Soviet fighters in the USAF, MiG-21 and MiG-17F (part 2)

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"Twenty first"

For the first time, the presence of the MiG-21 fighter in the US became known in 1969, when the Aviation Week magazine from 17 February blew up an information bomb, reporting on secret flights of the MiG-21 fighter jet last summer to the air force pilots USA. More detailed information about the MiG tests had to wait almost 30 years: the Air Force partially declassified the MiG test program only in March 1998.

Soviet fighters in the USAF, MiG-21 and MiG-17F (part 2)


Fighter hit the US from Israel. As a result of the operation of the Israeli secret service MOSSAD, Iraqi Air Force captain Monir Radf completed a landing at the Hatzor 21 August 13 at the MiG-1963 F-16 (1966 aircraft of release). Israel had time to get the aircraft board number "100". Yes, yes: "Bond, James Bond!"

The test of MiG in Israel became known to the Americans. The relations between the USA and Israel at that time were not yet close cooperation, while Israel’s partnership with European states in the area of ​​military equipment procurement had already cracked. The United States made an offer that was impossible to refuse. In exchange for the "lease" of the MiG, Washington offered to supply the Israeli Air Force with "Phantoms", not for free, of course.

At the Groom Lake Air Base, the fighter was delivered in semi-disassembled form by the Galaxy Air Force C-5A to the USAF. Aircraft tests in the United States were carried out by the Foreign Technology Division of the Air Force (Foreign Technology Division, FTD) deployed at Wright-Patterson Air Base. The test program was named "Have Donut". Flights on the MiG-21 (US Air Force serial number "80965") in the US began in February 1968 at Groom Lake Air Base in extreme secrecy.

The first flight on the MiG for the American pilot was an introductory one. The pilot got acquainted with the reaction of the fighter to the deviation of the controls, then performed simple figures like turns. At medium height, he released chassis and flaps, simulating the landing and evaluating the minimal evolutionary speed of the MiG. Then landing was performed. In the second flight, the pilot was already able to perform vigorous maneuvering on verticals.

By March 1968, most of the scheduled test program was completed. The program provided for the performance of 134 flights, the 102 flight was carried out with an 77 flight. Hours. The 33 flight was performed for comparative air battles with US Air Force planes, and the 25 flights with US Navy aircraft; 26 flights were made for the removal of LTH, stability and controllability assessment, four flights in the interests of the US Air Force air defense command, and two flights in the interests of the Strategic Aviation Command. Nine more flights were made to remove the radar portrait of the MiG-21, one flight to measure the infrared signature of the MiG (measurements were taken from the T-39A Seybriner aircraft equipped with special equipment imitating, in particular, GSN UR Sidewinder), one flight for filming from different angles and one, the very first flight - to fly around after assembly. Due to the failure of the onboard equipment, the 11 flights were canceled: an unfamiliar MiG-21 for technical personnel demonstrated reliability the same as the Air Force and Navy fighter jets worked out in service.

From the Air Force, test flights from the Edward base and the pilots of the Combat Operations Center from the Nellis airbase performed flights. The test pilots evaluated mainly the stability and controllability of the MiG, and removed its real characteristics. Instructors from the base Nellis flew to combat use.

The testers are very highly rated MiG-21. The American pilots found few flaws: poor visibility from the cockpit, low engine throttle response, shaking in flight at low altitude at a transonic speed, lack of stabilization in roll, heading and pitch, difficulty flying, dim navigation lights.

In the air battles with the F-4C / D / E, the MiG-21 demonstrated superiority in turns, but was inferior due to lower thrust-to-weight ratio and poor engine pick-up in verticals. The Phantom pilots were given a recommendation to avoid fighting with the MiG-21 at low altitudes at a speed of less than 830 km / h, the attack should be carried out in the rear hemisphere, where the pilot of the MiG-21 has a very limited view. Recommended combat height is about 4500 m, speed М = 0,98. The report specifically noted for pilots F-4 in particular in large letters: "SPEED WAS LIFE", speed is life.

