The saga of the company mortar in the Red Army. Application practice, experience

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The saga of the company mortar in the Red Army. Application practice, experience

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Part 2


In his article "He is in the position of a homeless child..." dated July 24, 2019, Andrey Ulanov reviewed extracts from archival documents on “assessing the role of 50-mm company mortars” based on the experience of the Great Patriotic War.



During the Great Patriotic War, both officers of the General Staff of the Red Army and “core” departments - GAU, GABTU, and so on - collected information about the use of weapons in battle. Without waiting for the last shots to subside in defeated Berlin in 1945, the departments for studying the experience of the war began their work.

“The mortar weapons questionnaire began with an assessment of the role of 50-mm company mortars.

1. Should the RM-50 be in service with a rifle platoon or rifle company: how many mortars should there be in one case or another?

2. How many people should a mortar crew consist of?

3. What changes should be made to the tactical and technical requirements of the existing latest model of a company mortar?..
In addition to answering each question posed, it is necessary to give a well-founded motivation for the proposed option, citing typical combat examples.

Chairman of the Rifle Tactical Committee of the Red Army, Lieutenant General Smirnov, Colonel Goncharov. April 28, 1945."

The majority of respondents, as they say now, limited themselves to answering only the first point - for the simple reason that their opinion about 50-mm company mortars was unambiguous.”

Let us quote the most typical statements from the original source article.

“The company 50-mm mortar should be removed from the rifle company’s arsenal as it did not justify itself during the Great Patriotic War.

Firstly, the 50-mm mortar, having low fire efficiency, short firing distance and poor shooting accuracy, is not suitable for its purpose.

Secondly, the 50-mm mortar, due to its short firing distance, is always located in infantry combat formations and therefore the delivery of ammunition during battle is very difficult and often impossible.”



The crew of the RM-38(40) mortar is ready to open fire

“About the company 50-mm mortar. All the experience of the battles has shown that the 50-mm mortar:

a) in defense it maintains its stability as a fire unit. Effectively used as a roaming mortar directly on the front line;

b) during the offensive, it does not provide any effective fire, both during artillery preparation and during close combat.
From the moment of launching an attack, as a rule, up to 90% of the crews are out of action and do not take part in the offensive battle. As a rule, no one controls the mortar fire, and it remains on its own on the battlefield, as a result of which [there are] unjustified losses of personnel.

The general attitude of company and platoon commanders towards the mortar is extremely negative, and therefore he is in the position of a homeless child.

Conclusion: the 50-mm mortar must be removed from service as it did not justify itself in the Patriotic War."


"1. Rifle companies and platoons are not armed with 50 mm mortars. The experience of offensive battles carried out by the division during the Patriotic War confirms the low effectiveness of the fire of the existing latest model of a company mortar in close combat conditions. As a rule, company mortar crews on the battlefield represented a highly vulnerable target for the enemy, were quickly put out of action, and in the best cases could not provide the company mortar with a sufficient number of 50-mm mortars.

The most effective use of company mortars was found in defense, when the opposing sides were no more than 400 meters away from each other. In defense, when conditions allow concentrating a stock of 50-mm mines for strong and effective fire, it is useful for each rifle company to have at least six barrels of 50-mm mortars to prevent trench work, destruction and suppression of enemy firing points.

Company mortar crew - at least three people"


“RM-50s were almost never used in division units. In all types of combat, when using this mortar, it turned out that its tactical and technical characteristics, especially in mountainous and wooded areas, made it unsuitable.

Soldiers and commanders armed with RM-50 sometimes did not use them and resorted to other types in battle. weapons. The mortar has significant weight, requires a large consumption of mines, and requires a minimum of four operating personnel. Completely unsuitable for the destruction of more or less significant structures. The RM-50 mortar, as it has not justified itself in battles, should be removed from service.”



