In Germany, summed up the European tank biathlon

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In Germany, the results of the European "tank biathlon" were summed up, held on the basis of the training center of the US 7th Army Command, located at the Grafenwehr military training ground in Bavaria. As a result, German crews on tanks The Leopard 2A6 took first place, the Swedes took the second with the Stridsvagn 122, the third - the Austrians with the Leopard 2A4. In addition, the Americans won the Abrams M1A2 in a separate category for sniper shooting, Warspot reports.

In Germany, summed up the European tank biathlon

Cups and medals for winners




8 teams participated in the competition: Austria on Leopard 2А4; UK on FV4034 Challenger 2; Germany on Leopard 2A6; Poland on Leopard 2A5; USA on Abrams M1A2 SEP v2; Ukraine on T-84; France on AMX-56 Leclerc; Sweden on Strv.122. The team of Ukraine, speaking on the T-84 Oplot, took the last, eighth place. On the first day of competition, the team’s tanks had problems with the fire control system. Last year, the Ukrainian T-64BM tankers took the second last place among six teams.

These competitions were held for the third time and are considered annual. The competition is attended by teams from NATO countries and allies. During competitions in Europe, contests such as combat shooting, technical training skills, medical aid, personal weapons and various actions of tank platoons in defense and offensive, and so on.

This year the discipline of overcoming obstacles in the form of passenger cars was added to the competition. The video, taken during the next stage of the Strong Europe Tank Challenge competition, shows the performances of teams on Abrams M1A2 (USA), Challenger II (Great Britain) and Leopard 2A5 (Poland) tanks:

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  1. +30
    12 June 2018 11: 24
    But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us .. Oh west, are you afraid of Russian tankers !!!

    And we can rush to breakthroughs .. soldier
    1. MPN
      +35
      12 June 2018 11: 29
      Quote: Kasandra
      But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us .. Oh west, are you afraid of Russian tankers !!!

      Well, once in the 45th, we went to them ... :))
    2. +5
      12 June 2018 11: 37
      Kasandra But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us .. Oh west, are you afraid of Russian tankers !!!

      They are afraid to screw up to the fullest. laughing
    3. +12
      12 June 2018 11: 51
      Quote: Kasandra
      But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us ..

      But it would be interesting to go ... only with the expectation that we are with them, and they are with us. Let’s compare the level of training and coherence of the units in their field and the level of technology and the training of crews in our ...
      1. +9
        12 June 2018 12: 19
        You are welcome to the "tank biathlon" ... As targets ..
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Kasandra
        But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us ..

        But it would be interesting to go ... only with the expectation that we are with them, and they are with us. Let’s compare the level of training and coherence of the units in their field and the level of technology and the training of crews in our ...
        1. 0
          12 June 2018 13: 48
          Quote: 210ox
          You are welcome to the "tank biathlon" ...

          Eurocoils (sluts) are over, we are waiting for the Russian apotheosis
      2. +14
        12 June 2018 14: 15
        That's just ours and screwed up !!! In our show called tank biathlon, they evaluate the actions of the crew and they have a platoon. Management and the use of a platoon are much more complicated
        1. +14
          12 June 2018 14: 18
          Quote: Nehist
          Management and the use of a platoon are much more complicated

          And that in our army the tactical exercises of platoons and companies with live firing are no longer held?
          1. +7
            12 June 2018 14: 30
            Have you seen this at our biathlon at least once?
            1. +11
              12 June 2018 14: 54
              Quote: Nehist
              Have you seen this at our biathlon at least once?

              Do not confuse hot with square. A tank-cyclone is one thing, and live firing with tactical missions is another. And the latter are included in the combat training course of tank units
              1. +10
                12 June 2018 15: 56
                That is what they did in Germany! Platoon combat training !! If you do not know the rules of their event, so take an interest! Then you will understand how ours, as you rightly noticed, Tankotlon is different from their live firing with tactical tasks
                1. +7
                  12 June 2018 17: 01
                  Quote: Nehist
                  That is what they did in Germany!

                  Thank you for opening your eyes, but I didn’t understand what they were doing in the fields. That’s why I emphasize that besides our “pokatushki”, there is also normal combat training, during which our tankers are engaged in such “boring things” as tactical exercises with live firing
                2. +2
                  12 June 2018 22: 05
                  Stop comparing biathlon and these competitions. Our platoon units also pass dozens of times a year between formations constantly since the time of the king of peas. And hundreds of videos and anything on an Internet. You, for some reason, ignore the fact that these triumphs take place inside one block, where for some reason Ukraine is called. In fact, these are not international competitions, but exercises. Biathlon is a show where everyone is called. Where there are spectators, broadcasts and commentators who entertain the audience. This is how to compare the usual biathlon and shooting competitions for the prize of the Minister of Defense in for example the World War II)))
                3. +1
                  13 June 2018 05: 29
                  if you do not understand, they made a show from ordinary exercises, ours DO NOT DO THIS, exercises take place quarterly in each specific part. The show was done at the level of crew training. Now compare the intensity, once a year and once a quarter.
            2. +5
              12 June 2018 15: 45
              Quote: Nehist
              Have you seen this at our biathlon at least once?

