"Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe

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I came back from Arcona
Where the fields of blood rust
But German banners
They don’t blow under the walls.

Torn to pieces to pieces
We paid the debt to the Germans
And now they came to slap
You shaved by the Humens!
A.K. Tolstoy. Borivoy (1870)




On the foundation of Slavic civilization


Secrets of ancient Rus. In II millennium BC e. Slavonic Russian clans and tribes occupied a vast area of ​​Western Europe. It was a real "Slavic Atlantis." A whole civilization with hundreds of cities and shrines, a developed economy, crafts and trade. In fact, the “German world” was created by Catholic Rome on the foundation of a ruined Slavic civilization, the memory of which they tried to erase and forget.

"Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe

Sventovit. K. Vasiliev. Sventovit, or Svyatovit - the god of war and victory among the Western Slavs-Rus, the main god of the inhabitants of the island of Ruyan-Rugen and the surrounding lands, his statue stood in the sanctuary of the city of Arkon


At the beginning of our era, our ancestors began to be squeezed by the so-called. Germanic tribes. Then the "onslaught of the North and East" led Rome. The bloody battle lasted until the XII century, when the crusaders finally broke the resistance of the western ethnocultural core of the superethnos of the Rus. Some of the Rus were physically destroyed; some were catholicized, Germanized and completely assimilated, the Slavs became “Germans -“ dumb ”; part fell into a dependent position and gradually almost lost its language and culture, like Luzhic people (Luga Serbs). Part of the Rus went east, to Prussia-Porussia, Lithuania, Ladoga and Novgorod. So the family of Prince Rurik-Sokol began to rule in Northern Russia, and then in Kiev, created the empire of the Rurikovich.

Present-day Germany stands on Slavic bones. Berlin is a distorted name of the ancient city of Slavic Slavs founded in the 1st millennium BC. e., translated “burlin” - “dam”. According to another version, this is the city of "bera" - a bear. And the "bear-bear" is the totem animal of Lord Navi, the underworld - Veles-Volos. Oldenburg is Slavic Starograd (Starigrad), Demmin is Dymin, Mecklenburg is Ragog-Rerik (later Mikulin Bor), Schwerin is Zverin, Ratzenburg is Ratibor (city of warriors), Brandenburg is Branibor, Dresden is Drozdyany, Leipzig is Lipsk, Lipsk, Breslau - Breslavl, Roslau - Rusislav, Chemnitz - Kamenitsa, Meissen - Mishno, Rostock - this is Rostock. Many other German cities also retained Slavic roots - Lübeck (Lübech), Teter, Lübben, Torgau, Ross, etc. Austria is the Slavic principality of Ostria, Vienna is the Slavic Vindeboz.

Dominance of the Western Version of World History


In modern Europe, you can find thousands of traces of the destroyed Slavic-Russian civilization. Our ancestors left them in their habitats. Those who are called Slavs, Slavs, Slavs, Wends, Wends, Venets and simply Rus. Europe since ancient times was a part of Russian civilization. Just erased the memory of it. The German-Roman world could not allow the Slavs, Russians to be their full brothers and neighbors. Therefore, in the West they created the image of a “wild Slav” that crawled out of the marshes of Polesye, did not know the letter and “prayed to the stumps”. The same myth in its interests was supported by the church (and still supports) and the Romanov dynasty, in which the "Russian classical" historical the school was created by the Germans. Lomonosov, Tatishchev, Klassen and other Russian ascetics tried to fight this theory, but in general it continues to dominate until our days.

Obviously, this situation is associated with the dominance of pro-Western ideology in the ruling elite of Russia. When the first language for representatives of the "elite" was first German and French, and now English. For Westerners, everything Russian is backward, copying and borrowing from Europe. Western Europe is “enlightenment and civilization”, Russia is “savagery and backwardness”. Russia is the cultural periphery of enlightened Western civilization, and not a separate distinctive civilization-world. It is clear that with such a system of views it is impossible, in principle, to recognize the antiquity and priority of the Rus. Hence the generally accepted picture: Rome, Paris, Berlin and London are the pillars of world civilization, and Russia is stumps, a swamp and a club.

Europe - Russian House


Toponymy (a science that studies geographical names, their origin) remembers a lot. Historical chronicles, annals can be destroyed, distorted, rewritten or supplemented. But it is impossible to reinterpret the thousands of names of cities, settlements, rivers, lakes, forests, mountains, etc. It is impossible to completely change the language of the people.

In particular, the current Germans are not historical "Germans." The Germans themselves call themselves "Deutsche", and their country is "Deutschland." Where did the ethnonym "Germans" come from? And what does he mean? Roman authors called the northern barbarians “Germans” or, more precisely, “Germans”, followed by later medieval chronicles that they wrote in Latin. Did they mean by the "Germans" of the current "Deutsche"? No. Since then, the Deutsche Germans simply did not live on the territory of Central Europe, on the lands of present-day Germany and Austria. Slavs, Rus, our ancestors lived there. Known in history as Venets, Wends, who, in the corrected medieval chronicles, turned into Germanic vandals.

This clearly shows the place names of Europe. It is interesting that when Hitler and his entourage tried to prove the “primacy” of the Aryan-Germans, to get to the bottom of their “ancient” roots, they found that German cities and settlements were on Slavic foundations. There was no "Ancient Germany", which was painted by German-Roman researchers. Some medieval sources that did not manage to be destroyed or buried in the archives of the Vatican, such as the "Slavic Kingdom" of Mavro Orbini, directly report that Slavic Russian tribes settled Europe.

Why did the Romans call the northern barbarians "Germans"? For them, at that time everything was simple and clear. They called their northern neighbors according to one of their self-names. Adding only the word "mana" - people. That is, "ger people", or "people calling themselves" ger "." The word "Herr Herr", that is, "man, man, master," the Germans appeared relatively late. In addition, it turns out an explicit tautology "people-people", which educated historians-Romans could not afford.

The word "ger" itself has a Russian basis - "yar-, ar-", that is, "ardent", yari, bright "(hence the" arias "). In medieval Latin as Roman Latin, the word "yar" is transformed as "ger". For example, the Slavic deity Yarovit was recorded as "Gerovita." Thus, it turns out “yar-people”, or “people” who called themselves “yar, yari-arias”. This is the self-name of our ancestors, who in the II millennium BC. e. moved south to Hindustan, gave the Indo-European-Aryan population of Indian civilization. Hitler’s ideologists tried to show “Deutsche” “true Aryans”, but the problem is that Germany stands on Slavic Russian bones and blood. For Russians, direct descendants of the “Yaris,” no translation of this ethnonym is needed. “Ardent”, “Fury”, “Furious”, “Yaril”, “Yarilo”. "Bo-yarin" - "big ardent."

Over two thousand years, much has changed in Europe. Rus Slavs were driven out to the east or assimilated. They were replaced by other nations, younger ones, including the Deutsche Germans. The huge "Slavic Atlantis" disappeared, most of the Slavic Russians were assimilated, adopted a foreign language, faith, lifestyle. Many of today's Germans or Austrians are Slavs by origin. The place names of Europe, the language, albeit in a distorted form, are kept by Slavic Russian roots.

Thus, the “onslaught to the East” process is one of the most complicated historical processes. And it lasts more than one millennium. The western core of the superethnos of the Russians was partially destroyed in wars, partially assimilated, some were pushed to the east. So the Varangians-Rus founded the Rurik dynasty, the so-called. Old Russian state. However, the West failed to completely destroy the Rus. The eastern core of Russian civilization has stood, created in its development the empire of the Rurikovich, the Russian-Horde Empire ("The myth of the" Mongols from Mongolia in Russia "is the most grandiose and monstrous provocation of the Vatican; Why created the myth of the "Mongol" invasion), The Russian kingdom, the Romanov empire, the Red empire ... This has happened more than once. The Russians always gather strength, restore their state, empire-power.
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  1. +14
    25 October 2019 06: 20
    Amya thought what Samsonov was doing, two straightforward almost adequate articles came out at once, and he prepared what belay
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      1. +6
        25 October 2019 06: 43
        I have something for Europe on the drum .. Although a Slav .. But Alaska and California feel sorry for them .. There, too, on Slavic bones .. what belay
        1. +1
          25 October 2019 06: 50
          But Alaska and California feel sorry
          Sane people also live in Alaska and California and in "Europe", but there are still few of them, I would like to have more, but this requires work, and a lot of work.
          1. +17
            25 October 2019 12: 20
            Wow, POWERFUL! What is a banned author consuming? Here, however, it covered !!! laughing
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    3. +1
      25 October 2019 12: 36
      Eeeeeh ... maybe so, but the result is that the main Russian state is in decline, the neighbors of the Slavs, except Belarusians, are opposed to Russia. Remains proud of a fictional past?
    4. 0
      25 October 2019 17: 16
      He did not have adequate articles ... he has prophetic dreams to be filmed, so he rolls them))
  2. -8
    25 October 2019 06: 26
    Well, what can we say about this article - I think the article is quite strong, it is not for nothing that it contains a link to the previous record-breaking article: ""The myth of" the Mongols from Mongolia in Russia"And" Why did they create the myth of the "Mongol" invasion "is the most grandiose and monstrous provocation of the Vatican" in which a lot of readers' opinions were expressed. And now I hope that this new study will also not leave the attention of readers. Some moments before in general, the terminology of the "Slavic-Rus" type introduced by Yegor Klassen or the more modern term "Slavic-Aryans" will undoubtedly cause an explosion of indignation, which is already common for this site, but in this case it is necessary to understand that any language is not perfect and it is simply not realistic to choose the best term I myself also noticed a few, in my opinion, inaccuracies in the sense of the interpretation of terms, but not very fundamental ones, questions will arise, I will explain.
    1. -3
      29 October 2019 21: 14
      "first of all, the terminology of the" Slavic-Rus "type introduced by Yegor Klassen or the more modern term" Slavic-Aryans "will undoubtedly cause an explosion of indignation already common for this site"
      I do not presume to say anything about the Slavic-Aryans, but the Slavs and the Russians are two completely separate people! ...
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  5. +28
    25 October 2019 07: 12
    And these people are laughing at the ancient Ukrainians !?

    Ancient Rus go to the fair in Berlin. 12500 BC
    1. -9
      25 October 2019 07: 34
      And these people are laughing at the ancient Ukrainians !?
      And what is your serious inferiority complex? You need to treat your nerves and not be naughty here on the site.
      1. +6
        25 October 2019 07: 42
        Hello, Vyacheslav! Long time ago you did not please us with your historical research on the field of the struggle for the history of the superethnos. In the morning - it’s the most invigorating and energizing.
        As for the inferiority complex, do not be rude to people in the morning, in extreme cases - look in the mirror.
        1. -12
          25 October 2019 07: 53
          As for the inferiority complex, do not be rude to people in the morning, in extreme cases ..
          I see that you got out of hand here, we need to work harder. It's a pity I didn't find time before. And about rudeness - so it is to the point, here such a growth is growing, "Mom, do not worry." I see serious flaws in this regard. It is a pity that very few people can replace me so far, it is necessary to prepare a shift, and for this to work, work and work again, that is, explain here to people what the mercenaries of the State Department and their modern, little-changeable manuals are. So I'm looking at a lot of serious work here!
          1. -1
            26 October 2019 03: 33
            "Mama do not cry". I see serious flaws in this regard. It's a pity that very few people can replace me so far, we need to prepare a shift, and for this to work, work and work again

            The one and only and irreplaceable, are you serious? Well, "work, work and work again" - "work gives freedom", so it seems it was written on the famous gate. Just don't take too much on yourself, you can overstrain. And there are no irreplaceable people, as Stalin once said. So do not be discouraged, there will be a replacement for you, we have enough stubborn inadequacies in Russia, well, do not keep them all in the "yellow house". hi
            1. +1
              26 October 2019 08: 02
              we have enough persistent inadequacies in Russia
              Have you already attributed yourself to the adequacy? Please tell me on what basis is this? Maybe you have a certificate in this regard, then submit it to her, please.
              1. -1
                26 October 2019 08: 15
                Help, you probably have it, do not judge people by yourself. smile
                1. -2
                  26 October 2019 13: 54
                  don't judge people by yourself
                  “Do not judge and you will not be judged” - I don’t remember that I had any questions for you, I here on the site “talked” with an undisguised foreign agent, and you immediately got in. Don't accidentally tell me for what purpose? I didn’t judge you, but you started to judge me, while still thinking to accuse me of this sin. As far as I understand, this phenomenon is called chutzpah in Yiddish. Did I understand you correctly here? Where did you come from here on the military patriotic site and who really are you?
                  1. -2
                    26 October 2019 17: 15
                    I here on the site "talked" with an undisguised foreign agent, and you immediately got in. Don't accidentally tell me for what purpose


                    It's hard for me to take seriously the paranoid nonsense about "foreign agents on the site", I'm not a psychiatrist to professionally deal with persons suffering from persecution mania. What foreign agents need you here, who is interested in you, you are nobody and there is no way to call you.
                    "Military-patriotic site" - it must be the same! From what naphthalene closet you crawled out and who gave you the right to talk about patriotism in general. Such as you speculated at one time before the collapse of the great country, and now here you are trying to carry crazy dregs.
                    As far as I understand, this Yiddish phenomenon is called hutspa. Did I understand you correctly here? Where did you come from here on the military patriotic website and who are you really?

                    I don’t have any idea how or what is called in Yiddish; you better know laughing , in our village there are no Jews and no one to ask. request
                    And I took, of course, not from that charitable institution, where you most likely came from.
                    I wish you success on the patriotic front in the fight against the machinations of foreign agents! laughing
                    1. -3
                      26 October 2019 17: 28
                      "Military-patriotic site" - it must be the same! What kind of naphthalene closet did you crawl out of .. The way you speculated at one time before the collapse of the Great Country ..
                      If there are no Jews in your village, is that a sufficient condition for throwing mud at my country and my country? According to the sea "nickname" as I understand the village is on the shore. Or am I wrong? Here is your post:
                      The only and irreplaceable, are you serious?
                      There is no hope for you, you are here on the site began to defend the professional troll, and now decided to dump in the bushes. Do not hope to fail. For your words, I hope you have to answer, do not loosen. It will take its time.
                      1. -3
                        26 October 2019 18: 48
                        I would ask you to clarify which country, when and how I "muddied". "Marine nickname" and "village on the shore" which side to this conversation? But I, in general, guess and slightly disappoint you, my village is not a kibbutz and is located on the shore of a pond in the Ryazan region, so here - by.
                        There is no hope for you,

                        And rightly so, I am not a doctor, I have a different military specialty and is very far from charity.
                        You are here on the site began to defend the professional troll, and now decided to dump in the bushes. Not

                        So laughing Now Nikolaich has turned from a "foreign agent" into a "troll", you will somehow settle down in the definitions, otherwise it turns out frivolously, such a responsible person, but you give out mutually exclusive definitions. By the way, this "troll-agent" knows and can do much more than you, together with all the "hurray-patriots". Yes, and about "dumping in the bushes" - from whom to dump, from clowns do not dump, laugh at them. bully
                        For your words, I hope you have to answer, do not loosen. It will take its time.

