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Bulgarian "bros" enter the war

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100 years ago, 14 October 1915, Bulgaria declared war on Serbia and entered the First World War on the side of the Central Powers. Bulgaria sought to establish itself as a leader in the Balkan Peninsula and get even with its neighbors for a humiliating defeat in the Second Balkan War 1913 of the year (“National Catastrophe”), for the loss of territories. The Bulgarian elite dreamed of creating "Great Bulgaria" with the seizures of the northern coast of the Aegean Sea with Thessaloniki, all of Macedonia and Dobrudzhi up to the mouth of the Danube, with access to the Sea of ​​Marmara. As a result, the Slavic power, most of whose population sympathized with the Russians, began to fight on the side of Germany and Austria. Bulgaria’s entry into the war on the side of the Central Powers predetermined the rout of Serbia.


Prehistory From Liberation to the Second Balkan War

The Russian army gave freedom from the Ottoman yoke to Bulgaria. According to the results of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. Bulgaria, with its center in Sofia, was declared an autonomous principality, effectively becoming an independent state. However, a significant portion historical Bulgaria - Bulgarian lands south of the Balkans (Eastern Rumelia with a center in Philippopolis); and Macedonia - lands to the Adriatic and the Aegean Sea, remained behind the Ottoman Empire. This did not suit Sofia. The Bulgarian leadership headed for the unification of Bulgaria and Rumelia. At the same time, Petersburg did not want to “rock the boat” in the Balkans and did not support Sofia. Therefore, Sofia gradually began to look for allies in the West.

As a result of the popular uprising in Eastern Rumelia on September 8, 1885, in Philippopolis (Plovdiv), its unification with Bulgaria was proclaimed. This event triggered a Bulgarian crisis. Vienna, fearing the emergence of a powerful Slavic power in the Balkans, which will focus on Russia, pushed Serbia into a war with the still fragile principality of Bulgaria, promising Serbia territorial acquisitions in the Western Balkans. Serbia, to prevent the strengthening of Bulgaria and having a number of territorial disputes with the Bulgarians, declared war on Bulgaria. Serbia hoped that Turkey would support it. But the Ottomans were afraid of the pressure of the great powers, especially Russia, and did not enter the war. The Serbs underestimated the enemy and were defeated. Only the intervention of Austria-Hungary, which warned Bulgaria that if the Bulgarian army did not retreat, Austria would intervene in the war, stopped the Bulgarian offensive. In February 1886, a peace treaty was signed in Bucharest, no territorial changes were made. However, the great powers resigned to the unification of Bulgaria. At the same time, Sofia was greatly offended by Russia.

In Sofia itself, a pro-Russian coup d'état occurred and Prince Alexander, who supported the policy of unifying Bulgaria and was guided by Austria, was overthrown. A new prince was again chosen a man who was also not a supporter of Russia - Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gothic, a protege of Austria-Hungary. Ferdinand claimed the leadership of Bulgaria in the Balkans, considering it as the main contender for the European legacy of the Ottoman Empire, which irritated Serbia and Russia. Therefore, he relied on the support of Austria and Germany.

Thus, Bulgaria met the 20th century, being already a completely different country than after liberation from the Turkish yoke. The struggle between Russophobes and Russophiles in the Bulgarian elite ended in victory for Russophobes. Prince Ferdinand I established a “personal regime,” based on fear and corruption. Russophobia touched even the saint for the Bulgarians, the memory of the national liberation movement 1876-1878. The memorial church of St. Alexander Nevsky, built in 1912 in honor of the Russian soldiers-liberators and standing for three years to the unholy, in 1915 was renamed the Cathedral Church of Saints Cyril and Methodius with the following argument: “The name of Alexander Nevsky ... never did not meet the popular aspirations and ideals. "

The Berlin Peace Treaty of 1878 granted Bulgaria the status of a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire. Although in reality the country conducted its own foreign policy and was no longer subordinate to Istanbul, the status of the dependent state infringed upon the national pride of the Bulgarians. After a coup took place in Turkey on 11 July 1908 and the Young Turks government came to power, Sofia decided it was time to reset the formal status of the dependent territory. Bulgaria has shown unequivocally that it wants complete independence. In response, the Ottoman Empire recalled its ambassador from Sofia. The Balkans were again on the brink of war.

In September, 1908 in Sofia held several secret meetings of Ferdinand I with the Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph. Vienna supported Sophia’s position, since at that time he was preparing for the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and she needed to divert Russia. September 22 The solemn ceremony of proclaiming a new state, the Kingdom of Bulgaria, took place on September 1908. Ferdinand was declared king.

Despite a number of severe defeats of the Ottoman Empire, she still had large possessions in the Balkans, where millions of Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks lived. Opponents of the Ottoman Empire decided to unite in order to finally oust Turkey from Europe and restore the integrity of their territories. Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece wanted to include the historical lands and, moreover, to achieve the greatest expansion of the borders of their powers (the projects of "Greater Greece", "Greater Serbia" and "Greater Bulgaria"). These projects were at odds with each other, since Bulgaria and Greece together claimed Thrace; Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria - to Macedonia, Serbia - to access the Adriatic Sea. Greece, Serbia and Montenegro were going to carry out the partition of Albania. However, while they had a common enemy - Turkey. Alone, neither Bulgaria, nor Serbia, nor Greece could resist the Ottoman Empire, which, despite the decline, was still a great power with a large army. In March 1912, an agreement was signed between Serbia and Bulgaria on the creation of a defensive alliance. In May, Greece joined the union. Later the union treaty was signed by Montenegro and Romania.

On October 8, 1912, the First Balkan War began. In May 1913, the war ended with the complete victory of the Balkan allies over the Ottoman Empire. Under the London Peace Treaty, Bulgaria acquired the province of Thrace with access to the Aegean Sea, as well as part of Macedonia. The first Balkan war allowed Bulgaria to create a fairly strong army with modern artillery and the first aviation detachment. Actively developed the young Bulgarian industry. King Ferdinand was generally open to everything new and tried to develop the country.

The Treaty of London opened the way to a new war. The Ottoman Empire abandoned most of its possessions in Europe in favor of the Balkan Union, but the member countries of the union themselves had to, without foreign mediation, divide the conquered territories. None of the founding states of the Balkan Union was fully satisfied with the London Agreement and the result of the war. Serbia did not receive access to the Adriatic because of the formation of the new state of Albania, Montenegro did not occupy Shkodra, Greece did not annex Thrace and part of Albania. Bulgaria was dissatisfied with the claims of the Serbs to Macedonia. There was a mass of territories where the Bulgarians lived interspersed with Romanians, Serbs or Greeks. There was a dispute over the "Macedonians", the Serbs considered them Serbs, the Bulgarians - the Bulgarians. In Greece, Macedonia was considered part of ancient Greece. The division of prey led to a new war.

Because of Albania, the war did not start, as the new independent state was under the protectorate of the great powers (primarily Austria-Hungary and Italy). Therefore, Macedonia and Thrace became the main stumbling block. Bulgaria and Serbia laid claim to Macedonia, Greece and Bulgaria claimed Thrace. Germany and Austria-Hungary played an important role in unleashing the war, they wanted to destroy the Balkan alliance and entice its participants to their camp on the eve of a major war in Europe. German and Austrian diplomats in Belgrade bowed the Serbian king to war with Bulgaria and Greece. They say that since Serbia was unable to gain access to the Adriatic Sea, it can compensate for this by capturing Macedonia and Thessaloniki. Thus, Serbia would get access to the Aegean Sea. In Sofia, the envoys of Vienna and Berlin said the same thing, but to the king Ferdinand. Austria-Hungary promised Bulgaria support in the Macedonian issue.

As a result, Serbia began to prepare for war and concluded an anti-Bulgarian alliance with Greece, which did not want to strengthen Bulgaria and already had a common border with Serbia. Montenegro is a traditional ally of Serbia. British diplomat George Buchanan, on the occasion of the start of the war, declared: "Bulgaria was responsible for the discovery of hostile actions, Greece and Serbia fully deserved the accusation of deliberate provocation." Indeed, it was an unjust war, all participants were in one way or another aggressors.

In the summer of 1913, Bulgaria began the war, hoping for a complete capture of Macedonia. Originally, the Bulgarians were successful, but then they were stopped. Serbian-Greek troops came to their senses from the first unexpected strike and launched a counteroffensive. In addition, Romania (which claimed land in South Dobruja) and Turkey decided to take advantage of the moment. They opposed Bulgaria. There was almost no resistance to the Romanian troops, since all the Bulgarian forces were far to the west of the country - on the Serbian-Bulgarian and Greek-Bulgarian fronts. The Turks seized Eastern Thrace and Adrianople. Bulgaria suffered a complete defeat.

10 August 1913 was signed the Bucharest peace treaty. Bulgaria, as a loser in the war, lost almost all of the territories captured during the First Balkan War and, moreover, South Dobrooja, which Romania gained. 29 September 1913 was signed the Constantinople Peace Treaty. The Ottoman Empire returned part of Eastern Thrace and the city of Adrianople (Edirne).

It is clear that Sophia was unhappy with this outcome of the war and wanted revenge. It is believed that the Bulgarian king Ferdinand I after signing the contract, he uttered the phrase: "My revenge will be terrible." Among the losers was also Russia, which suffered a serious diplomatic defeat in the Balkans. Slavic "bratushki" massacred the joy of Germany and Austria. The Balkan knot was not unraveled, but only added new reasons for a big war. So Serbia on the wave of victory was radicalized. In Belgrade, they dreamed of “Greater Serbia”, into which the lands should now have entered the Austro-Hungarian Empire. In Vienna, they were very worried and were looking for the possibility of "neutralizing" Serbia. Revanchist Bulgaria dreamed of restoring the borders of May 1913 in May, for which it was necessary to break Serbia. In addition, the Bulgarians had territorial claims to Romania, Greece and Turkey.

Bulgarian "bros" enter the war

Bulgarian King Ferdinand I

On the way to war

The defeat in the Second Balkan War was regarded in Bulgaria as the “First National Catastrophe”. Vasil Radoslavov became prime minister, who was guided by foreign policy towards Germany and Austria-Hungary. Ferdinand I supported this course. In Bulgaria, held a "purge" among the pro-Russian generals. Thus, the former head of the Bulgarian General Staff, commander of the Bulgarian army during the First Balkan War and assistant commander-in-chief during the Second Balkan War, General Radko-Dmitriev was sent as an envoy to Russia (and during the First World War will fight on the side of Russia).

In Bulgarian society, they actively cultivated ideas of revanchism. Many leading newspapers were anti-Serb and anti-Russian propaganda and were pro-German. The press propagated the idea that Bulgaria lost the war, since the Entente countries (including Russia) supported the enemies of Bulgaria - Greece and Serbia. Therefore, in the future confrontation, in order to regain lost territories, it is necessary to support Germany. Politicians often openly declared the need for revenge. In addition, the country was inundated with forced refugees from Macedonia, Thrace, South Dobrudja, which increased the discontent of the people and the position of revanchists. However, not everyone in Bulgaria believed that their country should get involved in a world war. In Bulgaria, there were still many supporters of an alliance with Russia.

