calmer to perceive an increase in the retirement age and even an increase in VAT, but only if we really see that the guarantor and the government are working. That they also tightened their belts, that they work in the sweat of their faces, correcting deficiencies in the tax for example, they also fight corruption and do not create the appearance that they do not allow themselves and others to insulting people, which only costs "there is no money but you hold on."
          Summing up, the revolution has become even closer!
          1. 0
            15 June 2018 08: 14
            As I understand it...

            No, you understand incorrectly ... I left a comment there on the article "Citizens, take care of the government." Support my idea, please.

            As for justice ... Nothing so far, somehow another time.
        3. +12
          15 June 2018 08: 30
          Quote: tasha
          Someone pays them ...

          I imagined it. Medvedev with a broom on a pension collects bull-calves.
          1. +4
            15 June 2018 12: 29
            the rest of the old men will beat him with brooms laughing
            1. +2
              15 June 2018 12: 37
              Quote: faiver
              with his brooms, the rest of the old men will score laughing

              Competition in market economics or historical memory? wink
              1. +1
                15 June 2018 15: 04
                Well, the basis will be the second, and the first is already incidental laughing
          2. 0
            15 June 2018 17: 00
            I imagined it. Medvedev with a broom on a pension collects bull-calves.

            the robot will take revenge for him, and the bulls will be golden.
      2. +10
        15 June 2018 07: 41
        The Russian team scores 5 goals for the Saudis, and the Russian government scores 65 Russians !.

        I assumed that they would try to spoil the opening of the World Cup. But, that this would be a native government did not expect ..... here's to you and I am a holiday for all Russians sad
        1. +12
          15 June 2018 08: 14
          native government
          is it still native to you?
          1. +1
            15 June 2018 09: 21
            Quote: Gardamir
            native government
            is it still native to you?

            Is it alien to you? You, forgive the subject of what state?
            1. +14
              15 June 2018 10: 10
              You, forgive the subject of what state?
              Once I was called a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It turns out I'm a subject now. Well, let the subject. But after all, these guys who seized power do not even try to show that they are working for the good of the state.
              By the way, I appeal to everyone, have you looked into the Constitution for a long time? What should we guarantee a person whom some call a guarantor?
              1. +4
                15 June 2018 20: 06
                That's right) Now we are precisely subjects .... We are under oligarchic authority and pay tribute)))
          2. -1
            15 June 2018 09: 26
            All members of the government are citizens of Russia, our compatriots.
            So yes, in a way, dear.
          3. +8
            15 June 2018 09: 33
            Quote: Gardamir
            is it still native to you?

            Recently, communicating with young people, more and more often I hear from them the phrase "why do we need such a state?" The authorities would be worth considering.
            1. AUL
              +11
              15 June 2018 14: 51
              It is thoughtful. The result of deliberation was the National Guard.
    5. +1
      15 June 2018 08: 11
      Or this option: to receive wages in the old place and to it plus a pension. Or will it be too fat for people?
    6. 0
      15 June 2018 09: 34
      Everyone and ALL income must pay to the Pension Fund! Before blaming Medvedev, blame your neighbors for not paying. Fighting objective circumstances is a waste of energy!
      1. +12
        15 June 2018 09: 53
        Before blaming Medvedev, blame your neighbors for not paying.
        Fiscal authorities should monitor the "non-payment". Should the Ministry of Internal Affairs help them, if necessary, what should residents do here? Can citizens start licenses for weapons and alcohol sales and check something else?
      2. +6
        15 June 2018 11: 31
        Everyone and ALL income must pay to the Pension Fund! Before reproaching Medvedev


        Not a, you forget a simple thing. Most of the pensions in the West (except for the social minimum) are the property of a person and are inherited, if suddenly something is wrong with him. And we are being torn from a person, and if he dies, they will be confiscated. Or suddenly it succumbed to them - and took five years of payments. Let's do it then - pay the person all the deductions and start from scratch. At least 65, at least 70.
        1. 0
          17 June 2018 00: 30
          Quote: dauria
          Let's do it then - pay the person all the deductions

          Your contributions go to the maintenance of your parents, you will earn a pension when your children begin to work. In fact, the deficiency of our pension system in the equalization - when they pay everyone the same, they must pay a pension in proportion to the number of children.
      3. 0
        15 June 2018 12: 53
        Dear Victor N. "... ALL and with ALL revenues must pay! .." - the truth speaks with your lips. If we introduced a progressive scale of taxation on personal income tax, then pension contributions to the PF from wealthy Russians would increase sharply. And that would be fair. There are many examples of progressive tax effects in developed European countries. But these examples, according to the government, do not suit us. "... Russian President Vladimir Putin considers the introduction of a differentiated personal income tax rate and sales tax impractical ..."
        P.S. And as soon as it comes to raising the retirement age, then the government immediately refers to European examples. These examples turn out to be very suitable for us:
        "..In addition, other countries have already raised their retirement age, in Russia it has remained one of the lowest. There is no more time for theoretical discussions, a decision must be taken as soon as possible, drew the line prime minister ..."
        ".... As for raising the retirement age, I think that it was inevitable, and we cannot differ in the other direction from developed countries ..." said the economist (former Minister of Economics, HSE academic adviser Yevgeny Yasin).
        What say this, dear Victor?
        1. +2
          15 June 2018 14: 37
          Dear Alexander Anatolyevich!
          The root of the problem is the lack of funds in the Pension Fund due to negative demographic processes. Sources of funds are known. If they worked as they should, the problem would not be so acute, but it would remain. In the country, tens of millions of workers do not pay either to the PF or to the budget. But for the appointment of pensions apply without a twinge of CONSCIENCE. Probably such people write here. It's ugly to say the least. You know how men despise lovers of a freebie, but here it’s even worse.
          As for other sources of replenishment of PFs, they can be sought and found, but up to a certain point when the maintenance of the elderly will interfere with the maintenance of children and the development of society. (Imagine a similar situation in the family - to have an abortion because the old grandfather should be kept). In archaic societies, the elderly were disposed of. Now this is impossible.
          This implies the need to find a compromise, that is, on our part, to make some concessions in the interests of society and its young part. And this can and should be compensated by increased care for oneself and for one's parents.
          I am already a very adult and have learned to understand the insuperability of objective circumstances and the futility of empty fuss. Be wise!
          1. +4
            15 June 2018 19: 57
            Victor n (Victor n) This implies the need to find a compromise, that is, on our part, we must make some concessions in the interests of society and its young part. And this can be compensated for and must be enhanced by caring for ourselves and our parents.
            laughing Here you, dear already surpassed yourself.
            Do I need a compromise between me and me?
            And we can add. tax to pay for the fact that I am a citizen of a great country?
            Where do you find such "peacekeepers"?
            Change the flag, people in the war have a keen sense of justice, you don’t have it
            1. 0
              16 June 2018 06: 21
              Here, those who hoped for help simply die out.
              That's why I say: rely ONLY on yourself.
              Experience.
          2. +4
            16 June 2018 06: 00
            And who is to blame for some negative demographic processes?
            Perhaps this is the machinations of aliens, and not the consequences of liberal-democratic reforms that have befallen Russia.
            And if millions of workers do not pay taxes, then here is the problem in the state itself.
            Having such a staff of tax tax collectors and policemen, you can probably track where the black salary is paid, but something is not tracked. Either the tax collection system is not effective or the trackers themselves are lazy and out of place, or both on the heap.
            Moreover, without paying taxes, working people don’t see the need for such a state, going to work on a black salary a person understands that the state is not his assistant and he ignores him (and there is no choice in favor of a white salary)
            Yes, and looking at how this state is deceiving citizens over and over again, the choice is clearly not in favor of honest work with a white salary.
            Raising the retirement age with the sauce of caring for people is another but not the last twist of the CAPITALIST OPERATING state and its misunderstanding called the government.
            I, too, am already an adult and I understand the impossibility of objective circumstances, as well as the promise of the government - die if you do not rob pension, the budget is not for you, it is for them.
            Be wise, die.
            1. 0
              16 June 2018 12: 52
              A demographic catastrophe is the result of equal rights and privileges for women. So this is the direct inheritance of the Reds. It is impossible to change this, for a simple reason, the majority of voters are also women.

