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Citizens, take care of the government!

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There are no statistical data on future “new pensioners”. It turns out that Russian statistics do not have data on either morbidity or mortality of those people whom the government will retire later. There is no data, for example, on men 60-65 years. The State Duma is in a hurry to consider a bill on raising the retirement age: the first reading will be held in July.




Hooray, the Russian national team threw balls into a bag of Saudi Arabia! The Kremlin media, and the world's biggest press are seething with a single ink choir. Pure sensation! The Russian team, about which almost the entire planet responded with such disdain, suddenly gave the championship a "fantastic start", "a fantastic start" (definition CBS News, USA). And now the team is preparing to repeat the initial success, extend it to the end of the match.

It’s no joke: President Putin himself is watching the championship!

While Putin is passionate about gambling on the field, his government is pursuing another cunning plan. That is the unpopular decisions clothed in the form of bills.

While playing football on the field, the Kremlin continues to play good king and bad boyars. Negative socio-economic news voiced by Medvedev, and after him, other officials of the highest rank. But not Putin. Yes, and not to face the president, who promised to his board not to raise the retirement age, suddenly come out to the people and declare a change of opinion on the opposite.

In September 2005, President Vladimir Putin сообщил:

At the same time, and I want to draw your attention to this circumstance, I am against the extension of the retirement age. And, while I am the president, no such decision will be taken. And in general, I believe that we do not need to increase the period of retirement.


It is clear.

A repetition of what was said sounded a couple of years later, in October of 2007,

A very important question: "Will the retirement age be raised?" I think there is no need to raise the retirement age in the Russian Federation.


The same was repeated by the officials, who are at the highest levels. And even at the top. D. Medvedev kept saying this when he was president. Quote dated November 2010 of the year:

We do not plan to raise the retirement age in the coming years. But not because we have no objective grounds for this, but because such decisions necessarily require very serious discussion and public consent.


Yuri Voronin, Deputy Minister of Health, 2011 year:

According to our estimates, even before 2030, even raising this problem is absolutely wrong. To solve this problem, you first need to prepare the system.


Tatyana Golikova, Minister of Health, 2008 Year:

As part of the proposals [on the reform of the pension system] that will be made, the proposals on increasing the retirement age will not be made.


Your lips and honey to drink!

14 June 2018 of the year at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers from Medvedev, mentioned above, who had long settled on the role of a “lightning rod” (the worst boyar of the ideal Putin czar) received a creative proposal to raise the retirement age in stages: for men to 65 years, for women - to 63 years . With the transitional period, the government will not postpone it: it will begin as early as next year, if, of course, the State Duma passes the law in the proper number of readings. And she, of course, will. Where to take doubts? After all, our deputies are not American congressmen, who are easily blocking the decisions of their presidents. We have complete unity of all branches of power, complete stability, we do not need Maidan, we are waiting for a bright future. How many years (more precisely, epochs) are waiting, only historians will tell.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on June 14 that the transition period will begin in 2019. It will last up to 2028 of the year (this is the designated period for raising the retirement age for men) and up to 2034 of the year (term for women).

According to Medvedev, who publishes TASSsuch a measure “will allow us to allocate additional funds to increase pensions above the inflation rate”. The head of government assured his subordinates (and at the same time the people) that "the changes will be smooth, the increase will take place gradually." Further, TASS seems to stutter, probably, from reporter unrest. According to Medvedev, the agency writes, “this will allow us to send additional funds to increase pensions above the inflation rate.”

It is appropriate to recall here the words of Putin, spoken by him recently on the “Straight Line”: “As for the retirement age, you know my position, I have always treated and are very careful and careful about this today. One of the key tasks that I formulated before the government is to increase the incomes of pensioners, and a significant increase. ”

And here's the good news, from which they should happily jump (if osteochondrosis allows) all those who have contrived to outwit the rulers and have already jumped out of retirement.

Medvedev told 14 June that, firstly, the current retirees will not be affected by raising the retirement age, and, secondly, pensions will increase annually by about a thousand rubles. They "will grow annually by about 1 thousand rubles a year," if we follow the stuttering TASS. Annually a year.

Here it is, the urgent fulfillment of Putin’s covenants by the government: on the wooden one for the brother! Annually! Significant increase!

So rich not for long. Maybe in offshore pensioners will start investing dollars soon. Following the example of our rapidly growing rich against the background of the impoverished country of the oligarchs. And citizenship will buy - who in Malta, who in Cyprus. Again, following the example of other Russian patriots.

Increasing the retirement age to 63 for women is the maximum scenario we are talking about. wrote some days ago. There was another: up to 60 years for women.

Apparently, the government decided to go ahead with bad news. A championship with a ball and five heads will soften the blow! We are all fans, all seventy-seven, eighty-six, one hundred and forty-six percent, right? What is our pension, what is our VAT, if our guys are scoring goals! That's where the real economy is. And we all have to work, to work a little more, two by two, three jobs each, otherwise there’s no bright future. And so we will live in a dark present, illuminated only by the lights of giant stadiums.

And the present is very dark. Top-level officials do not even hesitate to admit it. Unlike Putin, who deftly hid the true reform program from voters. At least, we don’t recall that on the eve of the elections in his “messages” the current president shared with the people his thoughts on the upcoming draft law on changing the retirement age. Putin’s electorate would be very puzzled to hear this. But no, Putin is good. Bad reports from us gives Medvedev. Despite the annual "lines" of Putin, the president should be recognized as a man of the bureaucratic system, a non-public person. This is probably his since the days of the KGB. And it's unpleasant to bring sad news to the people. In a word, there are “bad boyars” for this. This primitive strategy works perfectly for the Russian electorate, which Putin has not changed since the spring of 2000 of the year. Many of us are wondering what the “Putin’s cunning plan” is (abbreviation of HSP). But he is the one!

"Bad Boyar" Tatyana Golikova (Russian Deputy Prime Minister) spoke at a government briefing. I spoke on the same day when the unpopular decision was announced by Premier Medvedev. On the same day, when the Russian team threw five balls into an Arabian string bag (hurray, breakthrough, victory!).

While the fans were drinking beer, she told about two sad things.

Firstly, every second unemployed person in Russia is a young man. "Among the unemployed at the moment, the prevailing age of people from 20 to 34 years, 48,7% in total unemployment is made up of people of this age," - quotes Golikov Interfax.

Secondly, she reported that the Russian statistics (attention!) Does not contain data on "morbidity and mortality at the age of 50 years - 60 years for women and 60-65 years for men". According to her, the corresponding statistics are simply “no.”

These are the same old people, we note, that same age group, the “new” representatives of which will have to retire in the near future. It is likely that the government will urgently gather the missing data. But first, of course, the Duma will read and approve the new law. And there - where the curve of state fate will take out. Let's hope for Russian chance. Or on the national football team. Maybe the players will donate to the pensioners. Goalkeepers, forwards and coach - rich people. Or maybe the society will start collecting retirees for assistance through text messages. As sick children or people with disabilities.

However, why darken the already dark present? After all, Medvedev made it clear: there will be a thousand-dollar increase in retirement every year. This means that the current retirees will be very pleased.

Discontent will show the future. Those who risk remaining in the dark present instead of moving into a bright future. Split in society?

It is hard to say who the “new pensioners” will vote for in 2024, but the old ones, if they’re reached, can easily vote for Medvedev.

Medvedev - for the presidency! Only the presidential throne in Russia guarantees getting rid of the label of a bad boyar and finding the aura of a good king.

Look at the bags Medvedev has under his eyes. He needs to improve his health. Not that will not live to a new pension period!

Take care of the government, citizens! No one will take care of you.


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  1. Vard
    Vard 15 June 2018 07: 04
    +47
    My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 June 2018 07: 19
      +29
      “Annually they will grow by about 1 thousand rubles a year”
      It does not concern working pensioners! Interrupt! And then scatter in Malta, and who will work ?! request
      1. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 15 June 2018 09: 42
        +9
        If this is not enough in your large cities - your problems, but in the province it is VERY much. If my salary was growing at such a speed, I wouldn’t be indignant at all and sat quietly, so she still manages to fall.
        And because of working pensioners, there is no work for young people, so everything is right here.
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        2. badens1111
          badens1111 15 June 2018 11: 32
          +26
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          And because of working pensioners, there is no work for young people, so everything is right here.

          It is only true that the use of some young people is exactly as much as in your statement-ZERO.
          Why? Just because the level of education, level of knowledge, level of responsibility, level of morality are all visible on the example of young and early in management. Chivalry and indifference, decision-making based on momentary benefits, orientation solely on Western patterns in behavior is what leading the generation gap.
          1. ruivit1988
            ruivit1988 16 June 2018 04: 45
            +16
            Today, our boss came to work in a new car ...
            “Nice car,” I said when he got out.
            “Well,” he said, noting my admiring glances. “Work tirelessly, spare no time, and next year I will buy myself a car even cooler.”
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 17
          +9
          You are a happy person, Sergey!
          As for working pensioners (which he himself does), what his native government can do - he retired, received the treasured couple of times in Stolypin, and to Siberia, where there is permafrost or dense taiga.
          There will be a lot of work, in joy, if you do not want to die of hunger and cold. A very good idea and for youth none of these parasites will cross the road.
        4. passing
          passing 15 June 2018 17: 14
          +6
          If this is not enough in your large cities - your problems, but in the province it is VERY much.

          This is not the main thing. The main thing is that pensioners will return to the level of purchasing power in 2013, with such a dollar, in 15 years. Thanks to our authorities.
          And you, a lot of 1000 rubles or a little. This 1000 is half depreciated.
          1. alstr
            alstr 15 June 2018 17: 53
            +4
            If only half. The scenario of 91 g is quite possible when my contribution to 1000 Soviet rubles became 1000 Russian rubles of the sample (God forbid 1994).

            If you take into account that I could buy 1000 Soviet rubles for a TV, a refrigerator and a phone, then for 1000 Russian I bought only a phone for myself.

            So here.

            PS And by the way, 1000 rubles is just a year or the monthly pension will increase by 1000. The difference is significant.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 15 June 2018 18: 53
              +3
              Quote: alstr
              The difference is substantial.

              1 Soviet ruble is estimated to be approximately 120 Russian .. and the payouts are not at all ..
              Here the data for 17, now 18 and the dollar is growing again, respectively, the price of the Soviet ruble is the same.
              As of June 2017, $ 100 at the official rate, and not speculative, but used in real payment and settlement relations with foreign countries, cost 54 rubles 36 kopecks of the USSR.

              We look at the website of the same Central Bank the rate of the modern Russian ruble against the dollar. Not today, but on June 30th, to be completely accurate. So, on June 30, 1 US dollar with a slight rounding cost 59 rubles 9 kopecks. Thus, $ 100 yesterday cost 5909 modern Russian rubles.

              Using a completely uncomplicated mathematical operation, we find that the exchange rate of the Soviet ruble to Russian is 1 to 108,70, that is, one Soviet ruble costs 108 rubles 70 kopecks today), as of 2017.
              The question is, who is deceiving whom? Https: //www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic1
              721904.html
              1. alstr
                alstr 15 June 2018 21: 46
                +3
                The current ruble exchange rate for reality is very weak. It is more correct to compare purchasing power. Of course, it will turn out different in comparison of different products. Usually compared to the cost of living.
                If we consider the minimum wage / pension for the USSR as a living wage, we will get completely different numbers. This figure will be from 190 to 290 Russian rubles per Soviet.

                In fact, the conversation was not about specific numbers, but that this unfortunate thousand, even after a couple of years, could turn out to be a couple of kopecks.
        5. TuM0305
          TuM0305 15 June 2018 17: 30
          +8
          Another got out! First work for 30 years! What city are you from? What is your profession? Tell me how do working pensioners bother you? There are such works that you will never go to a sucker, even if they free you a place! Do you want to sit at the trough! What prevents you from going to the factory for 10 thousand? a teacher to school for 10 thousand? WHAT???
        6. akunin
          akunin 15 June 2018 18: 11
          +17
          And because of working pensioners, there is no work for young people, so everything is right here.

          oh bastard I, I don’t give you work. here (I understand, you fart how I can live on my pension at 10400 rubles, and I also don’t have a job for you) now you won’t get any work at all, because if my pension increases by 83.33 rubles a month. (1000 rubles per year), then I’m from work or dust, or forward feet.
          and you don’t have work, not because of me (a working pensioner), but because the government and the president do not work, they do not create production and jobs.
        7. Trotil42
          Trotil42 17 June 2018 07: 21
          0
          What is true? What works best?
        8. Ren
          Ren 18 June 2018 09: 38
          0
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          And because of working pensioners, there is no work for young people, so everything is right here.

          And where is the logic? fool
          The later a working person leaves retirement, the longer he takes a position that young people can take!
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 15 June 2018 17: 57
        +9
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        It does not concern working pensioners!


        And you decide to retire, you start a miserable existence (well, if you are not a former deputy). The sores that have accumulated with age and the reformed ZhEK-ripper will take away our entire or your pension. For a long time I have not been connected with the topic of discussion of our Supreme and his negligent boyars, and yet I will express myself.
        GDP received the last term of its reign and can now experiment very boldly and to the fullest.
        People! Pull up your pants and hold on!
        1. akunin
          akunin 15 June 2018 18: 20
          +6
          Quote: Arberes
          GDP received the last term of its reign and can now experiment very boldly and to the fullest.

          on the account of the last term, it’s fresh, optimistic. and experiments with pension savings began at the dawn of the reign (2001) and continue to boldly continue (confiscation of the funded part of the pension for 4 years).
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 15 June 2018 18: 30
            +3
            Quote: akunin
            at the expense of the deadline, fresh, optimistic.


            Are you hinting at another redistribution of the constitution?

