The government made a final decision on raising the retirement age.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev after the meeting of the Russian government, held on Thursday, said that the Cabinet had made the final decision to raise the retirement age for Russians.

According to the Prime Minister, the reform of the pension system will take place in several stages and will begin with 2019. During the implementation of pension reform, it is planned to achieve retirement for men in 65 years to 2028, for women it is planned to achieve retirement in 63 years to 2034. It was on this version of the retirement age that they decided to stay in the Russian government: 65 years for men and 63 for women. For some categories of citizens, the existing pension benefits will be maintained. Medvedev also added that employees with great experience will be able to retire two years ahead of schedule.

In a statement, the prime minister said that the decision on pension reform was long overdue and the upcoming reform would be aimed at raising the level of pensions above inflation.

Recall that earlier the government discussed two more options for raising the retirement age proposed by the Ministry of Labor: for men up to 65 years, for women - up to 60 or to 62 and 64 years, respectively.

Comments

[Astoria]

And those of you who survive will envy the dead!

[MPN]

According to the Prime Minister, pension reform

Here it is ....

[Borik]

Long live our humane government !. Hooray comrades! Now everything is at the point of distribution of rejuvenating apples or for pills from ailments and old age. And then someone will not live up to retirement.

[novobranets]

Quote: Borik

And then someone will not live up to retirement.

[aristok]

we are not to blame! ..as forced us!

[aristok]

Quote: aristok

we are not to blame! ..as forced us!

Is the Kadyrenish the same dwarf as uncontested?

[Anarchist]

One gang! And what do you think, why was the Russian Guard formed, why were all kinds of services created that were removed from under the main jurisdictions? Why so armed the Kadyrovites? For one purpose - to prevent a change of power, at all costs!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Borik

Long live our humane government !. Hooray comrades!

And everyone voted for him ..

[NordUral]

Thank you so much! Like those who did not come to the polls, too.

[Logall]

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

His word is worth nothing, excuse me. He promised so many things ....

[conservative]

He promised so many things ....

but in the end he destroyed the army, the military live beggarly, the country is starving and he drank all the gold reserves he got from Yeltsyn

So we live

[Sasha_Sar]

Teska please tell me, do you think my wife will live to be 63 years old (she is now 44)? He works as an operating doctor. He leaves for work at 6.00, arrives at 17.00. If on duty, it arrives the next day at 17.00. He does 3-4 operations a day, does not sleep at night on duty, receives and examines patients in an ambulance.

[NordUral]

She must, although it’s hard for her, but in spite of these ghouls!

[AnpeL]

The government made a final decision on raising the retirement age.

Finally!! I began to worry, how gentlemen, government officials live without another robbery of their own people. Tormented go, killer whales. Well now, of course, it will become easier for them

[saigon]

And this gentlemen capitalism is so typical, but who does not choose one outcome.
So we hit helmets through the squares for a darling Boriska alkanafta.
Until they fought for a bright capitalist tomorrow, now it’s served.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

If on duty, it arrives the next day at 17.00

You can work like that if 1. for good money 2. everyone around, including the bosses, works the same way

[Sasha_Sar]

“Good money” started paying since January 2018 (following May 2012 decrees), and before that it’s 20-25 sometimes 28. But this is not a salary, but premiums on compulsory medical insurance, can be canceled at any time, which they began to slowly reduce. To the authorities to one place, the problems of the Indians are not interesting to the sheriff. All who are from the department and above, already "political positions", provide the turnout and the result in the elections. In a nearby hospital, the head physician filed a declaration of income of 20 "Lyamov" for the year.

[notingem]

Shut up manager

[alexmach]

Most likely will survive, in my opinion the chances are great.
Firstly, the educated live on average longer than the uneducated.
Women are longer than men.
Engaged in intensively specialized activities, which again contributes.
He also works as a doctor, which means he knows something about health, and has no access to medical care (he knows exactly where and to whom to go with) ..

But for you I’m not so sure.

[Sasha_Sar]

Alexander, her father is my father-in-law, was also a doctor. He worked at the Central Hospital, died at age 62, the blood clot came off.

[alexmach]

Well I say

Women are longer than men.

It’s a little harder for us.

But in general it’s half the life to live on, on this pension it would still be nice to live at least a little for your own pleasure. My mother told me how my grandfather and grandmother retired early in Soviet times and still continued to work, went on pension money 2 times a year on vacation and joked "well, pensioners live."

And there is also a more important question. It’s not enough to live up to this pension, in the pre-retirement age you must also maintain your health if possible, and besides, you must also be able to find a job that suits you. Is it possible to get a job now after 50? Let not the super prestigious, the one that you are able to do well and live on income from it ...

[the most important]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

Teska please say what you think

Such people don’t think ... there, in the skull’s box, there are only slogans that come out loud with the loud URAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA !!!!!! Nurse, trolley bus driver, milkmaid. a teacher ... no one in these professions, like in hundreds of others, will survive to retirement. Voted for GREAT ??? Get in addition to Medvedev, Chubais, stools ... expensive gasoline and a pipe pension! Oh yes ... and 6 years of continuous tales of a bright future!

[Sasha_Sar]

My conscience is honest, I did not vote for the "guarantor". At the same time, in principle, I am not against him, but his rating would have to be lowered and the second round would be just fine. Then maybe the government has changed.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

do you think my wife will live to be 63 years old (she’s 44 now)? He works as an operating doctor. He leaves for work at 6.00, arrives at 17.00. If on duty, it arrives the next day at 17.00. He does 3-4 operations a day, does not sleep at night on duty, receives and examines patients in an ambulance.

Excuse me generously! Not in my rules! But, curiosity stuck. What is the salary of your spouse? Just where I "vegetate" at least $ 12 thousand .- $ 15 thousand, for such a Labor! + Honey insurance for all adult members of the Family.
With respect!

[Sasha_Sar]

I paint, the salary from September 2017 is 13 thousand Russian rubles, until January 2018 I received (thousand years of experience, a doctor of the first category) 20 thousand with 25 shifts per month. This is the average salary in our region. Since January 4, local officials with a “guber” at the head, had to finally comply with the May decree (2018) of the guarantor, where the salary of a doctor is prescribed 2012% of the average for the region. Now he gets about $ 200 per month. In April I went on vacation, received vacation pay according to a salary of 1000 thousand. Something like this. And we also have three children, 13, 14 and 12 years old. So the question arises, but is this money worth such stress if the children become orphans? At the same time, from the head of the department to the chief doctor, he doesn’t give a damn that the doctor is working (plowing) in such tension.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

And we have three children, 14, 12 and 6 years old

Yes, God bless you! You, Your Spouse, Your Children!

Quote: Sasha_Sar

So the question arises, but is this money worth such stress if the children become orphans?

No Values, this Brenny Peace!, Are not worthy of the well-meaning of your family!

[Fedoslov]

Yes, the military is quite poor. Z.p. 50000 p. It's a lot? And then, at any moment they will be thrown out into the street, without experience, without a specialty normal, hard. As soon as oil collapses in price, all this props will cease.

[Ros 56]

Yes, the military is quite poor. Z.p. 50000 p. It's a lot? And then, at any moment they will be thrown out into the street, without experience, without a specialty normal, hard. As soon as oil collapses in price, all this props will cease.

I absolutely agree, the military is completely unhappy people, and you exchange with men at our factories plowing for 12-15-20 thousand. Plus uniforms, plus food, plus free travel to the place of rest, plus free apartments (I understand that not everyone has it, but there is hope), but on the civilian he is all for what he has in his pocket. Enough of whining, no one will drive the sensible officer, and there are enough idiots from the authorities and a civilian.

[Shkodnik65]

Do not drive the blizzard, dear. I work at the Elektroagregat factory in Kursk. Workers, for example, in the assembly shop receive from 30 tyr. and up to 55. Like the military, hard workers receive differently. And keep in mind, no outfits, guards, business trips, exercises, personnel, etc. But there are free uniforms and food. By the way, no one will drive the sensible hard worker either, but he lives in his hometown, and not like the military: today in Kalinengrad, a year later in Mozdok, after three in Chita. Therefore, by the way, they also get apartments. And yet, contract soldiers, junior officers of nichrome do not fatten, given that his wife still needs somewhere to find work, and then - moving and again all over again. Something like that

[kebeskin]

Come on, I work as an engineer in a design bureau and 23 thousand rubles are our salary.

[solzh]

Quote: kebeskin

Come on, I work as an engineer in a design bureau and 23 thousand rubles are our salary.

I agree with you. I work as a department head in a commercial organization, I get 22 thousand rubles.

[Shkodnik65]

Yes, and this is the paradox. Yesterday, the girl got a job as a process engineer in the workshop, at 12 tyr. The head of the department receives from 20 tyr. But the hard workers, as I wrote above to 55.
By the way, the girl believes that she was lucky, because after the university, she worked at a gas station and at a weather station. For all that, she studied at the university at the Faculty of Nanotechnology. Nanotechnology, Karl! At the gas station!
They do not take youth, and now they will increase the retirement age.

[militia2]

She was really lucky. And I hope the girl is good! Still lucky, God forbid!

[vitvit123]

, no outfits, guards, business trips, exercises, personnel, etc. But there are free uniforms and food. By the way, sensible hard workers

And what is the problem of dress, guard? I lived in a citizen for 10 years in a car, on a business trip, in order to earn odnushka. And now in Dosaaf for 16000 rubles. I'm working. And he works up to 65 years. Recently, the instructor died at 57 years old. Dies on the road more, it turns out dangerous.
BEYOND Loud WORDS!

[Shkodnik65]

Where did you see the big words? What are their big words? Have you lived 10 years in a car? And for 7 years I served in a swamp, 40 km. from the nearest city. By the way, frogs lived in a natural swamp. The walls were freezing through, the stoves in the apartments were (this is about the issue of housing for the military, it turned out to be different) And what? My foreman spent all his service in the barracks (prefabricated switchboard house), along with the soldiers, a toilet on the street, a “shower” in the basin. Twenty-odd years! So what? Dear, you cannot prove or refute anything with examples. Do not squeeze a tear. Only the military can speak with skill about the life of the military, and even then not everyone can.
Yes, I earned a living in my apartment, though I became an invalid of 2 groups and underwent 4 operations, two of them being performed on my heart. And not one of my children went to the army. Mom and Dad took a sip of this "happiness" through the very nostrils for both ourselves and the children.

[vitvit123]

big words are clothes, guards, business trips - there is nothing special in them! Incidentally, I am familiar with the life of the military - nothing special, most do not. Therefore, many people have low pensions paid earlier and the police too. By the way, judging by our correspondence, you knock out a tear - you won over what conditions you painted. Once again it was a question of outfits, guards, business trips - there was both there and there - there is nothing in this, but I do not dispute your personal experiences.

[militia2]

So you write: "Do not squeeze a tear," but what themselves? Hard service, it is. But there are people in the civilian who can’t hack, “I speak with knowledge” and, believe me, it’s not easier for them. Pension, however, is usually less, but they all (whom I know) understand, yes, military straps are heavy.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Shkodnik65

Workers, for example, in the assembly shop receive from 30 tyr. and up to 55

55 thousand mb not bad for a lonely, healthy fellow without problems. for fun, how much tops do owners get?

[militia2]

There is nothing to argue here. It is not easy there, and it happens there.

[NordUral]

Yuri, do not talk about the military like that, we are all in the same boat, on the steering wheel of which the wrong person is sitting. It just so happened, people believed him, and he lied.
We all need to grow wiser, otherwise his accomplices will sit on the neck of the people.

[populist]

on the wheel of which the wrong person is sitting. It just so happened, people believed him, and he lied.
We all need to grow wiser, otherwise his accomplices will sit on the neck of the people.

But I wonder if the population will see the light after Putin has increased the retirement period.
Or they will scream like that - Hooray, Hooray, Hooray
HPP, HPP, HPP.

[Gardamir]

But I wonder if the population will see the light after Putin has increased the retirement period.

Let them try to immediately slip another regular dogs-bulk, or they will stir up Donbass-Syria ... Again, Solovyov and Kiselyov are not unemployed

[militia2]

Yes, everything goes to this. And then after all, it will be necessary to come up with something, where to get the money. And where else to get them?

[NordUral]

It will not see soon, but pension reform is only the beginning of a bright path for these creatures. Patience of the people is not infinite, someday it will explode!
But it’s better to let it go without riots, since the upper ones took care of protecting their loved ones, it is necessary in all elections, at all levels, but by the whole people, to push this organized criminal group out of power.

[the most important]

Quote: Ros 56

Stop whining, no one will drive the sensible officer, and grabs idiots from the authorities and in the civilian

And you, sir, do not know how to reduce entire units, battalions ???? And on a whistle, the officer must go and risk his life ?? And apartments are more a fairy tale than a reality ... and not all special services are provided with housing. But two days off a month is quite real.

[sdc_alex]

And the military has preferential retirement, which no one is going to cancel.

[iwakura]

This is a fairly good salary, a family of four lives quietly on it, a large loan is paid, a car is refueled and a house is built - this is from my own experience. I know many people, ordinary laborers in the factory, earn much less

[SSR]

Quote: Fedoslov

Yes, the military is quite poor. Z.p. 50000 p. It's a lot? And then, at any moment they will be thrown out into the street, without experience, without a specialty normal, hard. As soon as oil collapses in price, all this props will cease.

So it seems that until recently the price of oil has collapsed.
What is the sham in the army now?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Fedoslov

And then, at any moment they will be thrown out into the street, without experience, without a normal specialty,

And what? They can go to the guards, they will retrain for their money and go somewhere to school for 7-15 tyr., Well, maybe they’ll get to the GBR, there are up to 25 tyr. salary comes, sometimes ... A loader is still possible, but this health must be good. In short, there are many options, do not hang up your nose - midshipmen!

[militia2]

May God grant these options!
A case in life: two old women at a garbage can, sorting out vegetables thrown out by someone (lips painted on, dressed neatly): "But I roll the tomatoes like that ...".

[Tank hard]

Quote: Militia2

May God grant these options!

In this world, options can be very different ...

[saigon]

But the military gentlemen had to take the oath to the Soviet people in due time.
To defend their homeland of the USSR

[Gardamir]

To defend their homeland of the USSR

And who attacked? One for the fact that the whole center has collapsed, they have bounced off, there will be a larger Mausoleum.

