Soviet fighters in the USAF (part 1)

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If you believe open sources, the Yak-23 became the first Soviet jet combat aircraft trapped in the United States.

In October, the CIA carried out an Operation Alpha Project (Project Alpha) to transfer to the United States to study and test the Yak-1953 fighter in October. The plane was transported from the “Balkan country No. XXUMX” to the “Balkan country No. XXUMX”. “Balkan country No. XXUMX”, Yugoslavia, agreed to temporarily transfer the Yak to the Americans. For a fighter at the airfield Pancevo, near Belgrade, flew a transport C-23. The fighter was transported to the United States at Wright-Patterson air base in a disassembled form. The assembly was carried out under the supervision of Yugoslav experts. The first US flight of the Yak-1 performed 2 in November 1. In total, from the 124 to 23 in November, the US Air Force test pilot Lt. Col. Fred Wolf performed eight flights. In the United States, American identification marks and the registration number “FU-4” were affixed to the Yak with washable paint. Before returning the aircraft to the “owners,” all symbolism was washed away from it.

To work attracted a very limited circle of people. Randomly seeing the Yak, it was represented as X-5. The experimental X-5 really had some external similarity with the Yak-23.

It must be said that the Yak at that time was of interest to the United States only insofar as it was believed then in the United States that it was in large quantities in service with the air forces of Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Poland. By November 1953, the Americans had a more advanced fighter than the Yak-23, the MiG-15 fighter.

The report on the testing of Yak Americans made the following conclusions:

“The Yak-23, like its predecessors, is a single-seat light nigh-plane fighter. The aircraft is equipped with only the most necessary onboard equipment. The advantages of the aircraft include take-off qualities, good acceleration characteristics, high climb rate. Disadvantages: absence of a pressurized cabin, speed limit M = 0,8, poor travel stability at instrument speed above 600 km / h. ”

In late November or early December, the Yak-23 on the C-124 was taken back to Belgrade.

This story about the appearance of the Yak in the United States was published in the US Air Force magazine "Air Force" (No.6 / 2004). It is clear that this story is not quite complete. For example, the Americans did not explain where the aircraft of this type came from in Yugoslavia itself, and why the Yugoslavs showed similar courtesy to the Yankees. Let's try to clarify this situation.

Yugoslavia after breaking relations with the USSR began to receive military assistance from the United States. In March 1953, the first four T-33s landed in Batainitsa, and in June the first F-84G Thunderjet. In July, Yugoslav experts got the opportunity to get acquainted with a Soviet-made fighter jet: on July 24, the Romanian Air Force pilot Mihai Dyakonu flew to Yak-23. The fighter was handed over for testing to the Experienced aviation center (Vazdukhoplovny opitni centar). Three Yugoslav test pilots flew to Yak: captains Vodopivets (17 flights, 8 hours 27 minutes), Todorovich (three flights, 1 hours 14 minutes), Prebeg (one flight, 20 minutes). Pilots rated the Yak-23 as a high-speed aircraft with good handling.

There was no time for detailed tests, because representatives of the CIA of the USA learned about Yak. The Americans have asked to transfer the Yak to them. The top leadership of Yugoslavia did not refuse the US request. Officers of the Experimental Center, Colonel-Engineer Kosta Sivchev and Lieutenant-Colonel-Engineer Milorad Spasić, as well as Aircraft Weaponry Specialist Major Miroslav Boras, Aircraft Equipment Specialist Major Zvonimir Kos and Engineer of the Aviation Technical Institute Branislav Iovanovic accompanied to America.

So the Yak came to the USA. This is the Serbian version, which looks much more authentic than the American. On the future of this Yak-23 in the open press information was not published. By the way, the public only became aware of the flight of the Romanian pilot to the SFRY only 35 years later. In 1956, the Yugoslavs returned the Yak of Romania, and Mihai Diaconu lived in Belgrade, at least until the middle of the 1990's.

Soviet fighters in the USAF (part 1)
Yak-23 at the Yugoslav airfield

In the USA, temporary identification marks and registration numbers were applied to the aircraft.

Yak-23 inspects Josip Broz Tito


However, Americans showed a much greater interest in those years to the MiG-15 fighter, which they first encountered in Korea.

