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Arsa-Artania - the ancient power of the Rus

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Secrets of ancient Rus. In the medieval eastern sources, one of the three centers of the Rus is repeatedly mentioned, along with Cuyaba (Kiev) and Slavia (Novgorod), the power of the Rus is Arsa-Arta-Artania. Attempts to determine its location have been made repeatedly. The search geography was broad, including all of Eastern Europe, and even reached Denmark. Most often, Arsu-Artania is placed in the lands of North-Eastern Russia.



Arsania on the map of Idrisi (in the leftmost circle). Black and Azov seas from above. Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/


Arsa-Artania in Arabic sources


The Arab geographer Abu Ishaq al-Istahri (10th century) noted (A.P. Novoseltsev. Eastern sources about the Eastern Slavs and Russia of the 6th – 9th centuries. - In the book: The Old Russian State and its International Importance. M., 1965.) :
“... Russ three groups. The group closest to Bulgar, and their king in a city called Kuyaba (it is believed that this is Kiev - the Author), and he is larger than Bulgar. And the group is the highest of them, called as-Slavia (Slovenian land - Auth.), And their king in the city of Salau (Slav, possibly the predecessor of Novgorod, Staraya Ladoga - the Author), and their group, called al-Arsaniya, and the king them sits in Ars, their city. And people with the commercial goals of Cuiaba and its environs reach. As for Arsa, I did not hear anyone mention the achievement of it by strangers, because the local people kill all the strangers who come to them. They themselves go down the water for trade and do not report anything about their affairs and goods, and do not allow anyone to follow themselves and enter their country. ... Black sables, black foxes and tin (lead?) And a certain number of slaves are also taken out of Arsa. ”


Baghdad geographer and traveler Ibn Haukal (X century) actually repeats the above: “As for Arsa, I did not hear anyone mention the achievement of it by strangers, because they (its inhabitants) kill all the strangers who come to them . “They themselves go down the water for trade and do not report anything about their affairs and their goods and do not allow anyone to follow themselves and enter their country.”

The 982 geographical treatise of the year by an unknown Persian-speaking author, Khudud Al-Alam, notes:
“Artab is a city where every stranger is killed and where very valuable blades for swords and swords are taken out, which can be doubled, but as soon as the arm is withdrawn, they take their previous shape.”


The Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrissi (XII century) writes:
“The city of Arsa is ugly on a fortified mountain and is located between Silak and Kukiyan, and as for Arsa, according to Sheikh al-Haukalgo, none of the foreigners enter there, because they kill every foreigner there. And they (the inhabitants of Arsa) do not allow anyone to enter their country for trade. The skins of black leopards and black foxes and tin are taken out from there. And the merchants from Kukiana take it from there. ”


Al-Idrisi also made a map, which depicts Arsa.

Features of Arsa-Rus. From the Baltic to the Caucasus


There are several features of Arsa. Obviously, Arsa is Rusa-Rus. This is the mystery of Arsa-Artania. She decisively fenced off from outside. It is not surprising that some researchers began to search for Artania in the Baltic. On the island of Ruyan was the most important sacred center of the Western Rus (rugs, ruyan). Temple of the West Russian (Wenedic) god Svyatovit (Svetovit). Huge treasures have accumulated here over the centuries. In addition, the island was one of the most important shopping centers of the Slavs-Rus. The temple was guarded by a special squad, consisting of the best knights-heroes. And the Russians in the most severe way responded to any attempts to penetrate the island.

At the same time, Arsa-Rus lay within the reach of merchants. The Russians themselves took out furs and weapon. However, these goods were delivered to the countries of the East and from other Russian lands, where access to foreign merchants was open. That is, the export of these goods could not give rise to such severe restrictions. But the presence of an important sanctuary of the Slavs-Russians could. Either there were developments of either lead or tin (tin and lead are written in Arabic in the same way).

According to the map of al-Idrisi, it is clear that the mysterious Ars was located west of the Volga-Itil, which excludes the mines of the Urals. It is also obvious that Arsa-Artania was located east of Don-Russia (“Russian River”). In the south are the regions of Alania, part of Khazaria, the North Caucasus (Derbent). Also south of Arsy-Arta is the mountain system, which can be identified with the Main Caucasian Range.

It is known that lead was mined in the Caucasus, the richest mines are deposits of Sadon (Alania - Ossetia). Deposits of the North Caucasus, in addition to lead, as a rule, also contain silver. The same Sadon owes his glory more to silver than to lead. At Sadon, silver was also mined in the Middle Ages. The news of the development of Sadon silver ores raises the question of whether silver was mined by the Arsian Rus. Al-Masudi reports about silver mining from the Rus:
"The Russians have in their land a silver mine, similar to a silver mine located in the mountain of Banjgir, in the land of Khorasan." Other medieval Muslim authors also mention the silver as well as the gold mine of the Rus. The famous silver mines of the Rus were also Marco Polo (13th century): Russia is a large country in the north ... There are many difficult passages and fortresses on the border ... They have many silver ores; they mine a lot of silver. ”


Therefore, it was suggested (V.V. Gritskov. Cimmerian Center. Issue 3. Rus. Part II. The disappeared mainland. 1992.) That the Ars-Russ lived in the North Caucasus and were related to the Alanian tribes (Alan-Asam). Both Russ-Ars and Alans were descendants of the Scythians, who are considered by some researchers to be the direct ancestors of the Slavs-Rus. They lived in this region since the days of Great Scythia. Other facts speak of the presence of Rus in this region. So among the troops of the Khazar Hagan there were pagan Rus. Later the main role in the army of the Khazar Khaganate began to play some Muslim mercenaries-arsies, which Masudi withdraws from the vicinity of Khorezm. Eastern sources also report that among the Russians there were Muslims (How the Russians converted to Islam), who were professional warriors, and could serve the eastern rulers. It is possible that the Muslim warriors of the Hagan were part of the warlike highlanders of the Arsian Rus who converted to Islam, who were not connected with Khorezm, but with religion.