[prapor55]

The mausoleum was wiped off just for the collapse of the Empire, and Stalin, for the creation of the Empire, was taken out of the mausoleum. Can this be historical justice? The grave of the Alconaut sort of rolled into concrete, a minimausoleum? I’m waiting for where they will bury me with restructuring. I was awarded with Lemon. God forbid, in the Russian land!

[NordUral]

And not the military either. We all swore an oath, but did not keep our words.
The mirages of a bright capitalist future have confused our weak minds with reason.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: conservative

He promised so many things ....

but in the end he destroyed the army, the military live beggarly, the country is starving and he drank all the gold reserves he got from Yeltsyn

So we live

Hey, conservative, how long would your liberals hold on to power if they continued to starve the army even further (after the EBN)? It even dawned on the most insatiable that it was impossible to do so with the armed forces ... There was only one sadness — the military have relatives who work as civilians, and they had to throw civilians on bread, and who knows how the guys with weapons will react ... They threw themselves up from the sale of subsurface resources, which they are doing now, simultaneously trying to reduce consumers by such “reforms”
You say the gold reserve, did you see it or did you tell it about the zombie?
ps you really look like a character, Kotovsky, who appeared on the site before the election, worked as a guarantor and disappeared after the election .. now again the elections will be .. at Edra

[conservative]

hear

what are you talking about here?

how long would your liberals hold on to power if they continued to starve the army even further (after the EBN)?

as much as you would like, because you ate in '96 and eat further. After all, Vasya? Or did you revolutionize 96? Or approved? Maybe you yourself? Liberal?

military revolutionary latent

You say the gold reserve, did you see it or did you tell it about the zombie?

I didn’t see you, although I know that the earth will not be impoverished with such here.
in general, leave your acting posts to your comrades in the struggle of the forum.

In general, after this phrase, I consider you sick. In this phrase all your essence.

now here again the elections will be .. u Edra wink

you will remain who you are, regardless of who sits in the Kremlin. And you yourself understand that. And your stench is not from the one who sits there, but from what you did or did not do with your life in place. In general, Medvedev is not to blame for his troubles - this is ridiculous and pathetic.

Available I think I wrote everything to you.

[conservative]

ps you really look like a character, Kotovsky, who appeared on the site before the election, worked as a guarantor and disappeared after the election .. now again the elections will be .. at Edra

and you remind me of Boris Moiseev. equally useful for the country and versatile)

[Tank hard]

novels, are you this?

[Reklastik]

it dawned that it wasn’t possible with the sun

- yeah, but with a whole country it was possible. And with the Sun - no, no! Are you not from Latin America?

[Logall]

So here it can be clearly, without unnecessary questions, to catch "in word"!

[Nasrat]

Quote: Logall

So here it can be clearly, without unnecessary questions, to catch "in word"!

Caught ... And what?

[conservative]

Caught ... And what?

Now they will arrange a military coup here. Marshals will go on the attack under the guise of generals

[Nasrat]

Quote: conservative

Caught ... And what?

Now they will arrange a military coup here. Marshals will go on the attack under the guise of generals

They wake up and calm down .. as in the whole world ...
It would seem to Spaniards to complain about a sin - their pensioners bathe like cheese in oil, life expectancy is on average 81,2 years - they now retire at 67 years old, so the government raises their retirement bar to 70 years old ... heh heh, capitalism !!!
Trust in yourself and your children, comrades ..
I hope you have more than two of them, otherwise it will be difficult for them to support their old people ...

[Xnumx vis]

quote = Nasrat] It would seem to the Spaniards to complain about a sin - their pensioners bathe like cheese in oil, their average life expectancy is 81,2 years, they now retire at 67 years old, so the government raises their retirement bar to 70 years ... ... hehe, capitalism !!! [/ quote]
And what is the percentage of youth unemployment in glorious Spain? And the unemployment rate among young people under the age of 25 reached 52% at the end of 2012; 56% in 2013. Jobs are occupied by people of retirement age .....

[Nasrat]

For 2018, unemployment affected 25,6% of the working population ...
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Quote: 30 vis

And what is the percentage of youth unemployment in glorious Spain? ...

All of Europe is famous for this ...- well, you want it to be like in Europe-get ....

[Archivist Vasya]

And what is the unemployment benefit in Europe and ours? Either blacks and any Arabs came to them ... And you don’t have to drive about prices, their visitors get it and live quite for themselves, and then they are still unhappy.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

And what is the unemployment benefit in Europe and ours? .

All the governments of Europe are doing this now ... They have identified this as a real problem ... especially in connection with arrivals from overseas .. but also due to the fact that their own youth put a bolt to work and continues to live at the expense of pensioners .. - In short, the rulers of Europe were puzzled. Let's see what they do ...
But in Spain, pensioners are really cool guys ... the tourist routes are only busy with them, the tour is coming up. the bus, and from it the grandfathers, grandmothers .. the next bus - and again the exact same picture, five minutes later the whole area was filled with them ...

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Nasr

You want it to be like in Europe - get

So for reference! In the North American Colony, Israel. A refugee who has received status and has a retirement age while not working for a day in the USA receives $ 750 + food stamps of about $ 170 + discounts on housing and communal services, travel benefits. If there are more pensioners in the family, then naturally All !, this is INCREASED !!! at the number of members of the Family.
P.S. The conversation is about the District of Columbia, Washington. In other states, the amount does not vary much.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: conservative

Caught ... And what?

Now they will arrange a military coup here. Marshals will go on the attack under the guise of generals

They wake up and calm down .. as in the whole world ...
It would seem to Spaniards to complain about a sin - their pensioners bathe like cheese in oil, life expectancy is on average 81,2 years - they now retire at 67 years old, so the government raises their retirement bar to 70 years old ... heh heh, capitalism !!!
Trust in yourself and your children, comrades ..
I hope you have more than two of them, otherwise it will be difficult for them to support their old people ...

it would be more honest to cancel the pension altogether ... and then for good for those whose experience will begin the day after the adoption of the law. And then the inverse force of the law is obtained - a person has worked all his life according to the same laws, but now the "digitalizer" and bam have come!
here, for example, a man retired at 65, his life span is 75 (let it be, although I doubt very much when looking back at others). That is, 120 months he receives a pension. At its current level of 10-15 thousand it is 1,2-1,8 million. The price of a one-room apartment in an average city. And for this good to plow all my life and give every month to the parasites PF ?? If this PF is liquidated, the state will also be in the black!

[Nasrat]

Do not look for the truth, she herself will find you!

[Leshy1975]

No one said anything about the coup. But the deprivation of GDP support, those who blindly believed in it (of course there is no question about you, you continue). It will give the country at least some chance of changing the current system. And how this can happen depends on how much the "current elite" clings to power with a "death grip". So you can humor as much as you like on this topic, but I don’t even deny that such moods will go far beyond the boundaries of the VO site.

[vadsonen]

But the deprivation of GDP support, those who blindly believed in it

A slave in galleys will serve his last term - and to sunny Germany to see his friend Gorbi. To your support ....

[Leshy1975]

Well no. There they can take away "everything acquired by overwork". You know, there are already such attempts abroad. So I don’t believe in it at all, although it would not be the worst option. And when the whole system of the "current elite" changes, if such a thing happens, the new one will, under the pressure of the people who have come to power, investigate the activities of the current ones. The logical result of which would be a real landing for a long time. But since there both family members and friends are “successful businessmen” and achieved everything themselves too, then together with families and friends. They will not agree to such a situation. So, everything will go to cling to power with all its might, and when it is no longer possible (that is, they will lead the people to the line) - then confusion. And do not think that this cannot happen. In 1989, if someone had been told that in 2 years the USSR would not be, they would have mistaken for a madman. And the Americans could not predict, overslept. And Lenin V.I. (the mind is still GREAT), also did not think that he would witness certain events. And Nicholas II, even more so, would not have sat at the station of the bottom, if he had not been sure that everything was under control. She’s such a life, often with surprises.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Logall

So here it can be clearly, without unnecessary questions, to catch "in word"!

It’s a pity, but I haven’t grown a “trap” :)))) In the right corner of the ring are all the law enforcement agencies and the only ruling party of the Russian Federation, together with the entire oligarchy of the country. In the left corner - Andrei from Chelyabinsk and few sympathizing with him
In general, we don’t have the strength to ask the president for all his promises.

[Leshy1975]

"In the right corner of the ring are all law enforcement agencies and the only ruling party of the Russian Federation"
And where does such information come from that there is 100% support for GDP? I don’t take the top, there it can and can be counted on. But ordinary people have every kind of mood. You know, they don’t live in a vacuum, they have relatives, friends, acquaintances.

"In general, we don’t have the strength to ask the president for all his promises."
Everything will depend on the mood in the society, for example, with 80% (again for example) dissatisfied, it is already difficult to maintain the situation in the country unchanged.
So, with calls to give up, there is no need to help GDP in the destruction of the country.

[q75agent]

I’ll support you, I met my guys literally today, they were trainees in my faculty at the beginning of the 2000s, they talked for life, they told me about their “troubles” so that they wouldn’t breed polemics for a long time .... what is happening in the country ..... the truth is to the question, but for whom did they vote, their eyes were lowered, I say they added that sn for a lot? at 1500 they say, well then, well done, that they voted like that, now wait for the length of service for 5 checks will be added and everything will be in a bundle

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Leshy1975

So, with calls to give up, there is no need to help GDP in the destruction of the country.

I just don’t call, it’s just strange for me to read the comments “but let's ask from a person who has seized almost all the power in the country” :)))) Personally ... well, I’m writing articles on the topic of what is really happening in the country, my comments too. And, of course, I did not vote for GDP. He voted for Grudinin - not because he looks like the president, but in protest and because of all the other "candidates" Grudinin does not look like the president less than the rest

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Leshy1975

So, with calls to give up, there is no need to help GDP in the destruction of the country.

I just don’t call, it’s just strange for me to read the comments “but let's ask from a person who has seized almost all the power in the country” :)))) Personally ... well, I’m writing articles on the topic of what is really happening in the country, my comments too. And, of course, I did not vote for GDP. He voted for Grudinin - not because he looks like the president, but in protest and because of all the other "candidates" Grudinin does not look like the president less than the rest

that’s why Grudinin was “devoured” - he did so many “troubles”! and now all claims against him have gone somewhere ... identity for him ... in protest ... but judging by how much he scored - I realized that our people in fairy tales about the good king believe that not everything convey to him ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Which, in principle, was necessary for our government. They needed a turnout and they did it. It was amusing to watch this whole performance with a "man from the people" who smoothly became a villain, an oligarch robbing collective farmers and hiding billions in Switzerland. Well, how can you not remember Mark Twain?

[Essex62]

An armed coup (1993 overthrow of the legitimate authority - the Supreme Council) is always done in order to establish a similar order. So that you and all of us quietly stood in a corner and did not rock the boat. Only the 1917 coup was for the benefit of the peoples of the Russian Empire, you didn’t heal right away, but almost immediately the working man felt like a man, but the restoration doesn’t understand the opposite. For most, a huge plus for the director of Russia, Putin and a handful of his homies.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, we don’t have the strength to ask the president for all his promises.

Low, you have opinions about the Russian people!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

But the Armenians shmogli. Ahahahahaha. Let's see how the replacement of awl with soap will help you.

[militia2]

Well, yes.
Once the gendarme asked young Lenin: “What are you rebelling a young man? After all, there is a wall in front of you!” He replied: "Wall, yes rotten, stick, and fall apart!"

[Per se.]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

His word is worth nothing, forgive me.

[figwam]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

His word is worth nothing, excuse me. He promised so many things ....

And Putin has already signed the law?

[dauria]

And Putin has already signed the law?

Do you seriously think that this is an initiative from Medvedev without the knowledge of Pu? Well, then this is a great joke from the president. Scared and canceled ... Come on, you even chose the time for the World Cup so that the trade unions and the Communists and Grudinin didn’t get out with protests (it’s already funny itself). And then suddenly the herd will understand that they are dragging him to the flock?

[figwam]

dauria

And where does the World Cup, the law has not yet been sent to the Duma, this business will be accepted for a long year.

[Freeman]

Quote: figvam

dauria

the law has not even been sent to the Duma yet; this business will be accepted for a long year.

Let me remind you that the EP has a constitutional majority in the Duma. And to pass laws at once in three readings, the Duma is not the first time.

[figwam]

Quote: Freeman

Let me remind you that the EP has a constitutional majority in the Duma. And to pass laws at once in three readings, the Duma is not the first time.

During the World Cup, the law will not be adopted, by the end of the year they can, that’s what I wanted to say.

[militia2]

It's a shame that the whole mind of these not stupid people, in general, was directed at whatever moment this law was filed! Are the masses already so debilized?

[Giants]

Quote: dauria

And then suddenly the herd will understand that they are dragging him to the flock?

Most of all I am amused by the confused, considering the descendants of the Sumerians a zombie herd, but categorically not noticing the pots on their heads.

[Freeman]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

His word is worth nothing, excuse me. He promised so many things ....

And Putin has already signed the law?

Imagine - yes, back in May 2016.

Federal Law of May 23.05.2016, 143 No. XNUMX-FZ “On Amending Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation in Part of Increasing the Retirement Age for Certain Categories of Citizens”

And now it’s the turn of the remaining categories of citizens.

[Letun]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

His word is worth nothing, excuse me. He promised so many things ....

Yeah, when I hear that someone reports on the implementation of the "May decrees", I just start laughing in my voice, who remembers which year these May decrees were voiced in? And with what fright after so many years are they still called May?

[Glory1974]

He promised so many things ....

So many things have been promised to you, but you are few and few ...........

[kakvastam]

That’s the reason to put Mr. Putin on the throne: a decision will be made, but the horses at the crossing will not be changed, so where to put it now? Only in kings!

[Leshy1975]

There are no horses! And about the donkeys in the saying does not say anything?

[solzh]

Quote: kakvastam

Only in kings!

Don't you feel sorry for him? I am not a supporter of Putin, but I would not wish him such a share.

[kakvastam]

Well, about twenty years with a little Yeltsin’s regent, they seriously thought of making it, but at first he drank too much, and then was completely tired, but not to give up the project ...

[militia2]

Sorry! And I feel sorry for the last king, who, as commander in chief of the army during the war, recanted!
But do not go if you do not know how!

[StVahmistr]

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

It does not cost anything ... The whole history of his presidency speaks about this.

