How the Russians converted to Islam

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According to Arabic sources, it is known that in the X century, some of the Russians converted to Islam. The then ruler of the Rus had the name or title Buladmir, consonant with the name of Prince Vladimir Svyatoslavich. At the same time, Prince Vladimir is called the kagan, as rulers of the Turks.


“Grand Duke Vladimir Chooses Faith,” 1822. I.E. Eggink




What faith did St. Vladimir accept?


According to the church version, Vladimir Svyatoslavovich (Prince of Novgorod from 970, Prince of Kiev in 978 — 1015) adopted the Orthodox faith in Christianity in 988, which is why he is considered the Holy Prince. True, with a closer look, it is obvious that there was little holiness in him. Vladimir became famous as a very lively person who had a harem of hundreds of concubines, the pogrom of Polotsk, where he slaughtered the princely family of Rogvolodovich, one of the instigators of the civil war and fratricide - on his orders they killed the great prince Yaropolk.

The main sources of how Prince Vladimir was baptized and baptized Kiev are the Greek "Comprehensive narrative of how the people of the Roses were baptized" and the Russian chronicle "The Tale of Bygone Years." A “Comprehensive Narrative” reports that the prince of the Roses sat in his city and thought that his people adhere to the four religions and cannot unite around one correct one. Some worshiped the Jewish faith (Judaism) as the greatest and most ancient; the second - the Persian faith was respected (pagan fire-worshipers, however, it could be pagan Rus, in their faith fire was also of great importance); the third - "honored the Syrian faith" (apparently, Nestorianism, one of the directions of Christianity); the fourth - held the "faith of the Hagarians." Hagar is the concubine of Abraham and the mother of Ishmael, who became the progenitor of the Arab tribes. That is, the Hagarites are Muslims. So, we see that before the official baptism of Rus, the Rus-Kievites were Judaists (obviously, the Khazar community, very influential in Kiev), Christians, Muslims and pagans. That is, Muslims were present in Kiev even before the official baptism of Russia.

Vladimir sent ambassadors to Rome, and they really liked the Catholic service, he already wanted to accept this faith, but he was also advised to check the Greek faith. Again he sent ambassadors, already to Constantinople. Rich gifts were presented to the Russian ambassadors, and they liked the Greek rites even more than the Roman ones. Upon returning, the ambassadors began to praise the Greek faith. In the end, Vladimir decided to accept the Greek faith. Interestingly, the ambassadors were not interested in the content of religion, but only in form - rituals.

What do Russian annals say? Vladimir sat in Kiev and made sacrifices to pagan gods. Ambassadors from different nations came to him with a proposal to accept the true faith. Muslims came from the Volga Bulgaria. They praise their faith: to pray to one god, "to perform circumcision, not to eat pork, not to drink wine," but you can have several wives. Vladimir liked his wives, but he was not comfortable: circumcision, abstinence from pork meat. And about wine he said: "Russia is a joy to drink: we cannot be without it." Catholics from Rome praised their religion: “... your faith is not like our faith, because our faith is light; we bow to God, who made heaven and earth, stars and a month, and all that breathes, and your gods are just a tree. ” Vladimir said to the Germans: “Go where you came from, for our fathers did not accept this.”

Khazar Jews came and praise their faith: “Christians believe in the one we crucified, and we believe in one God ...” Vladimir asked: “What kind of law do you have?” The Jews answered: “Circumcision, there is no pork and hare, keep the Sabbath. ” The prince asks them: “Where is your land?” It turned out that God turned his back on the Jews and deprived them of their homeland. Naturally, such a belief is not worth accepting.

Then the Greeks sent a philosopher to Prince Vladimir, who said: “We heard that the Bulgarians came and taught you to accept your faith; their faith defiles heaven and earth, and they are cursed beyond all people, likened to the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, on whom the Lord let out a burning stone and flooded them ... ”So the Greek philosopher scolded all the laws and praised his own. Vladimir became interested, and on the advice of the boyars and elders, he ordered ambassadors to be sent to various countries to learn more about faiths. Further, everything is repeated, as in the Greek source. The ambassadors did not like the Bulgars and Germans, but they were delighted with the beautiful reception, rites and generous gifts of the Greeks. As a result, Vladimir accepted the faith of the Greeks.

It is interesting that Christian tombstones appear in Russia only at the end of the 15th century. Prior to this, the graves of Christians and pagans are difficult to distinguish, they were no different. This in general is not surprising, in the countryside (where the overwhelming majority of the people lived) paganism continued for several centuries after official baptism.

What east sources say


Eastern sources report that a significant part of the Rus (Russians) converted to Islam. True, with their differences, they did not know the rites, ate pork, etc.

12th-century Arab traveler Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahim al-Garnati al-Andalusi traveled more, visited Derbent, Lower and Middle Volga. In 1150, from Bulgaria he went to Russia, driving along the "Slavic River" (Don). Visited Kiev. And here is what he tells about the people of Kiev: “And I arrived in the city of the Slavs, which is called“ Hor [od] Kuyav ”(Kiev). And there are thousands of “Maghribins” in it, by the appearance of the Türks, speaking the Turkic language and arrows arrows, like the Türks. And they are known in this country under the name of badge [ak]. And I met a man from Baghdad, whose name is Karim ibn Fayruz al-Jawhari, he was married to [the daughter] of one of these Muslims. "I gave these Muslims Friday prayers and taught them hutbah, and they did not know Friday prayers." That is, they live in Kiev, but they cannot read the Friday prayer correctly. It turns out that at that time in Kiev there was a large Muslim community, but poorly knew ritualism.

In eastern sources there is a message that Kiy (the founder of Kiev) was a native of Khorezm - his real name is Kuyya. Part of the Khorezm Muslims was resettled in Khazaria, where they were resettled along the borders of the Khaganate. Kuyya became the Wazir of Khazaria, his position was inherited by his son Ahmad bin Kuyya. The Arab historian, geographer and traveler of the XNUMXth century Al-Masoudi, who united previously fragmented historical and geographical observations into a large-scale work of an encyclopedic nature, and nicknamed the "Arab Herodotus", reports that the leading military force in Khazaria are Muslims - Arsies (jars), aliens from Khorezm. Army residents have Muslim judges. Arsania is one of the “Slavic” countries in the eastern sources, along with Slavia and Kuyavia. In addition, it is known that a significant part of the population of the Khazar Khaganate was Slavs. Obviously, many of them could be Christians and Muslims.

And what do eastern sources say about Vladimir? The Persian author and historian Muhammad Aoufi (late XII - first half of the XIII century) reports that the Rus earn their livelihood only with a sword. If any of them dies, then they give all their property to their daughters, and they don’t give their son anything but a sword, telling him: “Your father obtained his property with his sword.” That was until the Rus became Christians. Having adopted Christianity, they sheathed the sword. But because of this, their affairs fell into decay. Then the Rus decided to accept Islam in order to be able to wage a war for faith. The Russian ambassadors arrived to the Khorezm Shah, relatives of their king, who wore the title “Buladmir”, as the Turks carry the title of Khakan. Khorezm Shah was very happy about this, granted ambassadors with gifts and sent one of the imams to teach them the rules of Islam. After that, the Russians became Muslims.

Russ make trips to remote countries, constantly wandering around the sea on ships. Who do Russians usually fight with? With Christian countries - Byzantium, Poland, Bulgaria, they attack Christian cities in Crimea. It is interesting that in the treasures on the territory of Russia there are mainly eastern dirhams, which indicates developed trade with the East. Byzantine coins in the treasures are few. Also in Kiev, during excavations, objects with the inscription Arabica were found. Arabic inscriptions make up the usual affiliation of wealthy Russian helmets (including the helmet of Grand Duke Alexander Nevsky). Old Russian coins up to Ivan the Terrible have either only Arabic inscriptions, or Russian and Arabic together.

Thus, the official picture of Russian history, adopted by the Romanovs, has many flaws. So, in the “classical” history, which is very convenient for Western Europe and the German-Romanesque historical school (which has become “classical” in Russia), and the official church, the history of the Russians was circumcised almost before baptism. They also preferred to “forget” that the vast majority of the Russians remained pagans for several centuries after the adoption of Christianity. There was also a very powerful community of Muslim Slavs.

Most of all paganism lasted in the Russian North, in the Novgorod land. Only in the city Christianity prevailed, in the villages faith was pagan. A similar situation was in Kiev, in the southwestern Russian lands. In Kiev, the princes, nobles, focusing on Rome or the Second Rome (Constantinople), adopted Christianity. There was a powerful Jewish and Muslim community (obviously, the legacy of Khazaria). But the ancient faith prevailed among the people. Christianity was alien to the people. In the south-west of Russia, Christianity began to penetrate into the people only under the influence of Poland, around the 14th century.

In Vladimir-Suzdal, paganism prevailed. Those who retained faith in the old gods were called "filthy" ("pagans"). It took many centuries, until about the time of Sergius of Radonezh, Christianity and paganism merged into one, in fiery Orthodoxy. The neighbor was the Muslim Volga Bulgaria-Bulgaria, where the Volgar-Bulgars lived, a mixed Slavic-Turkic population. Connections were active: wars, raids, trade, the relocation of prisoners, cultural relationships. Therefore, there were many Muslim Slavs who later converted to Christianity or joined the Tatar ethnic group.
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  1. +20
    17 October 2019 05: 08
    We read after the Author!
    . “And I arrived in the city of the Slavs, which is called“ Hor [od] Kuyav ”(Kiev). And there are thousands "Maghribintsy", in the sight of the Türks, speaking the Türkic language and arrows arrows, like the Türks. And they are known in this country under the name of badge [ak]. And I met a man from Baghdad, whose name is Karim ibn Fayruz al-Jawhari, he was married to [the daughter of] one of these Muslims. "I gave these Muslims Friday prayers and taught them hutbah, and they did not know Friday prayers." That is, they live in Kiev, but they cannot read the Friday prayer correctly. It turns out that at that time in Kiev there was a large Muslim community, but poorly knew ritualism.

    The question is where are the Russians or the Slavs?
    We are talking about the Turks, speaking the Turkic language and having military techniques similar to the Turkic peoples! I dare to assume that the conversation is about Torquay - allies of the Russian princes!
    The following mentions a religiously illiterate native of Baghdad living in Kiev. And where are the Slav brothers?
    In fact, by the 10th century Kiyov was quite a multiculturalism city, until the formula “Orthodoxy-autocracy-Russia” was still half a millennium!
    By the way, based on the PVL and the Cambridge document, we can say with confidence that there were much more Jews (Jews) in Kievan Rus than Muslims!
    Regards, Kote!
    1. +6
      17 October 2019 07: 54
      Namesake, these questions must be addressed to Fomenko, and Samsonov is just a servant of Fomenko
      1. 0
        20 October 2019 14: 09
        Are you interested in Shpakovsky's nonsense? Fomenko has at least some thoughts of his own. Yes, and he does not claim to be the ultimate truth. So one of the variants of our history ..
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 20: 36
          Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
          Are you interested in Shpakovsky's nonsense? Fomenko has at least some thoughts of his own. Yes, and he does not claim to be the ultimate truth. So one of the variants of our history ..

          Rather, the truth in the last resort, he claims to the same extent as Petrik or Zadornov
          1. +2
            21 October 2019 00: 30
            I was always surprised .. The delirium of the Poles that they defeated Alexander of Macedon is taken for granted. The mathematician’s arguments, even documented, are nonsense .. We are strange Russians
            1. +1
              21 October 2019 10: 35
              Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
              I was always surprised .. The delirium of the Poles that they defeated Alexander of Macedon is taken for granted. The mathematician’s arguments, even documented, are nonsense .. We are strange Russians

              This is called a juggling of facts, probably only Fomenko knows about the Poles and the Macedonian.
              The world will go crazy when mathematicians and humorists poke their nose into history, then the Etruscans will really become "this is Russian", and historians will engage in mathematical analysis
              1. 0
                21 October 2019 13: 59
                Well, Fomenko did not mention the Poles and Macedon. I deducted this from Mekhovskiy. The very one who first mentioned the Mongol-Tatar yoke for Russia
    2. +11
      17 October 2019 07: 58
      Do not be surprised. In today's RUSSIA, the church is trying to return to power and stick to the state feeding trough, as was the case in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. For this, neither the priests, nor their superiors are not shy about their means.
      Under Yeltsin, the church traded in alcohol and tobacco, in addition to gold and silver. The appetite has grown and the church wants not to trade, no - to rule the state. The first stage, a merger with a foreign church has already been completed. The second stage - the choice of ideologists is still developing. But they hastily try to introduce the kingdom and successfully feed all kinds of pretenders to kings.
      I won’t be surprised if suddenly unknown previously apocryphal scriptures appear or suddenly chronicles appear from somewhere. Just like those that appeared after the accession of the Romanovs, or even witnesses of those events will appear with certificates from Vladimir, or even from Olga herself.
      1. +17
        17 October 2019 08: 41
        Vasily50 (Dmitry) But they are hastily trying to introduce the kingdom and successfully feed all sorts of pretenders to the kings.
        Yes, that’s right, that’s right. Instead of teaching astronomy (well, at least it was good enough to return it to the school curriculum), our children are forcibly injected into this whole priest crap. The Unified State Exam is not enough for us, and so is the fooling of the church. Religion is an individual matter and a person himself must approach this, without urging. And here, from a school bench, children are fooled.
        They wrote down the bloody tsar as passion bearers, and why didn’t they write there millions of ordinary people ruined by his mediocre politics?
        Now these Kirill-Romanov’s nonsense people are fostering, they are hanging each other’s medals on a fat brucho. The shame and shame of such a church. Although it must be admitted that true ascetics are sometimes found among the brethren, BUT is very rare. Basically, neither pop is a collection of all sins, which are only described in the scriptures.
        1. +8
          17 October 2019 17: 56
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Basically, neither pop is a collection of all sins, which are only described in the scriptures.