              Since the 60s (when abortion was allowed), women have killed 220 million people. There is no one to pay pensions.
              1. +1
                16 June 2018 13: 26
                yeah, the red ones and the women are not to blame, you can’t argue, but what in other countries did the red abortions allow?
                It is necessary to remember who is immediately to blame for the women and the red without options
      4. +8
        15 June 2018 20: 13
        So I want to send you far and for long .... The state just now will not wait for me. Let the offshore pay .... But I will not. With an average family income of 6000 rubles per person, taxes can’t afford me. It is necessary to bring up three sons, and not feed parasites in the civil service ..
    7. +9
      15 June 2018 15: 51
      In our organization, after optimization, they threw people who six months before retirement were left as far as I remember. With work in our city is full Tryndets. How do you like this option?
    8. 0
      15 June 2018 20: 42
      Yes, let old people everywhere work in normal work, and young people in janitors! Correctly
      , so we need it.
    9. 0
      15 June 2018 22: 51
      refusals for employment do not depend on the official terms of retirement, the civil service is not the largest segment of the population’s employment, and there is such a wonderful thing as a fixed-term contract, you will not be refused by age, the contract is simply completed
    10. 0
      18 June 2018 22: 36
      Wages are paid not at the old workplace, but simply at the workplace: where you work here and now, there you get a salary. By the way, even today's legislation does not prohibit continuing to work after reaching retirement age and not receiving a pension. Like, but then it (pension) will become not just big, but huge.
  2. +1
    15 June 2018 05: 37
    First you make the money of various funds work inside the country, untwist the flywheel of economic growth, raise pensions to an acceptable level.


    Give, do, bring ...

    Here is another reason to think. The official will work longer, he needs to pay more, he has more experience, position ... That is raising the retirement age of civil servants is not very beneficial for the state, is it?
    1. +13
      15 June 2018 06: 11
      Age is still flowers! Our benefactors want the client to save money for his pension .... Type for a major overhaul. But where and how much? Create funds and cry your money and pensions ...
      1. 0
        15 June 2018 09: 39
        Do not consider yourself to be someone else's client. You must love yourself and take care of yourself. For this, and savings are needed. Especially for those who did not bother to get children-grandchildren.
        1. +9
          15 June 2018 10: 30
          You must love yourself and take care of yourself.
          I agree, but if I myself, then why should I pay taxes? I already pay for toll roads, I pay for a physical examination, I agree to forget about retirement, but then gentlemen from the Kremlin, do not ask me for taxes because I myself.
          1. +1
            15 June 2018 14: 53
            Everything is very simple, it’s even strange that such doubts arise: if you are a CITIZEN, then please pay for the maintenance of the STATE. Separately, citizens pay to maintain the SOCIETY by providing public goods, which include pensions, and the state redistributes the collected funds. These are the conditions, they haven’t come up with others, although the anarchists are still trying.
            The beginning of this came from our ancestors, who completely voluntarily took off for the maintenance of the squad so as not to be distracted from peasant labor themselves. The prince, the king is initially the DEFENDERS.
            Whatever society helps you, it will always be a little, but more must be ensured by yourself. WHAT THE SUPPRESSING MOST AND DOES.
            1. +6
              15 June 2018 17: 07
              if you are a CITIZEN, then please pay for the maintenance of the STATE.
              The state took care of me. And it’s not even a state. Some are left to survive. Millionths of others pay themselves salaries.
    2. +17
      15 June 2018 06: 13
      "and in the event of a change in tax legislation, Vladimir Vladimirovich’s friends will begin to massively hide offshore revenues?" And they won’t raise taxes to them ... Because friends ..
      1. +1
        15 June 2018 14: 56
        But GDP will calculate you and challenge you to a duel for slimy accusations - don’t you get it?
        1. 0
          19 June 2018 20: 12
          No. Ready.
      2. Alf
        +1
        15 June 2018 23: 03
        Quote: 210ox
        "and in the event of a change in tax legislation, Vladimir Vladimirovich’s friends will begin to massively hide offshore revenues?" And they won’t raise taxes to them ... Because friends ..

    3. +6
      15 June 2018 07: 18
      Quote: tasha
      The official will work longer, he needs to pay more, he has more experience, position ... That is raising the retirement age of civil servants is not very beneficial for the state, is it?

      Seriously? belay And who represents government agencies advocating raising pensions. age? Are these officials? wink
      1. 0
        15 June 2018 07: 47
        Here I am about the same .. So what is better? Let them work longer than young people come to replace these bureaucratic structures and turn into waiters? wink
    4. +1
      15 June 2018 20: 02
      Quote: tasha
      First you make the money of various funds work inside the country, untwist the flywheel of economic growth, raise pensions to an acceptable level.


      Give, do, bring ...

      Here is another reason to think. The official will work longer, he needs to pay more, he has more experience, position ... That is raising the retirement age of civil servants is not very beneficial for the state, is it?

      Nearly. Only normal civil servants in retirement do not live long. Therefore, those who do not steal and are not in high office, try to retire after 20 years
  3. +9
    15 June 2018 05: 46
    According to the tax scale, Volodya explained it this way .... As a rule, after entering such a scale, everyone who has big income immediately hides money and looks for ways to not pay it at all. In other words, while the old tax is paid at least, if you enter it it will go away into the shadow that hit economy. In short, the weak Volodya cannot force to pay.
    1. +7
      15 June 2018 07: 21
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      .As a rule, after entering such a scale, all who have large incomes immediately hide the headstock and look for ways not to pay them

      The author did not in vain draw an analogy with the Pendos laws - Friedman and Aven with Vekselberg will not want to go to prison, and will pay regularly if punishment is inevitable. hi
      1. +5
        15 June 2018 14: 10
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Friedman and Aven with Vekselberg in prison
        What are you saying? Them to jail ?! Do not think about Rotenberg!
  4. +16
    15 June 2018 06: 19
    Quote: tasha
    And how do you like this option: raising the retirement age will enable people to receive wages at the old workplace

    How about your head? fool Today, and so pensioners who have health usually work at old jobs, and if a person barely barely works at 60, and he is still 5 years old before retirement, what should he do.
  5. +14
    15 June 2018 06: 27
    There was and will not be any dialogue with the people of today's government. From the word NEVER. How she (the government) interprets the opinion of people, everyone remembers the collapse of the USSR. 70 percent for the USSR, and the head lab with a drunk against. No need to be mistaken. To clean up the taxation does not need to philosophize. Already passed in 1933. Just one decree. December 8, 1933, decree 2652. And the whole bacchanalia ends. Volcano will not accept laws against themselves. This is not in the USSR. There is no leader. No party. There is no support from the people. And there is no national idea. Loot does not count.
    1. +14
      15 June 2018 07: 27
      Quote: T.Henks
      There is no support from the people.

