AK-12. The layout and features of a modern machine

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Layout and design features


I am a follower weapons classical layout. Ease of holding when aiming and shooting (especially offhand) and the location of the controls (ergonomics worked out to the ring), versatility in terms of the left / right shoulder, correct balance, convenience when shooting from a stop or through an embrasure, the normal length of the aiming line of a mechanical sight, better compatibility with accessories, etc., are, from my point of view, a more tangible advantage than the absence of the need to fold or recline the bullpup stock from time to time.

The most developed, reliable and, as a result, widespread automation scheme is at the moment a scheme with the removal of part of the powder gases through a side hole in the barrel wall. A variant of this scheme with direct action of gases, when gas from the barrel is fed through the tube into the moving parts, where the shutter works like a piston (all early and most modern AR models, including M16 and M4), despite the high accuracy of fire of weapons made using such a scheme , as well as on the authority, stubbornness and "weight" of manufacturers, is gradually losing ground due to the low reliability of weapons, especially when firing low-quality ammunition. In any case, all new developments of military weapons on this platform are carried out using a gas piston scheme, with its short stroke.



Such a scheme is also used in the SVD rifle, in contrast to the AK series assault rifles, in which the gas piston is installed in the bolt carrier with the possibility of “chattering” relative to it. By no means conducive to improving the accuracy of fire, the “chatter” of a rather massive gas piston is a necessary structural element that makes it possible to ensure the operability of the weapon in case of misalignment of the gas chamber and the gas piston as a result of an unfavorable alignment of the dimensional chain during manufacture and / or barrel leashes as a result of its heating. In the 9A-91 machine gun, which was produced at one time at KMZ, this element was not there, so ensuring the alignment of the gas piston and the gas chamber was a real torment, in spite of any technological equipment.

Is there a gas regulator? To be honest, I'm undecided on this issue. As a designer who has been involved in the creation and improvement of company (unified) machine guns for a long time, I would prefer to have it, especially if the gas chamber still has a front removable plug - a plug. But if you can do without it, and the operating experience of the AK says that it is possible, or the introduction of a gas regulator into the design will greatly complicate it and increase the laboriousness of manufacturing, then probably not.

In principle, the gas regulator, in theory, can increase the accuracy of fire by optimizing the speeds of moving parts in various conditions of use of weapons, but it turns out that if I misjudged these very conditions or they suddenly changed, I can catch a delay at the wrong time. Do I need it? The machine gun has other modes of fire, including the ammunition load fired before cleaning and lubrication, a longer resource - the regulator is definitely needed there, but in the machine gun - I don’t know. Not sure.

The locking units of modern assault rifles (machine guns) are overwhelmingly made with rotary piston valves. In this case, as a rule, three basic designs are used: according to the AK type (AK and Zig-Sauer), AR-10 and 15 (all AR, AUG 77), AR-18 (SCAR, G-36, L-85 and etc.). Kalashnikov locking unit: two or three (SVD) lugs, a helical spiral on the working surfaces of the lugs and the presence of a preliminary rotation of the bolt when locking. Unsurpassed reliability of work is achieved due to the presence of a spiral on the lugs and a preliminary rotation of the bolt when locking, the ability to use a simple and effective rigid reflector, ease of incomplete assembly and disassembly and the absence of small parts. Reflection of the sleeve to the right up.

Among the shortcomings, in comparison with the AR locking units, one can note the rather large dimensions for a given area of ​​​​the contact patch of the lugs, a large total angle of rotation of the shutter and the moment of inertia when it is rotated, and most importantly, the complexity in manufacturing and the almost (keyword) inevitable need for manual pripilovki and lugs and a cracker or bevel of the shutter, interacting with it, providing a preliminary turn of the shutter. This led to the fact that, except for the Kalashnikov - and the old (with the exception of the Zig-Sauer 556ix) Zigov, this design is not used anywhere, and I have not heard anything about new developments using it.

The locking units of modern assault rifles in the vast majority (just some kind of hegemony) are variants of the AR-10 and AR-15 or AR-18 locking units. The so-called multi-slotted shutters have 7 or 6 lugs, respectively, reflected to the right up or to the right "to the horizon", respectively. The latter is considered a disadvantage in our country, since there is a high risk of a reflected sleeve hitting the face of a nearby person. Whoever thinks that this is a trifle is wrong. But it simplifies the exclusion of contact between the sleeve and the reloading handle, if the latter is installed on the right side of the receiver.

The absence of a preliminary turn of the shutter is sometimes compensated by the introduction of a special locking mechanism into the design, which excludes the possibility of turning the shutter up to a certain point (Kord machine gun), but I have not seen such a mechanism in assault rifles, where this drawback is sometimes partially leveled by a specially selected profile of the copy groove of the shutter frame interacting with the leading part of the shutter.

In terms of the combination of properties for military weapons, the AK locking unit is probably more suitable, especially in terms of reliability. Although the experience of other developers cannot be discounted. At least, the strong advantages of AR-shaped locking units in terms of manufacturability and ease of manufacture and better weight and size characteristics make their use more than justified.

Other advantages of AR locking units, which are relevant both now and in the near future, are the ability to ensure stable manufacturing quality on CNC machines by eliminating the need for manual debugging (sawing). AR locking units are, in principle, better protected from dust and dirt, although they are more sensitive to them and work worse when the barrel chamber is dirty and with substandard ammunition.

Receiver box design


The receiver of a modern assault rifle, you can’t get anywhere, should include mounting brackets for installing existing and future accessories. For an army machine gun, an upper bar of a given length is sufficient, a lower one in the forearm area and, possibly, a short side bar for a lantern.

The benchmark, from my point of view, in this matter are the Czech "Bren", without unnecessary side bars, and the SCAR "Zig-Sauer". Therefore, the use of a breaking or detachable design is by no means a tribute to fashion, but a necessity. In this case, the butt (more precisely, the base of the folding butt) must be rigidly, relative to the barrel, fixed on the upper part of the receiver. The lower Picatinny rail, designed to be attached to an underbarrel grenade launcher, must be made of steel and closed with a forearm in such a way as not to interfere with the shooter when it is not in use.