To get their hands on the usable MiG-15, the Americans conducted an operation "Moulah" (Moolah) in Korea. As far as is known, the Yankees didn’t forcefully attempt to land MiG-15, because they were realists - air battles were fought over the territory controlled by the North Koreans. There was one alternative to forced landing: to persuade any pilot to fly to South Korea.

On the night of 26 on April 1953, in the area of ​​the Yalu River over North Korea, about half a million leaflets with texts in Russian, Korean and Chinese were dropped from two B-29. The Americans promised to pay the brave pilot, who overtook the MiG on the side of the "allies" of the UN (the United States waged war in Korea under the auspices of the UN, along with Great Britain and Australia), 100000 dollars - huge for those times. Belief that the leaflets "work", the command of the US Air Force did not test. Nevertheless, 21 September 1953 g. At the airport Kimpo landed MiG-15bis. By that time, five months had passed since the leaflets were scattered, the fighting in Korea ended - the truce was signed on July 27 on 1953. Americans had time to forget about Operation Mulah.

But Kum Sok's flight from Pyongyang to Kimpo took only 13 minutes ... The MiG completely accidentally “secured” the four Saber planes that landed. Two accompanied the fighter before landing, two went a little higher, ready to shoot down the MiG.

Americans came to their senses instantly. The Korean pilot was a company of intelligence officers, and the MiG-15 was dragged into a well-guarded hangar.

The reasons for which Kum Sok overtook the MiG to the enemy are no longer established today. If, according to Americans, he spoke about himself as a good Catholic, he recalled how drunk Russian soldiers who had occupied Korea made a terrible impression when he was a child. He showed a photo of his girlfriend, telling him that during the war the pilots were forbidden contact with the female sex, for beautiful girls were almost certainly South Korean spies ... This is, so to speak, lyrics. The facts are much more interesting. "Good Catholic" became the youngest Communist pilot of the DPRK Air Force. He made the first sortie in 1951 at the age of 19 years, completed more than 100 sorties in all, was awarded two orders, although he did not win victories in air battles. Probable cause could be filial love - the mother of a lieutenant with 1950, remained in the "southern" territory.

By this time, Western experts already had the opportunity to study the MiG, however, very fluently. 5 March 1953. The Polish Air Force pilot Lt. Frantisek Jareski took off on the MiG-15bis to perform the next training task from the Slupsk airbase, but performed landing at Ronne airport on Bornholm Island. A few days later, the fighter had to be returned to People’s Poland, and Frantisek Yareski went to the USA — he, as Western propaganda used to say, “chose Freedom.” By the way, a photograph of Yaresky was printed on leaflets that the Americans scattered in Korea.

A bad example is contagious: 5 in May 1953 was flown to Bornholm by a colleague of Yareski on the 28 th Fighter Squadron Lt. Zdislav Yazvinsky stationed in Slupsk. The Poles flew twice to the MiG-15bis to the West: November 7 1955 Lieutenant Kozhukhovsky from the 31 Squadron of the Polish Air Force (the Lask airfield) made an emergency landing in Sweden, September 25 1956, Lieutenant Zygmunt Gosnyak made an emergency landing in Sweden, 15 September, XIUMX Lieutenant Zygmunt Gosnyak made an emergency landing in Sweden, XNUMX September September, IG, IGNGX, Lieutenant Zygmunt Gosnyak made an emergency landing in Sweden. XNUMXbis with a retracted landing gear at Ronne airport. None of these MiGs were tested in flight.

But back to the North Korean MiG.

The Americans were afraid of North Koreans trying to bomb the hangar with the MiG and immediately began to disassemble the aircraft. Technicians were horrified by the technical condition of the fighter. J. I. Kelper of the 6401 th Maintenance Squadron (6401st Field Maintenance Squadron), who participated in this work, recalled in the pages of The Air Force Museum Foundation Magazine (issue over the summer of 2006): “All pneumatics needed in replacement ... All pipelines at the bend points were flattened. It is not clear how the fuel came to the engine at all and how the system for cleaning and releasing the chassis could work ... Not a single American plane in this state would have allowed flights. ”

MiG-15 in the hangar of Kimpo airbase, South Korea

Flyer calling for Chinese pilots to fly to South Korea. The leaflet is “decorated” with the photograph of Polish Air Force Lieutenant Frantishek Yareski


Kelper suggested that the horrific technical condition of the aircraft was the result of the hasty dismantling of the MiG by North Korean technicians before relocating from China to the DPRK at the end of July 1953 and the subsequent not very high-quality assembly. According to Kelper, from 1952, the pneumatics for Korean MiGs were supplied from China, already then the glorious quality of their products.

