The roads of the gods. Why Russians Crossed Out From Ancient History

The roads of the gods. Why Russians Crossed Out From Ancient History

"Rod" is a Slavic god, the creator of the world and the father of the first generation of bright gods. I. Ozhiganov


Secrets of ancient Rus. In his monograph “The Roads of the Gods,” the historian Yu. D. Petukhov sets forth a fundamental discovery that is hushed up in the West and around the world. It lies in the fact that the ethnocultural linguistic core of the Praetnos of the Indo-Europeans (Aryans) consisted of the direct direct ancestors of the Slavs-Russians. This discovery is argued on the richest archaeological, ethnographic material, on linguistic analysis and analysis of primary mythological images of the peoples of the Indo-European language family.

Riddle of history


Indo-European Aryans, ancient Aryans. Who are they? Where did you come from? Where is their ancestral home? What gods were worshiped? This mystery of millennia was considered insoluble. Over two centuries, about twenty major hypotheses were created about the origin of the Indo-Europeans and their stories. Some of them have become almost immutable dogmas and go from textbook to textbook, from an encyclopedia to an encyclopedia.

As a result, in the West (Roman-Germanic and Biblical historical schools) a classical historical scheme was created, familiar to us from the school bench: primitive (Ancient Egypt and the Ancient East, Ancient Greece and Rome - barbarians); mainly Germans and Gauls - the European Middle Ages, etc. A little attention is paid to Ancient India and China. Each naro-element has its own place: in Egypt - the Egyptians, Palestine - the Jews, in Greece - the Greeks, in Rome - the Romans, etc. In Europe, on the outskirts the "wild" Slavs hardly loom, and even then mostly southern, which supposedly appeared in the Balkans only by the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. Only at the end of the VIII, and even in the IX – X centuries. a figure of a “brutal” Eastern Slav emerges from swamps and forests, and it immediately occupies vast territories. At the same time, the Eastern Slavs, Rusichs, before the arrival of German-Scandinavian civilizers and Greek missionaries, according to this theory, were in complete savagery. They picked mushrooms, berries, wild honey and beat the fish with pointed twigs. Here is a similar picture of the past gets a young man in schools in Europe and Russia.

At the same time, the fact that the "young" Russian people created writing before the adoption of Christianity is omitted. That the Russians have the oldest literature in Europe, which is inferior in antiquity only to the literature of the ancient period. True, there is a well-founded opinion that "antique" literature was created in the Middle Ages. Accordingly, Russian literature in antiquity is not inferior to the so-called. antique. That Russian mythology has its roots in the most hoary antiquity, by the time of the appearance of man himself. And its root foundations are older than the famous Scandinavian-Germanic, Celtic, Roman and Ancient Greek mythologies. That “Slavs Russ appeared from nowhere” at the same time, literally in one or two centuries (which is impossible in principle) created in one territory a “country of cities” - Gardarik, with a rich material culture, developed crafts and trade. And all these are indisputable facts. However, the Western scheme of history lives and thrives.

Indo-Europeans as a single linguistic and ethnic community existed from 15-12 thousand BC. e. up to 5-4 thousand BC e. In 3 thousand BC e. there is a divergence of Indo-European dialect groups, filial ethnic groups stand out from a single trunk. First, the Italian, Hetto-Luvian, Tochar, Armenian, Celtic, Greek, Indo-Iranian, Germanic branches stood out. Later, the Balts and the Slavs separated from a single trunk. Moreover, as Yu. D. Petukhov proves, the Slavs-Russians were the trunk of a huge superethnos, and they retained in their language, anthropology and mythology all the leading signs of the Aryan Indo-Europeans.

Initially, the ancestral home of the Indo-Europeans was sought in the East and in Central Asia, for example, in Tibet. Researchers were attracted to places close to Iran and India. It has been suggested that the Aryan ancestral homeland was located in the Caspian region or in ancient Bactria. Searched in Europe: from Spain and Iceland to Scandinavia. There was a time when self-confident German scientists declared the Germans direct descendants of the Aryans and believed that waves of Aryan-Germans spread around the world in waves from Central Europe. Allegedly it was the Pragermans who brought the culture to the wild Slavs.

A very important point is that all Indo-European peoples (modern Russians, Lithuanians, Germans, Swedes, French, Italians, Scots, White Indians, etc.) have common roots in languages, traditions, rites, legends, legends, traditions, a kinship of mythologies. Its foundation is in pramyphology, the unified faith of the Aryans-Indo-Europeans. A common spiritual culture was born during the existence of the pranarod, a single ethnocultural community. And these roots, to a greater or lesser degree, have been preserved among peoples that have scattered all over the world and have gone thousands of kilometers from their ancestral home. In particular, ancient Indian mythology can be called a real reserve of Russian spiritual culture, which existed 4-5 thousand years ago.

Russ are arias


The hypothesis that since the first records of the Slavs appeared in the middle of 1 thousand n. e., and, therefore, at that time the Slavs arose, can be immediately discarded. It was invented by Western racists. Even in those days when they tried to prove the "birthright" of the pragermans. When studying the Indo-Europeans, you can find that there is some kind of permanent ethnic language core. In the late period, these are the Balto-Slavs, before them - the Celtic-Slavs, Scythian-Slavs. As they move to the periphery, filial ethnic groups are distinguished, to the west and northwest - the Celts and Germans, to the north - the Baltics. The Baltic-Slavic cultural-linguistic community existed relatively recently (in historical terms). As early as the XNUMXth century, the Baltic tribes worshiped Perun and Veles-Volos, while most of the Rus had already adopted Christianity.

Previously, there was a German-Baltic-Slavic community. The core in this community is the Rus (Pre-Slavs). The Germans stand out from a single community only when they begin to develop Western lands and are influenced by Rome. Going down the timeline even lower. We discover the ancient "Greeks" who came to the Peloponnese from the north and brought the Mediterranean Slavic gods and elements of a single spiritual and material culture. Greeks Greeks strife. The ancient gods and the hero of Ancient Greece have practically nothing to do with the present Greeks. These are aliens from the North, with white skin, blond eyes and hair, tall. For example, Apollo is a barbarian and hyperborea from the north, Copolo - Coop is the solar hypostasis of the Almighty Rod among the Indo-European Rus (among the later Russians Kupala). Patron of warriors and storytellers. Transformed by the "ancient Greeks" into Apollo. Artemis-Artemis (among the Romans - Diana) is Roda, the youngest Rozhanitsa, daughter and at the same time hypostasis of Lada. One of the oldest mythological images of the Rus, dating back to the Paleolithic and matriarchy. The “Greek” Hara-Hera is Yara, the goddess of the Rus, the sister and wife of Zeus-Alive, the hypostasis of Mother Lada.

Proto-Greek tribes for two millennia moved to the Mediterranean. These are natives of the “Greek-German-Baltic-Slavic community. Moreover, the permanent part of this community is the Slavs-Russes. They preserve the original anthropological appearance, language and mythology of the superethnos from ancient times to the present day. The pro-Slavic archaic carried away by the Aryans to the South will be preserved best of all among the Indo-Aryans. That is, even earlier there was an Indo-Aryan-Proto-Slavic community.

Thus, “Slavism” begins with the most ancient Indo-Europeans and, to a large extent, is precisely them. The Russ-Protoslavs, the ethnic core of the Indo-Europeans, first “gave birth to themselves” Indo-Aryans and ancestors of the Anatolian peoples (Hittites, Lycians, etc.). Then began a prolonged selection from the main core of the protogreek element that populated the Mediterranean. Likewise, with a delay, an isolation of the Italian element occurred, which served as the basis for the Romanesque group. This is the key to the Etruscan Rasenians, who until the very end retained the main signs of the Rus and served as the foundation for "Ancient Rome." Later, the ancestors of the Germans and Celts separated from the common core. The Balts did not go far from the core, therefore, they kept the old Russian archaic (with common gods and language) the best and the longest.

The historian Yu. D. Petukhov unraveled the mystery of the millennium; materials of mythoanalysis, linguistics, toponymy, onomastics, anthropology and archeology unambiguously show that the original Slavic Indo-Europeans were Aryans. It was they who, in confusion with the archatropes of Eurasia (pre-ethnic groups), generated all the existing and extinct peoples of the Indo-European language family and preserved themselves in direct descendants - Russian-Russians. Indo-Europeans and Great Indo-Europeans were those who are called Slavs. Although this is a late and not the only ethnonym "pranaroda". Other names are Aryan-Yari, Rasen, Venetian-Venetian, Russ, Scythian-chipped, etc. The ancestral home of Indo-European Rus, both primary and secondary, were located in their habitats in the Middle East, Asia Minor, Balkans, in the Mediterranean, Northern Black Sea Region, on the Volga, Don and Southern Urals.

Recommended literature for study: Petukhov Yu. D. Arias. The roads of the gods. M. 2003; Petukhov Yu. D. Antiquities of the Rus. M., 2007; Petukhov Yu. D. History of the Rus. The most ancient era. 40-3 thousand BC e. T. 1-2. M., 2007; Yu. D. Petukhov. Normans. Rus of the North. M, 2005; Yuri Petukhov. Rus of the Ancient East. M., 2007. Petukhov Yu. D. Super-evolution. Superethnos of the Rus. M., 2008; Vasilyeva N.I., Petukhov. Yu. D. Russian Scythia. M., 2006.

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  1. Dmitry Potapov 4 March 2020 05: 04 New
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    It is a pity that such material is not taught in schools. I read one of Petukhov’s books, the author sets out well.
    1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 05: 27 New
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      yeah, only Petukhov is the same historian as Bushkov or Chudinov. An ordinary schizophrenic who publishes himself, since the publishers simply twisted their fingers at the temple, reading his opuses. Teach folk histories of crazy graphomaniacs at school? Are you serious ?
      1. Dmitry Potapov 4 March 2020 06: 02 New
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        Darwin also put forward the theory of the origin of man, and everyone followed it as an absolute truth. As for Petukhov and the rest, before criticizing them, break their arguments about the existence of writing among the ancient Slavs at least. And yet, why when the question arises about the origin of Russian civilization or its antiquity, a wave of refutations immediately arises? It turns out that any people on the planet had their own civilization, and the Russians were simply born in swamps and forests and immediately went out into the world.
        1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 07: 21 New
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          Could you elaborate on the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?
          1. neri73-r 4 March 2020 09: 02 New
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            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            Could you elaborate on the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?

            You will go to the Vatican library, or rather to the storerooms. Although there is hardly written in Hebrew.
            1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 09: 50 New
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              If it was found on the territory of Russia, then how did it get into the Vatican's vaults?
              PySy: In the Vatican's vaults (as in the Russian archives) there is a lot of Hebrew literature.
              1. neri73-r 4 March 2020 09: 53 New
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                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                If it was found on the territory of Russia, then how did it get into the Vatican's vaults?
                PySy: In the Vatican's vaults (as in the Russian archives) there is a lot of Hebrew literature.

                On the first question, do not include foolishness, historians like Biron and a company commissioned by the Vatican skillfully rewrote history and destroyed / seized originals. On the second question - there are a lot of them in different languages ​​of the whole world. In 1945, ours were overlooked, apparently, there were no opportunities to occupy the Vatican first and rummage there.
                1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 11: 14 New
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                  On the first question - Biron and the company were in the second half of the 18th century. Moreover, they were Protestants and did not cooperate with the Vatican. Really for 300 years not found a single written source, manuscript, inscription in ancient Russian?
                  On the second question - the Vatican city is located in the center of the city of Rome. Rome was liberated by the Allies in 1943.
                  1. neri73-r 4 March 2020 11: 46 New
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                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    Moreover, they were Protestants and did not cooperate with the Vatican.

                    One company, especially when it comes to external enemies!
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    Really for 300 years not found a single written source, manuscript, inscription in ancient Russian?

                    They cleaned it well, maybe it’s buried somewhere, only if they accidentally find it. But all the same, the “official” science will either not notice or say that it is fake.
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    Rome was liberated by the Allies in 1943.

                    So it was necessary to set a condition for the Allies, we are giving you sectors in Berlin, you are the Vatican in Rome.
                    1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 12: 10 New
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                      A. Accusing the 18th century Protestants of collaborating with the Vatican is like blaming the Uniates or Old Believers for their love for the Moscow Patriarchate.
                      B. 300 years. Cubic kilometers of land excavated, tons of artifacts. And nothing.
                      S. Vatican did not fight in World War II.
                      1. neri73-r 4 March 2020 12: 21 New
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                        The civilian population of Dresden also did not fight, and there were no military objects, but still the Western allies were burned.
                      2. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 12: 27 New
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                        The Vatican City is not Germany. By the way, the civilian population of Koenigsberg, which was bombed by both the British and Soviet pilots, was beaten by Soviet artillerymen from all barrels for several days, and then the Soviet security officers deported the survivors, didn’t touch anyone? And what were the military facilities in Königsberg? The Kriegsmarine base was in Pillau, there were no military factories in the city, even a large railway junction, and there was no city, unlike Dresden.
                      3. neri73-r 4 March 2020 12: 42 New
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                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        And what were the military facilities in Königsberg?

                        Well, so brazenly do not dissemble about the walled city.
                        The German command took all possible measures to prepare the fortified city of Königsberg for long-term resistance under siege conditions. The city had numerous military arsenals and depots. The defense system included an external defensive contour, which had already been overcome by Soviet troops, and three internal contours. In the center of the city was a citadel.

                        In Königsberg, three defense rings were created. The first - 6-8 kilometers from the city center - consisted of trenches, an anti-tank ditch, wire fences and minefields. On this ring were 15 forts (built by 1882) with garrisons of 150-200 people, with 12-15 guns. The second defense ring passed along the outskirts of the city and consisted of stone buildings, barricades, firing points at intersections and minefields. The third ring, in the center of the city, consisted of 9 bastions, towers and ravelins (built in the 1843th century and rebuilt in 1873).

                        In order to encircle and destroy the enemy group, Soviet troops had to strike at Koenigsberg in convergent directions simultaneously from the north and from the south. It also planned a chilling blow to Pillau against the enemy’s Zemland grouping. Before the operation, a long artillery preparation was carried out - from April 2 to 5, 1945.
                      4. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 13: 26 New
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                        Well, there was a civilian population ...
                      5. neri73-r 4 March 2020 14: 05 New
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                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Well, there was a civilian population ...

                        Yes, it was, quite a bit, but in Dresden there was only a civilian population, just as in many other German cities, the Anglo-Saxons were barbarously wiped off the face of the earth without any military purpose!
                      6. tlauicol 4 March 2020 14: 20 New
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                        You did not answer: so how did ALL ancient Slavic written sources get into the Vatican and how is Petukhov aware of this? (I'm not talking about the content of manuscripts). Also read in the sun and stumps?
                      7. Revival 5 March 2020 14: 59 New
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                        The British, having crumpled at first, then began to declare directly that they would conduct targeted bombing of cities to break the spirit of the German people, which they did.
                        The concept of a “fire storm” was noticed there, studied, and it was purposefully sought to achieve it during subsequent bombardments.
                        Just winners are not judged ..
                    2. astronom1973n 5 March 2020 05: 54 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      Well, there was a civilian population ...

                      Was there a civilian population in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Only Americans don’t blame it, even the Japanese accuse them of the total mass. You don’t need to blame and discuss Russia (the USSR) on a general wave of hatred, especially if you are a citizen of the Russian Federation .
                    3. Zeev Zeev 5 March 2020 08: 53 New
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                      I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation and have never been to Russia. And I do not blame the USSR for the bombing of Koenigsberg, Kharkov or Novgorod, as I do not blame the United States and Great Britain for the "inhuman bombing" of Hiroshima, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hamburg, etc.
                    4. Slavs 6 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation and have never been to Russia

                      In Israel, they perfectly teach the Russian language))) You correctly write and write without errors ... Where did you study? )))
                    5. Zeev Zeev 6 March 2020 21: 35 New
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                      In a secondary school of one of the cities of the Republic of Belarus.
              2. skullcap 23 May 2020 18: 31 New
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                Zeev Zeev (Zeev Zeev) March 4, 2020 13:26
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                Well, there was a civilian population ...

                Civilians were in Sabra and Chatilla, but were massacred by Israeli soldiers. This has been discussed all over the world, and now on Wikipedia this crime is being passed on to Christians.
        2. cniza 5 March 2020 18: 02 New
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          I will give you all the material that, in my opinion, is more believable, read:
          So, American scientists found that one such mutation occurred 4500 years ago on the Central Russian Plain. A boy was born with a slightly different haplogroup than that of his father, to which they assigned the genetic classification R1a1. Paternal R1a mutated, and a new R1a1 arose.