Before the outbreak of the First World War, the Austro-Hungarian empire was the most interested in Bulgaria, frightened by the growing power of Serbia. Bulgaria also considered Serbia as the main opponent, which could lead to the formation of the Austro-Bulgarian alliance. However, at this time Berlin did not share the aspirations of Vienna. Kaiser Wilhelm II believed that Bulgaria suffered a strong defeat and its army lost its combat capability. Germany was more interested in Romania and Greece. Therefore, before the outbreak of the war, Berlin for a long time did not allow Vienna to take active actions against Bulgaria. Russia at that time unsuccessfully tried to restore its influence in Bulgaria. Petersburg offered to transfer to Bulgaria the important port of Kavala on the Aegean coast, but France and the United Kingdom did not support this initiative. All attempts by Russian diplomats to restore the Balkan Union failed.

A big role in the behavior of Bulgaria played finance. During the Balkan Wars, Sofia got into big debts. The defeat led to serious problems in the economy and finance. At the end of 1913, the Bulgarians began to look for the possibility of obtaining a large loan abroad. The envoys were sent to Paris, Vienna and Berlin. During the negotiations in Paris, the Bulgarians were given to understand that the loan is possible only if the cabinet of Radoslavov refused the course of rapprochement with Austria-Hungary and Germany. Austria and Germany met Bulgaria.

In mid-June, the Bulgarian government decided to conclude an agreement with the Austrian and German financiers. Russia and France, in order to disrupt this agreement, sent a proposal to the Bulgarian government on a loan of 1914 million francs without any political conditions and burdensome applications. However, Sofia, despite the profitability of the French proposal, refused it. At the same time, the Bulgarian government hid from the public the fact that France offers a loan without conditions. As a result, the German bankers granted Bulgaria a loan in the amount of 500 million francs. Lenders received the right to build a railroad to the Aegean coast, a royalty-free concession to operate coal mines, Bulgaria had to spend part of the money on a military order at German and Austro-Hungarian enterprises. After the signing of the agreement, the German influence on Bulgaria significantly increased.


Bulgarian Prime Minister Vasil Radoslavov

Bulgaria during the First World War

The Austro-Serbian conflict that began after the Sarajevo assassination delighted Sofia. It was hoped that this conflict would solve the Bulgarian territorial problems. In addition, the beginning of the world war strengthened the importance of Bulgaria for the opposing alliances. For each of the two coalitions, the Bulgarian army and resources were essential. At the maximum voltage, Bulgaria could have deployed a half-million army. Bulgaria occupied an important strategic military position in the region: the country had access to the Black and Aegean Seas, and had a common border with all significant Balkan states. For Germany and Austria, Bulgaria was important as a strategic communication to Turkey and the Middle East. Bulgaria, according to Vienna and Berlin, could neutralize Romania and Greece, and help in the defeat of Serbia. Especially after the failure of the Austrian army to defeat Serbia during the 1914 campaign. For Atlanta, Bulgaria was a corridor linking Serbia with Russia. The transfer of Bulgaria to the side of the Entente could lead to the breaking of ties between Germany, Austria and Turkey, increase pressure on the Ottoman Empire and strengthen Serbia.

1 August 1914 The city of Radoslavov announced in the National Assembly the determination of the Bulgarian government to maintain neutrality until the very end of the war. Actually it was a hoax. Sofia started bargaining with Berlin and Vienna. Ferdinand and the Bulgarian government were not going to immediately rush into battle. They used the “wise neutrality” to bargain for the highest wages for entering a warrior and see which side military success was leaning on. In addition, Bulgaria was exhausted by the previous wars, it was necessary to recuperate. Yes, and to raise the Bulgarian people to the new war was not easy. In addition, neighboring Greece and Romania took a neutral position.

5 August 1914, Russia's envoy to Sofia, A. Savinsky, presented to King Ferdinand a document inviting Bulgaria to join Russia in the name of "... the realization of popular ideals." Sofia declared a strict neutrality. It must be said that the Entente powers had good trumps - they could seduce Sofia with the prospects of a possible section of the Turkish inheritance. However, the weakness of the unity of the positions of France, Russia and England affected. Britain quite often refrained from actively supporting the position of the representatives of Russia and France in Sofia.

In this regard, it was easier for Vienna and Berlin to develop a common position and jointly press Turkey to make concessions to Bulgaria. True, they had to take a low profile against the Balkan countries, which so far remained neutral, so as not to push them into the camp of the Entente. As a result, the struggle for Bulgaria dragged on.

November 1 Bulgaria 1914 officially confirmed its neutrality after the Ottoman Empire entered the war. Sofia took into account the successes of Serbia in the fight against Austria-Hungary, the neutrality of Greece and Romania, and the successes of the Russian army in the Austrian Galicia. In addition, Bulgarian society was not enthusiastic about the possible participation of Bulgaria in the European conflict. At the same time, the Bulgarian government was still hostile to Russia. The request of St. Petersburg about the passage through the territory of Bulgaria of Russian transports with grain for Serbia, the office of Radoslavov categorically rejected. In turn, transports from Germany and Austria-Hungary followed the territory of Bulgaria to the Ottoman Empire.

At the initiative of Russia, the diplomats of the Entente began discussions on the size of the possible territorial increments of Bulgaria, which can lure Sofia into their camp. In addition to the Turkish territories, the Entente tried to persuade Serbia to cede part of Macedonia. Traditional British-Russian contradictions in the Balkans and in the zone of straits, as well as the intransigence of Serbia, did not allow for a long time to work out a common position on this issue. Only 7 in December 1914, Sofia, was given a document stating that if Bulgaria remained neutral in the war, she would receive insignificant territorial compensation in Eastern Thrace at the expense of Turkey. If Bulgaria enters the war on the side of the Entente, then it was promised an expansion of territorial increments in Eastern Thrace. Sofia promised to maintain neutrality, although she continued active negotiations with Berlin and Vienna.

At the end of 1914, the Bulgarian government was in no hurry to enter the war. The failure of the German offensive in France, the successes of the Russian troops in the struggle against Austria-Hungary and the unwillingness of the people to fight soberly acted on the highest ruling circles of the Third Bulgarian Kingdom. At the same time, the right-wing political forces declared “the leading role of Bulgaria in the Balkans” and plans to create “Great Bulgaria”, with access to the three seas - the Black, Marmara and Aegean.

In January, 1915, Austria-Hungary and Germany, despite the severity of the war, granted Bulgaria new loans in the amount of 150 million marks. At the same time, the Germans and Austrians financed Bulgarian newspapers, bribed politicians and provided financial assistance to pro-German political forces (the same policy was carried out in Greece). Therefore, Sofia in February 1915 again allowed the transit of goods from Austria and Germany to Turkey. Bulgaria made a fascinating offer at the expense of Turkey, the Turks offered great compensation at the expense of Serbia.

The beginning of the Dardanelles operation contributed to the increased interest of Britain and France to Bulgaria. Entente powers began funding newspapers and politicians in Bulgaria, following the example of Austria-Hungary and Germany. Envoys were sent to Sofia who tried to convince Ferdinand of the advantages of an alliance with the Entente. Bulgaria offered concessions at the expense of Turkey, access to the Sea of ​​Marmara from Rodosto, the possibility of returning part of Dobruzhdi (Romanian possessions), indicating that Romania is reciprocal of this after the war, part of Hungary, whose population is Romanians. However, Bulgaria demanded more parts of Serbian and Greek Macedonia with the port of Kavala.

The Bulgarian Bride was still in doubt. The Bulgarian government was ready to support the Central Powers. However, in Bulgaria they were still afraid of Russia. At the same time, Sofia was annoyed by Russia's plans to get Constantinople. Therefore, bargaining continued.


Bulgarian units go to war

Bulgaria decides to go to war

In the spring of 1915, Bulgaria continued to maintain “wise neutrality”, which enabled the politicians of this country to consistently sell either Germany or the Entente. Waiting and lavishing declarations on benevolent neutrality, Bulgarian politicians, like the Greeks, scattered in the assertions of friendship to the Anglo-French, while they themselves were inclined to the side of Germany. As a result, Britain and France, confident that Bulgaria would not oppose the Entente, did not force the negotiations.

Only 29 May 1915, the representatives of the Entente handed the Bulgarian government a document in which Bulgaria was again offered to side with England, France and Russia. Entente countries guaranteed the return of Eastern Thrace at the expense of Turkey to the Bulgarian kingdom. The Allies promised to begin negotiations with Belgrade, Athens and Bucharest on the transfer of Bulgaria to some parts of Vardar Macedonia, Aegean Macedonia and South Dobrudja. 14 June, the Bulgarian government proposed to clearly define the boundaries of the territories in Vardar and Aegean Macedonia, which should become part of Bulgaria. However, the Entente could not do it. If Serbia, forced by military circumstances, was ready to make concessions, then Greece and Romania did not want to give up. In addition, among the representatives of France, Great Britain and Russia, there was still no unity on how to attract Bulgaria to the war on the side of the Entente powers.

Germany and Austria-Hungary were more generous. They unequivocally stated that in the case of Bulgaria’s performance on their side, Sofia would receive all of Macedonia, Thrace, and also South Dobrudja (if Romania entered the war on the side of the Entente). In addition, Germany pledged to provide Bulgaria with a military loan in the amount of 500 million marks. Germany also managed to reconcile Bulgaria and Turkey. The Germans prepared a treaty that satisfied the Bulgarians at the expense of Turkey. In addition, the situation on the fronts was unfavorable for the Entente. England and France failed the Dardanelles operation. Russia suffered a heavy defeat on the Eastern Front, lost Galicia, Russian Poland. Anglo-French troops behaved passively on the Western Front. This convinced the Bulgarian leadership that the Central Powers were winning up in the war, that it was time to enter the war and get their share of the spoils.

6 September 1915 in the Bulgarian capital Sofia, a convention was signed between Germany and Bulgaria. Bulgaria was represented by the head of the government Vasil Radoslavov, and Germany - George Michaelis. According to the terms of the convention. Germany and Austria-Hungary had to deploy six infantry divisions for 30 days, and Bulgaria - four divisions for 35 days for action against Serbia. The general command of the Austro-German-Bulgarian group was to be assumed by the German General Augustus von Mackensen. In addition, it was planned to deploy a mixed German infantry brigade in Varna and Burgas and conduct submarines to the Black Sea. Bulgaria pledged to mobilize four divisions by September 21 and October 11 to launch an operation in Serbian Macedonia. Germany pledged to provide Bulgaria with financial and material support. Bulgaria opened its territory for the transit of goods from the Ottoman Empire to Germany and vice versa.

It was only when Bulgaria had already determined its position that the Entente powers became alarmed and began to make more attractive offers. So, September 15 1915 of the Entente proposed the territory of Macedonia to Bulgaria, which relegated to Serbia following the results of the 1913 war. The Serbs, having learned about the preparation of a large offensive operation by Austro-German troops, also became excited and agreed to all the sacrifices that Britain and France offered to do. However, the proposals, firstly, were late, and secondly - they were much less profitable than those made by the Central Powers. Therefore, the Bulgarian government replied, with the aim of delaying time, that it would refer the matter to the Bulgarian Tsar Ferdinand. Although the alliance with Germany has already been concluded, and there was a process of mobilization of the Bulgarian army.