          "Always do as the mullah says, but never do as he does." (Eastern wisdom)
          1. +4
            18 October 2019 18: 38
            Russian wisdom says otherwise - What a pop, such a parish. wink
            1. +2
              18 October 2019 20: 28
              Wai! Why "otherwise"? The same eggs, only in profile! Greetings namesake hi !
              1. +2
                18 October 2019 21: 00
                Mutually welcome, namesake! hi
                My Ferghana friend often recalls this proverb about a mullah when we argue about priests. laughing
                But the proverb about the priest still has a different essence, linking the parish precisely with the personality of the priest, and not with his teachings. request
            2. +2
              18 October 2019 22: 53
              So, if the parish is good, then pop, probably, nothing.
        2. +6
          17 October 2019 18: 30
          Alexander Suvorov, the school is just across the street from my house, but I HAVE NEVER SEEN a priest come to school. An acquaintance from Ufa said that sometimes a mufti comes to their school to teach an elective: "the foundations of Islam"
        3. 0
          17 October 2019 21: 07
          By the way, about astronomy. Well, personally I had a "five". But explain to me this fact: the disks of the Moon and the Sun visible from the Earth have approximately the same size, which causes total solar eclipses aperiodically. But what is the probability of such a coincidence from the point of view of the theory of probability? I passed it (albeit mostly by) in the 2nd year of a chemical university, and I am not a mathematician. So, I have some idea about higher mathematics. But it seems to me that the probability of such an accidental coincidence is very small. I propose, in the first approximation, to consider it equal to the ratio of the distances from the Earth to the Moon and the Sun (I do not at all belong to the supporters of the flat earth theory, for clarity). Then we get: 384 / 000 = 150% (approximately). Probability - neither one nor the other. It seems like it is possible in principle, but not very likely, you will agree. And what will a professional mathematician say about this, I wonder? It is necessary to introduce boundary conditions, define dependent and independent events, etc. I will not undertake. Which way will this intuitive estimate go when trying to make a rigorous calculation? In the direction of increasing the likelihood of such a random coincidence, or, conversely, in the direction of decreasing? I don’t know. A word for mathematicians. I croaked, and there at least don't dawn.
          So what about the approach without prodding - a person should at least know from which, in fact, he is choosing. And you offer, to begin with, a naked denial. "Under the banner of Marxism-Leninism forward to the victory of communism." Believe it or not, it just didn't work out. Alternatives were not considered. For a person who is familiar at least in the most general terms with the history of science, the role of pure chance in many fundamental discoveries is obvious. Then what is it in general - science? What is it actually eaten with? As a candidate of technical sciences, I ask. The question is rhetorical. Another thing is that the evolution from atheism to some kind of religion is a complicated matter. A decent person does not change religion like gloves. And atheism is also a religion. Belief that there is no God. And I must say, on the rather shaky foundation of 1789th century anti-clerical liberal propaganda. Well, of course, there are encyclopedists and the "Kingdom of Reason" of the French Revolution. I remember a picture in a Soviet history textbook - "the rise and fall of the Great French Revolution." From 1794 to XNUMX everything grew and grew - and suddenly "bam"! - zero. There is no revolution. Riddle. And what was it, as I found out many years later? Yes, the same number of those publicly guillotined in Paris! Dynamics - one to one. These are the Kingdom of Reason! By the time of the crash, the bill was already in the thousands a month. Enemies of the people climbed out of all the cracks like cockroaches. And now - hello, we arrived. Well, here, of course, the most active guillotines were quickly guillotined as well, but they stopped there.
          Of course, Repin did not take his Mytishchi priest out of his head, but still, believe me, there is a clear minority - even now. Even after being closer to the Church in the late 80s and early 90s of the last century, many members of the Communist Party poured without a pause of serious awareness.
          1. +3
            18 October 2019 18: 51
            Quote: Nikolai Korovin

            By the way, about astronomy. Well, personally I had a "five". But explain to me this fact: the disks of the Moon and the Sun visible from the Earth have approximately the same size, which causes total solar eclipses aperiodically. But what is the probability of such a coincidence from the point of view of the theory of probability? I passed it (albeit mostly by) in the 2nd year of a chemical university, and I am not a mathematician. So, I have some idea about higher mathematics. But it seems to me that the probability of such an accidental coincidence is very small. I propose, as a first approximation, to consider it equal to the ratio of the distances from the Earth to the Moon and the Sun (I do not belong to the supporters of the theory of flat earth, for clarity). Then we get: 384 / 000 = 150% (approximately). Probability is neither.

            Of course "neither this nor that"! Now, if you divided the distance from your left eye to the tip of the penis, by the distance from the right ear to the left buttock ... Then the resulting value would coincide by 200% with the probability you are looking for. And that would be - the very thing!
            1. 0
              18 October 2019 21: 10
              I do not see anything in this comment except the desire to gossip, clinging to a word torn out of context. A discussion method very characteristic of the liberal public. Is there anything substantive?
              1. +1
                18 October 2019 23: 00
                Quote: Nikolai Korovin

                I don’t see anything in this comment, except the desire to gossip,

                Not at all. I just brought to logical perfection yours, of course "creative" (wassat), a method for calculating probabilities. You wanted to know the opinion of a person who understands what probability is and what it is eaten with? You recognized him ... laughing
                1. -1
                  18 October 2019 23: 43
                  I do not see opinions point blank. Banter see, yes, sir. Yes, only laughing for no reason is very indecent. Well, this is what I chose the first approximation. The first integration constant is not very common. I formulated the problem - I want to turn what I want. Here, with dependent and independent events, not everything is as simple as it might seem to you, judging by your ultra-super-original refinement of the calculation method. And why, in fact, funny? The visible disks of the Sun and the Moon coincide in diameter, or where?

                  Well, you. He emerged under the curtain more or less streamlined, and what if they track and decipher it? Well him to Allah. Still banned. I'm so quiet in the corner. Knees on the peas. For mental profanity.
                  1. +2
                    19 October 2019 00: 12
                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    And why, in fact, funny?

                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    But it seems to me that the probability of such an accidental coincidence is very small. I propose, as a first approximation, to consider it equal to the ratio of the distances from the Earth to the Moon and the Sun (I do not belong to the supporters of the theory of flat earth, for clarity). Then we get: 384 / 000 = 150% (approximately). Probability is neither.

                    Here is this pearl! laughing In general, the textbook teorvera in the teeth and study until you understand what is humor.
                    1. -1
                      19 October 2019 03: 55
                      And I won’t think about it. Here, for example, is an example of the application of the theorver.

                      Example. The store received new products from three enterprises. The percentage of these products is as follows: 20% - products of the first enterprise, 30% - products of the second enterprise, 50% - products of the third enterprise; further, 10% of the products of the first enterprise of the highest grade, in the second enterprise - 5% and in the third - 20% of the products of the highest grade. Find the likelihood that a randomly purchased new product will be of the highest grade.
                      Decision. We denote by B the event that premium products will be purchased, by we denote the events consisting in the purchase of products belonging to the first, second and third enterprises, respectively.
                      The full probability formula can be applied, and in our notation:
                      (the formula was not copied, well, to hell with it).
                      Substituting these values ​​in the formula for total probability, we obtain the desired probability:
                      (it turned out 0.135).

                      I understand that if it is proposed to think about something that goes beyond the textbooks of Malinin and Burenin, it is easier to cling to the word and make fun of it. This is in your opinion a reliable event, and there is nothing to fence the garden about. But if you mix 2 qibiki tea and 30 pounds of red and black cloth ... Well, the flag in hand.
              2. +1
                20 October 2019 20: 44
                Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                I do not see anything in this comment except the desire to gossip, clinging to a word torn out of context. A discussion method very characteristic of the liberal public. Is there anything substantive?

                Yes, yes, and he’s also bulked, the State Department has a salary and a tax in addition, and he writes from the training manual
                1. 0
                  23 October 2019 19: 52
                  Outdated concept. I have not been whipped in my regiment since it is forbidden.
        4. +2
          17 October 2019 23: 07
          Alexander Suvorov, a binding name. And - "Bloody Nikolashka". Based on the events of January 9, 1905, after all, they have long known who Gapon was. This was not denied even in Soviet times. The real organizers gave him some time to walk, and they removed him just in case, so as not to blabber. And the head of the column consisted of qualified fighters. The officer who commanded the cordon is "guilty" of the bloodshed. When 150-200 militants were fired into the air, they sat down on command so as not to hit them on the head. The distance was 50 meters. Naturally, the next command was to shoot to kill. A few seconds - and from about a company stationed at the Winter Palace, after approaching an effective revolver shot, horns and legs would remain. No commander will allow this.
          Well, it's not for me, the storekeeper, to explain to the professionals at what distance a rifle bullet retains its lethal force. So people with gonfalons, portraits and icons fell under the distribution by accident. Naturally, there and then a liberal howl about 3000 killed, although in reality there were about 300. It's very sad - but put yourself in the shoes of this officer. And then there was massive terror against government officials and the police. Moscow Governor-General, Grand. book Sergei Alexandrovich, the tsar's uncle, was killed in broad daylight. In total, terrorists have destroyed more than 10 state. officials, policemen and aristocrats - I do not remember the exact figure, but it is known quite accurately. Shooting a policeman between cases is a kind of revolutionary chic. Terrorists were executed - but at times less. Such is the "bloody tsarism." Here, according to Kara-Murza, "the delegitimization of tsarism" took place. He rests everything on the black redistribution, they say, the reason. The interests of the peasantry were not taken into account. Hence the inevitability of October is also derived. But he somehow "forgets" about terror. Namely, he paralyzed the state apparatus. But the interval between February and October, it seems, is described adequately.
          Nicholas II can be reproached only for the fact that he was not at the height of the situation. Personal staying in positions with the sick prince did not help. Few people got it right. The reforms were half-hearted and slowed down on the ground. The remnants of the local nobility did not want to give up the remnants of their former luxury. But who would have done it in his place? Stolypin was killed, Witte let him down, the rest were weak ... Yes, he fell into mysticism. But the role of Rasputin was much less significant than that which was attributed to him. Basically, as they say now, "fakes". As a result, on March 2, he was alone. Indeed, a passion bearer. The main motive for abdication is to avoid civil war. And all the same - the same end and in the same place.
      2. -1
        17 October 2019 08: 45
        Quote: Vasily50
        But they hastily try to introduce the kingdom and successfully feed all kinds of pretenders to kings.

        Of course, you have a lot of confusion about who and what is trying to implement.
        Kingdom - a heresy that likens Saint Nicholas II to Christ Himself, and the Church is fighting this heresy.
        1. +7
          17 October 2019 09: 46
          bober1982 (vladimir) of St. Nicholas II
          It’s a shame if you don’t know that the church recognized him as a “stastobeer,” but not a “saint”!
          Tsaregozhie is a heresy that likens Saint Nicholas II to Christ Himself, and the Church is fighting this heresy.
          Well, yes, afraid of how ...
          The church is considering restoring the monarchy. Do you already have “heirs”?
          Alexander Pyzhikov about who benefits from the restoration of the monarchy today?

          The Russian Orthodox Church raised the question of restoring the monarchy. Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk stated that the monarchy has advantages over elected forms of government. Moreover, according to him, such a model of political structure has many supporters among Orthodox believers. Also, the Metropolitan did not rule out that if a discussion about the restoration of the monarchy in Russia begins in society, the church will take an active part in it. ©
          Even with Pyzhikov, including Attention! Monarchical revenge of the oligarchs


          Metropolitan Hilarion, center, and the "heirs" of Kirillovichi

          Why is the Orthodox Church, which did not oppose the abdication of Nicholas II in February 1917 and in March "recognized" the Provisional Government, now makes a cult of the monarchy and the former emperor?

