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Non-classified materials - the truth is somewhere nearby (Part of 1)

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Not secret materials, the truth is somewhere near


Tragic events on the pass Dyatlova more than 50 years. But this mysterious incident is not forgotten, thousands of links on this topic on the web are proof of that. The mysterious death of nine young people in the mountains of the northern Urals is still haunted by many.

At first glance it may seem that this is a parochial theme, the lot of the Ufomans and paranormalschik, everything would be like that, but, “The dead do not lie ...”. The death of nine tourists is so mysterious and unusual, contains so many inexplicable facts that the investigation of this group murder is only on the strength of the legendary Sherlock Holmes with his deductive abilities.

The plot of events is worthy of a fantastic thriller, household and criminal versions disappear immediately. Even the official investigation ended with the formulation of a worthy tragedy of Shakespeare: "........ the cause of the death of tourists was the elemental force that people could not overcome."
Here is the paragraph from this decision to terminate the investigation:

Non-classified materials - the truth is somewhere nearby (Part of 1)


A unique case - the domestic tragedy in the deaf Ural mountains that occurred more than 50 years ago is not forgotten, moreover, it is actively discussed and does not give rest to many researchers. There is only one explanation for this phenomenon; anyone who has become acquainted with these events has an unaccountable sense of anxiety and danger. Such an intuitive and subconscious identification of unknown dangers is a genetic feature of all of humanity, otherwise it would not have survived as a biological and social species.

Not secret materials

There is plenty of factual material for analyzing events on the Dyatlov Pass (as this place is now called), they are not secret and everything is publicly available, there are so many of them that it’s extremely easy to get confused in versions based on these documents. Therefore, as long as there are no versions of events, versions are already enough, everyone can choose the version of events to his own taste.

We will focus only on a few key facts, the correct assessment of which sharply narrows the circle of really possible versions of this tragedy. These facts are known to all who are interested in this topic, but behind the facts are the circumstances and this article is about the circumstances. Let everyone draws conclusions on the basis of these circumstances himself, I, of course, also made them for myself, and about this in the second part of the material.

In order that the name of the cause of these tragic events subconsciously does not put pressure on the readers' opinion, we shall call it neutral - “Factor”. In the first part of the material we will try to understand the nature of this “Factor”, here the main thing is to understand whether it was man-made, natural or reasonable. In addition, we will try to answer the fundamental question: was the meeting of tourists with him an accident, or was it a planned contact?

"Eh ... it's not like that, it's not like that guys! ....."

According to the trekking plan, the tourists had to spend the night on the border of the forest in the headwaters of the Auspie River, to set up a storage shed with things unnecessary for climbing to climb Mount Otorten. Actually from this moment, moving with lightweight backpacks, it began for them to climb Mount Otorten, which was supposed to take three days on the way back:
- For the first day, you had to walk from the labaza to the slope of Mount Otorten.
- On the second day to climb,
- On the third day, go back to the labaza for your things in the area of ​​the river Auspii.
Here is their route application:

Day of the way

date

Name of the track

Way to travel

Note

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Sverdlovsk-Midnight
Midnight - Vizhay
Vizhay - 2 North
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Up p. Auspii
Pass in the upper Lozva
Climbing Otorten
Otorten - headwaters of Auspii
Pass in the upper river. Unya
To the upper river. Vishera
To the upper river. Niols
Climbing on Oiko-Chakur
By North Toshemka to huts
According to Northern Toshemke -
- Vizhay.
Vizhay-Midnight
Midnight - Sverdlovsk

Train
A car
Skiing

 



It was planned to spend three days and three nights for the whole ascent (the items related to the ascent are marked in red).

The official investigation, and behind it all subsequent events, is considered the night of 1 on 2 in February of 1959 as the date of the tragic accident. This dating is based only on the last entry in a hiking diary about an overnight stay on the forest border dated January 31 and a wall newspaper dated February 1.

The logic of the researchers is simple - if there are no records after February 1, then there are no more people alive.

The place to spend the night from January 31 to February 1 on the border of the forest from which the ascent began was discovered. There was also a storage shed, in which tourists stored unnecessary items for climbing Mount Otorten.

According to the general opinion of all the researchers of these events, February 1 tourists staged a storage shed and went to the slope of Mount Holatchahlyu (height 1079). They staged the night there, which was the last for them. Here is a picture of what rescuers found at the site of the last night (hereinafter all the materials from the criminal case):



According to the plan for passing the route, an overnight stay in approximately these places was assumed on the way back (the headwaters of the Auspi River), after the ascent.
However, without exception, researchers believe that the tourists stopped at this place before the ascent and to justify this, they present versions with errors in the route, tourists drowsiness, inability to quickly build a storage shed and other negative circumstances.

Or maybe it is not necessary to talk badly about the dead, maybe everything went according to plan, and this place of the night after the ascent? This option is indicated by many facts.

This is perhaps the most important one, look at the photo that the tourists made at the place where the tent was installed, the investigation believes that this is also the place where the abandoned tent was found and that the photo was taken on the evening of February 1:



Even an expert can see that the slope of the area and the level of burial in the snow of the tent site do not match in this photo, what is seen in the picture taken by the rescuers at the site of the detection of the abandoned tent.

These are different places.

If this is so, then according to the route plan, the tourists had to spend two nights at the foot of Mount Otorten and it is logical to assume that it was this moment that was taken by tourists. The photograph of the clearing of the place for the tent was actually made by 1 February, but in another place, on the slope of Mount Otorten.

They successfully spent the night with 1 on 2 in February at this place, made the planned ascent of Mount Otorten in the afternoon of 2 in February, once again spent the night in this place and 3 in February went back to the warehouse. But apparently they could not reach the labaza in one day (they did not reach about one and a half kilometers) and got up for the night in a place found by rescuers.

So it is quite possible that the events actually happened on the night from February 3 to February 4, which was the last for them.

To assume, as the investigation did, and all subsequent investigators followed it, that on the very first day of the ascent experienced tourists missed the route schedule incorrectly, there are no direct facts confirming this. Let us all the same assume that the experienced team maintained the schedule and the places of overnight stays corresponded to the stated route.

But this is not a fact, this is an assumption, now about the facts in support of the following event:

“Firstly, this is the content of the last document found — the“ Battle Sheet ”of the dated 1. It talks about the surroundings of Mount Otorten. Hardly in 15 kilometers of the way from the target (at the place of detection of the abandoned tent), we can talk about the surroundings of Mount Otorten, for this you need to get closer to her.

- Secondly, in the “Battle sheet” sarcastically it is said about the record for the installation of the stove. It is doubtful that this event refers to the previous overnight stays, most likely in the evening of February 1 the stove was actually installed. But in the tent at the site of the tragedy the stove was not installed.

- Thirdly, only one log was found in the tent, it’s unbelievable that if they were going to spend the 2-3 of the day in the mountains, they would have taken only one log with them on the treeless countryside. It is easier to assume that it remains the only one at the time of return.

- Fourth, the same situation with food, that's what remained in the storage shed:
1. Condensed Milk 2,5 kg.
2.Canned meat in cans 4 kg.
3.Sahar - 8 kg.
4. Butter - 4 kg.
5. Cooked sausage - 4 kg.
6. Salt - 1,5 k.
7. Kissel-compote - 3 kg.
8.Cat oat and buckwheat 7,5 kg.
9. Cocoa 200
10.Coffee - 200
11.Tea - 200 gr.
12.Koreyka - 3 kg.
13. Dry milk - 1 kg.
14. Sugar sand - 3 kg.
15. Crackers - 7 kg and Noodles - 5 kg.

But what is found in the tent:
1. Sukhari in two bags.
2. Condensed milk.
3.Sahar, concentrates.

Strange and poor set of products in the tent regarding the abundance left in the storage shed. Assuming that the tourists did not take any canned food or sausage on the ascent, but only 100 grams of loin from a piece in 3k left in a labaze is absurd ...

One hundred grams of loin is a documented fact in the testimony of Tempalov V. I., he talked about the grams of chopped and not eaten loin found in the 100 tent, a logical explanation can be only one, the tourists finished the last products taken with them.

- Fifth, to move away from the installation site of a warehouse at a distance of one and a half kilometers (the same number ran barefoot into a tragic night) and it is illogical to stop for the night. Here is a photograph of tourists, which shows the conditions under which the ascent took place:



The conditions are of course extreme, but the depth of the snow, the wind load, and a gentle rise made it possible in such conditions to pass 2-3 kilometers per hour.

From the warehouse to the place of the abandoned tent, no more than a mile and a half, this distance, under the conditions visible in the picture, the tourists had to walk for 30-40 minutes, and they could not spend more than an hour on this distance.

It is ridiculous to assume that a group of 9 experienced tourists could think of such a thing - to spend an hour on the transition and start settling down for the night.
It was more reasonable and not to go on a route, but they were experienced and reasonable people.

There is not a single direct fact that would contradict the assumption of dating the tragedy from 3 to February 4, while returning to the labaz, there are only indirect circumstances, here they are:

- It is not clear why there is nothing in the diaries of tourists since February 1. But it could be simple fatigue - it was not up to it, and the extreme conditions along the way did not allow us to engage in the epistolary genre. Actually February 1 was written only "wall newspaper". Although, following the logic of the investigation, they had plenty of time that day, because, according to the investigators, the tourists stumbled around the warehouse all day.

- No pictures about the achievement of the campaign goal. But it certainly should have been. The materials of the Internet have all the frames that were found on 6 films, the last (and perhaps the last but one ...) is definitely the previously mentioned picture of clearing a place in the snow for a tent.

Dead end? No, the tourists had several coils of film for each camera, these coils were found in a tin can, one of the coils was even found near the tent, there are still shots with some kind of films (appear as “bulk shots”). So, it’s impossible to assert that everything shot by them during the hike is available, there are (were) other films that we don’t know on them.

We definitely do not know the two films being at the time of the tragedy in the cameras, the search engines gave the investigation three cameras with the number of shots indicated in the act: 34,27.27. There is a film with 34 frames, there is the last notorious frame of the “fireball”, but there are no films with 27 frames, there are films with a different number of frames.

Moreover, in addition to the four cameras found in the tent, there was a fifth one, although this camera does not appear in the investigation materials, it is clearly visible in the picture of Zolotarev’s body. It is clear that the frames from it have not been preserved, it was in flowing water, but probably the footage of the conquest of Mount Otorten and not only they could have been in it.

Does this interpretation of the date change the overall picture of those tragic events? Practically not, but maybe the problems of a group of tourists did not appear on the night of the tragedy, but earlier? We do not know what happened during the period, and these are two or even three days.

There are no accidents in this world, every step leaves a trace ...

Surprisingly, the events at the Dyatlov Pass are well documented, there are witnesses, there are materials from the criminal case. But the fact is not only a connecting point in the sequence of events, it is also the sum of circumstances. From this point of view, let us approach the assessment of key facts.

Here is one of the inexplicable facts:

The group left the tent down the hill at night. By the time of the discovery of the site of the tragedy, there remained a chain of traces of all nine tourists for at least half a kilometer (according to some eyewitnesses, almost a kilometer).
Tourists walked barefoot (most without shoes, but in warm socks).

Here is how a member of the search operation recalls this, who first discovered the place of the tragedy and, accordingly, could see traces in their natural, unworn form (Recording a conversation with Boris Xlobov 01.06.2006):

WB: How did they go about decay? Here's what happens. If this is a tent, but the horizontal, - they were walking a little apart?
They were walking, traversing the slope. Or in the direction of the decay itself?

BS: I think in the direction of the decay itself.

WB: That is, as if centered on the decay?

BS: Yes. Traces were also not single by one. They were ... a line, each running along its own trajectory. As I understand. I suppose they were strongly driven into the back wind. And they didn’t have shoes at all - someone had one boots, someone had socks, someone I didn’t know ..... In my opinion, no one found a serious shoe.