Tmutarakan or Ryazan?


The question of the location of the third Russian family aroused numerous and contradictory assumptions in Russian historiography. In many ways, this question about the three state centers of Russia was connected with another problem - the origin of Russia and Rus (Russians) in general.

Thus, the authors of the 19th century (Fren et al.) Suggested that Artania is Erdzian (Mordovian Erzya tribe), the name preserved in the name of Arzamas. Shcheglov, who considered the inhabitants of Artania to be a Finnish tribe, adhered to the same point of view, but searched for Artu not in Arzamas, but in Ryazan: “Ryazan is a Slavic, glorified form of this name (Arzania). The rearrangement of letters, consonant forward, vowel back - a common thing among the Slavs in such cases. " The same researcher was supported by the great scholar of Russian chronicles Shakhmatov (A. A. Shakhmatov. The most ancient fates of the Russian tribe). Mention of the Persian historian and geographer Gardisi XI century. that “there is a city of Vantit in the country of the Slavs”, gave Shakhmatov an opportunity to bring Vantit closer to the Vyatichi and declare Artania as Ryazan, the most important city of the Slavic tribe of Vyatichi. In addition, it was suggested that Artania is Perm.

L. Niederle suggested that in the word “Artania” “p” stands erroneously instead of “n,” and associated Artu-Artania with the name “antes”. Ants lived in the IV - VII centuries. in the Northern Black Sea region, between the rivers Dnieper and Dniester. Ants formed the population of Kiev region, Chernihiv region and Polesye. B. A. Rybakov adhered to the same point of view. He connected Artania and Parkhomenko with the name of the Ants, but he went further and suggested that Artania was Tmutarakan. Earlier, the same idea was expressed by Ilovaysky (D. Ilovaysky. Investigations about the beginning of Russia). This theory received considerable support, since it proved the existence of the southern center of statehood of the Rus and the prescription of the Slavs in the Podonsko-Azov region. So this idea was supported by researchers S.V. Yushkov, A.I. Sobolevsky and others.

Some data allow us to call the Ryazan region at least one of the centers of Arsa-Artania. Archaeological data show that Old Ryazan in the IX-X centuries. already existed as a city and, therefore, could be one of the centers of Russia. Arab authors recognized the Vyatichi as one of the main Slavic tribes. On the territory of the Vyatichi tribal union there are many finds of dirhams (Arab silver coin). And these findings are concentrated along the main Vyatichi river - the Oka. Black foxes and tin were taken out of Artania - hunting for “black foxes” was carried out in Ryazan as early as the 15th century, and near Old Ryazan, in the area of ​​s. Bestuzhev, found outlets of tin ore, in ancient times developed. Tin products are known from the Maklakovsky mounds of this region of the XII century.

Thus, Arsa-Artania, like Kuyavia and Slavia, was a Slavic power created in the 4th century. n e. Apparently, Artania initially consisted of several principalities and occupied a large territory from the Kuban, part of the North Caucasus in the south to the Upper Volga region (Ryazan, Vyatichi lands), from the Dnieper in the west and the Volga in the east. In the 8th century, Artania collapsed under pressure from the Khazars. Part of the Slavs-Russ became part of the population of Khazaria (The Mystery of Russian Khazaria) Obviously, some state entities (principalities) of Artania survived. One of them, according to Eastern authors, was located between Khazaria and the Volga Bulgaria. Later, when Rurikovich united Novgorod (Slavia) and Kiev, part of Artania (including the Tmutarakan principality and the lands of the Vyatichi) was also included in the new Russian state.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 31 October 2019 05: 41 New
    +9
    Roman sources (similar to Greek and Byzantine) mention three names of the most ancient Slavs: Antes, Wends and Slavs. They differed in the place of geographical settlement. Eastern Slavs - antes. Northeast Slavs - Wends. Southeast Slavs are Slavs. Scythians are not related to the Slavs tribes.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 31 October 2019 18: 59 New
      +4
      Another article from adherents of Fomenko, I try to extract from them at least some benefit and burn from them on the weekend for a beer with a fish

      And what sources! Slavic Atlantis, Rus and Islam: D
      1. bayard
        bayard 1 November 2019 19: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Another article from adherents of Fomenko

        And where did such a conclusion come from?
        As far as I remember, Fomenko calculated the substitution of chronology and, as a consequence, dates. With displacement for centuries. And Samsonov’s in this short opus with dates is all classic.
        Or am I wrong? smile
        Quote: Vol4ara
        I try to extract from them at least some benefit

        For you, this is most likely useless. To do this, you need to have at least some basic knowledge. Have at least a vague idea of ​​the sources to which the author refers. By the way, long and widely known. And recognized by official historiography. smile

        Quote: Vol4ara
        And what sources!