              ========
              And you, in the Army, actually served??
        2. +8
          12 June 2018 14: 45
          Quote: Nehist
          That's just ours and screwed up !!! In our show called tank biathlon, they evaluate the actions of the crew and they have a platoon. Management and the use of a platoon are much more complicated

          I don’t know which “ours” are for you, but the Russian units would be the best. At any exercises, we evaluate the actions of units. And biathlon is a sport and the team (crew) wins. Maybe in army all-around too it is necessary to run platoons - offset on the last? ... laughing
          1. +3
            12 June 2018 16: 01
            Do you think tank biathlon is a doctrine?
            1. +2
              12 June 2018 16: 57
              As in any sport, with a very serious preparation of the rivals, the technique will have decisive importance, that is, its technical refinement specifically for performances. And a tank biathlon can eventually turn into, for example, a “fire-applied” sport, beautiful but having nothing to do with reality. Specially facilitated sports sleeves, trunks, ladders, belts, and anything else. .. I would not want this fate befell the Russian tank biathlon. In my opinion, platoon competitions are more effective, although perhaps less spectacular from the point of view of filmmakers. But the fact that today the tank biathlon in Russia has raised the youth’s interest in the army of engineers, and the desire of the tank crews themselves to defeat is indisputable.
            2. +5
              13 June 2018 08: 00
              Quote: Nehist
              Do you think tank biathlon is a doctrine?

              Alexander, I do not understand how you draw the opposite conclusion from an unambiguous wording. Tank biathlon is a sport, a competition between crews, a spectacular sport. What NATO members do for all Russian tank units is taking place in exercises. It is difficult to give them entertainment because of the large area required for this training ground. Most likely, for this reason, Russia does not hold an analogue of NATO competitions - there is no media demand. According to the NATO exercises, there are many questions about the equality of the participants. They out of habit make comparative advertising of technology from this. If in the Russian tank biathlon approximately equal equipment is used, then in the NATO biathlon they are completely mixed. The aiming and stabilization system is crucial for shooting, hodovka and weight are important for overcoming obstacles. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are generally invited (without entering NATO), like boys for whipping and demonstrating the settling of "Russian" equipment. Why are they not inviting the Russian Armed Forces to participate? Because for us their competition program is everyday life. Their image of invincibility, which rests on the background of obsolete modifications of the T-64 and the jambs of the T-84, will definitely suffer. I do not guarantee that our crews would take 1st place, but would be in the top three. We invite NATO members to the tank biathlon, but they do not go. Why are they not inviting us to their competitions if they are really competitions, and not exercises? Wouldn’t be afraid to lose - they would be willing to invite. For NATO countries, this is business, advertising, and all that ... And your opinion that the Russian Armed Forces (SA) did not learn lessons from WWII is very surprising.
        3. +3
          12 June 2018 15: 43
          Quote: Nehist
          That's just ours and screwed up !!! In our show called tank biathlon, they evaluate the actions of the crew and they have a platoon. Management and the use of a platoon are much more complicated

          =======
          And you, my friend "tanker" probably? I suppose you are playing "tanchiki" ??? So how is it? Winning ???
        4. 0
          21 June 2018 06: 08
          Quote: Nehist
          In our show called tank biathlon, they evaluate the actions of the crew and they have a platoon. Management and the use of a platoon are much more complicated

          http://www.elentur.com.ua/tankovyj-biatlon-v-blag
          oveshhenske-video /
          This is a link to how the biathlon of 2018 took place in Blagoveshchensk. Unfortunately, I was sick and was not at the FEFU and the former BVTKU training grounds combined into one training ground. But even those passages that were shown on TV were interesting.
      3. kig
        +6
        12 June 2018 14: 28
        Quote: svp67
        But it would be interesting to go ... only with the expectation that we are with them, and they are with us

        The programs are completely different. They, perhaps, will be closer to combat missions. And here, if without addictions, it’s just that biathlon is only on the tank.
        1. +7
          12 June 2018 14: 52
          Quote: kig
          They, perhaps, will be closer to combat missions. And here, if without addictions, it’s just that biathlon is only on the tank.

          Listen, but in our program of combat training of tank units there were live firing of platoons and company tactical exercises, the tasks and forces involved are very similar to their events. I do not see anything complicated
          1. +5
            12 June 2018 16: 00
            You yourself noticed the difference !! Then what is the banter? Maybe then it’s better for us to go to them, at the same time we’ll just check the training at the platoon level.
            1. +4
              12 June 2018 18: 52
              Quote: Nehist
              You yourself noticed the difference !! Then what is the banter? Maybe then it’s better for us to go to them, at the same time we’ll just check the training at the platoon level.