[keeper03]

Well, the time has come to send DAM to resign!

[solzh]

I paraphrase a well-known saying: Who will dismiss him, he is also a protege and heir.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: keeper03

it's time to dismiss DAM

Dimon, only a performer.

[keeper03]

Yes, but the US CIA customer!

[YUG64]

The beliefs of any person change under the influence of circumstances. It was 15 years ago - that is, in a different reality. I think they didn’t catch it. I myself am not the same as in 2005, and this is normal ... But as for me - cool laid ... 63 to 60 or 58 - it would be much more humane ... Where are all these people to look for work at this age?

[militia2]

Well, they didn’t put it there! A pension is created not only and not so much from the contributions of workers, but mainly from that material structure, from the profits of those industries that created those retiring during their lifetime, as well as from the same industries created by previous generations! So did those retiring create nothing, or nothing work? So Medvedev, create the conditions for it to work. This is where to start!

[Eugene 1475]

And taxes will remain the same! We will only raise VAT https://m.lenta.ru/news/2018/06/14/20percents/

[Million]

If a word is worth no more than a sparrow's tweet. Yap it!

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ..

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

Perhaps he was mistaken or the words were perverted.

[_Ugene_]

on the one hand, 13 years have passed since then, the situation is changing and opinions can change, on the other hand, he said it is very concrete and confident, after such words they will remember after 20 years, it didn’t work out well

[militia2]

Yes, you are right, it seems to me. There are some general laws of nature, from which it follows that happiness cannot be built on the blood of old retired women, it will come back to haunt. Well, believers believe that it comes around only in the next world. But I know examples that this happens on this.

[11 black]

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

Dear forum users - do not be too lazy to spend three minutes of your time for the right thing. We must go to the site http://letters.kremlin.ru and express to Vladimir Vladimirovich his extreme discontent. In a polite manner. You can simply send a picture with his promise of 2005 of the year.
You can’t keep silent, this increase contradicts even our constitution! and personally, I am ready to go to a rally against this lawlessness!

[militia2]

Good offer

[free]

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

So everything seems to be clear, what else.

[sabotage]

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

So everything is simple: we change the position from president to king and voila!

[Giants]

Quote: Logall

The word for the "guarantor"! Let's see what his word is worth ...

Ha! St. Petersburg for the bazaar is not responsible! This is for their level. Believing a liar and (as it were, to put it mildly) balabol - do not respect yourself.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: MPN

According to the Prime Minister, pension reform

Here it is ....

Yes, that’s how sophisticated DAM took revenge on the Russian population for its low rating, which now will generally break through the concrete floors of basements.

[Muvka]

Throw me tomatoes, but getting women at 55 with an average life expectancy of 75 is too much. Where did you get the money for their retirement?

[conservative]

Where did you get the money for their retirement?

Gardamir will also be thrown off by other opponents of raising the retirement age. These same dreamers can only throw slogans about the fact that the increase is bad, but think why they increase it - you need to think about it.

If one of them were the president (grandfather fir, gardamir or svarog), they would have retired at the age of 32. They would give each a mansion and make gas at 15 rubles.

Travel would have lowered the fee, for a flight on an airplane would be paid extra from the budget. Well, they would have made a pension of 50 rubles.

Only give free rein, but the usurper Vladimir does not let their wet dreams come true.

Do you know why? Because he is bad and evil. I'm talking about the one that Gardamira and Dedupihto need to reel in order to find happiness

[milling machine]

Quote: conservative

Where did you get the money for their retirement?

Gardamir will also be thrown off by other opponents of raising the retirement age. These same dreamers can only throw slogans about the fact that the increase is bad, but think why they increase it - you need to think about it.

If one of them were the president (grandfather fir, gardamir or svarog), they would have retired at the age of 32. They would give each a mansion and make gas at 15 rubles.

Travel would have lowered the fee, for a flight on an airplane would be paid extra from the budget. Well, they would have made a pension of 50 rubles.

Only give free rein, but the usurper Vladimir does not let their wet dreams come true.

Do you know why? Because he is bad and evil. I'm talking about the one that Gardamira and Dedupihto need to reel in order to find happiness

Oh, retirement age advocates have begun to appear. I am sure that before the signing of this law, the guarantor - they will simply be darkness (they will throw money on the Kremlin boats).
Now I will explain conservativeif he is not a kremlebot of course.
Firstly: our life expectancy has not grown by as much as the Ministry of Health tells us. Well, it doesn’t happen that after a presidential decree to increase life expectancy, it grew by 5 years. This is taking into account the closure (association) of clinics and the massive shortage of doctors.
A sharp increase in life expectancy is a clear fraud with statistics.
Secondly: instead of raising the retirement age, a progressive taxation scale could be introduced. But - this is not our method, but how to rip off the rich.
Third: do not spend money on PR projects that do not pay off (OI and World Cup on football)

[conservative]

And now I’ll explain to the conservative, if he’s not a Kremlin boat, of course.

Kremlebot from the State Department receives a telegram

Secondly: instead of raising the retirement age, a progressive taxation scale could be introduced. But - this is not our method, but how to rip off the rich.

it’s immediately clear that you are a businessman from the bottom of your heart and that you are conducting large business in the Russian Federation and after the introduction of such measures, you decide to stay paying taxes in the Russian Federation. Yes.

What are you doing? If it `s not a secret? Production? Resale?

Third: do not spend money on PR projects that do not pay off (OI and World Cup on football)

After the Olympics, I went to Rosa Khutor 2 times by cable car and used the bridges and infrastructure that was built for the Olympic Games. And of course, I lived in new hotels and was pleasantly surprised at everything and the level that the domestic resort gave me

And about the World Cup and about how in Russia everyone began to engage in sports and how it became popular, too, everything became clear to me from your comment.

You should have seen what is happening on treadmills in Sochi.

In general, everything is clear with your explanations. Molodets. Submit a Grant Request

PS It would be better if they instead of sports put a beer stall near your house and led a cable car to it - and the remaining money would be added to your pension. This is clear

[milling machine]

Quote: conservative

it’s immediately clear that you are a businessman from the bottom of your heart and that you are conducting large business in the Russian Federation and after the introduction of such measures, you decide to stay paying taxes in the Russian Federation. Yes.

In other countries, they somehow manage. I wonder how?

Quote: conservative

What are you doing? If it `s not a secret? Production? Resale?

Production, military and space (but you won’t believe it)

Quote: conservative

After the Olympics, I went to Rosa Khutor 2 times by cable car and used the bridges and infrastructure that was built for the Olympic Games. And of course, I lived in new hotels and was pleasantly surprised at everything and the level that the domestic resort gave me

And I, with my salary, do not have the opportunity to relax in a ski resort in Sochi.

[conservative]

In other countries, they somehow manage. I wonder how?

like a depardieu.

Production, military and space (but you won’t believe it)

practice at the Institute in the East took place in Fryazino. So I think quite

And I, with my salary, do not have the opportunity to relax in a ski resort in Sochi.

Well, yes, space does not earn now.

[region58]

Quote: frezer

my salary there is no way to relax in a ski resort in Sochi.

So he does not write that he lived there:

Quote: conservative

After the Olympics, I went to Rosa Khutor 2 times by cable car and used the bridges and infrastructure that was built for the Olympic Games.

And so - yes, parking lots are available, if you want to relax from the steering wheel, then electric trains go regularly (with air conditioning), eating cafes is also quite democratic, a single ticket on the Gazprom cable car is in the region of a thousand and a half - for the whole day on any ski lifts. At least you’ll run in ... Beauty is incredible ... But I’ll be able to afford to live there.

[GRIGORIY76]

About fraud with statistics confirm. I know a concrete example. City of Rybinsk, my mother’s friend Outpatient clinic deliberately underestimates mortality in their reports. They told me about this 3-4 months ago.

[region58]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

underestimates mortality in their reports.

What is it like? You can certainly discharge the patient - he died not in the hospital ... all things ... But how to understate the general mortality rate? It is hardly possible to bury secretly. I mean on a scale to affect the statistics.

[StVahmistr]

Gardamir will also be thrown off by other opponents of raising the retirement age. These same dreamers can only throw slogans about the fact that the increase is bad, but think why they increase it - you need to think about it.

At 45-50 a big problem will get a job, what should a person do before retirement if they don’t take a job? But you certainly don’t want to think ..

[Essex62]

How to do what? With a brush on the big road, you will either jam a fat huckster or plant him and feed him there.

[Grenader]

Quote: conservative

to think why they increase it - it’s necessary to think the same.

They increase it because pension money is spent ... There is money to send to the stabilization fund, there is also redhead pederast to pay, it is not fate to introduce a progressive tax, and pensioners only need to eat up the budget.

[Giants]

Quote: Grenader

Grenader (Yuri) Today, 13:43 ↑
Quote: conservative
to think why they increase it - it’s necessary to think the same.
They increase it because pension money is spent ... There is money to send to the stabilization fund, there is also redhead pederast to pay, it is not fate to introduce a progressive tax, and pensioners only need to eat up the budget.

This is the best comment today, but you shouldn’t call Mr. Chubais that word. It turns out that our beloved president has some rear-wheel drive friends ... Not good ...

[twviewer]

so the president’s friends are a dime a dozen, and with billions mostly, in extreme cases, with cellos, which they deserved wealth, what talent they didn’t understand, but they refused to see a pension
and then a bunch of gaskets between a citizen and the state: these are insurance, and creditors and platons, and even the MFC, it would seem to remove the parasites and live ... yeah right now

[Gardamir]

why they raise it - it’s necessary to think the same.

But what did they think in the Union that they did not raise their retirement age, so the people wanted to rebel in capitalism.
About fifty thousand you joked in vain. But I would start by freeing Kvachkova, so that we move from the left corner to the right. Would cancel the increase in retirement age. Toll roads must be tied. Well, money in the state is not taken from treasuries but from the development of its own production. All this has long been known, and money will never come from theft.

[MPN]

Quote: Muvka

Throw me tomatoes

Already throwing ...

Quote: Muvka

Where did you get the money for their retirement?

Yes, to make the whole government the same pay as everyone else ..., it will be possible to lower the retirement age by 10 years ...

[conservative]

Yes, to make the whole government the same pay as everyone else ..., it will be possible to lower the retirement age by 10 years ...

let's count with a calculator? How much will fly to you if deputies receive less

And why only for 10 years wrote? Write at 30 already. What's the difference

[MPN]

Pschinte, Report the results later .. And I already flew ... :) Only for the increase in security "rulers" as a result of the calculations do not advocate, I do not understand, I say right away. :))

[conservative]

Read, Report the results later.

I thought there were already calculations. Well, since it took 10 years. I didn’t write it, but you. But there are no calculations - then everything is as usual here - they’re balabolit specifically

[MPN]

Quote: conservative

But there are no calculations - it means everything is as always - bags are turned over

Do you have them either? So how do you stuff yourself from others? The same bags ...

[region58]

Quote: conservative

let's count with a calculator?

Quote: MPN

Read, Report the results later.

In general, it is not very much ...

[Leshy1975]

Well, count: In the hands of about 0,1% of the population of Russia concentrated more than 60% of the total state of Russia. Ahh, earned? Oh well. So there is money in the country. Can we still add social justice to the state system?

[Mestny]

Add - how?
All select and share?
Who will share? Yours?

[free]

Quote: Mestny

Add - how?
All select and share?
Who will share? Yours?

Your friends are selecting and sharing among themselves right now.

[Leshy1975]

Well, firstly, you can share in different ways, but at least with a progressive taxation scale. But according to your mood, I see that the search for such methods is not interesting to you in advance. Well, let it remain as it is now. And 0,1% of the population will, after some time, own not 60, but for example 70% of the total state. Will it be better? And those who are not 0,1% of the population do not mind at all, no?

[free]

Quote: conservative

Yes, to make the whole government the same pay as everyone else ..., it will be possible to lower the retirement age by 10 years ...

let's count with a calculator? How much will fly to you if deputies receive less

And why only for 10 years wrote? Write at 30 already. What's the difference

And you’re ridiculous! And why should a deputy get disproportionately more than a worker? And your self-label has worked again, why do you think that I am calculating the benefit for myself from someone getting less? I don’t have to judge by myself. not selfish interest.

[conservative]

You are funny!

Well, there are people who smile for no reason. Sick)

And why should a deputy receive disproportionately more than a worker?

because the deputy is 400 people (whom you mean) - and there are 15 million workers

Wow huh? And why should a deputy receive less than someone who stands on a conveyor belt with secondary specialized education?

Because the competent worker who is behind the machine tool - put him on the salary of the deputy, because he himself earns decently

You would know how much a normal team leader gets. Or does he also not need to get more workers?

And your selfish label worked again, why do you think that I am calculating the benefit for myself from the fact that someone will receive less?

esteem yourself sickly. Turn on your head. You hope that having cut off from deputies (oligarchs, Martians, depardieu) the cut-off part will be given to you.

Well, either naive or sickly. there are 2 options

Justice is needed but not selfish interest.

Do you know why you are funny? because no one forbids you to make an enterprise and give most of the profit to the workers. Step on the throat of capitalism with this gesture. Break its essence.

But you can't do that. You want someone to be cut off - and then they gave you this part for dreaming of justice

So they laughed

[free]

Quote: conservative

You are funny!

Well, there are people who smile for no reason. Sick)

And why should a deputy receive disproportionately more than a worker?

because the deputy is 400 people (whom you mean) - and there are 15 million workers

Wow huh? And why should a deputy receive less than someone who stands on a conveyor belt with secondary specialized education?

Because the competent worker who is behind the machine tool - put him on the salary of the deputy, because he himself earns decently

You would know how much a normal team leader gets. Or does he also not need to get more workers?

And your selfish label worked again, why do you think that I am calculating the benefit for myself from the fact that someone will receive less?

esteem yourself sickly. Turn on your head. You hope that having cut off from deputies (oligarchs, Martians, depardieu) the cut-off part will be given to you.

Well, either naive or sickly. there are 2 options

Justice is needed but not selfish interest.

Do you know why you are funny? because no one forbids you to make an enterprise and give most of the profit to the workers. Step on the throat of capitalism with this gesture. Break its essence.