Crew of a German company mortar in position

«About the company 50mm mortar:

1. For close combat, both during offensive and defensive combat, you can use a 50-mm company mortar armed with a rifle platoon. I consider it more convenient to have two company mortars in a rifle company, so that the platoon can have a mortar squad - two mortars and two or three riflemen.

2. The mortar crew must consist of three people. Commander-gunner and two mine carriers.

3. Changes to the tactical and technical requirements should be made: increase the firing range to 1 meters, to destroy manpower in the second and third lines of enemy trenches.”


An attempt to objectively comprehend the negative results of the use of 50-mm mortars during the Great Patriotic War. Hit accuracy


The accuracy of mortars is limited by design; they are not just smooth-bore, but also have an air gap between the mine and the barrel. When fired, the mine experiences beating against the barrel; its alignment when moving up the barrel is not fully ensured by the centering thickening with grooves due to the powder gases overtaking the mine along its perimeter.

The relatively low accuracy of the mortar was somewhat compensated by the power of the 50-mm mine, since it had twice or three times the weight of cast iron and explosives than a hand grenade or a grenade for the Dyakonov grenade launcher.

With the aim unchanged, when fired, the mines do not hit one point, they are scattered over an area, the boundaries of this area form a longitudinal ellipse. Its center is the true aiming point of the mortar.

Let's take data from the book “Manual on Shooting (NSD-40). Company mortar model 1938, 1940 (50 RM)" (p. 78): range deviations Vd at maximum range (800 m) = 16 m; lateral deviations wb = 8 m. There are no data for other distances.

Let's calculate the accuracy of a 50-mm mortar, according to the book by Nikiforov N.N. “Mortars” (pp. 199–201):

50% of the best hits at a distance of 800 m, deviation from the center of the ellipse along the length 2*Vd = 32 m;

50% of the best hits at a range of 800 m lateral deviation from the center of the ellipse 2*wb = 16 m;

100% hits at a range of 800 m, deviation from the center along the length 8*Vd = 128 m;

100% hits at a range of 800 m lateral deviation from the center 8*wb = 64 m.

Vd/Wb – width of the best lateral/length deviation bands. 2* wide stripVd(Wb) account for 50% of hits closest to the point of aim/aiming. These values ​​are obtained by practical measurements of deviations of mine impact sites from the point of aiming/aiming at the training ground, and their further mathematical processing.

Thus, at a distance of 800 m, a mine can fall at any point in a longitudinal ellipse with an area of ​​≈ 25 m2.

Area of ​​the ellipse of best hits ≈ 1 m2.

The area affected by fragments of a 50-mm mine is a circular zone with an area of ​​≈ 300 m2.

The radius of destruction of fragments is ≈ 9,7 m.

If anyone is interested, start reading from page 194 of N.N. Nikiforov’s book “Mortars”.

Conclusions


1 output: Firing from a mortar (RM-38 and 40) at a distance of 800 m can hardly be called effective/targeted, rather “in that direction” or, in military terms, “firing in areas.”

Let's evaluate accuracy of a 50-mm mortar at a range of 400 and 500 m (the recommended range for using 50-mm mortars up to 500 m is specified in paragraph 402 of BUP-42).

We know from the Manual for a 50-mm mortar the figures for a distance of 800 m. The calculation will be estimated using the similarity method, since the movement of 50 mm and 82 mm mines occurs along similar trajectories, and the flight speeds are of the same order. The basis is taken from data on an 82-mm mortar at distances of 400 and 1 m, shown in the figure below.


How the dispersion area of ​​mines increases with changes in the firing range and charge of an 82-mm mortar.
Source: Figure 134 on page 198 from the book “Mortars” by N. N. Nikiforov. – 3rd ed., revised. – Moscow: Voenizdat, 1956. – 248 p.

Data for 82 mm mortar with main charge:

- Vd 400 m = 5,3 m; Vd 1 m = 000 m, K conversion = 15/5,3 = 15;

- wb 400 m = 1,7 m; wb 1 m = 000 m, K conversion = 5,9/1,7 = 5,9.

