Non-classified materials - the moment of truth (Part of 2)

Secret investigation

People familiar with the theme of the Dyatlov Pass do not need to be convinced that the events there are mysterious and, after more than fifty years, they are practically not susceptible to investigation. The investigation materials, laid out in full in open access, cannot do anything to help; moreover, even a superficial acquaintance with these materials raises a lot of questions and even more confuses the search for truth.

To match the events on the pass, the consequence is also full of mysteries. These man-made riddles were suggested to us by specific people, investigators, it seems that they knew much more than was reflected in the materials of the investigation. To prove this, we will look for additional indirect data about events on the pass from the investigation process itself and eyewitness recollections.

Not only actual materials are eloquent, but also how they are presented in an official document. No less important is not the availability of the document, but its absence, much can clarify and discrepancies in the documents. So let's try to understand from this point of view what is being hidden from us. This is not an idle interest, in the context of the events, a veil of secrecy, the actual circumstances of the events on the Dyatlov Pass are hidden.

Retouching or tagging?

In the investigation materials there are photographs with obvious traces of retouching, these are not random “blots”, they have a clear logic, here’s a vivid example, two photographs from the investigation materials, Slobodin’s body was taken at different points of view:

In the pictures of the body a black rectangle is seen in the lumbar region, in both photos in the same place. That we won’t guess, we just state the fact, in the materials of the investigation there are photos with hidden areas on the clothes.

This is not the only example, there are photos with a more mysterious retouching, here are two photos of the body of Dubinina, photos appear to have been taken from the same negative, but they are different, see for yourself:

There is a dark spot on the body picture, in the lumbar region, this spot is reflected in the investigation materials, and in the examination report of the body it was stated that the damage on the back was made by the probe probe. So the spot in the picture is not an accidental defect.
And here is the second shot from the same negative:

In this picture from the same negative there is no damage to the back.
In the case of Slobodin’s body, we don’t know what is hidden under the retouching; in the case of Dubinina’s body, we know for sure that there was damage in this place (recorded in the body detection protocol).

As a hypothesis, knowing the investigator’s specific attitude towards investigating events on the pass, it can be assumed that the investigator did not conceal on these retouched sites, but on the contrary, drew attention to the places on the bodies, which could help to understand real events.

It is possible that the photos of the bodies of Slobodin and Dubinina were not intentionally retouched, these are marks of places to which the investigator had heightened attention, he marked them so that they called for “their own use”.

However, it is not the motive of the appearance of spots that is important, but the fact that there were areas under them requiring special attention when investigating what happened.

Conflicting documents

Already mentioned was the protocol of the inspection of the body of Dubinina at the scene, signed by the prosecutor Tempelov, here is an excerpt from it:

On the back of the head and on the back there are traces of damage by the probe from the words of Mr. V. Askinadze, who recognized Dubinin.

So, two injuries of Dubinina’s body are recorded in a protocol drawn up at the scene, but in the CourtMedExpertise Act, signed by the expert Reborn on the back and neck of the body, the injuries are not indicated at all.

It turns out that the Court MedExpert did not see what the prosecutor and the witnesses saw who signed the protocol. Why he chose not to notice these injuries can be explained only by one thing, I would have to describe them in order to point out that the damage on his back is a very specific intravital injury.

A bold statement, I do not argue, we need additional facts to translate it into the area of ​​the proven circumstances of Dubinina’s death, and they exist.
There is another photo of Dubinina’s body, which also confirms the presence of damage on the back, not only of the clothing, but also of the body itself, here it is, albeit of very poor quality:

In the photo, the body of Dubinina after extraction from the stream and drawing up an examination report, it is clear that the clothes are pulled up on the back in the area of ​​damage and there is a dark spot on the skin. Apparently this is a bruise, but then this damage is lifetime, the bruise of a search probe cannot form a bruise of a body that has lain for four months.

Next is Tibo's body, look at the characteristic bend of the hand, a notebook was clamped in it, but more on that later.

In addition to the damage to the body Dubinina there is evidence of an eyewitness, a search engine (student Askinadzi) who discovered the body Dubinina claimed that he damaged the body only in the neck, here are his words:

... ... These events were before lunch, and after I took one probe, and the rest watched (not because they did not want to work, but agreed, just to do, as in geology, a test pit). It was then that I hit the neck of Luda.

So it can be reasonably argued that the damage on Dubinina’s back was in his lifetime. But this is not enough to make the fact of the presence of lifetime damage on his back with secret information; on Dubinina’s body, several lifetime injuries incompatible with life were discovered; no one tried to hide them.

The only reason for the mystery in this particular case can only be the nature of a lifetime injury, either a knife (bayonet) channel or a bullet channel.

In this case, when the deliberate nature of Dubinina’s death became apparent, it made sense to conceal the fact of injury on his back.

Missing document

In the investigation materials there is no document describing the state of the last three bodies of tourists, in other words, the state of the three bodies is not fixed at the scene. This has already led to a lot of speculation about a camera and a notebook found on the bodies of Zolotaryov and Tibo.

First, we know about the notebook, from the words of the Askinadzi search engine, that a notebook and a pencil were found in the hands of the body with two clocks. At the time of extraction, this body was mistakenly identified as Zolotaryov’s body, but on the basis of the CourtMedExpertise act we know that two watches were on Nikolay Thibault’s hand. There is no reason to doubt the testimony of an eyewitness to the events, so there was a notebook, not only Zolotarev, but Tibo.

You can see it in this picture, the place is highlighted:

It can be seen that a dark rectangular object is clamped in the palm of the right hand (only the edge is visible), apparently this is the notorious notebook.
It was clear why the bodies were mistaken in identifying bodies at the scene of events, none of the search engines of the victims personally knew, the bodies were badly damaged and identification was made only on the basis of a verbal description.

The fate of this notebook is unknown, there is no official mention of it.

You can talk about the fifth camera by focusing on a photograph of the body taken from the stream, you can see camera toli on the chest, toli leather case from the camera. Here is this snapshot:

But in the act SudMedExpertiza Zolotarev body at this place indicated the presence of a protective mask, it is impossible to confuse a cloth mask with a camera, the picture is quite clear.

In the existence of the fifth camera, there is almost no doubt he was. Evidence of this is in the materials of the investigation, the fact is that officially four cameras were found in a tent. A month after the investigation was completed, the cameras and watches were handed over to the relatives of the victims, about which receipts were made.

There are documents for the transfer of four cameras to the relatives of the deceased tourists, these are Kolevatov, Slobodin, Zolotarev, Dyatlov.

But it is authentically known that another camera was with Nikolai Tibo, the investigator Ivanov returned only his watch to his relatives, but he did not return the camera, arguing that it had strong radiation.

This receipt, Tibo's camera is not mentioned in it, only hours and photos were transmitted:

So it can be argued that Zolotarev was discovered with a camera belonging to Nikolai Tibo, the fate of this physical evidence is unknown.

Let me remind you once again that there are no documents on the examination of the last three bodies in the investigation materials, although according to the Code of Criminal Procedure there must be such a document, and this was what the witness said:

... ..we saw it in a state of extreme tension and nervousness. Moreover, we saw them in a very short time. They pulled out of the stream, wrapped them in sleeping bags from sleeping bags and special bags that the pilots brought, signed the act quickly, and the corpses flew away.

Consequently, after extracting the last bodies, the protocol was signed, and this is not the document that was made by the prosecutor Tempelov, since it indicated that the last three bodies had not yet been extracted from the stream.

But this most important protocol for examining the last three bodies did not get into the investigation materials.

Official forgery

And now let's see how the above reasoning agrees with the official materials of the investigation, here is a selection of scans:

The first scan is a list of documents in the case, the 75 and 76 numbers indicate different documents, apparently the second document under the 76 number is the “lost” protocol for examining the last bodies, but instead it is inserted into the handwritten version of the document under the 75 number. As they say, comments are superfluous ...

And one more discrepancy, here's the decision to dismiss the case, which investigator Ivanov tried to “push through”, mentioning the radioactive contamination of things:

What remnants of Krivonishchenko’s trousers on Dubinina’s leg are we talking about? What we don't know yet?

According to the act SudMedExpertiza on the body Dubinina found:

And according to the protocol of the body survey at the place of detection at Dubinina, there were:

So there are three versions at once, on the leg of Dubinina there is a winding from Coedy trousers, a piece of jacket, a piece of sweater.

And this is all in the materials of one investigative case on the only but very important circumstance .... And besides this, on Dubinina’s body, on the spot where she found two toes on her left leg, the presence of a winding on her right leg was also indicated there.

And in the act of Sudmedekspertiza five socks and a winding on the left foot are indicated at once.

It is still possible to confuse the right foot with the left, but it is impossible to make a mistake with the number of socks, everyone can count to five. It means that after the removal of the body from the scene and before the official examination of the body by the medical examiner, the Reborn has at least stripped the body, but put it back on the wrong way and confused the socks.

There is no protocol for this unknown strip-dressing in the case file.

Lost Snapshot

There is another lost document, and it is also very important, the fact is that in the investigation materials there are no pictures of only one body at the place of detection, the Kolmogorov body. The picture was, it is known from the protocol, here is an excerpt:

Face in blood. On the back near the loins of the abrasion, bleed. It can be assumed that, according to the position of the body, Kolmogorov tried not to climb, uphill, but to stay in place. The corpse is photographed.