But you can't do that. You want someone to be cut off - and then they gave you this part for dreaming of justice

So they laughed

What would they take away from you and cut off this is your dream! If they are 400 and 15 million workers, they should automatically get more!? And I always thought it was necessary to judge by the results.
Not only are you funny, you are also stupid! Do you even understand something at all in what you write? "Create an enterprise and give more to workers, break capitalism with this gesture". I’m not even going to comment on this nonsense, since the stupidity of your words is obvious. It would not hurt to get hold of your mind before writing, I would have gone for being smart.

[conservative]

Create an enterprise and give more to the workers, break capitalism with this gesture. "I won’t even comment on this nonsense, since the stupidity of your words is obvious. It would not hurt to get hold of your mind before writing, I would be smart.

Oh, I see. someone must take the risks - and give you the profits for being smart hurt and for making more profit than yours.

If there are 400 of them and 15 million workers, they should automatically get more !?

smart, take and multiply 15 million by the deputy’s salary. And only the sick person will compare the sn of the worker and the deputy. Originally.
Therefore, do not even multiply.

[free]

Quote: conservative

Create an enterprise and give more to the workers, break capitalism with this gesture. "I won’t even comment on this nonsense, since the stupidity of your words is obvious. It would not hurt to get hold of your mind before writing, I would be smart.

Oh, I see. someone has to take risks - and give you profits for being smart hurt and for making more profit

If there are 400 of them and 15 million workers, they should automatically get more !?

smart, take and multiply 15 million by the deputy’s salary. And only the sick person will compare the sn of the worker and the deputy. Originally.

I laugh at your attempts, burn on.

[conservative]

I laugh at your thoughts on justice. Do you have any business with wage workers? With the tool that you rented to the workers?

I see that you are smart. So probably there is. How much do you pay the worker and yourself?

Or do you in theory dream of justice?

[free]

Quote: conservative

I laugh at your thoughts on justice. Do you have any business with wage workers? With the tool that you rented to the workers?

I see that you are smart. So probably there is. How much do you pay the worker and yourself?

Or do you in theory dream of justice?

They say 1 min. laughter replaces a glass of sour cream, consider I fed you sour cream and ask nothing in return (are you laughing?). As for work, I’m an employee and I don’t use hired labor, I myself am hired by the state. And I don’t dream of justice, I am implementing it to the extent possible (no, not in VO). You chose the wrong side of the barricades, in vain. Justice will triumph anyway, this is an objective course of history.
Are you still laughing? Take a spring, squeeze it as tightly as possible and see what happens next. I think you understand!

[barclay]

Quote: MPN

Yes, to make the whole government the same pay as everyone else ..., it will be possible to lower the retirement age by 10 years ...

Well, not like everyone else, but reducing it by a factor of two or three would not hurt to increase social payments.

[StVahmistr]

Yes, to make the whole government the same pay as everyone else ...,

For reference: - Mr. Miller receives 2500000 rubles a day. Well, how many pensioners can be made happy only at the expense of one Miller?

[Mestny]

Why, under capitalism, should Miller think how many pensioners he can make happy by tearing a piece out of himself?
You mixed up, outside the window for a long time not the USSR.

[Sergey ippon]

how do you enrage the fact that these pensioners built the entire infrastructure that these capitalists squeezed out.
You didn’t get it wrong? He tore off that money just from the pensioners, but the fact that now it’s not the USSR, it’s a pity - there you would have this gang of watering can against the wall and all the short life.

[Sergey ippon]

and the other mister 5000000 a month is a lope a year?
budget of the Vladimir region?

[sapporo1959]

By the way, after all, the guarantor said that Comrade Sechin should receive, like the leading foreign managers, but about us pensioners, who, if he follows his logic, should do the same as the leading foreign ones, for some reason he modestly kept silent as always .. One is glad that soon though his friend cellist will provide our children with balalaikas. I think that purchases are already underway and the wagons are loading ...

[shark]

And here I agree. Why are women leaving at age 55? They’ve been living all their lives on men's backs; Also retired at 55. I think it is enough to equalize the female pension with the human one. And the problem will be solved. All together we will leave at 60.

[Grandfather]

Quote: shark

And here I agree. Why are women leaving at age 55? They’ve been living all their lives on men's backs; Also retired at 55. I think it is enough to equalize the female pension with the human one. And the problem will be solved. All together we will leave at 60.

yes, we still make children for them for free, (we work) and then they don’t work, (ofigeli), then we distribute the head-slaps to the children sober, and the women again aside, anyway, yes: pay the MUZHUK additionally, Schaub was on fire ...

[freddyk]

Quote: Muvka

Throw me tomatoes, but getting women at 55 with an average life expectancy of 75 is too much. Where did you get the money for their retirement?

And where the Soviet Union took, there take.) At least. And then Russia is cooler. The USSR was breathing at last.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: freddyk

And where the Soviet Union took, there take.) At least.

Do you propose to return to 35 rubles of pension in the village?
Collective farm pensions in the RSFSR:

1965 - 12,5 rubles
1970 - 14,1 rubles
1980 - 34,8 rubles
1985 - 47,5 rubles
1989 - 75,1 rubles

Or to 20-25% of pensioners receiving minimum pensions?

The minimum collective farmer's pension since 1981 was 28 rubles, and before that 12 rubles. The minimum pensions of citizens were, respectively, 50 and 40 rubles per month.
Moreover, this is not some foreign slander, but the official data of the Soviet State Statistics Committee - "National Economy of the USSR in 1990 (Statistical Yearbook)."

[Grandfather]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: freddyk

And where the Soviet Union took, there take.) At least.

Do you propose to return to 35 rubles of pension in the village?
Collective farm pensions in the RSFSR:
zart

1965 - 12,5 rubles
1970 - 14,1 rubles of salary and utility bills, so that it would be correct. 1980 - 34,8 rubles
1985 - 47,5 rubles
1989 - 75,1 rubles

Or to 20-25% of pensioners receiving minimum pensions?

The minimum collective farmer's pension since 1981 was 28 rubles, and before that 12 rubles. The minimum pensions of citizens were, respectively, 50 and 40 rubles per month.
Moreover, this is not some foreign slander, but the official data of the Soviet State Statistics Committee - "National Economy of the USSR in 1990 (Statistical Yearbook)."

how much did they pay for light: -3 kopecks? and now?

[sapporo1959]

By the way, yes. And earlier in the village it was possible to live 12 rubles, it’s not strange, but today it’s 10 thousand and it’s in the best case, and it’s impossible to live with 8 thousand already. completely different. Previously, after all, they counted in copecks, but now for five hundred rubles they can only drop into turnips ..

[Sergey ippon]

not 3rd 2!
so that)

[Gardamir]

Do you propose to return to 35 rubles of pension in the village?

Isn’t it right now? In terms of.

[freddyk]

Quote: Gardamir

Do you propose to return to 35 rubles of pension in the village?

Isn’t it right now? In terms of.

Of course not, much worse. 35 rub for the village it is decent money. Workers in the city, and most of them worked at factories, factories, all their lives, and with dynasties, a pension in the region of 80-100 rubles. was. Yes, pensioners didn’t eat so much, they helped children and grandchildren. It’s not necessary to look at the numbers, but what people could afford to retire at a penny, communal services, transport (by the way free) products. My grandfather and grandmother could afford to go to the seas every year, as an example. Yes, there’s just nothing to compare. And there’s no point in counting on retirement now, in any case you won’t live on it, everyone works until the last

[sapporo1959]

Why not go if the Sakhalin pension used to be 120 rubles, and fly to Brest somewhere in rubles 167. Even once in three years, the road is free, and now only deputies and members of United Russia are free to make the most money raising us from our knees .. Here and now fly from Sakhalin to the Crimea with Sochi, if not a swan and a member ..?

[Gardamir]

Of course not,

a bit off the mark. I agree with you.

you need to look at the numbers, and what people could afford to retire with a penny, communal, transport

This is me who complains that he is not enough 35 rubles, but the pension of 11 thousand just right.

[Sergey ippon]

though they lived at the expense of state farms, meat and milk and feed were always there, certainly they didn’t drink this non-dairy rubbish and ate non-meat meat.

[barclay]

Quote: Muvka

Throw me tomatoes, but the output of women at 55 ...

Well. somewhere you are right.
More recently, there was news of a woman giving birth to triplets at 51 years old. It turns out that almost immediately after maternity leave, she can retire. Of course, this is a rare case, but fact is a fact.

http://vestiprim.ru/news/ptrnews/64767-zhitelnica
-vladivostoka-rodila-troynyashek-i-vpervye-stala-
mamoy-v-51-god.html
And apparently, it was no accident that such news began to be shown in anticipation of such a decision of the Government. In general, the psychological preparation of the population for this has been going on for quite some time - two or three years.

[Nonna]

Quote: Muvka

Throw me tomatoes, but getting women at 55 with an average life expectancy of 75 is too much. Where did you get the money for their retirement?

Where from? Why won't Medvedev and Co. introduce a progressive tax on wealth, like everywhere else in the world? Because this is their personal moshna and the moshna of fellow accomplices for cutting Russia. It’s easier to rob the silent people. How is Putin sleeping? not afraid to fry in hell, like his predecessor - Yeltsin? The government of the killers of the Russian people, led by a godfather.

[militia2]

Why is it a bust, not a shortfall? If a woman, for example, has three or four children, then she can be paid a pension earlier.
Tomatoes are still expensive, we can do without them.

[Vend]

I don’t understand how raising the retirement age can affect the financial increase of the pension

[conservative]

funds will be released that paid to those who have not reached the 65 summer age.

[Lord of the Sith]

It is true, again, how many pensioners will not survive between 55 and 65 years old.

[freddyk]

So I say, to live, and that happiness. And we will not die of hunger.)))

[Vend]

Quote: conservative

funds will be released that paid to those who have not reached the 65 summer age.

Those people who are already retired will not block pension certificates. So nothing gets out of nowhere. This is for those who were planning on a well-deserved rest this year, it will be an unpleasant surprise.

[forty-eighth]

Well then, you need to raise the retirement age to 110 years. And to pay a pension of 1 million rubles. And twist the box around the clock that we have all pensioners - millionaires. All 9 people ...

[sapporo1959]

It’s natural that they will be released. And according to the plans of the government, by the year 35, the pension should reach 25 thousand, forgetting however that in our country the tendency of capitalism is only on the rising line, as today, for example, with the same gasoline .. I already wrote that my father in 2003, I could buy as much as 2 thousand of average at those prices as much as I now by 11 thousand of my Sakhalin at current prices .. The pension in terms of money seemed to grow, but the purchasing part forgot to grow ..

[Don]

Quote: Wend

I don’t understand how raising the retirement age can affect the financial increase of the pension

Still elementary, the real number of pensioners will be reduced, because far fewer people live to 65 than to 60. And yet, the duration of pension payments to people who have already reached retirement will also be reduced by exactly 5 years.

[Grandfather]

The government made a final decision on raising the retirement age.

well, cho ... so you should ... (voted). what else to say ...

[Don]

you got the wrong address, I'm from the opposite trench

[Vend]

Quote: Donskoy

Quote: Wend

I don’t understand how raising the retirement age can affect the financial increase of the pension

Still elementary, the real number of pensioners will be reduced, because far fewer people live to 65 than to 60. And yet, the duration of pension payments to people who have already reached retirement will also be reduced by exactly 5 years.

And in Japan, retire in 70 years

[militia2]

And the hens are not milked there? In China, there was no pension at all, now, it seems, has begun to appear. There are many, which is different. But we are not in Japan!

[StVahmistr]

I don’t understand how raising the retirement age can affect the financial increase of the pension

We are talking about raising not your pension.

[Giants]

Quote: Wend

Wend (Anatoly) Today, 13:08 ↑
I don’t understand how raising the retirement age can affect the financial increase of the pension

Those who offer this crap do not understand this either But, if the population allows itself to be robbed, then why not?

[militia2]

I explain how I understand. Here, for example, if you make a retirement age of 90 years, then it is fashionable to raise a pension to 500 thousand rubles. And there will still be reserves to increase it.

[siberalt]

For the first time in my 65, I envy myself! Bravo to Putin!
However, vague doubts began to torment. But will they not take back what they have provided for food and those accumulated for the funeral?

[Lord of the Sith]

Moreover, those who are already retired will receive a pension increase of 1000 rubles a year.

[Don]

but to those who are not yet?

[Lord of the Sith]

They also will not be taken away, and there is a smooth increase in the retirement age and indexation of pensions for 10 years. 30% will increase the pension.

In general, I myself criticize this increase, but it is better for you to listen to Siluanov and other deputy prime ministers. All chewed told and shown.

[AA17]

"Here you are, grandmother, and St. George's Day." That is mundial or "complete muttz."

[Maz]

When will you get drunk then?

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Astoria

And those of you who survive

Live long! Live happily ever after! Russians! Like no one else, how you deserve a Worthy Life! In my humble opinion, not a single Nation in the World has suffered Just like the Russians !!! Not to One Nation in the World History and Fate was not so Cruel and Unjust as to the Russians and the Russian State! Take heart. They say the Lord God sends Difficulties to the Chosen.

[militia2]

Have a nice one you too!
It’s easy for us to rob people so far. Will you be in Spain - look at the donor-bearer in the Toledo Cathedral (200 kg of silver), the Spaniards made the Indians happy. You’ll be in England, take a look, there at the National Museum in London a whole ancient Greek temple was taken out on occasion. You will be in France, stop by in Monaco, there in front of the princely palace is a monument to the founder of the Grimaldi dynasty, the oldest ruling dynasty in Europe. In his hands under the cloak he does not hide the bottle - the knife with which the local garrison cut out. If you’re in Italy - go to St. Mark’s Cathedral in Venice, there is not a single thing that was not stolen in Constantinople, more precisely, there is only one - the icon of Palo d; Oro. (Mark himself, relics, by the way, the Italians also stole). Tired of listing. Yes, so we don’t have such monuments yet. We respect the law of God!

[bubalik]

Behind the solemn noise of the world championship there is no audible hum of discontent of the population about raising the retirement age ,,, and other ongoing reforms,

[AUL]

But the sixth column is quite expected - FOR!

[Normal ok]

Quote: bubalik

Behind the solemn noise of the world championship there is no audible hum of discontent of the population about raising the retirement age ,,, and other ongoing reforms,

It's nothing, they’ll arrange a war in the Donbass, then no one will talk about pensions at all.

[Grandfather]

Quote: bubalik

Behind the solemn noise of the world championship there is no audible hum of discontent of the population about raising the retirement age ,,, and other ongoing reforms,

ole-ole-ole, Russia, it’s all right ...

