Defense Ministry finishes test "Basurmanin"

The Russian Ministry of Defense is completing the test cycle of the upgraded infantry fighting vehicle BMP-1, passing at the test site of the 38-th Research Institute of Armored Vehicles (Kubinka, Moscow Region). The project developer is Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation JSC.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the project received the cipher "Basurmanin", deliveries to the troops of the upgraded BMP are scheduled for 2019 year.

During the modernization of the BMP, the standard body, power plant and chassis that have a life cycle in 30 – 40 years will not undergo changes. Instead of a tower with an 73-2 Thunder 28-mm anti-tank gun, a 7,62-mm machine gun and the Malyutka ATGM, the machine will receive a combat module from the BTR-82A. The module is equipped with a two-plane stabilizer, which allows the gunner to fire while the vehicle is moving, and electric drives. Installed a combined round-the-clock stabilized sight TKN-4GA, which makes it possible to use weapon combat module both day and night. The sight is equipped with a channel for remote detonation of ammunition. The main armament is an automatic X-NUMX-2 automatic X-gun caliber 72 mm. Auxiliary - PKTM machine gun caliber 30 mm.

The BMP-1 was put into service in the 1966 year. This is the first in the USSR combat armored amphibious tracked vehicle, released in the series. At the moment, the troops and the Rosguards are in operation around 1 thousand. BMP-1, another 7 thousand are in storage at the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Safevi]

Well, the name!

[ALEXXX1983]

Yeah. It would be more suitable for imported equipment.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: ALEXXX1983

Yeah. It would be more suitable for imported equipment.

This project was created to modernize the exported BMP-1, and most likely they made the name out of it, and for our army they are now rolling the version with the AU-220M, there is a 57 mm gun there. The author does not seem to be trying to analyze the sources.

[serezhasoldatow]

“Berezhok” is exported

[eburg1234]

"Berezhok" on the BMP-1 is not suitable, it is for the BMP-2.
But there is a Coast close to the capabilities for the BMD-1/2, it is also suitable for the BMP-1.

[badens1111]

Quote: eburg1234

for BMP-1 suitable

It would be wiser for the MCP staff to include 4 platoons, arming them with the same BMP with the Baikal module. The MCP’s firepower will obviously increase ..

[eburg1234]

I very much doubt that Baikal will be installed on the BMP-1: this module is much heavier, the machine will lose buoyancy (and this requirement has not been removed).
In addition, the shoulder strap is different (on a BMP-1 it is smaller in diameter), this is also a case to saw, the commander’s hatch is also likely.
Not an option at all.

[badens1111]

Quote: eburg1234

Not an option at all.

Maybe ... but it would be worth thinking about something like that. In addition, you still need a bunch of cars on a similar base in order to ensure the actions of combat units.

[Ber]

and for our army now they are rolling a version with AU-220M, there is a 57 mm gun there. The author does not seem to be trying to analyze the sources.

No, they don’t ride, if the era is about the module, then this is just the export option for a very distant future.

And this model was created for the complete unification of weapons with BTR-82 in the Russian army, for they will be taught on the same simulators, plus the price of the issue is minimal.

And they are doing it absolutely right, since more than 50% of NATO infantry fighting vehicles switch to a 40 mm telescopic gun, which penetrates 1000 mm of homogeneous armor from 160 meters, which means any tank, both Russian and NATO, will be pulled into the side.

Either BMP-1 Basurman and BMP-2 Berezhek, or heavy TBMP weighing more than 45 tons, even medium-sized BMPs like the German Puma are no longer rolling, because most of the guns will be armed with a significant number of wheeled armored personnel carriers.

[Arikkhab]

"Telescopic gun" is how? Maybe telescopic shells?
http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/5580-razrabotka-40-m
m-teleskopicheskih-boepripasov /

[ANCIENT]

It’s not only a matter of name - they could have held a competition among companies five years ago, selected an option, and carried out modernization even earlier! Here the main negative is a very weak reservation, and to be honest, its complete absence! And a new option in this regard does not change anything!

[bazzbazz]

Feels like a 30mm gun is already weak. Need 40-50mm

[Genry]

Quote: bazzbazz

Feels like a 30mm gun is already weak. Need 40-50mm

For single and fast moving targets - normal. And we have not been attacking for a long time.
Although a 40mm automatic grenade launcher would also not hurt ... (if it were my will to install all armored vehicles).

[senima56]

40 mm grenade launcher? If you mean "Cormorant", so it has not yet been adopted! And then, look, in the troops the soldiers drag the AGS-17, although the lightened AGS-30 was adopted a long time ago! So while it comes to the 40th ....
Obviously, you need to (as always) "roasted cockerel pecked" !?

[Genry]

Quote: senima56

40 mm grenade launcher? If you mean "Cormorant", so it has not yet been adopted!

The Balkans are for the infantry.
Kalashnikov promises to make a tank, but under the same grenades.

Quote: senima56

Look, in the troops the soldiers are carrying the AGS-17, although the lightened AGS-30 was adopted a long time ago!

Until the old term comes out - they will not change. Do not waste good.

[yehat]

in my opinion, for armored vehicles already about 15 years ago, as it was necessary to develop and implement the AGS,
and not just welded on top, but with normal remote control and aiming systems.

[sabakina]

Quote: Genry

For single and fast moving targets - normal. And we have not been attacking for a long time.

I’m really interested to see how this went on the attack in formation?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sabakina

I’m really interested to see how this went on the attack in formation?

Like this?

[Ros 56]

I’m really interested to see how this went on the attack in formation?

Go to YouTube, find the movie "Chapaev" and watch the episode with the attacking Kappel people, they are beautifully coming in handy. Although the whites, and the officers are Russian, a complete neglect of death. I guess what’s going on in the shower, but they don’t serve the mind. Only those strong in spirit can do so. Yes, and in our time, Russian officers hold the mark, there are many examples of this.

[poquello]

Quote: Ros 56

I’m really interested to see how this went on the attack in formation?

Go to YouTube, find the movie "Chapaev" and watch the episode with the attacking Kappel people, they are beautifully coming in handy. Although the whites, and the officers are Russian, a complete neglect of death. I guess what’s going on in the shower, but they don’t serve the mind. Only those strong in spirit can do so. Yes, and in our time, Russian officers hold the mark, there are many examples of this.

yes there weren’t any rounds of ammunition, but Chapai is certainly a hero

[TermNachTer]

Actually, General Kappel’s corps, mainly from working arms factories, and officers were there only for command posts. So there were no officer regiments and mental attacks. Training an officer takes time and money

[Peter Ivanov]

It's hard for you to understand, probably. But for enlightenment, read the Charter of the combat drill of the USSR or RF (if they have one)! It clearly and unequivocally describes what formations exist ... And in BUSV, part 3 (platoon, squad, tank), these orders are fixed for conducting offensive, defensive battles and during the march. And this is not hee-hee, this is war, but all the charters are written with blood, so that in the future it will be less!
I have the honor! For Our Soviet Motherland!

[senima56]

Really! There is, already shown more than once at exhibitions, the 57-mm Baikal module - why is it not used for re-equipment of old equipment? And then, as I observe, in 90% of cases, the PKT machine gun is NOT installed on the module from the BTR-82A in a regular place! What's the matter? Difficulties with installation or maintenance? Then this problem had to be solved for a long time!

[Kurare]

Quote: senima56

Really! There is, already shown more than once at exhibitions, the 57-mm Baikal module - why is it not used for re-equipment of old equipment?