          The mutation has been very viable. The genus R1a1, which was started by this very boy, survived, unlike the millions of other genera that disappeared when their genealogical lines were cut short and bred in vast space. Currently, owners of the haplogroup R1a1 make up 70% of the total male population of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and up to 80% in ancient Russian cities and villages. R1a1 is a biological marker of the Russian ethnic group. This set of nucleotides is the “Russianness” in terms of genetics.

          Thus, the Russian people in a genetically modern form were born in the European part of present-day Russia about 4500 years ago. The boy with the mutation R1a1 became the direct ancestor of all the men living on earth now, in whose DNA this haplogroup is present. All of them are his biological or, as they said earlier, blood descendants and, among themselves, blood relatives, who together constitute a single nation - Russian.

          Realizing this, American geneticists, with an enthusiasm inherent in all emigrants in matters of origin, began to wander around the world, take analyzes from people and look for biological "roots", their own and others. What they did is of great interest to us, because it sheds true light on the historical paths of our Russian people and destroys many established myths.

          Now men of the Russian genus R1a1 make up 16% of the total male population of India, and almost half of them in the upper castes are 47%

          Our ancestors migrated from the ethnic center not only to the east (to the Urals) and to the south (to India and Iran), but also to the west - to where European countries are now located. Genetics have complete statistics in the western direction: in Poland, the owners of the Russian (Aryan) haplogroup R1a1 make up 57% of the male population, in Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - 40%, in Germany, Norway and Sweden - 18%, in Bulgaria - 12 %, and in England - the least (3%).


          Here is the link to the full text
          https://vsluh.net/6969-o-proishozhdenii-russkih-zasekrechennaya-tayna.html
      2. dmmyak40 5 March 2020 08: 27 New
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        For once I completely agree with your comments. Do not waste time on the apologists of the sect “History has been tampered with since ancient times. All documents have been replaced by“ correct ones. ”You can’t prove anything to them: logic does not enter into their cognitive paradigm.
      3. l7yzo 5 March 2020 20: 08 New
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        Well, each government comes and rewrites history for themselves, or as they say - the winners write history) What is the census of the history of World War 2, the history of 90 years has already been rewritten.
        And China, for example, crosses out Mao - "But it seems that Mao didn’t exist ... History is being rewritten in China." "The entire period of socialism is squeezed into one short chapter of a textbook for high schools. The history of the communist regime in China before the reforms in 1979 is marked with one phrase. Mao Zedong is mentioned only once - and also in the section 'Etiquette'."
  • Arlen 4 March 2020 22: 47 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Really for 300 years not found a single written source, manuscript, inscription in ancient Russian?

    The question is a little wrong. If we take as a basis that the Russian people was formed in the 10th century, then there are many written languages ​​in Old Russian. The oldest East Slavic text is considered to be the nesting inscription on an earthenware jug and dating from the middle of the 10th century.
    If you rebuild your question: "Really for 300 years they did not find a single written source, manuscript, inscription in ancient Slavic?" Then it is difficult to answer it unequivocally.
    In 911, Oleg concluded a contract with Byzantium in writing, that is, it can be assumed that the East Slavs had written language before the adoption of Christianity. There is also evidence (again not Slavic records, but foreign ones) that the idols of the Slavic Gods were inscribed with the names of the Gods. The fact that the Slavs had written language in the pre-Christian era was defended by such prominent scientific historians as: an honorary member of the Petersburg Academy of Sciences Zabelin Ivan Egorovich, a full member of the USSR Academy of Sciences Hero of Socialist Labor Boris Aleksandrovich Rybakov, doctor of historical sciences, professor Mikhail Yulianovich Braichevsky.
    However, so far this theory has not found documentary evidence of the existence of pre-Christian writing among the Slavs. Perhaps someday artifacts written in the language of the Slavs in the pre-Christian era will be found, but ...
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 5 March 2020 08: 08 New
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      And how do you think, why there is no documentary evidence of the existence of pre-Christian writing among the Slavs, if logic and indirect signs say that it was ?.
      1. Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2020 11: 24 New
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        And how do you think, why there is no documentary evidence of the existence of pre-Christian writing among the Slavs, if logic and indirect signs say that it was ?.

        Because she DESTROYED! Purposefully nullified by Christians!
    2. would 5 March 2020 11: 21 New
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      In 911, Oleg concluded a contract with Byzantium in writing, that is, it can be assumed that the East Slavs had written language before the adoption of Christianity.



      It is not clear what such a conclusion is drawn from. Oleg concluded an agreement in the language of Byzantium - Greek. I personally have not seen evidence that there was a copy of the contract in any other language, but I will be grateful if they show it.

      As this suggests, the Eastern Slavs had own writing is incomprehensible. For example, the Bulgarians already had a Glagolitic alphabet, but again it was created by the Greek during the Christianization of Bulgaria.
      1. l7yzo 5 March 2020 20: 14 New
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        And about the Greeks. Do you know the legend of the appearance of the name Greek ??
        In fact, it refers precisely to the Byzantines - "According to the Russian people themselves, these" Byzantine "missionaries brought a lot of sin to Russia. So much sin never fell before Russia. Therefore, the Russian people called these Byzantine aliens" sins. " over time, the name "sins" turned into "Greeks", and this was fixed forever. Later, Turks captured East Rome, and the remnants of the fallen empire on the Peloponessian Peninsula began to be called, as befits the homeland of "Greek sins," Greece. "

        And another legend - "The Greeks called the Greeks the Greeks in the VIII century BC. This happened thanks to the colonists from Hellas, who founded the city of Kuma in Italy. The homeland of the colonists was the area of ​​Gray, in the center of modern Greece. Without thinking twice, the Romans called the Greeks all the inhabitants Hellas. "

        And the Greeks are not Greeks at all, but the Hellenes. And they lived in Hellas.
    3. nickname7 5 March 2020 18: 41 New
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      In general, writing independently appeared, no more than 3 times, in the history of mankind. This is a rare occurrence. The Greeks themselves did not invent, but adopted the written language. Writing arose as a method of accounting for grain in large policies of agricultural civilizations. The Slavs did not yet have policies for hundreds of thousands of people, there were no officials, so there was no written language either.
      1. Fat
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        Quote: nickname7
        The Slavs did not yet have policies for hundreds of thousands of people, there were no officials, so there was no written language either.

        But trade was and were trade records. They are sometimes called "traits and cuts"
        Unencrypted birch bark records found. So few that no one takes them seriously.
        Well, there was Vlesov’s book - a dubious “artifact” that was “found” by Sulakadzev .... Neopagans often appeal to her.
        However, the original lost something impossible to verify.
        Perhaps there was a runic letter.
        But here, there are extremely few finds.
  • Liam 4 March 2020 23: 07 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Rome was liberated by the Allies in 1943.

    On the 44th of June 5
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 5 March 2020 11: 33 New
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      Ours, that is, the Soviet Army, were to enter Rome (including the Vatican) in August 1968 during the events in Czechoslovakia. My dad, then a military man, from mid-August 1968 was already in a barracks position and their group from Hungary (and we lived then in the town of Szekesfehervar) had plans to advance through Austria and Yugoslavia, and by the end of the sixth day go to the shore of the Strait of Messina without crossing to the island of Sicily. Rome, according to my dad, we had to go on the evening of the fourth day. They said they didn’t touch the island of Sicily, the mafia is strong there and the CPSU does not want to spoil relations with it, and it’s kind of agreed.
      It was all in my memory. Dad, of course, did not keep maps of Italy at home, they were secret, but he had spoken about them all these years. (Large declassified General Staff sheets, I think you have many.) Like that. But, unfortunately, my dad didn’t drive around Italy for free. But I traveled in the early 2000s, but already a tourist, and for my money ...
      So, the Vatican library with archives would go to us! But fate was not then.
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    Quote: neri73-r
    type historians - Biron

    Was Biron a historian? Who is the fool included ...
    1. rich 4 March 2020 18: 55 New
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      I welcome you, Vyacheslav hi
      Was Biron a historian? This is who includes the fool.

      Can neri73-r I meant the granddaughter of Biron - the writer of the 19th century Ekaterina Petrovna, Katarina Frederick Wilhelmina Benigna von Biron.
      Her historical novels were read by Mashenka in the novel by A.S. Pushkin "Dubrovsky"
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        Everything can be ... but what does the writer have to do with history, especially the writer of that time? And besides, judging by his other comments that Biron (Protestant) worked for the Vatican, he wrote exactly what he wanted. Do not ... protect!
        1. rich 4 March 2020 21: 29 New
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          I do not know. We can only guess. neri73-r about the historian Biron is silent as partisans during interrogation smile
        2. kalibr 4 March 2020 21: 31 New
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          And they are all silent when they are asked about something directly and specifically. In general, they know everything about everything, but specifically you will not get an answer. Only minus ...
        3. Mwg
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          Well, so far only those whose statements are disputed by you have been criticized ...
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          And they do not answer my questions. For example, no one answered how it is known that Schletser and Miller rewrote our annals, or that they rewrote history, but then what about the annals? Or that they all copied, but why then in the census there is not the slightest humiliation of Russia? How many times have I asked about this - there are no answers. Here are the cons and appear. They are put by those who correctly value such silence. "And she feeds on fables ..."
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          But it is known for certain that they were the lifetime enemies of Lomonosov, and then edited his work “Ancient Russian history from the beginning of the Russian people until the death of Grand Duke Yaroslav the first or before 1054.” And it is known for certain that the work of V. N. Tatishchev of the 1730s, Russian History, was published, for some reason, much later, in 1769-1784. and also under their own editorship.
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          And the annals were replaced. And there is evidence of rubbing and erasing and replacing whole sheets. only works on this subject are traditionally scolded, not discussed.
          And humiliation, and what humiliation? It depends on how you interpret this concept: if we talk about the wealth and greatness of a country with its fragility and creation from the outside, is this a humiliation? There is such a method, described by G. K. Chesterton: do you want to hide a dead tree, plant a dead forest. And there is such a commonplace way to seem better than others: constantly speak badly of others, including in trusting form
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          Quote: MVG
          And the annals were replaced. And there is evidence of rubbing and erasing and replacing whole sheets. only works on this subject are traditionally scolded, not discussed.
          And humiliation, and what humiliation? It depends on how you interpret this concept: if we talk about the wealth and greatness of a country with its fragility and creation from the outside, is this a humiliation?

          Have all the chronicles been replaced? And where are the works on this subject "snickering"? Author - title of work, publisher, page? And where in the chronicles it is said about the fragility and creation of our state from the outside? The invitation to reign foreign princes is not the creation of a state. There was reign before them, like the city. And it would be clear if the chronicles did not describe our victories, but only defeat. But this is not so. So you say empty words. Based on the opinion of uneducated laymen, for whom the words of PSRL is an empty phrase. And say this to people who have been engaged in the subject of historiography for decades. You yourself are not funny?
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          The Radzivilov Chronicle is a story with a missing sheet, miraculously found by historians and compilers of the Moscow Academic Chronicle. The sheet contains a global chronology of all known history, again wonderfully consistent with the Scaliger version of history.
          Do you know about this? Are you an honest historian?
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          Tell me the moderator, why does it turn out that the commented now comment was first replaced by the text "you are not allowed to comment on this topic", and then arose in a greatly reduced form? I break the rules of the site - banya. Or are we not all users on the site are equal? Some are more equal than others? You can’t yap in any direction? So write: do not yap towards such and such. It will be fair.
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          And remember, Valery, that it’s not customary for anyone to contact you. You can’t yap this way! Learn it for the future! VO is a site of very polite people. Here even ... (the word is forbidden in VO) and ignoramuses say YOU!
      2. kalibr 5 March 2020 20: 37 New
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        It's ugly to answer a question with a question. I was the first to ask and would like to receive an answer. He asked to name the work, where he "laughs". That is, we were talking about one thing. You jump to another. Such techniques show the dishonesty of the opponent.
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        Dear, I take off my hat! All your administrative resource! You can be hungry as you like, they still will not give me an answer. I already wrote and deleted. I would venture to write again: you hush up the topics under discussion and intensely begin to discuss related topics. Sophism and Jesuitism - such names at one time received similar types of manipulations in the dispute. Initially, the topic of discussion was minipulations of historians with information, and I gave you examples of such manipulation. And do not try to translate the conversation in a different direction.
        "The Radzivilov Chronicle is a story with a missing sheet miraculously found by the historians compilers of the Moscow Academic Chronicle. The sheet contains a global chronology of all known history, again wonderfully consistent with the Scaliger version of the story." - That was the answer that you probably did not notice.
        And the sniffing is going right here and now:
        “For once I completely agree with your comments. Do not waste time on the apologists of the sect.” History has been falsified since ancient times. All documents are replaced with "correct". You can’t prove anything to them anyway: logic is not part of their cognitive paradigm. "
        “And the wild Germans probably came to the academy to study at Lomonosov. And apparently they translated it from Russian into Latin, since the Slavs have whole ancient libraries in philosophy, jurisprudence, and geometry.”
        And this is your follower:
        "let me guess:" a closed library "for people like you? Where do you get knowledge from then? Or does faith require no evidence?"
        "is archeology classified? belay by whom? by the Vatican? by the Romanovs? is this fact also" men told you "?"
        "and if you tell him that the Vatican’s library is also open? Or is it better dosed?"
        And it’s you personally: “Exactly! Well, isn’t it tempting? And there was atomic warfare and a general brainwashing in 1780. You can believe in it, no worse than anything else. And the Caucasus ... what the Caucasus, when Russians rule the world! "
      4. kalibr 8 March 2020 19: 44 New
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        Well, so online why not over .... and not laugh? Ignorance is so rushing. Then you know, you spend years studying the simplest topic, but comes ... and begins to "make discoveries." Let’s do this: you give me a link to your article on historical topics. ON ANY TOPIC! But in the journals ISSUES OF HISTORY, MILITARY-HISTORICAL MAGAZINE, HISTORY OF THE RUSSIAN STATE AND LAW. Including an article about a lost page. Only 1 article and I am ready to agree with all your "comments". Well, bolder ... Feel free to write here in PM. Well, if not. That ... I don’t have time to teach anyone here. PSRL at your service. By the way, why should smart people be my followers? They are on their own, I myself.
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        You know, you spend years studying the simplest topic,

        Vyacheslav - centuries can be spent on the study of intentionally invented myths, there are examples in history. wink
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        By whom and why invented? And then, it doesn’t happen that someone thinks up so well that another, studying the “notion”, cannot recognize it. There is always something that betrays it. Have you read all the PSRL volumes? Or do you have a diploma in source study? Maybe you are also a candidate of science in this area.
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        Maybe you are also a candidate of science in this area.

        No Vyacheslav, I'm just a thinking person. There are plenty of examples of rewriting history. For example, the baptism of Russia - all sources describe the joy of the people at baptism, but were people really so happy when the prince with a foreign squad began to impose a new God, while completely rejecting the old, native Gods whom the ancestors worshiped ? This is called rewriting history. An example of a distortion of historical facts is well described by Valentin Ivanov in "Primordial Russia" when Procopius' thoughts are described. hi
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        There are plenty of examples of rewriting history. For example, the baptism of Russia - all sources describe the joy of the people at baptism, but were people really so happy when the prince with a foreign squad began to impose a new God, while completely rejecting the old, native Gods whom the ancestors worshiped ? This is called rewriting history.

        Igor! You do not look like a thinking person. Well, absolutely! So that you wrote NO ONE AND DO NOT DISPUTE. Even Schletser (German) wrote a book about "dark places" in our annals and the obvious correspondence of a number of places. She came out in Russia in translation in 1805. It was not that they did not correspond, but by whom, when and for what purpose. And it was said that it was Miller, Schletser, agents of the Vatican and so on. Don't you remember? Here it is a branch! Walk ... And the fact that the annals were edited, including personally by Ivan the Terrible, no one argues. It was again about belittling the history of Russia in the annals. Really and you managed to forget it? There will be an article about the annals of Russia and the Russian state and how they are studied ...
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        You do not look like a thinking person. Well, absolutely!