      People chew snot while sitting by zombies, washing soap series Klinsky. And unfortunately wakes up only when strongly baked. And with muddy eyes he will run to the Red Square, shouting "Down!" All this was already in the 17th and 91st. And there he will be met by a "beautiful" lady with cookies.
      The situation is absolutely stalemate, and the trouble is that the current government is completely satisfied with this. recourse
      1. +4
        15 June 2018 08: 27
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: T.Henks
        There is no support from the people.

        People chew snot while sitting by zombies, washing soap series Klinsky. And unfortunately wakes up only when strongly baked. And with muddy eyes he will run to the Red Square, shouting "Down!" All this was already in the 17th and 91st. And there he will be met by a "beautiful" lady with cookies.
        The situation is absolutely stalemate, and the trouble is that the current government is completely satisfied with this. recourse

        It’s sad girls, but it’s so. Many are reassured by the fact that GDP will never retire, and there will be rowing from under the people.
  6. +6
    15 June 2018 06: 30
    Or are we afraid that in this case they will refuse Russian passports ...

    WE We’re not afraid of anything, because for eighteen years US became bigger and we began to live better, and you rogue ones have bred so much that you can only corrode you with such laws. WE in six years you’ll not even think of such a thing ... tongue wassat Yes
    1. +12
      15 June 2018 07: 33
      Quote: ROSS 42
      because for eighteen years

      I recall the beginning of the 2000s, when the country seemed to be on its knees - Z \ P was in the region of 15000, and gasoline was 6 rubles. Since then, S / N has grown by 80 percent, and gasoline and products by 600-700%. Stability, so its outright.
      1. -2
        15 June 2018 09: 31
        Not always. Our salary here has grown by about 8 times during this time.
      2. 0
        15 June 2018 09: 31
        I recall the 2002 th ... s / n 800 rub. I remember the 2004 th ... s / n 2000 rub.
        1. +2
          15 June 2018 10: 06
          Quote: Less
          I recall the 2002 ... s / n 800 rubles

          On the AvtoVAZ conveyor, a simple mechanic of MCP 4 grades received at least 7000.
          Have you received the allowance or what?
          1. +1
            15 June 2018 10: 10
            Design engineer of the first category. Defense industry
            1. +1
              15 June 2018 10: 25
              Quote: Less
              Design engineer of the first category. Defense industry

              Sorry, but I do not believe you. 2002, a graduate of the Togliatti Polytechnic University, a year after graduation, received 4-5 tr, working in a small supply chain. Bring it, give it a go, don’t bother.
              I repeat, after graduating from the SEEA, I traded cassettes in the market, having a tag in a month.
              You tell me about some 800 rubles.
              1. +1
                15 June 2018 10: 28
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Sorry, but I do not believe you.

                Your will.
                1. +2
                  15 June 2018 10: 43
                  Quote: Less
                  Your will.

                  Of course mine. The police major in 2002 received 11-13 tr. And they were paid little in those years. A school accountant (!), And not the main one, received from 2002 in 10000. This is in Tolyatti.
                  So you either confuse the year or lie corny. wink
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2018 11: 15
                    For an accountant, especially not the main thing I will not say. And for the police major, too. But here the police captain in our area received 15 TR just before they were sharply raised. And this was far from the 2002. So that:
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    you either confuse the years, or lie corny.

                    Either think before blaming anyone for a lie.
                  2. +2
                    15 June 2018 20: 20
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Less
                    Your will.

                    Of course mine. The police major in 2002 received 11-13 tr. And they were paid little in those years. A school accountant (!), And not the main one, received from 2002 in 10000. This is in Tolyatti.
                    So you either confuse the year or lie corny. wink

                    police major in 2002 11-13?
                    But I didn’t know.
                    Tell me where to go for discrimination on a territorial basis?
                    ...
                    I hope ... 11-13 in 2002. belay


                    Maybe you still have receipts from the major and the accountant for those years ?. Well, just interesting. I have a few other numbers. You can discuss in PM.
                    1. 0
                      22 June 2018 23: 01
                      Being a major in 2002, I received as a trolley bus driver - 14 tyrov. And at the expense of receipts for those years - a rotten receiver ....
            2. Alf
              +2
              15 June 2018 23: 08
              Quote: Less
              Design engineer of the first category. Defense industry

              I. Adjuster-operator of CNC 5th category. 2002 - Samara-Aircraft Unit. Single shift work without Saturdays and overtime. Z / P-6,5-7 thousand.
        2. +3
          15 June 2018 10: 13
          I recall the 2002 ... s / n 800 rubles. I remember the 2004th ... s / n 20

          Either your memory is very bad, or you did not work in those years. In 2000, the driver on a truck received 3000-3500r. In 2008 he received 18000r.
          1. 0
            15 June 2018 10: 17
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            .In 2000, the driver on the truck received 3000-3500r.

            In Moscow?
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            Either your memory is very bad, or you did not work in those years.

            If he didn’t work, he wouldn’t speak. And a sin to complain about.
            1. +3
              15 June 2018 10: 27



              I hope you can visually analyze it?
              1. +1
                15 June 2018 10: 37


                And a bit more
                1. +4
                  15 June 2018 10: 45
                  I especially liked that this is a layout in Moscow
              2. +2
                15 June 2018 10: 38
                How do people live on the minimum wage and raise children the question was not asked?
                1. +1
                  15 June 2018 10: 43
                  But you don’t tell me about it. I have more children than many.
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2018 10: 48
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    But you don’t tell me about it.

                    In that case, your hint
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    I hope you can visually analyze it?

                    not appropriate. For you know everything yourself.
                  2. +2
                    15 June 2018 11: 11
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    I have more children than many.

                    Oh oh I have four! wink
                    1. +2
                      15 June 2018 15: 02
                      Well, I'm sorry. I can’t catch up. Three and EVERYTHING. requestEconomics damn it.
          2. 0
            15 June 2018 17: 52
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            In 2000, the driver on the truck received 3000-3500r.

            Remembering the NTV report, about zero, the worker, with the badge "Honorary Nuclear Engineer", received 600 rubles. I had one and a half, but I'm not a nuclear scientist.
  7. +4
    15 June 2018 06: 35
    When I voted for Putin, I voted for stability. I naively thought that for so many years I had already stolen ...
    1. +14
      15 June 2018 08: 19
      I voted for stability
      You should not be disappointed. Stably rip off people. And after the dismissal of Dmitry Anatolyevich, some Volodin will take his place. For whom in the next election 77% will vote. Otherwise, you have to choose (here they will slip some analogue of Sobchak).
      1. -1
        15 June 2018 09: 32
        Poor you poor! All that you cunning Putin palms not those.
        Maybe you yourself are not the fighters with the regime?
        1. +2
          15 June 2018 11: 40
          He palm off those, only those whom he needs ... This is not the first time this is - that in 2012, that this year ..
  8. +17
    15 June 2018 06: 40
    If we recall the frozen funded pension, then the "kid" of the Medvedev government is simply overwhelming.
    Judging by the unprecedented rush to make "unpopular decisions" with finances in the Russian Federation, something is "wrong."
    ps 76% - the authorities perceived as a guaranteed subscription to "eat up" the budget.
    1. +7
      15 June 2018 07: 34
      Quote: samarin1969
      Medvedev government "kidok"

      The tuzik barks as much as the chain allows him. wink
    2. +4
      15 June 2018 10: 17
      And what about the voluntary pension financing. Scam continues? Is there anyone who pays so far?
  9. +8
    15 June 2018 07: 31
    There is nothing to give birth to and raise children. there’s no gain. There was nothing to buy a living space for. There are no new families. Old people instead of sitting with their grandchildren will earn a pension ...
    So I wish that in my youth I hadn’t entered a military school, right now I would have been retired. One year after retirement, the average death is tough. This is also, in the table, men together with women, and if separately, then men will not survive to retirement, in the majority.
    1. -2
      15 June 2018 09: 33
      In the kindergarten, turn to school.
      Where did they all come from? If "there is no growth and new families" ...
      1. +10
        15 June 2018 10: 33
        If "there is no growth and new families" ...
        But there is an optimization of schools.
        You ask your superiors to add colleagues, and the three of you can’t cope.
  10. +9
    15 June 2018 07: 33
    Putin during the elections guaranteed to prevent a cent increase on gasoline, tax increases and pennies. And he also introduced, if I am not mistaken, an additional payment of temporary benefits for giving birth to first, second, third and more children.