When using the bar, the forearm must move (but not separate, otherwise it will be lost) in such a way as not to interfere with the use of the bar for its intended purpose. In general, ideally, it is desirable to apply the same solution to the upper bar in the fore-end area with the possibility of covering the machine in the fore-end area with the hand, but this is probably already a technical utopia.

Receiver material: light alloy or sheet steel. Sorry, but I won’t consider plastic, and the point is not only in the epic of the ill-fated G36, but also in the experience of the creators of the AEK (initially, the AEK-971 had a plastic receiver reinforced with steel - the legacy of the Konstantinov and Abakan assault rifles), when shooting two BCs - designated wearable ammunition, there was a delamination of plastic with metal reinforcement of the receiver.

Light alloy boxes have recently received the greatest distribution. They are distinguished, first of all, by high manufacturability and precision in manufacturing, using CNC machines and progressive blanks for their production. At the same time, it is possible to combine several functions in one part, which in stamp-welded structures perform several different parts.

High manufacturing precision and the almost complete absence of permanent connections and complex assembly operations (attachment, for example, of the barrel coupling and some other parts is usually carried out using screws, union nuts, etc. and requires control only by the tightening torque of the threaded connection) virtually eliminates the impact on the quality of manufacturing parts and their assembly of the human factor, but requires a perfect machine park, highly qualified staff and the availability of expensive tools and industrial equipment. A nice bonus of such designs of receivers is their high variability and modernization potential, and equipping the production with perfect equipment determines its flexibility. Of the other advantages of light alloys - a good heat sink.

The disadvantage of light-alloy boxes is the properties of the base material, which has a certain porosity of the structure and low hardness. At one time, Georgy Semyonovich Garanin told me about attempts to use titanium and aluminum for the manufacture of machine-gun receivers. According to him, powder soot immediately and forever "ate" into the material of the parts, increasing the coefficient of friction to completely obscene values, and this obscenity was not amenable to any cleaning. That is, without special galvanic coatings that strengthen the surface structure, the use of such materials is impossible.

It cannot be said that this problem has not been solved. Decided. 70 percent. Congenital defects, like congenital diseases, are almost never completely cured. The coatings have the ability to wear off, are prone to cracking upon impact, i.e., they have some features that require attention during operation. In addition, electroplating is a hazardous industry, and the human factor is again manifested in all its glory there. Characteristics of reagents, their concentration, temperature, exposure time, cleanliness of the bath, sequence of actions, surface preparation. Some of the above parameters do not lend themselves to any automation.

I still remember how they ruined a beautiful horizontal bar brought by someone for repair - ... it takes a long time to warm up the bath to the regimen, the bath is dirty, Masha is on vacation, etc. Somehow I demonstrated a prototype of my experimental 6,7-mm assault self-loading to a soldier who is fond of one of the types (I won’t say more precisely, in my opinion, just an amateur) high-precision long-range shooting and was amazed by his reaction to the aluminum Picatinny rail made integral with the receiver. He clung to it from the fly, not paying attention to the actual weapon, the meaning of his claims was that such things should be made only from steel, and light alloy has poor wear resistance. Well, imagine army operation - in armored vehicles, in mountainous areas or in an urban environment.

Combined steel-aluminum structures are an electrochemical pair and need to be protected from corrosion, in addition, they have very different coefficients of thermal expansion, and their joint assembly can turn into some design and technological problem (you can hardly apply both spot and any other welding, and you can’t put a rivet without a futorka). The labor intensity of manufacturing and the dependence on the human factor are increasing, and some specific problems appear.

I mentioned above about steel receivers of a stamp-welded design, and I have nothing to add in essence. They are better than any others for military operation, cheaper for mass production, but their use makes sense only if there is confidence in the longevity and decent production volumes of this type of small arms.

That is, the design of a promising assault rifle depends on the specification (primarily), the design of the accessories declared for use, the available technologies of a particular developer, the capabilities of its intellectual design and technological resource, the available backlog (after all, it’s not for nothing that the Kalashnikov concern always gets another AK - already 75 years, and AEK for 40 years of development has changed externally, but not internally, only because of the requirement to add a bar - little things do not count) and some non-production factors. In other words, any developer, instead of a design optimized for the requirements of the TOR he received, will strive to use his backlog, try to adjust and harmonize the TOR for it, etc.

People can be understood, technical risks and the associated responsibility are not needed by anyone. Start somewhere from scratch? And where in this blank notebook can I get the appropriate frames? Promising youth? But this is just material for learning - a reserve for the future. Only constant training and their own experience, which still needs to be gained, can make them specialists (and even then not all of them), but it is still desirable to learn from the mistakes of others, but they still won’t get away from their own. And for training, experienced specialists are required who can design “from a sheet”, and not just assemble pyramids from ready-made cubes. But for some reason, as a rule, they interfere with modern experienced "menagers". In addition, the issue of licensing, testing and other organizational components of the infrastructure necessary for engaging in this kind of activity arises.

I would like to mention once again the design of accessories. Well, if you develop them for new requirements, then it is desirable to develop all accessories for these requirements, and not: this new one with a universal installation on a bar and, say, a grenade launcher - from AK and an installation place, please, do it like an AK. This rigidly dictates the configuration and dimensions of many parts of the weapon, and its architecture as a whole. For sights, flashlights, etc., it is necessary to develop a quick-release mount on the Picatinny rail, similar to what is currently used for mounting on a standard side rail. And, finally, the cartridge, which must be decided not least.

In fact, I will not make a discovery from the assertion that in order to replace such a product as an AK assault rifle (I believe that today it is still the best military assault rifle in the world for our conditions), an integrated approach is needed with carefully thought-out technical specifications and, possibly, , with intermediate R&D to test some solutions.

Forgive me if you will. Of course, I don’t know all the layouts, but it became strange for me to observe what was happening, and in fact, by and large, there is a clearly visible trend of losing our country’s position as one of the main world authorities in the development and production of small arms. It still somehow makes a difference to me, and I think that we should at least talk about it.