            Quote: akunin
            .a experiments with pension savings began at the dawn of the reign (2001)


            To increase the retirement age, our sun-faced man decided only now - in the last term of his reign (earlier, however, something was holding him back).

            In general, the “experiment” in my understanding has a much greater meaning — this is not only pension reform, but the entire domestic policy
            thereof. hi
            1. akunin
              akunin 15 June 2018 19: 08
              +8
              Quote: Arberes
              Are you hinting at another redistribution of the constitution?

              but there’s already a “bearish” castling, who prevents to repeat either “at the request of citizens (milkmaids Ivanova from Mukhokakansk (the editor doesn’t miss the right word) and locksmith Petrov from Zadryupinsk) and to save money on the elections” lengthen, increase, stretch (underline necessary) the presidential term, and the constitutional court will approve.
              1. AUL
                AUL 15 June 2018 20: 24
                +9
                So has already begun slowly "casting fishing rods" in this regard. Remember the recent ideas of Kadyrov (?) Regarding the 3rd term and the abolition of age restrictions for the presidency. Here it is, the Oberon window in action! The same scheme as with raising the retirement age. But what, the constitution under Putin was changed (4-6) without any stupid referenda, and nothing, everyone swallowed and wiped themselves. So what will prevent it from extending for the 3rd (4th, 5th ...) presidential term?
        2. Trotil42
          Trotil42 17 June 2018 07: 22
          +1
          Well, not the last one to say .. again the distillation will be ...
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 17 June 2018 15: 16
            +6
            Quote: Trotil42
            Well, not the last one to say .. again marking will be...

            RACING - You "made my day"! good laughing
      3. novickov.vova
        novickov.vova 16 June 2018 05: 58
        +7
        Now pensions are growing at about 500 rubles a year. Well, they will pay a lot to current retirees, taking into account the increase in VAT, prices for fuel and lubricants, etc. Populism, however, gentlemen are capitalist ministers.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 June 2018 08: 28
      +52
      You will have to pay more for unemployment benefits than for pensions. Then what is the point of saving on the elderly? belay The general global trend is the automation of production. In Europe itself, there is almost no full-time or weekly work. There was an inviolable principle in the USSR - not a single new law can worsen the rights of workers, children, disabled people and pensioners that are in force. As we see, the liberals also poher what our fathers and grandfathers fought for and shed blood. Now, not only faith in the future, but the future itself has been taken away from us. winked
      Really, Putin does not understand that pension reform with increasing age will first of all hit him. And no Rosguard will help. You can’t do without a referendum. But for this it is necessary to declassify all the data on our demographics, and not to "assign" everyone to live up to 80 years.
      1. BAI
        BAI 15 June 2018 09: 20
        +17
        You can’t do without a referendum.

        There was already (the first, only and last) referendum on the preservation of the USSR. So what is the result?
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 15 June 2018 10: 16
        +21
        In the 90, after a sharp collapse, many unemployed went into small business - they stopped in the market and moved hard times. Now this niche is covered. Where does the government think of adding young unemployed who no one needs without experience and old ones who are also unclaimed after 45?
      3. reservist
        reservist 15 June 2018 11: 23
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        In Europe itself, there is almost no full-time or weekly work.

        for the whole of Europe I won’t say, but in Germany, doctors usually get more than 40 hours a week along with duty
      4. Ber
        Ber 15 June 2018 11: 28
        +1
        You will have to pay more for unemployment benefits than for pensions. Then what is the point of saving on the elderly? belay The general global trend is the automation of production. In Europe itself, there is almost no full-time or weekly work.


        It turns out everything goes to the 6-hour working day? There are four shifts in production, if you work at one and a half rates, then 9 hours.

        The Bolsheviks won with the slogan of an 8-hour working day, so that Communist Party has something to think about without an increase in salary, the transition from 8 to 6 hours a working day, because the automation of industrial lines is leaps and bounds, robotization of production, the development of a separate from the global network, the branch of the industrial Internet for remote control of industrial. zones ..........
      5. Captain green
        Captain green 15 June 2018 11: 58
        +8
        There will be no increase in benefits! There will be only their decline.
        After how many months without work, a person is considered to have lost labor skills? After a year, it seems. And the unemployed goes to any (!) Job. Reduce this period to six months - and voila! Unemployment in the country eliminated!
      6. NordUral
        NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 29
        +15
        Oleg is one gang, they all understand, they don’t understand only one thing - they will finish their vile life on a pitchfork.
        Yesterday I came across a movie on YouTube of Navalny, the anti-corruption fighter (I’m not at all a supporter of this company, they are still those guys, but the facts that Lesha brings are holy truth). Namely, the story is about a house of a simple official (he was just a vice-prime minister recently (well, almost a vice-king), which is not very far from the buildings of a residential village, too, very simple people from Skolkovo (there is such a sawmill for the budget). And they live in the same house in this village for ordinary rammers and helpers with a wall without windows, so that their envious eyes do not look at the house, or maybe a palace or even a palace complex.
        The teams of architects of this house were exhausted, so that they could not keep the vice vice and the residents of the house depressed. But coped with a couple of Western creators.
        In general, technical progress, drones, Wi-Fi, cameras on quadcotters - this is sheer harm. Good people interfere with life if they fall into the hands of bad people who like to spy and expose the simple life of ordinary rowers from the guarantor's galley.
        1. akunin
          akunin 15 June 2018 18: 28
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          this is one gang, they all understand, they don’t understand only one thing - they will finish their vile life on a pitchfork

          you can’t gush so optimistic, fantasies are this. Remembering the pitchfork, remember M.S. Gorbachev, B.N. Yeltsin, Kozyrev (still alive), Egor Gaidar, etc. everything will end happily. Will die in bed, in a dream, surrounded children, dogs and servants. Life is not fair.
      7. saigon
        saigon 15 June 2018 18: 11
        +1
        So a fact known not depending on the country and time period, in cases of a serious mess, the police and other similar services evaporate like phantoms.
        And in this case, the society in which the army takes power and responsibility is happy, otherwise everything is catastrophic.
    3. Vend
      Vend 15 June 2018 09: 10
      +18
      Quote: Vard
      My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

      My retirement retired for five years. Our government would think about retiring due to health reasons. Not everyone will be able to work, even until 60 years.
      1. credo
        credo 15 June 2018 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: Vard
        My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

        My retirement retired for five years. Our government would think about retiring due to health reasons. Not everyone is able to work, even up to 60 years.

        If a person receives a disability in the category of disabled, then his pension is assigned ahead of schedule, i.e. until retirement age. This system works now and is unlikely to be canceled. Although it’s impossible to promise in this matter, it does not depend on us.
        As for the author's article, as always, it is too one-sided and sins with understatement. In fact, for the past 27 years, since the collapse of the USSR, in the government and around government circles every year someone has necessarily declared the need to raise the retirement age. Then they looked at the reaction of the population, and most likely they looked at the state of the budget and other officials, including the President and the Prime Minister, announced that it was too early to think about the increase, so this question was postponed until better times.
        That is, the country's population was purposefully and methodically preparing for this "significant" event, and now it seems that this moment has already arrived. The law has not yet been adopted, but the topic is ready to be considered and discussed. Of course 1000 rubles. in the year of the premium, this is certainly not serious and may even be ridiculous, but capitalism is capitalism and this should be taken for granted. Perhaps some of the politicians will now announce a return to socialism and its social justice. Maybe. I am not even opposed, but only on one condition - no bloody revolutions and military coups, only peacefully and with universal approval, that is, the evolutionary path to a brighter future.
        1. Vend
          Vend 15 June 2018 12: 55
          +6
          Quote: credo
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Vard
          My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

          My retirement retired for five years. Our government would think about retiring due to health reasons. Not everyone is able to work, even up to 60 years.

          If a person receives a disability in the category of disabled, then his pension is assigned ahead of schedule, i.e. until retirement age. This system works now and is unlikely to be canceled. Although it’s impossible to promise in this matter, it does not depend on us.
          .

          I’m not about disability, but about health status. Some people without disabilities cannot perform work duties. They are either fired or transferred to low-paying jobs.
          1. credo
            credo 15 June 2018 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: Wend
            I’m not about disability, but about health status. Some people without disabilities cannot perform work duties. They are either fired or transferred to low-paying jobs.

            Lack of health is a criterion for the appointment of the specified pension, and if you mean that everything is disgusted and there is no desire to continue to work in a particular specialty, then this is called differently, for example, “burnout”. This is a problem of a different level and is most likely connected with the lack of career guidance at school, technical school and university.
            1. Vend
              Vend 15 June 2018 13: 35
              +4
              Quote: credo
              Quote: Wend
              I’m not about disability, but about health status. Some people without disabilities cannot perform work duties. They are either fired or transferred to low-paying jobs.

              Lack of health is a criterion for the appointment of the specified pension, and if you mean that everything is disgusted and there is no desire to continue to work in a particular specialty, then this is called differently, for example, “burnout”. This is a problem of a different level and is most likely connected with the lack of career guidance at school, technical school and university.

              No, I'm not talking about the burnout that a person can not perform specific tasks. For example, a turner, but the legs begin to hurt from standing work, but disability will not work. And I don’t want to switch to another job, paid below. Or vision sets, well, there are many reasons.
            2. Lanaozer
              Lanaozer 15 June 2018 14: 09
              +5
              You are deeply mistaken. Everything was thought out in advance by our Government))).
              For a very long time, already since 2006, this principle of "lack of health" does not work. Now disability is given only if a person has lost not his health, but his FUNCTIONS, i.e. mobility, communication and cognitive ...
              Those. "lack of health", and these are chronic and incurable diseases, lifelong dependence on drugs (diabetes, for example), to which you refer, have long been no longer grounds for recognizing a person as disabled and assigning a pension for disability. ALAS!!!
              1. saigon
                saigon 15 June 2018 18: 14
                0
                And with diabetes you are wrong in my opinion
                1. Lanaozer
                  Lanaozer 15 June 2018 19: 41
                  +1
                  Take an interest, for several years they haven’t given a group after 18. Only for children and then, in extremely difficult cases, which they “take off” when they reach the age of 14. By the age of 14, it is believed that the child is fully compensated ...
                  1. saigon
                    saigon 16 June 2018 04: 59
                    0
                    2 years ago a 38 year old man working with me got a group with diabetes
                    1. Lanaozer
                      Lanaozer 16 June 2018 10: 48
                      0
                      Lucky)). Or he has irreversible changes, like diabetic polyneuropathy, and his body functions are already impaired. Uncomplicated diabetes mellitus is no longer considered the basis for a disability group.
              2. akunin
                akunin 15 June 2018 18: 33
                +1
                It remains to add a significantly narrowed circle of people receiving 3 grams of disability, but this happened 2 years ago.
                1. Lanaozer
                  Lanaozer 15 June 2018 19: 47
                  0
                  Yes, the main “turnaround” of the established and inherited from socialism ITU system occurred about a couple of years ago.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 June 2018 19: 57
                    +3
                    Quote: Lanaozer
                    about a couple of years ago.

                    Before. He worked like that in an invalid organization. By hook or by crook, they try either to reduce the group or to remove it altogether. But yesterday proudly announced. that raising the retirement age will not affect the visually impaired group 1. Does a lot of them work?
                2. topwtopw
                  topwtopw 16 June 2018 00: 35
                  +2
                  This is because "quotas" for disabled people are selected. The money paid to people with disabilities, apparently, is worth the fact that nepotism and blat flourish in the regions (and even more so in small regional towns). For natural offerings to doctors (butter, meat, eggs, etc.), if you have an acquaintance, you can arrange anything. Well, it turns out that healthy, but thieves with disabilities spoil the statistics, and real evidence of disability is often blinded by hook or by crook, regularly put in the hospital for “treatment”, etc., but they don’t give disability.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 34
        +2
        Anatoly! I didn’t think that you were such holy simplicity, though humor may not have reached me.
        Our government would think about retiring due to health reasons.

        As soon as these are thought out, then extinguish the light immediately.
        1. Himdym
          Himdym 18 June 2018 13: 31
          0
          long thought. after replacing the certification of workplaces with a special assessment of working conditions, the number of harmful production factors has been reduced; now, even less people can count on working conditions for a preferential pension. consider that the increase has already occurred between 2012 and 2016, but only for certain categories of workers.
          with health, there is still such an option as occupational disease, but to get such a conclusion from a medical examination is to kill yourself with a broom, because neither the state nor the employer is interested in it, which, according to social insurance, flies to an increased percentage. something like this.
    4. Alber
      Alber 15 June 2018 11: 26
      +15
      Quote: Vard
      the main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money.

      ))) these bastards can easily get it!
      And in the article you need to add a couple of beeches.
      DO NOT SAVE THE GOVERNMENT, but "BEWARE THIS GOVERNMENT"
      It will ultimately finish us off ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 16 June 2018 00: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alber
        add a couple of beeches.

        “The president is not participating in the study of this issue,” the Kremlin spokesman said, asking the public to wait until “the final outline of this reform appears as a result of the expert study.”
        "The government offered to pay social pensions for people who were not able to officially earn the necessary seniority from 70 years for men and from 68 years for women." RBC: 15/06/2018.
  2. RainTNT
    RainTNT 15 June 2018 07: 12
    +50
    Anyone who ate the legs of a bush, drank alcohol, and now eats palm oil and cheap sausage, it is unlikely to live to be 65 years old.

    1. DRA-75
      DRA-75 15 June 2018 08: 26
      +32
      Quote: RainTNT
      Anyone who ate the legs of a bush, drank alcohol, and now eats palm oil and cheap sausage, it is unlikely to live to be 65 years old.