    Questions:
    1. And who will give birth to children, 80% of whom will not survive to retirement?
    2. Who will bear children in fact for labor slavery and starvation at 60?

    How is it in the "Voroshilov arrow"? - "all my life in reserve salt, matches, and now here are the cartridges, Lord ...".
    1. +17
      15 June 2018 07: 36
      Quote: Nonna
      And who will give birth to children, 80% of whom will not survive to retirement?

      Guest workers. They are much more convenient for the government than the indigenous population.
      1. +2
        15 June 2018 21: 28
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Nonna
        And who will give birth to children, 80% of whom will not survive to retirement?

        Guest workers. They are much more convenient for the government than the indigenous population.

        Igor! As a rule, I disagree with you in many ways. But now....
        Catch +199699. good
    2. +2
      17 June 2018 00: 44
      Quote: Nonna
      1. And who will give birth to children, 80% of whom will not survive to retirement?
      2. Who will bear children in fact for labor slavery and starvation at 60?

      You confuse cause and effect. The pension system stalls because people do not give birth and do not raise children, but not vice versa.
  11. +5
    15 June 2018 07: 35
    Under the guise of the World Cup, they pushed an increase in age to distract the masses of the people. Honestly, he hoped that the guarantor would keep his word that made him vote but expectations did not materialize.
    1. +14
      15 June 2018 08: 22
      Honestly, he hoped that the guarantor would keep his word
      And what are the examples when he restrained? Remember, he promised to soak it in toilets, but he didn’t tell anyone.
  12. +10
    15 June 2018 08: 02
    First, jobs would be created, and then they would raise the retirement age (especially for men) Everywhere job advertisements are up to 35 years old .. And the rest, what to shoot? In Soviet times, there were no problems with work, even parasites were planted .. And what now do peasants in old age? All hope is to die quickly and painlessly (heart attack). In order not to be dependent .. Medvedev is clearly going to be sharp to reduce the population of Russia! Well done!
    1. +3
      15 June 2018 20: 16
      Medvedev clearly intended to reduce the population of Russia! Well done!

      And Uzbek-Tajik-Kyrgyz, etc., is a new, at the initial stage, convenient population of Russia. The borders for this are open.
  13. +8
    15 June 2018 08: 03
    One gets the impression that Russia is led by people who are far from Russians, they absolutely do not care about our problems, desires, we for them are a herd from which they make a profit. Russians, Tatars, Chuvashs, etc. cannot act to the detriment of their peoples, only strangers who rob and take out can. It turns out that our power is not ours, it helps its own by giving them billions (Rotenberg, Vekselberg ...) and it is ready to take off the last skin from us. Yes, in words the mountains of gold promise us, but only their words do not mean anything, so the owner can stroke, calm the cattle before stabbing.
    1. +9
      15 June 2018 08: 45
      Quote: Alex66
      One gets the impression that Russia is led by people who are far from Russians, they absolutely do not care about our problems, desires, we for them are a herd from which they make a profit. Russians, Tatars, Chuvashs, etc. cannot act to the detriment of their peoples, only strangers who rob and take out can. It turns out that our power is not ours, it helps its own by giving them billions (Rotenberg, Vekselberg ...) and it is ready to take off the last skin from us. Yes, in words the mountains of gold promise us, but only their words do not mean anything, so the owner can stroke, calm the cattle before stabbing.

      Yes, but 76% still look at the brightest with hope and tenderness! A hangover will be severe.
      1. +1
        15 June 2018 09: 54
        Quote: godun
        Yes, but 76% still look at the brightest with hope and tenderness! A hangover will be severe.

        Hangover? What are you talking about, you live in Russia. Here, a hangover is the norm ... If you want a drink, take a vodka letter. And 76% will tell you ... "and who .. well, what about Sobchachak or something?" And what do you answer them ????
      2. +3
        15 June 2018 11: 47
        Both me and my girlfriend were observers at the elections, especially in different polling stations in different parts of the region ... Everywhere there is only one picture - the old people came to vote mainly (according to feelings of 80 percent)! And all with the words "our dear, the collapse of the country is inadmissible" ... There were almost no people from 35-40 and younger (in our 2 precincts the turnout was in the region of 40%) .. So, not to mention farce with these elections and candidates, I could not call the elections popular and unconditional ... Although yes, according to the protocol everything is true ...
        1. +2
          15 June 2018 16: 26
          Quote: parma
          So, not to mention the farce with these elections and candidates, I would not be able to call the elections popular and unconditional ... Although yes, the protocol is correct ...

          What surprised you. Old people and children are the most gullible ... they watch TV from morning till night ... where Putin does all the good and the Americans do all the bad ... This is not the question. WHO wouldn’t come, it will be exactly the same .. Here is such a metaphysics. Ukraine also thought that the case was in Yanukovych ... and as a result, corruption only increased ... And there are exactly the same people as ours. The same mentality. Therefore, to me personally, it’s too early who: Putin, Navalny or Zhirinovsky .. everything will be the same. The issue of propaganda, nothing more.
  14. +14
    15 June 2018 08: 27
    Congratulations. What the government and those around it have been talking about for so long has happened. And the time is such a good choice - Moody ..., mundi ..., in short, al (who will not tell me why this word so obscene for the Russian ear is used instead of the usual?). Everything is like notes, explanations of the need, gingerbread cookies in the form of a crane with a thousand .... On TV Syria, Donbass. No outrage and protests from any parties. But, Siluanov did not restrain himself and said that the next in line were the military, workers of hazardous industries, and northerners. So, what else are flowers, then berries will be. Six more years to come.
    Here, the answer was found to the eternal question: "Who is to blame?" Still, Putin, Medvedev and their team. It seems to me not only they, we are all. Still to answer another question: "What to do?".
    PS There is one puncture. On June 14, 1928, Che Guevara was born.
    1. +1
      15 June 2018 09: 40
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      It seems to me not only they, we are all.

      Yes, we are all Vinvata, we do not have competitive products. And if so, you need to work more and get less. Everything is logical ... Only loafers whine, give more money and reduce the time of work.
      1. +3
        15 June 2018 10: 36
        Quote: Semen1972
        Yes, we are all Vinvata, we do not have competitive products. And if so, you need to work more and get less. Everything is logical ... Only loafers whine, give more money and reduce the time of work.