              We would come, but they don’t call us. And the fact that they would take the first place, I have no doubt!
              1. +2
                12 June 2018 19: 13
                Quote: sabakina
                And the fact that they would take the first place, I have no doubt!

                This is unlikely ... They’re “sharpening” their training grounds and exercises for their technique, just as we are.
          2. kig
            0
            12 June 2018 16: 23
            I'm talking about biathlon, not combat training.
        2. +4
          12 June 2018 15: 47
          Quote: kig
          The programs are completely different. They, perhaps, will be closer to combat missions. And here, if without addictions, it’s just that biathlon is only on the tank.

          ===============
          HERE is in This и composed DIFFERENCE!!!
          Ours are training to use TANKS! A "THEY" - the crews EVACUATE !!!!
          1. +6
            12 June 2018 16: 30
            They have a completely different principle. These are more likely exercises in which the crews of 4 tanks take part immediately. Those. not an individual classification as ours, but a team one. And we have more sharpened competitions for entertainment and tank ownership at the training ground. They also have the development of specific tactical tasks on the ground, which is more relevant for warfare
            1. +2
              12 June 2018 18: 39
              Your argument is about nothing. Competitions in essence as a relay race (team) and personalities. When our platoon is invited to compete according to the general rules, then there will be a conversation who is better.
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                1. +2
                  13 June 2018 04: 32
                  Alexander hi You won’t be victorious in such a mood, at least in Tankotlon, at least in Western competitions. Especially in the army. Here aggressive behavior and self-confidence is required to win. They will invite Russia - a tank platoon of the best crews will be prepared, which will be held combat coordination (I hope you know this term?). Western tankers will agree to participate in our tank biathlon - they will send the most trained crew. I don’t see anything unusual here, Sergey svp67 told you the same thing. Maybe the first time it won’t turn out to take first place, but they will undoubtedly be in the top three winners.
                  I'm more interested in another question - will this happen and when? Because the obstacles to the holding of such competitions are by no means army, but political and economic factors. It seems clear idea outlined? hi
      4. +3
        12 June 2018 17: 48
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Kasandra
        But they’re afraid of inviting Russians and they don’t come to us ..

        But it would be interesting to go ... only with the expectation that we are with them, and they are with us. Let’s compare the level of training and coherence of the units in their field and the level of technology and the training of crews in our ...

        Our biathlon is more reminiscent of a sports competition of water drivers on the march. Plus a little gunner training and a tank commander as a passenger.
        They have more combat training of tank commanders, gunners and loaders, a little less - mechanized water.
        For me, they are preparing for war more seriously than we are. I am not opposed to biathlon, this is better than nothing, but it would be nice to have competitions under our NATO competition program. There would be a lot of interesting things to work on.
        1. +3
          12 June 2018 18: 37
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          I am not opposed to biathlon, this is better than nothing, but it would be nice to have competitions under our NATO competition program.

          Such "competitions" in our units are held every six months, according to the combat training program. But in which I agree, it would not hurt to really conduct general army competitions among platoons.
          1. +2
            12 June 2018 22: 28
            Well. In principle, what I tried to convey to the audience. And then we cry out all the stronger, we will tear them .... It was already such in our history, then washed my face with blood for a couple of years
            1. 0
              17 June 2018 02: 13
              The funny thing is that you alone are trying and objecting to it, but then you draw conclusions exactly the same as you object only to the other side. :) what nonsense?
    4. +1
      12 June 2018 12: 20
      Have Americans given a comforting prize?
      1. +1
        12 June 2018 14: 18
        Quote: Megatron
        Have Americans given a comforting prize?

        Cried a lot, so sorry ...
        1. 0
          12 June 2018 19: 08
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Megatron
          Have Americans given a comforting prize?

          Cried a lot, so sorry ...

          cried so much that they shot best. laughing A separate prize is the best sniper shooting. Traditionally Germans and Americans (though Austrians on Leo too)
          1. +1
            12 June 2018 19: 14
            Quote: Antares
            Traditionally Germans and Americans (though Austrians on Leo too)

            Previously, the Dutch shone, again on the “Leo-2"
    5. 0
      13 June 2018 14: 08
      They have the main difference - they participate in their cars. And they can be compared. And with us, only the Chinese are on their own. Yes, I understand that all our other “brothers in mind” use T-72s of various modifies, but it’s more interesting to compare different tanks of different developers. In my opinion
      1. 0
        17 June 2018 02: 28
        Different whom? Chinese and Russian cars went from one, American and German too. Even the modules are some the same or close. Ask what guns are on American and German tanks. Which is in Chinese. The difference in approaches to the basic fundamentals? Or electronics competitions?
        By the way, something tells me that they are preparing their cars for the competition quite differently from the army. Look at the Chinese types 96. Something they somehow look much simpler than those in the army.
        Although I understand what you are talking about. And I agree, but the competition should be prepared in such a way as to take into account the features of all machines.
    6. 0
      13 June 2018 23: 52
      Who knew .....
  2. +1
    12 June 2018 11: 25
    The video preview is called: “Goodbye Lada Kalina” crying
  3. +9
    12 June 2018 11: 28
    Utilization of passenger cars is probably an Amer’s idea, well, they can’t live without a show.
    1. 0
      12 June 2018 13: 53
      Quote: shubin
      Utilization of passenger cars is probably an Amer’s idea, well, they can’t live without a show.

