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The most expensive helmets. Part Seven. Helmets with horns

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The series of articles about the “most expensive helmets” aroused interest among VO readers. Many began to offer their options for the development of this topic. Someone asked to tell about some specific samples, which, however, is not always possible, although expensive helmets, sometimes standing a fortune, at least a dime a dozen. Today, in the continuation of the topic, we will talk about helmets with horns, since it was the “horned helmet” that became, unfortunately, an integral part of our culture, or rather, our “knowledge” about the past. Especially got the Vikings. In helmets with horns they are depicted on monuments, on picturesque canvases, in movies. And, probably, if you go outside in any Russian city and ask: “What is the main difference between Viking helmets and helmets of all other nations?”, The answer will be the same - “horns”. However, the “horned helmet” was known in the Bronze Age, moreover, both from its images and from archaeological finds.



The most famous “helmet with horns” is undoubtedly this one - the helmet of the English King Henry VIII, which has been exhibited at the Royal Arsenal in Leeds since 1994.

The most expensive helmets. Part Seven. Helmets with horns

Stela of King Naram-Sin of the XXIII century BC er Akkad. Pink limestone, bas-relief. Height 2 m, width 1,05 m. (Louvre, Paris)

To begin with, the image of a warrior in a helmet with horns can be seen on the bas-relief of Naram-Sin from the Louvre, which depicts how he defeats some lullubes. On it, the helmet is clearly decorated with horns, and a very distinctive shape. Then we know two bronze figurines relating to the XII century BC. er., which are found in Cyprus during excavations at Enkomi. They depict warriors (or at least one depicts a warrior) in helmets with horns.


“The Horned God of Enkomi” (Archaeological Museum in Nicosia).


The second (or first?) Statuette from Enkomi.


Two later bronze helmets (1100 — 900 BC), archaeologists found near the town of Veksø in Denmark in 1942. But these are clearly non-combat helmets, and they have no ritual, and even to the Vikings (and even the Celts!). (National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen)


The Celtic Bronze Helmet is the so-called “Waterloo Helmet” (150 — 50 BC), found at the bottom of the Thames in central London near the Waterloo Bridge in 1868. The helmet is made of very thin metal (bronze) and, most likely, was a ritual headdress.


Naked Celtic warrior in a horned helmet. III century BC The find is made in northern Italy. (Berlin Museum)


Horns could be found as decorations even on the helmets of the ancient Greeks.

The image of a warrior wearing a horned helmet is on a “Gundestrup Cauldron” - a silver chased vessel of Latan culture (around 100 of the year BC), found in Denmark (North Jutland) in a peat bog near the village of Gundestrup in 1891. And this is clearly Celtic work. So it is quite possible that the horned helmets were used by the Celts, but still were not a characteristic attribute of their military culture.


Here it is - the image on the boiler from Gundestrup ". Plate S. (National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen)


Also the Celtic culture belonged and the famous horse head with horns. (Royal Museum of Scotland, Edinburgh)

Helmet ornaments maedate, which had the form of flat horns of metal plates, decorated with many helmets of Japanese samurai, but they were located above the visor. However, there were helmets with huge horns of water buffalo, strengthened, as it should be on the sides. Such "horned helmets" were worn as a rule by victorious commanders.


Images of samurai in such helmets, as well as the helmets themselves, have survived, well, just a lot. This, for example, is an image of a samurai wearing a maedate horned helmet located in the Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Department.


And here is one of the Japanese horned helmets like suji-kabuto, XVIII century. Copper, gold, lacquer, silk, wood. Weight 3041.9 g. On it and the helmet decoration maedate, and the real horns on the sides! (Metropolitan Museum, New York)


Indo-Persian warriors also wore horned or spiked helmets. The helmet in front of you is an exhibit of the State Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg. (Photo by N. Mikhailov)


About him it is known that it is a helmet called Kukh Hood, mid-XIX century. Steel, copper; forging, gold notch. The horns, as you can see, are attached in such a way that it would be difficult to strike a strong side impact on them. (Photo by N. Mikhailov)


Such helmets were obviously quite a lot. Therefore, there are many of them in museums. Helmet from the Central Museum in Jaipur, India.

Well, the fact that in the mass culture of the Vikings are depicted in horned helmets, it is not surprising. This myth arose due to the efforts of the Catholic Church, since it was she who was the main provider of information about the Vikings. The priests and monks declared them "the devil's offspring", described their "devilish cunning", "devilish cruelty" - in a word, they created an extremely repulsive image of the enemies of the Christian faith. And then in 1820-ies, Swedish artist August Malmström painted horns on Viking helmets in illustrations for the poem “Frythof Saga” by the Swedish poet Esaias Tegner. The book was republished many times, and in different languages, and this myth gradually spread. In Germany, for example, the artist Karl Doppler used these very drawings when he designed costumes for Wagner’s opera The Ring of the Nibelung.


A wooden panel depicting a viking in a helmet from a church in Setesdal, Norway (12th century). (Viking Museum in Oslo)

In the XIII-XIV centuries, knightly helmets such as topfhelm, both combat and tournament ones (as can be clearly seen from the miniatures of medieval manuscripts), also sometimes had helmet-mounted ornaments.


Maximilian Helmet of Arme 1525, Germany. Weight 2517.4 (Metropolitan Museum, New York)

As for the helmet of the English king Henry VIII, it appeared in the era of “maximilian armor” (i.e., corrugated), but it looks very specific. It is believed that this strange horned helmet, along with the armor, was presented to Henry VIII by Maximilian I, the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, who invented this armor and contributed to its spread. What did he want to say or show with this gift? That Heinrich is a jester and not a king? Or something different? In any case, in terms of value it was a truly royal, or rather, imperial gift, and Henry, even if he thought something bad about him, nevertheless could not not accept it.


Helmet in the exposition of the Royal Arsenal in Leeds.


The same helmet close-up.

The helmet is of a typical arm design, although it differs from ordinary helmets of this type by the presence of a number of specific details. Well, first of all, it is gilded drum horns, roughly attached with two large and one small rivets. The “cheeks” repeat the shape of the skull, and are similarly rimmed. On both ears there is an engraved flower rosette with six punched holes. The mask is a helmet visor. It has an original design with a loop attached to the frontal part. It depicts a person with a long hooked nose, and it has a lot of holes on it, which undoubtedly served for ventilation. The engraving on the "face" depicts stubble, folds in the corners of the eyes, eyebrows and hair above the upper lip. Such careful reproduction of such details could well have been calculated for a humorous effect. And, of course, bronze glasses are striking. The left rim ring is riveted from two halves, the right one is solid. Glasses in a frame were not provided initially.

At one time it was believed that this was the armor for the royal jester Somers, but you need to imagine their cost, and then decide whether the king (even if the king!) Could order armor for the jester, or the jester himself, even if he was a noble would have such an opportunity.


As you can see, such details are reproduced on the helmet, which, in general, are completely unnecessary for a combat helmet ...