The next day, the partially disassembled MiG was loaded into C-124 and delivered to Okinawa, where American test pilots performed the first flights on it. The first flight was performed by Kh.I. Collins Campaign Collins was the famous major Chuck Eager, who was once the first in the world to break the sound barrier. Iger nearly broke the MiG. When performing a dive from a height of 15000, the plane lost control - the well-known effect of “delaying into a dive”. Iger regained control only at the height of 900 m. During the dive, the MiG accelerated to speed M = 0,95.

After several flights in Okinawa, the fighter was again dismantled. In this form, it was transported in December 1953 to the United States at the Wright-Patterson air base. In the Wright-Patterson, the MiG was experienced in a “real way”. Particular attention was paid to the comparison with the "Sabre" and came to the conclusion that one fighter is worth the other: they are approximately equal in flight data and combat effectiveness.

In 1957, the aircraft was transferred to the US Air Force Museum. As for But Kum Sok, he received his 100000 dollars immediately. Another 100000 dollars he perepal for information that US intelligence received from him during surveys and conversations, which were conducted for seven months. But Kum Sok changed his name to Kenneth Row, brought his mother from South Korea to the United States, got married, became a US citizen, graduated from Delaware University, worked at Boeing, General Dynamics, General Electric, became a professor. In 1996 in the USA, the memories of the Korean pilot “A MiG-15 to Fredoom” were published. In 2004, US citizen Ken Rowe flew a MiG-15UTI flight with Korea-based Saber pilot Dore Sutton. That's just happy for Row's story turned into a tragedy for his friends. Five pilots who were friends with No Kum Sok, after stealing a MiG in Kimpo, were shot.

MiG-15 and F-86 Saber take off as a pair. Okinawa, 1953


MiG-15 Bis guarded while awaiting flight tests in Okinawa




Many years later, Kum Sok, recalling the war, frankly laughed at American leaflets: “When Americans dropped leaflets, neither Soviet, nor Chinese, nor our MiG-15 were based in the DPRK. Even if our pilot read the flyer, then what? We had no idea about the value of the dollar. We then received 500000 Chinese won a month (about 50 dollars) and did not know what to do with this money. We were still not released from the base. ”

“Focus” with leaflets Americans repeated in 1966 in Vietnam. For hauling the MiG-21 fighter and Mi-6 helicopter from the North to the South, the Yankees offered the same 100 000 dollars. But no one was found.

MiG-15 Lieutenant No Kum Sok with insignia of the USAF


Mig-15 in the hangar of US Air Force Base Kimpo


And the new MiGs were oh-so-needed to Americans.

According to official American data, the ratio of victories in air battles in the sky of Vietnam for the period from 1965 to 1968 was 2,5: 1 for the Air Force and 2,75: 1 for the US Navy, i.e., at least one "Phantom" , Thunderchief or Crusader. Given the quantitative and qualitative superiority of American aircraft over the air forces of the DRV, such a ratio could not please the Pentagon. Even greater fears caused the alignment, so to speak, losses. In 1966, the MiGs accounted for 3% American aviation losses over North Vietnam, in 1967, 8%, and for the first three months, 1968, 22%. It was necessary to completely revise the tactics of combat use of fighter aircraft. It is obvious that heavy, optimized for air battles at large distances with the use of guided missiles "Phantom" in a "dog fight" outright lost, it would seem, outdated MiG-17, armed with "only" guns. Meanwhile, in melee guns were weapons much more threatening than the imperfect SD “Sidewinder” of the first modifications. In addition, most American fighter pilots had a rather vague idea of ​​a maneuverable air combat — they were taught to intercept Soviet bombers, and not to turn turns with “flying antiques”. It must be said that in 1968, the main opponent of the American pilots was precisely the MiG-17, and not the MiG-21, whose contribution to the common pool of air force victories was not very large.

The command of the US Navy has formed at the Miramar airbase the now world-famous Center for Combat Training of Top Gun fighter pilots (Top Gun). The overwhelming majority of the crews of the US Navy carrier aircraft, which recorded downed MiGs, went through this “school”. In the USAF there was no such center. The final US air combat statistics are therefore not surprising: 8,3: 1 for the Navy and 2,8: 1 for the USAF. The Vietnamese pilots, in turn, preferred to fight with camouflage (BBC), rather than gray (Navy) "Phantoms".