These tracks looked like pillars of compacted snow, which means that tourists were walking along loose snow, which was later blown off by the wind and remained only under the tracks due to compaction. Here are the tracks:



By the way, such characteristic tracks, not pressed in, and in the form of seals can occur only on loose and “sticky” snow, this indicates the temperature during the flight from the mountain - no more than minus 10 degrees. So, tourists were not so badly dressed for such weather, it was almost impossible for experienced people to freeze in a group, having access to a divorced campfire, in a forest where there is shelter from the wind.

And so, the route of movement is straightforward, traces went in parallel chains. This is a fact, now about the unobvious circumstances of this retreat to the edge of the forest:

Nine people were walking in a deployed system, although it was much easier to follow the trail in deep snow. It means that the extreme factor acted all the time of the movement and people instinctively sought to escape from danger with maximum speed, nobody wanted to be the last.

In such a situation, the location of the source of the threat that drove people out of the tent is clear - somewhere behind their backs. It is clear that they went to the nearest shelter, and the purpose of the movement (the shelter) was clearly distinguishable and realized by all members of the group.

Judging by the direction of the tracks, the tourists from the tent went straight to the glen (shallow ravine). Strangely, they were less than a kilometer away from the forest, and they are not going in the direction of the forest, but in the direction of a treeless ravine, and the path is twice as long. For some reason, it seemed to all of them that a safe shelter was located exactly in this place. And they, apparently, were not mistaken in their initial assumptions. This is evidenced by the fact of the device flooring of the trunks of small trees, covered with spruce branches in the deepest part of the ravine.

With regard to the purpose of the movement, everything is clear - this is the darkest and lowest place in the immediate vicinity. I paraphrase a well-known expression: “Tell me where you are running, and I will tell you who you are running from.”

So they do not run from the elemental force, they run from the extreme factor, the threat from which is associated with direct visual contact. At the time of departure from the tent, the goal of tourists was to hide, and not just exit from the zone of the extreme factor. Here is a photo to evaluate the shelter, which the tourists built themselves to wait out the effect of this extreme factor:



On a moonless night, even in the ideal conditions of a clear starry sky, it is difficult to see anything. Running in a straight line and a half kilometers on rough terrain, in deep snow, in the dark, is almost impossible.

To do this, you need a powerful light from the nearest peaks, and the light from the back, then the ravine, where they fled, will become a shaded place in which to hide.

The presence of two factors - the threat and highlight was hardly separate, it was a single factor, the fact that tourists ran towards the nearest shadow confirms this.

And there is no miracle and very rare coincidences ... ...

In the final part of the tragedy there is a similar fact of the straight-line movement of several tourists. Three people died in the movement towards a certain goal. Their bodies, and the point where they started their last movement (fire) are located on the perfect straight line.

It is possible to move back up the slope either to the tent, or to the source of danger that drove the tourists out of the tent, the third is not given. If the purpose of the upward movement was a tent, then most likely they would have gone to it returning in their own tracks, there is no other guaranteed way to get to it quickly. But they did not return in their tracks.

The straightness of their movement indicates that they clearly saw where they need to go, only a clear guideline can allow them to withstand a straight direction. It is impossible to see a tent in a snow in the dark from more than a kilometer away.

So they did not go to the tent, but to the source of danger that drove them from the mountain, they went to the "factor".

Unfortunately, the investigation did not exactly record on the map of the circumstances of the case, there are only two handwritten schemes, below is one of them. On it .хД, .хС, .хК are the points of detection of tourists' bodies, a Christmas tree with a cross, this is the location of the fire under the fir.

These four points are placed on one ideal straight line leading past the tent, in the direction of one of the nearest peaks, apparently they went there, most likely the source of danger was located there.

The diagram shows the point of detection of the lantern lost by tourists at the end of the third stone ridge, and the forest line is the dotted line, and this border at the point of flow of the stream is the place where the tourists made the flooring.

The tent, the lost flashlight, the place of flooring also form a perfect straight line. This fact agrees well with the words of Slobtsov, who argued that the traces went into decay and were straightforward throughout the visible area.

Here is the scheme, from the materials of the investigation:



And so we have two separated by time and place of fact indicating the straightness of the movement of tourists on rough terrain on a moonless night.

Of course, everything can be attributed to randomness, but, as a rule, randomness is an unknown pattern. In this case, these rectilinear movements of tourists can be explained only through the assumption of good visibility throughout the tragedy and the assumption that this good visibility was provided precisely by the source of the threat that drove the tourists out of the tent.

Summing up, it can be argued that the factor that caused the escape from the tent, had visual properties (quite a bright glow). In addition, this factor acted for a long time, and illuminated the area even during the attempt of three tourists to return to the mountainside.

Scary - interesting.
(some emotion)


And so, the tourists in full force moved one and a half kilometers from the tent down the mountainside and stopped. So, this place seemed to them to be quite safe, otherwise they would not have started to construct a flooring from branches and make a fire. But between the fire and the flooring almost a hundred meters, and the flooring is clearly not designed for the whole group of 9 people.

Thus, we can state that at this critical moment there are two strategies in the group, the first is to hide (what is called “not to stick out”) and the second to find oneself (making a fire) and to make contact with the phenomenon that frightened them.

It is indicative of the distribution of people to these groups, in the first who decided to “keep a low profile”, these are the most adult tourists, the second group, which was interesting, consisted of young students.

The division of the group in an extreme situation is a very characteristic fact, which speaks of a non-standard phenomenon that caused them to leave the tent; it was not a natural elemental force known to them, such as an avalanche, an unknown biological object, such as a bear, a man, a snowman at last.

They were separated by a non-standard situation that did not fit into the usual patterns of behavior and each group, due to their life experience, reacted to this situation in its own way.

Here are specially selected photos from their last campaign, which best convey the character of the leaders in these two groups:



This is a photograph of the leader of the campaign Dyatlov, and he seems to have become the leader of a group of young people.

But there was also an experienced tourism instructor, a professional, and just an adult, Zolotarev, here is a picture with the foreground:



Looks like he became the leader of a group of more adult and rational tourists.

By the way, in a very detailed, but rather controversial material by Rakitin's “Death following the trail,” there is a well-founded version of the fact that Zolotarev was a KGB officer and worked undercover. If this is true, then what did the KGB need in a group of students ?, certainly not observing their anti-Soviet sentiments, this is a rather ordinary informant, and not a regular officer. Here again I have to agree with Rakitin, Zolotarev was on some assignment, that's just hardly the one about which he writes, this is what is called fiction ...

In any case, even if he was a simple regular instructor of the TurBaz, even in this case he possessed sufficiently complete information about the area in which the route passed, it seems that something from this information kept him in suspense and that is why he turned out to be fully dressed by the time the beginning of the tragic events.

Another adult participant in the trip was Thibo-Brulyon, here in the photo they, along with Zolotarev:



It is immediately obvious that there is a certain friendly predisposition between these people who met only in this, their last campaign. Apparently they are like, older ones, to communicate with each other and it is quite possible that Zolotarev shared his fears with Tibo-Brulyon. And this may explain why it was he who became the second person fully dressed for the beginning of the tragic events.

In an extreme situation, the entire power of the government undoubtedly had to go to Zolotarev, both by status, by experience, and by its front-line past ... But the young people did not listen to him and, for the realization of their plan, simply went away.
That such a picture emerges ....

But I’ll finish on this lyrical and psychological digression and turn again only to the bare facts.

You are already far away ........., and before death there are four hundred steps ....

The route of the return of three tourists back to the top of the mountain contains another set of coincidences, which, from probabilistic considerations, is difficult to attribute to the category of accidents. The distance between the bodies of the dead tourists on the return route to the top of the mountain is equal intervals of 150-180 meters, no more accurate data (no one has measured the tape), but this fact is confirmed by all eyewitnesses and materials of the criminal case.

A bonfire and three bodies lie on one straight line, poses indicate directions of movement, equal distances between them, just like that of Stevenson in the book “Treasure Island”, only there is the author’s imagination, and here is a real tragedy. Four points that fit in a straight line mean the goal of movement on the continuation of this line, but this is not enough, there are equal distances between the bodies, how to understand this?

The mathematical probability that the sum of external natural factors (frost, wind) and the exhaustion of the internal individual physiological resource of tourists has led to such a coincidence of the intervals between the bodies is vanishingly small. Considering that the least physically strong girl went farther to the goal of the movement, this also violates the very logic of the statement that they died from the exhaustion of physiological forces.

It is more logical to assume that they were forcibly stopped by some external factor that has some causal logic in their actions.
There is also a third interval, which also fits into the fatal 150-180 meters, it is associated with the location of the first tourist body (in the diagram, the place of his body is indicated by a cross with the letter “D”) moving back to the top of the mountain. There is no exact data, no one measured it, but his body also seemed to be at a distance of 150-180 meters from the place from which the ascent to the mountain began. This can be argued only based on indirect data and pictures of the ravine. The fact is that the fire from which the movement began to the top of the mountain was located on another slope of the ravine. The width of the ravine, can be indirectly estimated from the images from the materials of the investigation, it is somewhere 200-250 meters.

Here is a snapshot of this ravine, with the numbers 1 and 2, respectively, marked the places where the floor was found (the previous photo) and the last bodies found near the floor of the four tourists who died on this fateful night:



Considering that the investigation materials indicate that the body of the first tourist was found at a distance of 400 meters from the fire, we get the same fatal interval.

It turns out such a reconstruction of events: the first tourist goes to the mountainside, in other words, falls on the line of sight from the top of the mountain, passes the notorious 150-180 meters and falls what is called "dead" (this is the second part).

The second tourist goes along the same route, departs from the body of the first tourist 150-180 meters and dies. The third tourist (woman) follows the same route from the second body, another fatal segment up the side of the mountain and also dies.

It is impossible to reliably establish how these three tourists moved, together or separately, there is only one indirect circumstance, indicating that the first tourist (Dyatlov himself) was walking alone and going the very first. The fact is that the body of this tourist clearly turned over after death in an already stiff state, which is indicated by the discrepancy between the position in which the tourist froze and the position of the body at the time of detection by the search engines.

Here is a picture of the body at the time of detection:



The man froze in his characteristic posture, the posture of the man, as mentioned earlier, who had fallen "dead". From the characteristic curves of the body and tightly folded knees one can see that at first he knelt, pushing the snow beneath him, and then fell forward on his chest, into the snow, and he did not make a single, even agonal movement.

But the body lies on its back, lying sideways to the branches of a stunted tree ..., then it was turned over after rigor mortis, and this should take at least 1-2hour hours taking into account the weather conditions. Moreover, his jacket was unbuttoned on his chest, apparently one of the tourists, having discovered his body, tried to find out if he was alive, for which he had turned his face upward, and unbuttoned his outer clothing.

An epic situation emerges, people go from the shelter, from the fire, near which they could endure this fateful night, towards their death, knowing exactly what was waiting for them ahead (at least two tourists), and in fact none of them turned back to safe on that moment place

Two by the fire

Two more tourists died at the fire, it is believed that they were frozen ... But it was strangely frozen, just like the three on the mountainside, falling “dead” in the snow. But so far not about this, it is important that the tourists made a fire and supported it at least 3 - or even 4 hours, all the search engines who saw this fire and agree on the volume of the burned out branches agree with this.

The bonfire is not big, although they did have the opportunity to make a really serious bonfire for escape from the cold, which means that the function of the bonfire is not to warm, but to indicate its presence.

The bonfire was bred near a tall tree, blood was left on the tree trunk, and tourists, according to the general opinion of search engines and investigators, used the tree for observation, climbing up to a height of about 5 meters.