The helmet is heavy enough, its weight is 2.89 kg. It was made by the master from Innsbruck Konrad Seuzenhofer in 1512. Later, namely in the XVII century, this helmet was shown at the exhibition in the Tower, where it was reported that it was part of the "Will Somers" armor, court jester Henry VIII. For a long time no one knew at all who he really belonged to. Recently, there have been serious scientific doubts about the authenticity of this helmet. For example, were the horns of a ram and glasses really a part of it, or were they added later? But most importantly, why should such a bizarre object be a gift from one monarch to another? In any case, this helmet is truly unique, and expensive, as a historically “priceless” relic.

P.S. The author and the editorial board of the VO website express their appreciation to N. Mikhailov for his filming of the Hermitage exhibits and the photos provided to them.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 May 2018 05: 40
    +10
    The most expensive helmets. Helmets with horns
    Well. for us, the generation 60-70x, the most-the most, "Helmet with horns." THERE was THIS!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 14 May 2018 11: 14
      +3
      At one time it was believed that it was the armor for Somers royal jester

      Looking at the "weirdness" of this helmet, you can understand where such an opinion came from. And the issue of price is difficult to determine
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 14 May 2018 11: 49
      +3
      in general, if you look at the images of the knights of those years, then on helmets and in other places of the knights' vestments the devil was happening. The helmets had feathers and crowns, and images, for example, animals. Well, as well as the symbolism of the knights was more than strange. The two-headed eagle was It is represented on the vestments of knights, as we can see in full measure, and the eagle is not of the Holy Roman Empire, but is more like a Russian eagle.



      Images from the encyclopedia-dictionary of D'Alembert and Didro.
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 14 May 2018 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the most-most, "Helmet with horns." was THIS

      moreover. for poverty, horns attached to the most banal fire helmet laughing and painted gold!
  2. Horseman without a head
    Horseman without a head 14 May 2018 06: 25
    +18
    For me, a horned helmet is a Teutonic brainchild
    How is it in Alexander Nevsky)
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2018 07: 20
      +9
      Forget about this opus. The knights of St. Mary of the Teutonic lived according to the charter of the Templars, and he was strict and forbade to decorate armor and weapons. Especially wearing devil horns. The only thing they could afford was a gilded helmet, as it is a “paint” to protect against rust! And the "horns" are from the evil one!
      1. Horseman without a head
        Horseman without a head 14 May 2018 11: 48
        +18
        After explained - of course I will forget))
        But there is something devilish in horniness.
        Even if the horns are small)))
        Such

        And even if they even have a functional purpose (more precisely, in general, not horns, but fastenings for additional armor on the helmet of an attacking soldier — not so much against shrapnel, and an ordinary German helmet would protect against it, and from a bullet point-blank - during a trench battle).
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2018 12: 15
          +2
          This is yes, it is certainly so!
  3. raw174
    raw174 14 May 2018 08: 01
    +1
    Warriors, they are more likely to practice and weapons and armor of the combat personnel are as practical as possible. The horns on the helmet are certainly not practical. They increase the mass, they probably interfere with movement (cling, fight), some can even change the vector of a top-down blow hitting to the side between the horn, which is probably not nice ... Warriors most likely did not wear horned helmets, they could be ritual, they could to be demonstration (at the commander, leader).
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2018 09: 15
      +2
      Yes, the Japanese water buffalo horns were the privilege of a victorious commander ...
  4. Mikado
    Mikado 14 May 2018 10: 03
    +4
    Please note that both kulakhs, regardless of the place of production, have the same image of a mustachioed face on the forehead of a helmet. Is this the canon of production? Below the horns are nests. To plume? hi
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 14 May 2018 10: 47
      +7
      These are most likely “ceremonial" helmets. Therefore, it is worth paying attention to the curved platypus - the “arrow”. Because of the convex forehead, which looks like a cat’s face for some reason, the “arrow” is curved, therefore it cannot lower itself onto the face and performs a decorative function. This is also why, presumably, "demon helmets" were intended for ceremonies.
      Although the nests for plume are present on other helmets of “Kula-hood”.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 14 May 2018 10: 53
        +3
        These are most likely “ceremonial" helmets.

        it’s a pity that it is not written who made it, and by whose order. 19th century and inv. No - that’s all the information! request
        Because of the convex forehead, which looks like a cat face for some reason

        is it a portrait of Kotische ?! belay drinks
        "Brava, Elena, bravo!" love Thanks for the informative detailed comment! good
        1. Cat
          Cat 14 May 2018 11: 20
          +4
          Well, thank you for your kind words!
          Based on yesterday’s puncture with a crossbow, I’m a blind, horned, mustachioed Lucifer cat !? recourse
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 14 May 2018 11: 31
            +2
            Based on yesterday’s puncture with a crossbow, I’m a blind, horned, mustachioed Lucifer cat !?

            why blind? belay Dreaming about the deeds of Basilio? wink "Basilio, five is not divided into two!"(Fox Alice). No, you are furry and all stroked GlavKot forum! drinks
            1. ruskih
              ruskih 14 May 2018 15: 09
              +5
              You are furry and all stroked GlavKot forum!

              I fully support Nikolai. I will add interesting comments GlavKota really love to read! love You are always fighting GlavKot!
              1. Cat
                Cat 14 May 2018 17: 26
                +7
                Thank you for your kind words.
                He was trying to put a helmet on his cat - he said "himself du-ra-k" and went to his daughter. So the cat is from an Internet, but what a cat !!!
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 14 May 2018 17: 55
                  +2
                  Dovakin cat? Kotovakin, in the sense of? laughing went to scream all enemies! fellow
                  tried to put a helmet on his cat

                  Are your hands intact? And then thank God! drinks
                2. kalibr
                  14 May 2018 19: 53
                  +3
                  Soon, in Penza, the ROSTUM Academy of Creative Development is conducting a “knightly shift” in a camp in the forest. And what only there will not be. And we will make helmets and shoot from the bow, and learn to weave chain mail, and in the evening - a knightly movie. Even a crusade with tents is provided!
                3. hohol95
                  hohol95 14 May 2018 21: 29
                  +2
                  iz.com.ua November 6, 2015
                  In the US, a man created an armor for his cat on a 3D printer
                  The American posted on Thingiverse.com a video presentation of fantasy-style armor for a cat that can be printed on a 3D printer, CNet reports.
                  In the video, the author showed how to use the new ammunition. The first owner of the armor covering the back of the animal was a cat named Bobo, who was walking along the street in a new outfit. The publication does not say whether the cat belonged to the inventor, or if he had another owner.

                  The armor is made of black plastic, they can be printed on a 3D printer by downloading the appropriate program from the developer.

                  According to CNet, the armor is a cross between Batman’s costume and the Dog’s armor from the Game of Thrones series. “The time has come to treat your cat as a brave warrior, as he considers himself,” the publication adds.
                  Thingiverse.com publishes publicly accessible digital object models for 3D printers compiled by users. At the same time, "uploading" weapons to the model’s website is prohibited by the rules of the resource.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 34
                    +2
                    Alexei, he laughed heartily! I suggest to combine armor and a helmet from Kotishcha! But .. I won’t give my Mikado! Do not understand, sir! request drinks
        2. ruskih
          ruskih 14 May 2018 18: 56
          +3
          it’s a pity that it is not written who made it, and by whose order. 19th century and inv. No - that’s all the information!