                        Once again, you have beguiled a right angle with the boiling point: the times of the NKVD have sunk into oblivion, as if someone did not want to return them. And your time is long gone, it will never take anything.
                        Swallow bromine and go to bed. hi
                      2. -1
                        26 October 2019 19: 00
                        You again got a right angle with the boiling point:
                        This is "Undecim" - do you have "Nikolaich"? Open your eyes, what this fool knows, and what is he doing today on Shpakovsky's article? Maybe you already have Shpakovsky = God? Amusing, you won’t say anything. Well, you’re friends, you won’t say anything. And now on the case: What are your specific claims against the author of this article, only friendly relations with "Nikolaich"? And what about the case, or just forgot to take bromine? I look forward to an explanation.
                      3. -4
                        26 October 2019 20: 14
                        My friends are sane and knowledgeable people. And it does not make sense to tell you something about this, whose opinion does not interest me in the least, is yours.
                        And I'm not talking with the author, but with you, the author, I have long ago expressed everything.
                        I look forward to an explanation.

                        Well, wait, wait ... if it becomes completely unbearable ... I hope you have to run close there? laughing
                      4. 0
                        26 October 2019 20: 23
                        My friends are sane and knowledgeable people
                        And then you will have to run, what I do is run, I live in my country, and your friends are probably sane in something, for example, in bubble, well, they don't know this topic from the word at all, although they may really play a fool. Like this! As they say: "Tell me who your friend is ..." etc. And your knowledge in this area is completely at zero, I recently talked with a person from Syria - or knows a lot more, but he really is thoroughly sane, not like your "friends", and that is probably by mistake.
                      5. -3
                        26 October 2019 20: 56
                        I don’t know about their "dough", I don’t look into someone else’s pocket, and I have enough of mine.
                        talked with a person from Syria - or knows a lot more, but he is really thoroughly sane, not like your "friends",

                        Well. God help you with your friend from Syria, he, of course, knows u. After that, there’s nothing to talk about. Dare - the flag in your hands.
                      6. -1
                        26 October 2019 21: 24
                        I don’t look in someone else’s pocket ..
                        And it is a pity, sometimes it is necessary to look into the "someone else's" pocket, as it were. I, like everyone, also cannot blame, I recall our leading academician B.A. Rybakov, my brains soared all my life, but when I retired, I felt the approach ... then I immediately recognized that the Scythians-chipped, in fact, are the Russians and no one else ... So, before the inevitable people often open up, there are many such examples. But he is an academician, it is almost forgivable for him, because academicians can only be stripped of his title "suddenly" and they all know about it. And smaller, though the most outstanding honest historians for today, I have one, so too afraid to say too much .... I once asked why they are so well aware of the current situation and, perfectly aware of all the nonsense that rushes from all cracks, will not come up with their authoritative initiative. The answer was simple: all of you should be engaged in this; even the most authoritative specialists cannot roll this heavy stone. And you specifically are fiddling with all your foolishness, without having the slightest idea defending the position of outspoken and professional swindlers. Why not look: And what for this "figure", who never told the truth in his life, defends this nonsense with such persistence, and not in his own country. Is it still NOT SEE !!! So live as you want, but please do not water my country with mud, I will not let you do this!
      2. +1
        28 October 2019 14: 41
        This is not an inferiority complex. This is a deliberate desire to defame, ridicule, mock, boo and trample the roots of Russian self-awareness. Those who scorn the article, albeit a little simplely stated, - these individuals have no idea what the call of the ancestors is, they deny us the possibility of our self-respect. Gentlemen "academicians", Samsonov not only writes for you, but constantly and methodically reminds of the need to search for and find a civilizational basis for the Russian people. And the more he will infuriate the "smart guys" - I don’t, the better.
    2. +14
      25 October 2019 08: 31
      Of course, you can laugh, but it is from such fantasies that the Ukrainian regiment "Azov" has grown. Neo-Nazis take this nonsense at face value.
      1. +1
        25 October 2019 22: 52
        Tell me - if "Azov" grew out of these myths, then why then are they fighting against Russia - the last fragment and stronghold of the Rus superpower according to these legends? Have they sold themselves to the West?
        1. +1
          28 October 2019 08: 59
          I hope a rhetorical question?
          Why be surprised if almost all the former republics of the USSR are our enemies, one way or another. There was neo-Nazism in Russia, but it did not take root. He splits our society into "people" and "non-people". Suffice it for an adherent of "Azov" to say that Russian is a "subhuman", and there is no need to explain much, and here is a ready warrior of "light".
          1. +3
            28 October 2019 15: 15
            No. It is quite real.
            The fact that you say everything is clear, but if this mythology claims that there was a centuries-old confrontation between the West and the Rusichs, then how is the idea of ​​the Natsiks possible?
            But I know how. They took the top of this myth and changed it, saying that Ukraine-Russia was fighting the Horde. But what happened in Europe? They don’t really know. So there were Natsik. But their idea is bottomless.
      2. +2
        29 October 2019 12: 14
        Well, do not drink water. She drinks a lot of scum. Refuse according to your logic.
    3. +8
      25 October 2019 08: 31
      And mammoths, packed in the wrong place, are driven away to the parking lot.
    4. +3
      25 October 2019 12: 25
      Painting "Have arrived!"
    5. +2
      25 October 2019 17: 34
      A familiar "picture" and a familiar picture.
      It remains to understand what these mammoths ate. Probably prana.
      1. 0
        25 October 2019 18: 22
        It remains to be seen whether the trunk can serve as a nadi for feeding the chakra.
        1. 0
          25 October 2019 18: 35
          Probably not. The connectors are different, "non-linkable".
          1. +2
            25 October 2019 18: 43
            It’s hard to say if Prapanchasara Tantra would help, but I don’t have much Sanskrit, I can confuse something.
    6. 0
      25 October 2019 22: 40
      Quote: Undecim
      And these people are laughing at the ancient Ukrainians !?

      Ancient Rus go to the fair in Berlin. 12500 BC


      What's wrong? Every day I see this picture in the window. 2019 year. Maybe the planet is wrong?
    7. +3
      25 October 2019 23: 20
      Quote: Undecim
      And these people are laughing at the ancient Ukrainians !?

      Ancient Rus go to the fair in Berlin. 12500 BC

      No, take it earlier ...
      1. +5
        26 October 2019 00: 10
        Well, earlier, earlier.
  6. +7
    25 October 2019 07: 48
    "For Westerners, everything Russian is backward, a copy and borrowing from Europe. Western Europe is" enlightenment and civilization, "Russia is" savagery and backwardness. Russia is the cultural periphery of an enlightened Western civilization, and not a separate distinctive civilization-world. "
    Vyacheslav! To write this, you have to be aware, right? But the author clearly does not know English, well, except that he translates through Google. Because if he had read at least the books of the Osprey publishing house, as well as the publishing houses of American universities - and I advise you the same - he would not have written this. That is, he uses the writings of our journalists who have a social order as a source to show that "they are bad." And the journalists there ... have the same order. And an obscene situation arises who will "smother" whom. But it is impossible to draw information from journalistic "mud pouring". This is, again, pouring water on the mill ... of the "social order". You need to read what they write there not for ... (the word denoting draft animals, in VO is prohibited), but for people who make decisions. By the way, Osprey is taught from the books at the Sandhurst Academy ...
    1. +7
      25 October 2019 08: 15
      Horses mixed in a bunch, people ... laughing
      1. -9
        25 October 2019 08: 25
        Horses mixed in a bunch, people ..
        And you can be more specific, otherwise your articles are somehow insipid, with obvious reservations. I try to ask everything on the occasion: have you read at least something from Mavro Orbini, otherwise it is not clear which country you are in now. After all, Peter, who "The Great", forced him to print his works in the first place, but, unfortunately, the infa never reached you, apparently the information from the primary sources did not "enter the vein", and you set a different task for yourself, perhaps more paid ....
        1. +11
          25 October 2019 08: 46
          More specifically: fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey.
          otherwise your articles are kind of bland

          My articles are not fresh, but specifically scientific, without chauvinistic fumes and theatrical wringing of hands.
          The escalation of Istria does not lead to good.
          1. -4
            25 October 2019 09: 12
            My articles are not fresh, but specifically scientific ..
            And where did you find it scientific? You could not even make out the etymology of the word "Slavs". Is this such a new scientific approach? So what about the work of Mavro Orbini? He has a huge list of primary sources. Isn't this an example of a scientific approach? That you are not acting like a child here, perhaps what kind of "education" you have managed to get, if not something more. How can you explain such a "scientific" character? Something I suspect that here does not smell like trivial scientificity, but frankly and clearly a certain tendentiousness. Try to refute such an accusation even now!
            1. +7
              25 October 2019 10: 11
              Vyacheslav
              you have nothing to do?
              I can also ask you: have you read all the historiography about the history of the Slavs? In your own style I will answer: when you read, come talk.
              You could not even make out the etymology of the word "Slavs".

              Everything in the article on VO "The Origin of the Slavs".
              What a strange approach: they will read one book in their life and begin to troll, talk about everything in a row.
              End of communication hi
              1. -9
                25 October 2019 11: 45
                .. you read the whole historiography about the history of the Slavs? .. What a strange approach: they will read one book in their life and begin to troll, talk about everything in a row ..
                Can we still read different books with you? This is also possible. And how is it that I, a fan of linguistics, did not manage to find in your articles the etymological component of the word "Slavs", because this is the basis, the fundamental principle of the whole story. I confess that I myself am still fascinated by this topic and there are many variants of the origin of this term. But in all cases this term should not be considered as a self-name, but still a foreign-language nickname, hence my specific claims. As for Mavro Orbini, I still have not received any intelligible answer to my request, so I continue to consider this topic from your side to be blurred and not disclosed. So you can study this topic for as long and a lot as you like, but it will still smell like a tendentious orientation. I advise all the same it is expedient to consider the various versions and not to get hung up on one tendentious waste paper and spread sky-high in mass circulations, well, just like the "Gulag Archipelago" by Solzhenitsyn. Somehow I imagine that it is worth focusing on the analysis of various and more or less serious versions in this topic, which is quite relevant for us and our site.
                1. +3
                  26 October 2019 01: 43
                  A. Samsonov: the word "Herr Herr", that is, "man, man, lord," the Germans appeared relatively late. In addition, it turns out an explicit tautology "people-people", which educated historians-Romans could not afford.
                  The word "ger" itself has a Russian basis - "yar-, ar-", that is, "ardent", yari, bright "(hence the" arias "). In medieval Latin as Roman Latin, the word "yar" is transformed as "ger". For example, the Slavic deity Yarovit was recorded as "Gerovita." Thus, it turns out "yar-people", or "people" who called themselves "yar, yari-arias"

                  Sorry, but how then do the Armenians, too, in your opinion, turn out - "people-people", or people-Aryans "?
                  1. +1
                    26 October 2019 08: 09
                    Then the Armenians, too, in your opinion - "people-people", or people-Aryans "?
                    Here it turns out that both the term "Armenians" and the term "Germans" have essentially the same meaning. These are the linguistic incidents found everywhere and in all languages.
                    1. 0
                      26 October 2019 12: 15
                      In general, the term "Germans" does not mean a nation but a community of people closely related or close in spirit.
                      1. -1
                        26 October 2019 12: 58
                        the term "Germans" does not mean a nation, but a community of people closely related or close in spirit.
                        Do you understand what you wrote here? This term is most likely of Turkic-Khazar origin, such terms are in bulk: Alemanis, Armenians and even Turkmens, but the latter at least makes sense: "Turk-men" = "I am Turk" in Turkic languages. And for us, it's all just insignificant foreign terminology. For example, under your concept of "a community of people closely related or close in spirit" - you can bring the Russians, Slavs, Slovenes, ET-Rusks, Venets (my "nickname"), Vans, Vandals, Gauls, Britons and even the early Hellenes. Well, the concept: "nation" is a curve, in fact, anyone can be written there, and with this mechanism, in addition, divide one single people, for example, as now recently the White-Russes, Outskirts-Ukrainians were invented, and many similar examples can be cited. They write that the "Germans" were invented in 1512, although it was hardly a nation then. The present Germans learned that they were "Germans" only at the beginning of the 20th century, in the XNUMXs, and not earlier, but before Hitler. And now you can come up with devils that, unfortunately, they still do not imprison for this.
                      2. +2
                        27 October 2019 00: 41
                        Of course I understand .. But the question is not for me ... This is for Caesar .. The very one who is credited with "Notes on the Gallic War" He clearly shares these concepts ....
                      3. 0
                        27 October 2019 01: 17
                        [quote alexey alekseev_2] "Notes on the Gallic war" [/ quote] I understand you. So far, I have information that this literary work was written no earlier than the XNUMXth century. What was in people's heads at that time is still difficult to explain, perhaps there was not enough experience and theories yet. developments. I do not see any other explanation for this incident. Something like this.
                      4. +1
                        28 October 2019 12: 39
                        Yes, there is no incident .. Francois Rabelais mentioned Caesar as his contemporary .. Yes, and all this literature which is attributed to ancient authors was written by fools like Poggio Bracciolini
  7. +9
    25 October 2019 07: 52
    And why are all these Slav-Aryans so fond of Nazi symbols and aesthetics? At the hero on the helmet and shield, eagles from the Nazi emblems! In the hand is a viking sword. The sleeve is also from a European costume, but of a later era. Breastplate - a mixture of Roman lorica with an unknown garbage.