Belgrade vainly asked for permission to attack Bulgaria before it finished mobilization, but the French were still hoping for success in the negotiations and were denied to the Serbs. As a result, Bulgaria calmly conducted its mobilization, continuing to reassure the Entente of its neutrality. The Russians put an end to this stupid situation by sending the 3 of Sofia to 1915 in October an ultimatum demanding to remove the German and Austrian officers from the Bulgarian army in the 24-hourly period and stop the concentration of Bulgarian troops on the Serbian border. The result of this ultimatum was the issuance of October 4 1915 Russian, British and French representatives of their passports.

October 14 Bulgaria declared war on Serbia. Neither the Bulgarians nor Russia had any claims to Russia, nor to Britain and France, but, proceeding from the principle of solidarity, they themselves declared war on Bulgaria in the following days. October 15 300-th. the Bulgarian army crossed the border with Serbia throughout its length. The defeat of Serbia was predetermined - the country had waged war against the Austro-Hungarian Empire for more than a year and was exhausted by war and blockade. In addition, several days earlier, German units had already entered Belgrade. Greece and Romania have maintained their neutrality.


Bulgarian cavalry in the captured Serbian city. October 22 1915 of the year
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 October 2015 06: 42 New
    16
    Brothers are brothers, but the question is: to whom are they brothers?
    based on the latest events, definitely not for us.
    1. alekc75
      alekc75 13 October 2015 08: 00 New
      +9
      paskudy they and grabbers
      1. Temples
        Temples 13 October 2015 10: 30 New
        +9
        Brothers are brothers, but the question is: to whom are they brothers?
        based on the latest events, definitely not for us.

        Based on the events of recent centuries laughing
        Bulgarians grabbing the cradles on the side and asking the Russians at the moment of humiliation.
        And openly opposing the Russians at the moment of their own balance.
        What is this brotherhood?
        It is rather a bliss!
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 13 October 2015 22: 12 New
          +3
          Sorry to keep repeating the same thing every month.

          Brotherhood of Peoples by Religion or Linguistic - Blood Relations - THIS MYTH

          It's time to stop believing in him

          There is a science - geopolitics. There are English luminaries (McKinder for example) Amerian, there is our native Gumilyov, who also says the same

          The world is divided into worlds of civilization: there is China, there is India - a separate world, there is an Islamic world - the south for us, and there is the West - the sea, and we are the land

          We - land - the union of Orthodox Slavs and the great steppe - and we are a thousand years old
          We were called the empire of the Huns of Atilla and fought with Rome, there was Desht and Kipchak - the Golden Horde, then Tsarist Russia, the USSR, then the collapse and fall of Eurasia, now we are trying to merge into the EAC
          Something else will happen tomorrow - but the main thing is that the peoples are the same - they are Russians and Tuvans, Tatars and Mongols, Buryats and Kazakhs, etc. - but the Bulgarians have never been among them - and it’s stupid to expect something

          Here is another question - under some circumstances, Eurasia can somehow use the fact that some of its peoples (say, Orthodox Russians_ have something in common with some European people - say, Greeks or Bulgarians (or Serbs) - and use this in geopolitics for benefit to all our other "Tungus"

          Or for example, you can communicate with Turkey through the steppe Turkic peoples: Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz

          But neither Turkey nor Bulgaria will ever be "ours" - we are ours, Yakuts and Russians, Tatars and Mongols, etc.
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    3. Petrol
      Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 05 New
      +4
      Bulgarians, that is, a newcomer people in the territories of the Slavs of Illyrians.
      The Bulgar brought Khan Asparuh to that territory when the climate changed in Central Asia.
      since he liked the territory that he liked and further advancement through the lands of the Slavs his people threatened with complete death, he decided to make peace with the Illyrians and settle in the territory of the Slavs while with the permission of the indigenous people, changed the name of his people where the Turkic "U" - perpetual motion was replaced by Slavic "O" - settledness (WHAT WOULD NOT HINDER TO DO MY COUNTRY AND THESE ETERNAL "SWING" WOULD END TO EUROPE (VENEYA - VIENNA YARA) TO RUSSIA (RUS)) NOW THIS PEOPLE ARE CALLED ASIA BULGARIANS!
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 13 October 2015 12: 24 New
        +2
        The Greeks * o * pronounce easier than * u * so the Bulgarians appeared. And local Bulgarians who were slaughtered, enslaved or sold. There were no Turks without slaves and * economy * built on slavery.
        1. Pancho
          Pancho 13 October 2015 18: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Vasily50
          The Greeks * o * pronounce easier than * y *

          What did you get?
      2. Rastas
        Rastas 13 October 2015 20: 56 New
        +1
        There is a good book by Zadokhin and Nizovsky, The Powder Magazine of Europe, which contains an analysis of the Second Balkan War. Not everything there is so unambiguous about Bulgaria. The Bulgarians were essentially provoked to war by Serbia and Greece, and then they were simply robbed in alliance with the Romanians. The Bulgarians hoped for Russia, but our diplomacy was clearly not up to par. But a holy place is never empty, the place of Russia was taken by the Austro-German bloc. In general, look for class interest in any war. The second Balkan war was aggressive in nature.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2015 07: 45 New
    10
    In Sofia itself, a pro-Russian coup..Perhaps a typo .. anti-Russian coup ..
    Now "brothers" will appear and will write that this article is anti-Bulgarian ... The fact that in Bulgaria, the participation of this country in WWI is on the side of the Germans and Turks (those who have been spreading rot for 500 years), they consider the Patriotic ... the barbaric "shelling of absolutely peaceful Bulgarian cities by the Black Sea Fleet ... of the type in these cities German submarines and surface ships were not based ..
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 October 2015 11: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      In Sofia itself, a pro-Russian coup took place .. Probably a typo .. anti-Russian coup ..

      The paradox is that in Bulgaria even a pro-Russian coup led to anti-Russian consequences. smile
  3. V.ic
    V.ic 13 October 2015 07: 49 New
    +2
    Even during the Second World War, Serbian blood was shed ... "Slavs", their mother ...
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 13 October 2015 10: 10 New
      -1
      Bulgarians are NOT SLAVE. Bulgarians TURKS. The Bulgarians once divided in the Caspian littoral, part went along the Volga and created the Volga Bulgaria, others went to Byzantium, where they massacred the locals and built their kingdom. It was from Byzantine neighbors that Bulgaria appeared. From the Slavs there are either former slaves of the Turks or former slaves of the Bulgarians. Therefore, all the mantras about * bros * are lies, moreover, consciously, and appeared when it became profitable precisely for the Bulgarians * moaning * under the Turks. Betrayal, well, so they betrayed the Turks, * freed *, and then arranged the fate of * the motherland * and did not choose the means. In general, Bulgaria as a state is * a project * of Austria, and RUSSIA took part in this, thanks to the Austrian as minister under the tsar.
      1. Temples
        Temples 13 October 2015 10: 33 New
        +2
        Bulgarians TURKS.

        And in general, Bulgaria as a state is * a project * of Austria,

        What the hell!
        Well, they say something is not in Turkic ???
        Spite the Slavs ??? wassat
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 13 October 2015 11: 29 New
          +2
          I do not urge you to learn history, it is useless to you. Just think about why the Bulgarians changed one German king to another? Why are Turks and Germans the best friends of the Bulgarian people? Where is it from? If this is not a * call of blood * then what? Benefit?
          1. Temples
            Temples 13 October 2015 11: 48 New
            -2
            You, sir, if you address your opponent to "you", then write this word with a capital letter.
            Not knowing a person is not worth judging him.
            But it makes sense to think.
            Turks are friends of the Bulgarian people? wassat
            Did the Bulgarians exchange the king for the king? Do you really think that people are changing the king to the king ??? Do you believe that? Did the inhabitants of the country decide and exchange one king for another?

            Friends are not peoples, but people !!! Specific people! Are you friends with one of the Bulgarians?
            "Friendship of peoples" leads to unexpected turns.
            "Friendship of peoples" is nothing but a political conjuncture.
            And there are always people who disagree with your point of view. Even among friends. And there is nothing wrong with that.
            I wish you more friends.
            1. Petrol
              Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 24 New
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              You are emptiness, darkness is a test old "y_vy" - i.e. there is nothing!
              Alas, where "u" Sliany is a phenomenon, and in a place it sounds like a manifestation of emptiness!
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      2. traveler
        traveler 13 October 2015 13: 36 New
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        the so-called Proto-Bulgarians - the Bulgars of Khan Asparuh are indeed the Turks and the founders of the state, but their role in the ethnogenesis of the Bulgarians is about the same as the Scandinavians in the ethnogenesis of the Russians. Being the ruling, but minority, for several centuries they were assimilated among the mass of subordinate Slavic population.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 14 October 2015 14: 31 New
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          travel. The Scandinavians and other Germans under the Romanovs got the opportunity to settle in RUSSIA and * participate * in * improve * the ethnogenesis of the nobility, and no more. Moreover, only ferocious orders, or even simply threats to the tsar’s house, forced the RUSSIAN nobles * to feign * with the Germans.
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      3. Turkir
        Turkir 15 October 2015 00: 09 New
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        In fact, Bulgaria was born earlier than Austria-Hungary. And much more.
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    3. Petrol
      Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 14 New
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      Bulgarians THIS IS NOT A SLAVE!
      SLAVES (SVAROZHYA LAVA - (for short) introduced and Ivan the Terrible in memory of the great ancestors ordering the prince to use Slavs instead of Slovenes)
      Svarozhy lava - pre-Christian warriors who wielded two swords and only controlled their horses in battle (a kind of combine harvester on the battlefield that instilled wild horror in the Greeks (Greek from the word sin) at the sight of soldiers naked to the waist with two swords in their hands!)


      Bulgarians, that is, a newcomer people in the territories of the Slavs of Illyrians.
      The Bulgar brought Khan Asparuh to that territory when the climate changed in Central Asia.
      since he liked the territory that he liked and further advancement through the lands of the Slavs his people threatened with complete death, he decided to make peace with the Illyrians and settle in the territory of the Slavs while with the permission of the indigenous people, changed the name of his people where the Turkic "U" - perpetual motion was replaced by Slavic "O" - settledness (WHAT WOULD NOT HINDER TO DO MY COUNTRY AND THESE ETERNAL "SWING" WOULD END TO EUROPE (VENEYA - VIENNA YARA) TO RUSSIA (RUS)) NOW THIS PEOPLE ARE CALLED ASIA BULGARIANS!
      the Slavs only have an army and a fleet of bros!
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      2. atalef
        atalef 13 October 2015 12: 19 New
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        Quote: Benzin
        Bulgarians THIS IS NOT A SLAVE!