And as for the deeply substantiated conclusions of some especially advanced experts that in the age of missile weapons and aviation small arms are losing their relevance, let them try to find at least one example when military operations were carried out without the use of this “anachronism”, but the Taliban, for example, completely managed without missiles and aircraft.
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  1. 0
    1 May 2022 04: 22
    The Epilam substance is a surface-active fluorinated organosilicon. Apply with a brush, warm up. Application for car spark plugs does not allow carbon deposits to form. On aluminum, it can clog pores, make aluminum clean. But probably not in friction points.
    1. +1
      1 May 2022 05: 10
      The use of aluminum in military weapons is controversial. I saw "crumpled" screw-cutting, and they are steel.
      The author is definitely a plus.
      1. +2
        1 May 2022 06: 26


        Quote: IVZ

        1) Kalashnikov locking unit ...
        2) Locking units of modern assault rifles ...

        hi
        Below are 2 basic designs, or did I miss the 3rd one awake?
        1. 0
          1 May 2022 06: 30
          Waking up, I can’t remember more than one massive barrel with - “at the moment, there is a scheme with the removal of part of the powder gases through a side hole in the barrel wall.” Only from the top or from the bottom ... with a side outlet, completely different organ grinders are obtained ...
          1. +1
            1 May 2022 07: 07
            Quote: mat-vey
            Waking up, I can’t remember more than one massive barrel with - "is at the moment a scheme with the removal of part of the powder gases through a side hole in the barrel wall

            I accidentally found this
            Magazine "Technique and weapons" (May 2002)
          2. IVZ
            +7
            1 May 2022 07: 10
            It's just a common term.
            1. 0
              2 May 2022 07: 26
              Quote: IVZ
              It's just a common term.

              As it used to be met - "exhaust of gases through the wall of the barrel", or "at the muzzle". And "from the side", "from the bottom" or "from the top" this is already with a specific "design" ... Because from this position a lot depends - the return spring, the cartridge supply unit and the location of the magazine (tape), the height and width of the "design" ...
              In any case, in combat instructions, it’s just in the wall, without positioning .. "When fired, part of the powder gases,
              following the bullet, rushes through
              hole in the wall of the barrel into the gas chamber"
              1. IVZ
                -2
                2 May 2022 07: 36
                Absolutely agree with you.
          3. -2
            1 May 2022 07: 16
            Quote: mat-vey
            Only from the top or from the bottom ... with a side outlet, completely different hurdy-gurdies are obtained ...

            Why would this be?
          4. +12
            1 May 2022 07: 56
            The trunk wall is always lateral, it has no upper or lower walls.
            1. +3
              1 May 2022 09: 37
              Quote: Droid
              The trunk wall is always lateral, it has no upper or lower walls.

              The side hole in the wall of the trunk is also called transverse.

              Quote: mat-vey
              Top or bottom only

              Perhaps in front, through the muzzle hole with a muzzle glass,
              as in Banga self-loading rifles (Denmark) or Puteaux machine gun (France).

              In models for a caseless cartridge - through the chamber, or through the channel of a special sleeve
              Heckler & Koch G11
              Steyr ACR
              1. IVZ
                0
                1 May 2022 19: 07
                It is customary to call the side hole, the hole in the trunk can be transverse, but not in the wall of the trunk. Not through the muzzle hole, but from the muzzle. I can be more tedious, no problem, please contact.
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                  2 May 2022 08: 15
                  Quote: IVZ
                  I can be more tedious, no problem, please contact.

                  Well, if you are boring - how to determine where the cylinder has a "side"?
            2. 0
              2 May 2022 07: 20
              Quote: Droid
              The trunk wall is always lateral, it has no upper or lower walls.

              And what about the weapon? Or are you considering an abstract "barrel in a vacuum"? That's just where in the barrel the hole was "made" by the designer on that and the whole design depends ...
    2. +2
      1 May 2022 07: 09
      Quote: surok1
      Apply with a brush, warm up. Application for car spark plugs does not allow carbon deposits to form.

      Yeah. Like: "Fill Longway, and no nails!" All this bullshit.
      1. +1
        1 May 2022 07: 44
        Didn't use it myself.
        1. 0
          1 May 2022 08: 01
          Quote: surok1
          Didn't use it myself.

          Yes, think about it, where does the soot go? It evaporates, doesn't it?
          1. 0
            1 May 2022 08: 33
            It cannot adhere to the fluoropolymer. It looks like a non-stick coating.
            1. 0
              1 May 2022 08: 37
              Quote: surok1
              It cannot adhere to the fluoropolymer. It looks like a non-stick coating.

              laughing Well, yes, you just need to shake the barrel, and everything will spill out from there. laughing And if you knock with a ramrod, it will be even better.
            2. IVZ
              0
              1 May 2022 08: 39
              I'm not familiar with this coating, but it seems they don't resist abrasion and fur well. loads in general.
              1. 0
                1 May 2022 10: 56
                In electroacoustics, in speakers, the central dome is made of aluminum, while it is processed in such a way that a ceramic layer is formed. There it is needed for rigidity, so that high frequencies are not distorted. I am not familiar with this technology, therefore I cannot say whether it is cheap or expensive.
                A coating of monomolecular thickness can settle in "pores", and during friction, the tops of microroughnesses interact. There is friction metal on metal, there is friction fabric on metal, there is rubber on metal. All have features.
              2. 0
                1 May 2022 11: 33
                The process of anodic spark deposition (ASD) as a whole consists of three main stages: 1. anodization, 2. dielectric breakdown, 3. coating growth.

                https://findpatent.ru/patent/207/2070622.html
                ©, 2012-2022
                https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/issledovanie-svoystv-modifitsirovannyh-keramicheskih-pokrytiy-poluchaemyh-metodom-mikroplazmennogo-anodirovaniya-na-poverhnosti
  2. +2
    1 May 2022 05: 30
    The author, since when did an automatic rifle, in Russian terminology, starting with Fedorov, as well as an automatic rifle or an automatic carbine in foreign, began to be called an assault rifle? Probably from the time of the perestroika Ogonyok and rumors about Kalashnikov copying Sturmgever?

    GOST 28653-90 “Small arms. Terms and definitions" the following definitions were established for the machine gun and similar types of weapons:

    A rifle is a rifled small arms designed to be held and controlled when firing with two hands with the butt resting on the shoulder.
    A carbine is a lightweight rifle with a short barrel.
    Automatic - automatic carbine.
    Submachine gun - an automatic machine, the design of which provides for the firing of pistol cartridges
    1. +2
      1 May 2022 07: 33
      The author, since when did an automatic rifle, in Russian terminology, starting with Fedorov, as well as an automatic rifle or an automatic carbine in foreign, began to be called an assault rifle?

