The most expensive helmets. Part Eight The Armory of the Moscow Kremlin in all its glory

And it happened so that in the process of preparing material about the helmet of Yaroslav Vsevolodovich I had to face the problem of the absence of his photographs, as well as photographs of the “helmet of Alexander Nevsky,” but in fact the helmet of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov. It would seem that everything should be on the Internet, there was only what got into the article. Moreover, both of these helmets are in Armory chamber in the Kremlin, but it was on her website that their photos weren’t! And this is precisely what aroused my increased interest in the topic, not so much even these helmets themselves, as on the issue of modern information support for the activities of Russian museums.

Armory of the Moscow Kremlin

Here is the upper hall of the Armory. Photos from the site. Everything is very impressive, isn't it? But the exposition is very old and traditional. The horse figure stands so that the light falls on her from behind. All other exhibits are under glass, that is, it is almost impossible to photograph them. It is clear that professional photography is possible, but it will cost so much that no publisher will agree to make a book with such illustrations.

Alas, I know very well that it is local. I come to my regional museum of local lore. I say: "You have an interesting book ... open the window, I will re-shoot it and write a number of articles, indicating that it will be from your funds ... pay!" Answer: "So you have to open this window !!!" And so on, and in the same spirit. And the salaries of the staff just penny. They could, at least, buy office supplies for a year or something else.

Rarely, very rarely do museums respond to emails. Although it happens, they answer and even send the ordered photos. And sometimes even for free! This is generally from the realm of fantasy, but it happened. But you can never be sure. It's like Russian roulette!

Turkish helmet from the collection of the Metropolitan Museum in New York, approx. 1500 d. Usually for every item in this museum there are several photographs showing it from different angles.

Helmet of the Great Vizier, 1560 (Topkapi Museum, Istanbul). Here is another place where you must visit any lover of oriental weapons.

So the reason why I personally, for example, prefer to work with foreign museums, is easily explained. You go to the museum site - everything is clear there, even if it is written in hieroglyphs. Choose what you need. Whether you look at the public domain icon (public domain) or not. If there is, then generally excellent. If not, contact the copyright department and, as a rule, get permission to publish. Or a message about how much you pay. But only this is rare. Paying for photos is typical for us. Here is the site of the History Illustreyd magazine - 200 p. for a photo from their archive.

Another sample of the modern museum photo. Turkish helmet Shishak end of the XVII. Steel, copper, leather, velveteen and silk. (Stibbert Museum, Florence)

I'm not talking about the fact that the card of a member of the International Federation of Journalists in Russia is not valid. All over the world you go to museums for free, and in some of them you can also use public transport for free. They say that a journalist is always on duty, even when he is a tourist. And in the Louvre, and in the British Museum ... But not here! Only last summer, in the museum “English Compound”, which is located in Moscow, in the wards of a unique monument stories and architecture of the XVI-XVII centuries, I was told that, yes, we know this, you pass for free. I did not have time to check the Armory. But in the West, the rule of free visits by members of the international federation acts rigorously from the seedy fort-museum in Cyprus to the world-famous museum castle of Carcassonne in France and the chocolate museum in Barcelona. By the way, in the latter it was like this: the chocolate is the ticket there. And so we got up with the whole family, buying “tickets” and presenting our journalistic “cards”, and the director himself stood at the ticket office, as it happened. I saw that we have two cards for four and ... immediately says - “Free of charge for you all!” Well, we were delighted. And then her granddaughter says that it would be nice to use this money in her interests. We told her: “Desire!” Well, she “wished.” So in the end, the director of the museum did not stay in the loser! And I wrote an article about this museum in the magazine “Secrets of the Twentieth Century, just beautiful. To me is good - and I am good!

Another exhibit at the Stibbert Museum in Florence is the Turkish warrior in a mirror and a sisak helmet.

By the way, the Sibbert Museum publishes excellent thematic bulletins for the price of 14.50 euro. For example, this one is dedicated to the oriental weapon.

Knightly edition ...

And this is a very impressive piece of a sword with a unique handle from the collection of the State Historical Museum - the State Historical Museum in Moscow. Here is his handle cast in bronze, while the blade is iron. A very unusual weapon, isn't it? His replicas could decorate museums of various countries of the world, collectors would be in line for them, but our people simply could not figure out what could be earned with this. Apparently they have, and so "everything is."

Now we have a market and the XXI century. So, people need to be seduced by beautiful pictures on the Internet, so that they want to see it all alive, and also take a selfie: “I and a malachite vase in the Hermitage”, “I am in the knightly hall of the Hermitage”, “I and the golden carriage of the Kremlin Armory ". This is the alpha and omega of any modern business! And you can make copies of the exhibits and sell them for money to rich collectors and other museums. And, of course, use museum values ​​for agitation and propaganda.

And this is being done, but again, somehow, quite stupidly. I go to the site of the Kremlin Armory. Everything is modern, not worse than the site of the Metropolitan Museum in New York. Immediately I see an advertisement for their next edition: “The Moscow Kremlin after an artillery bombardment in 1917 year”. The annotation says that when full-scale hostilities unfolded in the city, which “waged the citizens of one country against each other,” the Kremlin was bombarded with artillery. The destruction caused by him is reflected in the photographs, the most objective and impartial witnesses of historical events. “Photos accompany quotes from acts, reports, and protocols for examining Kremlin buildings — documents that were created simultaneously with photography and for the same purpose — as accurately as possible to fix the damage.” Of course, such a book could only be happy, but here its price ... 1300 p. a bit discouraging. This is only acceptable for foreigners, but not for us. And which library will buy it? Penza Regional Children's and Youth Library will not buy one. She has been living for years on gifts from authors and philanthropists. But I will not buy for myself ... and so there is nowhere to go from books. But you need such a book? Yes, let the crimes of the “builders of the new society” once again show everyone that nothing needs to be built by force. You just have to live and then everything will come by itself. Therefore, from the point of view of public opinion management, propaganda and agitation, such a book should cost a maximum of 130 R., and let the difference in price be covered by the state or, say, the same Mr. Ulyukayev. Why not? Do you want to be free? Give me a lot of money for the publication of books necessary for the country and ... "pay and fly." The benefits to the country and the people will be much greater than from sitting behind bars on state-owned bread. And so far it turns out this way: we want to eat the fish and take a ride on the bones! But this usually does not happen!

King Philip II's beautiful front armor. Augsburg, near 1560. Manufactured by Anton Peffenhauser. Steel, gold, brass, forging, chasing, engraving. (Royal Armory, Madrid) Exhibit of the recently completed exhibition “Lords of the Ocean. Treasures of the Portuguese Empire of the 16th – 18th Centuries ”(08.12.2017 - 25.02.2018)

Beautiful Japanese abumi stirrups from the same show! Very worthy exhibit.

Okay! Go ahead. On the site of the Metropolitan Museum in New York in the "Public Domine" fund of some 788 photo helmets. And I somehow looked at them all !!! Work is still “that”. But she is doable! And then - how many did not look, but there are no photos of the helmets of the Armory. Nope

Bahterets Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich 1620 Konon Mikhailov. (The Kremlin Armory)

Chain mail Russia XVI - XVII centuries. Iron; forging, riveting. (The Kremlin Armory)

But there is information about exhibitions held abroad, in Shanghai in 2015, and a year earlier, the Galust Gulbenkian Foundation, the Galust Gulbenkyan Museum and the Moscow Kremlin Museums held an exhibition in Moscow devoted to the study of the role of Russia in international political and trade relations with Eastern countries in the 16th century. -VII century. And here in the information blocks about these exhibitions there are photos. There is also a press release (this is a press release), which says about the exhibition in Shanghai: “After the collapse of the Golden Horde, Russia took control of such major trade routes from the East to the West as the Volga-Caspian, linking it with a short and convenient route Asia and Europe. With the expansion of borders and the influence of Russia, its political ties with Iran and Turkey also grew. The growing importance of Russia for these states was reflected, among other things, in the precious gifts sent by the Iranian and Turkish rulers to the court of the Russian tsars or offered by the Eastern merchants.

For comparison, a photograph of the armor zirah-baktar from the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

Iranian helmet of a turban type, XV century (Los Angeles County Museum of Art)

Often, unique products of Iranian and Turkish masters were bought for the tsar by Russian envoys and diplomats in the countries of the East. Until our time, a significant part of this unique oriental collection of monuments, originating from the royal treasury, has been preserved in the Armory Chamber of the Moscow Kremlin. It consists of ceremonial weapons, magnificent horse decoration, articles made of gold and precious stones, and luxurious fabrics. Many of the monuments presented at the exhibition found direct application in the Russian court life.

16th century Iranian helmet (The Kremlin Armory)

The earliest objects of the eastern collection of the Kremlin Museums presented at the exhibition are related to the art of the Golden Horde. Beautiful patterns are Iranian patterned weaving of the XVI-XVII centuries. The Iranian fabrics were distinguished by the richness of color sound, the beauty of the pattern, the special rhythm of the compositional construction of floral and floral ornament. Truly, a unique group of Iranian gold items brought to Russia as ambassadorial gifts.

Monuments of Turkish art XVI-XVII centuries. Presented at the exhibition are samples of precious fabrics, weapons, parade horse decorations, jewelry, crystal and jade vessels, inlaid with gold and precious stones. Turkish fabrics were distinguished by a large pattern of floral ornament and bright colors. The earliest Turkish fabrics from the treasury of Russian autocrats belong to the middle and second half of the sixteenth century.