      Older workers, even this rubbish will have nothing to buy, because they simply will not take them to work and squeeze them out in every possible way, replacing the young ones .. That's scary! Now the suicide rate among elderly people will increase sharply, they will not be able to be dependents (full and sick) for their children who already live from s / n to s / n ..
      Thank you Dimon, for a brighter future ..
      1. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 15 June 2018 09: 44
        +8
        Well, yes, it’s better that young people sit without work. And then you will all whine together that no one wants to give birth and that crime does not fall, and further on the list
        1. DRA-75
          DRA-75 15 June 2018 10: 44
          +13
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          Well, yes, it’s better that young people sit without work.

          It’s also true, then let the Duma adopt the law on euthanasia ..! And it’s better to send it to bitter spots, we old people have nothing to lose, we’ll go on the attack to the last at full height and whatever happens .. soldier

          Are authorities pushing us to this again?
          1. tlSver4-KL (tat)
            tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 11: 49
            +7
            It's a shame that such a government in the Russian Federation.
            It’s bitter that they deceived us in the March 2018 elections.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 15 June 2018 11: 56
              +23
              "... Ah, it’s not difficult to deceive me! ...
              I’m glad to be deceived myself! "
              Pushkin
              1. sergey32
                sergey32 15 June 2018 12: 33
                +5
                Honestly, for the first time this time voting for GDP, I had no doubt that the retirement age would be raised, but I assumed that, as in neighboring countries, there are no more than 2-3 years. And it’s like, Mikhalych ...
                Insolence has no limit.
            2. DRA-75
              DRA-75 15 June 2018 12: 07
              +3
              Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
              It's a shame that such a government in the Russian Federation.
              It’s bitter that they deceived us in the March 2018 elections.

              Look, you are dripping into the brain ..? The elections were real, Russia should be with teeth and claws .. Most of the people voted for this!
              But roads, pensioners are all the second time, let our generation die with pride in Russia and nothing more is needed to us! soldier
            3. NordUral
              NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 38
              +9
              And you could think in the elections?
              1. Photon
                Photon 15 June 2018 13: 16
                +6
                General elections are the use of voter incompetence, i.e. fraud.
            4. faiver
              faiver 15 June 2018 13: 15
              +2
              those. before the election, all this stench coming from the Kremlin did not feel chtol?
            5. badens1111
              badens1111 15 June 2018 13: 23
              +5
              Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
              Orko that they tricked us in the March 2018 elections.

              It’s too late to drink Borjomi, since the kidneys refused. It was necessary to think, and not to show uryakvasgazpatretizm ..
              And yet, if the era of the Union, it is possible to visualize, in monuments, as the Worker and Collective Farm Girl, the Warrior the Liberator in Treptower Park, then the current image of society is a monument to Chizhik-Pyzhik and Malevich's Black Square.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 37
          +12
          Guys! Why did you start this swara?
          We have one enemy - organized crime groups in power!
          And a cloud of fooled people who voted for this gang. And there are as many “wise men” that they gave them their own votes without coming to the polls.
          The people urgently need to wake up and start thinking, not whining!
      2. tlSver4-KL (tat)
        tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 11: 47
        +10
        I remembered. In the old days, the Japanese took their old men to the mountain and dumped them from there. This is what was to feed the grandchildren. But the Japanese left this, and WE GO!
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 39
          +2
          We think alike. I suggested that they be taken to the taiga.
        2. Lanaozer
          Lanaozer 15 June 2018 14: 46
          +2
          It seems like this was in Sparta, old people and sick children were thrown off a cliff. In Japan, it is unlikely that there is a "cult" of old people ... Quarrel
          And our children, it’s hard to imagine ... I think we ourselves will not wait))
          1. region58
            region58 15 June 2018 23: 53
            0
            Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
            the Japanese took their old men to the mountain

            Quote: Lanaozer
            In Japan, hardly

            1. Lanaozer
              Lanaozer 16 June 2018 00: 54
              0
              Thank. “Ubasute,” already googled. And I’ll definitely watch the film, because this culture passed me by)))
            2. brigadier
              brigadier 16 June 2018 08: 41
              +1
              Strong movie. I watched le 30 back at the cinema. I still remember.

              And they raise the retirement age because there is nothing to pay pensions. All over the world like that. People began to live longer. They don’t especially think that this is due to drugs. That is, a person lives longer, but can no longer work as a young man. Generally can’t. Can sit at home and drink pills from everything. There will be money for this - it will last a long time.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 42
                +4
                I won’t talk about the whole world. But there is something to say about our country. Our country is huge and undeveloped. Mostly backward and degrading infrastructure.
                The lack of industrial DOMESTIC economy, which must be returned.
                We will establish production, we will establish agriculture (not thieves' latifundia of the present). And there will be no problems with pensions. There will be a normal birth rate when there will be where to work for adequate remuneration and when people will know that the right to housing is not a fiction.
                But with the existing social system (in my opinion this is fascist feudalism (clumsy, but essentially true), none of this will happen.
                And the people will have to either grow wiser quickly, or die!
                In the fall of the Duma elections, show your children that you care about them and think about the future of children and grandchildren!
      3. godun
        godun 15 June 2018 12: 04
        +10
        Quote: DRA-75
        Quote: RainTNT
        Anyone who ate the legs of a bush, drank alcohol, and now eats palm oil and cheap sausage, it is unlikely to live to be 65 years old.

        Older workers, even this rubbish will have nothing to buy, because they simply will not take them to work and squeeze them out in every possible way, replacing the young ones .. That's scary! Now the suicide rate among elderly people will increase sharply, they will not be able to be dependents (full and sick) for their children who already live from s / n to s / n ..
        Thank you Dimon, for a brighter future ..

        DAM is not the main thing here, without the approval of the GDP this indecency would not have passed.
      4. Lanaozer
        Lanaozer 15 June 2018 14: 33
        +7
        Agree. The cynicism of our guarantor and his Government goes through the roof. It’s scary to imagine the future if, at the age of 45, chronically ill people for frequent sick leave are fired “through the knee” and forced to write “on their own”. And in employment centers with the two highest, they offer only vacant posts of workers in the urban economy ")).
        This decision of the Government on raising the retirement age of a socially unprotected group of the population in our Russian reality)) automatically falls under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Art. 110 “bringing a person to suicide” or Art. 125 “knowingly leaving without help in a condition dangerous to life or health and depriving them of the opportunity to take measures for self-preservation due to old age, illness or due to their helplessness
      5. Lanaozer
        Lanaozer 15 June 2018 14: 37
        +1
        The cynicism of our guarantor and his Government goes through the roof. It’s scary to imagine the future if, at the age of 45, chronically ill people for frequent sick leave are fired “through the knee” and forced to write “on their own”. And in employment centers with the two highest, they offer only vacant posts of workers in the urban economy ")).
        This decision of the Government on raising the retirement age of a socially unprotected group of the population in our Russian reality)) automatically falls under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Art. 110 “bringing a person to suicide” or Art. 125 “knowingly leaving without help in a condition dangerous to life or health and depriving them of the opportunity to take measures for self-preservation due to old age, illness or due to their helplessness
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 46
          +3
          All actions of our government fall under the definition of genocide of our own people!
          The power in Russia in 2018 is the power of state criminals!
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      6. Bad_santa
        Bad_santa 15 June 2018 18: 32
        +5
        And most likely it will be so that with a retirement age of 7 years, a person will be left without work due to poor health and without a pension by itself. Now, at least for the minimum wage, old people can buy food, but it will be so that in general there will be no money for anything. No job, no pension. As a result, only a few get into the loop.
        P.S. I saw a video where Putin clearly says that with him the retirement age will not rise, so if he is raised now and he remains in power, can he legally be called a liar?
    2. akunin
      akunin 15 June 2018 18: 44
      +4
      Quote: RainTNT
      The one who ate the legs of the bush, drank alcohol roal
      legs ate (thought chicken, were bush smile ) I drank the “piano” (moreover, I drank the “north” - in general polish) I want to live to 65 (there are 2 presidential terms left), so that I could find out if Putin will go for the 7th term?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 47
        0
        I read and thought what brought me to Buckle (Peter), for Muscovites - Kashchenko.
  3. mari.inet
    mari.inet 15 June 2018 07: 33
    +12
    Why grind in vain with the tongue, setting citizens against power? Yes, they once stated that they did not raise their retirement age, but the financial reality and the approaching consequences of the demographic abyss took their toll. Therefore, the retirement age will increase. Smoothly. And the retirement benefit will also increase smoothly. Everything is natural.
    The tale of bad boyars and a good king is already sore. To read about the division of power into good and bad is not comme il faut. There is a power common to Russia. And the authorities know better what financial changes our country needs. You can agree or disagree with these changes, but in the end you have to accept them.
    Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way. People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 June 2018 07: 39
      +43
      The government itself sets citizens against itself. And the portal was created to express its point of view. But nothing will come back to normal with this government and the president.
      1. credo
        credo 15 June 2018 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        The government itself sets citizens against itself. And the portal was created to express its point of view. But nothing will come back to normal with this government and the president.

        I have not heard of such governments that would suit everyone and everyone in any country in the world, so any high-level government official should be ready to take unpopular measures and criticism from the population. This is a given, which a priori rests with a certain burden on any government of any country. Neither V.V. Putni nor D.A. Medvedev is not perfect and I hope that they realize this. The main thing is that their decisions be verified and do no harm to the country and its population. Of course, raising the retirement age will not cause delight and joy for anyone, but apparently something in the budget of the PFR and the country was wrong to decide to start this process 27 years after the collapse of the USSR.
        The question is that "... nothing will come to normal with this government and the president." controversial
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 15 June 2018 14: 57
          +9
          Our government had (and has) enough leverage to rectify the economic situation. It (the government) did not want (or did not dare) to use the methods affecting the upper echelons, but at the same time, the methods that painfully affect every citizen of the country are not shy. a priori burden? Maybe this government would be more honest to resign after signing the inability to make the right decisions?
          1. credo
            credo 15 June 2018 16: 40
            0
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            Our government had (and has) enough leverage to rectify the economic situation. It (the government) did not want (or did not dare) to use the methods affecting the upper echelons, but at the same time, the methods that painfully affect every citizen of the country are not shy. a priori burden? Maybe this government would be more honest to resign after signing the inability to make the right decisions?

            Give examples of the right decisions, except for exotic ones, so that they really influence the changing economic situation in the country.
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 15 June 2018 16: 52
              +5
              If this government does not have them, then what should I bring? Or can the government suggest what decisions should be made, so let them turn. I have them. hi
            2. passing
              passing 15 June 2018 17: 28
              +9
              Give examples of the right decisions, except for exotic ones, so that they really influence the changing economic situation in the country.

              Prohibition of free flow of capital. So that the stolen money is not withdrawn abroad. For example, such as Mintz escaped from 2.5 billion pension money hi
              1. credo
                credo 17 June 2018 12: 09
                0
                Quote: passing
                Give examples of the right decisions, except for exotic ones, so that they really influence the changing economic situation in the country.

                Prohibition of free flow of capital. So that the stolen money is not withdrawn abroad. For example, such as Mintz escaped from 2.5 billion pension money hi

                Well, I offered without the exotic and you again for the old. Your proposal is feasible only if all banks are nationalized by the state with control over any transaction and transfer, or everything remains as it is but will introduce total control over all alleged transactions with their preliminary verification and approval by the state. In general, the same thing and not which Alibaba or other foreign purchases by individuals, and even legal entities even more so.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 49
        +1
        But nothing will come back to normal with this government and the president.

        Sergei! It is now that the people must come back to normal and to the mind, then it will be too late.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 June 2018 07: 53
      +26
      but financial reality
      and who created it?
      This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live.
      So maybe we will return the Soviet Union and will live our own way.
    3. Nonna
      Nonna 15 June 2018 07: 55
      +52
      Quote: mari.inet
      So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.


      Oh, here’s a new training manual from edrosov, the Putin-Medvedev mantra.
      The traitors who seized power in Russia do not have a task for a person to work up to 65. The main thing is NOT to PAY until 65. For an ordinary pensioner gets into the pocket of the offshore servants of the people. Occupational criminal power robs the people under the patriotic mantras of the Guarantor.
      Vlasov invaders have one goal - the genocide of "Remembering the USSR." The anti-Sovietism of the Vlasov-Ederasov (they are “Our Home Russia” black-eyed) is no less, but finer than Bandera's evil spirits, and the goal and attitude are exactly the same - Death to the Soviet people and their memory!
      Rejoice that you did not set a life expectancy of 72 years, and not 100 years, lifting it SUDDENLY from 58 years. Otherwise, I could retire at 70. Imagine "how beneficial it is"

      And if you think of rebelling .. The Russian Guard will suppress all living things, if that ... 1905, "Bloody Sunday" ... with their own hardships ... They kneel down before the tsar because of hopelessness ... and these are former Soviet free people!
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 15 June 2018 08: 47
        +9
        Even if there are no manuals, there is a template. And it is not known what is worse.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 15 June 2018 12: 11
          +13
          And I. Yefremov warned about this at the time. Our greatest scientist = paleontologist and writer of beautiful science fiction novels.
          From diary
          "1969:

          All the destruction of empires, states and other political organizations occurs through the loss of morality.

          This is the only real cause of disasters in history, and therefore, exploring the causes of almost all disasters, we can say that destruction is self-destructive. The incompetence, laziness and playfulness of “boys” and “girls” in any endeavor is a characteristic feature of this very time. I call it an “explosion of immorality,” and it seems to me much more dangerous than nuclear war.

          We can see that since ancient times, morality and honor (in the Russian sense of these words) are much more significant than swords, arrows and elephants, tanks and dive bombers.