      A counter question, it makes sense to stick to the terminology. Especially in the description of foreign samples, which are essentially assault rifles.
      However, the Author in the clearing is logical when he calls domestic products automatic weapons, and foreign models are assault rifles.
      1. -6
        1 May 2022 08: 51
        assault rifles - foreign models.

        So they began to call the last 30 years, and only here. The name is not officially used abroad, only it has become fashionable to call it in honor of Sturmgever in our country. Hitler liked brutal names, he is said to have proposed such a beautiful name at one of the meetings on mashinkarabinen.
        1. IVZ
          +6
          1 May 2022 08: 57
          assault rifle is a semi-official term that I've been hearing for about 40 years.
          1. -3
            1 May 2022 09: 25
            assault rifle is a semi-official term that I've been hearing for about 40 years.

            According to the Oxford Dictionary
            Assault - violent and sudden attack
            Example -They made an assault on the enemy's positions.
            There is no clear translation, and brainstorming is translated into English as brainstorming.
            Storm.
      2. -2
        1 May 2022 09: 50
        which are essentially assault rifles

        What is an assault, i.e. for the assault. What is the difference between assault and attack? An assault is an attack on heavily fortified positions, fortress walls in the past, a building, a bunker, a pillbox, etc. In general, a difficult obstacle course, where it is even possible not to do without additional devices such as assault ladders, wall breakers... It is used to get to the place to throw grenades, lay explosives. Well, how convenient is it to do with a rifle, albeit a shortened one, where the combat distance is minimal and you have to hold a weapon and shoot with one hand, for example, around the corner of a wall? I don't think. Assault weapons are grenades, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, and small arms during assault are pistols and submachine guns. A submachine gun can be called an assault weapon, but not a meter long M16.
      3. +2
        1 May 2022 14: 06
        T9 is such a rare bastard...
        1. 0
          1 May 2022 18: 37
          I've been mowing all day today, regards!
    2. 0
      1 May 2022 08: 21
      SCS is then quite an automatic carbine, that is, an automatic machine in your terminology.
      1. -1
        1 May 2022 08: 37
        SCS is then quite an automatic carbine, that is, an automatic machine in your terminology.

        Firstly, not my terminology, but GosStandard, and secondly, according to GOST SKS, the carbine is not automatic, but semi-automatic. If you want to know, according to my terminology, how a rifle differs from a carbine, then know that the rifling pitch, i.e. AK-74 is a rifle, and an SKS carbine, although the SKS has a longer barrel, such a paradox. The stability of the bullet depends on the pitch of the rifling. In the AK-74, the bullet flies at the limit of stability, and with the SKS you can shoot well even in the thickets, so hunters often have carbines, not rifles.
        1. IVZ
          +7
          1 May 2022 08: 48
          Well, I still wrote a more or less popular article, and not a research report, and even there such liberties would have passed. You are way too strict.
          1. -2
            1 May 2022 09: 26
            Norm control is our everything ... but seriously, I don’t like the name given by Hitler and which became fashionable in our country during perestroika. About the popular article ... here are the most advanced sofa and chair professionals drinks
            1. IVZ
              +2
              1 May 2022 10: 01
              Well, somewhere somehow ... okay, I'll take it into account.
        2. 0
          1 May 2022 18: 41
          Eka, you compared the AK 74 with the SKS. More correctly, with AK 47. One cartridge and one period.
        3. +1
          1 May 2022 21: 05
          There is no paradox. And your "terminology" does not hold water. TOZ-8 cal. 5,6 with a barrel length of 640 mm and a rifling pitch of 350 is a rifle, and the AK-74 with its 415 mm and a rifling pitch of 200, whatever one may say, is an automatic carbine
        4. 0
          1 May 2022 21: 51
          Hunters often have carbines, because the certificate says "carbine". Here is a great example: https://www.huntworld.ru/catalog/okhota_i_sportivnaya_strelba/okhotniche_oruzhie/nareznye_karabiny/karabin_pulemet_maksim_7_62kh54/
          "The rifled carbine "Maxim" was made by converting the world-famous machine gun "Maxim" of the 1910/30 model to the caliber 7,62x54R, at the Degtyarev plant."
          Carabiner - all carbines carbine wink
      2. 0
        1 May 2022 09: 53
        the most interesting thing in this terminology is that the division of a rifle and a carbine is based on the ratio of the barrel length to the caliber and it turns out that the AKM carbine and the AK-74 rifle!
      3. -1
        1 May 2022 15: 07
        Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8
        SCS is then quite an automatic carbine, that is, an automatic machine in your terminology.

        The original version does not have a capacious detachable magazine and automatic fire.
        So the carbine.
    3. +1
      1 May 2022 10: 48
      In the west, an automatic rifle (which is an otherworldly automatic rifle) AK will be an automatic carbine in this sense.
    4. 0
      1 May 2022 22: 02
      Quote: Konnick
      The author, since when did an automatic rifle, in Russian terminology, starting with Fedorov, as well as an automatic rifle or an automatic carbine in foreign, began to be called an assault rifle?
      I always thought that an automatic rifle and an assault rifle differ in firing range. An automatic rifle is chambered for a rifle cartridge (FN FAL, for example) and shoots far, an assault rifle chambered for an intermediate cartridge (AK and AR-15 of all kinds) and shoots not so far.
      1. IVZ
        0
        2 May 2022 09: 48
        But what does the specification of the concepts "far" and "not so far" look like in numbers?
        1. 0
          2 May 2022 13: 21
          Quote: IVZ
          But what does the specification of the concepts "far" and "not so far" look like in numbers?
          This is determined by the capabilities of the cartridge, for the most part. I think that 300-500 meters for an assault rifle and 600-800 meters for an automatic one (but it’s hard to hit in bursts).
  3. -12
    1 May 2022 05: 39
    let's help the afftor already...:https://topwar.ru/195340-ak-12-kak-zerkalo-status-quo-chast-3analiz-situacii.html ...times...https://topwar. ru/195030-ak-12-kak-zerkalo-status-quo.html...two...and three..I'm tired of Zavarykin...away from his design bureau.
    1. +7
      1 May 2022 05: 53
      And how can you help a weapon designer who is in the subject and who has worked in this area for many years ?!
    2. +9
      1 May 2022 06: 28
      It's fun to "help" the author by giving links to his own articles...))
      1. +9
        1 May 2022 07: 38
        Quote from Diver0
        It's fun to "help" the author by giving links to his own articles...))