          Doctor of Historical Sciences, professor of Moscow State Pedagogical University Alexander Pyzhikov shared his opinion about how the figures of the past are used for political purposes, in an interview on Nakanune.RU.

          Alexander Pyzhikov: Here we must proceed from what the ROC is as an organization and how it came about. This is an artificial organization that the Romanovs created specifically to sanctify their dominance, the primacy of the ruling Ukrainian-Polish stratum that constructed this Church. It was designed by immigrants from the Uniate Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They actually destroyed Russian Orthodoxy, and by order of the Romanovs they created the Church, which we now call Nikonian.
          1. 0
            17 October 2019 09: 59
            A.V. Pyzhikov (rest in peace for him), began his career as a junior researcher in the history department of the CPSU Institute of Marxism-Leninism under the Central Committee of the CPSU, was born in 1965, joined the CPSU in 1987 (that is, 22 or two years old)
            1. +6
              17 October 2019 10: 03
              bober1982 (vladimir)
              A.V. Pyzhikov (rest in peace for him), began his career as a junior researcher in the history department of the CPSU Institute of Marxism-Leninism under the Central Committee of the CPSU, was born in 1965, joined the CPSU in 1987 (that is, 22 or two years old)
              And what of that? Is he wrong in something?
              1. -2
                17 October 2019 10: 12
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                And what of that?

                The conjuncture has changed, the fashion trend has begun - with the dull Soviet reality, the junior researchers have switched to the topic of religion, this topic has become not only fashionable, but also bread.
                1. +5
                  17 October 2019 10: 15
                  bober1982 (vladimir)
                  The conjuncture has changed, the fashion trend has begun - with the dull Soviet reality, the junior researchers have switched to the topic of religion, this topic has become not only fashionable, but also bread.
                  No need to get rid of general phrases, and about anything! What specifically is Pyzhikov wrong?
                  1. -6
                    17 October 2019 10: 24
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    What specifically is Pyzhikov wrong?

                    In matters of religion, he understood about the same as you.
                    Well, judge for yourself, what could he even know? Have you found perestroika times? But then, everyone in the Church literally broke, not pushing through. What was left for all these employees of the Institute of the CPSU to do, to compose a dissertation on the role of the CPSU in the work of the collective farm — everyone would start laughing (everyone was emboldened), and so they began to switch to something new - not worn out or beaten up.
                    1. +7
                      17 October 2019 10: 42
                      bober1982 (vladimir)
                      In matters of religion, he understood about the same as you.
                      What are you? And you mean we all recognized theologian? Who are you to say with such aplomb that neither I, nor Pyzhikov, in religious matters?
                      As always, you have the answer for nothing, one empty boltology and bragging. Instead of refuting the specific words of Pyzhikov, you begin to carry your nonsense about the fact that no one except of course your beloved understands nothing.
                      That is precisely why I have no desire to have a dispute with you, because apart from empty swagger, you are not able to write anything on the merits of the issue.
                      1. -1
                        17 October 2019 10: 53
                        We are distracted from the topic, our dispute (as you put it) has turned the wrong way.
                        Enjoy further, the work of junior researchers, good luck.
                      2. +6
                        17 October 2019 12: 48
                        The younger ones become senior, defend dissertations, travel around the country, sit in archives, and generally study the issue. All this in order for the sofa analyst to say: I don’t think so!
                      3. -7
                        17 October 2019 13: 00
                        The Soviet Union was ruined by the hands of younger, senior researchers, laboratory assistants and laboratory managers. It was a kind of combat infantry.
                      4. +5
                        17 October 2019 19: 57
                        Personally, I am already the 33rd year senior researcher. With interruptions. I didn’t ruin anything, on the contrary, I was ruined in 1992, again slowly gathered from small parts. What is it that the notorious Gaidar, perhaps, was a scientist? Every family has its black sheep. You have some strange generalizations.
                      5. +5
                        17 October 2019 23: 18
                        Too monumental statement. You are too sure of this, apparently read somewhere and are ready to defend someone else's point of view. The MNF or the SNA did not have real power; they are not pulling on infantry either. Here is the economic party asset, and it was a dope in the USSR, they just fall into your formula. Of course, it is possible that the presence of scientific personnel is the same Berezovsky, but to blame everything on the media, this is at least unreasonable. Personally, I have seen few crooks with academic ranks, and there will not be enough soldiers in the arms of a company of fingers or business executives-fingers.
                    2. +3
                      17 October 2019 11: 27
                      On the policy of the CPSU, its regional organizations, dissertations were defended both in the 90s and in the early XNUMXs. and now they are defending themselves. And no one laughed or laughed.
                      1. +3
                        17 October 2019 21: 58
                        This is still to say. Of course, they didn’t laugh openly, but still they laughed a little.
                        "Long live Marxism, and the twenty-second congress, and the wise policy of the CPSU Central Committee.
                        As N.S. said Khrushchev, we were not born for shackles.
                        Both the black negro and the Asian want to live with the Kremlin word. "
                        Here. And not only in word, but also handouts, as you know. And as the handouts ran out - and got sick at once.
          2. +3
            17 October 2019 18: 43
            Libraries should have magazines: "Science and Religion" and there were publications on the history of Orthodoxy. I’m there, I don’t remember that Nikon was associated with the Uniates
            1. +1
              18 October 2019 00: 01
              I am not quite up to date, but it seems doubtful that the Uniates were operating in Moscow in the middle of the XNUMXth century.
          3. +3
            17 October 2019 19: 49
            Suvorov, the site has already been published about Nikon. And a little more detail: I.V. Dzhugashvili (Stalin) studied at the Theological Seminary and wanted to become an Orthodox priest (this is in the book of Vasilevsky)
            In 1941, he met with the locum tenens of the patriarchal table Sergei more than once, and Stalin had a lot of work before the fall-winter of 1941.
            Now about: "the Orthodox Church, which did not oppose the abdication of Nicholas, ..." recognized "the Provisional Government.
            This is the fault of Peter the Great when he opposed the election of a new patriarch, when the patriarch Adrian died, and then established the Holy Synod. He actually subordinated the church to the monarch - violation of the canons. When Emperor Nicholas 2 decided to abdicate, his subordinates could not forbid him.
            Why was the Provisional Government "recognized"? Again, the Holy Synod was still operating at that time, but how dare the younger not recognize the boss? Remember when the patriarchate was restored?
            1. -2
              18 October 2019 00: 02
              Was the Kazan or Vladimir Mother of God icon transported around Moscow in November 1941? It helped, or something else, but such a fact did occur.
              1. +1
                18 October 2019 07: 15
                Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                but such a fact took place.

                These are all fables, not serious.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2019 11: 21
                  - Is hydrogen a gas?
                  “But hell knows her, Comrade Colonel.”
                  1. 0
                    18 October 2019 18: 57
                    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                    - Is hydrogen a gas?
                    “But hell knows her, Comrade Colonel.”

                    Remember, you didn't "carry" any icons around Moscow, this is sheer stupidity, although not as harmless as it might seem. There are plenty of those who are attacked and overly impressionable, they don't know the measures, they start to fantasize.
                    And if something starts to myrrh, don’t believe it either - an icon, a monument, a sofa or a chair, in this case you don’t need to blaspheme, of course, reverently cross yourself (just in case, but who knows), and forget it.
                    1. -1
                      18 October 2019 21: 15
                      Convinced. I will try. So I’ll remember it first. And then I’ll forget it. And everything will be hurt.
                      1. 0
                        18 October 2019 21: 59
                        Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                        So first remember

                        Do not forget to cross.
                    2. -1
                      18 October 2019 21: 59
                      So it is. There are many links on the Internet. And quite positive, and sharply negative. Someone testifies that there was, someone testifies that there couldn’t be anything. Someone convicts in a lie who testified that there was, someone - on the contrary. Naturally, the curses at the address of I.V. Stalin. I’m not going to understand this porridge - there is no time. The only thing I will say is that I heard it back in the late 1960s, out of the corner of my ear. Where - now I will not remember. Perhaps, from some of my father’s friends, we regularly gathered a fairly large company of war veterans, scientists. There were one acting colonel and a couple of major generals.
                      Whether I heard from one of them, I won’t say it now; or somewhere else I heard. But around this time - in the late 1960s. Of course, he didn’t attach much importance to that - like a young atheist was. Well, since I tried to educate my grandmother - she washed me. I remember, I only opened my mouth, closed it not without difficulty. But I do not insist - I just mentioned that there is such information.
                      And attributing to me litigations on a stool, thus suspecting me of idiocy - is right, somewhat impolite. Judging by your remarks, you do not suspect that there are much more incomprehensible things around you than you think, and many common, very global ideas of the broad masses have nothing to do with reality. A striking example is the Kyoto Protocol and the role of greenhouse gases. In a greenhouse, in a greenhouse, greenhouse gases act. And even then not so much. Conditions are formed that are close to the total internal reflection of the light entering the greenhouse.
                      Well, how do you like it?
                      1. +1
                        18 October 2019 22: 10
                        Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                        And ascribe to me liturgies on a stool,

                        By the way, no one ascribes to you, because we are talking about serious matters.
                        Quote: Nikolai Korovin
                        In a greenhouse, in a greenhouse, greenhouse gases act.

                        I agree that I can’t either say more on this issue, I just don’t know.
                      2. +2
                        19 October 2019 00: 24
                        The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration from all human activities is much less than the result of a local increase in the temperature of the oceans with increasing solar activity. All these Kyoto, Paris, etc. the protocols, coupled with Greta Tunberg, are a struggle for hydrocarbon markets, in which Russia is forced to react adequately to the kind of peaceful initiatives of other interested parties. And the greenhouse - and to hell with it, the greenhouse. Too lazy to draw the rays. Look for refractive indices for different types of glass, consider scattering ... In general, less comes out than comes in. But - indeed, here an increased concentration of CO2 can contribute. And in relation to the biosphere as a whole brought to idiocy.
              2. +1
                19 October 2019 09: 02
                I heard about this fact
              3. +1
                20 October 2019 14: 32
                I heard that Stalin’s order, the icon was loaded onto a plane and circled the entire front line.
                Naturally, I did not see this, but this version of what is true is that Stalin was a practical person and he used everything for the benefit of the case
                1. +1
                  20 October 2019 19: 37
                  That's good! Someone supported me. And then they completely stopped about this. Solid minuses. Information on the Internet is contradictory. Well, a clear stump - armed with the Marxist-Leninist theory, you can gouge everything. Nothing transcendental is allowed. By the way, I treat the classics with respect, for the information of irreconcilable atheists, although I strongly disagree with something. I don't really know who I am myself. But not the same as in the previous phrase. As it was formulated in the 30s, "sympathetic to the Soviet power" in this respect. And if you look not at the testimonies, but at the general situation with religion after the outbreak of the war (before the war, Stalin did not make any special curtsies with respect to the Church), then this idea seems to be quite in the spirit of his actions at that time. But there was - there was no ... It is necessary to understand, and not minus, because we know for sure that nothing like this happens in principle. Not too constructive position.
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2019 09: 47
                    We need to figure it out. What is for, what is against.
                    "For" - rumors and belief that JV Stalin did nothing in vain.

                    "Against"
                    1. No specifics in time. Neither the day nor the time of day is indicated when this flyby allegedly took place. And knowing at least a day you can see what the weather was like. Flying or not.
                    2. No specifics on the type of aircraft.
                    3. No specifics for the participants. And on one side. On the secular side, not one aviation commander admitted that this part of him was honored with this honor. Not a single pilot admitted that he was flying. Not a single pilot admitted that his friend, colleague, etc. flew. Not a single aviation technician admitted that it was he (or his colleague) who was preparing the airplane of such and such a pilot for an important government mission.
                    From the religious side the same. No one even admitted from which of the parties the initiative of flying was allegedly emanating. None of the religious leaders admitted from which temple the icon was allegedly taken. None of the clergy say what kind of fellow clergyman was honored to sit on the plane with her. By the way, it is not specified, the icon was supposedly carried with a priest on an airplane or without a priest.
                    1. 0
                      23 October 2019 19: 45
                      It seems to me that the exclusively negative "cons" are somewhat insufficiently substantiated. There is testimony from specific people that critics reject as frivolous for various reasons. Each such statement and denial should be considered separately, which is clearly beyond the scope of discussion in the comments and requires a separate article. Otherwise, it seems that there was already a trial on this matter, and the court made a decision. This is far from the case.
            2. +1
              19 October 2019 05: 19
              . This is the fault of Peter the Great when he opposed the election of a new patriarch, when the patriarch Adrian died, and then established the Holy Synod. He actually subordinated the church to the monarch - violation of the canons. When Emperor Nicholas 2 decided to abdicate, his subordinates could not forbid him.
              Why was the Provisional Government "recognized"? Again, the Holy Synod was still operating at that time, but how dare the younger not recognize the boss? Remember when the patriarchate was restored?