          When honest and hard work becomes unusual for all people, what future can humanity expect? Who will be able to feed, dress, heal and transport people? "Dishonorable, what are they now, how can they conduct scientific and medical research?"
          In general, what is described as the planet Tormans and the population divided into KZHI and GI are what all these curls, Medvedevs and others like them are preparing.
          1. Sanreeder
            Sanreeder 18 June 2018 07: 29
            +2
            How right was Ephraim!
            "... An explosion of immorality is much more dangerous than nuclear war ..."
      2. Departure
        Departure 15 June 2018 09: 54
        +13
        The Rosguard will not save, before there was some gendarmerie and everything was demolished. If the people rise, then little will not seem to anyone. It is a pity that the people too.
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 19 June 2018 12: 41
          +1
          The last one to rise almost immediately fell ill, but the authorities made it completely inconsequential - Lef Rokhlin if not right, kick!
    4. Moore
      Moore 15 June 2018 07: 57
      +46
      Dear Marina, I don’t feel like harsh words, I’ll try to get by with soft ones.
      Why grind in vain with the tongue, setting citizens against power?

      If citizens will warmly approve of any, to put it mildly, foul initiative of the authorities, they will no longer be citizens - citizens or slaves, as you like.
      ..financial reality and the approximation of the effects of the demographic abyss have taken their toll

      But what, until recently, no one knew about the abyss? Of course they knew, they just said what was nice to hear.
      Read about the division of power into good and bad - not comme il faut

      Absolutely agree. Good in politics and power are not held.

      And I personally yesterday, in a single outing with all the citizens, was glad that instead of 2023 I would begin to receive an additional to the military pension in 2028. I believe that by this time I will already free our government, "which is more visible," from obligations regarding myself. I’ll do something nice for her.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 15 June 2018 08: 13
        +4
        Quote: Moore
        And I personally yesterday, in a single outing with all the citizens, was glad that instead of 2023 I would begin to receive an additional to the military pension in 2028. I believe that by this time I will already free our government, "which is more visible," from obligations regarding myself. I’ll do something nice for her.

        Here, dear Moore, I agree with you
      2. qQQQ
        qQQQ 15 June 2018 10: 57
        +12
        Quote: Moore
        I believe that by this time I will already free our government, "which is more visible," from obligations regarding myself. I’ll do something nice for her

        I agree that a conscious citizen of our country should “glue the fins” until retirement, so that, firstly, with their life experience they should not be embarrassed by the not strong minds of young patriots, and secondly, not burden the state with their content and treatment.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 June 2018 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Moore
        I believe that by this time I will already free our government, "which is more visible," from obligations regarding myself. I’ll do something nice for her.

        Let it be for you, Andrey. “If black thoughts come to you - uncork a bottle of champagne ...” (A.S. Pushkin) We’ll still wait. Yes For me personally, all this fuss with age is a direct challenge, and I accept it. Therefore, there is a new goal that everyone needs to achieve in spite. But again, this is my purely subjective attitude to the issue, which I do not impose on anyone. And yes, I have a moment (rather, a fad): You will be surprised, but at the moment I consider myself in some way obliged to the state. It is thanks to the participation of the state that for the fourth year now I have my own housing (before that, my whole life was spent in Leningrad communal apartments with a break for a student dormitory), which I purchased without any fucking mortgages. Yes, of course, somewhere lucky, the stars came together, but nevertheless ... Here, at least, an elementary conscience does not allow us to demand something in excess. Yes, I also have a lot of questions for the "upper people", but I will definitely not ask them on this "site". hi
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 53
          +1
          The wind in your back, dear!
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    6. Mart
      15 June 2018 08: 03
      +7
      Quote: mari.inet
      Why waste my tongue in vain, setting citizens against government? Yes, they once said about not raising the retirement age ...


      Redirect your words to those who claimed. After all

      Quote: mari.inet
      authorities know better what financial changes are necessary for our country.
    7. free
      free 15 June 2018 08: 19
      +28
      Quote: mari.inet
      Why grind in vain with the tongue, setting citizens against power? Yes, they once stated that they did not raise their retirement age, but the financial reality and the approaching consequences of the demographic abyss took their toll. Therefore, the retirement age will increase. Smoothly. And the retirement benefit will also increase smoothly. Everything is natural.
      The tale of bad boyars and a good king is already sore. To read about the division of power into good and bad is not comme il faut. There is a power common to Russia. And the authorities know better what financial changes our country needs. You can agree or disagree with these changes, but in the end you have to accept them.
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way. People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      How much do you get paid? Just wondering how much conscience is being sold now.
      1. tank66
        tank66 15 June 2018 10: 58
        +12
        The creatures have no conscience. The throne always has a dirty trick that inexpensively explains the wisdom of the throne holder.
    8. g16.ru
      g16.ru 15 June 2018 08: 40
      +28
      Obviously, any power is fed at the expense of the population of the country that it governs. But at the same time, any normal government takes care of its "feed base" and develops it. Judging by what is happening, the current government and those advising it decided to forget about the project of "great Russia", skim the cream and retire home - otherwise there is no way to explain. No one cuts a chicken that lays golden eggs - at least as long as it hopes to get those same eggs.
      I used to support Putin and thought that I understand where the country is heading. I was wrong.
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 15 June 2018 12: 07
        +5
        and where to go home, without the country of these temporary hijackers, they’ll undress like sticky (Cyprus is an example), and they’ll let or kill them around the world so that they don’t whine - “they robbed us”, if they don’t understand this, there are big doubts about their mental abilities and their prof. suitability
      2. tlSver4-KL (tat)
        tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 12: 09
        0
        g16.ru
        I was wrong too.
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    10. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 15 June 2018 10: 51
      +14
      Marina, to set up or not is a hypothetical question, but there is also a skin, a skin that does not wear out of seats in state Duma and other pleasant places, but from work, say, in the north in harmful conditions ... and I naively believed the state and worked, in the expectation that I’ll receive a pension at 45, you say they’ll not touch these categories, but they will touch because the buns are considered on the basis of the exit rate for everyone - in general, again a fraud. Investing in yourself, taking care of your health - it's all great when there is something to do, I just planned to start from retirement but alas, ah. About the fact that the PF has no money again, I'm sorry, but where did it go? The employer paid ... the government (probably good), so maneuvered that they were not there again. Okay, next, how long is the estimated survival time? That's right - 19 years old ... how long is the average duration for men in the ward? 72? Fine? 72 - 19 = the economy should be economical, and reforms should not worsen the condition of citizens. But what are we talking about “pensions” - their destiny is a happy old age, let’s talk about youth and adolescents, given the care for pensioners who will now not retire until they are brought out ... yes, yes, yes they do not have jobs, but part-time contributions to the Pension Fund will be so insignificant that they won’t allow you to get the right amount of points for acquiring pension rights in the future ... it’s nonsense, but more interestingly, there’s no work - there is no family or there is, but not in this state, labor emigration and loss of able-bodied population and taxes Naturally, for examples, far from it is necessary tiyskie States, Ukraine, Moldova, etc. I am not an economist and I do not pretend to be true, but how Slepakov sings - and what * if yes?
    11. badens1111
      badens1111 15 June 2018 11: 38
      +15
      Quote: mari.inet
      financial reality

      She says that while fat is losing weight, the dead is dying. While the income of the population in 95% of the cases falls, the remaining 5% grow. How else to explain the increase in the number of billionaires of millionaires in dollar terms?
      We are offered to tighten our belts, but it turns out that this proposal has two sides, one simply has a belt loosened by two extra holes, while others have a belt that looks more and more like a noose.
      Thank you Dima, for a happy old age for our old people and a very vague future for young people who have not yet understood what awaits them.
      Quote: mari.inet
      People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal.

      In that case, be kind enough to leave and live in your beloved West.
    12. reservist
      reservist 15 June 2018 11: 57
      +7
      Quote: mari.inet
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way.

      so that it should be, in the country at least ten million new jobs should appear
      probably the VAT rate is being raised for this?
    13. tlSver4-KL (tat)
      tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 12: 07
      +14
      Ay yes Marina !!! Look at how she persuades us, and we, stupid, do not understand that they want good for us. That the demography in the country "got better", that women gave birth to children, of course from the lower layers of the Russian "society". from the bottom itself, where we have moved since 1985. That the health of the people (not the electorate!) Has risen sharply, women under 60 do not get sick, they are so healthy, and men under 65 do not get sick. They can do everything, work for the good of society the only way they can! So, Ms. Marina?
    14. spektr9
      spektr9 15 June 2018 12: 11
      +4
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way.

      Comfort yourself only in the courtyard of the 18th century, look, force the people to go for slaughter to other neighboring sovereigns, seeing that their people live, and not survive ... And that's it, swim across
    15. godun
      godun 15 June 2018 12: 16
      +14
      Quote: mari.inet
      Why grind in vain with the tongue, setting citizens against power? Yes, they once stated that they did not raise their retirement age, but the financial reality and the approaching consequences of the demographic abyss took their toll. Therefore, the retirement age will increase. Smoothly. And the retirement benefit will also increase smoothly. Everything is natural.
      The tale of bad boyars and a good king is already sore. To read about the division of power into good and bad is not comme il faut. There is a power common to Russia. And the authorities know better what financial changes our country needs. You can agree or disagree with these changes, but in the end you have to accept them.
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way. People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      Can you explain why the number of beggars is growing in the country and the number of billions in the accounts of persons close to power is growing, why are all members of bureaucrats families starting from the middle, in the worst case millionaires, and why are there so few billionaires among those removed from power?
      1. godun
        godun 15 June 2018 12: 34
        +2
        The answer to these questions is the essence of our power,
    16. V. Salama
      V. Salama 15 June 2018 12: 25
      +8
      Quote: mari.inet

      1. Why should you grind your tongue in vain ...

      2. And the authorities know best what kind of financial changes our country needs.
      3. Gradually, life will go its way.
      4. ... without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state.
      5. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live.
      6. Everything will change, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      2. Yes, it should be added that the government acts exclusively in the interests of the people and at the same time acts as efficiently as possible.
      3. Right firs in ears, but questions of faith are not discussed.
      4. Interestingly, the state in the matter of improving the welfare of citizens thinks solving any problems? I don’t even speak about responsibility for this, since back in the 90s the “muddy telegaz of Sorokino-Mitkova” was broadcasting: “You don’t have to wait for mercy from the state, it doesn’t owe anything to anyone”. True, someone later claimed that he was responsible for everything, but in reality this responsibility turned out to be extremely selective - in relation to banks and the business of oligarchs - financial assistance from the state budget.
      5. Here it should be added that all these countries are as rich in resources as ours. For persuasiveness.
      6. Yes, yes, I understand that hope always dies last.
      1. Well, we are all here, as if without special benefit here ... Although, maybe someone has their own cash out?
    17. NordUral
      NordUral 15 June 2018 12: 40
      +8
      Woke up, an OPG lawyer. Better watch football.
    18. Guru
      Guru 15 June 2018 12: 57
      +7
      mari.inet (Marina)
      So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      Yes of course. They said to the stall and should get up. Then explain to me Madame, how does a free man differ from?
      This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live.
      Wow ! And announce in Europe about raising gas prices, at least 10 cents. Moreover, due to taxes introduced by the government.
      And that everyone will sit in the kitchens and all-No rallies and protests ???
    19. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 13: 06
      +3
      good drinks hi soldier
      Write ischO !!!! Thin trolling! Pan Sharansky is working for us as a liberalist, and you are for liberals as a patriot! Well done! The main thing is not to follow the patterned methodology of the State Department.
    20. faiver
      faiver 15 June 2018 13: 17
      +2
      Madam, take off your pink glasses ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 16 June 2018 16: 58
        +1
        It’s not this or something else, it’s hard to say, but it’s time for the people not just to take off, but to throw out the pink glasses!
    21. Photon
      Photon 15 June 2018 13: 26
      +9
      If we talk about financial reality, then we will estimate the amount of contributions to the pension fund for our lives, and the pension that they are going to pay us. Where's the money? I see an increase in the number of dollar billionaires in 18 years from 0 to 107. I see the salaries and pensions of ministers, deputies and officials. I thought that at least for the next year, postponing retirement, 168000 were taken out of my pocket.
      And do not panic
    22. Koshak
      Koshak 15 June 2018 17: 16
      +1
      Quote: mari.inet
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way. People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      Remember these words in 10-15 years .. hi
    23. akunin
      akunin 15 June 2018 18: 55
      +5
      Quote: mari.inet Why in vain do you grind with your tongue, setting citizens against power? Yes, they once stated that they did not raise their retirement age, but the financial reality and the approaching consequences of the demographic abyss took their toll. Therefore, the retirement age will increase. Smoothly. And the retirement benefit will also increase smoothly. Everything is natural.
      The tale of bad boyars and a good king is already sore. To read about the division of power into good and bad is not comme il faut. There is a power common to Russia. And the authorities know better what financial changes our country needs. You can agree or disagree with these changes, but in the end you have to accept them.
      Nothing catastrophic will happen. Gradually, life will go its way. People will begin to more closely monitor their health, will abandon bad habits, take life more seriously, without shifting responsibility for themselves and their well-being onto the shoulders of the state. This is how citizens of very, very many countries of the world live. So we will live. Everything will be fine, will return to normal. No need to panic.

      Marina, please specify how old you are and where you work? I suspect that it is still a long way to retirement, but you work in government agencies or close to them, because there is a lot of nihilism, optimism and nonsense (because this cup is bypassing you, but you may have to drink it?))
    24. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 16 June 2018 09: 35
      +3
      With privatization, unemployment, and reformist terrorism, the government itself sets itself up against itself. Who creates “financial reality” in Russia, if not the government? A mobilization economy should be natural, but it does not exist, and there is concern about raising the retirement age — this is a sure sign of the menopause of power.

      Is the power sacred and "Our nationality consists in unlimited devotion and obedience to autocracy"? They caress us in the pre-election periods ...

      “Nothing catastrophic will happen” - whence the confidence that the adaptive capabilities of people are not undermined?

      You are absolutely right in that you do not need to shift "responsibility for yourself and your well-being onto the shoulders of the state." The words - "Every nation has the power that it deserves" - should become the motivator for everyone.
    25. would
      would 17 June 2018 11: 44
      0
      Why grind in vain with the tongue, setting citizens against power?