[alex81]

I would rephrase Russia, first ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: bubalik

Behind the solemn noise of the world championship there is no audible hum of discontent of the population about raising the retirement age ,,, and other ongoing reforms,

voooot ... finally someone thought about the same thing that I they even chose a day - a discovery ... people don’t care if they watch football and don’t care about some little things there! Come on ... a poor Russian people ... how did all the rulers "have" him ... and what is he, he is silent ...

[Eduard petrov]

Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich! I believed in you and you and your government did not let us down. Such an elegant decision after the election ...)))) there are no words, come on, burn more, the electorate deserves it!)))
In general, it’s not up to the social sphere now, the enemies are surrounded, we need rockets tanks, more tanks!

[conservative]

Such an elegant decision after the election ...)))) there are no words, come on, burn more, the electorate deserves it!)))

Edward needs to draw more smiles

In general, it’s not up to the social sphere now, the enemies are surrounded, we need rockets tanks, more tanks!

Why don't you live in Libya? there was a social network and there were no tanks. Or did you decide to give us such a thing here in Russian?

[Eduard petrov]

Some kind of nonsense, as usual. However, nothing smart can be expected, Zaputin people very rarely possess at least some significant intelligence, usually only the rudiments are present there, which, however, is enough to answer a question with a question. And this rustic manner of "poking" strangers ...)

[YUG64]

If a person has enough brains to call an opponent “zaputinets” - then one should not expect something “smart” in his address. Senka has a hat. And who would you vote for, dear? Well, now there is no worthy opposition in Russia, from the word " absolutely. "Such is the reality. Or did you have to vote for the clowns? That's when there will be a real alternative to Putin - then you can wait for other voting results. But it seems - not soon.

[Leshy1975]

I personally, but I know more people, did NOT vote for Putin. That there is no worthy opposition - he did everything for this. And profanity with debate, which can be looked at as the performance of clowns, is his merit. “That's when there will be a real alternative to Putin” there will not be any alternative with him, but not him, he will push through his own, as the EBN once put the right person. So it is necessary to change the GDP along with the entire system that has developed under the EBN. (with GDP, it outwardly mimicked a bit, but the essence remained the same)

[YUG64]

“Need to change” - do you want another revolution? With each such story, the quality of the Russian elite is steadily declining ... We were still very lucky in the 30s when Stalin defeated Trotsky and his ilk, and Russia might not have existed ... . Enough revolutions ...

[Leshy1975]

"" Need to change "- want another revolution? With each such story, the quality of the Russian elite is steadily declining."
Yes Yes. And bring the main argument - do you want the 3rd world? And make your eyes more expressive. But I think that the government itself (yes, with GDP at the head), with its indefatigable greed, is just pushing the country into turmoil.

[YUG64]

My eyes, it seems, are not as expressive as yours. Would you calm down for a start. Or am I lying in something? Why are you so sure that those whom people like you bring to power will not destroy the country at all? Example of Ukraine - not for the brave, I understand ... Something will definitely come out better for you, and abroad will help you! And you think others are not far off ... PS When I really don’t like something and want to smash everything, I’m going to the workshop to work and calm down. I advise you, too.

[Leshy1975]

Yes, that's what we are different. What is watching, what is the matter. You are ready to do nothing, if only it would not be worse. And I'm ready to do what would be better. Give an example with Ukraine? Well, give an example from the USSR?

[YUG64]

To begin with, understand for yourself what and how you want to do it. And what does it have to do with this, excuse me, the USSR? How old are you? It seems that you are much younger. We then sincerely believed that capitalism is better, approximately as you now believe that your actions will certainly improve something. An example with Ukraine - be honest - is much more modern. And closer to us from any point of view. Do not like it? Well, I'm sorry, few are happy with the truth ...

[Leshy1975]

I want a change in the state’s course towards the further enrichment of a small group of the “elite” by robbing the rest of the population. I did not believe in the USSR that capitalism was better. And the truth is that everything needs to be done on time. Do not lose Yanukovych’s sense of proportion, and listen in time to the requests of society (go tell the Ukrainians that Yanukovych did not deserve his fate), and the situation could not be brought to a boil. And now we begin to repeat all their mistakes.

[conservative]

And I'm ready to do what would be better. Give an example with Ukraine? Well, give an example from the USSR?

What did you do in 1996?

[Leshy1975]

In 1996, I was an excellent student at the university.

[militia2]

Revolution is not necessary, but justice must be restored. Maybe, as you propose, to be lucky again, as in the 30s, or maybe somehow differently.

[Mestny]

That there is no worthy opposition - he did everything for this. And profanity with debate, which can be looked at as the performance of clowns, is his merit.

You at least understand that with such a passage clearly and unequivocally confirm the thesis of the absence of the so-called the opposition of the brain both at the leadership level and at the level of ordinary adherents?
I am sure that you do not understand absolutely.

[Leshy1975]

I am not ready to discuss the whole opposition, it is too different. And so who has so many brains in his head, too. But here is the fact that some of the "greats" not only did not condescend to a debate (well, it’s not a royal matter), but did not even send their representatives (if it’s not clear, I hint hard about GDP). This, as a voter, frankly offended me. And on the part of GDP, it looked like: That I will crumble before them and will not go anywhere. Well, yes, this, about the elections and the opposition, is already an irrelevant topic. Apparently in a mild version, without distemper, we will not succeed.

[StVahmistr]

Well, now there is no worthy opposition in Russia, from the word "completely"

It’s just that the normal opposition has been buried for a long time. An example of the presidential election in 12, the party "Air Defense" Starikov not registered for some reason ...

[YUG64]

Yes, I remember .. A dirty story. The party of Starikov would have real chances, because she was buried ...

[Essex62]

There will be no real alternative.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Some kind of nonsense, as usual. However, nothing smart can be expected, Zaputin people very rarely possess at least some significant intelligence, usually only the rudiments are present there, which, however, is enough to answer a question with a question. And this rustic manner of "poking" strangers ...)

mmmda ... the plight of Russia ...

[Don]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

However, nothing smart can be expected, Zaputin people very rarely possess at least some significant intelligence, usually only the rudiments are present there

Well, why do you offend all Zaputintsy? All those who settled down well in this life also voted for him in unison. They, like smart people, of course see the hypocrisy of power, theft, corruption, etc. But they understand that under a different government they will not succeed in profiting as much as today.

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: Donskoy

Quote: Eduard Petrov

However, nothing smart can be expected, Zaputin people very rarely possess at least some significant intelligence, usually only the rudiments are present there

Well, why do you offend all Zaputintsy? All those who settled down well in this life also voted for him in unison. They, like smart people, of course see the hypocrisy of power, theft, corruption, etc. But they understand that under a different government they will not succeed in profiting as much as today.

I mean those who wipe their fingers behind the clave for him and the authorities in general, are ridiculous ... But those who quietly do their work, they are not “zaputintsy”, they just caught the moment and there are few complaints to them, they simply joined the system.

[Mestny]

What, it’s impossible to join the system? Not allowed to the trough?
This happens.
Here the question is simple - either people like you, or everyone else. Because people like you, if they get to the feeding trough, in other words, they will consume three throats of power. Well, everyone else will naturally be declared enemies.

[freddyk]

What, it’s impossible to join the system?

Yes, many did not succeed. Who sincerely believed in the ideas of socialism, and was not a careerist. Such as my father, having all the possibilities, he couldn’t take out the nails from the factory and didn’t give others. And he raised me like that. And then, all of a sudden, criminals, thieves and speculators became an elite in an instant. How can an honest man be rebuilt here. And personally, I respect those who could not, although it is not sweet to them. The main thing is peace of mind, isn’t it))

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Mestny

Here the question is simple - either people like you, or everyone else. Because people like you, if they get to the feeding trough, in other words, they will consume three throats of power. Well, everyone else will naturally be declared enemies.

How exactly did you describe the behavior model of the current government. Apparently you know firsthand, they fit into the market, found their place at the feeding trough.

[militia2]

But why then do they offend everyone else? Do you really believe that you can earn lemon a day by honest labor? And you think that the question: “What are you doing ..., do you have a conscience?” Is offensive?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

And this rustic manner of "poking" strangers ...)

What is - that is, Edward.

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich! I believed in you and you and your government did not let us down.

Plus for self-criticism.

[Best wishes]

VV and Demona nearest rocket to Mars ♂

[Filxnumx]

Why don’t you want to communicate with them on Earth? Give Mars to him

[Praetorian4]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich! I believed in you and you and your government did not let us down. Such an elegant decision after the election ...)))) there are no words, come on, burn more, the electorate deserves it!)))

Quote: Eduard Petrov

And this rustic manner of "poking" strangers ...)

It's five. Immediately obvious significant intellectual.

[Mestny]

In this news, they talked about just like on "Echo of Moscow".
Boil fans to the fullest.
I imagine if their masterminds seized power, what would be happening here. What kind of pensions are there? On the pillars would be hung "political opponents," that is, all those who are objectionable.
It has already been in history, many where.
So these songs about justice and unfit power are recognized from the first words.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Eduard Petrov

Some kind of nonsense, as usual. However, nothing smart can be expected, Zaputin people very rarely possess at least some significant intelligence, usually only the rudiments are present there, which, however, is enough to answer a question with a question. And this rustic manner of "poking" strangers ...)

why is it nonsense, just like in the good old days - they hesitate along with the "party line" and pass it off as patriotism ... as a rule, these are people close to the "feeding trough"

[Parade]

Ministers and top-level officials can do it, and you won’t be able to expel them in 80 ... and hard workers, half will not live up to the dog, especially in harmful production conditions and a third will be fired nowhere for health reasons ....

[StVahmistr]

especially in harmful production conditions

Harmful nets are eliminated, vacations are reduced ...

[Parade]

Moreover, it will be possible to forget about the exit by hazard in 55 years.

[private person]

And only in VO dissatisfied? The Russians are the same genocide of their own people !!!! I need this mundial I want to retire at 60.

[Muvka]

Well, go to another country where they retire at 60. By the way, call me one.

[private person]

Why should I leave?

[Muvka]

Well, you want to retire at 60. What is the country where you retire at that age?

[forty-eighth]

Why should we focus on other countries?
Or rather, why should we be guided by other countries in the question of PENSION AGE?
Why do not we see how things are with hospitals, roads, salaries, with officials in other countries, but choose our own special path, but how about fines or retirement age, so immediately “look like they have” ?!

[Muvka]

Yes. Let's not focus on other countries and make a pension in 20 years. Do you agree? As for everything else, just everything is constantly blaming the roads and hospitals. And for some reason they were silent about retirement.

[private person]

I was born in Russia, served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, continuous work experience (with all kinds of contributions to the state) is the same in Russia. And why should I look for a country where the pension is 60?

[BAI]

What is the country where you retire at that age?

Yes, not the best countries. But pay attention to life expectancy.

[Muvka]

The old tablet. Now we have an average duration of almost 73 years.

[tv70]

Unfortunately, among my friends, who died prematurely, up to 73 surviving units. With that, I can’t take it upon myself to say that all drunks and unhealthy lifestyles are quite decent people, but for 3-5 years they’ve been retired and that’s it.

[Muvka]

That's why it is average, and not maximum.

[albert]

Quote: Muvka

The old tablet. Now we have an average duration of almost 73 years.

Lies, zvezdezh and provocation. Russia is 102nd in the world in terms of quality of health care and takes first place in the world in oncology. Why should such a life span?

[militia2]

The figure may be more with time. But for this it will be necessary that some of the most frail people die, including from diseases, from hard work, from worries, etc. Then the rest will give a figure and higher. You will have to wait.

[Best wishes]

Germany come out when you see fit

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Muvka

Well, go to another country where they retire at 60. By the way, call me one.

Hatred Ukraine))) Which is about to fall apart, well, a little bit more))) I worked in Ukraine for 25 years and leave at age 60. France was 60 years old, they wanted to raise this year, I don’t know.

[Muvka]

It’s strange. In the tablet above, and old, in France it is written that 67-65. Maybe you are just poorly informed?

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Muvka

It’s strange. In the tablet above, and old, in France it is written that 67-65. Maybe you are just poorly informed?

62,5 years for men and women, all the same raised in 2023 will be 67 years for both sexes.
http://pensiaexpert.ru/novosti/razmer-srednej-i-m
inimalnoj-pensii-vo-francii-vo-skolko-ee-platyat-
v-2017-godu.html

[Muvka]

https://mirfrance.ru/kakoj-pensionnyj-vozrast-vo-
francii /
And here they write that the duration is 76 years. And the experience should be 40 years. And so a full pension from 67 for men and 65 for women. We also have many who begin to receive a pension before 60, incomplete.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Muvka

https://mirfrance.ru/kakoj-pensionnyj-vozrast-vo-
francii /
And here they write that the duration is 76 years. And the experience should be 40 years. And so a full pension from 67 for men and 65 for women. We also have many who begin to receive a pension before 60, incomplete.

"The retirement age in France is 62,5 years for both men and women with an average life expectancy of 82 years. After raising the retirement age from 60 to 62,5, a wave of rallies took place in the country, but this did not change the decision of the government. But for representatives of certain professions, such as miners, have the opportunity to go on vacation earlier, railway employees can also exercise the same right; people who have become incapable of work due to an injury at work; former prisoners of concentration camps; who have begun working up to adulthood. This includes some art workers. Despite the right of every Frenchman to receive a pension, in order to rely on the maximum size, you must work at least 40 years. For each missing year, a decreasing coefficient is applied. Of the maximum amount of the pension in this about 1,2% is deducted for each missing quarter of work experience. "

[Muvka]

And this despite the fact that the life expectancy (according to official statistics) of both men and women is within 76 years.

[militia2]

Average - 82,5!
You will be there, in the southern Departments, on occasion, ask if they have a siesta after lunch (in our opinion, an afternoon rest). And how long the lunch itself lasts, for example, in banks. I will not write here, the people will not believe, they will say, I’m lying.

[Best wishes]

In Germany, the same thing

[BecmepH]

Quote: private person

And only in the unhappy? Russians are the genocide of their own people !!!! On hu * I need this mundial I want to retire at 60.

They ran into a warning. I was punished because I called Alexander Romanov (as he wrote his nickname) called Shurik (and he signed Sanya), illiterate, ignorant and troll

[Grandfather]

Quote: BecmepH

Quote: private person

And only in the unhappy? Russians are the genocide of their own people !!!! On hu * I need this mundial I want to retire at 60.