    As for the developed civilization of the Western Slavs with hundreds of cities in the II century ... Diagnosis: RenTV.
    1. -7
      25 October 2019 08: 08
      why are all these Slavic-Aryans so fond of Nazi symbols ..
      Let's try to put this question in a slightly different plane: Why is the oldest symbolism of the Rus, Slavs, Aryans, Scythians Gauls, etc. so liked the Nazis of all stripes. After all, it was they who stole everything from the ancient people and not the other way around. Maybe the question posed so far can figure out the root causes of everything that is happening today. See how many similar swastika images are in the oldest synagogues in the Middle East. Does it really not reach you who has stolen from whom and what in this case? Think before writing like that, unless of course there is at least some desire. Otherwise, I have the right to accuse you of wanting a frankly deliberate example with a substitution of concepts. I hope that I was able to clearly explain the essence of the problem.
      1. +5
        25 October 2019 08: 34
        Do not try to bustle! On the helmet and shield are eagles from the arms of the Third Reich. The eagle on the helmet lacks a swastika in its claws for a 100% hit. And where did you see these eagles among the ancient Slavs? As for the swastika, it is the Nazi neo-pagans who attribute Aryanism to it. All these Vedic (!), Nordic, truly Aryan pagans have no relation to ancient paganism.
        1. -5
          25 October 2019 09: 03
          Do not try to bustle!
          Oh, how I dislike this poorly proven term "arias". Let me remind you that the "Aryans" lived south of the ancient sea still called the Aral Sea and had Scythian genetics. Unfortunately in America this term is used more often. There, to "Aryans" it is quite possible to refer both Ar-menia and Ar-Avia and possibly "Germany" ("-mania"). But my "nickname" has the root "Ven" = water in translation, this is after the northern and central rus. this root is in the names Venice, Vienna, Hungary, and even Finland, but it looks like Sweden (St. Viennese) and Switzerland as well as the Venetian (Varangian) Sea with the Venetian coast, etc. A little to the northwest they use the root "van" = also because water, we remember both the "bathroom" with water and the "bathroom". At the root, "rus" finds affinity with the words "channel", "mermaid" and even "dew", it seems that all these are cognate words. So I myself am not very versed in "Aryanism", I myself think that these are the southern and southeastern general branches. And about the swastika symbols - so here I am definitely not special, they interest me only in relation to the Middle East, Ancient Galilee, Galilee, etc. I don’t want to play around, but I want to find the closeness and similarity of all fairly ancient cultures. Somewhere like that .... If there are any complaints against me, then in the future I will try to understand them.
          1. +3
            25 October 2019 11: 55
            Quote: venaya
            There, to "Aryans" it is quite possible to refer both Ar-menia and Ar-Avia and possibly "Germany-mania" ("-mania")

            Well, our self-name is not Armenia ... But the root "ar" here is very, very significant ... Here "ari" means the masculine principle, the masculine gender ... And the derivative of it "Ariabar" means courageously ...
            So these words definitely come from Aryan ... I don’t know the date :)
        2. +3
          25 October 2019 09: 04
          These are paintings by the famous artist Konstantin Vasiliev. Read about it. Incidentally, he was born and wrote in the Soviet years. Born in the occupied Maykop, and his father was a famous leader of the partisan movement. But the son suffered the other way. He has a portrait of Zhukov. So there is generally a true Aryan. Vasiliev died very strangely in 1976, falling under a train.
          It is clear that all these Vedic-Nordic symbols are not to blame, that the Nazis took them into circulation, but for most people the association is quite definite.
        3. +1
          25 October 2019 13: 38
          Tired
          A forum member does not bother, but tries to clearly explain to you ...
          About solar (someone calls them "yargic", I do not presume to judge) symbols (including "swastika".
          I was puzzled by this question about solar symbols when, 10 years ago, I found a signet ring (as you call it “with a swastika”) during a “search”, which is clearly childish, and, surprisingly, it is well preserved ...
          It was then that I became interested in this "protective" topic. It turned out to be interesting.
          The ring is still with me.
          And you everywhere "shout" about fascist symbols, in vain)
    2. +3
      25 October 2019 08: 19
      Quote: Tired
      all these Slav-Aryans love Nazi symbols so much

      Nazi symbolism is when a white circle is drawn on a red canvas in which a swastika is placed. Separately, they are not Nazi symbols. The red canvas is the historical banner of Russia. The swastika is the most ancient symbol of humanity.

      ps
      The current ban on the demonstration of Nazi symbols on TV will lead to the fact that the younger generation does not recognize the arrival of fascism in our lives ...
      1. +1
        25 October 2019 09: 06
        It is banned as propaganda, and in films and broadcasts as much as you like. And in printed matter too.
        1. +3
          25 October 2019 09: 18
          Quote: Moskovit
          in films and programs her

          h. 1 Art. 20.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation establishes administrative responsibility for propaganda and public demonstration of Nazi paraphernalia or symbols or paraphernalia or symbols similar to Nazi paraphernalia or symbols to the point of confusion, in the form of an administrative fine in the amount of five hundred to one thousand rubles with confiscation of Nazi or other specified paraphernalia or symbols, or administrative arrest for up to fifteen days with confiscation of Nazi or other specified paraphernalia or symbols.

          For posting in social networks a photo from the victory parade, where soldiers of the Red Army throw Nazi banners to the walls of the mausoleum, the blogger was convicted quite realistically.
          1. +1
            25 October 2019 09: 33
            You will understand to the end in this matter.

            According to experts, the use of Nazi and similar attributes / symbols to the point of confusion in historical, scientific, etc. purposes is recognized as acceptable. At the same time, Nazi symbols cannot be used to insult the Soviet people and the memory of the victims suffered in the Great Patriotic War, to popularize the ideas of Nazism, the theory of racial superiority, and to justify the war crimes of the Nazis.

            Original article on the Roskomnadzor website:
            ttp: //rkn.gov.ru/news/rsoc/news31736.htm

            And then in such a way all books and films about the war must be prohibited
            By the way, in Germany the same parsley. You can safely see fascist symbols in any bookstore.
            1. +1
              25 October 2019 09: 44
              Quote: Moskovit
              And then in such a way all books and films about the war must be prohibited

              And you take a look at movies and TV shows.
              1. +1
                25 October 2019 09: 48
                Modern I can’t. Causes nausea and vomiting. The last more or less worthy film is the Brest Fortress. The battle for Sevastopol is still somehow.
                The praised 28 Panfilov’s are generally anti-Soviet and historically unfaithful.
                But even in rubbish characters in bulk.
                1. +1
                  25 October 2019 09: 50
                  Quote: Moskovit
                  Modern I can’t. Causes nausea and vomiting ...
                  But even in rubbish characters in bulk.

                  So you already decide - are you watching or are you sick? laughing
      2. +8
        25 October 2019 09: 29
        Quote: Boris55
        The current ban on the demonstration of Nazi symbols on TV will lead to the fact that the younger generation does not recognize the arrival of fascism in our lives ...

        If you recognize fascism only by the swastika, then at one fine moment you can suddenly find yourself joyfully jerking nah ..... (insert necessary), under quite Orthodox, for example, banners. With the sacred purpose of bringing to their knees the next "semi-monkeys" who do not want to voluntarily make "Ku" in front of the shining greatness and antiquity of the Russo-Slavic-Aryan Superethnos.
        1. +2
          25 October 2019 09: 40
          Quote: HanTengri
          If you recognize fascism only by swastika

          Fascism: swastika in a white circle on a red background.

          How does the psyche work:
          There is a phenomenon. There is an image of this phenomenon. This image is endowed with a code (word). We hear the word. There is an image. The phenomenon is clear.
          As an example:
          We hear the word thunder. There is an image of heavy rain with lightning and thunder. The phenomenon is clear.

          When the image of Nazism is forbidden to us, fascism itself becomes incomprehensible to us.
          As an example:
          In the USSR, Vlasov and his symbol (banner) tricolor, nothing was said. Today, the tricolor is a symbol of our state and we must respect it. For the first time, the tricolot became state under Kerensky.
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            1. +3
              25 October 2019 10: 35
              Quote: HanTengri
              and symbolism and name are the tenth matter.

              Symbols act on the subconscious as a system for recognizing "friend or foe".

              "... Fascism is one of the types of culture of social self-government, which is possible only in a crowd-" elite "society. Fascism is one of the expressions of mental Trotskyism.
              The essence of fascism as such, regardless of how you call it, what ideas it covers up and what methods it exercises power in society, in the active support by a crowd of “little people” - on the ideological conviction of themselves or lack of ideality based on animal-instinctive behavior - the system of abuse of power by the “elite” oligarchy, which:
              represents unrighteousness as supposedly true “justice”, and on this basis, distorting the worldview of people, cultivates unrighteousness in society with all its power, preventing people from becoming a person;
              under various pretexts with all power subordinate to her, it suppresses everyone and everyone who doubts the righteousness of her own policy and the one she is pursuing, and also suppresses those whom she suspects.
              The crowd, by definition of V. G. Belinsky, is “a collection of people living according to tradition and reasoning according to authority” (in the definition of A. Pushkin, “people are meaningless”), i.e. crowd - a multitude of individuals living shamelessly and essentially thoughtlessly - automatically or under the control of the behavior of its representatives from the outside. And it does not matter whether the ruling oligarchy speaks publicly and ceremonially, being extolled over society; either extolled by default or in an unconscious pride, publicly portraying humility and service to the crowd, calling it people; or acts secretly, assuring society of its supposedly non-existence and, accordingly, “non-existence *”, of its inaction, as a result of which everything in the life of society flows supposedly “by itself”, and not purposefully according to the scripts of conceptually powerful curators of the oligarchy.
              This definition-description of fascism does not include frightening and striking signs of its manifestations in action: symbolism; an ideology calling for violence and the annihilation of those whom the masters of fascism have designated as irreparable social evil; calls for the creation of political parties with strict discipline and a system of terror, militias, etc.
              About the misanthropic essence of fascism on the basis of the lesson taught by all German fascism, it is said after 1945 * g. lot. Due to the horror of German fascism that became negatively cult, 1933 - 1945 * the given definition may seem to some to be lightweight, divorced from real life (abstract), and therefore not meeting the task of protecting the future from the threat of fascism.
              In reality, this very definition is the definition of fascism in essence, and not according to the place of origin and not according to the peculiarities of its formation and manifestation in the life of society, which distinguishes it qualitatively from most of the "definitions" of "fascism" given by various explanatory and encyclopedic dictionaries ...
              VP of the USSR.
              1. 0
                25 October 2019 10: 44
                Quote: Boris55
                Symbols act on the subconscious as a system for recognizing "friend or foe".

                Why is the sign of the "Union of Michael the Archangel", in this regard, worse than the swastika?
              2. 0
                25 October 2019 10: 56
                Quote: Boris55
                [pright] VP of the USSR. [/ pright]

                "And who is this girl and where does she live?
                What if she doesn’t smoke?
                What if she doesn't drink? "(C) laughing
                1. +2
                  25 October 2019 18: 25
                  "And Tanya, on a flat, had an old gramophone,
                  Iron bed and telephone "
                  1. +3
                    25 October 2019 19: 24
                    "Ah, my hotel, ah hotel,
                    I will sit on the bed - you will move "(c).
                    1. +3
                      25 October 2019 21: 12
                      "But if this Lyubochka
                      You will come to the house
                      There you are this girl
                      Liebe-liebe
                      Amore-amore
                      Or either
                      Love "(c)
                      1. +2
                        25 October 2019 22: 45
                        "Good girl Lida.
                        But what is it good for? "(C)
                      2. +5
                        25 October 2019 23: 22
                        “People often say to me:“ Drink less wine!
                        That you drink wine, tell us whose fault? ”
                        The face of my beloved is guilty of this:
                        I can't help drinking when she's with me !!!. "(C) laughing
                      3. +4
                        26 October 2019 00: 33
                        "Ugly Elsa, queen of flirting,
                        With a can of pure alcohol
                        I'm in a hurry to see you. "(C)
                      4. +4
                        26 October 2019 00: 36
                        "They loved you, mocked you,
                        Unbearable!
                        Why are you looking so blue in spray
                        Or in the face you want? "(C)
                      5. +3
                        26 October 2019 00: 40
                        "Why are you, dear, looking askance,
                        Bowing your head low? "(C)
      3. 0
        25 October 2019 13: 11
        Quote: Boris55
        Nazi symbolism is when a white circle is drawn on a red canvas in which a swastika is placed.

        Symbolically rotating counterclockwise.
      4. +1
        28 October 2019 14: 51
        Moreover, he gradually came to the realization that the organizers of WWII achieved their goal: their Golem lost on the physical plane, but on the mental field it was possible to trample into the mud the many thousand-year-old symbols of our ancestors, throwing Nazi counterfeits into it and hanging a cliché on all swastika (solar) symbols , which was cut out on the platbands and embroidered on towels some 100 years ago, which was not erased even on the money of the government of the scoundrel Kerensky. So that "that war" that began in 1914 and continued for us in 1941 is not over on the mental plane, and therefore all processes today are growing from there.
  8. -2
    25 October 2019 08: 00
    He dumped everything in one pile. I forgot only to indicate that in Russian there is such a word as a den. And do not think up anything more about Berlin. Very superficially written.
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 08: 17
      He dumped everything in one pile. ... in Russian there is such a word as a den. And don’t have to invent anything more about Berlin
      And why is it so small, because besides Berlin, Bern is also the capital too, I do not say that the overwhelming majority of ancient cities and other toponyms and hydronyms in the west are of purely Russian-speaking origin. After all, EVERYONE should know about it, that is, screaming about it constantly. And how many place names managed to be renamed during the reign of Natsik Hitler? Everything, absolutely everything should be fixed and this infa is as widespread as possible. It is a pity the article itself is short ....
  9. +3
    25 October 2019 08: 45
    Russia is the cultural periphery of enlightened Western civilization, and not a separate distinctive civilization-world.

    Of course, Russia is the whole world and civilization, but Western civilization is the same world.
    . Hence the generally accepted picture: Rome, Paris, Berlin and London are the pillars of world civilization, and Russia is stumps, a swamp and a club.

    No, the common picture is Moscow is the third ROME.
    According to another version, this is the city of "bera" - a bear. And the "bear-bear" is a totem animal

    Everything is simpler: it's a city "Bier-city Beer lol

    Based on toponymy, you can go a long way: our neighbors from the outskirts long ago proved that the Ukrainians discovered South America, as did the planet Earth (from Venus onet). Yes
    Judge for yourself: Columbus (Cristoforo Columbo) where are you from? Right out COLOMyi.
    And what are your questions? Yes
    1. +4
      25 October 2019 10: 13
      Everything is simpler: this is the city "Bier-city of beer

      Cool! wink
    2. +1
      28 October 2019 15: 01
      The Third Rome is a very outdated declaration of the elite of the Muscovite kingdom, and of a limited period. In fact, these were exclusively praises of churchmen, greedy for wealth / power / position to please the Grand Duke of Moscow. The proclamation of this concept coincided with the fusion of the anticipated Church with secular power, including the victory of the Josephites over the non-possessors. I am sure that the people were deeply on the drum of what kind of Rome there was, and that the rogue Paisius Ligarid was changing there in church rituals - like walking around the altar with anti-salt instead of salt. "Third Rome," is a category of high politics, and has nothing to do with the self-consciousness of the people, and thank God it does not.
  10. +4
    25 October 2019 08: 55
    I would like to wish the Commissions at the Russian Academy of Sciences for Combating Pseudoscience and the Falsification of Scientific Research fruitful work and success in their work. It remains only to regret those small powers that have been allocated to them in their field, which is absolutely necessary in our glorious time.
    1. -2
      25 October 2019 09: 28
      To the commissions at the Russian Academy of Sciences for the fight against pseudoscience and falsification of scientific research ..
      And that, this "commission" was able to at least in some way contribute to the development of scientific activity, or, as usual, acts as an organ of the medieval religious inquisition. After all, there are quite a few religious fanatics among its members, and this seriously affects the final results of its activities. Do you need specific examples of their activities or can you figure it out on your own?
      1. +3
        25 October 2019 10: 32
        And that, this "commission" was able to at least somehow contribute to the development of scientific activity

        Their task is somewhat different, "orderlies of the forest", so to speak, very cluttered in recent decades, "freedom" it is.
        Do you give concrete examples of their activities or will you figure it out yourself?