Iran, the beginning of the XVII century, the dagger of Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich. (The Kremlin Armory)

Turkish melee weapons are represented in the arms treasury of Russian sovereigns by almost all types: sabers, broadswords, horsetails, and daggers. Their handles are made, as a rule, of gold or gilded silver, decorated with carved or blacked plant ornaments. Gemstones, high castes with turquoise, and jade plates with gold inlay complement the decorative attire. Turkish horse decoration, like many other things of the Turkish masters, was often decorated with precious zapons - gold with precious stones or made of ornamental stones with gold inlay and sparkles of precious stones. Many of the monuments of the Turkish armory and the items of the stable treasury, by the magnificence of their design, can be attributed to genuine masterpieces of jewelry art.

Parade mace Alexei Mikhailovich. Turkey, the middle of the XVII century. Gold, jade, enamel, precious stones. (The Kremlin Armory)

Products of Iranian and Turkish masters not only organically joined the official and everyday life of the Moscow court, but also had a significant impact on the activities of the Kremlin production workshops, becoming role models ”.

Dagger. Handle India XVII century. Blade and garda Turkey or Iran. (The Kremlin Armory)

As you can see, everything that was collected at this exhibition was very interesting and ... photos from this exhibition on the site were posted. True, their status was incomprehensible, that is, whether they can be used freely. I had to call the press center, where his leader kindly explained everything to me. I regret that I did not realize to speak with this lady in English, presenting myself as some journalist from England. And then ask about the same in Russian for the presence of a difference. Because in our museums it happens to take place. But one thing is a telephone conversation. After all, what is the word, if not air, as I-Pun used to say - the seller of secrets from the Jack London story "The Heart of Three." Therefore, I wrote a letter to the secretariat of the Armory Chamber requesting permission to publish photos from these exhibitions in an article on the Military Review website. And what a response came to me.

Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
Your letter to the Moscow Kremlin Museums received an answer - an agreement, payment. The price for the right to publish a single image of a museum item on the site is 6500 rubles. If you are satisfied with the cost, then I will draw up a contract (I will need additional information from you).
I'm waiting for your decision.
Best regards,
Sarafanova Irina Veniaminovna

As you can see, the “museum workers” from the Armory Chamber are not a trifle with us - 6500 rubles per photo and publish them for your health. That is, 10 photos will cost 65 000 rubles - the amount that no fee on any of the Russian and Western sites will ever pay back! No such fees! Nope !!! Now it is clear why there are captions under the photos in italics, but the photos themselves are missing? I can not insert them! But then you can see them on the website of the Moscow Kremlin Armory.

And there are also people at the military school who ask me a question, and even reproach them even: why don’t you write about our history, about our museums, fortresses ... And how can you write about them if you are asked for 6500 p. for one photo? People would be glad that they are being given free advertising, that an article about them will be copied by a good ten or so bloggers and will be distributed throughout the Internet. It is to them that I need to pay extra, that I have given myself the work to write about everything about it. But no, how can ... Is it really not clear that even 200 rubles for a photo in modern conditions of Russia is a lot, but at least it is still tolerable. Whereas, the above sum speaks of a complete, so to speak, lack of understanding of the realities of our life.

Shield Alexei Mikhailovich, XVII century. Turkey. Rods, satin silver, jade, pearls, turquoise, gilding, chasing, inlay. (The Kremlin Armory)
Saber of the Big Outfit. Presented to Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich by Constantinople merchant I. Bulgakov in 1656 (Kremlin Armory)
The Turkish saber of Tsar Ivan, brother of Peter, the second half of the seventeenth century. (The Kremlin Armory)

Scimitar. Turkey. (Los Angeles County Museum of Art)

Quiver and nalud c belts. Russia, Moscow, XVII century. (The Kremlin Armory)

Helmet. Turkey, the end of the XVI - 30-s. XVII century. Brought from Istanbul by Ambassador Athanasius Pronchishchev. (The Kremlin Armory)
Pistols First quarter of the 17th century Master Pervusha Isaev. (The Kremlin Armory)

By the way, the exhibition, which was held in the Shanghai Museum from July 4 to October 10 2015, was visited by 642 948 people.

Pischal Peter the Great, 1692 g. (Kremlin Armory)

And the question is, why on the site of such an impressive museum as the Armory of the Moscow Kremlin, photos of only those exhibits that were exhibited abroad “hang”? And where, for example, prince Shuisky's chain mail, all the above-named and not named, but interesting helmets, from her collection, Western European knightly armor, and much, much more. With quality at the level of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, the Cleveland Museum of Art, the Chicago Museum of Art, the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, Leeds Royal Arsenal, the National Museum in Tokyo, and so on. Why can “there” provide all this to users on the basis of “public domain”, while we don’t have it ?! We have not grown to this? And if you can not download them (well, it is clear that I want to “raise the dough”), then at least let me just look at it all. In order of advertising. But no!

P.S. Now my turn is on a book about armor and weapons of the East and the West, and this beautiful, “gift” edition will be. And there will be photos from different museums of the West and the East. And, it seems that the right to publish photos of their exhibits, they will not refuse me. Yes, and there are many museums. One will refuse - two others will agree. And at the end of the book there will be a complimentary text for them with gratitude, and maybe the publisher will also send this book to them. And there will be people there to look and think: “Here, the Russians, it turns out, are also people, are interested in old weapons and armor and did everything decently. They are the same, in general, as we are! In vain our politicians scold them. ” This is how good PR is done for the country. Only here from the Russian museums of photos in this book will not be.

Comments

[Cat]

Vyacheslav Olegovich at the beginning of the article as we say "poured out the soul"!
There’s nothing to add, as soon as I remember breaking into the Kremlin’s Diamond Fund! It was possible only on the second attempt and taking advantage of natural obstinacy and insolence.
Thank you for the story !!!

[Mikado]

There’s nothing to add, as soon as I remember breaking into the Kremlin’s Diamond Fund! It was possible only on the second attempt and taking advantage of natural obstinacy and insolence.

breaking into the archive is also difficult. Unfortunately, our bureaucratic system is not very agile. Although, if you are a professional, and you "live" in this archive (in the sense of a regular visitor), I think that your algorithm will be worked out over the years. In the archive of the Art Museum, people are constantly working, at the same time there are ten people - many come and print immediately with laptops.
Regarding eastern weapons, the Hermitage has a beautiful hall with it. The question is that it is located on the ground floor, and you need to be able to get to it in roundabout intricate ways. There is wonderful lighting, and wonderful exhibits. Besides me, there were only two people! But the main part of the excursions is dragged to the Knights' Hall, where the apple has nowhere to fall, and it is impossible to remove it. Again, what is there to watch? Well, ceremonial tsatskis, yes, children will be interested.
That is, I’ll translate - there are halls of the Hermitage, where the main excursions do not lead, but where to be much more interesting!

[Bar1]

an amazing thing in those days, 15-17v Turkey had not only the largest army, but also the most technologically advanced weapons and means of defense, but by 19v Turkey became not only technologically backward, but socially and politically, and turned into the backyards of Europe. When it occurred? There is only one answer, after the Janissary suppression of 1826, when the Slavic Janissaries were defeated and dispersed, then Turkey already had no victories, and Turkey had constantly French advisors, British, then Germans, now Americans.

[kalibr]

And technologically, too, the Janissaries zerobili? Why did it fall?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

And technologically, too, the Janissaries zerobili? Why did it fall?

in general, Turkey was a country where they spoke Russian and understood this language well. Take the same source - Journey to the holy land of priest Lukyanov this is the beginning of the 18th century. He describes Turkey there, that Turks are tall and attractive, because many Turks are born from Russian slaves understand in Russian. Well, the fact that the Janissaries were Slavs is a well-known fact.
Those. as long as the Russians in Turkey were - this was a powerful power, after the Russians had been outbid, the country began to bend.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Bar1

In general, Turkey was a state where they spoke Russian and this language was well understood

I readily imagine two Turks in pure Russian shouting out in the plains of Asia Minor:
- Hey, Ahmet, are you going today for the evening prayer?
- No, Ali, my donkey is sick, his mother is razetak, I will lead to the doctor.
And from the neighboring minaret you can hear: Aguzu billahi minash-shaitanir-raim Bismillakhir rakhmanir raheem, may your will be holy, may your kingdom come ...

Quote: Bar1

Those. as long as the Russians in Turkey were - this was a powerful power, after the Russians had been outbid, the country began to bend.

Quote: Bar1

When did it happen? The answer is one, after the Janissary suppression of 1826, when the Janissaries of the Slavs were defeated and dispersed, then Turkey had no victories anymore

Attention scientific discovery.
Since the battle of Molodah, Russia waged an irreconcilable civil war with its people - the Turks. Subjects to the universal contempt and ostracism of the Zaporozhian bandits who wrote such an insulting letter to the Russian Turkish sultan. Rumyantsev, Potemkin, Suvorov, Ushakov, Kutuzov - punitive Slavic people, carefully and deliberately destroying its color - january.

You all listen to the whole world three hundred years ago spoke exclusively in Russian. First Italy, now Turkey, where else? I don’t follow much of your creativity, if I may say so, but sometimes I come across something that just stays my eyes. Tell me right away, in Fomenkovo ​​directly and without equivocation - the whole world spoke Russian until the 18th century. or were there other languages ​​on our planet? Are all cultural, scientific and military achievements owned by Russians or has anyone else on the planet done something positive? And if not “all” and not “all”, then deign to name at least a couple of great achievements, historical figures or regions that would not be Russian, until the 18th century, naturally. To me, and not only to me, it would be extremely interesting.
Now about Lukyanov. The main question: did you read it yourself? I doubt it, but if you read it, then remember how many times he complained in his story that he couldn’t talk to anyone without a translator upon arriving in Istanbul?