        From the language removed!
        Alas, this is a trend, or vice versa, a “quality mark”, depending on which bell tower you look from.
        About ten years ago, at a round table, an opponent, refuting me, referred to my early works. To be honest, it was nice and comfortable. So-as I knew why I abandoned these views on the WFP.
    3. IVZ
      +4
      1 May 2022 08: 34
      Yes, as if I didn’t ask for help, I didn’t impose on anyone, let alone you, and didn’t rush to you in the Design Bureau.
      1. -2
        1 May 2022 14: 10
        Campaign, you both write, skipping letters and distorting words - and "design" ...
  4. -6
    1 May 2022 05: 45
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    The use of aluminum in military weapons is debatable

    Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other equipment are armored with aluminum armor. Didn't you hear?
    1. +1
      1 May 2022 06: 24
      These are a few different things, don't you think? Ceramics and UHMWPE are also used in armor, but somehow you don’t hear about their use in military weapons ...))
    2. 0
      1 May 2022 20: 58
      Any aluminum, even heat-resistant la ak4-1t, has a very poor quality. At a temperature of 180 degrees (these are the most resistant), they completely soften, losing all their qualities ... Therefore, they can be used in armor with a bunch of restrictions.
  5. -1
    1 May 2022 06: 06
    Quote: surok1
    But probably not in friction points.

    So, where is carbon deposits not in the friction nodes? Again, cleaning - you can scrape off the surfactant at a time, and even in theory, carbon deposits form, there is no friction - you need to clean it, and not wait for it to fall off by itself.
    PiSi, and the author correctly noted about shooting from both hands - it happens that a right-handed person needs to shoot from the left, especially in the city. Here is the fatal minus of the rolls, I don’t remember that the shells flew forward
    1. +1
      1 May 2022 10: 45
      ADS,Desert Tech MDR,FN F2000..
  6. +6
    1 May 2022 06: 19
    The operating experience of the same Murka clearly shows that a box made of luminum is an obvious evil. And even more so - for army weapons. Any holes with pins are broken at once, not to mention the overall strength of the structure ..
    1. +1
      1 May 2022 07: 46
      What should I say. Three years ago, while playing strekbol, he stumbled and fell in the forest on a Korean machine gun in an aluminum body kit. Okay boss, from the people are not poor. He joked that friendship is more expensive than a piece of iron, and a piece of iron cost a hundred thousand wooden pieces.
      After that, he swore off taking someone else's, even soybeans are offered. I run with mine.
  7. +1
    1 May 2022 07: 32
    loss of positions of our country as one of the main world authorities in the field of development and production of small arms. It still somehow makes a difference to me, and I think that we should at least talk about it.

    It's all about steel. If in the 80s ours mocked machine guns from China, now we have stooped to them.
  8. +2
    1 May 2022 09: 18
    An interesting article showing the cuisine of weapon design and customer relationships.
    I would like to note that in the seventies, when I served in a construction battalion, they were allowed to shoot three times, an infantryman 250 times, in the Strategic Missile Forces, shooting three - twice a week, 15 rounds, plus PKT and RPK machine guns. About the landing, I don’t know the border guards. And no one bothered with different bars, collimator sights on batteries, they didn’t hear about grenade launchers. AKM 7,62 satisfied everyone and everything. Soldiers with different arm lengths immediately got used to the machine gun, and have never heard complaints from the fighters.
    For special forces, of course, you need your own weapon adapted to their tasks.
    Now technologies have developed very much, so were there any attempts to make the AKM completely plastic, with a metal-plastic barrel, with plastic cartridges and bullets, very light, at least in the form of an experiment. soldier
    1. +2
      1 May 2022 10: 27
      Until recently, that is, from the same era as the AK-47, the "torpedo" that is, the dashboard was made of iron, you probably remember. And now it looks so archaic that even military tablets in a shockproof case are annoying. Small arms are so conservative, and even gunsmith designers, this is generally something with something, these requirements from the "Tsar Pea" in terms of survivability, in general, are sometimes beyond modern conditions. For the sake of the experiment, "Tugriks" are needed, but they are not there. Breaking through to the "life-giving source" of funds for new weapons is simply not realistic. From the word Complete. The author of the article has an invention - an "Electromechanical" rifle, and plastic and new materials are present there, but I don't think anyone is interested. soldier
      1. +1
        1 May 2022 11: 17
        I understand you perfectly, where there is money, prestige and the title of "Hero of Labor" shines, intrigues and undercover games are cleaner than in ballet and theater.
        In my opinion, an "Electromechanical" rifle or machine gun in modern materials will be like a transition from horse-drawn to motorized.
        If this rifle is only in the drawings, I would advise the author to contact some kind of plant producing military space products (from experience I know top-class specialists and all the necessary equipment there) and make a prototype. soldier
        1. +2
          1 May 2022 11: 46
          I beg you!, piece goods, one CNC part from dozens, ordered a gearbox on copper, the size of a first-aid kit - 100 tr. one set, for your tasks, with drawings, nothing complicated, such prices. And it barely fit into the tenths with alterations. Nothing good can be done without a resource. Well, you did something worthwhile, so what? - "this Sharik is just the beginning, now you will run for another day to give a photo" laughing Those who really need modern weapons (a conditional company commander) no one asks him, "learn to fight what you have, otherwise we'll attach a bayonet to the AK 12, and send it to the bayonet" ... soldier
          1. +4
            1 May 2022 13: 48
            Lev Nikolayevich, don't forget what country we live in. It is necessary not to officially order, but to go to the CNC operator, turner, pattern maker and they will do everything for a sane price. True, all this is past the checkout. And if you order through the director or chief engineer, then it is either super expensive or a dead end, especially if it is a single copy. soldier
            1. -1
              1 May 2022 13: 54
              Quote: V.
              Lev Nikolayevich, don't forget what country we live in. It is necessary not to officially order, but to go to the CNC operator, turner, pattern maker and they will do everything for a sane price.