They ran into a warning. I was punished because I called Alexander Romanov (as he wrote his nickname) called Shurik (and he signed Sanya), illiterate, ignorant and troll

it’s an old, bearded Troll, when yes, it was “Sank” and “Shurik,” but after having bitten it, colleagues simply call the “novels” the reptile ... hello, “novels” ... remember me? yes, yes, yes ... and I "love" you, don’t write to the mail, I delete it without reading, so you’ll be angry with your fingers ..

[Filxnumx]

at age 60: Yes to hell to me on retirement, give still to work!

[Xnumx vis]

We will die in the workplace! "They," hate their own people.

[Giants]

Quote: 30 vis

We will die in the workplace! "They," hate their own people

They belong to another people, to the Jewish people, and they cannot hate it a priori

[Runoway]

Where are you Patriots, MedvePuty ??? Let's rejoice and look for a multi-way.
The course of this presidential term for improving the welfare of citizens (apparently elected):
-benz (and products as a result)
retirement age is also up
It’s scary to imagine what benefits come next
For beautiful show-offs of the tsar to pay as always to lackeys

[canurodes]

There is no money for pence, but you hold on to 65

[Shurale]

All guys, it's time to take up the pitchfork ....

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Quote: Shurale

All guys, it's time to take up the pitchfork ....

And in the field?
If the law on raising the retirement age were adopted in conjunction with the law on the execution for the export of capital from the country, then one would have thought.

[Shurale]

But do you understand that such a mating will not be?

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Quote: Shurale

But do you understand that such a mating will not be?

We will have to raise this issue under more favorable circumstances.

I am very skeptical about the liberal-market wing of the government.
But one plus in the irremovability of power is still visible, is continuity.
The period is now special (although they told me that Russia has no and never had other periods)
If our rulers decided on the changes that led to the year 2014, then they are given the cards, as they say in their hands. Now they are still clinging to the old "market" schemes that are of little use for Russia, they are hoping for Russia's further entry into the "world economy", but reality will prompt other solutions. I hope so.
Sanctions should help a lot.
In the 17th year, the “hated tsarist government” was thrown off, but was it easy for ordinary people to live? In any case, they also ate a quinoa, and counted the work-days.
There was no other way out.
From the point of view of any government, even Soviet, even liberal, the good and satiety of the people is, if not the tenth, then deeply secondary.
Well, pitchforks .. Our trade unions are completely "manual", employers have no problems with them. The bulk of the people and do not understand why they are needed. Many write statements and quit unions.

[militia2]

And sometimes there was no quinoa.
The goal was. And there was also what one old woman formulated on the train when answering my question about how they lived before: "Under Stalin, every day it was a penny cheaper."
About the Soviet you are summarizing it in vain. For example, the people's commissar of food, Comrade Tsuryupa (also, apparently, a Ukrainian) fell into hunger at a meeting of the Council of People's Commissars and was sent to a sanatorium for two weeks by a special resolution of the Small Council of People's Commissars. Everything was. (Yes, about the later distributors and about the Holodomor, after the cattle in the eastern provinces were cut out upon entering the collective farm, I know you can’t write.)

[Best wishes]

The smartest man, a dreamer

[Nelepost]

This event suggests that for a very long time the government, led by Medvedev, has not been able to cope with its responsibilities, since it cannot do without raising the retirement age, and means that it is not going to cope further.

[Leshy1975]

Why is it that only "the government headed by Medvedev is not coping with his duties," Medvedev appointed and agreed with the government, who ??? How much more can you hear this half-truth with hopes for some half-measures. And to say directly that they made a big mistake (he voted for him for the first two terms and in 2014 he again believed) in the personality and abilities of the GDP itself, is it scary?

[q75agent]

waited, but everything is stable

[Mountain shooter]

Hard. But, apparently, "locked"!
It’s not just that when the pension fund has nothing to fill.
Personally, I'm not going to this beggarly pension. How much strength is enough.

[militia2]

And you are not alone.
And, apparently, he pinned it down, about which Medvedev said the truth: “There is no money”, etc. Well, it is necessary to solve this issue not only at the expense of pensioners.

[parusnik]

Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day! ... This 18th World Cup will never be forgotten on that very day the government decided to spoil the people’s holiday ... Thank you, dear government! .. There is no money. but you hold on ... Yes ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: parusnik

Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day! ... This 18th World Cup will never be forgotten on that very day the government decided to spoil the people’s holiday ... Thank you, dear government! .. There is no money. but you hold on ... Yes ...

don’t be so naive ... this followed logically from the previous few months - they held on to the elections with all their might ... and they chose the day not in vain - cool psychologists are in our power, everything is played out according to the notes

[parusnik]

And who argues, honestly, I thought on June 14 one of two events will follow or Vkraina will attack LDNR or they will pass the law on pension reform .....

[militia2]

I’m very afraid that some more justification for the pension reform will be needed, well ... (I won’t write further).
Here, after all, the aforementioned psychologists will also have a hand.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: parusnik

And who argues, honestly, I thought on June 14 one of two events will follow or Vkraina will attack LDNR or they will pass the law on pension reform .....

yes, everyone in their hearts hope died last - until the end I did not want to believe in the insanity of the government ... to the heap even if the second event ... then the full mundial will be

[vladimirvn]

First gas. Then retirement age. And for a snack, for those you have one more bun.
Raising VAT to 20% from January 1, 2019 will bring the budget more than 600 billion rubles. per year - Siluanov
Moscow. June 14th. INTERFAX - Raising the VAT rate from 18% to 20% will bring the budget more than 600 billion rubles of additional revenue per year, said First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation - Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, speaking at a government meeting on Thursday.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: vladimirvn

Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, speaking at a government meeting on Thursday.

According to the Federal State Statistics Service, there are citizens in the country whose salary exceeds 100 rubles - 000. If the government calculated the minimum level of salaries at 1 rubles, why can't these servants determine the maximum level and its need? If for each of 700 (as opposed to 000) you save 11, then a year you get 163x1x700 = 000 rubles. This is the annual budget of Moscow.
While the people will moo and bleat they will milk and cut ...

[reservist]

Quote: ROSS 42

... per year, it turns out 100 x 000 x 1 ...

what did they offer?
from anyone who gets more than 100 to deduct 000 every month?
those. if the salary is 105, then, net of 000, will you get as much as 100?

[Best wishes]

This is not all Demon with waldemarom, they will show you Kuz'kin Mother

[edeligor]

Quote: vladimirvn

First gas. Then retirement age. And for a snack, for those you have one more bun.

I was struck by a Kozak - we will not let gasoline go up to 100 rubles! Guardian bl ....! And yet, I don’t remember who said it, but the point is that when those in power call for patriotism, then write lost, plundered EVERYTHING! I did not believe, laughed !!!!!

[militia2]

Why did you laugh? I’m here, maybe so old, but I also found the so-called "default". Not very funny, at least I was.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: vladimirvn

First gas. Then retirement age. And for a snack, for those you have one more bun.
Raising VAT to 20% from January 1, 2019 will bring the budget more than 600 billion rubles. per year - Siluanov
Moscow. June 14th. INTERFAX - Raising the VAT rate from 18% to 20% will bring the budget more than 600 billion rubles of additional revenue per year, said First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation - Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, speaking at a government meeting on Thursday.

they’ll “correct” tariffs for the communal apartment - it’s time already, otherwise the picture is incomplete ... most likely after the mundial (the same word was invented!), on the closing day it would be symbolic ...

[vladimirvn]

Oh, I don’t have time to get a pension. A year is not enough. So I’ll go like a donkey for a carrot on a fishing rod.

[militia2]

God grant that to go, even with a donkey, at least by someone!

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Militia2

God grant that to go, even with a donkey, at least by someone!

they’ll kick the kicks ... until retirement ... and there - die yourself - save the future pensioner ...

[DRA-75]

Chubais is very happy ... He has long been trying to launch a hand fluttering in the Pesion Foundation of Russia! Another nanotechnology invented to reduce the number of Russia ..)))

Well, we will survive !!

[Best wishes]

That's who rules Russia - Chubchik golden.

[Baloo]

Well of course, thanks. access to pension, about 5 years for doctors and pharmacies and in the cemetery. I'm not exaggerating, look at the report on average life expectancy in Russia. Or maybe the pension fund spends too much on itself or on the government itself and Medvedev? That's where the potential is.

[alekc75]

Pensioners' palaces have been set up - in them there are sea cabinets and every loafer with a computer !!! cut them and officials cut salaries and money will appear!

[Andrey591]

Forgot to say 20% VAT!

[Archivist Vasya]

Shhh! Tipun to your language) In general, this will be the next stage, I don’t know how much they will deliver, but what exactly will increase.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

Shhh! Tipun to your language) In general, this will be the next stage, I don’t know how much they will deliver, but what exactly will increase.

late with pips ... already ...

[16112014nk]

Quote: conservative

If one of them were the president (grandfather fir, gardamir or svarog), they would have retired at the age of 32.

Ballerinas at the age of 35 retire. Here is a surprise for them from their native pr-va!
Our capitalist ministers seem to have the handbook The Adventures of Cipollino. Ideas pr-va clearly from there.

[militia2]

You're wrong. A wave of managers of this litter is only on the way to the Government. These read Russian folk tales, as a stepmother squeezed her stepdaughter from the light. That worked, worked, but all is not enough ...

[Alex66]

The stinginess in government overcame common sense. Or maybe the owner gave them (GDP-DAM) a command, but the order is not known to be discussed. It is interesting that further paid secondary education, curtailing free medicine.

[basmach]

And then, based on the results of digitalization, an electronic collar around the neck and long live the slavery of 2.0. Everything is as with technology. The resource worked for the landfill 9 i.e. in the cemetery)
What has developed. The very same 18 March voted for them. Trust credit say. Here you have interest and are paid on the loan. Enjoy it. Or go to the mirror and spit. And add- No one but us is to blame. What would be honest even when alone with myself.

[Alex66]

Well, I don’t know how he scored 76% among my friends and those with whom he talked more than half did not vote for him, I believe the propaganda did their job 20% less, and the options were chosen correctly. And the Communists, as always, merged the elections.

[Essex62]

There are no Communists in politics now. When stating a real communist ideology, the complainant must ring in hard labor because he is a state criminal undermining the foundations and violating the basic law - the article of the constitution on private property.

[basmach]

And I saw how he dialed. He entered the commission with a decisive vote. He counted the votes. I went to the polls with an urn. And before the election, he talked with many (and friends not). And smart people, after all, but everywhere the same thing. Well done GDP, raised the country, added pensions. The government is bad. Here we choose it again, trust and believe, he will not deceive. Trusted, trusted, chosen. Only no one wants to remember the history of 20 years ago - in pursuit of cars, apartments and a sweet life, memory (along with brains) has dried up. That in 98 the prime minister was Kiriyenko (“Kinder Surprise”) and the crisis was his merit. And eliminated and raked this shit Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko. And certainly not Putin. This triumvirate for 8 months of its work pulled us then and did so much that we still use it. And then they were removed and who came to everything ready ?. Right future "savior of the fatherland." After all, the measures of the triumvirate just began to give a positive effect. As they say, on someone else's hump he entered paradise. And slowly, drop by drop, these measures were removed by 18 years. Well, the propaganda inflated. But their brains then. Thinking who will be uncle?

[Shuraken]

Help the pension fund, die now ...

[kakvastam]

It is necessary to breathe strictly upon reaching retirement age!

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Shuraken

Help the pension fund, die now ...

maybe it's time to launch such a hashtag?

[tv70]

something like this...

[q75agent]

Quote: Shurale

All guys, it's time to take up the pitchfork ....

no leader, who to follow .....

[Shurale]

If there is a leader, they will immediately kill him, it is necessary without a leader.

[Gardamir]

no leader who to follow

will you go? Or again say the wrong one?

[q75agent]

I’ll go, and when I didn’t say “not that” and for this I just voted for everything and then we were taken for absentee ballots, voted ahead of schedule “voluntarily - forcibly”, because on election day I was not on duty at my house, and to be honest, then it wasn’t before politics .....

[Runoway]

And now, without emotion, in the end they will get a big pussy in the budget, through the "N" th number of years: because taking into account all the risks mentioned above (life expectancy and the final penny) right now, black salary and deductions from the minimum wage will flourish

[viktor.]

I have to live a long time, a friend promised me to buy a motorcycle from the first pension

[Nehist]

Yeah ... Considering that after 40 years it’s hard to get anywhere at all, now employers can pay the bare minimum, all the same people will not go anywhere now, otherwise they will not see pensions !!!

[Leshy1975]

Quote: conservative

Where did you get the money for their retirement?

Gardamir will also be thrown off by other opponents of raising the retirement age. These same dreamers can only throw slogans about the fact that the increase is bad, but think why they increase it - you need to think about it.

If one of them were the president (grandfather fir, gardamir or svarog), they would have retired at the age of 32. They would give each a mansion and make gas at 15 rubles.

Travel would have lowered the fee, for a flight on an airplane would be paid extra from the budget. Well, they would have made a pension of 50 rubles.

Only give free rein, but the usurper Vladimir does not let their wet dreams come true.

Do you know why? Because he is bad and evil. I'm talking about the one that Gardamira and Dedupihto need to reel in order to find happiness

About wet dreams. Well, come on to harsh reality. Whoever of you Zaputinians will explain here are such simple questions that I have: As a result of increasing pensions. will an increase in unemployment occur? And the pressure on the labor market and the level of salary? There are a lot of jobs where the salary is 15-18 thousand, even in cities and rural areas this is also normal. At this pressure, does the salary increase or decrease? Putin also said that this is to increase wealth. : “Russian President Vladimir Putin at a press conference commented on the idea of ​​raising the retirement age in the country. According to the head of state, the payment system“ needs to be balanced because there is a risk that pensioners’ incomes will be reduced. ”
And no one, especially those working, will have it? Once write about the dissatisfied, "and think why they raise it - you have to think about it." Just think and answer. VERY waiting.

[kakvastam]

There is one misfortune: there are not so many people who now retire immediately after reaching retirement age, and it is unlikely that in ten years the situation will change for the better.
So, perhaps, such a sharp increase in unemployment will not happen, especially if the officials are smart enough to limit the import of slaves from Central Asia.