Much has been written about “Top Gun”, even the movie is beautifully filmed. Nevertheless, there are plenty of secrets in the history of this Center. The pilots at the Center received training as part of the Constant Pig US Air Force program. It was preceded by the evaluation tests of the MiG-21 fighters under the Have Donut program and the MiG-17 "Have Drill / Have Ferry" conducted under the auspices of the CIA of the United States.
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  1. +19
    19 February 2013 09: 55
    Decently among the Poles there were traitors.
    1. +9
      19 February 2013 10: 33
      Yeah ... Serbs are just the same brothers as the ever-memorable Bulgarians ...
      1. +9
        19 February 2013 10: 56
        Quote: Civil
        memorable Bulgarians

        Well, no one can compare with the Bulgarians, after 1877-78. After a short time, they fought against us in two world wars.
        1. Avenger711
          -2
          19 February 2013 13: 06
          They didn’t fight at all.
          1. +3
            19 February 2013 13: 56
            Quote: Avenger711
            They didn’t fight at all.

            You mean - didn’t shoot?
    2. Cadet787
      +16
      19 February 2013 13: 59
      Vladimir.
      Even in Soviet times, the Germans in the GDR said that the Pole is not a nationality, this is a profession.
      1. +1
        19 February 2013 14: 54
        Quote: Cadet787
        Pole is not a nationality, this is a profession.

        Exactly, traders.
        1. +1
          19 February 2013 20: 17
          Offensive words, say Panova, very offensive. Tukhachevsky, Vasilevsky (only by surname) and Rokosovsky - who are these comrades? Two of them are definitely Poles, and one of them is a "marshal of victory". Therefore, there is no need to pour mud on the people, whose ancestors beat our ancestors many times on the battlefields and in many ways their country could become a collector of Russian lands, not Moscow. If they have such an attitude towards us, then this is our fault.
    3. 0
      19 February 2013 20: 04
      And how much now, and how much more will be ....
      1. 755962
        +2
        19 February 2013 20: 20
        However, the Americans showed much greater interest in those years to the MiG-15 fighter



        Former North Korean MiG-15 at the US Air Force Museum
        Immediately during the war, the Americans failed to capture a single aircraft. Only after its completion, in September 1953, the North Korean pilot But Gymsok, who did not know anything about the proposed reward, hijacked the MiG-15 to South Korea. This aircraft was tested in flight by the famous American test pilot Chuck Yeager. Then the United States offered to return the MiG to its rightful owner, but no country expressed a desire to pick it up, and the plane was sent to the National Air Force Museum
      2. 0
        21 January 2017 17: 42
        Among the Soviet traitors, defectors, the vast majority were Ukrainians. Not a single German. Greek and others
    4. Andrey58
      +2
      19 February 2013 20: 14
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Decently among the Poles there were traitors.

      Only among the Poles?
      In 1948 Yak-11 fighter was hijacked from the Grozny flying school to Turkey.
      October 9, 1948 pilots P. Pirogov and A. Barsov hijacked a Tu-2 aircraft from Kolomiya airbase to Austria (landing in the area of ​​Linz).
      In 1949 hijacking the La-9 fighter to Sweden.
      In 1956 According to Western press reports, a Soviet pilot on a MiG fighter flew to the West.
      In 1961. Soviet pilot on a new Su-9 interceptor fighter flew to the Iranian city of Abadan. The plane was dismantled and transported to the United States and the pilot went there, with whom the officers of the Department of Foreign Technology (Foreign Technology Division) of the US Department of Defense had previously had conversations.
      In 1973. pilot instructor of the Armavir Flight School Safronov flew to Iran.
      May 27, 1973 aircraft engineer lt E. Vronsky took off on a Su-7BM aircraft from the Grossenhayn air base (GDR). Since the “pilot” did not have practical flying skills (all his experience was limited to “flying” on the simulator), a “soft” landing was excluded. In order not to risk it, he catapulted immediately after crossing the German border. The plane crashed into the forest near the city of Braunschweig. The entire flight took place in afterburner operation of the engine with an uncleaned chassis. The wreckage was returned to the Soviet side, and Vronsky was granted political asylum.