              Hello namesake!
              Kinu and his stone in the grave of the enemy and the enemy (s)
              Glory in all three cases you described (I would add three more four: starting from the baptism of Rus; transfer of the metropolis department first to Vladimir, and then to Moscow; acceptance of patriarchatehood, etc.) are by no means connected with spiritual matters. These are secular “parties” of optimization of the state management system! Offhand I remember only one spiritual message of the first persons of the Russian Orthodox Church - this is Nikon's reform! It is hard to imagine how much it cost the Russian people. I think demographically, even the Civil War did less harm than a centuries-old schism.
              Regards, Vlad!
              1. 0
                19 October 2019 09: 13
                Namesake, welcome.
                Regarding the reform of Nikon and that it resulted in a demographic plan for the people, 100% agree.
                Why Peter abolished the Patriarchate can be understood. At least in that historical period, it was reasonable
          4. 0
            17 October 2019 23: 58
            I believe that Alexander Pyzhikov came from jurists. Who is in the know?
        2. +5
          17 October 2019 09: 51
          The church is fighting this heresy.
          He fights and wins, raising him to the rank of great martyrs.
        3. +2
          17 October 2019 11: 15
          Confirm with anything the facts of the struggle against this heresy, Vladimir. Pzhlst.
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Vasily50
          But they hastily try to introduce the kingdom and successfully feed all kinds of pretenders to kings.

          Of course, you have a lot of confusion about who and what is trying to implement.
          Kingdom - a heresy that likens Saint Nicholas II to Christ Himself, and the Church is fighting this heresy.
          1. -3
            17 October 2019 11: 30
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Confirm with anything the facts of the fight against this heresy

            What kind of facts are needed, it is not clear if the tsarozhozhniki brazenly distort the dogmas of the Orthodox faith, as the Church indicates to them, not to stake them.
            Often, confuse the Church and its individual representatives, you just need to ignore.
            1. +4
              17 October 2019 11: 41
              The distortion of the dogmas of the Orthodox faith continues, so the Church either does not indicate, or the distorting do not consider it necessary to stop. What is this talking about. Sometimes, I read iconic speeches and go to Orthodox sites. I have not seen any condemnation anywhere about the queen worshipers. You will inform, pzhlst. Where exactly the Church indicated.
              And how can this not pay attention to the words and actions of individual representatives? If they represent the Russian Orthodox Church? And how do you know who to pay to whom not to .... you have a problem again
              1. -2
                17 October 2019 11: 57
                You do not carefully read the comment, I pointed out that ...... what the Church points to them
                .
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Sometimes, I read iconic speeches and go to Orthodox sites.

                This is commendable, but you need to understand that there are also pseudo-Orthodox sites, essentially anti-church sites, you need to be very careful and suspicious, and what kind of symbolic speeches you read, there are a lot of talkers.
                Quote: Reptiloid
                either distorting ones do not consider it necessary to stop

                These distorting, from the first centuries, were a great many, legion.
                1. +5
                  17 October 2019 12: 31
                  To a direct question, I did not receive a direct answer from you Vladimir. However, for the umpteenth time already.
                  1. -5
                    17 October 2019 12: 37
                    You start with something simple, for example, the soulful advice of the Orthodox priest, and you immediately take up the heresy, so to speak, take the bull by the horns.
                    1. +5
                      17 October 2019 13: 00
                      I do not set the goal of heresies at all in detail, I just have not seen anything about it, I have wanted to find out the reason for the congratulations for the Provisional Government from the hierarchs of the Church for more than a year now. After the abdication of the King. I have not seen anything about this on Orthodox sites. We have already talked about congratulations before, and I quoted them with reference.
                      1. 0
                        17 October 2019 13: 07
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        I have not wanted to find out the reason for the greetings for the Provisional Government from the Church Hierarchs for a single year.

                        Then they repented of this, many with blood.
                        And what is the reason - after all, in February 1917 there was also a "church" revolution
                      2. +1
                        17 October 2019 15: 14
                        Thanks for the answer, Vladimir.
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        I have not wanted to find out the reason for the greetings for the Provisional Government from the Church Hierarchs for a single year.

                        Then they repented of this, many with blood.
                        And what is the reason - after all, in February 1917 there was also a "church" revolution
                      3. +2
                        17 October 2019 20: 31
                        It is true that there was a mini church split: the "traditional church" and the so-called "Living" church. But Stalin, for some reason, sent "Live" to FIG, and maintained relations with "traditional".
                        In the 90s, a split began again in the Russian Orthodox Church, remember such a character as Gleb Yakunin? Only Patriarch Alexy sent him to the devil.
                      4. 0
                        18 October 2019 18: 45
                        Quote: vladcub
                        Remember a character like Gleb Yakunin?

                        Yakunin, was a shred, what a split there was.
                        Quote: vladcub
                        there was a mini church schism: the "traditional church" and the so-called "Living" church. But Stalin, for some reason, sent "Live" to FIG, and maintained relations with "traditional".

                        Stalin did not support the Church, the so-called Living church - the product of the OGPU, the time has come, and they were allowed under the knife.
                      5. 0
                        20 October 2019 14: 38
                        Beaver, maybe I didn’t put it that way, but the fact is that Stalin communicated with representatives of the traditional church, and then the "living" church was flushed down the toilet
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      3. +1
        17 October 2019 11: 55
        Do not try, but already done it
      4. 0
        19 October 2019 00: 07
        Name the applicants to the kings of all sorts, pzhlst.
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 19: 38
          It’s weak to name, only minus can.
    3. +7
      17 October 2019 07: 58
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      that the conversation is about Torquay - allies of the Russian princes!

      Most likely mercenaries.
      At the same time, Prince Vladimir is called the kagan, as rulers of the Turks.
      So what? For the Arabian ear and understanding it is so familiar, especially since the Russians knew this title - the Khagan ruled recently by the Khazaria
      1. +5
        17 October 2019 18: 02
        The Russians themselves used this title in relation to their rulers. At least one grafitti in Russian survived to the 40s of the last century on the wall of St. Sophia Cathedral in Kiev!
    4. 0
      18 October 2019 23: 17
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      The question is where are the Russians or the Slavs?

      Perhaps Russ is an Iranian tribe that lived north of the Caucasus and in the Don basin. It is useful to perceive the ancient history as a set of unlikely hypotheses, the truth of which will be discovered only by posterity or will remain unknown forever. We do not even know where those killed in October 1993 and their exact number are buried.
      1. 0
        19 October 2019 11: 43
        Everyone lies calendars.
    5. 0
      21 October 2019 12: 02
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      ... And they are known in this country under the name of badge [ak] ...
      I dare to assume that the conversation is about Torquay - allies of the Russian princes! ...

      so it is written about the Pechenegs, where did the torquay come from?
  2. +14
    17 October 2019 07: 05
    "Arabic inscriptions are commonplace for wealthy Russian helmets (including the helmet of Grand Duke Alexander Nevsky)."
    The historian should know that there is no helmet of the Grand Duke Alexander Nevsky! There is a name, but a helmet ... no. No, that helmet, not at that time! Alexander could not wear a Turkish cone when there was no Turkey either ... For people who are especially ignorant, here is the text: Secret of the helmet of Alexander Nevsky
    History, as you know, often gives scientists more riddles than guesses. Therefore, it is not surprising that many archaeological finds turn out to be completely different from what they are initially taken for. Unfortunately, a similar story happened with the helmet of Alexander Nevsky. In the mid-twentieth century, technology reached such a level that they could accurately indicate the date of manufacture of a particular item. The famous helmet, which haunted historians with its uniqueness, has also undergone research. After much manipulation, it was found that the version of the helmet belonging to Alexander Nevsky is just a legend. Specialists determined that the item was made in the seventeenth century, almost four hundred years after the death of Prince Alexander. - https://fb.ru/article/306206/shlem-aleksandra-nevskogo-arabskie-nadpisi-foto
    1. +3
      17 October 2019 18: 46
      I will add a picture so that it is clearly visible how much the so-called the helmet of Alexander Nevsky differs from the Old Russian.

      When I was still at school, when I saw this helmet, the first thing I thought was that it was "erikhonka" from my children's set of pictures about Russian weapons and armor, which had nothing to do with the 13th century. You don't have to be a specialist
    2. -7
      17 October 2019 23: 49
      The history of Russia and the Roosian Empire was thoroughly faked and rewritten under Catherine 2, specially created for this purpose by the Academy, which specialized in faking history, falsifications, and provocations.
      And the essence of falsification is to set peoples against each other
      friend, erase the historical memory, replacing it with the fallen in the offices of the Academy.
      There was a huge Confederation, from the borders of Iran to the Urals
      and from the Urals to the Baltic and Poland, which included various independent communities, the Polsko-Lithuanian, Crimean, Veliky Novgorod, Volga Bulgars, Kazan, nomadic Nogaev and Kazakhs, not anywhere else
      mentioned on the lands of the present Ryazan and Murom
      spoiled by the pronunciation of "Ortans, Artans" which
      was Muslim and existed before Peter the Great,
      and under Catherine 2 It was eliminated, but historical monuments still remain. And in Albanian sounds
      "Urtag, Urtaguni" - in the translation "Comrade, Partnership." And actually Caucasian Albania
      which was the catalyst for the emergence of this huge Confederation, and the political center,
      until the aggression of Lame Timur, and the subsequent usurpation of power by Ivan the Terrible. And all the names of ancient cities and many peoples come from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, “Kiev” - from “k4elbyah1” - in Russian there are no sounds, and “kiyab, kebach "-
      in translation "two hills, or elevations."
      Volga Bulgaria - from "barkh, barkhti" - "union, joint" (people). Moscow - from "makhya" - a farm, a village that sounds spoiled in pronunciation
      According to historical memory, “Mokashane” is still called Moscow a large village, because there are still many villages around. And the peoples who lived around
      Meria, Mari, Murom, from the Albanian “Murul” - from which comes the Russian “Man”.
      And in the Russian language a huge number of words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, and Tatar also occurs
      from the language of the Caucasian Albanians and Persian peoples,
      Ancient, Commercial, International, and along with their relatives all inhabitants of Albania owned, which became native to many peoples both in Russia and for its
      outside and all the titles are also from the Albanian language,
      "Khan" - 'from "halal, halasi" - "senior, big".
      "Bek" - from "bek1" - the head of man and all living things.
      “King” - from “tzaiibil” - “first, chief”.
      For instance; Alexander Nevsky was a “caibil” squad
      “Bagiadurs” - in the literal sense of “Warrior, Knight” - from
      which in the Russian language occurred "Blogarodny, Rich, Bogatyr Boyarin." And Alexander Nevsky didn’t go
      somewhere in Mongolia, in the "karakurum" which does not exist,
      and in Kala-Koreysh in Caucasian Albania, the capital of Haidak Usmii, which began from Absheron
      (Baku region) and reached the historical
      “Itil” is “different” in Astrakhan, before the aggression of Lame Timur, which actually exists today, but already abandoned by the inhabitants, with exactly the same tombstones
      Papyatnikami, as in Russia 15 - 16 and later centuries.
      Words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians are also present in Armenian, Semitic, European and Latin languages.
      And Islam by all facts reached the Russian lands earlier than in Dagestan - Caucasian Albania, which is one and the same,
      because the Albanians did not let the Arabs enter their land for more than one hundred and twenty years, and by this time bypassing the Caspian Sea they reached the Volga Bulgars and the Moscow lands.
      And everything says that before the invasion of Lame Timur, the history of the Confederation was interconnected and united, until Ivan the Terrible came to power.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 14: 56
        Where did you hear about this? It gives a very alternative
    3. 0
      20 October 2019 11: 15
      After much manipulation, it was found that the version of the helmet belonging to Alexander Nevsky is just a legend. Specialists determined that the item was made in the seventeenth century.

      They can, when they want. But how many more similar artifacts need similar ones: "long manipulations" ???? How many more helmets of A. Macedon, copies of Philip of Macedon, underpants of all Caesars, axes of "war chariots" of various Thutmoses and Ramses, and so on and so forth and so on, wander from one historical thesis to another.
  3. +5
    17 October 2019 07: 07
    With whom Do Russians usually fight? With Christian countries - Byzantium, Poland, Bulgaria, they attack Christian cities in Crimea.