And we were sad and mournful: they came to a foreign kingdom, we don’t know the language, but the Turks took the goods;

And this is in the capital, the crossroads of trade routes, where the main population since Greek times and the Slavs, Jews, Armenians have always been abundant. Istanbul has always been similar to Turkey even less than modern Moscow to Russia. And you, using tendentiously nagged quotations from one source, try, completely ignoring everything else (a lot of historical material), to build the conclusions of "cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity" and at the same time do not hesitate to present them in the presence of mentally healthy people for the most part " with university education. "
Would envy your self-righteousness if it were not based on extremely simplistic concepts and absolutely amazing ignorance. Truly, many knowledge - many sorrows.

[Mikado]

Mikhail, do not tell Viktor Nikolayevich about the Janissary, please! He didn’t seem to notice .. and then it’s boring lately without Rev. Veni, and here such a reincarnation of judgments! VN will break down! do not lard the fat, only calvados!

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Mikado

do not lard the fat, only calvados!

I do not even think about deceiving. I myself sit with the chips at the screen and will enjoy. Although neither fat nor calvados I do not mind.

Eh, somehow I have not been lucky with opponents lately. I myself am busy and I cannot give them enough attention to them, then they ...
With the user Bar1 I will try to handle gently and carefully - he is the only one left with us.

[ruskih]

With the user Bar1 I will try to handle gently and carefully - he is the only one left with us.

Golden words! Precisely let him express his point of view, this contributes to a good mood for everyone. Thanks for your comment above! Bravo!
It’s in vain that only your opponent wrote that

after the Russians were exterminated,

wrong not exterminated))! Proof ... Here is a Turkish film starring exclusively Turks

[Mikado]

"Oh miss .. Nice meeting!"(Mr. E. Hyde)
Hello, hello! You rarely spoil us with your attention, for which our hairy part of the team suffers! thanks for the wonderful movie!
Regarding the Turks: Gumilyov perfectly described that for hundreds of years of conquest, the Seljuk Turkmen “absorbed so much new blood” - Slavic, Greek, Arab, etc., which are sometimes indistinguishable from us. The main difference is the mentality. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Turks in the film are similar to us in appearance, moreover, they selected just such. By the way, among the Chechens and Ingushs there are also a lot of red and fair-haired!
Regarding the Janissaries, Timur is mistaken. The Janissaries were an elite army during the Ottoman conquests. After that, they recruited not only ethnic non-Turks, the corps turned into Turkish in composition, and, one might say .. "degenerated"! Because by the end of the 18th - beginning of the 19th century they forgot how to fight, and turned into an alternative to our archers - we really don’t know how to fight, but we regularly organize riots and swing the rights! And they were treated the same way as Peter and the archers - eliminated them, for they dragged the whole country "down." Only in our country this happened more than a hundred years earlier.

[Bar1]

Putin greeted the Turkish soldiers. Merhaba Asker.

[Weyland]

Quote: Bar1

Putin greeted the Turkish soldiers. Merhaba Asker.

only “merhaba” is an Arabic word, not a Turkish one!

[Trilobite Master]

Thank you, Elena.
Regarding the appearance of the Turks, I can only say that those whom I saw personally are small and black.
However, I had such an impression in my time about the Montenegrins as well, until I was brought from the coastal areas (Bar, Ulcinj) to the mountainous (Zhablyak). As soon as the road went up into the mountains and gable roofs appeared on the houses, the locals met at once became high, light-eyed and light-haired. Not 100%, of course, but still ...
I suggest you, and at the same time Bar1, to reflect on the task, which, to my shame, I personally came to mind recently.
Rusichi called their nomadic neighbors Polovtsy from the word "chaff", that is, straw, because these nomads had blond hair that resembled straw in color. Attention to the question: what color were the hair of the ancient Rusians, if they were so strikingly different from the nomads that they chose as the main distinguishing feature?

[Mikado]

Attention to the question: what color was the hair of the ancient Rus, mainly, if they were so strikingly different from the nomads that they chose as the main distinguishing feature?

they were ashen blondes! Or shaved bald!

[ruskih]

Well, since the question is for me, and apart from Nikolai no one answered ... I will try. I didn’t live at that time, I didn’t see it. You can only rely on certain descriptions, but whether they are reliable or not, everyone decides for himself. Interpretation of translations is the most diverse. One thing can be said, you men, in those days, cared about your beauty and attractiveness, as long as your beard was curled and painted with saffron. )))) Oh, it seems to me, were red, if in the descriptions, the word red is often mentioned.
Konstantin Balmont.
I am Russian
I am Russian, I am blond, I am red.
Born and raised under the sun.
Not at night. Do not believe? Look here
Into a wave of golden hair.

I am Russian, I am red, I am blond.
I went from sea to sea.
I lowered amber beads
I forged the links for the censer.

I'm red, I'm blond, I'm Russian.
I know both wisdom and nonsense.
I walk along the narrow path
I will come - like a wide dawn.

1921

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: ruskih

Oh, it seems to me, were red, if in the descriptions, the word red is often mentioned.

I also thought over the problem, thought and thought, and came to the same conclusion, only in a different way.
Straw, as the dominant color, we exclude, it is clear why.
Flax-colored hair was characteristic of Finno-Ugric, this color was also distinguished by Novgorodians, as strange, it means that it disappears.
The name "blond" in relation to hair color, probably comes from the Scandinavians, who, according to most scientists (we will not argue ) and were called Slavs by the word "Russia", by analogy with such names of other tribes as "all", "Lop", "Vod", "Chud", etc., and with the arrival of Rurik and his colleagues, this name migrated to the whole earth ("the land of Russia"), subject to dynasties. Let the hypothesis and not perfect, but very real.
Black color can also be excluded - it is dominant and if Slavs were dark in mass, the first blondes in the new time would appear in Russia only with hydrogen peroxide.
The exception method is only red, nothing can be done
It turns out that in the XI - XII century. fiery-red, freckled men and aunts ran across the East European Plain, and everyone who was not like them was called by ugly names like "straws", well, that is, the Polovtsy ...

In general, it may well be why not ...

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

Attention to the question: what color was the hair of the ancient Rus, mainly, if they were so strikingly different from the nomads that they chose as the main distinguishing feature?

This is the etymology of the farmer, but the farmer is not a friend of the Russian people, because the farmer declares all the Russian words borrowed.
As for the token _polov_, the word itself is some kind of rarely used or even not used at all. Most likely the word is synthetic, not Russian and was created for special purposes, such as your question.

[Mikado]

With the user Bar1 I will try to handle gently and carefully - he is the only one left with us.

Michael, how do you feel about philosophical theories about the universal happiness of blacks and alcoholics? wait for the next "Poisoned Feather", and try there to "treat gently"

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

Since the Battle of Molody, Russia has waged an implacable civil war with its people, the Turks.

and that was and it was civil wars, but with the use of ideological i.e. religious weapons.

Quote: Trilobite Master

Tell me right away, in Fomenkovsky directly and without equivalents - THE WHOLE world spoke Russian until the XNUMXth century. or were there other languages ​​on our planet? ALL cultural, scientific and military achievements belong to the Russians or did someone else on the planet do something positive?

true so. And the more Russian genes and Russian upbringing remain in the people, the better they look and the more advanced they are technologically.

Quote: Trilobite Master

And if not “all” and not “all,” then deign to name at least a couple of great achievements, historical figures or regions that were not Russian, until the XNUMXth century, of course.

Well, sorting out all the achievements of the Russians is difficult, a lot of them. I will call such.
- Law of Lomonosov-Lavoisier on the conservation of matter. So. Lomonosov described this law in letters to Euler as early as the 50s of the 18th century, and Lavoisier was able to repeat the same only in the 80s of the 18th century, but this Lavoisier could read the published description of this law, then why and on what basis was Lavoisier attributed to the discovery of this law ? This theft i.e. plagiarism.
-Or here’s the invention of the Lodygin incandescent light bulb, and Edison came up with only the base, but as usual, “civilized humanity” attributed this discovery to Edison, the same theft of intellectual property.
-Opening the radio. Everyone knows this story.
-First plane -Mozhaysky. The plane flew by a little, but the main word was FLY, and laurels were written by the Americans Wright.
-Invention of a parachute. Gleb Kotelnikov invented, but the laurels were given to the Frenchman.
-The first internal combustion engine for a car Daimler Benz was a Russian engineer Lutsk, but for some reason the Germans threw his name from the history of the company, although by right the company should be called Lutsk-Benz.
- A very strange and confusing story with the invention of a steam engine, some sources say that James Watt was in Russia and was in the commission for the acceptance of Polzunov’s machine, and then he returned home to Scotland and made a car and gave his name to the power unit.
You can write a lot, as long as enough. It was all Russian. And the main problems of the Russian people were with the Romanovs, who arranged serfdom and censorship for the Russians and generally suppressed the freedom of creativity, the same thing is happening now.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Bar1

Well, to sort through all the achievements of the Russians, it is difficult for them.

Well, I didn't doubt that. I would not dare to ask for this, because even in my opinion the list of these achievements is simply huge.
Now I will repeat my request, as it was written.

And if not “all” and not “all”, then deign to name at least a couple of great achievements, historical personalities or regions, which NOT would be Russian, BEFORE XVIII century. Naturally.

In the text I highlighted some points that seemed to you, probably insignificant, but in my opinion, they still had to be taken into account by you when drafting the answer. Try to read carefully again, and if you decide to answer, I will be grateful to you.
In general, I like your theory. As one of the users of this resource, Voyak Uh, says, Jews have something like a saying that says that Jews are the smartest, and if someone is smarter than a Jew, then he is a Jew himself. I see something similar in you. If it is impossible to prove that some accomplishment was done by the Russians, then we will prove that those who did it were Russians. And if it fails to prove this (anything can happen), then we will prove that there was no accomplishment, so phantoms of history, such as Antiquity.
So, in your opinion, the degree of greatness of any nation, the grandeur of its accomplishments and achievements, the higher the content of "Russian genes" in it. A "Russian gene", probably R1a, I understand correctly? Is he Aryan, respectively, right? That is, speaking about the "Russian gene" we are talking about the Aryan gene. And now listen:

Quote: Bar1

And the more ARYAN genes and ARIAN education remains in the people, the better they look and more technologically advanced.