          And information what perhaps owned by Maria Anisimova - Military History Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (St. Petersburg), senior researcher. wink
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 14 May 2018 19: 09
            +2
            And what information is possibly owned by Maria Anisimova, the Military History Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (St. Petersburg), senior researcher. wink

            Uh, no! what I think they do not exchange such data. request Well, this is an exhibit of the Hermitage. hi Although God knows him, the staff at the Artillery Museum in general are very nice and professional, but serious trips take .. time! request
            1. ruskih
              ruskih 14 May 2018 19: 33
              +4
              Explicitly owns such information. it’s her book that links to helmets
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 50
            +3
            She, isn’t Rodstennitsa to Sergei Anisimova for an hour? I will not disclose the "secrets of the investigation", but the local saying goes: "Peter is a small city."
            1. ruskih
              ruskih 14 May 2018 19: 55
              +2
              This is unknown to me))) request love
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 May 2018 20: 37
                +4
                I’ll tell you more: Peter is a big village! wink I even managed somehow in fifteen years to meet that holy warrant officer who had completely changed my karma! I will tell in more detail somehow wink
                Explicitly owns such information. it’s her book that links to helmets

                hmm .. and there are not so many oriental tsatseks in the Art Museum ... what quite possibly you are right! good Well, and who is the "curious" Curious here? wink love
                1. ruskih
                  ruskih 14 May 2018 20: 45
                  +3
                  Well, and who is the "curious" Curious here?

                  repeat With whom you will lead, from that you will gain)))) love
                2. hohol95
                  hohol95 14 May 2018 21: 32
                  +2

                  I hope he changed karma and other chakras according to the charter soldier
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 35
                    +1
                    see everything .. promise .. wink
  5. Curious
    Curious 14 May 2018 10: 11
    +4
    One interesting point from the point of view of cultural anthropology.

    On the left in the photo is a reconstruction of the famous helmet from Kassaselvatik, which was found in the burial place of a Celtic or Ligurian warrior in the vicinity of Parma. It dates from the first half of the III century. BC e.
    On the right is a mounted samurai. Considering that this armor was presented at the exhibition "Samurai. 47 Ronin", we assume that this is the XV - XVII century of our era. Between helmets there is a gap of at least 10 years and a distance of 000 kilometers. However, in both cases, the function of the horns on the helmet seems to be the same - an indication of the status of the owner.
    Another interesting point. The well-known folk historian Nosovsky considers the horns on the presented samurai helmet to be the "Ottoman-Ataman crescent" and evidence of the conquest of Japan by Russia-Horde and Ottoman Atamania in the era of the XIV-XV centuries.
    As they say, a genius sees the same thing that everyone sees, but at the same time thinks differently, so he makes a discovery.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 14 May 2018 10: 19
      +5
      As they say, a genius sees the same thing that everyone sees, but at the same time thinks differently, so he makes a discovery.