The best way to shoot down the MiG-21 for the F-105 pilot was to launch an unexpected attack in the rear hemisphere. In agile combat, the MiG-21 completely surpassed the F-105. The F-105 had a more powerful cannon armament and a more advanced sight, but the APR-25 radiation warning receiver mounted on the Thunderchief did not provide timely detection of the MiG-21 radio rangefinder. To survive in combat with the MiG-21, the F-105 pilot was recommended to maintain a maximum speed below 4500 m and to avoid a maneuvering bout; do not under any circumstances reduce the speed to 830 km / h; Do not rely on the APR-25 receiver, constantly inspect the airspace visually.



The results of the battles on the turns of the MiG-21 and F-111 were also in favor of the Soviet fighter. Again - "SPEED WAS LIFE". It was recommended to the F-111 crew to carry out an attack only from the most favorable position from behind from above at speed M = 0,98 and immediately leave without getting involved in a “dog fight”.

The Super Saber was comparable to the turns with the MiG-21, but surpassed the Soviet aircraft in overclocking characteristics. The missile armament of both fighters is about equivalent, but the F-100 outperformed the MiG-21 in guns. The F-100 carried four air-to-air URs, while the MiG-21 carried only two, but the MiG's sight allowed the use of URs from long distances and in a larger range of overloads. On the whole, the F-100 was inferior in terms of maneuverability to the MiG-21 and to the pilots of the Super Sabre, again, it was recommended not to get involved in the battle, but to use the hit-and-run tactic. Similar recommendations received and pilots F-104.

Pages from the MiG-21F-13 test report in the US, Have a Donut program


Only an F-21A was capable of conducting an equal maneuvering battle with the MiG-5. And here the "picture" was changed exactly the opposite. All other fighters of the US Air Force received a relative advantage over the MiG-21 only at altitudes above 4500 m and at high flight speeds. F-5A surpassed the MiG to a height of 4500 m and was inferior at high altitudes. The F-21A pilot could effectively conduct an air combat with the MiG-5 at a speed of no more than M = 1,2 and at an altitude of less than 4500 m.

Recommendations on separation from MiGs were issued to pilots of bombers and reconnaissance aircraft:
- RF-101: moving upwards at maximum engine thrust or diving at an angle of 45 and more;
- В-66: there are no chances at all, it is necessary to cover the fighters, in the extreme case - leaving the descending spiral with overload 3g. “B-66 is the target”;
- RF-4C: the onboard equipment allows to detect the MiG-21 in a timely manner, moving upwards at the highest possible speed.


MiG-21F-13 "Have Donut" in flight


The fleet set against the MiG-21 aircraft F-4F / J, F-8E, A-4F, A-6A and A-7A. The results of comparative battles with naval “Phantoms” were no different from the results of battles with the F-4 Air Force, except that the sailors noted as negative the “smoke production” of “Phantoms” compared to the MiG. “Kruseyder” beat MiG at low altitude, higher advantage was lost. The MiG-21 pilots did not have any difficulties with the “destruction” of all attack aircraft. A-7 showed itself worst of all: the report read: “there is no chance at all!”. In the interests of the Air Defense Command, they conducted comparative battles with the F-106 interceptor. The interceptor radar in all respects exceeded the MiG-21 radio sight, which is not surprising. At high altitudes, the F-106 showed the best overclocking characteristics. Based on the results of the fighting, recommendations were made about installing a gun on the F-106 and changing the cockpit's glazing, while the pilots were advised to patrol at speeds above 740-830 km / h.

The US Air Force SAC checked in real conditions the operability of the radiation warning receivers installed on the B-52 and B-58 bombers. The B-4 T58 receiver confidently detected the MiG-21, while the ALR-52 receiver mounted on the B-18 produced an error in measuring the distance to the “threat” in 1-3 km.

The direct result of the “Hug Dugnath” program was the formation in aviation US Navy Center "Top Gun". The reaction of the US Air Force was slower, but large-scale: in the 70s, the Red Flag exercises began to be held annually, and the famous squadrons of "aggressors" appeared.