Of all the bodies found on the mountainside, it is Kolmogorov’s body that causes the most questions, because judging by the picture of her body in the morgue, and the verbal description in the protocol she died in a very characteristic pose, it is important to know how her body was located on the ground, this could clarify the cause of her death. The photograph must be “lost” in the investigation materials, but look, here is a snapshot from the archive of investigator Ivanov:

On the back of the picture there is an explanation that this is one of the bodies found on the slope, pictures on the area of ​​the bodies of Dyatlov and Slobodin are in the public domain, there is a completely different landscape. This means that Kolmogorova’s body was under retouching, there were no other bodies on the slope of the 1079 height.

Someone retouched the body, the original image itself is not in the public domain, but it can be seen that the retouching was already done on the scanned image (beyond the boundaries of the image) ...

Apparently this is the picture of Kolmogorov’s body, which is referred to in the protocol, but instead of the investigative folders, he ended up in the investigator’s personal archive.

It turns out that even now someone is trying to "whiten" this historywhy and who needs it, where did the original picture go, why did the investigator value them so much?

Mysterious pictures

There are two more shots that must be in the case file, but are in a private archive. These pictures are referenced by the investigation, justifying the installation time of the tent on the slope of height 1079, so that, according to the requirements of the Code of Criminal Procedure, they should be attached to the case file.

But they are not there, the same story as with a picture of Kolmogorov’s body, as a hypothesis, we can assume that these pictures were printed from negatives in several copies, those that were in the materials of the investigation "disappeared", and those that were kept by investigator Ivanov in the personal archive now we are studying.

Here are these mysterious pictures, it was made at intervals of no more than 10-15 seconds, from the same point, it is believed that the tourists on them clear a place under the tent at the last night.

Immediately test for intelligence, how many people can be counted in the pictures?

I counted seven people (marked with red markers); the three are clearly distinguishable, two skis in the background have changed position in these 10-15 seconds, so they are in the hands of two more people. One can see the hand of a man leaning on the snow near the backpack, and another hand with the ski stick in the background.

So, it turns out that seven people are clearing the slope, everything seems logical for the time being, seven men do the hard work, two girls stand by and shoot.

But then everything becomes incomprehensible, if you focus on the shadows, taking into account the time (evening), then this place should be located on the southwestern slope of the mountain.

But the tent is found on the northeast slope!

Here is an excerpt from the protocol:

The lodging place is located on the North-Eastern slope of the 1079 height in the headwaters of the Auspii River. The accommodation is located in 300 m. From the top of the mountain 1079 under the slope of the mountain 30 °.

So the place in the picture is not at all the place where the tent is found, besides this, the depth of the tent found by the search engines does not correspond to the hole that the tourists dug in the pictures, it has at least a meter of depth along the top edge.

Even focusing only on these two pictures, it can be said that the chronology of events was represented completely wrong by the result, there was at least one more night in the mountainous terrain, and it was the preparation for this night that was captured in the pictures.

Most likely because of a discrepancy in chronology and these photos were removed from the official materials of the investigation.

Tacit control

We will not blame investigator Ivanov for incompetence and the collapse of the case, quite the contrary, this person did everything he could to ensure that events on the pass were not forgotten, we should be grateful to him for having come so much factual material.

The investigator was “squeezed” by circumstances that significantly limited his capabilities and reduced his attempts to find the truth in the area of ​​punishable amateur performance. Ivanov later talked about the pressure from the party functionaries and the prosecution authorities.

In spite of this, he managed to leave references to “glowing balls” in the investigation materials, carried out radiological examination at the level of amateur performances, tried to “push” radiation information into the decision to close the investigation.

But there seemed to be another unofficial control, which Ivanov never mentioned. This control was “lit up” only once, the search engine Askinadzi speaks about the presence of absolutely extraneous silent and attentively examining the place of people on the examination procedure of the last bodies….

Only by influencing a consequence of some secret force (KGB?) Can one explain the contradictory behavior of the investigator, who, on the one hand, showed obvious diligence in clarifying all the circumstances of the case, and on the other hand, say, streamlined, showed “negligence” at the stage of finding the last four bodies.

There is the only explanation for the variability of Ivanov’s behavior, where he had the opportunity to work independently, what is called “digging” the land, but where he was tightly controlled, he defiantly became an “extra”, and even a stranger noticed this.

So, the camera Zolotarev, a notebook in the hands of Tibo, the protocols of the real state of the bodies at the site of the offensive and surely much more fell into the hands of very different people.

The conclusion for me will formulate the witness

The search for Askinadzi describes the general mood of the investigation in the person of Prosecutor Tempelov and Investigator Ivanov, here are excerpts from his memoirs:

... ... In my opinion, Ivanov to the flooring and did not fit. From a distance I looked at the fir-trees without tops and went to the corpses. By the way, I noticed that Ivanov did not record anything, did not photograph anything. It seems that he is not interested, and he knows in advance the cause of death and what will happen next.

And more:

... ... Today it is already known that, for example, Ivanov confused this matter more (not on his own will) than he investigated. I think that he was only a pawn, providing basic information for more serious organizations. It was they who had complete information, including closed channels.
I have already spoken about the prosecutor. He did not record anything and did not photograph anything. All of his conclusions - cabinet fiction.

Therefore, there is no protocol for examining the last three bodies, the fate of the camera from Zolotarev’s body and the notebook from the hands of Nikolai Tibo is unknown.

At the same time, this explains the discrepancies in the protocols regarding the damage on the body of Dubinina, and the retouching and disappearance of photos from the official folders of the investigation.

Cause of death

Now it is possible to speculate a little over these riddles of the investigation. The investigator was attracted by certain areas on the bodies of Dubinina and Slobodin, two bodies with clothing damaged on the back and an incomprehensible trauma to the body under this injury.

All this looks like an exit bullet hole, but there is no inlet ..., this does not happen, mystic, aliens ...

And then there is Tibo's body with a notebook in his hand and a fractured skull and without damaged skin over the break point, this does not happen, again mysticism, again aliens ...

And these incomprehensible radioactive stains on the clothes of tourists, also mystic and again aliens ...

Apparently because of these inexplicable facts, investigator Ivanov believed that the cause of the event on the pass was a UFO.

The investigation did not know about the existence of such “bullets”:

These "bullets" have a diameter of one and a half millimeters and fly at a speed of 1400m / sec; they are not even arrows, but needles.
In the USSR, similar bullets were developed, in 1960, there is even a copyright certificate N 22527 with priority from 1 June 1960. Here's what they looked like:

If such a needle enters the human body, then the inlet will be practically indistinguishable, the outlet will become noticeable only if the needle is braked in the body, then it will lose stability and break into pieces.

Apparently it was precisely such exit holes that the investigators found on the bodies of Dubinina and Slobodin, but could not identify them with the types of rifle guns known at that time. weapons.

It is no secret that high-speed ammunition is made from uranium, so that radioactive stains found on tourists' clothes have their own logical explanation.

Naturally, it was not these needles that were used, which in photographs, in events on the pass, a more advanced technology was involved, but their operating principle was just that - the miniature dimensions are very high speed, the uranium core.

It is even hard for specialists to believe that miniature needles weighing less than a gram can cause fatal injuries to a person. Out of habit, everyone associates the damaging factor of a bullet with mechanical damage to the body, but at speeds greater than 1400 m / s (maximum speed of sound propagation in the human body) the shock wave inside the body becomes the main damaging factor, in fact a person dies from a "shake" - a contusion.

In this case, the geometric dimensions of the "bullet" are absolutely not important, it is important that the bullet moves in the body at a speed higher than the speed of sound propagation.

Such a shock wave inside the body is capable of breaking bones and, oddly enough, it sounds, to stop a wristwatch ...

And one more peculiarity of this needle, no matter where it gets, even to the finger, a person will still receive a deadly contusion, the fact is that in liquid and solid bodies the shock wave is transmitted almost without weakening the entire volume of the body.

This is physics, as they say, “nothing personal” ...

But while the hypothesis is only about the assumption that a high-speed miniature bullet is used, the following material in this series of articles will be devoted to confirming this statement in more detail with the circumstances of each tourist’s death.

Comments

[engineer74]

Thoughtful analysis on the one hand, and fantastic hypotheses again. It is not clear why to use exotic hypersonic uranium bullets for tourists, which have not been lit anywhere, either before or after. President D. Kennedy was killed by ordinary rifles and everyone is happy!

[Parabelum]

+100500
One thing is not clear to me, if it was like a "bloody gebnya" shooting, why then this search? They would immediately cordon off the area, send their search engines, the corpses were carefully removed or or buried. Then they said: "They did not find anything, they were missing." Total business. Few people disappear in the mountains.
IMHO another far-fetched fantastic version.

[Maximars]

I found a letter on the forum, supposedly a member of the search and rescue expedition.
http://pereval1959.forum24.ru/?1-22-0-00000138-000-0-0-1363422321

[Stalinets]

Not true . The driver shot him, with a completely different weapon, read William Cooper.

[carbofo]

If circumstances do not have logical prerequisites for the natural causes of death, I mean: an avalanche, animals or a banal murder with a firearm.
Behind the scenes, interest in the KGB investigation, and one of the people on the expedition indirectly involved in the KGB, this can be interpreted in two ways, either they are interested in the circumstances of the death of the secret officer, or he was on a mission that it was also of interest, or it was not a group of interest namely, the area or what was happening on it or there were objects that belong to the area of ​​responsibility of the KGB.
I'm interested in the moment

Based on the maximum contamination level of 9900 dpm. 150 sq. cm of the surface, the calculations show that the level of "vibroacoustic treatment" of the sweater is only slightly higher than the natural background in Yekaterinburg - 10 - 18 μR / hour.