And here the most important thing that tourists could see from the height of 5 meters and could not see from the ground at the campfire site? Oddly enough, this can be fairly accurately established even now, here is a modern picture of the mountainside, supposedly made from this cedar:



Over 50, the forest has grown considerably, but the mountain is clearly visible. It was just behind the top of the mountain, hidden from them from the ground level, by the steep opposite slope of the ravine and the forest that the tourists watched.

It is possible that the need for observation was due to anxiety for the comrades who had gone to the top, but this is hardly the only thing. Not least observers were interested in the mysterious phenomenon that drove them out of the tent. And it was visually accessible only from a height of 5 meters from ground level. Thus, the search engines and the investigation had the opportunity to accurately determine the location of the factor that caused these events, both in azimuth and vertically. But, unfortunately, search engines and the result did not take advantage of this opportunity to accurately determine the place of occurrence of the extreme factor ...

Let's go further, one of the tourist near the fire, according to the investigation and search engines, fell "dead" from the tree. Another tourist fell into the fire, his left leg was burned, then at the time of his death, no one could help him near the fire, there is only one explanation for this, there was no one to help.
At that moment, no one was capable of working near the fire, but after a while the body was moved, the clothing was cut off, and the tourists who remained on the floor from tree trunks did it, because fragments of clothing cut off from the bodies were found on the flooring itself and on the way from the fire to the flooring.

The body was not burned much, without charring, it means the help came quickly, you can walk 70-100 meters from the floor to the fire for 2-3, no more, judging by the description of the burns, it was just that the body lay in the fire .... Everything is logical, and at the same time immediately makes the version of freezing untenable ...
At the time of the death of a tourist caught in a bonfire, people on the floor heard, or saw something that made them rush to the fire. Most likely, the sound (flash?) Was due to the true cause of death of tourists near the fire. Confirmation of this statement is the breaking of the branches on the tree from the side of the mountain slope.



This fact is confirmed by all eyewitnesses, to assume after them that it was tourists who broke branches (up to 10 cm in diameter at a height of 3-5 meters) with their bare hands for a fire naively, moreover, these branches didn’t hit the fire.

What it was, we won’t guess, the other thing is important, the death of two tourists near the fire is not a quiet freezing stretched in time, but a certain clearly discernable lethal event that at the same time served as a signal for the surviving tourists to come up to the fire.
Apparently, three tourists on the mountainside perished in the same way, this explains their dynamic postures, which do not resemble the pose of a freezing person, - none of the bodies were found in this position.

Do not think about the minutes from high ....

On the bodies of the dead tourists found a watch. Naturally, by the time they were detected, they had already stopped. The clock stops for three reasons: the plant is over, the plant is broken, and the most exotic option, the mechanism froze in the cold. We immediately dismiss the option of freezing mechanisms, the clock readings were recorded both at the scene of events and during the examination of bodies in the morgue, their readings are the same, which means that the clock did not work after thawing.
But three hours stopped with a difference in the readings on the dial less than 30 minutes. If a random factor acted (the plant ran out), then the probability of such a coincidence is calculated mathematically, this is at the level of one-tenth of a percent ...

If we also take into account the coincidence of the readings of the clock with the estimated time of death of tourists, calculated according to the autopsy data and the time of the last meal, then the probability of such a coincidence becomes at the level of one case per ten thousand options, it is practically unreal ....

In addition to the probability theory of a watch malfunction, another fact also speaks; in the investigation materials there are draft records of the investigator, there he marked the watch belonging to specific people, and so the sign of the watch was the indication on the dial. So, four months after the events, the same readings remained on them as at the time of their stopping. It is impossible to believe that none of them tried to start, - they certainly tried, only because of this they did not work, which means they were broken.

Consequently, three hours broke in the interval of less than 30 minutes, only one factor could be the cause of the breakdown, which caused such a slight variation in the readings of the clock at the time of their stopping. For some reason they broke? Cases are not damaged, which means that the damage is of a dynamic nature (a powerful shake).

There are no exact data in the investigation materials, no expertise of watch movements. But there is no third given, either a natural reason and we agree that a unique event has occurred, which falls once per thousand, or we assume that a dynamic impact has been made on these watches with a time spread of no more than thirty minutes.

Four tourists died from injuries incompatible with life, and the injuries are strange, the bones are broken, and the skin is not broken, there is not even edema, only internal hemorrhages.

Such damage can occur only when dynamic loads are distributed over a sufficiently large area.

Yes, and the others died too quickly, falling face down into the snow (ceasing to move), they did not even have time to melt the snow with their breath, but had time to bleed from the nose, throat and ears into the snow ... Only one of the tourists has a clear sign of a long stay in the snow at one place in a live state.

It is possible that they also died from injuries, only these injuries occurred in places where there are no bones (stomach for example), or they died from severe contusion. But this fact does not change.

Signs of the cessation of the function of vital activity are similar in all - a blow to a large area of ​​the body (in four tourists) and a quick death without damage (in three of them at least).

What it was, while we won’t guess, there are plenty of options from a fall from a height to a severe contusion. In the investigation materials there is a protocol of interrogation of the pathologist who carried out the autopsy of the bodies of tourists, in this document the physician directly indicates the possibility of causing such heavy injuries as a result of an explosive (shock) wave.

Here is an extract from the testimony of the pathologist who conducted the autopsy from the investigation file:

Question: How can we explain the origin of damage in Dubinina and Zolotarev - can they be combined by one reason?

Response: I believe that the nature of damage in Dubinina and Zolotarev is a multiple fracture of the ribs: in Dubinina bilateral and symmetrical, in Zolotarev one-sided, as well as bleeding into the heart muscle in both Dubinina and Zolotarev with hemorrhage into the pleural cavities indicate their survival and are the result of a large force, approximately the same as that applied to Tibo. The indicated damages ... are very similar to the trauma caused by the air blast wave.


If two essentially identical facts (cessation of the functioning of clocks and human organisms) have the most likely cause of a dynamic impact, then the coincidence of the heterogeneous factors that caused these events is almost unbelievable.
The conclusion can be the only one - the death of a person and the stopping of the clock is a consequence of the action of a single factor, and these events took place (the death of a person and the breaking of a clock on his hand) at the same time.

Fact - the obvious amount of unobvious circumstances ... ..

There is a fact indicating that the tourists themselves tried to push us to this version. On the hand of one of the tourists two watches were found at once. Some are his own, while others are removed from the body of a comrade who had already died by that time. The difference in their testimony 25 minutes, and later stopped his own hours.

What motives can a person take off a watch from the hand of his dead comrade, putting this watch on his own hand next to his own still working hours? Moreover, this tourist, in order to take off his watch and put on his hand before that, took off his gloves (found in his pocket), and did not have time to put on his clothes again. His own hours stopped after 25 minutes after stopping the clock from the tourist who had already died.
The only explanation for this behavior, the remaining tourists already knew how to kill them, and to suggest the cause of the incident with them focused on the characteristic feature of the murder weapon.

There was another illogical treatment of the camera with one of the tourists. Already mentioned Zolotarev with a camera around his neck, he died with him.

Here is a picture of the body of this tourist:



Why did he carry a camera on himself all this time, and indeed, how he was on it, given that there was clearly no way for him to have a tent on his neck (why he was in darkness and crampedness). And this camera did not belong to him (his own camera was found in a tent).
It turns out that in an extreme situation a person instead of collecting warm things takes an absolutely unnecessary item.

If we assume an accident, then we must assume that the two most experienced tourists panicked and committed illogical actions in the heat of passion. The extremely unlikely hypothesis, if only because these people were best prepared to leave the tent, were almost completely dressed (in shoes and warm clothes).

One of them, a front-line soldier (Zolotarev), went through the whole war had four combat awards and clearly possessed the skills of effective behavior in extreme situations, the other (Tibo-Brillon) also had a difficult fate. It is more logical to assume that these were meaningful actions in an extreme situation and these people wanted to tell us something, even after death.

There was another fact of the inexplicable, and he was again connected with the camera. This is the notorious last frame of one of the cameras found in the left tent. It depicts an incomprehensible, but apparently explaining why Zolotarev did not part with the camera to death. Here is the frame:



In the frame of the two luminous object, one round and less bright, it is most likely the illumination from the diaphragm. The second object has a rectangular shape, and during the exposure of the 0,1-0,5 frame of a second it moved along a complex trajectory.

Of course, one can guess what it is, but the main thing is not that, Zolotarev had a motivated reason to carry a camera with him in the cold, apparently there were pictures on him that clarified the situation that the tourists got into. But unfortunately this device, as already mentioned, was lying in the water and the pictures from it have not survived.

Exceptions confirming rule

In all the above arguments, the emphasis is on homogeneous facts in a homogeneous situation, but there are also anomalies that oddly enough only confirm the general patterns. Now about anomalies in the facts confirming the patterns.

Three people attempted to return to the top of the mountain, like they all fit into a single motivational logic, they died almost the same, but the tourist who died in the middle falls out of the picture, and falls on several grounds.

About him you can say like the others, fell dead. But he did not die, and he continued to lie in this fixed posture for a sufficiently long time, sufficient to melt the snow beneath him (the so-called “freezing bed”). This is a documented fact in the materials of the investigation, the time of formation of such ice about an hour.

This tourist, the only one who attempted to return to the mountainside, recorded a head injury without breaking the skin, is the same in nature as the rest of the injured, but in a completely different place, near the floor.

And his watch was the most recent (six minutes after Tiboh’s stop) ...

It turns out that it belongs to two sequences of cause and effect relationships, first the causal connection of returning to the mountainside, and then the cause and effect relations of “stripping” all potential witnesses.

In other words, they “drove” him like the rest near the fire and on the mountainside, and already finally finished off as fours near the flooring of trees. And finished off the last, when all the others were already dead.

There is another circumstance that at first glance falls out of the picture, it concerns the dead near the flooring. The fact is that of the four killed in the movement from the flooring, only three are injured, the fourth (Kolevatov) had no visible injuries. The exception is again, but ... judging by the location of the bodies, this tourist, at the time of his departure from the flooring, could no longer move on his own, was wounded, Zolotarev was dragging him on his back.

Where it was given incomprehensibly, but this alone can explain the posture of Zolotarev and their practically “stuck together” bodies. Apparently, he either was already dead by the time Zolotarev was injured, or he was finished off with what got to Zolotarev.

And these two exceptions give new characteristics of the deadly factor that put the final point in this tragic stories.
The deadly factor had a clear causal motive - “if you die, then die,” he did not touch the dead, he chose only the living.

The truth is somewhere near…..

But so far we have been talking only about people, now let's see what this extreme factor itself was like. Obviously, we have nothing but a hypothetical snapshot about him, but he influenced the behavior of people, he influenced their death, and this is all documented with factual materials. Therefore, it is possible to deduce obvious corollaries from the facts.

First, during the retreat to the forest from the tent, no one died or even got injured, this is indicated by the presence of traces of all tourists and signs of activity at the point of retreat.

Secondly, at a distance of one and a half kilometers from the tent, people felt safe and made the decision to wait out events in this place, but they did not return. So all this time, this extreme factor continued to operate.

In the third, people began to die only when some of them (three) went back, and judging by the route, not to the tent itself, but towards this extreme factor.

Fourthly, after the people involved in the movement and its maintenance (two by the fire) died, the place that had previously been considered safe by them became a dangerous place. The rest tried to get away from the previously safe flooring, but were able to move only 6 meters away and died in motion, three of which were clearly killed in a violent way.

We will not draw global conclusions; we restrict ourselves to the obvious; in the course of the tragic events, this extreme factor changed its behavior. At first, it manifested itself as a threat, and at the end it began to act in a lethal manner. In addition, the change in the behavior of the extreme factor correlates with the change in the behavior of tourists. He did not intend to liquidate the tourists during their departure from the tent and arrange temporary shelter, but after the tourists tried to approach him, he ruthlessly dealt with them. Famous elemental and man-made forces do not act that way.