Then estimated for 50 mm mortar at a distance of 400 m accuracy:

– 50% hits at a distance of 400 m, deviation from the center along the length 2*Vd ≈ 11 m;
– 50% hits at a distance of 400 m lateral deviation 2*wb ≈ 5 m;
– 100% hits at a distance of 400 m, deviation from the center along the length 8*Vd ≈ 45 m;
– 100% hits at a distance of 400 m lateral deviation 8*wb ≈ 19 m;
– area of ​​the ellipse of the best hits ≈ 173 m2;
– ellipse area of ​​100% hits ≈ 2 m2.

As can be seen from the estimated calculations, for a 50-mm mine with a damage radius of ≈ 9,7 m (damage area ≈ 300 m2), the effective range of 400 m, indicated by the front-line soldiers, is mathematically justified. The area of ​​the best half of hits (50% of hits close to the center of the aiming/aiming point) at a distance of 400 m is ≈ 173 m2 (almost 2 times less than the area affected by the mine) and about 9 times less than the same area at a distance of 800 m (≈ 1 m2). In about half the cases (actually a little less), with precise aiming, the target will be hit by shrapnel from the first/second shot. In the worst case, no more than 10 minutes (it must be taken into account that the norm when aiming a mortar at a target is considered to be 6–7 minutes).

On the distance 500 m The accuracy for a 50mm mortar is estimated to be (we use the proportions method for lack of a better one):

• 50% hits at a range of 500 m, deviation from the center along the length 2*Vd ≈ 13,7 m;
• 50% hits at a distance of 500 m lateral deviation 2*wb ≈ 6,2 m;
• 100% hits at a range of 500 m, deviation from the center along the length 8*Vd ≈ 56 m;
• 100% hits at a distance of 500 m lateral deviation 8*wb ≈ 24 m;
• area of ​​the ellipse of the best hits ≈ 259 m2;
• ellipse area 100% hits ≈ 4 m2.

At a distance of 500 m, the effectiveness of the 50 mm mortar deteriorates, the area of ​​the ellipse of the best hits (≈ 259 m2) is already comparable to the area affected by the mine. It is estimated that it takes at least 3 minutes to hit a target with precise targeting. In the worst case, at least 14 minutes.

2 output: effective range of mortar use (RM-38 and 40) ≈ up to 400 m.

In BUP-42, paragraph 402, the recommended effective firing range of a 50-mm mortar at enemy firing points and manpower is indicated up to 500 m, which is consistent with our assessment calculations: at a distance of more than 400 m, the accuracy of the mortar drops significantly, which reduces its combat effectiveness .

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  1. +5
    27 March 2024 05: 19
    The company commander should have an 82mm mortar.
    The 50 mm caliber is simply useless - the consumption of ammunition is in the “over there” direction.
    The article correctly states that the 50-mm mortar crews had to be in the first echelon of troops under direct fire - i.e. It is almost impossible to “raise your head” and effectively adjust the fire.
    And, for example, an 82-mm mortar can be moved a little away from the LBS and the fire can be adjusted in more comfortable conditions, and the delivery of ammunition is a little easier.
    1. +3
      27 March 2024 07: 12
      In "Vanka Company" and at Bek's, mortars were extremely valued, but there was no acute shortage of mortars themselves. Surveying commanders from the battalion commander and higher on the use of company mortars does not make sense for objective reasons.
    2. +5
      27 March 2024 07: 20
      That's right, BUT: there was a problem with organizing operational communications/target designation at the platoon/company level - mortar/artillery battery in the rear.
      There were no walkie-talkies, telephone communication for an advancing company is not serious, all that was left were messengers and signals with rockets or firing tracers towards the target.
      Therefore, the idea arose to give the platoon a light mortar, let the platoon commander directly give target designation.
      But you can’t really carry an 82mm around the battlefield: it itself weighs 56 kg, the weight of a tray with 3 mines is 12 kg, etc.
      1. 0
        27 March 2024 11: 29
        Quote: virA
        That's right, BUT: there was a problem with organizing operational communications/target designation at the platoon/company level - mortar/artillery battery in the rear.
        There were no walkie-talkies, telephone communication for an advancing company is not serious, all that was left were messengers and signals with rockets or firing tracers towards the target.