[Nehist]

They have the mind to legitimize that if you work then you do not receive a pension, in general, either a salary or a pension! Look what savings for the budget will be !!!

[Runoway]

Quote: parusnik

This World Cup 18 g will never be forgotten on that very day that the government decided to spoil the people’s holiday ...

What holiday ??? Another humiliation thanks to our snickering team. I root for the Saudis, so that rather than kick in the ass of these freaks and there was no word about them in the media

[Masya masya]

all krants ...
and in Soviet times it sounded like this:
We do not need sun
The party is shining for us
We don’t need bread
Come on work !!!

[Olegovi4]

First, the gasoline commotion. now retirement. did they really decide to try the Russian maidan? on "th such a government!

[Ross xnumx]

I represent the lustration of the Medvedev government ... The boiler is closed tightly, the woods burn hot ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: ROSS 42

I represent the lustration of the Medvedev government ... The boiler is closed tightly, the woods burn hot ...

imagined ... and my soul somehow became easier ... I just can not come closer to see ... so many people with firewood!

[Fedoslov]

Which maidan? On the knees? Can serfs protest without elementary self-esteem? It was worth it and be silent!

[revnagan]

And how they mocked over Ukraine. Now they have become even more similar. Although not really, you have braces, unlike us.

[Alex66]

But the goals of what is happening in Ukraine and in Russia are the same: desovetization, enslavement of workers, capture and sale of mineral resources ... Only our packaging is different. At the same time, there is a process of self-destruction of people in the Donbass who can organize resistance. Ukraine went a little ahead, demolished the monuments to Lenin. It will end as before: We have a rich country, but there is no order. Only now the Varangians from the north will now rule, but the people from the south.

[Fedoslov]

Well, the voters? Are you satisfied?
So you need it. People should be responsible for their actions. By the way, this is a characteristic feature of the current ruling regime - to throw those at the expense of whom those in power chew. Mostly elderly people voted for Putin - get on the head.

[private person]

So the elderly are retired and they are guaranteed an increase.

[trophy]

In general, it is quite expected and in the spirit of our beloved leadership. Why should one wrinkle one’s mind and figure out how and what to change in order to earn money on a national scale? It’s easier to shave the main limp, amorphous and therefore unrequited mass. Well, about the criminality of the thought of the possibility of giving fat from "fat cats", I’m completely silent. By and large, the essence is not in these positive years, but in relation to their own people, and more precisely to the electorate. They wanted to cut for those 75 percent (or how many actually were there, or drew) that actually left them in power. Gentlemen are happy with everything, you yourself know what happens to the problems and aspirations of blacks. It's only the beginning. Welcome to stability so coveted by many!

[LVMI1980]

Well, I don’t know ... sitting in retirement by turning on the countdown is not for me.
closer to my active lifestyle

[Lesorub]

Quote: LVMI1980

Well, I don’t know ... sitting in retirement by turning on the countdown is not for me.
closer to my active lifestyle

Travel, find a hobby, open a business; or Work - and live your life working for the Sovereign.)))

[viktor.]

Keep

[militia2]

Correctly. I assure you that most think so. But once there comes a moment when you feel that the string is tightened, you need to relax more, otherwise it will break. Someone earlier, someone later. And here it is, you get such gratitude for your work. Not fair!

[kakvastam]

As the great Khazin said: "Give birth, there will be no pensions!"

[Cottager452]

It is more correct to play pensions in the lottery:
once a year on the 1st channel. Lots from 10000 to 1 million.

[Lesorub]

According to the Prime Minister, the reform of the pension system will take place in several stages and will begin in 2019.

Medvedev reported to Trump !!! )))

[Alex_Bora]

"There will be no tax reform!"
Get a change in VAT and insurance fees!
"Of course, it is necessary to raise the retirement age, but be careful!"
Get the toughest of the options offered.
And gasoline is generally a separate song from the lips of M. Leontyev, saying that it’s more profitable for us to sell for export. Yes, spawn, our gasoline was not exported. Only a trickle of diesel fuel through Khokhlandia from Tatneft, and that in 2014-15 blocked. To sell gasoline for export, you need to build new refineries or upgrade old ones. And, if my memory serves me, only 1 or 2 refineries were modernized. The rest work on the Soviet legacy.

All our (post-Soviet) leaders are similar. The deadline, so it is necessary for people to "do well." And then, you look and squeeze can ... maybe ...

Ehhh, the country lacks Stalin ...

[Boris55]

Medvedev never hid his desire to increase his retirement age. All who voted for his party in elections of all levels, incl. and the Duma, I want to ask - where were your brains when you ticked off the EP in the ballots? And now, is Putin your fault? Madhouse !!!

[Leshy1975]

“Medvedev never concealed his desire to increase his retirement age. Anyone who voted for his party in elections at all levels, including the Duma, would like to ask - where were your brains when you ticked the EP against the ballot? And now you have Putin to blame? Madhouse !!! "

And who reassigned Medvedev and approved other members of the government? Or can I? Madhouse really.

[StVahmistr]

And now, is Putin your fault?

And who else? Pushkin?

[Boris55]

Quote: Leshy1975

And who reassigned Medvedev and approved other members of the government? Or can I?

Quote: StWahmister

And who else? Pushkin?

Do you think that with a constitutional majority in the Duma of the EP party, which is chaired by Medvedev, it would allow someone else to be appointed?
For your information:
The President does NOT have the right: to form and appoint a government without the consent of other authorities.
Constitution of the Russian Federation. 103 Article
1. The jurisdiction of the State Duma includes:
a) giving consent to the President of the Russian Federation for the appointment of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;

[forty-eighth]

A Th think, guess. He would nominate, and the Duma would reject. Then we would have believed in your bullshit about the fifth column in power and the infantile king.
And so in all cases, it turns out that they are there at the same gang, and your pathetic attempts to come up with a confrontation where it is not there are ridiculous and ridiculous.

[Boris55]

Quote: forty-eighth

He would have nominated, and the Duma would reject

Are you missing 93?

Quote: forty-eighth

Your pathetic attempts to come up with a confrontation where it does not exist are ridiculous and absurd.

It looks like you voted for EP
By opposition. What happened to Libya when Medvedev was president:

And what happened to Syria when President Putin, we all see.
And you dare to say that this is one and the same?

[forty-eighth]

Libya is torn by civil war and there is no trace of past welfare ...
Syria is torn apart by the civil war and there is no trace of past welfare ...
So what, you say, is the difference?

[Boris55]

Quote: forty-eighth

So what, you say, is the difference?

If you do not see this, it makes no sense to explain it to you.

[forty-eighth]

What your imagination painted for you is not an adequate reflection of reality

[Lesorub]

Quote: Boris55

And you dare to say that this is one and the same?

You can say anything !! )), the main thing is the result and result. There are a lot of psychological techniques, and the same political and economic.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Boris55

Are you missing 93?

No, for the 98th. I remember that Yeltsin repeatedly nominated. Seleznev neighing. Also, by the way, the mundial was.

[militia2]

No, not funny and not ridiculous. You are also a Man.

[cast iron]

The rams never had brains, although they think differently))))

[Sash0]

In principle, I didn’t hope for her anyway. For self-sufficiency 2 mortgages pay now :-))
It's a shame of course, but expectedly, they talked too much about it, and there is no smoke without fire. It is only a pity that not everyone will be able to live to 65 with work, but I vaguely imagine working at 63 years old (I work in the oil and gas sector). Is it interesting for women to work at 60? I agree that their life expectancy is higher, but who will work at 60?

[cast iron]

At construction sites, janitors, security guards, in the government !!! Russia is a country of opportunity !!!

[militia2]

I think you're right. If it’s human, then along with raising the retirement age, it would be necessary to develop, for example, partial forms of employment, half-time, etc., more broadly. I would like to hope that this will continue.

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

The enemies of the people in power, under Stalin, put such rulers against the wall. Anti-people law from the government.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich

Enemies of the people in power

Look here:

Looking at the numbers in the red frame, I wonder:
"IS OUR POLITALITY TOWARDS OVERLOW POWER FOR US?

[Archivist Vasya]

It’s great how Putin announced the “joyful” news to the championship. True, given that the pension is cheap and the state of our health care is not too much of a disaster, we just won’t see it, and we’ll suffer less. Total in Russia now does not need the elderly (as well as people with disabilities) who SHOULD state, and only those who can work are needed, and only until then they are working properly.
PS My father voted for Putin and at 56 he cannot find a normal job, but now this is also. Well, let him even think about his choice ...

[Strashila]

"In total, Russia now does not need the elderly (as well as people with disabilities) who SHOULD have the state," ... the elderly do not need those who remember how they were under the USSR.

[militia2]

Damn, why die everyone? Your father voted because he saw at least some stability that had not existed for a long time. And it seemed to him - this is the main thing when he looked at the circus of the other candidates, issued, generally speaking, on purpose.

[Varyag71]

It was reported that VAT was increased to 20%

[Alexey Lesogor]

In the fall, in many constituent entities of the Russian Federation, elections to regional representative bodies are held. Yes, the party of power will be rewarded and those who support them in this matter.

[Nikolaevich I]

The "policy" of the ruling regime of power can be characterized by the words: When a hyena wants to eat its offspring, it seems to her that it smells like a kid!

[BAI]

Who would doubt that age will be lifted. The best citizen is a person who pays taxes all his life and dies on the day he retires.
But I admit this option:
If silence - everything rolls. If a dangerous noise rises, the good king appears on the scene and cancels the unpopular decision.
How to make a person well? First, to do poorly, and then return everything as it was. No cost and everyone is happy.

[Alexander War]

41 min 44 sec incomes are falling Propaganda Forward for Medvedev's salaries are growing

[Strashila]

Here he is the evil grin of capitalism ... the last achievements of socialism are being destroyed. Man is not part of society, but a means of production with self-propagation ... he has worn out in the cemetery.

[militia2]

There is no, so to speak, ideal Marxian version with the working class, but, you are right, the laws and grimaces of capitalism work. Time, however, works against capitalism.

[igorserg]

in Akurat AFTER the election.

[Alexander War]

So it’s been clear for a long time to hang noodles on your ears before the election and then cut off the money from the population! Putin also said that he was satisfied with the economic bloc of the government, but the fact that the bottom has no brains, from the word, how to develop a country

[100502]

What else would you expect from these bastards ...

[net0103net]

Well, what should they lose - Putin’s last term, since he allows them to do it — must be done, and then scattered.

[Altona]

Quote: conservative

Why don't you live in Libya? there was a social network and there were no tanks. Or did you decide to give us such a thing here in Russian?

---------------------
And what about Libya? In Libya, there were Deripaska and promissory notes with Abramovich? Want to help Abramovich directly? Who's stopping you? By the way, freedman wanted to bankrupt UVZ, and you babble about tanks here. The training manual then Putin must be read to the end.

[100502]

I hope the gdp does not come off like the ENB, so easily, but there will be a trial and execution.

[GRIGORIY76]

It’s tough, but if in the future corruption facts are revealed and confirmed with the same gas industry and construction gas installation ....

[Sergey ippon]

come on)
build a center named after the gdp, like yeltsin)

[net0103net]

Shitty saboteur !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get out of Russia !!!!!!! (((((((((((((

[RainTNT]

An increase in pensions by 1 thousand per year will spur inflation, and a 20% VAT will increase product prices. The Central Bank's policy of reducing purchasing power will stabilize inflation at 4%. Let's tie our belts and belts tighter and rush into the demographic hole. 8 extra years for women and 5 years for men will fly by. But we will increase labor productivity by 1,5 times and become attractive to investors. I am not Putin, who promised not to raise the retirement age while he is president, but I can say for sure that the IMF has the concept of gender equality and I promise you that by 2025, both women and men will retire at 65. Or maybe 70 years.

[net0103net]

You are looking at the root of the problem, dear...

[Oleg133]

In fact, in an equal state, women should retire later than men, and not equally, and certainly not earlier. They have a longer life expectancy

[militia2]

Wait about women. We should figure it out ourselves first.

[Xnumx vis]

Once you start, you won't stop! Shameless! Okay, who is older.. And our children and grandchildren will have to die at work.. No shame, no conscience. Quite mean to people.

[Nix1986]

Right now the stubborn ones are attacking Dimon - the boyars are bad, but the tsar is simply not in the know

[Simon]

Quote: Astoria

And those of you who survive will envy the dead!

If there are any survivors left at all!

[Yves762]

And they also say VAT up to 20%...

https://ria.ru/economy/20180614/1522693970.html

[LUCKY777]

THE LADY says that the retirement age is being raised all over the world and in general and all that, but they are silent about salaries and pensions there, did he compare them with ours, or does he judge everything by his undeserved salary? The government is not coping with its responsibilities, so they are going to ruin our lives even before we turn 65 in their warm places. Let's give them all our pensions, let them take the whole pack to their England or some island, and we will finally hold fair, competitive elections. This government deserved a 5+ resignation.
I remember once he, I mean Dmitry, said that we should reach the European level in gasoline prices, and so in Finland, which is poor in natural resources, it costs about 1,4 euros, about 110 rubles, well, We are waiting for another surprise.

[Z_G_R]

Let's raise the retirement age for those who voted for Putin? There are still 77% of them... a lot and more, but we’ll leave those who are against it as it is. And everyone will be happy.

[Dobroslav2015]

This is not the government, these are vile LGBT people. But apparently this is exactly what we deserve.

[Blue fox]

Lovely. In Yandex, when you type the phrase “how to refuse...” now the first hint given is “how to refuse contributions to the pension fund.”

[tv70]

Put the bureaucrats on the pension of hard workers, I wonder how many additional people can be supported in retirement?

[Ross xnumx]

There are many more retired officials themselves.

Why in Russia does a person who left his health in a hazardous occupation receive a pension of 10-15 thousand rubles, and some official who spent his whole life sitting in an office receives 50 thousand rubles? High pensions for officials and deputies are ensured by federal laws that they wrote for themselves. This is an insurance pension for the common people, but for civil servants it is considered completely differently. Nobody converted them into points. Upon retirement, officials receive 55-75% of their salary, depending on their length of service. Their salaries are high, and their pensions are decent. And it is not the Pension Fund that pays them, but the federal budget. At the municipal and regional levels, local deputies, mayors and governors prescribe in laws various allowances and additional payments to pensions. One head of the city set his future pension at 320 thousand rubles, another at 260 thousand, a third at 245 thousand. And the majority of pensioners in these regions receive 13 thousand rubles a month. Do you think this is fair? What kind of pension should officials have and what should it depend on?