        About how! belay Thank you, dear Vyacheslav! good You know how to "polish" the opponent. laughing
        If you remember, the discussion with us began with
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        By whom and why invented?
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        I gave you a vivid example of "inventing" - religion. Does it occupy a rather large part in history? And besides religion in history, it is full of examples of cutting down historical events, and the creation of new historical myths. Do you not know about this? wink
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        And now it turns out that you don’t know how to read. Rather, you read only yourself. And constantly rush through the open door. If you read the studies of the same chronicles, it would never have occurred to you to make such "discoveries." I told you that even that Schletser paid attention to this ... and then only perhaps the lazy did not write about it. Here's a start: Alekseev A. A., Bobrov A. G., Likhachev D. S. Textology. SPb., 2001
        Amosov A.A. Facial annals of Ivan the Terrible. M., 1998.
        Berezhkov N.G. Chronology of the Russian chronicles. M., 1963
        Buganov V.I. Domestic historiography of the Russian annals. M., 1975
        Vilkul T. L. The people and the prince in the ancient Russian chronicles of the middle of the XI-XIII centuries. M., 2009.
        Vovina-Lebedeva V.G. New chronicler. History of the text. SPb., 2004.
        And here is just about editing the annals: Alshits D.N. Ivan the Terrible and the postscript to the personal vaults of his time // Istor. notes. 1947.Vol. 23. S. 251-289.

        Ziborov V.K.On the annals of Nestor. SPb., 1995.
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        This dissertation is also very interesting: Schools of the study of Russian chronicles: ХIХ - mid XX century. topic of dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.09, Doctor of Historical Sciences Vovina, Varvara Gelievna 2012, St. Petersburg
        SO DON'T BREAK IN AN OPEN DOOR, DO NOT.
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        SO DON'T BREAK IN AN OPEN DOOR, DO NOT.

        Something I do not understand you Vyacheslav. You are trying to prove that in history there are no substitutions and invented events for the study of which the descendants spend years, then tell me that these are obvious things. Or did I misunderstand you?
        P.S. Vyacheslav, you used to seem to me above what would go on to be personal. wink
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        And now it turns out that you don’t know how to read. Rather, you read only yourself.
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        You are trying to prove that in history there are no substitutions and invented events for the study of which the descendants spend years, then tell me that these are obvious things.

        And you still take offense at something ... The second time I write, SECOND, that it was about the fact that the annals were rewritten by Miller, Schletser, agents of the Vatican. Even one nerd wrote that according to our chronicles the Germans trampled well. Further, that these changes were aimed at belittling our history. What the title of the article is talking about. Am I spelling out? But no one disputes that there were substitutions in the annals. Only neither the Vatican’s agents, Mi Miller and Schletser, nor Peter the Great, nor Catherine have anything to do with it. Clear? And not to diminish all these changes were directed, but to praise the church, princes and kings. At least now it dawned on you or not? And how can one not get personal, when I hammer it for you the SECOND TIME? And before that it was all about the same !!!
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        Only neither the Vatican’s agents, Mi Miller and Schletser, nor Peter the Great, nor Catherine have anything to do with it.

        The British in their expansion around the world, as a matter of priority, after conquering countries built their schools, and replaced traditional values ​​and beliefs from the mentality of the indigenous population. All this was done intentionally with the aim of enforcing their values ​​and, as a consequence, the transformation of the people into their vassal. Moreover, this is being done now.
        Why do you exclude the same intent on the part of the Germans in the 17-18th centuries? Indeed, any conspiracy theory must be considered from the opposite - we take the declared goals and methods for achieving them, and we ask ourselves whether the results of achieving these goals will be beneficial to the prospective participants in this "conspiracy theory" and whether the methods for achieving these goals are effective. And ridiculing those "theories" and people involved in exposing them is just one of the techniques of these theories. A vivid example of the Catechism of Jews in the USSR - everything is detailed there.
        So I want to ask you a question - can the Norman theory of the origin of Russia be beneficial to anyone outside of Russia?
        And yet - how do you feel about the rumors about the digging back by German archaeologists of the results of excavations on the island of Rugen, which suddenly turned out to be of Slavic origin?
        P.S. And do not get excited, imagine that I am a persistent first-year student. bully
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        I answered you, but the answer got to the very end.
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        Why do you exclude the same intent on the part of the Germans in the 17-18th centuries?

        Because you do not know anything about chronicles. I gave you a list of books. Read. And here is a list of dissertations. Read. And your silly questions will decrease!
        1. Methods of transmitting someone else's speech in Russian chronicles of the XII - XVI centuries. Author: Vlasova, Ekaterina Alexandrovna. Specialty of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation: 10.02.01 Scientific degree: Candidate Year of defense: 2014 Place of defense: Moscow Number of pages: 361 s. : ill. free download abstract Price: 250 rubles.
        2. The front vault and Russian chronicles of the XVI century. Author: Morozov, Valentin Viktorovich Specialty code: 07.00.09 Scientific degree: Doctoral Year of defense: 2006 Place of defense: Moscow Number of pages: 418 p. : ill. Cost: 250 rub.
        3. Morphological phenomena in the language of Russian chronicles of the XIX-XY centuries. at. Theses for the humanities Author of scientific work: Andrsh, Lyubov Ivanovna Degree: candidate of philological sciences Place of defense of the dissertation: Odessa Specialty Code HAC: 10.02.01
        4. Traditional formulas of Russian annals: structure and semantics Year: 2015 Author of a scientific work: Zaynullina, Saida Radikovna Degree: candidate of philological sciences Place of defense of the dissertation: Izhevsk Special code VAK: 10.02.01
        5. Parish annals as a historical source: Mid XIX - early XX centuries. Author: Dobrenky, Sergey Ivanovich Specialty of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation: 07.00.09 Scientific degree: Candidate Year of defense: 2006 Place of defense: Moscow Number of pages: 230 p. Cost: 250 rub.
        6. The Great Steppe and the Land of Polovetskaya: According to Russian chronicles, the topic of the dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, candidate of historical sciences Aksenov, Valery Vasilyevich candidate of historical sciences 2002, Kazan
        7. Historical and linguistic study of Turkic-Tatar geographical names in Russian chronicles: IX - XVI centuries. topic of dissertation and abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 10.02.02, candidate of philological sciences Akhmetzyanov, Ildar Gabdrashitovich 2004, Kazan
      16. Ingvar 72 10 March 2020 22: 12 New
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        And in simple words on the topic of the questions asked? I would like to know exactly your opinion, and not to see the list of historical literature of very authoritative authors of course.
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        Igor! I already expressed my opinion to you. TWICE! Repeat in THIRD? Are you too lazy to read and learn yourself? So tell me. About digging was in my article!
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    So I do not claim that I am a historian and never claimed this. What article are you asking me? You are a historian, you are in your hands. You, as a professional, can err on the side of explaining their errors, but you do not do this, but demand "proof in the studio." This is the same if, for example, they turn to me for advice, and I instead reply to them: "Well, you, my friend and!". You took the trouble to be a historian, so share your knowledge, eliminate illiteracy.
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    Well, share knowledge, eliminate illiteracy.

    What am I doing? Take a look at the profile and there are 1250 articles just for this. But I do not like it when they write back to me all the nonsense of the ignorant. Peremptorily!
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    OK. Here is a link to one of the works, do it as a special - refute reasonably:
    https://www.tart-aria.info/prokljate-shigirskogo-idola/
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    Do you understand that there are different specialists? A proctologist and a urologist are doctors, but they look at different holes. I have never dealt with this topic.
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    I get it. You are in what area of ​​science history specializes, I will look for something for your specialization
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    Valery! My specialization is PROFILE. Take a look. Read. These are PR, mass consciousness control, the history of the CPSU, the history of armored vehicles, samurai, the historiography of knightly armaments, castles, cultural studies, sources and source studies.
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    OK. I will take the liberty of writing a couple of articles on your topic.
    It will be very interesting to hear the opinion of the traditional historian on a different view of the events of the past. Where else do you have to talk face to face
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    Well, this is interesting and always welcome here. By the way, if you type “Shpakovsky V.O. all books” in Google, you will get out all my 36 books in Russian and 4 in English. Suddenly you like something? There is an author site. today, where now you can read my historical novel "People and Weapons". There is practically no fiction there, except that the characters were invented, and so, this is essentially an informative work.
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    “By the way, why should smart people be my followers? They are on their own, I myself.” - tell me how you evaluate the intellectual potentials of a person who answers like this: “I thought for a long time: I don’t answer, because they’ll banned me again, and there is no more ignore on the site. Follower is a reader
    well, in general: you went to ..y, dolboslav! "
    Punctuation and spelling preserved in the original.
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    No way! Because I do not know this person !!! It can be both the blind-eyed academician and the sober loader. For example, I grew up on Proletarskaya Street and surrounded by hardworking children, and so I can drive up so calmly that you will never guess a candidate of sciences in me. By the way, I was banned many times for the mat. Mate and intellectual potency are two different things.
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    Only they warn me, for some reason, for much less.
    And so, it was just about your statement about smart people as followers.
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    Only they warn me, for some reason, for much less.
    And so, it was just about your statement about smart people as followers.

    I don’t know Valery! I have no influence on the moderators and administration of the site. On the contrary, I am impressed that they treat me like everyone else. This is very correct. Most likely your "lesser" sounds worse than a mat ...
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    "Most likely your" lesser "sounds worse than a mat ..." - You have a good opinion about people
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    The more I know people, the more I love cats! Remember Robert Merle's novel, The Intelligent Animal, that dolphins said about people there ...
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    Author - title of work, publisher, page?
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    And the wild Germans probably came to Lomonosov’s academy to study. And apparently translated from Russian into Latin, since the Slavs have entire ancient libraries in philosophy, jurisprudence, and geometry.
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    Sorry, but official history and its representatives also very often sin in silence. Or, even worse, a juggling of facts and "blindness."
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    Sorry, but official history and its representatives also very often sin in silence.

    Do you know why, Sergey? Do not want to get involved in under-education! As they say do not roll the beads in front of ... let them not trample it underfoot!
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    There will be several questions. A big request to give a logical answer. It is generally accepted that the settlement of our continent came from Africa. Why do not pay attention to the parking in Kostenki? It is also believed that the Scythians settled in the Black Sea region. What to do with Kyzyl gold? Where did the Scythians, Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Khazars go? Why are the findings of Siberia without reason given the name "Indian mirror rattles"? There are insanely many similar questions ...
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    Do you want to take a university course at HE, and hire me to be a teacher, Sergey? I'm afraid that individual training will not be affordable for you. Firstly, there is no such historian who would simultaneously deal with all these issues. Clear? Secondly, to get the answers you have to turn to different specialists, spend them and your time on this. And for whom or what? I do not need it. You need? Not enough money to pay for this work!
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    Thanks for the advice. Questions were rather philosophical in nature. Education is enough. In total 20 years. Experience in writing scientific papers is also available. Yes, and the writing guide ... And they always ask the first question: "What works have you got acquainted with?" And research, in my opinion, is empty if they rely on sources of the same orientation. “Each opinion has the right to be, but must be subjected to critical analysis. And only then is it given an objective assessment” ...
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    And research, in my opinion, is empty if they rely on sources of the same orientation. “Each opinion has the right to be, but must be subjected to critical analysis. And only then is it given an objective assessment” ...

    That is why it is so difficult to answer so many very special questions. So far, be satisfied that soon there will be two of my materials on our annals. Go to the VO.
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    And they always ask the first question: "What works have you got acquainted with?"

    Great! I also said the same to my graduate students. But you see that there are a lot of "experts" who confuse Miller with Biron, Catholics and Protestants, and that PSRL have ... 0 representations. Everything is like Pushkin’s - “She eats fables ...”!
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    We have Svanidze, Chubais, Mlechin historians. Why be surprised?
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    Was Biron a historian? Who is the fool included ...

    You seem to turn on Durku, because for you, "historians like Biron" and "historian Biron" are one and the same! belay
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      But Biron was not a "type" historian!
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    Italy was already an ally in 1945
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    Biron and the company commissioned by the Vatican skillfully rewrote history and destroyed / seized originals.


    Yeah, they dug up the whole of Russia immense and from every zemlyatsev got all the ancient letters of the ancient Rus, went around every house, every mound, etc. In general, they did what even modern archaeologists cannot do on a vast territory.

    P'P ° Pј СЃР ° РјРѕРјСѓ то РЅРµ СЃРјРµС € РЅРѕ? lol
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    Yeah, they’re still finding her. For example, quite recently and quite by chance found in the Grand Canyon cave inscriptions in Hebrew dating from the 6th century. BC. And already in Ukraine they were found - unmeasured. Especially a lot of discoveries made since 2014
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    Although there is hardly written in Hebrew.

    Guessing is not necessary. Need to know. There are also in Hebrew. Moreover, there is a list of materials that are available there. Moreover, you can request their photocopies. Here was my article about the Vatican library and its wealth. Take an interest.
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      Quote: kalibr
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      Although there is hardly written in Hebrew.

      Guessing is not necessary. Need to know. There are also in Hebrew. Moreover, there is a list of materials that are available there. Moreover, you can request their photocopies. Here was my article about the Vatican library and its wealth. Take an interest.

      Do you guarantee that you know about all the materials there? Or is there an open (for people like you) and a closed part of the library?
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        let me guess: "closed library" for people like you? where do you get knowledge from then? or faith does not require evidence?
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        Any person engaged in scientific research can write an application to the Vatican library and get permission to work there. For the money, of course. Even in the secret section. But it costs money and you still have to live there. And in Rome it is expensive. But if you want, will I arrange you there?
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          I really liked the introductory illustration to the article “Scandinavian Odin with the Valkyries”!
          I did not expect the author to adhere to Norman theory!
          Nevertheless, the black-and-white drawing for the work of Eduard Vyashchenko is much more reliable than this miraculous fantasy, which depicts "the two-eyed One, on a throne with the heads of the Pardus, instead of ravens." Otherwise, everything is historical, winged helmets, winged spears, even Valkyries are also winged. Scandinavian shields and chain mail. With helmets, the artist a little podkosyachil, Well it’s okay a little bit possible.
          Regards, Kote!
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            And no complaints to the dugouts! laughing laughing good
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            I really liked the introductory illustration to the article “Scandinavian Odin with the Valkyries”!


            The author added an illustration, but forgot the soundtrack of the article:

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          Any person engaged in scientific research can write an application to the Vatican library and get permission to work there. But if you want, will I arrange you there?

          and Samsonov do not forget!
          Although Petukhov, Klesov, grandfather Chu and the company already wrote everything.
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      Quote: kalibr
      Here was my article about the Vatican library and its wealth. Take an interest.

      You only know what the Vatican wanted to show ...
      These Vatican citizens hide even more harmless sources of information and do not recognize: Mavro Orbini's "Slavic Kingdom", first published in Italy in 1601.
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        These Vatican citizens conceal and do not recognize even more harmless sources of information:

        And why in the Russian Federation there is no ancient library similar to the Vatican? After all, then there would be no dependence on them. It turns out greatness was, but it was recorded in foreign libraries and they hide the Old.
        The fact that you have to rely on the Vatican means the Slavs do not reach them. Italy 1000 - 1600 years surpassed Russia by head. The absence of a Slavic Vatican library indirectly indicates that there was no greatness.
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          The answer is straight to the surface. After all, the fact that Peter introduced a new calendar is recognized. Before that, we had a Slavic one — by the way, summer 7529 is passing by now. Before Peter, we had not a spruce, but a birch and we celebrated it in the fall, September 1, according to the old style. And so the question is, what does it mean that we should not have originals dating from 1200 or 1300, In general, everything is younger than 1700. And we have the current they are - the question is, how so ?? So this is correspondence or simply written finally some strange sources.
        2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 6 March 2020 10: 06 New
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          Well, why, Ivan the Terrible was collecting the library, but it was lost later, however. However, in the Vatican there may be books from ours ... Everything can be!
          1. nickname7 6 March 2020 14: 48 New
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            Ivan the Terrible was collecting the library, but it was lost later

            And they have not lost, which indirectly confirms that their development is higher than ours.
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          Our Leninka is no worse than the Vatican! There is still need to figure it out.
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            Our Leninka is no worse than the Vatican!