              Yes, it's totally crazy. I worked at a car repair shop, clients came and asked: "Can I install a windshield? Oh, but we don't know ..." It got to the point that I inserted a windshield under the director's window.
            2. +1
              1 May 2022 17: 25
              Zavarykin does not want to make an MMG toy, as I understand it, but a working model, so you will thunder under the article. feel
              Quote: V.
              Lev Nikolaevich don't forget what country we live in

              Exactly! I remember well where we live and when wink
        2. 0
          1 May 2022 20: 08
          It is possible to make a prototype, but our production is not designed for any mass (large-scale) production.
      2. -2
        1 May 2022 14: 03
        Quote: Leomobil
        . The author of the article has an invention - an "Electromechanical" rifle, and plastic and new materials are present there, but I don't think anyone is interested.

        Very interesting. hi
        1. +1
          1 May 2022 17: 31
          It's not for me, I'm not a decree for him. The muse will visit the author drinks , maybe he writes something. That's when the real srach would begin, I would join wassat .
    2. 0
      1 May 2022 22: 09
      Quote: V.
      And no one bothered with different bars, collimator sights on batteries, they didn’t hear about grenade launchers. AKM 7,62 satisfied everyone and everything. Soldiers with different arm lengths immediately got used to the machine gun, and have never heard complaints from the fighters.
      Did the fighters have anything to compare with? He never held a machine gun with a butt of the length that he needed, but only the one that is. I'm not talking about the collimator ... Aiming (compared to an open sight) is 2 times faster, both eyes are open and the accuracy is higher. And it is not necessary to say that this is important only for increasing the speed of passing the practical shooting track, it would be useful to everyone, except for the masters.
      1. +1
        2 May 2022 04: 56
        Now there is a division into conscripts and contractors. A conscript needs to repay his debt to the Motherland and leave for a civilian to arrange his life. In principle, he is no longer connected with the army at all, and he does not need all these tricks with shooting, butts, sights, slats, well, if only because of personal curiosity.
        But for professional skills, a contract soldier needs to know and study all this.
        The collimator is for war in greenhouse conditions, and if the highlands, and in winter -50 and in summer + 50 and dust storms, or constant rain and slush? Or, dismounting from the car on command for battle, did you hit the ground with a machine gun, how will the collimator behave? Will all this plastic hold up?
        Ideally, I signed a contract, went through training, showed you all the sights and devices, and you choose or order everything you need for you, your height, arm length, visual acuity, and then you pass an exam in conditions close to combat, forced march, shooting from all positions. If you are a professional, then up to 300 meters you must hit all targets from the first shot, with any sight. soldier
        1. +1
          2 May 2022 13: 15
          Quote: V.
          The collimator is for war in greenhouse conditions, and if the highlands, and in winter -50 and in summer + 50 and dust storms, or constant rain and slush? Or, dismounting from the car on command for battle, did you hit the ground with a machine gun, how will the collimator behave? Will all this plastic hold up?
          So make it last. This is not Avant-garde, materials and technologies have been around for a long time.
          Quote: V.
          If you are a professional, then up to 300 meters you must hit all targets from the first shot, with any sight. soldier
          And if you are not a professional yet, but you already need to fight?
  9. +2
    1 May 2022 09: 23
    SCAR is not Zmg-Sauer, but FN. It would also be interesting to read a comparison of the latest galils ace with ak-12
  10. 0
    1 May 2022 10: 05
    Quote: paul3390
    The operating experience of the same Murka clearly shows that a box made of luminum is an obvious evil. And even more so - for army weapons. Any holes with pins are broken at once, not to mention the overall strength of the structure ..

    There is this: I have a clone of Ruger 10/22, it has a luminous receiver. When fired, a massive bolt, when rolled back, hits the rear steel pin with all its dope, and it breaks (over time) the receiver. Cunning Americans replace the regular pin with a plastic buffer, I also had to purchase it. To avoid.

  11. +2
    1 May 2022 10: 20
    IMHO - the main prank of AR systems like this is a fierce dependence on the quality of gunpowder - because if the quality of gunpowder is not very good - then the whole inside gets dirty in an instant - here, after shooting 500-600 rounds from Kalash, you get tired of cleaning, but I can’t even think about what will be in AR after such shooting with cartridges of similar quality as ours basically
  12. +1
    1 May 2022 11: 02
    About the "automatic"! This is all the great and mighty Russian language. We and PP called machine guns and pistols automatic and toilet flush tanks are also machine guns and washing machines. Those. any automated device we call automata. In poor English, all objects have a specific name. And even more so in German. A new type of automatic small arms that appeared during WW2 under an intermediate cartridge was initially called a mechanical carbine in Germany, then disguised as an MP 43, and later called an "assault rifle" by Hitler for various reasons. In the USSR, a new type of weapon was called "automatic" out of habit, so as not to invent something new. But the eggs remained the same.
    Otherwise, I agree with the author. The desire to reduce the cost of serial weapons leads to a loss of quality. The design school is lost.
    1. -2
      1 May 2022 18: 46
      A little more difficult! The first Fedorov assault rifle was chambered for a rifle cartridge - 6,5mm.
      1. IVZ
        +1
        1 May 2022 19: 00
        More precisely, nevertheless, under an intermediate (weakened rifle) cartridge. "Album of designs of cartridges for small arms". N.G. Menshikov. Moscow. 1946
        1. -2
          1 May 2022 21: 48
          The first model yes, but then a Japanese 6,5mm rifle cartridge was used.
      2. 0
        2 May 2022 08: 53
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        A little more difficult! The first Fedorov assault rifle was chambered for a rifle cartridge - 6,5mm.

        It’s still “more difficult” ... under the Fedorov rifle cartridge there was a Fedorov self-loading rifle of 1913-1916. And the machine gun appeared after trips to the front ... after altering this very rifle ... The barrel was shortened, automatic fire was introduced, a magazine for 25 rounds and most importantly, another cartridge - Arisaka of the Sestroretsk plant (even more "weakened" than Japanese due to different gunpowders)
        1. -1
          3 May 2022 09: 38
          Quote: mat-vey
          Fedorov's rifle cartridge was Fedorov's self-loading rifle


          Did you mean "machine gun"? wink
          1. 0
            3 May 2022 10: 32
            Quote: abc_alex
            Did you mean "machine gun"? wink

            Do you even know how Fedorov's automatic rifle differs from his submachine gun? And how did the second come out of the first?
    2. 0
      2 May 2022 08: 40
      Quote: John22
      In poor English, all objects have a specific name.