        Zdra-a-a-ste, Semyon! And, what kind of competitive products do you personally produce, why and how therefore do you work more? Not an hour from the managers?
        1. 0
          15 June 2018 10: 56
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Zdra-a-a-ste, Semyon! And, what kind of competitive products do you personally produce, why and how therefore do you work more? Not an hour from the managers?

          I’m in Moscow, they don’t produce goods here, grandmothers do here ... good grandmas ... selling imported goods expensively to our plants. And I have a decent income .. and who aching, you need to work more and sleep less .. and there is.
          1. +12
            15 June 2018 11: 39
            Quote: Semen1972
            I’m in Moscow, they don’t produce goods here, grandmas do ... good grandmas ..

            So, you are with the Prime Minister of the same field of berries. He is also in Moscow and also makes money, good money! Only a larger scope. On gasoline, on pensioners, on insurance, on VAT ....
            And to work and create, so you offer more and get less for others?
            1. 0
              15 June 2018 16: 30
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              So, you are with the Prime Minister of the same field of berries. He is also in Moscow and also makes money, good money! Only a larger scope. On gasoline, on pensioners, on insurance, on VAT ....
              And to work and create, so you offer more and get less for others?

              If you do not go into details, then you have correctly noticed everything. But without going into particular, I say, our goods are not quoted in the West, and our market is limited ... Therefore, why would we suddenly increase our salaries and pensions .... But since pensioners are the backbone of our regime, we will raise them. ... 200 rubles, let them thank for it until the end of time .. And we will take the money from the workers .. Do you have another recipe ??? Factories to workers, land to peasants. Since a smart one, why don’t you go to power ????? !!!
              1. 0
                16 June 2018 01: 10
                Semen1972 (Semen) Yesterday, 16:30
                Since a smart one, why don’t you go to power ????? !!!

                Schazzzz ... On the run - right to the mayors.
                - What is the "municipal filter", have you heard?
          2. +1
            15 June 2018 22: 08
            Quote: Semen1972
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Zdra-a-a-ste, Semyon! And, what kind of competitive products do you personally produce, why and how therefore do you work more? Not an hour from the managers?

            I’m in Moscow, they don’t produce goods here, grandmothers do here ... good grandmas ... selling imported goods expensively to our plants. And I have a decent income .. and who aching, you need to work more and sleep less .. and there is.

            Semyon!
            And you sincerely believe that you are "working hard" ....
            Ohoho ....
            Where the planet is heading ... (c).
            request
    2. -2
      15 June 2018 10: 15
      Abroad will help you.
      Forward.
  15. +5
    15 June 2018 08: 42
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Nonna
    And who will give birth to children, 80% of whom will not survive to retirement?

    Guest workers. They are much more convenient for the government than the indigenous population.

    Every morning I go to work past kindergarten, 20-30% of the children are newcomers, there is such a fact.
  16. +2
    15 June 2018 09: 03
    A bit of black humor
    The country recorded a record increase in the number of criminal proceedings against persons near retirement age. The number of attempts on the life and health of deputies and employees of the state apparatus has increased. The Interior Ministry said that these violations are not related to each other.
  17. +8
    15 June 2018 09: 27
    “A friend of mine, having heard about this news, said:“ I was personally refused a job at 38 years old, precisely because of my “too big” age. ”

    That says it all. The government and the deputies do not care about the people and their problems. Raising the retirement age is another lesson for Russian voters. It is impossible to naively believe what those in power say, they cannot be considered crystal clear and immensely decent, since the path to power is lined with crimes and betrayal. I think this is just the beginning. The queue for the communal apartment and the introduction of additional taxes.
  18. +1
    15 June 2018 09: 37
    To admit, the most unpleasant expectation in connection with the opening of the World Cup was a possible attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbass.

    The author, if you understand that your vision of the world does not coincide with reality .. why do you write? This is about Ukraine. Maybe you need to figure it out first. Now about Russia. The country, according to the unanimously elected president, is in a stage of steady growth, statistics show income growth, growth in life expectancy, a confident white line ... And the author rotts our economists ... You can, like Europe, put all the money into the economy and give sovereignty at the mercy of the United States. The author does not understand this .. as well as the APU’s offensive to open the World Cup ... In general, I wish one thing for the opponents of Putin and his economic policy ... live in Ukraine, Belarus, etc. and compare, and then give out your "analysis" of the economy. .
    1. +7
      15 June 2018 10: 52
      The author is 99.9% right. The government first needs to learn how to collect taxes, spend them intelligently, and not cut them, left and right. and if it is reasonable and correct to do this, then raising the retirement age will not be required at least in the next 50 years. The people live in poverty, waiting for retirement like a paradise. In our village, rarely do any of the men live after 70 years ........................... ...
    2. 0
      15 June 2018 12: 47
      According to the unanimously elected president, is in a stage of steady growth, statistics show income growth, growth in life expectancy, confident white streak
      - he lied to you hi
    3. +1
      15 June 2018 18: 01
      Quote: Semen1972
      The country, according to the unanimously elected president, is in a stage of steady growth, statistics show income growth, growth in life expectancy, confident white streak ..

      Right now, I looked at football. Egypt-Uruguay, the stadium is full of empty seats. What are the incomes if you can’t buy a World Cup ticket already? I don’t remember the World Cup with half empty stands.
      1. +1
        16 June 2018 00: 02
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Egypt-Uruguay, the stadium is full of empty seats.

        Of the 32000 that holds the stadium in Yekaterinburg, 27500 came.
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        What are the incomes if you can’t buy a World Cup ticket already?

        belay Strange conclusion. The theme was this: FIFA, as a rule, reserves a def. number of premium tickets for sponsors and partners (read, for fat cats that make organizations crap). So today these very places (about 4500) were not filled. They will find out why (well, it’s apparently far away for them to get to the Urals).
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I don’t remember the World Cup with half empty stands.

        So, it’s necessary not only to watch the finale. laughing This is a common thing for every World Cup (I’m ready to share statistics, although everything is already available) - there are “passing” matches, there are “non-title” ones, etc.
        1. 0
          16 June 2018 00: 26
          Quote: Paranoid50
          They will find out why (well, it’s apparently far away for them to get to the Urals).

          So let them find out. They write that the day before the match, tickets were sold, but before that - no.
        2. 0
          16 June 2018 06: 49
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Egypt-Uruguay, the stadium is full of empty seats.

          Of the 32000 that holds the stadium in Yekaterinburg, 27500 came.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          What are the incomes if you can’t buy a World Cup ticket already?

          belay Strange conclusion. The theme was this: FIFA, as a rule, reserves a def. number of premium tickets for sponsors and partners (read, for fat cats that make organizations crap). So today these very places (about 4500) were not filled. They will find out why (well, it’s apparently far away for them to get to the Urals).
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I don’t remember the World Cup with half empty stands.