And the base of the BMP-1 will withstand, the armor will not crack? The only thing missing is the ATGM ...
In my opinion, it will turn out to be a good and most importantly relatively cheap police APC on a caterpillar track. All the same, the protection of the BMP-1 for a long time does not meet the requirements for BMP. Well, as an option, modernization and push the surplus of the Ministry of Defense abroad for poor countries.

[senima56]

If, as you say: "... the protection of the BMP-1 has not been consistent with the requirements for BMP for a long time ..." - then why bother with a "garden"? Is it worth it to mess with these BMP-1s, rearm, upgrade? Then, proceeding from your logic, write off all this “junk” in one fell swoop and all business!

[Kurare]

Quote: senima56

Then, proceeding from your logic, write off all this “junk” in one fell swoop and all business!

Not all BMPs have developed their resources, many are even very far from this. Those that really are not subject to modernization - for re-melting. And for the rest you can still “make money” for your needs, but as an armored personnel carrier, not a BMP. The difference, you see, is big! Perhaps that’s why the ATGMs were not delivered.

[avt]

Quote: Kurare

And for the rest you can still “make money” for your needs, but as an armored personnel carrier, not a BMP.

Exactly what t like an armored personnel carrier, not even Mrap.

[TermNachTer]

Unless only for export. The army has enough BMP - 2, - 3.

[Alex777]

Because Basurman and called that for foreign sales it is likely. Money is needed, but in stock 7000 ...

[alexmach]

Then, proceeding from your logic, write off all this “junk” in one fell swoop and all business!

And replace it all with what? And most importantly, in what quantity? It is necessary to upgrade equipment, this is an excellent option for modernization.

[poquello]

Quote: Kurare

Quote: senima56

Really! There is, already shown more than once at exhibitions, the 57-mm Baikal module - why is it not used for re-equipment of old equipment?

And the base of the BMP-1 will withstand, the armor will not crack? The only thing missing is the ATGM ...
In my opinion, it will turn out to be a good and most importantly relatively cheap police APC on a caterpillar track. All the same, the protection of the BMP-1 for a long time does not meet the requirements for BMP. Well, as an option, modernization and push the surplus of the Ministry of Defense abroad for poor countries.

as an option Fedya should be planted there

[Kurare]

Quote: poquello

as an option Fedya should be planted there

Let Fedya dissect him on an ATV, but Fedya’s brains are an option.

[EnGenius]

For a motorized rifle platoon - that’s it! The 57 mm module has much wider application, but ammunition is lower, and at the MCB level this is important, plus the module is clearly significantly more expensive, even at the price of 57 mm ammunition.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bazzbazz

Feels like a 30mm gun is already weak. Need 40-50mm

With 57mm module 2 questions:
- Will the tower shoulder strap and the hull generally withstand recoil during automatic shooting?
- Rocking when shooting.

[yehat]

and it already depends on the designers - who is stopping the normal recoil equipment from being delivered?

[Tester]

Pay attention to remote detonation. This option significantly increases the effectiveness of fragmentation. And increasing the caliber reduces the ammunition inversely with the diameter of the projectile in the cube.

[123456789]

Quote: bazzbazz

Feels like a 30mm gun is already weak. Need 40-50mm

There was a ZIS-2, piercing 100-110mm

[ALEXXX1983]

And more tanks in the door of the troop compartment. If anything, the infantry will, like tigers in a circus, jump through a ring of fire.

[Kurare]

Quote: ALEXXX1983

And more tanks in the door of the troop compartment. If anything, the infantry will, like tigers in a circus, jump through a ring of fire.

About these tales with fire and explosive doors - better forget it. The fuel in them is burned first. So on the battlefield BMP comes with dry door tanks.

[viktor_ui]

and couples in empty tanks where did they go ... after the devastation in the first place ???

[Kurare]

Quote: viktor_ui

and couples in empty tanks where did they go ...

Fumes of gasoline - yes, the thing is very dangerous. With a diesel engine everything is different, there will definitely not be an explosion and will not even catch fire.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Kurare

Fumes of gasoline - yes, the thing is very dangerous. With a diesel engine everything is different, there will definitely not be an explosion and will not even catch fire.

another storyteller. the solarium burns, and even very well, especially the fumes. Do you even need to start to ask what fuel is used in domestic steam boilers in diesel fuel ...

[Kurare]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

another storyteller. the solarium burns, and even very well, especially the fumes. Do you even need to start to ask what fuel is used in domestic steam boilers in diesel fuel ...

The solarium is on, i.e. diesel fuel, but the vapors are practically non-flammable. In addition, there is absolutely nothing to produce diesel fuel itself in comparison with gasoline.
In household steam boilers on diesel fuel used ... I can’t even imagine what - SOLAR, but not her pairs!
Thanks, they made you laugh ...

[Ros 56]

Thanks, they made you laugh ...

In vain, you laugh, in fact it is the vapors that explode, a mixture of fuel and air. At least gasoline, at least kerosene. There is no doubt that gasoline fuels faster. Remember the joke about seeing the amount of gas in the tank. But at high temperatures, especially in the tracer or incendiary and diesel fuel mixture withers so that little seems.

[Shahno]

After that, I only have memories ... Zeldovich, is that you? Boris Y.

[serezhasoldatow]

They cook on armor with full tanks and nothing, everything is fine, they do not explode.

[Kurare]

Quote: Ros 56

In vain, you laugh, in fact it is the vapors that explode, a mixture of fuel and air. At least gasoline, at least kerosene.

You just rightly wrote: at least gasoline, at least kerosene. But diesel fuel just doesn’t soar. Take a tin can for experiment, pour some diesel fuel on it, let it form at least some fumes and throw a burning match there ... Either the match goes out in the diesel fuel itself, or it ignites, but not with a “gray flame”. And, no broads, unlike gasoline or kerosene.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Kurare

Take a tin can for experiment, pour some diesel fuel on it, let it form at least some fumes and throw a burning match there ... Either the match goes out in the diesel fuel itself, or it ignites, but not with a “gray flame”. And, no broads, unlike gasoline or kerosene.

1. First you claimed that

and won't even light up

now recognized that it’s on ....
2. In boilers in a glass into which diesel fuel enters, put a small metal mesh or large shavings. After 5 minutes, the solarium lights up completely. Chips are needed to increase the area of ​​contact with air. In the gas tank, this area is much larger. So for an hour, and if the tank is still not stationary, there will be collected enough vapor for the explosion.

Quote: Kurare

Take a can for experiment

Are you sincerely sure that most of the vapors from this jar will not go outside? If yes, then this ...

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ros 56

In vain, you laugh, in fact it is the vapors that explode, a mixture of fuel and air.

The diesel fuel does not evaporate, this is, firstly, and secondly, the diesel fuel is not easy to set on fire, by the time the remaining diesel fuel in the tank is lit up, the BMP will already burn to the ground.

[Bobik012]

I suppose if they were done that way, then they don’t burn. And I’ve never heard of a problem with the ignition of tank doors. And in the boilers on the solarium, there are nozzles to break the jet into drops, it does not give vapor, and the carburetor motor (even the injector) does not work on the solarium. What language to grind about

[viktor_ui]

No comments

[TermNachTer]

Burning - burning. Just what temperature do you want it to catch fire?

[-Pollux]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

another storyteller. burning solarium

Yes, diesel fuel burns, but it is set on fire very hard.

[Dreamboat]

Quote: ANCIENT

Here the main negative is a very weak reservation, and to be honest, its complete absence! And a new option in this regard does not change anything!

Reservations are really so-so, but there is nothing to compare. If with modern infantry fighting vehicles, then of course it is not enough, if you consider "this" as a caterpillar variant of an armored personnel carrier, then booking here is more serious than on an 80k or Tiger.
The option is cheap to get a lot of equipment, but not for the cutting edge, of course.

