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Non-classified materials - the moment of truth (Part of 2)

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People familiar with the theme of the Dyatlov Pass do not need to be convinced that the events there are mysterious and, after more than fifty years, they are practically not susceptible to investigation. The investigation materials, laid out in full in open access, cannot do anything to help; moreover, even a superficial acquaintance with these materials raises a lot of questions and even more confuses the search for truth.

To match the events on the pass, the consequence is also full of mysteries. These man-made riddles were suggested to us by specific people, investigators, it seems that they knew much more than was reflected in the materials of the investigation. To prove this, we will look for additional indirect data about events on the pass from the investigation process itself and eyewitness recollections.

Not only actual materials are eloquent, but also how they are presented in an official document. No less important is not the availability of the document, but its absence, much can clarify and discrepancies in the documents. So let's try to understand from this point of view what is being hidden from us. This is not an idle interest, in the context of the events, a veil of secrecy, the actual circumstances of the events on the Dyatlov Pass are hidden.

Retouching or tagging?

In the investigation materials there are photographs with obvious traces of retouching, these are not random “blots”, they have a clear logic, here’s a vivid example, two photographs from the investigation materials, Slobodin’s body was taken at different points of view:

Non-classified materials - the moment of truth (Part of 2)


In the pictures of the body a black rectangle is seen in the lumbar region, in both photos in the same place. That we won’t guess, we just state the fact, in the materials of the investigation there are photos with hidden areas on the clothes.

This is not the only example, there are photos with a more mysterious retouching, here are two photos of the body of Dubinina, photos appear to have been taken from the same negative, but they are different, see for yourself:



There is a dark spot on the body picture, in the lumbar region, this spot is reflected in the investigation materials, and in the examination report of the body it was stated that the damage on the back was made by the probe probe. So the spot in the picture is not an accidental defect.
And here is the second shot from the same negative:



In this picture from the same negative there is no damage to the back.
In the case of Slobodin’s body, we don’t know what is hidden under the retouching; in the case of Dubinina’s body, we know for sure that there was damage in this place (recorded in the body detection protocol).

As a hypothesis, knowing the investigator’s specific attitude towards investigating events on the pass, it can be assumed that the investigator did not conceal on these retouched sites, but on the contrary, drew attention to the places on the bodies, which could help to understand real events.

It is possible that the photos of the bodies of Slobodin and Dubinina were not intentionally retouched, these are marks of places to which the investigator had heightened attention, he marked them so that they called for “their own use”.

However, it is not the motive of the appearance of spots that is important, but the fact that there were areas under them requiring special attention when investigating what happened.

Conflicting documents

Already mentioned was the protocol of the inspection of the body of Dubinina at the scene, signed by the prosecutor Tempelov, here is an excerpt from it:

On the back of the head and on the back there are traces of damage by the probe from the words of Mr. V. Askinadze, who recognized Dubinin.

So, two injuries of Dubinina’s body are recorded in a protocol drawn up at the scene, but in the CourtMedExpertise Act, signed by the expert Reborn on the back and neck of the body, the injuries are not indicated at all.

It turns out that the Court MedExpert did not see what the prosecutor and the witnesses saw who signed the protocol. Why he chose not to notice these injuries can be explained only by one thing, I would have to describe them in order to point out that the damage on his back is a very specific intravital injury.

A bold statement, I do not argue, we need additional facts to translate it into the area of ​​the proven circumstances of Dubinina’s death, and they exist.
There is another photo of Dubinina’s body, which also confirms the presence of damage on the back, not only of the clothing, but also of the body itself, here it is, albeit of very poor quality:



In the photo, the body of Dubinina after extraction from the stream and drawing up an examination report, it is clear that the clothes are pulled up on the back in the area of ​​damage and there is a dark spot on the skin. Apparently this is a bruise, but then this damage is lifetime, the bruise of a search probe cannot form a bruise of a body that has lain for four months.

Next is Tibo's body, look at the characteristic bend of the hand, a notebook was clamped in it, but more on that later.

In addition to the damage to the body Dubinina there is evidence of an eyewitness, a search engine (student Askinadzi) who discovered the body Dubinina claimed that he damaged the body only in the neck, here are his words:

... ... These events were before lunch, and after I took one probe, and the rest watched (not because they did not want to work, but agreed, just to do, as in geology, a test pit). It was then that I hit the neck of Luda.

So it can be reasonably argued that the damage on Dubinina’s back was in his lifetime. But this is not enough to make the fact of the presence of lifetime damage on his back with secret information; on Dubinina’s body, several lifetime injuries incompatible with life were discovered; no one tried to hide them.

The only reason for the mystery in this particular case can only be the nature of a lifetime injury, either a knife (bayonet) channel or a bullet channel.

In this case, when the deliberate nature of Dubinina’s death became apparent, it made sense to conceal the fact of injury on his back.

Missing document

In the investigation materials there is no document describing the state of the last three bodies of tourists, in other words, the state of the three bodies is not fixed at the scene. This has already led to a lot of speculation about a camera and a notebook found on the bodies of Zolotaryov and Tibo.

First, we know about the notebook, from the words of the Askinadzi search engine, that a notebook and a pencil were found in the hands of the body with two clocks. At the time of extraction, this body was mistakenly identified as Zolotaryov’s body, but on the basis of the CourtMedExpertise act we know that two watches were on Nikolay Thibault’s hand. There is no reason to doubt the testimony of an eyewitness to the events, so there was a notebook, not only Zolotarev, but Tibo.

You can see it in this picture, the place is highlighted:



It can be seen that a dark rectangular object is clamped in the palm of the right hand (only the edge is visible), apparently this is the notorious notebook.
It was clear why the bodies were mistaken in identifying bodies at the scene of events, none of the search engines of the victims personally knew, the bodies were badly damaged and identification was made only on the basis of a verbal description.

The fate of this notebook is unknown, there is no official mention of it.

You can talk about the fifth camera by focusing on a photograph of the body taken from the stream, you can see camera toli on the chest, toli leather case from the camera. Here is this snapshot:



But in the act SudMedExpertiza Zolotarev body at this place indicated the presence of a protective mask, it is impossible to confuse a cloth mask with a camera, the picture is quite clear.

In the existence of the fifth camera, there is almost no doubt he was. Evidence of this is in the materials of the investigation, the fact is that officially four cameras were found in a tent. A month after the investigation was completed, the cameras and watches were handed over to the relatives of the victims, about which receipts were made.

There are documents for the transfer of four cameras to the relatives of the deceased tourists, these are Kolevatov, Slobodin, Zolotarev, Dyatlov.

But it is authentically known that another camera was with Nikolai Tibo, the investigator Ivanov returned only his watch to his relatives, but he did not return the camera, arguing that it had strong radiation.

This receipt, Tibo's camera is not mentioned in it, only hours and photos were transmitted:



So it can be argued that Zolotarev was discovered with a camera belonging to Nikolai Tibo, the fate of this physical evidence is unknown.

Let me remind you once again that there are no documents on the examination of the last three bodies in the investigation materials, although according to the Code of Criminal Procedure there must be such a document, and this was what the witness said:

... ..we saw it in a state of extreme tension and nervousness. Moreover, we saw them in a very short time. They pulled out of the stream, wrapped them in sleeping bags from sleeping bags and special bags that the pilots brought, signed the act quickly, and the corpses flew away.

Consequently, after extracting the last bodies, the protocol was signed, and this is not the document that was made by the prosecutor Tempelov, since it indicated that the last three bodies had not yet been extracted from the stream.

But this most important protocol for examining the last three bodies did not get into the investigation materials.

Official forgery

And now let's see how the above reasoning agrees with the official materials of the investigation, here is a selection of scans:





The first scan is a list of documents in the case, the 75 and 76 numbers indicate different documents, apparently the second document under the 76 number is the “lost” protocol for examining the last bodies, but instead it is inserted into the handwritten version of the document under the 75 number. As they say, comments are superfluous ...

And one more discrepancy, here's the decision to dismiss the case, which investigator Ivanov tried to “push through”, mentioning the radioactive contamination of things:



What remnants of Krivonishchenko’s trousers on Dubinina’s leg are we talking about? What we don't know yet?

According to the act SudMedExpertiza on the body Dubinina found:



And according to the protocol of the body survey at the place of detection at Dubinina, there were:



So there are three versions at once, on the leg of Dubinina there is a winding from Coedy trousers, a piece of jacket, a piece of sweater.

And this is all in the materials of one investigative case on the only but very important circumstance .... And besides this, on Dubinina’s body, on the spot where she found two toes on her left leg, the presence of a winding on her right leg was also indicated there.

And in the act of Sudmedekspertiza five socks and a winding on the left foot are indicated at once.

It is still possible to confuse the right foot with the left, but it is impossible to make a mistake with the number of socks, everyone can count to five. It means that after the removal of the body from the scene and before the official examination of the body by the medical examiner, the Reborn has at least stripped the body, but put it back on the wrong way and confused the socks.

There is no protocol for this unknown strip-dressing in the case file.

Lost Snapshot

There is another lost document, and it is also very important, the fact is that in the investigation materials there are no pictures of only one body at the place of detection, the Kolmogorov body. The picture was, it is known from the protocol, here is an excerpt:

Face in blood. On the back near the loins of the abrasion, bleed. It can be assumed that, according to the position of the body, Kolmogorov tried not to climb, uphill, but to stay in place. The corpse is photographed.

Of all the bodies found on the mountainside, it is Kolmogorov’s body that causes the most questions, because judging by the picture of her body in the morgue, and the verbal description in the protocol she died in a very characteristic pose, it is important to know how her body was located on the ground, this could clarify the cause of her death. The photograph must be “lost” in the investigation materials, but look, here is a snapshot from the archive of investigator Ivanov:



On the back of the picture there is an explanation that this is one of the bodies found on the slope, pictures on the area of ​​the bodies of Dyatlov and Slobodin are in the public domain, there is a completely different landscape. This means that Kolmogorova’s body was under retouching, there were no other bodies on the slope of the 1079 height.