        Of course bring.
  11. +1
    25 October 2019 09: 24
    The first carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a came to Europe 12 thousands of years ago through the Isthmus of the Dardanelles and settled in the south and west among the indigenous inhabitants of the European subcontinent - carriers of the Illyrian haplogroups I1 and I2 (in relation to 1 to 4, genetic studies do not mix with bone remains) them (in separate settlements).

    As Eastern Europe was liberated from the glacier, the Aryans moved along the future Russian plain east (to the Urals) and north (to the Karelian Isthmus), becoming 9 thousands of years ago the first native inhabitants of this region after the last glaciation.

    5 thousands of years ago, the Aryans living in the Black Sea region domesticated the horse and invented a two / four-axle wheeled wagon (there are clay figures of horses harnessed to the wagon found in Aryan settlements of that era).

    4,5 thousand years ago, Asian carriers of the Erbin / Celtic haplogroup R1b came to Europe through the Strait of Gibraltar and arranged for the inhabitants of Western Europe an era of broken skulls - i.e. genocide. Surviving Illyrians (I1) and Western Arians were driven back to the Scandinavian Peninsula (where future Scandinavians were formed). The Eastern Aryans repelled the expansion of the Erbins at the boundary of the Elbe, Sudeten and Carpathians (see the battle in the Tollensee Valley 3300 years ago).

    At the beginning of the 2 millennium BC the Black Sea arias on chariots went east to Central Asia, Iran, India and Manchuria, south to Asia Minor, Syria, Palestine and Arabia and west to Hallstadt. After that, the Black Sea Aryans assimilated the local tribes culturally and linguistically.

    At the end of the 2 millennium BC the Carpathian tribe of eastern Aryans - Vendians reached the east of the Apennine Peninsula and occupied the area of ​​the Venetian (Venetian) lagoon.

    In the middle of the 1 millennium A.D. Central European Arians - the Slavs migrated to the Balkans (future Yugoslavia), and Eastern European Arians - the Antes - to Thrace (future Bulgaria) and Greece (Morea province).

    At the beginning of the 2 millennium A.D. the tribes of the Western Slavs - Wends were assimilated by the Germans (already having their own statehood) in the territory of Northern and Eastern Germany. The expansion of the Germans to the east was stopped by the formation of Slavic states (Samo, Great Moravia, Poland, Bulgaria, Ruska, Serbia and Croatia).
    1. -1
      25 October 2019 09: 37
      carriers of Illyrian haplogroups I1 and I2
      And Klyosov said that these haplogroups appeared only 2 - 2,5 millennia ago and they did not spread. Another thing is that many representatives of the haplogroup "L" lived in the west, now they have been displaced far to the southeast and today they live in the southwest of Hindustan. And haplogroups "I1" and "I2" appeared here recently in the regions of Scandinavia and the Danube. Here was such information from him ...
      1. -2
        25 October 2019 10: 51
        Among the Illyrian haplogroups I1 and I2, Klesov called them the time of their appearance in Europe earlier than 45 thousands of years ago (the oldest bone remains, the Y-haplogroup of which was deciphered). During the last ice age, the Illyrians survived in the so-called ice shelters on the coast of the Andriatic (I2) and the Iberian Peninsula (I1).

        You are right - after the invasion of Europe by Erbins (R1b) 4 thousands of years ago, the southern Illyrians (I2) were driven out of the Danube, where together with the local Aryans formed part of the Eastern Slavs who came to the Balkans in the former habitats of the southern Illyrians through 2,5 for thousands of years (Serbs , Croats, Ants).

        As for the Scandinavians - the Western Aryans in their composition (from 20 to 25%) were separated from the Eastern and Black Sea Aryans as far back as 6000 years ago (before being ousted to the Scandinavian Peninsula by Erbins) and from that moment they no longer had any relation to the South Baltic Slavs - Vendians and Eastern Slavs - Sorbians, Croats, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Ants, Slovenes, etc.

        Migration map of European carriers R1a from Klesov's last article on the "Reformat" website
        1. -1
          28 October 2019 13: 58
          Anatoly Alekseevich Klyosov (born Anatole A. Klyosov; born November 20, 1946, Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad Region, USSR - Soviet and American biochemist, specialist in the field of polymer composite materials, biomedicine, enzymatic catalysis.

          Doctor of chemical sciences, professor, laureate of the Lenin Komsomol Prize (1978) and the USSR State Prize (1984). A foreign member (since January 17, 2014) of the Georgian National Academy of Sciences in the Department of Biological Sciences with a degree in biochemistry.

          He is now known as the author of "DNA Genealogy", which he advocated as a new science that studies the migration of populations and the genetic history of mankind. Due to the incorrectness of the theoretical foundations of DNA genealogy, its methods and conclusions, specialists recognized this concept as pseudoscientific. In particular, historians, anthropologists, ethnologists, linguists and specialists in the field of population genetics opposed DNA genealogy.
          Klesov repeatedly defended various pseudoscientists and folk historians, such as Anatoly Fomenko, Viktor Petrik, Valery Chudinov, Victor Suvorov (Rezun), Gennady Grinevich and others, noting that “official science” is too strict for them and this supposedly hinders scientific progress.
          Klyosov is a supporter of the authenticity of the Veles Book and took a direct part in the preparation of the collection The Examination of the Veles Book
          Klyosov is the editor-in-chief of the journal Advances in Anthropology, which mainly prints marginal figures and little-known scholars from those who adapt to Klyosov. In this journal, Klyosov published a number of articles on DNA genealogy. The Successes of Anthropology journal is published by the Chinese company Scientific Research Publishing, which is included in the list of "predatory" open access publishers [26], that is, publishers who charge authors and do not adequately control the scientific quality of published materials. In 2013, most of the editors of the magazine quit due to disagreement with the editorial policy, and Klyosov took over as editor-in-chief.
  12. +2
    25 October 2019 10: 51
    Judging by the number of minuses under the comments on the site, venaya is not the only adherent of the superethnos. True, the rest for some reason do not denote themselves, they act incognito.
    Meanwhile, such disparate efforts to fight for the place of the ancient Rus under the sun do not give the effect that a well-organized movement could give.
    Indeed, at present, the superethnic passionate impulse has swept the peoples from the polar tundra in the north to the Central Asian deserts in the south, from the Pacific Ocean in the east to the Atlantic in the west.
    Chukchi, Nenets, Buryats, Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs, Kazakhs, Turkmens, Armenians, Georgians, Balts, Jews - these are just a small part of ethnic groups who seek to see their origins in the corresponding superethnos with a thousand-year history.
    But why not join forces on a global, so to speak, scale. To create an international public movement of the type "To each ethnic group according to a super-ethnic group." UN connect, UNESCO.
    So as in the song:
    If the guys of the whole earth
    The choir would have started one song
    That would be great, that would be thunder ..
    1. -3
      25 October 2019 11: 57
      "Each ethnos has a superethnos"
      I see the mental component of an explicit and undisguised inferiority complex continues. So scientific articles are not discussed, and this is more like a near-intake showdown. Such a "culture" is now being promoted among some participants in the discussion, but it's a pity ....
      1. +3
        25 October 2019 12: 10
        Vyacheslav, you always try to insult your opponent, and then call for a culture of discussion.
        For example, I believe that, given the content of the article, the comments are very correct.
        You always blame opponents for inferiority on the basis that they do not share your point of view. Find it normal and worthy for a representative of an ancient superethnos?
        And if the commenters go to the appropriate level and start writing what they think about this delirium? Or are you all who are not a supporter of this trend - inferior? If so, then a specialized specialist is clearly needed.
        1. -4
          25 October 2019 12: 49
          taking into account the content of the article, the comments are very correct .. Find it normal and worthy for a representative of an ancient superethnos? ..
          You can wonder in what specific place I was able to report to which ethnic group do I relate to? Here in the article we are talking about a specific problem and I am not interested in which ethnic group I belong to, the outsider can solve these issues better and fairer, that is, an ethnic group that is generally far from a discussion. And what is happening here, people already relate themselves to some ethnic group (often not really knowing which one) and begin to criticize a foreign ethnic group. But this is simply indecent by definition! In my understanding, it is necessary to abstract from any ethnos and take an independent position, because what you get is pure bias in criticizing a specific article. I do not find another here. Hence my attitude to those who criticize as inferior and their posts are simply indecent and unworthy. Calm down your ardor, take a quieter attitude towards representatives of another ethnic group, otherwise such behavior can be considered pure Nazism, that is, hatred of another ethnic group or even a nation, which, for example, is prohibited by law. I’m talking about that. So in May, criticism of the Natsik Nazis was directed against Nazism itself. What else claims to me? What exactly do I exalt my ethnic group, I only call for restraint of individual representatives who, in my opinion, have a transcendental index of hatred towards representatives of another ethnic group. And those who hate any (at least their own, at least not their own) ethnic group, I fully have the right to consider ardent Nazis. So what are my complaints? I fight precisely with Nazism as a phenomenon!
          1. +1
            25 October 2019 12: 58
            Yeah, you pressed the hunchback to the wall ... On the principle - the best defense is an attack. All who are not from Venya are ardent Nazis, and Venia is a fighter against Nazism! Oxymoron!
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  13. -1
    25 October 2019 11: 02
    Quote: kalibr
    Osprey books taught at Sandhurst Academy

    It is visible - Terezka May, Borka Johnson, ets laughing
  14. +8
    25 October 2019 11: 08
    What is Alexander Samsonov all about Germany? But what about the very west of Europe, the province of Roussillon in the south of France? By the name of any du..ak immediately understand that there in ancient times lived Slavic-Russians. Not only that, the famous Chauvet cave with 30 cave paintings of a thousand years ago is also located there, and the caves of Lasko and Altamira, with the oldest cave paintings in human history, are also located relatively close, which proves that, firstly: Slavic-Russes were the oldest inhabitants of Europe, the creators of the famous late Paleolithic Aurignacian culture, and secondly, it was from the cave paintings of Slavic-Russians that all European art and culture began. It is strange why Samsonov forgot to mention all this?
    1. -1
      25 October 2019 15: 10
      Quote: alebor
      inhabited by Slavic Russians. Moreover, the famous Chauvet cave with rock paintings of 30 thousand years ago is also located there.

      Exactly: "Chauvet cave-mother of Russian caves" ... Yes
    2. -3
      28 October 2019 18: 53
      yes, yes, and Samsonov’s psychiatrists, too, are always amazed that he is all about Germany, but about Germany?
  15. +1
    25 October 2019 11: 09
    Quote: Tired
    why are all these Slavic-Aryans so fond of Nazi symbolism and aesthetics?

    That's why: Aryan symbols from Altai (24 thousands of years ago), Central Asia (16 thousands of years ago), the Balkans (12 thousands of years ago), Central and Eastern Europe (9 thousands of years ago), Asia Minor, Iran and India (4 thousands of years ago) - along the path of R1a media migration


    On the right is a solar symbol, on the left is the undecrypted sign W.
    1. +3
      25 October 2019 15: 05
      Quote: Operator
      left - not yet decrypted W sign.

      Duc. long ago decrypted: "Volkswagen" request
  16. -4
    25 October 2019 11: 18
    Quote: Moskovit
    true aryan

    The self-name of the Aryans in the Rigveda and Avesta is Arya.

    Aryans are tracing paper from a 19th-century German translation of the Rigveda and Avesta.
  17. +2
    25 October 2019 11: 36
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    I would like to wish the Commissions at the Russian Academy of Sciences to combat pseudoscience

    The composition of the RAS Commission on the fight against pseudoscience
    Aleksandrov, Evgeny Borisovich - chairman of the commission, academician of the RAS
    Ivanchik, Askold Igorevich - Deputy Chairman, Corresponding Member of RAS
    Arkhipov, Mikhail Viktorovich - candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, St. Petersburg State University
    Anisimov, Vladimir Nikolaevich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Afontsev, Sergey Alexandrovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Borodin, Pavel Pavlovich - Doctor of Biological Sciences, HSE
    Borodkin, Leonid Iosifovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Vlasov, Vasily Viktorovich - Doctor of Medical Sciences, HSE
    Gerstein, Semyon Solomonovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Gins, Murat Sabirovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Gitelzon, Joseph Isaevich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Glinushkin, Alexey Pavlovich - Doctor of Agricultural Sciences, VNIIF
    Grinzer, Nikolai Pavlovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Gulev, Sergey Konstantinovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Dmitriev, Igor Sergeevich - Doctor of Chemical Sciences, St. Petersburg State University
    Dybo, Anna Vladimirovna - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Dyakonov, Mikhail Igorevich - Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, Physical-Technical Institute of RAS
    Efremov, Yuri Nikolaevich - Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, GAISH
    Zakharov, Vladimir Evgenievich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Inge-Vechtomov, Sergey Georgievich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Kolbasov, Denis Vladimirovich - Doctor of Veterinary Sciences, Professor of RAS, FITsViM
    Kocharovsky, Vladimir Vladilenovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Krymsky, Germogen Filippovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Kuvakin, Valery Alexandrovich - Doctor of Philosophy, Moscow State University
    Mesyats, Gennady Andreyevich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Panchin, Alexander Yurievich - candidate of biological sciences, IPPI RAS
    Polishchuk, Rostislav Feofanovich - Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, LPI
    Ponomarev, Leonid Ivanovich - Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Rebrov, Alexey Kuzmich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Rogozin, Dmitry Mikhailovich - Candidate of Sociological Sciences, FniSC RAS
    Rozanov, Nikolai Nikolaevich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Sadovsky, Mikhail Vissarionovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Salikhov, Kev Minullinovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Sergeev, Alexander Genrikhovich - scientific journalist
    Sokolov, Alexander Borisovich - editor of the site Anthropogenesis.ru
    Tolstoy, Peter Mikhailovich - candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, St. Petersburg State University
    Uspensky, Fedor Borisovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Fadeev, Valentin Viktorovich - Corresponding Member of RAS
    Fortov, Vladimir Evgenievich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Ukrainians, Alexey Removich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Khromov-Borisov, Nikita Nikolaevich - candidate of biological sciences, NIMC
    Cherepashchuk, Anatoly Mikhailovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    Shalagin, Anatoly Mikhailovich - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    This commission of the RAS does not criticize in any way the scientific theory of biochemist, doctor of chemical sciences, chief editor of the largest international aptropological journal A.Klesov

    Members of the council of a certain fund "Evolution" - grant-eaters with foreign funding, disagree with Klesov's theory:
    Mikhail Gelfand (Skolkovo)
    Boris Stern (Troitsk)
    Varvara Gornostaeva (editor)
    Asya Kazantseva (journalist)
    etc.
    1. +1
      25 October 2019 12: 22
      Why bring a sheet-list of commission members?
      This commission of the RAS does not criticize in any way the scientific theory of biochemist, doctor of chemical sciences, chief editor of the largest international aptropological journal A.Klesov

      I cannot understand from the content of your message - is it right or wrong?
      And the statement itself is hasty - in the newsletter of commission No. 15 there is an article criticizing Klesov.
      1. 0
        25 October 2019 12: 46
        Do not give a link to the article?
        1. 0
          25 October 2019 12: 56
          Visit the website of the RAS commission http://klnran.ru, they publish bulletins in pdf there, you have the bulletin number.
        2. -1
          25 October 2019 13: 02
          Bulletin No. 15 from the 2015 of the RAS commission does contain a reprint of an article by Israeli historian Klein (convicted in the USSR for an article of sodomy, more than once seen in plagiarism and compilation of other people's works), where this humanitarian studies with aplomb discusses biochemistry in general and DNA in particular laughing
          After the division of the RAS commission into two such pseudoscientific libels, its bulletins no longer contain.
          1. -1
            25 October 2019 13: 45
            Not once seen in plagiarism and compilation of other people's works

            for example?
            convicted in the USSR under article for sodomy

            what?
            reprint of an article by Israeli historian Klein where this humanist with aplomb talks about biochemistry in general and DNA in particular

            In fact, right in the text it says that this is not really an article, these are published parts of correspondence with 24 scientists who signed a declaration against the postulates put forward by Klesov. So with the "humanities" you pass by.
            her ballots no longer contain

            So the guys have an unplowed field of activity, Klesov is the most harmless patient here, to spend time on him again.
          2. -1
            26 October 2019 21: 14
            Quote: Operator
            articles by the Israeli historian Klein (convicted in the USSR under an article for sodomy,

            Alan Turing was castrated in 1952 for sodomy. Some people think that if they did in 1939, Hitler would have won the Second World War. And no one considers him a bad mathematician of his time.
    2. 0
      25 October 2019 13: 12
      and this uv. person with American citizenship (Klesov) whose grants eats up?
      Quote: Operator
      - grant funders on foreign financing
  18. 0
    25 October 2019 11: 38
    Quote: venaya
    Mavro Orbini

    Not the source!
    1. -3
      25 October 2019 11: 50
      Mavro Orbini - Not the Source!
      What, have already discovered materials earlier on the time of publication on this topic? You can inquire about this in more detail.
      1. -2
        25 October 2019 19: 31
        Quote: venaya
        You can inquire about this in more detail.