        There was another problem in WWII - the low qualifications of commanders. Judging by the orders for Lenfront (1943-1944) from the SBD, even at the battalion level, commanders often either forgot about their battalion artillery, not including it in the offensive plan at all, or treated planning formally, setting tasks only for the first stage. Combined with the eternal problems with communication, the latter led to the fact that the mortar men continued to hit the designated lines even when their own infantry was already approaching them closely (there were cases when battalion mortar men continued to hit a trench already captured by the battalion).
    3. +1
      27 March 2024 07: 51
      Quote: Proton
      The company commander should have an 82mm mortar.
      The 50mm caliber is simply useless -

      Well, there was a thing in the history of mortars, when they were interested in “company-battalion” mortars in 70-75 mm calibers... but something didn’t “grow together”! Although, I had to read that some army (well, I can’t remember which one!) was armed with a 71-mm mortar! By the way, in Leningrad, during the Second World War, they “did it” with a 70-mm mortar... In the DPR there was a certain creator of mortars, the Sorcerer, who once demonstrated a “company” 82-mm mortar: light, short-barreled, with a firing range of 1,5, 82 km, without a “bipod”, with a “miniature” base plate... Isn’t this a “new” way of developing company mortars? It is worth remembering the “silent” XNUMX-mm mortar “Gall”! The concept of rod mortars allows you to get light mortars in a decent caliber!
      1. +2
        27 March 2024 08: 44
        My personal opinion regarding the genesis of the mortar theme is inexpensive mass-produced mortars of 82mm caliber. (company), 120mm. (battalion, regiment), complete abandonment of 160mm, development of self-propelled mortars (82 and 120 mm) on wheels (!!!) and a small number of large-caliber self-propelled mortars.
        From 82 and 120mm. It would be possible to make lightweight “mountain” modifications with maximum unification of components.
        The biggest advantages of mortars are the low cost of shooting and installation, and fairly good firepower.
        1. 0
          27 March 2024 09: 29
          Why did you need a complete abandonment of the 160 mm mortar caliber? On the contrary, it's time to think about his return. If the experience of using the 120-mm Flox self-propelled gun and the 152-mm Malva self-propelled gun turns out to be positive, it would be logical to manufacture a 160-mm self-propelled gun based on the same model. If we can increase the firing range to at least 8 km.
      2. -1
        27 March 2024 19: 09
        Why are you satisfied with the Polish 60mm? Khokhlam went so far. And you can’t hear it coming
    4. +1
      27 March 2024 09: 28
      The problem is the weight of the ammunition, while the company is not motorized no more than 60 mm.
  2. +4
    27 March 2024 06: 45
    The departments for studying the war experience began their work.
  3. +4
    27 March 2024 09: 12
    I can’t shake the feeling that articles on the topic of 50-mm mortars are somehow very untimely.
    To replace them, since those times, a lot of weapons have appeared. They invented AGS, RPGs, under-barrel grenade launchers and multi-charge grenade launchers. Moreover, a portable 82-mm mortar 2B25 "Gall" has appeared.
    Discussing a clearly irrelevant topic is like pounding water in a mortar.
    It would be nice if the problems of 82-mm mortars were discussed, that would be appropriate.
    Sorry, author, but I refuse to understand you.
    1. 0
      27 March 2024 17: 35
      Under-barrel grenade launchers, multi-charge grenade launchers and AGS are a modern replacement for the 50 mm mortar and its “younger” colleague, the 37 mm shovel mortar.
      The problem of fire support for infantry at a distance less than 200 meters from the enemy trench has probably not been completely resolved even now.
      Lighten 82mm mortars by reducing weight / decreasing barrel length => accuracy decreases => you need to increase the radius of the mine to compensate for the increased dispersion => the weight of the mine increases. Vicious circle. Hence, a more accurate mine is needed due to active maneuvering on the trajectory, and this is no longer a cheap weapon.
      Or you need to switch to a rifled mortar and there are problems there.
      1. 0
        27 March 2024 21: 45
        Quote: virA
        Under-barrel grenade launchers, multi-charge grenade launchers and AGS are a modern replacement for the 50 mm mortar and its “younger” colleague, the 37 mm shovel mortar.