        Shit belay
        By the way, I read the same thing that Ukrainians claim to be descendants of Atlantes.
        Quote: Benzin
        Svarozha lava - pre-Christian warriors who wielded two swords and in battle controlled horses only with their legs

        Laying eggs in their eyes instead of blinkers.
        Quote: Benzin
        Slavs of Illyrians

        of course the Slavs, you yourself belong to what people
        The Illyrians, according to Greek authors, included the Ardiyes, Dalmatians, Dardans, Desitiates, Dietesians, Pannontsi, Pirusts, Pleiras, Messups, Tavlantii, Enchelia, Yapigi, Yapoda, etc.

        It remains controversial to classify among the Illyrians such nations as Istria and Libour, since their toponymy is rather close to the Venetian in a number of morphological characters

        Quote: Benzin
        the Slavs only have an army and a fleet of bros!

        Add more EW ... and order. good
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 33 New
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          which is clearly true!
          atalef your words are predictable.
          - "If a goy of Slavic origin tries to prove himself, to attract attention, create noise effects at this moment: shuffle your feet, creak chairs, get up and walk, laugh, talk, purr, something under your breath, cough, blow your nose, interrupt goy's speech with counter questions, jokes. "
          1. atalef
            atalef 13 October 2015 12: 57 New
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            Quote: Benzin
            "If a goy of Slavic origin tries to prove himself, attract attention to himself, create noise effects at this moment: shuffle your feet, creak chairs, get up and walk, laugh, talk, purr, something under your breath, cough, blow your nose, interrupt speech goya with counter questions, jokes. "

            Have you already been diagnosed?
            1. Petrol
              Petrol 13 October 2015 13: 05 New
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              atalef
              about * diagnosis *
              as Rabbi Bakai's ancestor broadcast
              - "Have patience, wait and then expose this individual in front of the herd. In the eyes of the whole goy herd you will become not only a righteous man, but even a hero!"
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 October 2015 14: 55 New
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                Gasoline, are you okay? Bullshit totally! laughing
            2. victor
              victor 14 October 2015 18: 19 New
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              Let's talk from whom did the Jews ... Jews ??? Or about the diagnosis of a taxi driver-historian?
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          1. Hello
            Hello 14 October 2015 18: 33 New
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            Quote: victor
            Well ... not only they rule in my dying country ... Well, there are also live ... taxi drivers here earned by historians ... Well ... a small site however - otherwise why are there so many ... Mediterranean people in modernity ... By the way , and what is the problem with Hebrew, taxi driver?

            Relax, we already realized that Jews are to blame for all your personal troubles, I won’t be surprised if a Jew sits under your bed and steals socks, and another drinks water from the tap fool
            1. tilix
              tilix 14 October 2015 19: 52 New
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              Relax, we have already realized that the Jews are to blame for all your personal troubles, I would not be surprised if a Jew sits under your bed and steals socks, and one more drinks water from the tapfool>
              Duck not only drinks water, he also returns "if there is water in the tap ..."
              1. Hello
                Hello 14 October 2015 19: 56 New
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                Quote: tilix
                Duck not only drinks water, he also returns "if there is water in the tap ..."

                By the way, why is there still water in Israel in this connection? Somehow not to converge. Apparently a natural cataclysm wink
                1. tilix
                  tilix 14 October 2015 20: 13 New
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                  But because "shifdan". Jewish water cycle. Well, we drink slowly from the sea. And there, as in a bedside table, it does not end. good >
      3. Basil50
        Basil50 13 October 2015 12: 32 New
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        Gasoline. You are right, in Ukraine, at the crossroads of the resettlement of peoples, many nations have merged, albeit not always peacefully, hence the different aspirations. It’s a pity that not the smartest and most developed, proud of ignorance and savagery, are now striving for power.
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 35 New
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          Basil in Ukraine, no one is torn anywhere Ukraine under external control!
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 13 October 2015 12: 44 New
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            Well, the * stormtroopers * and * sectors * believe that they can be masters, * Panas *, and that’s crazy. I lived at one time in Ukraine, so I regret that it happened there. Very sorry.
            1. Petrol
              Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 51 New
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              Vasily50 what they are there tries. * stormtroopers * snotty 16-year-old punks and whose basso from the box is inspired by "Aryan exclusivity"
              1. Basil50
                Basil50 13 October 2015 13: 18 New
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                Well, what were found.
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        2. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 13: 16 New
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          BASIL 50
          in western Ukraine there are almost no Slavs!
          in western and central Ukraine, people speak like Germans, Turks and Uzbeks with a breath of consonants, but unlike the same Germans, the words are different.
          and in Transcarpathia, there is a soft "L" in speech, like among Romanians, Magyars, Italians and other gypsies!
          only Rusyns have Russian speech without an accent.
          and my grandfather said that the last Slavs in western Ukraine were crushed in thalerhof.
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  4. Servla
    Servla 13 October 2015 08: 42 New
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    More corrupt Slavs than the Bulgarians and Poles the world never knew ...
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    2. Basil50
      Basil50 13 October 2015 12: 06 New
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      In Poland, the pans consider themselves Sarmatians (Turkic tribe), but slaves, in Polish * cattle. * * They had Slavs. True, unlike the Goths and Saxons, the pans with the locals were sometimes * calibrated *. By the way, the lords had Latin for a long time as the official language, as did writing.
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    4. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 13 October 2015 15: 07 New
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      Quote: Servla
      More corrupt Slavs than the Bulgarians and Poles the world never knew

      I will not argue, but the Poles in corruption are still difficult to convict.
      1) As for Russia, it was all the time (except perhaps the period of artificial "brotherhood" from the 40s to 1991) its enemy.
      2) In September 1939, it was soon betrayed / sold by her allies.
      1. victor
        victor 14 October 2015 18: 22 New
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        Do you peep the story yourself, pane capetagno? Or where do you buy tea on the maydaun?
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  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 October 2015 08: 55 New
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    Bulgaria of that period is very reminiscent of today's Ukraine. The same betrayal of the Slavic brotherhood for the sake of momentary small profit, the desire to become new Europeans, even on the humiliating role of a second-rate object. For every Russian, betrayal of Ukraine is an unbearable pain. The pain is constant and not passing. After some time, Ukraine will become the same as Bulgaria, a worthless, non-voting state.
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 19: 14 New
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      One thing is interesting to me! Why do you keep repeating the same mantras all the time? "traitors, traitors, traitors .." All traitors, except you! Why don't you take it and figure out who actually betrayed whom! Who destroyed the USSR, CMEA, OVD? Who betrayed all his allies and yelled "we are for democracy, we will be friends from the West, Europe from Lamanche and Kamchatka", etc. What a strange mentality, to look for the guilty here, but not at home! Is this your disease or what?
  6. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 13 October 2015 08: 56 New
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    Meaning they go to war? In the 15th it was already clear that the Entente would win.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 October 2015 11: 21 New
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      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Meaning they go to war? In the 15th it was already clear that the Entente would win.

      Just in 1915 nothing was clear yet.
      ... the situation on the fronts was unfavorable for the Entente. England and France failed the Dardanelles operation. Russia suffered a heavy defeat on the Eastern Front, lost Galicia, Russian Poland. Anglo-French troops passively behaved on the Western Front. This convinced the Bulgarian leadership that the Central Powers were gaining up in the war, that it was time to enter the war and get their share of the booty.

      And, looking at the agony of Serbia, Bulgaria decided that it had a chance to "replay" the lost Second Balkan.
      On August 10, 1913, the Bucharest Peace Treaty was signed. Bulgaria, as the party losing the war, lost almost all the territories captured during the First Balkan War and, moreover, Southern Dobrudja, which Romania received.

      Germany and Austria-Hungary were more generous. They unequivocally stated that in the case of Bulgaria’s appearance on their side, Sofia would receive all of Macedonia, Thrace, and also Southern Dobrudja (if Romania enters the war on the side of the Entente). In addition, Germany pledged to provide Bulgaria with a military loan in the amount of 500 million marks. Germany also managed to reconcile Bulgaria and Turkey. The Germans prepared a treaty that satisfied the Bulgarians at the expense of Turkey.
    2. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 19: 19 New
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      The meaning is very simple! Bulgaria fought not for the forces of the Agreement and not against the Entente. Bulgaria Fought FOR HIMSELF! FOR YOUR IMPOSITION AND RESTORATION OF HISTORICAL JUSTICE! When a people goes under military banners with a clear consciousness and conviction that their causation is fair, they believe that they can win, even the most powerful enemies! Unfortunately, this does not always work.
  7. Turkir
    Turkir 13 October 2015 10: 33 New
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    Thanks for the detailed article.
  8. Samarskiy
    Samarskiy 13 October 2015 10: 34 New
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    Bulgarians are still warriors. If it weren’t for the Russian soldiers, they would have worked as shoe cleaners for the Janissaries.
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 13 October 2015 13: 46 New
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      Would you read something about the defense of the Shipkinsky Pass and the battles of the Bulgarian militia near Stara Zagora.
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 19: 33 New
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        6. In 1885 the Principalities of Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia were reunited. The Turks began preparing for the invasion of Bulgaria. The entire Bulgarian army was about 96 thousand. focused on the eastern borders to repel the expected invasion of the Turks. Russia, dissatisfied with the fact that the reunification was not coordinated with it, withdrew all of its command staff from the Bulgarian troops. The Bulgarian army was left without senior officers and had no combat experience until that moment. The conflict with the Ottomans was resolved peacefully, but Serbia, taking advantage of the critical situation in Bulgaria, attacked in the back! A well-armed and trained Serbian army of over 130 thousand soldiers poured from the West ... The capital of Bulgaria is only 40 km away. from the border with Serbia and the Serbian King boasted that "he will have breakfast in Belgrade, and will dine in Sofia ..". All the observers of that time believed that Bulgaria would be defeated in a matter of hours, only Russian officers expressed the opinion that "the Bulgarians would knock out the entire Serbian army." Bulgarian border guards and militias held back the Serbs for several days, while the Bulgarian army, in the most severe winter conditions and impassable roads, redeployed to the west. The arriving Bulgarian regiments immediately entered the battle. Within a week, the entire Serbian army was defeated and began an indiscriminate retreat to Belgrade. Only the ultimatum of Austro-Vegria forced the Bulgarians to stop their advance. This war went down in history as the "War of Captains against Generals", since the Bulgarian army did not have officers older than the captain.
    2. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 19: 31 New
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      I will give you just a few facts about what kind of war the Bulgarians had.
      1. The Bulgarian army never lost its banner in captivity. In Bulgarian museums, hundreds of captive banners of foreign armies are kept, which Bulgarians captured in wars. On the banner of the Bulgarian army is written "God is with us."
      2. During the First World War, the level of mobilization tension in Bulgaria was a record. With a population of 5 million people, more than 900 thousand soldiers passed through the fronts. The entire male population of the country. Most went to mobilization points even before receiving the draft.
      3.3. The Bulgarian soldiers, entering the battle, swore that they would kill at least one enemy. Such an oath was given, only the Japanese and the Gurkas. With one of the largest battles in the Balkan War during the oncoming bayonet battle and with a significant numerical superiority over the Bulgarians, the Turks gave terrifying losses. When miscalculating, it turned out that each Bulgarian soldier killed an average of 60 Turkish soldiers. This is still a world record in battles between the army with the same level of technical equipment.
      4. In the same Balkan war, almost the entire Bulgarian army was concentrated on the eastern front against the Turks, where their main forces were located. On the western front in Macedonia, Greeks, Serbs and Montenegrins acted. There, the Bulgarians supported a minor military force. It sounds incredible, but it is a fact - in one of the cities in Macedonia, 12 thousand. Turkish ganizon surrendered in captivity at 4 Bulgarian soldiers.
      5. The command for a bayonet attack in the Bulgarian army sounded like this - "Forward to the knife!" (Forward to the knife). The Turks somehow know Bulgarian, it sounded like "Pet for a knife!" (Pierce at least a peter of the enemy with bayonets). During the Bolkan War, the Turks were very afraid of bayonet attacks, the Bulgarian army and panicked left their positions after hearing the terrifying "Go to the knife!"
    3. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 19: 49 New
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      7.In the battle of Dobrich / a Bulgarian town in South Dobrudja /, where Russian regiments come to the aid of the Romanian troops, the Bulgarian army goes on the offensive having three times fewer soldiers than the enemy. On 19.10.1916/3/XNUMX and the next day, the Bulgarians smash both the Romanians and the Russians. Several thousand Russian soldiers and officers were taken prisoner, along with XNUMX Russian banners. In the following days, the Bulgarian army crosses the Danube and takes Bukuresh. Russian generals speak very highly of the fighting qualities of the Bulgarians: "They / Bulgarians / fight fiercely and do not retreat, even when the enemy outnumbered them. In terms of fighting qualities, the Bulgarian soldiers are utterly superior to the Romanians and are similar to us / Russians /. Feels like Russian. school! Especially in bayonet attacks, where few can resist the pressure of the Bulgarians! It is a pity that they are not our allies! "
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 19: 54 New
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        There are hundreds more cases in which the Bulgarians show unconditionally their high military skills. I think and the few who quoted are enough for a general idea. In general, there is almost no battle in which the Bulgarians were more numerous than their opponents. Sometimes the Bulgarians held the victory over the enemy, which exceeded them numerically 30 times! For example, in one of the battles with the Greeks during the Allied War in 1913.
  9. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 13 October 2015 10: 57 New
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    Quote: Vasily50
    Bulgarians are NOT SLAVE. Bulgarians TURKS.