    They’re at war with their neighbors, like everyone else. Moreover with all, and not just Christian: With the East incl.
    The same goes for trade.


    Compare: also these statements:
    Christianity was alien to the people. In the south-west of Russia, Christianity began to penetrate to the people only under the influence of Poland, around the XNUMXth century
    и
    Needed long centuriesuntil around the time Sergius of Radonezh Christianity and paganism merged together


    What are the "long centuries" if Sergius of Raonezh is ... 14th century? belay recourse

    1. +4
      17 October 2019 07: 58
      Fi, what are the little things
    2. 0
      17 October 2019 20: 27
      V. Kozhinov quite convincingly showed that the few really aggressive attacks on Byzantium occurred at the instigation or even at the direct direction of the Khazar Kaganate, from which South Russia fell into dependence, in contrast to North. Kaganate in Byzantium did not divide a lot. And in some cases, the campaigns of the Russians were in support of the legitimate, as they believed, the authorities in Byzantium. In particular, Tzimiskes, with whom Svyatoslav, the usurper, fought. The same is the action of Vladimir against Khersones in 988. Separatists dug in the Crimea. Vladimir helped the legitimate authorities (without undue cruelty), converted to Christianity, and received the princess of imperial blood as his wife.
  4. +12
    17 October 2019 07: 19
    Catholics from Rome praised their religion:

    It is a pity only that before the appearance of Catholics and Orthodox, almost 100 years after the described "events"
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 48
      Town Hall (Town Hall)
      It is a pity only that before the appearance of Catholics and Orthodox, almost 100 years after the described "events"
      Well, why? It seems like in the 863th century there was a split between the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the papacy, which lasted from 867 to 990. And the baptism of Russia, sort of like in 991 or XNUMX, wasn’t it?
      1. +2
        17 October 2019 09: 04
        The split of the Christian church in 1054, also the Great split - the church split, after which the Church was finally divided into the Roman Catholic Church in the West and the Orthodox in the East, with a center in Constantinople
        1. -1
          17 October 2019 09: 19
          I apologize for the Wikipedia link, but still:
          IX century
          Main article: Fotiev Schism
          In the 863th century, a split occurred between the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the papacy, which lasted from 867 to 858. The Patriarch of Constantinople at that time was headed by Patriarch Photius (867–877, 886–858), and the head of the Roman Curia was Nicholas I (867–XNUMX). It is believed that although the formal reason for the split was the question of the legality of electing Photius to the patriarchal throne, the deepest reason for the split lay in the desire of the pope to extend his influence to the dioceses of the Balkan Peninsula, which met resistance from the Byzantine Empire. Also, over time, personal conflict between the two hierarchs intensified.

          X century
          In the X century, the severity of the conflict decreased, disputes replaced long periods of cooperation. The instruction of the X century contains a formula for the appeal of the Byzantine emperor to the Pope [2]:

          In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, our one and only God. From [name] and [name], emperors of the Romans, faithful to God, [name] the Holy Pope and our spiritual father.

          In a similar way, respectful forms of appeal to the emperor for ambassadors from Rome were established [2].

          XI century
          At the beginning of the XI century, the invasion of Western European conquerors began on the territory that had previously been under the control of the Eastern Roman Empire. The political confrontation soon led to the confrontation between the Western and Eastern churches [3].
          1. +3
            17 October 2019 10: 05
            Read for yourself what they copied.
            there was a split between the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the papacy, which lasted from 863 to 867.

            In the period described in the article, there was no split
            1. +1
              17 October 2019 10: 08
              Town Hall (Town Hall)
              In the period described in the article, there was no split
              And then what?
              Excerpt from the article:
              What faith did St. Vladimir accept?

              According to the church version, Vladimir Svyatoslavovich (Prince of Novgorod from 970, Prince of Kiev in 978–1015) accepted the Orthodox faith, the Christian faith in 988, and therefore he is considered the Holy Prince.
              1. +2
                17 October 2019 10: 10
                This is a question for the author of the article.
        2. +2
          17 October 2019 18: 07
          I read somewhere that in Novgorod the Great and after the Great schism, about 100 more both churches coexisted. Even in one family there could be both Orthodox and Catholics, when a child was born he was carried to the nearest church or depending on the sympathy or antipathy to the priest
      2. -2
        17 October 2019 09: 09
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        It seems like in the IX century

        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And the baptism of Russia seems to be like

        So you got a comment, sort of.
        1. -2
          17 October 2019 09: 21
          bober1982 (vladimir)
          So you got a comment, sort of.
          Here is your opinion that interests me last.

          In fact, the comment is something to argue?
          1. 0
            17 October 2019 09: 26
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            In fact, the comment is something to argue?

            You Town Hall explained everything, why should I mind sort of.
            1. +1
              17 October 2019 09: 40
              He didn't explain anything to me! If this is a mystery for you, as for a "devout believer" I give one more link:
              According to the "Tale of Bygone Years", before the baptism of Prince Vladimir, there was a "test of faith." In 986, ambassadors from the Volga Bulgars arrived to Prince Vladimir, who suggested that he convert to Islam. When they told the prince about the rituals that must be observed, including the ban on drinking wine, Vladimir responded with the famous phrase: “Rus is merriment of drink”, and then rejected the offer of the Bulgars.

              After the Bulgars came the Germans (foreigners) from Rome, sent by the Pope. They claimed that they had a fasting power: "if anyone drinks or eats, then all is for the glory of God." However, Vladimir sent them away, telling them: "Go where you came from, for our fathers did not accept this either."

              The next were the Khazar Jews, offering Vladimir to accept Judaism. In response to this, knowing that Khazaria was defeated by his father Svyatoslav, he asked where their land was. The Khazars were forced to admit that they did not have their own land - God scattered them to other countries. Vladimir abandoned Judaism.

              Then a Byzantine arrived in Russia, whom the Russian chronicler called Philosopher for wisdom. He told the Russian prince about biblical history and the Christian faith. However, Vladimir has not yet made a final decision and consulted with his closest boyars. It was decided to additionally test the faith, having attended divine services with Muslims, Germans and Greeks. When the envoys returned to Kiev after visiting Constantinople, they enthusiastically informed the prince: “They did not know where we are - in heaven or on earth.” As a result, Vladimir made a choice in favor of Greek Christianity[30].
    2. +1
      17 October 2019 17: 57
      Bravo, comrade!
  5. +10
    17 October 2019 07: 57
    What kind of fashion has gone - the heading "about Thomas", and the text about "Erema"? About how the Russians accepted Islam, I did not find anything in the article. The fact that in those centuries, in large cities there were communities of different peoples (mainly merchant farmsteads with their hotels, canteens, warehouses, service staff and with their own faith is not an indicator that this happened in all places). The purpose of this article is also not clear, because the author has mixed everything into one heap - religion, politics, and archeology ... and so the result is "dregs". Where not a word is said about how Islam was accepted among the Russians. One feature is not even mentioned - both the Kiev lands, and the Novgorod and others from time immemorial were inhabited by different ethnic groups (the concept of nationality appeared much later). Therefore, dear author, I will express my point of view on your article - not an article, but okroshka, where just a little bit is crumbled, but it is stated that this is turtle soup)))
    1. +3
      17 October 2019 18: 17
      It is well said: "not an article, but okroshka, where a little bit of everything is crumbled, but it is stated that this is a turtle soup", and there is just no turtle there as well as no about the adoption of Islam
  6. -4
    17 October 2019 08: 02
    It is unlikely that Russia and the Russians will officially accept the fact that Kievan Rus was the Kievan Kaganate. But is it really necessary ?! By the way, "bedjn [ak]" is Pechenegs.
    1. +4
      17 October 2019 08: 50
      Pecheneg (Beck)
      It is unlikely that Russia and the Russians will officially accept the fact that Kievan Rus was the Kievan Kaganate. But is it really necessary ?! By the way, "bedjn [ak]" is Pechenegs.
      Can you give evidence of your fantasies?
    2. 0
      17 October 2019 18: 43
      Vladimir took the title "kagan" in defiance of the Khazar kaganate. Confirmed by Western sources.
    3. 0
      19 October 2019 01: 14
      Quote: Pecheneg
      It is unlikely that Russia and the Russians will officially accept the fact that Kievan Rus was the Kievan Kaganate. But is it really necessary ?! By the way, "bedjn [ak]" is Pechenegs.

      Yes, that's exactly it; in the surviving even Russian documents of the era of Prince Vladimir, they call it "kagan" - this title was clearly taken as a kind of trophy from the destroyed prince Svyatoslav of Khazaria, which - for a minute - stretched from the Caucasus to the Volga-Oka interfluve and from modern Ukraine to the modern Astrakhan region ...

      But the title did not take root, in Russia and in relation to the lords of the Russian land, it was used only at the end of the 10-the very beginning of the 11 century; by the middle of the 11 century, it disappears from documents that have reached us.
  7. +10
    17 October 2019 08: 40
    Colleagues, we will try on stupid mistakes of the author, but there are people who admire such stupidity. If it were modern USEshniks, otherwise quite respected people who had studied in the Soviet Union, this is scary.
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 00: 15
      To the question of Soviet education. I don’t know, maybe they taught at the historical faculties as they should, but at school the interpretation of both domestic and world history was coolly emasculated. Which, of course, does not negate the fact of a good teaching of the natural sciences.
  8. -1
    17 October 2019 08: 50
    The prince asks them: "Where is your land?"It turned out that God turned his back on the Jews, deprived them of their homeland.

    A remarkably intrinsic phrase))
    In the West there is such an expression - if you are so smart, then why so poor?
    So, if they are so chosen by God, why do they own only a piece of land? )))
  9. +6
    17 October 2019 08: 52
    Another fucking historical creation!
  10. +11
    17 October 2019 09: 00
    Take Samsonov’s computer; there’s no strength to see the mockery of history.
  11. +6
    17 October 2019 10: 16
    An interesting topic of course is Islam in Russia recourse .But I was smart enough to send the preachers of some religions on foot on an erotic journey, otherwise they would grunt with hunger, most of the products would be banned. I will list for fun. So river inhabitants: crayfish, burbot, catfish, sturgeon, eels. Earthly inhabitants, carcasses of light, bears, badgers, hares, rabbits, beavers, marmots, piglets. What is allowed? the horse. only now in Russia the horse was a friend and breadwinner of the whole family and was cut in terrible circumstances, goose-ducks can be, swans in particular .....
    1. +1
      17 October 2019 11: 31
      The swan is beautiful, but, as experts say, is tasteless. He is very far from a duck or a goose in gastronomic terms.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 00: 18
        Nevertheless, even in Soviet times, fried swans are said to have been served in the "Slavianski Bazaar". It was considered comme il faut.
  12. +11
    17 October 2019 11: 06
    Exclusive historical nonsense - I especially liked this masterpiece: "Christianity and paganism merged into one, in fiery Orthodoxy" laughing