As the attentive reader should have noticed the conclusions that follow from the above analysis of the facts, sharply narrow the range of possible versions.

On the other hand, everything that can with absolute certainty confirm the conclusions of this article remained beyond the scope of the investigation. There is no map of the area with the route of movement of tourists, the location of the objects and bodies found.

No protocols for technical expertise hours.

There are no protocols for the examination of cameras and frame binding to specific cameras.

There is not even a description of the list and the number of products found in the tent.

A lot more is not there ...

What is this incompetence, accident, malice?

Secrecy of the investigation

The mystery of the investigation begins with the title page of the case of the death of tourists, this is not at all the case that 28 initiated in February 1959, the prosecutor Mr. Ivdel Tempalov.



Before us is the case of the Sverdlovsk Regional Prosecutor's Office dated 6 February 1959, in this case there is no document in support of his excitation. This can be only in one case, the case of the regional prosecutor’s office arose from some other matter, and the date of its discovery migrated to the case of the regional prosecutor’s office.

On any territory of the USSR, there were three prosecutor's offices, district (city) provincial and military, and the KGB had its own investigative unit. It is natural to assume that the case of the regional prosecutor’s office arose from military materials. The regional prosecutor's office did not have the opportunity to refer to these secret documents and the only thing that transferred them to their file is only the date of the beginning of the investigation.

The military prosecutor's office, on the basis of some unknown documents, filed an 6 case of its own in February, when the tourists were still to be on the march.

The military, or the KGB officers knew about the incident, immediately reported to the command and, based on their reports, an investigation was opened in the military prosecutor's office with February 6 dating, the events themselves most likely took place on February 4-5.

In the investigation materials there is another document dated 6 of February, the protocol of interrogation of the witness Popov, the questions related to the passage of tourist groups through the settlement. See in the second half of January.



So the error in the dates is excluded, the authorities began to deal with the situation on the Dyatlov Pass much earlier than the time when the search engines found an abandoned tent.

Two consequences

The investigation materials do not comply with the requirements of the procedural code, this is only part of the documents, too much material is missing. There are no precisely those documents that shed light on the true circumstances of events. I will list the most obvious exemptions:
- There is no inspection report of the last three bodies at the site of detection. There is only an act of inspection of the body Dubinina.
- There is no mention of the camera on the body of Zolotarev, although it is clearly distinguishable in the photographs.
- There is no interrogation protocol of the most important witness Sharavin, his testimony contradicts the version of the investigation.
- There is no inventory of films from cameras and from banks with captured films, the frame to which the investigation refers is not present at all on films attached to the file.
- In the pictures from the investigation materials there is a retouch, and precisely those places on the bodies where there should be mechanical damage.
- There are no protocols for examining cameras and stopped hours.

The absence of these mandatory documents indicates the existence of another, unknown to us, effect. A civil investigation was conducted in the regional prosecutor's office, and the other, secret investigation was conducted by the military prosecutor's office and the materials were separated between these consequences.

The military prosecutor's office, realizing that the death of 9 tourists could not be hidden, notified the regional prosecutor's office and went into the shadows, obtaining the necessary information from her by the hands of general civil investigators. This explains the strange circumstances of the investigation, about which investigator Ivanov spoke, for example, a barrel of alcohol, into which everyone who participated in the autopsy was forced to plunge.

There is clear evidence of this double investigation, some of the most important things at the time of the official investigation were absent, it was specifically at the disposal of investigator Ivanov what was called the “complex household appliances” of tourists, watches and cameras. This is not a mere allegation, there are acts of identifying the things of the dead tourists by their relatives, Ivanov, in the course of the investigation, presented them with all the things they had, and immediately after the identification on receipt he issued these identified things to the relatives. But among the presented things there was not a single camera and not a single watch.

Watches and cameras were given to relatives only a month after the completion of the investigation. This is documented in the investigation materials with the corresponding receipts.

In order not to be unsubstantiated, here are scans of the protocol for identifying Dyatlov's things and a receipt for their receipt (decorated as one document):




But a receipt for receiving a camera and Dyatlova watches a month after the end of the official investigation:



With respect to the rest of the cameras and watches, the same picture, unequivocally, the investigator Ivanov did not have these items during the official investigation, they only came to him a month after the completion of the official investigation.

The only reason for this lack of significant evidence may be their being at the disposal of completely different investigators and forensic experts.

Ivanov undoubtedly contacted the investigation of the military prosecutor's office, some of these contacts led him to a very extravagant conclusion at the time about the cause of the tragedy.

Strange investigator

Till the end of his days, investigator Lev Ivanov was convinced that UFOs had destroyed the tourists, even formulating a decision to stop this case, he referred to an unnamed “elemental force” that the tourists could not overcome. In the case file, he entered information directly relating to the observation of “fireballs” during this period, as it was then called, but he was not given a lead in this direction, although he had witnesses.

Specifically, a group of tourists from the pedagogical institute under the leadership of Shumkov was 4-5-6 in February in 33 kilometers from the scene, on Chistopa mountain, and the participants of this hike said that they observed strange light effects as Dyatlov Pass, which they took to be signal flares. In particular, the participant of this campaign Vasiliev claims that he saw such an outbreak in the area of ​​the Dyatlov Pass at night on February 4.

Here is what investigator Ivanov said in one of his interviews:
“And once again about the fireballs. They were and are. It is only necessary not to hush up their appearance, but to deeply understand their nature. The overwhelming majority of informants who met with them speak of the peaceful nature of their behavior, but, as you see, there are also tragic cases. Someone had to frighten, or punish people, or show their strength, and they did it, killing three people.

I know all the details of this incident and I can say that only those who were in these balls know more about these circumstances. And whether there were "people" there and whether they are always there - nobody knows yet ... .. "


This is said by a professional who presented the picture of the incident better than us and knew much more than us, I personally trust him.

Dates

Two dates are fundamental for us; 2 and 6 February. The first is the date of the tragedy according to the version of the general civil investigation. Based on the second, indicating the beginning of the investigation, it can be assumed that this tragic story occurred on February 4-5.

In the first case, the tourists were not in the area of ​​Mount Otorten, and in the second they were there. It has already been said that the version with the date 2 February is doubtful, much more evidence suggests that tourists were returning from this ascent and not all of them were in order by that time.

I will not be unfounded, this is how the tent should have stood:



This is exactly the unfortunate tent set by all the rules, just a snapshot from another hike. Note the two skis used to keep the skate in the center of the tent. Search engines claim that one pair of skis on the pass was also not laid in the base of the tent and lay beside it separately.

But somehow the center of the tent needs to be maintained, and for this, tourists cut a ski stick along the length to use it as a backup, the fact of having such a trimmed ski stick inside the tent was recorded by the investigation.

At the last moment, it is only urgently necessary to abandon the use of already prepared skis and to spoil the ski pole, they did not have spare ski poles. It is simply impossible to go without a ski pole, which means they were returning and hoping to replace it in a shed, which was less than two kilometers away, they had a spare set of skis there.

After the ascent, the tourists should have been in these places in the evening of February 4, so the tragedy on the night from February 4 to February 5 is confirmed by the date of the beginning of the investigation in the regional prosecutor's office and the testimony of another group of tourists about the flash of light in the 1079 area.

Inconvenient witness and extra people

One of the search engines, Sharavin, who first discovered the tent and the bodies near the cedar, claims that these bodies were covered with a blanket, no one else saw this blanket.

Looks like Sharavin is telling the truth, look at the picture:



The bodies seem to be really covered in the chest area, but this is snow, it cracked and acquired the shape of the folds of matter, and the legs of the first body are also visible on the shin.

Strange snow, this is possible only in one case, when bodies sprinkled with soft snow were covered with heavy matter (blanket) and under the weight of matter snow acquired the shape of natural folds of the blanket. Then someone removed the blanket, and the print of the folds remained on the packed snow.

It means that the bodies were covered not immediately after death, but later, when there was at least a centimeter of 5-10 snow on them. Why it was done clearly, the bodies were damaged by birds, someone, in violation of instructions, regretted and covered them. And after the discovery of the bodies by the search engines, someone else removed this blanket.

There is no protocol of interrogation of Sharavin in the investigation materials, but the investigators took testimony from him. These testimonies of Sharavin could not get into the materials of the open investigation in principle, they are stored in a completely different place. For us, this means that, at least immediately after the events and before the arrival of the search engines, this area was under secret control.

At the scene of the incident, things not belonging to the group of tourists were found, the investigator reluctantly wrote them into the investigation materials, in particular the witness and participant in the events Udin said. It is possible to understand the investigator, to litter the investigation by ascertaining to whom what kind of rag he did not want.

But there are other facts about the presence of strangers after the tragedy, and moreover, after the search engines arrived there.

Firstly, there is no tent stand on the north side, several search engines stated this at the interrogations at once. It turns out that the stand was somewhere removed by unknown people.

The second fact concerns a pair of skis prepared for the device of the central stretching of the tent. In the pictures of the investigation, these skis are stuck in the snow, but not in those places where they have to stand in order to fulfill the role of stretch marks.

According to the same Sharavin, who first discovered the tent, this pair of skis lay in the snow in front of the tent entrance. Here is how he personally displayed it on the diagram:



In addition, there is evidence of witnesses about the presence of a trace in the shoe, there is a snapshot of this trace, a dubious fact, but in the aggregate, it confirms the suspicion of the presence of unauthorized people.

Just Sasha and an extraordinary orderly

The key figure in these events is Semyon Zolotarev, who asked to call him, “just Sasha,” when meeting a group. The man for the participants of the campaign is completely unfamiliar, a front-line soldier, a graduate of the institute of physical culture. These institutions, in addition to civilian specialists, trained professionals and a completely different profile. The ups and downs of his front-line and life journey, the strangeness of the funeral, speak of Zolotarev’s belonging to the KGB.



Another fighter of the invisible front, Colonel Ortyukov, head of the search operation, took part in the events. During the war he was the orderly of Marshal Zhukov, at least the searchers speak about this with his own words.



Here is what officially known about Ortyukov:
In 1939, he volunteered for the Finnish War. As commander of the ski sabotage battalion, he blew up an important strategic object in the rear of the enemy. In 1948-50 transferred to the headquarters of the Commander of the Urals Kuznetsov Military District; From 1950 to 1956 he was Secretary of the Military Council of Georgy Zhukov when he commanded the Urals Military District. Demobilized in 1956 year.
So the personality is not at all ordinary, by the way, the set of awards for Zolotarev and Ortyukov is almost the same, and this is only an apparent coincidence.


Obvious conclusions

First, the obvious circumstance underlying the events:

- The meeting of tourists with "Factor" was not an accident, it was a planned event.

The KGB organized this entrance to the locality for its employee under the cover of a group of unsuspecting tourists. Zolotarev was not alone, the group of tourists was secretly accompanied by other people, otherwise it is impossible to explain the fact that already on February 6, three weeks before the official discovery of the abandoned tent, the prosecutor's office and the police began to stir.

The presence of witnesses to the events on the Dyatlov Pass is confirmed by the strange circumstances of finding the flooring in the ravine. Look again at the picture of the excavation flooring in the ravine (picture above). The "point" excavation, as if they knew where to dig. Actually, this was the case, according to the recollections of search engines, in an order of theirs, they indicated a point where they needed to dig. Dug up and found the flooring ...

And now about the "Factor":

- “Factor” had a reasonable nature and reacted to the behavior of tourists.
- The liquidation of tourists was a reaction to their specific actions, and maybe not only them, but also to the actions of the group of secretive accompaniment of tourists.