      I agree! So these liberals, so their scoundrels! Have you thought of telling us about what the government is doing ?! Do you want both in Ukraine ?!

      without shifting responsibility for yourself and your well-being onto the shoulders of the state.


      I fully support your point of view! The deductible taxes do not give any right to these smerds to demand something from the state! 111 Tax deduct, and only medicine, education, etc. pay yourself, there’s nothing to liberalize and demand some kind of responsibility from the state!

      There is a power common to Russia.


      After the phrase about "united power" I realized that reading does not make sense. Even within the framework of a not-so-large company, there is no single power, everyone wants to sit still and confront each other, and here in Russia the power suddenly became one ...
    26. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 20 June 2018 09: 40
      +1
      “without transferring responsibility for oneself and one’s well-being onto the shoulders of the state”

      They say to the defrauded real estate investors that it’s their own fault when all sorts of fake social workers bred pensioners, when realtors cheat on housing, management companies collect payments, and then their heads safely leave for warmer climes, we hear: GUARANTEED FOR YOURSELF, CAREFULLY BE CAREFUL!
      Now you are proposing not to shift yourself and your well-being onto the shoulders of the state, or maybe then answer, WHY DO I SUCH A STATE IF IT only takes money from me in the form of taxes, but DOES NOT FULFILL fulfill its functions of protecting me from thieves and scammers ???
  4. Simon
    Simon 15 June 2018 07: 38
    +7
    Quote: Vard
    My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

    And many then, after the adoption of the law, will not survive to retirement and where will their money go ?! recourse belay
    1. tlSver4-KL (tat)
      tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 12: 16
      +5
      Simon
      Your money will go to offshore, but where else. The Russian government of "people's trust" will take care of the oligarchs: it will arrange for them offshore in Kaliningrad and Vladivostok. So it will be completely safe for them to rob our Russia.
  5. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 15 June 2018 07: 50
    +7
    it is better to introduce the Balkan custom to the government - Lapot - in Russia
    youth will sip their parents with a club - and the problem of pensioners is solved.
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 June 2018 07: 58
    +27
    Well, what a saving! The woman gathered at 55 for retirement, and she was still struggling with self-employment for 8 years, and the government did not sleep, she wanted to catch the self-employed. Well this is what a great financial reality and no need to pay a pension and tax for those who did not become a pensioner.
  7. tasha
    tasha 15 June 2018 08: 08
    0
    The news of raising the retirement age causes so much emotion and controversy ... Since the site format does not support polls, let's find out who is related and from which category ... Something like this

    I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself. I am neutral towards raising the retirement age.

    Who's next?
    1. free
      free 15 June 2018 08: 28
      +22
      Quote: tasha
      The news of raising the retirement age causes so much emotion and controversy ... Since the site format does not support polls, let's find out who is related and from which category ... Something like this

      I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself. I am neutral towards raising the retirement age.

      Who's next?

      But I’m an employee and I have nothing to rely on except retirement, because the salary doesn’t allow me to provide old age on my own. I am so bad at raising my retirement age that I’ve got nowhere worse. And it’s not just about me, there are people besides me who is starvation ready now?
      Write to the editor, they will do a survey.
      1. tlSver4-KL (tat)
        tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 12: 21
        +1
        Free
        It’s a joke, but there is some truth: now they have FINALLY become free.
        1. free
          free 15 June 2018 12: 31
          0
          Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
          Free
          It’s a joke, but there is some truth: now they have FINALLY become free.

          Not understood?
    2. Fox
      Fox 15 June 2018 09: 07
      +18
      Quote: tasha
      I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself. I am neutral towards raising the retirement age.

      it's cool ... only where is the guarantee that the fund, where the deductions go, will not be covered by a "copper basin"? Will he promise?
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 15 June 2018 11: 07
        +6
        They have already covered themselves with a campaign, not only with a copper, but with another organ! The money sailed away somewhere, but Vova writes May decrees! If only I could figure out what is going on in the country
        1. godun
          godun 15 June 2018 12: 39
          +6
          In the course of it, everything is purple in general, maybe he is going to the children for permanent residence.
    3. Alber
      Alber 15 June 2018 11: 55
      +5
      Quote: tasha
      The news of raising the retirement age causes so much emotion and controversy ... Since the site format does not support polls, let's find out who is related and from which category ... Something like this

      I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself. I am neutral towards raising the retirement age.

      Who's next?

      Is it possible to clarify in more detail what kind of entrepreneur, in which area specifically?
      And then one produces, another sells, a third advises, a fourth intermediary ...
      Entrepreneur - Entrepreneur discord
      1. tasha
        tasha 15 June 2018 13: 06
        +1
        Now, alas, I am gradually turning off everything and staying only in the trade ... I got tired, something burned out ...
      2. faiver
        faiver 15 June 2018 13: 23
        0
        Is it possible to clarify in more detail what kind of entrepreneur, in which area specifically?
        - who cares? it’s important that he makes money himself - both he worked and burst, and it doesn’t matter what he makes with his head or hands ... hi
        1. Alber
          Alber 17 June 2018 11: 51
          +3
          Quote: faiver
          what kind of entrepreneur, in which area specifically? - who cares? it is important that he earns himself d


          Big difference! It is one thing if a person produces something useful for the country. Honor and praise be for it!
          But it’s completely different if the trader: in one place he took a cheaper one (stole) in another he sold more expensive, without producing anything. This is a speculator. Mind for this is not much needed ...
          In this way he has accumulated money and is dumping for the cordon.
          This is an un respectable person, they could not stand them in the Soviet era. And the underworld and the cops. The first gutted them, and the second planted
          1. faiver
            faiver 17 June 2018 17: 06
            +1
            forgive me, but your thinking is somehow flawed - the shopkeeper built a store within your walking distance (or rented), he brings the products so you can buy and eat them, he gives jobs to people from several people to tens or even hundreds so that they can earn money, he pays taxes to the budget, and you persuade him with the last words, any work is worthy of respect, so I'm sorry if there is no mind, then you will not take it .... hi
            1. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 21 June 2018 12: 57
              0
              "the shopkeeper built a store within walking distance from you (or rented), he brings products so you can buy and eat them, he gives jobs to people from several people to tens or even hundreds of people so that they can earn money, he pays taxes to the budget "

              Watch the presentation by Elvira Agurbash about our distribution networks and you will understand everything. How good they are and how they charge up to 200%! ATTENTION, KARL TWO INTEREST! And even if he is a private trader, I will never believe that he sells goods cheaper, WHY IF IT IS TAKEN FROM THEM AND TAKEN FROM ME!
              1. faiver
                faiver 22 June 2018 05: 19
                0
                Vladimir, I don’t deal with trade myself, but in difficult times I worked as a supply chain in a couple of small shops, so I know how many shops they wind up and there was neither 200% nor 100% or 50%, I won’t watch your movie, because any journalistic investigation has a customer ... hi
        2. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 20 June 2018 09: 58
          0
          "But what's the difference? It is important that he makes money himself - both he worked and shoveled, and it does not matter how he makes his head or hands ..."

          Oddly, the HUGE difference! One produces the goods, and 10 of them resell it at a total cost! As a result, the manufacturer cannot make ends meet, and the intermediaries are in chocolate!
          1. faiver
            faiver 20 June 2018 11: 48
            0
            As a result, the manufacturer cannot make ends meet, and the intermediaries are in chocolate!
            - I'm sorry, but you write nonsense, if the manufacturer sold his goods, then why can't he make ends meet? then it’s not about intermediaries ...
            Do you buy paint directly at the chemical plant? fishing rods and hooks directly at the manufacturing plant? pants in a knitwear factory? people have been trading for a thousand years
            1. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 21 June 2018 13: 07
              0
              "I'm sorry, but you write nonsense, if the manufacturer sold his goods, then why can’t he make ends meet? then it’s not about intermediaries ..."
              Once again, I propose to see Elvira Agurbash’s presentation, she tells what conditions are put forward by retail chains (deliver goods at cost), and they themselves sell goods with a margin of up to 200%! And I do not agree, we will not take your goods!
              So this is not nonsense, but cruel Russian reality ...
    4. faiver
      faiver 15 June 2018 13: 20
      +8
      I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself.
      - similarly, but I have a negative attitude towards raising the retirement age, because I live among people and see what happens ... hi
    5. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 13: 26
      +13
      I am an engineer, 47 years old, sn 37000 in the region zamkadye76. My gentleman-director pays a white salary (conscious), essno taxes go all that is due and deductions in pension. fund. I do not count on retirement, you can only postpone this salary for Chinese watches. Father died at 72 a doctor, did not drink, did not smoke. I, too, do not expect to lend more, but in this situation I don’t want to. I would not want cancer. Better send to Syria, while I can still run. Better there.
      1. topwtopw
        topwtopw 16 June 2018 01: 19
        +6
        In! I also think that in Syria or in the Donbass everything is clear - what, for what, why and why. It only turns out that it’s possible to die for the Motherland, but there’s no way to live for the Motherland, only to survive on your own and store the additional product in a feeder, from where those who are going to live for a very long time champ and swallow. They postponed the retirement age for a long time ...
  8. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 08: 22
    +22
    Well? Another 100500 times to call the king and the boyars used latex? This is already clear even to ardent Zaputinians, who are finally beginning to see through the pink glasses of Putinism. Yesterday, even Mikheev and Solovyov, the mouthpieces of the Kremlin, on Youtube covered the last words of the “economists” from the Government. As Mikheev says, what kind of strategy is this stupidly fumbling in the people's pocket and being called at the same time doctors of economic sciences? Then some Al Capone was probably an academician in economics in comparison with Kudrin. In addition to selecting, he also invested on a large scale in drugs, in prostitution, in construction, in buying up stolen goods, in bribing officials and the police, and much more, including container shipping.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 15 June 2018 08: 43
      +12
      In addition to selecting, he also invested on a large scale in drugs, in prostitution, in construction, in buying up stolen goods, in bribing officials and the police, and much more, including container shipping.

      Are you talking about the modern Russian "oligarch"?
    2. godun
      godun 15 June 2018 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Well? Another 100500 times to call the king and the boyars used latex? This is already clear even to ardent Zaputinians, who are finally beginning to see through the pink glasses of Putinism. Yesterday, even Mikheev and Solovyov, the mouthpieces of the Kremlin, on Youtube covered the last words of the “economists” from the Government. As Mikheev says, what kind of strategy is this stupidly fumbling in the people's pocket and being called at the same time doctors of economic sciences? Then some Al Capone was probably an academician in economics in comparison with Kudrin. In addition to selecting, he also invested on a large scale in drugs, in prostitution, in construction, in buying up stolen goods, in bribing officials and the police, and much more, including container shipping.

      Or maybe another mnogoghodovochka, he will lead with angry eyes and abolish anti-people’s law and again popular love.
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 13: 28
      +7
      Quote: Altona
      In addition to selecting, he also invested on a large scale in drugs, in prostitution, in construction, in buying up stolen goods, in bribing officials and the police, and much more, including container shipping.

      How do you know that members of the government do not? laughing
  9. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 08: 24
    +16
    Quote: tasha
    I am an individual entrepreneur. I make mandatory contributions to the PF. I’m not counting on a state pension, I hope to secure my old age myself. I am neutral towards raising the retirement age.

    -------------------------
    Well done you. Only your Protestant self-confidence is easily broken by another “monetary” reform, like in 1991 or another “inflation targeting”. And then sit yourself on the bag of your candy wrappers.
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 June 2018 08: 29
      +1
      For you, a secured old age is a bag of candy wrappers? Look at the world wider ... wink

      By the way, what category will you be from, if not a secret ...
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 15 June 2018 09: 51
        +15
        This “innovation” will affect, first of all, the so-called “honest” citizens who live on a simple, wage-to-pay basis, who have been credited “I can’t do it at all”, who don’t have and never will have an “extra penny” to put off for old age. The rest: officials with high salaries - for a long time already, millionaires for a long time, as well as entrepreneurs who own medium-sized hands and above - they generally spit on “retirement” they put a lemon bucks somewhere, buy securities or invest in funds, or buy real estate for subsequent sale ... There, the owner of our company said yesterday about pensions: "Fi ... that I’m pennies ... Every day I spend several times more than the average monthly pension in Russia. And I’m going to spend the same amount old age, if health allows. I do not care, generally on this "pension" ....
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 June 2018 09: 58
          +2
          so-called honest citizens who live without pay from paycheck to paycheck, I can’t get on credit

          Perhaps you are right. Just imagine a citizen who is sent to retirement, which is less than a salary ....
          1. tlSver4-KL (tat)
            tlSver4-KL (tat) 15 June 2018 12: 28
            +9
            And what to do "citizens" who have no work and are not expected?
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 15 June 2018 13: 33
              +7
              I wrote above that it is necessary to take an example from the non-brothers - to stir up a thread of the ATO with mobilization and disposal. Although we are not brothers, we are just twins regarding anti-people. And there are enemies. They have a damned Russia, we have a damned USA. The standard of living and propaganda are about the same.
  10. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 08: 25
    +10
    Quote: Simon
    And many then, after the adoption of the law, will not survive to retirement and where will their money go ?!

    --------------------
    How to where? Vekselberg’s pocket. Who did not survive, the Government is not to blame. You die today, and tomorrow we have such a principle.
  11. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 08: 33
    +13
    Quote: tasha
    For you, a secured old age is a bag of candy wrappers? Look at the world wider ...