Website for disabled people “Door to the world” https://doorinworld.ru/novosti/pochemu-u-chinovni
kov-pensiya-bolshaya-au-pensionerov-malenkaya-

[militia2]

At one time there was a so-called “maximum party”, when managers could not receive much more than subordinates, then it was abolished (even under Stalin, there were arguments). It is possible that the time has come to introduce it again.

[Vadim237]

They won’t be able to introduce this law in private offices, but now 70 percent of the total population works for private traders.

[viktor.]

Quote: kakvastam

Not many people now retire immediately upon reaching retirement age, and it is unlikely that in ten years the situation will change for the better.

[b][/b] A lot of people do not retire because there is simply no one to replace them.

[Oleg133]

Lord, what a blessing that Putin became our president! I did it, I won! Can you imagine what would have happened if he had lost? The pension would be raised to 70 years.

[Guru]

White salary! White salary, otherwise there will be no pension. Why is she white? What’s the point if you don’t live to see retirement. They are talking about 65 now, wait in 10 years and they will talk about 70. There is NO money in the pension fund, but there IS the Crimean Bridge and the Mundial. Soon we will begin to build Sakhalinsky, and we will modernize BAM.
GIVE A BRIGHT FUTURE.[i] [/ i]

[Vanek]

He still has the final say. And we'll see there.

Chatter too?

[militia2]

Yes, I'm interested too. It will be a shame if the fears are confirmed.

[Skarpzd]

yay!!! waited!

[vladimirvn]

The next step is the abolition of pensions for working pensioners.

[Skarpzd]

or abolish pensioners altogether.... no, but what are they...

[Eduard petrov]

Quote: pormezan

Putin is a thief and a lying dog!

Are you kidding...

[conservative]

Putin is a thief and a lying dog!

I saw you having sex with a dog in the forest, Alyosha

Are you kidding...

And Eddie stood nearby and shone a lantern. I thought a strange picture and hastened to retreat from this gloomy place.

[alex81]

In my opinion, they decided to raise it steeply for women. They still give birth to children, and they don’t stand next to each other, but they provide child care benefits for up to 1,5 years, and then what......

[Chaos]

Where is the weighty word of the “defender” of the people, Comrade Zyu? So that you are no longer seen or heard! I'm telling you this - Zyuganov!!!

[militia2]

Do you think it will be the people's responsibility to go on the rails?

[Sibiryak13]

When will they get drunk? Or do they want to drive the people to the axe?

[Skarpzd]

So why were you worried? half of us simply won't make it. so it's okay - we'll deceive everyone..
and the PRESIDENT has not yet said his weighty word. right now, a little while later he will appear on TV... when he will give everyone a boost. and will immediately reduce the Wishlist to 60 women and 63 men.

[gukoyan]

Well, they voted for the Schniks, take it and don’t whine... By the way, I didn’t go to the polls at all.

[Owl]

Insatiable bastards... The parasites of the “authorities” are only becoming more gluttonous and bolder... They will feed on the media, the National Guard and the “electronic voting system.”

[aristok]

It’s not our fault, Ramzan made us

[Skarpzd]

ha... the first one is already being promoted. in time it will show everything just for. and as quickly as possible.

[Skarpzd]

only:
1 - State Department agents
2 - fifth column
3 - damned commies
4 - damned liberals.
didn’t forget whom? all the rest voted for GDP and cannot be opposed by definition.

[Skarpzd]

and yes... it’s still good that, despite such idiots like me, they chose GDP. otherwise the damned liberals raised the bar until they were 70-80 years old.

[GRIGORIY76]

Personally, I think that raising the retirement age is the best thing that has happened to Russia over the past 18 years. Just imagine, the backbone of Putin’s electorate - people from 40-50 years old will now retire much later, at the same time, old people who are already pensioners themselves have chosen to raise the retirement age for their children and they understand this. Both of my grandmothers are still alive (both voted for Putin and both proudly admitted this to me) sincerely cried that their children (my parents) would retire much later.
It would be nice if the freed up money was used to increase pensions, or, for example, to restore the prestige of a teacher. I'm afraid that this money will go to the security forces, Timchenkos and Rottenbergs.
So guys, you made your own choice and you won’t live long enough and your children won’t see your untouched savings.

[militia2]

I also think it couldn’t be better.
F. Abramov has a story. They dispossessed the old man, took away his son, his cow, etc. He sat down on a tree stump and sang, “Oh, Dunya, Dunya, Dunya! Don’t hang out with the sailors, they’ll fill your head with all sorts of questions.” Come on, let's sing too!

[Alexander Ra]

The “elite” is satisfied with established cash flows, and, apparently, there is no need to expect a mobilization economy. Raising the retirement age - “the top can’t do it” - the climax of power.

[Opera]

Quote: sapporo1959

By the way, the guarantor said that Comrade Sechin should receive the same as foreign leading managers, but about us pensioners, who, if you follow his logic, should do the same as leading foreign ones, for some reason he modestly kept silent as always.. One good thing is that soon at least his friend the cellist will provide our children with balalaikas.

I specifically highlighted here this squeal of a stoned duck under the Belarusian flag accusing Putin. Note not Lukashenko, who has already raised the retirement age in his country! Apparently it’s scary to blame Lukashenko, despite the fact that the Belarusian pension is significantly less than the Russian one! To be honest, I don’t want to particularly comment on the words of the comrades under the Azerbaijani flag, whose residents are pouring into Russia in the millions to feed their families! Like other representatives of the former Soviet republics!
The situation has developed where in Russia today there are 120 pensioners for every 100 working people. There are only two solutions to this problem! Either stop indexing pensions or double the payments of employers to the pension fund! This is an objective problem and it must be solved very thoughtfully, and not bawled!

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Oper

The situation has developed where in Russia today there are 120 pensioners for every 100 working people. There are only two solutions to this problem!

What makes you think that there are only 2 solutions to this problem? There may be 5 of them, but you, like the government, don’t see them.

[Opera]

Tell us about these 5 pieces! This is an objective situation! The ratio between those working and those not working dictates this situation! Why lie then?! I don’t have any special sympathy for Medvedev, but the accusations must be fair! Besides us and Uzbekistan, all post-Soviet republics have already raised the retirement age. I'm speaking from memory, but I think I'm not mistaken. The current retirement age was set in the 30s! Back then, the average life expectancy of men did not reach 50 years! The communists here, under red flags, are not happy with the fact that in Russia this value is much higher?! Why all this lies on topic here! But it is very difficult for us to emerge from that demographic hole, despite all the serious measures taken in the country! Can you tell me about maternity capital?! And let all these lovers of building socialism, before babbling about justice, remember which government was the first to “liberate” a woman, so that she was the FIRST in the world to legalize the murder of unborn children! And then in the USSR this generally became the norm, and now, as soon as a voice is raised that such a situation is not acceptable, there is a wild howl from the left about discrimination against women! And is it Putin’s fault that there is no one to work?! And also the communists, you always give us great communist China as an example... Please tell me what percentage of Chinese elderly people generally receive these pensions?! Guys, you need to read more, be interested in life and history, and not listen to loudmouths who, since 1917, climbed onto an armored car and never got off it! Let's take it off. It's time. And further. How many pensioners do we have now?! They will receive an increase in their pension. Are you against it? I'll work some more. Nothing.
The normal situation is when there are at least 150 workers and 100 pensioners.

[Leshy1975]

Is this a normal situation? data for 2017: Rosstat published operational monitoring of the civil service. In some regions, the statistics were perceived as a mockery of common sense: in the Oryol region, for example, the ratio of able-bodied Oryol residents paying taxes to government officials receiving salaries from the budget is seven to one. The pension supplement for officials is provided in the amount of 75% of the average earnings for years of service in the state structure, and if previously you only had to work for 3 years to qualify for this bonus, then from 2017 the period is increased to 10 years. Now even if you want, you won’t be able to kick out many.
Are you sure there are no reserves?

[Guru]

Opera (Igor) Tell me the Russian Smart guy

National treasure

How does Russia have it in Belarus??? Or, other currency receipts? Belarusians simply have no other choice, but Russians (Russia) have them. And our national treasure DOES NOT OWN US, all shareholders are either foreign or especially close to the authorities. About oil companies, the same story. And so everywhere you look. AND IT IS TRUE

[Opera]

Tell me, smart guy who calls himself a teacher, what kind of help does Russia provide to Berussia from these very national riches?! Maybe it won't help?! And tell me, a Russian, smart guy, where can we get those 30 missing people per 100 unemployed?! Do you know that Russia is also forced to spend colossal amounts of money on the defense of Belarus, including under sanctions, from which some of our allies are also profiting?! And you smart guy still remember the May decrees, what are they about?! This is in such and such conditions and in such a “friendly environment”? And yet, look at the amounts (free) our “anti-people authorities” pay for maternity capital to increase the birth rate?! Why didn’t the “people’s” authorities of the USSR think of such a thing?! It would be much easier now!!!! And don’t spend crazy amounts of money on maintaining the third world and the corrupt socialist camp to the detriment of your own people!

[Sergey ippon]

you are mistaken - it is not used to support corrupt socialist camps, but to support the grown-up oligarchs near the Kremlin, who have their hands in everything popular.
This parasitic class lives over the hill, teaches their children, receives treatment there and quietly buys vast territories of Spain, England and other hillocks.
I think this is the main problem.

[Sergey ippon]

It has developed - and in such a way that out of 120 workers, I think 100 are officials sitting on the sidelines and receiving hefty salaries. ))
maybe this is the problem?

[militia2]

There are not two solutions to the problem, but many more. The pension is determined not only and not so much by the relationship between workers and pensioners, but by the materialized labor, production, factories, etc., which generate profit and which these pensioners created. Until they start working, until the Government creates conditions for this, you will not really decide anything. This is, if you think about it.

[NKVD]

The government is in jail!!!!!!!! Stop feeding your enemies.

[Prisoner]

Is there no need to feed you in prison?

[Leshy1975]

there is less harm from them

[vladimirvn]

No. Trump did not do this, as one might initially think. He has a day off today.
WASHINGTON, June 14 – RIA Novosti. US President Donald Trump took time off for his birthday on Thursday, the White House schedule shows. Trump was born on June 14, 1946 in New York, Queens.

[brdm]

Why is everything being done against the people? Against the economic development of Russia.!??? And he hides behind complete lies and the incompetence of his government’s work. I have no words. Just disgusting!!!

[GRIGORIY76]

Because it is done for friends and own children. And getting up from your knees and playing superpower is a screen.

[eremey]

What can I say? Here in the North, guys, rarely anyone lives to be 70. I go to funerals once every three months, or even more often. They leave with whom they worked, lived, and friends. Heart attack or stroke from work. Ambulance with flashing lights. Next is medicine. Another question. I looked. What we are told and what actually happens are two very different things. Relatives stand behind the patient like a wall. They are looking for passages and medicines. Otherwise, in the box. Lately, everyone simply doesn’t live to see 65. A rather interesting picture emerges. They announced that we will live until 80+. If the previous decrees failed, then do you think the new “jumper” ones will be overcome? Everything works out just like in the states. We walk in full image and likeness. There is clanism and the same thing here! They always told us one thing, but did their little things on the sly. There is such a book “Nomenclature”... As it was, so it remains! We have elections coming up here in September... I think our Northern People will figure out how and for whom to vote... There is time to thaw and think...

[Xnumx vis]

I live in the south, the situation is no better. Oncology, heart, service. Some of my friends a year old have died, I think they have died. Half... And not even sixty... One in Kursk. One from cancer, one from heart failure. one perestroika life derailed .. vodka. There are three left alive. Eh, guys!

[militia2]

I live in the central European part. The situation is about the same, maybe a little better, that is, even more than half are 60 years old. The smart thing to do here would be to develop a system of part-time or part-time employment so that people have more rest; their health is no longer the same. But no, we thought for a long time, endured and made us happy!

[Old Horseradish]

Lie. Total lie.

[Bad_santa]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

His word is worth nothing, excuse me. He promised so many things ....

So the majority of Russians voted for him. And don’t say that you weren’t aware of what this would lead to. No need to remind us, “Let’s give him strong support at the level of 85% so that he can finally deal with the oligarchs”? And the people who wrote that after the elections he would tighten the screws were called trolls and paid. I was even banned from one drunken, always jingoistic site for trying to get into people’s heads that they were being stupidly used. I watched how grannies were given one-time payments from the federal budget before the Duma elections so that they would vote for United Russia. And Putin told people the old fashioned way: cheap and effective

[vladimirvn]

In the rotten year 1999, our average salary was 40 euros higher than in Romania, and now it is 80 euros lower. Romania, to understand, is a deep periphery of Europe.

[BigBoss]

What else could you expect from a clueless government?

[Sergey ippon]

I saw this in Ivanovo)) not from there?

[Vanek]

Quote: BigBoss

What else could you expect

With your logic and picture, “stupid government”, what should cancel the snow? Or stop him from melting?

So?

Is it the government’s fault that the storm drainage system can’t cope (or was made fifty years ago with a technological miscalculation)?

[Vadim237]

This is a problem of the local administration and housing and communal services - but not the government.

[Altona]

I watched the video with Grudinin and read the comments. I largely agree with him.

[tochila]

Medvedev's government resigns!!!

[Guru]

tochila
Not to resign. But we need a Tribunal, and we need to start with Yeltsin.

[albert]

Better on a count.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Ros 56

, And you exchange with the men in our factories plowing for 12-15-20 thousand.

And where did you find such factories, dear... These are some kind of disabled people, not hard workers! 12 thousand rubles .. why is he doing this! Sleeping on the go!

[TsUS-Air Force]

Russia is experiencing an acute shortage of grandparents-watchmen. Not everything has been stolen yet! when there is an old man at every post, it will be easier to steal... Each empire ate itself, the time will come when it will devour itself...

[TsUS-Air Force]

and the pension will also be increased by one thousand a year. I have 3000 rubles withheld from the Pension Fund and taxes every month, attention to the question: how many pensioners and working people are there in our country that the pension increase will be so small? and the pension will be increased by 1000 and prices by 2000. In our country, the current minimum wage has been equalized with the subsistence level, and gas and food and transport fares have risen in price...