    Do you know who, where and when created the Slavic writing?

    Where did the first Cyrillic books appear and where did they come from in Russia?

    Maybe a Turkish (Ottoman) sultan or a vezir which they wrote or a Turkic khan in the steppe, in a tent made of horse skin fool
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 13 October 2015 11: 46 New
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      You pray more and believe, they will tell you something else. OUR ancestors owned several types of writing even when the savages of the West hardly mastered * Latin *. Gundyaev deliberately lied. OUR ancestors were educated and were able not only to read and write, but also owned many technologies that were inaccessible to the savages of the West. Under the Romanovs, these were mercenaries from Europe who agreed to any meanness and had no roots, when directly ordering benefactors on the throne, to lie about the Slavs and RUSSIA. Look for information about the destruction of STATE ARCHIVES during the accession of the Romanovs and what kind of punishment awaited those who dared to preserve any evidence of RUSSIAN history. Nikon laid the foundation and motivation for substantiating * savagery * RUSI, and it was much later that they began to reduce everything to a church schism.
      1. ivanovbg
        ivanovbg 13 October 2015 13: 17 New
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        The first written signs appeared around 3 thousand years BC. in Mesopotamia between the Tigris and Euphrates. These were burnt clay slabs with cuts, which denoted the amount of grain produced. Later, the Chaldean cuneiform script, the Hebrew alphabet, Ancient Greek, Latin and Cyrillic took shape.

        St. Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarians and I am very proud of them. But nevertheless, I do not claim that the Cyrillic alphabet is ancient Latin.

        And you repeat that before Latin there was some kind of primordially Russian writing? Is that the same? Sanskrit? Chinese hieroglyphs?

        The first original Russian written monuments I know are birch bark letters of the 10th century in Cyrillic.
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 15: 31 New
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          ivanovbg
          unnecessarily empty debate, I know what I got from my parents!
          Cyril took the letter that he was given ...
          remade in a Christian way because he thought in terms of a sincere Christian!
          combining the "receptacle of the mind" with the "spiritual principle" drew "A", after changing "being in conscience" for "Buki", "Dawn - the light of knowledge" for "Zelo", "Cheti - consent" - for "Worm". female, male and subsequent sprout (the original is present on the seal of the Novgorod prince Burivoy) so the constancy of water in interaction with other minerals, the atmosphere and solar energy gives rise to the second trinity - he generally destroyed the feminine and masculine principle before the earthly touch, therefore the Slavs see the letter of Cyril - "F" as the destruction of the family, nature, and the Slavic end of the world, thoughts - replaced the rhombus with the Greek omega.

          in general, Cyril has created a "masterpiece" that brings spiritual destruction to our children!

          and the word "runes" in Russian means - to dig a hole or make a hole!
          vimana - I am hanging or hanging!
          vimana pilot (horsiman) - light-carrying man
        2. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 15: 47 New
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          ivanovbg
          this is your knowledge
          from the fact that a collection of modern history commissioned by a German woman was made by the "great Russian scientists" Bayer, Miller, Schletzer!
        3. Pancho
          Pancho 13 October 2015 18: 50 New
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          Quote: ivanovbg
          St. Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarians and I am very proud of them

          In vain, be proud, they had nothing to do with the Bulgarians. They were Greeks.
          1. but still
            but still 14 October 2015 02: 08 New
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            Quote: Pancho
            Quote: ivanovbg
            St. Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarians and I am very proud of them

            In vain, be proud, they had nothing to do with the Bulgarians. They were Greeks.

            Yeah, nothing to do with the Bulgarians, but from childhood they knew the Bulgarian language and subsequently transferred from Greek to Bulgarian liturgical literature :)
            Say, were the Greeks? And why not Macedonians? Russian authors of the Soviet period wrote about them in the same way that they were Macedonians :)
            I understand that you quickly inquired on Wikipedia that the Enlightenment brothers were born and raised in Thessaloniki, or in Thessaloniki, and decided that they were Greeks. Of course, only Greeks lived in the Byzantine Empire :) In this large port city there were no Bulgarians, no Armenians, no Jews and other nationalities. Do you make the difference between "Russian" and "Russian"? Do only Russians live in Russia?
            C'mon - let Cyril and Methodius even be Martians - they created GLAGOLIC writing, and the Cyrillic alphabet, on which we write, was created by their students, the Bulgarians, who named the new alphabet in honor of their teachers, in particular, the Bulgarian enlightener Clement Ohridski is considered to be the creator of the Cyrillic alphabet . And the spread of the Cyrillic alphabet in Russia, and the baptism, and the spread of Christianity - everything happened thanks to the Bulgarian liturgical books written by the Bulgarians in Bulgaria in the Bulgarian language. Any questions?
            1. Basil50
              Basil50 14 October 2015 19: 19 New
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              How are you, Bulgarians, rushing from the desire to become * great *, even mythology and witnesses are referred to. Here are just all the testimonies written much later, as by the way, and witnesses to the life of Christ. And do not need fairy tales about Slavism or brotherhood. You have your own interests and do not need US and RUSSIA to talk about OUR interests and the interests of RUSSIA.
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            3. Pancho
              Pancho 14 October 2015 21: 20 New
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              Quote: but still
              Any questions?

              You retell these Bulgarian legends to your ignoramuses. And I don’t have to hang noodles on my ears. And yet, I haven’t heard about any famous Bulgarians anymore, but why, because they weren’t. Here you are trying to snatch even here a piece to attach importance to. Methodius was a ruler in the Slavic principality in the Byzantine Empire, which gave him the opportunity to learn the Slavic language, that is, from birth he did not know him. Well and Bulgarian, respectively, WASN’T. Learn history.
              1. but still
                but still 15 October 2015 16: 03 New
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                Ignoramuses, read at least your Russian academician D.S. Likhachev, an expert on ancient Russian literature. Here are some quotes from his many scientific works:

                “On the other hand, the language of church writing, of those books that were transported to us or were copied with us, was the literary language adopted by the Bulgarians. And this makes the enormous importance of Bulgaria in the adoption of Christianity undoubted.
                Thanks to the Bulgarian writing, Christianity immediately emerged in Russia as a highly organized religion with a high culture. The role and authority of the language that came to us with church books from Bulgaria is exceptional. Divine services were performed in this language. It was the language of high culture, gradually adopting East Slavic vocabulary and spelling. This indicates what role Bulgaria played in the baptism of Rus. In the end, the church script that was passed on to us by Bulgaria is the most important thing that baptism gave to Rus. "
                .
                "The Church Slavonic language, transferred to Russia from Bulgaria not only through books, but also orally through worship, immediately became in Russia a kind of indicator of the spiritual value of what was spoken and written in it. Bulgaria gave the Eastern Slavs the highest layer of the language," a pole of spirituality ", Which greatly enriched our language, which gave our language moral strength, the ability to elevate thought, concepts, ideas. This is the language that was trusted by the highest thoughts, in which they prayed, in which they wrote solemn words. He was always" next "to the Russian people , enriched him spiritually. "
                1. Pancho
                  Pancho 15 October 2015 21: 48 New
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                  An ignoramus himself. Likhachev has his own opinion of others: The most significant influence on the language of Ancient Russia was the influence of the Greek language. Kievan Rus conducted a lively trade with Byzantium, and the penetration of Greek elements into Russian vocabulary began even before the adoption of Christianity in Russia (VI century) and intensified under the influence of Christian culture in connection with the baptism of the Eastern Slavs (IX century), the distribution of liturgical books translated from Greek to Old Slavonic.

                  Greek names are many names of household items, vegetables, fruits: cherry, cucumber, doll, ribbon, tub, beets, lantern, bench, bathhouse; words related to science, enlightenment: grammar, mathematics, history, philosophy, notebook, alphabet, dialect; borrowings from the field of religion: angel, altar, pulpit, anathema, archimandrite, antichrist, archbishop, demon, oil, gospel, icon, incense, cell, schema, lampada, monk, monastery, sexton, archpriest, requiem, etc.