The MiG-21 F-13 fighter that took part in the “Hev Dugnat” program in April 1968 was allegedly returned to Israel. It is possible that Israel received a MiG-21 F-13, but another one! From where in the US 1968 received another MiG (and whether they received) is unknown. In 1972, the plane “Hev Dugnat”, already with the “keel” number “007”, again appeared in the USA. Ultimately the fighter that became part stories also the Israeli Air Force, received a permanent "registration" in the Israel Air Force Museum.




MiG-17F: Have Drill / Have Ferry

Following the MiG-21F-13 in the United States conducted an evaluation test of two MiG-17, also received from Israel.

Two MiG-17F Syrian Air Force 12 August 1968 did not return to base after the usual training flight en route. MiG pilots 1, lieutenants Walid Adham and Radfan Rifai, mistakenly landed at the Besett airfield in northern Israel. The MiG-17 was interested in the USA almost more than the MiG-21, since the main losses in the air battles over Vietnam were borne by the American aircraft from the MiG-17. After a brief evaluation test, Israel provided the US with both MiGs.

With the Israeli MiGs, things are not as simple as sometimes served in the literature. It is believed that several serviceable MiG-21 and MiG-17 in flightable condition became the trophies of Israel in the 1967 war. Most likely, it was so. But ... While preparing this article on an English-language Israeli website, a very interesting post was found. The man who undoubtedly was related not only to the Israeli Air Force, but also to its secret services, wrote. According to him, it was easy for Israel to buy from the Arabs at least a squadron of Soviet-made fighter jets. The Israeli Internet leader did not confirm the fact of the purchase, however, he noted: “it was easier for us to present these planes (it was a question of MiGs transferred to the USA) as trophies”.

Since January, the 1969 of the Have Drill program began testing the first MiG-17F from Israel, and in March, the second MiG-17F was used in the Have Ferry program. Aircraft in the US Air Force received onboard numbers "055" (the original on-board number of the Syrian Air Force) and "002" (on-board number printed in Israel). Both aircraft retained the camouflage coloring of the Syrian Air Force, supplemented with identification stripes in Israel of two colors and identification marks of the US Air Force (applied, of course, in the USA). It is interesting that one of these MiGs was exploited in the air forces of four states: the GDR, Syria, Israel and the USA!

MiG-17F, flying the program "Have Drill"


MiG-17F, flying the program "Have Ferry"


Both programs provided for fighter overflights in order to remove their real performance characteristics, assess stability and controllability, and acceleration characteristics. The MiGs carried out comparative air battles with all types of fighters that were in service with the US Air Force and the US Navy, and the B-52 and B-58 bombers were intercepted.

Air battles with MiGs were conducted by specially selected pilots in the airspace in the area of ​​the Groom Lake airbase, famous for the “green men” and flying saucers of the 51 zone (Area 51). Flying over the 51 Zone for the vast majority of American pilots was banned. There was a red spot on the cards, for which the zone was called “Red Square”. The pilots who gave the nickname to the Zone did not even suspect the presence of Groom Lake MiGs. But how coincided!

The combat pilots didn’t conduct training battles with MiGs, but in all squadrons of the Navy and USCM aviation squadrons the “experts” who took part in the HeV Drill program regularly lectured. Moreover, they were “experts” on a rotational basis.

One of the “experts” was Shaler Tegyu. In 1966, the city of Tegyu made several dozen combat missions on the Kruseydere in Vietnam, then he served in the squadron VF-111 (the aircraft carrier Oriskani). For participation in two operations to rescue the pilots of RF-8 scouts shot down with anti-aircraft guns, Tegyu was awarded the Medal of Appreciation and the Silver Star. The second Silver Star Tag received in 1967, during the second "trip" to Vietnam (aircraft carrier "Intrepid") for escorting RF-8 scouts. 2 August 1967. His “Kruseyder” near the Ke Sat Bridge between Hanoi and Haiphong were hit by anti-aircraft guns. The pilot successfully ejected, and the search and rescue helicopter pulled him literally from under the nose of the enemy. In the summer of 1968, Tegyu received a new assignment - in the squadron VX-4, which was engaged in the testing of aircraft and weapons. Tegyu, in general, was already preparing to leave for a completely different squadron of the Navy, but the pilot with the Vietnamese experience was "laid eyes" by the commander of the VX-4 captain Jim Foster personally. Tagyu was not required to test aircraft and missiles. In 1968, the United States received two MiG-17 and two (or was it one?) MiG-21. Views of the Soviet fighters had both the Air Force and the Navy. Foster was eager to get all four planes at his disposal: “The MiGs should have been tested by the Air Force ... but Tuter (nickname Tegyu) and his colleagues could prepare a quality flight test plan. Who shouldn't they have implemented this plan? Already at the first meeting, we presented a test plan, while the Air Force just started working on it: Air Force, hello! ”