          So, it’s necessary not only to watch the finale. laughing This is a common thing for every World Cup (I’m ready to share statistics, although everything is already available) - there are “passing” matches, there are “non-title” ones, etc.

          but no matter how many come. The stadium was built for our money, and units will receive / received the broth.
          Yes, I do not mind World Cup 18 in the Russian Federation.
          Against looting.
          But this is a completely different story .....
    4. +3
      15 June 2018 20: 54
      Semen. 1972. Are you in which of the parallel realities? Alas, after your comment I will perceive only this way.
      Although, maybe you are one of those who through life succeeded and go easily. Then happy for you.
  19. +2
    15 June 2018 10: 09
    New verses from Cord:
    Some kind of dexterity is needed here,
    So as not to swell, not to stab.
    Retirement age, like carrots,
    Before the donkey that circles at the well.
    Do not reach it like the horizon.
    You are to him, and he is not at all closer.
    The positivism of Auguste Comte will not save.
    Give vodka and two packs of caps.
    Drunk already sitting at the square.
    Life is beautiful, at least don't die!
    Retirement age is faith
    Like the afterlife, like hell and paradise!
    Retirement age is an idol
    The image, and under the colors - plywood.
    Maybe there, but I have not seen for a long time,
    Not in a dream, but in reality of a pensioner.
  20. +5
    15 June 2018 11: 36
    In addition to the retirement age, the length of insurance increases, this is a condition under which you will generally be given a pension. Many will never get it
    1. +7
      15 June 2018 12: 04
      Well, that's just not what many see, for now. Now one “uncle” was watching TV on RBC in a lucid manner and explained all the “innovations”, including the fact that each year they will increase their seniority for receiving a pension and it is planned for those who have not worked out their experience how “parasites” to start paying pensions with ... 70 years old. Personally, in the 90s and in the early 2000s I worked in a lot of companies and “scarabs”, most of which did not leave the archive data in full and I have not worked for them for more than 5 years, and such I’m in the country of millions. In such "pies with kittens."
  21. +1
    15 June 2018 11: 40
    Watch the speech of one deputy on the issue of retirement age https://vk.com/away.php?to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yout
    ube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeMfvFdWO-Ng%26feature%3Dsha
    re & cc_key =
  22. +12
    15 June 2018 12: 16
    Anti-People's Prospect - Men - 65: 0
    Anti-People's Prospect - Women - 63: 0
    A social pension in general 70: 0
    And what moment is chosen - under the guise of the 2018 World Cup. The meanness of the pr-v is unlimited.
  23. +1
    15 June 2018 12: 19
    If the stars are lit, then someone needs it.
    If in a country there is a mess in certain areas, someone also needs this.
  24. +1
    15 June 2018 12: 46
    Already posted this link. So the question is - Has anyone signed up or will we whine on the forum?
    https://www.change.org/p/не-повышать-пенсионный-в
    age
    / Copy the link. Paste in the browser bar. Delete the “space” in the word “age” between “in” and “about”. Press enter. Register and sign up. /
    Threat. Admins! When do you allow users to embed "active" links?
  25. +11
    15 June 2018 13: 24
    Quote: Rich
    You, forgive the subject of what state?

    -------------------------
    Excuse me, do you already live in the monarchy? These are subjects of the monarch; citizens live in the republic. How to contact you in this case, Your Excellency or Your Grace? We have no honor to know your regalia.
    PS In general, your reservation on Freud. Soon, serfdom, uniforms with epaulettes and trousers with galloons will be returned, they will crunch with French rolls. Here we’ll heal.
    1. +8
      15 June 2018 16: 32
      Quote: Altona
      PS In general, your reservation on Freud. Soon, serfdom, uniforms with epaulettes and trousers with galloons will be returned, they will crunch with French rolls. Here we’ll heal.

      Well, if it came to the point that people kneel when addressing the president. In Soviet times, this is simply unthinkable
  26. +5
    15 June 2018 13: 27
    Here Peskov explains how it so happened that the president is not keeping his word: http: //tass.ru/ekonomika/5294327? Utm_source
    = finobzor.ru
    It turns out that everything is simple and as usual, the “State Department” is to blame (“changing the situation”). It turns out that tens of billions of dollars (“dollars, not Karl's dollars!”) Are prosperous “effective managers” in “bursting” American banks. than, also, nothing to do with tens of billions of dollars tucked into the “Olympiads”, “summits”, “championships”, “cosmodromes”, etc. as “nothing to do” and “forgiven” billions of dollars to “friends” and “partners” ... .and also hundreds of millions of dollars in the apartments and garages of gentlemen like Zakharchenko ... but the "State Department" and ... unconscious Citizens of the country who still live in "obsolete" "socialist" ideas about "social" justice, the times of the USSR ... winked
  27. +5
    15 June 2018 13: 30
    It is impossible to imagine how much the government could make “unpopular decisions” if our players reached the final (!) And won ... In general, it’s scary to think, it’s breathtaking.
    But seriously, where does the money come from in a pension fund, if according to Rosstat estimates we have 20 million freelancers who work only for themselves, live in all kinds of summer cottages, in SNT, garages, rented apartments, etc., as if dissolved in the vastness of our vast Motherland, like refined sugar? The military, honor to them, bashfully hide behind the 1,5 million army. But actually, how many “people with a gun” do we have? Further, they say that there are more stateless people (without the military, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Guard, the Zheldor troops, the Ministry of Emergencies, the construction battalions and God knows who / with all sorts of benefits and “crusts”, just “pure” bureaucrats) than in USSR (though I don’t know, throughout the USSR or only in the RSFSR). But, anyway, if there were 20 with more than a million people there (for the half-life of the country at the end of the 1980's), then, therefore, today their number exceeds these same 20 million, i.e. together with the above categories, this is 45-50 million people divorced from real production, half of which make no deductions to the budget at all, but uses budget money in terms of salaries, pensions, payments for children, various kinds of subsidies, etc. . It turns out so? Provided that the Russian labor force according to the forecasts of Rosstat by 2020 will decrease to 71,7 million people, it is logical to assume that the state robbing those who work in it, but do not serve it directly and do not lodge quietly in it, i.e. mainly those who are part of the 25-30 million workers and are actually engaged in industry, agriculture, science and legal business, i.e. it just produces the very notorious GDP of the country, which is operated by the government and Rosstat. A smaller part feeds a large one, they hung a carrot in front of their nose, for which they must go. This arithmetic seems to me very entertaining. But this is not to infinity.
    1. +9
      15 June 2018 14: 04
      Ah, it turns out the "freelancers" are to blame. And who are the "freelancers"? It’s just those who, according to Mr. Chubais, “didn’t fit into the market,” that is, those who are interrupted by random earnings, and for the most part these earnings are small and very, very “periodic” .... For example, I have such people freelancers. " One uncle constantly hangs out near a small market in the area, bring something to the traders, help to unload, load, etc. He doesn’t receive money at all, they just feed him there and give something with food, and yes he is “thumping,” the second freelancers are a family with two children — both at night are engaged in laying out products in stores such as Magnit Pyaterochka — they receive money every day in their arms — they live “starving.” Sometimes I treat their children and the way they eat shows the "wealth" of this family. Further, they live in a rented apartment "Uzbek-Tajiks" -tech takes away every morning and brings a bus in the evening-they work in "outsourcing" -clean the porches, courtyards and stuff-they constantly complain that not only are they paid pennies , so also constantly "throw" money. The woman who rents them an apartment can also be attributed to the "freelancers" because she pays tax under a "simple contract", but she constantly complains that tenants cheat on her, don’t pay on time, “wind up”, spoil the counters, spoil property, they steal it, they litter the apartment so that it is necessary to spend money on repairs after each tenant and, moreover, it is difficult to drive them out to the bandits, if they start to greyhound, the state does nothing to help it, in solving these issues, it only requires taxes , and for what, than it (states o) helps her? Why am I ... And to the fact that all this is called the settlement of "labor relations" and this is a PROGRESS of the STATE. Not mine, not my neighbor, namely the state! It is for this that it (the state) is needed. It is the state that must develop and implement simple and understandable mechanisms so that citizens conduct their business and earn money legally and protected from any arbitrariness. But the "state" does nothing in this regard! It’s not going to settle anything, it’s not going to help people conduct their business correctly, to solve issues and problems that arise, it instead stupidly “plunders” them, persistently searching for: and where can we grab them (citizens) to get money from them in full! Our state is a “burglar”, a “bandit from the high road”, which everyone tries not to catch the eye and avoid his attention ... “Citizens' trust in their state” is the problem, the real problem of Russia, and not some then there are "freelancers" ....
      1. 0
        15 June 2018 14: 27
        Dear, you have a somewhat misconception about modern freelance. Probably, in this area you can include those whom you cite as an example, but only in terms of the fact that these people work at their own peril and risk. But I will not argue with you, because in this case there is no subject for dispute, and I completely agree with you that the issues of “trust” in the state are fundamental here, and after its last “decisions” it, this trust, will finally disappear. I really don't want to be in a vacuum again like the end of 1980 - the beginning of 1990's.
  28. +2
    15 June 2018 17: 09
    In our country there is one pattern. As soon as pensioners increase their pension by 100 rubles, prices for everything begin to rise in an “inexplicable” way. A sort of economic impetus to the development of the entire "economy". So we are waiting for the next "economic boom" in the country, only whether pensioners will benefit from such promised Medvedev 1000 rubles a year is a very big question, but what will be the next price increase, this is 100% - the law of the Russian "market". For the rest of the able-bodied population of the country, Golikova said, I rephrase: "There are no statistics on the suitability of the population for work." Yes, and where did she come from, but the retirement age will still increase. fellow
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  30. RL
    +8
    15 June 2018 18: 03
    Voted?
    Cast your vote?
    FOR PUTIN?
    WELL, SHUT UP!
    1. +1
      16 June 2018 00: 04
      Quote: RL
      FOR PUTIN?