[yehat]

but as is customary with us, in the end it is they who will be at the forefront.

[TermNachTer]

It is the Russian army that can "twist its nose" - the armor is weak, the armament is insufficient. And for some, this is happiness.

[tol100v]

Quote: ANCIENT

It's not just the name

The only thing is the chain "quantity-price-quality"! It is impossible to build such a quantity of new equipment at the same time, but to perfect it completely!

[cost]

ANCIENT (Sergey Vitalievich:
It's not just the name ... The main negative here is the very weak booking, and to be honest, its complete absence! And a new option in this regard does not change anything!

The clue is Suvorov’s catch phrase

"What are they, Basurman, to regret ...!" (A.V. Suvorov)

[Volos]

An outboard booking kit for BMP-1/2 has long been developed, but the MO plans to upgrade only one company from 16 BMPs for the Central Military District, the life of a simple infantryman for generals still costs nothing like the old days ...

[Vard]

The normal name ... I rode on it ... at one time ... I’m glad that there are 7 in stock ... if you don’t have to go on foot ...

[ser56]

most likely they will fight in Syria, Iraq, etc ....

[Bar1]

madhouse, Medvedev's budget option, no money, but you hold on. If the Americans are buying the most expensive, then ours are the cheapest.

[Kurare]

Quote: Bar1

If the Americans buy the most expensive, then ours are the cheapest.

Has the Russian (and any other in the world) defense budget been compared with the state budget for a long time?
And "from the old - the new" is nothing terrible and shameful. There, the same States, how many years they modernized their M113 and shoved it all over the world. And almost 7.000 cars in storage - this is not even bad for myself and for foreign friends.

[Bar1]

Quote: Kurare

The Russian (and any other in the world) defense budget has long been compared with the state budget.

Our land is not the poorest and our people are not the most stupid, and the army should accordingly correspond to the status of a great state, and these cheap things just humiliate our state and whoever thinks this is not about protecting the state, but their pocket, but this is a crime. And the most opposite, that there is a developed new technique and putting 50 years old instead of a new technique is definitely stupid or worse.

[cariperpaint]

And here you propose to melt what storage technology? Let's think and not just write. This car is essentially new. It’s just not suitable for all tasks today. New technology for everyone still needs to be pushed to the stream. Its deliveries now can only occur pointwise. 1,2 sets per year. Throughout the entire army, only journalists will have time to notice. And we can start fighting already tomorrow. Offer to ask the enemy to wait a few years until we bring in a new one? Everything should be consistent. Moreover, I’m not going to buy this sample yet.

[Bar1]

Quote: cariperpaint

And here you propose to melt what storage technology?

not one car for 50-60 years does not live, because it is becoming obsolete morally? It is not clear what it is? It’s necessary to re-melt it and for a long time, but to do yourself T14, T15, Kurgan, etc. You still animate T34, because the best tank.

Quote: cariperpaint

This car is essentially new and is

but you don’t have to lie, what kind of "new" one is she? These 50 year old cars have decayed for a long time.

Quote: cariperpaint

New technology for everyone still needs to be pushed to the stream

since 14 years already brag about t14-15.

Quote: cariperpaint

Its deliveries now can only occur pointwise. 1,2 sets per year

also a lie Uralvagonzavod can do HUNDREDS OF TANKS A YEAR.
Kurganzavod is the same thing if it were left alone.

Quote: cariperpaint

And we can start fighting already tomorrow

karamultuk take and fight against the machine gun.

Quote: cariperpaint

Offer to ask the enemy to wait a few years until we bring in a new one?

it’s necessary to do faster, and not to crush for decades.

Quote: cariperpaint

Moreover, I’m not going to buy this sample yet.

Arctic fox, but what is it going to have for free?

[yehat]

Uralvagonzavod can make HUNDREDS OF TANKS A YEAR.

Well, yes, tanks without normal sighting and sighting equipment, with a bunch of cheap substitutes instead of the necessary elements, without a normal ammunition load of shells, without DZ and a whole bunch of "WITHOUT". And with such volumes, I suspect there won't even be normal armor.
no, thanks.

[Bar1]

Quote: yehat

Uralvagonzavod can make HUNDREDS OF TANKS A YEAR.

Well, yes, tanks without normal sighting and sighting equipment, with a bunch of cheap substitutes instead of the necessary elements, without a normal ammunition load of shells, without DZ and a whole bunch of "WITHOUT". And with such volumes, I suspect there won't even be normal armor.
no, thanks.

and what sights are harder to do than a tank? What nonsense?

[yehat]

Don't you really understand that our economy is stupidly small for mass production? You can make something, but if it is a tank, then without a normal configuration. And it's not about the money, but about the diversification of production. Read how the Russian Empire screwed up with the construction of the battleships of the Izmail series. They had the necessary finances for several years, they had technologies, but they could not build a single battleship.

[Bar1]

Quote: yehat

Don't you really understand that our economy is stupidly small for mass production?

you do not throw in general words, but specifically, what is "our economy is weak"?

[yehat]

industrial base volumes
production financing volumes
lack of specialists with sufficient qualifications
underfunding of development, underfunding of infrastructure
unavailability of the country's logistics for moving and maintaining large tank formations

finally, everything doesn’t rest on tanks - there is a much greater problem in coordination, reconnaissance, patrolling and target designation.

When I studied at a university, I was in some way close to developing new equipment. Our "modern" tanks are terribly archaic. 90% of promising projects of the 80s did not even begin to test for suitability for use.
I do not want to go into details, but by the 2000s the USSR had the opportunity to build such an ashtray that could withstand the battle alone with today's regiment of Abrams and AT equipment like spikes or javelins would be ineffective.
but we make tanks only a little better than we could in the 60s.

[Bobik012]

have a bite!

[yehat]

you see, what’s the matter, infantry fighting vehicles are essentially only suitable for transportation in the rear or for war with their own population.
but they will be used as armor. No matter what the intentions were, it is important how it always happens.

[Genry]

Quote: Bar1

Our land is not the poorest and our people are not the most stupid, and the army should accordingly correspond to the status of a great state, and these cheap things just humiliate our state and whoever thinks not of protecting the state, but their pocket, but this is a crime.

Only here are the problems .... There is no own economy. Central Bank money is candy wrappers at the value of the volume of dollar reserves, not the domestic product. Enterprises more than 90% in offshore and state taxes from them are scanty. The produced product of these enterprises immediately has a price in the currency of the offshore (oil for example). And if the world price changes, it immediately changes in the domestic market (gasoline ....).
And all swear, but do not want to understand that the whole problem is in the Constitution. What exactly is it that the Central Bank has been declared as the main financial body ... But in fact it is a private commercial shop managed by the IMF and .... And this Central Bank simply robs the country and using its leverage worsens or destroys the conditions for the development of the Russian economy .. .
And there you are about the little things, like:

Quote: Bar1

And the most nasty thing is that there is a break ....

[Bar1]

Quote: Genry

There are only problems .... There is no own economy.

and who did you vote for? Who is the main reason for everything?

[Genry]

Quote: Bar1

and who did you vote for? Who is the main reason for everything?

I would vote for Putin ... but I am a Kievite.
The main reason is the population who just wants a house with a lawn and a car in the garage (this is minimal). The sovereignty of a country is a concept very far from most people.
Now it’s important to come to an understanding of the constitutional change, replace the Central Bank with the State Bank, force offshore companies to return to the country (or nationalize), enable enterprises and entrepreneurs to lend at reasonable (about 2-4%) interest and do not pursue cheap loans abroad ( give to offshore companies), and bring income to their country and people and not to the foreign uncle.
For this, the people must support a referendum on changing the Constitution, which has not yet been launched because of poor support. The topic is blocked in the media and only Solovyov sometimes manages to insert a few phrases.