It can be assumed that such an increase in contamination with radionuclides is the result of atmospheric fallouts from nuclear weapons tests at the northern test sites. It is noteworthy that it was on the sweater that the maximum levels of contamination were found. Perhaps this is due to the rather high sorption properties of the material, which could adsorb radioactive substances from melt water. "Http://nov.docdat.com/docs/index-22496.html? Page = 7

If you do not look at other facts, then the KGB’s interest is already // radioactive materials with an increased background // here’s a private interest in the death of the group from the KGB, since at that time they were interested in everything related to radioactivity.
it seems to me if you decompose each episode into a particular one and then put it together, the targeted KGB interest in the case can already be traced.
But I can’t do that, too much information.
Since the facts are few and the majority are only indirect or personal impressions.
I have 3 versions.
Conspirological, the KGB knew everything or was aware of something, and observed or had an observer in the group - the only question is what were they looking for / studying?
2 options follow from this, the Group went for reconnaissance, possibly without knowing it, or knew but did not understand the consequences.
The second version, the group was in the wrong place at the wrong time, they either had information about its presence or it was received in the process, I am basing this on the start date of the case.

[carbofo]

Here is another episode, in addition to the frame, there was an extraneous mention of the fire, as a result of which the authorities could have opened a case about the fires, but later included the death of the group and transferred the materials to the police, removing some details from them.
This is a possible reason why the date of the case is precisely this, and not upon the fact of finding the bodies.
If 1 moment that bothers me, why they weren’t found by the KGB and so late.
Although their route was fairly well known.
Either nothing was known about the group until they were found, and the KGB was only interested in the circumstances of the death and a possible connection with the events in the area.
By the way, if anyone is in the know, let’s correct, we don’t use arrow-shaped ammunition, although there are test developments, but I recall that somewhere the army of democrats (USA) dabbled in such ammunition, I would like to comment on this issue.

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

it is necessary to raise the archives of the USSR Ministry of Defense - whether any tests of any weapons were carried out in this area at this point in time.

[svp67]

Thanks to the author for the interesting "material for thought"

[Yarbay]

[quote = svp67] Thanks to the author for the interesting "material for thought"
Thanks of course, but the author made inaccuracies!
The fifth photo camera was issued to relatives in a month, in fact it is !!
That is, the fate of the 5th photo camera is known!

[smart ass]

I read to the end ... and at the end bam !! NEEDLES !!!!!!!! Ahahahaa

[ATATA]

I read a lot on the Internet, probably everything that can be found on this incident on the network.
And he came to the conclusion that if you do not look for a black cat in a dark room, then everything is understandable.
Avalanche.
But there was a much more mysterious case with geologists in Yakutia, it seems in the late 70s.
There are much more questions and there is not much information on the network, practically none.

[svp67]

Quote: ATATA

And he came to the conclusion that if you do not look for a black cat in a dark room, then everything is understandable.
Avalanche.

You won’t run away from the avalanche, and why the tent would remain in place, if it weren’t the avalanche itself, then it would be blown up or torn apart, at least through the slot ... No avalanche is not suitable ... So the truth is somewhere nearby ... .

[ATATA]

Quote: svp67

You won’t run away from the avalanche, and why the tent would remain in place, if it weren’t the avalanche itself, then it would be blown up or torn apart, at least through the slot ... No avalanche is not suitable ... So the truth is somewhere nearby ... .

An avalanche passed by. maybe not even an avalanche, but a slippage of snow cover. And people in the dark, in a panic, rushed out. And do not forget that about with all their preparation, they were lovers, not professionals.
The tent is dark, at the exit of a traffic jam, you need to quickly run out. He waved his knife and run, after him all the rest into the light.

[Parabelum]

The depth of snow (1,2 - 2 meters) allowed the Dyatlovites to put up a tent on a slope: the width of the tent was about 2 m. At the same time, the digging of the snow layer (cutting the snow layer so that the tent stood flat), apparently, was performed to the entire or almost the entire depth, - This caused stress of the mass of snow lying above the tent. This layer has lost support on the underlying snow layer. Additional load on the snow layer lying above the tent could have arisen a little later due to fresh snow.
In this case, there could be wasps — a landslide due to clipping of the slope above the tent, a “spool” as a result of the collapse of the cornice (such collapses were observed by I. Popov [6] on the slopes of this mountain more than once) or a small but fast “snow ”An avalanche of loose fresh snow accumulated on a slope above the tent. Starting with the “wasp”, we nevertheless came to the conclusion that, most likely, there was either a “reel” from the collapse of the cornice, or a quick “snow-covered” avalanche of fresh snow — these avalanche formations could leave a faint trace, which 3 weeks so covered with snow and leveled by the wind that the search engines did not notice him. There was a “limited power avalanche”

[Prometey]

Quote: Parabelum

Parabelum

The landslide will not cause such "strange" damage to the body, while not damaging the limbs - where are the dislocations, fractures?

[Parabelum]

Which are weird? Fractures of the ribs, injuries, by the way, are generally characteristic of an avalanche:
Several participants were crushed, - Kolya Thibault-Brignoles suffered the most, - he received a fracture and an indentation of the temporal bone, - apparently, due to the concentration of the load on the head while resting it on a hard object (the camera, as Axelrod believes). Lyusya Dubinina, received a two-sided fracture of the ribs, also, possibly due to concentration of the load through the tent fabric and the ski stick or the ski (which the tent rested on) littered with landslide. Zolotarev received a one-sided fracture of the ribs. Slobodin received a head injury (a crack in his skull was found). At first, we believed that the skull injury of Thibault-Brignoles could have occurred later, on the descent during falls and bumps. But with a closer examination of the nature of the injury, it became clear that it could hardly have arisen as a result of an impact during a fall or as a result of an impact of a fragment. In these cases, there would have been obvious damage to the soft tissues, but they, according to the forensic expert (in his answers to the investigator's questions), were not. It can be assumed, of course, that such a trauma could occur if you fall and hit your head through the cap, but the presence of a shock-absorbing cap on the cap makes such trauma extremely unlikely. Moreover, the steepness of the slope on the slope was small (only 15 ° below the tent, and then even less), and the snow thickness was significant that year. Such a local injury could not have arisen under the influence of an air wave of the explosion: the wave of the explosion could flatten the whole head, but not one temporal bone. Slobodin's cranial injury could also have occurred during uneven freezing of the head (due to thermal stresses in the skull). Some damage could occur when trying to get rid of the blockage.

[Prometey]

Quote: Parabelum

Several participants were crushed,

So, but how did they end up 1 km from the ravine with these injuries? Dubinina and Thibault had injuries incompatible with life, i.e. with such injuries do not move on their own. Although the investigation said that everyone on their feet left the tent.

[Kushadasov]

The whole mosaic is taking shape. One thing is not clear. The medical examiner rated Dubinina’s injuries as fatal and violent. It is surprising how she could move even with reliance on her comrades. Or all the same, they brought her already dead down ... There are uncertainties in these details, and there is no doubt that the elements killed the tourists.

[Prometey]

Quote: Kushadasov

The medical examiner rated Dubinina’s injuries as fatal and violent. It is surprising how she could move even with reliance on her comrades.

They wrote on some forum that the position of the body at the time of its discovery indicated that she had died where she fell back on her knees. And what is the position of the body can accept only when a person quickly found his death.

[Yarbay]

Alexey!
But what about the fact that people died at different times, ran, climbed a tree ??

[b0bi]

If there was an avalanche, then experienced tourists would leave from it not down but to the side. And what's the point of sitting down a few hours after the avalanche and being afraid to return to the tent? And there are a lot of similar problems with the avalanche. At least take the pose and distance from the tent in which the majority died. The avalanche version, in my opinion, is the most ridiculous.

[Begemot]

they may very well, in 2000 m on 14 snowmobiles we went on a 70 km hike, halfway the leader and the second got stuck in a ravine, 20 meters deep, slopes of 30-40 degrees. They tied 4 ropes, threw them down, tied three snowmobiles with a "train" and began to pull. The rope lay unevenly and, when pulled, cut off a snow cornice 2,5x1,5 meters in size, the guys below were pushing the snowmobile, they did not see a piece of the cornice fly at them, when the engine was running, they did not hear screams. One at the last moment raised his head, managed to dodge a little. As a result: one has a compression fracture of the spine, arm fractures, dislocated joints, rupture of ligaments, the second has a fracture of the clavicle and dislocations. Only the presence of snowmobile armored suits and helmets saved from death. So the version of an avalanche and subsequent freezing is the most likely.
And I held such bullets in my hands, they were not in service in any structure of the USSR. The version of the murder does not hold water. In the event of a murder, they should not have been found at all.

[Prometey]

Quote: Begemot

As a result: one has a compression fracture of the spine, fractures of the hands, dislocation of the joints, rupture of ligaments, and the second has a fracture of the clavicle and dislocation.

That is, when a certain mass is exposed to a person, dislocations and fractures of joints and bones are inevitable. And here - ribs are broken, the skull is broken, chest injuries, but the arms and legs are intact!

[svp67]

Quote: Parabelum

There was a “limited power avalanche”

Which left in place and did not touch the tent and did not prevent them from making an attempt to go back ... somehow everything is "attracted"

[Parabelum]

A line from the radiogram of the search engines: “Things are taken from a depth of up to 2,3 m ...” speaks not only about the depth of snow when setting up the tent, but also about what layer of snow the tent “buried” with an avalanche. Perhaps, immediately after the avalanche, this layer was not 2,3 m (at maximum depth), but even more, and part of the snow was later blown away by the wind. And before the avalanche descended, the snow layer was thinner. Rescuers who came to the tent noted that there was not too much snow, however, a depth of 2,3 m seemed significant. Immediately after the avalanche, it could be noticeably larger, and part of the snow was then blown away by the wind, part simply evaporated, and part was compacted in 3 weeks (the evaporation and snow compaction factors are significant under the influence of wind on the eastern slope) ..