Everything else in the second part of the series of articles ...
Author:
Articles from this series:
Weapons from the pass. Lemon pit principle
Non-classified materials - the truth is somewhere nearby (Part of 1)
Non-classified materials - the moment of truth (Part of 2)
The dead don't lie
Unclassified materials. Theory of everything
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  1. Majorloms
    Majorloms April 23 2013 08: 14 New
    13
    Good article.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 23 2013 11: 54 New
      +8
      I read it with interest, in general it is "unclean" ...
      1. Rider
        Rider April 23 2013 16: 34 New
        +3
        yeah yeah

        it’s clear that the matter is dark.
    2. Eleven
      Eleven April 23 2013 22: 07 New
      +1
      Look at a very good site.
      All photos from 6 cameras Dyatlovtsev, a scan of the criminal case and much more!
      http://pereval1959.forum24.ru/?0-22
  2. sys-1985
    sys-1985 April 23 2013 09: 04 New
    +5
    5+ article. It is not clear only the cruelty with which they were killed.
    1. Andy
      Andy April 23 2013 09: 37 New
      11
      I do not understand anything. neither cruelty nor a method of murder. Did you see in the text a barrel of alcohol into which you dived after opening? So human skin is sensitive to alcohol and after "bathing" you will jump like a horse! So what were the pathologists afraid of? Do not scare them with dead people
      1. huut
        huut April 23 2013 17: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Andy
        so what were the pathologists afraid of?

        Disinfection? Why else can you use alcohol in addition to killing germs?
        Removal of skin secretions? What could prevent sweat and fat, what else stands out there ... salt ...

        But if this contraption is dangerous by bacteria, then the nature of the damage to tourists is different ...
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek April 24 2013 00: 20 New
          0
          if it was disinfection, then the search engines, after all these things, could you even bury them alive, anyway "they won't make it by morning" ?? About alcohol in my opinion, this is nonsense, so, for the catchphrase.
      2. jjj
        jjj April 24 2013 00: 25 New
        0
        After bathing in alcohol you will not live long, you will die from hypothermia
  3. Takashi
    Takashi April 23 2013 09: 55 New
    0
    like I read this article on murders.ru: (/
  4. waisson
    waisson April 23 2013 10: 00 New
    0
    read with interest. just like I watched a recently released western feature film before that, I watched our documentary. And I always thought that the cause of death was a human factor and not extravagant power, as some people try to describe this tragedy
    1. Andy
      Andy April 23 2013 10: 19 New
      +5
      the film is gvno. that they are fictional (low-horror horror), that our documentary. they didn’t say anything about the case (why then make a film?), but there were some inserts about the tracker as he walked around the office and wrinkled his forehead for half the film
      1. Rider
        Rider April 23 2013 16: 36 New
        0
        so everything is clear, and there and there - money.
        Toko not ours - earned, ours - mastered.

        wink
  5. 755962
    755962 April 23 2013 10: 05 New
    +6
    By a strange coincidence ... the military are silent. But they say there were many ...
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su April 23 2013 10: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: 755962
      By a strange coincidence ... the military are silent.

      What should they say?
      1. 755962
        755962 April 23 2013 16: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: bot.su
        What should they say?

        Camping "SS" and "OV" stamp for a long time will not be removed .. At least the military.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su April 23 2013 19: 11 New
          0
          Quote: 755962
          Camping "SS" and "OV" stamp for a long time will not be removed .. At least the military.

          And what do they cherish under this vulture? Nanobomb?
          1. 755962
            755962 April 23 2013 19: 47 New
            +1
            And do you think they found the remnants of rocket fuel and rocket parts there? Yes, and military uniforms were also found. And when relatives turned to the institute for help in arranging pensions (or something related to money) they were sent .... to the military.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su April 23 2013 20: 55 New
              0
              Quote: 755962
              And the fortunes of yours there found the remains of rocket fuel and rocket parts

              And give me a reference, who discovered parts of a rocket and rocket fuel there? I’m listening for the first time. And there are expert opinions claiming that this is fuel?
              1. 755962
                755962 April 23 2013 22: 16 New
                0
                Recent movie - Mystery of the Mountain of the Dead. Dyatlov Pass. - added a new version - a part of the rocket fell near the tent. Spilled toxic fuel (heptyl) caused an emergency flight, leaving food products and burns on the body.
                In general, the versions of the sea ...
                http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%94%D1%8F%D1%82

                %D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0


                http://vg.ucoz.ru/forum/12-125-1/

                Who is what a lot ..
  6. tt75tt
    tt75tt April 23 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    when is 2 part?
  7. Stas57
    Stas57 April 23 2013 10: 24 New
    +9
    Friends, I ask you, well, leave Dyatlov’s group alone!
    Stop working for the public and come up with crazy versions
    Already got a movie, 2 of Malakhov’s program, so much shit for this month, American spies, aliens, drunk party bosses, idiots, jealousy and unrequited love.
    Ugh
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 23 2013 10: 48 New
      +5
      Stas, support. The inflamed human brain, as a rule, puts forward versions far more implausible than it actually was.
    2. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 11: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: Stas57
      Friends, I ask you, well, leave Dyatlov’s group alone!

      9 people were killed, and by whom and by whom it is not clear. Let's leave all the killings alone now, in which the tracks are confused. I support that you do not need to slide into absurdity, but at least part of the truth is worth finding out. Maybe it’s generally worth it to permanently block access to that place ...
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su April 23 2013 12: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Prometey
        Maybe it’s generally worth it to permanently block access to that place ...

        Do not talk nonsense. Scary - sit at home!
        Why are you killed? If there is no evidence of violence?
        1. Prometey
          Prometey April 23 2013 13: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: bot.su
          Why are you killed? If there is no evidence of violence?

          Hmm, well, if for you fractures of the ribs and the base of the skull are a natural state of a person, then it’s sometimes better to be silent. You can, of course, be attributed to an accident, but not in the wild and not for 9 people.
          1. Gahprom
            Gahprom April 23 2013 13: 41 New
            -1
            Hmm, well, if for you fractures of the ribs and the base of the skull are a natural state of a person,
            my brother broke his arm yesterday, repaired the roof and fell, who is to blame? Roof killer? State Department? Jewelers?
            Speaking in such a case, it is sometimes better to be silent. You can, of course, be attributed to an accident, but not in the wild and not for 9 people.
            what are you saying, if you don’t know of cases of mass death in the mountains or taiga, this is still nothing
            1. Prometey
              Prometey April 23 2013 13: 56 New
              +7
              Quote: Gahpro
              my brother broke his arm yesterday, repaired the roof and fell, who is to blame? Roof killer? State Department? Jewelers?

              So you’re kind of suggesting that you don’t slip into the discussion, but you have run into flat trolling. I’ll answer - you’re to blame, if you had repaired with your brother, he would not have fallen.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su April 23 2013 13: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Prometey
            in this case, sometimes it is better to be silent

            Or maybe you should first seriously study the materials of the criminal case? Severe injuries were not in 9 people.

            Quote: Prometey
            You can, of course, be attributed to an accident

            And what does not suit you with the avalanche version? Do you like conspiracy theories?
            1. Prometey
              Prometey April 23 2013 14: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: bot.su
              And what does not suit you with the avalanche version? Do you like conspiracy theories?

              Any version will personally suit me if it is transparent and generally accepted. Today there is none. The avalanche version has quite a few vulnerabilities. The fact of the matter is that I would like to hear just a rational explanation, and not conspiracy theories.
            2. Gahprom
              Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 36 New
              -2
              Quote: bot.su
              Do you like conspiracy theories?

              Likes, see below.
      2. Stas57
        Stas57 April 23 2013 12: 22 New
        -1
        9 people killed, let's leave all the killings alone now

        The investigation is completed. The case is closed, if there is a desire to resume, then this must be done in the appropriate procedural order, and not on forums and "Let them say" seek "the truth."
        However, someone is humbling, I want to have fried, all yetis and nanoplanets with American special forces.
        Therefore, you need to rub the skins on the forum, show corpses without eyes on ORT on Sunday prime time, shake dirty linen, invent jealousy, etc.?
        And all these dances on the bones of the dead ..
        I support that you do not need to slide into absurdity, but at least part of the truth is worth finding out.

        once again, are you going to reveal the truth to us, have you already prepared an article "murder"?
        Or Malakhov? Space Marines with ORT?
        Well, well.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey April 23 2013 13: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Stas57
          once again, are you going to reveal the truth to us, have you already prepared an article "murder"?

          I'm not going to do anything. Well, even if not "murder", but let's say not natural death. That is, it makes no sense at all to investigate ANY non-natural death, only because of the alleged respect for the victims? In my opinion, an initially incorrect approach, covering up inaction with pseudo-moralism. I apologize for the harsh tone.
          1. Gahprom
            Gahprom April 23 2013 13: 37 New
            -2
            That is, it makes no sense to investigate ANY non-natural death, just because of supposedly respect for the victims?

            Excuse me, are you a prosecutor? No?
            And then I can offer to "investigate" the rape case, oh how many "interesting details" are there, otherwise they came up with "ostensibly respect for the victims"
            1. Prometey
              Prometey April 23 2013 13: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Gahpro
              And then I can offer to "investigate" the rape case, oh how many "interesting details" are there, otherwise they came up with "supposedly respect for the victims"

              That is, the death of 9 people under unclear circumstances is an ordinary incident? In this case, read the tale about the bun - everything is clear and clear.
              1. Gahprom
                Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 13 New
                -2
                That is, the death of 9 people under unclear circumstances is an ordinary incident? In this case, read the tale about the bun - everything is clear and clear.

                Well, you and Kolobok will find everything that you need so much and crime, and murder and space.
                So, hurried for you, horror, horror

                Vasily o'Kochka's notes
                How to die in the mountains

                vasiliy_okochka
                18 December, 2012
                "How they die in the mountains" - under this title there will be several posts about the deaths of groups of people in the mountains. Of course, all these cases are not directly related to the Dyatlov group, but some analogy can be drawn, therefore the tag is appropriate.

                These cases also had every chance of becoming mysterious, very mysterious and simply inexplicable incidents if these groups had no radio communications or if one of the participants did not survive. If not for this, then it is entirely possible that then, as in the case of the Dyatlovites, many would build versions with the participation of Bigfoot, the Almighty special services, An evil alien mind and the like.

                http://vasiliy-okochka.livejournal.com/459600.html
                brrrr uuuuu how much material is ....

                P / S / about ordinary incident
                2012 year
                A young married couple from Russia died while climbing Mount Mont Blanc.
                10.01.2012

                Students from St. Petersburg died under an avalanche
                11.04.2012

                On Everest, a group of climbers died on 21.05.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX.

                On the border of Nepal and China during the descent from the summit of Everest, three climbers were killed. 22.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX

                Tourists covered with an avalanche in Adygea
                10.03.2012
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 23 2013 10: 57 New
    0
    Some facts! And nothing new!
    Well, what did the chemical analysis show then? What exactly?
    A bunch of unsaid and unfinished!
  9. revnagan
    revnagan April 23 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: Stas57
    Friends, I ask you, well, leave Dyatlov’s group alone!

    So what happened to them? Who calmly and brutally destroyed the 9 man? A vengeful sense of justice does not give rest, the criminal must be found. And cruelly punished ...
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 April 23 2013 12: 42 New
      -3
      So what happened to them? Who calmly and brutally destroyed the 9 man? A vengeful sense of justice does not give rest, the criminal must be found. And cruelly punished ...

      I’ll repeat my opinion for everyone,
      greasy
      for this, a new criminal case must be opened, an appropriate independent investigation conducted by the competent authorities, involving all possible examinations, checking all the most delusional versions, archives, interviewing witnesses, etc. In and as a result, the result of this investigation.

      Everything else, base movies horror films, TV shows with major presenters, forum megawaves, bestsellers are nothing more than dances and death PRs that produce new delusional versions and are not a step closer to the truth.