Someone retouched the body, the original image itself is not in the public domain, but it can be seen that the retouching was already done on the scanned image (beyond the boundaries of the image) ...

Apparently this is the picture of Kolmogorov’s body, which is referred to in the protocol, but instead of the investigative folders, he ended up in the investigator’s personal archive.

It turns out that even now someone is trying to "whiten" this historywhy and who needs it, where did the original picture go, why did the investigator value them so much?

Mysterious pictures

There are two more shots that must be in the case file, but are in a private archive. These pictures are referenced by the investigation, justifying the installation time of the tent on the slope of height 1079, so that, according to the requirements of the Code of Criminal Procedure, they should be attached to the case file.

But they are not there, the same story as with a picture of Kolmogorov’s body, as a hypothesis, we can assume that these pictures were printed from negatives in several copies, those that were in the materials of the investigation "disappeared", and those that were kept by investigator Ivanov in the personal archive now we are studying.

Here are these mysterious pictures, it was made at intervals of no more than 10-15 seconds, from the same point, it is believed that the tourists on them clear a place under the tent at the last night.




Immediately test for intelligence, how many people can be counted in the pictures?

I counted seven people (marked with red markers); the three are clearly distinguishable, two skis in the background have changed position in these 10-15 seconds, so they are in the hands of two more people. One can see the hand of a man leaning on the snow near the backpack, and another hand with the ski stick in the background.

So, it turns out that seven people are clearing the slope, everything seems logical for the time being, seven men do the hard work, two girls stand by and shoot.

But then everything becomes incomprehensible, if you focus on the shadows, taking into account the time (evening), then this place should be located on the southwestern slope of the mountain.

But the tent is found on the northeast slope!


Here is an excerpt from the protocol:

The lodging place is located on the North-Eastern slope of the 1079 height in the headwaters of the Auspii River. The accommodation is located in 300 m. From the top of the mountain 1079 under the slope of the mountain 30 °.

So the place in the picture is not at all the place where the tent is found, besides this, the depth of the tent found by the search engines does not correspond to the hole that the tourists dug in the pictures, it has at least a meter of depth along the top edge.

Even focusing only on these two pictures, it can be said that the chronology of events was represented completely wrong by the result, there was at least one more night in the mountainous terrain, and it was the preparation for this night that was captured in the pictures.

Most likely because of a discrepancy in chronology and these photos were removed from the official materials of the investigation.

Tacit control


We will not blame investigator Ivanov for incompetence and the collapse of the case, quite the contrary, this person did everything he could to ensure that events on the pass were not forgotten, we should be grateful to him for having come so much factual material.

The investigator was “squeezed” by circumstances that significantly limited his capabilities and reduced his attempts to find the truth in the area of ​​punishable amateur performance. Ivanov later talked about the pressure from the party functionaries and the prosecution authorities.

In spite of this, he managed to leave references to “glowing balls” in the investigation materials, carried out radiological examination at the level of amateur performances, tried to “push” radiation information into the decision to close the investigation.

But there seemed to be another unofficial control, which Ivanov never mentioned. This control was “lit up” only once, the search engine Askinadzi speaks about the presence of absolutely extraneous silent and attentively examining the place of people on the examination procedure of the last bodies….

Only by influencing a consequence of some secret force (KGB?) Can one explain the contradictory behavior of the investigator, who, on the one hand, showed obvious diligence in clarifying all the circumstances of the case, and on the other hand, say, streamlined, showed “negligence” at the stage of finding the last four bodies.

There is the only explanation for the variability of Ivanov’s behavior, where he had the opportunity to work independently, what is called “digging” the land, but where he was tightly controlled, he defiantly became an “extra”, and even a stranger noticed this.

So, the camera Zolotarev, a notebook in the hands of Tibo, the protocols of the real state of the bodies at the site of the offensive and surely much more fell into the hands of very different people.

The conclusion for me will formulate the witness


The search for Askinadzi describes the general mood of the investigation in the person of Prosecutor Tempelov and Investigator Ivanov, here are excerpts from his memoirs:

... ... In my opinion, Ivanov to the flooring and did not fit. From a distance I looked at the fir-trees without tops and went to the corpses. By the way, I noticed that Ivanov did not record anything, did not photograph anything. It seems that he is not interested, and he knows in advance the cause of death and what will happen next.


And more:

... ... Today it is already known that, for example, Ivanov confused this matter more (not on his own will) than he investigated. I think that he was only a pawn, providing basic information for more serious organizations. It was they who had complete information, including closed channels.
I have already spoken about the prosecutor. He did not record anything and did not photograph anything. All of his conclusions - cabinet fiction.


Therefore, there is no protocol for examining the last three bodies, the fate of the camera from Zolotarev’s body and the notebook from the hands of Nikolai Tibo is unknown.

At the same time, this explains the discrepancies in the protocols regarding the damage on the body of Dubinina, and the retouching and disappearance of photos from the official folders of the investigation.

Cause of death


Now it is possible to speculate a little over these riddles of the investigation. The investigator was attracted by certain areas on the bodies of Dubinina and Slobodin, two bodies with clothing damaged on the back and an incomprehensible trauma to the body under this injury.

All this looks like an exit bullet hole, but there is no inlet ..., this does not happen, mystic, aliens ...

And then there is Tibo's body with a notebook in his hand and a fractured skull and without damaged skin over the break point, this does not happen, again mysticism, again aliens ...

And these incomprehensible radioactive stains on the clothes of tourists, also mystic and again aliens ...

Apparently because of these inexplicable facts, investigator Ivanov believed that the cause of the event on the pass was a UFO.

The investigation did not know about the existence of such “bullets”:



These "bullets" have a diameter of one and a half millimeters and fly at a speed of 1400m / sec; they are not even arrows, but needles.
In the USSR, similar bullets were developed, in 1960, there is even a copyright certificate N 22527 with priority from 1 June 1960. Here's what they looked like:



If such a needle enters the human body, then the inlet will be practically indistinguishable, the outlet will become noticeable only if the needle is braked in the body, then it will lose stability and break into pieces.

Apparently it was precisely such exit holes that the investigators found on the bodies of Dubinina and Slobodin, but could not identify them with the types of rifle guns known at that time. weapons.

It is no secret that high-speed ammunition is made from uranium, so that radioactive stains found on tourists' clothes have their own logical explanation.

Naturally, it was not these needles that were used, which in photographs, in events on the pass, a more advanced technology was involved, but their operating principle was just that - the miniature dimensions are very high speed, the uranium core.

It is even hard for specialists to believe that miniature needles weighing less than a gram can cause fatal injuries to a person. Out of habit, everyone associates the damaging factor of a bullet with mechanical damage to the body, but at speeds greater than 1400 m / s (maximum speed of sound propagation in the human body) the shock wave inside the body becomes the main damaging factor, in fact a person dies from a "shake" - a contusion.

In this case, the geometric dimensions of the "bullet" are absolutely not important, it is important that the bullet moves in the body at a speed higher than the speed of sound propagation.

Such a shock wave inside the body is capable of breaking bones and, oddly enough, it sounds, to stop a wristwatch ...

And one more peculiarity of this needle, no matter where it gets, even to the finger, a person will still receive a deadly contusion, the fact is that in liquid and solid bodies the shock wave is transmitted almost without weakening the entire volume of the body.

This is physics, as they say, “nothing personal” ...

But while the hypothesis is only about the assumption that a high-speed miniature bullet is used, the following material in this series of articles will be devoted to confirming this statement in more detail with the circumstances of each tourist’s death.
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Articles from this series:
Weapons from the pass. Lemon pit principle
Non-classified materials - the truth is somewhere nearby (Part of 1)
Non-classified materials - the moment of truth (Part of 2)
The dead don't lie
Unclassified materials. Theory of everything
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  1. engineer74
    engineer74 April 29 2013 08: 35 New
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    Thoughtful analysis on the one hand, and fantastic hypotheses again. It is not clear why to use exotic hypersonic uranium bullets for tourists, which have not been lit anywhere, either before or after. President D. Kennedy was killed by ordinary rifles and everyone is happy!
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum April 29 2013 08: 59 New
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      100500
      One thing is not clear to me, if the type was shot "bloody gebnya", why then this search? They would immediately cordon off the area, send their search engines, the corpses were carefully removed or buried. Then they said: "They didn’t find anything, they went missing." Total business. Few people disappear in the mountains.
      IMHO another far-fetched fantastic version.
    2. Maximars
      Maximars April 29 2013 11: 36 New
      +2
      I found a letter on the forum, supposedly a member of the search and rescue expedition.
      http://pereval1959.forum24.ru/?1-22-0-00000138-000-0-0-1363422321
    3. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 30 2013 06: 31 New
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      Not true . The driver shot him, with a completely different weapon, read William Cooper.
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 1 May 2013 21: 46 New
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        If circumstances do not have logical prerequisites for the natural causes of death, I mean: an avalanche, animals or a banal murder with a firearm.
        Behind the scenes, interest in the KGB investigation, and one of the people on the expedition indirectly involved in the KGB, this can be interpreted in two ways, either they are interested in the circumstances of the death of the secret officer, or he was on a mission that it was also of interest, or it was not a group of interest namely, the area or what was happening on it or there were objects that belong to the area of ​​responsibility of the KGB.
        I'm interested in the moment

        Based on the maximum level of contamination 9900 rasp. / Min. for 150 square meters cm of surface, the calculations show that the level of “sounding” of the sweater is only slightly higher than the natural background in Yekaterinburg - 10 - 18 μR / hour.