[svp67]

Quote: Parabelum

A line from the radiograms of the search engines: “Things are extracted from depths up to 2,3 m ...” speaks not only about the depth of snow when setting up the tent,

Things????? And there it is not indicated in which place. Since judging by the photo, the tent was not buried under such a thickness of snow

[Parabelum]

I am not an expert in meteogeology, but I fully admit the possibility that "immediately after the avalanche, it could have been noticeably larger, and some of the snow was then blown away by the wind, some simply evaporated, and some thickened in 3 weeks (factors of evaporation and compaction of snow are significant under conditions wind impact on an east-facing slope) .. "

[svp67]

Quote: Parabelum

I am not an expert in meteogeology, but I fully admit the possibility that "immediately after the avalanche, it could have been noticeably larger,

The "avalanche snow" that that cement falls asleep qualitatively, like in a quagmire and then quickly grasps in the cold, which is why in most cases people cannot dig themselves out ..

[Parabelum]

Perhaps there were attempts to dig out the tent, but new snow was falling on it, and there was the danger of a new avalanche (there could be a gathering of new masses of snow). Mentally and physically, it was very difficult to enter behind things back into the tent, crushed by snow. Pulling out a tent with things from under a piled-up mass of snow was unrealistic, and it would be very dangerous to “pull an avalanche by the tail” in this way.
On a steep slope, in the snow and in the wind, with seriously injured comrades in their arms ... What should I do? Do it urgently! In such a situation, it’s hard not to lose your head! In place of the ravaged tent there is a snowy “waterfall”, ready to break into a new avalanche (attempts to dig out the tent could have been futile if new snow was poured onto it with jets).
Tourists were forced to leave the place of the night, having injured comrades, because of the threat of a repeated avalanche.

[svp67]

Quote: Parabelum

Perhaps there were attempts to dig out the tent, but new snow was falling on it, and there was a danger of a new avalanche (there could be a gathering of new masses of snow)

Once again, pay attention to the photo - the "skates" of the tent are intact, if an avalanche the tarpaulin would have been torn in this place, the snow on the tent most likely fell in a different way - falling from the sky ...

[svp67]

Quote: ATATA

An avalanche passed by.

When an avalanche occurs, this is accompanied by a strong air impact - the area exceeding the area of ​​the avalanche itself - the force of air pressure and impact is such that the tent would tear or even tear, through the same cut. Once again I say, an avalanche cannot be explained - except as a threat of its descent, but what could make it clear to them that this threat is real, that’s the question ...

[Parabelum]

Avalanche, avalanche strife.
It is important to note the following circumstance: “an avalanche of limited power” (the collapse of a cornice, or a ground, wasps) had little energy and mass. A powerful avalanche with a large impulse of mass and speed would easily crush both the tent and the tourists. The following reasons could have contributed to the avalanche descent: cutting the snowy slope above the tent, a sharp drop in temperature (as recorded in the nearest town of Ivdel: from minus 11 to minus 22-24. And at the scene of the accident, apparently, to minus 25. And the accumulation of fresh snow on the leeward slope, gusts of wind on a blown (open, treeless) mountain slope, the formation of a layer of deep frost in the snow above the tent.

[shpuntik]

At the same time, the digging of the snow layer (cutting the snow layer so that the tent stood flat), apparently, was performed to the entire or almost the entire depth - this caused the stress of the mass of snow lying above the tent.

Often an avalanche of a person falls asleep, with a notebook in his hand? Everyone was dressed, not in sleeping bags, with a camera around his neck. The place for the tent was chosen on a flat area, the group was experienced, not their first trip, as I understand it.

[Parabelum]

You shouldn’t be so, the group was inexperienced:
Another such moment. The group had, it seems, enough experience to make such a trip. But for a similar accident, the group, it seems (judging by the result) was not prepared. As follows from the protocols of interrogation of witnesses, from the entire group only Woodpeckers had experience of cold spending the night (without a stove and a fire) at a height outside the forest zone. The participants had experience of two to four trips, and the leader additionally experienced two or three trips by the leader. In general, the experience is small: according to current requirements, Igor Dyatlov still didn’t even reach the first category (the requirement for first-rate students is now 4-5 campaigns. So, by today's standards, the Dyatlov group’s campaign was a campaign of the third or fourth difficulty category. Not really above the “four.” Their experience and strength must be assessed realistically. By the current standards, the Woodpeckers walked a little more than half the way ... They were “experienced” tourists for beginners and people completely unprepared. For the “masters,” their group according to modern ideas had and the average level of training (at the level of the average tourist training schools).
For a number of signs, this group was not very strong and strong-willed. For example, a strong, experienced and strong-willed sports group would not go out “relatively early at 10 o’clock” (as Dyatlov wrote in the diary) - it would go out “relatively early at 6 o’clock” in order to make maximum use of daylight hours. Or another fact: two spent more than an hour assembling the stove! .. How “perfect” was their stove and how “great” were they able to assemble it. The group for all indicators was “average”. We do not want to somehow “belittle” them in any way or point to their “unpreparedness,” no! We only indicate their real capabilities and their “safety margins” for such a situation.
Read http://www.mountain.ru/article/article_display1.php?article_id=806 very interesting

[shpuntik]

Parabelum Today, 12:53 PM ↑
You shouldn’t be so, the group was inexperienced ...

"... Such a tourist was Dyatlov. Almost from year to year he was the leader of hikes, ranging from category I to the most difficult III category. For two years Dyatlov worked in the section bureau. He was constantly asked for advice on technical and tactical issues. less experienced tourists. " Source: witness interrogation. https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n

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“All of us here have come to a unanimous opinion that the tent was set up according to all tourist and mountaineering rules. The slope on which the tent stood does not pose any danger. The steepness of the slope is 15-18 °.
Below the tent, on the snowy slope, there are traces, several chains. This indicates that the group escaped from the tent and that it could not roll down the slope. If we assume that someone left the tent and for some reason rolled down, then he would fly no more than 10-20 meters. In this case, always, in the strongest wind, there was a real opportunity to return to the tent. Return to the tent from the cedar, which is located 1,5 km. down the slope, without shoes, even the healthiest person is impossible. "
The avalanche descent is a good version, it explains a lot in uninhabited places. But she sweeps traces. And the tracks lead to the cedar, to which 1500 m.

It's not about complexity groups, but about the merit of tourists, about: what made people leave barefoot for the night? And how was it necessary to be afraid, to return for warm things, if you lit a fire? Quote: "From the inspection of the place, it became clear that there were not two people here, but more, because a titanic work had been done to procure firewood and spruce branches."
If a person is well versed in avalanche-prone areas or has found a "nuclear" bullet, this does not mean that he has reason to "pull the ears" under his version of mysterious facts.
The investigation was conducted by: Prosecutor-criminalist Ivanov (signature). If the forensic scientist puts the verdict: "Dyatlov's group was killed by an unknown force," then you should not grab any opportunity to explain the inexplicable, but pay attention to the name of the mountain: Kholat-Syakhl, translated from Mansi as "Mountain of the Dead". And the fact that there are "black spots" is what any Buryat will tell you, and not only Buryats.

[IllI4]

Thanks for the link. Everything is clearly and sensibly painted.

[crocodile25]

Quote: shpuntik

Often an avalanche of a person falls asleep, with a notebook in his hand? Everyone was dressed, not in sleeping bags, with a camera around his neck.

By the way, yes, cameras and notebooks with them and the shoes did not find some crap !!!

[crocodile25]

What the hell is an avalanche, an experimental group is scattering who's where some nonsense is, from which people broke the thickest branches of trees to make a fire, etc, etc !?

[Yarbay]

Quote: krokodil25

What the hell is an avalanche, an experimental group is scattering who's where some nonsense is, from which people broke the thickest branches of trees to make a fire, etc, etc !?

I completely agree!!
Not an avalanche for sure !!

[Prometey]

Quote: ATATA

An avalanche passed by.

If the accident has already happened, there’s no reason to run away headlong, all the more so in socks and without shoes. Coming out of the tent, they would first of all, dig out clothes.

[Kalita]

Why didn’t they return to the tent after the avalanche? And why fled in different directions?

[Fregate]

And here about the avalanche. After all, some of them have no eyes and someone has a tongue. If they were lying in the open snow, then this can be explained, maybe the animals ate, but if an avalanche came down and they were under the snow, where did the eyes and tongue go?

[kind]

Even if they were killed, the question arises, why ???

[svp67]

Quote: Good

Even if they were killed, the question arises, why ???

Probably still more important WHY? And why, and so it is clear - a dead witness, the best witness, that’s why they were ALLOWED TO FIND the same question from the questions ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: svp67

Probably still more important WHY? And why, and so it is clear - a dead witness, the best witness, that’s why they were ALLOWED TO FIND the same question from the questions ...

if the murder was killed * strangers *!

[Prometey]

Quote: Yarbay

if the murder was killed * strangers *!

I had the thought that Predator was hunting there

[Yarbay]

Quote: Prometey

I had the thought that Predator was hunting there

I don’t know, but I don’t understand how these bullets could knock out ribs, break a skull!

[Stalinets]

Or "why" or "why" ......

[smart ass]

I read the first and second parts ... At first I was glad that the author relies on facts, does not compose delusional undertakings)) and at the end bam! "SECOND SHIFT" (JOKE) Well, what the hell needles ?? Well, why! ??? Why kill "evil" KGB officers, nothing innocent students with super modern weapons, and even in the mountains ???