      Assault rifle - the term appeared in 1918, it was coined by A. Lewis for a weapon - "a rifle capable of conducting controlled fire with bursts from the hands, and having an effective firing range of at least 300 meters" around the same time, Filatov came up with the term "automatic "for the Fedorov submachine gun ...
      1. 0
        3 May 2022 10: 08
        Actually, no.
        In the Soviet weapon tradition, any design that fired bursts was called an automatic machine. Regardless of caliber. There were "anti-aircraft guns", for example. And now EMNIP AK-130 is a "ship automatic". This word was used not only by the military, by the way, it generally had a wide circulation, describing any design capable of working without human intervention. They also drank soda from vending machines. wink
        Therefore, the term "automatic" did not have any dedicated weapon meaning at all, and even more so did not describe an automatic carbine chambered for an intermediate cartridge. And the competition was on"Аtomato Кarabin" and not on the "Kalashnikov assault rifle". There was already a self-loading (semi-automatic) carbine, an automatic one was required.
        But "machine gun" was a really specific weapon term, which meant precisely a rifle machine gun. Therefore, Fedorov had a "submachine gun". And Shpagin and Sudayev have a "submachine gun".
        1. 0
          3 May 2022 10: 30
          Actually, when Filatov came up with his name "automatic" from the ones you listed, there was practically nothing else or just appeared. And the names were invented based on reality ... And in general, the terminology is a random thing at times and each country often has its own ... Until what that time and self-loading rifles were "automatic"
          Quote: abc_alex
          And the competition was for "Atomic Carbine" and not for "Kalashnikov Assault Rifle".

          And there were three competitions ... And at the same time ... To create a Carbine, an Assault Rifle and a Machine Gun chambered for the 1943 model of the year ... And Sudaev had both an AS-44 assault rifle and a PPS-43 submachine gun ...
        2. 0
          3 May 2022 11: 17
          Naturally, the competition was not for a Kalashnikov assault rifle, because one did not yet exist. And in general, if someone had thought of holding a competition for a machine gun of some designer, he would have been immediately removed. And AK stands for not as an automatic carbine, but as a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
  13. 0
    1 May 2022 13: 57
    fold or recline the butt of the bullpup

    Eeeeeeeee....
    Is there something I don't know???
    1. IVZ
      0
      1 May 2022 14: 03
      Just don’t oversleep .. oh, didn’t wake up.
      1. IVZ
        +1
        1 May 2022 14: 04
        In the sense: no butt - no need.
  14. +1
    1 May 2022 18: 35
    Many thanks to the author for the article. Much has become clear, and it is important to understand why and why. So that there are no illusions.))
  15. +2
    1 May 2022 21: 44
    Tell me such a moment, if the designers have already decided to transfer the rear sight to the "rear" of the receiver cover, what prevented the receiver from making a higher protrusion and fixing the rear sight on it?
    1. IVZ
      0
      2 May 2022 07: 13
      Yes, it is quite normally fixed, not a rear sight, but a sight. I probably misunderstood the question.
      1. +1
        2 May 2022 07: 47
        The rear sight on the cover, no matter how it is fixed, can still play, this was even mentioned in a series of articles about this machine on the site. The most obvious solution to the backlash would be the protrusion of the receiver, on which it would be attached, but for some reason they went the more complicated way.
        1. IVZ
          +1
          2 May 2022 09: 17
          I understood. If you accept your offer, the ledge will have to be made of a very intricate design to ensure the convenience of assembling and disassembling the machine. In addition, the pickup bar. you will not install on this ledge.
  16. 0
    3 May 2022 19: 54
    A variant of this scheme with direct action of gases, when gas from the barrel is fed through the tube into the moving parts, where the shutter works like a piston (all early and most modern AR models, including M16 and M4), despite the high accuracy of fire weapons

    The gas automatic option does not affect the accuracy of a single fire (but the quality of the barrel and cartridge affects), but only automatic. But here's the problem: the AK-74M shoots bursts more closely than the M4.
    The presence of a shutter "like an AR" means the presence of a poor ejector "like an AR", which will interfere with the locking of the shutter, become clogged with dirt and stop working.
    1. IVZ
      0
      3 May 2022 22: 02
      The automation option quite affects the accuracy of a single fire, and the location of the gas chamber along the length of the barrel affects and some other parameters affect. And what exactly is the trouble if the AK is a bunch of M4? I totally agree about the ejector. only one advantage - it provides reflection of the sleeve or cartridge at any shutter speed. But this is true for snipers with bolt rifles, and not for submachine gunners.
      1. 0
        3 May 2022 23: 11
        The bolt frame is unlocked and moved back after the bullet has left the barrel, so it does not affect accuracy.
        Quote: IVZ
        And what exactly is the trouble if the AK is a bunch of M4?

        You wrote that because of the gas exhaust system, the AR is more crowded.
        And the accuracy of automatic fire of the AK-74 has a very simple reason - DTK, which the M4 does not have.
        1. IVZ
          0
          4 May 2022 06: 29
          Speculatively, you are right, but the process is much more complicated and I will not argue about this. It's just that even such a moment - after leaving the barrel, the effect of powder gases on the bullet continues for some more time. The aftereffect period or the third phase of the shot is only one of the factors. I didn’t write that AR is more crowded than AK, this is apparently your conclusion from what you read and is incorrect.
          1. 0
            4 May 2022 23: 04
            The AR-15 has long been chewed up, which is more heapy and which AK? Classic army, colt, HC... in what caliber? There, the lengths of the barrels in the sizes of the RPK, AK, SVD ... and the calibers are also different. And manufacturers are different.
  17. 0
    4 May 2022 22: 59
    With this AK12 reinvent the wheel. For about 30 years there have already been designs like Valmet or Galil .... in fact - the modernization of AK .. already with the pros and cons studied. All the same principles are implemented in Galil.
  18. +1
    5 May 2022 17: 58
    revered and grieved ... Concern K - it's just a form of ownership, not cooperation and consolidation, so it turns out?
    and secondly: how in this not-to-be capitalism, in which forms of containment of "optimization" due to quality have not been developed, how can one hope to surpass ..? heybohu, some kind of sur: they dream of ussr2.0, but on the basis of r.imperiy0.5 and that it all comes from above.
  19. 0
    22 May 2022 11: 33
    In the 9A-91 machine gun, which was produced at one time at KMZ, this element was not there, so ensuring the alignment of the gas piston and the gas chamber was a real torment

    but how then did this 9A-91 work. if he didn't have a gas piston, huh?