[yehat]

there is no greater stupidity to think that Putin has absolute power.
he, like Catherine the Second, is popular among nobles because he never rereads them.

[Bar1]

Quote: yehat

there is no greater stupidity to think that Putin has absolute power.
he, like Catherine the Second, is popular among nobles because he never rereads them.

Here's another wise guy. What nobles? All this oligarchic shobla received money and funds from the authorities i.e. from Putin, with him the number of billionaires has grown many times, he wanted to give, he wanted to take away. In the time of E2, the yard had privileges for hundreds of years.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Genry

The produced product of these enterprises immediately has a price in the currency of the offshore (oil for example). And if the world price changes, it immediately changes in the domestic market (gasoline ....)

You updated the training manual, no way?
With pleasure I got acquainted, write echo
As you write a little more nonsense - expect objections. Motivated

[Genry]

Quote: Golovan Jack

You updated the training manual, no way?
I enjoyed reading it, write yes
As you write a little more nonsense - expect objections. Motivated yes

I already read your stupidity. Maybe smart write. Justify that I'm wrong.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Genry

Maybe smart write. Justify I'm wrong

Willingly, just check first:

Quote: Genry

Central Bank replaced by the State Bank

What for? To whom do you think this State Bank should obey? How should its functions differ from the functions of the current Central Bank? In short - what do you propose to change?

Quote: Genry

force offshore companies to return to the country (or nationalize)

Work in economics by non-economic methods? Passed by. Everyone who can, will immediately go "into the shadows", as it already was.

Quote: Genry

enable enterprises and entrepreneurs to lend at reasonable (about 2-4%) interest

Where are the guarantees that your cheap loans will not go to speculation? At least that's so primitive: took a loan at 2%, threw it on a deposit at 10%, do you live on margin? Well, or bought bucks, for example?
About

Quote: Genry

constitutional referendum

I’m silent, they have already lifted this topic. What are you going to change there ?!

Quote: Genry

and only Solovyov sometimes manages to insert a few phrases

Solovyov is a professional yap, no analyst and a very mediocre host of his “paralyzed parades."
Mentioning him in quality, um, a source for reflection is the Trade Mark, which shows that you either really are on a training manual, or still believe in fairy tales.
Both that, and another are sad. IMHO

[yehat]

Well, I will not support your assessment of Solovyov.
he is not the best analyst, but he’s better than so many who consider themselves so.
yap professional - yes, but it’s that professional.
He could have come in very well, like a frontman or the mouthpiece of an idea.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: yehat

He could have come in very well, like a frontman or the mouthpiece of an idea

With his habit of "plugging" the interlocutor - so easily
But as the host of the "televised debates," he is complete bullshit, agree.

Quote: yehat

he is not the best analyst ...

... he, I repeat, is no analyst. He has no task to analyze something, he has the task to express by whatever means what he was programmed for.
This he, in general, turns out, yes.

Quote: yehat

better than so many who consider themselves so.

Well, you never know who considers himself ...
But in general - it’s not about Soboviev at all, a lot of honor to him

[Genry]

Quote: Golovan Jack

To whom do you think this State Bank should obey?

1. Must obey the government (Ministry of Finance).
2. Should not be subordinate to the IMF and foreign financial and manipulative structures.

Quote: Golovan Jack

How should its functions differ from the functions of the current Central Bank?

Must issue a Russian ruble, the value of which is determined by the mass of domestic goods and services. Now its value depends on the number of frozen dollars (candy wrapper replacing the dollar).
The basic discount rate (from which all banks dance when issuing loans) should be no more than 2%. Then entrepreneurs will be able to take loans within the country, there will be no need to go to offshore for cheap ones. The money supply (the blood of the economy) will increase, the dependence on “external investments” will decrease (loans simply go back and forth).

Quote: Golovan Jack

Work in economics by non-economic methods? Passed by. Everyone who can, will immediately go "into the shadows", as it already was.

Those who have gone into the shadows will not be able to sell their products. The balance will not converge. Have you forgotten the "digitalization" (cap over finances)?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Where are the guarantees that your cheap loans will not go to speculation? At least that's so primitive: took a loan at 2%, threw it on a deposit at 10%, do you live on margin? Well, or bought bucks, for example?

All movements in the State Bank are transparent and non-targeted use will be punished.
But where will you find a 10% deposit if the base rate is less than 2%? Which ... (bank) will take money from you, if you can get cheap at the State Bank.
Buying bucks is also a banking operation, and you will immediately get taxed.

Quote: Golovan Jack

I’m silent, they have already lifted this topic. What are you going to change there ?!

I can also begin to be rude ...
The Constitution needs to be changed. First of all, articles on the Central Bank and violating sovereignty.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Solovyov is a professional yap, no analyst and a very mediocre host of his “paralyzed parades."

Well, you already explained your orientation ...

Quote: Golovan Jack

Mentioning him in quality, um, a source for reflection is the Trade Mark, which shows that you either really are on a training manual, or still believe in fairy tales.

The training manual is with you - "To find achievements, not to allow development."
And I did not speak of him as a "source ...". He is simply the only one on central TV so far who is not expelled from the studio at the mention of a change in the Constitution. Talking about it and about GCD is forbidden ... (TV censorship).

Quote: Golovan Jack

Both that, and another are sad. IMHO

But you have something to be sad about, the smiley naively smiles and nods.

[Golovan Jack]

Oooooo, yes there’s a whole program.
Conclusions, briefly:
- you suggest closing all commercial banks:

Quote: Genry

All movements in the State Bank transparent and inappropriate use will be punished

- you propose to cancel the convertibility of the ruble:

Quote: Genry

Must issue a Russian ruble, whose value is determined by the mass of domestic goods and services

- you propose to give the ruble issue to the government (chief administrator, read, budget consumer):

Quote: Genry

Should obey the government (to the Ministry of Finance)

This will lead to something like this:

- You again remember in vain the IMF:

Quote: Genry

Should not be subordinate to the IMF and foreign financial and manipulative structures

The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not obey them. Find me a place in the law on the Central Bank (or in general in any Law of the Russian Federation), which says the opposite.

Quote: Genry

The Constitution needs to be changed. First of all, articles on the Central Bank and violating sovereignty

- in more detail from now on, if possible. I'm getting fun already

[Grits]

And the most disgusting thing is that a new technique has been developed and putting 50 years old instead of a new technique is definitely stupid or worse.
In order to build a new modern technology, you need money. That's when the decent part of the BMP-1 is modernized in this way, and then sold to a bunch of all kinds of warring or banana countries, then money will appear for new equipment. What good is to disappear?

[Volos]

If you upgrade, then in a complex and together with the replacement of the BM, it is NECESSARY TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL RESERVATION KIT, ANTINOMINE PROTECTION AND ANTI-SHARDING UNDERGROUND.
In the total cost of upgrading the BMP-1, this is a "penny" but the protection of soldiers will increase significantly.

[Ros 56]

madhouse, Medvedev's budget option, no money, but you hold on. If the Americans are buying the most expensive, then ours are the cheapest.

And in whose favor is the comparison, what do you think? They have 700 lard greens, let us have 70 lard, and who is afraid of whom? It is not a matter of money, but as Brother said in truth, only it gives fortitude. For money, we never went on the attack.

[serezhasoldatow]

Not cheap, but reliable. And how many years have they been upgrading theirs?