[Prometey]

The death of the Dyatlov group only for society is a secret, most likely, the reason for their death has long been known to those who have access to classified materials. After all, there is no guarantee that only part of the investigation material was discovered, and most of the material evidence may have been seized and hidden at the investigation stage. Another question is why they are still hiding. There can be 2 reasons for this - either there really is something to hide and who, or they believe that society is not ready to perceive the true cause of death.
As for the author's version of bullets-needles voiced here, I would not even be surprised. There is no guarantee that the forensic experts did not enter "extra" details into the protocol. The only question is, what kind of weapon can give such an initial velocity to a bullet - an electromagnetic gun, which is just being developed?
And as I read the different versions, I had questions: why do people think that it was Dyatlovites who built the flooring in the ravine, and it was after leaving the tent? Or maybe in parallel with the installation of the tent, the group that died in the ravine and did the flooring? And why could outsiders not make a bonfire near the cedar?
And so in fact, it seems that the case is molded so as to deliberately confuse. After all, something is clearly not shown. Some small details are missing, which is the key to the solution.

[AK-47]

Krivonischenko's trousers, Zolotarev's sweater, and Thibault's camera had strong radiation.

Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?
In my opinion, it is the key to this tragedy, to find out how it got on these objects and what unites these people.

[svp67]

Quote: AK-47

Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?

Many of them have already completed their studies at UPI and worked, in particular at the "Mayak", and there this "muck" was enough for the whole earth ...

[Prometey]

Quote: AK-47

Why would it be, different people, individual objects and radioactivity?
In my opinion, it is the key to this tragedy, to find out how it got on these objects and what unites these people.

Perhaps you `re right. Maybe it’s worth raising the question at all - what was the true goal of the Dyatlov expedition. And there is a good chance that it was no coincidence that an employee of the Mayak PA went with the UPI students - why - to look at the God-forgotten place?
Now about radiation. There is nothing supernatural about it. In 1957, a regional accident occurred at Mayak (we are typing in the East Ural radioactive trace in a search engine). Naturally, the public knew little about this accident. Much later, they made a map of this EURT. The territories of the Chelyabinsk and Kurgan regions were infected with beta particles. Then they might not know for sure the exact direction of the passage of the radioactive trace. Dyatlov's group, under the guise of a tourist trip, could go in order to determine the traces of the presence of a radioactive trace. And it is worth finding out where Krivonischenko had been before (not necessarily his clothes "caught" radiation at the "Mayak"). He could visit areas prone to infection. And one more thing, Dyatlov's group consists of physics students, if I'm not mistaken. Is it accidental or not that there is not a single humanist?
Further we can only make logical assumptions. Or the group became a victim of a conflict between two "departments" - nuclear scientists and those who obviously wanted to hide something. Well, the investigation is somehow really confusing and everything looks strange.

[svp67]

Quote: Prometey

Perhaps you `re right

The "trail" itself runs much to the east of the places where the expedition took place. Here, of course, is a secret of secrets, to which someone clearly has a relationship. I think that this tragedy is the work of human hands, but it turned out to be so awkward, because the ministries really could not agree, here I agree with you.

[Prometey]

Quote: svp67

The "trail" itself runs much to the east of the places where the expedition took place

That is yes. Only maybe at that time they were looking for his tracks on a larger territory. If I am not mistaken, a trace map was drawn up in the late 80s.

[shpuntik]

Prometey Today, 11:13 ↑ New
Maybe you're right. Maybe it’s worthwhile to raise the question at all - what was the true purpose of the Dyatlov expedition.

Indeed: five cameras for nine people, aren't there many? Yes, and what is there to take pictures in winter, except for snow? The goal is not clear, because hiking in the mountains in winter ... Well, this is not even discussed.
The only explanation: youthful maximalism, extreme for extreme. But it is also unlikely: as part of a group, an instructor, senior students, these are fifteen-year-old boys.

[Black]

Thanks to the author.
With regards to the most mysterious death of tourists, now it will be impossible to find out the truth. Mountains are not GB, they often have no secrets.

[Syrdon]

I am closer to the version about "controlled delivery", which for certain reasons turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly evidenced by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production related to the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a former SMERSH employee and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active undercover employee. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes and many other oddities of this case went.

[Prometey]

Quote: Syrdon

The version about "controlled delivery" is closer to me

I read about this version. She is not devoid of logic, with the exception of the moment about spies-sadists-supermen in Russian taiga wilds, which crack down on a group of tourists. At the same time, in a rage that everything breaks down, they break Dubinina’s ribs with extreme cruelty, knock out her eyes and pull out her tongue. After that, the snowman version is even closer to me.

[Massik]

there is nothing to crawl in the mountains and everything will be fine, at first we are looking for adventure on the ass, and when we find - "We didn't want to!"

[_KM_]

Why were such bullets needed in such a wilderness ?! Thousands of kilometers from the capital and such an exotic. If tourists saw something, it was easier to take a non-disclosure subscription from them. Everything would have come to naught, and there were more problems. Well, we’d like to shoot them. They would have shot with buckshot from rifles and no examination would have determined who shot - this is a feature of smooth-bore weapons. And then, WHAT students needed to know in order for them to take such rare weapons to such a wilderness.

IMHO: tourists died from completely natural causes ambassadors to leave the tent. The most important question is what drove them out of the tent?

[svp67]

Quote: _KM_

why were such bullets needed in such a wilderness ?!

As I understand it, this is just an assumption of the author ... In my opinion, it could not be bullets, but particles of some kind of device that exploded ...

[Petrix]

Quote: _KM_

what drove them out of the tent?

Maybe radiation. They opened (broke) some thing and got scared. They are physicists, they knew the consequences.
Maybe shifts of snow or the noise of an avalanche. They are sitting. Suddenly a landslide. The entrance is piled up. Cut the sidewall, ran out. They hear - there is an avalanche (somewhere), it is dark not visible. And escape to the forest.

Or maybe all the factors combined. Why is it necessary to consider only this or only that? Special services organized a campaign (with a hidden purpose) to explore the anomalous region. The group had with it radioactive substances (or found in a given area). At night, the UFO or the security of the special district decides to eliminate eyewitnesses. Shots or movements cause an avalanche.

[Prometey]

Petrix
I think your hypothesis is the most real In addition, the group could be at the center of the confrontation between traitors and strangers. The situation got out of control and the traitor activated the self-destruction device. The shock wave killed the last 4 tourists hiding in a ravine. Hence such damage. The mopping-up group first exported the corpses of aliens, and stumbled upon the bodies of tourists, so the criminal case was opened on February 6, and the search engines discovered the first corpse on the 26th.
If I were a science fiction writer, I would probably write such a plot of the book.

[Prometey]

Quote: svp67

and particles of some kind of device that exploded ...

By the way, also a fact. One of the mysteries of why the group left the tent in a hurry? Often, excitement and an inadequate reaction are observed when a sound and shock wave are exposed to the body, and a large adrenaline rush enters the bloodstream. This, in particular, was observed during the explosion of domestic gas from the neighbors of his aunt. After a powerful clap, the man in the apartment ran for 20 minutes on the porch, carrying some nonsense. After 2 days, he died from injuries of internal organs.

[shpuntik]

Immediately test for intelligence, how many people can be counted in the pictures?
I counted seven people (marked with red markers);

The author is testing me Is it easier to count skis? And let him think: do they take spare skis on such a trip? It seems to me that the author first "dug" these bullets, and then pulled his version on these bullets.
Maybe the bullets are there, but not everyone they meet has them. If the object is guarded, then which object is nearby? Thank you for the photo of the cartridge I was not in the know.
PS This cartridge is suitable for a special operation to eliminate the type, "Tipo Bandera".

[Petrix]

Why can't versions be considered just because they are less likely than others? The quality of the investigation is that it dismantles those versions that physically cannot be.

Quote: shpuntik

Is skiing easier to count?

The question is how many people are pictured, not how many skis. There may be people and skis behind the scenes. There may be spare skis. They can ski and lie on the ground. Etc.

Quote: shpuntik

then which object is nearby?

Ignorance about an object does not deny its existence.

Quote: shpuntik

Such a cartridge is suitable for special operations to eliminate the type, "Tipo Bandera"

Question: Is this a fictitious cartridge? If not, what prevents him from being there? Low probability?

[shpuntik]

Petrix Today, 15: 48 ↑
Why can't versions be considered just because they are less likely than others?
The question is how many people are pictured, not how many skis. There may be people and skis behind the scenes. There may be spare skis. They can ski and lie on the ground.

I will explain my motivation. 1) The author asks how many people are in the photo, then adds two women and says: "But then everything becomes incomprehensible, if you focus on the shadows, taking into account the time (evening), then this place should be located on the southwestern slope of the mountain." Where is the connection between the number of people and the cardinal points?
2) Skis on a slope are not laid, they can roll off even with a slight slope.
3) Can there be spare skis? They can. When the dogs pull the team. Example: long expeditions to the North. Pole. Climbers count every kilogram, and the group planned to climb Otorten
4) When opening corpses, even small fragments are found, and if a fragment is "phonite", then it can be found even in a haystack. There is a method of labeling with radionuclides.
5) It was much easier to kill everyone and cover their tracks. If the "authorities" were involved, there would be no information at all. They took the corpses, along with the tent, by helicopter where necessary, and the ends into the water.
The cartridge is not invented, in all, but a version with it is unlikely.

[Humpty]

Quote: Syrdon

I am closer to the version about "controlled delivery", which for certain reasons turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly evidenced by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production related to the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a former SMERSH employee and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active undercover employee. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes and many other oddities of this case went.