      The traitor has no nationality.
    5. rubber_duck
      +5
      20 February 2013 00: 21
      But the Vietnamese are pleased. In vain we left there, in vain ...
    6. Samurai
      0
      20 February 2013 11: 32
      So among the Soviet
  2. +23
    19 February 2013 10: 08
    Nice flock thanks.

    Stalin did not love Tito for nothing. As he did not puff into any clothes he did not dress up and he was far from the father of the peoples. That compensated by betrayal. But the Vietnamese did not fall for it. Fighters are one word.
  3. 0
    19 February 2013 10: 53
    8,3: 1 for the Navy and 2,8: 1 for the US Air Force.

    Not understood! Is it 8 shot down MiGs for one downed American? What is it, they were there like Tuzik tore a heating pad? To say "sadness" is to say nothing.
    1. +6
      19 February 2013 11: 01
      Quote: Storyteller
      Is it for one downed Americanos 8 downed MiGs? What is it, they there ours as Tuzik a hot-water bottle tore off?

      Well, if you put a trained crew in our T-55, and the Zulus in Abrams, the result will be the same. A trained warrior is half the battle.
    2. +12
      19 February 2013 14: 32
      Quote: Storyteller
      Do not understand! Is it for one downed Americanos 8 downed MiGs? What is it, they there ours as Tuzik a hot-water bottle tore off?




      For all the years of the war, fighter aircraft of the Vietnam People’s Army destroyed 350 enemy aircraft. Vietnamese aviation lost much less - 145

      In Korea, Pepelyaev’s regiment shot down 100 Americans with the loss of 10 of their own .. Our pilots counted 1.097 victories (own losses: 319 aircraft / 110 pilots). The regiment in which the Minsker Lev Shchukin fought lost 18 combat vehicles (of which 15 - irretrievably); 101 American aircraft shot down. Losses 1 to 5,6. Killed 8 pilots, of which only 2 in battle, the rest - when trying to land damaged aircraft.
      The list of Korea’s top 10 aces is headed by Captain Nikolai Sutyagin - 22 victories, Colonel Evgeny Pepelyaev - 20, Captain Lev Schukin - 17 (two in the group). Further: one - 15 victories; two for 14; one is 13; one is 12; and two - by 11. Victories were recorded only upon confirmation from the ground. Many pilots were not counted victories, because downed planes fell into the sea (over the front line) or exploded in the air.

      The Americans recorded victories on a machine gun. If the pilot of the downed car ejected, it was possible to make several calls on the “empty” plane (which was done) and record a few more “victories” on tape. The best achievement of the Americans (taking into account such additions) - 16 victories (captain Joseph McConnell). One pilot claimed 15 victories (Major James Jabarra), two about 14, one about 13 and five about 10.

      The Americans later admitted that they had lost more than 2.000 aircraft, however, they attributed 55% of them to non-combat losses. If, for example, a plane shot down in battle crashes into the sea - this is a “non-combat" loss.
      1. Larus
        0
        19 February 2013 19: 45
        Well, as always with them, otherwise voters will not understand what they are there, or else they’re doing it somewhere)))
  4. demon ada
    +2
    19 February 2013 11: 20
    statistics is a complicated matter
    they also considered damaged planes
    often damaged aircraft returned to their base
    and after the repair continued the service
    how many american planes were shot down in vietnam ???
    and the phantom against the Mig-15 and Mig-17 are not those losses
    aircraft of different generations)))
    and the Vietnamese fought and not the Soviet aces
  5. +4
    19 February 2013 12: 58
    Quote: Vadivak
    But the Vietnamese did not fall for it. Fighters are one word.

    They are not conducted today. And they don’t bother with them anymore.
    1. smprofi
      +2
      19 February 2013 13: 58
      Quote: Rambiaka
      They are not conducted today




      the arrival of the flagship of the US 7th Fleet USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19), along with the destroyer URO USS Chafee (DDG-90) and the rescue ship USNS Safeguard (T-ARS-50) in the Vietnamese port of Tien Sa. 23.04.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX



      Vice Admiral, Scott 7th Fleet Commander Scott Swift with Vietnamese officers



      there were other visits. and not only friendly, but also for the purpose of conducting joint exercises.