        Quote: Vol4ara
        Russ and Islam

        smile And you, a young man, have heard anything about such a "people" as the Bosnians? And what about the Albanians? By the way, the latter relocated there from the Transcaucasus. Have you not heard the name of their prince?
        Button accordion yes
        No, not the one who sang songs under the harp - the namesake. The name among the Russian princes was painfully widespread.
        "Great Conqueror" - translated. yes
        Have you heard about this? lol
        Well, you get some fire on the weekend yes
        Under the beer drinks
        And then to study.
        For learning is light. yes
        And insurance against stupidity.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi 3 November 2019 21: 28 New
          0
          Quote: bayard
          Well, you get some fire on the weekend

          Let’s go fire. Or now a continuous sequencing of human genomes has been carried out, including from ancient graves, from the Urals to Brittany, from Scandinavia to the Balkans.
          Alas for you. The main core of the Slavs in ancient times was concentrated along the southern coast of the Baltic. There were many peoples here with the root "rus" Borussians, p-russians, ruthenians, russians, now completely disappeared peoples i-russians, it-russians (not to be confused with the Etruscans, who came from the territory of modern Lebanon).
          The culture, due to the simultaneous Christianization, left its mark, but the Poles, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians and Lithuanians are blood brothers, the descendants of one resettlement to the east, probably under the pressure of the Roman conquests. The southern and western Slavs are the product of the repeated radiation of the Slavs from the Danish peninsula after the Romans retreated to their native land. Genetically, there is nothing left of this wave except language and culture.
          1. bayard
            bayard 4 November 2019 01: 46 New
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            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            The main core of the Slavs in ancient times was concentrated along the southern coast of the Baltic. There were many peoples here with the root "rus" Borussians, p-russians, ruthenians, russians, now completely disappeared peoples i-russians, it-russians (not to be confused with the Etruscans, who came from the territory of modern Lebanon).

            The Slavs of the south of the Baltic, central Europe and the north of Italy (before the Great Migration of Peoples - the period of the Alano-Gothic wars) had a dominant haplogroup N - Etruscans, Cherusci, Porus-Prus (Lithuanians and Latvians belong to them). By the way, Rurik / Rurik have a haplogroup too - N. But the same haplogroup is also among the Finno-Ugric peoples who moved to the European zone during that "resettlement" - Finns, Estonians, Korela, etc. (4 - 5 centuries AD), as well as among the Hungarians, who are the same Khanty and Mansi, in the 8th century. AD who came from Siberia as an army at the call of the Khazar Khakan (Khagan) to help defeat Ruskalani-Alania, when it broke away from Khazaria. The Hungarians (Modyars - Warriors of Mode) poured a lot, but after 20 years their relatives - the Kangly (Pechenegs) came to the aid of the Alans-Ruskalans and drove the Hungarians across the Danube, where they still stay.
            But the haplogroup R1A1 was brought to central Europe by the Alans and their allies from Siberia and Central Asia - the Rus-Scythians-Aryans of Prince Slaven (from his name and the name "Slavs" the Slavic Kingdom itself went in Europe in the 5th - 8th centuries ). There were also the Scythians in his army - the Saks (they are the Saxons who liberated the British Isles from Rome), and the Kangly Angles (they are the Pechenegs) who, together with the Saxons-Saxons, acted incl. in Britain, and the warriors of the boyar Skotin, who also tied up there and named that land with their name - Scotland (land of the Scots) \ Scotland.
            From Siberia (the Ob basin) came to the aid of Bayan and Slaven FRANCI (free) - fine plate horsemen who professed Yasnu and the so-called. "military democracy" - their leader was "the first among equals" and they chose him for themselves. After the war, they did not leave Gaul, and having freed its population from slave-owning Rome, they created their own State of Franks with the capital in Reims. They were helped in this noble cause by LUTICHI, who also remained in Gaul and their capital was the city of Luthentia (future Paris) ... they loved to play the lute - their national instrument.
            And when at the end of the war he was ready to be driven into Western Europe in Spain and conquered, they did not begin to destroy their root, but forgiven, for the supervision of them there remained a punitive corps of Alan troops - on an ongoing basis. The descendants of those Alans still call themselves Kat-Alans, and their land is still called Catalania (self-name) \ Catalonia. Therefore, they do not want to live in the same country with the Spaniards. And their national instrument is the guitar.
            And among the Goths and Egyptians (Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, etc. Vatican) haplogroup R1B, therefore it now dominates in Western and partly in central Europe. True, the Greeks are an earlier Egyptian exodus and they are much closer to the Jews - the same slave exodus / resettlement with the seizure of territories, the continuation of the Akhenaten case - nah nah north.
            And Arsa-Artania is the world famous then - Arkona - the cult center of Slavic-Russians on about. Ruyan \ Buyan \ Rugen, where really strangers were not allowed in, and every one who crept in was killed.
            Sanitary mode request
    2. tanit
      tanit 1 November 2019 15: 22 New
      -4
      Rome is Russian, everything in the world is Russian ... Even the Zionists .. Ge (up, a) Rep Lyube is right ...)))
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 20 January 2020 14: 17 New
      0
      Romans and Greeks can and should be taken into account, but you cannot take it as an axiom. That is still the tradition of specialists "geographers". The only described "one-eyed Arimasp" "Amazons" are worth something.
  2. Hantengri
    Hantengri 31 October 2019 06: 44 New
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    There are several features of Arsa. Obviously, Arsa is Rusa-Rus.