This version really quite plausibly explains the death of the group. It also has enough stretch. I can confidently say that not members of the group cut their tent. Natural reasons that forced people to leave their bivouac in this form and in those conditions do not exist. They were driven out by other people, most likely armed. Departure to the forest took place in groups or in small groups. But it’s impossible to call it organized. did not follow the trail. So they were not happy with each other, maybe even cursed. There is only one reason why you can cut a tent in cold weather if you lose your shoes. In this case, the material is cut off from the bottom of the tent, if it is not there, then from the bottom.

[Humpty]

Quote: Humpty

Quote: Syrdon

I am closer to the version about "controlled delivery", which for certain reasons turned into a complete fiasco and the death of the group. This is indirectly evidenced by the facts: radioactive clothing, two of the group members worked in a secret production related to the country's nuclear shield and most likely were employees of the authorities, another was a former SMERSH employee and there is good reason to believe that he remained an active undercover employee. This explains where the camera, notebook, clothes and many other oddities of this case went.

This version really quite plausibly explains the death of the group. It also has enough stretch. I can confidently say that not members of the group cut their tent. Natural reasons that forced people to leave their bivouac in this form and in those conditions do not exist. They were driven out by other people, most likely armed. Departure to the forest took place in groups or in small groups. But it’s impossible to call it organized. did not follow the trail. So they were not happy with each other, maybe even cursed. There is only one reason why you can cut a tent in cold weather if you lose your shoes. In this case, the material is cut off from the bottom of the tent, if it is not there, then from the bottom.

[Humpty]

Quote: Marssik

there is nothing to crawl in the mountains and everything will be fine, at first we are looking for adventure on the ass, and when we find - "We didn't want to!"

Not everyone is at home sitting and staring at nature through the screen or from the place where the SUV is stuck. Actually walking in the mountains or hiking in the winter Urals, this is a military-applied sport. Houses are always more comfortable and safer. Who is closer to the soul.

[_KM_]

Quote: Prometey

One of the mysteries of why the group left the tent in a hurry?

IMHO: this is the most important question.

Quote: Prometey

Often, excitement and an inadequate reaction are observed when a sound and shock wave are exposed to the body, and a large adrenaline rush enters the bloodstream. This, in particular, was observed during the explosion of domestic gas from the neighbors of his aunt.

IMHO: I think the source was either infrasound, or an explosion of an unknown nature.

[xoma58]

In my opinion complete nonsense. If they were to be removed from the secret services, then they simply would not have been found, that’s all. And no one would search. I think these are the causes of death of a completely natural origin, an avalanche or something similar.

[Petrix]

And for the media, a command was given to promote this topic and bring it under a UFO. It is necessary that more people believe in UFOs. Please note the main thing: there is only information around and not a single museum exhibit with access for everyone. Everyone says, but they’re not saying anything.
ps I myself do not deny UFOs, tk. their existence is logical.

[biglow]

it’s very obvious that the cause of the death of this group was an avalanche, plus the inexperience of the leader. Snow was moving, people panicked and then just froze in the cold. That's all, the rest is already particular, but what the author writes is more like sucking a version out of a finger ...

[Humpty]

Quote: biglow

it’s very obvious that the cause of the death of this group was an avalanche, plus the inexperience of the leader. Snow was moving, people panicked and then just froze in the cold. That's all, the rest is already particular, but what the author writes is more like sucking a version out of a finger ...

An avalanche is the most incredible reason for this tragedy. She was definitely not there. If you can easily understand mountain dangers, then take the trouble to explain what snow movement is, otherwise I don’t know what danger it is.

[biglow]

Quote: Humpty

Comrade Parabelum SU has already described everything in detail. I have little experience walking in the mountains in winter and see only avalanche and panic as a reason. There are such small avalanches in the Crimea to the mountains on the slopes, when there is just a shift in a large amount of snow, this is not a classic avalanche also very dangerous. Everything is very similar

[Humpty]

"Small" avalanches with a shift of large (> 10000m3) snow are certainly dangerous. Sometimes 200m3 kills a person. Only the Ural valleys and plateaus where the tragedy happened are not suitable for the formation of serious (> 500m3) avalanches.

[Prometey]

Quote: biglow

it is very obvious that the cause of the death of this group is an avalanche

I live in the Urals and honestly have never heard of avalanches in our mountains. Yes, mudflows are not uncommon, but this is completely different.
And I do not believe that all 9 people could run into panic and run half-dressed in the cold. In addition, Zolotorev was the most gifted of life experience, a veteran. Was he, having passed the war, frightened of some landslide? Not something is wrong here.

[_KM_]

In discussion on op. The forum provided a link to an avalanche hazard map and the opinion of experts, including Soviet ones. There was no avalanche danger. Another thing is that subjectively, tourists could count anything.

[Petrix]

Quote: _KM_

experts, including Soviet.

People tend to make mistakes. Probability always remains. There is no danger, but the snow has fallen and the temperature has changed, and the danger has already appeared.

[DmitryK]

I was on this pass several times in the winter on a snowmobile. There is nowhere to get an avalanche, the slope is small and most importantly (after all, the avalanche goes from above) on a mountain of snow there is almost none there in winter. Stones, all the snow blows by the winds; he does not linger there. Snow accumulates at the end of the slope, there really is 2-3 meters there.

[Demid]

Those who claim that the avalanche was the death of the group, take the trouble to explain the oddities with the investigation ...

[Humpty]

Quote: Demid

Those who claim that the avalanche was the death of the group, take the trouble to explain the oddities with the investigation ...

I’ll work, although I don’t think that the elements could drive people out of that bivouac.
I probably have the right to a personal opinion. 27 years I have been involved in the analysis and analysis of accidents in the mountains.
There was never a curtain of secrecy at the time of the death of 10, 11 or 43 people in an avalanche. 8 well-trained athletes froze in 1974. The same is not any classification of the investigation materials. With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.

[Demid]

AND?..

Where is the explanation itself?

[wown]

An interesting version, but by the end, something the author went bad))

[old rats]

those radiation values ​​that are indicated is a large dose? how much will it be in x-ray / hour? Does any of those present know?
By the way, the article does not suggest that they were killed by KGB officers.
some of the members of the forum share this point of view, others reject it, but they are not in the article.

[_KM_]

Quote: Humpty

With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.

So what year it was.

[Humpty]

Quote: _KM_

Quote: Humpty

With the group of Dyatlov-the only case.

So what year it was.

Year as year. In the 55th, 11 people died on the ascent from the consequences of mountain sickness. Odin-Ural Usenov accidentally survived. No one took a subscription from him; the case was carefully analyzed. By the way, there was a moment of panic and the tent was cut. Only it was at an altitude of about 7000 meters without acclimatization. The head does not cook at all under such conditions.

[datur]

just got it, this topic is everywhere! fashion or, however, the trend is right up to vomiting !!!!!

[AK-47]

Quote: datur

just got it, this topic is everywhere!

Do not like do not read, but a tragedy occurred, people died, there is no intelligible version.

[_KM_]

Quote: Humpty

Year as year

I think that the usual bureaucratic reinsurance.

Quote: Humpty

By the way there was a moment of panic and the tent was cut

What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?

[shpuntik]

_KM_ Today, 17:53
What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?

The "Evil Spirit of Yambui" caused the panic :-)
Quote:"Now about the movement of Dyatlov's group along the route. The first days of the campaign went well. The group was keenly interested in everything they saw (Mansi inscriptions)
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we had fun and rest at the halts. " https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n
"The place where the group died is considered by the Mansi unsuitable for hunting and reindeer herding in winter." http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D1%82%D1%83%D

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"22. This great ascetic and Bishop John told me that our holy father Sava tried in everything to imitate the life of the great Euthymius. And so since this one used to go to the perfect wilderness on the fourteenth day of January, and spend the Forty Days there, then Savva, having changed this habit a little, left the monastery after the day on which the memory of Saint Anthony was commemorated, commemorated the great Euthymius, which is celebrated on the twentieth day, and after that he went into the perfect wilderness. He did this almost every year. Thus, once having gone out into the desert and walking near the Dead Sea in a place called Zoora, he saw on the sea some wild and very small island, and he wanted to climb on it and spend days of fasting on it. When he walked towards it, through the deceit and envy of evil spirits, he fell into some loose pit lying by the sea. his face, beard and other parts of his body, so that he lay for many days without a voice, until some divine power came to him, healed him, and strengthened him against unclean spirits. However, since his beard burned out, as we said, and did not grow any more, then from that time he was left without a beard. Therefore, when, after certain days had passed, he returned to the Lavra, the fathers recognized him only by his voice and way of life. However, he thanked God for the loss of his beard, for he considered it to be the work of the Providence of God, who did this so that he would humble himself and not be proud of his big beard. "

[shpuntik]

Quote: shpuntik

_KM_ Today, 17:53
What caused the panic? An attack of mountain sickness?