      a small addition - if it's a genius, not a schizophrenic. Or not a scammer (I will not give a rezun as an example). hi
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 May 2018 10: 20
        +4
        Oh, Venia is gone, sorry. He would supplement and expand.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 14 May 2018 10: 33
          +4
          Everything is relative. request I recently suddenly realized that Rev. Venya is the smartest, most educated, most educated interlocutor! hi
          1. Curious
            Curious 14 May 2018 10: 38
            +4
            Du sublime au ridicule il n'y a qu'un pas. From the sublime to the ridiculous, only one step. They say that this is Napoleon’s favorite phrase on the way from Moscow back home.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 14 May 2018 10: 46
              +3
              he said it at the border when he crossed in the opposite direction. And then he began to demand: "Men and horses!" angry
    2. kalibr
      14 May 2018 12: 20
      +4
      But why see what ... is not necessary? Why see a crescent moon in horns when Japan is full of helmets with just a crescent moon and the emblem “half moon”. And these signs are called the "crescent" and "half the moon." But nobody there connects them with Islam-atamanism ...
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 May 2018 12: 39
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich! How would you react to a person who confuses Ares and Eros, but with a smart look, talks about the history of Ancient Greece.
        Meanwhile, Messrs. Fomenko and Nosovsky, confidently talking about the colonization of Japan by Rus-Horde and Osmania-Atamaniyah, the Japanese god of luck and happiness, Bishamon-ten, is confidently called the god of war, completely, obviously not suspecting the presence of Hatiman. Geniuses ...
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2018 17: 59
          +3
          Well, obviously, they know that the Japanese had a spearhead of the original form - “bismamon-yari”, then sleeves on the “bismamon-goth” armor, there is an arrowhead ... and if so, then he is the god of war! That this is a god of luck, after so many "bismamons" in weapons and armor, they might not have known!
  6. tank66
    tank66 14 May 2018 10: 49
    +3
    I do not want to play with words in a Zadornish manner (although in his opuses, there are a lot of grains of truth), but for myself, I move in the presence of horns on a helmet a kind of forerunner of crowns based on:
    - in many cultures there is a very important symbol of the TOUR, for example, in the Avesta, I won’t specify in which book, the main characters fall from the cold weather from Aryanam-Waji / the Aryan homeland / on the banks of the Vahvi-Daityi / I identify as Daitya-Daik- Yaik-Ural / on the back of the bull -tur in the noon direction, to Khvarazm / Khorezm must be assumed /.
    - in Sanskrit turá - 1) zealous, 2) fast, 3) strong, strong, 4) rich; well, and bahú— 1) many, 2) sufficient; all together for the hero (bogur) bahú turá (bahu-tura) - it is a multi-strong, teeming with strength, strength, speed, which is quite suitable for the definition of a hero or person, possessing physical strength and dexterity.
    “Well, from a good warrior to a king, there was one step.”
    - and several quotes: “A closely related deity of Yaril was in Russia (and undoubtedly also among the southern and western Slavs) TUR, whose name in the original sense meant a bull, a representative of the sun god and due to this last fertility.
    - "On the southern shore of Funen Island, the figure of the god Tura, who is the Saxon Thor, is established." In addition to A.S. Famintsin about the spread of the cult of the god of Tours needs to be said about the city of Tours in France and the city of Turin in Italy, where residents still celebrate the festival of Tours, calling it the CATTLE god. In addition, the echoes are preserved in the names of Tour and Tour, common in Scandinavia.
    In antiquity, like the Slavic princes, the kings took the name of Tour: Etruscan Tarhon, Scythian Targitai.
    An interesting legend is the Turkish traveler Evelea Celebi who visited the Urals in the XNUMXth century A.D. According to this legend, the Turks came from the progenitor of Tur, the son of Feridun, the Shah (who can be identified either with Dazhdbog or Arius). He calls the sons of the Tour Radim, the relative of the Radimichi (the Slavs, whose pendants had images of a tour (bull) surrounded by seven figures of a triangular shape with a spherical top) and Pesheneg, the ancestor of the Pechenegs (Turks). This legend probably dates back to the time when the Slavs and Turks had not yet stood out from the common family and spoke the same language. But here the ancestor is important - Tour.
    “The God of heaven is the oldest god of mankind: among the Chuvash - Tur, among the Scandinavians - Thor, among the Celts - Taranis, among the Slavs - Tarh Tarhovich, among the Hittites - Tarh, the Armenians - Tark, among the Scythians - Targitay, among the Estonians - Taar, among the Finns - Toora, among the Karelians - Tuuri, among the Ob Ugrians - Numi-Torum, among the Sumerians - Dingir An, among the ancient Turks - Tengri, among the Mongols - Tanger, among the Kazakhs - Tanir, etc. The gods of heaven were also preserved among local peoples: Abkhazians - Antsva and Adygs - Tha
    ***
    The ancient Egyptians emphasized the great influence of the star Sirius from the constellation Canis Major on the fate of Egypt. They believed that the gods Sirius, Isis, Horus, Nephthys and Seth came from this star. They considered the sun of Ra the physical sun of the earth, and Sirius the spiritual sun. The spiritual “sun” of the peoples of Eurasia was the God of heaven. In Slavic, this can be expressed as the spirit of Ra. Variants of this letter combination can be: tour, torus, tyr, taara, toora, fool, hole, tarh, tarhu, tarku, targitai. “Hole” - Tengrians of medieval Russia. They did not have icons and idols, they made a hole in the eastern side of the hut (the direction of the "bright" sun) and prayed to the spirit of Ra, turning to face her.
    A. Karelin in his book “The Secret Meaning of the Syllables of the Russian Language” considers that there were only three ancient vowels: a, e, and nasal y. The latter can be expressed as unh. Then in ancient times, the sky god could sound dunhra, and its variants in different languages ​​- tarhu, ding ri, deng ri, dingir, tengri, tanger, tanri, fool, hole, tour, toor, tha, etc. The generalized name of the god of heaven is Tour. ”
    So the horns on the helmet are a Very Important Cockade
    1. Curious
      Curious 14 May 2018 11: 33
      +2
      Did I say that Veni is not? eat and see "in the presence of horns on a helmet a kind of forerunner of crowns ..."
      Only the forerunner as it appeared later for about 700 years. Do not find it strange.
      Images of horned helmets before Akkad (XXIII century. BC) no one saw.
      And the first image of millet, the crown of the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, is contained in the inscription of the pharaoh Jet. (XXIX century BC). Here you have a play on words.
      1. tank66
        tank66 14 May 2018 12: 45
        +1
        I will not argue. In the Egyptology of the flow of everything / and the fake /, that no one will prove anything to anyone. And I’m not going to get into your “territory”. But, so, out of harm, I note the following:
        -Looking at the first website that came across - millet is an integral piece of “hats”
        the red "deshrites" of the rulers of Lower Egypt and the white "hedge" of the rulers of Upper Egypt.
        Duc Hedge
        in my biased opinion, it could have been made (as well as, by the way, Scythian hats) made of leather removed from the thigh of a large herbivorous “god-worshiping” bull-round-moose stocking, etc.
        And the queens / or goddesses, but on the stones of the depicted / Egyptian hairstyles a lot of horns come across
        1. Curious
          Curious 14 May 2018 12: 58
          +3
          If you hadn’t "looked at the first sites that came across," but tried to have some kind of system knowledge that is not obtained on such a dunghill as the Internet, then you would know that millet, desgreta and a hedge are different crowns.
          Deshret is the red crown worn by the pharaohs of Lower Egypt.
          Hedget - a white crown worn by the pharaohs of Upper Egypt.
          After the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, there was a union of the crowns of both lands into a single millet crown.
          There is one interesting trend. The more scanty an individual has in a certain field of knowledge, the more global theories in this area he puts forward. Such a peculiar inversely proportional pattern.
          1. tank66
            tank66 14 May 2018 13: 12
            +3
            Well, damn it, I didn’t put forward anything, though, you know better. Can’t you even talk? Then I wash off, get confused under my feet. I climb onto my sixth, imperceptibly adjusting the scanty crown on the troll’s head.
            1. Curious
              Curious 14 May 2018 13: 16
              +6
              Yes, do not rinse off anywhere. If you are really looking for knowledge in the field of history and communication in the same field, then under the articles of Shpakovsky this is one of the few places on the site. The main thing - does not become in a pose of warlike ignorance and an advocate of the ideas of folkhistory.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 May 2018 14: 51
                +4
                If you are really looking for knowledge in the field of history and communication in the same field, then under the articles of Shpakovsky this is one of the few places on the site. The main thing - does not become in a pose of warlike ignorance and an advocate of the ideas of folkhistory.

                golden words, Viktor Nikolaevich! I will fully join! hi drinks
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 20
                +5
                Viktor Nikolaevich, I feel that they will soon begin to ban us in just one appearance on the site. "The orthodox came. Red danger level. Tick the lads !!!!"
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 14 May 2018 20: 29
              +4
              No, seriously, VikNick is a wonderful person and an excellent conversationalist. It's me, bastard, I can conceive ..... spread rot anyone out of the blue. But I'm not in a dialogue .... Therefore, do not be offended, but join and participate. By the way, my acquaintance with Curious, oh (damn it, Viktor Nikolayevich, this Latin fucked me up) also began with the conflict ....
              1. Curious
                Curious 14 May 2018 21: 18
                +2
                I'm generally a conflict-free person. Pacifist.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 14 May 2018 22: 08
                  +2
                  I won’t speak for monkeys, not my topic. I don’t even remember the Scotsman. It's just ... some owners of the shepherd dogs sometimes want to see how their pet "labric" drives ...
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 14 May 2018 22: 29
                    +2
                    Yes, Labrador, that fierce dog. Recently I got into a difficult situation. Baseball Saint. Scale 2: 1 in size, in weight. And here’s the dilemma - to preserve the image and not get the trends, i.e. Need to hang out, but very carefully. But coped, experience nevertheless.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 14 May 2018 22: 51
                      +3
                      But coped, experience nevertheless.