                  Later borrowings from the Greek language relate exclusively to the field of science and art. Many Greekisms came to us through other European languages ​​and are widely used in scientific terminology that has received universal recognition: logic, psychology, department, idyll, idea, climate, criticism, metal, museum, magnet, syntax, lexicon, comedy, tragedy, chronograph, planet, stage, stage, theater and under.
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    3. Petrol
      Petrol 13 October 2015 12: 47 New
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      ivanovbg
      the Slavs had 2 types of writing!
      so ... an episode from a personal ....
      when, while working with scientific and technological revolution in 2004, an employee of the I. N. KB "Yuzhnoye" showed me a photo taken by the station "Luna-13", the photo showed a stone on which the inscription "lighthouse" was clearly read (the rest was not made out).
      so on KB "Yuzhnoye anecdote went, that they say Vasnetsov copied the picture" knight at the crossroads "in a dream from the Moon-13!
      I asked - "what is science" the answer is interesting)) - science believes that this is a play of light and shadow BUT the material is taken into account!
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 13 October 2015 15: 18 New
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        All the same, no matter how, your answer does not clarify what the Slavs had except Cyril and Mythodius.
        Well, isn't the game of light "Luna-13" considered writing?
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 15: 34 New
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          Captain nemo
          for what purpose do you need it?
        2. Petrol
          Petrol 13 October 2015 15: 58 New
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          CAPTAIN NEMO!

          but what the Slavs had for writing was described by Theophylact or, well, the life of the saints Cyril and mythody
          - "In Kherson, Konstantin managed to find" The Gospel and the Psalter were written in Russian, "as well as a person who spoke this language. Constantine, talking with him, learned this speech and, on the basis of conversations, divided the letters into vowels and consonants and with the help of God soon began to read and explain the found books. "
          in other words, speaking in Ukrainian - "Kiril zrobyv pulling out from the enduring material" ;-)))))))))))
          1. ivanovbg
            ivanovbg 13 October 2015 16: 22 New
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            Yeah, here it is. Cyril did not create Slavic writing, but took it at the ready from the Paraprotoucropithecus. Obviously no logic to take the laser defense of your plates, scoop and vimaan flying to the moon itself. Let me ask you when exactly this unheard-of injustice happened - before or after the paraprotoucropithecus started the “digs of the Black Sea”?
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 15 October 2015 00: 28 New
              +3
              You misunderstood Benzin. The point is that Konstantin did not create an alphabet for Russian writing, which was already before him, but brought it into line with the Greek alphabet - he added only a few letters.
              I want to recall that Cyril and Methodius (regardless of their ethnic group) represented the Greeks, not the Bulgarians. I repeat, they represented the Greeks (and not Greece), i.e. Byzantium.
              Our church (as the guys from Bulgaria correctly write) uses the Church Slavonic language, which is also Slavic Bulgarian.
              As for the reproaches of ignorance of history - they can be mutual ad infinitum. So far, historians have not figured it out.
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      2. erg
        erg 13 October 2015 21: 15 New
        +2
        All the clinic. The inscriptions on the moonstones are serious. Can call on 03 before it's too late?
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 14 October 2015 10: 11 New
          0
          erg
          when you don’t know who you are and your Children and Baba, Aryan Maidans are obtained!
  10. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 13 October 2015 11: 01 New
    -1
    The article is true and thorough, but still it was not necessary to put the little brothers in quotation marks.
  11. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 13 October 2015 11: 16 New
    0
    they were little brothers when the Turks put their cancer! But in general, the Bulgarians are the same Asians from the steppes. Sales faces.
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 October 2015 11: 32 New
    +5
    Here they are the current "brothers".
    "Prime Minister of Bulgaria: Russian energy projects in the country were stopped in favor of the United States."
    Russian energy projects in Bulgaria - the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline, the Belene nuclear power plant and the South Stream gas pipeline - have been halted in favor of the United States. This was announced today at a conference of the American Chamber of Commerce by the Prime Minister of Bulgaria Boyko Borisov.
    “We have recognized the military wing of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, we have stopped the three largest Russian projects, we are stopping Russian aircraft over the sea,” the Bulgarian prime minister said. In his opinion, when there are problems, Bulgaria and the United States should be together. "Together we are one whole, we are friends and that is why I can speak to you in this way," he added at a meeting with American diplomats and businessmen. Http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/296103-premer -bolgarii-energop
    roekty-rf-v-strane-byli-ostanovleny-v-polzu-ssha.html
    1. but still
      but still 14 October 2015 02: 38 New
      -2
      But you don’t see that in this very speech Boyko (whatever he was) is scolded by the Americans - he also criticized the offer of the American Westinghouse for construction in Belem, declared the need to cancel American visas for Bulgarian business, etc. etc.? Ordinary political speeches - bidding! Especially on the verge of local elections. And so it is - since Russian projects were stopped, this was in the hands of the United States, of course.
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 11: 27 New
        +1
        They don't see and don't know much. For that they do not understand. Surprisingly, even most of the Russian media give a very perverse picture of events! A painting that "works" in practice against Russia itself! The question arises: How are the "Russian" media outlets Russian?
        1. but still
          but still 15 October 2015 16: 20 New
          +1
          This is true, but I do not believe in the "bad media" and the "good father of the king" who is let down by the media. All this is controlled from above. Above, however, sets the tone for the media. It's just that they have recently adopted such a method of influencing Bulgaria at the top - they use WHIP against us, or they play a BAD policeman. And to our neighbors they use Gingerbread, or they play the role of a GOOD policeman. All these are games, but, in my opinion, wrong ones - they lead to negative results both for Russia and for Bulgaria. The methods of the so-called SOFT POWER would be better applied - there would be an effect, I think - there are different exhibitions in the cultural sphere, educational programs, etc.
  13. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 October 2015 11: 55 New
    +2
    There is nowhere to put a sample on these "brothers". Exactly the same "brothers Slavs" as the Poles and now - the Ukrainians.
  14. alovrov
    alovrov 13 October 2015 12: 45 New
    -1
    Bulgarians are ordinary political prostitutes, from the very moment of their liberation from the Turks, who used every possible means to cheat Russia. And they will continue to do so, as Dostoevsky exhaustively wrote about. For example, at present, it is through the Bulgarians that the gray deliveries of weapons to the Bandera people go, who are killing the Russian people in Novorossia with these American and Soviet weapons. Bulgarians have been guilty of the murders of Russians and Serbs throughout their worthless, idle history. But Russia received, I hope, historical immunity from the release of this kind of idiot "brothers".
    1. but still
      but still 14 October 2015 03: 02 New
      0
      Well, too emotional. New Russia, and also the Serbs in their outpouring weaved ... Are you a Serb? In vain you are like that - with Serbia, relations with Bulgaria today are more than good. At the household level, Serbs are quite friendly towards the Bulgarians (the experience of transit through Serbia with Bulgarian numbers :)) And as for Russia - this is how it seeks its interests - in the so-called information war, too. And you read Leonid Reshetnikov what he says about Bulgaria. By the way, he recently gave an interview about Greece, but said a few words about Bulgaria - they say, Bulgaria is very important for Russia. And the USA is very important ... Yes, by the way, last week the former Minister of Culture of Russia came to Bulgaria, now an adviser to the president, so they agreed on showing the Bulgarian Thracian gold treasures in the Hermitage ... It’s strange against the background of information war, isn't it?
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 11: 31 New
        +2
        After Macedonia gained independence and became a separate state in the 90, all disputed questions have disappeared between Bulgaria and Serbia! There are minor problems, but the foundation has already been created on the normalization of relations and they are becoming more and more friendly every day! I personally consider the Serbs as the ethnically, linguistically, and culturally close people themselves. There is no reason for us to argue with him. At the household level, as already said, there are absolutely no problems between our peoples.
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 October 2015 16: 45 New
    +2
    Russia logically paid for following illusions. Having created an INDEPENDENT state from scratch, what else could you expect? Independent, that is, free in their actions, and at the same time all the rulers who got a freebie, what else could they do? Of course - they tried to grab even more!
    Give the person something for nothing and you will wait for a cry - give more! And do not give - and you are already an enemy for life. Creating a full-fledged state of the Bulgarians was an amazing stupidity. It was necessary to form a colony at least. Or even try to include something like that in the Empire. Didn’t it? There was nothing to try!
    If the tsarist government had been more pragmatic, perhaps the First World War in the form in which we received it would not have existed. Well, so we created and fed the parasite. Vile, ungrateful, greedy and shameless. Yes, brothers-sisters ... "Protect me, Lord, from friends. I can handle the enemies myself ..."
    1. but still
      but still 14 October 2015 03: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Having created an INDEPENDENT state from scratch


      Not independent (1908), and not empty. And the place is empty, judging by the interruptions, someone has a cap.
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 11: 44 New
        +1
        Michael 3, probably does not know that Bulgaria, from its creation in 681 and in the following centuries, was a very advanced cultural, military and economic state. And UTB at a time when Kievan Rus did not exist. He probably has no idea that in the early Middle Ages Bulgaria was the center of the Slavic culture and writing, and from Bulgaria it spread to the East Slavic lands. Most likely, he does not assume that Bulgaria was the first to accept Orthodoxy from all Slavic states. Of course, he does not know that in the Orthodox church and churches of All Russia, the Lord is still preached and glorified in the Slavic Bulgarian language - the first bookly documented Slavic language! Mikhail 3 does not know that the Bulgarian people have been living in the Balkans for 1300 years! What can I say ... Ignorance is his great sin!
        1. but still
          but still 15 October 2015 16: 27 New
          +1
          That's it ... Let Michael revered not the Bulgarian authors, but his own, Russian - academician Dmitry Sergeyevich Likhachev, for example.
  16. bubnila-70
    bubnila-70 13 October 2015 18: 32 New
    +1
    ... THERE IS UNCLE AS AUNS
    THERE ARE AUNS AS UNCLE
    THERE IS BL @ DI AS PEOPLE
    THERE ARE PEOPLE AS BL @ DI ..........
    the last line about the Bulgarian political elite from 1878 to the present time ....... with
  17. Denis DV
    Denis DV 13 October 2015 18: 35 New
    +2
    An example of what happens when pro-Western forces like the Parnassos and other evil spirits take control of the country.
  18. pytar
    pytar 13 October 2015 18: 49 New
    +4
    This post is far from commonplace. Contains a bunch of factual inaccuracies. Complete confusion about CAUSE and EFFECT! The author often changes their locations. Whether due to ignorance or intentionally, I cannot judge. For a long time I am going to write a article on these events. Maybe it's time. But I don’t know if such work is worth it before the audience, which is not interested in the TRUTH! Anti-Bulgarian propaganda has long been carried out in Russia, for which our common enemies stand. It is enough to look at all the crazy comments and expletives of the kids that do not fit into the head of a normal person who knows history. A year ago, the intensity of anti-Russian and, accordingly, anti-Ukrainian sentiments in your societies was amazed. I'm not surprised anymore. Russians and Ukrainians are essentially one people. Both those and those "sacredly" believe in their innocence and spit on one another. Not only Ukrainians, but also many Russians fell under the "zombie" organized by Western centers for psychological struggle. This is how the West managed to dispel fierce hatred between the representatives of one people! For many years they have been trying to do the same with the Bulgarian people. But the Bulgarian people are very conservative. He does not believe either the media around the clock pouring mud from Russia, or the politicians, who in Bulgaria are a symbol of corruption and falsehood. The West realized that this would not work out and, through its structures / the fifth column /, began active propaganda against Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people from within Russian society. I see that a noticeable result has been achieved. Not good for either Bulgarians or Russians. Sooner or later, the lie will be exposed and you will be ashamed of the Bulgarophobes, or maybe not ... After all, it’s not so difficult to find true information and find out how and what really happened.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 13 October 2015 20: 43 New
      -1
      Not for the benefit of either the Bulgarians or the Russians. ,,
      excuse me, pytar, but we love to appreciate matters. But you yourself know, not so hot. We know that you take care of the monuments of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, but that we have the bottom line. Your state, I emphasize the STATE, has constantly turned out to be the enemy of Russia The exception is the time UNION. The people of Bulgaria have always treated Russia well, but the rulers are like inveterate Russophobes. So do not be offended. Maybe time will pass and things will get better.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 October 2015 23: 45 New
        +1
        You do not ask yourself a question, why does it happen that your friends so often turn into enemies or become, so to speak, neutral? After all, it cannot be that everyone is bad, but only you are good? So ... Until you understand that in many ways you yourself create enemies, nothing good will happen for you. You will continue to "produce" enemies for yourself and you will continue to reproach and scold them for betrayal and for all sorts of sins! And one more very important thing you need to understand! Russia has been a very influential country throughout its history. And no matter how you have been told, Russia has not always influenced its friends positively. You made many mistakes and frankly bad things, even though for the Bulgarians you were and will be brothers. It is very difficult for Russians to understand that they are not always right! That there are others who can also be right! And not always your allies who you defended were right! You can not change the place with CAUSE and EFFECT! Ksati so-called. "Exception time UNION" is half a century. And we did not destroy the USSR, CMEA, OVD! You, your traitors, have ruined it! They betrayed their country and their allies, among whom Bulgaria was the most loyal ally! I don't know if you understand what I mean, but believe me, I am writing with great respect for Russians and Russia.
    2. Pancho
      Pancho 13 October 2015 22: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      For many years they have been trying to do so with the Bulgarian people. But the Bulgarian people are very conservative. He doesn’t believe the media around the clock pouring dirt on Russia, nor the politicians who in Bulgaria are a symbol of corruption and falsehood. The West realized that this would not work out and through its structures / fifth column / began active propaganda against Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people from within Russian society. I see that a noticeable result has been achieved.