    Administration of VO - please move the article to the "Opinions" section in order to avoid claims in terms of offending the religious feelings of Orthodox Christians.
    1. +2
      17 October 2019 18: 09
      A rare, almost excluded case when I agree with you, Andrei;
      1. +2
        17 October 2019 21: 38
        "- There are no others.
        - So don't read any "(c).
        1. +1
          18 October 2019 15: 03
          Bulgakov: "Heart of a Dog"
    2. +2
      18 October 2019 18: 56
      masterpiece
      Why nonsense? Many Orthodox holidays are superimposed on the pagan as a carbon copy.
      1. +1
        18 October 2019 20: 45
        Ingvar, probably, even at the dawn of Christianity, the peasants, still new to them, Christian holiday and rites were customized to the usual pagan.
        And then intertwined so that the devil breaks his leg
        1. +3
          18 October 2019 20: 54
          Lent begins with Shrovetide, where, according to pagan tradition, winter is burned.
  13. +2
    17 October 2019 11: 41
    so soon on the site in it will be possible to read the scripture, of course I understand the site lacks the authors of the articles but not to the same extent, although sometimes it’s fun to read cranks
    1. -2
      17 October 2019 18: 28
      And a literate person needs to know what is written in Holy Scripture. And it turns out straight "I have not read the works of the renegade Solzhenitsin, but I condemn." It would be necessary to browse at least diagonally. Well, for example, from the beginning of the Book of Genesis: "The earth was formless and empty, and the spirit of God hovered over the waters." We replace water with hydrogen - we get the primary cloud of the solar system according to the most generally accepted scientific concepts. This is not a translation error - they just did not know what hydrogen was then. "And the Lord said: Let there be Light. And light became of itself" (I cannot guarantee that I am quoting 100% accurately). Well, what is it? Yes, the cloud thickened, pressure was created, the temperature rose, a thermonuclear reaction began. In my opinion, so. If anything else, I'll be glad to hear. Nothing else comes to my mind.
      1. +3
        17 October 2019 18: 31
        literate person needs to know dialectical materialism
        1. 0
          17 October 2019 21: 43
          The specified materialism is written with "and"
        2. +3
          18 October 2019 11: 31
          I understood the task. I apologize for the delay - it's a bit dull by nature. Immediately I undertake two articles: "Theories of the origin of the solar system in the light of the revelations of dialectical materialism" and "A dialectical approach to the choice of the optimal pressure-temperature pair in the ITERA reactor. It will be fun. It's a pity that the decisions of the next Congress of the CPSU will not be possible at the beginning to lean on - a little out of date.
      2. +1
        18 October 2019 12: 39
        Something minusity of my this message is growing. Lord minusers! What's not to like? Am I distorting the Scripture? ("Make up to the Vladyka the attitude that Father Gerasim distorts the Scripture, calling the" bitch "" scrappy. ") Or do you not like the physical meaning that I gave to these provisions from Scripture? In the first case, please point out the distortions to me, and in the second - emphasize mistakes in the physical sense I have announced and propose the correct one. This will correspond to the norms of scientific discussion. Otherwise, it turns out, as with reading the correspondence between Babel and Kautsky. Disagreeing, I say, with both. But Babel - oh, it can be different!
  14. +3
    17 October 2019 12: 09
    I would not be surprised if the following article attempts to prove that the Sophia Cathedrals of Kiev and Novgorod, as well as the Transfiguration Cathedral of Chernigov, were originally mosques, and maybe even pagan temples.
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 01: 44
      "originally were mosques, and maybe even pagan temples" ///
      ----
      In-in! good Samsonov nothing just happens!
      There is some kind of bomb idea. Not yet disclosed, but hints given.
      The symbiosis of Islam and paganism, as a new path to greatness?
      And what? Fomenkov still did not go off with a bang.
      St. Isaac's Cathedral, here, in St. Petersburg, they didn’t build it, but dug it up
      ready out of the mud. And normally people are eating this, not choking.
  15. +2
    17 October 2019 16: 27
    Quote: bober1982
    The Soviet Union was ruined by the hands of younger, senior researchers, laboratory assistants and laboratory managers. It was a kind of combat infantry.

    Stupidity is not necessary to write. Battles lose to marshals!
    1. +5
      17 October 2019 18: 39
      Battles, Vyacheslav Olegovich, marshals are losing, and sergeants are defeated (the main words: "lose" and "suffer")
  16. +2
    17 October 2019 17: 42
    The author did not say a word about the Khazar Kaganate. As it was not. Didn't have any effect on anything. This is how individual facts are ripped out and presented as the last word of science. And the question is well covered by V. Kozhinov, "History of Russia. Modern view". Moscow, Charlie, 1997, 10 copies. The author did it, to put it mildly, somewhat lightweight. With disregard of a number of the most important facts. About the book. Olga and her visit to Constantine Porphyrogenitus in Constantinople and the "first baptism of Rus" - no gu-gu. Yes, and Askold still, it seems, was already a Christian, or at least many of his squad. And the author turns out that St. Equal to the Apostles Prince. Vladimir personally chose Christianity solely for selfish reasons, without relying on any prehistory. As for his personal qualities before baptism, it is known that what is impossible for humans is possible for God. Saul turns into Paul, all sins are consumed. And it is possible that here, too, someone lied something. Fortunately, there was someone. A lightened quote from Ilf and Petrov is appropriate here (it’s not even an hour, they will be banned from the first comment): “The author of the novel“ The Wife of a Party Member ”is not the only one, you see, he didn’t say a word about land reclamation in Central Asia. We don’t need such novels!” These are the critics who lied. They demanded to tell everything as it is about reclamation works in Central Asia. And about rice growing at the same time.
    They say that criticizing a work is necessary for what is in it, and not for what is not in it. Not that case, however.
    1. -3
      17 October 2019 23: 46
      The Khazar kogonat is fiction for political purposes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and links the myth of the Tsars of the Romanovs or Catherine 2 about the “Mongol Tatar needle”, brother
      I know the history of Caucasian Albania, and of Russia as a whole, because Caucasian Albania is a catalyst for the emergence of Russia, the Tatars and other communities.
      And the history of Caucasian Albania is the history of the entire former Tsarist Russian Empire, before Ivan the Terrible, this is already a common history of Russia and Caucasian Albania, along with the Polish - Lithuanian, Crimean, Volga Bulgars, Muscovy, to the Urals and from the Urals to the Baltic and Poland.
      1. +1
        18 October 2019 11: 46
        Well, if "brother" - yes, I agree - all people are brothers. If for good. But still, I doubt it a little. Still, Caucasian Albania ceased to exist as an independent state, if I am not mistaken, in 705, and the state was, in general, small. How could it have an impact on such a vast territory with the then state of the communication lines? And according to the chronicle, Rurik's vocation to Russia is 862. And where did 157 years go then? And Rurik was definitely not Albanian. The most likely confirmed opinion is the Dane. Although many insist on Slavic origin. But it is known that Friesland was ruled by a certain Rorik in the middle of the 854th century, in agreement with the beloved West Charlemagne. And in XNUMX, it seems, Carl Rorick took off, so to speak. Maybe even banished. And he gladly accepted the offer to reign in Russia. Is this so, or is Rurik of Slavic origin, but, I repeat, he is definitely not a Caucasian Albanian. Here is a weak point in your theory, brother.
        1. +1
          20 October 2019 11: 50
          by agreement with beloved West Charlemagne. And in 854, it seems, Karl Rorik took off, so to speak. Maybe even expelled.

          Maybe you wanted to say that "Rorica took off and maybe even banished the spirit of Charlemagne"? Indeed, according to the official version of history, a character like Charlemagne died back in 814.
          1. 0
            20 October 2019 19: 45
            Thank. The error came out. That's right, in the year 814 (or, if you will, the year). Well, then I already gave my soul to God. Fact. Memory is a strange thing. When I wrote, I was sure that everything was correct. I'll check how it really is.
          2. 0
            21 October 2019 13: 25
            Correct quote from V. Kozhinov.
            ... Rurik-Rorik, like his father Konung Haldvan, was in allied relations with the German emperor in 814-840 Louis I the Pious - the son and heir of Charlemagne. Louis christened Rurik in 826 (although he later returned to paganism), and later approved him as the ruler of Friesland (earlier this post was held - at the behest of Charlemagne - by Rurik's father). However, Louis' son, Lothair, who became emperor after his father's death, twice "took" Friesland from Rurik - in 843 - until 850, and finally, in 854. And it is possible that this is why Rurik responded with consent to the invitation to become a ruler in distant Ladoga.
            Kozhinov refers to: Azbelev S.N., On the question of the origin of Rurik. - On Sat Hermeneutics of ancient Russian literature. Collection 7. Part II. - M., 1994, p. 369.
            It, of course, seems to be a joy to the Normanists; but, in general, the most common thing was at that time, earlier and later ... Rurik was not a native of Friesland either.
  17. +10
    17 October 2019 18: 24
    I read the comments - no one understood anything, went astray on a discussion of particulars. Some characters, such as Suvorov, Pyzhikov, advertise with a claim to some knowledge of something there. I just want to express myself against the rules of the site.
    But the question is not very simple. Moreover, he is very serious. Where did the author get the idea for his next delirium? And the author got the idea in the journal "Islamic Studies", which was created in 2009 by the head of the Center for Islamic Studies in the North Caucasus at Dagestan State University, Doctor of Philosophy, Professor M.V. Vagabov and which is included in the list of the leading peer-reviewed scientific publications of the Higher Attestation Commission of Russia. We open number 1 for the last year and find there an article "ON THE TRACKS OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT RUSSIA" authored by a creative trio composed of Nabiev Rustam Fanisovich,
    Nabieva Zemfira Rustamovna and Mirgalimova Liliya Marselevna. All are employees of the Kazan Law Institute.
    I will allow myself a few quotes from the article.
    The concept of Russian history connects the development of Russian statehood and culture with the process of Christianization of the population. This was the basic idea of ​​the Russian governments and scholars of the tsarist era; therefore, the long process of the formation of Russian Islam was ignored by most historians. The postulate of the inextricability of the concepts of “Russian” and “Orthodox Christian” is laid in public consciousness. However, this statement is not true. In any period of development of Russia (starting from the XNUMXth century), Islam was present in Eastern Europe and influenced Russian culture and nation.
    ... the authors consider it important to note the priority task of domestic historical science: the functioning of a multinational power should be served by supranational history, objectively uniting different cultures. To implement this approach, we use the concept of the North Eurasian world system (CEMC), which allows us to consider the great powers in the CIS as successively replacing each other the stages of development of Eurasian statehood.

    already several times there was information about the discovery by archaeologists of the remains of ancient mosques in different cities of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Unfortunately, in cases where the temple has special political significance, it is difficult to expect an objective determination of its belonging. Such, for example, are the “oddities” of the architecture of the Church of the Intercession on the Nerl, St. Basil’s Cathedral on Red Square in Moscow, and the “Tithe Church” in Kiev.
    Some scholars of Moscow toponymy believe that the name of the Arbat street was formed in the Slavic environment by distorting the Arabic rabat / rubat ^ rapati, one of the meanings of which (in the annals) is a mosque

    It is somewhat strange that local historians do not mention the Bulgarian founders of Moscow and unofficially (but widely enough) recognize its connection with the Finno-Ugric peoples. The reason, as noted by Rashid Kadyrov, may be that in the languages ​​of the Western peoples (studied by Moscow historians) who came into contact with Muscovy, the word Mosque means “mosque”. The recognition of the Finno-Ugric substrate, according to some of the Moscow regional experts, excludes the influence of the Muslim Bulgar.

    So, no less, Moscow is a mosque.
    Mr. Samsonov, in his nearness, decided to adapt the idea of ​​the article to his delirious cycle and did not even understand what he took advantage of.
    But it turns out the official version of the adoption of Christianity in Russia is full of obvious errors.
    Those who wish can familiarize themselves with the new edition of the history of religion in Russia at https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/o-sledah-islama-v-istorii-drevney-rusi
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    2. +4
      17 October 2019 19: 14
      Everything turned out to be much worse than I initially thought. I was misled by controversial, but without obvious quirks, articles like "Pacifying Hungary". Then I looked through the profile again, drove the search. Hyperborea sits on the Russian-Horde empire and drives Islam. Prozorov surpassed, Asov is not yet, but it's not over yet.
      Even worse, our Alexander Samsonov apparently reached the peak of his form and gives out an article every day. Now he can't be stopped
      1. +6
        17 October 2019 20: 45
        Yeah sure wink
      2. +4
        18 October 2019 00: 23
        The main thing is to throw an opinion. Something will remain.
      3. +2
        18 October 2019 15: 15
        We are in pain, because he longs to be read and admired
    3. -6
      17 October 2019 23: 36
      The history of Russia and the Roosian Empire was thoroughly faked and rewritten under Catherine 2, specially created for this purpose by the Academy, which specialized in faking history, falsifications, and provocations.
      And the essence of falsification is to set peoples against each other
      friend, erase the historical memory, replacing it with the fallen in the offices of the Academy.
      There was a huge Confederation, from the borders of Iran to the Urals
      and from the Urals to the Baltic and Poland, which included various independent communities, the Polsko-Lithuanian, Crimean, Veliky Novgorod, Volga Bulgars, Kazan, nomadic Nogaev and Kazakhs, not anywhere else
      mentioned on the lands of the present Ryazan and Murom
      spoiled by the pronunciation of "Ortans, Artans" which
      was Muslim and existed before Peter the Great,
      and under Catherine 2 It was eliminated, but historical monuments still remain. And in Albanian sounds
      "Urtag, Urtaguni" - in the translation "Comrade, Partnership." And actually Caucasian Albania
      which was the catalyst for the emergence of this huge Confederation, and the political center,
      until the aggression of Lame Timur, and the subsequent usurpation of power by Ivan the Terrible. And all the names of ancient cities and many peoples come from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, “Kiev” - from “k4elbyah1” - in Russian there are no sounds, and “kiyab, kebach "-
      in translation "two hills, or elevations."
      Volga Bulgaria - from "barkh, barkhti" - "union, joint" (people). Moscow - from "makhya" - a farm, a village that sounds spoiled in pronunciation
      According to historical memory, “Mokashane” is still called Moscow a large village, because there are still many villages around. And the peoples who lived around
      Meria, Mari, Murom, from the Albanian “Murul” - from which comes the Russian “Man”.
      And in the Russian language a huge number of words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, and Tatar also occurs
      from the language of the Caucasian Albanians and Persian peoples,
      Ancient, Commercial, International, and along with their relatives all inhabitants of Albania owned, which became native to many peoples both in Russia and for its
      outside and all the titles are also from the Albanian language,
      "Khan" - 'from "halal, halasi" - "senior, big".
      "Bek" - from "bek1" - the head of man and all living things.
      “King” - from “tzaiibil” - “first, chief”.
      For instance; Alexander Nevsky was a “caibil” squad
      “Bagiadurs” - in the literal sense of “Warrior, Knight” - from
      which in the Russian language occurred "Blogarodny, Rich, Bogatyr Boyarin." And Alexander Nevsky didn’t go
      somewhere in Mongolia, in the "karakurum" which does not exist,
      and in Kala-Koreysh in Caucasian Albania, the capital of Haidak Usmii, which began from Absheron
      (Baku region) and reached the historical
      “Itil” is “different” in Astrakhan, before the aggression of Lame Timur, which actually exists today, but already abandoned by the inhabitants, with exactly the same tombstones
      Papyatnikami, as in Russia 15 - 16 and later centuries.
      Words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians are also present in Armenian, Semitic, European and Latin languages.
      And Islam by all facts reached the Russian lands earlier than in Dagestan - Caucasian Albania, which is one and the same,
      because the Albanians did not let the Arabs enter their land for more than one hundred and twenty years, and by this time bypassing the Caspian Sea they reached the Volga Bulgars and the Moscow lands.
      And everything says that before the invasion of Lame Timur, the history of the Confederation was interconnected and united, until Ivan the Terrible came to power.
    4. +1
      19 October 2019 01: 19
      Quote: Undecim
      Such, for example, are the “oddities” of the architecture of the Church of the Intercession on the Nerl, St. Basil’s Cathedral on Red Square in Moscow, and the “Tithe Church” in Kiev.