        It can be assumed that such an increase in radionuclide contamination is the result of atmospheric deposition from nuclear weapons tests at northern test sites. It is noteworthy that it was on the sweater that the maximum levels of pollution were found. Perhaps this is due to the rather high sorption properties of the material, which could absorb radioactive substances from melt water ".http: //nov.docdat.com/docs/index-22496.html? Page = 7

        If you do not look at other facts, then the KGB’s interest is already // radioactive materials with an increased background // here’s a private interest in the death of the group from the KGB, since at that time they were interested in everything related to radioactivity.
        it seems to me if you decompose each episode into a particular one and then put it together, the targeted KGB interest in the case can already be traced.
        But I can’t do that, too much information.
        Since the facts are few and the majority are only indirect or personal impressions.
        I have 3 versions.
        Conspirological, the KGB knew everything or was aware of something, and observed or had an observer in the group - the only question is what were they looking for / studying?
        2 options follow from this, the Group went for reconnaissance, possibly without knowing it, or knew but did not understand the consequences.
        The second version, the group was in the wrong place at the wrong time, they either had information about its presence or it was received in the process, I am basing this on the start date of the case.
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 1 May 2013 22: 12 New
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          Here is another episode, in addition to the frame, there was an extraneous mention of the fire, as a result of which the authorities could have opened a case about the fires, but later included the death of the group and transferred the materials to the police, removing some details from them.
          This is a possible reason why the date of the case is precisely this, and not upon the fact of finding the bodies.
          If 1 moment that bothers me, why they weren’t found by the KGB and so late.
          Although their route was fairly well known.
          Either nothing was known about the group until they were found, and the KGB was only interested in the circumstances of the death and a possible connection with the events in the area.
          By the way, if anyone is in the know, let’s correct, we don’t use arrow-shaped ammunition, although there are test developments, but I recall that somewhere the army of democrats (USA) dabbled in such ammunition, I would like to comment on this issue.
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 08: 35 New
    +1
    it is necessary to raise the archives of the USSR Ministry of Defense - whether any tests of any weapons were carried out in this area at this point in time.
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 29 2013 08: 40 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the interesting “material for reflection”
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2013 14: 47 New
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      [quote = svp67] Thanks to the author for the interesting "material for reflection"
      Thanks of course, but the author made inaccuracies!
      The fifth photo camera was issued to relatives in a month, in fact it is !!
      That is, the fate of the 5th photo camera is known!
  4. smart ass
    smart ass April 29 2013 08: 42 New
    +9
    I read to the end ... and at the end bam !! NEEDLES !!!!!!!! Ahahahaa
  5. ATATA
    ATATA April 29 2013 08: 51 New
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    I read a lot on the Internet, probably everything that can be found on this incident on the network.
    And he came to the conclusion that if you do not look for a black cat in a dark room, then everything is understandable.
    Avalanche.
    But there was a much more mysterious case with geologists in Yakutia, it seems in the late 70s.
    There are much more questions and there is not much information on the network, practically none.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 09: 11 New
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      Quote: ATATA
      And he came to the conclusion that if you do not look for a black cat in a dark room, then everything is understandable.
      Avalanche.

      You won’t run away from the avalanche, and why the tent would remain in place, if it weren’t the avalanche itself, then it would be blown up or torn apart, at least through the slot ... No avalanche is not suitable ... So the truth is somewhere nearby ... .
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 29 2013 09: 19 New
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        Quote: svp67
        You won’t run away from the avalanche, and why the tent would remain in place, if it weren’t the avalanche itself, then it would be blown up or torn apart, at least through the slot ... No avalanche is not suitable ... So the truth is somewhere nearby ... .

        An avalanche passed by. maybe not even an avalanche, but a slippage of snow cover. And people in the dark, in a panic, rushed out. And do not forget that about with all their preparation, they were lovers, not professionals.
        The tent is dark, at the exit of a traffic jam, you need to quickly run out. He waved his knife and run, after him all the rest into the light.
        1. Parabelum
          Parabelum April 29 2013 09: 27 New
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          The depth of snow (1,2 - 2 meters) allowed the Dyatlovites to put up a tent on a slope: the width of the tent was about 2 m. At the same time, the digging of the snow layer (cutting the snow layer so that the tent stood flat), apparently, was performed to the entire or almost the entire depth, - This caused stress of the mass of snow lying above the tent. This layer has lost support on the underlying snow layer. Additional load on the snow layer lying above the tent could have arisen a little later due to fresh snow.
          In this case, there could be wasps — a landslide due to clipping of the slope above the tent, a “spool” as a result of the collapse of the cornice (such collapses were observed by I. Popov [6] on the slopes of this mountain more than once) or a small but fast “snow ”An avalanche of loose fresh snow accumulated on a slope above the tent. Starting with the “wasp”, we nevertheless came to the conclusion that, most likely, there was either a “reel” from the collapse of the cornice, or a quick “snow-covered” avalanche of fresh snow — these avalanche formations could leave a faint trace, which 3 weeks so covered with snow and leveled by the wind that the search engines did not notice him. There was a “limited power avalanche”
          1. Prometey
            Prometey April 29 2013 09: 43 New
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            Quote: Parabelum
            Parabelum

            A landslide will not cause such "strange" damage to the body, without damaging the limbs - where are the dislocations, fractures?
            1. Parabelum
              Parabelum April 29 2013 10: 02 New
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              Which are weird? Fractures of the ribs, injuries, by the way, are generally characteristic of an avalanche:
              Several participants were crushed, - Kolya Thibault-Brignoles suffered the most, - he received a fracture and an indentation of the temporal bone, - apparently, due to the concentration of the load on the head while resting it on a hard object (the camera, as Axelrod believes). Lyusya Dubinina, received a two-sided fracture of the ribs, also, possibly due to concentration of the load through the tent fabric and the ski stick or the ski (which the tent rested on) littered with landslide. Zolotarev received a one-sided fracture of the ribs. Slobodin received a head injury (a crack in his skull was found). At first, we believed that the skull injury of Thibault-Brignoles could have occurred later, on the descent during falls and bumps. But with a closer examination of the nature of the injury, it became clear that it could hardly have arisen as a result of an impact during a fall or as a result of an impact of a fragment. In these cases, there would have been obvious damage to the soft tissues, but they, according to the forensic expert (in his answers to the investigator's questions), were not. It can be assumed, of course, that such a trauma could occur if you fall and hit your head through the cap, but the presence of a shock-absorbing cap on the cap makes such trauma extremely unlikely. Moreover, the steepness of the slope on the slope was small (only 15 ° below the tent, and then even less), and the snow thickness was significant that year. Such a local injury could not have arisen under the influence of an air wave of the explosion: the wave of the explosion could flatten the whole head, but not one temporal bone. Slobodin's cranial injury could also have occurred during uneven freezing of the head (due to thermal stresses in the skull). Some damage could occur when trying to get rid of the blockage.
              1. Prometey
                Prometey April 29 2013 10: 08 New
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                Quote: Parabelum
                Several participants were crushed,

                So, but how did they end up 1 km from the ravine with these injuries? Dubinina and Thibault had injuries incompatible with life, i.e. with such injuries do not move on their own. Although the investigation said that everyone on their feet left the tent.
              2. Kushadasov
                Kushadasov April 29 2013 13: 51 New
                +1
                The whole mosaic is taking shape. One thing is not clear. The medical examiner rated Dubinina’s injuries as fatal and violent. It is surprising how she could move even with reliance on her comrades. Or all the same, they brought her already dead down ... There are uncertainties in these details, and there is no doubt that the elements killed the tourists.
                1. Prometey
                  Prometey April 29 2013 18: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kushadasov
                  The medical examiner rated Dubinina’s injuries as fatal and violent. It is surprising how she could move even with reliance on her comrades.

                  They wrote on some forum that the position of the body at the time of its discovery indicated that she had died where she fell back on her knees. And what is the position of the body can accept only when a person quickly found his death.
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 29 2013 14: 49 New
                +1
                Alexey!
                But what about the fact that people died at different times, ran, climbed a tree ??
              4. b0bi
                b0bi 21 May 2013 14: 17 New
                0
                If there was an avalanche, then experienced tourists would leave from it not down but to the side. And what's the point of sitting down a few hours after the avalanche and being afraid to return to the tent? And there are a lot of similar problems with the avalanche. At least take the pose and distance from the tent in which the majority died. The avalanche version, in my opinion, is the most ridiculous.
            2. Begemot
              Begemot April 29 2013 13: 22 New
              +2
              very likely, in 2000- on 14 snowmobiles we went hiking 70 km, halfway the leader and the second got stuck in a ravine, meters 20 in depth, slopes along 30-40 degrees. They tied 4 ropes, threw them down, tied three snowmobiles with a “train” and began to pull. The rope lay unevenly and cut off a snow cornice measuring 2,5X1,5 meters when pulling, the guys below were pushing a snowmobile, they did not see a piece of the cornice flying at them, they did not hear screams when the engine was running. One at the last moment raised his head, managed to dodge a little. As a result: one has a compression fracture of the spine, fractures of the hands, dislocation of the joints, rupture of ligaments, and the second has a fracture of the clavicle and dislocation. Only snowmobile armored suits and helmets saved from death. So the version of the avalanche and the subsequent freezing are most likely.
              And I held such bullets in my hands, they were not in service in any structure of the USSR. The version of the murder does not hold water. In the event of a murder, they should not have been found at all.
              1. Prometey
                Prometey April 29 2013 18: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Begemot
                As a result: one has a compression fracture of the spine, fractures of the hands, dislocation of the joints, rupture of ligaments, and the second has a fracture of the clavicle and dislocation.