    ----------------------------------------
    Clearly, you are Diogenes and live in a barrel. It’s not about a secured old age with a bag of candy wrappers, but about getting a decent old-age allowance, which you will have enough for food, a communal flat and medicines. And now your "bag of money" can easily turn into dust, we are talking about it. That is, you supposedly saved up on your old age and supposedly you do not need a pension. Or do not you understand what I'm talking about?
    PS What do you care what category I'm from? I wrote many times who I am and what I even posted a photo of my apartment. I live better than many, even those who supposedly make a lot of money and make good money.
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 June 2018 08: 42
      +5
      Hmm ... You, in the pursuit of the number of comments, do not have time to think about what you read .. Well, okay ...
  12. BAI
    BAI 15 June 2018 09: 14
    +5
    After all, Medvedev made it clear: there will be a thousand-year increase in pension every year.

    So, after all, Putin made it clear that there would be no increase in age.
  13. Palagecha
    Palagecha 15 June 2018 09: 18
    +23
    Only the full one can believe Yeltsin’s protege, who from a communist and atheist has become a believing capitalist, disgracing the rank of officer and clinging to power at all costs, spitting on his country and voters. It has become impossible to live in the country, worse every day ...
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 June 2018 09: 20
    +15
    The state and local authorities MUST give work to all people. The country, in addition to large cities, is dying and degrading. Wake up people!
    1. DVTamga
      DVTamga 15 June 2018 10: 43
      +6
      Sorry, but no one owes anything to anyone. We are (at least declare that we have) capitalism. In capitalism, you can buy if you have anything. And you can relax. This is your sovereign right. No one owes or owes you anything. The fact that, as you say, the country is dying, is the sovereign right of the country.
  15. DVTamga
    DVTamga 15 June 2018 10: 39
    +15
    They chose, trusted ..... and the Russians under the breath and VAT on top of the cumpole. Somehow everything turns out wrong. Not humanly. America and Europe taken together did not do as much damage to the Russians immediately as this government. And I thought that the country has a chance. Most likely it was ..... T_ v_ a_ p_ and.
  16. Prutkov
    Prutkov 15 June 2018 10: 49
    +6
    Reading all these indignant remarks and articles, I understand that the Russians have not gone far from the Ukrainians. Oh, how you want freebies! And salaries as in Europe, and social guarantees as in the Soviet Union. Guys, you are dear to the Maidan. There everyone is given lace trunks, though mostly used earpieces. Otherwise, you are 27 years late. Yes, and the USSR was not able to pull the entire social network. Yes. Question to the author. I did not see the retirement period and the pension itself in SOCIALIST CHINA in the table. Do you still want to be a superpower? Under Stalin, the superpower was built by hungry and evil winners.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 15 June 2018 11: 08
      +29
      Quote: Rods
      Oh, how you want freebies!

      Oh how! Retired, it turns out, freeloaders! And, the desire to live a decent freebie. And, for me, the government freeloaders, once for a freebie want to once again "cut down" the workers.
      Your Maidan is a coup committed by the hands of Bandera. Who paid, distributed cookies and patronized them did not forget? None of the organizers set the goal of prosperity in Ukraine.
      Quote: Rods
      Under Stalin, the superpower was built by hungry and evil winners.

      And they built it. Because the great goal was.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 11: 15
      +21
      Quote: Rods
      Do you still want to be a superpower? Under Stalin, the superpower was built by hungry and evil winners.

      And you do not confuse warm with soft. To begin with, the authorities need to become like Stalin, demolish it ... e “elzer center” does not drape the mausoleum, begin to shoot officials, execute traitors who fled abroad. And ideology should not be a liberal burp of the West. A lot of things should be. And do not forget about the "hungry and evil winners." That is, you must first win the war. Civil. What are we going to? And here you scare Maidan. We ourselves shouted that we are one people? So there are no differences either in human material or in the elite. It’s just that the country 404 ALREADY Lied under the United States and its ilk, and the RF STILL CONSIDERS the conditions as and when it will lie.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 June 2018 11: 43
      +5
      Quote: Rods
      I did not see the retirement period and the pension itself in SOCIALIST CHINA in the table.

      In what other table? (the author is not me). Well, in China, too, there is talk of raising the age of release. While there, like ours.
      Quote: Rods
      Oh, how you want freebies!

      Not freebies, but normal work.
    4. topwtopw
      topwtopw 16 June 2018 01: 28
      +6
      Not freebies. And the factories, damn it, where they pay at least the average salary in the country, as it counts. And then, on average, it looks good, but you really can’t get a job for more than 10 thousand. The deputy is meat, all the rest - cabbage. On average, all eat cabbage rolls.
    5. would
      would 17 June 2018 11: 53
      +3
      It turns out that when a person demands what he paid for, he is a "freeloader". An employee settled on a white salary constantly gave the state money under certain conditions. And when the state dramatically changed these conditions and pocketed money for itself, the employee became a freeloader. Chic logic, European.

      I did not see the retirement period and the pension itself in SOCIALIST CHINA in the table.


      How has a purely capitalist China with the right of private ownership of the means of production in you become socialist, that is, with a public right to the means of production?
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 17 June 2018 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: rait
        capitalist China

        Why did you suddenly become PRC capitalist? Dogmatists ...
        Who told you that under socialism everything should be state-controlled, Trotsky and Khrushchev? Well, how, events 90 didn’t teach you anything? The Chinese leadership turned out to be much smarter, first they spread their remodelers on the Tiananmen. Then they drew up the Country Development Program. Not bad for them it turns out ..
        1. would
          would 17 June 2018 12: 05
          0
          Who said? Well, for example, the oldest encyclopedia - Britannica

          Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.


          Capitalism, also called free market economy or free enterprise economy, economic system, dominant in the Western world since the breakup of feudalism, in which most of the means of production are privately owned and production is guided and income distributed largely through the operation of markets .


          Then you can see what Marx and Engels wrote, how they understood what capitalism is and what socialism is, respectively. And you can refer to a certain “event 90” as much as you like, this will not change the universally accepted terms.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 17 June 2018 12: 49
            +1
            Quote: rait
            Well, for example, the oldest encyclopedia - Britannica

            And I have to believe the British, known to the whole world as liars? Do you still believe in the Skripals case, for sure there will be a tremendous article in this encyclopia ...
            And what should I read from Marx and Engels in confirmation of British nonsense about China?
            It seems to me that you are some kind of Marxist who should be called a Marxist, because you yourself don’t understand anything about what is written there and turn everything that is written there into dogma, not understanding the simplest fact-1 part of Capital, which explains what has been done and is being done , and all other arguments on the topic that socialism is possible only in Europe and only after the phase of capitalism, the delusions of these people.
            You didn’t have enough time to understand. To understand that this whole whistle, in the manner of back to Marx, has already destroyed our country in the 90s, and you all dance to this tune.
            It’s not for nothing that your Marxists, with such brutality, pounce on what Lenin and Stalin did.
            Well, at least in China, nobody listens to you, Marxists ..
            1. would
              would 17 June 2018 13: 33
              0
              Well, as we see, there is essentially nothing to argue with, but for the sake of importance they have mixed everything on the heap, it is good that the Maidan and the State Department have not yet been mentioned. Don't like the world-famous Britannica? Was it written by those who poisoned the Skripals and made the 90s in Russia? No problem, let's open the Great Soviet Encyclopedia

              Oh!

              Socialism (French. Socialisme, from lat. Socialis - public), 1) the first phase of the communist formation. The economic basis of socialism constitutes public ownership of the means of production, the political basis is the power of the working masses with the leading role of the working class led by the Marxist-Leninist party; Socialism is a social system, precluding exploitation of man by man and systematically developing in the interests of improving the well-being of the people and the comprehensive development of each member of society.


              And here the Englishwoman spoiled ?! lol

              Socialism Eliminates Private Property and the exploitation of man by man, eliminates antagonisms in social development, fundamentally changes the nature and purpose of economic progress. “The goal of socialism is the fuller satisfaction of the growing material and cultural needs of the people through the continuous development and improvement of social production” (CPSU Program, 1976, p. fifteen)


              Oh my God !! 111 The CPSU itself, the holy of holies ...
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 17 June 2018 13: 46
                +1
                Quote: rait
                Socialism constitutes public ownership of the means of production, the political basis is the power of the working masses under the leadership of the working class, led by the Marxist-Leninist party; Socialism is a social system that excludes the exploitation of man by man and is systematically developing in the interests of increasing the welfare of the people and the comprehensive development of each member of society.

                And?
                You brought what? You brought the DOGMAT. But who told you that socialism is just that and no other? Have you not been taught that socialism is a transitional stage and features including capitalism will be guessed in its development?
                Quote: rait
                Socialism eliminates private property and the exploitation of man by man, eliminates antagonisms in social development, fundamentally changes the nature and purpose of economic progress. “The goal of socialism is the fuller satisfaction of the growing material and cultural needs of the people through the continuous development and improvement of social production” (Program of the CPSU, 1976, p. 15)

                And this is what you are doing, again the dogma of the Suslovsky agitprop, which has shown in reality what leads to dogmatism-necrosis, alienation, and ultimately to the collapse of the country.
                Are you still able to object?
                Quote: rait
                Oh my God !! 111 The CPSU itself, the holy of holies ...

                Yes, yes .. it’s not only I who repeat the dogma of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. From which people like you came out, and those who brought down the country in 90. What did you want to say?
                Learn, a dogmatist.
                http://rusrand.ru/analytics/sovetskaja-i-kitajska
                ja-modeli-sotsializma-vzgljad-iz-kitaja
                1. would
                  would 17 June 2018 14: 16
                  +2
                  Well, and what was required to prove, you called the communist ideology and its entire basis "dogmas" and even steeper, "the Suslov agitprop." Well, what remains for you if you cannot answer something essentially?

                  showing in reality what leads dogmatism-necrosis, alienation and ultimately to the collapse of the country.


                  And don’t say, they won the Great Patriotic War against a united Europe, they launched the first artificial satellite, the first launched a person into space, hundreds of millions of families continue to live in apartments built by the very Communists who believed in the very dogmas, and after that they were given free, etc., etc. . Death, alienation, collapse of the country, not otherwise.

                  Actually, judging by what kind of nonsense you are, you are one of those "communists" who are actually burnt capitalists, but they prove to everyone that the dictatorship of capital = communism or in our case socialism. Well, as in China, where you have socialism, and whose Foxconn is owned by a private person (and part-time billionaire) children work, it is by no means an 8-hour work day and records are set for suicides among workers. Well, here is the obvious socialism, a special Chinese way, not otherwise, we do not understand the scoops. Well, the fact that some Stalin and Lenin came up with it, Marx and Engels are all “dogmas” and “agitprop”. Only I have one simple question: Why did people like you ruin and plunder the country, and Stalin and others like him, leaving it with a plow, left with a nuclear bomb?
  17. security guard
    security guard 15 June 2018 10: 56
    +11
    The old people simply will not find work, now they look at the forty-year-olds too, and they will die out quietly. local population replacement program in action;)
    1. tlSver4-KL (tat)
      tlSver4-KL (tat) 16 June 2018 08: 58
      +4
      You are right, Andrey. So many Kyrgyz and Tajiks have been brought into the Russian Federation that there simply is no work for the “local”.
      And in order to raise the bar for retirement, we must offer people jobs, BUILD factories.
      Otherwise, what the eternal Medvedev and the Governing country Kudrin suggested is insanity.
  18. Kent0001
    Kent0001 15 June 2018 11: 00
    +13
    The first such article is where there are no midtones in relation to the Most Serene and Co. I’m afraid that after the next 6 years in power of this team, Russia will return to the level that Putin once started from ...... and it’s a pity. But we will have no other, since everything is in defense of the oligarchs, everything is to help the oligarchs.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 11: 32
      +10
      Quote: Kent0001
      since everything is in defense of the oligarchs, everything is to help the oligarchs.

      They are "equidistant" but not far. Let us not forget who, when and how this power was established and what system in our country. So expect some concessions from our peripheral-colonial-raw-material capitalism. Rather, from a village needs place from a hole in the floor will smell lilies of the valley.
  19. shura7782
    shura7782 15 June 2018 11: 04
    +14
    Here it is the promised fabulous economic breakthrough (throw, sachet) of Putin's government. Apparently for more they lack imagination.
    Everything is exhausted.
    1. Best wishes
      Best wishes 15 June 2018 13: 04
      +3
      Launch Putin and Dimon on Mars ♂
  20. lukewarm
    lukewarm 15 June 2018 11: 05
    +18
    Whatever the word is in the goal. I begin to understand the true meaning of the phrase "Patriotism is the last refuge of villains." Patriotism has nothing to do with it. But the villains in the government and the Duma, well, and ... (no, no, it can't be) all patriots. I sincerely believe that only war will help them in this situation. At first, the unemployed are not needed yet, then they are no longer needed, but do not count on retirement. It remains to rob. There is nowhere to earn money, to steal - too, for this officials seated thick asses everywhere. Option for Moscow Region - together with the pension, raise the age of the contract to 50! Then I still have time somewhere heroically or not really die. Well, or open Wagner Plus LLC and let us into Syria. For to live in this "country of the winner" is simply scary. Alas...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 15 June 2018 11: 39
      +7
      Well, so the "head" of the government has repeatedly expressed itself in the sense that the Russian population does not meet its "purpose": it is too "lazy", "thumps," "uninitiated" and so on, and it is desirable to replace it with "hardworking", "more managed "," less whimsical "," unbalanced "Chinese, who are already accustomed to the lack of a pension system in general ...
  21. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 June 2018 11: 22
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: Vard
    My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

    My retirement retired for five years. Our government would think about retiring due to health reasons. Not everyone will be able to work, even until 60 years.

    Dear. For health reasons, those who have a hairy paw leave.
  22. Pavil144
    Pavil144 15 June 2018 11: 30
    +1
    We will swell, swell, and reconcile, but the sediment will remain.
  23. GUKTU76
    GUKTU76 15 June 2018 11: 32
    +1
    Quote: Rods
    Reading all these indignant remarks and articles, I understand that the Russians have not gone far from the Ukrainians.