    Is it that simple? Obviously that's all! laughing
    It’s obvious to me that the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 5 km. 8 km maximum. (in cloudy weather). Believe me! Chesslovo not lying! laughing
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 31 October 2019 09: 14 New
      +5
      Russia is the birthplace of elephants! smile
      1. igordok
        igordok 31 October 2019 14: 35 New
        -2
        Arab geographer Muhammad alIdrisi

        Now I know in whose honor the town was named Idritsa, in the south of the Pskov region wink
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 31 October 2019 18: 18 New
          -3
          Quote: igordok
          after whom the town of Idritsa was named

          You don’t know anything. laughing
          Some Proto-Slavs were hermaphrodites, and they lived in Middle Velichy, founded this city and named it in their honor: Idritsa = idritsya = energizea = energize herself. This was the place of their ritual self-fertilization. laughing
      2. bayard
        bayard 1 November 2019 19: 07 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        Russia is the birthplace of elephants!

        they were on it yes
      3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 November 2019 19: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Russia is the birthplace of elephants! smile

        No, you are wrong. Russia is the birthplace of KOTOV !!!
        hi
    2. haron
      haron 31 October 2019 11: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: HanTengri
      Is it that simple? Obviously that's all!

      There is an even more "obvious" option.
      Arsa, Artania - Arkona on the island of Ruyan (Rügen).
      "Arconauts" still descend on the water, and still do not let anyone in, well, except for their Slavs.
      There is still silver on the continent in the area where close relatives of the Ruyan sit - encouraged. This is Upper Saxony, the Ore Mountains between modern Dresden and Prague. Silver was hatched from there until the 18th century. (Kutna Gora, yohimstaller).
      And Arkona was still a major center of "orthodoxy" in the 9th century. Although until the 12th century, silver was dug even further north and closer to the Rügen.

      Here is another evidence for you (Eyes See .... my eyes)). I won’t put a smiley face, I hope you understand that my eyes do not pretend that they saw the truth worthy of an article on VO.
  3. Talgarets
    Talgarets 31 October 2019 07: 17 New
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    As usual, a handful of facts and a lot of speculation. Many sources are listed (mostly narrative) without a specific indication of the chapter and page. I cannot but remember Professor Vybegalo "tore out with meat what suited him and innocently kept silent about what contradicted" (who remembers the quote verbatim, please)
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 October 2019 07: 36 New
      13
      He punched this uncomplicated idea in every possible way, brandishing the volumes of the classics, from which with indescribable innocence he ripped out quotes with blood, mercilessly dropping and dying out everything that did not suit him.
      1. Talgarets
        Talgarets 31 October 2019 13: 34 New
        +6
        Thanks, and then I began to forget the classics
    2. icant007
      icant007 31 October 2019 10: 58 New
      +1
      But why? There are quotes. And the orientalist Novoseltsev is not your authority for you?
      1. Talgarets
        Talgarets 31 October 2019 16: 19 New
        +5
        I am sure that Novoseltsev P.A. a very competent scientist, but as Samsonov uses his name, he simply quotes the text of the geographer Abu Ishaq al-Istahri set forth in the writings of the historian! Why in this situation mention Novoseltsev at all?
        1. icant007
          icant007 31 October 2019 17: 12 New
          +4
          Well, let's say the author would only quote al-Istahri. Then everyone would have swooped down: "Who is this? There is no trust in him."
          Samsonov, taught by bitter experience, constantly accused of fantasies, decided to refer to Novoseltsev, hoping that the authority of a venerable scientist will help strengthen confidence in the author's words.
          But it was not there. Again did not please)
          And so it turns out, do not quote, do not quote, do not refer, but you’ll be beat anyway)
          1. Talgarets
            Talgarets 1 November 2019 08: 11 New
            +1
            But he quotes other Muslim authors without "intermediaries". Now, if he pointed to the conclusions that Novoseltsev made on the basis of the specified text (or a set of texts), then it would be another matter.
            And the works of al-Istahri, like the works of any historians, chroniclers, etc. belong to the category of narrative sources and are always cross-checked.
            1. icant007
              icant007 1 November 2019 10: 09 New
              +2
              Thanks for clarifying.
  4. Rakovor
    Rakovor 31 October 2019 07: 40 New
    +3
    There is no village "Bestuzheve" near Old Ryazan.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 October 2019 07: 56 New
    +3
    Arab geographer Abu Ishaq al-Istahri (X century) noted

    Baghdad geographer and traveler Ibn Haukal (X century) actually repeats

    Arab the geographer Muhammad al-Idrissi (XII century) writes:

    How much can you trust sources so remote from Russia? recourse Retelling retelling ...
    From the most famous sources there is the work of an Arab traveler and geographer Abu Hamid al-Garnati.
    Again, describing distant and unfamiliar countries, the traveler, as was customary in his era, reported absolutely fantastic informationsimilar withKorea, on the bikes shared by travelers on a halttrying to surprise each other
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 31 October 2019 07: 58 New
      +3
      about the bird Rukh, for example wassat
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 31 October 2019 08: 20 New
        10
        These are real! In the game "Heroes of Might and Magic" they are! laughing
      2. fuxila
        fuxila 31 October 2019 12: 04 New
        +4
        And dog-headed people and Amazons!
    2. Lord_Raven
      Lord_Raven 31 October 2019 09: 50 New
      +4
      Judging by the text of the Arab sources cited, it is very likely that the last two are an abridged excerpt from the work of the aforementioned geographer Abu Ishaq al-Istahri. At that time, such a truncated transfer of text without indicating where it was borrowed from with the addition of its own data is a frequent occurrence. Therefore, dear author, if you really undertake to describe such a topic, then first try to compare existing sources on this issue and give "internal criticism".
    3. icant007
      icant007 31 October 2019 10: 48 New
      +5
      Well, in the absence of its sources ....