                      EXPERIENCE with you - to learn, dear person. soldier
                      But I’m monkeys - I’ll remember ..... wink So, Irina Alferova and Nikolai Eremenko? wink In the new Soviet action movie "Bandits of the XNUMXth centurya "(in the United States was at the box office called"Ass on fire", received a Grammy for best music from David Tukhmanov, two Golden Globes - the best soundtrack, best story, and Oscar - the best lead actor). good drinks
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 14 May 2018 23: 09
                        +2
                        Labrador coped. I did not participate.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 14 May 2018 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: tank66
      “The God of heaven is the oldest god of mankind: among the Chuvash - Tur, among the Scandinavians - Thor, among the Celts - Taranis, among the Slavs - Tarh Tarhovich, among the Hittites - Tarh, the Armenians - Tark, among the Scythians - Targitay, among the Estonians - Taar, among the Finns - Toora, among the Karelians - Tuuri, among the Ob Ugrians - Numi-Torum, among the Sumerians - Dingir An, among the ancient Turks - Tengri, among the Mongols - Tanger, among the Kazakhs - Tanir, etc. The gods of heaven were also preserved among local peoples: Abkhazians - Antsva and Adygs - Tha

      Avotfig! Taranis, Tarhu, Tarku, Thor - these are the gods of the Thunderstorm, and not of Heaven at all! In history, there are frequent cases when the god "changed functions" - Mars from the god of Fertility became the god of War, and Yarri = Arey = Yarilo - on the contrary, from the god of War became the god of Fertility; Telepinu from the same god of Fertility turned into the god-Blacksmith (Tlepsh); All-Aryan Dyaus = Dzeus = Deus Pater (Jupiter) = Diy - from the god of Clear Sky became the god of the Storm (although among the Germans he became the god of War - Tiu = Tsiu = Tür).

      Essentially, this was a thoroughly political question:
      “- Rejoice, Erif,” I finally repeated. “Explain to me, who lived for many years in a foreign land, who is the Great Diy - the Father of the gods or just the Lord of Clear Sky?”
      It seems to hit the nail on the head. The grin disappeared, his eyes darkened. Now in front of me was not a silly jester, but the Servant of God.
      “You are not only courageous, but also wise, the godless Cleoter.” Honor Diy, the Supreme Lord and Father of the Gods, and may your reign be happy, and life long ... (...)
      - Is that advice? I asked. - And what will be the next?
      - Advice? - he was genuinely surprised. “I don't think you need advice, vanact.” You already understand our affairs. I already see our Mycenae reigning over all the lands, and Diya - the king over the gods. "(A. Valentinov," Gray Kite ")
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 May 2018 13: 02
        +3
        That is, having presented us with an extensive quote from the work of science fiction writer Valentinov, do you hint that Tank, which is two sixes, is a poor dreamer?
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 14 May 2018 15: 56
          +1
          Firstly, Valentinov is a pro archaeologist, and it is in this matter of fiction that he has no. The quote confirms only my statement on the gradual "change of profession" among some gods. Secondly - the dreamer is the one who Tank66 dug up all this. The common Aryan root tur / taur is really very ancient. but to the god of heaven - no sideways!
          1. Curious
            Curious 14 May 2018 16: 06
            +4
            An archaeologist is Shmalko. And Valentinov is a fantasy.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 14 May 2018 17: 31
              +2
              Yeah ... The historian is Mozheiko. Bulychev is a fantasy.
              And who is Efremov - a paleontologist or a science fiction? laughing
              1. Curious
                Curious 14 May 2018 18: 11
                +4
                If we know science fiction and fantasy under the literary pseudonym Valentinov, then as an archaeologist he did not write much, except perhaps a Ph.D. And to Efremov he is far from in archeology, and indeed in general terms.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 15 May 2018 10: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Curious
                  And to Efremov he is far from in archeology, and indeed in general terms.

                  To Efremov hi far away. Perhaps from a practical point of view. Efremov’s main merit was not the creation of taphonomy, but the discovery of a mercury deposit (“Mountain Spirits Lake”) and the forecast for the presence of diamonds in Siberia (“Diamond Pipe”). But in my post, it’s not about the scientific achievements of Valentinov-Shmalko, but about the fact that he’s completely on the topic in this matter! By the way, he is first-class science fiction!
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 15 May 2018 21: 14
                    0
                    The forecast of the presence of diamonds in Siberia in the forties of the XNUMXth century was given by geologist R.K. Maak.
                    At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, a number of geological scientists already worked on this issue, such as V. I. Vernadsky, V. S. Sobolev, and others. They pointed out that there is a similarity between the geological structure of the South African and Siberian platforms, so the likelihood of in Siberia primary diamond deposits.
                    After a break associated with the revolution and the Civil War, in 1937, expeditions resumed. Efremov, in addition to participating in geological expeditions, graduated from the Mining Institute, i.e. I knew perfectly well about all of the above.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 May 2018 21: 28
                +2
                Quote: Weyland
                And who is Efremov - a paleontologist or a science fiction?

                Shpien aglitsky. repeat
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 14 May 2018 23: 25
                  +4
                  no - japanese! wink drinks
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 May 2018 23: 44
                    +3
                    The fact of a search of Efremov’s apartment by KGB officers after his death remains a fact. tongue drinks Moreover, his photo was seized already in the 20s.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 15 May 2018 00: 06
                      +2
                      oh, her ... belay Well, oh well, let’s leave the so-called accusations "communists" drinks they will quickly prove that Ivan the Terrible was the first bearded communist! laughing
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 15 May 2018 00: 14
                        +4
                        Don Quixote is Ivan the Terrible; SANCHO PANSA - THIS IS HIS REMEDY SIMEON Bekbulatovich;
                        DULSINEY TOBOSSKY IS SOFIA PALEOLOGIST, WIFE OF GROZNY;
                        ASTURIAN MARITORNES IS ELENA VOLOSHANKA, IT IS THE SAME BIBLICAL ETHER;
                        BACHELOR SAMSON CARRASCO IS PRINCE ANDREI KURBISH.
                        G.V. Nosovsky, A.T. Fomenko
                        Don Quixote or Ivan the Terrible
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 May 2018 00: 19
                        +1
                        I just stumbled upon an interesting piece about Efremov. Allegedly a story from the words of a former KGB officer. The author warns that he invented everything, but he (the author) is a lawyer. laughing Well, seriously, reading Efremov, I could not get rid of the feeling that some foreigner was writing.
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 6 June 2018 11: 25
      0
      Very interesting presentation. I didn’t understand one thing: after all, the image of the Tour is connected with the Sun (Yarilo, Ra) or with Heaven (Svarog, Diy and their analogues in other Cultures). You must admit that the cult of the Sun is not quite the cult of Heaven (this one is "wider" in understanding), and sometimes it is not at all a cult of Heaven (for example, in the case of the Dyy and Dyyevichs of Slavic mythology), more Heaven was also understood differently.
  7. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 14 May 2018 12: 33
    +4
    Interesting article.
    I would like to ask the author why there are no helmets with “deer” horns among the helmets mentioned. There are conditionally "bull", "mutton", "goat", and there are no deer. I hope this regrettable circumstance should not be understood as the author’s personal dislike for deer — beautiful and noble animals. smile
    In general, I understand that initially in prehistoric times, when our ancestors worshiped certain animals, giving each of them a special quality, which could be strength, speed, endurance, cunning, vigilance, etc., they are in difficult moments of life, called upon the spirits of these animals for help, for which the shamans used hats decorated with the details of the skeletons of these animals, among other things. Two tribes fight this way, and their shamans dressed in different hides, horns, etc. inspire those who fight behind their backs with ritual dances.
    It is unlikely that ordinary soldiers, even with such an opportunity, went into battle in helmets decorated in this way. I think it was a prerogative (prerogativ smile ) exclusively leaders, shamans and other management personnel, who by their external waters were supposed to be different from the rest, being in battle a kind of banner for the combatants. Helmets of just such characters, as well as their images, were given to us as visual aids in the study of history. So, in my opinion, it was in the prehistoric period, and in antiquity, and in the Middle Ages. The only possible exception is the elite units of personal protection of a ruler, who could be dressed in specially designed sets of uniforms with appropriate decorations for participation in the ceremony, but this is not the case.
    I'm not going to prove the truth of my theory with foaming at the mouth and if any kind person will show me a group image of warriors in horned helmets on the battlefield (of course, properly dated smile ), I will gratefully reconsider my point of view on this question.
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 14 May 2018 14: 42
      +5
      Deer horns immediately resemble wink about the Byzantine emperor Andronicus I Comnenus (1118-1185). He was a fan of giving hunting grounds and nailing deer horns to the gates. Such compensation repeat nobles for seducing their wives))) But I don’t know if it’s true or legend. winked
      It is unlikely that ordinary soldiers, even if this was possible, went into battle in helmets decorated in this way.