      The Bulgarians do not believe, but they choose those who are spoiling Russia and it turns out that we are fools that we believe that the Bulgarians are betraying us.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 October 2015 23: 53 New
        +3
        You live in some fictitious world! A parallel universe is somehow! what What choice are you writing about ??? Do you seriously believe that there is such a thing as democracy and free choice? Maybe somewhere there, but in Bulgaria this is not even a wake. Bulgaria, after the collapse of the USSR, was among the defeated states. The country was in fact occupied and very strictly controlled from the outside. As well as through what methods, there is no place to ban. Just once again I repeat - Russia left Eastern Europe and the United States immediately entered its place! In nature, an empty place does not remain for a long time. The law of nature. Yes, they wouldn’t leave, no Yankees would have hosted us. And driving them out of here will be sooo hard.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 15 October 2015 01: 02 New
          +1
          We are of course very guilty before you that the United States came to you. This is a very interesting passage.
          ---------------
          As for your historical references, I read them with interest. I think you are forgetting that the term "Greeks" in the 6-10th centuries. AD implies not only Greece, but also Byzantium.
          I would like to know if you have read "Jagfar Tarihi"?
          Here is an excerpt -
          The Khazars helped Bat-Boyan and defeated Asparuh. Asparuh fled with a part of his Bulgars to his uncle in Kiev, and after the death of Shambat in 672 he left first to Kashan (Moldova), and then to the Danube. In the Bulgarian Danube region, in 681, he proclaimed his own Bulgarian state, the name of which is written (to distinguish it from the main Bulgarian state) in the form 'Bulgaria' or 'Danube Bulgaria'. Bulgar Asparukh is also called in science 'Bulgarians' - to distinguish it from the bulk of Bulgars. Bulgarian tsar Barys (Boris) in the 9th century adopted Orthodox Christianity and introduced in Bulgaria, instead of the Turkic-Bulgarian language, the language of the local Slavic population subject to the Bulgarians, since the Bulgarian Slavs had long been Orthodox Christians and helped Barys in his struggle with relatives - rivals.
          1. pytar
            pytar 15 October 2015 10: 35 New
            +2
            Turkir, I respect your opinion, as there is a desire for impartiality in it. There is still some difference. I will give a few explanations: 1. I do not think Russia is to blame for the fact that the Yankees settled in all of Eastern Europe and in half of the countries of the former USSR. But you must agree that the United States would never have been able to enter there with its dirty feet if the USSR had not disintegrated and abandoned its zone of influence! 2. Byzantium was a multinational empire. In it, the Greeks were a minority. But you are right to say that they occupied a very important place in the empire and Greek was the official language in the Byzantine Empire. For that, and under the Byzantines, the Greeks were often mocked, although for example the Armenians were no less in population. 3. I have read many materials, interesting in my opinion, on the origin and history of the Proto-Bulgarians. I must say that there are a lot of controversies on these issues and the topic is still insufficiently studied. We are waiting for new discoveries and more clarity from scientists. But it has already been categorically clarified that the Proto-Bulgarians are not a Turkic people and have nothing in common with the Turks. Neither genetic affinity nor linguistic affinity. So the "Turkic-Bulgar language" does not exist. The Turkic language was adopted by the Bulgarians on the Volga later, when the Danube Bulgaria already existed. The great Bulgarians of Asparukh who came to the Bolkans did not speak the Turkic language. Ksati not only Asparukh, but also his brother Kuber settled at the same time on the Bolkans. Kuber settled in Macedonia, so that the "Macedonians" are completely genetically identical with the Bulgarians, which is confirmed by gene tests. And in Macedonia and modern Bulgaria, the people were formed from the displacement of the Slavs, Pro-Bulgarians and Thracians. There is historical evidence / but I can remember the source / that indicates that "... the Bulgarians, conquering a nation, did not put it below themselves but made it equal to themselves! And since the conquered peoples were often more numerous than the Bulgarians, they / Bulgarians / adopted the language of that people. " It is clear that sometimes the Proto-Bulgarians, who conquered and adopted his language, sometimes entered into an alliance with more numerous peoples, such as with the Slavs on the Bolkan Peninsula, and sometimes the Proto-Bulgarians themselves were conquered by foreign peoples and perceived the language of the winners. Interestingly, in the modern Bulgarian language, linguists also find Sumerian words, which were probably introduced from the Proto-Bulgarians. I recently read about this phenomenon.
    3. but still
      but still 14 October 2015 03: 21 New
      +1
      I completely agree with your opinion, but nevertheless, I believe that, against the background of frankly Bulgarian-phobic articles, this one is most likely Bulgarian-philosophical. Therefore, in the comments there were rabid sputtering commentators.
  19. moskowit
    moskowit 13 October 2015 19: 57 New
    +5
    For some reason, the Author did not dare to talk about Russian volunteers who fought on the side of Bulgaria in the first Balkan War. Maybe I decided to write a separate article on this topic? If not, I urge you to consider the proposal ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 October 2015 20: 13 New
      +1
      The author has missed a lot! But for some reason the author did not ask the most important question, the answer to which puts everything in its place! It can be seen because the answer would have flipped the whole thesis constructed in the static. And the question is simple! WHERE, FOR WHICH LANDS AND TERRITORIES THE BOLKAN COUNTRIES DISPUTED? WHO LIVED ON THEM AND WHO BELONGED TO AGREEMENTS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE IN 1878? And historical documents, maps, contracts, answer children questions UNIVERSAL! All disputes between Bulgaria and its neighbors were fought on the territories populated by the overwhelming majority of the BULGARIANS! The territories in which the Bulgarians lived for almost 1300 years! This is the land on the Bolkans, which was called the BULGARIAN LAND! This is the very Bulgarian Homeland, on which the Bulgarian kingdoms existed centuries before and within the same borders! This is the very territory to which, back in 1870 after the PLEBISCITA, from the Ottoman sultate of Germany, the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy was territorially isolated and recognized! The people themselves living on the land of the earth SELF DETERMINED WHAT HE! BULGARIAN PEOPLE! This is, again, the territory that, within the same borders, was FREEDOM by Russia and into which, by the Sanstefan peace treaty, Bulgaria was created! 4 months later, under the terms of the unfair Berlin treaty, 3 / 4 of these Bulgarian lands were returned to Ottoman history! Bulgaria remained under-liberated and ALL of the following actions of the Bulgarian rulers, reinforced by the wishes of the Bulgarian people, were aimed at RELEASING THE BULGARIAN LAND AND THAT PART OF THE BULGARIAN PEOPLE REMAINING UNDERGROUND OR PAYMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, AFTER THE END OF TIME. Remember and make yourself big! For BULGARIA WWII WAS A SACRED JUST FREEDOM WAR! We didn’t occupy and conquer such strange lands and peoples! OUR RELEASED! War of liberation, not war!
      1. but still
        but still 14 October 2015 03: 31 New
        0
        Respect to Peter! The author casually and cautiously writes about "historical Bulgarian lands". Peter correctly explained what is really behind this.
      2. bubnila-70
        bubnila-70 14 October 2015 10: 13 New
        0
        well, you’ll fill it with the GREEKS. that Thrace is originally BULGARIAN LAND ....
        1. pytar
          pytar 14 October 2015 12: 48 New
          +2
          Do you know where Thrace is located ??? Have you ever looked at the map of the Balkans ??? You obviously have no idea that Bulgaria will consist of three regions - Misia, Thrace and Macedonia! 1300 years old! What is Greece here ?! Where did he decide that Greece is related to Thrace and the Thracians? The present Bulgarian people themselves are a mixture of three ethnic groups - Slavs, Prabolgars and Thracians! Unified and created the state for centuries, which is one of the centers of medieval culture and writing. Greeks, it's Greeks. They have nothing in common.
          1. bubnila-70
            bubnila-70 14 October 2015 16: 03 New
            +1
            no need to "poke" me, we did not drink at the brotherhood "Slynchev Bryag".
            Better tell us where the Probolgars came to the Balkans - are you talking about the Turks from the North Caucasus ?, Central Asia? or Altai?
            1. pytar
              pytar 14 October 2015 17: 26 New
              +2
              Tobish, netobish ... but you are very wrong! Genetics unambiguously indicates that the Proto-Bulgarians are not a Turkic people. And they have nothing to do with the Turkic peoples. The origin of the pro-Bulgarians has not yet been sufficiently studied. The most probable hypothesis indicates that they have an Iranian-Aryan origin. So, "mumbled", take a closer look at the horse ... wink
              1. bubnila-70
                bubnila-70 15 October 2015 17: 46 New
                0
                it be you more closely after your shnyaga ...
                Chuvashs are direct descendants of the Volga Bulgars speak TURKSKOM, and all speculation about the Indo-Iranian origin sample (y) lgar no more. Than speculation ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 15 October 2015 18: 26 New
                  +1
                  Good advice, but not at the address. bully And Shas on the topic: I Ksati, I think they will listen to the scientists, and not to your assumptions. So scientists have long established that the language does not always "certify" the origin. Take one Russian child, put him to live and be brought up in a German family, for example, and he will only know the German language. The Chuvashs can be direct descendants of the Volga Bulgars, while not being a Turkic people by their origin, despite the fact that Shas speak a Turkic dialect. Examples of such in the world abound! The point in the debate about the alleged Turkic origin of the Proto-Bulgarians was the last and most fraudulent study of the genetics of the present European peoples along the line of the EU, carried out over the past 4 years. It is unequivocally established that the modern Bulgarian people are Slavic, but with significant Proto-Bulgarian and Thracian influence. And as for the Proto-Bulgarian component, it has been unequivocally established that it has nothing in common with the Turks! Moreover, it has been established that in modern Bulgarians, there is no Turkish influence in terms of genetics. A fact that may seem strange in view of the 5th century Ottoman slavery, but the fact remains. Scientists explain it, with the fact that the Bulgarians did not create a mixed family with the Turks. Islam categorically prohibits such relationships. The Turks took forcibly Bulgarian boys for the Janichar corps and girls for the Harems, converting them to Islam at first, but the opposite did not happen. When there were rapes, Bulgarians preferred suicide or miscarriage before giving birth to a "filthy" conceived child. What to do ... then the morals were cruel. Bulgarian folklore abounds with such themes.
  20. uncle
    uncle 13 October 2015 22: 30 New
    0
    This is an anti-Bulgarian article! Why? It’s good that this is not the opinion of most people.
  21. Jmbg
    Jmbg 13 October 2015 23: 15 New
    +1
    Aposkep village, Kostur region. From there came the race of my mother. The Greeks killed everyone. Grandfather died whilst evacuating, grandmother managed to escape with the children. According to Russians, Bulgaria can’t protect the Bulgarian population if UTB is not satisfied with Russian interests? There was only one policy for both Serbs and Greeks - the total cutting of Bulgarians from all territories.
    1. pytar
      pytar 13 October 2015 23: 42 New
      +3
      My maternal relatives are from Vardar Macedonia. Refugees During WWII in 41, my relative, already a part of the Bulgarian army, entered Macedonia. He visited his native hut, or rather what was left of her. People showed him where the bones of his grandfather and grandmother that the Serbs killed were buried. They were killed because the Bulgarians were considered and did not abandon their Family and Homeland. Yes, a third of the population of present-day Bulgaria are refugees from these regions!
      1. slovak
        slovak 14 October 2015 16: 24 New
        +1
        Pytar
        how many Bulgarians killed the Serbs and when was it? During the Second Balkan War? Were these soldiers soldiers?
    2. slovak
      slovak 14 October 2015 16: 18 New
      0
      How many Bulgarians were killed by the Greeks and when was it? During the Second Balkan War? Were the Greeks soldiers?
      1. Jmbg
        Jmbg 14 October 2015 23: 41 New
        +1
        ELAS. All ...
      2. Jmbg
        Jmbg 15 October 2015 00: 22 New
        +1
        1913 Greek Army
        1. but still
          but still 15 October 2015 16: 41 New
          +2
          Horror and barbarism. My great-grandfather Vasil was about two years in Greek captivity - he returned lame and sick. He probably survived because he knew how to weave furniture from a vine and knew gardening - after captivity he served as a gardener in the palace of Ferdinand.
  22. serg2108
    serg2108 13 October 2015 23: 53 New
    +2
    it’s time to forget about them for a long time, let them live as they want, discussion on the topic of brothers .. sisters, etc., has long become an anochronism. It's time to think about and teach history about yourself .... so as to continue to avoid forgiveness in foreign policy in damage to themselves and their people, and even more so to their interests !!!!!
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 10: 07 New
      +2
      Our peoples have a brotherhood. It is alive at the household level and will be alive! Created for centuries! But politicians are led from completely different considerations! Interesting / how they understand them /, first of all! Russia of the 3 century wages wars with the Ottomans in order to get to the Straits! As a result of these wars, almost all Balkan peoples are directly or indirectly free. Not from altruism is Russian politics, but from interests! When interests coincide with noble goals, then wars are fair! Russia has many such wars, and that in 1878, one of them. For that, and we consider our Russian brothers. For us, it was a saving war. Bulgaria’s participation in the WWI is for us a continuation of the Liberation War that Russia began in 1878! And I must say that the modern policy of Russia, very accurately reports Russian interests! These interests include having a friendly and strong Bulgaria at the Balkans! When it will be, I do not know. But there is no doubt that it will be so!
  23. but still
    but still 14 October 2015 01: 14 New
    -1
    A pleasant surprise - in general lines the article can be called objective. To the author - respect. I would also like the author to cover in more detail the events in Bulgaria of 1878-1908 - readers will understand how Russia, through its own policy, transferred its influence in Bulgaria to Western countries.
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 October 2015 09: 57 New
      +2
      They won’t light up anything ... Somehow the light turns out for them ... And this is because, Russian politics did a lot of stupid things from 1878 to 1915. When you read the history of our relations with an open mind, you are amazed how erroneously rooted the policies Russia led towards Bulgaria. Well, how will they admit it! Can not! From childhood they have been told in their heads that Russia is ALWAYS RIGHT and that its policy has always been fair! And such a biased attitude to the truth harms them more than enemies harm them. Bulgarian politics is also full of mistakes and obvious blunders. But we recognize it openly! In Bulgaria, a completely different attitude to these events! Much biased, much self-critical! Sometimes we come to confess guilt, which we do not have.
      1. victor
        victor 14 October 2015 18: 15 New
        +1
        Do you openly admit - you are the enemies of Russia ??? Or what is it self-critical about ... you {wrote with a small letter} ??? After all, even nassr..t brothers do not try to Russia - simple Bulgarians do not allow ... Hello Troll .
      2. but still
        but still 15 October 2015 16: 56 New
        +3
        Yes, they are driven into their heads from the diapers that they are the most-most. Of course, it hurts them themselves - they lose touch with reality. And we have been blamed for decades ... Usual political and historical manipulations. And they don’t like it when other countries re-write history ... They make fun of ancient Ukrainians, while Macedonism itself developed and supported it. They accuse the West of double standards, and they themselves also apply double standards. In general: ALL GOOD! laughing
        1. pytar
          pytar 15 October 2015 19: 06 New
          +2
          Right! In the top ten! good Because of some features of their mentality, they are always considered right, even if the facts are pricked and contradictory to their opinions! Here's how, for example, Ukrainians, who are essentially the same Russians and can’t understand in any way that they’re driving all kinds of nonsense into their heads! One people - the same mentality! You can’t argue with that! lol
    2. bubnila-70
      bubnila-70 14 October 2015 16: 58 New
      0
      RI could not simultaneously curtsy to both Serbs and Bulgarians. WAS TO CHOOSE ....
      but when our contemporaries justify the Bulgarians who fought against the RIA on the Romanian front in 1916 under the slogan "Down with the reactionary clique of G. Rasputin", you regret the loss by RUSSIA of 200 thousand of their sons who died for the liberation of these Izyaslavs ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 14 October 2015 20: 44 New
        +4
        "muttered", of course "forgot" to say that the "Romanian" front passed through the territory of Bulgaria until the Bulgarian army utterly defeated the Romanians and the Russians who came to their aid and threw everyone across the Danube. Gentlemen ... I am Russophile and I love Russia, but if you come to my house to kill me and my relatives, I will not give a damn what you ... Russians or Romanians, Turks or Serbs! I will defend myself and fight with all my might! As well as you would do if you are attacked in your house! So, stop mumbling!
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 14 October 2015 23: 19 New
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        200 000? Dear friend, I don’t know where you got this number from ... it's a myth! The Danube Rmiya in 1877 started out with 286 box and sabers! After 000 sightings, Plevna sent reinforcements and everything was exactly towards the end of the war in the Balkans. Russia had only 3 army! If you only lost 400, how many more were injured and killed due to illness etc.? This is not a war in 000 for God's sake ... I must say, to the fallen honor and glory, but do not scold your army, it did not fight so ineptly in 200-000!
        PP. Read the "History of the war in the Balkans" by the Russian genzhab, there are indications of the loss-number in memory: kill, died of injury and illness, froze in the Balkans 21 and a little more, wounded about 000 ...
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 14 October 2015 23: 23 New
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      Russia itself missed Bulgaria as far back as 1886, overthrew Prince Alexander I, then pressured Valdemar of Denmark the Bulgarians would refuse the stat and set some kind of Mingreli ... having sold their principality of Russia .... Of course, no person in Bulgaria agrees that a person sold his principality to become a Bulgarian monarch, and then came Ferdinanad ..
  24. uncle
    uncle 14 October 2015 18: 49 New
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    What did the Russian army do with the Romanians in Dobruzhu? Who was shelling Varna?
  25. pytar
    pytar 14 October 2015 20: 37 New
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    Quote: victor
    Do you openly admit - you are the enemies of Russia ??? Or what is it self-critical about ... you {wrote with a small letter} ??? After all, even nassr..t brothers do not try to Russia - simple Bulgarians do not allow ... Hello Troll .