      History in general is subjective science. Studying the sources, you need to study the author, and the country in which he lived, and the political situation in that region.

      Was Lomonosov subjective in arguing with the Shletsers, Bayers and Millers about the origin of Russia? Of course it was.
      Were these Germans subjective? Naturally, super-subjective, to say the least.

      But foreign sources need to study and synthesize the truth from them.
    4. AK1972
      AK1972 31 October 2019 14: 36 New
      +1
      Moreover, they retold these stories suspiciously, word for word. could at least swap words. From this we can conclude that in reality none of these geographers knew anything. Tales of 1000 and one night. And from the article I realized that the Rus is a Slavic-Scythian-Alanian-Antian Mordva. In general, blood, shit, sand and sugar.
      1. AK1972
        AK1972 31 October 2019 16: 13 New
        +3
        Fomenko's witnesses came running. For you to know your cons, plus for me in the box, please do not stop!
  6. evgic
    evgic 31 October 2019 08: 34 New
    +9
    Again, Samsonov reached the computer and splashed a stream of consciousness onto the unprepared minds of readers. It has already stopped laughing
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 31 October 2019 09: 22 New
      +1
      I, too, wonder when patients are already in the fool forbidden to approach the computer.
      1. haron
        haron 31 October 2019 11: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: Anton Yu
        I, too, wonder when patients are already in the fool forbidden to approach the computer.

        Then, when no one writes a comment on such an article. And here it is still not very clear "who has whom for smart." We comment, create traffic on the resource, that's all the author of the article needs.
        1. AK1972
          AK1972 31 October 2019 14: 41 New
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          We comment, create traffic on the resource, this is all that the author of the article needs.

          I have long had the idea that Samsonov is not an author, but a group of authors. The direction of the articles is very different, and the style of writing the articles, as well as the level of adequacy, is very different.
          1. BAI
            BAI 31 October 2019 16: 13 New
            +1
            I have long had the idea that Samsonov is not an author, but a group of authors.

            This very much resembles a joke: Captive Indians were locked in a barn and after 3 days of imprisonment, an Indian named Zorkiy Sokol noticed that the barn does not have one wall.

            The fact that the "Samsonov" group of authors has not been discussed for a long time.
  7. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 31 October 2019 08: 55 New
    +2
    Oh, to me these cronolites ... What archaeological evidence of these linguistic insinuations is there?
  8. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 31 October 2019 09: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: HanTengri
    There are several features of Arsa. Obviously, Arsa is Rusa-Rus.

    Is it that simple? Obviously that's all! laughing
    It’s obvious to me that the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 5 km. 8 km maximum. (in cloudy weather). Believe me! Chesslovo not lying! laughing

    My friend, you’re just a lazy person and don’t know how to count! Yes, and the quack also !!! My family has long known that the distance from Earth to the Moon is 7 meters. In clear weather. And in the cloudy - about 878 km. Note.
    PS With an increase in the proportion of ethanol in the blood, the distance to the moon increases in proportion to a decrease in the distance to the nearest distillery! wassat
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 31 October 2019 16: 21 New
      +2
      the distance from Earth to the Moon is 7 878 ​​meters. In clear weather. And in the cloudy - about 10 km.

      I absolutely agree with you, colleague Dmitry, but you did not take into account the wind speed at the time of observation, and every schoolchild knows that an increase in wind force of 10 m / s reduces this distance by 55,333 m.
  9. Bar2
    Bar2 31 October 2019 09: 34 New
    -6
    hello to the locals, I'm here again.
    Further in the text.
    -Russians- who is this, what annals speaks about Russians? There is Rouskaya Land, Rousse in PVL, but I didn’t see any Russians there. The thing is, there were a lot of Russian-speaking people, and in fact Russia / Chervonnaya / Black are the areas of present-day Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. Other peoples were called Gali, Barbara, Vandals. , Wends, Lombards, Varangians, Mongols / Mongals, Poles / Polyans, Lithuanians, Bulgarians / Bargars, Serbs / Russians.
    After some great war in the past, from 16-19th century, these peoples were conquered by the SRIG The Holy Roman Empire of the Germans and all peoples who had their past were named by the same name - Rus. From the rest they made Slavs i.e. peoples of the kind related to the Russians, in fact, the present Slavs are the Mankurt peoples who have forgotten their past. This can be seen in today's Ukraine, they used to be Russians, now they are not Russians by blood and culture, but hell who.
    The peoples are close in culture, blood, but speaking Turkic, these are the same Mongols, Kalmyks are white, Tatars / Tartars.
    Alexander Samsonov, you will not tell anything about the Russians, which of these chronicles is it?
    The word Arsa is correctly recognized, the letter _a_ is a denial of a phenomenon that became fashionable during the era of the Germans coming to Russia / Russia.
    Well, Artania is the Horde, which Idrisi describes back in the 12th century a century before the arrival of the Mongols.
    1. alebor
      alebor 31 October 2019 10: 59 New
      +6
      Russ- who is this, what annals speaks about Russ? In PVL there is Rousse land, Rousse, but I did not see the Russians there
      Don't you know that the Cyrillic alphabet originally did not have the letter "y", but was borrowed from the Greek "oh" which, both in the Greeks and in the Russians, was read like "y"? Later, both letters merged into one letter "y", which we still use to this day.
  10. Bar2
    Bar2 31 October 2019 09: 44 New
    +7
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Oh, to me these cronolites ... What archaeological evidence of these linguistic insinuations is there?