      Not. This is an indication of what these tanks are capable of best.
      It is interesting, but that in Poland, Bulgaria and other European Union there are no T-72s of their modifications on which they could speak? Something probably does not pass according to the characteristics, but Ukraine is speaking though not a T-72 branch. Not really the T-72 even in the earliest versions of all breaks?
      1. 0
        12 June 2018 17: 33
        “Ukraine is speaking” - they are growing before our eyes! Last year, the penultimate of six, now the last of eight!
        1. 0
          12 June 2018 19: 10
          Quote: major147
          “Ukraine is speaking” - they are growing before our eyes! Last year, the penultimate of six, now the last of eight!

          The 14th platoon last performed in the native T64 and not bad, but scored a bunch of penalties out of ignorance. And now the T84 is worse. In general, you need to train and train.
      2. +1
        13 June 2018 23: 39
        Hungarians, on the other hand, took part in such events a couple of years ago and severely tore all NATO members on old Soviet tanks.
    2. +2
      12 June 2018 17: 13
      Quote: shubin
      Utilization of passenger cars is probably an Amer’s idea, well, they can’t live without a show.

      Yeah, but in reality? Well, if in a car 300-500 kg. explosives? They will drive out of habit).
    3. +1
      12 June 2018 20: 04
      Utilization of cars,

      What they lack in this discipline is mannequins in the cabin, in the form of civilians, it is possible to get used to the "dolls" of animals and children, for greater credibility. The question is, what kind of vegetable are such cheap show-offs at NATO exercises, where a similar situation can be applied in life? !!! Still need to add a couple of combines / tractors, hospital in the form of targets, and wedding courtyards, respectively.
  4. +4
    12 June 2018 11: 29
    Neighing, amused me NATO members.
  5. +4
    12 June 2018 11: 29
    The team of Ukraine, speaking at the T-84 Oplot, took last, eighth place. On the first day of the competition, the tanks of the team had problems with the fire control system. Last year, Ukrainian tankers on the T-64BM took penultimate place among six teams.

    There is regression. Good anti-advertising.
    1. +4
      12 June 2018 11: 47
      hi
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      There is regression. Good anti-advertising.

      But “Leo-2” made an excellent advertisement for itself, all three prizes after it ...
      As a result, the German crews on the Leopard 2A6 tanks took first place, the Swedes took second place on Stridsvagn 122 (- The Swedish main battle tank, which is a licensed German tank Leopard 2A5, the design of which has been amended variously.), on the third - the Austrians on the Leopard 24A.
      1. +6
        12 June 2018 12: 09
        Sergei hi
        Quote: svp67
        But “Leo-2” made an excellent advertisement for itself, all three prizes after it ...

        I agree, the advertisement is very convincing. But not the least role in ordering is played by the experience of combat use, and it is not an “ice”, judging by the Turkish “successes”.
    2. +1
      12 June 2018 13: 51
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      The team of Ukraine, speaking at the T-84 Oplot, took the last, eighth place. On the first day of the competition, the tanks of the team had problems with the fire control system. Last year, Ukrainian tankers on the T-64BM took the penultimate place among six teams.

      but who will give the trained monkeys a banana and a couple of pictures for memory
    3. +2
      12 June 2018 15: 52
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      There is regression. Good anti-advertising.

      ========
      Well yes!! T-84 "Oplot" was positioned, almost like the BEST tank in the WORLD !!! (like "where is the T-90, etc.!)
      And it turned out "as always"-" got rid of "according to the" full program "1 !!!
      Low Bow to Chernomyrdin !!!!!
      1. +2
        12 June 2018 17: 03
        Quote: venik
        But it turned out “as always” - “got rid of” according to the “full program” 1 !!!

        "Glory to the Vilna and Independent Ukraine!"
  6. +3
    12 June 2018 11: 30
    Have you seen enough how Ukrainians crushed civilian cars on BMP? Did you like it? And we can take over the competition in the group (platoon).
  7. +3
    12 June 2018 11: 31
    miserable sight ... heartbreaking sight (s)
  8. +1
    12 June 2018 11: 31
    The Germans, as always, had the best fight with civilians judging by the video wassat
    The team of Ukraine, speaking at the T-84 Oplot, took the last, eighth place. On the first day of the competition, the tanks of the team had problems with the fire control system.
    So this is the best tank in the galaxy belay
    1. +5
      12 June 2018 12: 20
      This is actually the T-80 - the best Soviet tank.
      1. SSR
        0
        12 June 2018 14: 11
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This is actually the T-80 - the best Soviet tank.