[Awaz]

no matter how we scolded the authorities, but, at least earlier, the Soviet and even sometimes the current Russian, it was possible for very small dibs to solve problems that the United States solved only by crazy cutting crazy money (it's good when you have your own printing press, the products of which are all buy up on Ur)

[siberalt]

Basurmans, as before, were called Russian Turks. That's for sure. And what are the tanks guilty of?

[4thParasinok]

Quote: siberalt

Basurmans, as before, were called Russian Turks. That's for sure. And what are the tanks guilty of?

Only one is an export option.

[Graz]

Quote: sefevi

Well, the name!

it seems that the warriors are not very happy to see this car, so this and the attitude they probably hoped for the arrival of modern developments, and then Basurmanin came to them

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: sefevi

Well, the name!

Not a tolerant name, rather provocative.

[Igor V]

Quote: sefevi

Well, the name!

Still would be called "adversary" ...

[Maz]

Well thought out. Well done.

[RUSS]

Quote: sefevi

Well, the name!

This is the name of the project rather than the BMP itself.

[OrcSWAT]

Normal name. With a story.

[ANCIENT]

And how many of them will be modernized, and why not put the Baikal module on it ???

[_Sergei_]

We have a repair factory. Previously, 20-25 cars came for modernization and repair, and this year 80.

[serezhasoldatow]

Do you cope? It is good that there is work!

[_Sergei_]

The whole plan is delayed at the end of the year. It always has been. Shock it was done until mid-December. And now I doubt almost 4 times more. If they start production of cars before September, they can do it. But something production is swinging hard. May not be in time this year for the first time.

[Prosha]

May not be in time this year for the first time.

And you, my friend, is a godsend for spies, you do not always need to be informed about what you know!

[cordon332]

[quote = ANCIENT] And how many of them will be modernized, and why not put the Baikal module on it ??? [/ quote]
When installing the Baikal module on the BMP-1, the machine will turn into a mini submarine, as the weight of Baikal is heavier than the BTR-82A combat module at times.

[Mountain shooter]

Wow what happened! It’s a pity the birds didn’t. With ptursami company of such vehicles on the defensive (buried), the battalion of tanks will repulse. Well, that's not bad.

[serezhasoldatow]

There is a "Berezhok" Tula does.

[alean245]

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the project received the cipher "Basurmanin", deliveries to the troops of the upgraded BMP are scheduled for 2019 year.

And when is the BMP-2 “Monster” and the BMP-3 “Sadist”?

[ANCIENT]

There will be a version of BMP 3 ++ immediately "scumbag" !!

[soul]

Old gun 2A28, not 2A82 (from T-90)

[ANCIENT]

The editors have their own time machine quickly transferred to the past, and put the gun from the T14! !!

[Chicha squad]

Yeah not bad. An old man will serve, here they’ve sewn a new farm.

[demiurg]

And here recently they laughed at Ukraine, modernizing the BMP-1. Peremoga, yes. Lattice at least hang or so it goes?
10 or 15 thousand corps of T-64,72,80 tanks are rusting, waiting for their jerk to the English Channel, they cannot be converted to TBMP, and there is no reason for it, soon the T-15 will be.
But we will do BMPT. And on mines will be undermined in the BMP-1. Wounded from the battlefield, on the tank, the technology is worked out.
Exactly overpowered.

[Kurare]

Quote: demiurg

And here recently they laughed at Ukraine, modernizing the BMP-1. Peremoga, yes. Lattice at least hang or so it goes?

Do not compare a makeshift upgrade with a systematic upgrade approach. Yes, upgrading the BMP 1 is not from a good life. But from the USSR, Russia inherited simply gigantic reserves of this equipment. Something of course goes to remelting. But all in junk - this is also not reasonable.

[Rader]

Already much has been said about insufficient booking, about the absence of ATGMs, about an unfortunate name and so on ... Personally, it remains a mystery to me why the module from the BTR 82A was chosen, namely about the main armament: 2A72 guns. This gun was created as an alternative to 2A42 from BMP2, which could not be installed on lightly armored vehicles (wheeled armored vehicles and the same BTR 80). 2A72 reduced recoil momentum during firing (so as not to break the hull), compared with 2A42, however, accuracy and rate of fire fell (from 600-800 rounds per minute to 300). And so, it turns out the modernization of the BMP-1 to the level of BMP-2, or rather, a gun that is deteriorated in terms of characteristics and much better observation devices and sights ...

Quote: Kurare

Quote: demiurg

And here recently they laughed at Ukraine, modernizing the BMP-1. Peremoga, yes. Lattice at least hang or so it goes?

Do not compare a makeshift upgrade with a systematic upgrade approach. Yes, upgrading the BMP 1 is not from a good life. But from the USSR, Russia inherited simply gigantic reserves of this equipment. Something of course goes to remelting. But all in junk - this is also not reasonable.

Yes, it’s not reasonable, but ... Firstly, I don’t think that more than 1000 cars will undergo modernization (in fact, I think that less). Secondly, the main weapon of Basurmanin is inferior to that of the BMP-2. Based on the foregoing, it would seem logical to modernize the second infantry fighting vehicles (of which there are a thousand and a half, or even two). With this modernization, modern sights and surveillance devices should be installed, which would significantly increase the awareness of the crew of the car (well, the chances of survival). I do not think that the cost of upgrading the BMP-2 exceeded the cost of Basurmanin ...

[Kurare]

Quote: Rader

Secondly, the main weapon of Basurmanin is inferior to that of the BMP-2.

Original weapons BMP-2 is superior. What is only a thermal imager worth.

Quote: Rader

With this modernization, modern sights and surveillance devices should be installed, which would significantly increase the awareness of the crew of the car (well, the chances of survival).

Example: "Berezhok" for Algeria. There, almost everything is needed for the modernization of the deuce. But something has to be done with so many "ones"! Just in the furnace - also not the case.

Quote: Rader

I do not think that the cost of upgrading the BMP-2 exceeded the cost of Basurmanin ...

I think that the cost of upgrading Berezhok is more than the module from the BTR 82

[Rader]

Quote: Kurare

Original weapons BMP-2 - superior. What is only a thermal imager worth.

No, not superior. The characteristics of 2A42 compared to 2A72 clearly indicate this. The presence of a thermal imager and the best SLA, of course, is a huge plus, but this will not increase the accuracy of the gun and its rate of fire. As you correctly specified, the cost of Berezhka exceeds the cost of the BTR 82A module by several times, but what prevents the installation of sights (the same tepak) and the LMS from this relatively simple and cheap module on the BMP-2? It is precisely the fact that it would be more expedient to modernize the second BMPs using individual BM elements from the BTR 82, I had in mind.

[Kurare]

Quote: Rader

It is precisely the fact that it would be more expedient to modernize the second BMPs using individual BM elements from the BTR 82, I had in mind.

But will there be too much mottling? The USSR has always suffered from this.
Or invent and put something completely new, but then that's it! Or what is available without changes. Probably somewhere like that.

[Rader]

Quote: Kurare

Either invent and put something completely new, but then on everything, or that which is already in large quantities. Probably somewhere like that.

In principle, everything is true, someone decided not to bother and put the finished module. Although to prepare a modernization kit (to install existing sights and SLAs in the towers of the second bmpech with minimal changes in design) and install this kit on all BMP-2 it would be much more logical and unification would not suffer one iota.
A motley not only in the USSR but also in the Russian Federation no less. They wanted to leave only 1 type of MBT, namely the T-72 / T-90. At the moment, we have T-72B3, T-90, T-90A, T-80 U and BVM, T-90AM (or what was the breakthrough 3 called in the end? ..) and T-14 in the future. And this is only from relevant and more or less new machines ...

[Kurare]

Quote: Rader

and install this kit on all BMP-2 would be much more logical and unification would not suffer one iota.