                That is, when a certain mass is exposed to a person, dislocations and fractures of joints and bones are inevitable. And here - ribs are broken, the skull is broken, chest injuries, but the arms and legs are intact!
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 29 2013 09: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Parabelum
            There was a “limited power avalanche”
            Which left in place and did not touch the tent and did not prevent them from trying to go back ... somehow everything is "pulled"
            1. Parabelum
              Parabelum April 29 2013 09: 53 New
              0
              A line from the radiogram of the search engines: “Things are taken from a depth of up to 2,3 m ...” speaks not only about the depth of snow when setting up the tent, but also about what layer of snow the tent “buried” with an avalanche. Perhaps, immediately after the avalanche, this layer was not 2,3 m (at maximum depth), but even more, and part of the snow was later blown away by the wind. And before the avalanche descended, the snow layer was thinner. Rescuers who came to the tent noted that there was not too much snow, however, a depth of 2,3 m seemed significant. Immediately after the avalanche, it could be noticeably larger, and part of the snow was then blown away by the wind, part simply evaporated, and part was compacted in 3 weeks (the evaporation and snow compaction factors are significant under the influence of wind on the eastern slope) ..
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 29 2013 10: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Parabelum
                A line from the radiograms of the search engines: “Things are extracted from depths up to 2,3 m ...” speaks not only about the depth of snow when setting up the tent,

                Things????? And there it is not indicated in which place. Since judging by the photo, the tent was not buried under such a thickness of snow
                1. Parabelum
                  Parabelum April 29 2013 10: 14 New
                  +1
                  I am not a specialist in meteorology, but I completely allow the possibility that “immediately after the avalanche, it could have been noticeably more, and part of the snow was then blown away by the wind, part simply evaporated, and part was compacted in 3 weeks (the evaporation and snow compaction factors are significant under exposure to wind on a slope of eastern orientation) .. "
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 April 29 2013 10: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Parabelum
                    I’m not an expert in meteorological science, but I completely allow the possibility that "immediately after the avalanche disappeared, it could be noticeably larger
                    The "avalanche snow" that that cement falls asleep qualitatively, like in a bog and then quickly seizes in the cold, which is why people can not dig themselves up in most cases ..
            2. Parabelum
              Parabelum April 29 2013 10: 06 New
              +3
              Perhaps there were attempts to dig out the tent, but new snow was falling on it, and there was the danger of a new avalanche (there could be a gathering of new masses of snow). Mentally and physically, it was very difficult to enter behind things back into the tent, crushed by snow. Pulling out a tent with things from under a piled-up mass of snow was unrealistic, and it would be very dangerous to “pull an avalanche by the tail” in this way.
              On a steep slope, in the snow and in the wind, with seriously injured comrades in their arms ... What should I do? Do it urgently! In such a situation, it’s hard not to lose your head! In place of the ravaged tent there is a snowy “waterfall”, ready to break into a new avalanche (attempts to dig out the tent could have been futile if new snow was poured onto it with jets).
              Tourists were forced to leave the place of the night, having injured comrades, because of the threat of a repeated avalanche.
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 29 2013 10: 14 New
                +6
                Quote: Parabelum
                Perhaps there were attempts to dig out the tent, but new snow was falling on it, and there was a danger of a new avalanche (there could be a gathering of new masses of snow)
                Once again, pay attention to the photo - the skates are intact at the tent, if the avalanche of tarpaulin were torn in this place, the snow most likely fell on the tent in a different way - falling from the sky ...
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2013 09: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          An avalanche passed by.
          When an avalanche occurs, this is accompanied by a strong air impact - the area exceeding the area of ​​the avalanche itself - the force of air pressure and impact is such that the tent would tear or even tear, through the same cut. Once again I say, an avalanche cannot be explained - except as a threat of its descent, but what could make it clear to them that this threat is real, that’s the question ...
          1. Parabelum
            Parabelum April 29 2013 09: 43 New
            0
            Avalanche, avalanche strife.
            It is important to note the following circumstance: “an avalanche of limited power” (the collapse of a cornice, or a ground, wasps) had little energy and mass. A powerful avalanche with a large impulse of mass and speed would easily crush both the tent and the tourists. The following reasons could have contributed to the avalanche descent: cutting the snowy slope above the tent, a sharp drop in temperature (as recorded in the nearest town of Ivdel: from minus 11 to minus 22-24. And at the scene of the accident, apparently, to minus 25. And the accumulation of fresh snow on the leeward slope, gusts of wind on a blown (open, treeless) mountain slope, the formation of a layer of deep frost in the snow above the tent.
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik April 29 2013 12: 47 New
              +1
              At the same time, the digging of the snow layer (cutting the snow layer so that the tent stood flat), apparently, was performed to the entire or almost the entire depth - this caused the stress of the mass of snow lying above the tent.

              Often an avalanche of a person falls asleep, with a notebook in his hand? Everyone was dressed, not in sleeping bags, with a camera around his neck. The place for the tent was chosen on a flat area, the group was experienced, not their first trip, as I understand it.
              1. Parabelum
                Parabelum April 29 2013 12: 53 New
                +5
                You shouldn’t be so, the group was inexperienced:
                Another such moment. The group had, it seems, enough experience to make such a trip. But for a similar accident, the group, it seems (judging by the result) was not prepared. As follows from the protocols of interrogation of witnesses, from the entire group only Woodpeckers had experience of cold spending the night (without a stove and a fire) at a height outside the forest zone. The participants had experience of two to four trips, and the leader additionally experienced two or three trips by the leader. In general, the experience is small: according to current requirements, Igor Dyatlov still didn’t even reach the first category (the requirement for first-rate students is now 4-5 campaigns. So, by today's standards, the Dyatlov group’s campaign was a campaign of the third or fourth difficulty category. Not really above the “four.” Their experience and strength must be assessed realistically. By the current standards, the Woodpeckers walked a little more than half the way ... They were “experienced” tourists for beginners and people completely unprepared. For the “masters,” their group according to modern ideas had and the average level of training (at the level of the average tourist training schools).
                For a number of signs, this group was not very strong and strong-willed. For example, a strong, experienced and strong-willed sports group would not go out “relatively early at 10 o’clock” (as Dyatlov wrote in the diary) - it would go out “relatively early at 6 o’clock” in order to make maximum use of daylight hours. Or another fact: two spent more than an hour assembling the stove! .. How “perfect” was their stove and how “great” were they able to assemble it. The group for all indicators was “average”. We do not want to somehow “belittle” them in any way or point to their “unpreparedness,” no! We only indicate their real capabilities and their “safety margins” for such a situation.
                Read http://www.mountain.ru/article/article_display1.php?article_id=806 very interesting
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                  shpuntik
                  shpuntik April 29 2013 17: 36 New
                  +4
                  Parabelum Today, 12:53 PM ↑
                  You shouldn’t be so, the group was inexperienced ...

                  "... It was such a tourist that Dyatlov was. From year to year he was the leader of trips, starting from category I to the most difficult of category III. For two years, Dyatlov worked in the bureau of the section. He was constantly asked for advice on issues of technology and tactics less experienced tourists. " Source: witness interrogation. https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n

                  The avalanche descent is a good version, it explains a lot in uninhabited places. But she sweeps traces. And the tracks lead to the cedar, to which 1500 m.

                  It's not about complexity groups, but about the merit of tourists, about: what made people leave barefoot for the night? And how was it necessary to be afraid, to return for warm things, if you lit a fire? Quote: "From the inspection of the place, it became clear that there were not two people, but more, because the titanic work was done on the preparation of firewood, lapnik."
                  If a person understands well in avalanche-hazardous areas or finds a "nuclear" bullet, this does not mean that he has reason to "drag by the ears" under his version of mysterious facts.
                  The investigation was conducted by the criminal prosecutor Ivanov (signature). If the forensic scientist puts the verdict: “An unknown force killed the Dyatlov’s group,” then you should not grasp for any opportunity to explain the inexplicable, but pay attention to the name of the mountain: Kholat-Syakhl, translated from Mansi - “Mountain of the Dead.” And the fact that there are "black spots" is what anyone will say to you, and not only will they drill.
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  • IllI4
    IllI4 1 May 2013 17: 48 New
    0
    Thanks for the link. Everything is clearly and sensibly painted.
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 29 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: shpuntik
    Often an avalanche of a person falls asleep, with a notebook in his hand? Everyone was dressed, not in sleeping bags, with a camera around his neck.

    By the way, yes, cameras and notebooks with them and the shoes did not find some crap !!! what request
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 29 2013 10: 21 New
    +5
    What the hell is an avalanche, an experimental group is scattering who's where some nonsense is, from which people broke the thickest branches of trees to make a fire, etc, etc !?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2013 14: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: krokodil25
      What the hell is an avalanche, an experimental group is scattering who's where some nonsense is, from which people broke the thickest branches of trees to make a fire, etc, etc !?

      I completely agree!!
      Not an avalanche for sure !!
  • Prometey
    Prometey April 29 2013 09: 50 New
    +6
    Quote: ATATA
    An avalanche passed by.

    If the accident has already happened, there’s no reason to run away headlong, all the more so in socks and without shoes. Coming out of the tent, they would first of all, dig out clothes.
  • Kalita
    Kalita April 29 2013 16: 07 New
    +4
    Why didn’t they return to the tent after the avalanche? And why fled in different directions?
    1. Fregate
      Fregate April 29 2013 20: 13 New
      0
      And here about the avalanche. After all, some of them have no eyes and someone has a tongue. If they were lying in the open snow, then this can be explained, maybe the animals ate, but if an avalanche came down and they were under the snow, where did the eyes and tongue go?
  • kind
    kind April 29 2013 09: 15 New
    +2
    Even if they were killed, the question arises, why ???
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 09: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Good
      Even if they were killed, the question arises, why ???

      Probably still more important WHY? And why, and so it is clear - a dead witness, the best witness, that’s why they were ALLOWED TO FIND the same question from the questions ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 29 2013 14: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Probably still more important WHY? And why, and so it is clear - a dead witness, the best witness, that’s why they were ALLOWED TO FIND the same question from the questions ...

        if the murder was killed * strangers *!
        1. Prometey
          Prometey April 29 2013 18: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Yarbay
          if the murder was killed * strangers *!