      Somewhere I came across a description of a re-enactor who received a blow to a helmet with such an ornament. He wrote that his eyes immediately darkened, complete disorientation and it seemed that his neck would be damaged. So it was not a real fight)))
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 10
      +5
      Bravo, Michael!
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 May 2018 19: 31
        +5
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Bravo, Michael!

        Yes, what is there ... Thank you, of course, but today we must hard praise Nicholas of our Mikado, both for the usual activity in the discussions, and for the help to the author of the article.
        P.S. The author and the editorial board of the VO website express their appreciation to N. Mikhailov for his filming of the Hermitage exhibits and the photos provided to them.

        We know and love our heroes!
        hi drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 14 May 2018 20: 44
          +4
          Didn’t I bow to Mikado? To blame! ! I will be corrected!
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 16
          +4
          Thank you, of course, but today you need to praise Nikolai our Mikado hard, both for the usual activity in the discussions and for helping the author of the article.

          only worse is the phrase: "And you, Stirlitz, I’ll ask you to stay ..." belay Revealed! The first.. drinks

          no applause .. stop laughing Glad I can benefit VO. drinks Guys (and the beautiful Lady), well, really, it was nice to shoot it myself. I bow! hi
          Are you and Anton recording a samurai? wink drinks my friends, communication is expensive. And the rest .. created so that there was a reason for communication! drinks By the way, the most interesting exhibits are not in the Hermitage, my personal opinion is. In the Hermitage, for the most part, ceremonial tsatskis. And the real story is in the little forgotten local history museums! soldier
  8. Weyland
    Weyland 14 May 2018 13: 09
    +2
    Burton in the “Book of Swords” has an image of Ramses II as a personal guard (Fig. 164 - unfortunately, it is not possible to insert a picture) in a rather flat horned helmet and with a long sword, the shape of a blade very much like the “Dovmont sword” (type XV Oakeshott)
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 14 May 2018 13: 51
      +4
      Here is this picture?
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 May 2018 14: 09
        +4
        Elena, you are ahead of me. I have a brandy glass in my left hand.
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 14 May 2018 14: 35
          +3
          laughing I felt, Viktor Nikolaevich, that you will now find a picture ... Oh brandy let me down!))) wink love Only the pictures are for some reason absurdly large inserted, although it reduced the size.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 14 May 2018 14: 54
            +3
            Elena, you are ahead of me. I have a brandy glass in my left hand.

            it was harder for me five minutes ago! wink the customer comes in, and I have a bitten banana in my hands and asks to sign and stamp the documents. So I suffered! fellow You can’t release a banana - it is expensive, tasty and bitten, you had to operate with one hand! request drinks
            1. Cat
              Cat 14 May 2018 18: 20
              +3
              Quote: Mikado
              Elena, you are ahead of me. I have a brandy glass in my left hand.

              it was harder for me five minutes ago! wink the customer comes in, and I have a bitten banana in my hands and asks to sign and stamp the documents. So I suffered! fellow You can’t release a banana - it is expensive, tasty and bitten, you had to operate with one hand! request drinks

              Nikolay, I’m coming to you with a business proposal, God forbid if the situation repeats itself and you have it in your hand uncooked fat sham or a circle of smoked sausages? Know we are always ready to help. I’ll throw off the mailing address in PM !!! wassat
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 39
                +4
                You will be behind me, because you were not standing here, but I have a Petersburg registration.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 14 May 2018 20: 50
                  +2
                  You will be behind me, because you were not standing here, but I have a Petersburg registration.

                  Ay-yai-yay, it seems, I already heard these words somewhere .. wink well, Anton, we won’t have such a meal of greasy stuff! Well, we do not dream of universal Lumpen-Negro happiness, but just doing good deeds request drinks
                  uncooked shmat bacon or a smoked sausage circle?

                  We'll find! yes (by the way, the most delicious lard is produced by Elena and Viktor Nikolaevich wink good )
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 14 May 2018 21: 55
                    +3
                    The tastiest fat is made by my brother.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 14 May 2018 22: 17
                      +2
                      I have not tried wink drinks
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 14 May 2018 22: 34
                        +3
                        You have everything ahead!
              2. kalibr
                14 May 2018 19: 46
                +4
                Always keep in the office a bowl with boiled beans (splash soy sauce) and red, always red, Japanese sticks. As the door knocks ... a bowl to himself and with chopsticks to fetch the beans one at a time and chew, squinting his eyes. The client will be stunned ... And you also sticks in it - tyk-tyk - they say, sit down, I ask you, now I will finish this enjoyment of sour beans. Everyone will just say that about you and your red sticks. You can add wasabi ... "Where I was now, what I saw, and their boss is eating sour beans, aesthetics of figs with sticks!" You cannot find the best advertising! And cheap!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 14 May 2018 20: 36
                  +3
                  It will work too!
                2. Mikado
                  Mikado 14 May 2018 20: 53
                  +2
                  "Where I was now, what I saw, and their boss eats sour beans, aesthetics of figs with sticks!" You cannot find the best advertising! And cheap!

                  class .. belay wait, let me realize, and come to my senses .. I saw a lot of polished scoundrels in suits, and the smartest people in T-shirts and sneakers, but .. On the edge! good It will be worse than dressing up in a vest and a cap! good Vyacheslav Olegovich, provoke! wink You know, the entertainer died in me! fellow
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 56
                    +2
                    You know, the entertainer died in me!