In general, BMP-1 should not be taken into the army, even if it goes to the Russian Guard, Syria or where else. Enough motley.

Quote: Rader

At the moment, we have T-72B3, T-90, T-90A, T-80 U and BVM, T-90AM (or whatever the breakthrough 3 was called in the end? ..) and T-14 in the future.

Yes, in the tank troops it’s just a hodgepodge. These are precisely the echoes of the Soviet past. Well, at least the 62nd is rafted to Syria. Well, this is just the situation when you need to plan, and not as it is customary in Russian - to improvise!

[Servisinzhener]

They refused from the ATGMs or they will simply be separately in the drawers without reference to the new combat module.

[Captain Pushkin]

"BMP-1 was adopted in 1966. This is the first in the USSR combat armored floating tracked vehicle, which went into series"

But what about the tracked floating BTR-50, adopted for service in 1954?

[ALEXXX1983]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

But what about the tracked floating BTR-50, adopted for service in 1954?

So, an armored personnel carrier is not a BMP.

[KVU-NSVD]

And why, having a RUMF, keep the crew of three people (judging by the picture). Booking would not hurt to strengthen - at least in the area of ​​the airborne squad, and mine protection.

[Livonetc]

A remotely detonated 30 mm caliber ammunition has already been developed?

[eburg1234]

Yes.
But there is doubt that it is good in terms of price / performance.

[donavi49]

More guns, more modules.

Already ordered 500 + BMP in a circumcised Berezhka (without fragmentation shielding ATGM and only with 2 - instead of 4 like Algeria for example).

[donavi49]

Algerian version (360 machines). 4 ATGM in casings, AGS. Yes, without additional protection (but then they didn’t have such reliable options, they bought it earlier, maybe now they will buy additional protection sets. Moreover, they don’t really have it with rivers).

[donavi49]

For comparison, not even the superhumans from ancient Sumeria, but their younger brothers from the Greatest Empire on the Danube.

They are of course more modest about 100 cars (but also the scale of the country and the army, too). But they went over their pennies pretty much.
- The new Caterpillar C9 engine for 396 horses.
- A new turret with an 3 Spike generation ATGM and an 25mm KDA cannon.
- New surveillance devices, TPV.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: donavi49

Already ordered 500+ infantry fighting vehicles in a circumcised Berezhka (without fragmentation shielding ATGM and only 2

But isn’t this an option with ATRA ATGM in the photo? I mean, the photo does not show BMP-2 with Berezhok. Unfortunately, there were no additional screens at the last one. In addition, in the photo you submitted there is no AGS, which is just included in BM "Berezhok".

[Siberian 1975]

"At the moment in the troops and Rosguards are in operation about 1 thousand BMP-1 "Booking to suppress dissent is quite enough. And weapons, too.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sibiryak 1975

"At the moment, about 1 thousand BMP-1s are in operation in the troops and the Russian Guard." Booking to suppress dissent is quite enough. And weapons, too.

Ek you call terrorists - "disagree."
Let me remind you that the competence of the Russian Guard includes, among others, the CTO. And the First and Second Chechen also, by law, were to be conducted by the forces of the BB (future WG). But I had to attract an army.

[Siberian 1975]

I agree with you, but WHO is not the only task for the WG. And do not forget that you don’t scare barmaleys with such a box. They have something to answer, but ordinary people who want to speak out against the guarantor will have nothing to answer. So do not distort. You perfectly understood what I mean.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Sibiryak 1975

ordinary people who want to oppose the guarantor will have nothing to answer. So do not distort

And here you don’t need to juggle: BMPs are not required to disperse meetings - special equipment copes with this very well. But against all kinds of “fighters” 30 mm is more than a good indicator - they were afraid of the BTR-80A in the Second CV, not to mention the BMP-2. By the way, the latter’s survivability is not so bad - in Syria no more than a dozen twos have been lost in the entire GW.

[Volos]

Now, in the RG, they will receive upgraded Basurmanins, self-propelled mortars on UAZs, Nona SVK batteries and will probably do without an army.

[Alexey-74]

In general, an armored personnel carrier will be obtained on tracks. But the name Basurmanin is generally worthless ........

[Aaron Zawi]

Beautiful car.

[Shelest2000]

Hmm, why did they refuse to install ATGMs on the tower?

[Ayratelinsion]

And then where to shoot them? But the crowds of civilians? xD

[Reserve buildbat]

"This is the first in the USSR combat armored floating tracked vehicle, which went into series."
It seems that this is the first BMP in the world in general, no?
And another question: why 3 human crew? In the BMP-1, this was justified, but with the "Berezhok" two for the eyes is enough

[Zaurbek]

All is well, but there is no ATGM. . For BMP-1 there was also Clover (it and the Urains do it for themselves too) there are 30mm + 4 pieces of ATGMs.

[Volos]

Not Clover, but Cleaver

[Zaurbek]

This is a more viable design.

[net0103net]

The mass grave of the infantry entered the troops without changing the corps, and now you can’t train on the armor ... Well, well ..

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: net0103net

while on the armor you can’t train now

Seriously? Those. on an armored personnel carrier - is it possible, but not on an armored personnel carrier?

[net0103net]

With the new module only in transport position.

[Blackgrifon]

AND? On the BMP-2, almost everything is the same, but no one complains. And BMP-1 itself in the troops after 1ChV was almost gone - they were quickly replaced by deuces, which later was reflected in the form of a reduction in losses. In the best case, one could be found only beyond the Urals.

[net0103net]

Sir, you are an statistician) You just need to catch a queue under the armor of 12 mm caliber and more ... Imagine that you are in an iron box in place of an infantryman, there is almost no orientation, only in the shooting sector and not always. And then they hit me on the armor. The large-caliber line-up under the armor is felt as if it was often hit with small sledgehammers on the armor and very strongly, with concussions and sparks, both outside and inside the case (the last option is yours). And now imagine that the infantry division of the BMP is broken .. Even if you survived the first strike, it is not a fact that you will survive at least another five minutes. You can be bombarded from different sides (ambush). Your car may receive other damage and lose the ability to move and even spin in place. If you are under armor at this moment, then according to the statistics of real battles it can be, for example, like this: - the case is broken, you are shell-shocked and blinded by sparks and explosions under the armor, maybe you burn with the machine and are injured and you live 1 minute or less ; - if you don’t burn, then things are not much better, because half of your homies yesterday were wounded, maimed or killed; - the last of you, those who were sitting at the back gas tank doors are already dead, because they opened the door and tried to land, you will find them right under the doors or around .. you will see them when you try to look around sitting in their place, or they will begin to tear to shreds right in front of your eyes when you try to land without cover, you will remember this well, for life, if you will be following them in turn; - if you survived everything previously described, then you lived about 1 minute (were not at the doors and loopholes), and now it is your turn to move. and here you fall out onto the ground, stunned, covered in alien blood and brains, in diesel fuel, which only by some miracle didn’t flare up right on you (the bullets were usual with the enemy), without any idea about your fire sector, about the number of locations and the nomenclature of enemy firing points - the only way to survive is to get under the car, otherwise you will be like a piece of meat on a cutting board; - let's say you didn’t slow down, immediately climbed under the car and survived again!, you begin to look around quickly, you see the full cubes everywhere and the miserable remnants of your unit, the number of which decreases every second or two, you need to defend yourself, right?; - if you decide to defend lying under the body, it is very likely that the BMP will become a posthumous monument to you, the fact is that it will be fired again very soon, it will catch fire then will explode (if it doesn’t immediately tear at all), and you will fry, alive or not , depends on how often and accurately you will shoot back, if often and accurately, then you will be reassured earlier, if not, then you will burn alive under the belly of an armored vehicle - ARMOR IS WEAK, therefore BMP-1 is more of a barrel with fuel and ammunition rather than an armored fortress.
All this does not happen when the landing of a light armored car rides on the armor. It just seems that everyone is open - shoot at anyone) Actually, the armored landing is a very effective mobile observation post. Everyone wants to live, so the flashes from the shots notice immediately, it gives 1-2 seconds of handicap - the light is visible immediately, and the "hello" arrives a little later. In these seconds, the entire landing force jumps off the armor and takes up defense, knowingly knowing where the enemy is. The result is that there are much less losses, especially idiotic ones (I mean not fighters, but their commanders ... most often). Well, those who ride on the armor will not go into a blind ambush. The landing force in this case dismounts and turns on the regime of cleansing the territory. And this fundamentally changes both the beginning of the battle and its ending, because the enemy in this case almost completely loses the effect of surprise in the attack. An incomplete exception to this rule is urban combat, in which it is always extremely dangerous to drive columns of armored vehicles, especially in an offensive.
And now the main thing - modern weapon modules (especially tank ones) in combat mode exclude the presence of troops on the armor - they will not be able to perform their functions. And if everything is clear with the tank - where the tanks maneuver, the infantry has nothing to do, it has its own position or removal. With BMPs, only one thing is clear - if the weapon module is modern, then all infantry will be under armor or on foot. The latter excludes mobility of movement. And if the infantry is under armor, then the armor should be good (medium or heavy), then the BMP turns into a highly effective, high-precision, stationary firing point. Otherwise, a BMP stopped on the battlefield will again turn into a grave for all personnel. Have you ever tried to look for a badge with a soldier number on a charred corpse? For reference, a burning armored vehicle is a high-temperature firebox in which even metal is burned. It crumbles down and lies in heaps larger and smaller, like rust. But it’s not rust, it’s ashes ... funeral, and the body of an infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, or tank is a crematorium. I am not kidding.