          I had the thought that Predator was hunting there what
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 29 2013 18: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Prometey
            I had the thought that Predator was hunting there

            I don’t know, but I don’t understand how these bullets could knock out ribs, break a skull!
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 30 2013 06: 40 New
      0
      Or "why" or "for what" ......
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 29 2013 09: 18 New
    11
    I read the first and second parts ... At first I was glad that the author relies on facts, does not compose delusional undertakings)) and at the end bam! "SECOND CHANGE" (JOKE) Well, what the hell are the needles ?? Well, why! ??? Why kill the "evil" KGB officers, not even the innocent students with super modern weapons, and even in the mountains ???
  • Prometey
    Prometey April 29 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    The death of the Dyatlov group only for society is a secret, most likely, the reason for their death has long been known to those who have access to classified materials. After all, there is no guarantee that only part of the investigation material was discovered, and most of the material evidence may have been seized and hidden at the investigation stage. Another question is why they are still hiding. There can be 2 reasons for this - either there really is something to hide and who, or they believe that society is not ready to perceive the true cause of death.
    As for the version of the author voiced here about bullet-needles, I would not even be surprised. There is no guarantee that forensic experts did not record “unnecessary” details in the protocol. The only question is, what kind of weapon can give such an initial velocity to the bullet - an electromagnetic gun that is just being developed?
    And as I read the different versions, I had questions: why do people think that it was Dyatlovites who built the flooring in the ravine, and it was after leaving the tent? Or maybe in parallel with the installation of the tent, the group that died in the ravine and did the flooring? And why could outsiders not make a bonfire near the cedar?
    And so in fact, it seems that the case is molded so as to deliberately confuse. After all, something is clearly not shown. Some small details are missing, which is the key to the solution.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 29 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    Krivonischenko's trousers, Zolotarev's sweater, and Thibault's camera had strong radiation.

    Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?
    In my opinion, it is the key to this tragedy, to find out how it got on these objects and what unites these people.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 10: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: AK-47
      Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?
      Many of them have already completed their studies at UPI and worked, in particular, at the Mayak, and there this “muck” was enough for the whole globe ...
    2. Prometey
      Prometey April 29 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: AK-47
      Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?
      In my opinion, it is the key to this tragedy, to find out how it got on these objects and what unites these people.

      Maybe you're right. Maybe it’s worthwhile to raise the question at all - what was the true purpose of the Dyatlov expedition. And there is a good chance that it is no coincidence that the Mayak worker went with the students of the UPI — why look at God’s forgotten place?
      Now about radiation. There is nothing supernatural in this. In 1957, a regional-scale accident occurred on Mayak (we type in the search engine the East Ural radioactive trail). Naturally, little was known about this accident to the public. Much later they already made a map of this EURT. Beta particles were affected by the territory of the Chelyabinsk and Kurgan regions. Then they might not have known the exact direction of the passage of the radioactive trail. A group of Dyatlov under the guise of a camping trip could go with the goal of determining the traces of the presence of a radioactive trail. And it’s worth finding out where Krivonischenko had visited before (not necessarily his clothes “caught” the radiation at the “Mayak”). He could visit areas subject to infection. And one more thing Dyatlov’s group consists of physics students, if I’m not mistaken. Is it by chance or not that there is not a single humanitarian there?
      Further we can build only logical assumptions. Or the group became a victim of a conflict between two "departments" - nuclear scientists and those who clearly wanted to hide something. Well, somehow, really, the investigation is confusing and everything looks strange.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 11: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Prometey
        Perhaps you `re right
        The “trace” itself passes much east of those places where the expedition took place. Here, of course, is a mystery of secrets, to which someone clearly has to do. I believe that this tragedy is the work of human hands, and it turned out to be so awkward, because the ministries really could not agree, here I agree with you.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey April 29 2013 11: 24 New
          0
          Quote: svp67
          The “trace” itself passes much east of those places where the expedition took place

          That is yes. Only maybe at that time they were looking for his tracks on a larger territory. If I am not mistaken, a trace map was drawn up in the late 80s.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 29 2013 13: 06 New
        +3
        Prometey Today, 11:13 ↑ New
        Maybe you're right. Maybe it’s worthwhile to raise the question at all - what was the true purpose of the Dyatlov expedition.

        Indeed: five cameras for nine people, aren't there many? Yes, and what is there to take pictures in winter, except for snow? The goal is not clear, because hiking in the mountains in winter ... Well, this is not even discussed.
        The only explanation: youthful maximalism, extreme for extreme. But it is also unlikely: as part of a group, an instructor, senior students, these are fifteen-year-old boys.
  • Black
    Black April 29 2013 10: 13 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author.
    With regards to the most mysterious death of tourists, now it will be impossible to find out the truth. Mountains are not GB, they often have no secrets.
  • Syrdon
    Syrdon April 29 2013 10: 51 New
    +2
    I am closer to the version of "controlled delivery", which for some reason turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly indicated by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production connected with the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a SMERSH employee in the past and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active employee undercover. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes, and many other oddities of this matter have gone.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 29 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Syrdon
      I’m closer to the version of “controlled delivery”

      I read about this version. She is not devoid of logic, with the exception of the moment about spies-sadists-supermen in Russian taiga wilds, which crack down on a group of tourists. At the same time, in a rage that everything breaks down, they break Dubinina’s ribs with extreme cruelty, knock out her eyes and pull out her tongue. After that, the snowman version is even closer to me.
  • Massik
    Massik April 29 2013 11: 12 New
    -1
    there is nothing to crawl in the mountains and everything will be fine, first we are looking for adventures on the ass, and when we find - "We didn’t want to!"
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 29 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    Why were such bullets needed in such a wilderness ?! Thousands of kilometers from the capital and such an exotic. If tourists saw something, it was easier to take a non-disclosure subscription from them. Everything would have come to naught, and there were more problems. Well, we’d like to shoot them. They would have shot with buckshot from rifles and no examination would have determined who shot - this is a feature of smooth-bore weapons. And then, WHAT students needed to know in order for them to take such rare weapons to such a wilderness.

    IMHO: tourists died from completely natural causes ambassadors to leave the tent. The most important question is what drove them out of the tent?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 12: 11 New
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      why were such bullets needed in such a wilderness ?!

      As I understand it, this is just an assumption of the author ... In my opinion, it could not be bullets, but particles of some kind of device that exploded ...
    2. Petrix
      Petrix April 29 2013 15: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      what drove them out of the tent?

      Maybe radiation. They opened (broke) some thing and got scared. They are physicists, they knew the consequences.
      Maybe shifts of snow or the noise of an avalanche. They are sitting. Suddenly a landslide. The entrance is piled up. Cut the sidewall, ran out. They hear - there is an avalanche (somewhere), it is dark not visible. And escape to the forest.

      Or maybe all the factors combined. Why is it necessary to consider only this or only that? Special services organized a campaign (with a hidden purpose) to explore the anomalous region. The group had with it radioactive substances (or found in a given area). At night, the UFO or the security of the special district decides to eliminate eyewitnesses. Shots or movements cause an avalanche.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 29 2013 18: 36 New
        +1
        Petrix
        I think your hypothesis is the most real wink In addition, the group could be at the center of the confrontation between traitors and strangers. The situation got out of control and the traitor activated the self-destruction device. The shock wave killed the last 4 tourists hiding in a ravine. Hence such damage. The mopping-up group first exported the corpses of aliens, and stumbled upon the bodies of tourists, so the criminal case was opened on February 6, and the search engines discovered the first corpse on the 26th.
        If I were a science fiction writer, I would probably write such a plot of the book.
  • Prometey
    Prometey April 29 2013 13: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    and particles of some kind of device that exploded ...

    By the way, also a fact. One of the mysteries of why the group left the tent in a hurry? Often, excitement and an inadequate reaction are observed when a sound and shock wave are exposed to the body, and a large adrenaline rush enters the bloodstream. This, in particular, was observed during the explosion of domestic gas from the neighbors of his aunt. After a powerful clap, the man in the apartment ran for 20 minutes on the porch, carrying some nonsense. After 2 days, he died from injuries of internal organs. recourse
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik April 29 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    Immediately test for intelligence, how many people can be counted in the pictures?
    I counted seven people (marked with red markers);

    The author is testing me lol Is skiing easier to count? And let him think: on such a trip, do they take spare skis? It seems to me that the author first "digged" these bullets, and then pulled his version of these bullets.
    Maybe the bullets are there, but not everyone they meet has them. If the object is guarded, then which object is nearby? Thank you for the photo of the cartridge hi I was not in the know.
    PS Such a cartridge is suitable for special operations to eliminate the type, "Tipo Bandera."
    1. Petrix
      Petrix April 29 2013 15: 48 New
      +1
      Why can't versions be considered just because they are less likely than others? The quality of the investigation is that it dismantles those versions that physically cannot be.
      Quote: shpuntik
      Is skiing easier to count?

      The question is how many people are pictured, not how many skis. There may be people and skis behind the scenes. There may be spare skis. They can ski and lie on the ground. Etc.
      Quote: shpuntik
      then which object is nearby?

      Ignorance about an object does not deny its existence.
      Quote: shpuntik
      This cartridge is suitable for special operations to eliminate the type, "Tipo Bandera"

      Question: Is this a fictitious cartridge? If not, what prevents him from being there? Low probability?
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 29 2013 18: 20 New
        +2
        Petrix Today, 15: 48 ↑
        Why can't versions be considered just because they are less likely than others?
        The question is how many people are pictured, not how many skis. There may be people and skis behind the scenes. There may be spare skis. They can ski and lie on the ground.