    but in bulk, for example, in Germany there are entire regions in which the Slavs lived, as they say now. In fact, the German GDR scholar Andrei Paul writes that the Slavs who lived on the Vagria peninsula and the island of Rügen / Ruyan are the very famous Varyags. He writes, that Wagria was incorrectly translated by historians, correctly Varia i.e. Barium.
    Well, the Slavic artifacts in the GDR were not unearthed; there are even reconstructed Slavic villages there.
  11. Operator
    Operator 31 October 2019 10: 56 New
    +2
    The border of the settlement of the eastern Slavs in the 9 century passed along the upper reaches of the Volga and Don, as well as along the Wild Field. To the north of the Slavs lived Finnish and Samoyed tribes, to the east - the mestizo of the Slavs and Finns (ropes, etc.), to the south - the Khazars, Polovtsy and Pechenegs.

    Therefore, under Artania, Arab authors most likely have in mind the Baltic region of the settlement of Western Slavs-Vends with a center in Arkon, especially since the most active part of these Slavs (the Rus tribe) regularly raided the Volga, Caspian and Black Sea regions.

    PS In the 9th century and earlier, the Slavs used the term "Slovene" (speaking the same language) for self-identification, and not the Slavs (Moscow phonetic transcription of the 16th century with a claim to "glory").
  12. Engineer
    Engineer 31 October 2019 11: 04 New
    +6
    Gentlemen, comrades, citizens (underline as necessary)
    I appeal to everyone who is not indifferent to the quality of articles on VO. Please note that the author's previous article received a record number of comments in recent years. It doesn't matter that the majority of those who unsubscribed were sophisticated in their wit about the knowledge of Mr. Samsonov. They did exactly what he wanted - brought the article to the tops and attracted attention. Moreover, the more rabid the article, the more resonance it will receive, in full accordance with the "yellow" canon.
    The only effective tactic in this situation is the complete ignore of such articles. No controversy, no discussion, no ridicule. NO COMMENTS AT ALL. All similar articles should appear inconspicuous on VO. These should be invisible articles.
  13. alebor
    alebor 31 October 2019 11: 19 New
    +5
    And again I can not trace the logic of the author.
    He says:
    1. That the Arab geographer Abu Ishaq al-Istahri (X c.), As well as several others, later, mentioned a certain land of Artania.
    2. The following are various conflicting versions of where this notorious Artania could have been.
    3. Further, the existence of Old Ryazan in the 9th-10th centuries is reported.
    4. It is also added that: “Tin products are known from the Maklakovsky mounds of this region of the XII century.”
    And after all this piling up of all kinds of facts, the conclusion is made: “Thus, Arsa-Artania, like Kuyavia and Slavia, was Slavic powercreated in IV c. n uh. ".
    Where did this IV come from AD? And where did this “power” come from?
    If architects and builders calculated and designed buildings using the methods of A. Samsonov, then all our cities would have long been in ruins, without any invasions from the outside. :-)
  14. knn54
    knn54 31 October 2019 11: 22 New
    0
    To the east of the Rus region is the Pechenegs mountain, to the south - the Ruta river, to the west - Slavs, to the north - deserted lands of the north.
    Ibn Rust.
    Arsi are one of the three ethnic groups of the Rus. They are "especially scary". Nobody enters the country of the Ars, as they kill any foreigner who entered their land. They live on an island three days long (in length and width, approximately 60x60 km or 60 km along the perimeter). SevKlimat is damp. Around the thicket, thickets. The king of the Rus is called the kagan. The king of Artania lives in Arta ...
    Rus are numerous. Their country is rich. There are big cities in it. The Russians attack the Slavs, sell them into slavery, rob their supplies. Russ leave an inheritance only to his daughter. If a son is born, the father hands the child a sword, saying: this is your inheritance. Artanian blades can be bent in half, after which they straighten. When the Russians start a war, they stop the strife until they defeat the enemy.
    Strabo
    O. Kolguyev fits the description and the climate was milder 10-12 centuries ago. Judging by the description of other authors (and archeology), the Ars could be Celts.
  15. Alex013
    Alex013 31 October 2019 11: 30 New
    +3
    Ibn Fadlan is probably the only Arab traveler who has been to Eastern Europe. But there is no mention of an article about him.
    1. Alex013
      Alex013 31 October 2019 11: 57 New
      +3
      MS 5229 is a XNUMXth-century manuscript stored in the Ridaviya library in Mashhad. The manuscript contains a collection of Arabic geographical treatises, the most notable of which is a description of the embassy of Ibn Fadlan to the Volga Bulgaria of the XNUMXth century. "Report on the lands of the Turks, Khazars, Rus, Slavs and Bashkirs"
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 3 November 2019 20: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex013
      Ibn Fadlan is probably the only Arab traveler who has been to Eastern Europe. But there is no mention of an article about him.