        In fact, the main Soviet ones are the T-72, T-80 and T-64 in terms of the combination of characteristics, the T-72 was better.
        And now it’s difficult to compare, you need to compare the latest modifications.
        It seems that ours bought the T-80s from the Koreans, but how and for whom they modify it is another question.
      2. 0
        13 June 2018 23: 40
        disputes which tank is better go so far.
  9. +8
    12 June 2018 11: 31
    I especially liked the performance of psheks on video laughing Dashing race with a tower deployed at 180 degrees. Drape training to mingle with a peacekeeper (judging by moving cars)
  10. +2
    12 June 2018 11: 33
    In addition, in a separate nomination for sniper shooting, the Americans won on the Abrams M1A2,
    well it is clear. They only had skating rinks and headlights there that were not computerized.
    1. +8
      12 June 2018 11: 39
      I don’t know how now ... But in the seventies in a neighboring tank regiment nine out of ten got on the move ... Without any computers ...
      1. +6
        12 June 2018 14: 00
        I confirm !! He served in the GDR 16tankovaya. In 47 tank warrant-sniper served ... He threw the barrel with the first shot as it rolled and managed to reload it and covered it with the second ... The witness himself was ... Com and the second tank army in touch ...
    2. +1
      12 June 2018 11: 40
      And cho, blacks charging also computerized? Well, what kind of “tank biathlon” is it, where they “drive around” cars, but to compete with our tankers they have a “gut”!
      1. 0
        12 June 2018 13: 54
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        but to compete with our tankers they have a "gut"!

        there is very close to the hemorrhoids, a lot of dough will lose according to the results drinks
  11. +11
    12 June 2018 11: 40
    I watched the video. People, tell me, what's the catch, crush cars? belay
    1. jjj
      +3
      12 June 2018 11: 48
      This exercise they have is designated as overcoming obstacles. What tanks, such and obstacles
    2. +1
      12 June 2018 11: 49
      At they "type" obstacles overcome))))
      1. +4
        12 June 2018 11: 54
        Darn! It turns out that since 1986 I constantly overcome obstacles! Lynxes, moose, hares, snakes, frogs. elephants ... pah, there were no elephants .. laughing
    3. +3
      12 June 2018 18: 42
      Train not to get stuck. They do not even hide their attitude to the civilian population of countries where they impose democracy
      1. 0
        12 June 2018 19: 13
        Quote: gromoboj
        Train not to get stuck. They do not even hide their attitude to the civilian population of countries where they impose democracy

        an element of the show is an obstacle in cities.
        The author is strange, last time the cars crushed the same way, and the author first time ...
  12. +4
    12 June 2018 11: 47
    This year, the discipline of overcoming obstacles in the form of cars was added to the competition.
    Why is this so? And before they were ironed. Of the results, the performances of the Leclerc and Challengers are interesting .. The results are not impressive ... And not for the first time ... But the Swedes surprise .. It will be necessary to read about their armored car ..
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 12: 07
      The Swedes, according to the Nazis, are the second titular nation in Europe. Again, remember, with whom we constantly fought from the 14th to the 18th century. The Swedes, by NATO standards, have the most prepared and equipped army, which is tiny.
      1. +1
        12 June 2018 12: 09
        Quote: shinobi
        The Swedes, according to the Nazis, are the second titular nation in Europe. Again, remember, with whom we constantly fought from the 14th to the 18th century. The Swedes, by NATO standards, have the most prepared and equipped army, which is tiny.

        As a tiny unit, don’t equip it - it’s still tiny .. Well, God be with them with the lights .. their problems ... winked
  13. +1
    12 June 2018 11: 53
    discipline such as overcoming obstacles in the form of cars.
    ... By the way, ours should be noted ... The car recycling program will be resolved ... The main thing is cheap and cheerful .. wink
  14. 0
    12 June 2018 12: 01
    Well, actually, here he is an indicator of training and a legitimate beater. And this despite the awful state of the Bundeswehr.
  15. +4
    12 June 2018 12: 07
    I now understand overcoming a water barrier, climbing a hill or overcoming a difficult blockage for a tank can be critical in wartime. But, hell, do these heroes put pressure on civilian transport, is it the development of a crew with a persistent hatred of civilians?
  16. +4
    12 June 2018 12: 19
    Would show the exercise "attack tank platoon"
    or shooting at long distances.
    But they showed only how the cars crush - an exercise that
    and added for a laugh. So everyone laughs.
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 13: 18
      Can you show how the Palestinian cars can squeeze Merkava? wink
      1. +3
        12 June 2018 18: 43
        Censorship will not pass. They crush them with passengers.
      2. -1
        13 June 2018 13: 16
        Quote: sabakina
        Can you show how the Palestinian cars can squeeze Merkava? wink

        "Palestinian cars" are usually stolen Israeli cars. And they are found with the Merkavas only in the inflamed brains of people who do not know what they are talking about.
        1. 0
          13 June 2018 23: 47
          Well, yes, carrot is not found with cars, it burns not childish ...