Report on the program "Have Drill / Have Ferry" and photo from the report


The tag arrived at Point Mugu, where the VX-4 was stationed, unaware of the MiG flight test program already developed at the Miramar airbase. Komesk regarding the work ahead was brief: “On 200 days into the desert”. Foster, Tegyu and the chief test pilot of the VX-4 squadron Ronald McKeon went to the desert. He met MiGs only in Groom Lake. The tag flew both on the MiG-17 and on the MiG-21, but always preferred the 17. In his report on the “Have Drill” program, Tagyu said: “The MiG-17 has a significant advantage over modern fighters in low-speed melee battles, commonly known as Knife Fight; MiG's cannon armament is much more effective in close combat.
- MiG-17 is capable of destroying any tactical aircraft of the US Navy in aerial combat at turns, conducted at speeds of 880 km / h and below.
- The aircraft is simple and reliable, it does not collapse when the control handle is thrown, maintenance requires a minimum amount of special equipment.
- The weapon did not refuse once. Due to the palletized installation of guns, the replenishment of ammunition takes only 20 minutes.

In the spring of 1970, the city of Tegyu was assigned to the position of deputy commander of a squadron of VF-51. In May of the same year, the squadron on the aircraft carrier "Bon Homme Richard" departed to the shores of Vietnam.

T. Barnis worked with the MiGs on the ground: “I took part in the ultra-secret programs“ Hev Drill ”and“ Hev Ferry ”. Earlier, I served at the NASA monitoring station Betty as an electronics engineer. At Betty, we worked with planes like the X-15 and the XB-70. People from the CIA selected me to participate in the “black programs” in the 51 Zone. I did not provide any information about the upcoming work, but I agreed. At that time, the 51 Zone was covered with a very dense veil of secrecy.

Soon there were rumors about the capture of several Soviet-designed fighters during the 6-day war by Israel. Allegedly, these aircraft were taken to Groom Lake.

In Groom Lake, I was included in a small group of specialists involved in the CIA A-12 Okskert program (A-12 — the predecessor of SR-71). We tracked all the MiG flights, measured the reflection of radar signals from Soviet aircraft, studied and tested their engines on the ground. ”

The “Have Drill” program involved MiG-17 (Lim-5) with the serial number 1С-07-18, built in Poland in 1956 or 1957. The fighter was delivered to Groom Lake 27 in January 1969. 51 aircraft performed 17 February. In total, the program performed 172 flight with a flight of 131 h. The tests took 55 days. Tested according to the program “Have Ferry” MiG-17 was taken to the 51 Zone 12 in March 1969, the first flight took place on April 9. Over the 20 days on this MiG, the 52 flight was performed with an 37,7 touch-up. The Heav Ferry aircraft, unlike Lim-5, did not have a radio range finder and a rear-view periscope; it was an earlier built aircraft. Before the evaluation tests on the MiGs, the clock, the speed indicator, the altimeter and the overload indicator were replaced, an additional meter, a tape recorder and a movie camera were installed to record the readings of the instruments in flight. Instead of slug boxes, an 14-channel oscilloscope was installed, recording fuel consumption, engine speed, speed, height, position of control surfaces, angles of heel, heading and pitch, angular velocity of heel. A total of 17 flights were made on both the MiG-224, 23 was recorded as failure, two flights due to malfunctions had to be canceled. Fighter fully tested on a corkscrew. The plane was reluctant to drop into the left corkscrew, the loss of height for 23 from the corkscrew was 3000 feet (914 m).