        Why more? What did the person write not the source, is it really incomprehensible? A person can be sick on his head ...
  19. 0
    25 October 2019 11: 40
    Quote: Operator
    grant funders on foreign financing

    And what funds give them grants?
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          1. +1
            25 October 2019 20: 20
            Every kind of rubbish category of gelfand divorced all over the world ... We also somehow had a transvestite allowed to the podium in parliament ... so then no one would admit who allowed this scum to the microphone ...
          2. 0
            26 October 2019 17: 07
            Quote: Tlauicol
            right now ... security

            Performed in honor of your compatriot Leva Klein
          3. 0
            26 October 2019 20: 57
            Quote: Tlauicol
            In Hitler Germany, according to such a denunciation, Gelfand would be sent to
            concentration camp, and the Operator would receive thanks from the district department

            But modern Russia is probably not Hitler's Germany. In fact, the operator simply promotes Gelfand's articles. A free discussion, even with insults, if repressive bodies do not take part in it as the last resort will always lead to the truth.
            1. -3
              27 October 2019 04: 30
              Repressive organs of the site cut everyone except the operator
              1. 0
                27 October 2019 23: 03
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Repressive organs of the site

                But I must admit that most visitors to the site recognize the authority of the RAS commission on pseudoscience, and I hope they are interested in the materials of this commission more than its composition ..
              2. +2
                28 October 2019 20: 55
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Repressive organs of the site cut everyone except the operator

                Actually, the Operator simply gave an example of the fifth column, and the repressive organs of the site cut it ... by the denunciation of his opponents ...
                1. -4
                  29 October 2019 04: 45
                  The repressive organs of the site primarily cut his opponents, they sent me an 8th warning, and the operator’s most boorish comments, as you see, were not touched. And there were no denunciations, except for the first comment of the operator. But he is more equal than others, he is not touched
                  1. +1
                    29 October 2019 09: 22
                    No need to mislead readers who did not have time to get acquainted with the posts of the characters ... The Operator was announced who Hu is ... A denunciation to the repressive authorities of the site was rolled on his post ... Both messages were deleted, but due to the fact that the user TLAUIKOL managed to record - with his citation - the denunciation of the Operator - apparently, in the end, the "chiropractor" was angered, and this denunciation was also deleted ...
                    1. -3
                      29 October 2019 09: 37
                      If that were the case, the video comment would be deleted. So this person, the operator, does not need your protection, he has protection. And no one knocked on him - the authorities will easily confirm this
                      1. 0
                        29 October 2019 10: 36
                        Authorities left the video only as moral compensation for removing the Operator’s informative post ... This is obvious ...
                      2. +1
                        29 October 2019 12: 39
                        After deleting the boorish post of "God's chosen" tlahuikol, I tried to remove my response post from the video about Leva Crane's orientation, but it did not work.

                        Request to VO administration to delete my post from October 26 2019 17: 07.
  20. -6
    25 October 2019 12: 19
    The Russians are, of course, the Germans. Absolutely all primary sources speak about this. The term "Slavs" does not mean ethnicity. It meant (and, as we shall see, in a sense still means) socio-political status. This status is addiction. The etymology of the word "Slavs" is obvious to all of Europe, and therefore to the whole world.
    Orbini wrote not about the "Slavic-Russian" tribes, but about the fact that the Goths = "Slavs" and all "Slavs" came from the Goths or were somehow connected with them:
    It happened the first retreat of the Slavs from Scandinavia during Ofoniel, conquered by the heir according to Uuse, the heir of Moses. Ofon Ofoniel was a judge of Hebrews, in the summer from the World Creation of 3790, before the coming of Christ for 1460 years, at which time Gotta came out of Scandinavia, under the same name and the Slavs, who were the same people with the Gotfs. And so the people of Slavonic conquering their entire Sarmatia to their power, therefore divided into different authorities, and then received different names for themselves; That is: Venedas, Slavs, Antes, Verla or Erula, Alans or Massageti, Girra, Skirra, Sirba, Einken, Dacians, Swedes, Fennas or Finns, Prussians, Vandals, Burgondions, Gotfs, Ostrogotfs, Visigotfs, Getkim, Gepanids, The Quads, Avars, Pevkins, Bashtarny, Roksolyany or Rus, Lyakhi, Boymi or Czechs, Shlentsi, and Bulgars, who were all, are one and the same kind of Slavenskoi
    Let's go back to etymology. The Goths are the people of the gods, the "Slavs" - you understand yourself. But the gods of the Germans are not a Christian god. And that is why Orbini continued the course, begun in Byzantium, on the destruction of the Gothic identity, as well as the identity of the Turkic and Sarmatian peoples, and their transformation into an amorphous baptized mass, "God's servants", and at the same time the imperial ones. And there is no need to delude ourselves that "Moscow is the third Rome". Orbini was a Catholic and educated man, we must not forget. Then why did he create an ideological concept suitable for the Russian tsar?
    The answer is obvious. Because the self-name of Gotha and Gothic identity is the right to world domination. By birthright, as descendants of the gods. And the "king of the Slavs" is the lord of the savages who are outside of civilization, and who drags chestnuts out of the fire for "civilized" people.

    And here we come to the point that explains why the propaganda of "Slavism", "Tartaria", "Rusokhazarstva" and other game is not a harmless whim, but a real Russophobia.
    Generally accepted in the mass consciousness of Europeans (and not only) is the point of view that modern European civilization is a product of a synthesis of the ancient and Germanic worlds. So, "Slavs", as we see, are not here. They are outside of civilization and alien to it. This is "2nd grade". The identification of a person or a community as "Slav / Slavs" is a stigma in the eyes of the rest of the world. But self-identification as a "Slav" a priori causes outside the East. Europe's perception of this person as a village idiot. It is with this that the everyday prejudice towards immigrants from the East is connected. Europe in the "west".

    What we have - the peoples with divine origin, who created the European civilization, who have the right to world leadership, voluntarily renounce their offspring and leadership and accept a completely marginal identity. People who help to maintain this state of affairs are either fools who think that stories about "Russian-Slavic Tatarohazars" are very patriotic, or conscious enemies of the Russian people
  21. -2
    25 October 2019 12: 20
    Quote: Karen
    .. our self-name is not Armenia ..

    I remember that, another thing is really wanting to know the time of the appearance of the term "Armenians", it was infa that around the XIV-XVI centuries, the time of appearance. The term has a Türkic-speaking root, that is, quite late. Let me remind you that the term "Slavs" is not a self-name either. And here I am about something else, about the passage of the very term "Aryan" or "ar" from the Aral Sea to the Red Sea, where it was fixed in the form of "Arabia". The topic is painfully complex, I can't explain it right away, so I'm just hinting no more.
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 20: 12
      Venaya, you are confused in the zeros ... What is the Turkic root? What is the fourteenth century?
      The Greeks still called us that ...
      1. +1
        26 October 2019 17: 32
        So tell me then from which specific years? And why is it that the Hellenes cannot use the words of the Turkic language group, with the Khazars, after all, they had relations, and there were also Turkic-speaking tribes there.
        1. 0
          26 October 2019 17: 42
          Alexander went across Asia Minor, and not north ... He was advised to go through Armenia so that the army would strengthen its health with apricot, but he, seeing the stamina of the Armenian wing of the Persian army in battle, went south of our habitat ... And there were no Turks here another thousand years after that ...
          1. +1
            26 October 2019 17: 51
            Quote: Karen
            He was advised to walk through Armenia

            What year text? We need to decide on this. While I can’t determine exactly the time when the term “Armenia” appeared, the reference to the epic does not give anything concrete here.
            1. +1
              26 October 2019 17: 54
              Venaya, we all read this as schoolchildren, so a non-specialist, like me, will not remember any sources ...
              And by the way, I recommend reading about research on our alphabet: in our alphabet lies the periodic table for the seven main (in ancient times) metals ...
    2. 0
      26 October 2019 17: 20
      By the way, Venaya, since you also fastened the Turkic language here ... Although I didn’t fasten it, I want to tell you who you can read interesting from ... The first linguist of the Turkish Republic Hakob Martayan: On the antiquity of the Turkish language and its proximity to the Indo-European group ... 1932
  22. BAI
    0
    25 October 2019 12: 39
    Drawing for the article - yes, good. But the letters, somehow, did not work out.
  23. 0
    25 October 2019 13: 02
    From the author’s stats, I realized that he doesn’t have the salary of a supernatural crew, he wants 200 dollars for 1 / 7 land and wants to squeeze Europe as well - they have grown fat R1b, they don’t build yachts of the Russian oligarchy ... a mess though .... laughing
  24. +1
    25 October 2019 13: 26
    I read the comments. I am only embarrassed that the bird on the helmet and shield is made in the style, or maybe the artists of the Third Reich?
  25. -6
    25 October 2019 13: 27
    Quote: Tlauicol
    with american

    Anatoly Klesov was born in Russia in 1946 in Kaliningrad, graduated from Moscow State University in 1969, currently is the editor-in-chief of the international scientific journal Advances in Anthropology, and since 1990 he has worked in large American chemical and biochemical companies, holds patents in the field of polymer materials and anti-cancer drugs .
    Anatoly Klesov is clearly short of his own funds for life and scientific activity in the field of DNA genealogy.
    1. +6
      25 October 2019 14: 03
      Editor-in-chief of the international scientific journal Advances in Anthropology
      Do not mislead the audience. This is the so-called open access journal hosted on the Chinese Internet platform Scientific Research Publishing. Considering that in 2014 the entire editorial board together with the chief editor quit, Klesov is now alone in all faces.
      Scientific Research Publishing is a publishing house for predatory publishing or deceptive publishing, that is, you pay the editorial board for the publication, it places it and is not interested in what is written in your publication and where you got it.
      Anyone can, for a certain fee, place their "international scientific journal" there and write whatever they like, the main thing is timely payment.
      Scientific Research Publishing is on the list of dubious companies with which serious scientists do not cooperate.
      1. -2
        25 October 2019 14: 16
        The Scientific Research Publishing Internet platform has an electronic version of Advances in Anthropology (as well as about a hundred other American and international scientific journals). The printed version of Advances in Anthropology has its own ISSN print: 2163-9353. Articles in the journal are included in the Hirsch International Citation Index.

        Current Advances in Anthropology Editorial Board:
        Editor-in-chief
        Prof. Anatole Klyosov MIR International Inc, USA
        Editorial Board
        Prof. Robert G. Bednarik International Federation of Rock Art Organizations, Australia
        Dr. Ella Been Faculty of Health Professions, Israel
        Prof. Marija Djuric University of Belgrade, Serbia
        Prof. Ferdinand Hennerbichler University of Sulaimani, Iraq
        Prof. Hui Li Fudan University, China
        Dr. Felix Moos The University of Kansas, USA
        Dr. Zubia Mumtaz University of Alberta, Canada
        Prof. Bruce M. Rothschild Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, USA
        Dr. Anek Ram Sankhyan Anthropological Survey of India (AnSI), India
        Prof. Luca Sineo University of Palermo, Italy
        Dr. Giancarlo Tiziano Tomezzoli European Patent Office, Germany
        1. +5
          25 October 2019 14: 34
          All the comrades you listed resigned in 2014. Or are they back?
          1. -3
            25 October 2019 14: 53
            I copied the list from today's Advances in Anthropology website.
            1. +4
              25 October 2019 16: 32
              It has not been updated since the opening of the site. https://web.archive.org/web/20141018061921/http://scholarlyoa.com/2014/10/02/an-editorial-board-mass-resignation-from-an-open-access-journal/
        2. -1
          28 October 2019 13: 50
          Anatoly Alekseevich Klyosov (born Anatole A. Klyosov; born November 20, 1946, Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad Region, USSR - Soviet and American biochemist, specialist in the field of polymer composite materials, biomedicine, enzymatic catalysis.

          Doctor of chemical sciences, professor, laureate of the Lenin Komsomol Prize (1978) and the USSR State Prize (1984). A foreign member (since January 17, 2014) of the Georgian National Academy of Sciences in the Department of Biological Sciences with a degree in biochemistry.