      There are no oddities, they have a clear Eastern influence due to the fact that all the above cathedrals were built to commemorate victories over the "Saracen peoples" or campaigns against them.

      The Church of the Tithes in Kiev is a monument in honor of the victory of the Russians over a horde of Pechenegs who besieged the capital of the Dnieper.

      Church of the Intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary on the Nerl - in honor of the Russian campaign on the Volga Bulgaria and a monument to the son of the prince who died in it and the fallen Russian soldiers;

      "The Cathedral of St. Basil the Blessed", correctly referred to as the Cathedral of the Intercession of the Virgin on the Fortress Moat, is a monument to the victory of Moscow Rus over the Kazan Khanate. It's simple. But all these churches are Orthodox temple buildings, no mosques.
  18. +1
    17 October 2019 21: 20
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    A rare, almost excluded case when I agree with you, Andrei;

    And I!
    1. +2
      17 October 2019 21: 30
      Once again, employees of the historical department of VO are regularly noted here.
      Maybe it makes sense according to the results of the year to arrange a vote on the best author of the historical section?
      We will get some kind of rating and, therefore, feedback from readers. Maybe this will help establish some quality standards for articles in the "historical"?
      Or is it already being done? Or is it likely that the folkhistory will prevail in the vote? But even then you still need to find out the true state of things.
      1. 0
        24 October 2019 15: 32
        if this is the historical department, then I am the president. From the fact that the author is Russ it is Russian (which is actually not so absolutely) I flew into orbit, the roof would go to read this heresy.
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  20. -7
    17 October 2019 23: 35
    The history of Russia and the Roosian Empire was thoroughly faked and rewritten under Catherine 2, specially created for this purpose by the Academy, which specialized in faking history, falsifications, and provocations.
    And the essence of falsification is to set peoples against each other
    friend, erase the historical memory, replacing it with the fallen in the offices of the Academy.
    There was a huge Confederation, from the borders of Iran to the Urals
    and from the Urals to the Baltic and Poland, which included various independent communities, the Polsko-Lithuanian, Crimean, Veliky Novgorod, Volga Bulgars, Kazan, nomadic Nogaev and Kazakhs, not anywhere else
    mentioned on the lands of the present Ryazan and Murom
    spoiled by the pronunciation of "Ortans, Artans" which
    was Muslim and existed before Peter the Great,
    and under Catherine 2 It was eliminated, but historical monuments still remain. And in Albanian sounds
    "Urtag, Urtaguni" - in the translation "Comrade, Partnership." And actually Caucasian Albania
    which was the catalyst for the emergence of this huge Confederation, and the political center,
    until the aggression of Lame Timur, and the subsequent usurpation of power by Ivan the Terrible. And all the names of ancient cities and many peoples come from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, “Kiev” - from “k4elbyah1” - in Russian there are no sounds, and “kiyab, kebach "-
    in translation "two hills, or elevations."
    Volga Bulgaria - from "barkh, barkhti" - "union, joint" (people). Moscow - from "makhya" - a farm, a village that sounds spoiled in pronunciation
    According to historical memory, “Mokashane” is still called Moscow a large village, because there are still many villages around. And the peoples who lived around
    Meria, Mari, Murom, from the Albanian “Murul” - from which comes the Russian “Man”.
    And in the Russian language a huge number of words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians, and Tatar also occurs
    from the language of the Caucasian Albanians and Persian peoples,
    Ancient, Commercial, International, and along with their relatives all inhabitants of Albania owned, which became native to many peoples both in Russia and for its
    outside and all the titles are also from the Albanian language,
    "Khan" - 'from "halal, halasi" - "senior, big".
    "Bek" - from "bek1" - the head of man and all living things.
    “King” - from “tzaiibil” - “first, chief”.
    For instance; Alexander Nevsky was a “caibil” squad
    “Bagiadurs” - in the literal sense of “Warrior, Knight” - from
    which in the Russian language occurred "Blogarodny, Rich, Bogatyr Boyarin." And Alexander Nevsky didn’t go
    somewhere in Mongolia, in the "karakurum" which does not exist,
    and in Kala-Koreysh in Caucasian Albania, the capital of Haidak Usmii, which began from Absheron
    (Baku region) and reached the historical
    “Itil” is “different” in Astrakhan, before the aggression of Lame Timur, which actually exists today, but already abandoned by the inhabitants, with exactly the same tombstones
    Papyatnikami, as in Russia 15 - 16 and later centuries.
    Words from the language of the Caucasian Albanians are also present in Armenian, Semitic, European and Latin languages.
    And Islam by all facts reached the Russian lands earlier than in Dagestan - Caucasian Albania, which is one and the same,
    because the Albanians did not let the Arabs enter their land for more than one hundred and twenty years, and by this time bypassing the Caspian Sea they reached the Volga Bulgars and the Moscow lands.
    And everything says that before the invasion of Lame Timur, the history of the Confederation was interconnected and united, until Ivan the Terrible came to power.
    1. +6
      18 October 2019 00: 16
      The history of Russia and the Roosian Empire was thoroughly faked and rewritten under Catherine 2, specially created for this purpose by the "Academy"
      Usually there is no meaningful discussion with a contingent like you, but it may be possible to get several answers from a representative of the ancient Albanian people.
      As far as I understand, you managed to find an original copy of the history of the Russian Empire, which "Academy" did not get to?
      How could this insidious "Academy", besides the history of the Russian Empire, have been able to forge the history of Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, Byzantium, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Europe, and also influence modern historians around the world?
      And actually Caucasian Albania, which was the catalyst for the emergence of this huge Confederation, and the political center, before the aggression of Lame Timur
      How do you explain the fact that according to the historical documents of the aforementioned countries, by the XIV century, when Timur appeared in the historical arena, such a state as Caucasian Albania did not exist for 600 years? Is that all "Academy" too?
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 15: 19
        Personally, Catherine the Great deleted her
  21. 0
    18 October 2019 00: 18
    There is little difference between Orthodoxy and Orthodoxy. Protestant Muslims of Eastern Europe. In Russia, the saint, in addition to the Glagolitic alphabet, was also in Arabic ... Yes, re-read "Walking across the Three Seas" by Afanasy Nikitin. You will see how easily he switched from Russian prayer to the Koran .. That's just the name Arsania confuses ... In some sources I read it as Artania - or maybe the Horde ... But all the same, the plus sign for the author. Fat ...
  22. +1
    18 October 2019 01: 35
    In an interesting direction, Samsonov suffered ...
    But he always has a series of articles that should convince the reader
    in a certain concept of the author. (Like the mysterious "masters of the West",
    who are twisted by honest people as trusting first graders).
    Now he has taken up religion ... recourse
    I won’t be surprised if he hints that Islam and paganism should be combined
    (Perun + Muhammad = Third Rome?)
    and go victoriously along this still unknown path. fellow We will see good
    1. +2
      18 October 2019 20: 25
      Quote: voyaka uh
      In an interesting direction, Samsonov suffered ...
      But he always has a series of articles that should convince ...... fellow We will see good
      Good evening fellow We once discussed this topic with you. The theme of "versatility" wassat and groups of authors ,,,,, For example, today's article in ANALYTICS. No one condemned her.
      Also, I can not help but recall the author’s article in 2013 Stalin Falcons in China. One of my favorites.
      So, Samsonov, he is very different, a union of different authors of different directions and different styles. lol
  23. +2
    18 October 2019 15: 00
    Old Russian coins up to Ivan the Terrible have either only Arabic inscriptions, or Russian and Arabic together.
    All. This is a killer proof of Islam in Russia. It turns out religion determines commodity-money relations. Ay da Samsonov! Then I have my own version. Religion of Russia Judaism - Khazar tamga is present on the coins of the Rurikovich. That’s the idea for Samsonov’s new article.
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 16: 44
      Kozhinov writes that the kaganate minted counterfeit Arab dinars for use mainly in Eastern Europe, but for the information of the initiates they put a badge on them so as not to be confused with a full-weight coin. I don’t remember what it was called, but it didn’t seem to be "tamga". Tanga-tamga-money-money. "Speak, O son of sin, where 10 tangas are buried." This is something Muslim rather than Khazar. Did the Tatars take over the word? Although, however, given the presence of a strong Muslim diaspora in the kaganate, it is not surprising if the Khazar money was called that. So - did the badge migrate to Russian coinage?
      This should not be left to Samsonov. We learn too much new.
      1. +1
        19 October 2019 06: 50
        but for the attention of the initiates they put a badge on them, so as not to be confused with a full-fledged coin

        I think the merchants of all times and peoples did not need any kind of amazed signs in order to identify an unbalanced or counterfeit coin.
        1. 0
          19 October 2019 12: 00
          Is not a fact. Anything can happen. And when there is a fake coin stream comparable to a full-fledged stream, the trial will cause undue tension among the merchants. And so - all interested parties are completely calm, but absolutely not in the know. Kozhinov cites this as a fact. I believe that in general, it is quite possible to trust him. If in what, perhaps, he is mistaken, then because of the general lack of information about those times, and not from ideological considerations. Or maybe he has absolutely everything right. Serious man.
        2. 0
          20 October 2019 12: 06
          Or vice versa. Burnt merchants instantly determined that the coins marked with such signs can even not be checked with the help of scales - it’s already clear from the badge that there is a deliberate underinvestment of silver in them.
          1. 0
            20 October 2019 12: 23
            I did not quite accurately put it. Fully agreeing with you that traders knew how to determine the content of silver or gold in a coin almost "by eye", cunning traders (and there are no simple-minded traders in principle) would instantly realize that in coins marked with such signs, precious metal was not invested.
      2. 0
        20 October 2019 12: 47
        Kozhinov writes that the Kaganate minted fake Arab dinars

        What is "kaganate minted" ??? It is believed that Arab coins were minted in pieces of 20, or even 30 mints from Afghanistan to Morocco. Before making such statements, Kozhinov should have outlined his vision of the monetary business in the Kaganate.
        Then indicate who, in his opinion, could issue a fake coin.
        What exactly was the "falsity"?
        What else is interesting is that a large mass of Arab coins found in Eastern Europe, including Scandinavia and our northwestern lands, are minted in the most western Arab mints. And coins from the Near and Middle East mints are mainly found from the Lower Volga to Nizhny Novgorod.
        Runic cuts are often found on coins.
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 19: 56
          The "falsity" consisted in the fact that outwardly they copied the Arab coin that was trusted by the population of Eastern Europe, but the internal content, presumably, was lame. If in general there is no mistake here - how else to call the minting of another state's coin? But in general, the monetary business in the Kaganate is really poorly covered by him. In addition to the above fact, now I can not remember anything.
  24. 0
    18 October 2019 19: 01
    Those who retained faith in the old gods were called "filthy" ("pagans").