                    Yes, by the way .. The stripper in me - also died! It's time to let Edward out! fellow here again some crowing they’ll come over and that’s it, educated and intelligent Nikolai Mikhailov will no longer communicate with them. hi instead of him comes Edward .. Edward MiHaidov.. And he will not spare them! angry the main words are on 5.03. drinks

                    From now on .. I will live forever! wink
                  2. kalibr
                    15 May 2018 06: 33
                    +1
                    In this case, get yourself a box of Japanese varnish on your table, and hold the Crown of Crownas cigars and a lighter in the form of a Smith and Wesson revolver in it. And the bite of the ends ... When a visitor comes to you, you plant it and, opening the box (first open), offer cigars. But keep quiet about the bite. He takes ... (or does not take). And if he doesn’t take a bite and doesn’t bite the tip, but sticks it in his mouth, you tell him about it ... And ... a person loses his face in front of you! After that, it’s a lot easier to deal with! Proven in practice!
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 15 May 2018 08: 19
                      +2
                      Extremely bad advice.
                      The first one. Cigars are stored only in a special humidor, the inner layer of which is Spanish cedar or rosewood. It is very expensive, and having bought an ordinary factory thing ($ 150), you immediately find yourself in a losing position. Therefore, if a visitor understands at least a little bit about cigars - you are already in a puddle with your box of Japanese varnish.
                      The second one. On the Russian market, one real cigar accounts for about 10 fake ones. Therefore, in order not to treat the guest with a fake cigar and not be overwhelmed, you will have to work hard and spend a lot of money decaying at Alfred Dunhill or Davidoff in London or La Civiette in Paris More or less interesting cigars for show-offs start at least $ 50 apiece. And if you exhibit the popular Cohiba Siglio 3 for $ 300 per box - any cigar smoker will understand - you are not a connoisseur.
                      In short - do not get confused, if you do not know how.
                      1. kalibr
                        15 May 2018 14: 25
                        +1
                        This is all true for the level of large companies. Our mutual friend has a slightly smaller one. And the contingent is appropriate. So what’s going to do! Proven by many years of practice. Although, yes, Penza is not Moscow!
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 32
              +4
              Nefig bananas in the office to eat! There are either lobsters or a doshirak. "They are terribly far from brand promotion!"
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 06
                +3
                yes damn it, I'm already far from a doshirak (at work! At home - at least every day! good ), but I will never allow lobsters. Ponty is nothing. Judged by intelligence and activity. drinks I think of one girl (much younger than me!) about creativity is more expensive than all the slogans and any image of others! People should be appreciated, not aplomb, a suit, and "vigor of conversation." Such "energetic and effective" (the same generation of managers was born!) I dunk in a turd with pleasure. am I repeat once again - the cleverest miserable, an experienced professional officer, journalist, encyclopedia man, trilobite lover, ironic builder and, of course, a beautiful and wise Lady - they bribe more than all the slogans and image (I have not listed all! ) People need to be appreciated; mind, activity, goodwill! love drinks
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 14 May 2018 21: 53
                  +5
                  I'm still crazy creative!
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 14 May 2018 22: 08
                    +3
                    I forgot to mention it! But, you understand, if everyone is defined according to his talents, there aren’t enough words. request Here Alexey-hohol95 came - and in fact so seek information on the site can only two people! good He and .. another person (I won’t give glory, everyone knows him anyway; they both know!). This is expensive, the company is expensive, friends! Thank you everybody! love drinks
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 14 May 2018 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: ruskih
        Here is this picture?


        yeah, she, thanks for putting in!
      3. hohol95
        hohol95 14 May 2018 21: 38
        +2

        Item: 1.1-008
        Name: Egyptian warrior in a helmet with horns (Guard Ramses II)
        Size: 54mm
        Price: 4956.00 rubles.
    2. Curious
      Curious 14 May 2018 14: 08
      +2

      Yes, there is one.
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 May 2018 17: 50
        +4
        By the way, according to this figure, there are doubts that the horns belong precisely to the headdress. The Egyptians had horns with a very extensive symbolic load.
        Horns with a long ribbon falling from them mean the god of the storm. Being sharp and piercing, the horns are a phallic and courageous symbol; being hollow, they mean femininity and receptivity. The strength of the horns can be beneficial or harmful, depending on the circumstances.
        The Egyptians have cow horns - a symbol of the goddess Hathor as the Great Mother; they are also depicted as a month with Isis and Nut, the mistress of heaven. Amon's horns curl like lamb. Seth (Sutek) has a long ribbon on its horns, falling from them - the sign of the god of the storm.
        So it is possible that the artist decorated the image with a symbol of courage, and on the head of the character an ordinary hat.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 14 May 2018 18: 13
          +3
          So it is possible that the artist decorated the image with a symbol of courage, and on the head of the character an ordinary hat.

          I thought he covered a symbol of courage with a sheet below almost to the sandals! laughing drinks damn it, and what a lascivious expression! wink
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 14 May 2018 18: 42
            +5
            "... and Captain Mikhailov is painfully eager for obscene jokes that appear in the middle of the hay girls, introducing them into embarrassment and great art ..." (from denunciations)
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 14 May 2018 18: 49
              +2
              "... and Captain Mikhailov is painfully eager for obscene jokes that appear in the middle of the hay girls, introducing them into embarrassment and great art ..." (from denunciations)

              and then the lieutenant came, and wrap everything up .. fellow drinks
              So who will tell me that this is indecency? No, this is not indecency, this is a frame from the movie "Demidovs", the best role of Vadim Spiridonov with wonderful long monologues! good by the way, poems by the famous Soviet poet Fyodor Bokov (perhaps even communist) hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 14 May 2018 19: 02
                +4
                "No, there is this indecency, but only the craving for nature, which is not condemned by the Lord. But there is no one thing to the gas" caloric "!!!" (M.V. Lomonosov, from an unpublished one)
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 14 May 2018 18: 51
          +5
          Everything is cool! One thing I can’t understand, where does Dovmont’s sword mentioned by the opponent ???
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 15 May 2018 10: 39
            +1
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            where does the Dovmont sword mentioned by the opponent ???

            just for reference - what kind of picture are we talking about. By the way, the theme is tasty for the Fomenkovites - since the sword was in a shardan of the end of the XNUMXth century in OT R.Kh., then Ramses lived in the XNUMXth century, and insidious falsifiers stupidly entered the dates of the reign of DO R.Kh. instead of OT R.Kh. laughing
      2. kalibr
        14 May 2018 18: 26
        +4
        Sherdan, Shardan, Sherden - a mercenary from the "peoples of the sea."
  9. kalibr
    14 May 2018 18: 23
    +3
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    I would like to ask the author why among the helmets shown there are no helmets with "deer" horns.

    There are helmets with antlers. The Japanese. This helmet was worn by the famous associate of Ieyasu Tokugawa. There is a drawing where he stands next to Ieyasu at the Battle of Sekigahara ... I wish I could remember who (ha ha!) ... Such impressive horns. Smaller deer horns were worn by Takeda warriors.
    1. Cat
      Cat 14 May 2018 18: 28
      +4
      According to Bashkir historians, the Ostyaks managed to attach elk horns to Malachai, but this is no longer for battle, but a pure ritual (shamanism)!
      1. kalibr
        14 May 2018 19: 40
        +3
        They were trying to portray the antennas in memory of paleocontacts with alien aliens!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 14 May 2018 20: 11
          +5
          Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, it feels like you have old scores with Bashkir ufologists!
          1. Cat
            Cat 14 May 2018 20: 49
            +4
            No, apparently Vyacheslav Olegovich wants to mislead us with urbanism, and the next article will be about "expensive helmets with wings"!
            Yours faithfully! Your Cat!
            By the way, the beginning of the article about the Vikings does not even need to be rewritten.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 14 May 2018 21: 47
              +3
              You simply do not know (I am also not very), he has long-standing scores with ufologists.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 May 2018 22: 27
                +4
                You simply do not know (I am also not very), he has long-standing scores with ufologists.