    There are enough of them in any country. The main thing is that the proportion of such individuals in our society should not exceed thirty percent. In Ukraine, their number exceeded the permissible limits.
    In general, to understand where we are going, it is enough to assess the situation in those countries to the level of which we are striving. And to understand that we will also have high prices for housing, communal services and health. Retirement age will increase and taxes will increase. And treat this as an inevitable prospect. As they say, for which they fought ...
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 16: 20
      +4
      Quote: GUKTU76
      The main thing is that the proportion of such individuals in our society should not exceed thirty percent.

      I am specifically in this matter also from "these individuals", which should not be more than 30% (where did they just get it from?). Such measures, coupled with higher prices, the destruction of medicine, etc. ruling clique of course increases the percentage of dissatisfied. At the same time, the social composition is no longer creative maidanutye European integrators, but simple hard workers. Most likely they rejoiced in the Crimea, the Olympics and "getting up from their knees." We just did not understand that while one Russia allegedly rose from its knees, the other just fell.
      Quote: GUKTU76
      In general, to understand where we are going,

      Yes, they understood a long time ago, the route does not suit.
      Quote: GUKTU76
      As they say, for which they fought ..

      Have you ever fought? Since 1987, everything has become clear to me since the first cooperators.
  24. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 June 2018 11: 42
    +12
    This law will be adopted, I have no doubt a single gram. But the fact that all pensioners had different jobs is a fact. I'm already retired. But from
    I don’t feel like such laws either. I plowed for 43,5 years, but retired at 66,5. I get 600 rubles for the length of service. And I’m thinking
    there’s such a smart guy and he’ll say, “And what does he get 600 rubles for? He didn’t finish it under the new law One and a half years”
    Let him sit on his pension of 14,5 thousand rubles. "And before the increase of one thousand rubles, I may not hold out, although these promises
    I stopped believing a long time ago.
  25. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 15 June 2018 11: 46
    +16
    Quote: Rods
    Reading all these indignant remarks and articles, I understand that the Russians have not gone far from the Ukrainians. Oh, how you want freebies! And salaries as in Europe, and social guarantees as in the Soviet Union. Guys, you are dear to the Maidan. There everyone is given lace trunks, though mostly used earpieces. Otherwise, you are 27 years late. Yes, and the USSR was not able to pull the entire social network. Yes. Question to the author. I did not see the retirement period and the pension itself in SOCIALIST CHINA in the table. Do you still want to be a superpower? Under Stalin, the superpower was built by hungry and evil winners.

    You have beguiled the coast. It is precisely the HALAWERS who sit in the government and decide everything at the expense of working poor citizens.
  26. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 12: 16
    +6
    Quote: tasha
    Hmm ... You, in the pursuit of the number of comments, do not have time to think about what you read .. Well, okay ...

    -----------------------
    You decipher your thought. And then speak in riddles. I cannot endlessly ponder the meaning of your three words and write extensive comments on them. Then you will pull out three words from my comments and combine from them some thoughts that I did not put into these words. We have here a number of such commentators. I spoke about elementary things, not spiritual things, so that a person would have something to buy a piece of bread in old age when there is no strength or health.
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 June 2018 13: 19
      0
      I decipher - you write a lot of comments without understanding what they are talking about ... Based on your picture of the world in which secured old age is a bag of money on which someone is sitting, or a allowance that is enough for medicines, food and so on ... Why should I get in and change your picture of the world?

      However, here, if you please, only one of the examples. Before acquiring my retirement, one of my acquaintances took care of the house in the village, spread geese, ducks, rabbits, was engaged in beekeeping and beds.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 15 June 2018 13: 34
        +6
        Quote: tasha
        is it a bag of money on which someone is sitting, or a benefit that is enough for medicines, food, and so on ... Why should I get in trouble and change your picture of the world?

        You attribute your understanding to others .. Can you explain why the level of pensions in Russia is two times lower than even in the impoverished Baltic states, not to mention Europe and other foreign countries in general? Can it be something else?
        Quote: tasha
        Before acquiring my retirement, one of my acquaintances took care of the house in the village, spread geese, ducks, rabbits, was engaged in beekeeping and beds .. He was cheerful, cheerful, and he wasn’t offended by money ....

        And this friend of yours, before retiring, what was his income?
        If you are so versed in this matter, then consider, please be so kind as to equip a poultry house for at least one hundred chicken rabbits for one hundred individuals, and feed consumption per day (month), with the expenditure of money for their purchase.
        Whatever you say about the happiness of a small-scale farmer, I’ll remind you that keeping chickens, pigs, rabbits, and even cattle is beneficial if you have a share in a former collective farm and you are given grain / hay for this share. If you do not have this, there is no side income, fly into the pipe .. and the end to all your delights from the house in the village ..
        The only income more or less is beekeeping, and, more recently, in this area, after GMO-sunflower and other things are sown in the fields, the bees are pretty dead, and buying a family of bees costs a pretty penny ..
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 June 2018 13: 47
          0
          You attribute to others your understanding.

          Stop stop. Read the comments of my opponent and then draw conclusions.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 15 June 2018 14: 42
            +1
            Quote: tasha
            Read the comments of my opponent and then draw conclusions.

            And I read. And I know what I'm talking about.
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 June 2018 14: 53
              0
              You think you know. I think you're wrong. We are thinking people, with which I congratulate you ... wink
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 June 2018 16: 31
                0
                Quote: tasha
                I think you're wrong.

                You think so, but I know what all this costs.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 15 June 2018 17: 29
                  0
                  In your presentation, it looks like "I do not think - I know." However, I am happy for you anyway ...
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 16 June 2018 16: 19
                    0
                    Is this your self portrait?
                    Quote: tasha
                    anyway
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 16 June 2018 16: 22
                      0
                      That’s stupid. Not expected...
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 16 June 2018 17: 33
                        0
                        Quote: tasha
                        . Not expected...

                        So I did not expect. Why demotivators and attribution of what I did not say?
      2. lukewarm
        lukewarm 15 June 2018 16: 28
        +6
        A small amendment (mainly supported you in this thread)
        Quote: tasha
        He took care of the house in the village, spread geese, ducks, rabbits, engaged in beekeeping and beds .. He was cheerful, cheerful, and not offended by money ....

        For a house in the village you need to be a non-poor person and before retirement. What to do to people easier? Pension, whatever one may say, is still the "fall of life." Will there be enough vivacity and fun for liveliness and beds for a long time? Well, if from the garden - to the morgue, and if you still live sick and weak for a miserable benefit, called a pension?
        1. tasha
          tasha 15 June 2018 17: 25
          0
          Everything is relative. Just offhand, in the Novosibirsk region, a cottage ready to live with a plot of 12 acres (looked at Avito) - 600 thousand rubles ... And if not a cottage and away from the city? My neighbor's mother-in-law lives alone (!) In a three-room apartment and is indignant at the size of utilities ...

          How long will it last? I will share the observation - as soon as old people enter the city - they burn like candles ... Why?
          About the sick and the weak, yes you are, undoubtedly right .. There are no children and grandchildren who come to the rescue and take care - nothing ..

          For a long time in my head the thought spins - to build a village for the elderly. It’s kind of a nursing home, but not a box, but houses or a townhouse type ... With central heating, water supply, a small plot of peas ... So that doctors go around every day, so helpers come ... But there are too many pitfalls I see ... Nobody will agree to invest money in this project, they are afraid, this is one of only ...
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 15 June 2018 17: 38
            +4
            Quote: tasha
            For a long time in my head the thought spins - to build a village for the elderly. It’s kind of a nursing home, but not a box, but houses or a townhouse type ... With central heating, water supply, a small plot of peas ... So that doctors go around every day, so helpers come ... But there are too many pitfalls I see ...

            One, not even a stone, but a whirlpool, which will simply drag out all your efforts and wash away the system built from 90. If it is necessary to carry out simple cottages, according to the Law,
            electricity, gas, water, but what are the prices for connecting ?? Pensioners simply don’t have that kind of money, and cottage villages like Rublevka are a completely different type of mind and life, having nothing to do with how ordinary people live.
            Example? From b / y poles, a decommissioned transformer, for services, one and a half km of network and connection, you need to collect 2 million rubles — who are able to retire from 9 to 15 thousand from pensioners, even to collect such money? not to mention the attempts to tax almost to the toilet on the site .. Yes, people are already throwing everything, because they do not pull all these requisitions .. This is the Stavropol Territory ..
            There are “successful” examples when Madame, who worked in the North and invested her trillion p, ten years ago, spent, light and gas, everyone now bow to her for connection .. But where is the help from the state? But she is not.
            A colleague, spits, his son and wife, already in the suburbs, bought a summer house, or rather a plot, are being built. For connection. Just 50 meters to the transformer and 75 to the gas distributor-1 million 700 thousand, what is this ??
            1. tasha
              tasha 15 June 2018 18: 05
              0
              You think everything is right .. But a little bit wrong ..
              And I would argue with you, but I don’t want to, I’m tired of something .. I’m thesis, okay?
              Townhouse. Plot no more than 3 ares. Apartment no more than 50 sq.m. However, it is possible and two floors, then 100. What do you think will be the cost per sqm? We don’t count the earth yet ...
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 16 June 2018 16: 20
                0
                Quote: tasha
                What do you think will be the cost per sqm?

                Not lower than 30 thousand per meter, unless you build out of garbage.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 16 June 2018 16: 24
                  0
                  Building technology is changing. Frame housing, foam and gas concrete ...
                  Let 30. What do you want to convince me of?
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 16 June 2018 16: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: tasha
                    Let 30. What do you want to convince me of?

                    You asked a question, you were given an answer.
                    If you don’t understand, I’ll add, NO pensioner is able to buy your house, unless it is a pension from the assessors in the State Duma and a senior official, but they have different motives, different desires and other houses.
                    And what you offer .. it is understood that anyone who buys for such a house will spread for his rent, his entire and already not great pension, as is already practiced in some institutions ..
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 16 June 2018 16: 35
                      0
                      Well, here we are ...
                      I wrote: But I see too many pitfalls ... Nobody will agree to invest money in this project, they are afraid, this is one of only ...
                      You are not right......
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 16 June 2018 17: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: tasha
                        You are not right

                        Not so wrong. He described not just one of the reefs in the maelstrom, but also what good intentions sometimes lead to ..
                        Here we are fighting in our SOT with a neighbor, we either need to fix the road, or we need to repair the water supply system, so it seems like few people need it besides us ... that there is no money ... then the answer is, they don’t come to me by car, I don’t need a road for nothing. Something like this ..
  27. Wolverine
    Wolverine 15 June 2018 12: 23
    +6
    Quote: Vard
    My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...


    This is true, the campaign is expected that the people will quit again and will be asked to pay in black envelopes so as not to feed the freaks from the pension fund since a little bit will survive until 65 years old ...
  28. freddyk
    freddyk 15 June 2018 12: 32
    +13
    I have only one question, men
    Where were you all before the election?
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 15 June 2018 14: 55
      +1
      And what was the choice?
    2. faiver
      faiver 15 June 2018 15: 12
      +4
      I officially inform you - I have never voted for the radiant ... hi
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 16: 31
      +2
      They did not vote for the "sun of the nation", as well as for the dog (with the pope of which the GUARANTOR was so friendly). They didn’t go to Navalny, paving stones on the pavements were not dismantled. We repent ...
  29. Freeman
    Freeman 15 June 2018 12: 40
    +2
    Already posted this link. So the question is - Has anyone signed up or will we whine on the forum?
    https://www.change.org/p/не-повышать-пенсионный-в
    age

    / Copy the link. Paste in the browser bar. Delete the “space” in the word “age” between “in” and “about”. Press enter. Register and sign up. /
    Threat. Admins! When do you allow users to embed "active" links?
    1. passing
      passing 15 June 2018 17: 56
      +3
      Already posted this link. So the question is - Has anyone signed up or will we whine on the forum?

      What will it change?
      The government does not have enough intelligence, and the desire to work differently, only to get money from the poor and give to the rich. Robin Hoods, M.L.
      I suppose Putin can slow down this law for a while, but introduce it by the end of his term
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 16 June 2018 00: 40
        +2
        Quote: passing
        Already posted this link. So the question is - Has anyone signed up or will we whine on the forum?

        What will it change?

        If you continue to be silent, then nothing will change.
        And there you can enter a 12-hour working day - after all, many "recycle" anyway, which means they agree to work more. Prokhorov has already suggested.
        So that? Silent further?
    2. would
      would 17 June 2018 11: 56
      +1
      Your link is equivalent to "whining on the forum" because change.org was not recognized and is not recognized by the state structures of Russia. With the same success, you can file a complaint with the Limpopo court.

      If you sign something, then at the ROI, the existence of which our state recognizes. There will at least be a negative answer as it has been more than once or twice, not a single initiative has passed through the ROI.
  30. Andrey Konev
    Andrey Konev 15 June 2018 12: 52
    +10
    Retirement money is never enough. Where do they come from if they come from tax payments from the pocket of the employer for each employee. If the employee's salary is 10000 rubles, then you will have to pay the same amount on top of deductions. And employers, in addition, owe a lot of payments, plus their expenses for mandatory payments. We have to look for workarounds to reduce the load. As a result, minimal deductions or not at all go to retirement. And tax burdens only increase. It is easy to understand that there will never be enough money for pensioners. And here is a great idea. Raise the retirement age so that as few people as possible survive to retirement. Then this meager pension budget will definitely be enough for the remaining ones. It is better to raise the retirement age to one hundred years. Then there will definitely be no problems. Medvedev's Nobel Prize for a brilliant invention. Well, the other members of the medal.
    Especially for retirement at 7000 rubles. You can live only three or four days. All the same, one will have to work in retirement in order to survive. And since everyone is working anyway, then the pension is not needed. As Siluyanov kind of said. Iron logic. But in foreign policy, everything is cool.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 15 June 2018 13: 39
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Konev
      But in foreign policy, everything is cool.