I changed your quote somewhat, sorry. In this form, it does not remind you of anything?

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

Quote: Bar1

Well, to sort through all the achievements of the Russians, it is difficult for them.

And if not “all” and not “all”, then deign to name at least a couple of great achievements, historical personalities or regions, which NOT would be Russian, BEFORE XVIII century. Naturally.

In the text I highlighted some points that seemed to you, probably insignificant, but in my opinion, they still had to be taken into account by you when drafting the answer. Try to read carefully again, and if you decide to answer, I will be grateful to you.
And the "Russian gene", probably R1a, I understand correctly? He is Aryan, respectively, right? That is, speaking of the "Russian gene" we are talking about the Aryan gene. Now listen:

Quote: Bar1

And the more ARYAN genes and ARIAN education remains in the people, the better they look and more technologically advanced.

I changed your quote somewhat, sorry. In this form, it does not remind you of anything?

as they say we don’t hold vegetarian, except for an omelet with ham.
For example, the discovery of the photoelectric effect was prescribed to Stoletov, but you know why Einstein received the Nobel Prize? For the discovery of the photoelectric effect.

Quote: Trilobite Master

In general, I like your theory. According to one of the users of this resource, Warrior Wow, the Jews have a kind of proverb that says that Jews are the smartest, and if anyone is smarter than a Jew, he is a Jew himself.

Well, I'm not a Jew, so I’m incapable of thinking in paradoxes.

Quote: Trilobite Master

Quote: Bar1
And the more ARYAN genes and ARIAN education remains in the people, the better they look and more technologically advanced.
I changed your quote somewhat, sorry. In this form, it does not remind you of anything?

what can I say, apparently not 100% of them had errors, somewhere that was true and the Europeans liked that truth, otherwise why would they do that?

[Trilobite Master]

So, any significant historical figures, historical events, scientific discoveries or cultural achievements of antiquity, to which the Russians would have no relation before the XVIII century. does not exist if I correctly understood your refusal to answer this question. Well, for a person who shares, even if not all 100%, the Nazi ideology, this answer is quite natural. It remains only to remind you what the Nazis have finished, and also that the decisive help in reaching this end was provided to them by those in whose language you are pleased to speak. I do not think that those of your ancestors or relatives who participated in the Great Patriotic War would approve your position.

Quote: Bar1

Apparently not all 100% had misconceptions, somewhere that was true

From myself I will answer that I don’t know a more miserable, primitive and harmful ideology for its bearers than the ideology of Nazism. Supporters of such an ideology correspond to the same epithets as well. I strongly recommend that you audit your own views on these issues as quickly as possible, otherwise you will bring a lot of harm not only to yourself, but also to others, although in your case, perhaps you should say "not only to others, but to yourself" to make it clearer.

Dear colleagues, are there still among you those who doubt that the "new chronology", just like DNA genealogy and other-other theories of "super-ethnos" lead to ordinary fascism?

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

I strongly recommend that you revise your own views on these issues as soon as possible, otherwise you will do a lot of harm not only to yourself, but also to others, although in your case, you should probably say "not only to others, but also to yourself" in order to make it clearer.

I think that to offer something suitable for modern ideology you cannot.

Quote: Trilobite Master

important colleagues, are there still among you those who doubt that the “new chronology”, just like DNA genealogy and other other theories of “superethnoses” lead to ordinary fascism?

this is not bad, before the traditions shouted that the Fomenkovites were turning away from the Russian idea, and now they were shouting that they were fascists. There would be nothing to shout when there was essentially nothing to cover.
Hitler and his ideology was stolen in terms of symbolism from the same Aryans - this is a swastika, and nationalism was taken in part from the bible, when a well-known character selected from all nations - “chosen one” and provided them with various preferences at the expense of other nations. This is so common the plot and everyone knows about it.
If you open a Jewish book, then there you can find things such as improving your well-being by belittling another person of an un chosen people. This is also a fact. And what about Hitler’s past fascism when I’m more concerned with the currently quite prosperous Jewish fascism, for example, in relation to the Palestinian or Syrian peoples?

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Bar1

I think that to offer something suitable for modern ideology you cannot.

I can. I suggest you practice an imperial ideology based on tolerance and pragmatism. This means that the greater the benefit a person brings to the state, the higher his position in this state, regardless of nationality and social origin.

Quote: Bar1

This is not bad, before the tradition shouted that the Fomenkovists turned away from the Russian idea, and now they shout that they are fascists.

I do not know who used to shout, but one does not interfere with the other, rather complements. To identify the Russian idea and fascism ... Never would the Russians with the ideas of cave nationalism build states like the Russian Empire and the USSR.

Quote: Bar1

I'm more worried about modern flourishing Jewish fascism

Jewish, Polish, Estonian, Latvian fascism - all this is imposed artificially in order to distract people from the fact that their states have lost their state sovereignty. Worry better for Russia. If you can manage to kindle a nationalist fire in it, only the Volga-Oka interfluve and a dozen separate national states like Buryatia, Bashkiria, Mordovia, Kalmykia, Dagestan, etc., where Russians will be hated by all means, will remain of Russia -for such narrow-minded nationalists, how you present yourself here.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

How does DNA genealogy lead to fascism? So we can say that eating bread with meat leads to fascism. The degree of validity is exactly the same.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

How does DNA genealogy lead to fascism?

Here you are in front of Bar1, having read Fomenko. How I came to nationalistic, close to fascist ideas, I don’t know - it happened before reading Fomenko or after, but, unequivocally, the theories of Fomenko, Nosovsego, and other newly-hronolozhely influenced him and turned out to be that rich medium that supports energy in him narrow-minded nationalism. Although initially ATFomenko did not pawn anything like this in his concept.
As for Klesov, his no less pseudoscientific "discoveries" are also called upon to prove the genetic superiority of the Russian nation over the others - what about us, the Aryans, the inventors of everything and everyone, carrying the light of civilization into the world, the engines of progress. Well, after that - we owned both that land and this (hint - return the Russians to their land), then it’s about the great mission, well, in the end, replacing the Hitlerite compasses on researching haplogroup membership.
You just have to think a couple of steps forward, try to catch the news of the development of these theories and draw conclusions. Well, if you think about why the general popularization of these theories can lead, then to think about who and why this is needed is no longer required. For example, I obviously see that some anonymous forces ( ) purposefully and consistently developing a nationalistic ideology in the Russian Federation, only if previously the target of these forces were marginally-minded young people under the age of 25 years (neo-fascist political groups, gangs of football fans, etc.), now the vector of efforts has changed to another the audience is middle and old age, relatively well-to-do, with at least a secondary, and better, a higher education.
Look closely.

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

Now about Lukyanov. The main question: did you read it yourself? I doubt it, but if you read it, then remember how many times he complained in his story that he couldn’t talk to anyone without a translator upon arriving in Istanbul?

Yes, I read, but Lukyanov does not say that ALL Turks understood Russian, but many spoke.
On this page there are a lot of things that the White Sea, which is now called the Mediterranean and GOLES, is the most interesting thing about the people about Turkish, who they are.

[kalibr]

I asked you a direct question! Instead, some ... excuses. Once again - the Slavs-Janissaries also engaged in technology? Or did they have a completely different position?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

I asked you a direct question! Instead, some ... excuses. Once again - the Slavs-Janissaries also engaged in technology? Or did they have a completely different position?

faithful Janissaries are the troops of the empire and as warriors i.e. weapons customers were of course very demanding on the manufacture of equipment and weapons, so the quality standards of weapons were determined of course by Janissaries-Slavs.
But the fact that it was the Russians who were very advanced in the development of weapons. So Dalamber and Didro wrote in their encyclopedia. The Muscovites were the first to invent the Musket.

[kalibr]

Are you serious? That is, the Janissaries were demanding of weapons, and the Sipahs took all shit, right? And about the inventors of the Muscovites it’s just ridiculous, like about the Arabs of the inventors of the carbine and the Italians - the gun ... You can’t understand everything literally. And someone wrote that the Earth stands on elephants ... Since the ancient - knew better? Do not make me laugh at night like that, I won’t fall asleep ... And what kind of Janissaries were the Slavs? Culture is not transmitted with birth. Children were taken small, brought up in devotion to Allah, passed on their culture. From them, except that the Slavic muzzle remained, and so the horseradish was cut off and the mentality is different!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Are you serious? That is, the Janachars were demanding of weapons, and the sipahs took all shit, right?

I don’t know about sipahs, but it’s precisely the Janissaries, those who conquered the European countries.

The d'Alembert Encyclopedia is a respected source, and what do you have against it?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

And what were the Janissaries Slavs? Culture is not transmitted with birth. Children were taken small, brought up in devotion to Allah, passed on their culture. From them, except that the Slavic muzzle remained, and so the horseradish was cut off and the mentality is different!

this again is not true, I cited a scan from Lukyanov’s book that, for example, in those days in Istanbul, the Turks had a quarter other Russians and Greeks. So the people, that is, LANGUAGE, the Janissaries were Russian, and with it the Russian worldview.

[Korsar4]

Where about helmets?

"The film, part seven, here you can eat.
I have not seen the previous six "(c)

I never liked to stand in lines and ask for something.