            No worse, but we were talking about medieval libraries, but we didn’t have such libraries.
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          Quote: nickname7
          These Vatican citizens conceal and do not recognize even more harmless sources of information:

          And why in the Russian Federation there is no ancient library similar to the Vatican? After all, then there would be no dependence on them. It turns out greatness was, but it was recorded in foreign libraries and they hide the Old.
          The fact that you have to rely on the Vatican means the Slavs do not reach them. Italy 1000 - 1600 years surpassed Russia by head. The absence of a Slavic Vatican library indirectly indicates that there was no greatness.

          Do you know anything about the library of Ivan the Terrible?
          Strange however!
          Search for information online.
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          And why in the Russian Federation there is no ancient library similar to the Vatican?

          How is it not? And this is what: Russian State Archive of Ancient Acts
          rgada.info
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    You see, it’s easier to throw minuses than to discuss the Vatican library. The topic under discussion and similar ones on many resources cause hysteria and flows of bile and causticity.
    Who will let it so easily break the lovingly cultivated and implanted illusion of the birthright))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    1. kalibr 5 March 2020 11: 49 New
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      Valery! Here on the site was my article just on the content of the Vatican library and it did not cause any hysteria and bile. Use a search engine or profile, find and read. And there was no question of any illusions of the birthright. No need to multiply ridiculous entities for no reason.
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        I agree, it is not necessary and even harmful. But one also does not need to make fun of what the rational grain contains without rebuttal. Where do you get the linguistic coincidences of Sanskrit and modern Russian? Where are the legends about the northern homeland of the highest caste of the Hindus with the northern lights and landscapes of the Kola Peninsula? Where do you get the finds of traditionally Russian ducks and field symbols from Crete, how do you explain the 100% coincidence of the traditional patterns of Perm and Amazakhs? Where, finally, to draw the medieval image of the "Indians" of North America with beards with a shovel, Armenians and bast shoes? And the Ainu from the Japanese islands? Where to put the "deplorable speech" written in Latin letters in Russian? And yes, do you seriously believe in a fairy tale that Christopher Columbus accidentally discovered America? And the notorious bombarded cities? Tales that 3-20 meter blockages are the horses on the hooves struck, do you seriously seem reliable?
        When they begin to explain all this to us, everything turns out to be very complicated, intermittent, not logical and confusing. Or maybe the principle of Occam’s razor should be applied in the first place by authoritative and official? And if they don’t apply it and nobody “notices” this, then maybe they need authoritative and official defaults to authoritatively chatter those who ask questions?
        1. nickname7 6 March 2020 14: 44 New
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          Where do you get the linguistic coincidences of Sanskrit and modern Russian?

          This issue has been investigated in sufficient detail. Russian language, inherited the time system from Sanskrit. But in other languages ​​there are more Sanskrit words, in others more sounds, all Indo-European languages ​​have similarities, but in different ways.

          medieval images of the "Indians" of North America with beard shovels, Armenians and bast shoes?

          And this is nonsense.

          Where to put the "deplorable speech" written in Latin letters in Russian? And yes, do you seriously believe in a fairy tale that Christopher Columbus accidentally discovered America?

          And this is bullshit.
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            Parallels (that is, direct kinship): “jnana” - “knowledge”, “vidya” - “knowledge”, “dvara” - “door”, “mrit” - “death”, “shveta” - “light” , "Jiva" - "lively", kim - which, which, tat - one,
            sarva - everything, kada - when, tada - then, the garden - always, VIRGO - DEVI, BIG - BHADRA, WAKE - BUDH, GUBBUL - BULL, BE - BHU, WAY - BHAVANA, SHAFT - SHAFT, LEAD - VIEW, LEAD, VEDA, VEDANA, VEDUN - VEDIN, WIDOVA - VEDHAVA, WIND - VATAR, VERTANA - LIE, VARTANA, WAVE - VOLANA, GATE - VARTAN'S VOLTAGE, STOP - HLAS, ROTATION - GHNA,
            LOOT - HRABH, GIVE - GIVE YES GIVE, DAY - GIFT DAN, TWO, TWO, TWO - TWO, TWO, TWO
            And another half a kilometer list.
            Found in nete all this in a couple of minutes. and this is not only a system of times, but much more.
            Look for deplorable speech there.
            And you don’t need to rush into delirium to announce what you yourself see for the first time, otherwise it’s easy to get into a funny situation
            1. nickname7 6 March 2020 18: 16 New
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              And another half a kilometer list
              In Greek or German, there will be no less words, but others. The English have h aspiratory, h real Sanskrit, unlike our x. The Germans say "this is a tree", and we say "this tree", the auxiliary verb "is" is a distortion of Sanskrit, i.e. our times are more purely preserved. In general, they have some elements closer to Sanskrit than ours, but we have other elements closer.
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              In short, who has more elements, he claims to Sanskrit. We hope that you will successfully carry out work in comparison of different elements.
  • Glory1974 4 March 2020 09: 57 New
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    Could you elaborate on the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?

    birch bark letters of ancient Russia date from the 9-10th century
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      In fact, they date back to the 11-15th centuries. Psalter of 1010 is considered the most ancient
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        not I dated. Online info that 9-10 century
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        Quote: pru-pavel
        In fact, they date back to the 11-15th centuries. Psalter of 1010 is considered the most ancient

        Source of information in the studio ... in your opinion there was no written contract with Byzantium in 911?
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          There was a contract, but its originals were not preserved. This treaty is known only from the late annals. In addition, it was compiled in Greek and Old Slavonic languages ​​(Old Slavonic - it would be more correct to even speak Old Bulgarian, it was the Greeks for the Bulgarians who developed this literary written language) This agreement is not specifically a monument of Russian writing. Thanks to the Greeks, the Bulgarian language appeared much earlier, but in Russia it was recorded only after the adoption of Christianity. If we consider the Bulgarian written language of Russia, whose monuments were not found in Russia, then we can certainly speak of pre-Christian writing, the Bulgarians also have a written post-Christian writing, by the way, they adopted Christianity much earlier.
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          By dating. There is wikipedia.
          There is a complete database of letters you can see for yourself
          http://gramoty.ru/birchbark/document/filter/?conditionalDateInitialYear=1020&conditionalDateFinalYear=1030
  • Keyser soze 4 March 2020 14: 44 New
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    the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?


    Samsonov again broke through to the Internet and wrote what he could. But it was said that it was to lock the office of the head doctor ... wassat
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      So spring! Spring aggravation ... smile
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Samsonov again broke through to the Internet and wrote what he could.

  • Asiat-s 5 March 2020 17: 37 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Could you elaborate on the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?

    Doesn’t faith allow reading books on your own?
    Here, out of the blue:
    "The ancient history of the Slavs and Slavic-Russes before the Rurik time" - Egor Ivanovich Klassen
    "Slavic Kingdom" - Mavro Orbini
    "The Great Deception. A Fictional History of Europe" - Uwe Topper
    "The Arctic Homeland in the Vedas" - Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak
    Look on the net or here you can also https://wakeupnow.info/ru/knigi/knigi-drugikh-avtorov
  • Tank jacket 5 March 2020 18: 14 New
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    It turns out that any people on the planet had their own civilization and the Russians were just born in swamps and forests and immediately went out into the world? (C)
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      The origin of the Russians is connected with the Cheops pyramid under the supervision of a dog and we carry this information on ourselves, we just need to bring some part of the body to the state of papyrus.
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      Quote: Tank jacket
      It turns out that any people on the planet had their own civilization and the Russians were just born in swamps and forests and immediately went out into the world? (C)

      Yeah, "three of the woods" ... We went along Yu. Nikitin.
      1. Tank jacket 12 March 2020 19: 25 New
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        History is a weapon directed from the past to the future (c) Inspire the people that they are backward and they did not have an ancient history and ...
    3. Alecsandr April 15 2020 15: 30 New
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      It turns out like this. I have lived 60 years and I can confidently say that it was like that in life, and written down in history a little differently. Sometimes it’s just the opposite. Now judge the correctness of the court historians. And people still have the memory as it was on really.
  • l7yzo 5 March 2020 19: 49 New
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    Easy - where did Cyrillic come from (well, from what did Cyril and Methodius create) ?? For example, in the Urals they found a relief stone map, whose age is 120 million years. And also there is a rune. And at least a joke - all the kings of France swore allegiance to the "Reims Gospel", and it "The Reims Gospel consists of 2 parts, written in different Slavic letters:
    - The first part is Cyrillic, and
    - 2nd - verb. "

    "It cannot be said that nothing was known about the Slavic manuscript in Reims in Russia.
    - In 1717, Emperor Peter I arrived on state affairs in France. Traveling to different cities of this country, on June 27 he visited the ancient city of Reims, the traditional coronation site of French kings. In the Reims Cathedral, Catholic priests, paying special attention to the distinguished guest, showed him their relic - an old strange book written in mysterious, incomprehensible signs. Peter picked up the book and, to the surprise of those present, began to freely read aloud to the shocked clerics the first part of the manuscript. The emperor explained that this is a Church Slavonic text. As for the second part, neither the royal guest, nor his close ones could read it. The French were astounded by what had happened, and this story was recorded as one of the most remarkable events when Peter I visited France. "
  • Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2020 11: 18 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Could you elaborate on the ancient writing of the Slavs in Russia in the pre-Christian era?

    Of course it is possible. But you still declare that this cannot be, because it cannot be.
    Your ancestors came up with a single God, and he began a triumphal procession on the planet in the form of Christianity. How did the new religion begin? That's right, with the fight against "polytheism." Moreover, the struggle is brutal, uncompromising, and bloody. In this struggle, everything was destroyed that concerned the history of the people, their culture and, of course, the written language. In the form of written sources.
    But this was only the first wave. Then there was the second - Nikon's reforms, then the third - Romanov’s, etc. But, despite all these waves, something remained. But this minuscule is in every way hushed up by professional historians. Because, if you open it, then hundreds and thousands of dissertations will fly, you will have to admit that you are wrong. And who wants this?
    Hence your exclamations about the allegedly non-existent writing of the Slavs.
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    The theme of the written language of the Slavs in the pre-Christian era is well covered by Igor Yuryevich Dodonov in the book "Sources of Slavic writing", I recommend.
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    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    It turns out any people on the planet had their own civilization

    Not at all, by the way! Why write this without thinking. And many now do not have it.
  • Connor MacLeod 5 March 2020 00: 13 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    It turns out any people he had his own civilization on the planet, and the Russians were simply born in swamps and forests and immediately entered the world.

    Far from anyone. There are thousands of peoples and languages ​​on the planet, and there are about a dozen “centers of civilizations” (regions where complex agrarian societies have independently emerged):

    Valley of the Tigris and Euphrates
    Nile Valley
    Indus Valley
    China
    Southeast Asia
    Mexico
    Peru
    West Africa
    South Africa
    .....

    The most influential of these are the first four. Most states and cultures on Earth are, to one degree or another, the successors of these civilizations. Including Ancient Russia, which is fully integrated into the cultural area of ​​Byzantium, which in turn was formed under the influence of civilizations of the Ancient East. And even these ancient seven-language states are also the receivers of an even more ancient Sumerian Civilization ...
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      P. No. 6 - Mayans and Toltecs! In vain you discard them ... I would move them to fifth or even fourth place! The end of the world is not given to everyone to predict and eat their people ...
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        I didn’t sort by seniority, but rather grouped geographically - West Asia, East Asia, America and Africa. All of them are unique in their own way ...
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          Accepted, good, good! I agree. I don’t give you an assessment - I am not a school teacher. Have a nice day!
    2. kalibr 5 March 2020 11: 53 New
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      Now, Eugene, they’ll give you a hat. Because the East is Jews, and you connect Russia to Byzantium, where there were a lot of them, that is, you swung at the holy - the birthright of the Slavs all over the world!
      1. Connor MacLeod 5 March 2020 23: 49 New
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        But this is the way it is, the Slavic-Finno-Ugric state, which inherited the administrative vertical of the Khazar Haganate and the Viking trade relations, borrowing the Byzantine cultural code, became part of the Great East Christian Civilization, the genesis of which in turn goes back thousands of years. On the contrary should be proud!
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    why when the question arises about the origin of Russian civilization, or does its antiquity immediately rise a wave of refutations?

    In general, the refutation is not to history, but version Petukhov, do not confuse the story with fantasy.
  • Nick Russ 5 March 2020 20: 52 New
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    ,, Darwin also put forward the theory of the origin of man, and everyone followed it as about the absolute truth ,,

    Darwin himself did not expect such popularity of his theory of evolution.
    She just came in time.

    In general, this theory is completely untenable and unscientific, because there are no intermediate links in the chain of evolution, of which millions and billions must be found.
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    Teach folk histories of crazy graphomaniacs at school? Are you serious ?

    that is, teaching Jewish folk history in schools is the norm?
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      that is, teaching Jewish folk history in schools is the norm?

      Well, this is the same)))
      What is the Torah, I hope you know)))
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        It is painful to realize that many Western Europeans are in fact our relatives who are overthrown by Europeans who are arrogant in their European character, descendants of Aryan migrants from our swamps and forests. laughing
        1. kalibr 4 March 2020 08: 14 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          relatives

          We are all relatives, because from Adam and Eve!
          1. kalibr 4 March 2020 09: 52 New
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            Judging by the minuses, someone came from Lilith, of course!
            1. Pane Kohanku 4 March 2020 10: 03 New
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              Judging by the minuses, someone came from Lilith, of course!

              Vyacheslav Olegovich, you can still recall Darwin's theory. what
              I did not understand another:
              At the same time, the fact that the "young" Russian people created writing before the adoption of Christianity is omitted. That the Russians have the oldest literature in Europe, which is inferior in antiquity only to the literature of the ancient period. True, there is a well-founded opinion that "antique" literature was created in the Middle Ages. Accordingly, Russian literature in antiquity is not inferior to the so-called. antique.
              That is, the "new chronology" side-by-side, but quite seriously comes to VO? request
              I also ask you to enlighten on the following question. In the last diagram of the evolution of the “Proto-Slavs”, I did not find the peoples of the Caucasus. I saw Scythians, I saw Kurds, I saw the English, and the Russians on top of the cake. Please explain to which branch the natives of the Caucasus belong. hi Colleagues, waiting for your opinion. soldier
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                Quote: Pan Kohanku
                That is, the "new chronology" side-by-side, but quite seriously comes to VO?

                Exactly! Isn’t it tempting? And after all, in 1780 there was an atomic war and a general brainwashing. You can believe in it, no worse than anything else. And the Caucasus ... that the Caucasus, when the Russians rule the world!
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                  And after all, in 1780 there was an atomic war and a general brainwashing.

                  Washington and Lafayette partners with Jewish bankers arranged?

                  when Russians rule the world!

                  Please note that on the USA flag in the picture there are at least two Russian tricolors + the EU flag. fellow That is - everywhere our people! drinks
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                    Please note that on the USA flag in the picture there are at least two Russian tricolors + the EU flag
                    ..... Yes, yes ... and the war for US independence was not long ago, 50 years ago ... laughing
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                    ..... Yes, yes ... and the war for US independence was not long ago, 50 years ago ...

                    Alexey Anatolyevich, we will wait another 50 years, and we won’t be surprised if they write so. wink and all the rest - the Masons came up with it! drinks
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                    And Churchill was the main freemason ... He invented it all in 18 ... laughing drinks
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                    He invented it all in 18 ...

                    yeah, when I got hooked on brandy. yes with their chyme that you can’t imagine! Joseph Vissarionovich was trying to pull him out, sending boxes "naturel" - Armenian cognac, but the carcass in a bowler hat and a cigar in his teeth after the war still turned our ass to us. request
                    And Churchill was the main freemason ... He invented it all in 18 ...

                    and then another head physician Margulis banned TV! drinks
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                And the city of Beijing was founded by Russian bakers, Beijing is our city.
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            that the Caucasus, when the Russians rule the world!

            I also did not find the Chuvash in the genealogy picture. I think. That the presented scheme needs to be supplemented so that all the peoples of the Russian Federation are represented on it. On the porcelain of 1780-90 (under Catherine and serfdom!) They were completely imprinted for some reason, but here it is serious research - and they are not! soldier
            At the same time, I ask you to indicate the Finns, because I do not know who to attribute the nearest country to from St. Petersburg. I’m trying to get their visa, and I'm just not sure that I’ll take them to correct branch of the pre-Slavs. They will also expose ... no
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          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          That is, the "new chronology" side-by-side, but quite seriously comes to VO?