The "Evil Spirit of Yambui" caused the panic :-)
Quote:"Now about the movement of Dyatlov's group along the route. The first days of the campaign went well. The group was keenly interested in everything they saw (Mansi inscriptions)
Sheet 336
we had fun and rest at the halts. " https://sites.google.com/site/hibinaud/home/dopros-svidetela-sogrina-s-n
"The place where the group died is considered by the Mansi unsuitable for hunting and reindeer herding in winter." http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D1%82%D1%83%D


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http://www.portal-slovo.ru/theology/37671.php?ELEMENT_ID=37671&PAGEN_2=3
22. This great ascetic in virtue and Bishop John told me that our holy father Sava tried in everything to imitate the life of the great Euthymius. And since this one had the habit on the fourteenth day of the month of January to withdraw into the perfect wilderness, and there to spend the Forty-days, then Savva, having changed this habit a little, left the monastery after the day on which the memory of St. which is celebrated on the twentieth day, and after that went into the perfect wilderness. There, before the holiday of Vai, he was removed from all treatment of people. And he did this almost every year. Thus, once having gone out into the desert and walking near the Dead Sea in a place called Zoora, he saw on the sea some wild and very small island; and wanted to climb on it and spend days of fasting on it. When he walked towards it, through the deceit and envy of evil spirits, he fell into some loose pit lying by the sea. Some burning ashes rose from it, which burned Sawa's face, beard and other parts of the body, so that for many days he lay without a voice, until some divine power came to him, healed him, and strengthened him against unclean spirits. However, since his beard burned out, as we said, and did not grow any more, then from that time he was left without a beard. Therefore, when, after certain days had passed, he returned to the Lavra, the fathers recognized him only by his voice and way of life. However, he thanked God for the loss of his beard, for he considered it to be the work of the Providence of God, who did this so that he would humble himself and not be proud of his big beard. "

[shpuntik]

http://www.portal-slovo.ru/theology/37671.php?ELEMENT_ID=37671&PAGEN_2=3
As the poet said: "Horatio, - in the sky
And on earth there are more things
Than our philosophy dreamed of. "

[Volkhov]

Perhaps they were found the same trap of Chelyabinsk after February 15, you can’t talk about new ones, they took up the old ones.
The article has many secondary details, but there are major factors:
- reddish skin (radiation burn)
- radiation
- Fright and loss of orientation (the result of a flash, rumble and loss of vision).
These are typical symptoms of a jet strike from a comet explosion (this is visible on the Chelyabinsk Chronicle) - a rare (6 times a year global average) phenomenon, but it is necessary to study it and act competently if possible.
In the last part I wrote a comment on what to do, I do not like it - think better.
In comet explosions, there are "bullets", but these are balls of iron up to 3 mm on Earth and up to 6 on Mars at a speed of up to 2 km / sec, the bone pierces about 3 centimeters. They go with a rare beam, you can collect them with a magnet.

[gennadi]

And why did all the bodies turn yellow and purple?

[Volkhov]

There are free electrons (beta - radiation), from which the skin turns red, and the subcutaneous fat polymerizes and becomes hard, like plastic. With more powerful old explosions, the effect of "petrification" was obtained, like that of Lot's wife from the Bible. This is rare, but a reality. If you have an electron gun, try lard.

[gennadi]

I personally know those who in a previous life were Igor Dyatlov, Zinaida Kolmogorova, Nikolay Thibault-Brignoles, Zolotarev, but strangely enough this does not clarify the situation yet ... I hope it will become clear later.

[tomket]

tie with what you smoke)))))

[Argon]

Yes Yes drugs fight!

[Jurkovs]

I read everything about the rocket version of the tragedy and I want to add some of my thoughts. So, from the Rocketry site (this information is present on many Internet sites): "Joint flight tests (missiles and the overall weight model of the warhead) were carried out from December 24, 1958 to November 27, 1959. 16 missiles (R-7) were tested, of which eight were already manufactured at the Progress serial plant. Of the 16 launched missiles, 10 reached the target with a given accuracy, two missiles exceeded the range due to deviations in the operation of the control system, one missile did not reach the 28 km target due to abnormal system operation pressurizing the oxidizer pipeline at the final stage, one missile flew 16,8 km over the target due to the unstable operation of the radio control system and two missiles stopped flying due to deviations in the propulsion system. "
These were already purely military trials and there is no information about them anywhere else. If we take into account the uniform nature of the launches, then they went with a frequency of 18 days and during January-February 1959 there were at least three of them. From the tests of the first stage it is known that during the accident not all missiles exploded, so two military unsuccessful launches could well end in the northern Urals, due to the shutdown of the second-stage engines.
Then events could develop as follows, a collapsed rocket falls onto the pass, including a tank with supercooled oxygen (minus 200 degrees). The fall of the tank causes an avalanche (all injuries according to the avalanche version), and the spilled liquid oxygen begins to evaporate quickly, cooling the air and carrying it after the fleeing guys. Unnatural dynamic postures of the dead say that they had to breathe in air at a temperature close to 100 degrees, which caused instant death right in motion. After a couple of hours, the oxygen evaporated completely and the temperature evened out. Those who took out the fragments of missiles by helicopters could simply not notice either the tent or the corpses.

[tomket]

they specifically conducted searches for the remnants of components of rocket fuel, there is nothing, but you just can’t get it out.

[Misantrop]

Asymmetric dimethyl hydrosine melts the lungs at the first breath, so no one could rush there. And the oxidizing agent (nitric acid) is not much nicer ... Both one and the other leave VERY characteristic long-term traces

[Jurkovs]

Yangel’s R-16 rocket on this type of fuel has already been created, but the first test was in mid-1959.

[Jurkovs]

At R-7, supercooled liquid oxygen and kerosene was used as fuel. A kerosene tank could fall elsewhere.

[tomket]

they would die at about the same time, and some still had time to put on their frozen clothes to keep warm, if I’m not mistaken, someone froze trying to return to the tent.

[Jurkovs]

Someone sat on a cedar and watched the cloud spread. Then an attempt was made to go along the edge of the cloud to the tent, but the wind could change.

[Letterksi]

Very interesting. I quickly (no time to go into much detail) looked at the flight parameters of the first Earth satellite and the first cosmonaut Gagarin. It turned out that the inclination of the orbit of both flights was about 65 g. to the invader. (In fact, this slope is the northern latitude on the globe).
He opened the Google map and noted the coordinates of the Dyatlov pass (61.758 gr. SS, 59.462 gr. VD). Very close seemed the close coincidence of the inclination of the flight orbit and the latitude of the Dyatlov Pass. Further, I proceed from the assumption that at that time all R-7 rockets were launched with an orbital inclination of 65 grams, because it was necessary to bring the rocket to mind, and not experiment with orbits. (It would be necessary to find the inclination of the orbit of the Belka and Strelka flight for a larger dock. Base. I suppose it was also about 65 gr.)
On the internet I found a picture with the projection of the trajectory of Gagarin’s flight above the ground here sasha-bogdanov.livejournal.com/603923.html Following it, Gagarin landed in the area of ​​the city of Saratov
He opened Google Map and noted two points: the city of Saratov and the Dyatlov Pass (attached picture).
So, if you look closely and somehow superimpose the image of Gagarin’s trajectory on the image of the marked map, then the segment of the city of Saratov-per. Dyatlova Practically lies and coincides with the flight path of Gagarin (mentally continue the sinusoid from the landing site of Gagarin of Saratov to the Dyatlov pass - they match!)
Assuming that 16 launches of the R-7 were made along the same favorite trajectory with a slope of 65 g. It is entirely conceivable that the rocket landing compartment or the layout of the landing block could fly over the city of Saratov and plump around the Dyatlov Pass.

Maybe I'm wrong. This is just an estimate

PS
R-7 did not contain heptyl, but was kerosene. Although this has nothing to do with reasoning, if only because the landing block already contains no fuel at the end of the flight. It could be a psychological factor for tourists

[tomket]

I’ll once again express the idea of ​​airplanes, in 43 the squadron disappeared there, no missile tests were carried out at that time, later the airplanes also disappeared, so the bloody gebnya also didn’t have anything, there’s some kind of anomaly in that area, given that it’s so since they repeatedly saw luminous balls, it’s quite possible that someone like it as a kind of ball lightning or a plasmoid. Well, they called it a mountain of the dead or spirits for a reason, too, for the sake of a red word, apparently something has long been entrenched in those places.

[Jurkovs]

Ball lightning is not observed in winter.

[SlavaP]

Guys, I just remembered. Once upon a time in Soviet times, I came across an article about rare ball lightning or plasmoids that appear from nowhere and cause great damage. So, the article described how such lightning killed groups of tourists - flew into a tent and randomly rushed there like an abandoned firecracker, when it flew into a person - it caused terrible pain and caused shock. Not a single surname was called, but reading articles about Dyatlov’s group lately, he is inclined to think that they were talking about them - there is too much in common. If you think about it - a lot converges - people in a panic and shock are thrown out of the tent in the cold and run away to nowhere. Strange damage, the absence of visible traces of a weapon (or weapon), etc. And the GB present on the spot and the subsequent catastrophe around the investigation were caused by an attempt to hide not traces of malicious intent, but inability to rationally explain what had happened and not to generate rumors and superstition.

[mountain hiker]

An analysis of the causes of the death of the group should be inextricably linked with the conditions in which it found itself. I absolutely agree with the author regarding the timing of the incident. The tragedy occurred on the way back after the ascent, confirmation is the stock of food and firewood. Either they spent several days there waiting for the weather, it doesn’t matter. The important thing is why they did not reach a miserable 1.5 km to the abandonment (storehouse) in the forest zone, where they would be in complete safety and relative comfort. There can only be one answer - a complete lack of visibility - a blizzard or snow fog. The photo with the installation of the tent partly gives an idea of ​​the conditions in which the guys were, but it probably didn’t make sense to take off the last night ... Under such conditions, the decision to set up a camp and wait for an improvement in visibility is the only logical and correct one.

[Jurkovs]

If the wind carried some kind of cloud, then they left perpendicular to its trail.