By the way, I was in the "English Compound" recently. The museum is modest, but the attitude was pleasant.

And yet - I probably prefer the words to the picture - whatever Leonardo da Vinci would say.

[baudolino]

With signed, but not published photos - it turned out spectacularly).

[Mikado]

Very sorry. Really sorry. This happens sometimes.

[ICT]

and so does not go chtoli

Shield Alexei Mikhailovich, XVII century. Turkey. Rods, satin silver, jade, pearls, turquoise, gilding, chasing, inlay. (The Kremlin Armory)


and the signature "telegrams for free internet"

well or whatever
https://www.kreml.ru/exhibitions/exhibitions-abro
ad / shankhay-sokrovishchnitsa-russkikh-samoderzhts
ev /

[ICT]

Helmet - “hat of Jericho”
Turkey, XVI century Damask steel, precious stones, turquoise; forging, chasing, notching in gold. Belonged to the boyar - Prince F.I. Mstislavsky.

[kalibr]

You can, I - no! And the site too.

[ICT]

next time contact, I will help than I can

[kalibr]

Oh, yes, I can wipe myself, anything and from anywhere. Legally impossible! Only "public domain" is the "public domain" or with the permission of the owners.

[bubalik]

,,, The price for the right to publish one image of a museum item on the site is 6500 rubles

,,,but ,, in Texas swords can be freely carried, and with us such laws ,,
Production of graphic, printed, souvenir and other replicated products and consumer goods using images of museum objects and museum collections, buildings of museums, objects located in the territories of museums, as well as using their names and symbols, is carried out with the permission of the directorates of museums.
Federal Law on 26.05.1996 N 54-FZ (ed. From 28.12.2017) "On the Museum Fund of the Russian Federation and Museums in the Russian Federation" Art.36

[Mikado]

Production of graphic, printed, souvenir and other replicated products and consumer goods using images of museum objects and museum collections, buildings of museums, objects located in the territories of museums, as well as using their names and symbols, is carried out with the permission of the directorates of museums.

It seems, Sergey, this is due precisely to what makes a profit - products. The use of materials on our website (which is free!) Does not bear such responsibility. The only thing is that you must indicate the links if you link to archives, or publish their materials - fund, inventory, deed, sheet.

[bubalik]

Mikado (Nikolai) Today, 14: 31

,,, aah for a photo in the museum pay! pay for the snow! sneezed, thanks said, pay too! where the world is heading
,, here is a rare helmet (honestly dragged from the internet)

[Mikado]

here is a rare helmet smile (honestly dragged from the internet) laughing

Well, you didn’t get a profit for him? except our thanks! Hmm, looking at this helmet, I understood the expression: "Pull something there on the globe" ....

[bubalik]

"To pull something there on the globe"

,,not this is not a feathered predator, but a waterfowl, on a coconut shell

,,, and people and animals of that time, all in armor ,,

[Mikado]

this is not a feathered predator, but a waterfowl, on a coconut shell

that is, the expression “pull on a coconut” is more suitable here? Bravo, bravo! and whose helmet is it? I mean, the country?

[bubalik]

Mikado (Nikolai) Today, 16: 41

,, Warriors of the island state of Kiribati ,, somewhere in the Pacific,

[Mikado]

do not want to write an article? I look, they have not only helmets "not quite ordinary" but maybe the esteemed Caliber will want to write?

[bubalik]

dear Caliber wants to write?

,, yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich so those articles "nakidali" , at the expense of teaching can go

[kalibr]

And here I can please you. I finally parted with my native university. He calculated the volumes of labor costs, remuneration and .. decided that it was better not to work than to work. Publishers are standing in line here, they invited me to the editorial board of an interesting magazine, and I’m breaking a hump in high school ... They will manage! So why not look and write ?!

[Korsar4]

And the optimization of the university takes place?

[3x3zsave]

They themselves split, I was silent like a fish on ice.

[kalibr]

This is more ethnography than history ...

[Han Tengri]

Quote: Mikado

Hmm, looking at this helmet, I understood the expression: "Pull something there on the globe" ....

, not laughing, this is not a feathered predator, but a waterfowl, on a coconut shell drinks

This thing, rather, personifies the word "comb", and, in the literal sense. And this fish can do without coconut. The main thing is to fix it in time.

[Mikado]

did not try. They offered to take a picture with a starfish for three seconds (otherwise it will die!), I refused. God forbid what goes wrong! Sorry ....

[Han Tengri]

Yes, I'm joking. About fixation, in the sense.

[kalibr]

Polynesia, what about ...

[3x3zsave]

"Rain with hail, three hundred lire !!!" (m / f "Chippolino")
And with snow - everything is simple. Write on the snowdrift "bulk" - in a couple of hours it will be removed! (Invented in St. Petersburg)

[kalibr]

I am not against this law, not at all. But it is necessary to conform in its application with the capabilities of Russian citizens and the goals of increasing the cultural level of the Russian population.

[Mikado]

So, with regards to interactions with museums, I would simplify the procedure. Vyacheslav Olegovich, my opinion is that archival workers "are sitting on a bag of gold." Moreover, there is a secret fig and not a fig at the moment. Simplify the procedure, but at least establish an electronic document management! The same receipt can be sent electronically, and everyone is watching the payment in the client bank. You sent a letter - you were sent the bill - paid - arrived at the appointed time - signed - received! Earn money, let them to development and bonuses! and you feel good, and everyone else is good! But..
You had an example. When the drawings were sent for free and quickly.

[bubalik]

workers archives "sit on a bag of gold"

,,, and some museum staff and on real

[Mikado]

Well, if it’s the Diamond Fund, where our dear GlavKot (see the first comment on the branch) scratched his entrance, then some of some - even on a bag of diamonds!

[Cat]

Nikolay, to be honest - this is more than a serious problem!
Last year I arrived in Moscow with my daughter in the month of March. The program is at least as usual but without the Bolshoi Theater. The only blow to the nose was when buying tickets to the Kremlin Diamond Fund. I arrived in an hour, took the turn of the fifth or sixth, I don’t remember now. At 9:00 the ticket office opens at 9:03 the tickets end. A hut for a club grandma home. The next day, I ran to the box office at 5:15. An hour later, every second dog, every first police outfit and even the FSO’s cowlings checked me. After two, I managed to drink coffee with a couple from Germany, I knew the nicknames of horses and service dogs of the PSP, details of the personal life of the janitors and all that. At the third hour, when the first huckster guide escaped and tried to get ahead of me, perhaps for the first time in my life I had a desire to kill a man. The most interesting thing was that he realized that he could not live and he kindly began to scream that he was second and he was just warmer at the door. But another thing surprised me - everyone with whom I talked to the wound from the watchman to the FSO officer came up and pointed at me saying "he is the first"! By the time the ticket office opened, I already had a tour of Moscow and the Urals with the guides themselves. Moreover, some managed to simultaneously translate my stories to their groups.

[bubalik]

In 9: 00 tickets open at 9: 03 tickets are running out.

,,, Cash desk works with 9: 00 to 16: 30, break from 12: 00 to 13: 00. Please note that in the summer and on weekends there are especially many who wish to visit the exhibition. The sale of tickets for the first half of the day starts at 9: 00, the sale of tickets for the second half of the day at 13: 00. Therefore, if you want to be guaranteed to get into the Diamond Fund, you must go to the checkout in 9: 00 or in 13: 00.
Source: https://www.msk-guide.ru/page_10196.htm

[Cat]

Dear for the first time, I "pinned" for an hour ie at 8:00!

[Mikado]

just like in OVIR for citizenship. True, they come earlier there .. dear Sergey with us, Vladislav, celebrates one holiday! Well, what can I say .. Moscow! The last time I was there in November 2010, I went to study. My brother and I went to the Riga Station Museum. There were no people there at all! Therefore .. it is clear why the Diamond Fund is so crowded. All there, as if on a plastered place with honey, flock! I gave an example - I wandered through the empty halls of the Hermitage (kulah — from there), into which no one goes, and these halls are the most interesting, only no one knows about them, shhhh! Because all the main excursions lead to the most visited halls!
I do not know what is there with excursions to the pantry of the Hermitage. I was not there. But maybe something similar. And Mikado eschews places where there are a lot of people ..
Yes, someone, tell our GlavPushmanKot that his syllable is wonderful! You can write novels, you read a comment!

[kalibr]

There is a lot to do! You come to our Penza State Archive to 10.00 and ... You have no place! With 8.00, all are occupied by grandmothers, seekers of their pedigrees. They let only nonresident researchers - they have a business trip, this is sacred. And I need to clarify the photo in the newspaper ... I told them: "Nafig you this whim is still not the countess!" And they told me: "We work under the order of 10000 p. To find ancestors from other cities." And again in smelly books !!! And someone - "But not interesting!". And what to do? To take money from them, to expand the room? There is no queue in the archive of the CPSU, but it’s filthy inside and it stinks of a cat ... and I have to go far.

[Mikado]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is the Pareto law. It’s easier to complete an order for a million than to butt with a lunatic private trader for a thousand - from personal experience! the biggest problems are due to small orders. What there this private trader wanders into the head - we can not know in advance. And large orders are made by professionals! here is your "not countess" .. all the places are occupied.

[Curious]

Yes, helmets, shells, museums. It seems about the war, but I was drawn to philosophy. I don’t know why, but behind these trees in the form of inaccessible museum displays I see a forest. In the sense that the situation with museums is a particular manifestation of something more global. Could this be the next tragedy of the Russian intelligentsia? One can see behind all this the figure of the unforgettable Vasisual Lokhankin in a white Marseille blanket, with a book clasped to his chest and wandering eyes. Do not find, Vyacheslav Olegovich !?