      Forgot to insert "they tell us" before "everything"
  31. Earnest
    Earnest 15 June 2018 13: 00
    +10
    Quote: Dr_Engie
    If this is not enough in your large cities - your problems, but in the province it is VERY much.

    Lot? 1000 per year - a lot ?? 1000: 12 = 83 rubles 33 pennies ... Wouldn’t be too big for this money
  32. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 13: 02
    +7
    Quote: Rods
    Reading all these indignant remarks and articles, I understand that the Russians have not gone far from the Ukrainians. Oh, how you want freebies! And salaries as in Europe, and social guarantees as in the Soviet Union. Guys, you are dear to the Maidan. There everyone is given lace trunks, though mostly used earpieces. Otherwise, you are 27 years late. Yes, and the USSR was not able to pull the entire social network.

    -------------------------------
    Why immediately arrange the Maidan? And we don’t ask the Government for anything, we don’t shout “get the panda”. Let ours not select, we all transfer contributions to the Pension Fund. So the comparison is incorrect.
  33. Earnest
    Earnest 15 June 2018 13: 14
    +15
    Quote: Rods
    ... I did not see the retirement period and the pension itself in SOCIALIST CHINA in the table.

    And let me show you personal income tax in China, for income in a MONTH

    For convenience, I have already converted to rubles at the exchange rate for 15.06.18.
    And VAT in the PRC has DECREASED to 16%.
    Quote: Rods
    Do you still want to be a superpower? Under Stalin, the superpower was built by hungry and evil winners.

    And for whom did they build a superpower under Stalin? For Abramovich, Vekselberg and other Forbes described? Are they starving for us too? The wind howls in my head, and he climbs into the commentators.
    1. sagitch
      sagitch 15 June 2018 14: 22
      +1
      That's where billions are buried for the government, no, they merged in a kiss with the oligarchs, and ordinary millionaires.
  34. andrew42
    andrew42 15 June 2018 13: 19
    +5
    The sky of the morning banner ... Isn't it time to get out of the chest?
  35. slava84
    slava84 15 June 2018 13: 33
    0
    It was always interesting, but how much in rubles would we consider a pension normal? Can we speculate? Do you need less money for retirement? more? or so much skin? I ask without hidden meanings, I'm just 33, it's time to build a retirement plan. You can’t count on the state, you need to do something yourself!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 June 2018 13: 38
      +4
      Quote: slava84
      It was always interesting, but how much in rubles would we consider a pension normal?

      For one, without taking into account the family, you can keep up with something like 30 thousand, if you have to burden the family, then you need to have at least 50-70 tons, but who will establish such a pension when you need to "help" Abramovich-bills of exchange and other things like that?
      Your city probably has a Pension Fund premises, admire the building and then the bureaucrat-parasites from this Pension Fund, you will understand where the money goes ..
      https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82
      %D0%BE%D1%82+%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9
      +%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD
      %D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE+%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0
      &newwindow=1&rlz=1C1AOHY_ruRU775RU775&
      ; tbm = isch & tbo = u & source = univ & sa = X &
      ved = 2ahUKEwjR_pSAvdXbAhWhBZoKHcMODY8QsAR6BAgBEDc &
      amp; biw = 1280 & bih = 685
      1. slava84
        slava84 15 June 2018 15: 22
        +4
        You are right, we have a good pension building. Under the current system - capitalism, I have to think about myself! I was born in the first half of the eighties, that is, retired children of the late nineties will have to feed me. There was no or no birth rate. I’m afraid or they will raise my retirement age to 100 years or in general they will cancel my pension. Although I pay taxes of about 130000 a year, many of them are in the FIU.
      2. Barbus
        Barbus 15 June 2018 16: 27
        +1
        Not sickly so 50 thousand. Pension !!! In what city is this needed? When my wife was at home with my child, we lived on the same salary for a year and a half. They lived normally, without need. And enough for goodies, and keep the car, and there was also money for entertainment. A sn clean was 55.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 16 June 2018 16: 28
          +2
          Quote: Barbus
          Not sickly so 50 thousand. Pension !!!

          And this is the pension that is prescribed by the Law, without loss factors, which applies not only to those who wore epaulettes, but also to civilians.
          So your indignation is not clear.
          You will take an interest in interest, the trousers-cleaners of trousers in public places, what is their effectiveness and what is their pension, you will be very surprised ..
  36. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 13: 36
    +9
    Quote: tasha
    However, here, if you please, only one of the examples. Before acquiring my retirement, one of my acquaintances took care of the house in the village, spread geese, ducks, rabbits, was engaged in beekeeping and beds.

    -------------------------------------------------
    Construction of a house in the village. The plot is 100 thousand rubles. Materials for the house and help in installing the foundation - 500 thousand-1 million rubles. Ducks, geese, pigs, bees, buildings for them-100 thousand rubles. In general, in any case, the initial capital for the arrangement of pastoral life in the province needs 700 thousand to 1 million rubles. Plus a car for going to civilization, another 300 thousand-1 million rubles. That is, you need to take this money somewhere. A good idea and it is usually implemented by military pensioners who are quite fresh young men of 45-55 years old as my classmate, for example. He is building a new country house from timber and OSB.
    1. Barbus
      Barbus 15 June 2018 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: tasha
      However, here, if you please, only one of the examples. Before acquiring my retirement, one of my acquaintances took care of the house in the village, spread geese, ducks, rabbits, was engaged in beekeeping and beds.

      -------------------------------------------------
      Construction of a house in the village. The plot is 100 thousand rubles. Materials for the house and help in installing the foundation - 500 thousand-1 million rubles. Ducks, geese, pigs, bees, buildings for them-100 thousand rubles. In general, in any case, the initial capital for the arrangement of pastoral life in the province needs 700 thousand to 1 million rubles. Plus a car for going to civilization, another 300 thousand-1 million rubles. That is, you need to take this money somewhere. A good idea and it is usually implemented by military pensioners who are quite fresh young men of 45-55 years old as my classmate, for example. He is building a new country house from timber and OSB.

      It is fashionable to buy a plot with a house in the village. And no foundation needs to be done. In our village, all the houses are on boulders. And the prices were taken for the suburbs?
  37. Altona
    Altona 15 June 2018 13: 38
    +10
    Quote: andrew42
    The sky of the morning banner ... Isn't it time to get out of the chest?

    ---------------------------
    We need an organized and resolute MASS rebuff. Maidan and Pugachevschina will not work. This means that there must be a working party and incorruptible leaders. And also the growth of CLASS consciousness of the masses!
  38. sagitch
    sagitch 15 June 2018 14: 16
    +4
    So women will stop giving birth, otherwise they will not live up to retirement!
    And as yesterday’s decision of the Rulers, the plans of millions were destroyed. How to work another five or eight years? By whom ?, at a construction site, factory or somewhere else, physically you will not be able to, but not everyone is trained with papers.
    Five years before retirement, go to the exchange, let them keep it there?
    Our children will not be able to get settled until 30, all the places for the old people are crammed, it remains for them to wait for deaths in the workplace in order to find a job?
    1. Mefodi5124
      Mefodi5124 15 June 2018 16: 08
      +5
      Children can find a job, but they want managers for the most part! They want to receive immediately and a lot! Pret not for everyone, at the base not pret for the majority! Yes, children and children do not want to work for a penny! And this is true, so it’s easier not to work at all. But this rulers do not care a bit. The price of benz, pension, etc. equal to the world, European! And the incomes of most citizens are compared with the most backward countries! Although sometimes it is thought that no one is behind us.
  39. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 June 2018 14: 38
    +5
    Before discussing with the State Duma, our resident will order women to retire at age 60. And again there will be a fair, rejoicing for the people. After all, he reduced the release period by as much as 3 years !!! And again, all women will be in favor of “Like Putin!”
  40. Stils
    Stils 15 June 2018 15: 11
    +9
    On the whole, it is expected and not surprising, these conversations have been going on for a long time, and the moment has been picked up and thought out to the point of disgust "correctly." At the opening of the World Cup, muffled, and by the way, any actions and rallies are now prohibited. And what was there to wait for? I think it is very insulting to those pre-pensioners who voted for the puten. They simply took and improved their conditions for further robbery of the population, in an extremely harsh form.
  41. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 15 June 2018 15: 34
    +6
    By analogy with the joke about the dying old Bandera, I want to say
    Citizens, take care of the government!

    “Hatred of him is the only thing that unites the citizens of Russia!”
  42. Barbus
    Barbus 15 June 2018 15: 52
    0
    And someone without emotions tried to look at the situation? Without emotion, think about what this reform can be caused (except for memorized cliches, such as robbing people). I, too, am not a supporter of such decisions, but I thought something about the fact that there may be objective reasons, because the discussion of this issue has been conducted for a long time (based on the text of the article, already from 2005). After all, it is said that the increase will be gradual. For men, they want to gradually increase their retirement age by 5 years. Taking into account the terms indicated in the article, it turns out that they will increase by 1 year every 2 years. From my point of view, this is not so critical. It is clear that the government is trying in this way to fulfill the tasks set by the president to increase the income level of the population, using a cunning combination. On the other hand, future retirees get extra time to increase their pension. Yes, people of pre-retirement age are being hired poorly, but it seems to me that this is precisely because the age is pre-retirement, and if you increase it, then this border will shift. True, I would prefer to first complete the task of increasing the life expectancy of the population.
    1. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 21 June 2018 10: 48
      0
      "Barbus
      And someone without emotions tried to look at the situation? Without emotion, to think, what could be the cause of this reform? It is clear that the government is trying in this way to fulfill the tasks set by the president to increase the income level of the population, using a cunning combination. "
      Well, if you are such a person, thinking and without emotions, explain to me how you can increase the level of income of the population, at the expense of the population ?! Can you explain to me why I pay 13% income, and our poor oligarchs 9% each ?!
      But you can introduce a progressive taxation scale and solve the problem!
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  44. beeper
    beeper 15 June 2018 17: 46
    +8
    In Ukraine, in the 2000s, the statistics of "surviving to retirement" of Ukrainian male citizens were voiced on average for 57 years request and the Ukrainian authorities were going to make 63 retirement age for us (now, in general, some Maidan bureaucrats from the social policy system make semi-official statements that they do not need to pay pensions, but do it in Chinese, let the children inspect and supplement their old-age parents , and those who don’t have children are to blame themselves, so is it necessary, they will die faster?)! But, probably, the Russian men are not so short-lived, but stronger and tenacious than the Ukrainian ?! wink
    Back then, the men and I were joking that the pension didn’t threaten us, even if pensioners-beneficiaries and light-working people from Zrada lived on our pension contributions and didn’t deny themselves anything, who received 50 pensions with an average of 1500 in Ukraine, although the largest part of labor pensioners received about 850 hryvnias of pension per month!
    Can it be that even Russian insurance companies do not have statistics on the average life expectancy of Russian citizens in various age categories ?! smile Something your official blisses, gives her own “ignorance” for the ultimate truth — at least kill me, but I won’t believe that the Russian government does not have statistics on age-related mortality of the population ?! winked
    Okay men, and women for sho request , after all, not all the same as secretaries, but officials work (try retiring these and retire smile ) ?!
  45. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 15 June 2018 18: 41
    +7
    Comrades, you all heard how the Guarantor said that the goal of the Government is to improve the lives of PEOPLE !!!!! AND WHAT ARE YOU DECIDING WHAT THEY ARE USING PEOPLE US? We have never heard of such a social phenomenon - social racism. Read it ...
  46. RL
    RL 15 June 2018 18: 43
    +2
    Okay, make some noise! At 60, men retire only in Russia and in France. In the rest, not disease states of Europe, in 63-65. Well, is it not a shame to equate yourself with the French?
    I myself am retired, but when asked, I will help with work. Usually you need to sign a contract, otherwise they will take the pension. If something happens, help neighbors either there at the construction site or in M ​​who are ill, come, ask and if there is time, and if I want to, I’ll go, I will put concrete (or something — laugh) for fun, and I’ll sit with the guys at the beer in the evening , cheer for Washington and Ovechkin. It's free, the tenant treats. But at home - it's sacred - so that the grass is cut, so that the flowers, and the son and daughter, though far away, are thrown up a job, and it’s interesting to help grandchildren. Otherwise, the wife will be angry. While there is work at home - no where. As they say in the Czech Republic: "The busiest people are pensioners"
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 June 2018 19: 15
      +5
      Quote: RL
      ! At 60, men retire only in Russia and in France

      The fact is that after the 60th work it is unrealistic to find, but somewhere it is simply impossible.
  47. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 15 June 2018 20: 08
    +4
    Quote: Vard
    My main task now ... Do not die in retirement ... And then after all, they will get my money ...

    I support. We already have one blown away at work ...
  48. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 15 June 2018 20: 10
    +7
    After 50, my uncle’s job in ip / cp for a bit is almost impossible to find.
    Most hard workers perceive retirement as an addition to salaries. And they continue to work while health allows. So what to do?
    Among my friends, only two reached the future retirement age of 65. And 7 alas ...
    You can say as much as you like that you must take care of the pension yourself. Yes, maybe this applies to the current 20-30 year olds. Yes they can
    But what should the generation do from 50 to 60? It will not work in any way. And few can survive to 65
    1. orchestra
      orchestra 18 June 2018 12: 41
      0
      The leader of any herd leads him to rich fields and the herd is quite full and the coat is thick. And here the bad leader is also a balobol.
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  50. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 June 2018 21: 30
    +2
    It’s interesting for them that the military has a “bright future” even further, and by the way, what about the fact that military pensioners receive not so much pension, but 54%. Further, as you can see, they decided not to immediately "please."