          He is now known as the author of "DNA Genealogy", which he advocated as a new science that studies the migration of populations and the genetic history of mankind. Due to the incorrectness of the theoretical foundations of DNA genealogy, its methods and conclusions, specialists recognized this concept as pseudoscientific. In particular, historians, anthropologists, ethnologists, linguists and specialists in the field of population genetics opposed DNA genealogy.
          Klesov repeatedly defended various pseudoscientists and folk historians, such as Anatoly Fomenko, Viktor Petrik, Valery Chudinov, Victor Suvorov (Rezun), Gennady Grinevich and others, noting that “official science” is too strict for them and this supposedly hinders scientific progress.
          Klyosov is a supporter of the authenticity of the Veles Book and took a direct part in the preparation of the collection The Examination of the Veles Book
          Klyosov is the editor-in-chief of the journal Advances in Anthropology, which mainly prints marginal figures and little-known scientists from those who adapt to Klyosov. In this journal, Klyosov published a number of articles on DNA genealogy. The Successes of Anthropology journal is published by the Chinese company Scientific Research Publishing, which is included in the list of "predatory" open access publishers, that is, publishers who charge authors and do not properly monitor the scientific quality of published materials. In 2013, most of the editors of the magazine quit due to disagreement with the editorial policy, and Klyosov took over as editor-in-chief.
    2. 0
      25 October 2019 14: 54
      with double if to be completely honest
  26. +7
    25 October 2019 13: 46
    Wait a minute, the author has not yet reached South America.
    And there, ancient Russian civilization also pretty much inherited.
    For example, Peru.
    It is clear that the great Slavs of Perun prayed there.
    Capital: Lima.
    It seems that there is nothing Russian? This is only the first - German - look.
    Pa-Lima. Lima was the "sun of the palim". It was hot there for the Slavs.
    1. +7
      25 October 2019 13: 54
      Worrying for Jerusalim ...
      1. -2
        25 October 2019 16: 37
        Worrying for Jerusalim ...
        No need to worry, I hope he is in good hands. So I think that this ancient city of the Philistines / Pelazgs will still be at least a little bit, and their descendants still have at least 10%, so all together we will hope for the best.
    2. -7
      25 October 2019 16: 22
      there the ancient Russian civilization also pretty much inherited ..
      And also how she inherited: In the oldest treasures found in Russia, both gold and silver were found, and the analysis of impurities showed that gold was from deposits of the current Mexico, but just from Peru. Today, silver mining in Peru gives the country up to 30% of national income. The age of treasures found today is estimated at more than a thousand years. True, according to the studies of linguists among local tribes in the southern part of South America, words of Russian-speaking origin were found. So honestly I agree with the word, inherited, and yes, oh, how did they inherit, moreover, on all continents! By the way, in addition to Peru, there is also Venezuela and Moscow, and the Krivichi tribe settled on the banks of the Hudson, and there are many other interesting things that can be cited.
      1. +1
        25 October 2019 21: 38
        Venaya, read this to you at night, about how they say Armenian in Latin America :)
        https://nashaarmenia.info/2019/06/27/69782/
    3. 0
      27 October 2019 23: 11
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Pa-Lima. Lima was the "sun of the palim". It was hot there for the Slavs.

      Academician Zaliznyak cited such an example as an example of the danger of a simplified search for analogies in different languages. The word alcoholic ALL A WHOLE LIK can be represented Slavic, although this is not so.
      1. +1
        31 October 2019 22: 51
        Quote: gsev
        Academician Zaliznyak cited such an example as an example of the danger of a simplified search for analogies in different languages.
        Zaliznyak said a lot of things ... It does not always make sense to pay attention to general phrases, it is advisable to consider each specific case as carefully as possible, taking into account all possible options.
  27. -4
    25 October 2019 14: 37
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    not quite an article

    This is exactly the article, accompanied by quotes from the correspondence of the Israeli Klein. With their Russian informants (fed by a foreign agent fund) - the exposure of the nonsense and plagiarism of Lev Samuilovich here http://pereformat.ru/2017/04/putanik-klein/
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 15: 44
      This is exactly the article, accompanied by quotes from the correspondence of the Israeli Klein. With their Russian informants (fed by a foreign agent fund)

      Yes, enemies around
      exposure here http://pereformat.ru/2017/04/putanik-klein/

      on Klesov’s website, in an article by Klesov, where he, apart from Klein and Poznik, didn’t have those and all write off each other, but write off most of it from himself.
      plagiarism

      Plagiarism is when someone else is presented as his own, and not when someone else is used.
      And well, I understand that criticism would come only from Klein ... Do others rave too?
  28. 0
    25 October 2019 14: 41
    It's ridiculous! Almost like Solovyov’s Kovtun
  29. +3
    25 October 2019 14: 57
    Revelations of the Zadornov Level
  30. -2
    25 October 2019 15: 45
    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
    Plagiarism is when someone else is presented as his own, and not when someone else is used

    (C) laughing

    And what are you surprised at the increased activity of grant-grant funds - foreign agents: the fact of the attempt to classify the results of the Egyptian pharaoh’s haplogroup commissioned by the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities after the Haplogroup turned out to be Celtic / Erbinian R2017b (the migration route of which 1 was thousands of years ago) is known North Africa) instead of the expected rude E5 like the majority of the population of Egypt.
    1. +2
      25 October 2019 17: 56
      (C) laughing

      Does the copyright icon run counter to my phrase?
      And what are you surprised at the increased activity of grant-giving funds - foreign agents

      All people are people, and I am the queen
      or
      All - g ... but, and I - D'Artagnan.
      This is from the same series.
      Erbinsk

      again Klesov and company ...
      known fact of an attempt to classify in 2017

      she is such a world behind the scenes.
      definitions of the haplogroup of the Egyptian pharaoh commissioned by the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities after the haplogroup turned out to be R1b (the migration route of which went 5 years ago through North Africa) instead of the expected hamitic E1 like the majority of the population of Egypt.

      And whom can it confuse, besides nationalists?

      What is the majority of the population? Modern Egypt? And a one and a half thousand year old mummy? And what should surprise anyone? In addition to Klesov and companies whose fabrications about the continuity of genetics with ethnography, this is also refuted.
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        1. -1
          25 October 2019 19: 30
          Tell where it all happened))) How many burials ... where exactly ... how many remains of a person have been excavated? Who did the research? I live nearby, 10 km from the old Ladoga.
      3. -3
        25 October 2019 21: 09
        Yes they Wander ... they have a "Guru" .....))))) "Honorable Man" ... "Genius not recognized by Science" ... "RusoLub" ..... But in fact - as a Chemist was a CHEMIST ... then something visited (60% generally have schizophrenia to one degree or another) ... and “DNA genealogy” flooded ..... One laugh ... Can you imagine how THIS is widespread in our country .... "fake colonels ... generals ... even veterans .... whoever is not there ..... Here is a funny" this very "Misha Zadornov found. And away we go! And how many followers))) Sick country)))
      4. -3
        25 October 2019 21: 10
        Yes they Wander ... they have a "Guru" .....))))) "Honorable Man" ... "Genius not recognized by Science" ... "RusoLub" ..... But in fact - as a Chemist was a CHEMIST ... then something visited (60% generally have schizophrenia to one degree or another) ... and “DNA genealogy” flooded ..... One laugh ... Can you imagine how THIS is widespread in our country .... "fake colonels ... generals ... even veterans .... whoever is not there ..... Here is a funny" this very "Misha Zadornov found. And away we go! And how many followers))) Sick country)))
  31. +2
    25 October 2019 16: 33
    The case when I wrote something there on Friday, don’t publish, put it off until Monday, you look - and it will resolve.
  32. +6
    25 October 2019 17: 20
    I do not understand one thing - how does this online publication publish such nonsense in general? Schizophrenia is obvious. Publish your visions and prophetic dreams about the past - it’s necessary for the editor who would be led to find IT.
    1. -2
      25 October 2019 18: 00
      how does this online publication even publish such nonsense? Schizophrenia is obvious.
      Look at all these things easier, because nonsense can be written not only by the author of an article, but here on the site there is an opportunity to write nonsense to the reader himself. Well, look: the author has been dealing with this topic for several years and he has the opportunity to write nonsense and a terrible bitter truth, it all depends on his installation. I personally am not inclined to shield any of the authors, but when a complete reader who understands nothing on this issue writes complete nonsense, then in this case, what kind of reaction can follow from my side can be ignored and you can correct a thoroughly incompetent reader. How would you like me to explain to you your personal total incompetence in this matter or how you started to blame your absolute nonsense here. Well, how can you know what happened? There are questions, so ask them, there are no questions - then why do you want the author? On what basis? Maybe because today you are just in a bad mood? At least try to clarify your own position to yourself. Imagine that there are people who are much more versed in this matter. Presented? Now calmly try to ask specific questions about this article, because admit that it will look much more decent, right? Waiting for questions ....
      1. 0
        25 October 2019 19: 24
        Are you not sick? In your right mind? What questions can I have for the author of such schizophrenic opuses? Let the source give .... his dreams? Another similar fantasy? Ancient Russians ... Ancient Ukrainians .... Arrived))))
        Decipher the first sentence - "In the II millennium BC. Slavic-Russian clans and tribes occupied a huge space in Western Europe." ... In all the details ... prophetic dreams ...
        1. 0
          26 October 2019 05: 23
          Quote: 1970mk
          Are you not sick? In your right mind? What questions can I have for the author of such schizophrenic opuses?
          Mikhail, may I ask about your specialty, your education? On what basis do you give a diagnosis here to a person who has been dealing with this issue of the origin of the Rus for many years? You yourself do not think that in terms of the level of competence in these matters, in matters of the origin of the Russian ethnos, you can in no way be equal to a truly specialist in this field. The fact that he writes here many times and has been discussed on many, moreover, for many centuries. Check out the works of his many predecessors, for example, ac. M. Lomonosov and many others. Now, for today, there are already plenty of publications in this area, you just need a desire to view them, which, as far as I understand, you do not have from the word at all. At the same time, you descend to unheard-of arrogance, not being an expert in these matters to make a medical diagnosis ... I don't understand Are you a psychiatrist? Or, most likely, you yourself are somehow related to psychiatry, as a client, which seems most likely in this particular case. Now to your question: "In II millennium BC e. Slavonic Russian clans and tribes occupied a vast area of ​​Western Europe. "- and what do you disagree with here? Do you have any other data about the origin of the Russian ethnos? I suspect that you cannot have any answers to these questions due to the fact that you have simply never been interested in these questions, and the desire to learn hitherto to you I personally do not observe the unknown.Please try to assess your "knowledge" and the ability to perceive new, little known information, please.
          1. -3
            28 October 2019 18: 44
            And why not in 22 thousand BC? Prokopenko always takes further on REN-TV. laughing
            All the answers of modern Russian science about the ethnogenesis of the Slavs will be given to you by the candidate of historical sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences Klim Zhukov in the program of Dmitry Puchkov. The best non-fiction material. Everything for you.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4VOFnCLaw
            1. +2
              28 October 2019 23: 25
              [Quote] All the answers of modern Russian science about the ethnogenesis of the Slavs will be given to you by the candidate of historical sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences Klim Zhukov in the program of Dmitry Puchkov. The best popular science material. Everything for you. [/ Quote] [quote = oleprivalov] I see that you are a very limited person in this area, this is an indisputable fact. The author of this article is not an ordinary person, it is not your level to criticize him, so to speak: "Not according to Senka's hat." At the expense of 22 millennia, this is not a record. I have already written here that the age of ancestors at 64 years was found only by genetics, but you cannot understand this, you swim too shallowly in these areas. And K. Zhukov does not reveal the fullness of the picture of the past, as you said "Slavs" - this is only one of the names of this ancient genus, and clearly not a self-name. And by the way, to which specific genus do you consider yourself? That's interesting ....
  33. -4
    25 October 2019 19: 20
    Quote: Operator
    activity of grant grantors of funds - foreign agents

    What funds?
    1. +2
      25 October 2019 19: 25
      Evolution Foundation, successor to the Dynasty Foundation.
      1. -4
        25 October 2019 22: 19
        This is all one fund and that domestic!
        1. +2
          25 October 2019 22: 27
          Yes, but with the prefix "foreign agent".
  34. -4
    25 October 2019 19: 25
    Quote: Operator
    Evolution Foundation, which replaced the Dynasty Foundation, recognized by the Ministry of Justice of Russia as a foreign agent

    And it's all? Fluid ...
    1. -1
      25 October 2019 19: 36
      Thick - do you now feel sorry for ideologically close ones? laughing
  35. +2
    25 October 2019 19: 27
    Quote: Operator
    and then they had a great bombardment after information about the absence of Scandinavian haplogroup carriers in the graves of Ladoga 9th century A.D.

    Are you a geneticist? Have you personally done this research on genetics? I live 10 km from Staraya Ladoga ..... What kind of burial places, where exactly, in what place and when-who did the research?
    1. -3
      25 October 2019 19: 34
      Everything is on the "Reformat" website, I gave the data in my comments to articles on VO on the subject of Rurik.

      PS Haplogroups of Y chromosomes do not carry genetic information, so the specialists who work with them are called DNA genealogies, not geneticists. I am not one of them.
      1. +2
        25 October 2019 20: 00
        Do you understand Russian? Did you bring something? Bring me, where, when did any of the archaeologists unearth the remains in Ladoga? In which laboratory were they examined ... and in what quantity ...
        There will be no answers, because you compose ridiculously straightforward))))) Only science differs from prophetic dreams in some ways. And History ... and archeology.
        DNA geniologists - this is exclusively the notion of your Kolesov .... Not recognized by anyone. Antinauka!
        Learn who is who and what is what ... Adept of the Kolesov sect))
        http://trv-science.ru/2015/01/13/dnk-demagogiya-kljosova/
  36. -2
    25 October 2019 20: 06
    Quote: 1970mk
    Bring me-where-when who

    The poor have no servants.
    1. -2
      25 October 2019 20: 13
      You are a follower of the unscientific Sectarian - nothing more .... It’s a pity you don’t live in Lysenko’s times .... there would have been wheat planted in the birch on the bunker ..
  37. -4
    25 October 2019 22: 13
    "The Rus always gather their strength, restore their state, the state-empire."
    Yes, they can not gather strength. They are lop-eared. Someone is deceiving them all the time, that's the thing. All the time ... and for some reason they believe everything ... Such a story - deception-faith-faith-deception ... when to restore something ...
  38. -4
    25 October 2019 22: 18
    Quote: Operator
    Thick - do you now feel sorry for ideologically close ones?

    No, you just wrote that there are many funds, but you named only one, and that one is not foreign, but local. And the fact that he is recognized ... you never know who was recognized by whom. "And then we found out about him ...". What foreign funds support this fund? Don't be fooled by the cliched phrases of the journalists. Get at least one grant, work it out ... it will add mind!
  39. -3
    25 October 2019 22: 30
    Quote: venaya
    that is, to explain here to people what the State Department mercenaries are and their modern, slightly changeable manuals. So I look here a lot of serious work!

    Do not overdo it! The State Department has billions in hard currency, and what do you have?
    1. 0
      26 October 2019 01: 03
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: venaya
      that is, to explain here to people what the State Department mercenaries are and their modern, slightly changeable manuals. So I look here a lot of serious work!

      Do not overdo it! The State Department has billions in hard currency, and what do you have?

      Something on Friday a person has for sure, something expanding consciousness to the superethnos of Atlantidids in the depths of time ... Although there is a long preparation here, one cannot explain this on Friday ....
      But, as you know, there are no obstacles to the well-trained patriots of Atlantis:
  40. +1
    26 October 2019 00: 02
    "In the II millennium BC. Slavic-Russian clans and tribes occupied a huge area of ​​Western Europe."
    Wah! - How did it disperse ... And that the West has been cutting each other mostly for centuries, it’s silent about it ...
    The centenary war, the war of the scarlet rose, for the Spanish inheritance, the war of Caesar - all this is as if by ...

    Since the concept "we are sitting in the trench" does not fit ...