        I will explain my motivation. 1) The author asks how many people are in the photo, then adds two women and says: "But then everything becomes incomprehensible, if you focus on the shadow, taking into account the time (evening), then this place should be located on the southwestern slope of the mountain." Where is the connection between the number of people and the cardinal points?
        2) Skis on a slope are not laid, they can roll off even with a slight slope.
        3) Can there be spare skis? They can. When the dogs pull the team. Example: long expeditions to the North. Pole. Climbers count every kilogram, and the group planned to climb Otorten
        4) When opening the bodies, even small fragments are found, and if the fragment is "phonite", then it can be found even in a haystack. There is a method of labeling with radionuclides.
        5) It was much easier to kill everyone and cover up the tracks. If "organs" were involved, then there would be no information at all. The corpses were taken, along with the tent, to the helicopter where necessary, and the ends into the water.
        The cartridge is not invented, in all, but a version with it is unlikely.
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 29 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Syrdon
    I am closer to the version of "controlled delivery", which for some reason turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly indicated by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production connected with the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a SMERSH employee in the past and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active employee undercover. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes, and many other oddities of this matter have gone.

    This version really quite plausibly explains the death of the group. It also has enough stretch. I can confidently say that not members of the group cut their tent. Natural reasons that forced people to leave their bivouac in this form and in those conditions do not exist. They were driven out by other people, most likely armed. Departure to the forest took place in groups or in small groups. But it’s impossible to call it organized. did not follow the trail. So they were not happy with each other, maybe even cursed. There is only one reason why you can cut a tent in cold weather if you lose your shoes. In this case, the material is cut off from the bottom of the tent, if it is not there, then from the bottom.
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 29 2013 13: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    Quote: Syrdon
    I am closer to the version of "controlled delivery", which for some reason turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly indicated by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production connected with the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a SMERSH employee in the past and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active employee undercover. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes, and many other oddities of this matter have gone.

    This version really quite plausibly explains the death of the group. It also has enough stretch. I can confidently say that not members of the group cut their tent. Natural reasons that forced people to leave their bivouac in this form and in those conditions do not exist. They were driven out by other people, most likely armed. Departure to the forest took place in groups or in small groups. But it’s impossible to call it organized. did not follow the trail. So they were not happy with each other, maybe even cursed. There is only one reason why you can cut a tent in cold weather if you lose your shoes. In this case, the material is cut off from the bottom of the tent, if it is not there, then from the bottom.
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 29 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Marssik
    there is nothing to crawl in the mountains and everything will be fine, first we are looking for adventures on the ass, and when we find - "We didn’t want to!"

    Not everyone is at home sitting and staring at nature through the screen or from the place where the SUV is stuck. Actually walking in the mountains or hiking in the winter Urals, this is a military-applied sport. Houses are always more comfortable and safer. Who is closer to the soul.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 29 2013 13: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Prometey
    One of the mysteries of why the group left the tent in a hurry?


    IMHO: this is the most important question.

    Quote: Prometey
    Often, excitement and an inadequate reaction are observed when a sound and shock wave are exposed to the body, and a large adrenaline rush enters the bloodstream. This, in particular, was observed during the explosion of domestic gas from the neighbors of his aunt.


    IMHO: I think the source was either infrasound, or an explosion of an unknown nature.
  • xoma58
    xoma58 April 29 2013 14: 26 New
    +2
    In my opinion complete nonsense. If they were to be removed from the secret services, then they simply would not have been found, that’s all. And no one would search. I think these are the causes of death of a completely natural origin, an avalanche or something similar.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix April 29 2013 15: 59 New
      0
      And for the media, a command was given to promote this topic and bring it under a UFO. It is necessary that more people believe in UFOs. Please note the main thing: there is only information around and not a single museum exhibit with access for everyone. Everyone says, but they’re not saying anything.
      ps I myself do not deny UFOs, tk. their existence is logical.
  • biglow
    biglow April 29 2013 14: 40 New
    +1
    it’s very obvious that the cause of the death of this group was an avalanche, plus the inexperience of the leader. Snow was moving, people panicked and then just froze in the cold. That's all, the rest is already particular, but what the author writes is more like sucking a version out of a finger ...
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 29 2013 15: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: biglow
      it’s very obvious that the cause of the death of this group was an avalanche, plus the inexperience of the leader. Snow was moving, people panicked and then just froze in the cold. That's all, the rest is already particular, but what the author writes is more like sucking a version out of a finger ...

      An avalanche is the most incredible reason for this tragedy. She was definitely not there. If you can easily understand mountain dangers, then take the trouble to explain what snow movement is, otherwise I don’t know what danger it is.
      1. biglow
        biglow April 29 2013 15: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Humpty

        Comrade Parabelum SU has already described everything in detail. I have little experience walking in the mountains in winter and see only avalanche and panic as a reason. There are such small avalanches in the Crimea to the mountains on the slopes, when there is just a shift in a large amount of snow, this is not a classic avalanche also very dangerous. Everything is very similar
        1. Humpty
          Humpty April 29 2013 16: 48 New
          +3
          "Not large" avalanches with a shift of large (> 10000m3) snow are certainly dangerous. Sometimes 200m3 kills a person. Only the Ural valleys and plateaus where the tragedy occurred are not suitable for the formation of serious (> 500m3) avalanches.
    2. Prometey
      Prometey April 29 2013 18: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: biglow
      it is very obvious that the cause of the death of this group is an avalanche

      I live in the Urals and honestly have never heard of avalanches in our mountains. Yes, mudflows are not uncommon, but this is completely different.
      And I do not believe that all 9 people could run into panic and run half-dressed in the cold. In addition, Zolotorev was the most gifted of life experience, a veteran. Was he, having passed the war, frightened of some landslide? Not something is wrong here.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 29 2013 15: 39 New
    +2
    In discussion on op. The forum provided a link to an avalanche hazard map and the opinion of experts, including Soviet ones. There was no avalanche danger. Another thing is that subjectively, tourists could count anything.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix April 29 2013 16: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      experts, including Soviet.

      People tend to make mistakes. Probability always remains. There is no danger, but the snow has fallen and the temperature has changed, and the danger has already appeared.
  • DmitryK
    DmitryK April 29 2013 16: 01 New
    +7
    I was on this pass several times in the winter on a snowmobile. There is nowhere to get an avalanche, the slope is small and most importantly (after all, the avalanche goes from above) on a mountain of snow there is almost none there in winter. Stones, all the snow blows by the winds; he does not linger there. Snow accumulates at the end of the slope, there really is 2-3 meters there.
  • Demid
    Demid April 29 2013 16: 48 New
    +2
    Those who claim that the avalanche was the death of the group, take the trouble to explain the oddities with the investigation ...
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 29 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Demid
      Those who claim that the avalanche was the death of the group, take the trouble to explain the oddities with the investigation ...

      I’ll work, although I don’t think that the elements could drive people out of that bivouac.
      I probably have the right to a personal opinion. 27 years I have been involved in the analysis and analysis of accidents in the mountains.
      There was never a curtain of secrecy at the time of the death of 10, 11 or 43 people in an avalanche. 8 well-trained athletes froze in 1974. The same is not any classification of the investigation materials. With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.
      1. Demid
        Demid April 29 2013 20: 29 New
        +1
        AND?..

        Where is the explanation itself?
  • wown
    wown April 29 2013 17: 13 New
    +1
    An interesting version, but by the end, something the author went bad))
  • old rats
    old rats April 29 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    those radiation values ​​that are indicated is a large dose? how much will it be in x-ray / hour? Does any of those present know?
    By the way, the article does not suggest that they were killed by KGB officers.
    some of the members of the forum share this point of view, others reject it, but they are not in the article.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 29 2013 17: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.


    So what year it was.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 29 2013 17: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      Quote: Humpty
      With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.


      So what year it was.

      Year as year. In the 55th, 11 people died on the ascent from the consequences of mountain sickness. Odin-Ural Usenov accidentally survived. No one took a subscription from him; the case was carefully analyzed. By the way, there was a moment of panic and the tent was cut. Only it was at an altitude of about 7000 meters without acclimatization. The head does not cook at all under such conditions.
  • datur
    datur April 29 2013 17: 47 New
    -6
    just got it, this topic is everywhere! fashion or, however, the trend is right up to vomiting !!!!! belay yes
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 April 29 2013 20: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: datur
      just got it, this topic is everywhere!

      Do not like do not read, but a tragedy occurred, people died, there is no intelligible version.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ April 29 2013 17: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    Year as year


    I think that the usual bureaucratic reinsurance.

    Quote: Humpty
    By the way there was a moment of panic and the tent was cut


    What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik April 29 2013 19: 08 New
      +1
      _KM_ Today, 17:53
      What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?

      Panic caused the "Evil spirit of Yambuya" :-)
      Quote:"Now about the movement of the Dyatlov group along the route. The first days of the campaign were normal. The group was keenly interested in everything seen (Mansi inscriptions)
      Sheet 336
      at the halts they had fun and rest. "
      https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n
      "The place where the group died in the winter is considered by Mansi unsuitable for hunting and reindeer husbandry." http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D1%82%D1%83%D

      1%80%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_%D0%94%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0

      %B0#.D0.93.D0.B8.D0.B1.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C_.D0.BE.D1.82_.D1.80.D1.83.D0.BA_.D0.BC.

      D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.B8
      "This hill was terrible and impregnable because of the many evil spirits lurking in it. Therefore, not a single shepherd who was in the desert dared to approach this place."

      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 29 2013 19: 25 New
        0
        Quote: shpuntik
        _KM_ Today, 17:53
        What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?

        Panic caused the "Evil spirit of Yambuya" :-)
        Quote:"Now about the movement of the Dyatlov group along the route. The first days of the campaign were normal. The group was keenly interested in everything seen (Mansi inscriptions)
        Sheet 336
        at the halts they had fun and rest. "
        https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n
        "The place where the group died in the winter is considered by Mansi unsuitable for hunting and reindeer husbandry." http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D1%82%D1%83%D


        1%80%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_%D0%94%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0


        %B0#.D0.93.D0.B8.D0.B1.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C_.D0.BE.D1.82_.D1.80.D1.83.D0.BA_.D0.BC.


        D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.B8
        "This hill was terrible and impregnable because of the many evil spirits lurking in it. Therefore, not a single shepherd who was in the desert dared to approach this place."