          So if it was already:

          Mommy is "mommy"
          Batu- "father"
          yes
          Then why not?
          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          on in?
          I also ask you to enlighten on the following question. In the submitted last pattern the evolution of the "Proto-Slavs" I did not find the peoples of the Caucasus. I saw Scythians, I saw Kurds, I saw the English, and the Russians on top of the cake. Please explain to which branch the natives of the Caucasus belong. Colleagues, waiting for your opinion.

          Nothing complicated: in the "tree, on the lower left branch ("Slavic Indo-Aryans" there is an UNFILLED "branch" (below Kurds ) - there you enter any of the neighbors of the Persians in the Caucasus! hi

          There, you really need one more ham for "Slavic-Chinese" good , also descendants of the Protoslavs (the opening I give to the author free of charge) yes
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            Slavic-Chinese

            Andrei, you will laugh, but it just might have been. drinks According to Gumilyov, in the Middle Ages in the Middle Kingdom for some time there was a small colony of Slavic settlers. hi
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          In the picture that concludes the article, at the very bottom, it is written - the ethnogenesis of the Indo-European peoples. Turn on Google / Yandex.
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          What does this article have to do with the New Chronology? The author derives the Slavs from the Aryans, and leads the corresponding scheme. You can do exactly the same, but to put in the center not the Slavs, but the Germans, the Romance people, etc. And everything will remain the same. Regarding writing - no one doubts that by the time the Cyrillic alphabet was created (9th century), our ancestors ALREADY had written language (Glagolitic, as well as features and cuts). Methodius in his letters mentioned that the alphabet was created on the basis of the Greek and already existing among the Slavs. And Christianity was adopted only in 988. This is the 10th century.
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            that at the time of the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet (9th century), our ancestors ALREADY had written language (Glagolitic, as well as features and cuts). Methodius in his letters mentioned that the alphabet was created on the basis of the Greek and already existing among the Slavs


            In fact, the glagolitic is created by Methodology. The Cyrillic alphabet was created by Clement of Ohrid, in the Preslav Book School, on behalf of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris I, in the so-called close-party Bulgarian interests - did not want to write in the Greek alphabet, but had their own and their own service books, in Bulgarian. Nefig they had to introduce Byzantine influence in the country. But the Russians got the alphabet and books by accident - there simply weren’t others.
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        Quote: kalibr
        Judging by the minuses, someone came from Lilith, of course!


        Good, damn it! smile
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          Good, damn it!

          yes, indeed, it is difficult not to produce the next branch of humanity from such a thing. wink drinks
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        No, rather, one of the Svarozhy’s grandchildren did not want to be assigned to the "Eden incubator."
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      If we refer to the Old Testament, in Chapter 1 - the Creator God created people, that is, people already lived. In Chapter 2, already the Lord God creates Adam and Eve, most likely Adam and Eve are the progenitors of the Semitic people, Jews and Arabs.
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      We are all relatives

      according to you, you can see ... the close ties of the biblical people are affecting)))
  • iouris 4 March 2020 14: 20 New
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    Europeans -
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    descendants of Aryan migrants from our swamps and forests.

    These are modern Russians wandered into the swamps, and our ancestors are the predecessors of the ancient Romans, the "Etruscans". Etruscans - Et'rus. It's time to get out of the swamps!
  • Igor Polovodov 4 March 2020 18: 17 New
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    In our "History", in accent and quotation marks, it is clear that it is not "ours" ...
  • tlauicol 4 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    Which of the Jewish fh have you been taught or are being taught? Is that the basics of religion a couple of hours
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    .... yeah, only Petukhov is the same historian as Bushkov or Chudinov.

    In 100 years ... yes, even earlier. People like you with foam at the mouth will defend the now-forming, lying Western version of World War II. Where are the Russians accusing us of unleashing it. And the evidence for people like you will be the same. After all, this is the "world-wide recognized version."
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      No one accuses the Russians of unleashing the Second World War. Like the Germans, which is interesting. Hitler and Stalin specifically are accused.
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        No one accuses the Russians of unleashing the Second World War. Like the Germans, which is interesting. Hitler and Stalin specifically are accused.

        Yeah, only them, and the principle of extrapolation has not yet been canceled; you are not holding us for suckers here. Better give the Palestinians and Syrians their land.
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          Who are the "plasticine"?
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            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            Who are the "plasticine"?

            Ahhh, the standings! Sit down, five! These are those who do not know who the Jews are.
            1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 11: 19 New
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              You will find any mention of the "plasticine people" or the state of "plasticine" until the 1960s, get a pie
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                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                You will find any mention of the "plasticine people" or the state of "plasticine" until the 1960s, get a pie


                By the way, who lived in Palestine before you appeared there? This is the first question.
                I. What did you do with them? Second.
                1. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 14: 39 New
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                  Before Palestine, Jews lived in Palestine. The Palestinian province of Judea was named by the emperor Hadrian after the suppression of the Bar Kochba rebellion in 135.
                  To answer the second question?
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                    Not ... After Egypt, and even in their writings they testified (surrender). Or is it excusable for the old times?

                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    To answer the second question?


                    So answer.
                  2. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 18: 06 New
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                    After Egypt, the Jews went to the Promised Land, it is also the Land of Knaan. Everyone was warned at the entrance: those who want to live under Jewish rule - submit, who want to run away - a tablecloth path, who want to fight - are to blame. Those who fled created beautiful trading cities and spread their colonies throughout the Mediterranean further from Tire to England. Those who obeyed - remained to live in their homes and began to pay taxes. Those who went to war died. That's how the ancestors acted more than three thousand years ago.
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                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    operated ancestors more than three thousand years ago.


                    But it's okay for yourself. The rest came to get out. By the way, children and women were completely cut out. and? But these are those who fought for their land. But did Hitler act on those terms? At first he said the same thing, so that they would be swept out. (I do not condone, but compare).

                    Why should the Arabs give you the territory? Well, Europeans are there, those are genocides, and they must answer. And even if they would give part of their (precisely their) territory (rightly so).
                    Those. Arabs can be understood, Europeans scoffed, and we have to pay. Yes, and an argument. that two thousand years ago, it was the Promised Land, which somehow doesn’t work (what would happen to the world if they wanted to restore the borders of at least 100 years ago).

                    Not, from a pragmatic point of view, Jews from the desert made paradise (under the Arabs. This land remained a desert.

                    But the purity of the experiment is messed up.
                  4. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 18: 53 New
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                    80 percent of Arabs in Israel (including Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip) are descendants of last century migrants from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Egypt. Why did they come here? Because since 1882, Jews began to return to the Land of Israel (massively returning, Jewish communities have always been) who built cities, planted gardens, created production and a terrible mixture of marshes and deserts suddenly became a blooming garden. And they live under the "occupation" so that in the same Jordan the dream of any father to give out a daughter for a "plasticine" from Schema or Hebron.
                  5. chenia 4 March 2020 19: 11 New
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                    9sobst
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    Why did they come here?

                    A common thing (in fact, like you).
                    Here Saladin and Richard almost a thousand years ago found out whose land it was. Yes, and like the Arabs are your closest relatives (well, it’s understandable, why the hell is that kindred). But what is there. i.e.
                    If you take a closer look, then the Jews are the coolest anti-Semites (paradox but fact).
                  6. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 19: 30 New
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                    No, the coolest anti-Semites are Arabs. More Semites die in any intra-Arab mess than in all Arab-Israeli wars in 70 years
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          For the sake of curiosity, enlighten, and where did the Phoenicians live? The Philistines?
        3. Zeev Zeev 5 March 2020 19: 52 New
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          The Phoenicians are Knaanites (they have such a name) who fled from Knaan to the coast. Type, Sidon, Gebal ... By the way, the Jews had a very good relationship with them.
          And the Philistines, the invaders from southern Europe (the name "plishtim" means "intruders"), lived in city states south of the Phoenicians, but also either on the coast or near the sea - Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ghat, Ekron.
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          And thank you
  • Mwg
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    The theme with pies has discredited itself on the Maidan. Change old technologies, they no longer work.
  • kalibr 4 March 2020 21: 34 New
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    Quote: neri73-r
    you here do not hold us for suckers

    How can you not keep a sucker when you have Biron the historian and serves the Vatican. only suckers can write this!
  • Barmaleyka 4 March 2020 09: 48 New
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    since publishers simply twisted their fingers at the temple, reading his opuses

    well, for the sake of his book, a total circulation of over 10 million was published
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      Quote: Tlauicol
      since publishers simply twisted their fingers at the temple, reading his opuses

      well, for the sake of his book, a total circulation of over 10 million was published

      Himself. None of the publishers wanted to plunge into this shit
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        Quote: Tlauicol

        Himself. None of the publishers wanted to plunge into this shit

        as I understand it, you don’t have any idea about publishing

        you really think that you can publish a circulation of 10 lyam just like that, if you printed it means books were bought
        1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 11: 27 New
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          list publishers and everything will be clear to you, minuser
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            Yes, what difference can you believe those publishers who have refused for a long time have nibbled all their elbows, because you can only dream of circulations in lyam and more, and when the series goes off the roof for a dozen lyam it says something, they BUY THEM
            1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 11: 57 New
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              fools buy a lot of things, like Marvel or Herbalife comics. But how does this prove the truth of this false scientist?
              it was not published even by the yellow agencies, which didn’t value their reputation very much
              1. Barmaleyka 4 March 2020 15: 18 New
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                Where did I prove that he was right ?!
                Quote: Tlauicol
                it was not published even by the yellow agencies, which didn’t value their reputation very much

                Well, well, yes, and which ones did not print?
              2. Mwg
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                Gee - gee. Yellow agencies, as well as white and other gray ones, will not print what they will be deprived of publishing licenses for in the regional committee. They are not fools)))))))))))
      2. Mwg
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        Traditional publishers some topics traditional shit
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    According to his books, it is possible to cultivate the patriotism of our Westphile youth,
    And DUAA is often the one who simply does not know the truth.
    A man spent SEVEN years traveling and archaeological site.
    And an IMPORTANT fact - why is archeology, especially today, so classified?
    1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 11: 31 New
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      is archeology classified? belay by whom ? The Vatican? Romanovs?
      this fact, too, "men told you"?
      1. Mwg
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        Archeology is classified as the same, which quite reasonable questions are thrown down by minuses. The question is reasonable, and the reaction to it is inadequate. If there is impartiality in the approach to the question posed, there will be a motivated answer; if there are anxious conditions and a desire to chat the topic, there will be a minus and a strained sarcasm and ridicule. Ergo: for you and your like-minded people, here the topic of the history of Rus is a painful topic.
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          The two minuses obtained are brilliant proof of the truth of the statements expressed in the commentary. The instincts of minusers work faster than the brain)))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. Sunstorm 5 March 2020 18: 22 New
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            Quote: MVG
            The instincts of minusers work faster than the brain)))))))))))))))))))))))
            You should see a doctor. The discussion is reduced to the calculation of the minuses and pluses ... Do you know what they are for? I see that you wouldn’t have to be checked by a doctor (do not look for classified doctors .. go to a therapist first (
            1. Mwg
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              An answer worthy of my ex-wife: I didn’t see the pros and cons, poor thing, and cried out "sick, sick! Go to the doctor!" But you are not her, she was not called Sasha. I know where you got it from: Muladhara became isolated in infancy and the right hemisphere began to dominate the left. Hormonal balance like, not naughty? To men does not pull?
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                Quote: MVG
                The two minuses obtained are brilliant proof of the truth of the statements expressed in the commentary. The instincts of minusers work faster than the brain)))))))))))))))))))))))
                And where do you have that besides the minuses and pluses?) Oh yes I see)
                Quote: MVG
                Hormonal balance like, not naughty? To men does not pull?

                Will you call your brother?)
                1. Mwg
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                  Ek dreamed ...
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                    Quote: MVG
                    Ek dreamed ...

                    everyone judges to the best of his licentiousness.
                  2. Mwg
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                    And he dreams too)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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                    I already suggested you to the doctor?) I see no reason to repeat the sentence) do not delay) health is a very important thing)
  • kalibr 4 March 2020 11: 58 New
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    Quote: knn54
    why is archeology, especially today, so classified?

    Is she classified? Do you have an idea about the journal Archeology of the Russian Federation? What about Archeology today? 18 volumes of the series Archeology of the USSR is publicly available. Here is secrecy so secrecy ...
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      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: knn54
      why is archeology, especially today, so classified?

      Is she classified? Do you have an idea about the journal Archeology of the Russian Federation? What about Archeology today? 18 volumes of the series Archeology of the USSR is publicly available. Here is secrecy so secrecy ...

      and if you tell him that the Vatican library is also open? or is it better dosed?
      1. Mwg
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        When I was at school, our girl was a year younger, her classmates called for the fact that she climbed without a soap and constantly knocked on everyone.
        1. Mwg
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          Ah, moderator, moderator .... I threw the word out of the song ...
        2. tlauicol 5 March 2020 13: 27 New
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          Baby, did someone offend you? Well, inform the moderator. I don’t get used to it, I had 8 warnings. Decent people here do not knock, but people like you at the local authorities are held in high esteem
          1. Mwg
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            Kid)))) I have a question for you: what reasons did you choose for yourself? Recollections of a past life or not realized plans?
            By the way, the constant appeal to a third party with commenting on his interlocutor is a classic sign of fawning in front of that person. According to the Internet, the follower is called, and according to the common people in the easiest form - a sneak.
            1. tlauicol 5 March 2020 16: 07 New
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              I thought for a long time: not to answer, because they will banned me again, and there is no more “ignore” on the site. follower is a reader by the way

              well, in general: you went to ..y, dolboslav!
              1. Mwg
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                Oh no no no. “I don’t get used to it, I had 8 warnings” “I thought for a long time: do not answer, after all they’ll banned me” - rag eagle, however))))))))))))))))))))

                Follower (from the English follower; synonyms: reader, follower, subscriber) - on Twitter-slang this word refers to a user who has subscribed to account updates on Twitter. In the literal sense, the word “Follow” is translated as “Follow”.
                http://wikireality.ru/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80

                Yes, and tightly uneducated. Although the royal blood)))))))))))))))))))))))))
                Go monster
    2. Mwg
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      And who edits and publishes? Who decides what to print and what to hold on to? Announce name, pliz
      1. kalibr 5 March 2020 09: 25 New
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        You type the name of the magazine in a search engine. There is a list of the editorial board ... And who publishes. As in VO ... But this is a scientific publication, not everyone can do it. Not Petukhov and not Samsonov, of course.
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          Yeah, scored. I went to the publication’s website, went to the "about us" section, looked at the legal entity and their participants, and, my God, there are no Ivanovs, Petrovs and Sidorovs. Based on your answer, it should be understood that they decide what to print and what to hold on to? Or will you seriously argue that decisions are made by employees?
          1. kalibr 5 March 2020 10: 27 New
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            I think that it is not the Ivanovs and Petrovs who are important, but the professionalism and scientific authority of those who make the decision.
            1. Mwg
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              And I am convinced that some socially very active citizens receive instructions from a single center. And the board is from there. And you need to work out the money in social networks as well.
              And I will make you a scientific authority with the click of my fingers out of the same "tlauikol" and, for example. I can argue. All the costs of creating credibility with you
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                Quote: MVG
                very active citizens receive instructions from a single center.

                So the FSB is working very poorly with us.
                Quote: MVG
                All the costs of creating credibility with you

                Why's that? In addition, how do you post articles and monographs in the E-lab that really aren't there? Do you even know what it is? Or the hirsch index? You can’t do it "tlauikolu" in any way.
                1. Mwg
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                  No, I don’t know. I know people who know. The plan is this: hire slaves — they will write work for him; we will agree with the scientific council; make a couple of dozen publications on the coverage of the work of the recipient; arrange it in a couple of public organizations as an expert; we’ll hire slaves — they will write books to him — five or six pieces, well, someone needs to communize the topic for the dissertation, but the dean will decide; then we’ll find an academician by profile, ask for help. Well, actually, that's all. Give me money? We will do authority.
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                  Pancake. I forgot the most important thing: we will post information about our recipient on Wikipedia (cherry on cake)
                  And there is a high rating Hirsch just around the corner, only in Britain will need to go a couple of times
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                  Quote: MVG
                  No, I don’t know. I know people who know. The plan is this: hire slaves — they will write work for him; we will agree with the scientific council; make a couple of dozen publications on the coverage of the work of the recipient; arrange it in a couple of public organizations as an expert; we’ll hire slaves — they will write books to him — five or six pieces, well, someone needs to communize the topic for the dissertation, but the dean will decide; then we’ll find an academician by profile, ask for help. Well, actually, that's all. Give me money? We will do authority.