      For Gustav Gusak !!! fellow laughing
  31. +8
    15 June 2018 20: 56
    Economic provocation at the opening of the World Cup

    The author, don’t be shy already, what economic provocation, in fact, what are you talking about ?! Why are you so careful then !? So choose your words carefully. Have courage in the end! Let's call a spade a spade! This is just the beginning of open genocide against the most disadvantaged part of our society - the elderly!
    The so-called Putin has finally wiped his feet on the constitution with its ridiculous assertion that Russia is a social state. And the reason for this is understandable. In the budget of the Russian Federation for 2018 spending on social policy reaches almost a third, this is as much as it goes on defense and maintenance of the so-called law enforcement combined. And this situation is completely intolerable for Kremlin thieves. Therefore, it goes under the next cut pension for our old people.
    Well, why did the Kremlin junta make up the beginning of the pension reform for the World Cup? So this is simply due to the fact that, under the pretext of combating terrorism, any rallies, demonstrations and other public events are tightly banned during the championship. Better not to find time!
  32. +6
    15 June 2018 21: 34
    In recent years, closed enterprises:
    Moskvich Plant (AZLK) (genus 1930 - killed by 2002)
    Factory "Red Proletariat" (genus 1857 - killed 2010)
    Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (genus 1928 - killed by 2009)
    Pavlovsk Tool Plant (genus 1820 - killed by 2011)
    Lipetsk Tractor Plant (genus 1943 - killed by 2009)
    Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (genus 1942 - killed by 2010)
    Shipyard Avangard (Petrozavodsk) (genus 1939 - killed by 2010)
    Shipyard OJSC "HC Dalzavod" (Vladivostok) (genus 1895 - killed 2009)
    Saratov Aviation Plant (genus 1931– killed by 2010) - I wrote about the closure of this plant, the plant produced Yak planes
    Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (genus 1896 - killed by 2009)
    Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (genus 1947 - killed 2009)
    Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (genus 1938 - killed by 2009)
    The second Moscow watch factory “Glory” (genus 1924 - killed by 2006)
    Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (genus 1941– killed by 2010)
    Moscow Machine-Tool Plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze (genus 1932 - killed by 2007)
    Stankomash Plant (Chelyabinsk) (genus 1935 - killed by 2009)
    Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (genus 1949 - killed by 2008)
    Kronstadt Marine Plant (genus 1858 - killed by 2005)
    Kuzbasselement Plant (genus 1942 - killed by 2008)
    Irkutsk Radio Plant (genus 1945 - killed by 2007)
    Precision casting plant “Centrolit” (Lipetsk) (genus 1963 - killed by 2009)
    Khor Biochem plant (Khabarovsk Territory) (genus 1982 - killed by 1997)
    Tomsk Instrument Plant (genus 1961 - killed by 2007)
    Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1970 - killed by 2004)
    Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (genus 1952 - killed by 2003)
    Dynamo Plant (Moscow) (genus 1897 - killed by 2009)
    Oryol plant managing computers named. K.N. Rudneva (genus 1968 - killed 2006)
    Orenburg Hardware Plant (genus 1943 - killed by 2009)
    Khabarovsk plant "EVGO" (genus 2000 - killed 2009)
    Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (genus 1959 - killed by 2003)
    Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1952 - killed by 2008)
    Orenburg silk fabric factory “Orenburg Textile” (genus 1972 - killed by 2004)
    Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (Ulyanovsk Region) (genus 1825 - killed by 2005)
    Flax Association them. I.D. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (genus 1939 - killed by 2011)
    Far Eastern Radio Plant (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) (genus 1993 - killed by 2009)
    Bicycle plant (Yoshkar-Ola) (genus 1950 - killed 2006)
    Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (genus 1940 - killed 2007)
    Perm Bicycle Plant (genus 1939 - killed by 2006)
    Proletarian Plant (St. Petersburg) (genus 1826 - present in a coma after being wounded)
    Baltic Plant (genus 1856 - killed by 2011)
    Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1941 - killed by 2011)
    Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (genus 1931 - killed by 2010)
    Irkutsk driveshaft plant (genus 1974 - killed by 2004)
    Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (genus 1807 - killed by 2012)
    http://www.rospisatel.ru/predprijatija.htm
    1. +1
      15 June 2018 21: 57
      You, a citizen from the promised land, would not add fuel to the fire.
      We ourselves know where we have what (s)
      1. +5
        15 June 2018 22: 35
        I am a citizen of Russia and worry about the country where I was born - more than ,, some ,,
        1. +2
          15 June 2018 22: 46
          I apologize.
          Just baffled the flag.
          Too many, with rare exceptions, under the flag of Israel, they want to pick us up.
          Yes, I know everything perfectly, but it was the flag and a somewhat accusatory tone that motivated me to give a sharp answer.
          Again. I'm sorry.
  33. +3
    16 June 2018 00: 58
    Press conference of G.A. Zyuganov on pension reform (Moscow, 15.06.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    https://kprf.ru/party-live/cknews/176606.html
    IN AND. Kashin: “We are going to the All-Russian rally on July 28 to protect the rights of citizens”
    ... there is no reason to raise the retirement age. They talk about demographics. But in 1970, there were 900 unemployed for one thousand working citizens. In the 90th year - 750 people. In 2016, the year is 715. ”
    “Yesterday at the All-Russian protest action headquarters, which includes more than forty different political and public organizations, we decided to hold an All-Russian protest rally,” said V.I. Kashin. - Date of the action - July 28because, in connection with the World Cup, the authorities until July 25 introduced a moratorium on holding such events in the country. ”

  34. +5
    16 June 2018 03: 57
    When we lost the Cold War, the West landed its government in the Kremlin. Why should they develop the country? The West needs resources from us and, in general, that’s all) The rest is superfluous, well, maybe the military is still plus or minus. For these purposes, 30 million is enough as they said. Everything goes according to plan. But there are plenty of sausages and jeans, there are even McDonald's!
  35. +3
    16 June 2018 10: 29