      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik April 29 2013 19: 31 New
        +1
        http://www.portal-slovo.ru/theology/37671.php?ELEMENT_ID=37671&PAGEN_2=3
        As the poet said: "Horatio - in heaven
        And on earth there are more things
        What our philosophy dreamed of. "
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov April 29 2013 18: 38 New
    +1
    Perhaps they were found the same trap of Chelyabinsk after February 15, you can’t talk about new ones, they took up the old ones.
    The article has many secondary details, but there are major factors:
    - reddish skin (radiation burn)
    - radiation
    - Fright and loss of orientation (the result of a flash, rumble and loss of vision).
    These are typical symptoms of a jet strike from a comet explosion (this is visible on the Chelyabinsk Chronicle) - a rare (6 times a year global average) phenomenon, but it is necessary to study it and act competently if possible.
    In the last part I wrote a comment on what to do, I do not like it - think better.
    There are "bullets" during the explosions of comets, but these are balls of iron up to 3 mm on Earth and up to 6 on Mars at a speed of up to 2 km / s, the bone pierces by 3 centimeters. They are a rare beam, you can collect it with a magnet.
  • gennadi
    gennadi April 29 2013 18: 53 New
    +1
    And why did all the bodies turn yellow and purple?
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov April 29 2013 22: 14 New
      +1
      There are free electrons (beta radiation), the skin turns red from them, and the subcutaneous fat polymerizes and becomes hard, like plastic. With more powerful old explosions, the effect of "petrification" was obtained like that of Lot's wife from the Bible. It is rare, but a reality. If there is an electronic gun - try on fat.
  • gennadi
    gennadi April 29 2013 19: 08 New
    -7
    I personally know those who in a previous life were Igor Dyatlov, Zinaida Kolmogorova, Nikolay Thibault-Brignoles, Zolotarev, but strangely enough this does not clarify the situation yet ... I hope it will become clear later.
    1. tomket
      tomket April 29 2013 21: 42 New
      +3
      tie with what you smoke)))))
    2. Argon
      Argon April 30 2013 00: 49 New
      0
      Yes Yes drugs fight!
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 29 2013 19: 40 New
    +2
    I read everything related to the missile version of the tragedy and I want to add some of my thoughts. So from the Missile Technology website (this information is available on many Internet sites): "Joint flight tests (missiles and a weight-and-weight breadboard model of a warhead) were conducted from December 24, 1958 to November 27, 1959. 16 missiles were tested (R-7), of which eight were already manufactured at the Progress serial plant. Of the 16 launched missiles, 10 reached the target with a given accuracy, two missiles exceeded the range due to deviations in the control system, one missile did not reach the 28km target due to abnormal operation of the system pipe boost about islitelya at the final stage, one rocket flew over the target for 16,8 km due to the unstable operation of the radio system and two rockets stopped flying because of variations in the propulsion system. "
    These were already purely military trials and there is no information about them anywhere else. If we take into account the uniform nature of the launches, then they went with a frequency of 18 days and during January-February 1959 there were at least three of them. From the tests of the first stage it is known that during the accident not all missiles exploded, so two military unsuccessful launches could well end in the northern Urals, due to the shutdown of the second-stage engines.
    Then events could develop as follows, a collapsed rocket falls onto the pass, including a tank with supercooled oxygen (minus 200 degrees). The fall of the tank causes an avalanche (all injuries according to the avalanche version), and the spilled liquid oxygen begins to evaporate quickly, cooling the air and carrying it after the fleeing guys. Unnatural dynamic postures of the dead say that they had to breathe in air at a temperature close to 100 degrees, which caused instant death right in motion. After a couple of hours, the oxygen evaporated completely and the temperature evened out. Those who took out the fragments of missiles by helicopters could simply not notice either the tent or the corpses.
    1. tomket
      tomket April 29 2013 21: 29 New
      0
      they specifically conducted searches for the remnants of components of rocket fuel, there is nothing, but you just can’t get it out.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 29 2013 21: 52 New
        +1
        Asymmetric dimethyl hydrosine melts the lungs at the first breath, so no one could rush there. And the oxidizing agent (nitric acid) is not much nicer ... Both one and the other leave VERY characteristic long-term traces
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs April 30 2013 06: 53 New
          0
          Yangel’s R-16 rocket on this type of fuel has already been created, but the first test was in mid-1959.
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs April 30 2013 06: 52 New
        0
        At R-7, supercooled liquid oxygen and kerosene was used as fuel. A kerosene tank could fall elsewhere.
    2. tomket
      tomket April 29 2013 21: 37 New
      +1
      they would die at about the same time, and some still had time to put on their frozen clothes to keep warm, if I’m not mistaken, someone froze trying to return to the tent.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs April 30 2013 06: 56 New
        0
        Someone sat on a cedar and watched the cloud spread. Then an attempt was made to go along the edge of the cloud to the tent, but the wind could change.
    3. Letterksi
      Letterksi April 30 2013 12: 40 New
      0
      Very interesting. I quickly (no time to go into much detail) looked at the flight parameters of the first Earth satellite and the first cosmonaut Gagarin. It turned out that the inclination of the orbit of both flights was about 65 g. to the invader. (In fact, this slope is the northern latitude on the globe).
      He opened the Google map and noted the coordinates of the Dyatlov pass (61.758 gr. SS, 59.462 gr. VD). Very close seemed the close coincidence of the inclination of the flight orbit and the latitude of the Dyatlov Pass. Further, I proceed from the assumption that at that time all R-7 rockets were launched with an orbital inclination of 65 grams, because it was necessary to bring the rocket to mind, and not experiment with orbits. (It would be necessary to find the inclination of the orbit of the Belka and Strelka flight for a larger dock. Base. I suppose it was also about 65 gr.)
      On the internet I found a picture with the projection of the trajectory of Gagarin’s flight above the ground here sasha-bogdanov.livejournal.com/603923.html Following it, Gagarin landed in the area of ​​the city of Saratov
      He opened Google Map and noted two points: the city of Saratov and the Dyatlov Pass (attached picture).
      So, if you look closely and somehow superimpose the image of Gagarin’s trajectory on the image of the marked map, then the segment of the city of Saratov-per. Dyatlova Practically lies and coincides with the flight path of Gagarin (mentally continue the sinusoid from the landing site of Gagarin of Saratov to the Dyatlov pass - they match!)
      Assuming that 16 launches of the R-7 were made along the same favorite trajectory with a slope of 65 g. It is entirely conceivable that the rocket landing compartment or the layout of the landing block could fly over the city of Saratov and plump around the Dyatlov Pass.

      Maybe I'm wrong. This is just an estimate

      PS
      R-7 did not contain heptyl, but was kerosene. Although this has nothing to do with reasoning, if only because the landing block already contains no fuel at the end of the flight. It could be a psychological factor for tourists
  • tomket
    tomket April 29 2013 21: 32 New
    +1
    I’ll once again express the idea of ​​airplanes, in 43 the squadron disappeared there, no missile tests were carried out at that time, later the airplanes also disappeared, so the bloody gebnya also didn’t have anything, there’s some kind of anomaly in that area, given that it’s so since they repeatedly saw luminous balls, it’s quite possible that someone like it as a kind of ball lightning or a plasmoid. Well, they called it a mountain of the dead or spirits for a reason, too, for the sake of a red word, apparently something has long been entrenched in those places.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs April 30 2013 06: 58 New
      0
      Ball lightning is not observed in winter.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP April 30 2013 23: 40 New
        0
        Guys, I just remembered. Once upon a time in Soviet times, I came across an article about rare ball lightning or plasmoids that appear from nowhere and cause great damage. So, the article described how such lightning killed groups of tourists - flew into a tent and randomly rushed there like an abandoned firecracker, when it flew into a person - it caused terrible pain and caused shock. Not a single surname was called, but reading articles about Dyatlov’s group lately, he is inclined to think that they were talking about them - there is too much in common. If you think about it - a lot converges - people in a panic and shock are thrown out of the tent in the cold and run away to nowhere. Strange damage, the absence of visible traces of a weapon (or weapon), etc. And the GB present on the spot and the subsequent catastrophe around the investigation were caused by an attempt to hide not traces of malicious intent, but inability to rationally explain what had happened and not to generate rumors and superstition.
  • mountain hiker
    mountain hiker April 29 2013 22: 42 New
    -1
    An analysis of the causes of the death of the group should be inextricably linked with the conditions in which it found itself. I absolutely agree with the author regarding the timing of the incident. The tragedy occurred on the way back after the ascent, confirmation is the stock of food and firewood. Either they spent several days there waiting for the weather, it doesn’t matter. The important thing is why they did not reach a miserable 1.5 km to the abandonment (storehouse) in the forest zone, where they would be in complete safety and relative comfort. There can only be one answer - a complete lack of visibility - a blizzard or snow fog. The photo with the installation of the tent partly gives an idea of ​​the conditions in which the guys were, but it probably didn’t make sense to take off the last night ... Under such conditions, the decision to set up a camp and wait for an improvement in visibility is the only logical and correct one.
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs April 30 2013 07: 00 New
      0
      If the wind carried some kind of cloud, then they left perpendicular to its trail.
  • mountain hiker
    mountain hiker April 30 2013 00: 07 New
    +3
    Further, what caused the stampede of the group from the tent? Neither the fall of rocket debris, nor the landing of a nearby UFO will force a tent to be cut, and who got out in what frost, night, snowstorm. This can only provoke the sound of an avalanche - when the snow starts to sound around, I don’t know what words to describe it - but it is felt by my gut, subconscious, consciousness, all your animal essence, and the instinct works instantly - to flee from danger without thinking about the tent, shoes, etc. .d. Where to run when night is around, a blizzard and it is not visible where is the sky and where is the earth? And there it is much easier, and most importantly faster from danger - along the line of water fall - down the slope. There is only one landmark - the steepness of the slope - as soon as you pick it up, you automatically adjust the desired side. And by the way, they all run nearby scattered, at least in some deep snow, because everyone is for himself. So they did not see anything in the gadgets and rushed - there was nowhere else to go. And they stopped right at the edge of the forest, felt safe and probably had no more strength. The evil irony of fate was that they fled in vain - the avalanche did not hurt their tent! Judging by the photo, the tent did not suffer at all - if it fell asleep - there would be a compressed pancake. Especially if we assume that part of the group received fatal injuries in the tent - the thickness of the snow should have been at least half a meter. The tent would crush and fold. If you had to dig and get the wounded, everything would be cut and randomly scattered. In addition, it is physically impossible to carry the 4th seriously injured to those remaining, and the traces of others would go in a tight group. So we got out of the tent in a panic, who was in what, but all alive and healthy. Error? No - when an avalanche "breathes" under you, being in a dark cramped tent it is impossible to navigate when and where it will go - the only chance to jump out! In 1978, my friends brought a corpse from the Subpolar Urals. The situation is almost similar - the group stopped on a slope 17-20 ", in the absence of visibility, after climbing. At night they were covered by an avalanche ... For the majority, the concept of an avalanche is something grandiose - millions of tons of snow fly off a cliff, sweeping away everything in its path - centuries-old trees, Everything’s right - there are such people, no one returns from under them, but they were covered with a small “board” - it covered only part of the tent with a layer of only 15-20 cm. The guy who fell asleep told me that the impression was like you were rolled up into the asphalt - it’s absolutely impossible to move even a finger mi, where is the top - where is the bottom? and the dark circles in front of your eyes are choking. Lying on the other edge they cut a tent and dug it out and pumped one more, but the girl couldn’t - it was weaker ... 2-3 min in all ... So that "avalanches" are different and on almost any slope - it all depends on the specific conditions of snow, wind, temperature, etc. All this was enough for the Urals.
    My opinion is that the avalanche still got the guys ... Only not in the abandoned tent, but in the hollow where they ran! The nature of the damage is very characteristic of injuries squeezed by a mass of snow. And a photo of the excavated flooring - there is a mass of snow such that even an elephant could be crushed. Perhaps the guys ran downstairs, began to recover, made a hole, began to trowel flooring - you won’t stand long in socks in the snow - somewhere at that time it was already covered by a massive landslide, call it whatever you like. It is a pity there is no scheme where all bodies would be shown with an indication of the place and injuries. Maybe a clearer picture would have developed ... Well, then the survivors tried to dig out, help, make a fire, return to the tent - there are sea scenarios. Amid shock, exhaustion, frost, night, snowstorm ...
    Perhaps everything is as it was. If not for one but .....
    THE CLOCK IS SIMPLY SO SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR ALL OF THESE DO NOT STOP ...
    (of course, if this is an established fact)))))
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik April 30 2013 02: 39 New
      +2
      [img]http://diesel.elcat.kg/index.php?s=67492ae51f3553a56dfb7ed2f4d3ce20&act=att
      ach & type = post & id = 1484714 [/ img]
      mountain tourist Today, 00:07
      It is a pity there is no scheme where all bodies would be shown with an indication of the place and injuries.