    Trolls do not write like me. They write like you. Gryaznenko and provocatively. The facts do not interest them. Your goal is different ... Pour the feces of the enemy and cause this in response. You like to go unclean. In it you feel comfortable. Do not pass. Definitely! In Russia and Bulgaria, there are many more people than you think, who understand and know what is happening! We have already learned to recognize you! Trolls! No pasaran!
  26. pytar
    pytar 15 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    I tried here, briefly and clearly to explain the main reason for the entry of Bulgaria into WWI. The basis of everything is the fact that by 1914 the neighbors of Bulgaria held in occupation large territories inhabited for centuries with the overwhelming majority of the Bulgarian population. I will briefly mention the prehistory and the reasons that forced Bulgaria to make such a choice! Serbia entered the list of Bulgaria's enemies back in 1885, when it vilely attacked Bulgaria's back, while as soon as the newly created Bulgarian army stood at the border with Turkey, waiting for the invasion of the Turks. This was the first war between Bulgaria and Serbia, and in it the Serbs were indisputably aggressive. In this war, the Bulgarians utterly defeated the Serbs. Only the ultimatum of Austria-Hungary forced the Bulgarians to stop their advance towards Belgrade. During the Bolkan War in 1912-1913, while the Bulgarian army crushed the Turks and reached 30 km. from Constantinople, Serbia and Greece once again showed themselves not in the best side. Having concluded a secret treaty among themselves and in violation of the general union treaty, they occupied Macedonia, which did not wait for international arbitration in the resulting disputes. The jackal Romania, whose troops attacked encircled Bulgaria from the north across the Danube, also joined them. Ksati, until that moment in their entire history Bulgaria and Romania had never fought each other. Bleached and surrounded on all sides, Bulgaria was defeated, although even in such a catastrophic situation, the Bulgarian troops managed to beat the "allies" well. After this war called the Inter-Allied War (1913), Serbia, Greece and Romania occupied large territories, densely and for centuries inhabited with the Bulgarian population. Territories on which Bulgaria was created in 1878 after the Russian-Turkish War of Liberation under the Treaty of San Stefano between Turkey and RUSSIA! It is quite understandable that for Bulgaria the RELEASE of the spoiled part of the Bulgarian people has become the primary and basic national idea! For this, the Bulgarians, consider their entry into the First World War, is natural and call this war a JUST WAR OF LIBERATION! The Bulgarians did not set themselves any goals of conquest and did not have the task of conquering territories and lands unpopulated with the Bulgarian population. For that, Bulgaria did not accept Russia's proposal on compensation from Turkish territory if it enters the war on the side of the Entente. So, WWI for Bulgaria is really a just war!
  27. Vladimir 2017
    Vladimir 2017 18 November 2017 17: 53 New
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    sold trite.