Engineers as a lack of MiG noted the absence of power boosters in the control channels for roll and course. The pilots, after flying the MiG, the opinion turned out to be different: “Hydraulics? What for?!!!"

Comparative air battles with US Air Force fighters were conducted "one on one" and "a couple for a couple." A total of 57 battles were held: 29 with the F-4C / D Phantom II, 11 with the F-105D / F Thunderchip, six with the F-100D Super Saber, and two with the F-5A. Five flights were performed on the firing of onboard guns at air and ground targets.

The disadvantages of weapons MiG-17 attributed the low rate of guns and low initial velocity of the projectile. According to the pilots, it was very hard physically to control the fighter at speeds above M = 0,85 - the control knob had to be pulled with both hands (the boosters would not hurt). The effectiveness of radar and missiles "Phantom" is sharply reduced if the battle with the MiG-17 is at a height of less than 10 000 feet (3000 m). In horizontal maneuvering with high angles of attack and speeds of the order of 500 km / h, the MiG-17 has absolute superiority over the F-4, F-105, F-100 and F-5, but on the verticals all American fighters are superior to the MiG, especially if the speed exceeds 830 km / h. MiG-17 is extremely difficult to detect visually. All the pilots who took part in the comparative battles with the MiG-17 in the 51 Zone at first were very wrong with the estimate of the distance to the MiG. In comparison with the engines of the Phantom, the MiG-17 engine was not smoked at all. In fact, the only means for the crews of the Phantoms and Thunderchiefs to detect the MiG-17 in time was the APR-25 / 26 radiation warning receiver, but it issued a warning only if the radio range finder installed on the MiG-17 was working.

In a one-on-one air battle, the Phantom crew performed only one attack, since it was unable to carry out the second because of the loss of visual contact with the target. The F-105, F-5 and F-100 pilots experienced difficulties in occupying an effective spatial position. Air battles with the MiG-17 were recommended to be conducted at elevated speeds with maneuvering in a vertical plane. Out of the battle to produce a gentle dive.

The US Navy conducted air battles with the MiG-17 47: 18 with the participation of the F-4B / J Phantom II, 16 with the F-8H / J Crusader, four with the Skyhawk A-4F, four with the A-6А Intruder "and four with A-XNUMHA" Corsair "II. According to the results of the battles, the fleet came to the conclusion that the MiG-7 had an absolute advantage over any of the above-listed aircraft in the battle on turns. Camouflage coloring and small size in combination with a low-smoke engine did not allow to maintain constant visual contact with the MiG. The crew of the Phantom noticed the MiG-17 visually was extremely difficult, and the Phantom radar was often not able to detect the MiG at all. In turn, the pilot MiG-17 easily detected and recognized the "Phantom" visually on smoking engines. The withdrawal of the “two F-17 to two MiG-4” fights in general turned out to be highly paradoxical: due to higher flight data, the two F-17 retain the 4% advantage in offensive combat against two MiG-100, but the attacking aircraft do not have weaponscapable of shooting down the MiG-17! The main disadvantages of the MiG-17, in the opinion of the pilots of the Navy, are the restriction on overloading and a small supply of fuel. The US Air Defense Command conducted fighters on the F-17A Delta Dart, five on the F-13A Delta Dagger and five on the F-106A Starfighter with MiG-102 104. The results of the “Air Defense Force” received similar Air Force and Navy - to avoid bends, attack at speed, go to the vertical. In addition, recommendations were given to change the glazing of the flashlight and install the gun on the F-106, reduce the time of starting the UR on the F-102, and refrain from using the pair's combat order for the F-102 in favor of the link.




The Americans rated the MiG as an “extremely” reliable aircraft capable of carrying out four to five combat missions daily. For battles near the ground at relatively low speeds, the aircraft is ideal, it has excellent maneuverability and represents the most serious threat to a modern fighter equipped with sophisticated weapon and missile control systems. All American pilots who took part in the battles with the MiG-17, initially very much underestimated the enemy. Each of the Navy pilots lost their first battle with the MiG. In the US, there was no aircraft similar in performance to the MiG-17.