  17. +6
    12 June 2018 12: 20
    If the Merinosovsky "Abrams" even from the start couldn’t get into a passenger car, how will he overcome the escarpments and counter-escapes ???
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 19: 30
      Quote: nnz226
      If the Merinosovsky "Abrams" even from the start couldn’t get into a passenger car, how will he overcome the escarpments and counter-escapes ???

      And they don’t know such words, and what they don’t know, that’s not)))
  18. +7
    12 June 2018 12: 21
    And what is the point of moving cars with tanks?
    What is the competition?
    I understand that a shell can get into a car from a long distance or from a machine gun.
    Better yet, in a moving car.
    But crushing a tank is absurd.
    Or a complete lack of mind.
    In principle, a car can be mined?
    Can. So it’s simple, from not figs to do, is it not worth approaching it in real conditions? Not worth it.
    To help them, the statements of Sergei Lavrov.
    1. +4
      12 June 2018 17: 45
      Quote: demo
      And what is the point of moving cars with tanks?
      What is the competition?
      I understand that a shell can get into a car from a long distance or from a machine gun.
      Better yet, in a moving car.
      But crushing a tank is absurd.
      Or a complete lack of mind.
      In principle, a car can be mined?
      Can. So it’s simple, from not figs to do, is it not worth approaching it in real conditions? Not worth it.
      To help them, the statements of Sergei Lavrov.

      At the shooting, somehow the mushroom picker went almost to the target field. He braked, turned off the engine, got out of the car - bam !, from 1000 m a projectile arrived. Outwardly, the car is almost whole, only the trunk, interior, and holes are open and there is no motor and windows. The gunner fired at a blinking brake light. laughing
      Himself somehow on the T-62 "punished" - night, winter, go, look for goals. Suddenly the light blinks on the left. Well, I joyfully press the button. We managed to shoot 2 times, until the race stopped from the tower laughing It turns out that I shot at a light bulb in the courtyard of a private house 1,5 km from the training ground - I did not look at the azimuth pointer when they got into the car, and the tower was turned slightly to the left. The teacher then said that, in principle, he got into the dimensions of the house laughing
      And the car on the sidelines can easily be mined, that's for sure!
  19. +10
    12 June 2018 12: 24
    And cars are crushing, so as not to be shy to crush women and children, as they did "Deutsche Zoldaten" in our 1941 year ???
  20. +3
    12 June 2018 12: 33
    No. aren’t they clowns? What and why do they want to show these pokatushkami?
    And for Ukraine, this mockery generally ended with the next Biathlon boiler.
    I think even the tankers of Donbass on the T-34 would do all this pack.
    Let all their coders come to a real tank biathlon and see how to fight properly. But I think the gut is thin!
    1. 0
      12 June 2018 19: 14
      Quote: kventinasd
      I think even the tankers of Donbass on the T-34 would do this whole pack

      Hmm ... maybe somewhere and scored points but not on sniper shooting. Distance then not for T 34
  21. +12
    12 June 2018 12: 36
    Quote: svp67
    But “Leo-2” made an excellent advertisement for itself, all three prizes after it ...

    ----------------------------
    The video shows typical fascist fun. This is not a biathlon, but some kind of Teutonic mockery of a peaceful people, especially the crush of cars. A vulgar and stupid sight, this inter-curb snake is also complete stupidity. Rudeness of brute force in general. The Americans, in their repertoire, also stick out a star-striped cloth of immense size from each anal hole. Junk, not a contest. Oh yes, still phallic prizes touched the armor-piercing armor-piercing silhouette. This is a cherry on this vulgar militaristic cake.
    1. +8
      12 June 2018 14: 54
      "this snake is also full of stupidity" ///

      Explain why? The snake shows how skill
      driver, and the ability of the tank to sharply go around
      dangerous obstacle: anti-tank mine, for example.
      ----
      "Oh yes, still phallus-like prizes" [Altona] ///

      I'm sorry, what??? belay
      1. +2
        12 June 2018 15: 34
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The snake shows how skill
        driver, and the ability of the tank to sharply go around
        dangerous obstacle: anti-tank mine, for example.

        Such a snake with borders in a kindergarten can be used up .. But on such tests, NATO members will simply manage
        1. +3
          12 June 2018 18: 05
          Quote: kventinasd
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The snake shows how skill
          driver, and the ability of the tank to sharply go around
          dangerous obstacle: anti-tank mine, for example.