      Here, more or less here:
      http://www.chaskor.ru/article/pereval_dyatlova_31065
    2. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs April 30 2013 07: 03 New
      +2
      But Axelrod clearly showed that the prints of the tracks correspond to a normal step, and not to run. And they walked literally in gust and not in a row.
    3. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 30 2013 07: 07 New
      0
      And two were dressed and ready .. this is the author in the first part ... Also with a camera and a notebook ..
    4. DmitryK
      DmitryK April 30 2013 13: 54 New
      0
      Indeed, one can believe about the avalanche in the hollow ... but where the tent was unlikely. And there is nowhere to take this rattling thunder on the top of the slope. This is a kurnik with a slight altitude.
    5. IllI4
      IllI4 1 May 2013 12: 38 New
      0
      The clock could stop from cooling. If everyone was covered with snow, then completely. If it is really a fact. And so, a very robust version of events.
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets April 30 2013 06: 51 New
    0
    Well, uranium bullets, this is a joke. In such a place, a simple carbine is enough. It’s interesting, but why does this place attract physicists together with GB, what is there now? If they were all reproached, then there was a serious reason for this, not departmental contradictions. They did not want to be alive. What did they see? Where have you wandered? What have you come across? From the avalanche, as I understand it, there would be a complete mittens of snow. Strangulation and other fractures. And they seem to have been killed. If the forensic doctor is not lying ..... request
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK April 30 2013 13: 58 New
      0
      It seems that none of them attracts anything there. Remote now completely abandoned places without roads and communications.
  • ULxaw86
    ULxaw86 April 30 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    Do I alone have the feeling of "deja vu"?
    http://topwar.ru/22170-oruzhie-s-pereva.html
  • DmitryK
    DmitryK April 30 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    If there were traces of the use of any weapon on the bodies, many of the search engine rescuers would have seen it and word of mouth would have worked and now the information would have been leaked. And then it goes to eyewitnesses and something does not come up with a thought ...
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 30 2013 15: 06 New
      0
      And the mountain itself, is it interesting in terms of tourism for physicists? request
  • mountain hiker
    mountain hiker April 30 2013 15: 54 New
    +1
    I read http://murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html. It seems that the author of the article screwed up the clock - for 2 times 8-10 and 8-41, for the third - 5-10 and it is not known which days ... 4 corpses with numerous fractures without tissue damage - were found in May under a melted avalanche in a ravine !!! When searching in February, avalanche probes did not reach them! True, these four died later than the guys around the campfire near the cedar - on them were pieces of frozen clothing. Why later? All four are well-dressed - Zolotarev and Thibault - generally almost completely, including shoes - front-line soldiers - maybe they slept dressed ?! They sat in a deep snow pit with flooring - the best shelter from the wind. Unfortunately, it was impossible to make a fire there, as the pit did not reach the ground. Apparently from time to time they went to the fire - there are 50 meters in total. Upon returning to the flooring, it is possible that after they found dead around a bonfire, they fell under a collapse. The five that warmed themselves by the fire near the cedar (it was on an elevation and there was less snow there and it was possible to make fire, the branches were broken right from the cedar) froze in the wind and frost - they were without shoes and almost without clothes. Three of them apparently decided to return to the tent, but froze on the way. The article turns out to be very biased .... There are apparently really a lot of inconsistencies in the materials of the investigation, but I think if you take any other matter, you can always dig - investigators - people!
  • mountain hiker
    mountain hiker April 30 2013 16: 06 New
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    Quote: DmitryK
    And there is nowhere to take this rattling thunder on the top of the slope. This is a kurnik with a slight altitude.

    There may not be a roar - the slope can "breathe" - such a dull and very "surround" sound is very impressive! A crash occurs when an avalanche has already started.
  • gennadi
    gennadi April 30 2013 17: 55 New
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    And what could be the connection with the crash that followed there and the death of 9 people?
  • Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 1 May 2013 01: 36 New
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    http://murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html - прочитал(много, очень много букаф( но очень интересно)) ...доводы похожи на правду...но про амреканских шпионов это конечно круто!
    I’m talking about this - in 2000, while on a business trip to the UK, I heard a terrible story about business travelers from KhantyMansi Riot police - that this brother was supposedly (and when I arrived at the Chechen Republic, I saw them in Mozdok) (Borovichi 170 cm tall and as wide, dangerous guys said that the state treasury officers threw into a corner and slept in a hug with 3 l with rifles and screws "grandfathers") pokotsala the local Chicha on the spot and asked the inspector from Khankalenok - "Chegoito to do with us however - he went, looked, talked on the radio ... well, we shot him, however, cut into small pieces, and scattered around the neighborhood, however ... we need to do the chigo further, huh? "after which the inspector from Khankalenka said that neither heard anything nor knows anything and merged quietly ... Then supposedly the elders of Chichi asked in Khankala to be taken out of sight to another region ...
    This is in 2000 and what could their grandfathers and great-grandfathers do in 59 if the Russian shaitans invaded their holy tracts - there will be no truth, these are quick-eyed devils however ...
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 1 May 2013 02: 06 New
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      Narrow-eyed, if anything, would have cut them out in a quiet and all. And these tourists in some underpants were breaking. Something did not faintly shuganul them, or someone. And what about the snow man, what was written in the wall newspaper? Can he shoot them with uranium needles? Tangled ammo in the dark laughing smile
  • Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 1 May 2013 02: 30 New
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    Although they were grandfathers of our contemporaries, they lived with the Russians for several hundred years, and they knew what happens for the murder. And if there was an insult to the gods, then they could kill us (especially if our atheists provoked them). They threatened and drove them out in the cold when they saw that the “Russians are not here” came and finished off, maybe they finished it off with their knees - hell knows how they won the Schaub in the struggle of their national deer ...
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 1 May 2013 03: 32 New
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      And the same woman? belay
  • smershspy
    smershspy 2 May 2013 16: 21 New
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    Quote: Clever man
    I read the first and second parts ... At first I was glad that the author relies on facts, does not compose delusional undertakings)) and at the end bam! "SECOND CHANGE" (JOKE) Well, what the hell are the needles ?? Well, why! ??? Why kill the "evil" KGB officers, not even the innocent students with super modern weapons, and even in the mountains ???


    I completely agree! I have read many articles on this case. I can say that in this story there are more questions than answers! Maybe the anomalous zone, maybe Mansi, who knows what happened, but new groups tried to get into this area and they were advised not to go there! Most likely an anomalous zone, like zone 666.
  • Thepappajohn
    Thepappajohn 2 May 2013 22: 02 New
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    How many films were made, how many articles, books and other things were written on this topic. And in the end, some speculation and speculation .. Until this matter is declassified, (if there is something to declassify) no one will ever know the truth, in its purest form.
  • wown
    wown 4 May 2013 11: 28 New
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    for sure! they’ve been shown about them for a whole week. and then not one iota did not come close to a solution