The tests of the MiG-17F, to a greater extent than the tests of the MiG-21, changed the approach of the Americans to the design of promising fighters and the training of pilots. The main conclusion is that all American fighters should be armed with guns. When designing, it was necessary to pay increased attention to reducing the labor intensity of the aircraft in operation, to simplify the onboard systems, especially electronic ones. Pilots in the mandatory order should be trained to conduct maneuverable air battles with small-sized aircraft with a low specific load on the wing.

The MiG-17 (onboard number “55”) involved in the “Have Drill” program was returned to Israel in 1969. MiG-17 MiG-17 “Hev Drill” is in the Israel Air Force Museum next to the MiG-21 “Hev Dugnat”. MiG-17 "Have Ferry" after completing the tests left in the US, but later the plane crashed in a crash.

Another MiG-17 Americans have experienced the program "Have Privilege". In November, the American military delegation visited 1970, Cambodia. The delegation included representatives of the Air Force intelligence from the Wright-Patterson airbase, which paid close attention to the Cambodian Air Force MiG-17. Colonels Wendel Shauler and William Gilbert (both took part in the programs “Hev Drill” and “Hev Ferry”) performed five flights at the Fu Kat airbase in South Vietnam, where the MiG-17F (actually J-5A of Chinese construction) was overtaken by an air force pilot Cambodia. Upon completion of the evaluation tests, the J-5A “departed” at Phnom Penh. This aircraft was destroyed by Vietnamese guerrillas in January at 1971 at Pochentong airbase.







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  1. +8
    20 February 2013 09: 21
    MiG pilots 1st lieutenants Valid Adham and Radfan Rifai mistakenly landed at the Bezer airport

    maps of 45 years, navigation errors - tales of Scheherazade, sold like MG-21 on other conditions
    1. +1
      20 February 2013 10: 02
      maps of 45 years, navigation errors - tales of Scheherazade, sold like MG-21 on other conditions

      Yeah, they sold it, sat in prison for 2 years and returned to Syria "for medals", and not to France or the USA ...



      On 12 of August 1968, two miracles of the Israeli Air Force were raised to intercept a pair of Syrian MiG-17. Two pilots, Lieutenant Walid Adham and Lieutenant Radfan Rifai, made a training flight and made serious mistakes in navigation. They used 1945 cards of the year of manufacture and made a mistake in the direction of flight. A pair of MiGs landed at the Betzat Israeli airfield in western Galilee, and even after landing, the pilots were convinced that they had landed in Lebanese territory. Only when their planes rolled out of the short runway and the locals began to gather around them, only then did the two Syrian pilots realize what mistake they made. They were held in prison for almost two years and exchanged for Israeli prisoners of war.

      To raise both planes to the sky as quickly as possible, a special group of technicians was created in the Air Force. Dani Shapiro - test pilot and Ehud Hankin - Mirage pilot were the first to fly Syrian MiGs into the air.

      "The MiG-17 turned out to be an aircraft with amazing maneuverability," recalls Dani Shapiro, "It was much more maneuverable than any aircraft in service with us, including the Mirage. But all this was true only up to a speed of 350 knots. Above this speed was more difficult to fly this aircraft, and above 600 knots the situation was even worse. "

      “I advised our pilots to engage in aerial combat against the MiG-17 only when their speed (Israeli aircraft) exceeded 400 knots. At these speeds, the MiG was not a threat to them, but below 400 knots, they had to break away from the MiGs, otherwise MiGs could make a sharp maneuver and go to their tail. "

      Both MiGs were transferred to the United States in the late sixties. One of them returned to Israel and is presented at the Air Force Museum.
      1. +1
        20 February 2013 10: 11
        Quote: professor
        sat in prison for 2 years and returned to Syria "for medals"


        What to Syria? If there is also a prison?
        1. +1
          20 February 2013 10: 24
          What to Syria? If there is also a prison?