    The term "paganus" in Latin means "villager", "rustic", from a village or pagusa. The fact that it was he who became synonymous with pagans suggests that, at least for a very long time, Christianity was the religion of the urban. And the "dyarevnya" apparently for a very long time was far from Christianity. So long that the urban villagers began to associate with the pagans.
    An interesting question is when in Russia this Latin term has become synonymous with pagans. Hardly right after the baptism. For if we were baptized by the Greeks, then with respect to the rural population, the Greeks had their own, completely unlike Latin term.
    So, if somewhere in the "chronicles" referring to the 10-14 centuries this expression is found as a synonym for paganism, it is already worth considering when the chronicle was written.
    About Cuyab, Kuyav and so on. Perhaps Kiev is generally far-fetched, only by the coincidence of some sounds, and even in Russian. What city did this or that Arab mean, whose name he wrote down from other people's words (sounds), moreover, recording sounds from right to left, one that Arab knows. And that is not a fact.
  25. +4
    18 October 2019 21: 13
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Many orthodox holidays

    Christianity is based on the Bible, and not on the calendar dates of the holidays.
  26. +4
    19 October 2019 01: 08
    I read and just can not pass by. The material is horrifying with illiteracy, ignorance of basic facts, and it seems to me that the administration should be tied up with such articles (if this was not a joke on Friday evening).

    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    True, with a closer look, it is obvious that there was little holiness in him.

    Again there is already an old bike with the substitution of the notion that the prince was de bad. Yes, he behaved like that, being a pagan! And having accepted Baptism, he has changed so much (this is known from the chronicles) that the clergy and associates even had to force him to apply criminal penalties for serious crimes.

    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    So, we see that before the official baptism of Rus, the Rus-Kievites were Judaists (obviously, the Khazar community, very influential in Kiev), Christians, Muslims and pagans. That is, Muslims were present in Kiev even before the official baptism of Russia.
    Well this is just a complete akhtung. Confusion of the concepts of "Rusa" (ethnonym) and "inhabitant of Kiev" So, Kiev, probably founded by the Ostrogoths and revived by the Slavs, very quickly became a trading post. But there is no evidence that the Russians (ethnically Scandinavians, partially mixed with the Balts and Slavs) accepted other faiths from real scientists. Yes, there were Jews, there were various pagans, there were even Orthodox Christians from Byzantium. But Muslims appeared there not earlier than the 8th century, and precisely as merchants from the Baghdad Caliphate.

    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    It is interesting that Christian tombstones appear in Russia only at the end of the 15th century. Prior to this, the graves of Christians and pagans are difficult to distinguish, they were no different.
    The author is apparently not at all familiar with the archeology of Ancient Russia and Moscow Russia, right? He does not know that the CARDINAL difference between the grave of a pagan Rusich and a Rusich Christian was the presence of corpse burning and corpse?!?

    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    In the south-west of Russia, Christianity began to penetrate into the people only under the influence of Poland, around the 14th century.
    The author clearly does not know the dynamics of the development of Christianity in Russia. 12-13 centuries - this is the heyday of temple architecture, there is no talk of any paganism! And just after "Batyev's finding" comes a temporary extinction of culture and even a return to paganism in some areas. Which is just being overcome with the beginning of the revival of Moscow Rus and Lithuanian Rus from the beginning to the middle of the 14th century.

    If the author answers even this, we continue, there is still a lot of interesting things.
    1. 0
      24 October 2019 15: 29
      What nafig rusichi? At that time it was the Slavs, and the Russians (as the author falsely claims to be Russian) are generally Scandinavians, they were called by the Romans, and the author of the article writes heresy in truth.
  27. +1
    19 October 2019 09: 26
    Autumn was falling ... Atmospheric pressure was leaping ... Outside the window, it was raining, then the sun ...
  28. 0
    19 October 2019 12: 17
    In general - many bombed ..)
    Py.Sy. The adoption of Christianity was a political decision.
    Py.Py.Sy. Someone bombed again ..)
  29. 0
    20 October 2019 11: 38
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

    Yes, that's exactly it; in the surviving even Russian documents, the era of Prince Vladimir is called "kagan"

    You would give a couple of photocopies of "surviving documents from the era of Prince Vladimir." And then you get some kind of lightweight argument. And so it would be a concrete substantive conversation.
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    But the title did not take root, in Russia and in relation to the lords of the Russian land, it was used only at the end of the 10-the very beginning of the 11 century; by the middle of the 11 century, it disappears from documents that have reached us.

    And these (documents that survived to us of the 10th and 11th centuries), too.
    1. +4
      20 October 2019 12: 18
      Something stuck you on the title "kagan" laughing

      Since the 18 centuries, the heads of the Russian Empire, for example, were simultaneously called sovereigns (the original Slavic term), tsars (derived from part of the Roman title Octavian Augustus Caesar) and emperors (originally the supreme commander in Rome) and nothing - they responded.

      The fact that the Grand Dukes of Russia for some time were simultaneously called Hagan (borrowing from the eastern neighbor - the Khazar Haganate) means only one thing - the heads of state Ruska simply indicated their level on a par with the rulers of a neighboring state.
  30. -1
    20 October 2019 12: 00
    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
    Vladimir took the title "kagan" in defiance of the Khazar kaganate. Confirmed by Western sources.

    Announce the whole list, pzhzhzhzhalsta !!! In the sense of a list of Western sources.
    And further. Now, if purely theoretically, imagine that if you even find at least one such "source", then do you want to tell, and from where some "Western source" could "know for sure" whether in spite of the "Khazar Kaganate" Vladimir "took the" title of Kagan or into a worm. Or tambourines? Was he a "Western source" sitting in Prince Vladimir's head or scanning his thoughts at a distance?
    1. 0
      23 October 2019 20: 15
      Well, of course, in the tambourines! Glorious beyond the mountains. Moreover, it is recommended to walk with them. But I still think (crossed myself) that you are too strict just for a sloppy phrase. The correct comment looks something like this:
      "Vladimir accepted the title of kagan as a sign of the continuity of power over Kiev, which was dependent on the Khazar kagan, approximately from the same considerations as the Grand Prince of Moscow adopted the title of kings after the collapse of the Golden Horde - as an indication that the kagan is not sitting in Itila, and Kiev (it's no secret that in Russia the khans of the Golden Horde were called "kings" - well, of course, from the Latin caesar. Before that, in Russia, Byzantine emperors were called tsars.) This fact is confirmed in Western chronicles, mentioning, for example, about the arrival of ambassadors from the Kiev kagan. "
      It seems to me that in order to catch a certain pattern here, it is not necessary to scan the mental astral plane. Prince Vladimir. And so it is more or less clear. As for the specific links - I see that you have a discussion on this matter with Mikhail Matyugin. Yes, it would be nice to find. Now, right, once. I sew up for work. I'll try it on occasion.
  31. 0
    21 October 2019 09: 03
    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
    I don’t know, maybe at historical faculties they taught

    It is unlikely. When faculties of history appeared in universities (not only ours, but all over the world), they taught only what had already been legalized and established by the founding fathers (by the way, who did not even have a remote historical education, but "who came down to everything with their own minds") , who, in turn, viewed the entire Ancient History through the prism of the Bible, adjusting the entire chronology to it, establishing the sequence of successive kingdoms in accordance with the revelation of the prophet Daniel.
    After 1917, in our domestic historical faculties, despite the officially accepted scientific atheism in the country and the denial of bourgeois values, the entire version of Ancient and Medieval history was presented, as in bourgeois countries, based on the Bible. But in a more difficult version, since it seems to be a counterbalance to the general clerical-bourgeois concept of history, because they understood that they were teaching not the progressive Soviet version of history, but the whole clerical-bourgeois version, which is also taught in imperialist countries, at our historical faculties the taught material was still fairly fertilized with Marxism-Leninism. For example, if in relation to the uprising, for example, Spartak, a Western student needed to know the reasons, then our student needed to remember that the uprising was logical and progressive, and its reasons were solely due to the decomposition of the slave system (with quotes from the works F. Engels).
  32. 0
    21 October 2019 09: 57
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

    In general, the Author clearly does not know the dynamics of the development of Christianity in Russia. 12-13 centuries - this is the heyday of temple architecture, there is no talk of any paganism! And just after "Batyev's finding" comes a temporary extinction of culture and even a return to paganism in some areas. Which is just being overcome with the beginning of the revival of Moscow Rus and Lithuanian Rus from the beginning to the middle of the 14th century.

    If the author answers even this, we continue, there is still a lot of interesting things.

    Seal’s colleague, you know him, who’s gone somewhere (didn’t he get sick), already gave analysis, recalling that in
    The approved Certificate of 1613 has a section telling about the origin and formation of the Russian State.
    Yes, Batu is already mentioned in it. But in what context!
    And most importantly, there are neither Tatars nor Mongols. And just a "horde."
    So, here is the place we are interested in:
    “According to the great sovereign Vladimir Manamakh, I took the scepter of the Russian kingdom of kingdom, his son the great prince Yuri Vladimirovich Dolgoruky, and piety prosiya, and all the peasantry in peace and quiet.
    According to it, a congress at the Russian state in Volodimer, his son the prince the great Vsevolod Yuryevich, a champion of piety and a strong champion for the holy churches, and about the holy Orthodox peasant vrya.
    According to Vsevolod, the scepter of the Russian state contains the son of his prince the great Yaroslav Vsevolodich, he himself will observe God from Batu in Veliky Novograd and with his children and after capturing the godless Batu, the holy and immaculate peasant faith are distributed and renewed by the holy churches.
    According to him, the Great Russian State will be taken by the scepter, his son, the brave prince the great Alexander Yaroslavich, who, like Germans, show the glorious victory on the Neva, and on the godly faith of the godless Berkai tsar, the beastly wrath in the horde of tame and glorified God’s miracle after death. ”
    And what do we see?
    The first one. Our ancestors wrote in 1613: “..when the godless Batu was captured, the holy and immaculate peasant faith was spread and the holy churches renew the packs,” that is, they still remembered that the godless Batu was captured, after which Yaroslav Vsevolodovich “spread the holy and immaculate peasant faith and renew the holy churches of Paki. ” It is a pity, it is not specified when and who Batu was captured. You can, of course, interpret it so that it was not Batu who was captured, but the Russian Land was captured by him. But then it was painfully some kind of short “captivity” that Yaroslav Vsevolodovich himself caught the end of this captivity. And not just caught, but managed to work hard to eliminate the consequences of "captivity", namely, the Christian faith spread, and updated the church. Such things are not done in a short time.

    There you have it, no beginning to mid-14th century. Yaroslav Vsevolodovich was still engaged in this.
  33. -1
    24 October 2019 15: 26
    I advise you to see Klim Zhukov on this topic. And yes, the Russians were not Russians at all, but the Scandinavians, our ancestors then were Slavs. So the author for such a lie that the Russians are Russian-to count.
  34. 0
    26 October 2019 21: 24
    History has been redrawn many times, and today it is difficult to take for granted anything different from classical school history.
    However, there is an interesting fact: Byzantium professed the Tengrian religion before the adoption of Christianity. Tengrianism was dominant in the vastness of Eurasia thanks to the powerful nomads of the Huns, the forerunners of the Turks. And it was natural for a person of the early Middle Ages to associate this power with religion.
    However, Christianity soon came to Byzantium. And Byzantium passed the Tengrian cross, altar and psalms to Christianity. And the Christian signs of the fish and the lamb were replaced by a cross.
    In multiconfessional Russia, Christianity occupied a niche, but Islam and polytheism felt at home there.
    Thus, tolerance in Russia has ancient roots and this is a strong connecting quality, which many countries envy.
  35. 0
    30 November 2019 22: 55
    I decided to wave my fists a little after the fight. There was a discussion about this article - there was a flyby around Moscow with an icon in 1941 or not. Opinions are divided. But here is a small reference (took a fragment :)

    From a worldview point of view, Stalin undoubtedly presents himself as a leader of an ideological type. However, rationalism also played a crucial role in his politics. To save the country, Stalin went on to build relations with the toughest ideological enemies - a non-aggression pact was signed with fascist Germany, and allied relations with Great Britain and the USA in the war against Germany and Japan. At the same time, judging by the individual steps of the Soviet leader, he remained a believing Orthodox Christian. This can be confirmed by the circumnavigation of Moscow with the icon of the Kazan Mother of God on the most critical days of 1941 or the restoration of the patriarchate in the USSR for the first time in three hundred years after its abolition by Peter the Great. Today, some historians are trying to explain these steps with fear of the threat of the capture of the capital by Nazi troops. However, it must be recalled that if Stalin had not been a believer, he would not have spent the most difficult days spending resources on rituals, especially with an atheistic environment. So Stalin can safely be classified as ideological rationalists.
    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/53850 - ресурс вроде серьезный.