    This led to the fact that, except for the Kalashnikov - and the old (with the exception of the Zig-Sauer 556ix) Zigov, this design is not used anywhere

    the "AK-type" shutter was used on such massive army machine guns as Beretta 70/223, Beretta 70/90, FN FNC

    SCAR "Sieg-Sauer"

    what, excuse me?

    When using the bar, the forearm must move (but not separate, otherwise it will be lost) in such a way as not to interfere with the use of the bar for its intended purpose.

    what a great solution. but how do you do it, especially taking into account the installation of a grenade launcher (what, by the way? 6G34 or M320?) and even so that the forearm does not hang out and does not interfere if something is on the bar

    I will not consider plastic, and the point is not only in the epic of the ill-fated G36, but also in the experience of the creators of the AEK (initially, the AEK-971 had a plastic receiver reinforced with steel - the legacy of the Konstantinov and Abakan assault rifles), when shooting two BCs - designated wearable ammunition, there was a delamination of plastic with metal fittings of the receiver.

    the author is not aware of the progress in the chemical industry over the fifty years since the creation of the first AEK-971. Sadly.
    1. IVZ
      0
      22 May 2022 18: 29
      In 9A-91, the gas piston was rigidly fixed in the frame, there was no element of its pitching and it was difficult to ensure alignment. The Beretta 70/223, Beretta 70/90, FN FNC assault rifles are no longer produced and their mass character ... however, as with the FN SCAR, I agree with you and apologize for my own inattention. Thanks for the note .. The forearm can move, for example, up. The development of such elements is the work of the designer. As for plastics. We work with what we have. Probably some kind of miracle appeared - plastics, but I personally did not meet recommendations for their use in weapons from any organization.
      1. 0
        23 May 2022 15: 37
        > Forearm can move, for example, up
        But how, Holmes?
        how do you move the lower part of the forearm up? and how will you make it so that it does not become loose in the working position and does not break off during rough military operation?

        > but I personally have not seen recommendations for their use in weapons from any organization
        That is, on the same 6P67 machine gun, the plastic parts of the USM body and receiver were made without recommendations from organizations? Or say Izhevsk AM-17?
        1. IVZ
          0
          23 May 2022 16: 17
          Do not puzzle over the forend, this is the business of the designers and their bread. For example, the forearm can be of two side parts in the lower position located below the bar. As for your last remark - I did not understand it. Glass-filled polyamide used as a structural material in weapons and steel have a different coefficient of thermal expansion, therefore, "when shooting two ammo - designated wearable ammunition, there was a delamination of plastic with metal reinforcement of the receiver." The recommendations I mentioned are about materials used, not product designs. By the way, did the AM-17 pass the required tests and was put into service? Is it?
          1. 0
            23 May 2022 17: 52
            > Do not puzzle over the forearm, this is the business of the designers and their bread
            why not break it? both the head and the fore-end...
            I may not be a weapon designer, but still I have been dealing with an engineering education, and I have been dealing with weapons for more than a dozen years.

            >By the way, the AM-17 passed the required tests and was put into service?
            There is no AM-17 yet, but the 6P67 assault rifle (aka "Kord-5.45") seems to have passed the test and has been formally accepted into service. And he has a receiver just made of plastic with metal mortgages, as far as I remember.
            1. IVZ
              0
              23 May 2022 18: 04
              No. The 6P67 box (aka "Kord-5.45") was made of plastic, and now it's a solid shotgun. Plastic remained in the design of the trigger box and, unfortunately, I don’t know if there are mortgages there. In my opinion, it's just a developed handle, but I don't know for sure. According to your quite fair remark on the forearm. This is not really snobbery, it's just that gunsmiths are better "trained" to solve such problems.
              1. 0
                23 May 2022 18: 21
                >Box 6P67 (aka "Kord-5.45") was made of plastic, and now it is a solid shotgun
                as far as I remember, the 6P67 receiver is still rolled up in plastic from the outside
                as for training a gunsmith - let me remind you that solutions that are far from always beautiful from the point of view of an engineer are those from the point of view of the user
                1. IVZ
                  0
                  23 May 2022 19: 42
                  Looked at the pictures. On different variants of 6P67, plastic again appeared on the box (I left the enterprise in 2016 - then it was not there at all), but not in the form of the main material reinforced with steel, but in the form of overlays, in my opinion, to streamline the shape of the weapon and eliminate gaps where dirt may accumulate. It does not carry power functions. Of course, you can afford whatever you want. Don't deny yourself anything. And I, with your permission, perhaps curtail the controversy. Argument for the sake of argument is not mine.
  20. 0
    15 June 2022 14: 13
    Picking and operation in different AKs leads to the question of why there is no spraying in friction units, including multilayer ones. Coatings have shown themselves well on the cutting tool, they can withstand high loads, and the protective properties are excellent. In Izhevsk, in general, there are problems with spraying. Izhmekh at one time tried to improve the hunting MP-155, the spirit was enough for 30 pieces. There is no news about the results, everything is at the level of enthusiasm. Meanwhile, the multi-layer coating of titanium nitrites, etc., reduces friction by up to 40%. No work is being done in this direction by KMK.
  21. 0
    25 June 2022 08: 38
    Beautiful car!
  22. Owl
    0
    27 July 2022 18: 49
    Why did they abandon the threaded fastening of the muzzle brake, which is expensive to cut the thread? What smart guy put the pencil case in the pistol grip? Are they waiting for the latch to loosen and the pencil case to be lost? What magician refused a monolithic ramrod, only one who did not knock out an inflated cartridge case from the chamber.
  23. 0
    13 September 2022 11: 34
    I always thought that SCAR is from FN, and not from Sig Sauer .... Maybe I don’t understand something, of course ... The article is so-so ...