      Or there are supers here, sitting at a home computer and ready to "discover the real truth hidden in the archives" about a brutal murder .... yeah ....
      this is my back word (s) - everyone else can continue to mock the memory of the dead, sucking on the details of their last hours.
      article minus
  10. Prometey
    Prometey April 23 2013 11: 10 New
    +4
    Interesting and creepy at the same time. But I don’t believe in the human factor - 9 adults couldn't just be killed without a fight. Although the UFO is not believed either. An unknown creature?
    In those places the jungle is concrete. And as a child, my great-grandmother told me the legends that they found stray people in their forests, who fell dead dead from fear, and their bodies, if they did not find the animals, were untouched, only everything was broken. So you think where the truth is, and where is the fiction.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto April 23 2013 14: 29 New
      0
      The case is clearly sewn with white thread, which means that no UFO has anything to do with it.
  11. someone
    someone April 23 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    "Friends, I ask you, well, leave the Dyatlov group alone!
    Stop working for the public and coming up with crazy versions "


    What is it that after 50 years, people are still trying to figure out the deaths of 9 people! There are many questions and very few answers. And it’s good that there are those who are interested in this and who are trying to understand the essence of what happened.
    Based on your logic, you can generally close all eyes. Well, people died somewhere, well, let's leave them alone, because they cannot be returned. And no matter what they died for. My hut is on the edge.

    Z.Y. Personally, I would really like to know what caused the death of 9 experienced, equipped people. Even if only from those considerations, that God save Himself not to step on such a rake.
    Only who will tell the truth, since even after 50 years the documents have not been declassified. And as you can see, such documents still have a place to be.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 13: 39 New
      0
      Quote: someone
      Personally, I would really like to know what caused the death of 9 experienced, equipped people

      Me too. Although some comrades believe that this should not be done. I do not agree with one thing - the group was not experienced and completely unprepared for such trips.
      1. Gahprom
        Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 04 New
        -3
        .
        Although some comrades believe that this should not be done. I do not agree with one thing - the group was not experienced and completely unprepared for such trips.

        Hmm and I read that on the contrary experienced and "similar",
        It seems to me that you are specially raising fear.
  12. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer April 23 2013 12: 14 New
    0
    When the KGB detachment is revealed, then everything will become clear.
    For those interested, there is a whole forum: http://taina.li/.
  13. fenix57
    fenix57 April 23 2013 12: 29 New
    -1
    ++++ N-n-yes, it’s clear that the matter is dark. There are a great many versions, but .... these are just versions. hi
  14. pinachet
    pinachet April 23 2013 12: 44 New
    -1
    in general it is clear that the matter is dark.
    The article has many facts that were not mentioned on TV. (for two weeks about this incident there were probably five programs)
    and I also had a question why they decided that everything was at night, maybe it was day.
  15. major1976
    major1976 April 23 2013 13: 13 New
    -2
    The minus is unambiguous! Comrades Buyanov and Stolbtsov described the reasons for the tragedy in more details in the 70s of the last century !!! There is no sense in mistrusting the masters of sports in mountain tourism, meteorologists, glaciologists and forensics !!! There was a cold-avalanche accident! Who does not understand, there is such a thing the concept is in tourism and mountaineering! And all these Malakhovs with Hollywood directors grind rubbish making cheap PR on dead people! Advice to the author, the second part is better not to write !!!
    1. Gahprom
      Gahprom April 23 2013 13: 32 New
      -3
      I completely agree with you and Stas57
    2. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 13: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: major1976
      Cold avalanche accident occurred

      Against this version, there are also several counterarguments of no less specialists than Buyanov and Stolbtsov. An avalanche cannot selectively cripple people in one tent, breaking someone's skull and ribs, and others without even causing bruises. Or completely delusional assumptions about how with such wounds one could walk 1,5 km. Or how at -25 gr. frost at night, tourists circled around the waist in the snow in some woolen socks for several hours. And the version of how a girl fell face in a stream and in the spring microorganisms selectively ate her tongue, and her face was hardly touched - no less nonsense than other versions.
      1. Gahprom
        Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 36 New
        -2
        You can break your ribs by falling about your tent about a tent, since there’s a place to break them, by the way, they aren’t all broken, but about to go is your version, it’s really known that they were received during life.
        I was at -25 at the post, wearing only thin boots, so what?
        The tongue is eaten by animals, not microorganisms, enough to be a fool, a conspiracy theorist.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey April 23 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Gahpro
          The tongue is eaten by animals, not microorganisms, enough to be a fool, a conspiracy theorist.

          Hey wise guy! Before arguing, read the source and other works whose authors are trying to rationally explain the death of the group, including putting forward versions of being in a tent during an avalanche and why a student was found without a tongue. It clearly says - the tongue and larynx were eaten by bacteria. For such slow-thinking people like you, this is not my version, but those who wrote about the death of group members. Animals gnaw all tissues, and do not delve selectively. It is impossible to reach the tongue without examining the mouth and jaw.
        2. Prometey
          Prometey April 23 2013 17: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Gahpro
          I was at -25 at the post, wearing only thin boots, so what?

          Well done, get a letter. I suppose you would have survived the Titanic disaster in the water. And here we were at a construction site in winter in boots at -25 we could not stay longer than 1 hour, we ran to warm ourselves and drink tea. Although, you can stand in different ways.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Gahpro
          stop fooling around, conspiracy theorist

          I don’t understand one thing, if you are not interested in discussing, don’t discuss !!
          But you write nonsense!
          What for?
    3. Begemot
      Begemot April 23 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      I will support! There is a simple rule: do not look for wonderful explanations until you find realistic ones. I had to visit those places in 2010. I saw Mount Otorten with my own eyes. The places are really unusual, but there is nothing supernatural there. I also agree that there was, if not an avalanche, then a shift of a large mass of snow, crushed those who were lying along the way, jumped out in panic and ran away, given that I had alcohol with me, the likelihood that they drank before going to bed. They could also get sick. When a person freezes, he loses his self-control and the ability to think logically, actions become inadequate, therefore, looking for logic in behavior in such conditions is a mistake. And everyone froze at different times, some earlier, some later. Night in those parts in February 13-14 hours, at minus 25 "C you will not last long.
      All other arguments and contradictions are the result of an underdeveloped scene from experts.
    4. Humpty
      Humpty April 23 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      Well, well. In order not to trust the experts, we certainly need very good reasons. You yourself have seen many frozen or dead in an avalanche. You have an idea how it looks and what are the differences in the case of the murder of the Dyatlov group.
      1. Begemot
        Begemot April 23 2013 15: 47 New
        0
        Fucking: Had to twice. A year in 1985-86, after a small party at work, the employee did not leave the next day. Two days later, the group in which I was and I found his body under the bridge. He was naked, wearing only underwear, his clothes lay scattered around.
        The cause of death is hypothermia, in the same year his boss froze to death in the garden. The first had an ulcer attack and he could not get out of the snowdrift because of the pain, the other had a heart attack. And speaking of the "murder" of the Dyatlov group, dear, one must bear in mind that we will have to present the "murder weapon", based on the facts, I believe that until now there are such weapons only in cartoons.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty April 24 2013 05: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Begemot
          Fucking: Had to twice. A year in 1985-86, after a small party at work, the employee did not leave the next day. Two days later, the group in which I was and I found his body under the bridge. He was naked, wearing only underwear, his clothes lay scattered around.
          The cause of death is hypothermia, in the same year his boss froze to death in the garden. The first had an ulcer attack and he could not get out of the snowdrift because of the pain, the other had a heart attack. And speaking of the "murder" of the Dyatlov group, dear, one must bear in mind that we will have to present the "murder weapon", based on the facts, I believe that until now there are such weapons only in cartoons.

          Quote: Begemot
          Fucking: Had to twice. A year in 1985-86, after a small party at work, the employee did not leave the next day. Two days later, the group in which I was and I found his body under the bridge. He was naked, wearing only underwear, his clothes lay scattered around.
          The cause of death is hypothermia, in the same year his boss froze to death in the garden. The first had an ulcer attack and he could not get out of the snowdrift because of the pain, the other had a heart attack. And speaking of the "murder" of the Dyatlov group, dear, one must bear in mind that we will have to present the "murder weapon", based on the facts, I believe that until now there are such weapons only in cartoons.
        2. Humpty
          Humpty April 24 2013 05: 29 New
          +2
          Begemot
          The sweetest murder weapon could be the trained arms (legs) of the killers. Ask, what about their traces? So if you move downhill on skis or upward with kamuses dressed on skis, then in a blizzard in half an hour there will be no traces. And the investigation did not pay attention to many oddities. A "version" with a powerful avalanche is as likely as the coming of evil aliens. There is nowhere for an avalanche to form and gain strength.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Humpty
            The cutest murder weapon could be the trained arms (legs) of the killers

            There are no external skin lesions!
          2. Begemot
            Begemot April 24 2013 09: 02 New
            +3
            For the "cutest" answer, but on the subject: ask yourself another classic murder question: what is the motive, especially in the context of "killing" 9 people at once? And why should this be done in such a remote, deserted place, where you can only get to on foot, when it was quite possible to take them closer to their homes. Yes, and hands as a tool still had to leave marks on the body, any forensic scientist will tell you, you cannot break the skull and ribs and leave no marks on the skin. Moreover, not all of them had mechanical injuries, and the girl, who was apparently the last to die, had her lip bitten, which indicates a state of resentment and despair.
            No need to look for incredible explanations until you find realistic ones.
          3. Peter Ivanov
            Peter Ivanov 25 March 2018 01: 00 New
            0
            So it was ...
        3. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 25 March 2018 01: 08 New
          0
          Murder weapon:
          1. Frost - hypothermia to death!
          2. Killing with arms and legs - Craniocerebral injuries with a fracture of the temporal bones / group fractures of the ribs of the chest, after which hospitalization and rest or death are necessary / eyeballs of several victims were squeezed out (torn);
          3. Knife - the girl’s tongue is cut out. What and to whom did the Komsomol say? If she was so raped? Look for a knife in the USA where saboteurs came from - former Vlasovites or ukronationalists ...
    5. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer April 24 2013 01: 15 New
      +1
      Read the forum: http://taina.li/. There, Buyanov's version of the avalanche is lucidly criticized. Buyanov has a version according to the principle: "So much the worse for the facts ..."
  16. Drejk
    Drejk April 23 2013 13: 33 New
    +9
    Article super author huge respect for the work done. One question - where did such details and scans of case materials come from? In order to put it all this way, you need to know a little about the case materials and understand what is in them, what is not, and what should really be! The author himself is related to the Authorities in particular to the investigative department or the department of the prosecutor's office !!! I’m telling you as a criminal lawyer! So the question is: if there is access to the archives of the prosecutor’s office, then maybe you should look for requests to provide case materials to other departments ??? In fact, they should be anyway. Or, knowing the materials available, I like to feel all-knowing, and the rest goofy?
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su April 23 2013 18: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Drejk
      In order to state everything in this way, you need to know the materials of the case and understand what is in them, what is not, and what should actually be