        Foreign armies still use 60mm. mortar! And they don’t go on the attack with him. It is used either only in defense, or it is used by DRGs for a sudden fire attack, anticipating an attack by their units.
        1. 0
          27 March 2024 23: 53
          And what’s good about it that they have it in service there? They were unable to produce something similar to our Gall mortar; that’s their problem.
          1. -1
            28 March 2024 19: 59
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            And what’s good about it that they have it in service there? They were unable to produce something similar to our Gall mortar; that’s their problem.

            They don't need an analogue of the "Gall" mortar! Most likely, they solve the tasks assigned to them with completely different tools!
          2. 0
            29 March 2024 14: 06
            And what’s good about it that they have it in service there?

            And what's wrong?
            They were unable to produce something similar to our Gall mortar; that’s their problem.

            “They” manufactured their silent man-portable mortar before the “Gall”, which is not our first silent mortar, for that matter.
  4. 0
    27 March 2024 17: 47
    Quote: Proton
    My personal opinion regarding the genesis of the mortar theme is inexpensive mass-produced mortars of 82mm caliber. (company), 120mm. (battalion, regiment), complete abandonment of 160mm, development of self-propelled mortars (82 and 120 mm) on wheels (!!!) and a small number of large-caliber self-propelled mortars.
    From 82 and 120mm. It would be possible to make lightweight “mountain” modifications with maximum unification of components.
    The biggest advantages of mortars are the low cost of shooting and installation, and fairly good firepower.

    The problem with mortars in a company is that mortar fire is effective mainly during battery fire - due to the low accuracy of a single shot, or rather there are no methods for precise aiming: the “fork” is everything. Therefore, it will be necessary to add an artillery officer to its staff. There are not enough infantry junior officers, but you want a specialist.
    1. +1
      27 March 2024 18: 10
      Quote: virA
      The problem with mortars in a company is that mortar fire is effective mainly during battery fire - due to the low accuracy of a single shot, or rather there are no methods for precise aiming: the “fork” is everything.

      A comrade of mine who fought in Chechnya boasted that at 1 km he hit a standing armored personnel carrier with a third mine. But that’s not the point, as far as I know, foreign armies have had portable ballistic computers for 80-mm mortars since the 81s of the last century.
      1. +1
        27 March 2024 23: 59
        From a kilometer and a half away in Afghanistan, the car’s cabin was hit by a second mine.
        1. 0
          28 March 2024 07: 47
          a stationary point, everything around has been targeted, distances have been measured - there is a fire card.
          one batch min. - quite possible.
  5. 0
    28 March 2024 07: 59
    Quote: Vladimir Lenin

    Foreign armies still use 60mm. mortar! And they don’t go on the attack with him. It is used either only in defense, or it is used by DRGs for a sudden fire attack, anticipating an attack by their units.

    Those. The 60-mm mortar is no longer a mass-produced infantry weapon, but a means of strengthening special units. In this case, this mortar is most likely an expensive weapon: titanium alloys are used for the barrel and base plate * to reduce weight, mines with high-power explosives, etc.
    Those. light mortars are no longer needed for infantry; they have been replaced by grenade launchers, multi-shot grenade launchers and assault grenades.