    People, you add to this the joy of retirement points, if you do not have enough, then you will retire another 5 years later. Men 70 years old, women in 68 liters. For many citizens, this means never. And how, for example, a woman will pick them up if she brings up children. For each child only 1, 6 points. That's what the calls for raising demographics are. If a person does not have enough points (there is little official experience), it’s easier for him not to pay taxes at all, they will give everything early at 70, will he survive?
    1. +1
      16 June 2018 10: 50
      I already wrote about this. In fact, retirement was actually removed from the social system, because it is simply impossible to score points if you work in commercial structures. Many firms now, in order not to pay in the PF and "optimize taxes", have taken for practice, just to re-register and dismiss each year, and then take staff back or take staff to "outsourcing" —that is, people don’t get points like these Compasses are not deducted to the PF and work in them in the "experience" is not counted. In addition, a lot of companies, "owners" especially in the outback, in agriculture, etc. generally do not formalize the staff when hiring, people work depending on the "honest word" of the owner and there is simply nowhere else to go! That is, the pension system for the majority of the really working population is being liquidated! But there is one BUT ... there is such a principle of “divide and conquer" that came back from the time of ancient Rome and is “working” until now ... what the state is doing now, in order to reduce the passions and remove a part of the population from the “protest side” they cunningly linked the “supplements” to the pensions of already retired people with the adoption of raising the retirement age — so as not to “arise” and not sympathize, then they transferred state officials to an increased retirement age .... and here's the confusion with law enforcement officials and the military, leave them a pony ennye time-to-retire or not? If they leave, then the "genocide" of one part of the population by the controlling minority with the help of the "lured" power sector is clearly traced here ...
      1. 0
        16 June 2018 14: 45
        the pension system is actually built under one beneficiary, the pension fund, security officials at one time, they didn’t give this monster away, they have all the state money there, they don’t pump anything into commercial affairs, and the security officials themselves are now serving on a contract, fulfilled contractual obligations, must receive guaranteed cash agreed in the contract
        1. -1
          16 June 2018 14: 47
          But what about the pension from the security forces, if "under the contract"? I have a "dog breeder" in my house - he recently retired at the age of 45, now he is healthy and cheerful, and chuckles at those who now stand at the machine until they are 65 ...
          1. 0
            17 June 2018 00: 13
            if you’re from the Russian Federation, for starters, at least get acquainted with the legislation of your country, and why didn’t you go to the "dog breeders" yourself, would go, smile, would not drip saliva
  36. +1
    16 June 2018 14: 31
    I am waiting for an article from the “analyst” Kamenev, where he will analyze in detail his “analytic” trawl lag behind at least the past three years. If he is a decent person, he will write such an article.
  37. 0
    16 June 2018 16: 08
    When I read about 38 years old, I was very surprised. Apparently, the specialist is worthless. I am 66 years old. My wife is the same. She is a working pensioner. An engineer is a high-class designer who has his own "name" in project circles.
    For several years, I invited her to write a resume and post it on the job search site. Invited with the condition - adjustment and editing of project sheets. I came to get acquainted with the company. The next day, a flurry of calls from foremen (the company is engaged in electrical work). There were questions. The wife was accepted without a trial period. A week later, a loafer flew from the company with a whistle, and a month later a 40-year-old lady left the company, and there were very unfavorable reviews about it in the examination. Send projects. "I am very pleased that you work in my company" - the words of the general director of the company.
    Regarding health. A wife is simply healthy by nature. I have been doing yoga for 30 years and have developed my system of classes. We do not visit doctors. The exception is dentists.
    Regarding retirement age. I think that you can’t touch it. The author is largely right. Although the retirement age is not at all necessary to plow up to 65, you can stop at 60. Just retirement accrued upon reaching 65. I stopped work at 58. I did not die
  38. 0
    16 June 2018 19: 45
    The first is where such a pension is already 17955 wooden per month. Such a pension is for units that I know. Second, we’ll sit at the monitor and scold Putin, Medvedev and other “servants” of the people !? In order for the government to listen to us, we need to take to the streets and defend our rights. But unfortunately there is no opposition leader (the real one, rooting for the future of his country, and not the type of bulk, "rooting" for his pocket and longing for power). We were indignant at forums, at work, in smoking rooms, and went on to work. Need a protest. Popular protest. If people wouldn’t take to the streets, they wanted to spit on us from a high bell tower. The buns tossed in the form of increasing the minimum wage and pension. And then such a slap in the face. And about 76%. Putin does not have such support. Firstly, 40-45% of the population goes to the polls. Secondly, he drew these percentages. real support for Putin 50 percent of those who came. But this is not because Putin is so good, but because there was no one to choose from. Elections are farce, shows for the people, the appearance of democracy. PS. In Honduras, life expectancy is greater than in Russia. No comments)))
  39. 0
    17 June 2018 05: 16
    Talk about black and white salary - TABU ??? Or ministers and governors do not want to lose a feeding trough ???
  40. 0
    17 June 2018 06: 53
    -And why the "prosperous" China is not indicated ..? - How are things with pensioners in general ...
    -And the life expectancy there ... -It's probably like in Japan ...
  41. 0
    18 June 2018 14: 28
    That the first, that the second graphics are fake, or rather outdated by a lot. There were $ 40 in Georgia during the Shevardnadze period. From here I just didn’t read the article - bullshit.
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 15: 47
      And they will be false, now the "statistics" are subordinate to the government. Twist as they want (in every sense).
    2. 0
      23 June 2018 21: 24
      don’t read, the old-age pension is 70, the average 40 is for 2017, this year they promise to increase by the fall, the same Internet, I myself have not seen
  42. 0
    19 June 2018 11: 30
    On the same day, in addition to the pension reform, a 20% VAT rate appeared - does this bother anyone?
    and one more thing: 13% for transferring funds from one card to another (don’t you teach children?), and, in general, to help relatives taking into account 13%? AND?
  43. +1
    19 June 2018 11: 34
    and regarding the provision of work for the "age contingent" - outside the "capitals" for youth there is no work. Rather, there is, but how to raise children with that kind of money, pay a mortgage? about rest in Turkey, I am silent.
    Average pension: in the region of 9 rubles, in the region of 10-10,5, in the “capitals” of 15-17 and higher, is it for the same job and the same length of service, is that how?
  44. +2
    19 June 2018 14: 09
    The government is anti-people and not national, but purely technical. To service the transfer of funds and resources, to ensure the vital activity of 10%, professionals are not needed, just like the educated population. The authorities are the same people who betrayed and killed the power and their people whom they swore, those who created and provided the conditions for the robbery of the country unprecedented in the history of mankind, so why would they suddenly take care of the needs of people and the state?
  45. +1
    21 June 2018 11: 59
    Quote: Pollux
    Quote: Heterocapsa
    the judge does not see a three-meter offside from our player .... circus

    The player in the first place did not take the ball, in the second he ran the other way, in the third - a three-centimeter offside.


    A serious problem is discussed here. The problem of life and survival of US ourselves in this world. Nevertheless, there are ....... (insert yourself to taste), who write here about some idiotic goals and offsides! Amazing! Then normal people go and wonder, and who brought to power those who are now leading the country to disaster. As there the Strugatskys had: "Take care of your stomach, guys, this is probably the most expensive thing you have." I would also add about a soccer ball: football is the most important thing in life. fool