          But because they did not hijack these planes (unlike the MiG-21 and MiG-23), but got lost, were captured and exchanged in accordance with the Geneva Convention. The hijackers have never been returned.
          1. +2
            20 February 2013 10: 33
            Quote: professor
            But because they did not hijack these planes


            Maybe not them, well-planned operation on both sides and two suckers
            1. +1
              20 February 2013 10: 42
              Too abstruse (where did these two suckers come from? laughing ), and why do you land planes on an airfield with a VERY short strip when a normal airfield is 30 km away (where the MiG-23 was hijacked by the way)?
              1. +2
                20 February 2013 11: 08
                Quote: professor
                where did these two suckers come from

                Not these so different.

                Quote: professor
                and why land planes at an airfield with a VERY short strip when a normal airfield is 30 km away

                But this is an argument, although for completeness, as an option, but all the same venality of the Arabs is not even a legend, it is a harsh past, hence doubts
  2. demon ada
    +2
    20 February 2013 09: 46
    It’s sad that the MIGs got so easily to the USA
    this allowed them to gain knowledge not in battle
    and less blood
  3. +7
    20 February 2013 09: 52
    The article is a plus, but to be honest it’s a shame to read how those countries we helped sell and stole our equipment to the West.
    1. +8
      20 February 2013 10: 13
      Quote: albert
      how those countries that we helped so sold and stole our equipment to the West.


      Business.

      A donkey loaded with gold will take any fortress. King of Macedonia Philip
  4. +1
    20 February 2013 10: 15
    eeehhh! hotoshi our planes
  5. 755962
    0
    20 February 2013 11: 48
    tactics “hit - run”


    Rat tactics .. Stole-legs ... Other tactics for the Yankees, it seems, never will be! Forever and ever .. Amen.
  6. +1
    20 February 2013 12: 01
    How could the Galaxy C5A deliver the MiG to the USA in February 1968, when it made its maiden flight on June 30 this year! request lol
  7. +4
    20 February 2013 12: 47
    honestly, it’s a shame to read how those countries that we helped so sold and stole our equipment to the West.

    Definitely a shame. By there is such a profession to sell their homeland. Judas Syndrome. There will always be a man who is ready to improve his well-being at the expense of others. And now there are few of them ...? But how nice it is to read the analysis of fights, for example the MiG-21 with. for example, B-66 or A-7 - no chance! Beauties!
  8. smprofi
    +2
    20 February 2013 20: 09
    good article. There are some nuances, but nothing to complain about. because different sources (the same American) give information in different ways.
    For testing MiGs, the 4477th Tactical Evaluation Flight (“Red Eagles”) squadron was formed, based on the Nellis AFB



    it was later converted to the 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron (TES)



    In comment to the first part, I already wrote that the 51th Test Squadron (“Red Hats”) was based on the Groom Lake or Area 6513 test base (as you like). although some sources indicate that this squadron was assigned to Edwards AFB.



    strictly speaking, all the indicated places (Edwards AFB and Nellis AFB air bases, research base, mainly Lockheed, Groom Lake or Area 51, Nevada Test Site, Tonopah Test Range and Nellis Range test sites) are very close



    therefore, wherever an aircraft is "assigned", its tests can be carried out at almost any test site.

    and there was also information that the pilots of the Red Hats squadron (6513th Test Squadron) formed the basis of the 4450th tactical air group (4450th TG - Tactical Group) - the first unit to use the Lockheed Martin F-117A Nighthawk

    1. smprofi
      +2
      21 February 2013 01: 17
      oh, the video was in the topic of the article (well, almost)

  9. 0
    21 February 2013 17: 03
    I look forward to continuing ... :)
  10. +1
    21 February 2013 17: 53
    Add:
    Dog dump at the F-4 & Mig-21 air show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGVxvxeRp0


    F8 Crusader VS a MIG17:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voyYUFCCmis



    In all of the fights given above, the attack is launched by an American fighter from the rear hemisphere from the sun. For those who know this is an indicator. :)
    The tendency is generally .. Calculation on the psychology of the layman ... If the pilot on the Miga means a coward and will only run away, and on an American fighter, he will shoot at a moving target as if in a dash and sooner or later will fall, because nothing will be answered :)

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