      The case is in large parts on the net. Enthusiasts are working to put it out completely. Look for the "Dyatlov pass", "the secret of the Dyatlov pass" or at least the death of the Dyatlov group on Wikipedia. Or here at this link http://dyatlov.looo.ch/p/toc
      And you will understand that the next unfortunate specialist writes garbage, taking advantage of the fact that everyone is too lazy to study the source ...
  17. goody
    goody April 23 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    The thought after reading is one: "how much is still unconscious and mysterious in the world"
    The article is excellent, I look forward to continuing
  18. elk
    elk April 23 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    A lot depends on the presentation of information. A text compiled using professional skills is very likely to lead the reader to the version that the author wants to submit.
    Unfortunately, any of the versions put forward today inevitably has a taste of conspiracy theories. The reason for this is very simple - any of the authors operates with a limited number of facts, and these facts clearly do not provide an understanding of the causes of the death of the group. Each of those involved in this topic has to make their own assumptions, trying to bring the reader to a logically impeccable result. And even those authors who, trying to be objective, offer completely distant versions of events from each other, are compelled to admit completely different versions of the development of events in each version based on the same facts.
    I will not put forward my versions or dispute existing ones. I note one thing - after 3 days I open the season in Karelia, the places are deaf, the experience is 18 years old, I observed unidentified objects directly in the vicinity of the proposed parking lot. And hell, there is a slight sense of discomfort).
    PS
    Be realistic, but do not forget that our boundaries of reality can be narrowed)
  19. elk
    elk April 23 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    And of course a canvas tent, a portable wood-burning stove, tarpaulin windbreakers, "koloboks" backpacks, a group ration for a 4-day ski trip ... young guys. And "hurray" progress!)
    1. Gahprom
      Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 14 New
      +1
      Now with GPS in the membrane they die only like that, death in the mountains is no longer an event, everyone is used to it.
  20. Volkhov
    Volkhov April 23 2013 14: 21 New
    0
    Dyatlov’s group was embroiled in discussions with an unclear purpose - whether to prepare society for new knowledge, or use it as a topic on duty instead of TV shows.
    Concrete recommendations can provide real benefits, what to do in their place - to hide under the covers.
    Now, in order ... When the ancestors shot down comets of the contact BG, some of the fragments were thrown into the future and they jumped into the atmosphere with the same course and in the same place, but later in time (according to the cone of temporary displacement) - that is, areas similar to the areas falling rocket stages, but more serious. The explosion of a fragment of a comet is like in Chelyabinsk. Mount Otorten is such an area, and it says in the local name (Do not go there). In another similar area in the Irkutsk region in 56, a military unit came under the explosion of a comet, where it was perceived as a nuclear strike and control was restored only for 3 days. Therefore, they became interested in the anomalous and the Chekists appeared on the expedition.
    They were lucky, they found what they were looking for - a small comet exploded and they were in the zone of action of the explosion element - the axial ion beam (leader discharge) and received beta damage - radiation and possibly partial asphyxiation from + oxygen ionization. This is evident on the reddish skin. In addition, they had to quickly lose sight.
    An explosion of a small comet was seen at a weather station to the north (high-altitude rose).
    Protection from these factors is shelter. The ancient kings used a dugout with copper lining (in the myths of Ancient Greece it was described how Eurystheus hid in such a place from Heracles), in the open area - thick clothes and a wrapped face, like that of the Tuaregs - they stop the electrons and the skin remains whole.
    So if you come across this - act like children and animals - in a hole and take cover with thick clothes, and the Dyatlovtsy started running and got a dose and blindness, the rest from the frost.
    1. Gahprom
      Gahprom April 23 2013 14: 37 New
      -3
      I agree with the version of a meteor or an ice comet, it could very well frighten and expel.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 23 2013 17: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Gahpro
        I agree with the version of a meteor or an ice comet, it could very well frighten and expel.

        I recall the recent meteorite explosion in Chelyabinsk. Everyone came out to take a look at the houses, but no one in panic escaped without shoes.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov April 23 2013 18: 57 New
          0
          And you will visit areas to the south-west, where the forest was burning and the funnel was knocked out - they were not in vain cordoned off.
      2. DmitryK
        DmitryK April 29 2013 17: 10 New
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        It was a continuing event, clearly not an explosion
    2. Black
      Black April 23 2013 19: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Volkhov
      When the ancestors shot down comets of the contact BG, some of the fragments were thrown into the future and they jumped out into the atmosphere with the same course and in the same place, but later in time (according to the cone of temporary displacement) - that is, areas similar to the areas of falling rocket stages, but more serious .


      Excuse me. Are you all serious or kidding me? They shot down a comet, ???? who shot down? What are you really ....
      1. ivanovbg
        ivanovbg April 23 2013 22: 27 New
        0
        Volkhov believes in the conspiratorial theory described on sinteh.info Very interesting for entertaining reading, no worse than the X-Files series. Just don't get carried away, and even more so - send money to "fight against the Venusian colonialists." Which is very funny to me - even in this interplanetary conflict, the guilty is not anyone else, but exactly the Jews. He laughed out loud. With the expulsion from Ur of Galdee for three millennia BC. e. and before the colonization of the Earth by the Venusian civilization, all Jews and Jews are to blame.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov April 24 2013 12: 10 New
          0
          Jews are not to blame - they are simply the first victim of the manipulation of external forces.
          Now often use zombies in war and terrorism - they are also not independent, just technology ...
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 24 2013 12: 07 New
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        In the Irkutsk region in the Mama region, comets fell in 2002, 2012, earlier in 1956, in addition, the Patomsky crater (a trace of the leader discharge) and many lakes with white sand are traces of old falls.
        Calculate the probability of an accidental drop in the comet lineup in 1 area at different times.
        The north of the Irkutsk region is the capital of Tartaria, and it was covered.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      So if you come across this - act like children and animals - in a hole and take cover with thick clothes, and the Dyatlovtsy started running and got a dose and blindness, the rest from the frost.

      Nonsense !!
      In your opinion, how did grenades explode comets?
      Some died, another ran for half an hour, then also died ??
      Brad!
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 24 2013 12: 18 New
        -2
        Send an agent to the Chelyabinsk region - if they do not catch him, he will tell you everything, Azerbaijan will arm himself with heavenly fire and finally defeat Armenia (if the Armenians do not send the agent earlier). There just now everyone is gathering gravel from the crater to collect (it was scattered throughout the district). Let the locals earn money at least at spy hotels.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 24 2013 13: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Volkhov
          Send an agent to the Chelyabinsk region

          haven’t written anything smart yet !!
          You would have to heal!
    4. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 25 March 2018 00: 58 New
      0
      ... In one black, black city, the back of a black, black street, on that street ....
  21. Adorofeev63
    Adorofeev63 April 23 2013 14: 25 New
    +2
    Yeah. Interesting thing, people are sorry, you look at the pictures, but they can’t tell what happened there.
  22. Humpty
    Humpty April 23 2013 14: 50 New
    -2
    Leave the souls of the innocent slain alone.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      Leave the souls of the innocent slain alone.

      one more pop inadequate)))))))))))))
      go do your business !!
  23. Jnj
    Jnj April 23 2013 14: 53 New
    +1
    And yet it is stupid to think that they were killed by some unearthly "force". Judging by the available facts, this is the idea of ​​the KGB, or testing a new weapon, as it is written on Wikipedia. Are these two versions not related in one? It seems to me that this is how it is.
  24. SHOGUN
    SHOGUN April 23 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    And I do not believe, not Comrade Buyanov, or Comrade Stolbtsov! I believe that something terrible happened there, and this "something" goes beyond the understanding of the average person.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 17: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: SHOGUN
      And I neither believe, nor Comrade Buyanov, nor Comrade Stolbtsov!

      Their work is clearly "custom-made" so that there are no interesting questions.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: SHOGUN
      I believe that something terrible happened there, and this "something" goes beyond the understanding of the average person.

      Here you are right !!
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 25 March 2018 00: 54 New
        0
        There was nothing supernatural! The actions of people are beyond the understanding of an ordinary person! And when special services are drawn into completely peaceful circumstances and a failure occurs in the operation, often the uninvolved peaceful ones and those involved are often unjustifiably killed, as in this case!
  25. fight
    fight April 23 2013 15: 49 New
    0
    The question is as follows: In one of the documentaries, it was indicated that one of the bodies had a tongue torn out. But there was no explanation for this. Can anyone explain this?
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: luta
      The question is as follows: In one of the documentaries, it was indicated that one of the bodies had a tongue torn out. But there was no explanation for this. Can anyone explain this?

      There is still no explanation for this. Versions about the decomposition of the language and "eaten" by animals are absolutely untenable.
  26. wown
    wown April 23 2013 16: 41 New
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    article is good! largely agree with the author. The author is not far from Buyanov. I look forward to continuing
  27. _KM_
    _KM_ April 23 2013 16: 47 New
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    On the Bores forum:
    http://zanuda.offtopic.su/viewforum.php?id=56
    rich list of hypotheses.

    The most interesting moment is that the tourists drove out of the tent. In my opinion, a layman could be infrasound. Although an abnormal phenomenon with infrasound is also not excluded.
  28. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg April 23 2013 18: 00 New
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    I also really liked this article. I put a big, bold plus. Congratulations to the author and look forward to continuing. For those who are not interested, please do not read and find something that is closer to their intellectual level. For example, material about the underground life of potatoes or something similar. The world is unknown and there are many secrets in it.
  29. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 23 2013 18: 09 New
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    The fact of leaving the tent in an emergency reminded me of the story of the Flying Dutchmen, which were discussed 40 years ago in Technique of Youth. The last time "Flying Dutchman" (I don't remember the name of the ship) is indicative. When we climbed onto its deck, we found that the food in the galley did not have time to cool down, and there were no more people on the ship. After ultra-long waves were detected in images from space in the Indian Ocean, it was believed that these waves generate infrasound, which causes fear and panic in people, forcing people to jump overboard. There is something similar in the story with the Dyatlov group. Note that at least two people were already unconsciously holding knives in their hands, which allowed them to evacuate from the tent, not through the entrance, but along the shortest path through the cuts in the tent canvas. People did not have to look for knives, they were already holding them in their hands. This point should be specially noted.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 23 2013 18: 55 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      these waves give rise to infrasound, which causes people to fear and panic,

      So it seems that experiments were already carried out on volunteers, which confirmed that the human ear does not perceive infrasound and, accordingly, it does not cause any effect on people.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 24 2013 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      . People did not have to look for knives, they already held them in their hands. This point should be noted especially.

      I do not agree!
      The tent is small!
      A knife in such cases, when hiking is always there!
  30. spd2001
    spd2001 April 23 2013 18: 12 New
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    For me this topic is very interesting, I study, read, draw conclusions. Himself a past investigator. I recommend everyone to read:
    http://www.murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html#12
    I’ve been reading it for about 2,5-3 months already, not because I don’t know how to read, but because I analyze all the arguments. For me, the above version (if not the only true one) is the most plausible and has the right to exist. There are controversial points, but the author himself does not exclude the controversy of these points.
    P.S. "It is impossible to see a black cat in a dark room, especially if it is not there."
  31. Ulysses
    Ulysses April 23 2013 18: 36 New
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    The author claims that tourists not They went on the ascent, but returned from it.

    But the band members kept diaries, and quite detailed.

    And they (diaries) do not confirm its version.
  32. Krilion
    Krilion April 23 2013 19: 01 New
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    the solution to the tragedy should begin with the question of the reasons for the secret investigation of the event ...
  33. Opera
    Opera April 23 2013 19: 03 New
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    Quote: major1976
    Comrades Buyanov and Stolbtsov, in the 70s of the last century, described in detail the reasons for the tragedy !!! Do not trust the masters of sports in mountain tourism, meteorologists, glaciologists and forensic experts there is no sense !!! There was a cold-avalanche accident! Who does not understand, there is such a concept in tourism and mountain climbing!

    If this is such a generally "simple event" that even the term is his explanation of what prevented his comrades in the 50s, everything is so simple and easy to explain - so they say, and so "an accident" happens in tourism!
    Comrades in the 50s, I think it was no worse than Buyanov and Columns in the 70s!
    No guys, something is wrong here!
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 24 2013 21: 34 New
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      Quote: Oper
      If this is such a generally "simple event" that even the term is his explanation of what prevented his comrades in the 50s, everything is so simple and easy to explain - so they say, and so "an accident" happens in tourism!
      Comrades in the 50s, I think it was no worse than Buyanov and Columns in the 70s!