      He simply was not in the mysterious "ARS" \ "ART" (most likely - the Rostov land), staying in Ancient Bulagria Volga (now - Tatarstan). But even so, his travel diary itself is simply unique.
      1. Alex013
        Alex013 3 November 2019 21: 50 New
        0
        I agree! The diary is a very interesting source. However, if you remove information about dragons, giant monkeys, etc.)) Hollywood "13 Warrior" just filmed according to Ibn Fadlan (played by Banderas), of course it turned out to be a fairy tale.
        Bulgars knew about Arsania. And yet - the Bulgars separated Rus and Slavs.
  16. Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 31 October 2019 11: 42 New
    -6
    Ryazan most likely really Arsania. The toponym Ryazan itself and the ethnonym Erzya apparently arose as a result of the colonization of the Rusami region, which took place at least since the time of Germanarich. Mordens mentioned among Arctoi gentes, of course Mordva. But at the same time, there are significant cultural and anthropological differences between Erzey and Moksha, which allows Erzyu to be considered the descendants of the German colonialists of the region - Rusov
    1. bayard
      bayard 1 November 2019 20: 34 New
      +1
      Do not confuse the "Germans" of Germanarech and the Rus. They just finished him off at the end of the first phase of the Alano-Gothic war.
      Germanarech was the leader of the Goths (!), Who were the original enemies of the Rus and Slavs and had no common genotype with them. And their culture was different as light and darkness.
      Russ - R-1A
      Goths - R-1B
      Two primordially warring ethnic groups.
      Germanarech really conquered Borussia / Borussia (central Europe, modern Germany) and Ruskalan (Ruska-doe - Russian land, which stretched from the middle Dnieper to the Volga and to the Crimea and the Caucasus in the south), but not for long. An uprising broke out, which was led by Bus, and his son - Bayan (the same one) went east to call his relatives (kindred tribes) to help in the war. Bus was defeated by the Goths in several battles, but was taken aback during the holiday, captured by the Goths and, together with 70 princes and boyars, crucified on crosses.
      Bayan brought the allied troops to the aid under the leader of Prince Slaven. The Goths were defeated, driven out, old Hermanarech committed suicide. Later, the war on the initiative of the Goths was continued and ended with their complete defeat and the abolition of the newly-minted "state of Germanarech" and for one the Roman Empire, all of Europe was liberated and the Slavic kingdom was founded on the liberated lands. In the 5th century, then in the historical arena and in documents, a mention of the Slavs appeared. By the name of Slaven and the kingdom founded by him.
      These wars continued for about a century and a half. The descendants and relatives of Merovei (a descendant of Slaven) sat on all European tables, the State of Franks was founded (Franks are free, immigrants from Siberia, from the Ob basin) in the territory of Gaul occupied before by Rome, who did not want to return to their homeland (far) and began the knowledge of this state. There were about 40 thousand of them (francs).
      And the Goths who survived the war became marginalized, but they took up the service ... for which Merovingians, overthrown by the Vatican conspiracy, paid. The driving force of the conspiracy was the Goths of Pepin Korotky (a former buffoon at the royal court, and at the time of the coup, a majorda).
  17. Bar2
    Bar2 31 October 2019 12: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: alebor
    Russ- who is this, what annals speaks about Russ? In PVL there is Rousse land, Rousse, but I did not see the Russians there
    Don't you know that the Cyrillic alphabet originally did not have the letter "y", but was borrowed from the Greek "oh" which, both in the Greeks and in the Russians, was read like "y"? Later, both letters merged into one letter "y", which we still use to this day.


    I'm not talking about oh, but about the difference between Russian and Russian in PVL there are no Russians as far as I know.
    1. bayard
      bayard 1 November 2019 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Bar2
      about the difference between Russian and Russian

      Russia is light, fair-haired white people
      Rus - light carrier
      Russian - light (light brown)
      In relation to hair color, this term is used to this day.
  18. Bar2
    Bar2 31 October 2019 12: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Engineer
    Gentlemen, comrades, citizens (underline as necessary)
    I appeal to everyone who is not indifferent to the quality of articles on VO. Please note that the author's previous article received a record number of comments in recent years. It doesn't matter that the majority of those who unsubscribed were sophisticated in their wit about the knowledge of Mr. Samsonov. They did exactly what he wanted - brought the article to the tops and attracted attention. Moreover, the more rabid the article, the more resonance it will receive, in full accordance with the "yellow" canon.
    The only effective tactic in this situation is the complete ignore of such articles. No controversy, no discussion, no ridicule. NO COMMENTS AT ALL. All similar articles should appear inconspicuous on VO. These should be invisible articles.


    if you don’t agree, then culturally answer what you don’t agree with, then the people gathered to talk, and not be silent, like you.
  19. Bar2
    Bar2 31 October 2019 12: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Force Multiplier
    Ryazan most likely really Arsania


    Ryazan is not a clear word, what is Ryazan? Previously, this city was called Rezan from the word-cut. It turns out meaningfully, but the meaning is certainly terrible.
    1. Force multiplier
      Force multiplier 31 October 2019 17: 01 New
      +1
      Yes, there is a version that the pier is cut off from the rest of the Russian lands. This explanation is the most incredible, since the city stands on the Oka - a large and important trade highway. Actually because he appeared there. How a major trading center could be cut off from the world
  20. Undecim
    Undecim 31 October 2019 13: 57 New
    +9
    Reading this fierce trolling, it is simply impossible to generate any intelligible comments. Only articles similar to the mainstream.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 31 October 2019 14: 16 New
      +5
      The adherents of the Old Russians are already negating, defending their historical right to the fact that they are older than the ancient ancient Ukrainians and when they dug the Black Sea, the Ural Mountains were already poured long ago.
      By the way, where did Venya go? Usually flies do not miss such a fresh "pancake" like today's article. Or did they just leave the "minuseruna" on duty?
      1. haron
        haron 31 October 2019 14: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Undecim
        they are older than the ancient ancient Ukrainians, and when they dug the Black Sea, the Ural Mountains were long ago poured.