                  And you know how much it will cost? An article in Scopus 1000 bucks minimum, but you need a lot of them. And for what is all this, why? As for the money, they usually give it to me. I do not give to anyone!
                4. Mwg
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                  “As for the money, it’s usually given to me. I don’t give it to anyone!” - I share your life position from a capital letter to an exclamation mark! )))))))))))
                  "And you know how much it will cost?" - Of course I know, with an accuracy of + \ - 15%. While writing a comment, mathematics was formed automatically. Even food expenses were calculated))))))
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                  Quote: MVG
                  Even food expenses are calculated

                  Then it's a bluff! Just for food expenses are different for everyone.
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                  Well, I have them the same)))
      2. Mwg
        Mwg 5 March 2020 11: 45 New
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        The FSB works well with us. As they like to say there: if we have not yet come to you, this is not your merit, but our shortcoming. But if they answered, then they will definitely come. But a little later.
  • bandabas 4 March 2020 14: 58 New
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    Let's move on to teaching at school. Does it suit you? am
    1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 15: 10 New
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      Quote: bandabas
      Let's move on to teaching at school. Does it suit you? am

      no. more and more fools.
      but at least they don’t teach a forbidden liter - and that’s bread
      1. Mwg
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        For whom is the bread?
  • Uran53 4 March 2020 18: 49 New
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    It is known that the Etruscans lived at the founding site of the Roman Empire, and Venice stands on Siberian larch, and the name is consonant with the Slavic people - the Wends. Many geographical names in Europe are Slavic. So the official story doesn’t tell much
    1. kalibr 4 March 2020 21: 38 New
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      Quote: Uran53
      Etruscans lived

      And who told you that this is their self-name and they have the Slavic haplogroup Ra1? Type in a search engine: here were my articles on the history of the Etruscans ... read.
      1. dali 5 March 2020 01: 46 New
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        What kind of haplogroup? PA1 ... are you by any chance a fan of Ra the Egyptian sun god? laughing
      2. dali 5 March 2020 01: 50 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Type in a search engine: here were my articles on the history of the Etruscans ... read.

        Wow ... ischo one light in the dark !!! laughing laughing laughing
        Those. Do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in the field of genetic research on the origin of nations than Prof. Kolesov?
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          Quote: Dali
          Those. Do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in the field of genetic research on the origin of nations than Prof. Kolesov?

          God and this "star" was remembered here ..... with a capital Z ..... All the same, not the religion of opium for the people, but pride.
  • Jarserge 5 March 2020 08: 55 New
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    Looking at modern historians, at the state of the so-called “historical science”, it’s better to read Bushkov, although he honestly shows his thoughts, facts and documents from where he got it. Yes, and do not hesitate to admit mistakes. And the “real historians” consider it in the order of things to adapt documents for their theory by forging them. And then with frenzied stupidity to prove their "ideas" and only admit that they were wrong and never.
  • Campanella 5 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    Stop hysteria! There are no arguments, but Ekhov’s pathos are full of pants.
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    the linguistic core of the praetnos of the Indo-Europeans (Aryans) consisted of the direct direct ancestors of the Slavs-Russians

    And how to understand this phrase?
    The language consisted of Slavs Russ?
  • Sergey79 6 March 2020 14: 04 New
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    And now at school the history of ancient Greece is taught according to myths ... Is this serious in your opinion? Our official story, as in that joke, is both illogical and illegal ...
  • Krasnoyarsk 7 March 2020 10: 54 New
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    An ordinary schizophrenic who publishes himself

    Have you read anything from Petukhov’s works? I am sure that - no.
    Directly classical - did not read, but I condemn.
    But overpower yourself, read it - "The roads of the gods." Petukhov spent more than 20 years of his life on this work. And all that he wrote in it, he did not take from the ceiling.
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    Well, there they teach German folk and nothing;)
  • Arlen 4 March 2020 06: 50 New
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    It is a pity that such material is not taught in schools. I read one of Petukhov’s books, the author sets out well.

    Are you serious?
    Petukhov is not a historian and has never been. He is just a science fiction writer, a writer in the folk history genre. What kind of teaching his nonsense at school can we talk about if some of his works are recognized as extremist.
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        It is enough to look at the last picture with the tree of peoples to determine that the author today is not in himself. Looks like spring aggravation in Durkee.
        It turns out ALL nations descended from the Proto-Slavs ...?! And how then is the author different from a certain ukrohistorik baby with his protoucra?

        So I, having seen the title and the picture, immediately went down the article and realized that I was not mistaken with the author. And then there’s such a tree, the masterpiece is simple! And where did the Mongols, Ainu, Chukchi, Evenki, American Indians, etc. are they not ours? Well, of course we won’t take African-Americans into our family.
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Just look at the last picture with the tree of peoples.

        I looked at the picture very carefully ... There were no places for the East Slavic people of Ruthenians ... Raseno-Slavs are cool !!!
    2. Basil50 4 March 2020 08: 26 New
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      Somehow does not fit.
      In Europe today they themselves culturally derive * directly from the ancient Greeks * that the Roman Empire is what all subsequent ones, while historians KNOW that PELASGI - the very ones that created Hellas and the culture of ancient Greece came to the Peloponessian Peninsula from the upper Don River, from about those places where today the city of VORONEZH. PELASGI brought with them writing and much more, including signs (hooks) that allowed you to record music.
      By the way, we see how * rethink * history in Europe, sometimes it is anecdotal as in Ukraine, but some are already mentioned in academic works as something unshakable.
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        How Pelasgians could create Greek culture if their language is still not decrypted, and most likely will not be deciphered, like Etruscan
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      From the article "On the Roads of the Gods," I'm just in complete "frenzy." How can this be printed, also refer to the science fiction Petukhov. Most of all it kills that some people are conducting such articles and in all seriousness prove that it was so.
      Why Russians Crossed Out From Ancient History

      No one has deleted Russian from history. We Russians appeared as a result of the unification of two East Slavic states, the Ants with the capital in Kiev and the Ilmen Slavs with the capital Veliky Novgorod. From this moment, from the moment of unification of the two Slavic states, the history of our state and the Russian people began.
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        Quote: Sergey Olegovich
        No one has deleted Russian from history. We Russians appeared as a result of the unification of two East Slavic states, the Ants with the capital in Kiev and the Ilmen Slavs with the capital Veliky Novgorod. From this moment, from the moment of unification of the two Slavic states, the history of our state and the Russian people began.

        And this version of the story, what science fiction wrote? Did the Germans rewrite under the leadership of the Romanovs or after the adoption of Christianity to please Rome?
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          And this version of the story, what science fiction wrote?

          Do you only prefer science fiction to read? This version was not written by science fiction writers, but by learned historians. Want to believe in myths created in the imagination of the Roosters, Chudinovs and other Fomenko, believe. I will continue to read and study the learned historians of the past and the present, including Lomonosov, Klyuchevsky, Rybakov and other learned historians, and not science fiction writers.
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            among which Lomonosov

            Here in more detail, how did he fight with historians from the Romanovs, and where is his work ??? Huh?
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              Everything is normal with his labors. He fought with the dominance of the Germans in academic circles, and not with the fact that you somewhere read about it from someone.
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                Everything is normal with his labors. He fought with the dominance of the Germans in academic circles, and not with the fact that you somewhere read about it from someone.

                Well, well, where are the sources from the monasteries, where are his genuine works ??? everything that is, everything dates back no later than 300 years, that is, from the moment of the accession of the Romanovs. Alas. History is rewritten to please the ruling dynasty and the Christian church. The reasons are clear.
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                  Quote: neri73-r
                  everything that is, everything dates back no later than 300 years, that is, from the moment of the accession of the Romanovs.

                  Who told you that? The earliest annals date back to the late 13th century.
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                    Question to the minuser: and then what age do they date from? Enlighten me and everyone else at the same time?
                    1. Sunstorm 5 March 2020 18: 29 New
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                      so there the man clearly indicated ... "300 years of the Romanovs" (sarcasm)
          2. Tamparu 4 March 2020 17: 38 New
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            I will continue to read and study the learned historians of the past and the present, including Lomonosov, Klyuchevsky, Rybakov and other learned historians, and not science fiction writers.

            The story from Lomonosov, Klyuchevsky is fine, if you study in the original. But there are deep doubts about this. Our whole story is drawn by the Germans and called "ISTORYA" !!!!! Do you like the Germans, how do they interpret our chronicle? Me not. And every sane person must, must, question what these miraculous historians have piled !!!!
            Yours faithfully, hi
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              Our whole story is drawn by the Germans

              So Lomonosov reproached them for the fact that they did not know the Russian language. They don’t know, but ... and rewrote the annals and made history. Some kind of impossible task for a handful of scientists. Or did all of Germany work for them? So it was not her, Germany then ...
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                [quoteThere was not her, Germany then ...] [/ quote]
                I agree.
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            Read the "court" Karamzin and you will be happy. I believe more, for example, Lomonosov.
            Or Mauro Orbini, or rather those 500 (almost) sources that the Vatican laid hands on.
            And you have not read Murad Aji's “Wormwood of the Polovtsian Field.” Where did modern Ukrainian “historians” go before him?
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          Did the Germans rewrite under the leadership of the Romanovs or after the adoption of Christianity to please Rome?

          Did the Germans who did not know well even the then Russian language rewrote the annals in Old Slavonic? All hundreds of volumes? From a variety of monasteries? Are you drunk or write this foolishly? Good - rewrote. Give then at least one passage from any annals (by the way, there are many of them!), Which would clearly contain the diminution of our history and the humiliation of the people of Russia. That is - clearly evidence of "substitution of the thesis." At least one ...
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            Did the Germans who did not know well even the then Russian language rewrote the annals in Old Slavonic? All hundreds of volumes? From a variety of monasteries? Are you drunk or write this foolishly? Good - rewrote.

            I’m sober, where did you get this from? I didn’t write this! I said they rewrote history, not chronicles, but they seized chronicles and other sources from everywhere and destroyed, some were taken out and hidden in places like the Vatican and others. I, like, am a normal person, and, following formal logic, I can’t understand how (according to official science) did Russians jump out of the marshes in the 9th century and occupy 1/6 of the land over several centuries? Ahh, I forgot, it was the Normans who taught us ....., but for some reason, the Normans themselves did not capture the entire globe wassat
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              it's from the swamps in the 9th century the Russians jumped out

              Above you, "Sergey Olegovich" wrote, Russia and the Russian people were formed by combining two Slavic states. What is not clear here?
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                Russia and the Russian people formed by the union of two Slavic states

                Very interesting. What kind of states?
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                  Read the comment of Sergey Olenovich, he wrote which states.
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                    And can he be trusted? For you, he is an indisputable authority who can be trusted? Does he have information that can be trusted? The presence of the originals, the source of this information?
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                      Oh how ... Believe in yours can only be a science fiction writer?
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                      Of course, there is no need to believe science fiction writers. But, but !!! Bullshit, which in our history is already "over the edge", too, can not be trusted !!! I understand that we will never know the whole truth, but by indirect "evidence", "information", you can try to put the puzzle together and figure out what really happened. The main thing is to maintain impartiality in this matter, so to speak, we must rise above the situation and look at it with a “non-clouded” look, as Comrade Sharapov said.
                      Sincerely, hi
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                      The main thing is to maintain impartiality in this matter, so to speak, we must rise above the situation and look at it with a “non-clouded” look, as Comrade Sharapov said.

                      You forgot to call ignorance. This is the most important argument in such cases!
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          Ahh, I forgot, it was the Normans who taught us ....., but for some reason, the Normans themselves did not capture the entire globe

          And where it is written - show that they have taught us something. Where, in what annals is it written?
          1. neri73-r 4 March 2020 12: 03 New
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            Many historians identify the Varangians with the Normans (see Norman theory).
            Wikis and history books help you.
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          I said they rewrote history, not chronicles, but they seized chronicles and other sources from everywhere and destroyed, some were taken out and hidden in places like the Vatican and others.

          Where do we get them from then, if they destroyed everything? You contradict yourself. Because our story is precisely based on surviving chronicles. Quotes them. And in order to rewrite it, it was necessary to first change the annals. Explain available?
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            What do we have, two or three fakes of unknown origin?
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              What do we have, two or three fakes of unknown origin?

              How do you write wiki there to help, huh? Take a look at the lists of Russian annals and see how many there really are. The belly button will loose count. And most importantly, many are written with the use of dialectisms, unknown to any Germans. You need to know the topic, dear, and not to write any nonsense taken from the ceiling!
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              lope-lope?) 2-3?)))) immediately seen knowing!)
          2. Tamparu 4 March 2020 17: 46 New
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            Because our story is precisely based on surviving chronicles.

            Yes, we do not have chronicles from the word, in general !!!! "The Tale of Bygone Years" was written, rewritten many times, as if from the children's cartoon "Vacations in Prostokvashino" ... Everyone drew a lot of fun !!! About 10 years ago on the Internet you could find the "Tale of the Volga Bulgars", but suddenly it disappeared somewhere, it is no longer there ... There was something to see ...
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              Yes, we do not have chronicles from the word, in general !!!!

              Oh really? Do you know the discovery? And other chronicles of Lavrentievskaya, Ipatievskaya, Novgorod ... there are none too, right? Do you know that there are hundreds of them? The publication has been going on since 1829, and so far everything that has been printed has not been able to, so great is the volume. Look again at what PSRL is ...
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          Quote: neri73-r
          they rewrote history, not chronicles, but they seized chronicles and other sources from everywhere and destroyed

          Where did you get such information, from what sources? Thus, a little more and it turns out that we are the Black Sea towards the proto-digging)))
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            Quote: Sergey Olegovich
            Where did you get such information, from what sources? Thus, a little more and it turns out that we are the Black Sea towards the proto-digging)))

            No, you too, my ancestors didn’t dig, but suddenly they didn’t jump out of the swamps and holes and didn’t get off the Christmas trees in the 9th century. And they did not run to the Vikings for guidance.
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              but did your gurus run after the leadership in the United States since the time of the writing of the Veles book - or is this not known to you?
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                Atoms for guidance your gurus have been running to the USA since the time of the writing of the Veles book - or is this not known to you?

                Sources of information in the studio !!!
                Well - you didn’t mix anything up, at the 90s your ran to bow to the amers ...

                shl
                and this person (tlauikol) dares to call himself Ivan ...
  • Gardamir 4 March 2020 09: 10 New
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    After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, all who say that the Soviet Union was good will be recognized as extremists.
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      After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, all who say that the Soviet Union was good will be recognized as extremists.

      This is a very important commentary on the article about the Slavs and Arians. repeat
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      After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, all who say that the Soviet Union was good will be recognized as extremists.

      About 10 years ago such an action was considered. But before acting we conducted a competent opinion poll and found out that since 1991 in Russia the number of people who have a negative attitude towards the communist idea has not increased. Moreover, the number of white and red is not much different among businessmen, workers, lumpen, pensioners or youth. This reform has been canceled in Russia. So I’ll suppose that while Putin, at the head of the country, will not do anything contrary to the majority’s opinion.
  • NordUral 4 March 2020 11: 18 New
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    What kind of teaching his nonsense at school can we talk about if some of his works are recognized as extremist.


    Arlen , what works and, most importantly, by whom are recognized?
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      On February 5, 2007, the Perovskiy court of Moscow applied the norms of the Federal Law of July 25, 2002 No. 114-ФЗ “On Counteracting Extremist Activities” in relation to Petukhov’s books. The books “The Fourth World” and “Genocide” are recognized as extremist.
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        I downloaded, ran diagonally. It is clear why they are recognized as extremist. But all is true, with some exaggeration, Arlene.
        In my spare time I read all of Petukhov, and then I will answer all his critics.
  • Mwg
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    Is Nikolai Svanidze a historian?
  • Pavel Amarok 12 March 2020 11: 31 New
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    Not only does the specified writer have nothing to do with history, he also differs by the extremely illiterate writing of his opuses, grievous, for perception. I read some works, hardly read it.
  • kalibr 4 March 2020 08: 12 New
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    Is the result of the presentation or its process important to you? Does anyone have a hanging tongue. By the way, about rich archaeological material ... There is a multivolume ARCHEOLOGY of the USSR. You at least look at it, and only then ... you can write that he is “rich” in Petukhov. Where from? From a camel?
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      Is the result of the presentation or its process important to you? You never know who has a suspended language.