          Such a snake with borders in a kindergarten can be used up .. But on such tests, NATO members will simply manage

          What kind of cadets in the Khabarovsk Territory, interesting?
          By the way, probably not cooler than the cadet tank company of the school - 4 years in one barracks, the crews are composed on the principle of maximum psycho-compatibility and run-in, the materiel is familiar from and to, each crew member of each tank, including mechanics, is guided to tactics by company including drivers. And where does everything go with lieutenant epaulettes !? laughing drinks
    2. +2
      12 June 2018 16: 30
      Well, judging by the video posted on VO, And if you look at other aspects of biathlon? how is it different from the Russian one? yes repair a caterpillar is a repair after a mine explosion, improvised of course
      1. 0
        12 June 2018 17: 02
        also physical training of crews
        1. +1
          12 June 2018 19: 19
          Quote: igor67
          also physical training of crews

          all right. Less show more sweat.
          The t84 profile stands out from German-American tanks in general shooting. They are really anti-tank ambushes.
  22. +4
    12 June 2018 12: 41
    Quote: Kasandra
    Oh west, are you afraid of Russian tankers !!!

    ---------------------------
    Vitaly, you scorch such phrases. laughing hi
  23. +4
    12 June 2018 12: 50
    The dream of any NATAVCA is so for Russia to bring Lada da Kalina. They have pink dreams, just like their grandfathers and great-grandfathers. That is the question. Do they remember birch crosses?
  24. +5
    12 June 2018 12: 54

    It’s they who can push cars, and when they meet warriors, they immediately become scrap metal. As the saying goes: Well done against the sheep, and against the well done the sheep themselves. lol
  25. 0
    12 June 2018 13: 12
    Tanks are a tool, like a knife. And when developing competitions with a knife, the organizers of course do this taking into account the field and rules for using the knife. Of course, the developed competition rules for folding knives a priori put scalpels at a disadvantage. Yes, and ownership skills too ..
    I think if our people go to them, just as they if they come to us, then the first place will remain with the Khoroes.
  26. -1
    12 June 2018 13: 48
    It would have been more effective if Ferrari chi Lambardzhini had been put in the place of pimped place, and even better, Phantom and Contenienthal. I understand that there would be a level ...))))
  27. +1
    12 June 2018 14: 35
    I don’t understand why to do one of the points of the competition - a ram of a civilian car ?! Is this somehow related to military prowess or is it just taught not to spare the civilian population of the occupied country ?!
    1. 0
      12 June 2018 20: 39
      I do not understand the concept of civilians during the war. Well, these are not just people, but potential adversaries that can cause damage. And women, and the elderly, and children.
      At this moment, their military actions are correctly set. Allegedly random attacks on civilian neighborhoods, guests, refugees. Several birds with one stone are killed: intimidation occurs and potentially dangerous subjects are destroyed.
      1. 0
        12 June 2018 21: 16
        Justified the Nazis .. softly so.
        1. 0
          13 June 2018 12: 15
          You can take a look at my words, please. I was seriously indignant since childhood, why the countries of Germany’s accomplices weren’t destroyed, and Germany ... After what they did, it would be worthwhile not to stop the soldiers at the time of robbery and violence, but to encourage all destructive behavior on their territory
  28. 0
    12 June 2018 15: 13
    and in the leopard the crew of 3 people, or so is the Negro charging?
  29. +1
    12 June 2018 15: 39
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Explain why? The snake shows how skill
    driver, and the ability of the tank to sharply go around
    dangerous obstacle: anti-tank mine, for example.

    ------------------------------
    There is no mine sweeping in the NATO troops, as I understand it ...
  30. 0
    12 June 2018 15: 57
    The first 3 places were taken by the Leopards. It is strange that the Germans did not speak at the latest modification of the A7
  31. 0
    12 June 2018 15: 57
    The team of Ukraine, speaking at the T-84 Oplot, took the last, eighth place. On the first day of the competition, the tanks of the team had problems with the fire control system. Last year, Ukrainian tankers on the T-64BM took the penultimate place among six teams.

    Vague doubts torment me: "Our" tanks are stable in last places sad
    1. 0
      12 June 2018 19: 20
      Quote: 123456789
      "Our" tanks stably in last place

      in the debut ahead of Leo Poles on t64. Now speaking on step T84. This is a competition. You can’t do without constant training.
  32. +1
    12 June 2018 16: 22
    Judging by the video, the Abrams is quite agile and speedy. If it is inferior to ours, then not at all.
    1. +2
      12 June 2018 18: 13
      Quote: adma
      Judging by the video, the Abrams is quite agile and speedy. If it is inferior to ours, then not at all.