                I have been saying for a year that he rolls them on the asphalt with his gang of associate professors, where there are a couple of professors, and even one corresponding member! lol And nobody believes me .. recourse Here, ufologists and other buffooners are missing, thank you! fool But in Penza, the asphalt is good! good What is more important for the country in terms of unscientific communism? wink That's right, good asphalt! good So V.O. Shpakovsky is a wonderful provincial leader in establishing universal happiness, for which I bow to him! drinks It used to come to a visiting ufologist and ask in a sweet voice ..
                "Your ufology-reverend .. The name of the horse?"
                (half-strangled ufologist with a squeaky voice will answer - "Hyundai Solaris!")
                "Its the last price? .." hi
                And hereinafter - as in pirate novels! request
            2. kalibr
              15 May 2018 06: 36
              +1
              Helmets with wings are in terms of work ... but so far there is little material.
      2. ruskih
        ruskih 14 May 2018 20: 55
        +4
        We have enough wits everywhere! And horned helmets do not give rest, "excite the minds"))).
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 14 May 2018 21: 23
          +2
          We have enough wits everywhere! And horned helmets do not give rest, "excite the minds"))).

          Aaaaaaaaaa! belay This is a reptiloid! Aaaaaaaaaa! belay They exist! Ahhhhh! belay belay
          and .. mmm .. is it just a tattered bald cat? what Well, you can’t do that, in fact! hi I almost managed it! Already about, and almost .. request
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 14 May 2018 21: 45
          +5
          Exupery was right: "We are responsible for those whom we did not drown in time," I saw this on the wing over the Sahara and crashed into the trash. Gremlins exist!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 15 May 2018 01: 00
            +1
            Gremlins exist!

            mmm .. at one time there was a wonderful American military cartoon about gremlins from the Kremlin. No matter what, but in the information war, the Allies positioned us as friends!
        3. hohol95
          hohol95 14 May 2018 21: 47
          +3

          Cool you have deer ...
  10. hohol95
    hohol95 14 May 2018 21: 45
    +2

    “An Ancient Tradition: When the Sun Was a God” (Polish: Stara baśń: Kiedy słońce było bogiem) is a 2003 Polish film directed by Jerzy Hoffmann. The film is based on the novel "An Old Tradition" by Jozef Kraszewski. The last work of the operator Pavel Lebeshev.
    In the photo is the leader of the Vikings.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 14 May 2018 22: 01
      +3
      mmm. that helmet .. wink good
  11. Mikado
    Mikado 15 May 2018 00: 21
    +3
    Curious,
    IT'S SOFIA PALEOLOGIST

    why not Maria Temryukovna? I watched the movie "Tsar" yesterday, so ... sooooo even! good love the harsh Circassian woman bribes! wink
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 15 May 2018 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: Mikado
      why not Maria Temryukovna?

      Marfa Vasilievna me! (with) laughing
  12. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 15 May 2018 06: 35
    +3
    Curious,
    "They said that I was luring the dog. I was not licking, this dog should not be licking"
    "Three in a boat apart from a dog" (J.K. Jerome)
  13. Curious
    Curious 15 May 2018 14: 30
    +1
    kalibr,
    I am sure that there are people in Penza who understand a lot about smoking cigars and pipes. Therefore, there are more reliable ways to deprive the interlocutor of confidence. You can, for example, play a combat grenade by taking out and inserting the safety pin back. Almost everyone is very nervous. Checked.
    1. kalibr
      15 May 2018 19: 32
      +2
      Well, in the office at the director’s table, it’s somehow not ... then!
      1. Curious
        Curious 15 May 2018 20: 05
        +1
        You can still get a poisonous snake from the terrarium and offer to look closer. Poisonous teeth are removed, but the interlocutor does not know this.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 15 May 2018 20: 54
          +2
          I answer both of you, my dear people hi No smoking in the building! (anti-smoking, and all that) request I don’t have a separate office - I am the same part of the accounting office. Not yet matured, although our landlords laugh, they say: "You are slowly taking over the building" wink In other words, I can’t afford to smoke at the chief accountant! stop but right. Remember how Butusov sang ironically: "There are no villains in leather cabinets". wink From the people I do not come off at all!
          The second one. I never learned to smoke cigars. I do not know how and do not like it. In the Dominican Republic I wanted to take a gift, I ask the Russian seller in the "Russian store" (up to 50 thousand of ours are found there. Ours are in the halls, shoe shops at the checkout): "Which is better to take?"He takes the box, with the look of such a professional:"Well, you can have these, only 2000 dollars"... My eyes became like that of an anime hero, and from excitement I switched to my native Japanese:"Shikoku Shikoku ?????" belay Therefore .. well, it .. With our increase in excise taxes, you regret the money already for cigarettes .. And here - the whole amount of a trinket for a connoisseur! hi don't be me an oligarch!
          It remains .. either a bean .. or a peak, a vest and a red bow! taking into account the fact that in communism the efforts of some visitors I am already "savvy", now I can call every unpleasant visitor a counter and drive out! fellow good
          and so - advice is extremely valuable! good
  14. bubalik
    bubalik 15 May 2018 23: 47
    +1
    ,,, interesting, but as the knights celebrated the natural needs what Surely right in the armor belay or hatches were any winked ,, may Vyacheslav Olegovich give an explanation further hi
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 15 May 2018 23: 51
      +2
      for this, Sergey, I think, was a squire drinks in time at the call to run up, untie, shield yourself in a butterfly pose during the "sacrament". wink (bring it - give it - go to FIG, don’t interfere) wink In general, such armor was worn for a few hours. Could a knight suffer! yes well, but I couldn’t .. Again, there is a squire that will later wash, clean and wash! request drinks
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 16 May 2018 00: 02
        +1
        Mikado ↑
        Today, 00: 51
        ,,, still an important element of armor laughing ,,, and I thought it was a teapot lol


        ,,, that's what you need to surprise the client wassat offer freshly brewed tea winked drinks
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 16 May 2018 00: 05
          +3
          pancake.. belay colorfully! good oh, didn’t know, didn’t know! I propose to offer the esteemed Caliber to write an article about such .. "strainer"! wink drinks Please note that there is not only a strainer at the end, but also a colander on .. mmm .. well, in short, a “mixer”. So that, so to speak, "not sweating" hi
          Sergey, you do not know, are these being produced now? I want to change the mixer! drinks
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 16 May 2018 00: 17
            +1

            1 Mikado ↑
            Today,
            ,, Something suggestive that the samovar is the continuation of the line of knight armor wink laughing laughing
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 16 May 2018 00: 35
              +2
              judging by the complex shape of metal, but with a faucet - yes! wink laughing