[kalibr]

You are absolutely right, Viktor Nikolaevich! For all 100%. And why, apart from me, none of my colleagues from the department are published here (well, almost nobody!). He proposed topics: "Philosophy and War", "War and Philosophy", "Philosophy of War", "Philosophers of the Past on War and Peace". And where is it? For a number of "objective" and "subjective" reasons, there is no and will not be, although philosophers have the floor of the department ... And there is much more that is "specific". The circle of these people is narrow, they are terribly far from the people ... Although someone started as a cleaner, and someone ... well, in general, from completely unintelligent families. So right, you see all this ...

[3x3zsave]

Vyacheslav Olegovich, once again you want to hear that you are unique and ascetic? You are the only one and ascetic! And your former colleagues are lazy and mercantile subjects.

[kalibr]

If they were mercantile ... That's the thing! IF!!! And they are just not mercantile ... In the sense that you are investing in this word. And this is the worst ... One twice offered a job for money twice as much as her salary ... And she - "so you have to sit there ...". Not so simple. For example, they are afraid to read comments ... They say "Who are the judges?" Ah, here it is! This is my skin like a rhino.

[3x3zsave]

I didn’t say “greedy”!

[kalibr]

You just don’t know them. I know that. And justice in judgments is important ... There are people who are very sensitive to the opinions of others, there are people who have had a hard time getting their careers, there are those who are just having a hard time writing, and they are being asked. And then there are students, among whom are smart. These are such problems. And here they also offer to write somewhere on the site ... And there are comments ...

[3x3zsave]

And here the particulars begin. I am ready to apologize to your colleagues. But there is a nuance. Either the "Pareto law" works for everyone, or it is "property." That is: "well, you have to understand that she has children (difficult childhood, husband-alcohol, heavy heredity, unrequited love, mortgage, oncology).

[Mikado]

And your former colleagues are lazy and mercantile subjects.

M.S. Panikovsky expressed himself even more clearly: "You are a small, insignificant person!". there’s nothing to blame. Someone was created to be the initiator, in someone there is a streak, in the rest - no. We are all different. Family, parenting, financial situation, stereotypes of behavior. Someone is acting, someone is putting out. I, too, having got on the "citizen", could not come to my senses for a long time.
Anton, an active "miserable" is more important than all "deeply spiritual fighters for the rights of blacks." By the way - the benefits of the country, family, society from him much more!

[Curious]

I even got the idea of ​​an article, "Anthology of the tragedy of the Russian intelligentsia." Then he drove off this thought, for this pride is to write such topics. Thinkers worked in this field, and here I ...

[3x3zsave]

Already been. "Everything is stolen before us," unfortunately. See "Three Sisters" by A.P. Chekhov

[Curious]

No, the suffering of the Zimmerman sisters is somewhat different. Yes, they were doing business, they kept the school, they taught children. I was interested in modern types, let's put it this way - today's Vasisualia Lokhankiny. Even on our site there are wonderful specimens such as a branch of the Rurikov tree, which, if I had the talent of Chekhov, could decorate with my person the corresponding story in the pages, in the absence of "Russian Thought", for example, the magazine "October".

[kalibr]

Quote: Mikado

You had an example. When the drawings were sent for free and quickly.

This is an exception!!!

[Doliva63]

“Yes, let the crimes of the“ builders of the new society ”once again show everyone and everyone that nothing needs to be built by force. You just need to live and then everything will come by itself.”
I heard on the 8th km. Sibrakt Internet spent - thought a joke. It turns out true

[Curious]

Subtle humor. Been in Yekaterinburg.

[3x3zsave]

Cry from the heart. I will subscribe to every word ... almost to every.

[kalibr]

Korsar4,
I don’t know, I don’t go there now ... Once!

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

A very strange and confusing story with the invention of a steam engine, some sources say that James Watt was in Russia and was on the commission for the acceptance of Polzunov’s machine, and then he returned home to Scotland and made a car and gave his name to the power unit.

Woe to us! Do you even know that Watt’s machine is steam and Polzunov’s is steam-atmospheric?

[Curious]

"... some sources say ... " And you can specify some of these sources. And then, in fact, even in his three-volume biography they write that he did not go to Russia.
In the early 70s, the Russian government offered the English engineer a "lesson that was consistent with his taste and knowledge," with an annual salary of 1000 p. Art. Poet Erasmus Darwin begged not to drive: "Oh God, how scared I was when I heard that a Russian bear hooked you with its huge paw and pulls you to Russia! I beg you not to drive, if only this is possible ... I hope your fire engine leaves you here". Hopes came true. In 1772, Watt signed a contract with M. Bolton, the owner of an engineering company in Soho near Birmingham. Bolton turned out to be an intelligent and far-sighted person and did not stint on the costs of creating new cars. Watt remained the chief mechanic of the plant until the end of his life.

[3x3zsave]

"... in some sources they write ..."
"... he drove the tales forward, and only after that he founded the IBM company."
"The moon is rigidly flying" (R. Heinlein)

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Bar1

A very strange and confusing story with the invention of a steam engine, some sources say that James Watt was in Russia and was on the commission for the acceptance of Polzunov’s machine, and then he returned home to Scotland and made a car and gave his name to the power unit.

Woe to us! Do you even know that Watt’s machine is steam and Polzunov’s is steam-atmospheric?

So what? Did Polzunov’s steam engine stop being that machine? And Polzunov himself created the machine again 20 years earlier than Vata, the story with Lomonosov and Lavoisier is repeated.

[Curious]

And before Polzunov there were steam engines?

[kalibr]

Is it so important that his car was a MACHINE ?! That's it! Well then, Heron of Alexandria was the first!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Is it so important that his car was a MACHINE ?! That's it! Well then, Heron of Alexandria was the first!

when they say that the Chinese built a videoconferencing system in which loopholes are deployed on the Chinese themselves or that the Chinese invented gunpowder, but used it only for crackers, or football, but for some reason they mastered this game only under 21c, or a compass, but they did not master the navigation facts can be questioned, and with this Heron, was it or wasn’t it?

[kalibr]

What is your strange way of having a discussion? You about one thing, you immediately about another. They don’t do it, it’s indecent. And here is the "wall". It's about a MACHINE. The machine of Heron is described, it means it was. Information is important. And why didn't the Chinese master seafaring? They sailed on huge ships to Africa ... So again: if you don’t know something and write, it’s not a shame. It’s a shame to fly like a pitchfork ...

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

What is your strange way of having a discussion? You about one thing, you immediately about another. They don’t do it, it’s indecent. And here is the "wall". It's about a MACHINE. Heron’s MACHINE is described, it means

so, we must come to a common denominator. I believe that antiquity is antireality, a phantom reality and was largely invented. So much of antiquity was invented, but then the Dark Ages came, then came the “revival” "-this story is contradictory, raises many questions, so let's not refer to this Heron. Moreover, the names of the letter _A_ Alexandria are precisely a sign of far-fetchedness.
Therefore, here is a source about Polzunov’s car, it says that Polzunov’s car was the FIRST in the world and was created from Zero, unlike Watt, and that Watt created his car much later than Polzunov. This gives the right to say that the birthright is preferences in opening the car should be given to Polzunov, and not to Watt.
I am not against the true discovery of this invention, especially since Watt was a Scotsman i.e. celt / gall, not an angel, i.e. Englishman. This is another story.
http://steampunker.ru/blog/history/68.html

[kalibr]

But before Polzunov there weren’t steam engines. And then what you think does not matter. Who are you, a member of the RAS? Do we read your monographs and articles? First GROW YOUR OPINION. The right to it must be EARNED! http://steampunker.ru/blog/history/68.html And this is not the source. Source - a monograph by a recognized author and not one.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

But before Polzunov there weren’t steam engines. And then what you think does not matter. Who are you, a member of the RAS? Do we read your monographs and articles? First GROW YOUR OPINION. The right to it must be EARNED! http://steampunker.ru/blog/history/68.html And this is not the source. Source - a monograph by a recognized author and not one.

but there are monographs on the study of the invention of steam engines?

[kalibr]

Imagine eating and a lot! But I would advise you to start by the level of your intellect with a very interesting book published back in the USSR. This is a book by Alexander Ivich, written by him back in 1930. Now it has been republished and designed very well. On the web she is.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

But before Polzunov there weren’t steam engines.

they write on the wiki that they were single-cylinder, but given our Russian slandered history and taking into account that performance i.e. The efficiency of a single-cylinder machine of that design was completely insignificant. So we can say that these machines were not human helpers, but more a burden or paper fantasy in general, like Da Vinci's drawings.

[kalibr]

The only difference is that Polzunov had two cylinders and that’s it. The car was steam-atmospheric, not steam! These are two big differences.

[YELLOWSTONE]

yes no, steam is also his, watt is only a regulator everything was so
and then it was also with the submarine Dzhevetskogo and much more than

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

And the more Russian genes and Russian upbringing remain in the people, the better they look and the more technologically advanced

Then in Russian after 1917, there was almost nothing Russian left. Soviet only, but it is bad ... because only 3 inventions were made from 1917 of the year to 1950 having world novelty.

[Curious]

And name these three!

[kalibr]

I will not name it yet. Let it remain the SECRET, "open secret", so to speak. I want to continue to have fun, otherwise it will be uninteresting.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Bar1

And the more Russian genes and Russian upbringing remain in the people, the better they look and the more technologically advanced

Then in Russian after 1917, there was almost nothing Russian left. Soviet only, but it is bad ... because only 3 inventions were made from 1917 of the year to 1950 having world novelty.

well it’s not true, take the weapon of victory,
-T-34
-Katyusha BM13
-PPSh
-IL2
-ZIS3
All these samples were created already by designers who grew up in the USSR.