      Golden words!
  • astepanov 4 March 2020 10: 13 New
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    It is a pity that such material is not taught in schools

    What are you, just such and teach. The current student believes that Lenin is a member of the Beatles group, confuses the First World War with the Second World War, that Lermontov shot Pushkin in a duel, etc.
    Ah, how it smelled of a rotten wave, which was raised two decades ago by Fomenko and Nosovsky! Not without reason this mythmaker received the nickname Thomas the Crown Man. The roots of these phenomena are clear: this is patriotism, but you can’t bring everything to the point of absurdity and insanity. Some have already agreed to the fact that the unfortunate Neanderthals squeezed out by the Cro-Magnons are the ancestors of the Slavs, intricately mixed with newcomers to the Africans and taught them to drive away their brooms and weave bast shoes. At the same time, our supposedly direct ancestors ennobled the blood of aliens and brightened their skin.
    By the way, according to Fomenko, the Russian Cossacks built the pyramids and the Great Wall of China, discovered America, etc.
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      By the way, according to Fomenko, the Russian Cossacks built the pyramids and the Great Wall of China, discovered America, etc.

      By the way, what is Fomenko \ Petukhov and others - different from "protoukra"?)
  • iouris 4 March 2020 14: 16 New
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    One of the books by Petukhov

    Even Bush Jr. read as many as two books.
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    It is a pity that such material is not taught in schools. I read one of Petukhov’s books, the author sets out well.


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  • boriz 5 March 2020 13: 23 New
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    And thank God that they don’t teach. And it’s not in Petukhov, even. Site editors should be ashamed of publishing such materials.
    Over the past 15 years, data from a new science - DNA genealogy - have become widely available. And to publish materials on the history of peoples without relying on its widely known data is simply not professional.
    All that has happened over the past 4900 years is a tough confrontation between peoples (with their characteristic mentality) of the haplogroups R1a (Aryans) and those who joined them, and R1b (as they are called in the genealogy DNA - erbin).
    And then there would be no such nonsense on the scheme as the origin of the Western Europeans (British, Spaniards, French, etc.), for these are Erbins, our centuries-old enemies.
    But the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, and Levite Jews would appear on the scheme. Kirghiz and Jewish Levites have haplogroup R1a from 60% of men, more than the average for Russia.
    And on a similar scheme of Erbins would be the population of Cameroon. Yes, they look like natural blacks, but here you are, up to 95% of men with haplogroup R1b. This, when leaving Egypt (Tutankhamun - R1b), when all the Erbins went east and north (Europe), one part went southwest, reached the ocean, and there it remained to wait until their genetic relatives chased them into slavery to America.
    So the reality is much more interesting than imagined.
    And the scheme given in the post can be accepted as a scheme of the origin of Aryan (basically) languages. And this is not at all the same as the origin of the peoples.
  • Talgarets 4 March 2020 05: 05 New
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    Only Petukhov D.Yu. not a historian. He is a science fiction writer, a publicist, but not a historian. His works are very national-patriotic, but not based on scientific facts, but on the author’s Wishlist.
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      Like all historians without exception. More or less approach the truth can only be independently studying historical documents, artifacts, monuments. Each historian sets out everything as he likes, or as ordered.
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      Only Petukhov D.Yu. not a historian.

      And who is the historian for you? So who, like a parrot, retells an official historical lie? And does this lie make academic titles and careers?
      Even in our time, we see the distortion of a very recent history. And the representatives of the "enlightened" West do it. Those who adhere to the official (false) history.
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        First of all, would you ask how many representatives of the West are among the folklorists and novochronolozhets and which publishers sponsor them, you are our enlightened
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          And whose representatives are rewriting recent Soviet history?
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            And whose representatives are rewriting recent Soviet history?

            ask Klesov - he worked there. In some publishing houses he received green. Or the authors of the Veles book. Yes, you, those who are not in the Chronolites, are entirely "our" people. And build patriots from yourself, although in reality either fools or Natsik
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              And build patriots from yourself, although in reality either fools or Natsik

              And you are like the smartest and enlightened pepper ... although in fact insulting people like that, you and people like you just are - fools and Western European, Jewish, etc. Natsik!

              You are also a pure liberalist working west with his wet dreams
  • 72jora72 4 March 2020 05: 14 New
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    I wouldn’t call Yury Petukhov a classic historian, but he’s got fantastic fiction, now I downloaded his series “Star Revenge” in audio format (I want to “read” it again). By the way Petukhov founder of a philosophical concept “Devil-humanity, or the Philosophy of Healing. Humanity as a cancerous tumor of the Earth and the Universe. Cure the disease. " smile Another not unimportant detail that reveals the worldview and character of Yuri Petukhov, he was a close friend of Alexander Prokhanov.
  • Uncle lee 4 March 2020 05: 15 New
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    Very interesting ! This is not the first publication.
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    dangerous heresy, Ukrainians have the same tales, and how they dug up the Black Sea and how Jesus was Ukrainian; but you laugh at them and this nonsense of norms? :)
    And why is it here? Maybe throw a "new chronology" from Fomenko? :)
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      dangerous heresy

      Dangerous heresy, consider your ancient ancestors barbarians. Which was introduced to civilization by the "enlightened" West.
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        enlightened west? :)

        My ancestors were great and they built an empire, and they do not need to be attributed to them the delusional fantasies of all the stupid rams there who did not come out of childhood and still come up with fairy tales.
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        Dangerous heresy, consider your ancient ancestors barbarians. Which was introduced to civilization by the "enlightened" West.

        Have you personally read books published in the same England on the history of the Slavs? Well, say, the book of the same D.Nikol? J. Heath, and others. U is true that no ... how what ... you write without knowing?
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          Have you personally read books published in the same England on the history of the Slavs? Well, say, the book of the same D.Nikol? J. Heath, and others. U is true that no ... how what ... you write without knowing?

          Like, they wrote the truth ... schazzzzz ... already believed ... a lot of things are written on the fence too.
  • Pessimist22 4 March 2020 05: 23 New
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    Clearly, we Aryans, well now we need about the purity of the race, continued.
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    Yes, have come. The Military Review publishes similar topics.
    Firstly, not the historian Petukhov, but a science-fiction writer, publicist. An unselfish fighter for "true knowledge", as he called himself.
    Secondly, his scientific fantasies were not recognized and published anywhere except his own publishing house.
    Thirdly, on July 20, 2006, on the initiative of the prosecutor’s office of the Central District of Volgograd, a group of psychologists, political scientists and linguists conducted a comprehensive study of Petukhov’s works, as a result of which the researchers concluded that the texts propagate ideas of inciting racial, national and religious hatred, a cult violence and cruelty, xenophobia.
    And in general there is the opinion of respected people, based not only on bare words, that all these Slavic topics about pagans and the like did not arise by chance, but very competent people came up with them in the CIA corridors, to bring discord into Russian society, to create motley, not in vain they with such direct fanatical fury attack the scientists and Orthodoxy, other nations.
    Before neopaganism there was a project of planting sects, which were also abundantly sponsored by the West. The project failed, and neopaganism took root better. By the way, everything that is promoted by the so-called pagans to historical paganism has nothing to do, everything was invented as a modern, urban person, with elements of debauchery, nature protection, well, everything is as it should be in the west.
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      Yes. Anastasievites, for example.
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      Oh poor Orthodox, they attack you, they don’t give life directly. But isn't it the other way around?
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    Does Military Review website want to lose subscribers? Or lure the audience of Speed ​​Info and RenTV? Why are you posting this?
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      The real VO ended many years ago. Now this is the most famous (well, not the most) in RuNet reservation of schizophrenics, half-breeds (not to be confused with patriots) and the main reserve of couch troops. Such a resource, where the majority (especially among the authors) not only has nothing to do with the army in a professional manner. But they didn’t even serve urgent.
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      Quote: Tlauicol
      Does Military Review website want to lose subscribers? Or lure the audience of Speed ​​Info and RenTV? Why are you posting this?

      Do not like do not read ...
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        Do not like do not read ... [/ quote]
        You cannot decline one word, but you also accuse the Germans of rewriting all the Old Slavonic manuscripts
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          You cannot decline one word, but you also accuse the Germans of rewriting all the Old Slavonic manuscripts

          Are you already drawing conclusions from one random mistake ?! belay
          And do not worry about declination; I can decline anything and anyone laughing certainly not for you to teach me ...
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    Already latent Russophobes have already run ... I will not venture to subscribe to every word of this article, but the fact that it is much more true than what is taught at school is a fact.
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      I don’t dare to subscribe to every word of this article,

      I do not recommend, I do not see the evidence base. And the others have already managed to dig out the sea ... request
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        You might think the official version is proven along and across
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          Quote: Creedco
          You might think the official version is proven along and across

          There are at least some sources there ... We will not judge the Vikings by Harry Harrison and his works such as "hammer and cross", although talentedly written. repeat
          And from your arguments there is only one minus and you can cite, but, you see, this is not a very serious argument. request laughing
          1. Cryvedco 4 March 2020 06: 43 New
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            The fact of the matter is that at least some that can be refuted without much knowledge. And minus is not mine.
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              Quote: Creedco
              And minus is not mine.

              Well, at least in this I was mistaken. Perhaps this is Samsonov. laughing
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              which can be refuted without much knowledge.

              The most captivating statement. And you still try to read, eh? Well, for starters, the archeology of the USSR. At that time, science was taken very seriously. It was a problem to buy jeans, but they did not spare money on excavations.
  • Andrey VOV 4 March 2020 06: 30 New
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    The fourth day of spring ... and even soon the full moon .. Samsonov ... we draw conclusions ourselves
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      Quote: Andrey VOV
      The fourth day of spring ... and even soon the full moon .. Samsonov ... we draw conclusions ourselves

      I myself am a little alienated from the article ... hi
    2. Pane Kohanku 4 March 2020 10: 47 New
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      Yes, and soon the full moon .. Samsonov ...

      think .... lycanthropy in the form of a canonical Slavic bear is possible? wink drinks
      By the way, Mr. Samsonov also used this picture ....
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        Come on lycanthropy - Norman theory - Ozhiganov of alien gods near the Rodnoveri draws, perun him Perun!
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          destroy him Perun!

          "Three thousand Peruns!" (Mikhail Boyarsky). laughing drinks
          I propose to send the author next year to Eurovision. It can be compared with Little Big with the plots, but it will convey the theory of superethnos to Europe. Solid pluses, and the whole European Union is on our knees! fellow how do you like my cunning plan? drinks
  • Tank hard 4 March 2020 06: 34 New
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    I read more or less interesting information about Russes only from Lev Gumilyov, but he was a famous scientist, wrote justifying. And more than that, no intelligible information other than official information has been met, and fiction is different - yes, they write a lot. wink
  • Alex 1970 4 March 2020 06: 51 New
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    Yeah ..., the neighbors also started from a similar one, how many Maidan there were already? Although there they are not the first. Such theories do not end with anything good. Then, in a multinational country and with a bunch of mixed marriages, we will only have to find out the purity of blood. stop
  • Tank hard 4 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    Historian Yu. D. Petukhov unraveled the mystery of the millennium; materials of mythoanalysis, linguistics, toponymy, onomastics, anthropology and archeology clearly show that the original Slavic Indo-Europeans were Aryans

    This "historian"? belay
    [media=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%83%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%AE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87]
  • Ivan7527 4 March 2020 07: 23 New
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    The article is certainly not a thematic one and it was published in vain here, but I am surprised by the characters who, with foam at their mouths, shout "this cannot be the loudest" and start to vilify everyone. Previously, the countries of Tartaria were not yelling. Although 50-year-old men at work say that in Soviet history textbooks, maps of the territory of the "Russian Empire" with the name of the country of Tartaria were given. And to the student’s simple question what kind of country is this, the teachers answered “Was there such a country” and that’s the whole description. Read Marco Polo's "Journey to Tartaria" be amazed at the pictures and descriptions of Chinese or Chukchi tartate, Asians there does not smell. Or a book forbidden by the Vatican Marco Orbini "Slavic kingdom." There are more questions than answers on this topic.
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      Quote: Ivan7527
      The article is certainly not a thematic one and it was published in vain here, but I am surprised by the characters who scream "it can't be" with the loudest foam at the mouth and start to vilify everyone

      So, such articles with evidence must be written, and the reference to Yu. D. Petukhov is somewhat comical in my opinion. request
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        So, such articles with evidence must be written, and the reference to Yu. D. Petukhov is somewhat comical in my opinion.

        With what evidence and how do you check it, how can you verify the evidence of opponents of this article? These are not the laws of physicists and mathematics ... although some things still come to pass when they begin to compare dates and apply the laws of astronomy and astronomical events to analyze the reliability of the same dates ...
        And then all sorts of local calibers go to the forest ...
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          With what evidence and how do you check it, how can you verify the evidence of opponents of this article?

          On the fingers it looks something like this ... Find some object (inscription, event, etc.). They are looking for sources of the period (or close) where it is mentioned, preferably different, i.e., if this happened in Russia of a certain period, the information of the sources of this country and others, for example Byzantium, the Bulgarian kingdom, Arab merchants of that period and the like, is studied. It is advisable that this found be mentioned in any sources of other states. Regarding Samsonov’s article, the reference goes to a science fiction writer with works of dubious content and quality, not even a historian by profession, that is, an amateur storyteller. And you propose to take it on faith ?! There must be elementary logic, finally ... request
    2. Zeev Zeev 4 March 2020 07: 38 New
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      Can I link to a Soviet textbook with maps? Fortunately, there are scans of all Soviet textbooks on the Internet. And also on the book "Journey to Tartaria" and "Slavic Kingdom"
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Can I link to a Soviet textbook with maps?

        It’s just as curious, I’m 46 years old, my deceased grandmother worked all her life as a teacher at school, but she didn’t tell about such moments, and I don’t remember that. Although it should, if 50-year-old men told ... repeat
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        Can I link to a Soviet textbook with maps? Fortunately, there are scans of all Soviet textbooks on the Internet. And also on the book "Journey to Tartaria" and "Slavic Kingdom"

        They gave you a link: the men told request what other evidence is needed?
      3. dali 5 March 2020 02: 39 New
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        And also on the book "Journey to Tartaria" and "Slavic Kingdom"

        "Slavic Kingdom" - there are pdf in two versions of the editions, different dates (translation from the Italian 2010 edition) and 1722 edition (nepony version, translation).
    3. mark2 4 March 2020 07: 44 New
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      50 year old men is certainly an argument. It can be easily checked by going to the library and browsing through such textbooks, especially since this is the 70s. I guess I also learned from them.
      If the book is prohibited by the Vatican, then how can it be read? You can not trust the translation, but there is no source. He is forbidden.
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      Although 50 year old men at work say that in Soviet history textbooks

      Well, as if they were lying, I'm from the same time as your men - WASN’T
  • Korax71 4 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    Oh, this Mr. Samsonov with his amazing stories wassat Well, if he offers to study history on the works of science fiction writers, then with the same success the books of the Warhammer 40k series can also be attributed to scientific literature lol
    1. Sunstorm 5 March 2020 18: 40 New
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      For the glory of the empire! =))
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        Ave Emperor lol drinks soldier
  • kalibr 4 March 2020 08: 10 New
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    Recommended literature for study: Petukhov Yu. D. Arias. The roads of the gods. M. 2003; Petukhov Yu. D. Antiquities of the Rus. M., 2007; Petukhov Yu. D. History of the Rus. The most ancient era. 40-3 thousand BC e. T. 1-2. M., 2007; Yu. D. Petukhov. Normans. Rus of the North. M, 2005; Yuri Petukhov. Rus of the Ancient East. M., 2007. Petukhov Yu. D. Super-evolution. Superethnos of the Rus. M., 2008; Vasilyeva N.I., Petukhov. Yu. D. Russian Scythia. M., 2006.
    Usually, in addition to the letter M (Moscow), it is customary to indicate the publisher. Because if it is a publishing house of the Russian Academy of Sciences, or Atlant, or Tsentrpoligraf ... then it’s worth reading, but if something else, it’s better to immediately put it in waste paper.
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      Wow, as many as six ignoramuses responded to a well-grounded remark: to put the TITLE OF THE PUBLISHING HOUSE. I don’t want to know something, huh? And why? It’s easier to live with myths. However, the word "monograph" also refers only to refereed publications, and not to popular science literature. You also need to know this, and only then use this "smart word". By the way, but to all these books by Petukhov who was the reviewer? That is what would be interesting to learn and to start, by the way, with a historiographical review, especially of such a complex topic!
  • zoland 4 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    It is a pity that Adolf Petukhov did not read, you look, and there would be no war.
  • EvilLion 4 March 2020 08: 15 New
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    Hello! Is it an ambulance? Urgent leave, a person with a bad head!
  • pylon101 4 March 2020 08: 20 New
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    The resettlement and migration of the haplogroups R1A and R1B is a well-studied topic.
    But do not go so far as to call everyone
    the pre-Slavs.
  • Ovrag 4 March 2020 08: 31 New
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    Historian. Without a monograph, publications and reviews. Without archival and material work with sources. Without systematic field work ... Village. And wrote.
    I am then the same historian. Yes, each of us is such a "historian."
    But in the comments you can immediately see the patients of the yellow house and those who did not go to school and who were not told what the scientific method of cognition is and what it is based on.
    And it was necessary to go to classes, and not beer in the paddy slurp. There would be no delirium about the theory of Darwin, etc. People do not even know that the scientific world has long gone far ahead from Darwin's theory. And they apparently still have the end of the 19th century outside the window.
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    Normal article))) The fact that the Roosters wrote for many years now through DNA is quite proved - we are the Russian Tatars and others are the descendants of the Aryans of the same))) Those who have R1a are those descendants))) and our ancestors HERE in today's Russia lived more 5000 years is exactly like))) Arias are farmers)) And the story of us that we got out of shit and savages who couldn’t wipe the dedicated priest without a WEST - were written by the eternal enemies of the Aryan farmers - nomadic gunas)) By the way, it’s not a good idea in WWI and called in the newspapers of the Russian - gunas))
  • Maks1995 4 March 2020 08: 43 New
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    Always change the word order and sublimely ennoble.
    Instead of "the ancestors of the Slavs were Indo-Europeans" in ".... the core of the praetnos of the Indo-Europeans ..... consisted of direct ancestors of the Slavs-Rus" ....