      1. +4
        19 February 2013 14: 22
        The people standing in the ranks of the Vietnamese are so friendly when they look at the commander of the 7th Fleet. laughing
        1. +5
          19 February 2013 17: 27
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The people standing in the ranks of the Vietnamese are so friendly when they look at the commander of the 7th Fleet

          Also drew attention, probably recognized reptile
  6. smprofi
    +4
    19 February 2013 13: 38
    I do not know if the author will mention in subsequent publications, but in addition to the Center for Combat Training of Top Gun Fighter Pilots, Soviet MiGs were used at the Lockheed research base - Area 51 ("Area 51", aka Dreamland, McCartan's County, Paradise Ranch, Home Base, Watertown Strip, Groom Lake, The Box, Neverland). if interested about the base: http://nnm.ru/blogs/smprofi/zona_51_chast_i_baza/



    Soviet MiG-17 fighters were held in the Pentagon documents as F-113, and the MiG-21 was called F-114. MiGs were brought into the Red Hats squadron.



    Lockheed Lead Designer Clarence Leonard “Kelly” Johnson also used data from MiG research to create his aircraft
  7. +10
    19 February 2013 14: 03
    The Vietnamese fought, by the way it was very good. My father was an instructor pilot. So he praised the Vietnamese pilots very much. The only drawback was that almost all pilots had a shortage of weight, and when doing maneuvers with great overloads, they simply lost consciousness. Therefore, before they began to intensively feed them, and the Vietnamese fought bravely and desperately. A large number of losses in the initial period were explained by both poor pilot training and outdated equipment. But after the USSR began to supply new MIG 21s to Vietnam, and the pilots gained experience, the situation has changed. In general, Americans do not really like to remember Vietnam, because raked there to the fullest.
    1. smprofi
      +5
      19 February 2013 15: 06
      Quote: Ralex
      all pilots have a shortage of weight, and when performing maneuvers with large overloads, they simply lost consciousness

      they lost consciousness not from a lack of weight, but from a low-calorie diet. I don’t know how the pilots were fed, but, for example, the norm already in the late 70s - early 80s, the soldier had a bowl of rice and 50 grams of meat (the Mongols, for comparison, 2,5 kg of meat per day at the same time had ). "And the vegetables?" - "And vegetables in the forest!" it was his father who taught with foreigners, including the Vietnamese. but Vietnamese officers-pavoshniks (veterans of the war with the Americans, lieutenant colonels and colonels with an awesome iconostasis on their chest) surpassed everyone else at the training ground: they deployed the S-60 anti-aircraft gun from the traveling position faster than anyone else and hit a moving target with the first shells (a couple of km on rails on the old tank was launched on the platform). in theory, the Vietnamese were a little weak.
      1. pavlo
        +3
        20 February 2013 01: 06
        not burned every day 2.5 kilograms of meat haw?
  8. opkozak
    +2
    19 February 2013 17: 02
    Roll call in the Vietnamese squadron.
    -Ivanov-s - I.
    -Not me, but that one.
    - Perov-ovs - Toy, Comrade Major.
    -Perovs. Talks! We are in Vietnam!
    -Sinitz-un-un.
    - ...
    -Tits-eun-eun !!
    - ...
    -Sinitsyn! fuck!
    -I AM...
  9. Andrey58
    -7
    19 February 2013 20: 20
    It is striking that the pilots fled exclusively from East to West. In the opposite direction, no shoots were recorded. This fact says a lot about life in a "socialist paradise".

    The reasons why But Kum Sok surpassed the MiG to the enemy today cannot be established ... The facts are much more interesting. "Good Catholic" became the youngest communist pilot of the DPRK Air Force.

    The key word is "communist". The leader of this gang, Ulyanov-Blank, sold his homeland for three rubles. What do you want from your followers.
    1. pavlo
      +1
      20 February 2013 01: 07
      And they simply weren’t allowed back, business !!!
      1. Andrey58
        0
        20 February 2013 17: 57
        Our fugitives? Let's say. And what did their native pilots not run?
    2. Kaa
      +1
      20 February 2013 05: 31
      Quote: Andrey58
      In the opposite direction shoots are not fixed