    But the New Chronologists went much, much further ... So it would be necessary to study them ...
    1. +1
      26 October 2019 05: 48
      The centenary war, the war of the scarlet rose, for the Spanish inheritance, the war of Caesar - all this is as if by ...
      I understand that in your opinion these events took place: "In the II millennium BC ..." - Did I understand you correctly? Or does it make sense for you to just sleep it off?
      1. 0
        27 October 2019 20: 00
        No. These are already your hints.
        For some reason, the listed wars passed by the "Slavic Russian clans and tribes" ...
  41. 0
    26 October 2019 02: 49
    Fantastic nonsense !!
  42. +1
    26 October 2019 03: 22
    ".... and along the banks of the Hudson, the Krivichi tribe settled, and many more interesting things can also be cited." (c) venaya (Vyacheslav)
    The article and some of the comments are enchanting.
    Just made my day, evening and part of the night!
    1. +1
      26 October 2019 05: 44
      Quote: Wildcat
      Just made my day, evening and part of the night!
      What, he himself is apparently a tough specialist on the tribes of the "Indians" of North America and their self-names? Or just went out to poop?
      1. 0
        26 October 2019 10: 58
        belay What a wide range of interests: from krivichi to bowel movements ... You would not ask me questions, but to someone who can appreciate you and your thoughts. Any intellectual, doctor, for example, will do.
        You tell the doctor directly, you can start with a quote: "In the oldest found treasures in Russia, both gold and silver were found, and the analysis of impurities showed that gold is from the deposits of present-day Mexico, but just from Peru." Like, there are super-ideas, I have been researching them for a long time, not everyone understands me (superethnos, Atlantis - to explain in detail!). But everything was fine until 26.10.19/5.44/XNUMX at XNUMX a.m. Moscow time, sorry, I started to wonder how unfamiliar men poop ...
        They will definitely help you!
        1. 0
          26 October 2019 11: 14
          What a wide range of interests:
          Yes, download as much as you like, just ask you to do it in specially designated places for these purposes and not anywhere. But the fact that you didn’t just start pooping on the site and throwing your smelly poop in relation to the authors and commentators as well is no good at all. I understand you: it’s hard, very hard for you to hide your own hatred of the Russian people and especially the past of this people and their ancient ancestors. So: Your real narrow-mindedness of interests, limited only by hatred of everything Russian, is nothing but one of the forms of manifestation of clearly Nazi aspirations expressed in the insanity of the whole past specifically of the Russian people. So you can be identified as a true cuckold, there are synonyms for this word of the same concept, but I don’t know if another terminology will work on this site, maybe it’s forbidden here, for now we’ll do just that. Nevertheless, I again recommend that you poop not on this site, but in places specially designated for these purposes. While the cough-in is ....
          1. +1
            26 October 2019 11: 27
            You would hurry up, yesterday it was "but just from Peru", and today there are no more feces in one post .... the situation is getting worse!
            1. 0
              26 October 2019 11: 37
              yesterday it was "but just from Peru"
              Let me remind you that there was a highly developed civilization in Peru, naturally, some trade ties with them could have been made by the inhabitants of our continent. So, in the treasures that were found more than 1000 years old, silver items were found, according to the analysis of this silver, it was found out that they just have origin from the mines Peru, today it is no longer a complicated procedure for such a definition. Here is the question: For what purpose was it necessary to crap around like that to deny such obvious facts? If you don’t really like the term "wrap-around", then type a more precise term of the same meaning, that is, its synonym, and I will see if it passes on this site or not. And in general, I do not understand why the site stinks so much that other places cannot be found?
              1. +3
                26 October 2019 12: 33
                It is good that you understand that your fecal images are disgusting and are trying to find a replacement for them. It’s just great that you understand that this forum is not a place for yours, hmm, let's call them fantasies. Perhaps you should find interlocutors in the relevant forums that match your thoughts?
                It’s bad that you still haven’t turned to a specialist, a lot of time has passed since 05.44. More and more errors appear in your texts, words and phrases become incomprehensible. The second time I ask you to turn not to me, but to a specialist in your fantasies. It is possible that your fantasies are already considered the norm and you do not need to share your morning interests at a military forum. Although if you like what they write about you, then you are in the right place at the right time.
                1. -1
                  26 October 2019 13: 09
                  you don’t have to on a military forum ..
                  And what are you doing here at the military forum, you earn money as a foreign agent, like Maria Butina (Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1572079920), who spent a year and a half in an American prison for this. Okay, if you crap only on me, but here you decided to crap on the popular author of not only this site, he is reprinted on other sites. So there is no need for your "la-la" here, it is advisable to transfer you to the category of foreign agents crap on the military-patriotic site. Consider this before writing such nonsense and peeing here with urine at the same time.
                  1. +2
                    26 October 2019 14: 25
                    Could you exclude me from your fantasies, or at least not write about it? The role of a foreign agent who "crap" on you: "Well, if only you crap on me", but also can "pee here with urine at the same time" is completely unsuitable and unnecessary for me. It's unpleasant. Check out some other forum that suits your fantasies with foreigners, feces and urine.
                    For the third time I ask you not to contact me, but, finally, to contact a specialist: your fantasies become more and more complicated hour by hour (there wasn’t urine in the morning, but now, alas, there are). The working day in medical institutions is coming to an end; at night, a specialized specialist, if you are not dangerous, is unlikely to work with you.
                    I admit in your posts "high level trolling", when you, being an adequate person, try on this strange role. But, firstly, this joke was somewhat delayed. Secondly, for true patriots, your image and neighborhood are unpleasant (jokes are jokes, but the smell from your jokes is a toilet). Third, if you like this role, it can be a problem.
                    1. +1
                      26 October 2019 14: 59
                      firstly, this joke was somewhat delayed.
                      In my opinion, did you need to shit on my post or otherwise? How should I understand the term "joke"? What kind of joke are you talking about here if I wrote about documentary evidence of the economic ties of ancient Russia with other continents and cultures? You are at least able to write something sober, or you are still not able to get drunk in any way. Stop confusing people and specify what specific "joke" did you give out on the site here? I look forward to hearing from you!
                      1. 0
                        26 October 2019 16: 04
                        Well, since I'm looking forward to it, I'll explain how to understand the term "joke" for you (especially since it's already evening and you won't have time to see a specialist).
                        You see, I suppose that from 5 in the morning only a very sophisticated humorist can promote and promote the topic of "crap and write, but since" if I wrote about documentary confirmationsй economic connectionё дmore jealous of Russia with other continents and cultures "(I'm pointing out your mistakes in just one phrase), then you are not a sophisticated humorist. You are what you are, venaya.
                        Of course, there is a chance that you are trying to play a joke on all patriots with your role, but this chance is small.
                        As for "writing sober" and "getting drunk somehow" - here you may be on the right track. Today is Saturday, go somewhere, you can't spend a lot of time talking with a computer. Talk to real people, listen to them; or talk to the bartender - they get money for it.
                        Try to be as happy today as you can, here is a Saturday photo for you!
                      2. +1
                        26 October 2019 16: 15
                        documentary evidence of the economic ties of ancient Russia with other continents and cultures
                        And can I once again be curious how I, as you write, addressing me: "you are trying to play a joke on all patriots with your role"- and what specifically non-patriotic do you find in the economic ties of ancient Russian merchants (apparently Novgorod) with industrialists from another continent? This kind of my non-patriotism is very surprising to me, I'm just all in confusion. Where am I wrong, please tell me?
                      3. +2
                        26 October 2019 16: 20
                        Would it be impolite to answer tomorrow night? Saturday, little time.
                      4. +2
                        26 October 2019 16: 48
                        Please, as much as you like, I'm not in a hurry. By the way, try to consult with experts on what the difference is between a dry theory and experimental confirmation or its refutation. Perhaps this topic is not yet familiar to you.
                      5. +2
                        28 October 2019 18: 12
                        You see, you have an image of a patriot with original ideas, for example:
                        Krivichi on the Hudson;
                        Treasures with Peruvian silver and Mexican gold (more than 1000 years, in the territory of Ancient Russia);
                        In ancient Hellas and Palestine, people spoke Russian more often;
                        The grandchildren of the Russian (Slavic) deity: "Dajd-God" today call themselves "Tajiks"; - and that's not all, so free selection from your posts. The image would be less unpleasant (you never know who has any ideas), if not for a big BUT. This BUT looks like this: firstly, you do not bother yourself when expressing, to put it mildly, controversial ideas and refuting generally accepted facts by referring to any evidence. Second, you begin to accuse those who disagree with your position of dislike of your country, demand lists of foreign agents, and so on. Thirdly, your fecal-urinal fantasies, from which at least in communication with me you got rid of, cause understandable disgust. Therefore, any assignment of the image "venaya (Vyacheslav)" to patriots causes an understandable reaction from patriots.
                        I would like to make a brief summary of our communication with you: you would be a rather curious interlocutor if you had not been so aggressive and avoided words and expressions that were not accepted in communication.
                        I will not ask you to read what others write about you and your posts (especially since you, I hope, read it), and I am not a supporter of medical diagnoses without the participation of a specialist. But I ask you to pay attention to the fact that your original super ideas, such as: “I once asked why they know the current situation so well and, perfectly aware of all the nonsense that rushes from all cracks, will not come up with their authoritative initiative. The answer was simple: all of you should do this, even the most authoritative specialists cannot roll this heavy stone ", as well as a certain inaccuracy in communication (all this together) cause concern even among people who do not personally know you. Please contact a specialist.
                      6. +1
                        28 October 2019 23: 51
                        you have the image of a patriot with original ideas ..
                        Thank you for reading my posts, it's a pity that only on this article. For the first time, when I saw a similar diarrhea addressed to this author, known to me and from other patriotic publications, at first it was also difficult for me to explain to people the essence of his articles, and I brought in numerous links, by the way, not only me, but many specialists in this field. At first, the audience was balde, but when the originals of the documents were provided, not only in simple textbooks, all the doubters accepted not my position at all, but the position of irrefutable facts. Further: You have been on the site for a year, and not only many people know me well, but also the administration of the site, who sometimes tried to get into an argument with me. Only now there are a lot of people on the site, there are also super specialists in every area, sometimes even with a worldwide reputation (I am familiar with someone). But my long absence from the site led to the fact that specialists in information warfare (have you heard of this?), Possessing a huge resource, and financial too, managed to make a semi-liberal rotten swamp out of the site. And the old people, for example, all the "marshals" already know me and are not inclined to accuse me of the absence of an evidence base for each of the points listed by you. Didn't you notice this? So at this hour, if you have any doubt about the provisions I have presented, then please, I can throw off the links at least in a "personal", because it looks like this topic does not bother you and you yourself are too lazy to understand it, because this is the work of specialists in narrow areas and not only "History". Ask specific questions about each element of your doubts, so it will be easier for me to answer.
  43. 0
    26 October 2019 11: 42
    I have a question - whom did A.K. Tolstoy mean by the word "you":

    "Bursting to shreds that,
    We paid the debt to the Germans
    And now they came to slap
    You shaved by the Humens! "

    Klein, gelfandov, warrior-wow, tlaukolov and ets? bully
  44. +2
    26 October 2019 15: 03
    Fierce crap, pseudoscientific fabrications and neopagan nonsense.
    1. -3
      26 October 2019 15: 36
      pseudo-scientific fabrications and neopagan nonsense
      You can be curious: where did you specifically find the "neo-pagan nonsense", like about religion, this article does not say a word. Or maybe either of us didn't read this article carefully enough?
      1. -2
        26 October 2019 16: 22
        “For example, the Slavic deity Yarovita was recorded as“ Gerovita. ”Thus, it turns out“ yar-people ”, or“ people ”who called themselves“ yars, yariy-aryans ”.
        Need more?
        1. -1
          26 October 2019 16: 44
          Slavic deity Yarovit was recorded as "Gerovita"
          And what about the grandchildren of the Russian (Slavic) deity: "Dazhd-God" for today call themselves "Tajiks"! So what? Do you want to describe the entire root Russian language together with all its dialects? As of today, as I understand it, you cannot even imagine how many words in Russian and its dialects (even Latin, at least in any other) are derived from the ancient Gods. To listen to you, it is definitely necessary to urgently translate the entire population into either German or Finnish, because before they all spoke only Russian there. But bad luck, all the most ancient sacred books are written in Russian dialects, so in order to be able to introduce a new religion it was necessary to replace the native Russian language (with clearly divine terms) everywhere with recently created ones, that is, with German, Finnish and Latin dialects. Do you know this information at all? You can now understand why the Russian language was banned throughout "Europe" and replaced with newly formed ones. So what you are writing here is just an example of inciting linguistic hatred, unfortunately for this they have not yet been imprisoned. I really hope that you understand at least something from what I have written.
          1. -1
            26 October 2019 17: 25
            Have you taken this nonsense from Alekseev and Zadornov? Especially about the Tajiks pleased. Did you tell them about this? they will be happy.
            No written or other reliable sources from pre-Christian times have been preserved, and glory to Jesus Christ! There are near-scientific linguistic studies on the relatedness of European languages, relatedness with Sanskrit. But this only confirms the Babylonian division of languages.
            “There was one language and one dialect on the whole earth” (Genesis 11, 1) That is, all European and Asian languages ​​have one root. Theoretically, many linguists recognize such a “linguistic tree”, but the practical study of “linguistic branching” causes a lot of controversy.
            And about
            Quote: venaya
            Listen to you, so surely you urgently need to translate the entire population into either German or Finnish, because earlier they all spoke only Russian there. But bad luck, all the oldest sacred books are written in Russian dialects, so in order to be able to introduce a new religion, it was necessary to replace everywhere the native Russian language (with clearly divine terms) with the newly created ones, that is, German, Finnish and dialects of Latin

            This is the essence of your fantasies. But for a neo-pagan it is normal to replace facts with fiction, and in the absence of arguments go to the individual and the rule "he is like that." I have a lot of experience communicating with such an audience. good
            1. -1
              26 October 2019 17: 46
              Quote: AleBors
              I have a lot of experience communicating with such an audience.