      I agree completely!
  34. anatoly57
    anatoly57 April 23 2013 19: 11 New
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    In the investigation book by Buyanov and Slobtsov, there are quite logical and, in my opinion, quite plausible facts and conclusions. Everything else, well, there, aliens, "Bigfoot", the machinations of "gebni" or secretaries-military - from the desire for some popularity, the desire to file a "hotter" old tragedy. It is necessary to understand that the whole truth can no longer be found out, simply due to the age of years and the little information.
    1. pinachet
      pinachet April 23 2013 19: 18 New
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      so the fact of the matter is that if everything were just long ago they would have forgotten about it. but it can be seen that there are certain facts that do not give a simple explanation.
      Wikipedia also has an article, I’m interested in the version about special services.
  35. maxiban
    maxiban April 23 2013 19: 37 New
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    Something fed up with this topic. According to the zombie man only about this, the American crap movie came out, and here too. For what purpose is this shaggy subject pedaled?
  36. Black
    Black April 23 2013 19: 42 New
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    Mysteriously all. And the passion of power from everything to do universal secrets mysteries that elevate to the rank of mystery. It seems to me that most likely there was something completely mundane in the tragedy.
    The victims have relatives alive, I think they have the right to know the truth. Why documents are still not declassified, I do not understand.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 24 2013 09: 19 New
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      Quote: Chen
      The victims have relatives alive, I think they have the right to know the truth. Why documents are still not declassified, I do not understand.


      I agree!
      this suggests that there is something in this issue that we can only guess!
  37. WIN969
    WIN969 April 23 2013 20: 27 New
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    Mulder and Scully in the studio smile
  38. ng1941
    ng1941 April 23 2013 21: 45 New
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    It's simple, you can’t prove anything without documents, you can only put forward versions, and this is philosophy :) there’s no use, however, there’s no harm, but it’s interesting to read
  39. Max otto
    Max otto April 23 2013 22: 40 New
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    On this occasion, everything is practically chewed. And despite the channel, this movie is not bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIEjoPU_6-k
    There was no avalanche, there was a local collapse of the snow hanging over the tent, by the way with large masses, the action is similar to a blast wave, there is damage, there are no traces, because the material is soft. The guys thought that the avalanche was starting, so they ran just to the side, not thinking where and how. I don’t know, all these cameras, who are undressed, who aren’t, tired people sometimes go to bed as they are, where they fell in, so when they are fleeing, they are all dressed differently. Well, suppose that someone specially gave a camera to another, so that the investigation would find something there - well, this is really awesome - it’s nonsense, you never know how he turned out to be in the group, usually all normal people have everything in common, but they were normal unequivocally. About the watch, they could have asked their comrades to pick it up and give it to someone, if it can, in those days the watch was a valuable personal thing, it was worn not like now for 1-2 years and thrown away, but it was also inherited. As for two bodies without a tongue and eyes, they were found in the spring and in the stream, and in the water what just doesn’t happen, so almost everything is explainable, you just have to calm down the imagination. The only sober article in the article is the assumption of the date of death, this is the only sensible assumption.
    1. tomket
      tomket April 23 2013 23: 04 New
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      About languages ​​and eyes. The nurse who was the only one who survived to this day from the autopsy group worked in an institution that was involved in opening frozen runaway prisoners from nearby colonies, so according to her, these corpses were no different from those corpses, their tongue and eyes are the result of the work of Arctic foxes, sorry the terrain is such and the little animals have eaten all the most delicious for themselves, that's all the puzzles.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass April 24 2013 09: 44 New
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      I agree to 100% only it is unclear why the tent did not fall asleep
  40. tomket
    tomket April 23 2013 22: 49 New
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    I somehow don’t really believe in the machinations of the bloody Gabny, firstly, they organized everything in a confusing way, secondly, they could strangle the person of interest and leave the bear’s paws, and remove the 9 person without further distinct incense, as the author clearly holds our specialists for cretins, if they wanted to clean up so clumsy, why did they go so far into the forest?
  41. tomket
    tomket April 23 2013 22: 56 New
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    Next, about the tent. It was cut from the inside with three knives, that is, people realized the danger emanating from the outside, and from the inside of the canvas tent only a brightly glowing object is visible. And here is the most interesting! there are two craters nearby, it would seem a trail of a rocket or a meteorite, but !!! These are not 59 year funnels, but 1943 funnels! In 1943, an entire squadron of aircraft disappeared there and this is still a white spot in the history of aviation. After that, there were also accidents. I recall the stories in the anthology of mysterious cases in the "technician-youth2", in particular about how ball lightning flew aboard the Pe-8, and how the same ball lightning fried tourists in sleeping bags overnight in a tent. He personally lived in the Urals, beyond Lysaya the mountain was the Sverdlovsk region, the glowing balls often flew, the light at night was cleaner than the moon.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 24 2013 00: 38 New
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      Just about the case with ball lightning and tourists in a tent, I remember. They lay on dielectric rugs, the charge could not go into the ground. It seems that he survived alone - he was without a rug
    2. Prometey
      Prometey April 24 2013 12: 06 New
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      tomket
      What you mistook for ball lightning, as known in nature, could not be such. Of course, the very phenomenon of ball lightning has been little studied. It is reliable that it does not have an electrical nature (although it may be connected with it). The so-called ball lightning is a plasma state of a substance. The reasons for its origin are not known, because the terrestrial atmosphere is not a natural plasma habitat - for this there are stars and a thermonuclear reaction. Therefore, ball lightning is an abnormal phenomenon. In addition, the life time of ball lightning in the atmosphere does not exceed an average of tenths of a second. Therefore, stories of flying ball lightning in rooms and chasing people are fables. The fact that you observed luminous balls is also an anomalous phenomenon, but not ball lightning.
  42. Teacher
    Teacher April 23 2013 23: 18 New
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    Guys, read the criminal case materials, they are available. After that, you will have many questions. For example, where did the two pieces of the tent go, maybe the tourists fleeing in a panic not only cut the tent, but also cut out two pieces? And then where did they do it? There is something incomprehensible in this case above the roof, but guys, do not make judgments based on information from the television screen, there is complete nonsense.
  43. воронов
    воронов April 24 2013 00: 08 New
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    A group of Dyatlov was killed either by local Mansi, because they invaded their sacred, sacred places, or they ran into convicts and not necessarily runaways, because this is a zone of correctional camps and ZK could be un-deported, I personally am inclined to the second.
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer April 24 2013 01: 17 New
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      Well, yes, convict. And they didn’t take away any things, nor money, nor a flask with alcohol ...
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK April 30 2013 13: 43 New
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      The most sacred place for Mansi is a vodka store. There’s no reason to get people dead .... Prisoners in those places have nothing to do, they are in the opposite direction.
  44. mo4amba
    mo4amba April 24 2013 00: 36 New
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    Great article, everything is told with factual evidence, and not just evidence! more such detailed investigations!
  45. jjj
    jjj April 24 2013 00: 40 New
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    About forty years ago, the Mi-6 crashed in the Northern Urals. He was never found
    1. maniac
      maniac April 24 2013 03: 27 New
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      An-2 last summer with a bunch of people disappeared in the same places is still not heard, not the spirit.
  46. Stalinets
    Stalinets April 24 2013 03: 11 New
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    I didn’t read it carefully, just didn’t notice the mention of the avalanche on the Dyatlov. People were killed. What is there in these parts? Is there any secret object, well, there is an underground base of the Strategic Missile Forces, or some kind of underground city? Green men are active in such places. Is it not an "abnormal" place ... There are questions. Is there an entrance to some kind of intercontinental tunnel ... One way or another, but the witnesses were killed. Isn't it ritualistic? ... request
  47. maniac
    maniac April 24 2013 03: 36 New
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    During the reign of Yeltsin. A group of UPI students and teachers interested in the investigation officially turned to President Yeltsin (like a former UPI graduate) with a request to be allowed to get acquainted with the "real case" from the KGB archives. Received an official refusal from the presidential administration with motivation. "This case is a state secret and does not fall under the removal of the secrecy stamp." A familiar UPI teacher told me about this.
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets April 30 2013 07: 04 New
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      So the state is involved ...... yes
  48. piotr534
    piotr534 April 24 2013 05: 26 New
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    Excellent article. The author logically and consistently eliminates all delusional versions and points out inconsistencies in the versions that are more reasonable. There is no doubt the author is an intelligent, thoughtful professional. Against the background of all the nonsense about this tragedy, this is probably the most noteworthy publication. We look forward to continuing. And on the account of the fact that someone is already tired of scribble on this topic, there is an excellent solution. DO NOT READ!!!!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 24 2013 09: 45 New
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      Yes, we are waiting for the second part with impatience
  49. maniac
    maniac April 24 2013 05: 57 New
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    above spd2001 already gave a link, I will repeat http://www.murders.ru/Dyatloff_group_1.html#12

    a competent expert investigation is conducted by a professional investigator, taking into account all the facts and nuances. I have never met a more sensible, competent and meticulous investigation of the Dyatlov case. Read and delve into - A HUGE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS and FANTASIES WILL GO FOR YOURSELF!
    what is presented in the documentary is disparate facts with delusional speculation. There is only one thing about the Russian-Amer blockbuster
  50. mirag2
    mirag2 April 24 2013 07: 40 New
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    Lord, what nonsense! There is no desire to write an article in 2200 characters, I would explain that these were ordinary convicts who escaped many (several) years ago and now (1959-scourges), and whom they accidentally photographed on the way to the mountain .In the last picture, not "balls" but a flashlight (flashlights) of people who drove them out on the night of frost, the criminals themselves remained in the tent and they cut through the tent, planed the ski pole needed for tourists, sat in the tent overnight, possibly shone a flashlight into the slot , making it clear that they are here and tourists should not return. Then they followed in the footsteps of the departed victims and finished off the survivors (they killed in prisons and then jumped from the upper bunks onto a person, breaking ribs), such people (ready to act above) could have been cut out from a dead or dying person, for words that hurt themselves, to maintain authority (who was in prison, will understand, and who communicated with convicts of the old generation who were imprisoned during the war and immediately after will not see anything beyond , especially cruelty. In the shoots they ate people andit was in the order of things). Of the first five found dead, three climbed (while dying) back into the tent, hoping to warm up and survive, they were pushed there by the instinct of self-preservation, which overpowered all fears. The same instinct, perhaps, did not allow them to share clothes when death is near everyone wants to be saved himself, exploits, when people die slowly saving others at the expense of themselves, is not a widespread phenomenon, a fact that cannot be argued with. Someone shared their clothes, some didn’t. Or they took off their clothes from the dead. who lived longer, to death specifically at the hands of those who drove them out of the tent. Here is the situation in general terms.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 24 2013 13: 13 New
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      mirag2
      Your version is untenable for a number of claims. Well, excuse me, what pests in the wilderness and even in winter? What did they eat there? Well, let there be prisoners. However, the question immediately is how many convicts? A well-known fact - convicts - is an antisocial element and they run alone or in a pair. Firstly, in order not to attract attention, and secondly, as I have already said, they cannot get along for a long time in a group without a strong authoritative authority. The issue of quantity is very important. It can’t be that 7 adults and strong enough men (women are left aside) give up without a fight and let themselves be killed as a chicken. Only if there were an equal number or more of these convicts, but then where are the numerous tracks? And what kind of jumping from the bunk? But they were not in the zone, but in the forest, where there is more knee-deep snow (do you jump a lot while standing in the snow to the waist?). And with what, these whip-convicts did not soak everyone in the tent at once, but let everyone leave, and then, remembering themselves, began chasing them through the forest? And why did they leave things, did not take off their watches and clothes?
      Well, not as a human factor does not fit together. There is only one explanation for the version of the murder - who or what was killing the group should have had a clear quantitative advantage (where are the traces of the presence of strangers?) Or possessed much more power than a person. And the tourists knew about it, because they left (ran away) from the tent.