[Curious]

And what is the global novelty of PPSh?

[Bar1]

Quote: Curious

And what is the global novelty of PPSh?

Shpagin's submachine gun is a very good machine gun, outstanding characteristics, simple cheap, but accurate (more precisely mp40), not capricious and killer. Real Weapon of Victory.

[kalibr]

You were directly asked! Directly and answer. No need to wag !!! WHAT IS THE WORLD NOVELTY OF PCA?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

You were directly asked! Directly and answer. No need to wag !!! WHAT IS THE WORLD NOVELTY OF PCA?

Well, what could be new with RD170? Everything is known, all processes are described, but the Americans cannot create such an engine, but ours can. The same thing and PPSh of his TTX turned out-OUTSTANDING.

[kalibr]

Created YES! But there is a difference between the designer and the INVENTOR, and the inventor, whose works have WORLD NOVELTY and small-town. But you still call these three inventions that had a world novelty. And you can’t, so honestly, without wagging and say - I DO NOT KNOW. Do not be ashamed not to know. We all don’t know what. I am ashamed to demonstrate blatant ignorance with aplomb!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

But you still call these three inventions that had a world novelty

in general, curios / sirios asked you about this. Although.
-Ponyatov, the invention of a VCR, we will consider?
-Yurkevich-invention of the shape of the body-stem -bulba.
-Zvorykin, the invention of television, shall we consider?
-Bass-Prokhorov-invention of the laser.
-Korolev-the invention of composite-multi-stage missiles.
-Alekseev-the first ekranoplan.
Yes, and the invention of the transistor, the American Bardin, also something like this story is not all clean, there is also a forgotten engineer Losev, the glow of semiconductors.

[kalibr]

So, for the indicated period, only three inventions received world, that is, international priority, that is, a issued certificate on stamped paper and with a seal. This is a synthesis of rubber, a once-through steam boiler and ... a safety lock for a mortar from double loading. EVERYTHING! Everything else is either design, that is, does not fall under the category of invention, or is controversial, such as, for example, the “composite Korolev rocket” (generally nonsense!) Or there are controversial patent issues. Or, it was not legally executed. And another years ... you don’t have to dump everything!

[Bar1]

Ermolieva-penicillin-crustazin.

In 1942, for the first time in the USSR, she received penicillin [2] (VIEM Krustosin), subsequently actively participated in the organization of its industrial production in the USSR. This invention saved thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers during the Great Patriotic War.

[kalibr]

Penicillin got Fleming.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Penicillin got Fleming.

see Kaverina -Open Book.

[kalibr]

Read TSB "This merit belongs to medical scientist Alexander Fleming. He was a professor in the laboratory of St. Mary's Hospital in London."

[Mordvin 3]

I’m not sure, but it seems like steaming cameras were invented in our twenties and thirties.

[kalibr]

World Novelty at T-34 ... Oh Lord! Why, why were you so angry with Timur that you SO deprived him of his mind?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

World Novelty at T-34 ... Oh Lord! Why, why were you so angry with Timur that you SO deprived him of his mind?

the use of armor in the form of inclined plates - this form of the hull was first proposed by Koshkin and Morozov and embodied in T34.

[kalibr]

Who deceived you so much and to whom do you write this? Inclined armor stood on ALL tanks starting with the MK-1. And it’s a shame not to know about the French FCM 36 tank. In fact, it’s best to order my latest book, “The Most Famous Tanks of the World” (with beautiful color pictures) and read, you will learn a lot of interesting things. Maybe somewhere on the OZONE you will find “Tanks of total wars” - there is even more details ... and about the shape of the corps too.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Who deceived you so much and to whom do you write this? Inclined armor stood on ALL tanks starting with the MK-1. And it’s a shame not to know about the French FCM 36 tank. In fact, it’s best to order my latest book, “The Most Famous Tanks of the World” (with beautiful color pictures) and read, you will learn a lot of interesting things. Maybe somewhere on the OZONE you will find “Tanks of total wars” - there is even more details ... and about the shape of the corps too.

maybe, but not this Frenchman, but the T34-was the best tank of all time, countries and peoples.

[kalibr]

We are not talking about which tank is better, but about the other: "the use of armor in the form of inclined plates is such a form of the hullfirst introduced Koshkin and Morozov and embodied in T34. "You wrote it. So there is no need to bustle. It was a priority. And in the USSR there was a BT-IS tank and much more with slanted armor to the T-34. So NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME! And buy a book! Good product!

[Bar1]

you can talk a lot about tanks and that diesel was the invention of the Diesel, and that the inclined armor plate was up to t34, but for some reason the Germans didn’t see it and they riveted their tigers, except for the panther with straight sheets, making it heavier. You can say that the first tracked Blinov invented the move, and the first steel tool was made by Obukhov, and the wedge-shaped castle was in Russia long before Krup.
One forum member in VO threw me a book about the invention of gunpowder,

http://www.airbase.ru/books/authors/t/tishunin-i-
v / powstory /

and so it says that the Americans STORED the production technology of smokeless powder developed by Mendeleev. And this is most likely true, because the Americans have long been spotted in theft.
What am I, of all that was created at that time, a good tank, protected, mobile, with a long engine life, firepower, etc. I got it from Koshkin and Morozov. The rest of the tanks are German, French, Czech (by the way, Russian the designer designed it for Romanov’s gold), the English and American ones were WORSE. Our people were able to compose / construct / process the entire human heritage and launch the finished product and mass production, therefore they passed the test like war. Another thing is that they didn’t give the Russians, as usual take advantage of the fruits of victory.

[kalibr]

It is about who is first, and not who is better. Can you read? Smokeless powder was invented by Viel, Mendeleev one of its options. Learn to finally understand that THERE ARE INVENTIONS and THERE ARE DESIGN, and these are DIFFERENT THINGS. And learn to answer directly posed questions DIRECTLY, do not pour slop of idiocy on your head.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

It is about who is first, and not who is better.

Well, Diesel came up with his engine first and how did he help his country? No way. But ours used this engine to the full. In short.
-T-34 is the best tank and it was created by the Russians; that is why the Russians, and not the Germans, won the war.

[kalibr]

But they have a pension of 1000 euros per man and 500 per woman, and with us many - 7800 p. And Diesel helped his country by paying for its patents in Germany, including Russia. And they paid a lot. There was even a Russian diesel company that bought a patent from him and remade his engine into pure oil.

[bubalik]

,,, and after all, May 18 museums staff will celebrate their professional holiday

[3x3zsave]

Yes, yes, and in St. Petersburg they have a "Museum Night", during which they organize a terrible hunt for neophytes! What the fuck King ?! That's where the horror is!

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

about sipahs

Find out first! How many there were and how many Janachars and the role of both in the army of the Sultan! Once again I am convinced: all the troubles are from incomplete knowledge.

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

more precisely mp40)

It was necessary to write a copy of MP-18 ... New in it is only production technology!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

MP-18 ...

MP18 and MP40 are different machines and even different designers.

[kalibr]

Constructors, but not the principle of action!

[tank66]

I, too, suffered from museum tyranny 10 years ago, in the History Museum No. 1 in Moscow. When the exhibits captivated me on the phone. Two special grandmothers tried to shake me, I remember 600 rubles, and when I did not succumb to racket, made an attempt to pick up the phone. But, as it warms up, youth prevailed. I share the booty:
/ Request to the moderators not to throw the word out of the song, literally, and not to ban, I already have 3 warnings. Instead of Russian letters, I will give a Latin transcription in this place. So :
both pictures from the exposition "Conquering Siberia by Ermak".

Camping cup of Ermak Timofeyitch. It is silver, 200 grams. In a circle, I assure everyone, absolutely readable, with commas / not joking / "pressed" inscription in Russian: DRINK, BLYA, WHERE IS

The expeditionary expeditionary cannon. Caliber 20-22 mm / I didn’t have time to find out precisely, because I was expelled from the hall /, the cannon has a convex inscription along the barrel: YAK I LET CITY NEMA

[Mordvin 3]

I do not see cups with an indecent word. And the little ponies have dimensions, twenty centimeters in length, or what?

[tank66]

Well, I say, I clicked on the phone. There is an inscription, there is, on the top rim .A "unicorn", yes, 40 cm long so that the shuttle does not flip

[tank66]

In, damn it, my picture with the glass stopped growing. Dublin just in case

[Bar1]

Trilobite Master,

I suggest you practice the imperial ideology based on tolerance and pragmatism. This means that the more a person benefits the state, the higher his post in that state, regardless of nationality and social origin.

you from what tribune tell people such words about tolerance will throw you tomatoes and socks. And for the "pragmatism" they will add more eggs.

Now there is not a single Russian in the government, and what are the results of Putin’s rule over 18 years?
According to the Legatum Prosperity Index. For a long time, Russia has occupied honorable places in the EIGHT TEN between Vietnam and Sri Lanka.
http://finansiko.ru/uroven_zhizni_naseleniya_ross
ii_stran_mira_2014 /

Russians with the ideas of cave nationalism would never have built such states as the Russian Empire and the USSR.

caveman is not necessary. But do not forget your nationality.

If you and your kind are able to kindle a nationalist fire in it, Russia will only have the Volga-Oka interfluve, and a half dozen separate national states such as Buryatia, Bashkiria, Mordovia, Kalmykia, Dagestan, etc., where they will hate the Russians with all their might -for such narrow-minded nationalists as you represent yourself here.

do not make me laugh. Small nations can squabble only from behind America. This is, secondly, even the Poles are the most malicious Russophobes, but ordinary people respect and respect the Russian people. National discord is incited by politicians using Western bankers' money. It is necessary to conduct the right national policy based on our own history. and most importantly do not lie like you.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Bar1

But do not forget your nationality.