[mountain hiker]

Further, what caused the group's stampede from the tent? Neither the fall of missile debris, nor the landing of a nearby UFO will force the tent to be cut and who was wearing what to get out in the cold, in the night, in a blizzard. This can only provoke the sound of an avalanche - when the snow starts to sound around, I don’t know what words to describe it in, but it is felt in your gut, subconsciousness, consciousness, your whole animal essence, and the instinct works instantly - to run away from danger without thinking about a tent, shoes, etc. .d. Where to run when it's night around, a blizzard and you can't see where is the sky and where is the earth? And there it is much easier, and most importantly faster from danger - along the line of falling water - down the slope. There is only one landmark - the steepness of the slope - as soon as you take it up, you automatically correct the desired side. And by the way, everyone is scattering nearby, at least in some deep snow, because everyone is for himself. So they, not seeing anything in the rash, and rushed - there was nowhere else. And they stopped right at the border of the forest, felt safe and probably no more strength. The wicked irony of fate was that they ran in vain - the avalanche did not touch their tent! Judging by the photo, the tent was not damaged at all - if it fell asleep, there would be a pressed pancake. Especially if we assume that a part of the group received fatal injuries in the tent - the thickness of the snow should have been at least half a meter. The tent would be crumpled and folded. If I had to dig out and get the wounded, everything would be cut and scattered chaotically. In addition, it is physically impossible for the remaining people to carry the 4 seriously wounded, and the tracks are different - they would go in a close group. So we got out of the tent in a panic, who was in what, but everyone was alive and well. Error? No - when an avalanche "breathes" under you, being in a dark cramped tent it is impossible to navigate when and where it will go - the only chance to jump out! In 1978, my friends brought a corpse from the Subpolar Urals. The situation is almost the same - the group stopped on the 17-20 "slope, in the absence of visibility, after the ascent. At night they were covered by an avalanche ... For most of them, the concept of an avalanche is something grandiose - millions of tons of snow fly off the cliff, sweeping away everything in the way - century-old trees, Everything is correct - there are some, no one comes back from under them. And they were covered by a small "board" - only part of the tent was covered with a layer of only 15-20 cm. The guy who fell asleep told me that the impression was like lying rolled up into the asphalt - it is absolutely impossible to even move your fingers, where is the top - where is the bottom? and dark circles before the eyes - suffocation. ”Those who were lying on the other side cut open the tent and dug it out and another one, but the girl could not - maybe she was weaker ... 2- 3 minutes in total ... So there are different "avalanches" and practically on any slope - it all depends on the specific conditions of snow, wind, temperature, etc. All this was enough for the Urals.
My opinion is that the avalanche still got the guys ... Only not in the abandoned tent, but in the hollow where they ran! The nature of the damage is very characteristic of injuries squeezed by a mass of snow. And a photo of the excavated flooring - there is a mass of snow such that even an elephant could be crushed. Perhaps the guys ran downstairs, began to recover, made a hole, began to trowel flooring - you won’t stand long in socks in the snow - somewhere at that time it was already covered by a massive landslide, call it whatever you like. It is a pity there is no scheme where all bodies would be shown with an indication of the place and injuries. Maybe a clearer picture would have developed ... Well, then the survivors tried to dig out, help, make a fire, return to the tent - there are sea scenarios. Amid shock, exhaustion, frost, night, snowstorm ...
Perhaps everything is as it was. If not for one but .....
THE CLOCK IS SIMPLY SO SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR ALL OF THESE DO NOT STOP ...
(of course, if this is an established fact)))))

[shpuntik]

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mountain tourist Today, 00:07
It is a pity there is no scheme where all bodies would be shown with an indication of the place and injuries.

Here, more or less here:
http://www.chaskor.ru/article/pereval_dyatlova_31065

[Jurkovs]

But Axelrod clearly showed that the prints of the tracks correspond to a normal step, and not to run. And they walked literally in gust and not in a row.

[Stalinets]

And two were dressed and ready .. this is the author in the first part ... Also with a camera and a notebook ..

[DmitryK]

Indeed, one can believe about the avalanche in the hollow ... but where the tent was unlikely. And there is nowhere to take this rattling thunder on the top of the slope. This is a kurnik with a slight altitude.

[IllI4]

The clock could stop from cooling. If everyone was covered with snow, then completely. If it is really a fact. And so, a very robust version of events.

[Stalinets]

Well, uranium bullets, this is a joke. In such a place, a simple carbine is enough. It’s interesting, but why does this place attract physicists together with GB, what is there now? If they were all reproached, then there was a serious reason for this, not departmental contradictions. They did not want to be alive. What did they see? Where have you wandered? What have you come across? From the avalanche, as I understand it, there would be a complete mittens of snow. Strangulation and other fractures. And they seem to have been killed. If the forensic doctor is not lying .....

[DmitryK]

It seems that none of them attracts anything there. Remote now completely abandoned places without roads and communications.

[ULxaw86]

Am I the only one having the feeling of "déjà vu"?
http://topwar.ru/22170-oruzhie-s-pereva.html

[DmitryK]

If there were traces of the use of any weapon on the bodies, many of the search engine rescuers would have seen it and word of mouth would have worked and now the information would have been leaked. And then it goes to eyewitnesses and something does not come up with a thought ...

[Stalinets]

And the mountain itself, is it interesting in terms of tourism for physicists?

[mountain hiker]

I read http://murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html. It seems that the author of the article screwed up the clock - for 2 times 8-10 and 8-41, for the third - 5-10 and it is not known which days ... 4 corpses with numerous fractures without tissue damage - were found in May under a melted avalanche in a ravine !!! When searching in February, avalanche probes did not reach them! True, these four died later than the guys around the campfire near the cedar - on them were pieces of frozen clothing. Why later? All four are well-dressed - Zolotarev and Thibault - generally almost completely, including shoes - front-line soldiers - maybe they slept dressed ?! They sat in a deep snow pit with flooring - the best shelter from the wind. Unfortunately, it was impossible to make a fire there, as the pit did not reach the ground. Apparently from time to time they went to the fire - there are 50 meters in total. Upon returning to the flooring, it is possible that after they found dead around a bonfire, they fell under a collapse. The five that warmed themselves by the fire near the cedar (it was on an elevation and there was less snow there and it was possible to make fire, the branches were broken right from the cedar) froze in the wind and frost - they were without shoes and almost without clothes. Three of them apparently decided to return to the tent, but froze on the way. The article turns out to be very biased .... There are apparently really a lot of inconsistencies in the materials of the investigation, but I think if you take any other matter, you can always dig - investigators - people!

[mountain hiker]

Quote: DmitryK

And there is nowhere to take this rattling thunder on the top of the slope. This is a kurnik with a slight altitude.

There may not be a rumble - the slope may "breathe" - such a dull and very "surround" sound is very impressive! And the crash occurs when the avalanche has already started.

[gennadi]

And what could be the connection with the crash that followed there and the death of 9 people?

[Lechik2000]

http://murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html - прочитал(много, очень много букаф( но очень интересно)) ...доводы похожи на правду...но про амреканских шпионов это конечно круто!
I’m talking about this - in 2000, while on a business trip to the UK, I heard a terrible story about business travelers from KhantyMansi OMON - that supposedly these lads (and when I arrived in the Chechen Republic, I saw them in Mozdok - (borovichki 170 cm. In height and the same width, dangerous guys, they said that the AK bureaucrats threw them into the corner and slept in an embrace with 3 liters with carbines and vintars "grandfathers") on the spot, she killed the local Chichu and the inspector from Khankalenka was asked - "What should we do with him, however - he walked, looked, talked on the radio ... well, we shot him, however, we cut him into small pieces and scattered around the neighborhood, however ... why should we continue to do it ah? "after which the inspector from Khankalenka said that he had not heard anything and did not know anything and merged quietly ... Then the elders of Chichi allegedly asked in Khankala to be removed from their eyes Down with another region ...
This is in 2000 and what could their grandfathers and great-grandfathers do in 59 if the Russian shaitans invaded their holy tracts - there will be no truth, these are quick-eyed devils however ...

[Stalinets]

Narrow-eyed, if anything, would have cut them out in a quiet and all. And these tourists in some underpants were breaking. Something did not faintly shuganul them, or someone. And what about the snow man, what was written in the wall newspaper? Can he shoot them with uranium needles? Tangled ammo in the dark

[Lechik2000]

Although they were the grandfathers of our contemporaries, they had lived with the Russians for several hundred years, and they knew what happened for murder. And if there was an insult to the gods, then ours were killed (especially if our atheists provoked them). They threatened them with weapons and drove them out into the cold, when they saw that the "Russians are not ztayudtso" came and finished them off, maybe they finished them off with their knees - hell knows how they finished off Schaub in the struggle of their national reindeer, didn't suffer ...

[Stalinets]

And the same woman?

[smershspy]

Quote: Clever man

I read the first and second parts ... At first I was glad that the author relies on facts, does not compose delusional undertakings)) and at the end bam! "SECOND SHIFT" (JOKE) Well, what the hell needles ?? Well, why! ??? Why kill "evil" KGB officers, nothing innocent students with super modern weapons, and even in the mountains ???

I completely agree! I have read many articles on this case. I can say that in this story there are more questions than answers! Maybe the anomalous zone, maybe Mansi, who knows what happened, but new groups tried to get into this area and they were advised not to go there! Most likely an anomalous zone, like zone 666.

[Thepappajohn]

How many films were made, how many articles, books and other things were written on this topic. And in the end, some speculation and speculation .. Until this matter is declassified, (if there is something to declassify) no one will ever know the truth, in its purest form.

[wown]

for sure! they’ve been shown about them for a whole week. and then not one iota did not come close to a solution