[Blackgrifon]

Eustagney! Yes, I don’t argue about the armor of the BMP, although we did not really get to know them. That’s what we were hammered into - so that it should be used as wisely as possible. Nevertheless, I note that in order for an infantry fighting vehicle to be, as you said, a firing point, it needs to have either some distance and cover (you can call in and hide behind a cat) or a tight cover with infantry, for an infantry fighting vehicle without maneuver or infantry cover - This is definitely a burnt box. For not a single armor will protect against an ATGM or RPG.
And if we take into account that all our infantry fighting vehicles (except the three) are designed to confidently hold shots only with their foreheads, then we have to proceed from the principle: the farther to the enemy, the better. I mean, let it be better on a few units such a module than the old conical tower with a clapperboard.

[net0103net]

Well, I completely agree with the latter, although a conventional automatic gun with classical optics in almost the same turret would be quite enough. The strength of using a normal BMP lies primarily in speed, rapid maneuver, the ability to conduct accurate automatic and single-shot large-caliber sniper fire over long distances and .. in their quantity. In reality, in this case, you have only speed and maneuver at your disposal. You can become a forehead to an enemy on an infantry fighting vehicle only in the very last case, when the other options have been exhausted - it was not created for this. BMP in full view of the enemy should constantly move, but rather flicker. WWII pilots did not fly in a straight line, the same story with BMP. Fighting on infantry fighting vehicles with their small number is closer to aerial combat than to tank. If you advance or stand without a clue how and where you will retreat, you are finished. And in the first and second case, you give the opportunity to direct the WTO on you or concentrate the fire of conventional small arms. In both cases, BMP-1 and BMP-2 do not live long. But if you are on the defensive, an IFV must hit, go away and return to where it is not expected, or hit from afar and go into a shelter inaccessible to ATGMs. To do maneuverable zapadlo to the enemy is the direct purpose of an infantry fighting vehicle without landing. Unless, of course, you are in the field more or less. In other cases, due to circumstances, but the classic advantages remain the same, and their non-use gives the same result, which I already described in the previous comment.

[Blackgrifon]

As for the tower - as far as I remember, even such projects were not. At best, they offered a tower from the BMD-2. So they took what was: a combat module from the BTR-82.

And at the expense of the reservation, just in topic today, the Bulletin of Mordovia published another article about additional protection for BMPs (http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-24399.htm). One hope: if the Airborne Forces begin to put quick-detachable sets of armor on their vehicles, the development of which they ordered, then they can also be bought for the native Ground Forces of the Ministry of Defense. Although, if you really want to, now it’s better to add some kind of CEP to them.

[net0103net]

in peacetime, non-military people very often distribute armor. They usually do not favor infantry ... Let's hope otherwise.

[Wolka]

set off with weapons, but why did you forget to put the thrush ...

[tchoni]

Congratulations!!!! comrades !!!!
In 19 year, instead of the new “Kurgan”, the oldest guinos of the 60s of development and (the freshest) early eighties of release will enter our troops. These cars took pictures of still vertical Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko. This is an excellent antiques filled with history, full of mysteries and secrets (for example, such: what x-ray this sharaban does not start). If you are lucky enough to fight for this, then you can easily exchange this arba from the nearest majahid collector for 10 cans of stew and five bottles of vodka. Take it, you will not lose ...

[Peter Ivanov]

There is an opinion that neither "KurganTzeff" nor "Armatt" = WILL BE!

[Xscorpion]

Quote: senima56

Really! There is, already shown more than once at exhibitions, the 57-mm Baikal module - why is it not used for re-equipment of old equipment? And then, as I observe, in 90% of cases, the PKT machine gun is NOT installed on the module from the BTR-82A in a regular place! What's the matter? Difficulties with installation or maintenance? Then this problem had to be solved for a long time!

Where do you observe this? PKT machine guns are in the barracks, in the CWC, they are assigned to the gunners and they take them with them to the fleet of combat vehicles. And after the end of the combat readiness regime they are carried back. The matter is not in difficulties, but in the rules for ensuring the safety of weapons, so as not to create the prerequisites for theft.

Quote: Ros 56

Thanks, they made you laugh ...

In vain, you laugh, in fact it is the vapors that explode, a mixture of fuel and air. At least gasoline, at least kerosene. There is no doubt that gasoline fuels faster. Remember the joke about seeing the amount of gas in the tank. But at high temperatures, especially in the tracer or incendiary and diesel fuel mixture withers so that little seems.

Do not confuse kerosene gasoline with a solarium. In it, the lit matches go out. They wrote above, they come to the database area with empty feed tanks. According to the instructions, they should be filled with sand in the deployment area, for additional protection.

Quote: ANCIENT

And how many of them will be modernized, and why not put the Baikal module on it ???

Yes, most likely only those that are in service. There are 500 of them in the army, and then mostly in training. At least I have not heard that they remain in combat units. As for this module, they most likely put on the BTR-82a due to the fact that the gunners will be trained by them. I remember when these BTR-82a appeared, then 2 gunners from each company were sent to study for a month and a half, and they still teach. This is about the contract parts. And here from the first days, conscripts will be able to undergo training on more or less modern weapons, rather than 2A28, which are almost gone. And the basis for the next 10 years will remain 30 mm caliber. I think that the BMP-2 will also be upgraded over time to this module.

[Guillon]

It is not clear that the 72mm caliber will be changed to 30 mm and is this an upgrade? !!

[Hiller]

Conceived not bad. The module is ready - there is no need to invent it and production has been established. Trainers are available and directors are available. ATGM only need to be added. And the gun "Thunder" - according to nomenclature 2A28, not 2A82.