              Thanks for the warning, it only makes me happy. So:
              “There was one language and one dialect throughout the whole earth” (Genesis 11, 1)
              - In my opinion a religious saying, no? As I now understand you that you are a religious fanatic, without sayings from the Abrahamic religions, it is not possible to conduct a dialogue with you, or what? Hence, any scientific research you have acquired a near-religious connotation. And I was surprised at first where the term came from: "neo-pagan nonsense." That is, the work of ak. A.S. Shishkova, President You will also consider AN RI solely for religious reasons. Did I understand you correctly. Can we immediately switch to Hebrew so as not to get confused? Are you going to show me arguments from the Bible too? In general, a very interesting and meaningful conversation on religious topics, I even like it. Finally I understood - I contacted a religious fanatic. Thank you for such a detailed explanation.
              1. -1
                26 October 2019 18: 12
                Your ridiculous attempts to insult seem ridiculous. I am an Orthodox Christian, just take note of this and humble yourself. AN RI, what kind of organization? I read Shishkov, his "Korneslov" is an interesting little thing. But unscientific, alas .. And by the way, And where does Hebrew? You, like most neo-pagans, will now begin to braid about the Jewish origin of Christianity? And nothing that the Jews rejected and then killed Christ? And the fact that the Jews themselves, I'm talking about orthodox Jews, also do not recognize the Jewish origin of Christianity. I hope you know that from the very inception of Christianity, the Jews have become bitter opponents and persecutors of it.
                In general, the Talmud instills a sharply negative, contemptuous attitude towards all non-Jews, including Christians. The book of late halachic decrees "Shulchan-Aruch" prescribes, if possible, to destroy the churches of Christians and everything belonging to them (Shulchan-Aruch. Iore de'a 146); it is also forbidden to save a Christian from death, for example, if he falls into the water and begins to promise even his entire fortune for salvation (Iore de'a 158, 1); allowed to test on a Christian, brings medicine to health or death; and, finally, a Jew is charged with the obligation to kill a Jew who converted to Christianity (Iore de'a 158, 1; Talmud. Aboda Zara 26).
                The Talmud also contains many offensive, blasphemous statements about the Lord Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
                About the language. I recommend reading "The Slavs and Aryas the Way of the Gods and Words" by Natalia Guseva. Well, for general development. By the way, this work fits well into the biblical story of the primitive language, at the same time, study, at least at the level of elementary school, the Church Slavonic language. You will learn a lot of new things.
                And what do you have against the Bible? A lot of what is said in It has already been scientifically confirmed.
                I did not find in the words of your arguments in favor of your arguments .. request Celebrity, and attempts to foul.
                It is sad.
                1. -1
                  26 October 2019 18: 40
                  Jews rejected, and then killed Christ? And the fact that the Jews themselves, I’m talking about Orthodox Jews, do not recognize the Jewish origin of Christianity either.
                  And I do not recognize the Jewish origin of the Torah, Talmud, Shulchan Aruch, New Testament, Koran and even Buddhist sources. I have an attitude towards religions as to the servants of someone's economic interests, nothing more. In any book, if you try, you can find what will later be "already scientifically confirmed"- this is not an argument. As for the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Empire, this is the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Empire, whose president for some time was A.S. Shishkov, thanks at least for reading it. Although it's a pity that you didn't develop this topic in the end, today, many researchers use his developments significantly expanding this knowledge literally now.The topic is complex, in the 1830s the French Academy of Sciences banned research in this area at all, apparently this prohibition still applies - hence your statement that this book is not scientific. That is, it turns out that the President of the Academy of Sciences publishes not a scientific book ... Interestingly, however, so here, in this article, Samsonov also uses data from this "forbidden science", apparently from here such a terrible reaction to this article from all possible sides, literally persecution, no less. Let me remind you that Shishkov was not the first to write "Korneslov", there are many of them. Are they all prohibited? I heard this as a child, when my polyglot teacher explained the principles of building all languages in and that they are all built on the basis of Russian. This knowledge was used in closed science. divisions, even the GRU, where I got them from. Try to read the inscriptions on Middle Eastern antiquities (mosaics) based on knowledge of ancient Russian or ordinary Russian language, I have been following this for a long time, very informative. Cleans the brains at once!
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                    26 October 2019 19: 20
                    Quote: venaya
                    Are they all banned? I heard this in childhood, when my teacher polyglot explained the principles of building all languages ​​and that they are all based on Russian. This knowledge was used in closed science. units, even the GRU, where I come from.

                    About the GRU is strong. Didn't know that intelligence was engaged in linguistics. Do you speak Farsi, Pashto and Arabic? I wonder how you read the ligature "based on the knowledge of ancient Russian or ordinary Russian language." At the same time, enlighten, what do you mean by the name "ancient Russian language"? Where did he come from? Did you also hear it in childhood? The neo-Yazikian "sealed sources" amuses. That is, we know, but we will not show? So that no one laughs? And then, about the French Academy of Sciences in 1830. There was a struggle against "frantic literature". It was declared the product of the revolutions of 1789 and 1830, it recognized the denial of all existing laws of art and the appeal to a terrible and disgusting reality.
                    And then linguistics?
                    Would you like to introduce you to one of the authors of the "Veles book" and other crap? In the late 70s, a group of poor students of the philosophy faculty of Moscow State University made good money on this.
                    Further ... We became Russian only with the adoption of Christianity. Prior to this, there were scattered Slavic tribes glade, Drevlyans, Vyatichi, Radimichi and others ... Only having received a transpersonal, pre-natal community did our ancestors create a great country with a great history.
                    The fact that you do not recognize the most common religions can only speak of ignorance and stubborn pride. And this is sad.
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                      26 October 2019 19: 51
                      I didn’t know that intelligence is engaged in linguistics
                      I'm bastard, well, honestly the word! And what should intelligence do? Can count the number of curses in a neighboring village, or is it more likely to work in foreign-speaking countries? There were developments that were unacceptable for publication, but the guys' tongue itches, it's not prof. scouts and simple linguists no more. That's why I knew something. And about the Middle East, Jordan, Palestine (Israel) - there are a dime a dozen Russian-language inscriptions there, Russian tribes ended up there that way 5 years ago at least and built a lot of things there. Yes, and in ancient Hellas and Palestine, people spoke more often in Russian, until they banned, from there there are a lot of inscriptions, look Israeli Tamara Savchenko on YouTube, she studied Hebrew at first, found a lot of purely Russian roots in their words, and then, already a year ago, in general, I began to directly read mosaics with Russian writing a little older than the "Cyrillic" of Cyril himself, he then poked around with the alphabet, confusing Russian words with his foolishness. In the 500th room. Lunacharsky threw out some of his additions, the writing became closer to the pre-Kirillovskaya. Somewhere it happens. And I personally liked the concept of "POL-LATAN" - a patched (covered) floor, well, this Russian concept has entered into all languages, well, etc. There is a lot of information about all these Arabic scripts and even Hebrew, but not now. In general, there are also based on the forms of ancient Russian writing, pelazgs, etc., in general, it turns out very long. And about the "Veles Book" - it is also interesting, much to agree with the latest research in this area with various scientific, so that in any book you can find scientific confirmation.
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                        27 October 2019 08: 50
                        Well, just fantastic! Where does the information come from? From the ceiling or from a finger? Give sources of this. Or are they secret? laughing
                        That's all. I see no reason in continuing the dialogue. Stay captive of your fantasies and ridiculous rumors. Someday the Truth will reach you.
                        I wish you hello!
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    26 October 2019 19: 17
    God, what a haze. I couldn’t even read
  46. -2
    26 October 2019 20: 02
    From my youth I love fantasy, but Samsonova is far from Tolkien.
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      26 October 2019 20: 11
      Quote: RUSS
      I love fantasy since my youth
      Any problems with reading comprehension? Can any help or is it just a reaction to the name "Samsonov"?
  47. +3
    27 October 2019 13: 31
    Quote: AleBors
    I am Orthodox Christian

    It doesn’t excuse you from ignorance of the history of the ancestors of the Slavs, who make up the vast majority of Orthodox Christians (with the exception of the only case - your non-Slavic origin).

    But we remember our blood relatives both in the West (which are discussed in the article) and in the East: Moses, Siddhartha Gautama, John the Baptist and Muhammad, as well as the Jewish tribe of Levi, hundreds of millions of Indians, tens of millions of Asia Minors, Iranians, Pashtuns , Tajiks and other residents of Asia - carriers of our haplogroup R1a.

    PS To understand the relevance of this information, the Saudi royal family refers to the R1a carriers (who came to Arabia 3,5 thousands of years ago from the Black Sea), as well as 12% of Saudis and 25% of residents of Kuwait, Qatar and the OAU.
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  48. 0
    28 October 2019 13: 35
    No, well, not REN-TV here, in the end! Well, it’s also not good to stupid people, really. A serious, like, resource, well, patriotic propaganda, everything is clear, but these schizophantias, folk histories, well, too much, right! Leave Prokopenko’s bread.
    Intelligence: Dmitry Puchkov and military historian Klim Zhukov about the origin of the Slavs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4VOFnCLaw
  49. -1
    28 October 2019 19: 41
    Call the orderlies ....
  50. 0
    28 October 2019 21: 30
    Creepy nonsense. And on the other hand, this is probably a parody of someone ... Then a magnificent, full of irony article.
  51. -2
    29 October 2019 13: 24
    For the information of the “cut” commentators of Alexander Samsonov’s article:
    - VO sections are well aware of my critical attitude to the historical analysis contained in the articles of the author in question (for example, the transfer of the term “Rus” to all Slavs, as well as Scythians, Sarmatians, Black Sea Aryans, etc.);
    - the illustrations given by the author (a picture of my namesake at the beginning of the article, a fantasy picture in the comments) are just artistic, not historical artifacts and are not worth the flow of sarcasm (especially since Konstantin Vasiliev died in 1976, when no one in the USSR had heard of the possibility of genetic analysis to establish kinship in the male line for an arbitrarily long period - with the preservation of DNA, of course).

    Alexander Samsonov's article is correct in the main thing - the only indigenous inhabitants of central and eastern Europe since the end of the last ice age were the ancestors of the Slavs - the Aryans, no matter how much this may upset Russophobic historians of other ethnic origins.

    As for the only objective tool for establishing consanguinity in the male line by determining the haplogroup (information tag) of the Y chromosome in DNA, this method is now widely used in criminal and civil law to establish the identity of the accused or a possible relative. The scientific community has long ago recognized the temporal rate of accumulation of mutations per generation of people, which makes it possible to determine with a high degree of reliability the lifespan of people from their bone remains to a depth of 45 thousand years (the latest achievement).

    Klesov’s theory just says that before our era, people mainly lived in clans and tribes with a single basic ancestor (exceptions to this rule are Jews, Greeks, Asia Minor, etc.), so it is possible to determine migration routes and permanent place of residence for most major modern ethnic groups in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, Australia and Oceania.

    In the presence of such an objective tool, literally hardwired from birth into every man on Earth, plus radiocarbon analysis of material artifacts, all other tools (cultural studies, linguistics, bibliography) become secondary and the “stories” previously developed on their basis must be brought into compliance with genetic and radiocarbon analysis data.

    Without such correction, the ritual antics and leaps of local historians - disprovers of objective reality - become pseudoscience in its purest form.
  52. 0
    30 October 2019 04: 16
    Well... I'm a patriot, but that Russia is the birthplace of elephants. Gumilyov’s author should be read. About the migration of peoples.
  53. 0
    31 October 2019 20: 09
    The article seems to be nonsense, but there are always a lot of comments, maybe that’s why such works continue to appear on VO? There is an opinion that you shouldn’t feed a troll, because the reaction is his food.
  54. 0
    5 November 2019 05: 43
    Fantasy style article. But the author is right about one thing. Slavs are the original inhabitants of Europe.
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      8 November 2019 20: 05
      Quote: Nick
      Fantasy style article..
      I don’t fully understand you here: Don’t like the style of presentation of the material or do you have any comments on the essence of the article or the materials presented?
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        9 November 2019 01: 18
        Quote: venaya
        I don’t fully understand you here: I don’t like the style of presentation of the material or have any comments on the essence of the article

        I explain that I have no doubt that the Slavs inhabited the territory of Europe, but the fact that all the Slavs were Russian is already too much. An illogicality, of a sort. I have no doubt that Russians are part of the Slavs, but the fact that all Slavs living in Europe are Russian, or as the author calls them “Slavic-Russian,” is a no-brainer. In the language of the author of the article, “Slavic-non-Russian” peoples also live in Europe.
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          9 November 2019 02: 12
          .. the Slavs inhabited the territory of Europe, I have no doubt, but the fact that all the Slavs were Russian is already too much ..
          I’m afraid that many very authoritative persons who are not very weak in knowledge on this issue would disagree with you. First of all, this is His Imperial Majesty Tsar-Emperor Nicholas I. Next, the President of the Imperial Academy of Sciences, Alexander Semyonovich Shishkov, who, by order of his emperor, wrote a scientific work called “Root Words” - proving with his scientific work that all languages ​​originated from Russian. And of course, then their faithful servant, the most outstanding and simply phenomenal polyglot of the Russian Empire - Yegor Klassen, who actually invented this, perhaps from my point of view not very accurate term “Slavic-Russians”! So the author of the article, Alexander Samsonov, has nothing to do with this at all, so to speak, almost “out of business.” Actually, I don’t agree with you that “the fact that all the Slavs were Russian is already too much". From my point of view, the term "Slavs" is not actually Russian-language, it is quite young, and even here on the site they explain to me what comes from the Russian-language term "Slovenes". Let us remember that the ET-Russians called themselves just Slovenes, and not at all not Slavs. Even today there is no such state as “Slovenia”, but there is Slovakia and Slovenia, and the Russian Federation (in the sense of Russia or Rus'), as well as P-Russia and Bo-Russia, and G-Russia, Little Rus' ( Little Russia) White-Rus, there was Chervona Rus, Yellow-Russia, Russian Sea (there are even two of them) and in general many many different Rus and Ros, and even remember Roshen. I myself am still trying to prove that the term “Slavs” can come from Latin ( that is, from a foreign language), specifically from the Latin word "sclaveni" which = "slaves" in Latin. So try to transfer this particular claim of yours regarding the fact that "the Slavs are not Russians and not Russes (Rus)" from Samsonov to his distant predecessors , emperors, academicians and many many research scientists on this particular issue, I meet too many of them on my life’s path. I myself think that you are seriously mistaken on this issue; this is my opinion, which agrees with the opinions of many specialists on this specific issue.
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            10 November 2019 08: 55
            Quote: venaya
            I’m afraid that many very authoritative persons who are not very weak in knowledge on this issue would disagree with you. First of all, this is His Imperial Majesty Tsar-Emperor Nicholas I. Next, the President of the Imperial Academy of Sciences, Alexander Semyonovich Shishkov, who, by order of his emperor, wrote a scientific work called “Root Words” - proving with his scientific work that all languages ​​originated from Russian. And of course, then their faithful servant, the most outstanding and simply phenomenal polyglot of the Russian Empire - Yegor Klassen, who actually invented this, perhaps from my point of view not very accurate term “Slavic-Russians”

            “You shall not make for yourself an idol” (Exodus 20:4)
            There is no convincing evidence or facts to support this theory, only assumptions, conjectures, and hypotheses. No matter what authority expresses them.
  55. +1
    20 November 2019 01: 46
    The worst thing is when truth is mixed with fiction. Like on Ren TV. That is why the truth, of which there is a lot in the article, seems to many to be fiction. Berlin actually stands on the site of ancient Slavic settlements, and the southern coast of the Baltic was inhabited by Slavs. It was a very long time ago, many thousands of years ago.
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      21 November 2019 09: 26
      Quote: Alisa Selezneva 22
      The worst thing is when truth is mixed with fiction.

      So you tell me where the truth is about you and where it is fiction. As for many thousands of years" - how many, 5-7 thousand years or more? And when the mass replacement of the ethnic group occurred, naturally, in your opinion, I myself suspect that it was the end of the XNUMXth century, not earlier.
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