        Why cheat like that !?
        According to geology, the Ural Mountains are younger than the Black Sea by a couple of million years.
        But protoukry were smarter. Digging out the Black Sea, they thought for many millions of years to come. They demolished all the soil in one place, and the Carpathians turned out. He already thought about descendants, well, so that they could ski, change the forest for currency, and dig caches for partisans. True, they forgot to put natural resources there ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 31 October 2019 14: 35 New
          +2
          True, they forgot to put natural resources there ...
          Yes they did. But the proto-Russians moved them to the Urals. KMA - this is what they lost when carrying.
        2. Warrior Hamilton
          Warrior Hamilton 31 October 2019 15: 45 New
          +1
          Ancient Ukrainians spoke Armenian. Kar - black, Pat-wall In the Slavic and other languages ​​of the Carpathians can not be translated ........... fellow NATIONAL able to dig the BLACK SEA, able to put mountains hi
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 31 October 2019 15: 46 New
      +1
      "In order not to become oil ..."

      Here are the bastards! Here are the bastards! Just words are not enough!
      Long live the Pakhtakor sports club and the head of the Baku police department, Comrade Aliyev! soldier
  21. tanit
    tanit 31 October 2019 17: 08 New
    +3
    Next in line is an article about the Russo-Aryan-Aztec superethnos? It is a pity that the Incas, like letters do not rearrange, do not fit into the image.
  22. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 31 October 2019 17: 33 New
    +5
    I am waiting for an article about the atomic war of the 18 century in Tart-aria. laughing bully
  23. 1970mk
    1970mk 31 October 2019 17: 51 New
    -1
    Another Samson pseudo-historical Nonsense ...
    Edition ... maybe enough already?
  24. Curly-haired
    Curly-haired 31 October 2019 20: 29 New
    0
    Samsonov ... This is not a community of authors, just a person sees that the more delusional the article, the more popular it is. I'm just sure that he himself is not a supporter of the theories presented, the person catches the Hype wave, earns + enjoys reading the comments)
  25. ecolog
    ecolog 31 October 2019 21: 48 New
    -3
    valuable sword blades for sale ??? in Russia at that time ??? maybe outbid.
  26. doka
    doka 1 November 2019 00: 02 New
    -2
    I have vague doubts that black leopards are found in Eurasia
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 3 November 2019 20: 59 New
      0
      Quote: doka
      I have vague doubts that black leopards are found in Eurasia

      Indian peninsula for you like, not Eurasia? And so - for example, in Antiquity, lions even met in the Balkans, and in the Early Middle Ages - in the Middle East.
      1. doka
        doka 4 November 2019 22: 38 New
        0
        As I understand from the text, somewhere in the Novgorod region there is clearly not the tropics, somewhere there was an error
  27. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 1 November 2019 00: 13 New
    0
    Quote: AK1972
    the distance from Earth to the Moon is 7 878 ​​meters. In clear weather. And in the cloudy - about 10 km.

    I absolutely agree with you, colleague Dmitry, but you did not take into account the wind speed at the time of observation, and every schoolchild knows that an increase in wind force of 10 m / s reduces this distance by 55,333 m.

    It is difficult to challenge this statement, which has been confirmed by more than a dozen worthy learned men. However, I would like to clarify that a decrease in distance of 55,333 m takes place only in the case of blue or green wind. But in the case of red, and even fortified, only an increase in distance. The case of a semi-dry wind can not be taken into account due to its rarest occurrences in the gravitational field of bodies.
  28. Bar2
    Bar2 1 November 2019 09: 24 New
    -2
    Quote: Force Multiplier
    Yes, there is a version that the pier is cut off from the rest of the Russian lands. This explanation is the most incredible, since the city stands on the Oka - a large and important trade highway. Actually because he appeared there. How a major trading center could be cut off from the world


    no, not for this Rezan is a city of warriors, those who cut, Saratov is a city of warriors. in Russia in those years, the state was controlled by the military and they influenced the names of cities.
  29. tanit
    tanit 1 November 2019 15: 08 New
    -4
    Not .. It's sad and rude ... Hyperborea and Atlandis, they are Russia. Best of all, right? So dance from the iron processing centers. No, why are you, chroniclers, their Fomenko not all read? 100 books ?!
    1. tanit
      tanit 1 November 2019 15: 10 New
      -4
      The truth is in them))) Only read everything in a row)))
  30. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 2 November 2019 00: 14 New
    +2
    Or maybe not Artania, but the Horde. It was believed that civilian and military administrations existed. Here Artania-Horde was its military branch.
  31. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 2 December 2019 06: 04 New
    0
    It smacks of delirium as well as about "ukrov-dug-black sea" ...
  32. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 5 January 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    Clearly, the island was 30 km wide and 150 km long as a parallel old Dnieper riverbed between Smela and Cherkassy 200 km south of Kiev, all the inhabitants of Smolensk are still aware of this. There is a monograph by a Smelyansk scientist, which tells this theory with the murder of all newcomers. I'm sure it was there. The Dnieper region is historically a melting glacier, Tripoli, rich in small islands and bays. Since they did not live on the glaciers, these were the most northern people. This culture is from 9-12 thousand years old, the oldest or one of the oldest civilizations along with the Danube floodplain. Everything went from there. When everything melted, then people went north to the Arctic Ocean and left-right, according to logic. Search there. 1000 years ago it's recently, you find. But for this you must be a German and write everything from Adam and Eve, and not a wild Slavic Rus, a gypsy.