[cordon332]

Good and necessary work. Question to the author - where did the thermal imager come from on BO-BTR-82A? Of course, you need it, but if you use a thermal imager, the cost of all the work will increase at times and the question will arise about its feasibility. In addition, the ATGM deprived the car, you need at least a pin to install a portable ATGM kit somewhere to stick.

[Volos]

ATGM on each infantry fighting vehicle may not be necessary, but the anti-tank company with the Kornet-D ATGM on the chassis of the same BMP-1 in each battalion will not be superfluous both against tanks and field fortifications ..

[Victor Wolz]

To ditch a lot of money, effort, work of engineers and workers on the modernization of BMP 3 and the creation of a boomerang, kurgan, then to remember that we still have BMP 1 in our warehouses and they need to be modernized. Here it is a military spine in all its glory !!!!

[Victor Wolz]

I wrote stupidity in all its glory.

[Genry]

Quote: Victor Wolz

Here it is a military spine in all its glory !!!!
...
I wrote stupidity in all its glory.

Stupidity is to throw away working equipment and not use it where it can work normally.
This "old woman" can be used as a carrier of support and defense weapons, as a carrier of fighters and supplies, as a medical machine .....

[Victor Wolz]

Yes, an old woman can, but it could have been at least 15-10 years earlier than they thought when they spent money on Kurgan and boomerang with armature (armored personnel carriers)? Can you imagine the industrial process? We built a line, set up machines, trained people, and then threw it right, and why the hell do we still have BMP-1 ???

[cordon332]

Quote: siberalt

Basurmans, as before, were called Russian Turks. That's for sure. And the tanks are guilty of something

"Basurmanin" is the name of the project, not the tank. And all these artillery flowers, other dregs are the names of projects, not vehicles

[Zomanus]

In short, they redo the module for the BMP epaulet, about this article?
And the next one will probably be about the Berezhok module?
Well then why laugh?
It’s clear that machines for steaming backward countries,
either non-combatant.

[eburg1234]

I really hope that this is a car for export or a maximum to the Russian Guard.
To supply such an army is simply a shame. And no excuses are needed.

[Genry]

Quote: Golovan Jack

But as the host of the "televised debates," he is complete bullshit, agree.

Solovyov on television debates served as a traffic light. He was put in a tight framework and a complete ban on his own opinion.
So if you don’t know, then you would be silent.
Sorry, transferred somewhere and lost the sequel ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Genry

suffered somewhere and lost continuation ...

Instead of the “Quote” button, click “Reply” first, and then “iterate”.
And you will be happy.
I do not care about Solovyov. Saliva. We were not talking about Solovyov there.

Quote: Genry

lost continuation

Seek, ye will fathom

[Volos]

Basurmanin - this is the "idiot" who approved this version of the modernization of the BMP-1.
A set of additional outboard reservations, anti-mine screens and anti-shatter padding from Kevlar costs a “penny” in the total cost of modernization.
This "basurman" did not give a damn about the safety of ordinary infantrymen by putting millions of kickbacks in their pocket ....

[Volos]

"Pecheneg", "Iskander", "Dzhigita" adopted, now "Basurmanin", it remains to take the "Polovtsy", "Janissary", "Khazarina", "Bulgarina", "Tatarina" ......
all Russian enemies were “glorified”, as if there were no normal names, although what else to expect from the Asian Shoigu ......

[badens1111]

Quote: Volos

all Russian enemies "glorified"

Chu ... you didn’t understand what they glorified ... but glorified, VICTORY over them, naming them with weapons that will prepare for the next enemies the fate of the former ..

[gippernano]

But aren't we Scythians? not asites? with slanting and greedy eyes. Strange reaction.

[badens1111]

Quote: gippernano

But aren't we Scythians? not asites? with slanting and greedy eyes. Strange reaction.

"And are we guilty of crunching your skeleton, in our heavy, tender paws."
Need to remind more often

[Volos]

What is, a native European and ancestors from the Vladimir-Suzdal lands.

[Volos]

The weapons were usually assigned the names of the master or the famous hero-hero.

[Vitaly Aaa]

If there really is such an upgrade, then this is only a minus, not a plus ... Both experts and warriors who really fought on technology with a 30mm caliber have long and thoroughly criticized this caliber because of its low efficiency, especially anti-personnel high-explosive fragmentation shells. I understand unification is important. But in this case, if they can’t offer a more efficient modernization, then it’s better not to touch the BMP-1. At least she won’t even notice that any EMI ammunition is within range, while all this newfangled equipment stuffed with computers, LCD screens and other electronics will immediately fail.

[Valery Saitov]

Something with the name overdone.

[Archon]

it would be better if medical or repair machines were done from them.

[gnp 35]

Quote: Pollux

Quote: Ros 56

In vain, you laugh, in fact it is the vapors that explode, a mixture of fuel and air.

The diesel fuel does not evaporate, this is, firstly, and secondly, the diesel fuel is not easy to set on fire, by the time the remaining diesel fuel in the tank is lit up, the BMP will already burn to the ground.

Well handsome, what can I say ...
We open GOST 305-82 (this is the last Soviet guest in DT) and carefully look at p. 3 "SAFETY REQUIREMENTS" and immediately bump into it in paragraph 3.1, in which it is written in black and white in Russian (I quote):
“Diesel fuel is a flammable liquid. The explosive concentration of its vapor and mixture with air is 2-3% (by volume). The auto-ignition temperature of fuel grade L is 300 ° C, grade Z is 310 ° C, grade A is 330 ° C;
ignition temperature limits for grades:
L - lower 69 ° C, upper 119 ° C;
З "62 ° С," 105 ° С;
A "57 ° C," 100 ° C ""
paragraph 3.2 "Equipment, discharge and loading devices, in order to prevent the ingress of fuel vapor into the air of the working room, must be sealed."
pp 3,3 "In the premises for storage and operation of diesel fuel, open fire is prohibited, artificial lighting must be in explosion-proof performance"

This is probably all due to the fact that it does not evaporate ...

PySy Well, finally, I recommend reading this document
"Ref. N 632/3
11 / 1X-44 g.
Report of the special laboratory NKV N 101-1 on the topic:
STUDY OF THE PECULIARITIES OF DAMAGE OF T-34 TANK FUEL FUEL TANKS TO ARMORING-HEAM AND COMMULATIVE (ARMOR-RESISTANT) AMMUNITIONS OF THE GERMAN Fascist Army.
Repl. Performers: Rozov, Kaminsky, Shurov
Head: Sarafanov "
can then stop the thoughtful crap

[-Pollux]

Quote: gnp 35

Well handsome, what can I say ...
We open GOST 305-82

Apparently you never tried to make a fire with diesel fuel, try it, you will learn a lot of interesting things.

Quote: gnp 35

Auto-ignition temperature of brand fuel

In addition to a certain temperature, to ignite the diesel fuel, you need a certain pressure, so that you are in the know ...

Quote: gnp 35

This is probably all due to the fact that it does not evaporate ...

At room temperature - it does not evaporate, I note that practice has shown diesel tanks burn much less often than gasoline tanks.

[gnp 35]

What is my comment erased? Didn’t you like my tone? So I have been dealing with oil products for almost a quarter of a century and have seen much of what is burning and exploding that according to the claims of "couch practitioners" cannot burn and explode. From the fact that the comment erased the diesel did not become less explosive / flammable and the empty / half-empty containers gassed in pairs will still unfold with a rose when they ignite, regardless of whether it was a bullet / fragment / cumulative jet or an idiot acting with open flame who decided to see the rest in the tank.

[Ruslandsafari]

it was high time to upgrade bpm-1

[alexnmv5]

Good decision. By the principle of cheap but very angry. Created taking into account the Syrian experience.