I agree. But also it is not necessary to proclaim it a sort of "salt of the earth", "a nation of gentlemen," the elite of the gene pool of the planet. And you, together with organisms that are worthy of you, headed by Fomenko, Klesov, and other smaller actors, like Samsonov, are exactly what you are doing.

Quote: Bar1

National strife incite politicians on the money of Western bankers.

And I agree with that. I will add only that in this case they do it with your obedient hands.

Quote: Bar1

It is necessary to carry out the correct national policy based on our own history and the main thing is not to lie like you.

The correct national policy is, in your opinion, at every corner to shout about the superiority of the Russian Aryan nation, that all human achievements are created by Russians, about the inferiority of those you call

Quote: Bar1

Small nations

, about the great mission of the Russian people, etc., I understood correctly?
And what you call “your own history” is nonsense, specially invented in the respective laboratories of our geopolitical “partners” and blown into the virginally clean brains of people like you. And if Fomenko initially did not anticipate what his deliberately unscientific concept of "new chronology" would result in, then across the ocean it was quickly realized. I'm not talking about Klesov, who, from overseas, is actually broadcasting to us.
Among other things, by planting nationalism, the USSR was able to collapse, now the approach is more subtle - through patrotism, but the result is planned to be the same. Great Russian chauvinism when confronted with parochial nationalism of the subjects of the federation will certainly give a spark, and then you and others like you will do everything for the slogan "Russia for Russians", including cutting out half, for example, conditional Izhevsk, under the pretext that there, they say, Udmurts Russian offend.
If your brain is able to think through situations at least one step ahead, try using this option with respect to your beliefs: what will happen if they are openly divided, promoted and actively implemented the appropriate behaviors of at least 30% Russians. And if you end up with universal prosperity, not civil war, then it’s not your thought to think at all.

[Bar1]

Quote: Trilobite Master

. But also it is not necessary to proclaim it a sort of "salt of the earth", "nation of gentlemen," the elite of the planet's gene pool.

the study of history leads to unambiguous results and this fact is a straightforward thing, one must tell the truth, although many do not like it.

Quote: Trilobite Master

And you together with organisms like you, headed by Fomenko, Klesov and other smaller figures, such as Samsonov, are doing just that.

Klyosov and Samsonov with Fomenko and Nosovsky were not standing nearby.

Quote: Trilobite Master

The correct national policy is, in your opinion, at every corner to shout about the superiority of the Russian Aryan nation, that all human achievements are created by Russians, about the inferiority of those you call

Shouting is not necessary, but to defend the merits and deeds of the ancestors is necessary.

Quote: Trilobite Master

And if Fomenko did not initially guess what his obviously unscientific concept of a “new chronology” would result in, then overseas they quickly realized

scientific, scientific ...

Quote: Trilobite Master

Among other things, through the imposition of nationalism, the USSR was able to collapse, now the approach is more subtle - through patrotism, but the result is planned the same

Yes, so the Bolsheviks proved the failure of their national policies. Do you know who proved the viability of their national policies? The Americans simply shot all the Indians and now the most democratic nation.

Quote: Trilobite Master

Now the approach is more subtle - through patrotism, but the result is planned the same.

patriotism is love for the motherland; how can patriotism ruin a country? This is demagoguery.

Quote: Trilobite Master

When confronted with small-town nationalism of the subjects of the federation, Great-Russian chauvinism will certainly spark, and then you and your kind will do everything for the slogan "Russia for Russians"

while there is chauvinism of the Jews who invaded the Russian authorities. And the Russian army rescues Ossetians from Georgians and Syrians from Jews, so Russian chauvinism is not yet visible.

Quote: Trilobite Master

If your brain is able to think through situations at least one step further, try to use this option of yours in relation to your beliefs: what will happen if they openly begin to share, promote and actively introduce appropriate behaviors of at least 30% of Russians. And if you end up with universal prosperity, not a civil war, then it means not thinking at all.

the rest of the nations should know the truth, where did they come from, when the same Ukrainians or Latvians, Lithuanians should tell them that their ancestors were Russians they should understand this and calmly take note, the same thing with many other peoples created by the Romanovs.

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

the first caterpillar move was invented by Blinov

Really?

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

Another thing is that the Russians were not given how to usually use the fruits of victory.
Reply Quote Complaint Bar1

What ... stupid ... these are your "Russian"!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Bar1

Another thing is that the Russians were not given how to usually use the fruits of victory.
Reply Quote Complaint Bar1

What ... stupid ... these are your "Russian"!

what kind of historian are you if you use such words?

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Bar1

Another thing is that the Russians were not given how to usually use the fruits of victory.
Reply Quote Complaint Bar1

What ... stupid ... these are your "Russian"!

what kind of historian are you if you use such words?

There, at first there was another word, but the site removed it, tactfully ... So I can, in principle, say it more firmly. With such "Russians" as you are out of the way. I'm on my way with Russians, citizens of Russia. In the world of alternative reality, I do not live!

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

With such "Russians" as you are out of the way

no, not like that, but like that, it’s with the Russians that you are not on the way, and this is becoming more and more noticeable.

[kalibr]

Why is it more noticeable? I already wrote that there are no "Russians" at all. You can't be on the way with phantoms.

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Why is it more noticeable? I already wrote that there are no "Russians" at all. You can't be on the way with phantoms.

confess Russophobia? This is not news to me.

[ruskih]

Trilobite Master,

The name "blond" in relation to hair color,

I, too, based myself on the etymology of this word. Initially, "light brown" is more likely crimson, red, he began to designate a different shade later. And yes sources, for example:
The red-faced Russes sparkled. They so sparkled, like magicians sparkled lights, ... (http://www.rulit.me/books/pyat-poem-read-32993
5-210.htmlGanjavi Nizami »Five poems» Page 210)

[Bar1]

kalibr

And Diesel helped his country by paying for its patents in Germany, including Russia. And paid a lot

paid, but not to Germany, but to the company, this is like the largest crop in Russia, but for the people bread, as it went up in price, is getting more expensive, and the Russians destroyed the Germans with a diesel

[kalibr]

Quote: Bar1

kalibr

And Diesel helped his country by paying for its patents in Germany, including Russia. And paid a lot

paid, but not to Germany, but to the company, this is like the largest crop in Russia, but for the people bread, as it went up in price, is getting more expensive, and the Russians destroyed the Germans with a diesel

Well, ignorance is so rushing. They paid the company, and the company pays the state income tax! Got it? And where does the bread? Did your mother drop you in childhood or did your father drink at a loss, that all the time brings you aside from discussing a trivial issue?

[Bar1]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Bar1

kalibr

And Diesel helped his country by paying for its patents in Germany, including Russia. And paid a lot

paid, but not to Germany, but to the company, this is like the largest crop in Russia, but for the people bread, as it went up in price, is getting more expensive, and the Russians destroyed the Germans with a diesel

Well, ignorance is so rushing. They paid the company, and the company pays the state income tax! Got it? And where does the bread? Did your mother drop you in childhood or did your father drink at a loss, that all the time brings you aside from discussing a trivial issue?

Well, what other questions to discuss with you? On the topic, you did not answer intelligently, you can only chat around and around.
By the way, following the results of the war, the USSR raped Königsberg, the Russian Korolets from Germany, and this is more than your thirty silver coins from a diesel engine, but you, as a representative of the type of official science, are not aware of this, Russophobia is blind.

[kalibr]

[quote = kalibr] and the Russians destroyed the Germans with a diesel engine [/ quote] [/ quote]
And sit on 7800 rubles!

[Curious]

In general, such a concentration of ignorance in one person, and belligerent ignorance, it seems to me, carries even some danger to society. After all, they can fight not only in the network, but also in real life, and even uniting on the basis of their ignorance.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Curious

After all, they can make war not only in the network, but also in real life, and even uniting on the basis of their ignorance.

What a graphic proof is modern Ukraine, forgive me, Viktor Nikolayevich. Of course, I am far from thinking that you are there at every corner by a fascist, but ... there are they and a lot of them.
If only we could bring ours and yours to the open field, fence them up and let them figure out who is better, who has the best gene pool and who owes what ...

[Curious]

In general, fascism and ignorance are different things, you see. Although, of course, the ignorant can serve as a bloody soil and a breeding ground for all extremism. But in a pure field it is necessary to bring out those who for their own purposes create and use all this rubbish.

[Bar1]

Quote: Curious

In general, such a concentration of ignorance in one person, and belligerent ignorance, it seems to me, carries even some danger to society. After all, they can fight not only in the network, but also in real life, and even uniting on the basis of their ignorance.

but what is the "concentration of ignorance"? You can’t even say? Your specialty is a lie from scratch.

[Curious]

Not in anything, but in whom. In Russian, with reference to animate objects, pronouns are used: who, to whom, in whom. But “in what” is an inanimate object. Therefore, you are ignorant in your native language, and the concentration of ignorance is even higher than I thought.
As for the discussion with you, I, unlike Shpakovsky, simply can not discuss with people with a faceted thought process. This, you know, is not given to everyone.

[Bar1]

Quote: Curious

Not in anything, but in whom.

inflate with arrogance, from arrogance is when the supply of arguments is used up, however you didn’t have them.

[3x3zsave]

Facet thought process - what a wonderful term !!!

[Mikado]

In general, such a concentration of ignorance in one person, moreover, belligerent ignorance, as it seems to me

Victor Nikolaevich, it really seems to you. Here come the "communists", and Timur’s thoughts seem like a prank. Everything is relative

[Curious]

Yes, there is no need to compare. Unique copy. Also extremely aggressive.

[Mikado]

We are bored without clowns! Nekhai .. Nekhai continues.