      In general, now all the main tanks are about the same.
    2. 0
      12 June 2018 23: 23
      Abrams and T-80 - with turbines. The fastest for sharp jerks on the battlefield. And diesel is more profitable with long marches.
  33. +2
    12 June 2018 19: 26
    The competition of tank platoons in Europe (plus the Americans) is a kind of competition. With its own nuances.
    It’s funny to read about the cowardice of NATO, and #all
    What's complicated, submit an application and break. The crews of Leo Europe pretty trained on this program. Abrams, too, cannot make room for Leo.
    NATO members themselves are unlikely to come to the biathlon of the Russian Federation, since the program is different. it’s true that they are more calm about competitions.
    Congratulations to the Germans

    competition cup.
  34. +1
    12 June 2018 19: 30
    Well, that's right, in our open spaces where you will find a car, but they didn’t have time to disperse in Oyropach or moved someone or fell into someone’s house, but flying like ours is not for them, suddenly you will hit your armor with your head, it will be bobo.
  35. 0
    12 June 2018 20: 46
    Yes, you have a daddy fagot
    Yes you have a mom pianist
    Yes, you have the opposite
    What the fuck are you tanker?
  36. +3
    12 June 2018 20: 58
    I read urapatriotic reviews, nodded ... here recently in Serbia, it seems, there were competitions of military motorists ... and ours participated there ... can you tell me what place they took? however, urapatriots have a win-win position. Just that, they will start screaming that they have condemned ...
  37. 0
    12 June 2018 21: 19
    It’s equally not good to get a blank disc from a snotty tankman who accidentally got out of a horseradish cannon mounted on an old tank, as well as from a “pro” on a “masterpiece of tank building ...” And believe the burning temperature is the same ...
  38. +1
    12 June 2018 21: 30
    Quote: Nehist
    Have you seen this at our biathlon at least once?


    And what about three people running at a biathlon? A biathlon is a relay race. That’s why it’s called Tank Biathlon for the gifted. The actions of the crew are evaluated. And the actions of the platoon are checked on BSV, thousands of them are carried out a year, they just don’t show you on TV.
    1. +3
      12 June 2018 22: 37
      I don’t need to watch it on TV. Over 11 years of service live seen enough. Just some cheers-minded comrades do not understand the obvious when comparing these two events. And the assertion that we will tear everyone so ridiculous. One should not assume that a potential adversary is dumber and worse prepared than us. They were already mistaken somehow.
  39. 0
    12 June 2018 21: 40
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I read urapatriotic reviews, nodded ... here recently in Serbia, it seems, there were competitions of military motorists ... and ours participated there ... can you tell me what place they took? however, urapatriots have a win-win position. Just that, they will start screaming that they have condemned ...


    laughing Well, the second and what? In the overall standings. And we participated in our technology there, can you tell me? Just the guys arrived, they were given incomprehensible cars, incomprehensible technical readiness, even there was no time for inspection. By the way, in the discipline of off-road driving, our team took first place. Yes and the second place is very good, taking into account the fact that Serbia comes first . These are her landfills, her cars. So I don’t understand what your bunch in the puddle means?
    1. 0
      12 June 2018 23: 06
      but I don’t understand how to compare the genital organ with a finger. there is already an armful of copies pollmali proving that you can’t do this, but still cheers, we’ll tear everyone. what would be more understandable for those who are in an armored train ... a fly in the ointment of tar spoils the boyak of honey? and a spoonful of honey improves the smell of barrels of tar? I mean, the tank biathlon champion who got into the platoon of boobs won’t pull the whole platoon, but a well-coordinated platoon will pull one moron.
  40. +1
    12 June 2018 23: 52
    carefully watching the video, and reading your comments, I want to add: platoon and team competitions in the framework of the Tank Biathlon are also held here! I advise you to carefully study the competition program. There is even a video where there are completely all the stages, including team ones! And if anyone doubts my words, then here's a video for you: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = 773GR9wpSJ8
    . Play the video from 23:49, and everything will become clear to you. Anyway, instead of a video where they are disposing of cars, it would be better to show how they shoot, climb the walls, go through the comb and water barriers, this will be shown by their combat training, and let the video about the platoon races also show if such races are they are.
  41. 0
    13 June 2018 00: 19
    By the way, here's another article from our site: https://topwar.ru/122097-pochemu-komand-stran-nat
    o-net-na-tankovom-biathlone-v-rf.html
  42. +1
    13 June 2018 09: 39
    The team of Ukraine, speaking at the T-84 Oplot, took the last, eighth place. On the first day of the competition, the tanks of the team had problems with the fire control system.

    Keep it up, brothers.
    This year, the discipline of overcoming obstacles in the form of cars was added to the competition.

    Tell someone the meaning of this exercise? Is there a problem for a tank to crush a passenger car? Or should it be done at a speed, and crushed, not thrown back? Or maybe it's for entertainment? Or reflects their military mentality, heroically fight with the civilians?