    And what are the prospects now !!!! we are no longer their descendants, but they are ours !!!!
  • kartalovkolya 4 March 2020 08: 46 New
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    Everyone screams in unison that the HISTORY of Russia-Russia began only from the 8th-10th centuries, and you did not forget who wrote our HISTORY. So let me remind you that the so-called "scholars" such as Miller, Schletzer and others like them, at the direction of which Old Russian chronicles were taken out of Russian monasteries and actually destroyed. I’ll also remind you how the muzzles of MV Lomonosov beat these false historians and whose works on the HISTORY of Russia-Russia were replaced after his death by the same Miller !!!
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      Quote: kartalovkolya
      So let me remind you that the so-called "scholars" such as Miller, Schletzer and others like them, at the direction of which Old Russian chronicles were taken out of Russian monasteries and actually destroyed. I’ll also remind you how the muzzles of MV Lomonosov beat these false historians and whose works on the HISTORY of Russia-Russia were replaced after his death by the same Miller !!!

      How do you know about this?
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        Quote: kalibr
        How do you know about this?

        Why don’t you know about this?
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          Quote: Dali
          Quote: kalibr
          How do you know about this?

          Why don’t you know about this?

          Answer a question with a question, you are our purebred
    2. kalibr 4 March 2020 12: 11 New
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      Ip Miller, Schletzer and others like them, at the direction of which Old Russian chronicles were taken from Russian monasteries and actually destroyed.

      What chronicles do we use then, and what is PSRL then? Do not enlighten ...
      1. Tamparu 4 March 2020 18: 14 New
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        What chronicles do we use then, and what is PSRL then? Do not enlighten ...

        Drawn annals we use ...
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          Quote: TampaRU
          Drawn annals we use ...

          And who drew them?
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            And who drew them?

            A very interesting question, which is difficult to give a simple answer. Of course, on the surface we see that there are clearly identified culprits, Germans, academics, who painted the "history of the Russian State", but ... !! In my subjective opinion, everything is much more complicated. The whole history of mankind has been distorted. Purpose? Who is the stakeholder? I think it will be difficult to find out, since the changes / rewriting of the story took place in several stages in a short period of time ....
            1. kalibr 4 March 2020 19: 07 New
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              Annuaki admonished - I understand! All the best, don’t be sick!
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                Well, for the Annunaki you have gone a little too far. Have a nice one you too!
  • Snusmumrik 4 March 2020 08: 59 New
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    Honestly, I have some allergies to the word "Aryans" and "Aryans". I do not want to be an Aryan. But this is mine, okay. As for the picture at the end of the article, each ethnic group can paint it in its own way. We place, for example, below the roots of the proto-Germanic-Boreal, then the German-Balto Slavs. Redraw the branch of the Eastern Slavs, and at the top we plant the German branch with the Germans at the head and op-pa! The Germans become the crown of creation - Aryans-Aryans. Actually, that was once done. So Tajiks with Kurds can, on the same rights, enroll in the founders of civilization.
  • Varyag71 4 March 2020 09: 08 New
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    Jews, but Russophobia as excited.
  • Gardamir 4 March 2020 09: 26 New
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    Funny the same people fight for the oligarchs, rejoice in the rewriting of the Constitution, they hate the Russians in Ukraine and Belarus. Oh, not Belarusians, but Lukashenko. And it is these same people who went to battle with the author. Only all their criticism of the author’s article is an insult to the author. The same notorious Svidomo, no arguments against, then the author *****.
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      Funny the same people fight for the oligarchs, rejoice in the rewriting of the Constitution, they hate the Russians in Ukraine and Belarus. Oh, not Belarusians, but Lukashenko. And it is these same people who went to battle with the author.

      To tears! good
  • Barmaleyka 4 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    Arias Rusy or not, let’s leave it to scientists, but the fact that Greek mythology is studied at school, and Slavic does not even mention this disgrace

    p / s / I give my head for clipping that ask people on the street who is Kaschei 99% will not answer
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      and Slavic does not even mention this disgrace

      Mentioned, no fantasy. Detail of the entire pantheon of gods. In the textbook on the history of Russia for 6-7 cells. Go to school, ask for textbooks and see ...
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        it is mentioned
        quote from a textbook
        In the view of our distant pagan ancestors, the world consisted of four parts - earth, sky with luminaries (stars), water? Washing the earth, and the underworld. The Slavs revered the goddess of fertility ("mother of the crop") Makosh. The sun personified the god Horse - a symbol of good and light, casting out darkness. Another name for the god of the sun and heavenly fire is Dazhbog. His father - Svarog - was revered as the god of heaven and heavenly fire. The ancestor of the Slavs was the god Rod. The god of the storm and the patron saint of warriors was Perun. Veles (Hair) - the bestial god was revered as the god of wealth. In ancient times, the word "cattle" had the meaning of "property", "money".

        is ALL the volume of myths of ancient Greece comparable ?!
        can you tell me without internet what is kaschei and where is the viburnum bridge?
        why are animals the first to enter a new home?
        How is nav different from what?
        but what is the kingdom of Hades, I think many will answer
        1. kalibr 4 March 2020 12: 29 New
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          is ALL the volume of myths of ancient Greece comparable ?!

          Do not compare! But Greek myths have a cultural, civilizational significance, and ours ... narrowly ethnic. Therefore, the first paid more attention, the second less. More attention in textbooks is always given to what is more important. We in the same school textbooks generally do not apply to the gods of many nations, including those who lived and live on the territory of the Russian Federation.
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            Quote: kalibr
            But Greek myths have a cultural, civilizational significance, and ours ... narrowly ethnic.

            But for us, what matters more? !!!!
            Quote: kalibr
            . Textbooks always focus more on what’s more important.

            once again for US for RUSSIAN what matters more? !!!
            the most interesting thing is that in our everyday life our pagan traditions are one hundred times more Slavic than the Scandinavian or ancient Greek, but for some reason they tell us about Argonauts or Hercules at school and don't consider it necessary about Makosh or Moran
            Quote: kalibr
            in the same school textbooks it does not apply to the gods of many nations

            for that is, literature lessons where the myths and legends of ancient Greece are.
            1. would 5 March 2020 11: 40 New
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              the most interesting thing is that in our everyday life our pagan traditions are one hundred times more Slavic than the Scandinavian or ancient Greek, but for some reason they tell us about Argonauts or Hercules at school and don't consider it necessary about Makosh or Moran


              Everything is very simple. Our pagan traditions did not reach us, at the time of their heyday, the Slavs did not have written language, and at the time of the decline within the framework of the Christianization of Russia, they destroyed everything they reached. Therefore, almost nothing is known about paganism in Russia, and very much that extends as "that very true paganism" is nothing but a remake.

              But Greek myths in schools are not told “for some reason”, but because they have come down to us in a variety of very good sources and there is something to tell about.
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                Everything is very simple. Our pagan traditions have not reached us

                why? !!!!
                a huge number of ceremonies from launching a cat to a new house to Shrovetide, 90% if not more than Orthodox holidays are pagan holidays, which is immortal, three-headed snake, etc.
                Quote: rait
                But Greek myths in schools are not told “for some reason”, but because they have come down to us in a variety of very good sources and there is something to tell about.

                you just need to store YOUR OWN, and not borrow an alien
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                  a huge number of ceremonies from launching a cat into a new house to Shrovetide, 90% if not more than Orthodox holidays


                  You need to start with the fact that cats in pre-Christian times in Russia were not massively (they were imported sporadically and were of great rarity), their remains are not found systematically in this period. So with the cat a remake, the peasant could not run the cat into the hut about the existence of which he did not know. Shrovetide is also absolutely officially remake. Of course, scientists believe that it goes back to some kind of pagan holiday, but again exactly what and how it happened (what ritual he had), again no one can say for sure.

                  The same goes for the rest. As I said, there are simply no sources. What Koschey the Immortal and Three-headed serpent? From which source with which dating did you get them?

                  Here I will quote Rybakov Boris Alexandrovich from his monograph "Paganism of Ancient Russia"

                  In relation to Kievan Rus, we must say that those topics that can be so fully represented in the proposed ethnographic volume for the era of Kievan Rus not documented or only fragmented. In many cases, you can use the retrospective method, but this method has one weak point - we do not always know at what chronological depth one should dwell in retrospection, where the exact scientific method ends and where the assumption begins.
                  A number of sections of the book “The Paganism of the Ancient Slavs”, in which the depth of memory of Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian peasants were revealed, are devoted to the search for these lines between the authentic and the alleged.
                  Identification of deep roots gives us the right to use the extrapolation method, that is, the extension to Kievan Rus of those beliefs and forms of worship that are documented both for an earlier time and for a later one.


                  you just need to store YOUR OWN, and not borrow an alien


                  With these words, you are late for more than 10 centuries.
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                    Quote: rait
                    So with a cat remake

                    the fact of the matter is that it did not induce it as a carnival before fasting and not at the equinox
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                  When did domestic cats appear in Russia?
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                    this just speaks of Ignorance of where the custom came from, initially it was a victim, and ANY animal could be launched, even though the mouse was taken away by a brownie
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                      ignorance!
                      mice themselves dragged into the house? what lost books can be read?
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                        I don’t cling, I’m typing into the blind, in what books can I read about Prince Igor?
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                        Blindly. Begin with the Primer. From the native language.
                        and do not answer the question with the question of how the chronic inhabitants. it is not in Russian
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Blindly.

                        walk in the forest
                        on the topic, excuse me, but all that I read I can not post on the forum
    2. Undecim 4 March 2020 13: 54 New
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      what is different from nav
      Nav - according to Slavic beliefs, people who died an unnatural death, people who did not receive tranquility after death.
      Reality is a mutilated recently traditional folk designation of realities.
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      what are you comparing with?) to you to throw off the scan of the paragraph about the gods of ancient Greece?))) where does the myths and text of the textbook have to do with it?)))
  • Victor Orthodox 4 March 2020 10: 02 New
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    Oh poor Orthodox, they attack you, they don’t give life directly. But isn't it the other way around?

    From you do not confuse, it is not necessary when we attack so it is holy, and when it is so on us and vice versa.
  • pru-pavel 4 March 2020 10: 15 New
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    there is an opinion that the Russians went from the Cherusque people, who were still mentioned by the Roman emperor Julius Caesar and the historian Tacitus, they really ranked them apparently wrongly among the Germans. Then, apparently, the Cherusks decided to remove the letter combination from the first three letters from the beginning of their name, and this is how we find the mention of Russians in the first century BC. Walk like a walk.
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      Quote: pru-pavel
      Then apparently cheruski decided to remove the letter combination from first three letters from the beginning of its name,
      How so-removed?

      Remained and "Russian" and ... three letters yes
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      it is believed that the Russians went from the Cherusque people, who were still mentioned by the Roman emperor Julius Caesar and the historian Tacitus

      You wanted to say "Etruscans", probably ..?
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        Etruscans are an isolated ethnos. Something like the Basque. Or Pelasgians in the Balkans. And Cheruski is a Germanic tribe that has at least a common Indo-European origin with the Slavs
  • Force multiplier 4 March 2020 11: 01 New
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    Again, the opposition of Russia to Europe under the sauce of supposedly patriotism.
    Who are the Indo-Europeans? This term, although it appeared earlier, began to be actively used only after the 2nd World War. The reasons are clear. This is a diluted, politically correct term, roughly like "African Americans." And the correct term is Indo-Germans. Russia is the East Germans. And naturally, the "ethnocultural and linguistic core" of the Indo-Germans consisted of the immediate ancestors of Russia. This is the same sensation and discovery as 2 + 2 = 4. But the imposition of a "Slavic", that is, slavish identity, this is Russophobia
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    Thank you ... Maybe He is not a historian, but a Techie. And I trust my brothers more than political informants.
    Graduated from MEIS, MIREA (1976), VK IIC (1984). He worked as a referent at the Research Institute of the Military-Industrial Complex (1974–83). Founder and Ch. editor of magazines "Adventures, science fiction" (since 1990), "History" (since 1994), publishing house "Metagalaxy

    ___ i.e. Master - academic degree, qualification (in some countries - a degree).
    I have no doubt. Before the heap, someone already noticed here that DNA studies had already been carried out (for example, by Klesov), which identified a certain root of the Russians in all nations (I exaggerate of course), but the geneological “trunk” of the Russians was proved. Here's another question - who erased Russian History with the gods and traditions, and why it was done.
    1. kalibr 4 March 2020 12: 15 New
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      who erased Russian History with gods and traditions, and why it was done.

      But it’s overwritten, right? There are no books, there are no books in textbooks, there is no Rybakov’s monograph “Paganism in Russia”, and there is no 18-volume USSR ARCHEOLOGY. Everything is jammed, right?
      1. tlauicol 4 March 2020 14: 58 New
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        Do you propose to start reading 18 volumes? Are you kidding me?
        no, the men said: wiped, - so wiped!
    2. kalibr 4 March 2020 12: 22 New
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      Master in Academic Degree

      A master is a beautiful word, but in reality it’s just ... a diploma about higher education in the USSR! Then we had a five-year plan. Then they did 4 years - college (bachelor - incomplete higher) and master (master - full higher). Call any university. They will explain it all to you again if my explanation is not enough. He does not have a scientific degree, so ... he is a historian, like from a ... bullet!
  • NordUral 4 March 2020 11: 20 New
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    An interesting thing is obtained by reading the comments. As soon as someone is behind Russia, immediately objections. And as against, so the orchestra played.
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      As soon as someone is behind Russia, immediately objections.

      And for which specifically? They were not alone, and they were at enmity mortally ... Or for the Slavs? For what? Drevlyan, glade ..? Or maybe for the Poles, Bulgarians, Czechs? The author here has Greek - Balto - Germanic Slavs, maybe there are also Afro - Slavs, but I do not know about such. We need evidence and not a reference to the science fiction writer. I am for common sense, and phantasmagoria and shows on TV are already so full ...
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      As soon as someone is for Russia,

      "Not for Russia", but against stupid!
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        Vyacheslav, not all the same lucky ones endowed with fate, like you. Everything is relative.
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          Vyacheslav, not all the same lucky ones endowed with fate, like you. Everything is relative.

          This caliber is generally a light in the flesh, not so long ago he enlightened, proved here at the Higher School of Sciences in more exact sciences ...
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 4 March 2020 11: 30 New
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    Even if this nonsense is recognized further for truth, then what? Does the whole world owe us? To experience admira