      "in the period from 1921 to 1936 only in the BSSR, 58 thousand people moved from abroad. Now, reading the monograph by O. Ken and A. Rupasov "The Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Relations of the USSR with Western Neighboring Countries," I found data on how they fled to the USSR from Finland. In 1930, 1174 people illegally crossed the Finnish-Soviet border, in 1931 - 2488, in 1932 - 7207 people. In total, from 1930 to 1934. from 12 to 15 thousand Finns moved to the USSR.
      And one more interesting moment: when in 1931 peasants from Poland fled en masse to the USSR, the Politburo adopted a special decision "On defectors", which instructed not to organize a propaganda campaign in the media about this. The Soviet leadership clearly did not want to accept the masses of defectors from neighboring countries http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/370693.html
      And why do we need their aviation, if ALL political and military-technical information was received both from the "Cambridge five" (they still do not know how many of them were in real life) and from nuclear physicists and from THOUSANDS of people who unselfishly worked for the USSR and in about the pair B-29 = Tu-4 in the know? So the American pilots preferred to land in the USSR, and not in China or Manchukuo ... this is directly about pilots and airplanes.
      1. Andrey58
        -2
        20 February 2013 18: 05
        Quote: Kaa
        "in the period from 1921 to 1936, 58 thousand people moved from abroad to the BSSR alone. Now, reading the monograph by O. Ken and A. Rupasov" The Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the relations of the USSR with the western neighboring countries, " about how they fled to the USSR from Finland.In 1930, 1174 people illegally crossed the Finnish-Soviet border, in 1931 - 2488, in 1932 - 7207 people.In total, during the period from 1930 to 1934, the USSR crossed from 12 to 15 thousand Finns.

        Let's not compare the incomparable. I talked about the pilots. In this case, it does not matter whether we needed samples of Western technology or not. The fact itself is important: they fled from the Union, but not to the Union.
        If we compare the total number of emigrants, then for the USSR the picture will look even sadder:
        According to demographers A. Vishnevsky and J. Zayonchkovskaya, there were three waves of emigration during the Soviet period from 1917 to 1990. carried away from the USSR 12,5-15 million people.
        http://www.irex.ru/press/pub/polemika/09/dol

        Not 12 thousand or even 58, right?

        Quote: Kaa
        About a pair of B-29 = Tu-4 in the know? So American pilots preferred to land in the USSR, rather than in China or Manzhou-Go ... this is directly about pilots and airplanes.

        Do you understand the difference between an emergency landing on the territory of a union state and hijacking an airplane at an aerodrome of an enemy power?
    3. Andrey58
      0
      20 February 2013 18: 08
      I see some people really do not like to remember about the "sealed carriage". Alas, you cannot erase words from a song. It was.
      1. +1
        21 February 2013 20: 32
        Andrey58
        I see some people really do not like to remember about the "sealed carriage"

        And some really like
    4. -1
      21 February 2013 20: 24
      Andrey58 The leader of this gang - Ulyanov-Blank, sold his homeland for three rubles.

      Shit you're smelly, here you are!
    5. 0
      21 January 2017 17: 50
      Such. like you ran - now to the party for a career, then to the west - for the dough
  10. +2
    19 February 2013 20: 58
    I wonder how many "enemy" cars do we have?
  11. +2
    20 February 2013 00: 49
    Well, the Americans like to fuss about their imaginary victories! I recalled the anecdote of those times:
    3 Amer pilots sit in Vietnamese captivity and communicate.
    Who brought you down? - Russian!
    And you? - Also Russian.
    And you? -Vietnamese!!! -Tell me!
    I’m flying, I’m flying, and here I hear in the headset: Van’s cover, I ...
    Well, this X..nu and hit me!
    1. Kaa
      +3
      20 February 2013 05: 05
      Quote: Marconi41
      Well, this X..nu and hit me!

      "Fighter pilot in combat over Vietnam
      It knocks down the seventh plane
      And the weighty RUSSIAN word inserts -
      Yes, fall, fuck .. in your mouth! " laughing
      1. 0
        21 January 2017 17: 54
        The source of this song of the early 50's is:
        "Chinese pilot over Taiwan
        It knocks down someone else's plane.
        And a well-aimed Russian word instills:
        "You burn. Well, your mother ... b! 2
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    21 February 2013 17: 02
    I liked the article very much.
  13. Columbus
    +1
    25 November 2013 08: 11
    Andrey58, Jackal you do not touch the cheap Soviet Union. Such as you need to put on a stake. Prostitute !!!